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Speaker 1: Welcome back to the fire Drill. I will tell a

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Speaker 1: funny story about my producer here at the end of this.

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Speaker 1: But as far as UM are well, first of all,

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Speaker 1: welcome back. Happy New Year? Did we do one already?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. It might be Happy New Year again?

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Speaker 1: And there's a Larry David bit about how I'm not

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Speaker 1: supposed to say Happy New Year. But anyway, UM, Tournament

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Speaker 1: of Champions. Allen was out there, so he had a

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Speaker 1: lot of good stuff from the ground obviously. We talked

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Speaker 1: about UH, John's Rom's comeback, UH and Collin's collapses and

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Speaker 1: whether this is a thing you know he did it

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Speaker 1: at the Hero, he did it here and UM, you

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Speaker 1: know whether it gets into his head. Um. We talked

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Speaker 1: about a press conference that Jay had. Allen was there

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Speaker 1: with him for a little over an hour. UH, talked

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Speaker 1: to Live as always, UM, talked about Allen's book, UH,

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Speaker 1: and just was a really good conversation as always. Michael Bamberger,

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Speaker 1: Alan Schipnik, and myself. UM, I do want to tell

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Speaker 1: a quick story about my producer. Who's looking at me,

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Speaker 1: Jake Huge Parker's fan. Right now, currently the Packers and

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Speaker 1: was going to watch it as if it was live.

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Speaker 1: And I forgot that, And at the end of the

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Speaker 1: podcast told the score and and Jake just went hammerund

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Speaker 1: me that I wish it was recorded, but I could

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Speaker 1: here's the three of us talking golf. That gott can't

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Speaker 1: you j nothing? Well, what I'm thinking about? Can't get

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Speaker 1: him that nothing? Think? Well, I'm thinking about I'm not

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Speaker 1: so how much. You guys saw the turd of it today,

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Speaker 1: but it was spectacular in its Uh. You know, you

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Speaker 1: had called more acclif like he was gonna absolutely dominate

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Speaker 1: and you led to death here in Paradise and John

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Speaker 1: rom played absolutely beautiful round. Uh so what makes sports compelling?

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Speaker 1: Like people were just we're just saying it was over

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Speaker 1: after after three rounds, but ain't over till it's over.

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Speaker 1: So what what did you guys make of the day. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I didn't watch a single shot, but mostly in protest

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Speaker 1: because you know, this is not my kind of tournament.

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Speaker 1: But um, I saw a lot of it on Twitter obviously, Uh,

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Speaker 1: you know clips and stuff. I mean, Colin has now

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Speaker 1: and from the highlights I saw, it was like a

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Speaker 1: it's pretty wild. I mean, what a crazy sport. I

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Speaker 1: mean he literally dominated for whatever, seventy sixty six holes

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Speaker 1: it's metaphysical, right, like you're you're playing that well, and

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Speaker 1: uh you did look quite as comfortable there too, But

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Speaker 1: again that's more about the emotional of the physical, and uh,

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Speaker 1: it's what makes tournament golf such a great theater. Feel

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Speaker 1: sorry for the guy at the human level, but man,

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Speaker 1: it was. It was fascinating. What was the heat and

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Speaker 1: humidity like out there? Because Colin Marcar was wearing those

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Speaker 1: it's been hot, you know. Wednesday and Thursday was kind

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Speaker 1: the mometer here in Maui was ninety degrees, so that's unusual. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know, And this is a very difficult golf course

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Speaker 1: And he kind of puffed up and he's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's cool to see him do it. Well, I'm sure

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Speaker 1: I'll tell me more of Ron, but just to go

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Speaker 1: back to Colin here for a second. I mean what

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Speaker 1: you just saut on fitness should be his stock in trade.

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Speaker 1: I mean, just to look at this guy. He's he's young,

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Speaker 1: it's amazing what adrenaline will do an emotion because his

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Speaker 1: like one of my all time favorite pet golfers because

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Speaker 1: he looked absolutely dumpy and anyone like five times and

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Speaker 1: just you know, obviously the wall or is to go

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Speaker 1: to make our obligatory but totally authentic nod to John

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Speaker 1: Rom's spic tacul or use of the English language. I mean,

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Speaker 1: and so I just as is my wan. I just

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Speaker 1: Jamnahan always as a Q and A with the champion,

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Speaker 1: And but you know in that that's a little more

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Speaker 1: informal setting. The mark Rolfing is, you know, the patriarch.

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Speaker 1: He saw me, He texts me, please don't quote this.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to get in trouble whatever thing. But

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Speaker 1: don't know. I mean, you got you gotta blend in.

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Speaker 1: So if I'm standing there taking notes, yeah, you know,

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Speaker 1: get you know, two pounds worth of good nagiri and

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Speaker 1: ask what's what's the best place you've snuck into as

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Speaker 1: a but we all know how that ended. Yeah, public

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Speaker 1: that atmosphere, were still relaxed. He's drinking in Tina Colada

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Speaker 1: and um Monahan's not a great interviewer. Every sentence begin

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Speaker 1: to talk about, talk about, talk about you know, it's

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Speaker 1: like just ask a question, Jay, not to make a statement.

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Speaker 1: This is like interviewing one on one. But anyway, and Jay,

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Speaker 1: we don't use the command form at the elite levels

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Speaker 1: of the game. They're human beings, they're not robots. Anyway,

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Speaker 1: the phone in the drawers, he said, and they just

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Speaker 1: from going and all this money. So um that that

424
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Speaker 1: was a little nugget that came out of it. You

425
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Speaker 1: still haven't decided on field size for the future elevated events,

426
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Speaker 1: so they're going to be cuts. And I was kind

427
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Speaker 1: of pressed them on that point, like, you know, hey,

428
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Speaker 1: the biggest thing the tour has different to differentiate itself

429
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Speaker 1: from live. There's a competitive aspect. Semi two holes we've cut.

