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Speaker 1: Woof? And Dan and Tie welcome back to the solid

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Speaker 2: I want to know where the juice is. That's what

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Speaker 1: But I'm still I'm a Penn State fan now, much

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Speaker 2: Being said that the independence thing for Penn State isn't

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Speaker 2: like Don Draper, I don't think about you at all

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Speaker 1: I just I don't care about the Michigan State robery,

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Speaker 1: if you're talking record books, if you're talking about old stuff,

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Speaker 1: you're a loser, right because you are read last year

433
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 1: twenty four, twenty two. Yeah, who lost. Auburn lost, but

434
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:37,680
Speaker 1: they could have won today late May and their quarterback

435
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:42,680
Speaker 1: got hurt the Iron Bowl. Interpersonally, it's always.

436
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,480
Speaker 2: Going to be meaningful because it's interstate, right, They're always

437
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,600
Speaker 2: going to have house divided stuff. It's always a meaningful game.

438
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 2: I under I'm giving it the appropriate juice. The only

439
00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 2: thing I am saying now is in terms of matchup,

440
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Speaker 2: in terms of storyline, in terms of narrative, is it

441
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:04,280
Speaker 2: even top three for Alabama? Because of what has happened

442
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,679
Speaker 2: between Nick Saban and Jimbo Fisher, and because of getting

443
00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:12,639
Speaker 2: the SEC Championship and National Championship games against Georgia that

444
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:16,760
Speaker 2: right now. Yes, there's always the pageantry, Yes it's a historic,

445
00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 2: Yes it's everything the Iron Bowl, But in this moment,

446
00:23:22,440 --> 00:23:27,119
Speaker 2: present broth coming to a simmer. I think it's warm,

447
00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:30,399
Speaker 2: But I think Auburn with its off field and the

448
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:34,040
Speaker 2: will he won't he be let go Harson boosters not boosters,

449
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 2: and like the Iron Bowl doesn't feel like like how

450
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,040
Speaker 2: many more Bama games are being talked about right now?

451
00:23:42,080 --> 00:23:45,199
Speaker 2: The Texas game is being more talked about. The A

452
00:23:45,320 --> 00:23:48,080
Speaker 2: and M game, which will be on primetime on Network TV,

453
00:23:48,359 --> 00:23:52,440
Speaker 2: is more talked about. And what Georgia is a defending

454
00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:55,720
Speaker 2: national champion and a potential meeting once again in the SEC.

455
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Speaker 2: I think it's a more discussed situation as Georgia caught

456
00:24:00,800 --> 00:24:03,720
Speaker 2: up to Alabama. Is Georgia one A one B without

457
00:24:03,760 --> 00:24:09,200
Speaker 2: like Auburn right now? I just think you're looking, you're

458
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 2: leaning on historic rather than living in the moment, because

459
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 2: right now, where's the juice? Okay, Zach Calzat or whoever.

460
00:24:18,000 --> 00:24:20,879
Speaker 1: Against Bama? I don't if Bama is it. If Bama

461
00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: loses Auburn last year, there they're not in the playoff,

462
00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 1: they have two losses, they're not they're not in the playoff.

463
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Speaker 1: And what makes this an interesting matchup is because Auburn

464
00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 1: clearly is not in a spot with its program where

465
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Speaker 1: it's on the same level as Alabama, but nobody is.

466
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:42,080
Speaker 1: Maybe outside Georgia and Ohio State, nobody's there. Auburn is

467
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Speaker 1: in a unique spot because it's always the last game.

468
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Speaker 1: It's well like Michigan Ohio State, and they could always

469
00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 1: play spoiler in some regard. Now, Alabama tends to put

470
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Speaker 1: itself in a position with its previous eleven games where

471
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Speaker 1: what happens in the Iron Bowl could be a speed

472
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Speaker 1: bump but ultimately may not derail themst year. That wouldn't

473
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Speaker 1: have been the case last year. If they lose to Auburn.

474
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Speaker 1: Maybe we're talking about Notre Dame in the playoff. I

475
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,920
Speaker 1: don't know, so it's I think it's just a really

476
00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 1: interesting spot. There's a lot of recent history here to

477
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:14,480
Speaker 1: suggest that this is a close game, even when it

478
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,199
Speaker 1: defies logic to think that it should be. And I

479
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: love the matchup. I love a big SEC matchup on

480
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Speaker 1: the last week of the season that could potentially throw

481
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Speaker 1: everything into a meat rider. No pun intend.

482
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Speaker 2: You're living in a hypothetical world though right now you

483
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Speaker 2: just use the word if four times in that description.

484
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Speaker 2: That's fine. If you had wheels, you'd be a bicycle.

485
00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:39,919
Speaker 2: But we're living in the moment. We're living in the

486
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Speaker 2: I love.

487
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Speaker 1: This matchup made juice.

488
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Speaker 2: It's okay to love the matchup. I'm talking about the

489
00:25:45,520 --> 00:25:48,199
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two juice specific to it.

490
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Speaker 1: There's a ton of juice. There's a ton of there's

491
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 1: a ton of juice to the Iron Bowl right now.

492
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Speaker 1: Because if Brian Harrison loses this game in embarrassing fashion,

493
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,959
Speaker 1: if he is not close this year, and if Auburn

494
00:26:03,080 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 1: goes seven to five, which is entirely possible, again, we

495
00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 1: are having this conversation about him getting fired. They will

496
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: find ways to make him get fired. I guess. So

497
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 1: there will be a conversation to be had about Brian

498
00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 1: Harrison with this game, and that will make him more interesting.

499
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 2: Mark my words, you think about do we talk about

500
00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 2: Auburn a lot on this show?

501
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 1: And like the oh Man, what's their linebacking cork look like?

502
00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: Not really? All right? Florida Georgia and Old Miss Mississippi

503
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 1: State were the two other rivalries that I pulled from

504
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: the SEC, which one of these two given current circumstances,

505
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:40,840
Speaker 1: if you want to be a prisoner of the moment

506
00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,920
Speaker 1: as you tend to be. Yeah, no, I'm specifically doing

507
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 1: this show in may to be a prisoner of the moment,

508
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: where it's a check in on the moment in these rivalries,

509
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Speaker 1: Florida Georgia Old Misssissippi State, give me, give me the

510
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:56,639
Speaker 1: juice reading on both those.

