WEBVTT - The Unvarnished Truth 0:00:11.880 --> 0:00:14.800 Good morning, Peeves, and welcome to Okay f Daily with 0:00:14.960 --> 0:00:19.800 me your girl Danielle Moody Recording from the Brooklyn Bunker. Folks, 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:23.079 I'm really excited to bring you today's conversation with my 0:00:23.200 --> 0:00:26.600 two dear friends who are referred to as my Latin 0:00:26.760 --> 0:00:30.960 X cousins, Julio Ricardo Valera, who is the co host 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:34.519 of in the Thick Show as well as Latino Rebels, 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:39.560 and my friend Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Maria Hinojosa, who 0:00:39.640 --> 0:00:42.840 is also the other co host of In the Thick 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:48.480 Show in the founder of Futuro Studios and Media. We've 0:00:48.479 --> 0:00:52.800 recorded this conversation while I was traveling in Washington, DC, 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:58.720 and Julio and Maria and I get into a conversation 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:02.560 about the large, just growing demographic in the United States, 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:07.920 which is the Latin X population, and we talk about 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:16.360 one the way in which white Republican straight men and 0:01:16.440 --> 0:01:21.920 I use that in quotations are using migrants as a 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:26.679 political pawn, are using human beings to score points with 0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:32.280 their rapid racist, white supremacist base. And we get into 0:01:32.280 --> 0:01:36.559 this conversation about cruelty and about the way in which 0:01:36.560 --> 0:01:41.120 the media, rather than talking about what DeSantis and Abbot 0:01:41.160 --> 0:01:45.600 are doing with migrants in the United States. Rather than 0:01:45.680 --> 0:01:48.240 referring to it as what it is, which is a 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:53.080 human rights violation, which is human trafficking, the media is 0:01:53.120 --> 0:01:55.240 talking about it as if it's like a high school 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:59.280 prank that Rhonda Santis and Abbot are playing on Vice 0:01:59.320 --> 0:02:03.800 President Harris or on the State of New York, or 0:02:03.920 --> 0:02:10.600 on Martha's vineyard. It's not right. It isn't funny. It 0:02:10.680 --> 0:02:15.079 isn't a both sides issue. If we saw this happening 0:02:15.120 --> 0:02:18.400 in other countries, the way that this media would be 0:02:18.480 --> 0:02:23.240 talking and lambasting right these people and calling them human traffickers. 0:02:23.240 --> 0:02:27.079 But you see the problem once again is that we 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:30.280 are relying on white people to police other white people, 0:02:30.600 --> 0:02:33.560 white people in power to police other white people in power. 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:36.880 That's not how society was set up. It's not howard 0:02:36.960 --> 0:02:42.560 fucking works. They don't do it. So the newsrooms are 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:47.400 filled with people who look like Ronda Santis and Greg Abbott, right, 0:02:47.880 --> 0:02:52.520 And because of this, they don't see themselves as villains, 0:02:52.560 --> 0:02:55.440 they don't see themselves as the problem, and so they 0:02:55.440 --> 0:03:01.399 don't speak about it in that way. Words matter, right, 0:03:02.080 --> 0:03:05.360 The way that we talk about these situations and how 0:03:05.400 --> 0:03:09.200 they are unfolding matters because it gives and it provides 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:13.560 more gravity and context to the situation. That's what we 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:16.800 try and do here on woke f all the time 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:21.040 is take what the mainstream media isn't talking about, or 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:24.359 examine how they are talking about it in the wrong way, 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:31.680 and bring to you, dear audience, the truth, the unvarnished truth. Sure, 0:03:31.800 --> 0:03:34.359 I drop a lot of F bombs because the current 0:03:34.360 --> 0:03:39.280 fuckery that we are living in requires it, because I 0:03:39.360 --> 0:03:42.520 want people to be outraged, but I also want us 0:03:42.560 --> 0:03:46.000 to recognize our power in getting people like the Sentis 0:03:46.040 --> 0:03:48.520 and Abbot out of fucking office. I don't want to 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:51.320 just shrug my shoulders and say, oh, they're red States 0:03:51.520 --> 0:03:53.880 and that's just the way it's gonna be. No, because 0:03:53.920 --> 0:03:57.400 guess what. Abolitionists didn't just shrug their soulders and say, well, 0:03:57.640 --> 0:04:00.400 you know, slavery's been around for one hundred of year, 0:04:00.480 --> 0:04:03.480 so that's just the way it's gonna be. We gotta 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:08.000 think bigger and we gotta do more right. And what 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:11.920 that requires is for us to get pissed off, is 0:04:12.000 --> 0:04:15.200 for us to utilize the language that is necessary to 0:04:15.240 --> 0:04:18.680 call out the cruelty and the dehumanization that is happening. 