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Speaker 1: And I said, look, you go for the Tour Championship

431
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Speaker 1: to the Hero to Maui. Tiny fields, no cut, big money,

432
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Speaker 1: World ranking points. I was like, this is kind of

433
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Speaker 1: fishy man like He's like, yeah, we're gonna look at

434
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Speaker 1: everything going forward and there may be some structural changes

435
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Speaker 1: to every event on our schedule. So um, but yeah,

436
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Speaker 1: product product against product is definitely because the mantra of

437
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Speaker 1: the tour and I talked to a lot of guys

438
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Speaker 1: this we've got a lot of different things related to

439
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Speaker 1: this whole you know, uh battle between warring tribes, and um,

440
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 1: I sensed that the tour guys are settled in their

441
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Speaker 1: position now, like we've done the best we can do.

442
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Speaker 1: We've made this as attractive as we can. We've got

443
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Speaker 1: the guys who want to be here totally bought in

444
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Speaker 1: and now we're just gonna go play golf and not

445
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Speaker 1: worry about it. So it was interesting. There's a peacefulness

446
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,400
Speaker 1: around the PGA tour that hadn't existed I think previously.

447
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Speaker 1: Did did he go down that Norman must go road that,

448
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Speaker 1: which I think is nutty at all. I asked him,

449
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Speaker 1: I said, hey, big Norman called you tomorrow. Would you

450
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Speaker 1: take the call? And it's like, do you have a

451
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Speaker 1: fiduciary duty to answer the phone? And he's like, you know,

452
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Speaker 1: he didn't be like I gotta like to play hypothetical.

453
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Speaker 1: It was like, literally just said five minutes ago that

454
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Speaker 1: your whole job is looking into the future and game

455
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Speaker 1: planning for future threats and predicting the future and all

456
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Speaker 1: these different models. It's like you live in the world

457
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Speaker 1: of hypotheticals. But when reporters presentive, he doesn't want to

458
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Speaker 1: he doesn't want to answer. Alan, you didn't answer that.

459
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Speaker 1: You didn't ask the question right away. You should have

460
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Speaker 1: had the palling talk about what you would do when

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Speaker 1: Norman my bad, Yeah, he didn't. He didn't want to

462
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Speaker 1: touch anything happened to do. And that was that question

463
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Speaker 1: I think touched off atill. So will it be about

464
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Speaker 1: product against product? And we just like we are who

465
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Speaker 1: we are, this is the best product we can present.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna have all these players coming together. Uh yeah, yeah,

467
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Speaker 1: that's that's you know. Wheels out tourists earlier said hey, man,

468
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Speaker 1: if you don't like what we're offering, then watch something else,

469
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Speaker 1: Like this is the best we can do. To be fair,

470
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Speaker 1: a lot of less people watched the product, and this

471
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Speaker 1: will bring up a bigger discussion. I think Ryan Blanche

472
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Speaker 1: like tweeted out that a lot of less people have

473
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Speaker 1: watched every day the thing. Then last year supposedly a

474
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Speaker 1: better field. I mean it is a better field than

475
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Speaker 1: last year. I think it brings up like people are

476
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Speaker 1: sick of pro golf. I mean, I think they're they're

477
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Speaker 1: like tired of all the politics. I hope, for everybody's

478
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Speaker 1: sake that all of this crap just calms down. I

479
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Speaker 1: don't think that's possible, but I think people are just

480
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Speaker 1: growing tired of the constant. And it's like the article

481
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Speaker 1: I sent you guys about cart and I r L

482
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Speaker 1: is like people just got tired of listening to the

483
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Speaker 1: battle and eventually they got turned off of everyone live

484
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Speaker 1: the PGA tour. They just got hired of you know,

485
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Speaker 1: rich in their eyes, rich babies winding about more money.

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Speaker 1: It's a great point. Uh, that is a real that

487
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Speaker 1: is a real danger for professional golf everywhere. Really, yeah,

488
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Speaker 1: I mean we had John rom versus Colin Morikawa, everybody,

489
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Speaker 1: every name brand, Like I think Brendan Prath tweeted at

490
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Speaker 1: one time there was a screenshot of the of the

491
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Speaker 1: um the leaderboard and every player in the top ten

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Speaker 1: was a writer cover And I mean we had that.

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Speaker 1: It was a dream leaderboard and people weren't watching. Now

494
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Speaker 1: again where we like, was there more shutdowns last year

495
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Speaker 1: so more people were in their house and blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of factors. I'm not saying that's the

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Speaker 1: only factor, but I just think less people watching a

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Speaker 1: better field tournament with more money might not be the

499
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Speaker 1: might not be the way forward. You know. Uh, it's

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Speaker 1: just one off, no problem, over and over and over again.

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Speaker 1: It's concerning that people are just tired of golf. That's

502
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Speaker 1: a good point. It's such a pleasing telecast with all

503
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Speaker 1: the scenery and all the crazy shots, Like, we're not

504
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Speaker 1: enjoying this telecast that I don't know if to tell you.

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Speaker 1: But just to Ryan's point about people being turned off

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Speaker 1: by this whole by the rhetoric, uh, and and the bitchiness.

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Speaker 1: I was talking to some live folks last week because

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Speaker 1: I'm still trying to get another audience from Greg Norman's,

509
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Speaker 1: and they said, well, we're kind of shutting Norman down

510
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Speaker 1: because he always takes the bait. You know, he just

511
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Speaker 1: can't help himself. But every interview tries to wind him

512
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Speaker 1: up and then he says something inflammatory and then it

513
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Speaker 1: just goes around the world and then there's live executives

514
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Speaker 1: that it doesn't it doesn't serve us. Well, like we're

515
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Speaker 1: afraid of turning off fans, we're afraid of overshadowing that

516
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Speaker 1: we're trying to do here, and so there is so

517
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Speaker 1: it's your there is some awareness amongst the stakeholders that, uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, it was fun and juicy for a long time,

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Speaker 1: and of course we talked about it, wrote about and

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Speaker 1: it gave us. As I've said before, it was a

