Speaker 1: Good morning, Peeves, and welcome to Okay f Daily with
Speaker 1: me your girl Danielle Moody Recording from the Brooklyn Bunker. Folks,
Speaker 1: I'm really excited to bring you today's conversation with my
Speaker 1: two dear friends who are referred to as my Latin
Speaker 1: X cousins, Julio Ricardo Valera, who is the co host
Speaker 1: of in the Thick Show as well as Latino Rebels,
Speaker 1: and my friend Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Maria Hinojosa, who
Speaker 1: is also the other co host of In the Thick
Speaker 1: Show in the founder of Futuro Studios and Media. We've
Speaker 1: recorded this conversation while I was traveling in Washington, DC,
Speaker 1: and Julio and Maria and I get into a conversation
Speaker 1: about the large, just growing demographic in the United States,
Speaker 1: which is the Latin X population, and we talk about
Speaker 1: one the way in which white Republican straight men and
Speaker 1: I use that in quotations are using migrants as a
Speaker 1: political pawn, are using human beings to score points with
Speaker 1: their rapid racist, white supremacist base. And we get into
Speaker 1: this conversation about cruelty and about the way in which
Speaker 1: the media, rather than talking about what DeSantis and Abbot
Speaker 1: are doing with migrants in the United States. Rather than
Speaker 1: referring to it as what it is, which is a
Speaker 1: human rights violation, which is human trafficking, the media is
Speaker 1: talking about it as if it's like a high school
Speaker 1: prank that Rhonda Santis and Abbot are playing on Vice
Speaker 1: President Harris or on the State of New York, or
Speaker 1: on Martha's vineyard. It's not right. It isn't funny. It
Speaker 1: isn't a both sides issue. If we saw this happening
Speaker 1: in other countries, the way that this media would be
Speaker 1: talking and lambasting right these people and calling them human traffickers.
Speaker 1: But you see the problem once again is that we
Speaker 1: are relying on white people to police other white people,
Speaker 1: white people in power to police other white people in power.
Speaker 1: That's not how society was set up. It's not howard
Speaker 1: fucking works. They don't do it. So the newsrooms are
Speaker 1: filled with people who look like Ronda Santis and Greg Abbott, right,
Speaker 1: And because of this, they don't see themselves as villains,
Speaker 1: they don't see themselves as the problem, and so they
Speaker 1: don't speak about it in that way. Words matter, right,
Speaker 1: The way that we talk about these situations and how
Speaker 1: they are unfolding matters because it gives and it provides
Speaker 1: more gravity and context to the situation. That's what we
Speaker 1: try and do here on woke f all the time
Speaker 1: is take what the mainstream media isn't talking about, or
Speaker 1: examine how they are talking about it in the wrong way,
Speaker 1: and bring to you, dear audience, the truth, the unvarnished truth. Sure,
Speaker 1: I drop a lot of F bombs because the current
Speaker 1: fuckery that we are living in requires it, because I
Speaker 1: want people to be outraged, but I also want us
Speaker 1: to recognize our power in getting people like the Sentis
Speaker 1: and Abbot out of fucking office. I don't want to
Speaker 1: just shrug my shoulders and say, oh, they're red States
Speaker 1: and that's just the way it's gonna be. No, because
Speaker 1: guess what. Abolitionists didn't just shrug their soulders and say, well,
Speaker 1: you know, slavery's been around for one hundred of year,
Speaker 1: so that's just the way it's gonna be. We gotta
Speaker 1: think bigger and we gotta do more right. And what
Speaker 1: that requires is for us to get pissed off, is
Speaker 1: for us to utilize the language that is necessary to
Speaker 1: call out the cruelty and the dehumanization that is happening.
Speaker 1: To call the Maga Republican Party the white supremacist nationalist Party,
Speaker 1: the new white fucking Citizens Council Party, because that's who
Speaker 1: the fuck they are. They got all up in arms
Speaker 1: about being called semi fascist, but the word that they
Speaker 1: were actually upset about was being called semi because when
Speaker 1: you are hailing the win of a Georgia Maloney in
Speaker 1: Italy who is an actual fucking fascist, oppose Mussolini as
Speaker 1: the greatest leader that Italy had ever seen. Meanwhile, they
Speaker 1: hung his ass upside down after he was killed in
Speaker 1: the town fucking square in Milan to sit to the
Speaker 1: people how dangerous fascism is. But now memory short. Here
Speaker 1: she comes riding in and Republicans are all ready for
Speaker 1: the embrace. If you don't call these people out for
Speaker 1: who the fuck they are, then folks won't recognize that
Speaker 1: there isn't an option in the upcoming election. There isn't
Speaker 1: a real choice, because it's either you are embracing fascism, cruelty,
Speaker 1: human trafficking, sex abusers right, or you're fighting for democracy.
