WEBVTT - Ep 08: When Harry Met Sarah

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<v Speaker 1>From iHeart Podcasts. This is Supreme The Battle.

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<v Speaker 2>For Row.

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<v Speaker 3>Roll against Wayne.

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<v Speaker 1>Starring Maya Hawk and William H. Mason.

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<v Speaker 4>Whenever We are ready, Mister Chief Justice and Maya played.

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<v Speaker 1>The Court episode eight when Harry met Sarah?

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<v Speaker 2>What time is it?

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<v Speaker 5>Almost midnight?

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<v Speaker 6>Charlie?

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<v Speaker 5>Should we stay?

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<v Speaker 2>And we stayed till the Boss goes home?

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<v Speaker 5>This will be the fourth all night of this week.

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<v Speaker 5>I need to sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, you go home? Then, seriously you should sleep.

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<v Speaker 5>What research is he on now? He had me find

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<v Speaker 5>translations of ancient Greek texts on medical ethics yesterday.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it's bad.

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<v Speaker 5>Is he any closer to deciding which way he's voting?

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<v Speaker 4>At least?

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<v Speaker 2>Don't so? The spotlight's paralyzing him.

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<v Speaker 5>Blackman shouldn't even be writing this opinion?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, kidding. You don't think he knows that with.

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<v Speaker 5>The screwed up way that Chief assigned it, half the

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<v Speaker 5>country is going to lose their minds whichever way he

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<v Speaker 5>comes down.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh, you know the only thing that'll piss the country

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<v Speaker 7>off more? What if there's no decision at all.

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<v Speaker 8>Dottie, I'm trying to get some sleep.

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<v Speaker 6>I can see that. Ary, then let me be that

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<v Speaker 6>I can't do my love.

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<v Speaker 8>Why do you insist on torturing.

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<v Speaker 5>Me, Harry.

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<v Speaker 9>We've been married for thirty years and I've never seen

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<v Speaker 9>you sleep past eight am.

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<v Speaker 8>And it's eleven morning or night.

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<v Speaker 9>Harry, I'm joking, Dottie, Honey, I'm worried.

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<v Speaker 10>The girls are too, don't involve them. But there's nothing

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<v Speaker 10>to worry about.

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<v Speaker 11>Dear Harry.

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<v Speaker 9>What's left of your hair has gone totally. The bags

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<v Speaker 9>under your eyes look too big for carry on. You're

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<v Speaker 9>up in the middle of the night every night, when

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<v Speaker 9>you're even home, pacing like a vampire. And that for

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<v Speaker 9>the melodrama, Dottie, Oh yeah, and you're lashing out at

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<v Speaker 9>your loved ones.

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<v Speaker 10>Come come here, sit down please. I'm just trying to

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<v Speaker 10>find some balanced sweetheart. I'm sorry, balance for what? How

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<v Speaker 10>in the hell did I find myself in the position

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<v Speaker 10>of being responsible for the rights of every woman's body

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<v Speaker 10>for the foreseeable future.

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<v Speaker 8>How on earth did that happen?

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<v Speaker 6>Don't give me that, Harry.

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<v Speaker 8>Don't give you what the woe is me.

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<v Speaker 9>I'm just a poor boy from Dayton's Bluff and I

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<v Speaker 9>tripped and fell into being one of the most powerful

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<v Speaker 9>men in the nation. It won't work on me. You're

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<v Speaker 9>more ambitious than you like to admit, Harry Blackman, Dottie.

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<v Speaker 10>If I'd grown up anywhere else and my childhood best

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<v Speaker 10>friend hadn't become Chief Justice, do you think there's any chance.

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<v Speaker 8>In the world le be where I am now?

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<v Speaker 6>Yes?

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<v Speaker 8>Really, yes, Harry.

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<v Speaker 9>My best friend from childhood has been divorced three times

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<v Speaker 9>and owns a horse ranch in Los Angeles. We all

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<v Speaker 9>don't just naturally become our best friends. You're on the

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<v Speaker 9>Supreme Court because it's where you belong, not because of

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<v Speaker 9>who gave the toast at our wedding.

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<v Speaker 8>What do I do? Dot?

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<v Speaker 6>You start by making a decision here?

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<v Speaker 8>No, No. Once I do that, the real trouble begins.