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Speaker 1: gift from the content gods. But I think, yeah, there

522
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Speaker 1: may be a weariness they're saying Ryan and I had

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Speaker 1: to gooth sides of the wise to be aware of that,

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Speaker 1: you know, when Ryan tweeted, When Ryan tweeted that about

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Speaker 1: the viewership being down, you know, I think the rhetoric

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Speaker 1: on on Twitter has cooled. Alan I don't know if

527
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Speaker 1: you feel that, but like I used to tweet like

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Speaker 1: camp Smith was the better, you know, the best player

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Speaker 1: in the world, and he'd be like, oh, you just

530
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Speaker 1: love Live, right, and like he'd you know, screw him,

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Speaker 1: he left or whatever. And there's just not that much

532
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Speaker 1: of that anymore. And and I and I don't take

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Speaker 1: it as people like or dislike Live any less. It's

534
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Speaker 1: they're worn out. They're like worn out of all of it.

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Speaker 1: They're tired. I mean, we were all tired of it

536
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:47,520
Speaker 1: on Twitter, right, like again, uh when I said it

537
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Speaker 1: on the podcast Lesson and then I went and read

538
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Speaker 1: that article that I sent you guys. I mean, people

539
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Speaker 1: just get tired of it. A bunch of millionaires and

540
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:58,719
Speaker 1: billionaires fighting over more millions and more billions gets exhausting

541
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Speaker 1: after a while, and one wants to watch it. And

542
00:28:01,840 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 1: IndyCar never recovered, and I'm concerned that's where golf is

543
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 1: headed and then implied and everything you're saying, Ryan, I think,

544
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Speaker 1: is this fundamental fact that Live will never fix. No

545
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Speaker 1: one will ever fix it. It's just the nature of golf, slow,

546
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Speaker 1: contemplative game. So you gotta you know, you have a

547
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Speaker 1: young audience that can watch college basketball or the NFL

548
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Speaker 1: or golf. You had to say with this broadcast for

549
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:37,040
Speaker 1: three plus hours to get to anything remotely resembling adanument.

550
00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:43,840
Speaker 1: Basketball and football are total NonStop fix. I know in

551
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Speaker 1: college football or the NFL, they're not using whatever you've

552
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:52,640
Speaker 1: done them, won't it's a little friends for you, Ryan, Okay, Yeah, yeah,

553
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:59,120
Speaker 1: it's it's um. I know the downside to Tiger Woods

554
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Speaker 1: arrival and to talk about we're gonna open a golf

555
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Speaker 1: course a day and golf can become the part of

556
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Speaker 1: the Big Four. Like golf has always been a boutique sport.

557
00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 1: It's always going to be, and I think the game

558
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,040
Speaker 1: runs into problems when it tries to do something that

559
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Speaker 1: it's not. And it's you just have to you have

560
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Speaker 1: to keep the hardcore fans happy that the casual fans

561
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Speaker 1: will tune in for the Masters in the US Open Tiger.

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Speaker 1: But you know the real question for when you look

563
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Speaker 1: at the ratings is it's not why community, why can

564
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Speaker 1: golf not compete with football? It's why why I have

565
00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 1: some of the hardcore fans turned away from the town

566
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Speaker 1: like cats, Like that's where the soul SURGECT should be

567
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Speaker 1: and it's a it's a small number, it's a small tribe,

568
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Speaker 1: but it is important. Um. You know again, there was

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Speaker 1: like with this tournament started on on on Thursday. It

570
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Speaker 1: wasn't on TV. You know, you had traditional TV. You

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Speaker 1: had to you had to go to ESPN Plus for

572
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Speaker 1: the streaming and even then they only had um future

573
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Speaker 1: groups in certain holes. It's like all this anticipation, it's

574
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Speaker 1: opening day and it was like you had a lot

575
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Speaker 1: of people had to have the app to have to

576
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Speaker 1: sign up for the street trial, had to like he

577
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Speaker 1: was like, you know, if you're a bar, they're never

578
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Speaker 1: gonna be able to turn it on for you. It's

579
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Speaker 1: just like, oh, man, like why does golf always do

580
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Speaker 1: this to itself? It's just be especially somewhere beautiful like this,

581
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Speaker 1: but it looks great on TV and you might might

582
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Speaker 1: snag some casual fans, like in prime time, in prime

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Speaker 1: prime time. What was it what was like to be

584
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Speaker 1: for you to be back in the saddle. It's been

585
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Speaker 1: a while since you've been to a PGA Tour event.

586
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Speaker 1: I don't know when when. The last one would have

587
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Speaker 1: been maybe at the British Open, which is not even

588
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Speaker 1: ordinary PG Tour event by any means, yeah, it was.

589
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Speaker 1: It was a tour championship. And but even that one,

590
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Speaker 1: I was, I was, I was there. I didn't stayed

591
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Speaker 1: for the finish. I was ere a kount for the

592
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Speaker 1: early week announcements and and did interviews and the features,

593
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Speaker 1: and um, so I haven't, I haven't, I haven't. This

594
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Speaker 1: is the hardest I've grounded out in a tournament a

595
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Speaker 1: long time. It's been fun, you know. I did a

596
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Speaker 1: big piece on Thursday kind of what it all means,

597
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Speaker 1: big picture for the parting like the dot com uh.

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Speaker 1: And then on Friday wrote about George Speth and Tom

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Speaker 1: Kim this budding friendship and mentorship, which that was really

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Speaker 1: keypes to. I really enjoyed that one. I'm gonna have

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Speaker 1: a big Amonahan thing that will drop here in an

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Speaker 1: hour two and then I'll write, am My, some really

603
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Speaker 1: fun reporting from my markcow at rom Peace and you know,

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Speaker 1: probably right now and playing right home tonight and you know,

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Speaker 1: done some videos now we're doing we're doing this this podcast.