511
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Speaker 2: Because of the unknown, which actually does provide its own

512
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 2: kind of juice, the hypothetical, the upside, the potential juice

513
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 2: of Florida Georgia. I'm going to say on the field,

514
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 2: I'm more interested in this game in twenty twenty two

515
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 2: because I have a I've seen what the egg Bowl

516
00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 2: has looked like these past couple of years, and I

517
00:27:24,880 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 2: was disappointed with my hopes, my own personal hopes for

518
00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:34,640
Speaker 2: Mississippi State in terms of inter you know, fan animus,

519
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:37,400
Speaker 2: it's always meg bol It's I mean, Florida george is great,

520
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 2: but it's neutral site, NFL Stadium. There's nothing like a

521
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 2: campus rivalry game. Yeah, I've been to the I've been

522
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 2: to the uh the cocktail party.

523
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:52,040
Speaker 1: It's terrific. But on field, Florida Georgia totality Egg Bowl.

524
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Speaker 1: I think that's the right answer. I think that's the

525
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,240
Speaker 1: right answer, and it's what makes it difficult, I think

526
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Speaker 1: to fully grade this out is Florida Georgia almost always

527
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: has more on the line. Yeah, in terms of the

528
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: game and what it means and how it could affect things.

529
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:11,439
Speaker 1: They played this game in October, how it could affect

530
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: things moving forward, and how it could affect just that

531
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Speaker 1: side of the SEC. It's got far more consequence attached

532
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 1: to it than the Egg Bowl, because neither ole Miss

533
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,119
Speaker 1: nor Mississippi State, despite the fact that both programs have

534
00:28:24,200 --> 00:28:26,760
Speaker 1: been on the rise the last couple of seasons, they're

535
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 1: still in the SEC West and it's crowded in the

536
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 1: SEC West to really make any hay, the egg Bowl,

537
00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 1: for what it's worth, over the last fifteen years, is

538
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:40,080
Speaker 1: almost perfectly split. Mississippi State's won eight, ole MISSUS won seven.

539
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:43,400
Speaker 1: Ole Miss has won two in a row. They won

540
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,239
Speaker 1: by ten last year and seven the year before. But

541
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Speaker 1: I think from the standpoint of just a college football rivalry,

542
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: being in a college stadium, both programs having a fair

543
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 1: amount of questions and trying to figure this thing out

544
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: under Mike Leech, trying to figure this thing out under

545
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:00,360
Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin with a bunch of transfers, There's going to

546
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,080
Speaker 1: be a lot of reasons to talk about this game.

547
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 1: So I think the totality of the rivalry, I agree

548
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,240
Speaker 1: with you, probably more juice than the Egg Bowl. But

549
00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: let me go back to the Florida Georgia game for

550
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: a second. If I could, yeah, and I can make

551
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Speaker 1: the case for Florida Georgia. Continue, you could make the

552
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: case for Florida Georgia, And I think I'm gonna do

553
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: a little bit of that here. Georgia defending national champion,

554
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 1: loaded for bear, no doubt about it, bringing back Stetson Bennett.

555
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:24,520
Speaker 1: They're going to have a ton of talent. Their defense

556
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: will be just fine. This is going to be a

557
00:29:26,080 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: really good team again in twenty twenty two. But Florida

558
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: under Billy Napier is sort of an X factor for me.

559
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:37,080
Speaker 1: I started going through and reading and jotting down notes

560
00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: about the Florida Gators going into the twenty two season,

561
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 1: not preview worthy type stuff, but just to reacclimate myself

562
00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: with the Gator program and some of what Napier's doing

563
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: and who we brought in and what this thing might

564
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Speaker 1: look like and again I come back to the fact

565
00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 1: that when he was at Louisiana, those teams played really hard.

566
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Speaker 1: They played really it didn't matter who they were playing,

567
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,560
Speaker 1: but in particular the games where they really had a

568
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 1: rise to the level of an opponent. And they didn't

569
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Speaker 1: win all those games, Dan, but they always played hard.

570
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Speaker 1: Even if they don't win this game, they're probably not

571
00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: going to be down twenty four to nail at halftime

572
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: like they were a year ago. Just don't see that happening. Yeah.

573
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Speaker 2: The thing that I would the case against this game

574
00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 2: against Florida Georgia is there is no yearning in the

575
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Speaker 2: same way there has been for quite some time from

576
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,800
Speaker 2: Georgia fans, either to get past Florida or to get

577
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 2: over the hump and win the national championship. So now

578
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 2: we're in the shadow of Georgia fans getting everything they wanted,

579
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 2: you know, building up the roster, building up this incredible

580
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 2: defense especially and toppling Alabama specifically to win the national championship.

581
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:49,720
Speaker 2: Now Florida is more important of a college football game

582
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 2: than Georgia Alabama is, just because of the tradition whatever.

583
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Speaker 2: The interesting thing is the energy rating off radiating off

584
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 2: of Florida fans. Body stick with me. I think now

585
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 2: you have the incredible year with what do we call him,

586
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 2: k Pop Harry Astoni and Kyle Kyle Trask. So you

587
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: have that incredible season in which Florida really manhandled Georgia.

588
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 2: But outside of that, it's been sort of like the

589
00:31:17,880 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 2: energy rating off radiating out of the Florida fans mind

590
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: has not been as Neon has not been as aggressive.

591
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:30,959
Speaker 2: And with a new coach, with a quarterback with the

592
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 2: kind of upside of Anthony Richardson, you tap into that

593
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 2: hope and potential and ceiling conversation which brings its own

594
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 2: kind of juice to a rivalry that like, oh my god,

595
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 2: the best of Anthony Richardson could shred anyone. Now we'll

596
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 2: see how while he's protected, how great his his receiving cores?

597
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:54,080
Speaker 2: And you know the running back stable is. But there

598
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 2: is that unknown quantity which I guess ole Miss has

599
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 2: sort of with Jackson Dart the presumed starter at quarterback

600
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: replaced Matt Corral. But we know what a Lane Kipin

601
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 2: offense is going to be. We know what a Mike

602
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: Leech offense is going to be. There is something novel

603
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,840
Speaker 2: there is about that new elements to a rivalry game.

604
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 2: But I'm still going egg ball here totality.

605
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,680
Speaker 1: Let's go over to the Big Twelve. I've got two

606
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: Oklahoma games in here. I tried to split it up

607
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: as best I could. I didn't want to have too

608
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 1: much overlap. But there's no way I could ignore Texas Oklahoma.

609
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: And then there's also no way I can ignore Oklahoma

610
00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,240
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State just because they call it Bedlam, which is

611
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:36,840
Speaker 1: like the coolest rivalry name in my view, pretty great.

612
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 1: Let's start with Texas Oklahoma The Red River Game. Oklahoma

613
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,240
Speaker 1: won this one fifty five to forty eight last season.

