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Speaker 1: your hosts Brian brought us, Jeff Kavanaugh, Kyle Yeomans, and

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Speaker 1: David Hellman. It's Thursday, April the fourteenth, twenty two. The

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Speaker 1: draft is two weeks away, and we are here to

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Speaker 1: get you through the home stretch. I'm David Hellman. I'm

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Speaker 1: joined by Jeff, Brian Kyle. Like the Big Voice said,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another episode of the Draft Show, presented by

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Speaker 1: Miller Litte, the only beer of the Dallas Cowboys. Guys,

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Speaker 1: we actually have news, if you want to call it that,

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Speaker 1: or at least something different to talk about besides arguing

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Speaker 1: player prospects. Jerry Jones spoke for the first time in

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Speaker 1: a few weeks. Yesterday Cowboys announced a new corporate partnership

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Speaker 1: with Blockchain dot Com. I knew you're gonna say. I

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Speaker 1: was gonna say, spare me the joke, please, Jeff. But

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Speaker 1: that's okay. You did it anyway? He basically, you know,

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Speaker 1: he answered a couple questions that weren't about cryptocurrency, one

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Speaker 1: of which being his preferences in this draft class. And

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Speaker 1: he did say, quote, I would trade up in this

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Speaker 1: draft since we're down as low as we are in

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Speaker 1: those first two or three rounds. And of course the

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Speaker 1: internet lost its damn mine, because that's all you really

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Speaker 1: can do is overreact to tidbits of information when it

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Speaker 1: comes to the draft. I would love to have a

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Speaker 1: conversation about this, and if we could, we'll just say

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Speaker 1: the first three because those are the big, big valuable

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Speaker 1: picks in any draft. What do you think that would

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Speaker 1: look like in all three of these phases if the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys were to try to get aggressive in this trade,

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Speaker 1: how far do you want to go? I mean, I know,

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Speaker 1: I think his up means down because he said like

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Speaker 1: they trade it up for Travis Frederick, which was a

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Speaker 1: trade doll, So he's playing opposite I okay, I understand,

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Speaker 1: I understand the confusion there. But he did say we're

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Speaker 1: down as low as we are, yeah, which is to

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Speaker 1: say you're back in the latter half. I think he

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Speaker 1: meant going up. Okay, Well, then now let's determine who

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Speaker 1: he's going up for. And you really can't just take

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Speaker 1: the thirty visit list, but if you want to, you can.

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Speaker 1: You know, um, and I know you're captain. Trade down

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Speaker 1: or trade back, and that's cool. Jeff made his feelings

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Speaker 1: about this. Now no, no, I mean, I'm I understand,

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Speaker 1: I understand, but okay, let me ask you. You're not

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Speaker 1: Charles Cross the only one you're going for? Or you're

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Speaker 1: gonna go try and get one of these receivers. I

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Speaker 1: would not move up for a receiver. Okay. I do

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Speaker 1: think Charles Cross might be the only name on their

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Speaker 1: we have to determine it might not be somebody on

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Speaker 1: I was just talking about this this morning, and it's

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Speaker 1: just something I want people to remember, like knowing the

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Speaker 1: thirty list, knowing the guys they've talked to does help. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and inevitably they target guys that they are familiar with.

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Speaker 1: It is not the gospel by any stretch of the imagination,

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Speaker 1: Like they routinely draft guys that were not I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you that. Yeah, I'll tell you what Jerry might have done.

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Speaker 1: He might have thrown the chum in the water to

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Speaker 1: tell somebody that they're interested in moving. But also I

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Speaker 1: think land Zerline did a really good mock draft that

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Speaker 1: because sometimes the Cowboys will sit there and people jump them,

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Speaker 1: like you're doing a trade math over. I am doing

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Speaker 1: don't know if anybody would ever realistically accept that we

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Speaker 1: Is it realistic that they would give up eighty eight? Well,

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Speaker 1: you Zion Johnson is your first pick at twenty four,

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Speaker 1: go somewhere and talk to me again. I'm gonna be

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Speaker 1: tracking if I've taken my offensive lineman, because like Dane

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Speaker 1: Brugler did his seven round mock draft on the Athletic

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Speaker 1: and it's awesome. Go check it out, and he didn't

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Speaker 1: my three best receivers. Not he's not on the roster yet.

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Speaker 1: So if you tell me I take an offensive lineman,

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Speaker 1: then I'm watching the receivers and I want to be

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Speaker 1: told let's say the first round, because five, six, seven

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Speaker 1: what I want to know is where is George Pickens? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: George Pickens was the name as soon as Brian that question. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that and then maybe we can? I think he would.

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Speaker 1: to take Sam Williams from from Old Miss so again

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Speaker 1: using we'll just use Dan's mox since he did seven rounds.

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Speaker 1: I give up Joanni Woods, who I really liked, the

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Speaker 1: every day, all day, every day. That's your tight end. One. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and George Pickens is my wide receiver. Three. Though you

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Speaker 1: are really high on Sam Williams. I like Sam Way.

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Speaker 1: I like him, just not as much as George Pickins.

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Speaker 1: Like Sam Williams won't be my favorite player at fifty six. Sure,

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Speaker 1: there's no way. And Gelanni Woods could be my favorite

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Speaker 1: number twenty four. That's how much I think that he

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Speaker 1: is an absolute baller if he didn't tear up a

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Speaker 1: knee in spring ball Top fifteen pick Maybe let me

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Speaker 1: flip this for you guys. Then what if I tell

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Speaker 1: you you take Chris O' lobby at twenty four, And

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Speaker 1: I know it's not your favorite player, but just say cowboys,

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Speaker 1: cowboys take a Lobby at twenty four. Now what are

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Speaker 1: we going up for in the second round? Green or Johnson?

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Speaker 1: If one of those guys falls out of the first lay, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you get a guard. Get a guard in mind you

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Speaker 1: you're liking Board and Johnson. Mine, I guess would be

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Speaker 1: that's what we that's what they can hear. The value

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Speaker 1: much the league loves Central Michigan left tackle Bernard Raymond.

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Speaker 1: Maybe he's a four an NFL team who thinks that's

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Speaker 1: their future left tackle, you'd go up to a number

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Speaker 1: on my tackle board. Yeah, he's my fifth tackle als. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: telling Daniel Jeremiah mock drafts, Bucky Brooke mocks draps. That's

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Speaker 1: Here you go thirty seven, George Pickens goes sky Moore,

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Speaker 1: rebuild his team. Ballard. Ballard will stand in there at

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Speaker 1: trading up to forty two for Sky Moore. Now that's

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Speaker 1: start calling about skies. When somebody takes Christian Watson ahead

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Speaker 1: Jets are at thirty eight. Texans are at thirty seven. Okay, Texans,

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Speaker 1: You're also at pick thirty seven. Yeah, let's party. That

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Speaker 1: you guys, you guys. I love pickings, man, I really do.

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Speaker 1: I would have to, I mean, just take them at twenty.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm Jerry Jones, Stephen Jones. I'm not gonna

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Speaker 1: lose my job. Let's go. I mean, seriously, if you're

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Speaker 1: You're thinking, well, hell, somebody else's problem. You know that

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Speaker 1: I think that's why Jerry should be more aggressive than

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Speaker 1: everybody else. They're not gonna lose their jobs. Tell me

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Speaker 1: if I'm crazy for thinking this. And I like Pickens,

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Speaker 1: But if you're jumping all the way up into the thirties,

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Speaker 1: I would rather And again we're just we're trying to

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Speaker 1: get a range. I'd rather get my receiver at twenty four. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and hope that Zion or Kenyan Greene falls into the

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Speaker 1: twenty five. Okay, and I think anyways, Alave goes twenty two,

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Speaker 1: that's devastating. You could get to thirty seven if we

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Speaker 1: you would have to package fifty six and eighty eight.

