1 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,800 Speaker 1: Good morning, Peeves, and welcome to Okay f Daily with 2 00:00:14,960 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: me your girl Danielle Moody Recording from the Brooklyn Bunker. Folks, 3 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:23,079 Speaker 1: I'm really excited to bring you today's conversation with my 4 00:00:23,200 --> 00:00:26,600 Speaker 1: two dear friends who are referred to as my Latin 5 00:00:26,760 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: X cousins, Julio Ricardo Valera, who is the co host 6 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,519 Speaker 1: of in the Thick Show as well as Latino Rebels, 7 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:39,560 Speaker 1: and my friend Pulitzer Prize winning journalist Maria Hinojosa, who 8 00:00:39,640 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 1: is also the other co host of In the Thick 9 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:48,480 Speaker 1: Show in the founder of Futuro Studios and Media. We've 10 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:52,800 Speaker 1: recorded this conversation while I was traveling in Washington, DC, 11 00:00:53,720 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: and Julio and Maria and I get into a conversation 12 00:00:59,040 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: about the large, just growing demographic in the United States, 13 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: which is the Latin X population, and we talk about 14 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 1: one the way in which white Republican straight men and 15 00:01:16,440 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 1: I use that in quotations are using migrants as a 16 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:26,679 Speaker 1: political pawn, are using human beings to score points with 17 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 1: their rapid racist, white supremacist base. And we get into 18 00:01:32,280 --> 00:01:36,559 Speaker 1: this conversation about cruelty and about the way in which 19 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:41,120 Speaker 1: the media, rather than talking about what DeSantis and Abbot 20 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: are doing with migrants in the United States. Rather than 21 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: referring to it as what it is, which is a 22 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: human rights violation, which is human trafficking, the media is 23 00:01:53,120 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: talking about it as if it's like a high school 24 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: prank that Rhonda Santis and Abbot are playing on Vice 25 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: President Harris or on the State of New York, or 26 00:02:03,920 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 1: on Martha's vineyard. It's not right. It isn't funny. It 27 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 1: isn't a both sides issue. If we saw this happening 28 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: in other countries, the way that this media would be 29 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: talking and lambasting right these people and calling them human traffickers. 30 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 1: But you see the problem once again is that we 31 00:02:27,160 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: are relying on white people to police other white people, 32 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: white people in power to police other white people in power. 33 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:36,880 Speaker 1: That's not how society was set up. It's not howard 34 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 1: fucking works. They don't do it. So the newsrooms are 35 00:02:42,600 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: filled with people who look like Ronda Santis and Greg Abbott, right, 36 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: And because of this, they don't see themselves as villains, 37 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: they don't see themselves as the problem, and so they 38 00:02:55,440 --> 00:03:01,399 Speaker 1: don't speak about it in that way. Words matter, right, 39 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,360 Speaker 1: The way that we talk about these situations and how 40 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 1: they are unfolding matters because it gives and it provides 41 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 1: more gravity and context to the situation. That's what we 42 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: try and do here on woke f all the time 43 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,040 Speaker 1: is take what the mainstream media isn't talking about, or 44 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: examine how they are talking about it in the wrong way, 45 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: and bring to you, dear audience, the truth, the unvarnished truth. Sure, 46 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,359 Speaker 1: I drop a lot of F bombs because the current 47 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: fuckery that we are living in requires it, because I 48 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:42,520 Speaker 1: want people to be outraged, but I also want us 49 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: to recognize our power in getting people like the Sentis 50 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:48,520 Speaker 1: and Abbot out of fucking office. I don't want to 51 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: just shrug my shoulders and say, oh, they're red States 52 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,880 Speaker 1: and that's just the way it's gonna be. No, because 53 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,400 Speaker 1: guess what. Abolitionists didn't just shrug their soulders and say, well, 54 00:03:57,640 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 1: you know, slavery's been around for one hundred of year, 55 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 1: so that's just the way it's gonna be. We gotta 56 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 1: think bigger and we gotta do more right. And what 57 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 1: that requires is for us to get pissed off, is 58 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:15,200 Speaker 1: for us to utilize the language that is necessary to 59 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: call out the cruelty and the dehumanization that is happening. 60 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: To call the Maga Republican Party the white supremacist nationalist Party, 61 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:28,480 Speaker 1: the new white fucking Citizens Council Party, because that's who 62 00:04:28,520 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 1: the fuck they are. They got all up in arms 63 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: about being called semi fascist, but the word that they 64 00:04:34,279 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: were actually upset about was being called semi because when 65 00:04:37,920 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: you are hailing the win of a Georgia Maloney in 66 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: Italy who is an actual fucking fascist, oppose Mussolini as 67 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:52,279 Speaker 1: the greatest leader that Italy had ever seen. Meanwhile, they 68 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:56,960 Speaker 1: hung his ass upside down after he was killed in 69 00:04:57,080 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: the town fucking square in Milan to sit to the 70 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:05,160 Speaker 1: people how dangerous fascism is. But now memory short. Here 71 00:05:05,200 --> 00:05:08,960 Speaker 1: she comes riding in and Republicans are all ready for 72 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:13,039 Speaker 1: the embrace. If you don't call these people out for 73 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:16,479 Speaker 1: who the fuck they are, then folks won't recognize that 74 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:22,040 Speaker 1: there isn't an option in the upcoming election. There isn't 75 00:05:22,040 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: a real choice, because it's either you are embracing fascism, cruelty, 76 00:05:27,839 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: human trafficking, sex abusers right, or you're fighting for democracy. 