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Speaker 1: So I enjoyed it. I mean, it's a great week

607
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Speaker 1: for the reporters. The average fans aren't always tuned into

608
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Speaker 1: like if you go to if you go to lambeau

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Speaker 1: Field like that, it's very defined where you do interviews,

610
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Speaker 1: where it's it's immutable. Nothing ever changed for Cheesu season,

611
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Speaker 1: but every week, every different venue, where the locker room is,

612
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Speaker 1: the practice facilities, how the players moved from point at

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Speaker 1: a point B. Some weeks it's really easy to get guys,

614
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Speaker 1: and some weeks it's really difficult. But this is this

615
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Speaker 1: is a great week because it's intimate, there's very few fans.

616
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Speaker 1: The way everything's configured, there's always little spaces where you

617
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Speaker 1: can guys aside and get them one on one. And

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Speaker 1: so I had an ex greamely productive week, not just

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Speaker 1: in what the content I'm pumping out already, but banking

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Speaker 1: for fature stories and for this book. So it was

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Speaker 1: it was great fun. I had had a fun week,

622
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Speaker 1: and there was a media party on Friday night. You

623
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Speaker 1: can eat and drink and you should skip those kind

624
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Speaker 1: of things. But here is I don't know. I was

625
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Speaker 1: in spirit, so a little smoothing and see people in

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Speaker 1: the pool the elevator. Did you hear anybody mentioned the

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Speaker 1: name Bryson deshambo Um? No it you know, Actually I

628
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Speaker 1: was I was talking to Mark Rowl thinking, of course

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Speaker 1: is the patriarch of Capalua, and he had a whole

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Speaker 1: riff about all the guys he he misses because he

631
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Speaker 1: really afforded personal relationship with them, like he loved Dustin.

632
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Speaker 1: He told me something really funny Dustin partying in New

633
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Speaker 1: Year's um tales, including the time that Dustin borrowed Mark

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Speaker 1: Ralfin's pickup truck and abound up abandoning it at the

635
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Speaker 1: wrong hotel. They couldn't find it for days, like classic

636
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: dust and uh. And he had a he had a

637
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 1: picture he called up in his phone. He was talking

638
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: to Phil Nicholson right by the eight team green because

639
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: you know Phil, last year came he'd wanted his a

640
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: PG championship unexpectedly right at h fifty one. I felt

641
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,400
Speaker 1: like your respect of all the live stuff, you know,

642
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 1: who knows. I felt like he brought like twenty people.

643
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 1: It was like everybody'd ever met in his life. It

644
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 1: was just they blew it out and so no Phil,

645
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,800
Speaker 1: you know cam Smith locker. It was interesting that he

646
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: had a nameplate and an empty locker. I don't know

647
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 1: why they did that. Um and it was kind of poignant,

648
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 1: you know, it was like just crammed in with all

649
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: the other guys, and there's Cam's empty empty locker, you know,

650
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: defending Champs um So. And you know, Rali said, Man,

651
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: I'm sad because I I think I think Cam Smith

652
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 1: could be the next Tom Watson, and I'm not sure

653
00:33:44,120 --> 00:33:45,520
Speaker 1: we'll ever find out how good he could really be

654
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 1: played on with. And so he was like, he's the

655
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: guy who could have come back from the year after year.

656
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: He could have made his mark on this tournament, on

657
00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 1: this golf course and proof we're all gone. And so yeah,

658
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: Ralfie more than anybody know. He's kind of the heart

659
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,680
Speaker 1: people this whole place. So uh he he misses the players.

660
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,160
Speaker 1: Everyone else, you know, we've moved on, screw those guys,

661
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: but he was a little more honest about it. It

662
00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: is wild too, And I know we've brought this up

663
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 1: probably everyone, but it is wild. Like Brason de Shamba

664
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: was the best player in the world not very long ago,

665
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: and he is just like Brooks too. And you know,

666
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,239
Speaker 1: Dustin to some extent, maybe Dustin is a little more

667
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 1: prominent in all of our thought process, but man, it's wild.

668
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: It is wild. And those guys, as we talked about

669
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:33,880
Speaker 1: last week, desperately needed good finish at some of these

670
00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: majors this year to just be relevant. Yeah, I mean none.

671
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 1: I don't think any of us were playing. We're paying

672
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 1: close attention to the day and day stuff on on

673
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,399
Speaker 1: the Live Tour, but Dustin was playing at the entire level.

674
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:52,320
Speaker 1: He's contending week after week. He won. He was a

675
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: season long champion and his team was won the championship. Like,

676
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:57,759
Speaker 1: if you play well enough there, you will be in

677
00:34:57,840 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: some headlines and you will get some coverage. So Dustin

678
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,719
Speaker 1: helped make himself relevant. He contended to British Open and

679
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,839
Speaker 1: this and that. So, um, I mean, you're right, it's

680
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 1: a guy like like Bryce and he struggled all year

681
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: on Live like he's just he doesn't existing. It's wild. Um,

682
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:18,760
Speaker 1: what was Mark like? And to defeat very classy, signed

683
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:25,439
Speaker 1: every autograph, was super gracious, every volunteer, you know, yeah

684
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 1: yeah yeah, at one point uh yeah, two point seven

685
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: of the winner. But it was but you know how,

686
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,400
Speaker 1: you know how we do it, Michael, like you and

687
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: I with the observational reporting. It's like at the end

688
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,640
Speaker 1: of it, I kind of waited for Colin to come

689
00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: out of the locker room and the facade had kind

690
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: of melted away. Shoot was untouched. He's wearing flip flaws.

