1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:03,840 Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I almost Famous podcast 2 00:00:03,880 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: with iHeartRadio. 3 00:00:05,760 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 2: It's almost famous podcast. We are here breaking down hometowns 4 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 2: of Jones season of The Golden Bachelorette. Ashley, I want 5 00:00:13,760 --> 00:00:15,000 Speaker 2: to start with this statement. 6 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,280 Speaker 3: Okay, I love your big dramatic statements. 7 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 4: Isn't that like what you do in radio is. 8 00:00:21,840 --> 00:00:26,079 Speaker 3: Like the Yes, you do a great job, because I 9 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:27,040 Speaker 3: truly get excited. 10 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 2: Pascal is my favorite, me too, and that takes nothing 11 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 2: away from the other guys that exists within this process. 12 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a recency bias because we 13 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 2: got to interview her his daughter, and if you haven't 14 00:00:40,680 --> 00:00:42,920 Speaker 2: listened to that, please go back to the almost humous threat. 15 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 2: Didn't listen to the interview with his daughter. It is awesome. 16 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 2: She gives us great insight into who he is as 17 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:50,320 Speaker 2: a person, which we see a little bit of on 18 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,200 Speaker 2: the show, but I think she gives us even more 19 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 2: details and insight during the interview. But I wasn't I'll 20 00:00:56,600 --> 00:00:59,319 Speaker 2: be honest, I wasn't convinced with Pascal. I didn't dislike him, 21 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 2: I just didn't. I thought he was a character more 22 00:01:01,440 --> 00:01:06,479 Speaker 2: than he was a compatible match. After our interview with her, 23 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 2: I walked out of that interview and I said, and 24 00:01:09,640 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 2: I told Jess this, I said, I think he actually 25 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:17,560 Speaker 2: is exactly what somebody could be looking like Joan especially 26 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:19,959 Speaker 2: is looking for in this next golden chapter. 27 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 4: And it showed up during this episode. 28 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 3: So you weren't here for Nancy's interview last week when 29 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,160 Speaker 3: we recapped, and she brought that point up about how 30 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 3: like he's just totally different and he's kind of like 31 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 3: a Sex and the City character, like if it were 32 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 3: to happen in like the new rendition of Sex and 33 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,320 Speaker 3: the City where it's like you're looking for somebody that's 34 00:01:40,520 --> 00:01:44,120 Speaker 3: not your husband who's passed away, somebody just to like 35 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 3: live a whole different chapter of life. And he fits 36 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 3: that mold perfectly. And I just saw a lot to 37 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 3: him during this episode because like we had the emotion 38 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 3: with his son and then like he is so swabe 39 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 3: and I know he's always been very handsome, but like it, 40 00:02:04,640 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 3: you know, they'll made me feel weird, like when I say, 41 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 3: when we talked about Mark, but like I saw Pascal 42 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 3: as very sexy in this episode. 43 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, I can see that. I get that. 44 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 2: A couple comments as we move into breaking this down 45 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:21,160 Speaker 2: some overarching themes that came up. 46 00:02:21,919 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 4: Uh. 47 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:24,680 Speaker 2: I don't want this to come off as any type 48 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,799 Speaker 2: of criticism towards Joan, because I think Joan has been fantastic. 49 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 2: I think they're going to have a really hard time 50 00:02:31,320 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 2: finding a golden bachelorette that has navigated this process like Joan. 51 00:02:36,240 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 2: I do think they will find other golden bachelorettes who 52 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:43,320 Speaker 2: will benefit from this process, that will find love in 53 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:47,080 Speaker 2: this process, that will have different a different personality type, 54 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,360 Speaker 2: and so there'll be different guys that they're interested in. 55 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 2: I think they'll be fine. Joan has been fantastic. I 56 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 2: think this is the second episode though, and I would 57 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,240 Speaker 2: love to talk to Joan about this. I have no 58 00:02:57,400 --> 00:02:59,440 Speaker 2: clue how to relate with this because I obviously haven't 59 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 2: been through it. I think this is the second episode 60 00:03:02,320 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 2: that I asked myself, is Joan really ready? 61 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 4: No, I don't know if she is. 62 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 3: I don't think she is, and it really has been recent. 63 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 2: The only reason I can I feel like I can 64 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 2: say that is because of her comments to mark On. 65 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,880 Speaker 2: I don't think we're in the same place, so my 66 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:23,480 Speaker 2: comparison to that, which, you know, if she felt that way, great, 67 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,080 Speaker 2: But now I'm watching it and I'm I'm personally thinking, 68 00:03:28,160 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 2: I don't see a difference between where Mark was at 69 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,640 Speaker 2: and where he like and how he was feeling and 70 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:36,560 Speaker 2: where now Joan is at, especially during this episode, because 71 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:42,680 Speaker 2: it's consistently compared to the past, which again isn't a criticism. 72 00:03:42,720 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 4: I just don't know if she's ready. 73 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:45,800 Speaker 3: I want to bring up Pascal again. 