614
00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: They have won four in a row if you count

615
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: the twenty eighteen Big Twelve Championship game. But of note,

616
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,040
Speaker 1: as I alluded to earlier, eight of the last ten

617
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: meetings have been decided by one score. This is a

618
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: close game. It's been close historic, it was close again

619
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: last year. There's really no reason to think that it

620
00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 1: won't be close again this coming season. We can get

621
00:33:06,440 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: into that on the Oklahoma Oklahoma State side, the Bedlam Game.

622
00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State won this one thirty seven to thirty three

623
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: last season, but had lost the previous six They've really

624
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 1: only won four of the last twenty Bedlam games. Yeah,

625
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: which isn't great, but those four were meaningful, I'm sure

626
00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 1: for Oklahoma State fans in this case. Seven of the

627
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,720
Speaker 1: twenty have been one score games. A few others were

628
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 1: closer than the score might indicate because they got into

629
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 1: the point where just you know, everybody's scoring points, right,

630
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:43,000
Speaker 1: But Texas Oklahoma tends to be a little bit closer. Obviously,

631
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 1: the Oklahoma Oklahoma State game is a lot more unbalanced

632
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 1: with respect to Oklahoma and its dominance over Oklahoma State,

633
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: but both games seemingly are kind of the determining factor

634
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,920
Speaker 1: in some way, shape or form in the Big twelve

635
00:33:58,960 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: nearly every year.

636
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 2: That's big picture. I want state of the rivalry late May. So,

637
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 2: who isn't a if you are an Oklahoma fan or

638
00:34:09,960 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 2: if you are a Texas fan, which side is more excited,

639
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 2: feels more energy, feels more anticipation, And to you when

640
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,400
Speaker 2: you think about the best of this year's matchups, is

641
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 2: red River in that for you? Because of all of

642
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:27,680
Speaker 2: the change, is that a good thing?

643
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: Like?

644
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 2: I think there is a specific portion of the Texas

645
00:34:31,600 --> 00:34:34,399
Speaker 2: fan base that is already a little let down by

646
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,600
Speaker 2: Sark after a year, because of the defense, because of

647
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 2: the offensive starts and stops that I don't think there

648
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,839
Speaker 2: I don't think the Texas fan base is as galvanized

649
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,400
Speaker 2: around Sark at the moment, despite that incredible recruiting class

650
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 2: and transfers. As Oklahoma's fan base is hoping, praying in

651
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 2: a frenzy all behind and the sure thing head coach

652
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,080
Speaker 2: Brent Venable's future.

653
00:35:04,440 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 1: There is far more juice on Texas Oklahoma, and there

654
00:35:08,120 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: are a couple reasons for that. First, which side of

655
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,880
Speaker 1: Texas Oklahoma? Is what I'm asking you. I think on

656
00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:14,480
Speaker 1: the Texas side, you think.

657
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 2: There's more juice on Texas than Oklahoma. See, I think

658
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 2: there's less juice. Well because of disappointment with Sark. You're one,

659
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 2: there was disappointment, but there is now also this I

660
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:29,120
Speaker 2: think resurgence of hope. Quinn Ewers decided to come down

661
00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:33,919
Speaker 2: from Columbus, Ohio to play quarterback. They've got Isaiah Nayer, right,

662
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 2: my favorite transfer from Wyoming who's going to come down

663
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 2: and add to that receiving corps which is a pretty

664
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 2: already pretty good with the way that Xavier Worthy broke

665
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: out last season.

666
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:47,840
Speaker 1: And then of course the running back stable is fairly

667
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,120
Speaker 1: loaded as well, with Jean Robinson and Rashawn Johnson. I

668
00:35:51,160 --> 00:35:53,760
Speaker 1: think Texas people are very excited about what their offense

669
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 1: has in store. Everybody knows that the defense needs to improve.

670
00:35:56,480 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 1: They need to learn how to tackle right. They need

671
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: to be able to do that before they could really

672
00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 1: take a step forward. But I think the reason that

673
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,040
Speaker 1: there's so much juice from my view, tell me if

674
00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:11,360
Speaker 1: I'm wrong on the Texas side, is because Oklahoma, with

675
00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:15,480
Speaker 1: its coaching turnover, with its player turnover and transfers out,

676
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 1: I think Texas people see an opening. And for a

677
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: long time I just talked about how Oklahoma's won a

678
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,040
Speaker 1: bunch of games in a row. I think Texas sees

679
00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: this as an opportunity, perhaps to get one up on Oklahoma,

680
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 1: to turn the tide, to get things going in a

681
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,640
Speaker 1: better direction for long coordination than has previously been the case.

682
00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:40,040
Speaker 1: If they can win this game in October, suddenly that

683
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 1: opens up a lot of trapdoors for this Texas program.

684
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: That opens up opportunity in a way that this game

685
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:49,480
Speaker 1: has kind of gotten in the way previously. So you

686
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,240
Speaker 1: win this game, I think the sentiment within the Texas

687
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: world changes overnight, and because of all the turnover, I

688
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,600
Speaker 1: think there are probably a lot of Texas fans who

689
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: see this game is suddenly something that's gettable and winnable

690
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: and perhaps something that could define the early part of

691
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: the Steve Sarkisian era.

692
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 2: I think there's some truth there. I also think Texas

693
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:15,480
Speaker 2: fans are pretty smart about this Texas program and that

694
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:17,880
Speaker 2: Quinn yours is not an edge rusher as a and

695
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 2: A or is not an unstoppable defensive tackle that you know,

696
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,920
Speaker 2: you can wake up and have this Texas program look

697
00:37:25,960 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 2: a lot like Cliff Kingsbury Texas.

698
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 1: Tex Well, and here's here's what's crazy about what's crazy

699
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 1: about this? And I was thinking about this too, because

700
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 1: I said I was doing a little bit of a

701
00:37:34,320 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 1: little bit of advanced scouting and reading and trying to

702
00:37:37,480 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 1: get myself ready to get ready to do the previews.

703
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 1: There's a real chance that this version of Texas could

704
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: turn into previous versions of Oklahoma, whereby they've got a

705
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 1: great offense well that's what, yeah, and still can't really

706
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:54,440
Speaker 1: play defense. And I don't think that would be the

707
00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:58,080
Speaker 1: desired outcome, but it certainly would make Texas Texas very

708
00:37:58,080 --> 00:37:59,919
Speaker 1: interesting to watch in the offensive side of the ball.

