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Speaker 1: Brian Broadens, Taylor Stern, and Rob Phillips welcome everybody into
Speaker 1: the SWBC Mortgage Studio as we get ready for another
Speaker 1: Talking Cowboys edition, always joined by Nicky, Rob Brian right
Speaker 1: here in Dallas, Texas. I don't know if you can
Speaker 1: call it Dallas because we're technically in Frisco, but we're
Speaker 1: in North Texas, North Texas, and not only is it
Speaker 1: the home of the Dallas Cowboys, it's going to be
Speaker 1: the home of the twenty eighteen NFL Draft, because you
Speaker 1: can't have a casual Wednesday around here these days. Not
Speaker 1: only are the Dallas Cowboys preparing for the forty nine ers,
Speaker 1: which we'll get into, Azukiel Elliott available for this week
Speaker 1: after the tro was granted yesterday, so we'll get all
Speaker 1: into that. But we got to talk about the NFL
Speaker 1: Draft coming down here, and a lot of people think
Speaker 1: it has to do with the original eighty eight having
Speaker 1: such a great performance in Philadelphia and making it more
Speaker 1: of a stadium event now than just a theater. So
Speaker 1: What do you guys think of this breaking news? I
Speaker 1: thought it was expected. I thought all along they were
Speaker 1: going to get the draft this year. I think they
Speaker 1: thought all along they were going to get the draft.
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people thought, oh, it's going
Speaker 1: back to Philadelphia, But I kind of like the NFL's
Speaker 1: idea of moving it around and not get stuck in
Speaker 1: the same place. You got to bring your game to
Speaker 1: different parts of the country. You know, it's been on
Speaker 1: the East coast forever. It went to the Midwest, and
Speaker 1: I don't know what you considered Texas, south, Southwest, southwest, whatever,
Speaker 1: and then I bet next year it goes to La somewhere. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So I think that's good. It gives everybody in the
Speaker 1: country an opportunity to do this, and you know, it'll
Speaker 1: be interested to see how they set it up at
Speaker 1: at and T Stadium. You know, they keep talking about
Speaker 1: they had two hundred and twenty thousand people in Philadelphia
Speaker 1: because it was outdoors on the streets. Sure, same thing
Speaker 1: in Chicago. Now if you have it at at and
Speaker 1: T Stadium, it's kind of in a confined space. So
Speaker 1: I don't know if you could put two hundred thousand
Speaker 1: people there but you certainly can put one hundred thousand
Speaker 1: in the stadium to keep an eye on it. Absolutely
Speaker 1: bring up a good point, Mickey, how they're going to
Speaker 1: set it up? We In our press release we received today,
Speaker 1: it says the draft site will encompass the field, the stands,
Speaker 1: outdoor plazas, and creating an all encompassing atmosphere and enabling
Speaker 1: more fans than ever before to watch their favorite team selection. Guys.
Speaker 1: You guys have seen super Bowls hosted here. Final Four's
Speaker 1: major sporting events, most recently the College Football Playoff national Championship.
Speaker 1: They do it big here in Texas. Yeah, they will.
Speaker 1: And you know that's the great thing that's you know,
Speaker 1: the mini is the draft has becomes huge, and it's
Speaker 1: it's the it's the three nights of all hope. You know,
Speaker 1: you hope that your team can get better. And so
Speaker 1: no better venue than to give hope than to come
Speaker 1: to a T and T and see if your team,
Speaker 1: in fact, can can put three quality days together and
Speaker 1: maybe make your fortunes better or you know, in some cases,
Speaker 1: some teams that have success drafting make them even better.
Speaker 1: So I'm excited about it, I really really am. I
Speaker 1: love the draft. I'm one of these guys that said
Speaker 1: this would be a great job if we didn't have
Speaker 1: to play games. I'd love this if it would just
Speaker 1: we could just draft all the time. That would be
Speaker 1: my favorite thing. Just evaluate players and work on the draft.
Speaker 1: That's what I would absolutely love to do. We got
Speaker 1: a draft show plan now, well, actually Derek and I
Speaker 1: were talking about it. Yeah, we were talking about it
Speaker 1: what we were going to do. And we're actually gonna
Speaker 1: stick here in the SWBC Morgage studios, So yeah, we're
Speaker 1: access to the players is the coaches. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't think we could replicate what we did last year
Speaker 1: if we were at A and T. I love the
Speaker 1: venue there and all that, but the fact that we
Speaker 1: had Joe Baker in here when we were talking about
Speaker 1: picking players and he was gone on and you know,
Speaker 1: that's nice to have that all over there. But you
Speaker 1: could have some calling guests who are over there. Definitely,
Speaker 1: you got to have people in the studio. That's what
Speaker 1: makes it cool. Yeah, and the action still you know,
Speaker 1: the war room is here. Yeah, so you're still right
Speaker 1: down the hall from yeah, you know where Jerry and
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm in the middle of it. Here. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I want you tay. I think I think Drew
Speaker 1: Pearson needs to be like the co master of ceremonies
Speaker 1: along with Roger Gidell. What I mean, that was the
Speaker 1: greatest rant I've ever heard my life at the draft last.
Speaker 1: Do you guys remember two weeks ago when we were
Speaker 1: talking about what Drew Pearson said about the draft and
Speaker 1: how he said it was so neat that they've been
Speaker 1: bringing back these legendary players to talk about it. Now
Speaker 1: we might be able to put a camera in that
Speaker 1: green room and really see what's going on back there.
Speaker 1: They might not like that, but maybe we'll play in
Speaker 1: something you could host it. So do you think they'll
Speaker 1: You know, the previous places where they actually had the
Speaker 1: draft was in a confined a are you right? And
Speaker 1: then you had all the people outside, right, They've got
Speaker 1: an opportunity to have one hundred thousand people watch indoors
Speaker 1: what's going on they do on the field, where the
Speaker 1: team's representatives are and where the stage is right right.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's what's going to happen, but
Speaker 1: that's definitely what seemed to be the attraction that now
Speaker 1: you're just not watching it on a big screen out
Speaker 1: in Grant Park in Chicago, well, or in the street
Speaker 1: at the Museum in Philadelphia. You're actually in the room
Speaker 1: where they're drafting. Yeah. Yeah, you can open those doors too.
Speaker 1: You can open that. You can open the roof, be open,
Speaker 1: you open the roof, you open the stadium. You can
Speaker 1: do everything you want. Yeah, and you can. You can
Speaker 1: make access from that, you know, from I guess from
Speaker 1: your middle of light area in through the stadium and
Speaker 1: the concourse and the stands and stuff. And you put
Speaker 1: the third put the thirty two teams on the floor right,
Speaker 1: that's when I'm and line them all up. Have your
Speaker 1: stage there, have your walk in, have everything you need
Speaker 1: right there. Yeah. I'm sure there'll be a lot of
Speaker 1: things built in add it in, but it is. It's
Speaker 1: a great venue to host something like this potentially, because
Speaker 1: like you say, you can open it. You know, it's
Speaker 1: unique to a stadium. You can open it wide open
Speaker 1: to have the fans the access in and out of
Speaker 1: what you want to do. They'll now be hosting a
Speaker 1: fashion show there now too, because the players don't just
Speaker 1: wear regular suits when they're going to the draft. No,
Speaker 1: it's all about the fashion statements to be made, so
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a spectacle. I can't wait to see.