77 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:40,240 Speaker 1: It really is that fucking stark of a difference. So 78 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:44,480 Speaker 1: coming up next, Dear friends, I get into it with 79 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:49,359 Speaker 1: my Latin next cousins from in the Thick Show, Maria 80 00:05:49,440 --> 00:05:54,600 Speaker 1: Hinojosa and Julio Ricardo Volaia. I hope that you enjoy 81 00:05:54,680 --> 00:05:58,520 Speaker 1: our conversation. 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Folks, who know that whenever I have 97 00:07:05,880 --> 00:07:08,600 Speaker 1: the opportunity to talk to who I believe are my 98 00:07:08,839 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 1: lucky next cousins, my my, my, my friends, my cousins, 99 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: my play cousins. UM from the same aisle. I was 100 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 1: going to say, across the aisle, but that is not 101 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 1: the case. Uh. The co host of In the Thick 102 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:26,480 Speaker 1: and the Pulitzer Prize winning UH journalist Maria Hinojosa and 103 00:07:26,600 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: Julio Riccardo Valeria UM, also founder and president of fut Media. Hello, friends, Welcome, 104 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 1: what's up? Cousins? So what's up? I? You know? Let 105 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 1: me tell you guys. So I want to start with 106 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: everyone's favorite, UM horrendous governor, right uh, Ron Death, who 107 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: I refer to as Ron Death stand because he don't 108 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: give not one fuck about the people in his state 109 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: and their lives. But let's talk about the stunts, the dehumanization, 110 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 1: the cruelty that is being volleyed back and forth between 111 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: him in Florida and Governor Abbott in Texas with migrants 112 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: and basically you know. So the latest was the flight 113 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:33,080 Speaker 1: to Martha's Vineyard, which everybody in on wok F knows about. Right, 114 00:08:34,040 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: we know that run de Santis as far as we 115 00:08:37,000 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 1: understand now, created brochures, had people go and lie to 116 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: these workers and tell them that if they get on 117 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: this flight on the other side, they're going to be 118 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,840 Speaker 1: met with housing and food and jobs and you know 119 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: whatever else. The Wizard of Oz told them that they 120 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: were going to get and they arrived their draw off 121 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:04,959 Speaker 1: on a tarmac as if they are trash. And thank 122 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: goodness that the people of Marcus Vineyard are not as 123 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: vile as Rond de Santas and Greg Abbott. But I 124 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:16,120 Speaker 1: just want to get each of your reactions when you 125 00:09:16,320 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 1: heard that news, when you saw the breaking news, what 126 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 1: you thought. So Maria, I'll start with you and then Julio. 127 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 1: First of all, it's great to be here with you, Patma, 128 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 1: and with my other Pama. Julio. Look, I'm here in mind. 129 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: I'm in mind. That's true. You're my own mind. Old, 130 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:37,959 Speaker 1: that's true. We're brothers and sisters. That's true, true, true. 131 00:09:38,040 --> 00:09:42,960 Speaker 1: So it's not it's not a surprise, it's shocking. Nothing 132 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:48,920 Speaker 1: about this shocks me anymore, because this is the natural 133 00:09:49,040 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: place where you end up when you take an entire 134 00:09:52,800 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 1: people and you make them illegal simply but you dehumanize 135 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: them to the extent where it does not matter what 136 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: what happens to them period. So this is just like 137 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:10,680 Speaker 1: the most horrific manifestation of that. I think that there's 138 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: a lot, there are multiple levels. One of the things 139 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: that I'm trying to do is also reframe, because you know, 140 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: they have the images of the people, by the way, 141 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: who have been to hell and back, and so even 142 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 1: though you put them there in these horrible circumstances and 143 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: you have lied to them, they have been put in 144 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:36,520 Speaker 1: horrible circumstances and they have been lied to for their 145 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: entire lives, which is why they left where they were 146 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 1: from to come here. So this does not it horrifies them, 147 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: right because they're like, damn, we thought better of the 148 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:46,880 Speaker 1: United States. But they're not going to be like oh 149 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,680 Speaker 1: boo hoo, like no we get No, They're gonna they're 150 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 1: gonna fight like they're suing now. They're standing up for 151 00:10:53,960 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: their rights and they will make a life for themselves 152 00:10:56,440 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: in this country because that is who they are. So 153 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: this whole, yes, they are victims, but I'm also like, yo, 154 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,319 Speaker 1: Martha's vineyard, and by the way, many of these these 155 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 1: folks have places to go, They have family waiting for them. 156 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: So maybe they were close to Martha's