74 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 4: Okay. 75 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 3: I think with Pascal, she's going to have a relationship 76 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,920 Speaker 3: where it's not comparable to what she had with her husband, 77 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 3: which I think is what she needs because if it's 78 00:03:55,280 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 3: anything close to her husband, then like through the rest 79 00:03:57,960 --> 00:04:00,080 Speaker 3: of her life it's gonna be like, oh but he 80 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 3: did that. Oh and he did that. So I think 81 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 3: it's like nice to kind of like break away and 82 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 3: to have her have like two separate like not lives, 83 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 3: but you know what I mean. Also, when Pascal said 84 00:04:13,040 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 3: we are moved, we're like in the same place, Like 85 00:04:17,160 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 3: we're both not really feeling like we need to rush this, 86 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 3: like he was like I She's like, I know that 87 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 3: I'm like kind of being slow, and he's like, well, 88 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 3: I know that I'm kind of being slow. But I 89 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 3: think that we're like on the same trajectory. That was. 90 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 3: I was like, yes, perfect, another reason to like Pascal, 91 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:39,240 Speaker 3: And for some reason she interprets it later in the 92 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 3: episode as like a warning sign, and I'm like, no, No, 93 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:45,719 Speaker 3: girl realized that that's kind of where you're at too. 94 00:04:47,000 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 2: I think you're saying yes, you're putting it into better 95 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 2: language than I could. I didn't know what I was 96 00:04:52,480 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 2: exactly feeling. It's not that I don't think Joan is 97 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 2: ready for this experience. It's not that I don't think 98 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 2: Joan is going to benefit from the process. It's not 99 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:04,800 Speaker 2: that I don't think Joan was the right choice for 100 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,960 Speaker 2: the Golden Bachelorette. All those things I think are one 101 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,160 Speaker 2: hundred percent the right decision by her to say yes 102 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 2: to it, by the show to bring her on all 103 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 2: those things. Mike, My point is not that she's not 104 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 2: ready to have an incredible next chapter. I don't think 105 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 2: she's ready to enter into something that feels like a 106 00:05:27,600 --> 00:05:33,080 Speaker 2: marriage or feels like that extreme commitment. I think Pascal 107 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,840 Speaker 2: offers this, Hey, you and I are exclusive. You and 108 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 2: I are moving towards whatever we want in this next 109 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 2: chapter of love. I love you, I care about you, 110 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:45,280 Speaker 2: I want to have adventures with you. I want to 111 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,840 Speaker 2: experience the world with you, but this isn't going to 112 00:05:49,880 --> 00:05:52,400 Speaker 2: look like what it did before for you. And I 113 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 2: think that if I was sitting down with Joan at 114 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:58,360 Speaker 2: this point the season, after watching the journey so far, 115 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 2: that would be what I would tell tell her is 116 00:06:02,080 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 2: I think this dude offers a lot of the things 117 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,839 Speaker 2: you want where Chalk Chalk wants to marry this woman, 118 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 2: which is amazing and so fun to see. Yeah, that 119 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 2: he's so head over heels for her, but I think 120 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,200 Speaker 2: it's going to feel like a little bit of a 121 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 2: like I can't catch my breath. This is a lot 122 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 2: really soon. 123 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 3: Exactly, And I think right now, especially with the persuasion 124 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 3: of the producers, the chalk vibe is what we are 125 00:06:29,560 --> 00:06:32,680 Speaker 3: traditionally looking for on this show. But I'm just not 126 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 3: sure that that's what she really needs. I think she 127 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,000 Speaker 3: might be like two in bachelorette mindset. 128 00:06:40,160 --> 00:06:43,080 Speaker 2: You're right, because yes, that's interesting that you say that, 129 00:06:43,600 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 2: because you see the bachelorette language. Come up now for 130 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:48,960 Speaker 2: the next episode, I'm going to leave here with nobody. 131 00:06:49,000 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 2: And it's like, if you do, is that big a deal? Joan, 132 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 2: Like you're you have a great life, You're thriving, Like, 133 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:57,240 Speaker 2: if none of these guys are for you, Gary said it, right, 134 00:06:57,520 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 2: Trista kind of said it, like, if none of these 135 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 2: guys are for you, you, this is different. You know, 136 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 2: this is a whole different thing. You know you're worthy 137 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,440 Speaker 2: of love. You know you can give love. You know 138 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:09,680 Speaker 2: you haven't a family that is like so in love 139 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 2: with you. You have grand kids, Like. 140 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 4: You're fine. Love exists in your world. 141 00:07:13,560 --> 00:07:16,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you leave here with nobody, if that is 142 00:07:16,600 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 2: the best decision for you, that's okay. What I'm concerned about, 143 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 2: what I would be as a viewer and as a 144 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 2: huge Jon fan. What I am most concerned about at 145 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 2: this point is that she is going to say yes 146 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:34,559 Speaker 2: to something that is going to feel like too much 147 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 2: as soon as the public starts knowing about it. 148 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 4: Right. 