709
00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's why I said Cliff Kingsbury, Texas Tech,

710
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 2: where they build up this incredible half team, I think

711
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 2: there's a good amount of juice. I think there's a

712
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 2: good amount of juice because of new quarterback, because of transfers,

713
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 2: because of recruiting class, and then because of everybody coming

714
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 2: together on the Oklahoma side to immediately talk themselves into

715
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 2: Brent Venables getting back to Oklahoma as a defensive power,

716
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:27,439
Speaker 2: which it's been a minute consistently over many years, and

717
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 2: springing in Dylan Gabriel, bringing in Jeff Levy. Like I

718
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 2: think there is, there was an appropriate amount of we

719
00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 2: love Lincoln Riley, we love what he's done for this program.

720
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 2: We've loved these quarterbacks by and large. But there are,

721
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,719
Speaker 2: you know, the pieces falling a little with you know,

722
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 2: namely the LSU playoff game, which got out of hands

723
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 2: so quickly that there there was probably some faction of

724
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: the crowd of the fan base ready for something new,

725
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 2: which is insane but reasonable.

726
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: At the same time, Oklahoma Oklahoma State, the Bedlam game,

727
00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 1: there's been a lot of imbalance there between two schools.

728
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,720
Speaker 1: As I said earlier, Oklahoma State won that game last season,

729
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: but history is certainly not on their side. Oklahoma has

730
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 1: been dominant in that matchup. It probably is a similar

731
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 1: case for folks on the Oklahoma State side, seeing that

732
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:25,920
Speaker 1: there's coaching turnover player turnover in Norman. Could this be

733
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: an opportunity to get another one over on Oklahoma. I

734
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,440
Speaker 1: don't feel the same level of juice here. No, in

735
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: this matchup, I certainly don't feel it, given that Spencer

736
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: Sanders is still there again, I know they beat a

737
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 1: year ago, but I still don't trust him. That's a problem. Yeah,

738
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 1: and so that's the worrying thing for me. Great game,

739
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 1: love the name, but if I'm judging between the two,

740
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: it's still Texas Oklahoma's ruling supreme in the Big Twelve. Yeah.

741
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 2: I mean, there are other games that are the revivalry,

742
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 2: which is interesting, there is, you know. I mean, it

743
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 2: would be nice if Kansas were a good team and

744
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,560
Speaker 2: we'd have Kansas Kansas State or something like that. But

745
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 2: alas here we are or Pharmageddon. I am I'm searching

746
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 2: for reasons to find character and juice in this rivalry game.

747
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 2: In the moment, Bedlam has an incredible history, but in

748
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 2: the moment, It's not as if Oklahoma State fans are

749
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 2: saying this is the year we all get it together

750
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:29,160
Speaker 2: with all of these guys returning and this quarterback showing

751
00:40:29,200 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 2: so much potential, whereas we kind of know what the

752
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 2: Spencer Sanders experience is and will be or can be,

753
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,320
Speaker 2: and they lose what they lose, especially a defensive coordinator

754
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: on defense, but personnel was a big hit as well,

755
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:48,240
Speaker 2: and Oklahoma fans are their attention seems to be all

756
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 2: internal and the future with the SEC and what they

757
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 2: can be big picture rather than Bedlam. Even coming off

758
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:59,400
Speaker 2: of the loss, which arguably drove Lincoln Riley at the

759
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:03,760
Speaker 2: end away from that job. Oklahoma State had the breakthrough

760
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 2: last year, led by the defense, and so it feels

761
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 2: like a bit of a letdown year for Bedlam.

762
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: I would agree with that. You mentioned the revivalry. We

763
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: could talk about that quickly. That was the other matchup

764
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:20,719
Speaker 1: that I pulled revivalry being Baylor TCU TCU one by

765
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 1: two last year. TCU's won six of the last seven.

766
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: They've actually had a lot of success against Baylor. Yeah,

767
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 1: six of the last ten matchups have been one score games,

768
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:35,640
Speaker 1: So clearly with respect to this matchup compared to the others,

769
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 1: there has not been as much riding on it. It's

770
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 1: a good matchup. Yeah, it's a good matchup. And perhaps

771
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 1: this season Baylor will look to turn the tide a

772
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:48,200
Speaker 1: bit as TCU is now switching out coaches with Gary Patterson,

773
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,719
Speaker 1: and maybe tc will lose some of its advantage there.

774
00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 1: But you know, this one does not rise to the

775
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: same level from a juice standpoint as the other two.

776
00:42:00,480 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 2: I think this is wildcard. I think this is wildcard

777
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,960
Speaker 2: spiciness here. It's a fun matchup. I love the matchup,

778
00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 2: but it's no Texas Oklahoma. The depths to which TCU's

779
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 2: defense fell oddly enough under Gary Patterson at the end,

780
00:42:16,160 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 2: one of the nation's absolute worst defenses last year, but

781
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:25,520
Speaker 2: still still mustering enough to beat Big twelve champion Baylor

782
00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:30,440
Speaker 2: is some mystery spice right there, right, And now we

783
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 2: have the new potential of Sunny Dyke's and this new era,

784
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 2: and he'll hit the portal. He has hit the portal

785
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 2: pretty hard, both losing and gaining and Baylor making the

786
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 2: changed quarterback Bohandan transferring like there's a new era at

787
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:52,400
Speaker 2: quarterback for the Bears, and I don't know Baylor winning

788
00:42:52,440 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 2: the Conference and TCU hiring a new coach for the

789
00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:01,320
Speaker 2: first time in forever. There's novelty here, and I forget

790
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 2: about the history. I just think that there is something

791
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 2: here that these are going to be the two teams

792
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,479
Speaker 2: of the the handful of teams jockeying for the top

793
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 2: of the new Big twelve. I just think we're on

794
00:43:13,480 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 2: in ascent right now with the Revivalry. How about that? Like,

795
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 2: maybe it doesn't have the juice, but I think I

796
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 2: think the Steak is hitting that hot grill here and

797
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 2: we're about to see some anger crust building.

798
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 1: So then aptly named the Revival. Definitely all right, I

799
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,760
Speaker 1: appreciate that. Let's go over the PAC twelve. I pulled

800
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: three games here. There were a bunch more that I

801
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,800
Speaker 1: could have gone with. As I'm wearing my Oregon shirt,

802
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:43,320
Speaker 1: you're wearing your Oregon shirt. I pulled Oregon, Oregon State, USC, UCLA,

803
00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: excuse me, and Territorial Cup in Arizona Arizona State, three

804
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:52,320
Speaker 1: matchups that are interesting for a variety of reasons. Oregon

805
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: won by nine last season over Oregon State. They won

806
00:43:55,840 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 1: twelve of the last fifteen. UCLA hammered, USC beat NIM

807
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:04,319
Speaker 1: by twenty nine points, sixty two to thirty three. The

808
00:44:04,440 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: series is dead even over the last ten years. Yeah,

809
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: five and five. And then on the Arizona Arizona State side,

810
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 1: ASU won by twenty three last year. They've won the

811
00:44:14,719 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 1: last five. But there is certainly a lot more optimism

812
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,160
Speaker 1: on the Arizona side right now than there is in

813
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: the ASU side.