Speaker 1: It really is that fucking stark of a difference. So
Speaker 1: coming up next, Dear friends, I get into it with
Speaker 1: my Latin next cousins from in the Thick Show, Maria
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Speaker 1: and the Pulitzer Prize winning UH journalist Maria Hinojosa and
Speaker 1: Julio Riccardo Valeria UM, also founder and president of fut Media. Hello, friends, Welcome,
Speaker 1: what's up? Cousins? So what's up? I? You know? Let
Speaker 1: me tell you guys. So I want to start with
Speaker 1: everyone's favorite, UM horrendous governor, right uh, Ron Death, who
Speaker 1: I refer to as Ron Death stand because he don't
Speaker 1: give not one fuck about the people in his state
Speaker 1: and their lives. But let's talk about the stunts, the dehumanization,
Speaker 1: the cruelty that is being volleyed back and forth between
Speaker 1: him in Florida and Governor Abbott in Texas with migrants
Speaker 1: and basically you know. So the latest was the flight
Speaker 1: to Martha's Vineyard, which everybody in on wok F knows about. Right,
Speaker 1: we know that run de Santis as far as we
Speaker 1: understand now, created brochures, had people go and lie to
Speaker 1: these workers and tell them that if they get on
Speaker 1: this flight on the other side, they're going to be
Speaker 1: met with housing and food and jobs and you know
Speaker 1: whatever else. The Wizard of Oz told them that they
Speaker 1: were going to get and they arrived their draw off
Speaker 1: on a tarmac as if they are trash. And thank
Speaker 1: goodness that the people of Marcus Vineyard are not as
Speaker 1: vile as Rond de Santas and Greg Abbott. But I
Speaker 1: just want to get each of your reactions when you
Speaker 1: heard that news, when you saw the breaking news, what
Speaker 1: you thought. So Maria, I'll start with you and then Julio.
Speaker 1: First of all, it's great to be here with you, Patma,
Speaker 1: and with my other Pama. Julio. Look, I'm here in mind.
Speaker 1: I'm in mind. That's true. You're my own mind. Old,
Speaker 1: that's true. We're brothers and sisters. That's true, true, true.
Speaker 1: So it's not it's not a surprise, it's shocking. Nothing
Speaker 1: about this shocks me anymore, because this is the natural
Speaker 1: place where you end up when you take an entire
Speaker 1: people and you make them illegal simply but you dehumanize
Speaker 1: them to the extent where it does not matter what
Speaker 1: what happens to them period. So this is just like
Speaker 1: the most horrific manifestation of that. I think that there's
Speaker 1: a lot, there are multiple levels. One of the things
Speaker 1: that I'm trying to do is also reframe, because you know,
Speaker 1: they have the images of the people, by the way,
Speaker 1: who have been to hell and back, and so even
Speaker 1: though you put them there in these horrible circumstances and
Speaker 1: you have lied to them, they have been put in
Speaker 1: horrible circumstances and they have been lied to for their
Speaker 1: entire lives, which is why they left where they were
Speaker 1: from to come here. So this does not it horrifies them,
Speaker 1: right because they're like, damn, we thought better of the
Speaker 1: United States. But they're not going to be like oh
Speaker 1: boo hoo, like no we get No, They're gonna they're
Speaker 1: gonna fight like they're suing now. They're standing up for
Speaker 1: their rights and they will make a life for themselves
Speaker 1: in this country because that is who they are. So
Speaker 1: this whole, yes, they are victims, but I'm also like, yo,
Speaker 1: Martha's vineyard, and by the way, many of these these
Speaker 1: folks have places to go, They have family waiting for them.
Speaker 1: So maybe they were close to Martha's vineyard, maybe not,
Speaker 1: maybe their families back in LA which is why this
Speaker 1: is so horrible. And by the way, this is human trafficking. Yep,
Speaker 1: this is human trafficking. And I'll end up by just saying,
Speaker 1: is they how we understand human trafficking. There are a
Speaker 1: few things that you need to do in order to
Speaker 1: be a human trafficker. You have to have people not
Speaker 1: have their documents right, you take away their documents, You
Speaker 1: don't tell them where they're going, who is taking them,
Speaker 1: and they are told not to speak to anyone. All
Speaker 1: of those things except for when they literally dumped them
Speaker 1: on the tarmac and then they were speaking. So yeah,
Speaker 1: let me. I'm gonna let my head mind chime in
Speaker 1: because the horror of this and the fact that this
Speaker 1: is not and there there will be some i don't know,
Speaker 1: reckoning because this is like the children in cages. It's
Speaker 1: too much and then it backfires because this is an
Speaker 1: international human rights violation. Yeah, you know, it's interesting. The
Speaker 1: other show I host, Latino Rebels Radio, which is part
Speaker 1: of FU Media. I a previous episode that I just did,
Speaker 1: I had a local reporter from San Antonio. Maria, you'll
Speaker 1: love this. You know, I haven't even told you this yet.
Speaker 1: Nonprofit local journalists from San Antonio who covers the migration,
Speaker 1: you know, the individuals that have been in San Antonio
Speaker 1: who were part of the ones that went on the plane.
Speaker 1: It's interesting, I asked her, So, how what's the mood,
Speaker 1: you know, because there's this they were duped, right, there
Speaker 1: were people that were duped. There was this person called
Speaker 1: Bella who would be showing up at these you know,
Speaker 1: these migrants were saying that they would perils around and
Speaker 1: you know, no one knows who per Lie is, but
Speaker 1: supposedly she's the one that told a lot of these individuals,
Speaker 1: mostly all from Venezuela, which is another complicated mess about
Speaker 1: all this that we could get into, but that you know,
Speaker 1: they were going to be promised this and this and
Speaker 1: this and they and they're like great, like this is
Speaker 1: what America is all about. So they got dudes. Right,
Speaker 1: nobody knows where per Lie is and what her connections
Speaker 1: and all this. But what's interesting that the reporter told
Speaker 1: me after told me that now in the migrant center,
Speaker 1: to follow up on the human trafficking labeling of this,
Speaker 1: there are signs in these places in San Antonio that
Speaker 1: are saying like be careful. You know how they say,
Speaker 1: like be careful when you take a ride from something.
Speaker 1: They're now signs of like be careful by these people
Speaker 1: who are promising you this. So if you if you
Speaker 1: see something, say something, yeah, exactly like and they say
Speaker 1: human trafficking. So you know that that framing is getting lost.
Speaker 1: You know. I'm in the Boston area, so I know
Speaker 1: a lot about Martha's Vineyard. I know, you know, it's
Speaker 1: not it's also the thing about Martha's Vineyard the people
Speaker 1: who know it's not just the playground of the rich.
Speaker 1: It's you know, it is very immigranty. It is you know,
Speaker 1: not only it's like you have like you know that's
Speaker 1: you know, it has its history with like you know,
Speaker 1: the black community. But there's people that live on Martha's
Speaker 1: Vineyard who who are serving you know, the rich people
Speaker 1: in Martha's Vineyard. So I've played soccer Martha's Vineyard, and
Speaker 1: I was hanging out with like you know, immigrants and
Speaker 1: and and so I was not surprised by the welcome
Speaker 1: from Martha's Vineyard. But I will tell you what I
Speaker 1: was And maybe I wasn't surprised because you know, Boston's
Speaker 1: not a progressive town. The whole media framing of this
Speaker 1: has been fucking ridiculous, Yeah, because they literally justify DeSantis
Speaker 1: as human trafficking, as if it's like, oh, he just
Speaker 1: put them on. You know, DeSantis is playing this to
Speaker 1: a t. What I said in the Think with Mighty
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. You know, Biden, you can
Speaker 1: say what you want. Biden is like trending up again. Whatever,
Speaker 1: we can get into that, whether that's but you know,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, they're like, you know, Biden's got
Speaker 1: a couple of winds, So how are we going to
Speaker 1: distract the Biden winds like the immigration, like the Inflation
Speaker 1: Reduction Act, and oh oh I know, but yeah, Republican,
Speaker 1: let's well, we'll do it. We'll use immigrants because we'll
Speaker 1: just throw them under the bus. Because if we throw
Speaker 1: immigrants and refugees under the bus as Republicans, we also
Speaker 1: know that Democrats have thrown immigrants and refugees under the bus,
Speaker 1: and that I think is the more the painful lesson.
Speaker 1: You know, people say, Julio has heard me say this often. Oh, Maria,
Speaker 1: you're so obsessed with immigrants and refugees. You're so Mexican,
Speaker 1: you know, You're just such an immigrant, you know, And
Speaker 1: it's like, oh, really, you think that's why. I Oh interesting,
Speaker 1: I am an American citizen. So I became an American citizen.
Speaker 1: So I'm demanding of this country that it live up
Speaker 1: to what it's say. But what I'm obsessed with is
Speaker 1: the capacity of this country and it's people to be
Speaker 1: inhuman towards people who simply were not born in this country.
Speaker 1: That's the litmus test here, the life of George Floyd,
Speaker 1: where we will kill a black man like that in
Speaker 1: front of a crowd, right, and we will, and we
Speaker 1: will take you, take you away from your children, separate you,
Speaker 1: put you in a cage, lie to you, fly you
Speaker 1: all across the country. You have no you have no humanity. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: gohead God. I was just gonna say, and I'm sure
Speaker 1: you've said this, Danielle, but like DeSantis is a much
Speaker 1: more dangerous Trump, He's a smarter Trump. He is come,
Speaker 1: he's more quote unquote palatable. Right, Um, I have family
Speaker 1: in Florida. I've you know, they moved from Puerto Rico
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine. So I go to Florida a lot um.
Speaker 1: He is someone to be reckoned with because he is
Speaker 1: going he's doubling down on this Republican policy that is
Speaker 1: winning him report. People think, oh, well, it's Venezuelans and
Speaker 1: he spoke about the Venezuelan community. That's like, there's Venezuelans
Speaker 1: in Miami, Dad, who are like, yeah, no, it's I get,
Speaker 1: I get, you know, I know what he did, and
Speaker 1: I still agree with And then they're spinning this around
Speaker 1: because they're saying it's like, well, a lot of these
Speaker 1: individuals actually welcomed the trip, right, so the spin has happened.
Speaker 1: Oh did you not see the Washington The Washington Post, Yes,
Speaker 1: did it? Did it? Art did an article a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks, like right after this, and it was an
Speaker 1: interview that they did with one of the migrants that said,
Speaker 1: I am so grateful to Rondo Santis for sending me
Speaker 1: to Marcus Vineyard because now I have all of this
Speaker 1: opportunity in blah blah. I said, what the fuck? And
Speaker 1: I like, I want to talk about you know what
Speaker 1: you brought up, Julio, which is the media and the
Speaker 1: fact that the media here right, they weren't calling this
Speaker 1: human track trafficking. We on Twitter, we're calling it human trafficking.
Speaker 1: They weren't talking about it as cruelty. They were explaining
Speaker 1: it as if it was some type of fucking high
Speaker 1: school prank, right, like oh look at look at Ronda
Speaker 1: Santis and Abbott one up being. It wasn't about people.
Speaker 1: There was no people with regard to this. They were
Speaker 1: political footballs. And so I want to talk for a
Speaker 1: moment as you two, you know, have you you Mardia
Speaker 1: have created a media empire that is centered around it
Speaker 1: is it is an empire that's centered around black But
Speaker 1: that's what you guys have done. And why is that?
Speaker 1: Because because the mainstream media, that's the kind of ship
Speaker 1: that they do. They look at black and brown people
Speaker 1: then they say, oh ha hahaha, here's another sad story.
Speaker 1: Here's another this, that and the other thing. But they're
Speaker 1: not calling a thing of things. So I want to
Speaker 1: talk about the use of language here, the use of
Speaker 1: trafficking the use of cruelty, and why the media would
Speaker 1: run a story like the Washington Post did with regard
Speaker 1: to Look, these people are happy, right, They're happy to
Speaker 1: be used as political pawns. They're happy to be be humanized, right,
Speaker 1: to essentially soften the blow so that white people don't
Speaker 1: look at their reflection and say to themselves, goddamn, we're cruel. Hey,
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Speaker 1: new episodes every Thursday. Yeah. No, I'm sure that the reporter,
Speaker 1: I'm sure that the reporter who spoke to that person.
Speaker 1: First of all, there's a lot there, right, How did
Speaker 1: they know that it was Ronda santistis so? But let's
Speaker 1: just say that that reporter was just like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I hit I hit a gold mine here. I've never
Speaker 1: heard anybody say this. This is just so not expected.
Speaker 1: The thing is is that that is so again dehumanizing,
Speaker 1: because you have no context in which to understand somebody
Speaker 1: who's in that in this position, they have been again
Speaker 1: duped lie to Suddenly somebody's with a camera and says, hey,
Speaker 1: Ronda Santists is the person who brought you here? What
Speaker 1: do you want want to say to them? And they're like,
Speaker 1: who brought you Ronda Santis? I just want to say
Speaker 1: thank you to Ronda Santist because you got me out
Speaker 1: of that ice hell detention fucking concentration camp and I'm
Speaker 1: here and I'm breathing free, and I'm gonna make it
Speaker 1: here because again, the people who are treated like less
Speaker 1: than are actually so they embody the most most incredible
Speaker 1: parts of our humanity, Danielle. That is what makes me sad, right,
Speaker 1: that is why I'm like, these are people who I
Speaker 1: have met on multiple different trips, on occasions at the borders,
Speaker 1: sleeping on the floor in the sidewalk, in a caravan,
Speaker 1: in a jungle, goes many that. Man, they're humanity. You know.
Speaker 1: All you hear is like, you know, human traffickers, and
Speaker 1: they're like, you know, they take advantage and they steal it.
Speaker 1: It's not safe. I'm not painting it like that. But
Speaker 1: the reason why my travel in a caravan is because
Speaker 1: that way, they can take care of each other and
Speaker 1: the caravan could be me, you and Julio Indian. This
Speaker 1: we make up the people. We look like the people
Speaker 1: who are on that caravan, and we are taking care
Speaker 1: of each other. That's why when I was on the caravan,
Speaker 1: I was like, so, you have this whole community of
Speaker 1: Haitians who are moving along in the caravan, and they
Speaker 1: are being protected by a lot of brown people who
Speaker 1: are around them, who are making sure that they're not
Speaker 1: attacked because they're black. Yeah, so we don't hear that.
Speaker 1: We don't hear that level of complexity. We see that.
Speaker 1: So it breaks my heart. And I'm going to tell
Speaker 1: you something that somebody said to me because I was
Speaker 1: in Chicago right around when a lot of this was
Speaker 1: kind of hitting the front pages. I was in Chicago,
Speaker 1: my hometown, and I had a black cab driver and
Speaker 1: we were going to a hair and it was like
Speaker 1: the end of the cab drive because I was trying
Speaker 1: not to talk politics, but I did just ask him,
Speaker 1: so what do you think about this? And he said, well,
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know why they're flying them around because we have veterans
Speaker 1: who need to be taken care of, and why are
Speaker 1: they getting this special treatment? And they shouldn't be flowing
Speaker 1: around that's treating them like really special. And I was
Speaker 1: just like, whoa what? And I said, sir, with all
Speaker 1: due respect, and I usually don't but I had not
Speaker 1: identified myself because I was with my family, so I
Speaker 1: was more just like curiosity. Other times when I'm talking
Speaker 1: to people in a cab, I identify myself and then
Speaker 1: I don't offer an opinion, right I'm interviewing them. In
Speaker 1: this case, he didn't know who I was, and I
Speaker 1: just said, so, I need to talk to you a
Speaker 1: little bit about that, and I explained to him deconstructing
Speaker 1: a situation. He was just like, oh, okay, I see.
Speaker 1: But it was very interesting that in the black community,
Speaker 1: somewhere along the line someone had been saying, oh, here
Speaker 1: they are getting that treatment, that they're getting all that,
Speaker 1: and it's like no. And the fact that I mean,
Speaker 1: I didn't see many of the pictures because I really
Speaker 1: was not trying to be part of the circus. But
Speaker 1: there migration, migrants and refugees are increasingly black, right, So
Speaker 1: this is saying a black person to another black person. No, no,
Speaker 1: you can't have that. What So we have to we
Speaker 1: have to deconstruct this all. And and that's why I
Speaker 1: took the moment. I was like, let me just try
Speaker 1: and talk like a fellow Chicagoan. And he was very receptive,
Speaker 1: by the way, very very well. That's the way you are.
Speaker 1: I mean once I've seen you in action in cabs.
Speaker 1: But but that But you're absolutely right, Daniel, Like I
Speaker 1: think what we're seeing is just how poorly we have
Speaker 1: covered this issue for years, and we've just allowed it
Speaker 1: as American like as an American journalist, like industry. It's
Speaker 1: just what it is, right. So you know, I've I
Speaker 1: wouldn't say I'm kind of done calling out the ship
Speaker 1: because you know, I've written and Maria has written in
Speaker 1: the book and written has said no, no human beings
Speaker 1: illegal based on Ellie by Cell and and I've written.
Speaker 1: You know, I had the ap like I was like,
Speaker 1: why do you continue to use like wave of migrant
Speaker 1: like I got them on record, right, But what's interesting,
Speaker 1: what's interesting, and this is what we've allowed to happen.
Speaker 1: And this is years and years and years, and Maria
Speaker 1: can can attest to this, you know, during the days
Speaker 1: of lue Dabs and CNN, and there's always two sides
Speaker 1: of everything of migration, and even when they were the
Speaker 1: big massive May Day protests of demonstrations of all these
Speaker 1: like Latinos and Latinas and immigrants and their allies, and
Speaker 1: you know, in the aughts, like it's always been scaring
Speaker 1: other two thousand and six, it's scary. It's the brown
Speaker 1: people are here, right. We've allowed that as a society
Speaker 1: to be like, oh, there's another side to this. So
Speaker 1: like the lu dabs, hate speech has led to you know,
Speaker 1: there's nothing different from a Tucker Carlson now. And the
Speaker 1: difference now than I would say, is that we have
Speaker 1: allowed a right wing media machine to just own this
Speaker 1: narrative and basically just you know it. You know the
Speaker 1: fact that Fox News got tipped on the desantist thing
Speaker 1: right as an exclusive like Fox News and and but
Speaker 1: what's happened now is like it's so obvious, like once
Speaker 1: that goes into the to the newsphere, you literally have
Speaker 1: created two cams. And the problem is it, like I
Speaker 1: view migration as like racism, right, there's no other side
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, but we've allowed that. We've
Speaker 1: allowed that because of the fear of the other, because
Speaker 1: the American tradition of xenophobia has driven this forever. And
Speaker 1: because that, and because of the fact that the mainstream
Speaker 1: media is overwhelmingly owned the bucks. The buck stops with me,
Speaker 1: editors in chief, all the way down. And for them,
Speaker 1: they have been raised, right, white men, white sis, men
Speaker 1: of privilege who present heterosexual and some of them are
Speaker 1: my best friends, right, I love them, But they have
Speaker 1: been raised consuming media that has this legacy of what
Speaker 1: Julio is talking about. For decades, the narrative has been
Speaker 1: immigrants are a problem. Immigrants and refugees are a problem.
Speaker 1: I mean, basically it. In nineteen eighty six is when
Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan, right, I mean like people a horrible, horrible,
Speaker 1: a warmonger with so much blood on his hands, but
Speaker 1: that he would be the one that would do a
Speaker 1: massive legalization right of three million people. Beyond that, in
Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties, we know that at Bill Clinton actually
Speaker 1: ran on an anti immigrant platform. He ran on tow
Speaker 1: the line. You know, it wasn't like build the wall,
Speaker 1: but it was like it needs to stop illegal immigrants,
Speaker 1: need to stop coming, this whole thing and so um
Speaker 1: so they these men who are running all the media,
Speaker 1: they've they've never heard anything else because they don't watch this.
Speaker 1: But we don't give a fuck because we're doing our thing,
Speaker 1: because we are doing our thing because we are descendants
Speaker 1: of Frederick Douglas who understand what our responsibility is to
Speaker 1: be journalists of conscience and to be talking about this
Speaker 1: on whatever platform however we can in order to save
Speaker 1: what Frederick Douglas loved the most, which was his democracy. Right, yeah, democracy? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know we can go on and on, Daniel, No,
Speaker 1: I know, and with and with a couple of minutes,
Speaker 1: you know that I that I have with you. You know,
Speaker 1: how do you think that this is going to play
Speaker 1: with mid terms? We only have but a handful of
Speaker 1: weeks until the most I mean, I know that we
Speaker 1: say this in every guy an election, that it's the
Speaker 1: most consequential election, but this really is. Let me give
Speaker 1: you one of the most. Yeah. But let me give
Speaker 1: you like a specific example that we ran at Latino
Speaker 1: rubbles Um last week. Idaho state reps are dressing up
Speaker 1: as like stereotypical Mexicans to be like I'm you know,
Speaker 1: they're running force office. They're like, oh, I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: dressed to go to Martha's vineyard like it's done, Like
Speaker 1: the Santis has gotten his like like they they have
Speaker 1: played the card. Oh my god, Hollywood, I mean, Halloween
Speaker 1: is going to be terrible. You know, they have played
Speaker 1: the card anyone that brings us up is woke. And
Speaker 1: and you know, like just in the you know, bias
Speaker 1: and all that, this is what they're they're doubling down
Speaker 1: and sadly, sadly because this issue, this issue has not
Speaker 1: been framed correctly for years. Sadly, there's gonna be plenty
Speaker 1: of people who are going to be voting in the
Speaker 1: mid terms because all these like quote unquote illegals right
Speaker 1: are taking over this country, you know I'm talking about
Speaker 1: I mean, I have people in Massachusetts who are messaging
Speaker 1: me they know what I do for a living, like
Speaker 1: and people in my you know, my town to be
Speaker 1: like this can't happen, right, this is this is the
Speaker 1: end of America. They've won that message. This is the
Speaker 1: the problem is the only way you're making me so
Speaker 1: depressed right now. The only way you out message that
Speaker 1: message is that you look at places like you have
Speaker 1: to believe that there's more people in this right tree
Speaker 1: Kansas who need to be civically engaged to cancel that
Speaker 1: shit out. And that's in Kansas too. I mean, like
Speaker 1: take Kansas for you when you take about what happened
Speaker 1: with women's rights to choose, and no one thought Kansas,
Speaker 1: we're gonna and people are like, oh, hell no, this
Speaker 1: is a constitutional right. Yeah, what are your thoughts? I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't want to like but as we fail, I
Speaker 1: don't want to make you hopeless here. You know what
Speaker 1: I I I am very worried, you know, um, as
Speaker 1: I am before every election in this country. Um. And
Speaker 1: I'm worried because you know, increasingly every election in this
Speaker 1: country is um an opportunity for some camps to lessen
Speaker 1: our experience with democracy. Right, So you know, January twentieth
Speaker 1: was not a surprise to the three of us here.
Speaker 1: We were like, this ship can happen, Oh, calm down.
Speaker 1: January January sixth, January Ye did I say, did I
Speaker 1: say January twenty six? Yes? One six one six yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we we knew. So I am. I'm worried, and at
Speaker 1: the same time there are pockets of hope. I'm I
Speaker 1: guess the thing that I'm most worried about is that is,
Speaker 1: people are are trying to figure out how to stay alive,
Speaker 1: you know, in this weird are we in a pandemic
Speaker 1: or not situation, trying to make sure that their jobs
Speaker 1: are hunger down. You know, everybody's probably holding down at
Speaker 1: least one, if you're lucky, two maybe three jobs, you know,
Speaker 1: piecing shit together in the sense that the urgency of
Speaker 1: our democracy is in a very fragile state. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it's kind of landing on people who are
Speaker 1: just overwhelmed with it all, who should, in fact and
Speaker 1: would probably vote correctly in terms of their interests, but
Speaker 1: just are like, you know what, like I'm just done
Speaker 1: with the whole right, and this was also and this
Speaker 1: was part of the plan. Right, nothing, nothing works, nothing functions,
Speaker 1: It's all rigged. No government function. No. So therefore the
Speaker 1: total deconstruction of Like, so why do I give a shit?
Speaker 1: Which is where you know, the worst interest in terms
Speaker 1: of kind of making the United States into irrelevancy. The
Speaker 1: world's greatest democracy is then reduced to a place where
Speaker 1: less than half of the population votes. So um, So
Speaker 1: I'm worried, but you know, I try to stay upbeat
Speaker 1: by looking for birds in the wild. No, no, there
Speaker 1: is there is a relationship. Because I'm like, I'm like, look,
Speaker 1: it's not like I love Let me explain this. It's
Speaker 1: not like I love eagles. Okay, because I've really trying
Speaker 1: to understand this. Right, I have become an eagle whisperer.
Speaker 1: I am an eagle follower in my place in Connecticut,
Speaker 1: right which is a tiny cottage. But here's the thing.
Speaker 1: It's not that it's the patriotic symbol of the United
Speaker 1: States of America, and that's what it is. When I
Speaker 1: was a little girl, eagles were almost extinct. We would
Speaker 1: see commercials on television with people crying because the eagle
Speaker 1: was extinct, and it was like, how did we let
Speaker 1: this happen? And Thune says for me to see eagles
Speaker 1: that I can see with my binoculars and without my binoculars,
Speaker 1: because she's like, Hi, what's up. We're friends now we talk,
Speaker 1: you know. But the fact that I can see more
Speaker 1: than one eagle and that they are the eagles spotted
Speaker 1: right here in New York City, in Harlem. Maybe not
Speaker 1: right now, but this is to me a sign of well, shit,
Speaker 1: there's some hope, right you know, which is really what
Speaker 1: Frederick Douglas and Harriet Tubman taught us, right, liberation dreams.
Speaker 1: You just keep on doing those liberation dreams. Everybody's going
Speaker 1: to call you crazy the way they have called the
Speaker 1: three of us, and we're just like fine, yeah whatever.
Speaker 1: You know, I just will tell the both of you, UM,
Speaker 1: what gives me, what continues to give me the mustard
Speaker 1: seat of hope that that I hold onto with all
Speaker 1: dear life is you know, the work that you all do,
Speaker 1: the and I don't joke, the empire that you have
Speaker 1: built and continue to build. The you know, uh Maria,
Speaker 1: the books, the book that you have that is that
Speaker 1: is coming out you know once I was you UM
Speaker 1: to encourage young people, um to recognize their voice and
Speaker 1: their power. Like that's all we can do. And so
Speaker 1: I just you know, so I say that, like I
Speaker 1: don't know if the freedom that we're fighting for we
Speaker 1: will fully see, but i'd sure as how no, that
Speaker 1: it's it's worth of continuing on the path because of
Speaker 1: what of what the two of you, UM continue to
Speaker 1: give voice, to give light to and give representation to.
Speaker 1: So you know, my my friends, UM, you know, if folks,
Speaker 1: if you don't listen to in the thick, I don't
Speaker 1: know what you're doing, but you should. Uh. If you
Speaker 1: don't listen, if you don't listen to Latino rebels, I
Speaker 1: don't know what you're doing, because you should. Um and
Speaker 1: go and pre order Maria's new book once I was
Speaker 1: you finding my voice and pass right right on this
Speaker 1: Pulleit surprised winning journalists. Um, but let's let's keep talking,
Speaker 1: friends so that we don't we don't lose. This one's
Speaker 1: for kids here, I'm men, wait before we leave. I
Speaker 1: know this is gonna make um Danielle happy because we
Speaker 1: always try to so first Latino and Latina and latin
Speaker 1: X and Latina, all of us. We like to get
Speaker 1: it on. So here's the thing. The median age of
Speaker 1: Latinos and Latinos in the United States is now eleven,
Speaker 1: the age that this book was written for. Wow, that's
Speaker 1: all you need to know. That's all you need to
Speaker 1: know about the future of democracy, the future of everything
Speaker 1: is that. And those kids are black, Afro Latino. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they are indigenous Latino and they are mixture of all.
Speaker 1: So that is our future. But Danielle, thank you so
Speaker 1: much for all your love we love you. Next next time,
Speaker 1: next time I play data, you come to us. I
Speaker 1: love cousin play dates. It's the best. Thank you guys,
Speaker 1: appreciate you, Love you. That is it for me today,
Speaker 1: Dear friends on woke app as always, power to the
Speaker 1: people and to all the people power, get woke and
Speaker 1: stay woke as fuck.