0:04:19.760 --> 0:04:24.560 To call the Maga Republican Party the white supremacist nationalist Party, 0:04:24.600 --> 0:04:28.480 the new white fucking Citizens Council Party, because that's who 0:04:28.520 --> 0:04:31.839 the fuck they are. They got all up in arms 0:04:31.839 --> 0:04:34.240 about being called semi fascist, but the word that they 0:04:34.279 --> 0:04:37.880 were actually upset about was being called semi because when 0:04:37.920 --> 0:04:41.719 you are hailing the win of a Georgia Maloney in 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:47.800 Italy who is an actual fucking fascist, oppose Mussolini as 0:04:47.839 --> 0:04:52.279 the greatest leader that Italy had ever seen. Meanwhile, they 0:04:52.360 --> 0:04:56.960 hung his ass upside down after he was killed in 0:04:57.080 --> 0:05:00.520 the town fucking square in Milan to sit to the 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:05.160 people how dangerous fascism is. But now memory short. Here 0:05:05.200 --> 0:05:08.960 she comes riding in and Republicans are all ready for 0:05:09.000 --> 0:05:13.039 the embrace. If you don't call these people out for 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:16.479 who the fuck they are, then folks won't recognize that 0:05:16.600 --> 0:05:22.040 there isn't an option in the upcoming election. There isn't 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:27.520 a real choice, because it's either you are embracing fascism, cruelty, 0:05:27.839 --> 0:05:35.400 human trafficking, sex abusers right, or you're fighting for democracy. 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:40.240 It really is that fucking stark of a difference. 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I was 0:07:15.880 --> 0:07:17.760 going to say, across the aisle, but that is not 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:21.400 the case. Uh. The co host of In the Thick 0:07:21.520 --> 0:07:26.480 and the Pulitzer Prize winning UH journalist Maria Hinojosa and 0:07:26.600 --> 0:07:36.960 Julio Riccardo Valeria UM, also founder and president of fut Media. Hello, friends, Welcome, 0:07:39.800 --> 0:07:47.560 what's up? Cousins? So what's up? I? You know? Let 0:07:47.600 --> 0:07:50.840 me tell you guys. So I want to start with 0:07:50.960 --> 0:07:58.080 everyone's favorite, UM horrendous governor, right uh, Ron Death, who 0:07:58.160 --> 0:08:00.720 I refer to as Ron Death stand because he don't 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:04.160 give not one fuck about the people in his state 0:08:04.320 --> 0:08:12.240 and their lives. But let's talk about the stunts, the dehumanization, 0:08:12.840 --> 0:08:17.120 the cruelty that is being volleyed back and forth between 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:22.720 him in Florida and Governor Abbott in Texas with migrants 0:08:22.800 --> 0:08:26.800 and basically you know. So the latest was the flight 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:33.080 to Martha's Vineyard, which everybody in on wok F knows about. Right, 0:08:34.040 --> 0:08:36.880 we know that run de Santis as far as we 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:43.960 understand now, created brochures, had people go and lie to 0:08:44.440 --> 0:08:46.760 these workers and tell them that if they get on 0:08:46.840 --> 0:08:49.080 this flight on the other side, they're going to be 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:52.840 met with housing and food and jobs and you know 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:56.480 whatever else. The Wizard of Oz told them that they 0:08:56.520 --> 0:09:00.360 were going to get and they arrived their draw off 0:09:00.360 --> 0:09:04.959 on a tarmac as if they are trash. And thank 0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:08.280 goodness that the people of Marcus Vineyard are not as 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:12.400 vile as Rond de Santas and Greg Abbott. But I 0:09:12.440 --> 0:09:16.120 just want to get each of your reactions when you 0:09:16.320 --> 0:09:21.200 heard that news, when you saw the breaking news, what 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:23.800 you thought. So Maria, I'll start with you and then Julio. 