vineyard, maybe not, 157 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 1: maybe their families back in LA which is why this 158 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:21,240 Speaker 1: is so horrible. And by the way, this is human trafficking. Yep, 159 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: this is human trafficking. And I'll end up by just saying, 160 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: is they how we understand human trafficking. There are a 161 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,360 Speaker 1: few things that you need to do in order to 162 00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: be a human trafficker. You have to have people not 163 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:44,680 Speaker 1: have their documents right, you take away their documents, You 164 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 1: don't tell them where they're going, who is taking them, 165 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: and they are told not to speak to anyone. All 166 00:11:52,559 --> 00:11:55,719 Speaker 1: of those things except for when they literally dumped them 167 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,160 Speaker 1: on the tarmac and then they were speaking. So yeah, 168 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,840 Speaker 1: let me. I'm gonna let my head mind chime in 169 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,120 Speaker 1: because the horror of this and the fact that this 170 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: is not and there there will be some i don't know, 171 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:12,319 Speaker 1: reckoning because this is like the children in cages. It's 172 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,120 Speaker 1: too much and then it backfires because this is an 173 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: international human rights violation. Yeah, you know, it's interesting. The 174 00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,480 Speaker 1: other show I host, Latino Rebels Radio, which is part 175 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:28,920 Speaker 1: of FU Media. I a previous episode that I just did, 176 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: I had a local reporter from San Antonio. Maria, you'll 177 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: love this. You know, I haven't even told you this yet. 178 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 1: Nonprofit local journalists from San Antonio who covers the migration, 179 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,319 Speaker 1: you know, the individuals that have been in San Antonio 180 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: who were part of the ones that went on the plane. 181 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: It's interesting, I asked her, So, how what's the mood, 182 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: you know, because there's this they were duped, right, there 183 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:58,680 Speaker 1: were people that were duped. There was this person called 184 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: Bella who would be showing up at these you know, 185 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: these migrants were saying that they would perils around and 186 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: you know, no one knows who per Lie is, but 187 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: supposedly she's the one that told a lot of these individuals, 188 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 1: mostly all from Venezuela, which is another complicated mess about 189 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: all this that we could get into, but that you know, 190 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: they were going to be promised this and this and 191 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:22,240 Speaker 1: this and they and they're like great, like this is 192 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: what America is all about. So they got dudes. Right, 193 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,240 Speaker 1: nobody knows where per Lie is and what her connections 194 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: and all this. But what's interesting that the reporter told 195 00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:37,400 Speaker 1: me after told me that now in the migrant center, 196 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,360 Speaker 1: to follow up on the human trafficking labeling of this, 197 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: there are signs in these places in San Antonio that 198 00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: are saying like be careful. You know how they say, 199 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: like be careful when you take a ride from something. 200 00:13:49,920 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: They're now signs of like be careful by these people 201 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 1: who are promising you this. So if you if you 202 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 1: see something, say something, yeah, exactly like and they say 203 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 1: human trafficking. So you know that that framing is getting lost. 204 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: You know. I'm in the Boston area, so I know 205 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,280 Speaker 1: a lot about Martha's Vineyard. I know, you know, it's 206 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: not it's also the thing about Martha's Vineyard the people 207 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: who know it's not just the playground of the rich. 208 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: It's you know, it is very immigranty. It is you know, 209 00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: not only it's like you have like you know that's 210 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: you know, it has its history with like you know, 211 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: the black community. But there's people that live on Martha's 212 00:14:25,200 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: Vineyard who who are serving you know, the rich people 213 00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:31,240 Speaker 1: in Martha's Vineyard. So I've played soccer Martha's Vineyard, and 214 00:14:31,280 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: I was hanging out with like you know, immigrants and 215 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: and and so I was not surprised by the welcome 216 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 1: from Martha's Vineyard. But I will tell you what I 217 00:14:40,400 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: was And maybe I wasn't surprised because you know, Boston's 218 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: not a progressive town. The whole media framing of this 219 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 1: has been fucking ridiculous, Yeah, because they literally justify DeSantis 220 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:55,320 Speaker 1: as human trafficking, as if it's like, oh, he just 221 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: put them on. You know, DeSantis is playing this to 222 00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: a t. What I said in the Think with Mighty 223 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. You know, Biden, you can 224 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,160 Speaker 1: say what you want. Biden is like trending up again. Whatever, 225 00:15:07,200 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: we can get into that, whether that's but you know, 226 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:11,120 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, they're like, you know, Biden's got 227 00:15:11,120 --> 00:15:13,240 Speaker 1: a couple of winds, So how are we going to 228 00:15:13,400 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 1: distract the Biden winds like the immigration, like the Inflation 229 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:23,720 Speaker 1: Reduction Act, and oh oh I know, but yeah, Republican, 230 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 1: let's well, we'll do it. We'll use immigrants because we'll 231 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: just throw them under the bus. Because if we throw 232 00:15:32,440 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 1: immigrants and refugees under the bus as Republicans, we also 233 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:43,520 Speaker 1: know that Democrats have thrown immigrants and refugees under the bus, 234 00:15:43,960 --> 00:15:46,880 Speaker 1: and that I think is the more the painful lesson. 