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<v Speaker 10>The language and guidelines are maddening to work out. If

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<v Speaker 10>we strike down the law, do we make it legal

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<v Speaker 10>in just the first month? First two months the date

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<v Speaker 10>of viability?

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<v Speaker 8>Somehow? The choice is entirely up to me.

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<v Speaker 9>Would you rather someone else be deciding?

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<v Speaker 6>Be honest?

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<v Speaker 9>Who else would you trust to put in as much

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<v Speaker 9>time and research and real deliberation into this as you?

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<v Speaker 10>Their good told me a story horror story in baker

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<v Speaker 10>Vy car Are a few years ago. The opinion was

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<v Speaker 10>assigned to Charles Whittaker. Justice Whittaker found making a decision

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<v Speaker 10>in the case so tormenting that he had a nervous breakdown.

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<v Speaker 10>They had to hospitalize him in a mental asylum. He

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<v Speaker 10>couldn't even attend the final vote. He resigned from the

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<v Speaker 10>court right after the decision. The case literally drove him

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<v Speaker 10>to the madhouse, Dottie, And that was a case about redistricting.

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<v Speaker 9>Harry, you would love a stay in a mental asylum,

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<v Speaker 9>getting to sit in rocking chairs and read your books

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<v Speaker 9>all day.

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<v Speaker 6>That'd be a vacation for you.

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<v Speaker 8>It does sound pleasant, doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 9>Forget it. I'm not Justice Whittaker's wife. I'm Justice Blackman's

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<v Speaker 9>Now get up and get dressed. Stop feeling sorry for yourself,

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<v Speaker 9>and I'll warm up your breakfast. And remember, Warren could

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<v Speaker 9>have assigned this decision to anyone. He chose you. You're the

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<v Speaker 9>one he knows can win people to your side.

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<v Speaker 12>I wonder if that's the real reason, Harry. They're good

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<v Speaker 12>like the tennis shoes.

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<v Speaker 10>Oh yes, I thought I'd go for a walk clear

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<v Speaker 10>my mind. One of my clerks suggested I keep a

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<v Speaker 10>pair in my chambers closet.

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<v Speaker 13>Where's the draft, Harry?

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<v Speaker 10>It's coming their good, it's still in process, and what

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<v Speaker 10>exactly does that mean?

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<v Speaker 8>You'll have it soon now?

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<v Speaker 10>If I want to get to the Lincoln Memorial and

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<v Speaker 10>back before conference, I need to.

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<v Speaker 13>I've only been on the bench a handful of years, Harry,

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<v Speaker 13>but I've argued thirty two cases here as a lawyer.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm well aware.

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<v Speaker 13>Good, then maybe you'll give credence to what I'm telling you.

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<v Speaker 13>This isn't like handing in your homework late in school, Harry.

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<v Speaker 13>I know that because women are dying while you're dragging

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<v Speaker 13>your feet.

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<v Speaker 11>You understand me.

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<v Speaker 8>You're out of line, the good.

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<v Speaker 13>Working inside the lines. It's never been my strong suit,

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<v Speaker 13>and you need a kick in the ass.

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<v Speaker 8>I'll have a draft soon.

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<v Speaker 13>You never should have been assigned the decision in the

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<v Speaker 13>first place, Harry. That's not a knock on you. It's

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<v Speaker 13>just a fact. Don't exacerbate it.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought we'd have the soup you like tonight. Ron,

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<v Speaker 4>the store finally got those croutons, all right? How's the

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<v Speaker 4>table coming together?

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<v Speaker 2>All right?

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<v Speaker 4>Stimulating as always?

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<v Speaker 8>Ron, who's that well?

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<v Speaker 4>Don't sound so startled, Probably just want to wanting to

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<v Speaker 4>borrow a vase.

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<v Speaker 2>Just be careful, Sarah.

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<v Speaker 14>It could be one of those crazies.

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<v Speaker 11>Hi is Sarah?

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<v Speaker 4>Get over here. Ron, it's definitely one of the crazies.

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<v Speaker 4>What sorry, inside joke, George, what are you doing here?

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<v Speaker 4>Get in this house? Look who's here?

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<v Speaker 1>Rong?

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<v Speaker 4>You didn't tell me George was coming by.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know.

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<v Speaker 11>Hey George, great to see you doing a little construction. Ron.

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<v Speaker 15>Oh, just making a table. Wait to occupy myself. I

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<v Speaker 15>hope I'm not disturbing. I called, but couldn't get through.