814
00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:30,200
Speaker 2: Right definitely, Okay, let's start Territorial Cup. I think this

815
00:44:30,280 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 2: is an underrated juice matchup because of it. I agree

816
00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 2: because of the direction of Arizona and how especially vulnerable

817
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 2: ASU is after hanging how many points recently, like demolishing

818
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 2: them by sixty seventy points in Kevin Sumlin's final game.

819
00:44:47,080 --> 00:44:51,239
Speaker 2: So that's a great turnaround. Nationally, the interest in the

820
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:56,840
Speaker 2: Cats is not huge, so in terms of convincing people

821
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 2: to stay up super late to watch the Territorial Cup.

822
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 2: When ASU is you know, three and eight or something

823
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 2: like that, and Arizona is also three and eight, but

824
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 2: one's coming down and one's going up to three, Like

825
00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:15,720
Speaker 2: that's tough. I think it's underrated, but tough. The Oregon

826
00:45:15,800 --> 00:45:18,319
Speaker 2: Oregon State, the Platypus Cup, whatever we're gonna call it

827
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:22,680
Speaker 2: moving forward. Uh, I don't even think it has the

828
00:45:22,719 --> 00:45:27,680
Speaker 2: most juice of Oregon matchups. I think Oregon Washington is

829
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 2: more electric because Washington was a playoff team whatever it

830
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 2: was six years ago. That Washington is a more historic program.

831
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 2: And when Washington fans look in the mirror, they see

832
00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:46,319
Speaker 2: big boys. It's not necessarily true in this moment, but

833
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 2: I think Oregon fans are happier to beat Washington than

834
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:52,759
Speaker 2: they are to beat Oregon State because I don't I

835
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:53,960
Speaker 2: don't think or do you hear this?

836
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:57,760
Speaker 1: The mower outside here, there's a mower. Yeah, yeah, going.

837
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:00,760
Speaker 2: Much of the way Oregon has mowed through Washingrington recently.

838
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 2: There is something like Oregon State Beating Oregon is more

839
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:11,920
Speaker 2: significant because Oregon State fans are there's the constant underdog,

840
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 2: the perennial underdog element to being an Oregon State fan

841
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 2: that you know, they're not the big dog in their

842
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 2: own state, and they don't spend as much money, and

843
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 2: you know, Oregon has the Nike connection, everything like that.

844
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,760
Speaker 2: Washington's won a national championship. It's been thirty forty years now,

845
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,479
Speaker 2: and Washington has been in the playoff, and Washington sees

846
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 2: itself as that big program. So Washington fans don't circle

847
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:38,560
Speaker 2: the Apple Cup like they circle the Oregon game. Oregon

848
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 2: State fans circle Oregon. But right now, I think the

849
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:49,359
Speaker 2: matchup with more heat within the stadium between the fan

850
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:53,560
Speaker 2: bases is Oregon Washington. Even with Oregon success over the

851
00:46:53,600 --> 00:46:55,719
Speaker 2: Huskies over the past twenty years or something like that,

852
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 2: Oregon fans are happier to beat Washington than any other team.

853
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:04,279
Speaker 2: To me, maybe USC and Washington fans are happier to

854
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:06,760
Speaker 2: beat Oregon than any other team. I think the rivalry

855
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 2: is not in the most amazing place because of where

856
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 2: Washington's fallen off. So I'm going to say it's simply warming,

857
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:18,080
Speaker 2: perhaps for service in a little bit, but I think

858
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,080
Speaker 2: it's in a decent place needs to get better.

859
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 1: So I didn't even say Oregon Washington.

860
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 2: I know you didn't. That was my exception with you

861
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 2: taking Oregon Oregon State.

862
00:47:25,560 --> 00:47:29,160
Speaker 1: I pivoted the pivot right, Okay, So in.

863
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,440
Speaker 2: Terms of the Platypus Cup, if that's what we're calling it,

864
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,240
Speaker 2: I think it's fine. I think it's ascending. With Jonathan

865
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 2: Smith getting Oregon State to a good place, I think

866
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:39,399
Speaker 2: it's fine. I don't think there's a ton of juice there.

867
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:45,200
Speaker 1: USC UCLA. Yeah, you got to you're an LA guy. Yeah,

868
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: you got to explain this dynamic to me. Mm hmm.

869
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: We have, either rightly or wrongly, over the years, we

870
00:47:54,680 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 1: have painted this picture of West Coast slash Southern California

871
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 1: college football as the kind of thing where there are

872
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: plenty of people nationally and even in Southern California who care.

873
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 1: They just don't care as much as say, Michigan, Ohio State.

874
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 1: There are other things to do in December in California

875
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:16,719
Speaker 1: than watch football on the TV.

876
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:19,279
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, And there are things to do everywhere. To

877
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 2: be clear, there are the culture, the culture around football

878
00:48:22,560 --> 00:48:26,200
Speaker 2: and college football and pro football. Despite is in LA,

879
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 2: the home of the defending Super Bowl champions, That's correct,

880
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 2: it's just not as ingrained. It's just not as passionate.

881
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 2: There are pockets of it, but it's not widespread.

882
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: Like it is in the South and Midwest for sure.

883
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 1: So with that being said, I kind of feel like

884
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 1: this is a matchup that because it's been close, because

885
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:50,600
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly's interesting, right, He's just an interesting guy. Because

886
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 1: USC is now going in a vastly different direction from

887
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,279
Speaker 1: where they've been over the last decade, and they were

888
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: able to poach Lincoln Riley and a bunch of players

889
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: and you know all the stuff. There's there's a lot

890
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: of intrigue around this matchup, especially since UCLA pummeled them

891
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 1: a year ago. Yeah, I don't know if it quite

892
00:49:06,760 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: has the heat, but from a talking standpoint, from something

893
00:49:10,920 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: that we care about on the national level, we probably

894
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:16,480
Speaker 1: care about this more nationally than they do. On the ground,

895
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 1: I think there's very limited juice with this.