235 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: You know, people say, Julio has heard me say this often. Oh, Maria, 236 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: you're so obsessed with immigrants and refugees. You're so Mexican, 237 00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 1: you know, You're just such an immigrant, you know, And 238 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, really, you think that's why. I Oh interesting, 239 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: I am an American citizen. So I became an American citizen. 240 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 1: So I'm demanding of this country that it live up 241 00:16:09,280 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: to what it's say. But what I'm obsessed with is 242 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 1: the capacity of this country and it's people to be 243 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:21,119 Speaker 1: inhuman towards people who simply were not born in this country. 244 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 1: That's the litmus test here, the life of George Floyd, 245 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: where we will kill a black man like that in 246 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:32,440 Speaker 1: front of a crowd, right, and we will, and we 247 00:16:32,480 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: will take you, take you away from your children, separate you, 248 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 1: put you in a cage, lie to you, fly you 249 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: all across the country. You have no you have no humanity. Yeah, yeah, 250 00:16:47,760 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 1: gohead God. I was just gonna say, and I'm sure 251 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 1: you've said this, Danielle, but like DeSantis is a much 252 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: more dangerous Trump, He's a smarter Trump. He is come, 253 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:04,639 Speaker 1: he's more quote unquote palatable. Right, Um, I have family 254 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,040 Speaker 1: in Florida. I've you know, they moved from Puerto Rico 255 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty nine. So I go to Florida a lot um. 256 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 1: He is someone to be reckoned with because he is 257 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:20,040 Speaker 1: going he's doubling down on this Republican policy that is 258 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:24,240 Speaker 1: winning him report. People think, oh, well, it's Venezuelans and 259 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 1: he spoke about the Venezuelan community. That's like, there's Venezuelans 260 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:32,120 Speaker 1: in Miami, Dad, who are like, yeah, no, it's I get, 261 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: I get, you know, I know what he did, and 262 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:36,879 Speaker 1: I still agree with And then they're spinning this around 263 00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: because they're saying it's like, well, a lot of these 264 00:17:39,119 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: individuals actually welcomed the trip, right, so the spin has happened. 265 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:47,360 Speaker 1: Oh did you not see the Washington The Washington Post, Yes, 266 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: did it? Did it? Art did an article a couple 267 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:55,000 Speaker 1: of weeks, like right after this, and it was an 268 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,200 Speaker 1: interview that they did with one of the migrants that said, 269 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:03,280 Speaker 1: I am so grateful to Rondo Santis for sending me 270 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:07,879 Speaker 1: to Marcus Vineyard because now I have all of this 271 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:11,960 Speaker 1: opportunity in blah blah. I said, what the fuck? And 272 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,640 Speaker 1: I like, I want to talk about you know what 273 00:18:14,680 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: you brought up, Julio, which is the media and the 274 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:22,080 Speaker 1: fact that the media here right, they weren't calling this 275 00:18:22,200 --> 00:18:26,879 Speaker 1: human track trafficking. We on Twitter, we're calling it human trafficking. 276 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 1: They weren't talking about it as cruelty. They were explaining 277 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: it as if it was some type of fucking high 278 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: school prank, right, like oh look at look at Ronda 279 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 1: Santis and Abbott one up being. It wasn't about people. 280 00:18:39,359 --> 00:18:42,360 Speaker 1: There was no people with regard to this. They were 281 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: political footballs. And so I want to talk for a 282 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:49,760 Speaker 1: moment as you two, you know, have you you Mardia 283 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:55,840 Speaker 1: have created a media empire that is centered around it 284 00:18:56,000 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: is it is an empire that's centered around black But 285 00:19:02,119 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 1: that's what you guys have done. And why is that? 286 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 1: Because because the mainstream media, that's the kind of ship 287 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,880 Speaker 1: that they do. They look at black and brown people 288 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,359 Speaker 1: then they say, oh ha hahaha, here's another sad story. 289 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 1: Here's another this, that and the other thing. But they're 290 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: not calling a thing of things. So I want to 291 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: talk about the use of language here, the use of 292 00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:29,440 Speaker 1: trafficking the use of cruelty, and why the media would 293 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 1: run a story like the Washington Post did with regard 294 00:19:33,320 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: to Look, these people are happy, right, They're happy to 295 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: be used as political pawns. They're happy to be be humanized, right, 296 00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:46,320 Speaker 1: to essentially soften the blow so that white people don't 297 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:50,680 Speaker 1: look at their reflection and say to themselves, goddamn, we're cruel. Hey, 298 00:19:50,680 --> 00:19:54,400 Speaker 1: I'm David Plots of slaves. Political Gabfest. 