0:09:26.240 --> 0:09:28.000 First of all, it's great to be here with you, Patma, 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:32.840 and with my other Pama. Julio. Look, I'm here in mind. 0:09:32.880 --> 0:09:35.280 I'm in mind. That's true. You're my own mind. Old, 0:09:35.320 --> 0:09:37.959 that's true. We're brothers and sisters. That's true, true, true. 0:09:38.040 --> 0:09:42.960 So it's not it's not a surprise, it's shocking. Nothing 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:48.920 about this shocks me anymore, because this is the natural 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:52.640 place where you end up when you take an entire 0:09:52.800 --> 0:09:57.679 people and you make them illegal simply but you dehumanize 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:00.120 them to the extent where it does not matter what 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:05.280 what happens to them period. So this is just like 0:10:05.320 --> 0:10:10.680 the most horrific manifestation of that. I think that there's 0:10:10.720 --> 0:10:12.960 a lot, there are multiple levels. One of the things 0:10:12.960 --> 0:10:17.920 that I'm trying to do is also reframe, because you know, 0:10:17.960 --> 0:10:21.120 they have the images of the people, by the way, 0:10:21.160 --> 0:10:25.280 who have been to hell and back, and so even 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:28.840 though you put them there in these horrible circumstances and 0:10:28.880 --> 0:10:31.840 you have lied to them, they have been put in 0:10:31.960 --> 0:10:36.520 horrible circumstances and they have been lied to for their 0:10:36.679 --> 0:10:39.040 entire lives, which is why they left where they were 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:42.679 from to come here. So this does not it horrifies them, 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:44.440 right because they're like, damn, we thought better of the 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:46.880 United States. But they're not going to be like oh 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:50.680 boo hoo, like no we get No, They're gonna they're 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:53.920 gonna fight like they're suing now. They're standing up for 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:56.400 their rights and they will make a life for themselves 0:10:56.440 --> 0:11:00.560 in this country because that is who they are. So 0:11:00.840 --> 0:11:04.240 this whole, yes, they are victims, but I'm also like, yo, 0:11:04.800 --> 0:11:08.319 Martha's vineyard, and by the way, many of these these 0:11:08.360 --> 0:11:11.760 folks have places to go, They have family waiting for them. 0:11:12.440 --> 0:11:14.960 So maybe they were close to Martha's vineyard, maybe not, 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:17.040 maybe their families back in LA which is why this 0:11:17.120 --> 0:11:21.240 is so horrible. And by the way, this is human trafficking. Yep, 0:11:22.440 --> 0:11:25.960 this is human trafficking. And I'll end up by just saying, 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:31.720 is they how we understand human trafficking. There are a 0:11:31.720 --> 0:11:34.360 few things that you need to do in order to 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:40.520 be a human trafficker. You have to have people not 0:11:40.600 --> 0:11:44.680 have their documents right, you take away their documents, You 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:48.600 don't tell them where they're going, who is taking them, 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:52.520 and they are told not to speak to anyone. All 0:11:52.559 --> 0:11:55.719 of those things except for when they literally dumped them 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:58.160 on the tarmac and then they were speaking. So yeah, 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:00.840 let me. I'm gonna let my head mind chime in 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:03.120 because the horror of this and the fact that this 0:12:03.200 --> 0:12:07.720 is not and there there will be some i don't know, 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:12.319 reckoning because this is like the children in cages. It's 0:12:12.440 --> 0:12:15.120 too much and then it backfires because this is an 0:12:15.120 --> 0:12:22.640 international human rights violation. Yeah, you know, it's interesting. The 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:25.480 other show I host, Latino Rebels Radio, which is part 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:28.920 of FU Media. I a previous episode that I just did, 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:32.600 I had a local reporter from San Antonio. Maria, you'll 0:12:32.600 --> 0:12:34.120 love this. You know, I haven't even told you this yet. 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:41.360 Nonprofit local journalists from San Antonio who covers the migration, 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:44.319 you know, the individuals that have been in San Antonio 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:46.840 who were part of the ones that went on the plane. 