1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:05,080 Speaker 1: The Bachelor has been on for over twenty years. There 2 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:09,160 Speaker 1: has been love found and of course love lost amongst 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:14,320 Speaker 1: all the roses handed out. We thought we'd seen it all, engagements, weddings, babies, 4 00:00:14,840 --> 00:00:17,480 Speaker 1: devastating breakups and forever friendships. 5 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:19,840 Speaker 2: But there is a darker side. 6 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 1: Stories and scandals that were buried and never told, Questions 7 00:00:24,560 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: that need answers, and truths that must be revealed. Beginning Monday, 8 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: we bring you behind the camera and expose the stories 9 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: that remained until now untold. A tell all from those 10 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,319 Speaker 1: you've gotten to know and love and those you love 11 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: to hate. Ben Higgins and Ashley, I bring you Infamous. 12 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: Sometimes roses are red flags. Listen Monday on the Almost 13 00:00:48,840 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: Famous podcast feed to Infamous. Sometimes roses are red flags. 14 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 2: Infamous is an idea that I think listeners and viewers, 15 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 2: past viewers of the show and viewers today have been 16 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: kind of asking for They're wondering what is going on 17 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 2: with the show, and a lot of these questions that 18 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:12,120 Speaker 2: have been even made into television shows like Unreal that 19 00:01:12,160 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 2: have lasted seasons. A lot of these big questions of 20 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 2: how's the show actually made? Why do people kind of 21 00:01:17,600 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 2: look the way they look after coming off the show, 22 00:01:19,840 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 2: and maybe why is somebody a villain on the show 23 00:01:22,160 --> 00:01:23,960 Speaker 2: that I meet them in person, they're so nice and 24 00:01:24,000 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 2: friendly and welcoming. What is actually happening on this show 25 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 2: to make people this way? This has been questions that 26 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 2: so many viewers have asked for years. 27 00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 3: Right, Yes, everybody always asks is it real? 28 00:01:37,360 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: Like? 29 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 3: Did they make you say that? 30 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 4: And now something's happening in the Bachelor background. The crew 31 00:01:45,040 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 4: that we have known for so many years pretty much gone. 32 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 4: I know one person that remains. And because they're all gone, 33 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 4: Ben and I, to be quite honest, have not so 34 00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 4: many ties there, not so many loyalties left. 35 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 2: Is that why you're willing to do it now? 36 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 3: Yeah? 37 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 4: See, I find myself to be just a little bit 38 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 4: more honest about the things that you and I have 39 00:02:11,000 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 4: been so protective of because we were protecting the people 40 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 4: who worked there. 41 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:15,880 Speaker 3: We love them. 42 00:02:16,000 --> 00:02:20,120 Speaker 4: They gave us so much in life, Like ever, so 43 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,679 Speaker 4: much of what we live today is thanks to the 44 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,120 Speaker 4: people that work there. And now that nobody works there, 45 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 4: it's like, yeah, I can kind of tell some more stories. 46 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 4: We can give you guys, a little bit more juice. 47 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,360 Speaker 2: The juice is necessary now. I will still hold on 48 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:34,639 Speaker 2: to it. I've been lying to anybody for nine years 49 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 2: by saying I do not blame editing for all of 50 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 2: the cast members' mistakes. I refuse to do that. I've 51 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,840 Speaker 2: been on this show. Editing has been a problem for 52 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 2: a few but a lot of times it's the decisions 53 00:02:46,840 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 2: that people are making, or maybe I should say it differently. 54 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 2: I think what we're going to find is it's the 55 00:02:53,919 --> 00:03:01,840 Speaker 2: input of trusted producers who help cultivate the decisions that 56 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 2: we then look back on and say that felt like 57 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 2: a mistake. 58 00:03:05,200 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 4: Okay, So Ben is going to take this side, and 59 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:12,040 Speaker 4: as a victim of Malia may I say editing I 60 00:03:12,080 --> 00:03:14,840 Speaker 4: am probably going to be a little bit more lax 61 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 4: when people do want to blame the storyline that they 62 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:19,520 Speaker 4: were fit into. 63 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 2: It's so many different perspectives. Ashley and I can agree 64 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 2: to disagree on this, but here's what we're going to 65 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:29,400 Speaker 2: get into. The show has changed, it has It has 66 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 2: changed over the years that Ashley and I have been 67 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 2: doing the almost famous podcast. We've talked here recently about 68 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,560 Speaker 2: how we think the show could be better. A lot 69 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 2: of that is kind of an off hands approach to producing. Also, 70 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 2: the show has changed in the fact that people's pursuits 71 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 2: are different than maybe they used to be. I think 72 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:54,040 Speaker 2: that's obvious to any viewer. The show has changed also 73 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:57,800 Speaker 2: in the lack of viewers that are watching this show. 74 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 2: And part of infamous is going to be digging in 75 00:04:00,920 --> 00:04:05,280 Speaker 2: to ask the question why have people stopped watching? 76 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,920 Speaker 4: I must admit that since people have stopped watching, there 77 00:04:08,960 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 4: hasn't been really any infamous moments. You know, think about 78 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 4: the last infamous moments. 79 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you look it up online, what are the 80 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:21,039 Speaker 2: most infamous moments of The Bachelor, I think you would 81 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:23,400 Speaker 2: be hard pressed to find any in the last five times. 82 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:26,920 Speaker 4: In the Brown season was probably the last one people 83 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 4: would call infamous, whether it's the podium move or her 84 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:35,120 Speaker 4: just relationship with Tyler Cameron. 85 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 3: There was one more. 86 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 2: Thing, the windmill. 87 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:40,400 Speaker 3: Oh, the windmill. 88 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 4: We had sex four terms the windmill thing, Yes, exactly. 89 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 3: What's his name? What was his name? 90 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:46,760 Speaker 2: Peter? 91 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 4: Peter was in the windmill, Yes, but Luke was the 92 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:52,520 Speaker 4: one that she was coming at saying, guess what. I 93 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 4: had sex the windmill four times and Jesus still loves 94 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 4: me and it was amazing. And that was probably one 95 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,320 Speaker 4: of the last infamous moments that we've had and ever 96 00:05:02,360 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 4: since then it's been a downlold sprial. But hopefully we 97 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 4: do have Hannah Brown coming on the show in a 98 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 4: couple months, and we're gonna have to get into those 99 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 4: since her season is filled with those moments that we'd 100 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 4: love to dig into further. 101 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,200 Speaker 2: I'm sure she would love to talk about all those moments. 102 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 2: I'd probably be a blast. 103 00:05:17,160 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 3: For her in prep for her wedding. 104 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:23,280 Speaker 2: You touched on a few things as we close here 105 00:05:23,480 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 2: and get started in this infamous journey that I think 106 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 2: is really really important for us to speak to. When 107 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 2: we were on the show many years ago. The staff, 108 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 2: a lot of the staff had been around for twenty years. 109 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 2: Like they the camera and the audio had been around 110 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 2: since the beginning episodes of The Bachelor and Bachelorette. The producers, 111 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,040 Speaker 2: a lot of them grew up within the franchise. They 112 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 2: started as junior producers and moved their way up to 113 00:05:51,520 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 2: EPs hosts of the show. Chris Harrison was around forever, right. 114 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:01,520 Speaker 2: He was known for The Bachelor and Bachelor for the 115 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: first time ever, for the first time in Bachelor history. 116 00:06:06,480 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 2: There is one person, one person we're still on this show, 117 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 2: still around that we are familiar with and know of 118 00:06:16,120 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 2: everybody else is new and that happened this offseason. That's 119 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: a big deal. And so a big of the question 120 00:06:22,839 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 2: there that I want to get to the bottom of 121 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 2: is why, like why the change, why the switch? And 122 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 2: then what what are they hoping has done differently to 123 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 2: make this show back to what it was? 124 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 3: And can we actually get it back to what it was? 125 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 4: Will there one be a day in the future where 126 00:06:44,720 --> 00:06:48,479 Speaker 4: Along Gale is back producing it and Chris Harrison is 127 00:06:48,520 --> 00:06:51,159 Speaker 4: back as the host, perhaps after a couple of years break, 128 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:53,880 Speaker 4: and then it relives somewhere else like American Idol Dead. 129 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 4: But we're going to get into this and we're gonna. 130 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 3: Get as many. 131 00:06:57,640 --> 00:07:00,719 Speaker 4: Juicy details about what happened in front of the camera 132 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 4: and what happened. 133 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:03,679 Speaker 3: Behind the camera here for you guys. 134 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:06,680 Speaker 4: So what we'll be doing is having some of your 135 00:07:06,720 --> 00:07:10,080 Speaker 4: favorite casts come on to talk about what you saw 136 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,800 Speaker 4: on TV as an infamous moment, but also what they 137 00:07:12,840 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 4: experienced behind the scenes, all the conversations that they had 138 00:07:15,400 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 4: with the producers, how long it got for them to 139 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 4: get to the point in which the dramatic moment was made. 140 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,240 Speaker 4: And then we're also and this is when it gets 141 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 4: special guys. We're also going to talk to producers. We're 142 00:07:28,640 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 4: going to try to make them as incognito as possible. 143 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:35,880 Speaker 4: We want to know why the franchise has seemingly fallen 144 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 4: apart over the past few years. We want to know 145 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:45,560 Speaker 4: not just that, but also how these huge moments were 146 00:07:45,600 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 4: produced and how your favorite seasons were produced, because sometimes 147 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 4: it's even more dramatic behind the scenes than it is 148 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 4: in front of the camera, as you see from shows 149 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,080 Speaker 4: like Unreal This. 150 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 2: Will Be Infamous. Sometimes roses are red flags. 151 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,480 Speaker 1: Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts on 152 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,760 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.