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No, I'm sure that the reporter, 307 00:20:23,160 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 1: I'm sure that the reporter who spoke to that person. 308 00:20:25,880 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: First of all, there's a lot there, right, How did 309 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:33,920 Speaker 1: they know that it was Ronda santistis so? But let's 310 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,360 Speaker 1: just say that that reporter was just like, oh my god, 311 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,360 Speaker 1: I hit I hit a gold mine here. I've never 312 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: heard anybody say this. This is just so not expected. 313 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 1: The thing is is that that is so again dehumanizing, 314 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:48,800 Speaker 1: because you have no context in which to understand somebody 315 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 1: who's in that in this position, they have been again 316 00:20:53,320 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: duped lie to Suddenly somebody's with a camera and says, hey, 317 00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,639 Speaker 1: Ronda Santists is the person who brought you here? What 318 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 1: do you want want to say to them? And they're like, 319 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,360 Speaker 1: who brought you Ronda Santis? I just want to say 320 00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:07,480 Speaker 1: thank you to Ronda Santist because you got me out 321 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: of that ice hell detention fucking concentration camp and I'm 322 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: here and I'm breathing free, and I'm gonna make it 323 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:23,080 Speaker 1: here because again, the people who are treated like less 324 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: than are actually so they embody the most most incredible 325 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,960 Speaker 1: parts of our humanity, Danielle. That is what makes me sad, right, 326 00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 1: that is why I'm like, these are people who I 327 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 1: have met on multiple different trips, on occasions at the borders, 328 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: sleeping on the floor in the sidewalk, in a caravan, 329 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 1: in a jungle, goes many that. Man, they're humanity. You know. 330 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: All you hear is like, you know, human traffickers, and 331 00:21:51,440 --> 00:21:54,400 Speaker 1: they're like, you know, they take advantage and they steal it. 332 00:21:54,400 --> 00:21:58,000 Speaker 1: It's not safe. I'm not painting it like that. But 333 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:02,359 Speaker 1: the reason why my travel in a caravan is because 334 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: that way, they can take care of each other and 335 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:09,800 Speaker 1: the caravan could be me, you and Julio Indian. This 336 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: we make up the people. We look like the people 337 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 1: who are on that caravan, and we are taking care 338 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 1: of each other. That's why when I was on the caravan, 339 00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 1: I was like, so, you have this whole community of 340 00:22:20,600 --> 00:22:24,640 Speaker 1: Haitians who are moving along in the caravan, and they 341 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:28,240 Speaker 1: are being protected by a lot of brown people who 342 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,080 Speaker 1: are around them, who are making sure that they're not 343 00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:35,480 Speaker 1: attacked because they're black. Yeah, so we don't hear that. 344 00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: We don't hear that level of complexity. We see that. 345 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,399 Speaker 1: So it breaks my heart. And I'm going to tell 346 00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:45,280 Speaker 1: you something that somebody said to me because I was 347 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,119 Speaker 1: in Chicago right around when a lot of this was 348 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: kind of hitting the front pages. I was in Chicago, 349 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: my hometown, and I had a black cab driver and 350 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: we were going to a hair and it was like 351 00:22:55,640 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 1: the end of the cab drive because I was trying 352 00:22:57,480 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 1: not to talk politics, but I did just ask him, 353 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,640 Speaker 1: so what do you think about this? And he said, well, 354 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's I mean, I don't 355 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: know why they're flying them around because we have veterans 356 00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: who need to be taken care of, and why are 357 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: they getting this special treatment? And they shouldn't be flowing 358 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: around that's treating them like really special. And I was 359 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:23,560 Speaker 1: just like, whoa what? And I said, sir, with all 360 00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:26,639 Speaker 1: due respect, and I usually don't but I had not 361 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,159 Speaker 1: identified myself because I was with my family, so I 362 00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:32,160 Speaker 1: was more just like curiosity. Other times when I'm talking 363 00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:35,640 Speaker 1: to people in a cab, I identify myself and then 364 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,840 Speaker 1: I don't offer an opinion, right I'm interviewing them. In 365 00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,600 Speaker 1: this case, he didn't know who I was, and I 366 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,480 Speaker 1: just said, so, I need to talk to you a 367 00:23:44,520 --> 00:23:48,639 Speaker 1: little bit about that, and I explained to him deconstructing 368 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,520 Speaker 1: a situation. He was just like, oh, okay, I see. 369 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,280 Speaker 1: But it was very interesting that in the black community, 370 00:23:56,520 --> 00:24:00,880 Speaker 1: somewhere along the line someone had been saying, oh, here 371 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: they are getting that treatment, that they're getting all that, 372 00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: and it's like no. And the fact that I mean, 373 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:09,720 Speaker 1: I didn't see many of the pictures because I really 374 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: was not trying to be part of the circus. But 375 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:19,120 Speaker 1: there migration, migrants and refugees are increasingly black, right, So 376 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: this is saying a black person to another black person. No, no, 377 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 1: you can't have that. What So we have to we 378 00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: have to deconstruct this all. And and that's why I 379 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,040 Speaker 1: took the moment. I was like, let me just try 380 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:35,480 Speaker 1: and talk like a fellow Chicagoan. And he was very receptive, 381 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 1: by the way, very very well. That's the way you are. 382 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 1: I mean once I've seen you in action in cabs. 383 00:24:44,200 --> 00:24:46,719 Speaker 1: But but that But you're absolutely right, Daniel, Like I 384 00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 1: think what we're seeing is just how poorly we have 385 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 1: covered this issue for years, and we've just allowed it 386 00:24:57,040 --> 00:25:01,480 Speaker 1: as American like as an American journalist, like industry. It's 387 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,639 Speaker 1: just what it is, right. So you know, I've I 388 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 1: wouldn't say I'm kind of done calling out the ship 389 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,320 Speaker 1: because you know, I've written and Maria has written in 390 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,040 Speaker 1: the book and written has said no, no human beings 391 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: illegal based on Ellie by Cell and and I've written. 392 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,719 Speaker 1: You know, I had the ap like I was like, 393 00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,040 Speaker 1: why do you continue to use like wave of migrant 394 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:25,119 Speaker 1: like I got them on record, right, But what's interesting, 395 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: what's interesting, and this is what we've allowed to happen. 396 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 1: And this is years and years and years, and Maria 397 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: can can attest to this, you know, during the days 398 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,679 Speaker 1: of lue Dabs and CNN, and there's always two sides 399 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 1: of everything of migration, and even when they were the 400 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: big massive May Day protests of demonstrations of all these 401 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 1: like Latinos and Latinas and immigrants and their allies, and 402 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: you know, in the aughts, like it's always been scaring 403 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,879 Speaker 1: other two thousand and six, it's scary. It's the brown 404 00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: people are here, right. We've allowed that as a society 405 00:25:56,880 --> 00:25:58,760 Speaker 1: to be like, oh, there's another side to this. So 406 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,719 Speaker 1: like the lu dabs, hate speech has led to you know, 407 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 1: there's nothing different from a Tucker Carlson now. And the 408 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 1: difference now than I would say, is that we have 409 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: allowed a right wing media machine to just own this 410 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: narrative and basically just you know it. You know the 411 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,880 Speaker 1: fact that Fox News got tipped on the desantist thing 412 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: right as an exclusive like Fox News and and but 413 00:26:24,119 --> 00:26:26,760 Speaker 1: what's happened now is like it's so obvious, like once 414 00:26:26,760 --> 00:26:30,439 Speaker 1: that goes into the to the newsphere, you literally have 415 00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:37,240 Speaker 1: created two cams. And the problem is it, like I 416 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: view migration as like racism, right, there's no other side 417 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, but we've allowed that. We've 418 00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:49,439 Speaker 1: allowed that because of the fear of the other, because 419 00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:54,360 Speaker 1: the American tradition of xenophobia has driven this forever. And 420 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:59,639 Speaker 1: because that, and because of the fact that the mainstream 421 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 1: media is overwhelmingly owned the bucks. The buck stops with me, 422 00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:11,520 Speaker 1: editors in chief, all the way down. And for them, 423 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 1: they have been raised, right, white men, white sis, men 424 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 1: of privilege who present heterosexual and some of them are 425 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: my best friends, right, I love them, But they have 426 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 1: been raised consuming media that has this legacy of what 427 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: Julio is talking about. For decades, the narrative has been 428 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,920 Speaker 1: immigrants are a problem. Immigrants and refugees are a problem. 429 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,760 Speaker 1: I mean, basically it. In nineteen eighty six is when 430 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: Ronald Reagan, right, I mean like people a horrible, horrible, 431 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:50,600 Speaker 1: a warmonger with so much blood on his hands, but 432 00:27:50,880 --> 00:27:53,080 Speaker 1: that he would be the one that would do a 433 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:58,159 Speaker 1: massive legalization right of three million people. Beyond that, in 434 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,879 Speaker 1: the nineteen nineties, we know that at Bill Clinton actually 435 00:28:02,359 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: ran on an anti immigrant platform. He ran on tow 436 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,640 Speaker 1: the line. You know, it wasn't like build the wall, 437 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,120 Speaker 1: but it was like it needs to stop illegal immigrants, 438 00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 1: need to stop coming, this whole thing and so um 439 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: so they these men who are running all the media, 440 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: they've they've never heard anything else because they don't watch this. 441 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 1: But we don't give a fuck because we're doing our thing, 442 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,000 Speaker 1: because we are doing our thing because we are descendants 443 00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: of Frederick Douglas who understand what our responsibility is to 444 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: be journalists of conscience and to be talking about this 445 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 1: on whatever platform however we can in order to save 446 00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: what Frederick Douglas loved the most, which was his democracy. Right, yeah, democracy? Yeah, 447 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: you know we can go on and on, Daniel, No, 448 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: I know, and with and with a couple of minutes, 449 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,800 Speaker 1: you know that I that I have with you. You know, 450 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: how do you think that this is going to play 451 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: with mid terms? We only have but a handful of 452 00:29:08,040 --> 00:29:11,000 Speaker 1: weeks until the most I mean, I know that we 453 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: say this in every guy an election, that it's the 454 00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 1: most consequential election, but this really is. Let me give 455 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: you one of the most. Yeah. But let me give 456 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: you like a specific example that we ran at Latino 457 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 1: rubbles Um last week. Idaho state reps are dressing up 458 00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:30,720 Speaker 1: as like stereotypical Mexicans to be like I'm you know, 459 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 1: they're running force office. They're like, oh, I'm gonna get 460 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 1: dressed to go to Martha's vineyard like it's done, Like 461 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: the Santis has gotten his like like they they have 462 00:29:42,560 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: played the card. Oh my god, Hollywood, I mean, Halloween 463 00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: is going to be terrible. You know, they have played 464 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: the card anyone that brings us up is woke. And 465 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,400 Speaker 1: and you know, like just in the you know, bias 466 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: and all that, this is what they're they're doubling down 467 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:03,920 Speaker 1: and sadly, sadly because this issue, this issue has not 468 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: been framed correctly for years. Sadly, there's gonna be plenty 469 00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:12,640 Speaker 1: of people who are going to be voting in the 470 00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: mid terms because all these like quote unquote illegals right 471 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: are taking over this country, you know I'm talking about 472 00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:28,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I have people in Massachusetts who are messaging 473 00:30:28,280 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: me they know what I do for a living, like 474 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: and people in my you know, my town to be 475 00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:36,440 Speaker 1: like this can't happen, right, this is this is the 476 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: end of America. They've won that message. This is the 477 00:30:40,520 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: the problem is the only way you're making me so 478 00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:45,400 Speaker 1: depressed right now. The only way you out message that 479 00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:48,640 Speaker 1: message is that you look at places like you have 480 00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: to believe that there's more people in this right tree 481 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 1: Kansas who need to be civically engaged to cancel that 482 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 1: shit out. And that's in Kansas too. I mean, like 483 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: take Kansas for you when you take about what happened 484 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: with women's rights to choose, and no one thought Kansas, 485 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: we're gonna and people are like, oh, hell no, this 486 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 1: is a constitutional right. Yeah, what are your thoughts? I mean, 487 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,640 Speaker 1: I don't want to like but as we fail, I 488 00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 1: don't want to make you hopeless here. You know what 489 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: I I I am very worried, you know, um, as 490 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: I am before every election in this country. Um. And 491 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: I'm worried because you know, increasingly every election in this 492 00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:28,720 Speaker 1: country is um an opportunity for some camps to lessen 493 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: our experience with democracy. Right, So you know, January twentieth 494 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,080 Speaker 1: was not a surprise to the three of us here. 495 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,440 Speaker 1: We were like, this ship can happen, Oh, calm down. 496 00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,560 Speaker 1: January January sixth, January Ye did I say, did I 497 00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 1: say January twenty six? Yes? One six one six yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 498 00:31:55,840 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: we we knew. So I am. I'm worried, and at 499 00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:05,320 Speaker 1: the same time there are pockets of hope. I'm I 500 00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: guess the thing that I'm most worried about is that is, 501 00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:14,440 Speaker 1: people are are trying to figure out how to stay alive, 502 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 1: you know, in this weird are we in a pandemic 503 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: or not situation, trying to make sure that their jobs 504 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:25,960 Speaker 1: are hunger down. You know, everybody's probably holding down at 505 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:30,160 Speaker 1: least one, if you're lucky, two maybe three jobs, you know, 506 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:35,719 Speaker 1: piecing shit together in the sense that the urgency of 507 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 1: our democracy is in a very fragile state. I don't 508 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 1: know if it's kind of landing on people who are 509 00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,600 Speaker 1: just overwhelmed with it all, who should, in fact and 510 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 1: would probably vote correctly in terms of their interests, but 511 00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: just are like, you know what, like I'm just done 512 00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: with the whole right, and this was also and this 513 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 1: was part of the plan. Right, nothing, nothing works, nothing functions, 514 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:10,560 Speaker 1: It's all rigged. No government function. No. So therefore the 515 00:33:10,640 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: total deconstruction of Like, so why do I give a shit? 516 00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: Which is where you know, the worst interest in terms 517 00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:24,000 Speaker 1: of kind of making the United States into irrelevancy. The 518 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:28,160 Speaker 1: world's greatest democracy is then reduced to a place where 519 00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: less than half of the population votes. So um, So 520 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:34,520 Speaker 1: I'm worried, but you know, I try to stay upbeat 521 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:46,040 Speaker 1: by looking for birds in the wild. No, no, there 522 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: is there is a relationship. Because I'm like, I'm like, look, 523 00:33:49,840 --> 00:33:52,280 Speaker 1: it's not like I love Let me explain this. It's 524 00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,920 Speaker 1: not like I love eagles. Okay, because I've really trying 525 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,959 Speaker 1: to understand this. Right, I have become an eagle whisperer. 