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:52.400 It's interesting, I asked her, So, how what's the mood, 0:12:52.559 --> 0:12:56.800 you know, because there's this they were duped, right, there 0:12:56.800 --> 0:12:58.680 were people that were duped. There was this person called 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:02.480 Bella who would be showing up at these you know, 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:05.040 these migrants were saying that they would perils around and 0:13:06.000 --> 0:13:08.040 you know, no one knows who per Lie is, but 0:13:08.160 --> 0:13:11.760 supposedly she's the one that told a lot of these individuals, 0:13:11.880 --> 0:13:15.240 mostly all from Venezuela, which is another complicated mess about 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:18.160 all this that we could get into, but that you know, 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:19.920 they were going to be promised this and this and 0:13:19.960 --> 0:13:22.240 this and they and they're like great, like this is 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:24.280 what America is all about. So they got dudes. Right, 0:13:25.120 --> 0:13:28.240 nobody knows where per Lie is and what her connections 0:13:28.280 --> 0:13:31.800 and all this. But what's interesting that the reporter told 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:37.400 me after told me that now in the migrant center, 0:13:37.679 --> 0:13:41.360 to follow up on the human trafficking labeling of this, 0:13:41.720 --> 0:13:45.160 there are signs in these places in San Antonio that 0:13:45.200 --> 0:13:47.480 are saying like be careful. You know how they say, 0:13:47.559 --> 0:13:49.720 like be careful when you take a ride from something. 0:13:49.920 --> 0:13:52.560 They're now signs of like be careful by these people 0:13:52.600 --> 0:13:55.640 who are promising you this. So if you if you 0:13:55.679 --> 0:13:59.280 see something, say something, yeah, exactly like and they say 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:04.200 human trafficking. So you know that that framing is getting lost. 0:14:04.240 --> 0:14:06.880 You know. I'm in the Boston area, so I know 0:14:06.960 --> 0:14:09.280 a lot about Martha's Vineyard. I know, you know, it's 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:11.640 not it's also the thing about Martha's Vineyard the people 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:13.440 who know it's not just the playground of the rich. 0:14:14.120 --> 0:14:17.640 It's you know, it is very immigranty. It is you know, 0:14:17.800 --> 0:14:20.080 not only it's like you have like you know that's 0:14:20.120 --> 0:14:22.320 you know, it has its history with like you know, 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:25.160 the black community. But there's people that live on Martha's 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:28.080 Vineyard who who are serving you know, the rich people 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:31.240 in Martha's Vineyard. So I've played soccer Martha's Vineyard, and 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:34.320 I was hanging out with like you know, immigrants and 0:14:34.320 --> 0:14:37.960 and and so I was not surprised by the welcome 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:40.320 from Martha's Vineyard. But I will tell you what I 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:43.200 was And maybe I wasn't surprised because you know, Boston's 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:46.880 not a progressive town. The whole media framing of this 0:14:47.120 --> 0:14:52.880 has been fucking ridiculous, Yeah, because they literally justify DeSantis 0:14:52.960 --> 0:14:55.320 as human trafficking, as if it's like, oh, he just 0:14:55.320 --> 0:14:58.040 put them on. You know, DeSantis is playing this to 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:00.880 a t. What I said in the Think with Mighty 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:04.600 a couple of weeks ago. You know, Biden, you can 0:15:04.680 --> 0:15:07.160 say what you want. Biden is like trending up again. Whatever, 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:09.240 we can get into that, whether that's but you know, 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:11.120 all of a sudden, they're like, you know, Biden's got 0:15:11.120 --> 0:15:13.240 a couple of winds, So how are we going to 0:15:13.400 --> 0:15:17.840 distract the Biden winds like the immigration, like the Inflation 0:15:17.880 --> 0:15:23.720 Reduction Act, and oh oh I know, but yeah, Republican, 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:28.160 let's well, we'll do it. We'll use immigrants because we'll 0:15:28.200 --> 0:15:32.320 just throw them under the bus. Because if we throw 0:15:32.440 --> 0:15:38.480 immigrants and refugees under the bus as Republicans, we also 0:15:38.560 --> 0:15:43.520 know that Democrats have thrown immigrants and refugees under the bus, 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:46.880 and that I think is the more the painful lesson. 