Speaker 1: It's the perfect venue for this, because we talked about
Speaker 1: it right before we went on the air. The Draft
Speaker 1: is bigger than ever. It used to be a little
Speaker 1: two day deal. You knock it out over the weekend.
Speaker 1: It's basically, you know, teams huddling together and there's limited
Speaker 1: fan access now use for phillyback in the back in
Speaker 1: the day, eagle Man. But yeah, this is a national spectacle.
Speaker 1: Three days. Oh yeah, it's the Three Days of Hope
Speaker 1: is what it is. So moving around is perfect. But
Speaker 1: I would just keep it here every year. I don't
Speaker 1: think you can capture the spectacle, like you said, Tay
Speaker 1: better than this. And if you think about it, when
Speaker 1: they when they, I mean they had the thing in
Speaker 1: New York would let people in Radio City Music Hall,
Speaker 1: but it was only a few people that could go up.
Speaker 1: A thousand people in the up and that was it.
Speaker 1: Now you could have one hundred thousand people actually watching
Speaker 1: it and you have the big screen up there. Took
Speaker 1: you sdatron, Yeah, yeah, you have the screen up there.
Speaker 1: You know what, as much as I love the Draft
Speaker 1: being here, you know what, one place I'd like to
Speaker 1: see it in Canada. No, okay, closet though, Canton, Ohio. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd love to see the drafting. Can'ton Ohio. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: the future of the football starts here. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I think I read where there was some thought, Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I like, what are we coming up on one hundred
Speaker 1: years the anniversary the yeah, the hundred years of the
Speaker 1: end of the next year or the year, next raft,
Speaker 1: next season, next season. Yeah, they're they're pouring money into
Speaker 1: a renovation of that, right, I bet when finish it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: so maybe down the road. It's a great idea. I
Speaker 1: love the venue here. I think it's I think it's
Speaker 1: a wonderful setting. And I'm not just saying that because
Speaker 1: I'm from Dallas and I love the draft, and I
Speaker 1: think that everybody. You know, it's a centrally located thing too.
Speaker 1: If you're from east coast, West coast, Dallas being a
Speaker 1: centrally located city, you can fly from the West coast,
Speaker 1: you can fly from up north. You can come and
Speaker 1: see your team draft, And I think that experience itself
Speaker 1: is cool. But I'm looking forward to the day that
Speaker 1: the NFL has the draft and can't Ohio. Now I
Speaker 1: really am. That's a great point. And in a day's
Speaker 1: drive you can drive here. Absolutely, Atlanta, it's great, great
Speaker 1: venue here, great venue. Well, Lewis doesn't count anymore, does it.
Speaker 1: You're talking about drives. The infamous shot that everyone usually
Speaker 1: sees from the Cowboys over draft weekend is the first
Speaker 1: round pick player getting off of the Cowboys bus. Now
Speaker 1: will it be this night this year? Because he'll just
Speaker 1: be down the road. Maybe he'll be flying in on
Speaker 1: the helicopter. Yeah, there you go. That's how Jerry drafted
Speaker 1: back and forth. Well, help us out exactly. Should get
Speaker 1: that interview right away, say our press conference at night
Speaker 1: might not just be coach Garrett, Stephen Jones and Jerry Jones.
Speaker 1: It might include the first round draft pick immediately and
Speaker 1: to say, hey, you know, this season, we don't know
Speaker 1: how it's gonna go or how it's gonna end. So
Speaker 1: many unknown lyne here, but I think it will make
Speaker 1: a difference in the excitement around Dallas if their pick
Speaker 1: is high or low. So as far as would draft.
Speaker 1: If you think they'll have to strap Jerry into the
Speaker 1: seat in the war rooms and so you have to
Speaker 1: stay here so he doesn't go out to the stadium
Speaker 1: and be the Grand Marshal. Maybe move the war room
Speaker 1: to the stadium, a beautiful war room. I know they do,
Speaker 1: but you gotta put Jerry in the middle of it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Derek and I were talking about this. This is business. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know it. Derek and I were talking about this.
Speaker 1: I mean, and like he's saying, what do you think?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, hey, you know, I think we have
Speaker 1: a beautiful studio. We had a good draft here with
Speaker 1: it the coverage and all we have the partners with
Speaker 1: one oh five three. I know Mickey's part of that
Speaker 1: as well. So yeah, I'm sure there'll be a lot
Speaker 1: of bells and whistles, but we're gonna stay with what's
Speaker 1: tried and true and kind of hanging there and do
Speaker 1: what we need to do well. Two years ago, the
Speaker 1: Cowboys did have a high draft pick and they drafted
Speaker 1: Ezekie Elliott number four overall. Yeah, and he had an
Speaker 1: amazing rookie season. And now we're here where we're here,
Speaker 1: and everyone knows where we're here. But let's get into
Speaker 1: the legality of everything. Yesterday, the Southern Region Court of
Speaker 1: New York District, Southern District of New York Court ruled
Speaker 1: in favor of A zig Elliott for his temporary restraining
Speaker 1: order to make him eligible for at least for the
Speaker 1: next two weeks, requesting in October thirtieth hearing to further
Speaker 1: advance this process. So guys, get into it. He was
Speaker 1: not allowed to be here yesterday at the Star in
Speaker 1: Frisco due to this suspension still being upheld. But now
Speaker 1: today he will be Is you saw him at practice? Yes,
Speaker 1: he is there. He's there there, so shaking everybody's hands.
Speaker 1: So let's get into it, Rob lawyer man, what is this?
Speaker 1: Lawyer man? Yeah, so it sounds like October thirtieth. That's
Speaker 1: how long this thing lasts, this tro o and there
Speaker 1: will be another hearing. The udge who would rule on this,
Speaker 1: her name is Judge Catherine Poke Faila. She's on vacation
Speaker 1: right now. So what this other judge did Essentially, Okay,
Speaker 1: go ahead, grant the TIRO that buys some time until
Speaker 1: she's back, have another hearing because the NFLPA is also
Speaker 1: a petitioned for another injunction that would be a longer
Speaker 1: term stay of the suspension and keep Zeke on the
Speaker 1: field again for the foreseeable future. So what we know
Speaker 1: for sure is that he can play practice and play
Speaker 1: this week against forty nine Ers October thirtieth, I believe
Speaker 1: is the next game against Washington, So that that's a
Speaker 1: little unclear. It's got a chance, he got a chance.
Speaker 1: We know this week he'll be on the field. After that,
Speaker 1: we're not sure. But I thought Daniel Wallack, who's been
Speaker 1: on top of this, you know, from the very beginning,
Speaker 1: a sports and gaming attorney who's been on Twitter, very
Speaker 1: active on Twitter. He was on Cowboys Break this morning,
Speaker 1: and I thought it was interesting what he said. It's
Speaker 1: good information that even if this deadline passes and the
Speaker 1: tr expires, all the pasadute is file for an extension
Speaker 1: of it. If this judge is still on vacation, So
Speaker 1: this thing could last, you know, at least a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks, and then and then if he gets an injunction,
Speaker 1: who knows how long he's able to play. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, we talked about the show yesterday. We don't
Speaker 1: really know. This might be the end for him. He
Speaker 1: might have to take the suspension. Now it looks like
Speaker 1: possibly he might continue to play a lot more games.