149 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. Another thing about Chock, just because he does feel 150 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 3: like a lot, he's he's not I don't like, I 151 00:07:46,320 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 3: don't want to use the expression, but maybe I will. 152 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 3: It's a kind of like love bombing. Okay. He's coming 153 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:55,360 Speaker 3: on really strong. Mostly in last week's episode when they 154 00:07:55,400 --> 00:07:58,800 Speaker 3: were bowling now, he was like saying certain things like 155 00:07:58,800 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 3: what'sida of the bad news? I talked about this with 156 00:08:01,160 --> 00:08:06,440 Speaker 3: Nancy now that kind of like I gotten messages on 157 00:08:06,480 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 3: Instagram that was like, yeah, Chuck is giving me the ick, 158 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,040 Speaker 3: and it's just because I think it's just like a 159 00:08:11,080 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 3: little bit too much and I don't want her to 160 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:19,880 Speaker 3: have that like I'm being smothered with love feeling when 161 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 3: she's done with this, because I just don't think that 162 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 3: she's in the right place for that. 163 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:26,160 Speaker 4: Can I bring up. 164 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 2: A thought that I don't know to be true and 165 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 2: I want you to argue with me about it, and 166 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 2: I want our listeners to argue with me about it 167 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,720 Speaker 2: if they don't agree with it. Is there a level? 168 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,839 Speaker 2: You know, as we get older, we in a lot 169 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 2: of ways kind of get younger, right, and you need 170 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 2: more people taking care of you again, right, You need support, 171 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 2: You're looking for love, You're looking to be around like 172 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:56,440 Speaker 2: friends and community, And as you get older, you kind of, yes, 173 00:08:56,480 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 2: you've matured in so many ways and you have life 174 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 2: experience to lean on, but you kind of go back 175 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 2: to your younger years and the same, you know, sentiment. 176 00:09:09,160 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 2: I wonder if Chalk, for example, because he has fallen 177 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,000 Speaker 2: in love and now been out of love and kind 178 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 2: of taking a break in between and he's not in 179 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 2: that kind of dating have that dating muscle, that love muscle, 180 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,240 Speaker 2: you know that you experience as you're kind of exploring 181 00:09:26,280 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 2: other people and you're trying to figure out what you're 182 00:09:27,880 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 2: looking for as a partner. 183 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:29,920 Speaker 3: He has no chill. 184 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, exactly like that. He's like overly excited. He 185 00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 2: doesn't know how to walk through this solely because like 186 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 2: he said, and I think it's sweet. 187 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 4: He doesn't give me the dick. I do think it's sweet. 188 00:09:45,000 --> 00:09:47,679 Speaker 2: I think he looks at Joan and says, you are 189 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 2: everything I've ever dreamed of. I want to give you 190 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,679 Speaker 2: the world. I want to spin my world with you. 191 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 2: I want to do all the things, which is sweet. 192 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,840 Speaker 2: I just don't know if that's what Joan wants. 193 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 3: She thinks that she wants it though right now. 194 00:10:02,840 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 4: Yes, I think she thinks that she wants it. 195 00:10:04,880 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 2: But I, like I said that, if I sat down 196 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 2: with her and had a heart to heart, it would 197 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 2: be Joan, do you really want that? 198 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 4: Do you want that? Or do you just want a 199 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 4: lot of fun? 200 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:18,600 Speaker 3: Yeah? Do you want fun and companionship? 201 00:10:19,080 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 4: Yeah? I don't know. I can't speak for Joan there. 202 00:10:21,200 --> 00:10:23,960 Speaker 2: Now, this is a viewer my perspective as we sit 203 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 2: here after hometown's and after seeing some great you know 204 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:31,560 Speaker 2: dates go go on, Let's start with kind of like 205 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 2: lightly then breaking down each day. We start this episode 206 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 2: with guy Guy's families involved. 207 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,440 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I can't get over the fact that this 208 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 3: guy's still here. This guy is still here, and he's 209 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 3: at the end of the episode still here. 210 00:10:56,120 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 2: Interesting kind of perspective is you know this. I looked 211 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:04,720 Speaker 2: into it last night. It's not a secret at this 212 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 2: point that you know, he has had complaints. There was 213 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:12,480 Speaker 2: a temporary restraining order that was filed or asked to 214 00:11:12,480 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 2: be filed against him. The details of this are a 215 00:11:15,760 --> 00:11:18,760 Speaker 2: little murky. It's hard to really understand kind of where 216 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:21,000 Speaker 2: this fell out. But it was with his ex wife. 217 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,679 Speaker 3: Okay, oh, it was with the ex wife. Interesting. 