0:15:47.480 --> 0:15:51.520 You know, people say, Julio has heard me say this often. Oh, Maria, 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:54.760 you're so obsessed with immigrants and refugees. You're so Mexican, 0:15:54.880 --> 0:15:57.200 you know, You're just such an immigrant, you know, And 0:15:57.280 --> 0:16:01.960 it's like, oh, really, you think that's why. I Oh interesting, 0:16:02.160 --> 0:16:06.880 I am an American citizen. So I became an American citizen. 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:09.240 So I'm demanding of this country that it live up 0:16:09.280 --> 0:16:12.400 to what it's say. But what I'm obsessed with is 0:16:12.400 --> 0:16:16.480 the capacity of this country and it's people to be 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:21.119 inhuman towards people who simply were not born in this country. 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:25.120 That's the litmus test here, the life of George Floyd, 0:16:25.240 --> 0:16:28.400 where we will kill a black man like that in 0:16:28.480 --> 0:16:32.440 front of a crowd, right, and we will, and we 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:35.160 will take you, take you away from your children, separate you, 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:37.640 put you in a cage, lie to you, fly you 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:47.280 all across the country. You have no you have no humanity. Yeah, yeah, 0:16:47.760 --> 0:16:51.280 gohead God. I was just gonna say, and I'm sure 0:16:51.320 --> 0:16:54.600 you've said this, Danielle, but like DeSantis is a much 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:59.320 more dangerous Trump, He's a smarter Trump. He is come, 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:04.639 he's more quote unquote palatable. Right, Um, I have family 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:07.040 in Florida. I've you know, they moved from Puerto Rico 0:17:07.160 --> 0:17:10.480 nineteen eighty nine. So I go to Florida a lot um. 0:17:12.240 --> 0:17:15.680 He is someone to be reckoned with because he is 0:17:15.720 --> 0:17:20.040 going he's doubling down on this Republican policy that is 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:24.240 winning him report. People think, oh, well, it's Venezuelans and 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:28.679 he spoke about the Venezuelan community. That's like, there's Venezuelans 0:17:28.680 --> 0:17:32.120 in Miami, Dad, who are like, yeah, no, it's I get, 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:33.760 I get, you know, I know what he did, and 0:17:33.800 --> 0:17:36.879 I still agree with And then they're spinning this around 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:39.080 because they're saying it's like, well, a lot of these 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:43.080 individuals actually welcomed the trip, right, so the spin has happened. 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:47.360 Oh did you not see the Washington The Washington Post, Yes, 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:51.040 did it? Did it? Art did an article a couple 0:17:51.040 --> 0:17:55.000 of weeks, like right after this, and it was an 0:17:55.119 --> 0:17:58.200 interview that they did with one of the migrants that said, 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:03.280 I am so grateful to Rondo Santis for sending me 0:18:03.720 --> 0:18:07.879 to Marcus Vineyard because now I have all of this 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:11.960 opportunity in blah blah. I said, what the fuck? And 0:18:12.000 --> 0:18:14.640 I like, I want to talk about you know what 0:18:14.680 --> 0:18:17.639 you brought up, Julio, which is the media and the 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:22.080 fact that the media here right, they weren't calling this 0:18:22.200 --> 0:18:26.879 human track trafficking. We on Twitter, we're calling it human trafficking. 0:18:27.119 --> 0:18:30.359 They weren't talking about it as cruelty. They were explaining 0:18:30.400 --> 0:18:32.000 it as if it was some type of fucking high 0:18:32.040 --> 0:18:35.080 school prank, right, like oh look at look at Ronda 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:39.040 Santis and Abbott one up being. It wasn't about people. 0:18:39.359 --> 0:18:42.360 There was no people with regard to this. They were 0:18:42.400 --> 0:18:45.359 political footballs. And so I want to talk for a 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:49.760 moment as you two, you know, have you you Mardia 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:55.840 have created a media empire that is centered around it 0:18:56.000 --> 0:19:01.240 is it is an empire that's centered around black But 0:19:02.119 --> 0:19:04.360 that's what you guys have done. And why is that? 