Speaker 1: We'll see. Well, I think it raises the significant possibility
Speaker 1: that at some point this thing's going to go to
Speaker 1: court to hear the lawsuit to challenge the validity of
Speaker 1: the arbitration. And this was just the next step. I thought,
Speaker 1: what Wallack said yesterday talking about judge failure, she is
Speaker 1: not likely disagree with Paul Crotty because he's the senior
Speaker 1: judge on that in that district. Yes, so he's saying, yeah,
Speaker 1: she's probably gonna say, okay, go ahead. Uh. I thought
Speaker 1: to try to simplify this as best I can. Okay,
Speaker 1: there were two key points I thought in the whole thing.
Speaker 1: The first one was the NFL's arguing that the league
Speaker 1: can suffer irreparable harm if the if the suspension doesn't
Speaker 1: start immediately. Yeah, the NFL saying no, you're not going
Speaker 1: to hurt anything, and Asia Player Association Yeah. And so
Speaker 1: what it came down to, uh, he Karate basically wrote
Speaker 1: this U. He said, the NFL can impose the suspension
Speaker 1: over Elliott at a later time if the defendant's counterclaim
Speaker 1: for vacator is denied, meaning you can't go to trial,
Speaker 1: then you can start the suspension. In contrast, without a
Speaker 1: t ro, mister Elliott stands to suffer significant harm to
Speaker 1: his career and reputation that can't be monetarily compensated, should
Speaker 1: defend it when the counter claim for vacator on balance,
Speaker 1: the defendants harpship substantially outweighs the plaintiffs. So basically what
Speaker 1: he's saying is Zeke, Zeke can suffer irreparable harm if
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a tro to see if they're going
Speaker 1: to allow this lawsuit, the league is not gonna suffer anything.
Speaker 1: And the judge points out in the Brady case that
Speaker 1: basically he went through the whole season and it was
Speaker 1: no hardship to the NFL because they can still suspend
Speaker 1: him the next year as they did, right. So basically
Speaker 1: that was the point that the NFL is trying to
Speaker 1: act like they're going to be harmed if he's not
Speaker 1: immediately suspended. Well, and they know better. And I told him,
Speaker 1: I said earlier, Brian. Sorry, the PA turned this back
Speaker 1: on them recently and said, well, hey, you let him
Speaker 1: play Week one even with this hanging over his head,
Speaker 1: then you didn't suffer repartable harm then, right, So exactly
Speaker 1: that's been a PA argument at that and and Brady.
Speaker 1: So the other point was the inherent fairness in the arbitration.
Speaker 1: This is and this is the point. And the NFL saying, well,
Speaker 1: you know, we established this in the Brady case, that
Speaker 1: you can't argue an arbitration and this guy said, oh
Speaker 1: hold on there, yes, not so fast. And his deal
Speaker 1: was when when they brought that up, find my right paper,
Speaker 1: Well I got it because this is what he wrote
Speaker 1: when they basically said, Brady basically says you cannot do this.
Speaker 1: That's what the court said, and he wrote that is wrong.
Speaker 1: Brady two acknowledged the Second Circuit has never held that
Speaker 1: the requirement of fundamental fairness f fundamental fairness applies to
Speaker 1: arbitration awards under the Labor Relations Act. Brady two, however,
Speaker 1: did not hold that court cannot review arbital decisions for
Speaker 1: fundamental fairness. Brady two did not decide that issue. We
Speaker 1: need not decide whether the free floating procedural fairness standard
Speaker 1: of the Labor Relation Act ought to be imported to
Speaker 1: review all arbitration conducts. So basically, what they're saying, just
Speaker 1: because it was okay for the Brady case doesn't mean
Speaker 1: that's the precedent that every arbitration case has to face.
Speaker 1: Because we can't do anything. And so basically they're saying,
Speaker 1: there's three judges now that have said when I look
Speaker 1: at the arbitration, fundamental fairness did not occur. Yeah, and mers,
Speaker 1: Graves and Krate all decided, and that's where this is.
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be in favor of Zeke. This
Speaker 1: is all about fundamental fairness, and if Zeke wins this case,
Speaker 1: this is going to be the the the standard in
Speaker 1: which other domestic violence cases are looked at by the league.
Speaker 1: This is important. This is more than important about being
Speaker 1: six games suspension and Ezekiel Eliott. The league is fighting
Speaker 1: this right now because if they in fact lose this case,
Speaker 1: Ezekiel Eliott's case will be that standard I talked about,
Speaker 1: and there will also be some revision of what the
Speaker 1: Brady case was in that way, and you know, and
Speaker 1: that's that's now important to the league. It's it's not
Speaker 1: about Ezekiel Eliott anymore. It's about He's about going forward.
Speaker 1: It's about going forward. This is not going to be
Speaker 1: the last case. Well, no, because you know I brought
Speaker 1: it up yesterday, the Jarvis Landry case. Someone had brought
Speaker 1: it up to my attention that it sounded very similar
Speaker 1: to the Ezekiel Elliott one. So I did some research
Speaker 1: on it and I do want to look just to
Speaker 1: be clear. But Jarvis Landry him himself that it was
Speaker 1: bad grammar. But you know, I'm so confused right now,
Speaker 1: he was under investigator for domestic violence after he was
Speaker 1: accusative pushing his girlfriend, and he was found innocent in
Speaker 1: the courts. Right, He's still under investigation for the NFL
Speaker 1: by the league, right by the league. So you're right.
Speaker 1: It didn't go to court though, did it. No, it
Speaker 1: just got what innocent? They just didn't get tried, right
Speaker 1: All I'm saying, I'm sorry for the bad technicality. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying that he's not being prosecuted. Yes, So the
Speaker 1: fact of the matter is brand You're right, this is
Speaker 1: going to affect his case. This is going to affect
Speaker 1: so many others man. Yeah, this is this is this
Speaker 1: is why the league is fighting because again you've got
Speaker 1: three judges that have lined up and the fourth judge
Speaker 1: she's got a shot to really put this thing to bed.
Speaker 1: And if she does that, then again the league now
Speaker 1: is in trouble because they have president now of a
Speaker 1: case and every domestic violence case can go forward because
Speaker 1: of fundamental fairness. Was zeke was Ezekiel allowed out fundamental
Speaker 1: fairness or is he allowed of fair fairness in hearing
Speaker 1: his case? You know. And now it's about the accusers,
Speaker 1: you know, having to make the accusers as witnesses, bringing
Speaker 1: them forward and all that. That could send a whole
Speaker 1: lot of other other problems that you might not get
Speaker 1: people to step forward and want to go through all that.
Speaker 1: So this is this is a very very important case. Again,
Speaker 1: I think it's bigger than the six Games it was.
Speaker 1: We're we focused on that for the future. It's for
Speaker 1: the future of what they want to do as far
Speaker 1: as proceed going forward. If other cases like this become
Speaker 1: a part of the of what we've seen with the
Speaker 1: you know, with and what Walla tweeted out this morning
Speaker 1: was basically that, yeah, that what's at at stake here
Speaker 1: is ongoing domestic violence. Yes, because the NFL does not
Speaker 1: have the jurisdiction uh to subpoena the accus us, right,
Speaker 1: and if the judges are saying you, well, you should
Speaker 1: have to fight, then they've got a problem. And guess
Speaker 1: what to me? If that occurs, then basically the courts
Speaker 1: are saying, hey, NFL, stay in your lane. You're trying
Speaker 1: to do something you don't shab purisdictional ability to adjudicate. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: you're trying to do more than what the court system's doing.