691
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: They had given him a leg to where coming off

692
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 1: the eighteenth creed long gone discarded, and he looked pretty beaten,

693
00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 1: like he's definitely in the danger zone. I mean, obviously

694
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: flying start to his career, two major championship. He's still

695
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 1: only twenty five. I mean, he's got all the time

696
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 1: in the world to get back to where he was,

697
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,600
Speaker 1: but struggling with his swing a little bit. Um didn't

698
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 1: hasn't one in a year and a half, had a

699
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 1: two way misgoing for part to last year, which no

700
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 1: pro really wants to have, and now in the last

701
00:36:20,360 --> 00:36:23,719
Speaker 1: month he's got his teeth kicked in twice on Sunday. Um,

702
00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: there's some scar tissue there. And you know when guys

703
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,479
Speaker 1: are candid, like you know, uh, you know, and Phil

704
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:33,120
Speaker 1: is really candida about what Wingfut did to him. You know,

705
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: he said two years to recover from that. This is

706
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: in the US Open. Colin does not have the annual

707
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: psychodrama like philmed but nevertheless, like he's these things leave

708
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: scar tissue, and uh, to do it twice and back

709
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: to back in such proximity, it's uh, it's it's tough man.

710
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 1: He's gonna have to rebuild himself. When he laid the

711
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:59,560
Speaker 1: side over on fourteen fifteen whatever, that one was like,

712
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: well that was that was like, I mean, you can

713
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: make bogis as a pro. And I think all of us,

714
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: Johnny Miller obviously overuse the word like you know, nerves

715
00:37:11,120 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 1: and pressure and all that kind of stuff, like sometimes

716
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: you just don't play great golf. But there was like

717
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,759
Speaker 1: the few highlights I saw on Twitter, We're like, whoa

718
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: this guy that looked like the pressure got to him

719
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: or he just didn't trust his swinging off or whatever

720
00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: not the pressure got to him. But like, you know,

721
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: you're holding on pros, no, like you're holding out of

722
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: these swing changes. I think I read it like Peter

723
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: Costas said, like a real test of whether a swing

724
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:39,839
Speaker 1: change is working is when it's under pressure and rom

725
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: got close and the swing change didn't work. You know,

726
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: not that it's not gonna work long term, just in

727
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:49,400
Speaker 1: this instant it's not gonna well. In which was a

728
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: very easily drive ablepar four, you know more account missed

729
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 1: in the bunker, which with the pin was as a

730
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,799
Speaker 1: tough bunker shot, but then brained it over the green

731
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 1: like everyone was making out worst of three there and

732
00:38:02,719 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: he made a five like that was brutal. And then yeah,

733
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:10,799
Speaker 1: they left that ship and just it was And then

734
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:12,560
Speaker 1: of course you think about what happened to Hero that

735
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,479
Speaker 1: that snipe into the into the bushes that really cost

736
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 1: of and he also chunk to chip there, like it

737
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: wasn't just it wasn't just one thing to heard him like, Okay,

738
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: I just had a bad day with the driver, and

739
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 1: I could the tight course, I couldn't get around, like

740
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,040
Speaker 1: this is super wide golf course, like it's very playable,

741
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:31,080
Speaker 1: and but all parts of his game were leaky, you know.

742
00:38:31,160 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: It was there's a lot of mistakes, well swings. It

743
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 1: was short game and he's missing five, six, eight flours.

744
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:41,839
Speaker 1: He had to make like a total breakdown. So if

745
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,479
Speaker 1: it was just one swing the motor pattern here, like okay,

746
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 1: I just need more reps, but it we went deeper

747
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: than that. So that's that's the troublesome thing. Like he's

748
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: got a few he's got to tighten up a lot

749
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:55,120
Speaker 1: of stuff. Orkay, can I ask you guys a question

750
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:59,400
Speaker 1: on a on a semi related sevenect Gordon's sergeant a

751
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:03,400
Speaker 1: year old. I think sophomore at Vanderbilt got an invitation

752
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: to the Masters. Um. It's not something that happens every day.

753
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,880
Speaker 1: It's totally actually out of the ordinary for the for

754
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:13,239
Speaker 1: the for the modern Masters. Back in the day, it

755
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: would not have been maybe s ordinary when they were

756
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,759
Speaker 1: giving out more invitations to more aminent golfers. But how

757
00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 1: do you guys read that that invitation? What do you

758
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:26,160
Speaker 1: think is actually going on there? The PGA Tour called

759
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: and said, hey, can you get this guy one? And

760
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 1: we'd like to keep our young players please, and we'd

761
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,080
Speaker 1: like to show them how great the PGA Tour is.

762
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:37,720
Speaker 1: I think that's probably the end of the story, because

763
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: there's just no way that it's not like like I

764
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,439
Speaker 1: would guess that the Green Jackets are pro PGA Tour.

765
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 1: They're obviously smart enough to not kind of play it

766
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:53,400
Speaker 1: down the line, and uh, you know, Sergeant is by

767
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,799
Speaker 1: far and away. It seems like one of the best

768
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: young players coming up and they want to keep the

769
00:39:58,040 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 1: end of story. To me, Yeah, that that has the

770
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,920
Speaker 1: ring of truth. I mean, there has been a movement

771
00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: for a while to include the double a champion among

772
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: AUTOMATICUM invites to the Masters, and as uh, you know,

773
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 1: fred Ridley, who was the last US Amateur champion not

774
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,400
Speaker 1: to turn pro. He's the answer to the trivir question.

775
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: He certainly venerates the amateur game and he's been involved

776
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:26,840
Speaker 1: in his whole life. And so I could see that

777
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: and something this was being discussed. That's something he wanted.

778
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: He wasn't st pull the trigger. And then yeah, a

779
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,319
Speaker 1: few phone calls from Jay and Tiger and Rory maybe

780
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: nudge in one direction. But um, I think I think

781
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,239
Speaker 1: it's the right call. I mean, the amateurs always add

782
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: had a nice touch. There's only eighty guys in the field.

783
00:40:45,400 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 1: He's the eightieth player in the master's field. I mean

784
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 1: it's really small. There's been some years where they've gotten

785
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: it up up into the into the nineties and approached

786
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 1: a hundred I mean eight players at a major like

787
00:40:57,600 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: and you know a bunch of them are are past

788
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: champs or let's say past their prime. Like it's a

789
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: time you feel they who they would be. It might

790
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 1: behoove them to invite some other guys and just just

791
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: to get more depth. I mean, to be wild if

792
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 1: if winning the Master's got to fewer world ranking points

793
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: than winning you know, l I opened but it could happen,

794
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: you know now that the changes are stacked towards bigger fields.

795
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: I'm not suggesting that really the Green Jackets care about that,

796
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: but it's really where the games headed. Like it's acceptance

797
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,160
Speaker 1: that bigger the field, the harder is to win. That's

798
00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,120
Speaker 1: baked in the world ranking out and so I have

799
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 1: only eighty guys in them after that, um, I think

800
00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: that they think they looked around and said, yeah, let's

801
00:41:41,120 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 1: expand this a little bit, so we'll see if any

802
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,360
Speaker 1: any others come down the line. Though, that's an interesting

803
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: subtext in this era where again no major has to

804
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: use the world ranking because it's as it's criteria for

805
00:41:52,520 --> 00:41:54,320
Speaker 1: filling out the field. That's just been the recent tradition.

806
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 1: It used to be the money list, it used to

807
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,279
Speaker 1: be other things like so maybe maybe this is also

808
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: the Green Jackets set a way of the emphasizing the

809
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: world ranking and saying, you know what we recognize as

810
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 1: flawed right now, and we're just we're an invitational or

811
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: we're going to really lean into that so we don't

812
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:10,359
Speaker 1: bite ten more guys. And I think I think that'd

813
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:12,399
Speaker 1: be cool. Why not when you think about a player

814
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,279
Speaker 1: like Wills Altars who grew up playing a lot of

815
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:20,200
Speaker 1: golf with Lanny Watkins and Lanny's sons, and uh played

816
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 1: a lot of golf with Lee Trubino. Um, there's a

817
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: golfer who's in this system of the pathway to the

818
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,560
Speaker 1: PGA Tour. Cam Smith is not in that system, and

819
00:42:32,640 --> 00:42:35,400
Speaker 1: even Brooks, Cupcambryson, Dish and Bow and Dustin Johnson are

820
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: not really in that system. Um, but uh, young Gordon

821
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 1: Sergeant could be and you if you're the PGA Tour,

822
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: you would want him to be. And guys of course

823
00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: returning pro younger and younger right now. Uh So with

824
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: all that in mind, I think it's smart, right I mean,

825
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:02,880
Speaker 1: ire Michael, I think it's smart too. And the changes

826
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: with p G A two or you, um, you know,

827
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 1: make it easier. He used to be towards seniors. Now

828
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: you can earn points enough that basically, you know, Gordon Sargent,

829
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: assuming he can meet some milestones, can walk right onto

830
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: the PGA Tour whatever year he wants to turn pro.

831
00:43:20,800 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: So I mean there's we have said many times on

832
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: this podcast that to me, the PGA Tour losing older

833
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 1: guys at seven doesn't really mean much but they start

834
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:36,920
Speaker 1: losing and see a champions or US Amateur champions and

835
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: they have already. Uh that that's the core problem of

836
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 1: of what the future is, assuming that live is playing

837
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 1: the long game, right. You want the dream machine to

838
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:52,399
Speaker 1: be for any American kid. Of course it's a great,

839
00:43:52,440 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: big world out there, but let's just speak for for

840
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 1: a minute for American kids. And of course America does

841
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 1: produce a tremendous amount of golf talent. You want the

842
00:44:00,560 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: dream machine to be play really good college golf for

843
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,080
Speaker 1: a year or two or three or four and play

844
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: your way onto the PHA Tour because that's what has

845
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,720
Speaker 1: worked forever. And if that stops working, then the PA

846
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 1: Tour really has a problem. I talked to Tom Kimn

847
00:44:15,760 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 1: this week most have ever spent time with them, and

848
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 1: it was it was cute. He said, I've only ever

849
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 1: dreamed about playing the PJA Tour. That's what I grew up.

850
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:24,959
Speaker 1: That's that's dream has never left me and I can't

851
00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:28,360
Speaker 1: wrap my head around any other dream. And uh, it

852
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,920
Speaker 1: was just kind of a throwback, like there's something powerful

853
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:34,759
Speaker 1: about about that. It's what you watched, it's what it's

854
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 1: what was that was your target and he's young enough,

855
00:44:37,360 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 1: I guess to still be it an idealist. So I

856
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,880
Speaker 1: think there's some that's probably the strongest thing that tour has.

857
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 1: I mean, product against product is definitely better than Live.

858
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 1: I think they'll do that, but it's probably the baked

859
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: in nostalgia and the years and years of of Uh.

860
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: He was aspirational and it's hard to let go of that,

861
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:59,360
Speaker 1: especially for these young guys. You know, when you go

862
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,360
Speaker 1: to these court own dramas and like, you know what,

863
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: the prosecutor makes his argument, You're like, yeah, that's really good,

864
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:06,359
Speaker 1: and then the defense gets up there, Yeah that's really good.

865
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: Like you don't know where which way to go. So

866
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:09,919
Speaker 1: now that you've been sort of going back and forth

867
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 1: between Live and the PGA Tour, do you find yourself

868
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: sort of how are you handling the whiplash of it all? Yeah?

869
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: That that's it's a good question because what I'm always

870
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,319
Speaker 1: talking to people on both sides and they're they're all

871
00:45:21,680 --> 00:45:26,960
Speaker 1: very passionate, and it does like it does sway you

872
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: nudges you, um, you know I And it's been interesting,

873
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: Like I got my hands on this hundred and sixteen

874
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:37,719
Speaker 1: page Perspectives from the World Golf series, which is what

875
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: became the PGL, which is what basically Live people stole.

876
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 1: And when you when you read through this document, which

877
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,759
Speaker 1: is really well thought out and really well written by

878
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,720
Speaker 1: this guy, Andy Gardeners' obsessive golf fan and successful corporate

879
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,439
Speaker 1: attorney type in the UK. Everything it's like this great

880
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:56,839
Speaker 1: pieces and it makes sense and you get fired up, like, yeah,

881
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: that's awesome. In practice it hasn't looked out quite as well,

882
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: but I think all of all the golf was right

883
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: for change. Like like you said, I mean, it doesn't

884
00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: appeal to a lot of sports fans. This is too slow,

885
00:46:09,320 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 1: it's too boring. It's not the world we're living anymore.