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:09.400 Because because the mainstream media, that's the kind of ship 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:11.880 that they do. They look at black and brown people 0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:15.359 then they say, oh ha hahaha, here's another sad story. 0:19:15.440 --> 0:19:17.320 Here's another this, that and the other thing. But they're 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:19.800 not calling a thing of things. So I want to 0:19:19.840 --> 0:19:24.399 talk about the use of language here, the use of 0:19:24.560 --> 0:19:29.440 trafficking the use of cruelty, and why the media would 0:19:29.560 --> 0:19:33.240 run a story like the Washington Post did with regard 0:19:33.320 --> 0:19:36.760 to Look, these people are happy, right, They're happy to 0:19:36.840 --> 0:19:41.200 be used as political pawns. They're happy to be be humanized, right, 0:19:42.200 --> 0:19:46.320 to essentially soften the blow so that white people don't 0:19:46.359 --> 0:19:50.680 look at their reflection and say to themselves, goddamn, we're cruel. Hey, 0:19:50.680 --> 0:19:54.400 I'm David Plots of slaves. Political Gabfest. As another election 0:19:54.680 --> 0:19:58.160 season accelerates, it can be tricky to sort through all 0:19:58.280 --> 0:20:01.080 the noise and the news. Each week, on the gap Fest, 0:20:01.240 --> 0:20:04.520 John Dickerson, Emily Bathlon and I decipher the headlines, break 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:07.760 down the races, and tell you what issues really matter. 0:20:08.160 --> 0:20:11.520 We do not always agree, We definitely do not always agree, 0:20:11.840 --> 0:20:14.879 but we always deliver thoughtful debate and we always have 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:18.240 a good time. So subscribe to Slight's Political gap Fest, 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:23.040 new episodes every Thursday. Yeah. No, I'm sure that the reporter, 0:20:23.160 --> 0:20:25.760 I'm sure that the reporter who spoke to that person. 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:29.800 First of all, there's a lot there, right, How did 0:20:29.840 --> 0:20:33.920 they know that it was Ronda santistis so? But let's 0:20:33.920 --> 0:20:36.360 just say that that reporter was just like, oh my god, 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:38.360 I hit I hit a gold mine here. I've never 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:41.000 heard anybody say this. This is just so not expected. 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:45.639 The thing is is that that is so again dehumanizing, 0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:48.800 because you have no context in which to understand somebody 0:20:49.400 --> 0:20:53.200 who's in that in this position, they have been again 0:20:53.320 --> 0:20:56.520 duped lie to Suddenly somebody's with a camera and says, hey, 0:20:56.800 --> 0:20:59.639 Ronda Santists is the person who brought you here? What 0:20:59.680 --> 0:21:01.520 do you want want to say to them? And they're like, 0:21:01.600 --> 0:21:05.360 who brought you Ronda Santis? I just want to say 0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:07.480 thank you to Ronda Santist because you got me out 0:21:07.520 --> 0:21:13.080 of that ice hell detention fucking concentration camp and I'm 0:21:13.119 --> 0:21:16.920 here and I'm breathing free, and I'm gonna make it 0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:23.080 here because again, the people who are treated like less 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:28.359 than are actually so they embody the most most incredible 0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:31.960 parts of our humanity, Danielle. That is what makes me sad, right, 0:21:32.240 --> 0:21:35.359 that is why I'm like, these are people who I 0:21:35.400 --> 0:21:39.120 have met on multiple different trips, on occasions at the borders, 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:42.760 sleeping on the floor in the sidewalk, in a caravan, 0:21:42.920 --> 0:21:49.119 in a jungle, goes many that. Man, they're humanity. You know. 0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:51.399 All you hear is like, you know, human traffickers, and 0:21:51.440 --> 0:21:54.400 they're like, you know, they take advantage and they steal it. 0:21:54.400 --> 0:21:58.000 It's not safe. I'm not painting it like that. But 0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:02.359 the reason why my travel in a caravan is because 0:22:02.359 --> 0:22:06.000 that way, they can take care of each other and 0:22:06.080 --> 0:22:09.800 the caravan could be me, you and Julio Indian. This 0:22:10.240 --> 0:22:12.600 we make up the people. We look like the people 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:15.240 who are on that caravan, and we are taking care 0:22:15.280 --> 0:22:18.080 of each other. That's why when I was on the caravan, 0:22:18.160 --> 0:22:20.560 I was like, so, you have this whole community of 0:22:20.600 --> 0:22:24.640 Haitians who are moving along in the caravan, and they 0:22:24.640 --> 0:22:28.240 are being protected by a lot of brown people who 0:22:28.280 --> 0:22:31.080 are around them, who are making sure that they're not 0:22:31.160 --> 0:22:35.480 attacked because they're black. Yeah, so we don't hear that. 0:22:35.520 --> 0:22:38.720 We don't hear that level of complexity. We see that. 0:22:39.200 --> 0:22:43.399 So it breaks my heart. And I'm going to tell 0:22:43.440 --> 0:22:45.280 you something that somebody said to me because I was 0:22:45.320 --> 0:22:48.119 in Chicago right around when a lot of this was 0:22:48.200 --> 0:22:50.560 kind of hitting the front pages. I was in Chicago, 0:22:50.680 --> 0:22:54.040 my hometown, and I had a black cab driver and 0:22:54.080 --> 0:22:55.560 we were going to a hair and it was like 0:22:55.640 --> 0:22:57.440 the end of the cab drive because I was trying 0:22:57.480 --> 0:22:59.440 not to talk politics, but I did just ask him, 0:22:59.520 --> 0:23:01.640 so what do you think about this? And he said, well, 0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:05.760 I think it's I think it's I mean, I don't 0:23:05.760 --> 0:23:09.680 know why they're flying them around because we have veterans 0:23:09.720 --> 0:23:11.879 who need to be taken care of, and why are 0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:15.280 they getting this special treatment? And they shouldn't be flowing 0:23:15.320 --> 0:23:18.520 around that's treating them like really special. And I was 0:23:18.560 --> 0:23:23.560 just like, whoa what? And I said, sir, with all 0:23:23.640 --> 0:23:26.639 due respect, and I usually don't but I had not 0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:29.159 identified myself because I was with my family, so I 0:23:29.240 --> 0:23:32.160 was more just like curiosity. Other times when I'm talking 0:23:32.200 --> 0:23:35.640 to people in a cab, I identify myself and then 0:23:35.680 --> 0:23:38.840 I don't offer an opinion, right I'm interviewing them. In 0:23:38.840 --> 0:23:40.600 this case, he didn't know who I was, and I 0:23:40.600 --> 0:23:44.480 just said, so, I need to talk to you a 0:23:44.520 --> 0:23:48.639 little bit about that, and I explained to him deconstructing 0:23:48.640 --> 0:23:52.520 a situation. He was just like, oh, okay, I see. 0:23:52.960 --> 0:23:56.280 But it was very interesting that in the black community, 0:23:56.520 --> 0:24:00.880 somewhere along the line someone had been saying, oh, here 0:24:00.920 --> 0:24:03.600 they are getting that treatment, that they're getting all that, 0:24:03.680 --> 0:24:07.800 and it's like no. And the fact that I mean, 0:24:07.840 --> 0:24:09.720 I didn't see many of the pictures because I really 0:24:09.800 --> 0:24:11.240 was not trying to be part of the circus. But 0:24:12.040 --> 0:24:19.120 there migration, migrants and refugees are increasingly black, right, So 0:24:19.200 --> 0:24:22.960 this is saying a black person to another black person. No, no, 0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:25.639 you can't have that. What So we have to we 0:24:25.720 --> 0:24:29.439 have to deconstruct this all. And and that's why I 0:24:29.480 --> 0:24:31.040 took the moment. I was like, let me just try 0:24:31.040 --> 0:24:35.480 and talk like a fellow Chicagoan. And he was very receptive, 0:24:35.520 --> 0:24:38.200 by the way, very very well. That's the way you are. 0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:43.440 I mean once I've seen you in action in cabs. 0:24:44.200 --> 0:24:46.719 But but that But you're absolutely right, Daniel, Like I 0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:52.520 think what we're seeing is just how poorly we have 0:24:52.640 --> 0:24:56.679 covered this issue for years, and we've just allowed it 0:24:57.040 --> 0:25:01.480 as American like as an American journalist, like industry. It's 0:25:01.480 --> 0:25:05.639 just what it is, right. So you know, I've I 0:25:05.640 --> 0:25:07.840 wouldn't say I'm kind of done calling out the ship 0:25:07.960 --> 0:25:10.320 because you know, I've written and Maria has written in 0:25:10.359 --> 0:25:13.040 the book and written has said no, no human beings 0:25:13.040 --> 0:25:16.480 illegal based on Ellie by Cell and and I've written. 0:25:16.480 --> 0:25:19.719 You know, I had the ap like I was like, 0:25:19.800 --> 0:25:22.040 why do you continue to use like wave of migrant 0:25:22.119 --> 0:25:25.119 like I got them on record, right, But what's interesting, 0:25:25.359 --> 0:25:28.080 what's interesting, and this is what we've allowed to happen. 0:25:28.800 --> 0:25:31.639 And this is years and years and years, and Maria 0:25:31.680 --> 0:25:33.600 can can attest to this, you know, during the days 0:25:33.600 --> 0:25:36.679 of lue Dabs and CNN, and there's always two sides 0:25:36.680 --> 0:25:39.439 of everything of migration, and even when they were the 0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:43.280 big massive May Day protests of demonstrations of all these 0:25:43.320 --> 0:25:46.480