526 00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,120 Speaker 1: I am an eagle follower in my place in Connecticut, 527 00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:05,480 Speaker 1: right which is a tiny cottage. But here's the thing. 528 00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: It's not that it's the patriotic symbol of the United 529 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:10,400 Speaker 1: States of America, and that's what it is. When I 530 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:15,720 Speaker 1: was a little girl, eagles were almost extinct. We would 531 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:21,840 Speaker 1: see commercials on television with people crying because the eagle 532 00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:24,680 Speaker 1: was extinct, and it was like, how did we let 533 00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:28,719 Speaker 1: this happen? And Thune says for me to see eagles 534 00:34:28,760 --> 00:34:32,279 Speaker 1: that I can see with my binoculars and without my binoculars, 535 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,279 Speaker 1: because she's like, Hi, what's up. We're friends now we talk, 536 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:40,080 Speaker 1: you know. But the fact that I can see more 537 00:34:40,120 --> 00:34:43,360 Speaker 1: than one eagle and that they are the eagles spotted 538 00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:46,360 Speaker 1: right here in New York City, in Harlem. Maybe not 539 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:49,759 Speaker 1: right now, but this is to me a sign of well, shit, 540 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: there's some hope, right you know, which is really what 541 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,720 Speaker 1: Frederick Douglas and Harriet Tubman taught us, right, liberation dreams. 542 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:02,880 Speaker 1: You just keep on doing those liberation dreams. Everybody's going 543 00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 1: to call you crazy the way they have called the 544 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 1: three of us, and we're just like fine, yeah whatever. 545 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: You know, I just will tell the both of you, UM, 546 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,400 Speaker 1: what gives me, what continues to give me the mustard 547 00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,040 Speaker 1: seat of hope that that I hold onto with all 548 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: dear life is you know, the work that you all do, 549 00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,520 Speaker 1: the and I don't joke, the empire that you have 550 00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 1: built and continue to build. The you know, uh Maria, 551 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,520 Speaker 1: the books, the book that you have that is that 552 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: is coming out you know once I was you UM 553 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:43,560 Speaker 1: to encourage young people, um to recognize their voice and 554 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:47,239 Speaker 1: their power. Like that's all we can do. And so 555 00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 1: I just you know, so I say that, like I 556 00:35:50,520 --> 00:35:52,799 Speaker 1: don't know if the freedom that we're fighting for we 557 00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 1: will fully see, but i'd sure as how no, that 558 00:35:56,200 --> 00:36:00,440 Speaker 1: it's it's worth of continuing on the path because of 559 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,319 Speaker 1: what of what the two of you, UM continue to 560 00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,800 Speaker 1: give voice, to give light to and give representation to. 561 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:12,160 Speaker 1: So you know, my my friends, UM, you know, if folks, 562 00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 1: if you don't listen to in the thick, I don't 563 00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,160 Speaker 1: know what you're doing, but you should. Uh. If you 564 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: don't listen, if you don't listen to Latino rebels, I 565 00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,839 Speaker 1: don't know what you're doing, because you should. Um and 566 00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,840 Speaker 1: go and pre order Maria's new book once I was 567 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,120 Speaker 1: you finding my voice and pass right right on this 568 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:36,440 Speaker 1: Pulleit surprised winning journalists. Um, but let's let's keep talking, 569 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,919 Speaker 1: friends so that we don't we don't lose. This one's 570 00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,480 Speaker 1: for kids here, I'm men, wait before we leave. I 571 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:45,880 Speaker 1: know this is gonna make um Danielle happy because we 572 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:49,560 Speaker 1: always try to so first Latino and Latina and latin 573 00:36:49,719 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: X and Latina, all of us. We like to get 574 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:56,640 Speaker 1: it on. So here's the thing. The median age of 575 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,920 Speaker 1: Latinos and Latinos in the United States is now eleven, 576 00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:04,839 Speaker 1: the age that this book was written for. Wow, that's 577 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,400 Speaker 1: all you need to know. That's all you need to 578 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: know about the future of democracy, the future of everything 579 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:15,640 Speaker 1: is that. And those kids are black, Afro Latino. Yeah, 580 00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:19,239 Speaker 1: they are indigenous Latino and they are mixture of all. 581 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:22,759 Speaker 1: So that is our future. But Danielle, thank you so 582 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,400 Speaker 1: much for all your love we love you. Next next time, 583 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: next time I play data, you come to us. I 584 00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,960 Speaker 1: love cousin play dates. It's the best. Thank you guys, 585 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:43,840 Speaker 1: appreciate you, Love you. That is it for me today, 586 00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,279 Speaker 1: Dear friends on woke app as always, power to the 587 00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:51,160 Speaker 1: people and to all the people power, get woke and 588 00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:52,759 Speaker 1: stay woke as fuck.