896
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think with where USC and USC fans have

897
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 2: set their sites, it is so far past UCLA and

898
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:33,160
Speaker 2: UCLA is at times they lay low and they jump

899
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 2: up and beat somebody, but they are very specifically a

900
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,720
Speaker 2: program that, like you know, Chip Kelly is not recruiting

901
00:49:39,719 --> 00:49:41,920
Speaker 2: blue chip guys in the same way he's looking for

902
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 2: his guys, and so he's not going to pop off

903
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 2: like Lane Kiffin. He's not gonna do that kind of thing.

904
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 2: And so it would be great if Lane Kiffin were

905
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,880
Speaker 2: coaching UCLA. But still, the dynamic of this rivalry is,

906
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 2: you know, the Ridge kids at USC, and well I

907
00:49:58,840 --> 00:50:01,040
Speaker 2: guess also the rich kids that you but it's also

908
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:04,520
Speaker 2: it's the state school and UCLA fans are much more

909
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 2: in the mold and again there are very aggressive go

910
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:11,040
Speaker 2: on the UCLA blocks. There are regressive UCLA fans, but

911
00:50:11,160 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 2: by and large, the vibe of UCLA football fandom and

912
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 2: as it relates to USC is like, oh, I hope.

913
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:19,080
Speaker 1: We beat them all looks like we beat them again.

914
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: It's not.

915
00:50:21,640 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 2: It's not crazy, and so I don't think it ever

916
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 2: will reach that fever pitch unless UCLA is randomly excellent

917
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:30,400
Speaker 2: and this is a top ten matchup at the end

918
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 2: of the season with playoff implications. Short of that, you're

919
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:35,719
Speaker 2: you're always going to be looking at at best like

920
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:37,920
Speaker 2: a two thirds full Rose Bowl when that game is

921
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:40,280
Speaker 2: being played there. And we'll see about the coliseum. Obviously,

922
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:42,719
Speaker 2: there's a ton of juice with USC right now, but

923
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,880
Speaker 2: I don't I don't think USC has that game unless

924
00:50:46,920 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 2: it's unless it's maybe Oregon. Just I don't think there's

925
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 2: any juice to Notre Dame USC at the moment because

926
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 2: we just haven't had that a meaningful to USC.

927
00:50:57,600 --> 00:50:59,839
Speaker 1: Oh. I don't at all. I do. I do. Talk

928
00:50:59,880 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: to Michael Junior. He'll tell you about the juice and

929
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: the Notre Dame USC game. That's that's the game for Notre.

930
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 2: Dame yeah, just talk to mama. H Tie is the

931
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 2: most handsome boy in the whole wide world. Of course,

932
00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,360
Speaker 2: Notre Dame people are gonna say because they've been winning

933
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:16,640
Speaker 2: this game. But I'm just saying nationally, like, are you

934
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,080
Speaker 2: canceling plans to watch whatever it is that we're getting

935
00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 2: from Notre Dame USC this year? If you are an

936
00:51:23,600 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 2: Oklahoma fan, if you're a Florida State fan, if you're

937
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 2: a South.

938
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 1: Carolina you're just a Notre Dame hater. That's what this is.

939
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:29,200
Speaker 1: I'm not a note. That's what this is.

940
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 2: Watch fine, it's fine. I've watched a ton of great

941
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:35,400
Speaker 2: Notre Dame USC games. I'm just saying, as it stands

942
00:51:35,480 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 2: right now, Tyler Buckner, Like what what what am I

943
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:43,120
Speaker 2: getting excited about with this matchup? Like, I'm excited to

944
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:47,960
Speaker 2: see what USC is, But I just I don't sense

945
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 2: that the wave of college football attention attention is splashing

946
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 2: on USC Notre Dame. But look it come early October.

947
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:04,200
Speaker 2: This is completely dependent on these teams being excellent. But like,

948
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:06,399
Speaker 2: I don't think you go out of your way right

949
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 2: now today living in the present for Notre Dame USC.

950
00:52:10,680 --> 00:52:12,960
Speaker 1: By the way, you mentioned the Territorial Cup. I want

951
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 1: to throw one final fact out there, and then we'll

952
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: move on to our final series of games three that

953
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 1: we pulled from the ACC. Yeah. I became familiar in

954
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:27,400
Speaker 1: studying for this show with a website called no Rivalry

955
00:52:27,520 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: know rivalry dot com. Nice. I've never seen this website before.

956
00:52:33,320 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 1: They've clearly put in a lot of information and a

957
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: lot of effort to define rivalries in all sports, not

958
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: just college football. But per their proprietary metric, which it

959
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,919
Speaker 1: looks like it's survey based, and there's like a whole

960
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:48,920
Speaker 1: thing on the website you can read about it. I

961
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 1: still don't really understand it. But per their metric, per

962
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,720
Speaker 1: their metric, Arizona Arizona State is the most intense rivalry

963
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:02,680
Speaker 1: in college football. That is ahead of of Navy An Army,

964
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:08,960
Speaker 1: ahead of Ohio State, Michigan, ahead of Texas, Oklahoma, Utah,

965
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 1: by you all these matchups here per their metric, and

966
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: it's not even close. It is a Territorial Cup, for

967
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 1: whatever that means to you.

968
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 2: So you have no idea how it is this, but

969
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,799
Speaker 2: you would like to mention that somebody believes it to

970
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 2: be with their own formula.

971
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: That is that's actually correct. Yes, Okay, good to know.

972
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think what metrics on the internet. It

973
00:53:35,440 --> 00:53:36,400
Speaker 1: must be true.

974
00:53:36,600 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 2: Sunny days golf availability, pool side availability, like.

975
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: I don't know where you could Where is the I'm

976
00:53:47,600 --> 00:53:52,919
Speaker 1: gonna send you the thing, excite the hatred number one,

977
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: I don't know man final series spikiness. Yeah, acc I've

978
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:03,400
Speaker 1: got a few matchups that I pulled. This isn't quite

979
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:09,319
Speaker 1: the same formula that I've been using for the other conferences,

980
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:12,279
Speaker 1: but I wanted to use Clemson South Carolina. I just

981
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 1: thought that was interesting. Okay, bro, Clemson South Carolina. It's

982
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:21,120
Speaker 1: not within the ACC but as definitely ascending thirty to nothing,

983
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 1: thirty to nothing, Clemson's won the last seven. Most of

984
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:27,360
Speaker 1: those games have not been closed. Yeah, but it's interesting.

985
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: It is ascending. Florida State Miami always a big deal.