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Speaker 1: That gets you to four hundred and ninety trade points

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Speaker 1: more you need, Yeah, you need basically fifty and then

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Speaker 1: I would package two of those fifth round picks. We

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Speaker 1: can we send him a player? Can we send them

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Speaker 1: because this goes against everything I stand for and everything

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Speaker 1: that the day, honestly, honestly, because what this falls into

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Speaker 1: is just arrogance in your own evaluations. Yeah, is saying that, look,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to give up four picks because that's the

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Speaker 1: right guy, and it's an it's a bad idea in

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Speaker 1: a vacuum. I'll never right. There's a lot of guys

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Speaker 1: it's the right guy. I'm not Look, I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: Wait wait wait, wait, wait, real quick, real quick, I'm

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Speaker 1: if we were going up, If we're going up in

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Speaker 1: would I think Skymore. And this is I think this

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Speaker 1: Skymore will be a good slot receiver in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: I promise. Can he play outside at all? Yes? Which,

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Speaker 1: I like where, I like where our heads are right now.

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Speaker 1: I mean, taking forty shows, sky Moore is now realistically

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Speaker 1: just realistic because the gentleman's my right. It's less about

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Speaker 1: it's not a conversation. It's less about skyting investigation of

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Speaker 1: the sky Morris ability. It's less about sky Moore for

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Speaker 1: so we've determined you take a guard at twenty four,

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Speaker 1: I think, I mean, I understand if it doesn't thrill

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Speaker 1: They've They've given you enough of an indication. And again

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Speaker 1: it's steal Bob Seger song. Working on mysteries without any clues. No,

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Speaker 1: you got the clues you've got the clues they're telling you.

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Speaker 1: They send coaches to work out dan Quinn is gonna

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Speaker 1: never forget. I will never forget twenty fourteen because it's

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Speaker 1: Brian's favorite day. Because the first round ends, everybody goes

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Speaker 1: Friday afternoon. He's like, and in classic Brian fashion's just like,

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Speaker 1: just get ready, boys, they're gonna trade this pick up.

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Speaker 1: They're gonna go get their pass rusher. And we're just like,

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Speaker 1: they're going up to get to Marcus Lawrence. And that's

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Speaker 1: exactly what they did. Wow, there's precedence for it, and

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Speaker 1: it turned out to not be a terrible call. I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you're if you're gonna trade away a third round pick,

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Speaker 1: which pissed me off at the time, I hope it's

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Speaker 1: We'll be busy as hell on Saturday. Just keep we're

424
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Speaker 1: telling that they could trade up again. Like, hey, guys,

425
00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:13,320
Speaker 1: they can jump right back in at any moment, right, Yeah,

426
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Speaker 1: I know you got to go to break, But what

427
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,200
Speaker 1: would it take to go up if you had to

428
00:21:17,200 --> 00:21:19,480
Speaker 1: to get Sam Williams? Are you sitting tight and waiting

429
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:22,240
Speaker 1: at fifty six? I mean they go up for Sam Williams.

430
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Speaker 1: I quit, They may do that. That's I quit. I'm

431
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:30,639
Speaker 1: saying why because it's not worth it. I mean, but again,

432
00:21:30,720 --> 00:21:33,040
Speaker 1: like again, like I even think the word athletic pass

433
00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 1: rusher is a made up word for him. Why his

434
00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:38,680
Speaker 1: athletic score is good because he didn't run the shuttles.

435
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,960
Speaker 1: He didn't run the shuttles for a reason. He's a

436
00:21:42,000 --> 00:21:44,680
Speaker 1: big guy that can run fast and jump high. You

437
00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:46,399
Speaker 1: gotta give that to him. Yeah, he can. He can

438
00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:48,879
Speaker 1: run fast and jump high. But pass rushing is not

439
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:52,119
Speaker 1: straight up? How fast can you run? I got in

440
00:21:52,160 --> 00:21:55,000
Speaker 1: trouble for defending tacos, so maybe I should shut my mouth.

441
00:21:55,440 --> 00:22:00,480
Speaker 1: Watch it, pal, like Sam Williams is my edge number ten.

442
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:05,159
Speaker 1: That's a little low. I have him at seven. Like

443
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 1: Nick Benito is a better pass rusher. Boy A Mafe

444
00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:10,320
Speaker 1: is a better pass rush prospect. Arnold Ebi Katie is

445
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:14,480
Speaker 1: a better pass rush prospect. Ojabo is a better prospect.

446
00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 1: But the injuries the question mark, and then I think

447
00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,120
Speaker 1: you get to Sam Williams. So like fifty six, I'd

448
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,880
Speaker 1: be like yeah, going up, I'd be like, oh no,

449
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:25,720
Speaker 1: and then hope for the best. This is the class

450
00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:28,880
Speaker 1: Jeff is laying all that groundwork for win. Now it's like, man,

451
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Speaker 1: we hate this guy all that this is true. You

452
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Speaker 1: can you can influence everybody to not the people in

453
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Speaker 1: the room. They can say that I'm wrong and they disagree,

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Speaker 1: and then I love. I was nodding my head as

455
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Speaker 1: you were talking. To be honest, I don't want to

456
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Speaker 1: go up to get him, but I like Williams as

457
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Speaker 1: a player. Drake Jackson I have above him and stuff,

458
00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,600
Speaker 1: you're right, you're not. You have Drake Jackson above him.

459
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 1: I think that this is Brian hates this guy way

460
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Speaker 1: more than I do. This is the time of year

461
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Speaker 1: where I will just calmly remind everyone that team's grades

462
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Speaker 1: very wildly from what those of us. They don't give

463
00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 1: a right. They also don't give an that's my thing. No,

464
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 1: I'm just over here, like what cares what we think

465
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:08,600
Speaker 1: they're gonna do it. Store is going to be the

466
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Speaker 1: eighth receiver picked. I have him as number two. Okay,

467
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,840
Speaker 1: don't listen to me about anything, all right, Oh now

468
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Speaker 1: you're coming around to this. All those years for me

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Speaker 1: having to like the bosses, I killed that family for years.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm gonna be right, and it's gonna be like,

471
00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 1: oh my god, Jeff knows more than the league again.

472
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Speaker 1: But you don't have to think that right now. Just

473
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Speaker 1: think I'm an idiot. I was shockingly optimistic that we

474
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Speaker 1: were going to get out of this on time, and

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Speaker 1: we did not trade it for Stingley. Let's go to

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Speaker 1: break shop. Stop stop, let's we're going to break We're

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Speaker 1: taking a break. Talk about that next, and we'll talk

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Speaker 1: about that next. Yeah, just get the hell out of here.

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516
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Speaker 1: I love the way that y'all touch on things that

517
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Speaker 1: our listeners ask about. Because Jeff briefly brought him up

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Speaker 1: in the first segment, James says, I don't here about

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Speaker 1: much about North Dakota states Christian Watson. How would you

520
00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,880
Speaker 1: feel about him? At fifty six? I vote Kyle Goes

521
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Speaker 1: because I think, yeah, I think you like him. I do.

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Speaker 1: I like him more than probably both of you guys

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Speaker 1: a little bit. But the thing with Watson is he's

524
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Speaker 1: not only your developmental receiver and a guy who would

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Speaker 1: fit in perfectly as a two three guy on your roster.

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Speaker 1: I mean, Michael Gallup when he's out, Christian Watson's gonna play,

527
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Speaker 1: and he's gonna play a lot early on in the year.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna get a ton of valuable snaps. And he's

529
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Speaker 1: also probably gonna take Ceedee Lamb out of the return

530
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,360
Speaker 1: man sort of conversation, get him out of the return game,

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Speaker 1: get him out of special teams. It puts Christian Watson

532
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:44,920
Speaker 1: as a return specialist. Good athlete. He's got that speed,

533
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Speaker 1: he's got the body control on the outside he bought.

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Speaker 1: I mean, of course, you're looking at tape for the

535
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Speaker 1: majority of the time against the Northern Illinois and the

536
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Speaker 1: San Diego States whenever they get to play FBS competition,

537
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Speaker 1: But he ended up playing Michigan State route the season.

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00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:02,760
Speaker 1: He has good tape on that as well. I like

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00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: the way that he runs routes. I like the way

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00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:08,159
Speaker 1: that he uses his body to shield his himself from defenders.

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Speaker 1: Good player. Overall fifty six. I'm happy with him there.

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00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,120
Speaker 1: I don't want to trade up to go get him.