218 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 2: The interesting part of this is his kids were there, 219 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 2: which I'm assuming the mother is his ex wife, and 220 00:11:31,920 --> 00:11:36,080 Speaker 2: they were very supportive of their father. So I don't know, like, 221 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 2: I don't know the details of this whole thing. It's 222 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 2: hard to understand online even I'm not a legal expert, 223 00:11:42,760 --> 00:11:45,679 Speaker 2: but she obviously sees something in him. And here's my point, 224 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 2: how could she not he picked her up on a 225 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:51,240 Speaker 2: boat and went across Lake Tahoe. You and I've spent 226 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 2: time on Lake Tahoe together. Yeah, that place is beautiful. Yeah, 227 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:56,719 Speaker 2: like you want to feel like you're going to live 228 00:11:56,760 --> 00:12:01,520 Speaker 2: the dream. I know, like that date set up, out 229 00:12:01,520 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 2: of all the dates to it, it felt like it 230 00:12:05,000 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 2: was set up to be the date, the date that 231 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:13,280 Speaker 2: makes everything make sense. But obviously you have this shadow 232 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 2: over it right now, with the past, you know coming out. 233 00:12:17,760 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I couldn't. I couldn't watch him the same exactly. 234 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 4: That's a good point. You can't watch it the same. 235 00:12:23,920 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 3: And I'm not sure that like much of the audience 236 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 3: knows about this one. This one has definitely been more 237 00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 3: under the radar than Gil and of course further further 238 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,400 Speaker 3: further under the radar than Devin. 239 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:39,080 Speaker 4: Where's Devon at these days? 240 00:12:39,480 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 3: I know, you know, Devin, Like five minutes before we 241 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 3: started this, I was like, wow, talk about just like disappearing, 242 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 3: which is a good thing there, I was, so I 243 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 3: was kind of like looking into it a little bit 244 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 3: too deeply, perhaps, but like the family does allude to 245 00:12:56,360 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 3: him going through some rough times, like we're glad you're 246 00:12:59,320 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 3: you know, seeing you're getting over the tough times. That's all. 247 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,760 Speaker 3: I was like, Oh, so maybe he had some behavioral 248 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 3: issues after that divorce. But yeah, I just can't. I 249 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:17,120 Speaker 3: can't watch him without knowing that there was some sort 250 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 3: of altercation with a former lover and now me learning 251 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:26,640 Speaker 3: that it was his wife, and like there's just something 252 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 3: behind that calm. So I like kind of freaked out 253 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 3: because he's so calm, he's so that I'm like, there's 254 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,640 Speaker 3: something hiding behind that. 255 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:37,720 Speaker 4: It's hard to watch it the same way. 256 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:41,000 Speaker 3: I have one more thing to say, because beyond me 257 00:13:41,160 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 3: feeling not that I mean know ma me feeling weird 258 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,240 Speaker 3: because they're there's some legal thing, I also just do 259 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:49,560 Speaker 3: not feel it between the two of them, and I've 260 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:53,840 Speaker 3: never seen somebody yet this far where i feel no connection. 261 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, that feels like they haven't quite taken the step 262 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,440 Speaker 2: like the Pascals of the world. Even though you know, 263 00:14:02,480 --> 00:14:04,440 Speaker 2: I did view him as a character for a bit 264 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 2: at least, there's been moments where you're like, she's into it, 265 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 2: like she's having fun with this. Obviously, Chalk and her 266 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 2: have had some really great moments. I would say Jordan here, 267 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 2: it would also be one nice I felt it. Yeah, Yeah, 268 00:14:19,360 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 2: it kind of feels like he's just a great choice 269 00:14:22,880 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 2: and he was a nice nice. 270 00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:27,120 Speaker 4: But I'm with you. 271 00:14:27,240 --> 00:14:29,600 Speaker 2: I think that the two at the top, or Pascal 272 00:14:29,680 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 2: and Chalk here when it comes to the connection that exists. 273 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 2: I just did confirm that it is a Yes, it 274 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 2: was with his ex wife, and so we were not 275 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:41,280 Speaker 2: speaking out a turn there. It was late when I 276 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:43,360 Speaker 2: was looking at this online. I just want to make 277 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:47,400 Speaker 2: sure that I read things right way, because oftentimes I don't. 278 00:14:47,520 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 4: Okay. 279 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:51,840 Speaker 2: The next date that we see on this show is 280 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 2: with Pascal, correct, correct. 281 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 3: And it was the standout date for you for me, 282 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:03,480 Speaker 3: such as a salon. You can just feel the energy 283 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:07,440 Speaker 3: is so positive and comfortable, and you are getting a 284 00:15:07,480 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 3: taste in the life that she would have, right you 285 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 3: are getting a taste of the life that she would 286 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 3: have with him, and it is posh, lucks and just 287 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 3: exactly what I'd want in my sixties. She's getting her 288 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 3: hand rubbed with Champagne. He's taken her around his fancy 289 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 3: vehicle that is his bachelor pad. Because you know, sometimes 290 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 3: they show the homes are different people's homes, they confirm 291 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 3: that that's his home. I don't know. This seems like 292 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:42,520 Speaker 3: a nice life good looking family, good looking family. He's 293 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 3: just so swave. He feels manly in this episode, which 294 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 3: is a little bit different than what he's felt like. 295 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 3: Remember how we asked his daughter last week if like 296 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,200 Speaker 3: he felt like if she felt like her dad was metro. 