986
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:35,200
Speaker 1: And then I pulled North Carolina North Carolina State because

987
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:38,359
Speaker 1: I felt like, just given current circumstances, that one's got

988
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 1: a little bit more relevance than the obvious one, which

989
00:54:41,120 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: is Duke North Carolina. So Florida State Miami. I think

990
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 1: Florida State Miami is the one here that's got the

991
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 1: most juice on it. Right now. Okay, Florida State won

992
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,680
Speaker 1: by three last year. Before that, Miami had won four

993
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 1: in a row. Before that, I think Florida State had

994
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: won seven in a row. Mm hm. So, like any

995
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 1: good basketball matchup, this was a game of streaks. Whether

996
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:13,319
Speaker 1: or not Florida State continues that trend remains to be

997
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: seen this coming season. Obviously, Miami swapped out as coach.

998
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 1: I think just that there is so much riding on

999
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: this game on a number of different levels. First off,

1000
00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 1: Mike Norvel needs big wins. He needs big wins. He

1001
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: was able to rally the troops after a rough go

1002
00:55:29,120 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 1: of things last season, namely starting out zero to four,

1003
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,360
Speaker 1: but he needs big rights. He's wins like this to

1004
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 1: bolster his standing within the Florida State, within the state

1005
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,440
Speaker 1: of Florida because of recruiting. You've got an ace recruiter

1006
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,680
Speaker 1: in Coral Gables now in Mario Crystaball might take him

1007
00:55:46,680 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 1: a little bit to build up that roster, but we

1008
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 1: know that's what he's really good at, probably better at

1009
00:55:52,680 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: that than anything. He's a really good recruiter. So Mike

1010
00:55:56,160 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: Norvell needs wins like this on his on his resume.

1011
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:06,680
Speaker 1: On the Miami side, I think a much similar situation, frankly,

1012
00:56:07,040 --> 00:56:08,920
Speaker 1: because it all comes down to recruiting. You're trying to

1013
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,680
Speaker 1: attract talent from the state of Florida to come down

1014
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,680
Speaker 1: in Miami, and Mario Cristaball is going to have this

1015
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 1: game circled. It's a traditional rivalry. There's been obviously a

1016
00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: ton of history here with this game. I don't know

1017
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:23,360
Speaker 1: if it's so much meaningful on the national scene the

1018
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,200
Speaker 1: way some of the other matchups are that we discussed,

1019
00:56:26,719 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 1: but certainly within the Great State of Florida, there's a

1020
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: lot riding on this one on a bunch of different levels.

1021
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:35,160
Speaker 1: So certainly as compared to North Carolina, North Carolina State,

1022
00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,720
Speaker 1: certainly as compared to Clemson, South Carolina, Florida State at Miami,

1023
00:56:38,719 --> 00:56:40,480
Speaker 1: to me, within the ACC's pretty big deal.

1024
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:44,440
Speaker 2: The only thing that concerns me about this game and

1025
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:46,520
Speaker 2: assessing the juice.

1026
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 1: Is does the ACC go.

1027
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:55,479
Speaker 2: Through one of these teams because you're talking about national jews,

1028
00:56:55,480 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 2: I'm even talking regional juice that Miami's simply looking to

1029
00:57:00,640 --> 00:57:03,960
Speaker 2: get its act together more consistently, as is Florida State.

1030
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 2: You have the human element where you know there's Florida

1031
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 2: State fans love beating Miami. Miami fans love beating Florida State.

1032
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 2: You have the recruiting element, as you mentioned, but on

1033
00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:18,400
Speaker 2: the field excitement, which is part of it. I would

1034
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:24,120
Speaker 2: offer up to you NC State Clemson. Now I don't

1035
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:27,160
Speaker 2: think there's hatred there, but there were two or three

1036
00:57:27,240 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 2: years of close NC State losses. Again, orseshoes and grenades,

1037
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 2: I get that. But NC State winning that game last

1038
00:57:34,920 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 2: year as Clemson's falling of bit is NC State and

1039
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 2: Devon Leary, your guy, Devin Leary le the very quiet

1040
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,480
Speaker 2: and you don't associate the word quiet with juice.

1041
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 1: But are they? Are they that team that is getting.

1042
00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:57,400
Speaker 2: This pot warmer and warmer is what I'm saying. Everybody

1043
00:57:57,680 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 2: was looking up at Clemson. Everybody is looking up at

1044
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 2: Clemson still in the ACAC big picture.

1045
00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 1: But we can talk.

1046
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 2: About Miami's recruiting classes, we can talk about the staff

1047
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 2: that Mario chris Ball is hired. We can talk about,

1048
00:58:12,080 --> 00:58:14,680
Speaker 2: you know, Florida State potentially finally breaking through and not

1049
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:17,720
Speaker 2: losing their first four games or something like that. But

1050
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 2: right now, the actual game I want to watch for

1051
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 2: football reasons, and I believe it's at Clemson this year

1052
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:27,040
Speaker 2: is NC State Clemson. Would you rather watch from a

1053
00:58:27,080 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 2: football perspective, Florida State Miami or NC State Clemson Right now?

1054
00:58:31,880 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 2: I think NC State Clemson is more must watch TV.

1055
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: I think the Florida State Miami game has a tendency

1056
00:58:40,600 --> 00:58:45,280
Speaker 1: to be a better viewing experience. Oh, it's more chaotic,

1057
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:49,720
Speaker 1: for sure, Definitely more chaotic in the moment. Yeah, But

1058
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: in terms of actual significance within the conference, yeah, yeah.

1059
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:58,480
Speaker 1: NC State, by the way, not a rivalry. We're assessing rivalries.

1060
00:58:58,520 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 1: It's not a rivalry. But I'm just saying juice wise,

1061
00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:07,240
Speaker 1: there's something there. Well, per Bill Connolly's updated and you

1062
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 1: just updated this h within this current week. Yeah, returning

1063
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: production production numbers, NC State is eighth eighty two percent

1064
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:21,040
Speaker 1: returning production, which is a pretty high number among Power

1065
00:59:21,120 --> 00:59:24,640
Speaker 1: five teams. The only two that are better than NC

1066
00:59:24,760 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 1: State are Stanford and Kansas, and I don't think either

1067
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 1: team will be as good as NC State. So NC

1068
00:59:31,040 --> 00:59:34,600
Speaker 1: State's got a really strong number in it's corner there

1069
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,120
Speaker 1: with eighty two percent, and Clemson, for what it's worth,

1070
00:59:37,200 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 1: is also top thirty seventy two percent. So both teams

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00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 1: bring back a lot yep and that will be an

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00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:46,840
Speaker 1: interesting matchup. You know, Clemson needs it now, Clemson, Clemson's

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00:59:46,840 --> 00:59:49,320
Speaker 1: got something to prove going into that matchup because of

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00:59:49,360 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 1: all the turnover that they've experienced and somehow a down

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00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 1: ten and two year right, so right, ten three? Yeah,

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00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:58,000
Speaker 1: what right is there?