Speaker 1: That's right now. You can figure out if the ball's
Speaker 1: deflated right and enough air in that ball, or this
Speaker 1: guy has been suspended or kicked out of the game
Speaker 1: for illegal hits, you can have arbitration on that. But
Speaker 1: what you're trying to arbitrate now is basically a legal thing,
Speaker 1: and you don't have the ability to be able to
Speaker 1: do it. Right there you go, So to me, that's
Speaker 1: what's at stake right now. Absolutely, because you can't keep
Speaker 1: doing this. They should have never got into the business
Speaker 1: of trying to do what the courts judge and jury. Yes,
Speaker 1: you can't do that. They don't have the they don't
Speaker 1: have the power, and they don't have the ability and
Speaker 1: the investigative people that people in the legal system have
Speaker 1: to look at these cases. Take a deep breath. We're
Speaker 1: going to get through this well. Dicky's two minute, Mickey's
Speaker 1: two minute. Well, let's stay absolutely run a minute, quick
Speaker 1: little break here in the STWBC mortgage studio. We'll be
Speaker 1: right back. We'll get more into Ezekie Elliott and we've
Speaker 1: got to get into the forty nine or so. Stay tuned.
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Speaker 1: you're watching this. I got my Santa Claus can be
Speaker 1: wearing those yep, yep. Those giants weeks very neat, so
Speaker 1: so you know, we just got into everything. A zek yell.
Speaker 1: If your guys' brains are hurting, join the club because
Speaker 1: this has been a roller coaster. I think Mickey has
Speaker 1: killed about five hundred trees trying to understand it all.
Speaker 1: And I don't blame you because there's so much to
Speaker 1: digest in this situation. Now, now you have to ask
Speaker 1: a twenty two year old to focus on football, and
Speaker 1: I think you know a lot of people it's very
Speaker 1: easy to say, well, once you get on the field,
Speaker 1: that's easy. But you know there are different things that
Speaker 1: are going around that are affecting this team because of this,
Speaker 1: and you know, brand that's what you've talked about as
Speaker 1: far as you know, you're different, not necessarily argument, but
Speaker 1: stance on taking the suspension because sure, I mean, and
Speaker 1: I'll just throw this out there, do you guys think
Speaker 1: that Dak and Ezekiel Elliott are seen together as much
Speaker 1: as they wore last season? And I'm not saying outside
Speaker 1: of here, you know, are they able to associate as much.
Speaker 1: How is this being handled? How is this affecting the
Speaker 1: locker room? It's hard? Yeah, I would speak more to
Speaker 1: Zeke's perspective, Like you just said, Tay, what how tough
Speaker 1: is it for him to be sitting at home yesterday
Speaker 1: while the team is meeting and going through walkthrough and
Speaker 1: all that, and not knowing what your situation is and
Speaker 1: then have to turn around and switch gears and say,
Speaker 1: all right, I'm playing this week. I wonder if after
Speaker 1: a while that takes a mental toll. Now, he probably
Speaker 1: would say otherwise, and I can't get in his head,
Speaker 1: but I mean he's a professional, yeah, and you know,
Speaker 1: Garrett has given him a lot of credit for the
Speaker 1: approach hasn't changed. But I just wonder after a while
Speaker 1: if it's just like it just kind of wears on
Speaker 1: you a little bit. Yeah. Well, Garrett's message today was
Speaker 1: control what you can control, and I think that's true,
Speaker 1: especially here. You know, they really don't have power to
Speaker 1: do much. They're just kind of at them or see
Speaker 1: of whatever happens week by week. But you know this,
Speaker 1: I mean, if I'm Darren McFadden, it's like am I
Speaker 1: playing this week? Are you playing? This week. Who's here?
Speaker 1: You know, is he even allowed to be here. It's
Speaker 1: more of a taxing strain than I think people are
Speaker 1: really focusing on because you know, make it. You're right
Speaker 1: if it does get pushed back, and just like the
Speaker 1: Tom Brady case, and that can get handled in the
Speaker 1: off season, that makes a huge difference the entire team, right,
Speaker 1: you know, if that can be handled in the off
Speaker 1: season compared to right now, huge difference now yet to
Speaker 1: be seen. But he will be playing this week, will
Speaker 1: travel on the road to San Francisco. So I think
Speaker 1: the benefit is he didn't miss a practice, because we
Speaker 1: talked about that yesterday. If he'd missed a week of
Speaker 1: practice and then he's all of a sudden he's eligible,
Speaker 1: then what do you do from a game planning standpoint,
Speaker 1: But to have him miss a meeting. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's that big a deal that they're getting into the
Speaker 1: meat of their preparation now. So that's good for this
Speaker 1: week anyway it is, So let's get into this week.
Speaker 1: Sean Lee back at practice a site for sore eyes
Speaker 1: after he's missed two games with the hamstring injury. We
Speaker 1: didn't get to see much, but what was at what
Speaker 1: were you guys able to see a little bit or
Speaker 1: think that he's going to get work in today? Your
Speaker 1: thought there, Oh, I think he goes right back to
Speaker 1: where he was doing and you know before practice he
Speaker 1: would work on the chords, make sure that hamstring was
Speaker 1: stretched out and warm, and it's time to go. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't think they really you know, he's like you said, Tay,
Speaker 1: he's missed a couple of games. They need him to
Speaker 1: they need him to come back. There's I mean, that's
Speaker 1: that's an understatement what I just said. But you know
Speaker 1: him and then also Hitchens. You know, I asked Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett thought in the walk off today about run defense.
Speaker 1: You know he says, Hey, it's just not one thing.
Speaker 1: You know, they talk about fits, they talk about you know, technique,
Speaker 1: they talk about, you know, playing assignments. There's so many
Speaker 1: things that have they have gone on in this run defense.
Speaker 1: And you know that's the great thing about the bye week.
Speaker 1: You're able to identify, you know, hey, are we coaching
Speaker 1: it the right way? Are we teaching it the right way?
Speaker 1: Are we are the players getting the message? Are they
Speaker 1: they are they doing what we are asking them to do.
Speaker 1: There's so many things when you're having those issues, you know,
Speaker 1: and and they realize. I mean, his answer to to
Speaker 1: us in the media was I thought was very good.
Speaker 1: He said, hey, you're not gonna light my answer, but
Speaker 1: I thought it was a good answer. You know, he's
Speaker 1: talking about all the things that you need to be
Speaker 1: good at and run defense, and they've struggled with that.
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's not just hey, the defensive tackles
Speaker 1: or the defensive ends, or the safeties or the linebackers.