297 00:15:54,800 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 3: In this way, he actually feels very masculine. He's not. 298 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 3: He doesn't seem like the kind of guy that's you know, 299 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 3: putting his pinky finger up when he's drinking. Here, he 300 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 3: feels like he. 301 00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:09,200 Speaker 4: Is a leading man with a big personality. 302 00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:12,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, with a big personality, big charisma, and everybody around 303 00:16:12,920 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 3: him likes to be around him. 304 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:16,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's interesting. 305 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 2: I saw golden Bachelor during this episode because of just 306 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:26,240 Speaker 2: his his energy level and his excitement. I don't, you know, 307 00:16:26,280 --> 00:16:28,880 Speaker 2: obviously know how this ends. I have not been spoiled. 308 00:16:30,080 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 2: I'm still you know, it's hard for me to believe 309 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 2: that it's not chalk at the end. Yeah, just based 310 00:16:34,840 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 2: on how everything's led up to this point. However, You're right, 311 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 2: he was. This was a fun date. It was a 312 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 2: fun vibe and can you imagine again going into you 313 00:16:46,560 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 2: know this world. She travels into Chicago to see her 314 00:16:50,320 --> 00:16:52,880 Speaker 2: you know, husband, boyfriend. Whatever they end up being at 315 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 2: the end, and she stops into the salon and has 316 00:16:56,920 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 2: all the girl chat with you know, thirty women, and 317 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 2: she has some champagne and then they go out to 318 00:17:02,680 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 2: a fancy dinner and then the next day they jump 319 00:17:04,400 --> 00:17:06,719 Speaker 2: on a flight to Paris. Like that feels like the 320 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 2: life they could live. It sounds fun, it sounds exciting. 321 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 2: I think he also, and I'd say, you see it 322 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,400 Speaker 2: in his eyes, you see it in emotion this episode. 323 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 2: I do think he deeply cares about Joan. I don't 324 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:27,120 Speaker 2: know where that leads to, and I do think he's 325 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:30,280 Speaker 2: hesitant to to take too many steps because, as he said, 326 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 2: he's been hurt deeply before. But I do think he 327 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 2: really cares about Joan, and I think it's a care 328 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 2: that is different than most where it's just like I 329 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:41,399 Speaker 2: like this woman. I think I can have fun with 330 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:46,439 Speaker 2: this woman. She's you know, she compliments me in so 331 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 2: many ways. And I also think that there is a 332 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:53,320 Speaker 2: level too where I think Joan's a big personality, But 333 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 2: I think it's been hard for her to show that 334 00:17:57,040 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 2: too much during this season because I think it has 335 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 2: been an internal struggle for most of it for her, 336 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 2: where she hasn't just been able to take a deep 337 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:06,200 Speaker 2: breath and be like, what him, you know, let me 338 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:08,320 Speaker 2: just have fun with this. I think a lot of 339 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 2: it is reminding her of the past, and that's tough 340 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 2: for sure. 341 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 3: And I will say I felt a little bit concerned 342 00:18:17,600 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 3: just seeing his lifestyle, like him in his element that like, 343 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,120 Speaker 3: perhaps he is a little bit of a playboy. 344 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,360 Speaker 4: I don't think he is. I think his kids would. 345 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:31,840 Speaker 3: I mean, obviously we met Natalie, but his son was 346 00:18:32,040 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 3: so sweet. 347 00:18:33,720 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, his son is the like I grew up with 348 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 2: every Chicago like a ton of Chicago people. His son 349 00:18:38,880 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 2: is every Chicago human. Yeah, like they are that human. 350 00:18:43,119 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 2: What you just saw there is a Chicago guy. I'm 351 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:47,840 Speaker 2: sure he had a lot of fun. Why his dad 352 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:49,560 Speaker 2: was gone, I'm sure it was the past few months 353 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 2: of his life to open up the bachelor pad to 354 00:18:53,119 --> 00:18:58,199 Speaker 2: his friends and you know, coworkers. His son was very sweet. 355 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,320 Speaker 2: The moment between the two of them was all awesome. 356 00:19:00,840 --> 00:19:03,199 Speaker 2: It was just any moment where a dad can look 357 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 2: at his sun and be like, I'm proud of you. 358 00:19:04,600 --> 00:19:08,679 Speaker 2: It's just such a cool thing. I don't think he 359 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:11,960 Speaker 2: is a playboy. I think you can get that vibe 360 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 2: from him. I do think his daughter would have told us, 361 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 2: or she wouldn't have been so invested into signing him up. 362 00:19:18,520 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 2: Why would you want to sign your dad up? Yeah, 363 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,199 Speaker 2: if you knew he was just out there living his 364 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 2: life in Chicago dating every you know, person that existed. 365 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, he probably has that past, which is like why 366 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 3: it comes across like very naturally for him. Yeah, not real, 367 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:36,719 Speaker 3: but like he just doesn't want it for the future. 