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Speaker 2: Where do you put Clemson Florida State? Just because for

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01:00:03,640 --> 01:00:06,720
Speaker 2: so long that was the heavyweight matchup. And I know

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01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 2: we're talking history now, but in terms of ceiling there,

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01:00:11,680 --> 01:00:14,040
Speaker 2: I mean even in blowouts, wasn't it Clemson Florida State

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01:00:14,080 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 2: with like the Florida State like English lip professor reading

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01:00:16,640 --> 01:00:18,880
Speaker 2: at the top of the stands, Like even in blowouts,

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01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 2: there's memorable things. There's memorable nuggets there, which is nice

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01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 2: if you're talking about, you know, storylines.

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Speaker 1: I think that's a game where we want there to

1086
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 1: be more juice. That's an overcook steak. Yeah, that's a

1087
01:00:33,240 --> 01:00:35,120
Speaker 1: game where we want there to be more juice. We

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01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 1: want more juiciness than we've gotten in recent years. So

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01:00:38,720 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 1: there is always that hope element that yeah, maybe maybe

1090
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,000
Speaker 1: we'll catch lightning in a bottle and the game will

1091
01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:48,640
Speaker 1: be good and it'll impact things within the ACC and nationally.

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01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:51,439
Speaker 1: We just have not seen that as of late.

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01:00:51,960 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 2: It's the file a where it's like it sounds like

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01:00:54,880 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 2: it should be good. It sounds fancy, it sounds hopeful,

1095
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 2: but it's a dryer cut. I ordered to day as

1096
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 2: it's a leaner cut.

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01:01:04,120 --> 01:01:07,320
Speaker 1: I ordered this medium and it really came out more

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01:01:07,720 --> 01:01:11,000
Speaker 1: well done. Can't see much pink, Yeah, no, like there's

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01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:14,360
Speaker 1: kind of no pink. It's definitely sharred on the outside.

1100
01:01:14,680 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: And then when you cut through, hoping that it's just

1101
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:19,600
Speaker 1: a good seer on the outside, it's help great throughout.

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Speaker 1: That's where we're out with Florida State and Clemson.

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01:01:22,240 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 2: Yep, I agree, all right, So look Lehigh Lafayette, let's

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01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:33,760
Speaker 2: finish out this last half hour with Lehigh Lafayette.

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1124
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Speaker 2: Should we come up with an easier ur L than

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Speaker 2: verbalers dot com to immediately know how to spell?

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Speaker 1: Is that something v E R B A L L

1131
01:02:57,320 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: E r s. But what would that? What would that

1132
01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:08,240
Speaker 1: custom URL be? Uh? I think I still own Fartgoblin

1133
01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,400
Speaker 1: dot com. I'm gonna have to look that up. Yeah,

1134
01:03:11,440 --> 01:03:14,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if that one's gonna work. You don't

1135
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:19,960
Speaker 1: think that'll pop it. I mean, it definitely pops.

1136
01:03:20,280 --> 01:03:22,720
Speaker 2: I just don't know if that's Let me see if

1137
01:03:22,720 --> 01:03:24,520
Speaker 2: I still own it, by the way, I think.

1138
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:28,280
Speaker 1: I had it. What were your plans with farkgoblin dot com. Oh,

1139
01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:30,800
Speaker 1: I don't have it anymore. I would You know what

1140
01:03:30,840 --> 01:03:31,200
Speaker 1: I would do.

1141
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 2: I would give it over to writers that I liked,

1142
01:03:35,080 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 2: and I would put their archive. I would forward it

1143
01:03:37,320 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 2: to their writing archive. So if at any point, like

1144
01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:41,640
Speaker 2: Bill Barnwell or Seth Rosenthal, I think I did this

1145
01:03:41,720 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 2: with Charlotte Wilder, where I said, look, if you ever

1146
01:03:45,560 --> 01:03:48,840
Speaker 2: are in need of a resume URL to tell people

1147
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 2: where to find your work, it turns out fartgoblin dot

1148
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:56,200
Speaker 2: com points to your work Seth Rosenthal. So it's easy

1149
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 2: to remember it.

1150
01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 1: But it's definitely easy to remember.

1151
01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:05,960
Speaker 2: Uh huh okay, and I believe part goblin is what

1152
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:08,000
Speaker 2: Pumpernickel translates to in German.

1153
01:04:08,320 --> 01:04:11,600
Speaker 1: Right, let's backburner that we can. Let's back burner that. Okay,

1154
01:04:11,840 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 1: we can. We can come back to that, and if

1155
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:20,600
Speaker 1: we need to arrange an easier to remember or more

1156
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:26,320
Speaker 1: juice worthy domain, we can do that. Help buy tie

1157
01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:30,680
Speaker 1: a boat dot org dot org. You know that works.

1158
01:04:30,800 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, boat goals. Let always let us know your boat goals.

1159
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:34,240
Speaker 2: That's all I have for today.

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01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:36,920
Speaker 1: For that guy over there, my good friend Dan Rubinstein,

1161
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:40,080
Speaker 1: for myself, Tie Hilda Brand, thanks so much for downloading, listening, supporting.

1162
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Speaker 1: The show will be back next week for the public

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01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 1: and on Friday for our patreons at Verballers dot com.

1164
01:04:51,200 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 1: We'll talk to y'all soon, Stay solid, peace, and I

1165
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: have it confirmed. Google translates pumper nickel to the devil's fart.

1166
01:05:10,120 --> 01:05:13,240
Speaker 1: Pom Pern is a German verb meaning quote to fart,

1167
01:05:13,600 --> 01:05:15,880
Speaker 1: and nickel, like old nick in English, was a name

1168
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 1: for the devil. Thus pumper nickel literally means the devil's fart.

1169
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 1: Did you look this up before you bought the domain?

1170
01:05:24,240 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 1: I did not.

1171
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:28,120
Speaker 2: Oh maybe I found out this fact and then googled

1172
01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:29,920
Speaker 2: or went on like you know, go daddy or hover

1173
01:05:30,080 --> 01:05:32,840
Speaker 2: or something, and googled to see or looked up to

1174
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:35,680
Speaker 2: see a fart goblin was available, And indeed it was