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00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 1: He's not in that George Pickens conversation by any means.

544
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:18,920
Speaker 1: But he's also not going to last to eighty eight.

545
00:27:18,960 --> 00:27:20,919
Speaker 1: So if he's your guy at fifty six, go and

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Speaker 1: do it. Man. You scared me with the word develop.

547
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: I came and said, I know, I said it, and

548
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: a developmental because I knew Jeff was. He kind of

549
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:31,760
Speaker 1: looked at me as soon as I said it, and

550
00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:33,680
Speaker 1: he was like, that's the point. Does that sound We're

551
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:37,280
Speaker 1: like eighty eight and fifty six. I definitely have fifty six, though,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I appreciate the way he gave the report.

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Speaker 1: But when you said, if I was sitting in a

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Speaker 1: room and you said that in a draftman, I would

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Speaker 1: be all over your ass about that, agreed. I would,

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Speaker 1: especially if I was fighting for another player. Sure, And

557
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,240
Speaker 1: but you know to me, I mean, and I know

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Speaker 1: when you said it, You're like, oh damn, these high

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00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:56,639
Speaker 1: going to come out said that that word chum in

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Speaker 1: the water. Yeah, you know, you described a player to

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Speaker 1: me that kind of sound like that he's gonna have

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00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,239
Speaker 1: to again develop. But then also then a player that

563
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Speaker 1: can do the return stuff and all that. Is that

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00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,320
Speaker 1: enough for a second round pick? That's the question you

565
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,560
Speaker 1: have to ask yourself about that. I just thought, I mean, which,

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Speaker 1: he's a good player. He really a Senior Bowl against No. No,

567
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: that's the thing about it. That's the thing about it

568
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Speaker 1: is though. I mean, but because if you're arguing that,

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Speaker 1: you know, I think that you and Dane, I mean,

570
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: you know that a little bit higher than me on that.

571
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Speaker 1: But to me, I could see it. I just wondered,

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Speaker 1: why somebody, you know, we've talked about this, this wasn't

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Speaker 1: the player that Dane was talking about that I was mentioned, like,

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Speaker 1: why is this guy not playing in the A SEC?

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Speaker 1: Why is he not playing in the SEC? Why? There

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Speaker 1: was somebody that was at Utah who was no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 1: It was a guy who had an offer to Utah,

578
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Speaker 1: but he went somewhere to play with his Oh it

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Speaker 1: was McCullum. Mccullumcullum, Sam. You see, I'm like thinking, Okay,

580
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Speaker 1: why does somebody in the in this Sam Houston corner,

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Speaker 1: Why is somebody in the Big twelve not signing? Well,

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Speaker 1: he had to offer to go play at Utah, you know,

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Speaker 1: I's like, Okay, now I get the same thing with Watson.

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Speaker 1: You know, somebody obviously in the ACCA or the Southeastern

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Speaker 1: Conference at Mississippi State or Old miss or one of

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Speaker 1: these places Kentucky missed this guy. He's from Tampa. He's

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Speaker 1: from Tampa. I scouted his dad, Tim. It's insane. Yeah,

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00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: a kid from Tampa couldn't get him. That's what I'm saying.

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00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: A great he's developed. I mean, but the majority of

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Speaker 1: his plays you watch it player chunk plays. I mean,

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00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:25,479
Speaker 1: he makes a lot of chunk catches. So I mean, Jeff,

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00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: you know better. It's every every week dot com dot

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Speaker 1: com on man because I wanted to see because I

594
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Speaker 1: don't have Dane's beast pulled up, so I wanted to

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00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: see if maybe Zeroline had Why he ended up at

596
00:29:35,280 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 1: North Dakota State. See, I always asked to have a

597
00:29:37,720 --> 00:29:39,560
Speaker 1: ton of production in high school. That was the thing.

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00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:42,720
Speaker 1: He went three years in high school and had rarely anything,

599
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Speaker 1: and then he kind of blew up as a senior,

600
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: got to a two star rating. But that was it.

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Speaker 1: That's why you always wonder about, like did somebody miss

602
00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: or was this kid late developing? You know, that's another

603
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,800
Speaker 1: question you have to kind of ask yourself, there's that

604
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: we're developing again. Now you bring up you bring up

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00:29:57,120 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 1: a good point on the developmental and it's a word

606
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Speaker 1: you I want to use for a high pick Yeah,

607
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stop using I'm gonna take it out of

608
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Speaker 1: my vocabulary. At fifty six, you're looking at this second

609
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Speaker 1: tier of wide receivers. Yeah, and I would put Pickens

610
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Speaker 1: at the top of that second tier list with Johan Dotson,

611
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Speaker 1: David Bell, Alec Pierce. This is not in any order,

612
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Speaker 1: by the way, I'm just kind of skipping around. Christian

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Speaker 1: Watson's in there, Calvin Austen Shakier outside of Pickens. Watson's

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Speaker 1: my number two, okay, out of the second tier of

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Speaker 1: wide receivers. So that's my thing. He's they're not to

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Speaker 1: that certain level where they're gonna come in and instantly

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Speaker 1: be the justin Jefferson's the Jamar Chases and then I

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Speaker 1: think that's williams Burke's Wilson London Olive. Right, He's not that,

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Speaker 1: but he's still gonna be a good player in the

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Speaker 1: NFL as soon as he's think I think these players

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Speaker 1: and jeff correct me if I'm wrong. I think these

622
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:50,280
Speaker 1: wide receivers in college are better equipped to step in.

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Speaker 1: There was a time when I was in scouting that

624
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: these wide receivers they had to learn how to have

625
00:30:54,560 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: releases and all that they got jam, they couldn't catch

626
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: the ball, all these problems. I think wide receivers in

627
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: this day and age, because the way college is sort

628
00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: of the football, are better equipped to play right off

629
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: the trigate college. These kids are traveling, going to tournaments

630
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,560
Speaker 1: yet the time they're like twelve. Yeah, it's crazy, but

631
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 1: I actually think that that's the when you're talking about

632
00:31:15,400 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 1: the wide receivers from college to pro as a whole,

633
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Speaker 1: I agree with you, and I think that's the unique

634
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,040
Speaker 1: part about Christian Watson is inside this group of wide receivers.

635
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: I do think he's the most raw of the top

636
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: ten receivers in the draft class, Like he's my wide

637
00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: receiver nine, which so as we're debating him, it's like

638
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: we're probably just debating players forty through sixty five. Not No,

639
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 1: he can't play like Christian Watson's an awesome combination of size, speed, athleticism. YEP.

640
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:49,120
Speaker 1: I also think in a run first, North Dakota State,

641
00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 1: North Dakota State scheme where he's never been a high

642
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: volume target and he's playing mostly against guys that can't

643
00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: compete with him with a ball in the air. That

644
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 1: there is the pharmacystem. Yeah, that there is a lot

645
00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: of room for growth. Now, could that be a rookie

646
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: starter as one of your three wide receivers, sure, accountant, Yeah,

647
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 1: but I think before he's an impact NFL player, he's

648
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 1: going to have to get accustomed to the fact that

649
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 1: there's more routes than just five yard stop route and

650
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: run by that guy. No, you're you're right. He showed

651
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,840
Speaker 1: that in Mobile though, like in the practices, his route

652
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,000
Speaker 1: tree was more than just that. He was able to

653
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 1: show that you saw him live. I mean you saw

654
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: him live. That's that's you can't discount seeing him a love.

655
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 1: That's the biggest thing for me is going into the

656
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:28,920
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. He was kind of a no name guy,

657
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 1: and of course we kind of go down the Senior

658
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: Bowl guys first. But ever since seeing him kind of

659
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,240
Speaker 1: elevate his game against that competition in Mobile, you look

660
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,240
Speaker 1: at it as a Okay, he could do that. He

661
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: may be a late developer. He may just not have

662
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: had the production in high school to get those sp

663
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 1: fbs looks. Now he should have. Now you know that

664
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 1: maybe he was missed and maybe he's a guy that

665
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: can come in and contribute early. He's aced the pre

666
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 1: draft process for sure. Yeah, I mean I have And

667
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,600
Speaker 1: I know this isn't scientific, but I've seen mocks that

668
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,000
Speaker 1: are sneaking him into the back end of the first round. Sure,

669
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 1: really like to a Kansas City or something like that.