886
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: But it's also it's charmed. So Live represents this jazz

887
00:46:15,680 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: year new way of packaging it. The tour represents, you know,

888
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 1: kind of the old virtues of the game. I see,

889
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:26,239
Speaker 1: I see the merit and both sides, and I think's

890
00:46:26,280 --> 00:46:30,080
Speaker 1: gonna run for office, Unlike just like play that right

891
00:46:30,239 --> 00:46:35,880
Speaker 1: down the middle. I mean it's just like yet Ryan, also, Alan,

892
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,360
Speaker 1: you can run that. You can run with this Switzerland

893
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: thing for a while. Yeah words of Switzerland. I know

894
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: you can't and you won't. That's part of my things.

895
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 1: I haven't finished the books, so I don't want people

896
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: to know my true feelings because then drop after readers. Right,

897
00:46:57,080 --> 00:47:00,320
Speaker 1: But I mean like, I don't even that's like asking

898
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 1: a question about social security and we ended up on

899
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,640
Speaker 1: like the border. You know, what the hell did you

900
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,759
Speaker 1: just say? Like? Oh, and this I me talking to

901
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 1: like we were on the PGL The man just asked

902
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:14,799
Speaker 1: you whether you like to live or the PGA tour.

903
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: We're talking about a sixteen hundred sixteen page document. What

904
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:24,399
Speaker 1: the fun did you just say? Let the record show

905
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: Ryan's first f momb of this broadcast tssib me the

906
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: first of the new year. That's valid, Ryan, I'll take something.

907
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 1: But I've said this before. My idea of neutrality is

908
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 1: being critical on both sides. I think that's going to

909
00:47:39,560 --> 00:47:41,360
Speaker 1: be the tone of my book, and I think that

910
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:45,160
Speaker 1: reflects my innermost feelings. Well, I see the merrit what

911
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 1: both sides have done. They both have screwed things up

912
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: left and right. It's fun to get into that super

913
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 1: super super nerdy question. What pg L did they ever

914
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:58,920
Speaker 1: have Saudi backing or the promise of Saudi backing? Even yes,

915
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: so this is He's all gonna be in chapter five, Michael.

916
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: But yeah, the um, I'm already bored on, so just

917
00:48:05,760 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: give me the answering reflected general public. Yes, so they

918
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: they needed more money. The Saudies were not part of it.

919
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,080
Speaker 1: It was basically all European and some Australian money. But

920
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:24,360
Speaker 1: as things progressed and you know, the tour and European

921
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 1: Tour through the Strategic Alliance in two thousand twenty, and

922
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 1: it became clear that they were gonna need more of

923
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 1: a war chest and if the players were gonna jump,

924
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 1: they needed upfront guaranteed money. They didn't have that. They

925
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 1: went to the Saudis to help finance it. On the

926
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: saudiastl Andy Andy Gardner people went to the SU and

927
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 1: the studies like, wow, this is a cool idea. Thanks,

928
00:48:43,719 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: We're gonna in every word of this hundred sixty page

929
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: document and we're gonna call it live golf. And that's

930
00:48:49,400 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: more or less what they did. And I totally expect

931
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: this will get litigated in various jurisdictions because when you

932
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 1: read this PGL document, I mean it is the live

933
00:48:58,680 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: golf to a t. Maybe they had the nickname the

934
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:05,080
Speaker 1: Niblicks for one of the Jeams. No, but do you

935
00:49:05,200 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: have a list of a proved names And it's like

936
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:09,880
Speaker 1: the Wholfhounds, the Samurai. You could see them for being

937
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: stupid if they did. Was Norman ever associated with PGF No, No,

938
00:49:15,600 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 1: not to my knowledge, he he was. He was associated

939
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,280
Speaker 1: with the Saudis and they had this first Shaudy Golf summow.

940
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:26,360
Speaker 1: He was a paid speaker. And so this is actually,

941
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: I think what's gonna be interesting in this book to

942
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 1: a lot of people is the cloak and dag or

943
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:35,279
Speaker 1: courtroom knock out, boardroom drama, and the backstabbing and the

944
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:38,839
Speaker 1: betrayal because to the top executive from the PGL went

945
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:42,080
Speaker 1: over to Live Golf and that was like, you know,

946
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: we talk about the hat feels in the McCoys and

947
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:49,239
Speaker 1: so it's just it's fascinating how this idea worked its

948
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 1: way through this whole ecosystem. All the people who touched

949
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: it were affected by it. And that was actually something

950
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:58,279
Speaker 1: I asked Monahanton because I've been trying to what did

951
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 1: Jay know and when did he know? They actually say

952
00:50:00,640 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 1: that about Nixon and water Gate, And I finally got

953
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,799
Speaker 1: Monahan on record that he had heard about this World

954
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: Golf series which was the three cursor of the PGL

955
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: in two thousand seventeen, and so that was an interesting

956
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:13,280
Speaker 1: piece of the puzzle to me. I got join Speed,

957
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 1: who was a player director back then, to amplify some

958
00:50:16,920 --> 00:50:18,759
Speaker 1: of that. And like, this has been kicking around for

959
00:50:18,760 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 1: a long time. Different iteration. I'm sure remember when when

960
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:25,879
Speaker 1: Davis told us, uh that, he said to Jay, you're

961
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,279
Speaker 1: you're freaking out here? What are you so nervous about? Basically, yeah,

962
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: a lot. There's a lot to be nervous about. A

963
00:50:32,040 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 1: lot of smart people didn't really see a threat coming

964
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: or downplayed it or didn't know how to react or

965
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: got got caught, you know, sleep at the wheel and

966
00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 1: picked your metaphor. But um, it's fastening to tease it

967
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 1: all out. And that's that's where I am in the book.