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<v Speaker 4>That's my fault. I was on with Mama for an

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<v Speaker 4>hour this morning. I don't think I've seen you since

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<v Speaker 4>Ron's campaign a couple of years ago.

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<v Speaker 15>George, literally not since the concession speech. I still blame

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<v Speaker 15>myself for that one.

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<v Speaker 13>Ron.

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<v Speaker 15>You should be state reping able right now. Lord knows

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<v Speaker 15>you'd be heading shoulders better than the boy that got

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<v Speaker 15>in there.

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<v Speaker 4>You can say that again. But it's not your fault, George.

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<v Speaker 4>You did a hell of a job as a campaign manager.

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<v Speaker 15>I've been following your career pretty closely, Sarah. Congratulations on

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<v Speaker 15>your case.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh stop, I haven't won anything yet.

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<v Speaker 11>That's not true. You won in Dallas. Say when is

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<v Speaker 11>the Supreme Court announcing his.

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<v Speaker 4>Decision, supposed to be a month ago. At this point,

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<v Speaker 4>your guess is as good as mine. I call over

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<v Speaker 4>there all the time, but they won't tell me what

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<v Speaker 4>the hold up is. No one seems to know.

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<v Speaker 14>Hey, Sarah Hunt, you want to fix George and me

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<v Speaker 14>some snacks and coffee? We can sit in the living room.

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<v Speaker 11>George, Oh no, that's not necessary.

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<v Speaker 16>Run.

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<v Speaker 4>Don't be silly happy to what can I make you sandwiches?

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<v Speaker 11>Sarah? Really, you don't need to bring anything? Which just

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<v Speaker 11>sound great?

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<v Speaker 14>Hun, So what do you think, George want me to

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<v Speaker 14>take another run in the election? I got a lot

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<v Speaker 14>of ideas about what I do different this guy?

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<v Speaker 11>Actually, Ron, I was hoping I.

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<v Speaker 14>Could which race we even talking about. I appreciate your confidence,

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<v Speaker 14>but I don't think I have a prayer to be Maxwell.

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<v Speaker 14>Nobody does.

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<v Speaker 11>We actually have our eyes on the State House? Ron?

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<v Speaker 8>Really here in Dallas, isn't that wonderful? Well that's quite

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<v Speaker 8>a You think I have the profile for that?

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<v Speaker 11>Well, I'm actually here to talk to Sarah.

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<v Speaker 2>About it me. Oh okay, how about it, Sarah?

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<v Speaker 4>You want me to run for the state House? Ron

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<v Speaker 4>is the one you should be talking to.

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<v Speaker 15>You've garnered some serious attention from your case, Sarah, the

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<v Speaker 15>youngest woman ever arguing in the Supreme.

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<v Speaker 4>Court, youngest person.

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<v Speaker 15>Actually, I think you have a real shot and I

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<v Speaker 15>like to run campaign. Well, i'll be I'll take some

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<v Speaker 15>of that coffee, Sarah. Let's go out back on the

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<v Speaker 15>porch chat about it.

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<v Speaker 11>You don't mind, do you run?

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<v Speaker 2>No? No, I guess all right.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's talk. Oh, Ron, do you mind stopping that kettle

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<v Speaker 4>from whistling? Thanks?

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<v Speaker 2>Dear, sure thing, Sarah, sure thing.

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<v Speaker 8>What have you got for us there, Charlie.

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<v Speaker 2>It's Justice Blackman's first draft.

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<v Speaker 8>Sir, first draft of What Warre in Peace? It's five

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<v Speaker 8>hundred pages.

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<v Speaker 2>He knows it's on alongside your runner. This has gotta

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<v Speaker 2>be a joke.

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<v Speaker 17>No, I don't believe it is. Bill Blackman is paralyzed

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<v Speaker 17>forty pages of discourse on the history of abortion, a

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<v Speaker 17>five hundred page decision, and I can't find the decision.

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<v Speaker 8>And I believe that may be the point. Charlie, come

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<v Speaker 8>on in here, you drop the copies off.

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<v Speaker 2>Just it, sir, all the justices now have it?

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<v Speaker 8>Excellent? Excellent? Any initial responses? Come on, let's have it.

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<v Speaker 7>Justice Blackman candidly, I don't think we're going to get

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<v Speaker 7>the responses that you're hoping for.

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<v Speaker 8>And what exactly is their problem?

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<v Speaker 7>The other justices expect a decision on the constitutionality of abortion, Sir,

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<v Speaker 7>the crux of Missus Whittington's argument, Well.

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<v Speaker 8>They'll get it.

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<v Speaker 10>This draft is merely a jumping off point to begin

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<v Speaker 10>more discussion.

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<v Speaker 2>Sir. I think that might have been acceptable to them

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<v Speaker 2>a month or two ago.

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<v Speaker 10>But at this point, what exactly are my colleagues saying, Sir?

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<v Speaker 2>I no longer think this is a legal issue.

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<v Speaker 8>What on earth does that mean?

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<v Speaker 2>It's a political one. It's about us winning votes.

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<v Speaker 8>You sound like a certain Chief Justice, Sir.

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<v Speaker 7>Justice Marshall is threatening to go public with what he

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<v Speaker 7>sees as an unfair process.

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<v Speaker 8>What on earth are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 7>Justice Douglas, is deemed that the Chief assigned the decision

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<v Speaker 7>to you, Marshall, Greece.

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<v Speaker 8>An internal disagreement and the Supreme.

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<v Speaker 7>Court has never been aired publicly before. No, sir, it's

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<v Speaker 7>a bluff maybe, But word around here is that Marshall

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<v Speaker 7>instructed his clerks to leak a memo to the Post

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<v Speaker 7>if your decision isn't brought about soon, damn it. If

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<v Speaker 7>I may, your honor, we need to take a stand.

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<v Speaker 7>Whichever way you're going to come down on the issue.

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<v Speaker 7>The important thing.

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<v Speaker 8>Is to act, Charlie.

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<v Speaker 10>Do you know what the first line of the decision

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<v Speaker 10>will be, Sir, the decision it will begin, Blackman. H

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<v Speaker 10>Delivering the opinion time is not the most important factor, Charlie.

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<v Speaker 10>Getting it right is to the country at large. I

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<v Speaker 10>will appear responsible.

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<v Speaker 2>Your honor.

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<v Speaker 7>You look a little green, sir, Oh, just as Marshall. Hello,

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<v Speaker 7>Justice Blackman is occupied at the moment, your.

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<v Speaker 18>Honor, Yes, I can hear that, Charlie. Leave me with him, Yes,

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<v Speaker 18>your honor, Harry, it's third. Good, come on out here.

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<v Speaker 10>You all right, Harry, not particularly no, I gather you

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<v Speaker 10>don't think much of my draft.

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<v Speaker 13>You know why, because I told you to write a decision, Harry,

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<v Speaker 13>and what you wrote is a question. When I first

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<v Speaker 13>came to court, Justice black gave me a little advice.

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<v Speaker 13>He told me to never display agony in public. Always

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<v Speaker 13>present as if the answer is obvious and clear. The

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<v Speaker 13>public should know that decisions which affect their lives could

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<v Speaker 13>often just as easily come down the other way. It's

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<v Speaker 13>not as if I don't understand your predicament, Harry.

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<v Speaker 8>No offense.

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<v Speaker 10>They're good, but unless you're sitting where I am, let

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<v Speaker 10>me take a shot.

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<v Speaker 13>Nixon specifically chose you for the seat because you were

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<v Speaker 13>supposed to be uncontroversial after his first two nominees were rejected.

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<v Speaker 13>And now your pal the Chief has ensured that whichever

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<v Speaker 13>way we come down on this issue, you're going to

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<v Speaker 13>be one of the most controversial men in the country,

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<v Speaker 13>maybe in the country's whole history.

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<v Speaker 8>That about it and about sums it up.

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<v Speaker 13>You know, here's the thing, Harry, half asking the decision

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<v Speaker 13>is not the way out.

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<v Speaker 8>Half asking.

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<v Speaker 10>This must be one of the most well researched, well

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<v Speaker 10>thought out drafts written here since Wendell Holmesy.

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<v Speaker 13>No one's accusing you of not doing your homework, Harry.

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<v Speaker 13>We know you're brilliant, we know you're working hard, but

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<v Speaker 13>your draft doesn't address the core issues.

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<v Speaker 8>All due respect, they're good.

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<v Speaker 10>The hell it doesn't all the social and religious approach,

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<v Speaker 10>every one of them.

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<v Speaker 13>And the medical and legal approaches going back to ancient times.

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<v Speaker 13>We don't need a history lesson, Harry, We need a conclusion.

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<v Speaker 13>Your draft doesn't take a stand, but how could it

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<v Speaker 13>when all due respect. You're a tough, comfy away in

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<v Speaker 13>the chief's pocket.

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<v Speaker 8>Are you trying to get a rise out of me?

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<v Speaker 2>Hell?

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<v Speaker 13>Yes, I'm trying to get you to stand for something.

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<v Speaker 11>Man, Now go to it.

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<v Speaker 8>What are you doing out here?

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<v Speaker 2>It's four in the morning.

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<v Speaker 4>There rerun in the late show Mary's on. Remember that

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<v Speaker 4>one Ernest borgnine, Betsy Blair.

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<v Speaker 14>You become a worse and sony act than me.

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<v Speaker 4>Have some t careful it's hot, he slept it all.

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<v Speaker 4>How the hell can I sleep wrong? No one will

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<v Speaker 4>tell me anything. The decision was supposed to come down

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<v Speaker 4>months ago. It keeps getting delayed and delayed, and I

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<v Speaker 4>have no idea why.

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<v Speaker 2>It means you gave them a lot to chew on run.

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<v Speaker 4>When I asked you how I did, never mind?

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<v Speaker 14>No what.

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<v Speaker 4>When I asked you afterwards how I did in court?

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<v Speaker 4>You said you would have given me a B plus.

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<v Speaker 8>And I would have.

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<v Speaker 14>A B plus is an excellent mark in law school.

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<v Speaker 11>You know that?

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, Okay, I just I feel like I can't move

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<v Speaker 4>on with my life until we have a decision. I

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<v Speaker 4>gotta see it settled.

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<v Speaker 8>You give any more thought to running the campaign?

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know. I don't think I'm cut out for politics. Run.

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<v Speaker 14>It's not my nature, of course, it is. Everybody loves you, Sarah. Besides,

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<v Speaker 14>you're a famous attorney. Now take advantage.

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<v Speaker 4>Would you like a wife who's a state rev.

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<v Speaker 14>Honestly, probably easier for me than you being a lawyer.

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<v Speaker 14>Every firm I interview with just wants to hear about you,

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<v Speaker 14>like they.

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<v Speaker 11>Don't even know how big a role I played in Row.

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<v Speaker 4>I really am sorry about that.

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<v Speaker 3>Run.

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<v Speaker 4>I know you probably don't believe me, but.

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<v Speaker 2>I am oh sorry for what all of it for.

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<v Speaker 4>You not getting the credit you deserve, For the time

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<v Speaker 4>and energy I had to put into taking care of

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<v Speaker 4>the case instead of taking care of you, the money

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<v Speaker 4>problems it caused us, the death threats, losing our friends.

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<v Speaker 4>You are a truly good man for putting up with

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<v Speaker 4>it all.

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<v Speaker 2>Wrong, Sarah.

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<v Speaker 14>I got a call last week from Sissy Farenthold.

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<v Speaker 4>Cissy what she wants.

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<v Speaker 14>She wants me to come work on her campaign. She

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<v Speaker 14>has a real shot at the governor's chap after the

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<v Speaker 14>scandal in Sharpstown.

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<v Speaker 4>You're right, she does.

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<v Speaker 8>It's a paid position.

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<v Speaker 4>Sarah, sounds too good to pass up.

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<v Speaker 14>We agreed to stay married as long as we were

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<v Speaker 14>both happy, Sarah.

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<v Speaker 4>That's true.

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<v Speaker 19>We did come to bed soon, okay, Harry, Yeah, I'm awake.

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<v Speaker 6>You slept through dinner again.

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<v Speaker 8>I know I'm drowning, Doddie.

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<v Speaker 9>I know it feels that way. I promise you you're not.

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<v Speaker 9>There's someone here to see you.

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<v Speaker 4>Are you feeling all right, Daddy?

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<v Speaker 8>Sally? What are you doing here?

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<v Speaker 6>She came to talk to you, Harry. I'll leave you to.

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<v Speaker 16>Her.

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<v Speaker 20>Guy who's been in bed as much as you lately.

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<v Speaker 20>You don't look very well rested, Daddy.

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<v Speaker 8>Forget about me? How you doing? How's school?

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<v Speaker 5>Professor Lowe talked about you in class last week?

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<v Speaker 8>Do I even want to know?

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<v Speaker 5>It wasn't mean.

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<v Speaker 20>He was curious why the decision on Roe Wade hasn't

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<v Speaker 20>come down yet.

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<v Speaker 8>That seems to be the question.

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<v Speaker 4>We never talked about it, you know about what?

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<v Speaker 10>Of course we did. We did nothing but talk for

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<v Speaker 10>quite some time. What you would have broken the law?

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<v Speaker 8>Sally?

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<v Speaker 20>Doctor was trustworthy, not some butcher. You could have arranged

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<v Speaker 20>that with your contacts, couldn't you?

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<v Speaker 8>Sally?

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<v Speaker 20>I was nineteen, Daddy, I was a sophomore. It was

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<v Speaker 20>terrifying that I got pregnant. You think I wanted to

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<v Speaker 20>drop out of school and marry Rick.

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<v Speaker 8>But you're back in school now. It all turned out

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<v Speaker 8>alright in the end.

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<v Speaker 20>Only because I had a miscarriage three weeks after the wedding.

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<v Speaker 20>If I hadn't, Rick and I probably would still be

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<v Speaker 20>married and miserable. I wanted an abortion, of course.

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<v Speaker 8>I didn't, Sally.

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<v Speaker 20>Am I supposed to pretend to otherwise?

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<v Speaker 8>Why didn't you say anything?

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<v Speaker 20>Why didn't I tell my father, the federal judge at

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<v Speaker 20>the time, that I wanted an abortion?

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<v Speaker 8>Fair point.

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<v Speaker 20>I came to you and Mom, I told you we

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<v Speaker 20>were in trouble. When you didn't come back to me

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<v Speaker 20>with the name of a doctor, I thought. I thought

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<v Speaker 20>that was your way of saying it wasn't an option.

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<v Speaker 8>The effect of inaction?

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<v Speaker 10>What nothing? Just something. I seem to be accused of

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<v Speaker 10>a lot lately. You'll have another husband, Sally, and children.

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<v Speaker 4>Stop just stop.

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<v Speaker 8>I don't know what to say. I'm sorry, Sally.

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<v Speaker 4>I believe you, and I believe in you.

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<v Speaker 20>You need to get some rest.

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<v Speaker 4>Mom's really worried about you.

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<v Speaker 20>I guess I just wanted to tell you that you're

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<v Speaker 20>going to do great.

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<v Speaker 8>And what if I can't decide? What if I'm paralyzed.

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<v Speaker 20>When I was procrastinating on some school assignment once you

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<v Speaker 20>told me that writer's block was a failure of ego.

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<v Speaker 20>It's not that we can't write, it's that we don't

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<v Speaker 20>think what we have to say will be particularly interesting

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<v Speaker 20>to anyone. You have a mother, three daughters, and an

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<v Speaker 20>amazing wife Daddy. Considering the other candidates, I think the

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<v Speaker 20>country is really lucky to have you as the one

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<v Speaker 20>making this decision.

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<v Speaker 8>Dotty, what are you doing up?

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<v Speaker 5>Well?

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<v Speaker 9>How was your chat with Sally enlightening? Where on earth

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<v Speaker 9>are you going at this hour? Harry one, guess you're

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<v Speaker 9>going to the courthouse.

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<v Speaker 6>Is it even.

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<v Speaker 8>Open, Dottie?

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<v Speaker 10>They gave me a key. It's time to make a decision. Oh,

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<v Speaker 10>don't wait up, sweetheart and listen. Thank you, Dotty. I

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<v Speaker 10>don't say it enough, but none of this would be

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<v Speaker 10>real without you.

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<v Speaker 6>Oh I know.

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<v Speaker 8>And you're right.

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<v Speaker 6>You don't say it enough. Now go put an end

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<v Speaker 6>to all this, yes.

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<v Speaker 16>Ma'am your honor.

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<v Speaker 8>Oh hello, sorry, I didn't mean to startle.

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<v Speaker 21>Hello there, I didn't know anyone who was at the

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<v Speaker 21>courthouse this late.

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<v Speaker 8>You're Malcolm, our new records cleric Stephen. Actually, yes, sir, Stephen.

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<v Speaker 10>Stephen right, someone told me this is where I could

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<v Speaker 10>find a copy of the dissents in the Griswold case.

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<v Speaker 10>Truth be told, I've been wandering around for twenty five

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<v Speaker 10>minutes looking for this office.

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<v Speaker 21>They keep me pretty well hidden, your honor. But those

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<v Speaker 21>files would actually be in the records room in the basement.

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<v Speaker 21>Let me get them for you, sir.

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<v Speaker 10>Really only because it'd probably take me two weeks. Stephn,

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<v Speaker 10>locate the records room, not a problem.

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<v Speaker 4>Just give me a mat.

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<v Speaker 10>Hello, Stephen, No U Stephen just stepped away for a minute.

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<v Speaker 3>But this is the court clerk's office, right, yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>it is great. This is Sarah wedding too.

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<v Speaker 8>Oh, I see. I'm sure Stephen will return in a Maybe.

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<v Speaker 3>You can help me. I'm going a little nutty here.

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<v Speaker 3>You have been given any indication of when we can

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<v Speaker 3>expect a decision in roeby Wade.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm afraid not. I really should go No, wait.

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<v Speaker 3>A second, will you. It's just I've called and talked

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<v Speaker 3>to Stephen like ten times. He never knows anything either.

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<v Speaker 3>You know. I actually feel bad for the.

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<v Speaker 8>Justices comeing in.

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<v Speaker 3>My part's done. Say, it's a hard job.

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<v Speaker 10>Now, I hear you gave a very fine performance, Missus Weddington.

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<v Speaker 10>No matter what happens, you should be proud, Missus Weddington,

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<v Speaker 10>if you don't mind my asking what's next for you?

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<v Speaker 3>Honestly, I don't have a clue. Some people around here

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<v Speaker 3>have asked me to run for the legislature politics.

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<v Speaker 8>Really, I know I.

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<v Speaker 3>Know politics, but I'll tell you it's an awfully strange

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<v Speaker 3>feeling to know that the most important thing I'll ever

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<v Speaker 3>do in my life is over at twenty six. It's

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<v Speaker 3>an awfully strange feeling.

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<v Speaker 8>You're my daughter's age.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh you have a daughter?

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<v Speaker 8>I have three.

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<v Speaker 3>You're lucky men with daughters. They just understand women more,

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<v Speaker 3>you know what I mean? Except for Nixon. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know why Trician and Julie let him get away with

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<v Speaker 3>the crabby pulls.

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<v Speaker 8>You think they have a say?

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<v Speaker 16>Do you?

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<v Speaker 3>Are you? Kidds? Any self respecting daughter would be ashamed

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<v Speaker 3>to have her daddy so poorly trained. But then what

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<v Speaker 3>do I know? I couldn't even get my father to

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<v Speaker 3>come watch me. Are you in the Supreme Court?

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<v Speaker 8>I'm sorry to hear that he's a.

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<v Speaker 3>Minister and you can imagine how he feels about my

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<v Speaker 3>involvement in all this feels like every day we move

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<v Speaker 3>further and further away from each other.

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<v Speaker 8>My youngest daughter.

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<v Speaker 3>Is a hippie and I'll bet you just hate that.

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<v Speaker 10>I do, I really really do.

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<v Speaker 3>Don't let the girls fool you. They may play it

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<v Speaker 3>tough like they don't need you. Trust me. It's just next.

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<v Speaker 4>I should go.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm glad you answered, and Fitness Steven, are you a

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<v Speaker 3>new clerk?

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<v Speaker 8>I'm I.

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<v Speaker 10>I wish I had more information for you about your case,

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<v Speaker 10>Missus Whittington, but.

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<v Speaker 8>I think I think soon.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, terrific. You take care of those daughters now,

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<v Speaker 3>and every once in a while, give them a little

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<v Speaker 3>more credit than you think they deserve. They may just

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<v Speaker 3>surprise you.

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<v Speaker 8>Goodbye, now, goodbye everything all right, Justice Blackman?

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<v Speaker 4>Who is that on the phone?

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<v Speaker 8>Thank you, Stephen, It was just I should get back

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<v Speaker 8>to my office.

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<v Speaker 21>Here are the files you ask for, your honor. Are

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<v Speaker 21>they to help you make a decision on the abortion case?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 8>Actually, I believe I've made one. Now the hard part begins.

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