670
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 1: As long as we're talking about receivers, Rob wants to know,

671
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: and I know we've talked about Alec Pierce out of Cincinnati,

672
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: but like the range where you would draft him, and

673
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:17,400
Speaker 1: I'm going to add this to it. I would also

674
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 1: like to know the same for Khalil Shaker out of Boise,

675
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: who a lot of people have asked about, and I

676
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:28,040
Speaker 1: feel like we probably haven't talked about him enough. Both

677
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: of those guys. Seeing Shakier and Watson going head to

678
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 1: head and Mobile, that's why there's a considerable difference between

679
00:33:34,200 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: the two for me, because Shakier didn't necessarily impress me

680
00:33:36,800 --> 00:33:38,520
Speaker 1: a whole lot in Mobile. He still had a good

681
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: a good combine, good draft process. He has decent jumps.

682
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: He wasn't necessarily anybody that jumped off the page. But

683
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: he's in that second tier, that jumble of receivers that

684
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 1: you would take in the latter half of the second

685
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: into the third round. But he's not as exciting as

686
00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:58,440
Speaker 1: some of those other second round receivers that are out there.

687
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: I got pierced in the third and Shakire in the fourth. Yeah,

688
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,840
Speaker 1: that's how I've gotten rated Pierce in the third for me,

689
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 1: and then I also have Shaquiirra in the third, but

690
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: late third, I have both in the third. I actually

691
00:34:09,640 --> 00:34:13,560
Speaker 1: had Shaqiir above Pierce, but it's I mean we're talking

692
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,080
Speaker 1: same range, same area. I think Shaqiir is probably a

693
00:34:17,120 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: slot guy in the NFL and Pierce, like, he's one

694
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: of the guys that I think it could be really

695
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:24,799
Speaker 1: wrong about it and he could be a better pro

696
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: than I think he's going to be because like he

697
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:32,400
Speaker 1: he had good production. Yeah, he had an outstanding combine.

698
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 1: I just didn't speak. I didn't see that level of

699
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,040
Speaker 1: athleticism on tape. Like his his testing tells you that

700
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 1: he's an incredible athlete, but I just thought like he's

701
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 1: he's very inconsistent when it's like, hey, beat that guy

702
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:47,439
Speaker 1: in press coverage. Sometimes he can't get off the line,

703
00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: and then sometimes he smokes him. It was just kind

704
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: of up and down. He's very much when if you

705
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: watch Ritter, you know, there's like every ball seemed to

706
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: go to him, and it was like there were some

707
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,440
Speaker 1: bad balls that he was catching. He was going up.

708
00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: I think you're right. I don't there's some I think

709
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 1: there's a lack of separation at time, but this is

710
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: why I see the athletic ability of going up and

711
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: getting the ball. Now, maybe he's able. I mean you

712
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: see some red zone stuff where he's able to spin

713
00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 1: and look back and then all of a sudden the

714
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: balls there and he adjusts to it. So you know,

715
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: as we're watching here the Hodge stuff, that's the kind

716
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,800
Speaker 1: of stuff. I mean, he's always going to get against

717
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 1: Tulane right there he's covered and then you know he

718
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,640
Speaker 1: goes up and elevates and gets the football. That's just

719
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: the kind of thing. I mean, he's not going to

720
00:35:26,320 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: run away from a lot of people. That You're right about.

721
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: The testing numbers, they were very, very good. He had

722
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 1: eight touchdowns this past year, five in his career prior

723
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: to this season, but his eight touchdowns four of them

724
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 1: came inside the red zone, and another four of them

725
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 1: came outside. So he does have some deep threat ability,

726
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,560
Speaker 1: but he also, with his size and his body control,

727
00:35:44,640 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: can certainly be a red zone threat at six foot

728
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: two plus. TJ can't help, but note that the overall

729
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:55,200
Speaker 1: mood on the Parsons pick last year was at least

730
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: mild disappointment, if not outright disappointment. I think we were

731
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 1: all plays a different position. He does, he's he's he's

732
00:36:01,400 --> 00:36:04,200
Speaker 1: not hating guys. He's hating. He ain't guys hating. He's

733
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: I promise you he's not a passive aggressive player. No, no, no,

734
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: he's not. I think this is a fair question. He

735
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 1: I'm just kidding. He just wants to know a guy

736
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: you could pick at twenty four where you might initially

737
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,120
Speaker 1: say like okay, where you could wind up feeling a

738
00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: lot better. Zion Johnson's that guy for me. Yeah, oh,

739
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 1: I would agree with that one hundred. I mean, I mean,

740
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: I think you guys are old pick. No, that's what

741
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: I'm saying. You don't have a yeah, I'm saying and

742
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 1: me and and I understand, I understand why people like him.

743
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,359
Speaker 1: I do get that, you know, but I could say

744
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 1: the same damn thing about Green from Texas A and M.

745
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 1: I mean, there's these guards are not making me feel

746
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: all warm and fuzzy all of a sudden. But I

747
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 1: have a chance to be really, really really wrong about

748
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 1: that because there were some things I talked about. Was

749
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:51,360
Speaker 1: Zion Johnson with some of his hesitation and some of

750
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: the run block and stuff and things like that pass protection.

751
00:36:54,239 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: I mean, i've Green is a better player, but there's

752
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 1: Green's got faults too. I'm not going to sit there

753
00:36:58,680 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: and like when this, when of these get picked, I

754
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 1: think the consensus in the room, and sometimes that sometimes

755
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,959
Speaker 1: consensus is good. Let's need at the rams. He doesn't

756
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: like consensus. I kind of like when my scout buddies

757
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 1: tell me, no, man, hey listen, this is what you've

758
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: seen in the player, and this you just had a

759
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: bad day scouting. You know. That's kind of where I'm

760
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:18,719
Speaker 1: looking at. What Zion was Zion Johnson. So if you

761
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: love Zion, what do you got, Jeff? I think mine

762
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: would be Bernard Raymond. And maybe maybe you're right that

763
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: it's not a realistic pick. I just I see him

764
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:28,720
Speaker 1: on the thirty visit list. I see him being mocked

765
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,839
Speaker 1: in the twenties and thirties, and it's more realistic than

766
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: we're giving credit to. I think there's a big shot

767
00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:37,719
Speaker 1: because they've really honed in. Like Brian said in the

768
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 1: first segment with Clues, they have looked at this tackle

769
00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: class up and down. What is at the combine or

770
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: at the senior boar? He said it. Dave got the

771
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,439
Speaker 1: Jerry to say it at the at the owner's meeting,

772
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 1: I'm looking for a tackle, he said it. Davis standing

773
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:51,480
Speaker 1: right there like no on his head like we're looking

774
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: for a tackle? Was sitting actually cool And if you

775
00:37:54,280 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: want a big name, that's more fun. Chris Olove, I

776
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: wouldn't love it at twenty four. I would be thrilled

777
00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,960
Speaker 1: with Chris Olave at twenty just like receivers though, I

778
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,400
Speaker 1: mean I do, but I just I think Chris Lave's

779
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,120
Speaker 1: skill set really fits Dak Prescott. I think he's the

780
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 1: exact type of receiver. Dads, if they took Burkes instead

781
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,360
Speaker 1: of a Lobby, would you feel better? I would be

782
00:38:17,560 --> 00:38:19,920
Speaker 1: quote worse fit. But see the thing about it is

783
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,399
Speaker 1: it's always going to be and it's the and it's

784
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: in the right. He's got the passion for that that

785
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,320
Speaker 1: wide receiver for you know, for Skymore, I get it.

786
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:31,480
Speaker 1: I do. I totally understand. I love that. But but

787
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 1: if you anybody other than Skymore, say maybe as a

788
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 1: wide receiver, well, I think the difference here's the twenty

789
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,359
Speaker 1: four you would be like they could have taken sky More.

790
00:38:40,440 --> 00:38:41,719
Speaker 1: It's the camera on me. If we could get the

791
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,000
Speaker 1: camera be the difference between like Chris Olave and Skymore.