Speaker 1: But having Sean Lee back with Anti Hitchens, you know,
Speaker 1: taking Jalen Smith out of the mix at least where
Speaker 1: he has to play a full time role, I think
Speaker 1: will help. But overall, you know, again it's gonna be
Speaker 1: about it's gonna be about assignments, it's gonna be about execution,
Speaker 1: and then you know, it's gonna be about finishing. And
Speaker 1: if they do all those things, we've seen them, Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett said this, we've seen we've played some good run
Speaker 1: defensive times. We've been able to coach that we show
Speaker 1: that we take that example and that hey, this is
Speaker 1: our teaching, this is how we do it. And you know,
Speaker 1: so the players have to not that they have to
Speaker 1: buy into that. They just have to do a better
Speaker 1: job of doing what they're what they've shown on film
Speaker 1: occasionally at times this year, and it'll help. And he,
Speaker 1: I mean, he just kind of glossed over it having
Speaker 1: Sean Lee on the field. Yeah, let's not minimize that
Speaker 1: or forget how much they missed him. You know, I
Speaker 1: was reading a article this morning on Carolina with Luke
Speaker 1: Keikley missing concussions. The veteran, the veteran safety that they
Speaker 1: just picked up from San Francisco, was it they like
Speaker 1: a ten twelve year veteran and he got He was
Speaker 1: talking about what Keekley on the field meant to the defense.
Speaker 1: How he goes when I got here, he goes. I
Speaker 1: went in the film room and I watched with him.
Speaker 1: I wanted to learn what he knows, because he knows everything,
Speaker 1: and he goes in. As much as I spent in there,
Speaker 1: I still got on the field and stad, god, how
Speaker 1: did he know that? Elzabetha? Yeah, yeah, yeah, uh And
Speaker 1: and he was and made me think that's Sean Lee, right,
Speaker 1: And they missed that. And they got a bunch of pups.
Speaker 1: They don't have a veteran safety there to you know,
Speaker 1: to kind of say, Okay, now I can see what's coming.
Speaker 1: And so I think a lot of that stuff that
Speaker 1: that maybe Jason was talking about, is you got a
Speaker 1: little guidance from your veteran linebacker might help you get
Speaker 1: in the right gap or you know, do the right
Speaker 1: thing where you're supposed to do it. I just think
Speaker 1: they missed him, and awfully, awfully, I'm not gonna say
Speaker 1: that's gonna settle everything because he obviously it's got against Denver.
Speaker 1: But I just think they've had so many moving parts
Speaker 1: in there, uh, that you finally got to get settled.
Speaker 1: And now it's like, okay, I think they're settled on
Speaker 1: Crawford plan right defensive end. Now it's like, okay, what
Speaker 1: do we do inside? We saw David Irving? Is he
Speaker 1: better there? We talked about it yesterday. Is he better there?
Speaker 1: Or is he better at the three technique? Alan's at
Speaker 1: the one? Um? You know that that's what they're gonna
Speaker 1: have to settle and then how they do their rotation inside? Yeah? Absolutely, Man,
Speaker 1: So much to talk about todayellis what's going on with
Speaker 1: Tyren Smith not practicing today? Not to worry though, Well,
Speaker 1: to me, there's concerned just that and I know to
Speaker 1: some degree they're being cautious with him and trying to
Speaker 1: rest him and make sure that back doesn't continue flaring up. Um.
Speaker 1: And you know, but he missed two games last year.
Speaker 1: I don't know how directly related it is to last year,
Speaker 1: but he missed some time in training camp. And just
Speaker 1: when you have a big guy with a back injury,
Speaker 1: it can be a chronic type deal. And so they've
Speaker 1: got to think about contingencies there. You got Chaz Green,
Speaker 1: you got Byron bell Um, but man, he's the key
Speaker 1: to that offensive line. In terms of the blindside, it
Speaker 1: sounds like it's got to be something they can't fix. Yes, right, absolutely,
Speaker 1: and and and it sort of reminded me of, you know,
Speaker 1: the end of And I'm not trying to compareegment, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm being careful. Yeah, Yeah, what Troy had at the end,
Speaker 1: basically they couldn't fix, you know, Charles Tapper, whatever he
Speaker 1: had they couldn't fix. That they can't fix. So it's
Speaker 1: something you have to manage. And I think that's what
Speaker 1: they're they're trying to do right now with him, to
Speaker 1: make sure that he's ready to play a game the
Speaker 1: best to his ability. Yeah, We've seen him take Wednesdays
Speaker 1: off me and even last year they started trying to
Speaker 1: manage things. I kind of thought when we saw the
Speaker 1: Green Bay week when they took him out, I'm thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is just a day. And then it turned into Wednesday, Thursday,
Speaker 1: and Friday. Then I was like, oh my gosh, this
Speaker 1: is not something that you just kind of say, oh,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be okay. But I believe Micky's right, and
Speaker 1: I with backs, you just don't know. You just don't
Speaker 1: know if he's gonna wake up, you know, one morning
Speaker 1: and say, man, I cannot you can't move, you know,
Speaker 1: And that's that's the problem that you're running into. You know,
Speaker 1: here's your all pro left tackle that you have to have.
Speaker 1: I mean, you have to have this guy. And so
Speaker 1: you know, they're gonna do everything they can to try
Speaker 1: and manage through the season. And if it means not
Speaker 1: practice and annoyed playing games, I mean, that's gonna be
Speaker 1: a rough way to go for him. I mean, he
Speaker 1: isn't an All Pro and he knows how to play
Speaker 1: in these games, and but practice is important to him
Speaker 1: as well. And you know, if he can't do that
Speaker 1: and just playing the games. Well, you know, they're gonna
Speaker 1: have to have somebody ready. They're gonna have to have
Speaker 1: whether it's Byron Bell or Chaz Green, somebody's gonna have
Speaker 1: to be ready at you know, just get as many
Speaker 1: reps as they can because you just don't know if
Speaker 1: if it's gonna make it through seventy five plays or
Speaker 1: you know, two three plays in, you're gonna be well,
Speaker 1: we have to go to the backup here. You've got
Speaker 1: You've got Cooper I think settled in it left guard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so that sounds like that's gonna be the deal. So
Speaker 1: the question is, yeah, I mean, is it better now
Speaker 1: for Chad's Okay, he can focus on being that swing
Speaker 1: tackle and that's the guy you go to if something
Speaker 1: happens with Tyrn. I don't. I don't know, because he
Speaker 1: played pretty well at left tackle in those two games
Speaker 1: last year and that's his natural position. Maybe it's a
Speaker 1: better way well against forty nine ers. Actually yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: it's a better fit for him. Um, but again, you
Speaker 1: still want to see continuity and improvement in that interior situation,
Speaker 1: that left guard. So maybe with some bye week, maybe
Speaker 1: maybe Cooper can take ownership of that spot. So do
Speaker 1: you think Tyron Smith's condition had something to do with
Speaker 1: them deciding that Jonathan Cooper is the left guard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm the more. Actually, you don't have to make two
Speaker 1: moves possibly to solve one problem. Yeah, that's that's one
Speaker 1: of those questions you need to bump into somebody in
Speaker 1: the hallway here at the Star and kind of ask
Speaker 1: and see if if if that's the case. I don't
Speaker 1: I don't discount what you're saying there. It's like, hey,
Speaker 1: you know Chaz Green. You know, I know they felt
Speaker 1: like that he was one of the best five, but
Speaker 1: now it's I feel like it's, well, maybe his best
Speaker 1: position is is tackle, and so now let's keep him
Speaker 1: fresh so if we need him. Now I'm again hearing things,
Speaker 1: seeing things, it looks like they're going to split time,
Speaker 1: I mean with Green and with with with Byron Bell
Speaker 1: at left tackle. So I don't think they're totally sold
Speaker 1: on saying, hey, it's Green's job if something happens, But
Speaker 1: you know, that's kind of where they're at right now. Man,
Speaker 1: did you guys think there would be this much uncertainty
Speaker 1: on the offensive line going into this season? I mean, yes,
Speaker 1: it you know, left guard and right tackle is pretty
Speaker 1: much cemented with Lyle Collins. But the uncertainty there's just
Speaker 1: kind of continued and perpetuated throughout the season. Well, the injury,
Speaker 1: the back concern has has hurt and you know, and
Speaker 1: Mickey's brought this up before and he said, hey, they
Speaker 1: just need to play better. And you know, what we
Speaker 1: didn't project was that some of the guys that you've
Speaker 1: that are all pro players maybe aren't playing their absolute
Speaker 1: best right now. That's where we're spoiled a little bit.
Speaker 1: I watched that game last to San Francisco game blocking
Speaker 1: was unbelievably good protection, you know, I mean they were
Speaker 1: running the football or big holes there, and so you're
Speaker 1: like thinking, man, where's that group? You know, But yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's Doug Free and it's Ron Leary, and it's
Speaker 1: you know, it's but the guys like your your center
Speaker 1: and your your right guard. You need them to play
Speaker 1: a little bit better. And you know that they're they're
Speaker 1: clearly capable of doing that, but they just haven't played
Speaker 1: very well as a group for the first five weeks
Speaker 1: this season. Yeah, well, before we get to our final
Speaker 1: break here in the SWUBC markets, you and let's go
Speaker 1: to the phone lines. We have our favorite friend of
Speaker 1: the show, Philip from France. Please forgive me for for
Speaker 1: my broken English at times, as usually I'm going to
Speaker 1: be a bit long too many the listeners I would
Speaker 1: be called for to me, I couldn't interact live the
Speaker 1: last week because of duty. Because of duty, but I
Speaker 1: try to cut up on all the shows on the website.
Speaker 1: I wish I'll be able to make the trip down
Speaker 1: and tell us to attend the draft and maybe meet you.
Speaker 1: Be sure, I'll come down with some of the finest
Speaker 1: book on book on your French wines to share with you.
Speaker 1: Sounds welcome, You're welcome anytime if you want to make
Speaker 1: that trip. You got a free pass to come to
Speaker 1: the Star now, yeah, thank you. Just one thing. The
Speaker 1: right pronunciation in French of the earring as it is
Speaker 1: in English is bone. The sea at the end is silent.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Philip, Yes, thank you. You're welcome. You're welcome.
Speaker 1: For the history, it's a reminiance of the way the
Speaker 1: so called guilty had to face his judges who were
Speaker 1: sticking on a bench on a platform only during the
Speaker 1: inclusion area. So I'm gonna runt a bit. Mickey he's
Speaker 1: played about about a play in the last forty nine game.
Speaker 1: What about the DPI on ground costs he where the
Speaker 1: Jets cornback got flagged for when the quarterback cornerback was
Speaker 1: just blanking him. And what about the blooded OPI where
Speaker 1: the that titan extending just his right arm and should
Speaker 1: have been called for for it and not getting flagged.
Speaker 1: Both plays are happening in the Jets end zone, the
Speaker 1: last one ling the scoring of the deciding Thready and Kitty.
Speaker 1: And see what's when Tom went pets Tom Pitty. Yes
Speaker 1: that rest no flags whatsoever. I can't take care of
Speaker 1: the whole I can't take there of the whole league.
Speaker 1: I can take care of what's gonna possibly affect the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of things that went wrong from
Speaker 1: my couch on Sunday. Yeah, okay, just just what what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Just in Europe, you know, when you play football,
Speaker 1: as soon as you start chelling at a ref on anything,
Speaker 1: you're out of the You're out of the game. I mean, okay,
Speaker 1: now that being said, Um about Zeke, what's the precious
Speaker 1: gift you you got in your life? It's your name?
Speaker 1: You want to pass it to the next generation as
Speaker 1: cleaner as you got it. Sure, but the team's T
Speaker 1: shirt says fight right, So I say, go fight zeke ye.
Speaker 1: I'm sure all owner, cut, staff members, players, all people
Speaker 1: involved in the getdization and fans are having his back.
Speaker 1: Go fight for your rights, for your own name and
Speaker 1: the right to pass it as clean as you got it. Now,
Speaker 1: I've got just two quick questions with all profoundly, and
Speaker 1: they say under estim underestimated and turning it is returning
Speaker 1: to the lineup. How do you envision the defense going forward? Second,
Speaker 1: I know it's early, but dress scudding already began. Okay,
Speaker 1: someone got you know it's it's very hard in France
Speaker 1: to follow college football. What are the best let's god
Speaker 1: prospect to watch that maybe that may be available for
Speaker 1: the Cowboys in next year's rap. Thanks for taking my cold,
Speaker 1: being so patient with me and sharing your thoughts. Have
Speaker 1: a great day, Go Cowboys, Go Tigers, and the teaser
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Speaker 1: that these Alma mater Bye bye bye, Philip, you're a lobo,
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Speaker 1: get to your poll questions, Rob, because that was a
Speaker 1: good one that can talk a lot about getting ready
Speaker 1: for this game this weekend. Because yeah, there's there's a
Speaker 1: football game the Cowboys will be playing on Sunday. There
Speaker 1: is football. Football's back. And I just picked four names,
Speaker 1: four names for the Cowboys post by that could have
Speaker 1: an impact for the Cowboys down the stretch. Here Cheeto,
Speaker 1: Bryce Butler, Jordan Lewis, Ryan Switzer. Which player do you
Speaker 1: think could have the biggest impact for the Cowboys after
Speaker 1: the buy would I have two on defense, one on
Speaker 1: offense and special team slash receiver? Guy? Who do you
Speaker 1: guys think? Wow? Switzer, Awoosier, Lewis fourth guy? I'm sorry
Speaker 1: Butler Butler, Yeah, h got a vote, anybody? Lewis Jordan
Speaker 1: Lewis wifty eight percent of the vote, followed by Bryce
Speaker 1: Butler at twenty percent. You wonder maybe could he be
Speaker 1: earning some more snaps offensively after the way he's played?
Speaker 1: So Switzer got really nothing. Then Woozier fourteen percent. Again
Speaker 1: he's been injured. Switzer eight percent. You know, he's a guy.
Speaker 1: How do you get him on the field unless you're
Speaker 1: taking Jason Witton off the field. And there is that
Speaker 1: so but punt returns fuel position. Switzer could cause people
Speaker 1: to punt maybe more often. There you go, that's about that.
Speaker 1: That's the trick, right, I'm telling you what if they
Speaker 1: off if they had if they had Switzer last year
Speaker 1: with the way the defense was playing, getting off the
Speaker 1: field on third downs and and you know, keeping people,
Speaker 1: you know, not giving up big plays and not getting
Speaker 1: gashed on the run. Ryan Switzer would be the guy
Speaker 1: that has fifty eight percent. I'm serious, he could be.
Speaker 1: You know, Okay, we got the fumble, you got the
Speaker 1: fumble punt, that's that happened. But I look back, look
Speaker 1: at the way that Arizona game win. You know, once
Speaker 1: Arizona had to start punting, you know, Chris Jones was punting,
Speaker 1: you know, punting Dallas out of trouble. But Switzer was
Speaker 1: making Arizona have to pay for their their bad punty.
Speaker 1: That twenty one yard return he had in the first
Speaker 1: half against Arizona's one of might be one of the
Speaker 1: biggest plays in the of the year if it turns out,
Speaker 1: because he finally got them in a short field, broke
Speaker 1: the ice. That offense couldn't get anything going in Arizona
Speaker 1: and it was a huge field position play for them. No,
Speaker 1: it absolutely was. And I felt like, though, with you know,
Speaker 1: only eight percent, there's that if if they if if
Speaker 1: Mickey is absolutely right, punt Moore and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: Ryan Switzer becomes a difference maker. And I guarantee this
Speaker 1: folks out there, oh yeah, broad at Sea's out there
Speaker 1: difference maker for you know, fumbling the ball and but
Speaker 1: no he he has that kind of ability to flip
Speaker 1: the field for you. I think it has something to
Speaker 1: do with the fact that offensively, he's probably not going
Speaker 1: to see many snaps. He's gotten some jet sweeps. They've
Speaker 1: tried to get him going in the running game, but
Speaker 1: as a receiver, you know there's only so many balls
Speaker 1: to go around. Well, if if you didn't have Ezekiel
Speaker 1: Elliott playing in this game, then it then it becomes okay,
Speaker 1: the running backs we all talked about and maybe adding
Speaker 1: some jet sweeps, tosses, whatever you want to do to
Speaker 1: Ryan Switzer to try and the kids is a dynamic
Speaker 1: player with the ball in his hands. Yeah, I'll tell
Speaker 1: you another one too. And it's a shame that a
Speaker 1: Woozier has been hurt. It's a shame because you watch
Speaker 1: him in the Green Bay game at safety. He looked
Speaker 1: pretty comfortable playing and that in that spot. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you watch him from the middle of the field run
Speaker 1: to get the outside to make a tack making time,
Speaker 1: you know that that's what you want to see. Lewis
Speaker 1: has been. Lewis is easy for me. Lewis is easy
Speaker 1: to see because you see him making plays, which is great,
Speaker 1: but Butler, you know, finishing some plays. Maybe you're right,
Speaker 1: maybe he does get some more work over what we've
Speaker 1: seen with Terrence Williams finishing plays. That's what he wants
Speaker 1: to keep doing. I forget how many yards plays of
Speaker 1: twenty plus yards he's gotten. But it's so important because
Speaker 1: it tries to back off for this running game. A
Speaker 1: little bit helps it helps it at a great deal.
Speaker 1: Mickey's got his pen out going to the stats. What
Speaker 1: are you looking at over there? Well? I didn't count
Speaker 1: up how many possessions they had, like drives, right, but
Speaker 1: I did count out the number of possessions that started
Speaker 1: at least at their own forty yard line. Six. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's got to be ten twenty thirty forty fifty eight
Speaker 1: drives at least, and only six were the forty or beyond. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean you're starting in the hole all the time.
Speaker 1: They are starting in the whole lot. And as a
Speaker 1: matter of fact, only one of those six occurred in
Speaker 1: the last two games. Here's the starting positions, uh in
Speaker 1: the Rams game twenty nineteen, twenty five, twenty five, fourteen,
Speaker 1: twenty five, twenty five, twenty one, twenty five, twenty five. Wow. Well,
Speaker 1: San Francisco has got a field position weapon too. Their
Speaker 1: punter's got the most puns inside the twenty in the
Speaker 1: NFL right now, Chris Jones more than Chris Jones. Well
Speaker 1: he's played one extra game. A yeah, exactly. I just
Speaker 1: think that to me that all those people that you
Speaker 1: named have a shot. I mean, they really do. That's
Speaker 1: a that's a great pole question because every you know,
Speaker 1: with the exception maybe a Woozier, you know, he's he's
Speaker 1: It's just it wasn't a full on pole. I mean
Speaker 1: they had fatigue, you know, and it tightened up on
Speaker 1: him and so it might as well been pulled because
Speaker 1: he's not not playing. But you know, he's another guy
Speaker 1: that's got some size to him that can cover. You know,
Speaker 1: he just can't get on the field or stay on
Speaker 1: the field. I think the answer to part that pole
Speaker 1: is who's going to get the opportunity to make a
Speaker 1: big difference? Yeah, and I think it's Jordan Lewis because
Speaker 1: we know he is on the Nickel defense right now.
Speaker 1: He does he's play there, playing so much Nickel lately,
Speaker 1: he's learned, he's earned his letter. Jackie's out there. Yeah. Uh,
Speaker 1: Bryce Butler's gonna split those snaps with Terence Williams the
Speaker 1: way they've been. Everybody says, well, can he get more? Well,
Speaker 1: he has gotten more, right there, they they're kind of
Speaker 1: splitting him. Yeah, But the punt return job is Switzers
Speaker 1: And if Cheeto can stay healthy, I think he can
Speaker 1: work his way into a rotation at safety with but whoever,
Speaker 1: but the punt returner, it's not all on him, right,
Speaker 1: It don't hold anybody up. He can't do anything that's fair,
Speaker 1: you know. And they haven't done a good job of
Speaker 1: blocking for him, no, So I mean he's not a
Speaker 1: magician out. Yeah. It just reminds me so much of
Speaker 1: when we had Desmond Howard returning punts in Green Bay
Speaker 1: that if you get a dynamic guy that can shows
Speaker 1: that he can bring the ball back twelve fifteen, seventeen
Speaker 1: yards every time, and you might break that occasional one,
Speaker 1: the blocking approve improves. Like the guy doesn't want to
Speaker 1: be the guy. Oh my god, I missed the block
Speaker 1: that you know, if we just got that one block,
Speaker 1: it would have been a touchdown. You don't want to
Speaker 1: be that guy sometimes, like the fumble I think really
Speaker 1: affected Switzer. And here I'm talking a lot about Switzer here,
Speaker 1: but I think the fumble really affected his Like, Okay,
Speaker 1: I've got secure. You know that aggressiveness that you want.
Speaker 1: You need to get him back being aggressive again. And
Speaker 1: the way you do that is you got to get
Speaker 1: him started. Get him started, get him started with the
Speaker 1: ball in his hands, instead of him having to sit
Speaker 1: there and look at the ball and look at two guys,
Speaker 1: avoid somebody on him and immediately have to avoid somebody. Right,
Speaker 1: Just give him a couple steps to he can find
Speaker 1: because he will see it. Yeah, but man, you gotta
Speaker 1: get him going. Yeah, what a great pole today, Rob,
Speaker 1: thanks to day. It's very good and just Dan's are
Speaker 1: really quickly. Brian Philly passed. You know where can people
Speaker 1: start their draft scouting? Yeah? They can't get a lot
Speaker 1: of Yeah. Dane Brugler was talking about there's a kid
Speaker 1: at Notre Dame and the name escapes me right now,
Speaker 1: left guard. There's a guard at Notre Dame. Yeah, a
Speaker 1: guard at Notre Dame that people are looking at as
Speaker 1: a high I don't think you know that. I think
Speaker 1: he was looking more for resources, like where he can go.
Speaker 1: Maybe Dane Brugler is the oh no, yeah, yeah, following
Speaker 1: Dane and all. That's good. I mean, you know, he's
Speaker 1: the one guy that talks about the draft every single
Speaker 1: day and then he and then he talks about players
Speaker 1: to watch and stuff like that. But yeah, but his
Speaker 1: left guard is evidently from name it. I can't remember
Speaker 1: the kid's name, but I know it was from Notre Dame.
Speaker 1: So maybe Philip can check out Notre dames roster left guard.
Speaker 1: They're not going to draft a true guard high. How
Speaker 1: do you know it ain't gonna happen? How do you
Speaker 1: know Zach Martin Martin. I've got twenty nine years of that,
Speaker 1: Zach Martin over Johnny Man. And that's why. Yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: they already did it once I think, And when was
Speaker 1: the other time they did it? First round? Guard was
Speaker 1: John nil in a first round? I don't know if
Speaker 1: he was first round, but yeah, that's that's going back.
Speaker 1: It's a second round maybe Larry Allen, right, but they
Speaker 1: saw that he was a Hall of Fame player. Robin
Speaker 1: Iard hockey before the podcast and we were saying, you know,
Speaker 1: it's a shame that there aren't players in college football
Speaker 1: right now that kind of have the effect of Johnny
Speaker 1: Manzil and the way that he was able to be
Speaker 1: bigger than college football because that draft, if that draft
Speaker 1: had been hosted here at AT and T, and Steven
Speaker 1: basically having to restrain Jerry was on the clock. I
Speaker 1: don't know if Jerry could have done it, because what
Speaker 1: Mickey just told you, They're gonna have to hold him
Speaker 1: back from even going down a tadium. Now you got
Speaker 1: a chance to draft John. Isn't that the chaisier draft? Though?
Speaker 1: Didn't they weren't the draft Chaser one or two pick? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Blackbird told me they had the card filled out. It
Speaker 1: was before. Yeah, they had Chaser's name on a card.
Speaker 1: It was done and r and they were getting ready
Speaker 1: to hand it in and and they took him and
Speaker 1: Robert had to go give me that back, which which
Speaker 1: debunked the story that they had to strap Jerry down
Speaker 1: from handing in a card to Man's el. We're watching
Speaker 1: it on the on the cam, sure war cam, and
Speaker 1: that wasn't the case. Even did tell me it's a
Speaker 1: wonderful fast draft that they were very interested in johnny
Speaker 1: Man's ane, but they weren't running up there with the
Speaker 1: card and had to Jerry sit out put that card away.
Speaker 1: The technicalities that Nicky lives out, but I know kind
Speaker 1: of brushed them on his way because he said that,
Speaker 1: you know, they're gonna have to hold back Jerry. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna physically watch Jerry in the war room. They should
Speaker 1: you learn a lot, see it. Make sure that we're
Speaker 1: looking at that you learn a lot. We got a
Speaker 1: Twitter question specifically aimed at you, Brian, but you guys
Speaker 1: answer too. What does Brian mean when he says a
Speaker 1: linebacker is quote unquote physical. Which of our linebackers are
Speaker 1: physical and which aren't? Yeah, Brian, Yeah, the physical linema
Speaker 1: like Sean Lee to me is a physical linebacker because
Speaker 1: what he But he's also a fast flow linebacker because
Speaker 1: how will the physicality of it is the tackling part,
Speaker 1: getting to the ball, getting off blocks. You know, you
Speaker 1: can't allow yourself as a linebacker to get blocked, especially
Speaker 1: in this scheme. So you know, I think if there's
Speaker 1: some some times that we've seen Jalen Smith be physical
Speaker 1: at the point of attack during during training camp and
Speaker 1: then some of the preseason games, you know, stepping up
Speaker 1: in the whole, be physical, take on a block, get
Speaker 1: rid of the block, and then make the play right there.
Speaker 1: In the hole, you know those You know, sometimes you
Speaker 1: get linebackers that will just run and don't want anything
Speaker 1: to do with any type of content. They just want
Speaker 1: to run to the ball and then you know, and
Speaker 1: be athletic enough to beat you to get there and
Speaker 1: make the play. But I think the linebackers, like I say,
Speaker 1: I don't necessarily think that. I'm trying to think of
Speaker 1: the linebackers that really don't well, dam Damien Wilson to me,
Speaker 1: doesn't really want to take you on. Even though he
Speaker 1: plays sam linebacker. He wants to run to the ball.
Speaker 1: That's his big thing. So you know, you look at
Speaker 1: guys like Jalen, you look at Wilburt, you know, guys
Speaker 1: that are willing to use their hands, play with their
Speaker 1: hands and then get That's that's what makes Sean Lee
Speaker 1: so good in the scheme is the fact that they
Speaker 1: got him at that will linebacker, that he's so quick
Speaker 1: too when they try to get him, he just he's
Speaker 1: just so grabb and go I mean, and instead of
Speaker 1: fighting and then having to reach to try and go
Speaker 1: make a play, physical physical jam, get off and then
Speaker 1: get to the football. You should have been able to
Speaker 1: answer that question. What about physical linebackers. Yeah. I just
Speaker 1: love it when fans just say this one's for Brian.
Speaker 1: You should you you grew that watching one, didn't you? Yeah,
Speaker 1: Brian or Locker for sure. There's there's your physical line.
Speaker 1: It's a physical linebacker. That's a that's a take on
Speaker 1: shed and then then get to the ball tackle finish
Speaker 1: his finest. I was gonna say Dick Buckers, but then
Speaker 1: it's Illinois. People don't know who Dick buccas is. Probably
Speaker 1: know is Oh Ray good old Ray was great in
Speaker 1: his day. What's up Ray? No? I think that's grad. See,
Speaker 1: they don't study the game, don't play for you? Who
Speaker 1: Rayny played for? Mony chance? Yeah, put me on the spot, Ran,
Speaker 1: I'm just gonna ask ask Rob to Rob green Bay,
Speaker 1: green Bay very good. I thought you were gonna watch
Speaker 1: the other day. I thought you were gonna guess. I
Speaker 1: really didn't think. I didn't mean to put but I
Speaker 1: thought you were just gonna guess. Yeah, Tommy John underwear
Speaker 1: the best that you guys can get right in here.
Speaker 1: Yea the greatest. But I mean nobus, I mean, let's
Speaker 1: just start naming all these Atlanta's over my head. The
Speaker 1: only thing I'm excited about is that story? Nine? There
Speaker 1: you go, and I'm not excited about this, but it's
Speaker 1: just it is what it is. Eric Armstead won't be
Speaker 1: playing for them as well. Yeah, pensive end. That's a
Speaker 1: big loss for them. Bone in his hand, Yeah, that
Speaker 1: is a big loss. Moving and I are yeah, he's
Speaker 1: officially moving. He's played very well. You watch the tape
Speaker 1: that that that San Francisco has and number ninety one
Speaker 1: there he has done a really good job, you know,
Speaker 1: with a scheme change and things like that. Though, but
Speaker 1: I really, uh man, I'll tell you why that's a
Speaker 1: tough one for them because you know that's that's one
Speaker 1: of those down linement, you know, that's the way it goes.
Speaker 1: He's back up. Aaron Lynch also hurt calf strain, So
Speaker 1: they're they're dealing with some struggling. They're not. It helps
Speaker 1: that you can just work Elvis Duomerville into the well too.
Speaker 1: I know that we're getting to the forty nine almost
Speaker 1: there at the very getting there of the show, and
Speaker 1: we're gonna have to stay tuned for more of that
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