368 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 3: He's probably just tired of it. I mean, because that 369 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 3: does get tiring. I was gonna say, and let's not 370 00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:42,640 Speaker 3: forget these people in their sixties. 371 00:19:42,720 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, like at some point you're like, I'm exhausted, I mean, 372 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:49,560 Speaker 2: like gotten too tired. One Yeah, that's I'm good for now. 373 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 2: The next day that we see Jordan still in Chicago, 374 00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:04,920 Speaker 2: Chicago's looking beautiful. 375 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:06,560 Speaker 4: It is a ton of fun. It's a great city 376 00:20:06,560 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 4: if you haven't been. 377 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 3: How nice for everybody to be able to do two 378 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 3: days in Chicago, hang out. 379 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:13,560 Speaker 4: For almost a full week in Chicago. 380 00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 3: What a dream, What a great time of year to 381 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:15,920 Speaker 3: be there. 382 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 4: It was awesome. 383 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,880 Speaker 2: Now Jordan has been the one out of all four 384 00:20:19,960 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 2: of these guys that I was like, hey, he seems great. 385 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 2: This isn't going to work. No, there is nothing here. 386 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:31,680 Speaker 3: Well, I feel very tied between him and and Guy. 387 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 3: I just feel like the two of them just both 388 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 3: like was like, let's just x them out. 389 00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, Jordan's family is super sweet. Not a ton to 390 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,359 Speaker 2: come from this date for me. Outside of his family 391 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,640 Speaker 2: being very sweet, his family also being very clear that 392 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 2: their dad is not is not somebody who expresses himself, 393 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 2: especially romantically, very easily or often. And I think we've 394 00:20:57,119 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 2: seen that this season. I think that's been very clear. 395 00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 3: He's never said I'm like in love with somebody since 396 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:07,359 Speaker 3: the mom It's been ten years, and I just I 397 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 3: actually just don't think that he felt it with her. 398 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:12,040 Speaker 3: I think that he was like, this is a really 399 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,120 Speaker 3: pretty nice lady, and I like hanging out with her, 400 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,119 Speaker 3: and if she wants to like hang out more, sounds 401 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 3: good to me. But I just because he didn't even 402 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 3: seem that disappointed when he got eliminated. 403 00:21:21,960 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I think he saw the writing on the wall. 404 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 2: I think he also has been around the house for 405 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 2: long enough to know that there's the Chalks of the 406 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 2: world who were very who are very invested. Yeah, and 407 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 2: he's like, I'm not close to being there in fact, 408 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:37,000 Speaker 2: I haven't really told her I like her yet. 409 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 4: We've had one date. 410 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,800 Speaker 2: Like, I'm good here and I'm not ready to make 411 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 2: these big leaps and bounds. But I think it was 412 00:21:47,280 --> 00:21:49,920 Speaker 2: is a great choice for the Top four because he's 413 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:54,159 Speaker 2: a good guy who's fun to be around. They enjoyed 414 00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 2: each other's company, and I think Joan was like, if 415 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,679 Speaker 2: it's anybody here at this point, this dude feels like 416 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,640 Speaker 2: one that I'd like to hang out with for another day. 417 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a good date. 418 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:09,120 Speaker 3: Let me just say that. I feel like the timeframe 419 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:13,199 Speaker 3: with Golden really kicks in at Hometowns because it's a 420 00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 3: couple of weeks shorter filming. It's weird to be bringing 421 00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,840 Speaker 3: these guys home after such little time with them. I 422 00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 3: feel like, do. 423 00:22:22,080 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 4: You I do? 424 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,199 Speaker 2: I mean, I honestly would argue that hometowns could be 425 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:27,960 Speaker 2: early in the season on every season. 426 00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 3: I almost feel like we okay, all right, Well. 427 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,560 Speaker 2: Just because I think it's so valuable, it's so important. 428 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 2: They're fun, they're unique, and you get a picture of 429 00:22:40,119 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 2: each other's lives, and I think for me, at least, 430 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,879 Speaker 2: hometowns have always been at place where you learn so 431 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 2: much more in such a short amount of time about 432 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 2: that human that I would argue hometowns, if it was 433 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:56,040 Speaker 2: logistically possible, could exist within the first couple, like first 434 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 2: month of the show, just so you can be like, yeah. 435 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 4: You know what, I don't really like that. Family freaks 436 00:23:01,359 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 4: me out. 437 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 3: You know, maybe you're right because when I when Jared 438 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 3: and I were just off the first Paradise and I 439 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 3: kind of formed a hometown date for us and like 440 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 3: a whole bunch of other people from the show. But 441 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:19,720 Speaker 3: Jared came and slept over at my parents' house with 442 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 3: about eight other people from that season of Paradise, and 443 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 3: I really made it feel intentionally but nobody would know 444 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 3: that like a hometown And that's when his opinion of 445 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,800 Speaker 3: me like totally flipped. 