792
00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:47,040
Speaker 1: And this is coming from the only guy on planet

793
00:38:47,080 --> 00:38:51,840
Speaker 1: Earth who likes Skymore more than Chris Olave. This is

794
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: the difference. I don't have any muscle, but the difference

795
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 1: is you have caught the ball. Now what the answer

796
00:38:59,360 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 1: with Chris is the first guy to get here, I

797
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: fall sky Moore. That's not the answer. Get down, it's

798
00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: not the answer. He's going to break tackles. He's going

799
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: to get extra yards. And like Chris Alas, there's a

800
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: big room a hundred yards away with millions of dollars

801
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: worth of weights and we can get him in there,

802
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 1: you know, right, But now we're talking what we're talking

803
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 1: about is Ohio State might be nicer. We're talking about

804
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 1: we're talking about first round picks. And it's crazy because

805
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: I first of all. I love the wide receiver position,

806
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,880
Speaker 1: and I love the technicians, and Alab is basically a

807
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 1: flawless technician. Yeah, I just think that he is a

808
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:42,520
Speaker 1: thin dude that plays thin like DeVante Smith. I didn't

809
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 1: have a problem with because Davante Smith you couldn't press

810
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 1: him and alb can release. But inside routes when he

811
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 1: gets bumped or when he has the ball in his hands,

812
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: he's getting tackled, and I just I wish he had

813
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,640
Speaker 1: a little better play strength and that can develop. And

814
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:58,520
Speaker 1: that's why I wanted to throw his name out. There

815
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: should be a better conversation than Raymond Olave At twenty

816
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: four might turn out to be an amazing pick, but

817
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,879
Speaker 1: in my head, he's currently wide receiver seven. So I'd

818
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: just be like, I hope this works out. By the way,

819
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,919
Speaker 1: it's more I think about it. I think Ohio State

820
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: shoe budget might be more than the budget at Western

821
00:40:14,520 --> 00:40:18,400
Speaker 1: Michigan right now. Football, Yeah, shoe budget. My guy was

822
00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:21,839
Speaker 1: out there rocking twenty four West wide receiver number twenty four.

823
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,200
Speaker 1: Western was in a cotton bowl. Not all that long,

824
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: not a long ago. We watched to send another receiver

825
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: from there, probably not as good as a career as

826
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: maybe we thought, yeah, what do you got, Kyle? I

827
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: was gonna say with Olive specifically, you're you're talking about

828
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: thin not necessarily play strength. He's a technician of a

829
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 1: route runner. Why is that different than Ceedee Lamb from

830
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 1: just a general breaks tack? I know, And that's kind

831
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,040
Speaker 1: of my thing is if you wanted to really provide

832
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:52,320
Speaker 1: another fit for this offense and for Dak Prescott to

833
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 1: give him a different option to throw too, wouldn't you

834
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: look at the guys like a Drake London and then

835
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: Treyln Burkes and a sky More even because he is

836
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: a bit of a chain up from Ceedee Lamb to

837
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:03,719
Speaker 1: a certain extent. So and I just I think this

838
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 1: is the year that I've been against the consensus on

839
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,680
Speaker 1: wide receiver more than ever because, like I would take

840
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 1: Trail and Burke's over Drake London because to me, the

841
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:17,680
Speaker 1: NFL has really turned into I want two things from

842
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: my wide receivers. Get open and do it quick. Give

843
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,320
Speaker 1: him hell after you have the ball. Yeah, that's what

844
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Speaker 1: I want. Trail and Burkes may not be the best

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846
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Speaker 1: to say he's fast. Even though forty time is going

847
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Speaker 1: to disagree. I've watched him outrun Alabama's entire team. He's big,

848
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Speaker 1: he's fast, he's hell to tackle. You know what. You

849
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Speaker 1: know what scares me about Burks is will they use

850
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00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: Why were you two forty when you showed up for training? Yeah?

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00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:50,480
Speaker 1: I mean the thing about is to me, I think

853
00:41:50,520 --> 00:41:52,520
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Speaker 1: I just wonder, with the way his skill set is,

855
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Speaker 1: are you going to use him the right way? That's

856
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: the fear I have. Can I throw with a lobby?

857
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:03,560
Speaker 1: And I know we got to get to somewhere else,

858
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Speaker 1: but a lobby. I kind of thought of Terry Glynn

859
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860
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861
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 1: Terry Glynn was a catch it, running fast and fall

862
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Speaker 1: on the ground real quick. But but Terry Glynn, Harrison,

863
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:23,800
Speaker 1: Marvin Harrison run fall down real quick. Yeah, live to

864
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865
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Speaker 1: I kind of get wrong. I'll accept Marvin Harrison. I'm

866
00:42:30,719 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: sure you will. There's Marvin Harrison out there somewhere I'll

867
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Speaker 1: double down and say I would be pretty surprised if

868
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Speaker 1: Bernard Raymond is their pick at twenty four. Having said that,

869
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:42,080
Speaker 1: it's easy to forget that he's only been playing that

870
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871
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,279
Speaker 1: And I'm fine buying in on that upside. Okay, let's okay.

872
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:50,320
Speaker 1: Live with that. Can you live with that knowing that

873
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 1: your offensive line needs help? Now? Yeah? I mean, I

874
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:56,719
Speaker 1: think he's good enough to play right now. But is

875
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Speaker 1: he gonna plug and play you? That's the thing is

876
00:42:58,680 --> 00:43:00,800
Speaker 1: he's not going to play, And I agree with you.

877
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 1: That's why I don't think you would be the pick,

878
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 1: or at least part of it. Yeah, I give me,

879
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,439
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880
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Speaker 1: six of their day three picks. Should we go walk

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00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:10,319
Speaker 1: do the draft that day. No, I think I don't

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Speaker 1: I have really enjoyed bring tell me more back. It's

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Speaker 1: just glad you've had fun doing it. Yeah, because I

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961
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Speaker 1: I want it well experience said, demand to be the

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Speaker 1: rap on this thing. No, he's got two more weeks

964
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Speaker 1: and we're gonna finish strong. I want you to tell

965
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:30,040
Speaker 1: me more about Hassan Haskins, the Michigan running back. Me

966
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: go ahead, Jeff is always running back and that's all

967
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 1: you really need to even draft him. How about this,

968
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:36,879
Speaker 1: Why don't we play with these guys? Come on, give

969
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,960
Speaker 1: me a good report about him. He is a running back, yeah,

970
00:47:39,600 --> 00:47:42,880
Speaker 1: and he's a Day three guy to me. Like at

971
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,040
Speaker 1: Michigan he was the feature ball carrier. Yeah, he was

972
00:47:46,120 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 1: not the featured receiving running back. Both of his backups

973
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,279
Speaker 1: caught more passes than he did, so, like, I think

974
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: he's a solid runner that most of his work is

975
00:47:55,400 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 1: between the tackles, and he's good. He's a good, solid

976
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,879
Speaker 1: running back that doesn't really factor into the passing game,

977
00:48:03,040 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: that isn't an elite athlete. So I think it's a

978
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: Day three guy that can be a guy that is

979
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:11,399
Speaker 1: one of your two or three backs on your team

980
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: on an NFL roster. So you know Michigan big numbers,

981
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 1: good player, but I think in the NFL he's one

982
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,520
Speaker 1: of your two or three running backs in a rotation

983
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,560
Speaker 1: and he's a fifth or six round pick. He's really strong.

984
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 1: I mean, he's got the big body, big lower body.

985
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 1: He's very well built from top to bottom and even

986
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 1: put up twenty seven reps on the bench press at

987
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,200
Speaker 1: the combine, which is pretty impressive for a running back.

988
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: But he's not going to run away from anybody. He

989
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,520
Speaker 1: doesn't combine that with the speed, ye And that's kind

990
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:43,560
Speaker 1: of my biggest thing is he really had a breakout

991
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 1: year in twenty twenty the shortened season, only played like

992
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: six games, and he had six point one yards per carry,

993
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: But most of that was just running through people, like

994
00:48:51,360 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 1: you said, in between the tackles, it was, it was

995
00:48:53,280 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 1: a lot of broken tackles, and then he would just

996
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: kind of get caught and teams figured out how to

997
00:48:58,800 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: play him, and that he was kind of a one

998
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: trick pony, and that was where his production took a

999
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: significant dip in twenty twenty one. I think the best

1000
00:49:05,160 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: trade he has his vision actually, and you know there's

1001
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: times where he like when he has to make a cut,

1002
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: he can make a cut and get through that hole.

