WEBVTT - Infamous: Sometimes Roses are Red Flags

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<v Speaker 1>The Bachelor has been on for over twenty years. There

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<v Speaker 1>has been love found and of course love lost amongst

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<v Speaker 1>all the roses handed out. We thought we'd seen it all, engagements, weddings, babies,

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<v Speaker 1>devastating breakups and forever friendships.

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<v Speaker 2>But there is a darker side.

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<v Speaker 1>Stories and scandals that were buried and never told, Questions

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<v Speaker 1>that need answers, and truths that must be revealed. Beginning Monday,

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<v Speaker 1>we bring you behind the camera and expose the stories

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<v Speaker 1>that remained until now untold. A tell all from those

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<v Speaker 1>you've gotten to know and love and those you love

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<v Speaker 1>to hate. Ben Higgins and Ashley, I bring you Infamous.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes roses are red flags. Listen Monday on the Almost

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<v Speaker 1>Famous podcast feed to Infamous. Sometimes roses are red flags.

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<v Speaker 2>Infamous is an idea that I think listeners and viewers,

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<v Speaker 2>past viewers of the show and viewers today have been

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<v Speaker 2>kind of asking for They're wondering what is going on

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<v Speaker 2>with the show, and a lot of these questions that

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<v Speaker 2>have been even made into television shows like Unreal that

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<v Speaker 2>have lasted seasons. A lot of these big questions of

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<v Speaker 2>how's the show actually made? Why do people kind of

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<v Speaker 2>look the way they look after coming off the show,

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<v Speaker 2>and maybe why is somebody a villain on the show

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<v Speaker 2>that I meet them in person, they're so nice and

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<v Speaker 2>friendly and welcoming. What is actually happening on this show

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<v Speaker 2>to make people this way? This has been questions that

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<v Speaker 2>so many viewers have asked for years.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yes, everybody always asks is it real?

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<v Speaker 2>Like?

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<v Speaker 3>Did they make you say that?

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<v Speaker 4>And now something's happening in the Bachelor background. The crew

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<v Speaker 4>that we have known for so many years pretty much gone.

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<v Speaker 4>I know one person that remains. And because they're all gone,

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<v Speaker 4>Ben and I, to be quite honest, have not so

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<v Speaker 4>many ties there, not so many loyalties left.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that why you're willing to do it now?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 4>See, I find myself to be just a little bit

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<v Speaker 4>more honest about the things that you and I have

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<v Speaker 4>been so protective of because we were protecting the people

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<v Speaker 4>who worked there.

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<v Speaker 3>We love them.

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<v Speaker 4>They gave us so much in life, Like ever, so

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<v Speaker 4>much of what we live today is thanks to the

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<v Speaker 4>people that work there. And now that nobody works there,

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<v Speaker 4>it's like, yeah, I can kind of tell some more stories.

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<v Speaker 4>We can give you guys, a little bit more juice.

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<v Speaker 2>The juice is necessary now. I will still hold on

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<v Speaker 2>to it. I've been lying to anybody for nine years

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<v Speaker 2>by saying I do not blame editing for all of

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<v Speaker 2>the cast members' mistakes. I refuse to do that. I've

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<v Speaker 2>been on this show. Editing has been a problem for

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<v Speaker 2>a few but a lot of times it's the decisions

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<v Speaker 2>that people are making, or maybe I should say it differently.

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<v Speaker 2>I think what we're going to find is it's the

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<v Speaker 2>input of trusted producers who help cultivate the decisions that

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<v Speaker 2>we then look back on and say that felt like

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<v Speaker 2>a mistake.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, So Ben is going to take this side, and

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<v Speaker 4>as a victim of Malia may I say editing I

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<v Speaker 4>am probably going to be a little bit more lax

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<v Speaker 4>when people do want to blame the storyline that they

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<v Speaker 4>were fit into.

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<v Speaker 2>It's so many different perspectives. Ashley and I can agree

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<v Speaker 2>to disagree on this, but here's what we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>get into. The show has changed, it has It has

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<v Speaker 2>changed over the years that Ashley and I have been

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<v Speaker 2>doing the almost famous podcast. We've talked here recently about

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<v Speaker 2>how we think the show could be better. A lot

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<v Speaker 2>of that is kind of an off hands approach to producing. Also,

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<v Speaker 2>the show has changed in the fact that people's pursuits

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<v Speaker 2>are different than maybe they used to be. I think

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<v Speaker 2>that's obvious to any viewer. The show has changed also

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<v Speaker 2>in the lack of viewers that are watching this show.

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<v Speaker 2>And part of infamous is going to be digging in

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<v Speaker 2>to ask the question why have people stopped watching?

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<v Speaker 4>I must admit that since people have stopped watching, there

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<v Speaker 4>hasn't been really any infamous moments. You know, think about

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<v Speaker 4>the last infamous moments.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, if you look it up online, what are the

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<v Speaker 2>most infamous moments of The Bachelor, I think you would

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<v Speaker 2>be hard pressed to find any in the last five times.

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<v Speaker 4>In the Brown season was probably the last one people

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<v Speaker 4>would call infamous, whether it's the podium move or her

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<v Speaker 4>just relationship with Tyler Cameron.

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<v Speaker 3>There was one more.

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<v Speaker 2>Thing, the windmill.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, the windmill.

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<v Speaker 4>We had sex four terms the windmill thing, Yes, exactly.

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<v Speaker 3>What's his name? What was his name?

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<v Speaker 2>Peter?

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<v Speaker 4>Peter was in the windmill, Yes, but Luke was the

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<v Speaker 4>one that she was coming at saying, guess what. I

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<v Speaker 4>had sex the windmill four times and Jesus still loves

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<v Speaker 4>me and it was amazing. And that was probably one

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<v Speaker 4>of the last infamous moments that we've had and ever

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<v Speaker 4>since then it's been a downlold sprial. But hopefully we

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<v Speaker 4>do have Hannah Brown coming on the show in a

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<v Speaker 4>couple months, and we're gonna have to get into those

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<v Speaker 4>since her season is filled with those moments that we'd

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<v Speaker 4>love to dig into further.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure she would love to talk about all those moments.

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<v Speaker 2>I'd probably be a blast.

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<v Speaker 3>For her in prep for her wedding.

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<v Speaker 2>You touched on a few things as we close here

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<v Speaker 2>and get started in this infamous journey that I think

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<v Speaker 2>is really really important for us to speak to. When

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<v Speaker 2>we were on the show many years ago. The staff,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of the staff had been around for twenty years.

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<v Speaker 2>Like they the camera and the audio had been around

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<v Speaker 2>since the beginning episodes of The Bachelor and Bachelorette. The producers,

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of them grew up within the franchise. They

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<v Speaker 2>started as junior producers and moved their way up to

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<v Speaker 2>EPs hosts of the show. Chris Harrison was around forever, right.

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<v Speaker 2>He was known for The Bachelor and Bachelor for the

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<v Speaker 2>first time ever, for the first time in Bachelor history.

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<v Speaker 2>There is one person, one person we're still on this show,

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<v Speaker 2>still around that we are familiar with and know of

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<v Speaker 2>everybody else is new and that happened this offseason. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a big deal. And so a big of the question

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<v Speaker 2>there that I want to get to the bottom of

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<v Speaker 2>is why, like why the change, why the switch? And

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<v Speaker 2>then what what are they hoping has done differently to

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<v Speaker 2>make this show back to what it was?

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<v Speaker 3>And can we actually get it back to what it was?

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<v Speaker 4>Will there one be a day in the future where

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<v Speaker 4>Along Gale is back producing it and Chris Harrison is

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<v Speaker 4>back as the host, perhaps after a couple of years break,

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<v Speaker 4>and then it relives somewhere else like American Idol Dead.

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<v Speaker 4>But we're going to get into this and we're gonna.

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<v Speaker 3>Get as many.

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<v Speaker 4>Juicy details about what happened in front of the camera

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<v Speaker 4>and what happened.

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<v Speaker 3>Behind the camera here for you guys.

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<v Speaker 4>So what we'll be doing is having some of your

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<v Speaker 4>favorite casts come on to talk about what you saw

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<v Speaker 4>on TV as an infamous moment, but also what they

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<v Speaker 4>experienced behind the scenes, all the conversations that they had

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<v Speaker 4>with the producers, how long it got for them to

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<v Speaker 4>get to the point in which the dramatic moment was made.

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<v Speaker 4>And then we're also and this is when it gets

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<v Speaker 4>special guys. We're also going to talk to producers. We're

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<v Speaker 4>going to try to make them as incognito as possible.

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<v Speaker 4>We want to know why the franchise has seemingly fallen

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<v Speaker 4>apart over the past few years. We want to know

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<v Speaker 4>not just that, but also how these huge moments were

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<v Speaker 4>produced and how your favorite seasons were produced, because sometimes

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<v Speaker 4>it's even more dramatic behind the scenes than it is

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<v Speaker 4>in front of the camera, as you see from shows

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<v Speaker 4>like Unreal This.

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<v Speaker 2>Will Be Infamous. Sometimes roses are red flags.

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