446 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 4: Hears sneaky little you know. 447 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 3: I made sure that Jared's flight was the one of 448 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,639 Speaker 3: the last flights that would go out so that he 449 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 3: could watch football with my family. 450 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 4: You are wild, and it worked. 451 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:55,320 Speaker 2: You are wild, Uh, always up to something the Yeah, 452 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 2: So that would be my point is I don't think 453 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 2: this is weird. 454 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 4: I don't find it weird. 455 00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:03,040 Speaker 2: I think family can meet the person you're dating, especially 456 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:08,840 Speaker 2: within this environment, fairly quickly I've always found it a 457 00:24:08,880 --> 00:24:14,360 Speaker 2: fun date, and Chalk's date, though kind of like their 458 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 2: relationship was the heaviest of them all. It was heavy 459 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,400 Speaker 2: in the sense that, like at times, I was having 460 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 2: a hard time watching it because I was thinking, if 461 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 2: they don't end up together, and goodness gracious, now I 462 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:33,879 Speaker 2: hope they do. This is a very intimate day and 463 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 2: moment that all of these humans will have in their 464 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 2: memory forever. I want them together now. Because of the 465 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 2: celebration that they had, I thought it was beautiful. And 466 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 2: don't get me wrong, it was just heavy, and the 467 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 2: others were not heavy. Yeah, and heavy heavy for obvious reasons. Right, 468 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 2: he just lost his mom. That makes sense, Like, there's 469 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 2: no this isn't a bad thing. It just felt like 470 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 2: to me, if Joan was not telling the producers this 471 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:09,840 Speaker 2: is the guy, yeah, then this would have never happened 472 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,280 Speaker 2: this way, because there's no way they would have had 473 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 2: her pick up dirt and bury this tree in memory 474 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 2: of his late mother if she was going to break 475 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:22,240 Speaker 2: his heart. 476 00:25:22,320 --> 00:25:26,240 Speaker 3: Like the next week, you're so so right, good point. 477 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 3: She's definitely saying things behind the scenes. The most touching 478 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 3: moment for me during this was when he was talking 479 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 3: to Kathy's dad. So Kathy is Chuck's his girlfriend fiance 480 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 3: who passed away, and it says something about him that 481 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,040 Speaker 3: he has kept such in touch with her father that 482 00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,439 Speaker 3: he feels like a family member like that. It just 483 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:58,240 Speaker 3: because like in a way, it's kind of it's definitely 484 00:25:58,280 --> 00:26:04,200 Speaker 3: not weird, but it's interesting. Well it's because she passed, 485 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:12,000 Speaker 3: but to have like an in law there would just 486 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 3: not be typical. But I like it. I like it 487 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 3: a lot. 488 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:16,120 Speaker 4: I like it a lot. 489 00:26:16,160 --> 00:26:19,120 Speaker 2: I mean I would, I would think, and I think 490 00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 2: you'd agree with this, Ashley. But if something were to 491 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 2: happen to me, which Jessica's still home, she hasn't gone 492 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 2: to work yet. She can hear me say this. She's 493 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 2: already crying. I bet so if something were to happen 494 00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 2: to me, my hope and my prayer would be that 495 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 2: my parents would stay a part of her life, no 496 00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,640 Speaker 2: matter what chapter she moves on to next one. 497 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,760 Speaker 3: Because there's grandkids, yeah of course when yeah, but in 498 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 3: this case, he doesn't have grandkids with Kathy. 499 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, good point. 500 00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 2: But my hope would be that, you know, she would 501 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 2: keep them involved because it would mean a lot to them. 502 00:26:57,080 --> 00:26:59,000 Speaker 2: It just means a lot to me to have that 503 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,880 Speaker 2: piece of knowing that, you know, my parents are still 504 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 2: connected to a family, to a community of some kind, 505 00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,240 Speaker 2: that they can still feel love and have these moments together. 506 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 4: I think it's it. 507 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,479 Speaker 2: It says a lot about Chok and I have nothing 508 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:16,360 Speaker 2: but good things to say about this dude, because even 509 00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 2: when he talks to her, he's intentional, he is caring, 510 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 2: he is considerate. 