1003
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:15,240
Speaker 1: I think around the goal line he could be a weapon.

1004
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 1: He's six two, like you mentioned, he's two hundred and

1005
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 1: twenty eight pounds. He's an upright runner too, but he

1006
00:49:20,160 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 1: doesn't take many shots. I mean, he's like delivering shots,

1007
00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 1: and I'm always with these backs. I'm looking at these backs.

1008
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,440
Speaker 1: You know, Kyle, You're right, he's not going to run

1009
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Speaker 1: away from anybody. That's that's just you know, he's pretty

1010
00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: steady that way. Pass protection no, is one of those

1011
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 1: things where he's kind of just a shoulder guy. It's

1012
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,560
Speaker 1: not really square, sit down, take on a guy. So

1013
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: you always if you're going to be that third down

1014
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:43,480
Speaker 1: guy or second back, you've got to be able to

1015
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 1: have bail a pass protect a little bit. And I

1016
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,359
Speaker 1: think he's more of a just not that they can't

1017
00:49:48,440 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 1: teach him or he can't learn, but his style is

1018
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: really just trying to throw the shoulder, just lunge through

1019
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,200
Speaker 1: the shoulder and hope for the best. But he's had

1020
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: some production in some big games for Michigan over the years.

1021
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 1: But I agree with where everybody has him placed. Is there? So,

1022
00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:05,320
Speaker 1: I mean, the Cowboys are not going to draft a

1023
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: running back before day three. Is there a guy with

1024
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,839
Speaker 1: a Day three grade that you feel a lot better

1025
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 1: about than the others Because a lot of times when

1026
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 1: we do this, it's like he's a Day three running back.

1027
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:19,800
Speaker 1: So what is there? I watched? Uh is it Algier?

1028
00:50:20,080 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: There's the Lagier, the BYU running back. Yeah, I see

1029
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:26,640
Speaker 1: a Day three guy though I have him in the

1030
00:50:26,719 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 1: fourth I'm in the fourth round. Um, I'll see him

1031
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 1: going in the third. Yeah, and then Williams from Notre

1032
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 1: Dame was another one that I had as a as

1033
00:50:35,560 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 1: a fourth round guy. Colin Williams from Notre Dame. From

1034
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. Yeah, those were the couple of guys. And

1035
00:50:42,600 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 1: then I had Haskins down like in the fifth. So

1036
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:47,839
Speaker 1: those were kind of my fourth fifth round guys. Um

1037
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,680
Speaker 1: Abraham Smith from Baylor, We've talked about him a couple

1038
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,319
Speaker 1: of times. Jerome Ford from Cincinnati, kind of a receiving back,

1039
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:57,640
Speaker 1: somebody who can do a lot of different things. Sincere

1040
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,920
Speaker 1: McCormick out of UTSA. And then Kennedy Brooks, a DFW

1041
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:05,360
Speaker 1: product that would to Oklahoma Day four guys or excuse me,

1042
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: Day three guys maybe even undrafted guys that could be

1043
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,279
Speaker 1: in that conversation that I like a lot. Tell me

1044
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:17,359
Speaker 1: more about Oklahoma State linebacker Malcolm Rodriguez. It's almost one

1045
00:51:17,360 --> 00:51:20,359
Speaker 1: of those boy Scout type of players in a good way.

1046
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 1: I mean, second team All Big Twelve each of his

1047
00:51:22,760 --> 00:51:26,120
Speaker 1: last three years. He was a undersized guy, but his

1048
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:28,840
Speaker 1: instincts in his leadership on the second level of that

1049
00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State defense were pretty phenomenal. Just racks up tackles.

1050
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 1: Had one hundred and thirty tackles, sixteen and a half

1051
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: for loss this past year, three sacks as he came

1052
00:51:38,000 --> 00:51:40,640
Speaker 1: for he actually forced four fumbles. So he plays downhill

1053
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,720
Speaker 1: pretty quick, but he doesn't have a ton of side

1054
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,720
Speaker 1: or size excuse me. And then he also just doesn't

1055
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,399
Speaker 1: necessarily look extra quick. He doesn't have that first step.

1056
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: He has good instincts, but he kind of hesitates every

1057
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 1: once in a while. So he's a heartbeat of that defense. Yeah,

1058
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: he sure is. Dude is all over the place, yep.

1059
00:51:59,080 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: But like Kyle and you wonder in the NFL, like

1060
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm most confident that he's going to

1061
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: do in the NFL be on the kickoff team, a

1062
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 1: great specialty. D's gonna stream down the field and tackle

1063
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: the dude because I just you know, he may maybe

1064
00:52:12,200 --> 00:52:15,759
Speaker 1: he can translate all that college production into being an

1065
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,840
Speaker 1: NFL starter, But I do think that that's more of

1066
00:52:17,840 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: a developmental thing because I think you're looking at a

1067
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:24,719
Speaker 1: straight line hitter. But I mean, the dude finds the ball,

1068
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:26,439
Speaker 1: he's gonna get to the ball, and he's gonna tackle

1069
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 1: running backs. The question is on third down, is he

1070
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: agile enough in space to play coverage, to make plays

1071
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: in that regard. So again, I think he's a Day

1072
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 1: three player, but somebody's gonna draft him. He's gonna make

1073
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: the team. He's gonna be on special teams, and we'll

1074
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,560
Speaker 1: see if he becomes a guy that is an NFL starter.

1075
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:48,560
Speaker 1: I like the kid and have him basically the same

1076
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:52,120
Speaker 1: round of a shorter linebacker from Baylor is Banard, the

1077
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: same guy at sixes two hundred and twenty four pounds.

1078
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: They're similar players, Yeah they are. They both I mean again,

1079
00:52:57,200 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 1: but those big twelve type players, but both tacks touching

1080
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,239
Speaker 1: right there. I mean, I think the guys have got

1081
00:53:02,320 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: him absolutely right with what you're looking at. The thing

1082
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:07,879
Speaker 1: that I was interested in. I know this. If you're

1083
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: talking about the coverage. There was an interception you had

1084
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: in the Notre Dame game where he was able to

1085
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: drop redirect and then you know, the quarterback just threw

1086
00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:17,520
Speaker 1: it and he was able to make the play to

1087
00:53:17,640 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 1: kind of seal things up. There was another time where

1088
00:53:19,880 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: he knocked the ball. I think it was in the

1089
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,400
Speaker 1: TCU game where he knocked the ball out of the

1090
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:27,360
Speaker 1: running backs hands. I think the guy, you know, you

1091
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 1: say you get to the football, create turnovers. Jeff's right

1092
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: about the special team stuff. This guy is going to

1093
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 1: fly down the field. I didn't see him get blockers

1094
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: get up on him and get him washed. You know,

1095
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,759
Speaker 1: he's like kind of staying ahead of the blockers and

1096
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:44,600
Speaker 1: then staying active in order to keep himself alive. But

1097
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:49,040
Speaker 1: I like, I say him and my guy Bernard from Baylor,

1098
00:53:49,120 --> 00:53:52,400
Speaker 1: if you're looking for two undersized linebackers that aren't the

1099
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 1: Nakobe Deane, those are the kinds of guys you're looking

1100
00:53:55,320 --> 00:53:56,920
Speaker 1: at right there. He kind of reminds me of a

1101
00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: poor man's Nick Bolton from last year Frisco product to

1102
00:54:01,040 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: under six foot, a little bit wide. Moulton was a

1103
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,799
Speaker 1: little bigger and a little bit heavier, and he also

1104
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: played more fierce downhill than than Rodriguez does. But he

1105
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 1: does a lot of things well, and I agree completely

1106
00:54:12,760 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: with Jeff. He's gonna make a special teams roster. He's

1107
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 1: gonna find his snaps every once in a while. He

1108
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 1: does things the right way, which is something impressive. I've

1109
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,960
Speaker 1: seen Terrell Bernard graded as high as the fourth by

1110
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 1: some people as that. Yeah, that's why I had that. Yeah,

1111
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:28,960
Speaker 1: that's why I have both these guys. I have him

1112
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,960
Speaker 1: and Rodriguez right there. I mean you kind of you

1113
00:54:32,080 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 1: kind of have a pocket of in this draft. It

1114
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: looks like of shorter guys that played positions. She kind

1115
00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,720
Speaker 1: of keep them all together. And it reminds you that, Okay,

1116
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: if I have to go get a short corner, you know,

1117
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: Oh here's Marcus Jones. Oh I think we had a

1118
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: shorter linebacker. Oh here's Bernard. I have to go, you

1119
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 1: know that kind of get the short guy round. I

1120
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,080
Speaker 1: have a couple of short guy rounds. You can you

1121
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: can tell when you look at my board where they

1122
00:54:52,680 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 1: are though they're on these little pockets. Do you have

1123
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:57,839
Speaker 1: Calvin and one Dale Robinson in the same round? Pretty close?

1124
00:54:58,440 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: This man is He's not undersized at all. He stood

1125
00:55:02,360 --> 00:55:04,719
Speaker 1: out to me at the Senior Bowl, and I would

1126
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:08,719
Speaker 1: like to know more about UCLA defensive tackle Otito Obonia.

1127
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:10,680
Speaker 1: He did like him at the Senior Bowl. He made

1128
00:55:10,719 --> 00:55:13,240
Speaker 1: some plays and like and for the size he plays

1129
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,359
Speaker 1: at I just remember guys had a tough time dealing

1130
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: with him. You know. I think you're absolutely right about

1131
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: this guy. And I watched him against our alma mater, Dave,

1132
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: and we really didn't do a good job of blocking

1133
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 1: him now, and we watched him against Utah as well.

1134
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: As another thing, I was surprised how much he weighed

1135
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 1: because he moves like a much lighter man three hundred

1136
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 1: and twenty four pounds. He's pretty disruptive, and I mean

1137
00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 1: in a disruptive like the first step and he's on you,

1138
00:55:36,719 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 1: and these blockers are like and again, hey, our center

1139
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:42,439
Speaker 1: at LSU wasn't great, but he mean, he's like it's

1140
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 1: like they're not even getting in position on him. He's

1141
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 1: kind of knocking guys around and getting up the field

1142
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:50,319
Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I saw him one time get

1143
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:53,040
Speaker 1: outside in the Utah game where he was able to

1144
00:55:53,120 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: clean up a play getting to the sideline. So he

1145
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:57,839
Speaker 1: gives you that little bit of effort to go make

1146
00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,400
Speaker 1: that play. But I think at three one hundred and

1147
00:56:00,480 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 1: twenty four pounds, this guy, I'm surprised how he looked.

1148
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 1: He doesn't look that big, but man, he is disruptive

1149
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: in all and I was I was impressed with the

1150
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:11,000
Speaker 1: way he was able to come to the fight that

1151
00:56:11,080 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 1: he had. This is not a knock on Chris Bamark,

1152
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:16,080
Speaker 1: producer there that forty yard dash has to be a

1153
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: typho though. Right, there's no way this man five three,

1154
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,480
Speaker 1: there's no way this man's okay. Just making sure, no, no,

1155
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 1: you're fine. We appreciate that would have gotten a lot

1156
00:56:24,840 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 1: of people. I'm gonna say, if a couple of rounds,

1157
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 1: just make it sure. No, that's not a problem. He

1158
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,800
Speaker 1: is quick though. I like his initial the initial burst

1159
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:37,320
Speaker 1: I think is really good. I like the powerful just

1160
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,240
Speaker 1: the force that he comes off the line of scrimmage.

1161
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:42,400
Speaker 1: He doesn't necessarily take the he doesn't get washed out

1162
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:44,759
Speaker 1: of place, doesn't get caught off guard. He's a good

1163
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:46,440
Speaker 1: run defender. You can see it in some of the

1164
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 1: plays that we're showing on the video side of things.

1165
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: I know, if you're listening you can't see it, but yeah,

1166
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: he's a good run defender. He can provide a little

1167
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 1: bit of pass rush, but that's not necessarily his mo.

1168
00:56:56,520 --> 00:56:58,320
Speaker 1: He's gonna plug a hole and he's gonna move the

1169
00:56:58,400 --> 00:57:00,279
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, take up multiple gap and do a

1170
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:03,120
Speaker 1: good job of doing so. I wrote that he the

1171
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 1: pros are he's six four three twenty four, he's long armed,

1172
00:57:06,280 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 1: he's got pop in his hands, and he plays hard. Yeah. Yeah,

1173
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,280
Speaker 1: the cons or that I saw him as being slow footed,

1174
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: playing high and not anchoring real well. So I think

1175
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:20,520
Speaker 1: that he's a Day three defensive nose tackle, fifth, sixth round. Yeah,

1176
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:23,640
Speaker 1: and you hope that you can develop like, hey, we're

1177
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 1: gonna keep the pads down, yep, We'll get some lead

1178
00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: in the butt here. We're not gonna be moved. And

1179
00:57:28,520 --> 00:57:29,960
Speaker 1: let's see if we can get the feet to match up.

1180
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,800
Speaker 1: Because he does have pop. Yeah, like he can. He

1181
00:57:32,920 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: can get hands on you and jolt and move, but

1182
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: I don't think that the feet or the lower body

1183
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:43,360
Speaker 1: consistency matches up to that violence. And the Cowboys like

1184
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 1: drafting guys out of UCLA with double os as their initials.

1185
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: We'll think about this as far as these one techniques

1186
00:57:50,040 --> 00:57:53,320
Speaker 1: like Ridgeway, like having the third Ferrell from Millishoe in

1187
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,439
Speaker 1: the fourth and then this young man in the fifth.

1188
00:57:55,520 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 1: So I mean, there's there's there's gonna be these guys

1189
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: that each round, there's gonna be have one of these

1190
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,640
Speaker 1: three hundred and twenty four pound guys that played for you. Kyle.

1191
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:05,560
Speaker 1: You brought this guy up a week or two ago,

1192
00:58:05,680 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 1: and I was curious, So tell me more about Maryland

1193
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: tight end chick. Goozem O Quanquo, yes Okon from Maryland.

1194
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:15,480
Speaker 1: I was going to get a good frame for a

1195
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:19,600
Speaker 1: tight end, reliable hands. Been some couple late droppers in

1196
00:58:19,680 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: the tight end class this year, but he's actually one

1197
00:58:21,680 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 1: that's kind of climbing because of his traits, and he

1198
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:28,480
Speaker 1: had an impressive combine four five forty yard dash thirty

1199
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 1: five and a half inch vertical. Those were not numbers

1200
00:58:32,360 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 1: that were necessarily anticipated. But the best part of his

1201
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: game is his speed and then his yards after the catchability.

1202
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:43,120
Speaker 1: He's not a versatile blocker, not necessarily an all around,

1203
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 1: all encompassing tight end, which is why he will go

1204
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 1: Day three most likely because some of those Day two

1205
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:51,400
Speaker 1: guys can do a little bit of everything. But as

1206
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:54,280
Speaker 1: a pass catcher, I think he's as good as some

1207
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:56,600
Speaker 1: of the guys in the class. He's a decent in

1208
00:58:56,720 --> 00:59:00,640
Speaker 1: line blocker who can maybe develop more in regard. But

1209
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:04,000
Speaker 1: I like his hands. I like his his ability to

1210
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,200
Speaker 1: be used on the sideline, then in the red zone,

1211
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:11,479
Speaker 1: especially in coverage and in some traffic. My damn notes,

1212
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:14,480
Speaker 1: go actually just wanted to know because everything Kyle was

1213
00:59:14,560 --> 00:59:16,800
Speaker 1: saying like he nailed him because he's four. He's a

1214
00:59:16,800 --> 00:59:20,800
Speaker 1: four or five athlete. He was a He was two

1215
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,000
Speaker 1: hundred and thirty eight pounds I believe at Pro Day

1216
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: that's right. So like he's not big, Nope, he's not

1217
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: like a nuance droute runner, like it's all one kind

1218
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 1: of speed. I think he's a blow average route runner.

1219
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,160
Speaker 1: He's not used over the middle of the field, at

1220
00:59:37,240 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: least Maryland didn't use him there. So again, I think

1221
00:59:39,600 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 1: we are talking about, to me a Day three guy

1222
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,280
Speaker 1: where you're like, okay, if you're going to be able

1223
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:47,400
Speaker 1: to be a real life guy, who's ever going to

1224
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:51,120
Speaker 1: play in line. It's weird because he has a muscular frame,

1225
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:56,240
Speaker 1: but between the maybe the arm length and the weight

1226
00:59:56,880 --> 00:59:59,520
Speaker 1: is not enough. Like you watch Ojabo and Hutchinson and

1227
00:59:59,520 --> 01:00:01,360
Speaker 1: they're like, out of our way, you ain't blocking. You know,

1228
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 1: it's funny, but you get the ball in his hands

1229
01:00:03,680 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: and life gets fun. He did something to Dalton Schultz

1230
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 1: can't do. I was watching the Penn State game and

1231
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:11,800
Speaker 1: they and they ran. He was playing backside in line

1232
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:14,400
Speaker 1: and he made a cutoff block from the going inside.

1233
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,520
Speaker 1: I mean like they they were they were running the

1234
01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:18,520
Speaker 1: bottle left. He was tied into the right and he

1235
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:20,440
Speaker 1: cut his guy off and got his head all the

1236
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:23,360
Speaker 1: way across and turned the guy back inside. In the

1237
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:26,040
Speaker 1: Penn State game, I think you guys have got him

1238
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:28,240
Speaker 1: absolutely name. You can watch him in the Michigan State game.

1239
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 1: They throw him a screen to him and like he

1240
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,440
Speaker 1: catches it and he's up the field and the defender

1241
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:37,080
Speaker 1: tries to cut him off. He jumps, the defender goes though,

1242
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: he jumps to defender, lands one foot, keeps balance on

1243
01:00:40,560 --> 01:00:43,080
Speaker 1: the sidelines, and then goes into the end zone. So

1244
01:00:43,240 --> 01:00:46,240
Speaker 1: the guy has some athletic ability. I think there's some,

1245
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:49,120
Speaker 1: you know. I was. I was surprised of how many

1246
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: times they threw him the ball and he was kind

1247
01:00:50,920 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 1: of covered and I'm like, oh, he didn't catch that.

1248
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 1: Oh wait he did? You know that kind of thing.

1249
01:00:55,360 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 1: So I think the hands are good. And again I

1250
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: saw something to see Dalton schultzte and that's cut off

1251
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,760
Speaker 1: the backside, backside defender. I watched the Ohio State, Michigan

1252
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 1: and Michigan State games. I'm gonna add Penn State because

1253
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:09,680
Speaker 1: I just want to see him do that because he

1254
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,280
Speaker 1: had he had huge He had huge numbers against Penn State,

1255
01:01:12,400 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 1: Michigan State. Those are the games you really need to

1256
01:01:14,400 --> 01:01:17,640
Speaker 1: watch round five. I'm gonna say fifth, fifth ish round? Yeah,

1257
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:21,880
Speaker 1: real quickly. Last one, Percy Butler, the safety out of

1258
01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: Louisiana Lafayette. Tell me more fun developmental safety to me,

1259
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,960
Speaker 1: um six foot one ninety four four three six big

1260
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:33,240
Speaker 1: broad jump. So you're talking about an explosive athletic guy

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Speaker 1: man coverage stuff. I know there's something that Brian will

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01:01:37,080 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 1: like there because when he lines up over the slot

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Speaker 1: and they run drag routes away from him, Yeah, you

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01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:43,240
Speaker 1: ain't running away from You're not running from him. I

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Speaker 1: think you're gonna have to develop in terms of consistency

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Speaker 1: as a tackler. That's That's the number one thing right there.

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Speaker 1: How he plays deep when he's a deep safety, but

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Speaker 1: he wants to run the alley, he wants to pop

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01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:58,000
Speaker 1: he can run and again, let me check the exact

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Speaker 1: round I put him in. But I'm pretty sure he's

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Speaker 1: gonna online with the rest of this group we've been watching. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: fifth or sixth round? Yeah, yeah, I totally agree. I

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Speaker 1: got him in the fifth myself, and I think Jeff

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Speaker 1: I don't always see him play this fast. I think

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Speaker 1: the time speed is excellent. Of course, it's rare for

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Speaker 1: what he has. I thought there would be a little

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Speaker 1: bit more range to him. And there was time in

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Speaker 1: the app State game where they drove. He drove on

1279
01:02:19,160 --> 01:02:21,720
Speaker 1: the ball and from Jeff was right about that. Um

1280
01:02:21,800 --> 01:02:23,920
Speaker 1: they used him as a blitzer. But he got home.

1281
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 1: He had a free run and he missed the guy.

1282
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Speaker 1: I think the biggest questions about him is going to

1283
01:02:27,960 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: beat the tacklings. He wants to hit you hard. He was,

1284
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:34,040
Speaker 1: but he but he misses the just reckless. You know,

1285
01:02:34,120 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: he's got a clean shot on the quarterback and he

1286
01:02:35,880 --> 01:02:38,680
Speaker 1: just overruns the guy. And so I mean it's almost

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01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:42,120
Speaker 1: a kind of a dragged down tackler. But I think

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Speaker 1: that to me, and I didn't see him create any turnover.

1289
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:48,320
Speaker 1: Sometimes these safeties you see them, they're in the right spot. Mean,

1290
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Speaker 1: we were talking about our kid from Iowa the other day.

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Speaker 1: You know Belton that you know the ball's there and

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Speaker 1: he's boom, he'sain this kid. I didn't see any of

1293
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Speaker 1: the type of stuff. So again I had Belton above

1294
01:02:58,320 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 1: him on my board right now. Yeah, I've got him

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Speaker 1: in the lower half of that safety class. Belton. I

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01:03:04,800 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 1: really enjoyed watching Percy Butler. I'm with Jeff in the

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01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,120
Speaker 1: regard of when I was watching him, you see some

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01:03:11,320 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 1: of the ability to be a center field guy in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. But like you said, the tackling ability is there,

1300
01:03:18,080 --> 01:03:20,200
Speaker 1: but it's not necessarily something that jumps off the page.

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01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:23,280
Speaker 1: You expect him to be better than he was. He

1302
01:03:23,400 --> 01:03:25,480
Speaker 1: racked up the tackles in twenty twenty one, which is

1303
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:27,880
Speaker 1: impressive because he had the volume there. They went his

1304
01:03:28,000 --> 01:03:30,200
Speaker 1: direction quite a bit. But as a guy who moved

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01:03:30,240 --> 01:03:32,800
Speaker 1: to safety and has has played well at the collegiate

1306
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 1: level after being a wide receiver, I still look at

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01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:39,640
Speaker 1: him as a late day or excuse me, fifth round,

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01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 1: sixth round guy that could be a developmental guy because

1309
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Speaker 1: of the speed and the traits that he brings to

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Speaker 1: the table too. That'll wrap up another segment of tell

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Speaker 1: Me More. That'll wrap up another week of draft coverage.

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Speaker 1: Guys next week, two more shows until it's Draft week.

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Speaker 1: Oh so, ten more guys you're gonna tell me to watch? Yes,

1314
01:03:56,240 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 1: sorry that I want you to have a longer list

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01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 1: of guys for Draft week. I've already seen eventeen thousand guys. Wow,

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Speaker 1: We'll be back with ten more guys as well as

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01:04:04,800 --> 01:04:08,400
Speaker 1: plenty more stuff to talk about Jeff will never ever

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Speaker 1: let me close the show cleanly. That's fine. This has

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Speaker 1: been the draft show for Jeff, Bryan, Kyle, I'm Dave.

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Speaker 1: We'll catch all next time. This has been a production

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Speaker 1: of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.