968
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 1: And so it's had reporting in real time. This week

969
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:52,440
Speaker 1: has been cool. We had a pandemic going on. I

970
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,840
Speaker 1: mean I remember talking to Norman in this period early

971
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: two first let's say, three months of the pandemic and

972
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: Norman's working on this thing every day and like, I'm stunned.

973
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:06,600
Speaker 1: Here's this impetuous man who's like, yeah, we'll wait it out.

974
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:10,680
Speaker 1: Waited out, we've never had this pandemic before. How are

975
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,520
Speaker 1: you gonna be a who's gonna be alive at the

976
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 1: end of this thing? Well, it's all part of it.

977
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 1: Because the pandemic. European Tour is getting killed and they're

978
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:21,759
Speaker 1: playing they're playing events with you know, the person like

979
00:51:21,800 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: twenty bucks, and that became an opening for the PGL.

980
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: They tried to partner for the European Tour that got

981
00:51:28,600 --> 00:51:32,040
Speaker 1: Monahan's antenna. Of all of a sudden, you know, the

982
00:51:32,320 --> 00:51:35,120
Speaker 1: PGA Tour swooped in with the strategic alliance that was

983
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 1: they didn't they didn't care about the Europeans or what

984
00:51:37,000 --> 00:51:40,600
Speaker 1: they cared about was rebuffing these outside influences and so

985
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: and and then at some point that the European Tour

986
00:51:44,120 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: then they had given up their leverage and so they've

987
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: been easily cast aside because they're like it is fascinating

988
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,800
Speaker 1: as a as as a cloak and dagger business story.

989
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:55,720
Speaker 1: It's it's so much fun to piece it all together,

990
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:57,759
Speaker 1: like and there's a lot of people don't know, and

991
00:51:57,800 --> 00:51:59,879
Speaker 1: there's a ton that I've learned along in the way

992
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:04,680
Speaker 1: and getting all these you know, uh, big time corporate

993
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 1: dudes and and financiers, lawyers to talk to me. That's

994
00:52:08,840 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 1: been a fun challenge. And so I'm getting more and

995
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:13,600
Speaker 1: more excited about this book because I get deeper into it,

996
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 1: because I'm feeling back all these mysteries, and people are

997
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: starting to give it up and start starting to get

998
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: a deeper understanding of how we got to this moment.

999
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 1: I need the broad strips, of course, but it runs

1000
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: really deep and it's a cool story. Can we let

1001
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 1: our poor producer, Jake, who's probably just I mean, I

1002
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: would love to have a cam on. So for those

1003
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,759
Speaker 1: that don't know, Jake Muldoonney is our producer, A die

1004
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: hard Packers fan. I'm a Lions fan. But the Lions

1005
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 1: lost so today or the Seahawks one today, so the

1006
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,680
Speaker 1: Lions don't have a chance. But the Lions and the

1007
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: Packers are currently playing for the last playoff spot. The

1008
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: Packers need to win to get in. It's sixteen to

1009
00:52:55,280 --> 00:53:00,520
Speaker 1: thirteen currently, and Jake usually like slams chairs and like

1010
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:04,160
Speaker 1: goes insane during the game. So I can only imagine

1011
00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,560
Speaker 1: what this poor guy is going through as we'd like

1012
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,319
Speaker 1: talking about the golf, and it's almost the fourth quarter.

1013
00:53:10,480 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: It is the start of the fourth quarter. Currently, can

1014
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: we just let this guy go so he can go

1015
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: and sane quietly forget, forget the listener. Let's let's end

1016
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: this podcastah and have to home tonight. But let's make

1017
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 1: a nod to our corporate sponsors, Century and FedEx. Thank you,

1018
00:53:33,160 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 1: Thank you gents and ladies and gentlemen of Centry and FedEx.

1019
00:53:38,040 --> 00:53:40,839
Speaker 1: Um to use the phrase, Allen's you help us keep

1020
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:43,000
Speaker 1: the lights on and keep this whole thing going. And

1021
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 1: we're just glad to have you in our corner. I

1022
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 1: know this is not a customary role for me, but

1023
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,839
Speaker 1: I just feel moved to say that I only wish

1024
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: Mr Smith from FedEx were with us right now so

1025
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,600
Speaker 1: we might chut him up. One of them can have

1026
00:53:57,680 --> 00:54:02,600
Speaker 1: a little little interview about it terrible and I believe

1027
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 1: you met Mr Smith with Echo Shoe Soul. I would

1028
00:54:06,320 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 1: they are. Luckily we don't do a CEO interview here

1029
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: on the Fire Drill podcast. It's only myself, Alan, Michael

1030
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:17,800
Speaker 1: Bamberger and Ryan French. We appreciate you listening, Um. The

1031
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: start of a new year. We'll be come at you

1032
00:54:19,520 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: guys every Sunday more or less in perpetuity. Um. But

1033
00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 1: thanks for listening to this one. I'm gonna go catch

1034
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:29,960
Speaker 1: a sense at your Maui and Michael, Philadelphia, Brian and

1035
00:54:30,200 --> 00:54:34,480
Speaker 1: Mr Get Jake and San Diego h thanks for listening,

1036
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: thanks for being here. Happy New Year, and we'll do

1037
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:46,120
Speaker 1: it again soon. That's yet bigly to win a fortune

1038
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: with my ship game. I ran the table and thought

1039
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:55,200
Speaker 1: all then win, hit me, lack a cannon, the ball,

1040
00:54:57,360 --> 00:55:03,120
Speaker 1: and now shake losing the street. Every road I take

1041
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:08,839
Speaker 1: is a dead end street. I got thoughts in my head,

1042
00:55:09,560 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 1: can't get him out, trying not to think what I'm

1043
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:17,399
Speaker 1: thinking about. I got thoughts in my head, I can't

1044
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:20,879
Speaker 1: get him out, and trying not to think what I'm

1045
00:55:20,960 --> 00:55:21,880
Speaker 1: thinking about