511 00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 4: I think what I don't. 512 00:27:24,800 --> 00:27:27,280 Speaker 2: I want to be clear, everything we said earlier about 513 00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:29,919 Speaker 2: the Pascal Chalk comparison is not saying that Chok is 514 00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 2: not the right guy for her, nor is he a 515 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 2: bad guy at any level. It's just saying I think 516 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 2: Chok wants to marry this woman and it's ready for us, 517 00:27:39,600 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 2: and I don't know if she's ready for that. 518 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,439 Speaker 3: For the intensity, Yeah, we really like Chock. I really 519 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:47,720 Speaker 3: like this guy. I really like the relationship that he 520 00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,159 Speaker 3: has with this guy. And I love that he said, 521 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,520 Speaker 3: we're ready for you to be family if you want that. 522 00:27:55,400 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 2: Yes, it's sweet this and that was That's the point 523 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,360 Speaker 2: of this day to me, was it was so sweet 524 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:03,119 Speaker 2: the whole time. 525 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 4: All those other dates. 526 00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:08,120 Speaker 2: Though we're fairly lighthearted, we're fairly just like come check 527 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,240 Speaker 2: out my family, Come see where I live, Come celebrate 528 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,359 Speaker 2: the salon this. This felt like one of those days 529 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 2: that as a married couple, you know want you or 530 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 2: your partner are hurting and the other partner has to 531 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 2: step up and do this. The side of this, though, 532 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 2: that I would I would be shocked by. I don't 533 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:30,120 Speaker 2: know if Joan knew that they were going to have 534 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,679 Speaker 2: this much like kind of they were going to do 535 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 2: this celebration during the date. I think this probably got 536 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:41,400 Speaker 2: thrown on her. And if I was Joan, this would 537 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:42,640 Speaker 2: have been one of the moments that you get in 538 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 2: the car with the producers on the way back and 539 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:46,880 Speaker 2: you guys, and you're like, never again. You should have 540 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 2: told me that this was going to happen. You should 541 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 2: have prepped me for this. You should have warmed me. 542 00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:53,360 Speaker 2: And maybe they did. I don't know, but I know 543 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 2: in my experience there's moments where they throw you into 544 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, you're like, I have to 545 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 2: step up in a way that I was not expecting 546 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 2: to have to step up today. I'm not against doing it. 547 00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 2: It's not something you know, foreign to me. However, it 548 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:08,840 Speaker 2: would have been nice if you would have given me 549 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 2: a little bit of a heads up that hey, or 550 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 2: the whole family, like forty people are going to be here, yeah, 551 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 2: and I'm going to be you know, they're going to 552 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,120 Speaker 2: be celebrating his late mother. 553 00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,240 Speaker 3: I don't think that conversation happened because I think she 554 00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:22,840 Speaker 3: wanted to be part of it. I think she was 555 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:27,000 Speaker 3: ready for this because you can see how much differently 556 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 3: she feels with him than the others through their physical connection. 557 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,600 Speaker 3: You were talking about how we didn't think that she 558 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 3: was getting you know, real physical with any of these guys. 559 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,800 Speaker 3: She did. On those goodbye kisses with him, they were 560 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 3: making out. 561 00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:47,480 Speaker 2: Which is a marker of if you're into somebody or not. Yes, 562 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 2: the other side of this and Ashley, I could be 563 00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 2: just wrong. It felt like when she talked to the family, 564 00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 2: Chalk's family, he was the only one that she was like, 565 00:29:58,640 --> 00:29:59,880 Speaker 2: I am head over heels for this. 566 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 4: All the others she was like. 567 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,840 Speaker 2: I'm worried that maybe he's not as into me as 568 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 2: I am, you know, and all these things. There was 569 00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 2: always these concerns. Yeah, but it felt like with Chalk, 570 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 2: she sat down, I was like, I am head over 571 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 2: heels for this guy. Yeah, it felt like she was 572 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 2: trying to tell them during the hometown Hey, this is 573 00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 2: going to be the two of us at the end. 574 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 4: Are you ready for that? 575 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,600 Speaker 3: So Joan, there you go. The two paths that you 576 00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,440 Speaker 3: have are either fun and light or. 577 00:30:30,120 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 4: This which which is gonna be great, which is great too, 578 00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:36,240 Speaker 4: if you're ready for it. 579 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:38,040 Speaker 2: It's gonna be great. And I think he's gonna treat 580 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 2: you really well. That's this week's episode of The Golden Bachelorette. Obviously, 581 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 2: Jordan does go home as we mentioned earlier, and the 582 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,520 Speaker 2: rest of them are flying off to Tahiti for the 583 00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,520 Speaker 2: final few episodes of this amazing season that I think 584 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,800 Speaker 2: has been absolutely incredible. I am intrigued, I'm excited, and 585 00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 2: so until next week, I've been Ben, I've been Ashley. 586 00:30:59,240 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 3: Siya. 587 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:03,520 Speaker 1: Follow the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcasts on 588 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: iHeartRadio or subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts.