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Speaker 1: I am your host, Rashan McDonald. I say this every

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Speaker 1: How do you start sliding those negatives, Tracy into a

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Speaker 1: Is that you're not here to be Uh, you're wrong,

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Speaker 1: hold up the mirror and you hold a space. It's

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Speaker 1: We know the interesting fun point because I used to

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Speaker 1: that doesn't mean people aren't gonna act outrageous at times.

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Speaker 1: Heritan is available on money Making Conversation dot com. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to Money Making Conversations with your host, Rashaan McDonald.

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Speaker 1: My next guest is Dr Tapatha car. Indeed, she's the

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Speaker 1: She's the founder of the vegan based Good Girl Chocolate,

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Speaker 1: a best selling author. After high school, let's talk about

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Speaker 1: all this and continue to battle high blood pressure and

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Speaker 1: and balances. Dr Tapatha decided not only to focus on

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Speaker 1: the grand recipient of Beyonce's Be Good Foundation. Our interviews

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Speaker 1: For the ever first time, I feel like I've known

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Speaker 1: that because we've had some technical glitches Dr Tabatha car Indeed,

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Speaker 1: how you doing? Good morning? Good morning, I am fantastic.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing well? I'm doing good. You know

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Speaker 1: some of your chocolate. So I was kind of like,

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Speaker 1: you know, one thing I've learned now, when you eat

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Speaker 1: So in between between certain sentences, I was just getting

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Speaker 1: And so I want to apologize to anybody going. Richard

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Speaker 1: I was enjoying Good Girl chocolate. That was all in

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Speaker 1: having a good time. I apologize. I apologize to everybody

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Speaker 1: I'm thrilled that you like it. Well, you know you,

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Speaker 1: It is. I started out making seventy percent dark chocolate,

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Speaker 1: And what I found is some people like a semi sweet,

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Speaker 1: woman's size. So I've been on the keto diet, the

637
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Speaker 1: cabbage soup diet, raw plant based, Pestcterian, everything you can

638
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Speaker 1: think of. So I actually wanted to create a chocolate

639
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Speaker 1: that would basically fit into everyone's healthy lifestyle. So what

640
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: it actually is is a plant based chocolate that supports

641
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Speaker 1: all healthy lifestyles. You can be vegan, you can be paleo,

642
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: you can be whole thirty. It's soy free, it's gluten

643
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Speaker 1: free for those who can't tolerate utan or or um celiacs.

644
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Speaker 1: It's story free, it's it's non GMO, it's uh made

645
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Speaker 1: with organic ingredients, it's single origin, fair trade, and it's

646
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Speaker 1: being too bar So this is about really spreading this

647
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Speaker 1: to everyone, not just vegans. Well, the thing about it

648
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Speaker 1: is that I'm gonna be honest with you. You know

649
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Speaker 1: when I talk about I'm a meat either, I'm a

650
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Speaker 1: buy who goes out there. I have fallen in with

651
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Speaker 1: products like Beyond Meat. I love, I love enjoy my

652
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Speaker 1: Beyond the Burger. Now they've got Beyond Me chicken. So

653
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Speaker 1: I'm excited. About trying that out, but then we talk

654
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Speaker 1: about vegan and you talk about vegetarian. So you know,

655
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Speaker 1: I really want to get a clarification cause I ran

656
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Speaker 1: into a friend of mine and she went over to

657
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Speaker 1: JRS Barbecue and she said, well, I'm a I'm a

658
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Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a vegetarian. So what's the difference between

659
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Speaker 1: a vegan and a vegetarian or is there or is

660
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Speaker 1: there a difference there? There is a difference, And I

661
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Speaker 1: first want to start out by saying I identify with

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Speaker 1: being plant based. So a vegan is truly a person

663
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: who supports animals. I mean it's it's a movement. So

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Speaker 1: they don't eat anything as it relates to animal products.

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00:37:11,520 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 1: They don't wear anything as it too, um relates to

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Speaker 1: animal products. They are true animal activists. Um. They don't

667
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Speaker 1: even consume honey um because it's produced from bees, which

668
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: I don't use honey in my product as well, because

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Speaker 1: I want to make sure it's still supports that vegan lifestyle.

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00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:34,239
Speaker 1: A vegetarian is a non meat eater. However, they do

671
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Speaker 1: consume things like cheese. They do consume things um like eggs,

672
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Speaker 1: but vegans will not consume dairy. They will not consume eggs,

673
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Speaker 1: so there is a difference. And then there's a pescatarian um,

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Speaker 1: you know, and they eat fish. So there's so many

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Speaker 1: out there. But the good thing about Good Girl Chocolate

676
00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: is whichever one you fall in, whichever bucket you fall in,

677
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Speaker 1: you can enjoy Good Girl Chocolate because free of any

678
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,880
Speaker 1: animal products. Well, you know, interesting thing about your brand,

679
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: you know, I know we're talking about the Good Girl

680
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Speaker 1: Chocolate brand right now. But you as a person has

681
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:14,920
Speaker 1: always been about uplifting individuals, especially empowering female. You did

682
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Speaker 1: the book Believe in Seen with My Girl Kim Cole, actress,

683
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Speaker 1: Fame of Living Single, about the Open your Gifts g

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Speaker 1: I F T S twenty two lessons on finding and

685
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Speaker 1: Embracing your personal power. We find so much that is

686
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,040
Speaker 1: so much in the forefront of conversation, right, personal power,

687
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: uher leading with your gifts, leading with your passions. What

688
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:38,200
Speaker 1: what is the book about? Why did you feel the

689
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Speaker 1: need to do a book and then you did a

690
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Speaker 1: book with a did the book with a very very

691
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Speaker 1: funny actress named Kim Cole's So I I want to

692
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Speaker 1: know the basis of your whole structure of of empowering

693
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Speaker 1: people why is it so important to empower Because, like

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Speaker 1: you said, at the age of sixteen, you own blood

695
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Speaker 1: pressure pills, So right there, that means that you are

696
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Speaker 1: the pointed your life where you need to be empowered

697
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: both physically mentally. It had to be an understanding that

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Speaker 1: it was all right, you were beautiful as you are.

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Speaker 1: Nobody nobody needed to tell you how you look, to

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Speaker 1: be special and things like that. So talk about the

701
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Speaker 1: whole empowerment and embracing your personal personal power. I tell

702
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 1: you what this is actually the book right here. I

703
00:39:21,880 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 1: don't know if you can sit, but and it was.

704
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:28,600
Speaker 1: It was so important, And Kim is a dear, dear

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Speaker 1: friend of mine, and it was so important to write

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Speaker 1: this chapter because I know there are women out there

707
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Speaker 1: that are going through the same things that I went through.

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Speaker 1: And the name of my chapter is about triumph. And

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Speaker 1: the name of the chapter is are you ready to

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Speaker 1: free yourself? And let me just read you the first

711
00:39:48,120 --> 00:39:53,280
Speaker 1: sentence it says, I'm free, I'm finally free. That's two sentences. Actually,

712
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: are you ready to free yourself? And triumph from weight challenges,

713
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Speaker 1: from hormone challenges, from fibroids, for insists, from lack of energy,

714
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:06,000
Speaker 1: from blood pressure challenges, from blood sugar challenges. These are

715
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 1: all the things that affected me. I remember that day

716
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Speaker 1: when I was at the doctor's office and she said

717
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Speaker 1: that she was putting me on a blood pressure pill.

718
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Speaker 1: And I asked her, Okay, why, you know, why do

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Speaker 1: I have to take medicine? I'm sixteen? And she said,

720
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Speaker 1: so you don't have a stroke at the age of thirty.

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Speaker 1: And you know, when I look back, you know, I

722
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Speaker 1: I come from the South, and we come from you know,

723
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Speaker 1: a family of just rich cooking rich foods. Uh. You know,

724
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Speaker 1: we cook with fat back and pork and bacon and

725
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Speaker 1: things like that. And when I looked back, there was

726
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Speaker 1: an opportunity there to figure out why was a sixteen

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Speaker 1: year old having blood pressure problems? You know, it couldn't

728
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Speaker 1: be clogg dotteries. You know, I wasn't old enough. But

729
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Speaker 1: because things did not change, by the time I was thirty,

730
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Speaker 1: I was on three different blood pressure pills. And when

731
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Speaker 1: you are a large child, um, when you're getting teased

732
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Speaker 1: about your weight, being almost three hundred pounds, being on

733
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Speaker 1: blood pressure pills, that affects you and and that that

734
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Speaker 1: just carries on into your adulthood. Um. So the self doubt,

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Speaker 1: the lack of confidence. All of that carried on into

736
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Speaker 1: my adulthood. I majored in pre med I ended up

737
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Speaker 1: getting a masters in health administration, but I did not

738
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Speaker 1: go into the medical field because I felt like a hypocrite.

739
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,640
Speaker 1: I felt like someone, you know, I can't tell anyone

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Speaker 1: how to eat and how to live, and here I

741
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Speaker 1: am three hundred pounds. So I actually ended up working

742
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Speaker 1: for a technology company for eleven years before I really

743
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,319
Speaker 1: started having panic attacks and hormone problems. And it was

744
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Speaker 1: the hormone problems and being on a cycle for three

745
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Speaker 1: months that really really made me realize and say, Okay,

746
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:06,359
Speaker 1: enough is enough. I have got to deal with this

747
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Speaker 1: because I want kids. And my grandmother, my mother, my aunt,

748
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Speaker 1: I had cousins, all have hystrectomies before the age of

749
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Speaker 1: forty and they had kids, you know, and so of

750
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Speaker 1: course they just followed their doctor's orders and you know,

751
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Speaker 1: telling them, okay, we need to have a hystor directed me.

752
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Speaker 1: But I didn't want my options taken away from me.

753
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Speaker 1: And that's why I said, Okay, I need to go

754
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Speaker 1: back to the roots. I need to go back to

755
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:41,320
Speaker 1: natural health. And within thirty days because my doctor basically

756
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:45,400
Speaker 1: suggested to me surgery or more medication to fix my

757
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:49,880
Speaker 1: hormone problems. And within thirty days of natural health and

758
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: researching it myself, um, I stopped the cycle and I

759
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,759
Speaker 1: ended up losing over eighty pounds. And that's when I

760
00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:04,120
Speaker 1: actually went back to school to study nature apathy because

761
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 1: there are so many of women in our community. I'm

762
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 1: suffering from the estrogen dominant, suffering from the fibroids, the cysts,

763
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 1: the blood pressure, the blood sugar, and I wanted to

764
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Speaker 1: let women know through this book that there is hope,

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00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 1: there's another way. Now that doesn't mean that you can

766
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Speaker 1: one percent get off all of your medication. Fortunately enough,

767
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:32,400
Speaker 1: I was able to, but it took some work, it

768
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:37,960
Speaker 1: took exercise. I mean a complete lifestyle change for me.

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Speaker 1: So when if somebody says, okay, complete lifestyle change, and now,

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Speaker 1: how do we tie Good Girl Chocolate into the Because

771
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Speaker 1: when people here to work Good Girl Chocolate, they hear sweets,

772
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: they hear fat, they hear weight gain, all those things.

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00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 1: And so that's why I wanted people to hear your

774
00:43:54,600 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: story because when we when we go on these journeys

775
00:43:57,120 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 1: and I'm able to do on my show money making conversation.

776
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 1: I like to be able to tie things together and

777
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,560
Speaker 1: why there is a purpose behind the actual creation of

778
00:44:05,600 --> 00:44:08,759
Speaker 1: this product. Now, let's talk about the evolution of Good

779
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:12,160
Speaker 1: Girl Chocolate from the conversation we just had about your

780
00:44:12,239 --> 00:44:16,200
Speaker 1: journey of being a sixteen year old nearly through urgy pounds,

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Speaker 1: being bullied, being ostracized, and then your family history with

782
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 1: all your relatives or nearly an age of forty uh

783
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:27,720
Speaker 1: and not and you also wanted to have a normal life.

784
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: Talk about that and then into Good Girl chocolate. And

785
00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,400
Speaker 1: I think the journey of our conversation would have a

786
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Speaker 1: certain motivational tone to it and as well as a

787
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: product that we all should buy are all considered buying

788
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:46,840
Speaker 1: absolutely so. So, like I said, I have been on

789
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Speaker 1: a diet every single day of my life, a different

790
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,879
Speaker 1: diet every year of my life. And one year, over

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Speaker 1: ten years ago, I decided to go raw. And of course,

792
00:44:57,960 --> 00:44:59,959
Speaker 1: when you're on a raw diet, you know you don't

793
00:45:00,040 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 1: eat meat unless you're gonna eat it raw. Uh. You know,

794
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: you don't eat cheese and dairy and things like that.

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00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 1: So it was a truly raw diet. And I said, Okay,

796
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 1: you know I need something sweet to eat, you know,

797
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:17,320
Speaker 1: to really wash down all the raw food. I'm telling you.

798
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:20,840
Speaker 1: I'm telling you those raw diets. They are good in theory,

799
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: but you gotta have something to get rid of that taste.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Yes, you do. So I started making raw chocolate.

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Speaker 1: I mean seriously. I would melt down cocoa butter at

802
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:34,879
Speaker 1: a hundred and twelve degrees because when you dehydrate your

803
00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: food on a raw diet, you have to keep it

804
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,720
Speaker 1: at that one hundred twelve degree temperature, so it's still

805
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: um is a raw food. But I would melt down

806
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Speaker 1: my cocoa butter, you know, mixing my cocoal powders and

807
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 1: and coconut oils, and I would use organic raw agavey

808
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,560
Speaker 1: and all of this to mix up this chocolate. I

809
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: brought bought equipment to mold the chocolate and it just

810
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:00,480
Speaker 1: started from there. And I kept this chocolate to myself

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Speaker 1: for years. My mom loved it, and she was like,

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00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: you know what, you need to spread this chocolate to

813
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:14,000
Speaker 1: the world. Let her okay. So back in tween, I

814
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:19,280
Speaker 1: went to the Texas Women's Conference and applied to present

815
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Speaker 1: in front of QBC, and the food buyer loved the chocolate,

816
00:46:27,120 --> 00:46:30,880
Speaker 1: and she said was actually like the best chocolate um

817
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:36,160
Speaker 1: or plant based chocolate that shit ever tasted. And that

818
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:40,200
Speaker 1: was my confirmation that I'm onto something. I ended up

819
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Speaker 1: quitting my my technology job and started my own business,

820
00:46:45,080 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: and by the time rolled around, I was online, I

821
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Speaker 1: had my own packaging and I was selling Good Girl chocolate.

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Speaker 1: But it's called good Girl chocolate because you can eat

823
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Speaker 1: it every single day and still say you've been good.

824
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Speaker 1: So it's about clean eating. It doesn't have the hydrogenated

825
00:47:06,600 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 1: oils in it. The sugar that I use is coconut sugar.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't have table sugar in it. It's free from gluten,

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Speaker 1: it's free from soy, it's single origin, it's fair trade,

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Speaker 1: so the workers are treated equally, and we make it ourselves.

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Speaker 1: So it takes four days. That brownie batter bar that

830
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Speaker 1: you're eating, it takes four days to make that chocolate

831
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Speaker 1: because we actually roast the beans ourselves and we put

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Speaker 1: it into our grinders and we grind the beans, we

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00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:41,480
Speaker 1: grind the coke chocolate. Keep talking, good Girl frying George chocolate.

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Speaker 1: Come on, now, that's right, and it is the best

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Speaker 1: chocolate ever. And let me tell you if that one

836
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: is too sweet for you, then I'll put you in

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Speaker 1: the semi sweet. I love being able to figure out

838
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: what people like from the seventy dark to the dark

839
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Speaker 1: to the thirty percent dark and just really enjoying chocolate.

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00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,799
Speaker 1: You know, we have one life to live and I

841
00:48:06,880 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: believe in the twenty room anyway. Um, you know you

842
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 1: eat clean eight percent of your your your life. But

843
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: that because we have first days, we have Christmas Is,

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Speaker 1: we have Thanksgiving, and let me tell you, I get

845
00:48:20,160 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 1: down during those days. But clean, Dr Vin, I just

846
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: had gallbladder survery surgery, you know, my gall bladder removement.

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Speaker 1: What for the of course that's when you usually the

848
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 1: symptoms of having a gallbladder issue. Now me, even good

849
00:48:35,600 --> 00:48:40,480
Speaker 1: girl chocolate should be a good thing, right, so let

850
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:44,920
Speaker 1: me tell you this. Everything and moderation, and as a

851
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: naturalpathic doctor, I do have to tell you, Um, when

852
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: you do not have a gall bladder, it's harder for

853
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 1: you to digest facts. And that's why for all of

854
00:48:56,360 --> 00:49:01,600
Speaker 1: my clients I recommend a food ensign that has life

855
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:05,240
Speaker 1: paste in it because life paste actually helps you digest fat.

856
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:08,840
Speaker 1: But everything, no matter what you're eating, whether it's the

857
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,879
Speaker 1: beyond sausager meat that we're talking about. You know, eat

858
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:17,439
Speaker 1: everything in moderation. Just because it's plant base doesn't mean

859
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:20,279
Speaker 1: that you should be eating a whole wagon full of it.

860
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:23,680
Speaker 1: A potatorship is plant base, but you shouldn't eat the

861
00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:27,759
Speaker 1: whole higher a big bag of them, right right. And

862
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:29,720
Speaker 1: that's me And as I'm saying, one of those people,

863
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: I eat out of control. Like when you said you

864
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 1: can eat this every day, I went, okay, But you

865
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,120
Speaker 1: need to get the whole story before you start just

866
00:49:38,200 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: jumping into the wagon and having a party and destroying

867
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: all the good things that can happen in your life

868
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,240
Speaker 1: by misinterpreting what you're trying to say in this interview

869
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: or want anybody's ever trying to say. It's about moderation.

870
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:55,360
Speaker 1: Weight loss is about moderation. Living a comfortable life is moderation.

871
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 1: They always tell you, don't over drink, don't over party,

872
00:49:58,080 --> 00:50:01,560
Speaker 1: don't overdo it, don't overex. A size can leave the

873
00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:04,960
Speaker 1: knee injuries, pulled muscles. You know, people out there they

874
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 1: want to become young in the day by going into

875
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 1: the gym and trying to run a mile when they

876
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 1: only should be walking a mile instead of running the

877
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:14,920
Speaker 1: mill and so the whole the whole purpose of when

878
00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: I look at the whole platform of what you've done

879
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,280
Speaker 1: with good gle chocolate is tied to good health and

880
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: good healthy lifestyle with moderation and a product that allows

881
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,880
Speaker 1: you to eat. I've never used the word healthy to

882
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 1: and mislead people, but this is a naturally Sweden. It

883
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:35,680
Speaker 1: is vegan based, and it's free of gluten, dairy, and

884
00:50:35,800 --> 00:50:39,480
Speaker 1: story and it's made with our GMOs. That's pretty good

885
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,960
Speaker 1: to me, doctor, thank you. And I want to pay

886
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 1: back on what you just said. Don't use the term

887
00:50:46,600 --> 00:50:50,600
Speaker 1: healthy and and and I don't. I don't say, oh,

888
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:54,799
Speaker 1: I have a healthy chocolate. What I do is I

889
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: say I have a chocolate that supports this lifestyle that

890
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:04,120
Speaker 1: free of the gluten, the soy, you know, the dairy,

891
00:51:04,160 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: is supporting the vegan, the paleo and the whole thirty lifestyle.

892
00:51:07,600 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 1: And it's sweetened with coconut sugar which is a low

893
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,120
Speaker 1: work like seamake sugar. And while we're at it, we

894
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,399
Speaker 1: also have sugar free. Um. One of the things that

895
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 1: my my diabetics are my keto's told me, they said, hey, um,

896
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: you know, Dr T we really want something free of sugar.

897
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 1: I understand you have the coconut sugar in it, but

898
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 1: we want something sugar free. So we also have a

899
00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:35,719
Speaker 1: sugar free chocolate that has xyla tool from Birch which

900
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:37,719
Speaker 1: is the best of the best when it comes to

901
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:42,960
Speaker 1: alternative sweeteners for um, the diabetic community and for the

902
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 1: keto community. Now you're based in Oklahoma, and uh, Good

903
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 1: Girl Chocolate is based in Oklahoma. You just open to

904
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,560
Speaker 1: a rick and mortar in the Pinch Square mall in Oklahoma.

905
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,239
Speaker 1: And now Dr T let's talk about some good things

906
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,960
Speaker 1: that have happened that made you smile. Uh. You know

907
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: Beyonce once Sace, she came to your rescue, but bore

908
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 1: her brand really came in and put some love on you,

909
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,719
Speaker 1: isn't it really? It's not really about the amount of

910
00:52:06,760 --> 00:52:12,200
Speaker 1: money she gave you. It's the brand association. Don't you agree? Absolutely,

911
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,960
Speaker 1: it's it's it's just and first of all that that

912
00:52:16,160 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: it just felt so good. I didn't receive an email

913
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: or anything. It was posted on social media who the

914
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:27,719
Speaker 1: grant recipients were. And I saw my chocolate and let

915
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 1: me tell you that I think I cried. I'm serious,

916
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:37,720
Speaker 1: I was crying because it was just so I felt

917
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: so much overwhelming joy from seeing that and knowing that

918
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: I'm onto something, I'm doing something right. You know, when

919
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:53,319
Speaker 1: I was invited to um the Grammy's Gifting Suite, you know,

920
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: they tasted it first and said, hey, I, we really

921
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,359
Speaker 1: don't like healthy chocolate, but your chocolate is awesome. Your

922
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: energy it's great. We definitely want you here. It's just

923
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:09,320
Speaker 1: been confirmation after confirmation and being the first permanently black

924
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 1: owned business in my local mall. Oh man, you I'm

925
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: just I'm just full of joy. I'm very very very grateful,

926
00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 1: and I'm just excited. I just celebrated a birthday to

927
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 1: this past weekend. We've been over open a week, so

928
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 1: it was like the perfect birthday gift to me. Well,

929
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:31,160
Speaker 1: let's let's let's go and talk about you know, being

930
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:35,400
Speaker 1: the first of anything is tied to pressure because you

931
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: can't be the first to close, you know, the first,

932
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: So that means that you have to endure uh, you know,

933
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:45,120
Speaker 1: internal mental um, sometimes depression. You have to deal with

934
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:49,240
Speaker 1: being in an environment that people can surround you positive

935
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 1: people and also surround yourself with people who understand your

936
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: dream Talk about your network of people who support you

937
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: and also who have been abled you to get to

938
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 1: where you are today with good Girl Chocolate. You know,

939
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: I tell you I I would be remissed if I

940
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:10,080
Speaker 1: didn't say my parents first when it comes to support.

941
00:54:11,080 --> 00:54:14,240
Speaker 1: They are my number one supporters. As a matter of fact,

942
00:54:14,520 --> 00:54:18,440
Speaker 1: right now, it's so hard to find people to work

943
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 1: right now, and my parents, who are retired, have stepped

944
00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:27,440
Speaker 1: up and have been helping me in the store, you

945
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 1: know this past week, keep things together. But I believe

946
00:54:32,920 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 1: your network is very important. You know there's that saying

947
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: your your network is your net worth, but it really

948
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:45,600
Speaker 1: really is about building relationships. Um. I am an alpha

949
00:54:45,640 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 1: calfa alpha woman, and you know I have a network

950
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 1: from my sorority sisters, you know, who came together and

951
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 1: supported me my first you know week open. You already

952
00:54:56,920 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 1: know my my good friend Kim Cole's you know, she

953
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 1: has definitely opened up some amazing, amazing doors for me.

954
00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 1: But it's really about relationships. You know. I think your

955
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:13,760
Speaker 1: character and who you are is very important and people

956
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:16,439
Speaker 1: are going to see that. People are going to see

957
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 1: that uniqueness about you. And I'm I'm a believer. I

958
00:55:21,120 --> 00:55:25,120
Speaker 1: believe in God. Um, God is first in my life,

959
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: and I've just been so blessed with people who love me,

960
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:33,200
Speaker 1: people who have embraced me, people who have helped me

961
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,680
Speaker 1: get to where I am today. I am truly grateful.

962
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:40,600
Speaker 1: I went through the Oklahoma City Thunder Accelerator program here

963
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma City, and I came out with my first investor.

964
00:55:45,360 --> 00:55:48,440
Speaker 1: And it was that investor who helped me because I

965
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,520
Speaker 1: had to totally redo the store in Penn Square Mall

966
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:56,280
Speaker 1: from drop ceilings to electrical to equipment. That's that's fifteen

967
00:55:56,320 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 1: thousand dollars of peace. Um. So all of that cast money,

968
00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:04,520
Speaker 1: and I'm just excited. I'm excited about the growth. I'm

969
00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:09,120
Speaker 1: excited about the wholesale opportunities that are out there that

970
00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 1: have approached me. Um. It's just an exciting time. UM.

971
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:17,479
Speaker 1: I'm thinking about opening up for another investor fund fund

972
00:56:17,600 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 1: here in the fall. And it's just it's truly about relationships.

973
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: And I'm excited about sitting here with you, talking to

974
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:29,919
Speaker 1: you and on your show. And I appreciate the opportunity

975
00:56:29,960 --> 00:56:32,319
Speaker 1: and thank you so much from the bottom of my heart. Well,

976
00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,279
Speaker 1: thank you for this good Girl chocolate. First of all,

977
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 1: that's gonna be real. It's a it's a selfish motivation. Here,

978
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:39,279
Speaker 1: you give me something good, I gotta talk to you

979
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,080
Speaker 1: about how good it is. And it's really I can't

980
00:56:42,120 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: wait to get in this little this little bag of

981
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,239
Speaker 1: tricks right here, the little couple with those pecan nuts,

982
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 1: this is gonna be my favorite. Let me tell you

983
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,759
Speaker 1: that pecan fudge. I don't know if we can even

984
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 1: let you dig on it, if you can dig in

985
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: on it on the show, but that pecan fudge truffle

986
00:56:59,600 --> 00:57:04,400
Speaker 1: that's in that that's probably gonna be your favorite. Because

987
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,480
Speaker 1: I know you but you know a rich over Rashan,

988
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:12,520
Speaker 1: you know, and morsels and in moderation. So I'm working

989
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,759
Speaker 1: on this. I can't immediately bust open this little package here,

990
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,120
Speaker 1: especially just just wrapping up surgery. But more importantly, I

991
00:57:19,240 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 1: just I wanted to tell your story. I just you know,

992
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 1: and it's there's always a great story. There's always that

993
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 1: the product is fantastic. Let's let's move past that. But

994
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: what made that product a reality? And the reality is

995
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: through personal triumph. A reality is trying to change not

996
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: only your lives, but other people alive through your empowerment.

997
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,640
Speaker 1: And it started with your with your book. It started

998
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,440
Speaker 1: with sixteen years old. It started with you not accepting

999
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: the fact that this is going to be your life

1000
00:57:44,200 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 1: and you didn't want it to be your life. It

1001
00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 1: started through your education. It started through you realizing that

1002
00:57:49,000 --> 00:57:51,080
Speaker 1: the way you look was living in your dreams and

1003
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,720
Speaker 1: you have to change that. But more importantly, Dr Car,

1004
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: your your product is amazing. Don't let the word vegan

1005
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,680
Speaker 1: run you away from this product. It is what it is,

1006
00:58:00,120 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 1: but it's uh, it's it's for you. It tastes good.

1007
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 1: Everybody knows I'm a dessert nut. I am a foodie.

1008
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:08,720
Speaker 1: When I say something that's good, and you should stamp

1009
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:10,960
Speaker 1: that as a reality. I do not allow people to

1010
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,040
Speaker 1: come on my show and then, you know, eat their

1011
00:58:13,080 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 1: food and then go around the corner and spread it out.

1012
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,080
Speaker 1: That's not how it works on money making conversation. This

1013
00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:21,840
Speaker 1: is fantastic and I will be dining on this this weekend.

1014
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,280
Speaker 1: Thank you very much for coming to the show. Dr Car.

1015
00:58:25,480 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Thank you so much for the

1016
00:58:27,760 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: opportunity I have enjoyed this time. I love talking about

1017
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: health and wellness, I love talking about good Girl chocolate,

1018
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:37,960
Speaker 1: and I love to inspire and empower women. Well you

1019
00:58:38,040 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 1: did it all in this interview. I would like to

1020
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,520
Speaker 1: believe we hit all those touch we had all those

1021
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: touch points. Okay, uh. We will be right back with

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1040
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Speaker 1: the and there they go, almost on time. This morning.

1041
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 1: Mom is coming out the front door, strong with a

1042
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:03,160
Speaker 1: double arm kid carry. Looks like Dad has the bags.

1043
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: Daughter is bringing up the rear. Oh but the diaper

1044
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 1: bag wasn't closed. Diapers and toys are everywhere. Oh but

1045
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Speaker 1: mom has just nailed the perfect car seat buckle for

1046
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Speaker 1: the toddler. And now the eldest daughter, who looks to

1047
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Speaker 1: be about nine or ten, has secured herself in the

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1049
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Speaker 1: but looks like Mom doesn't realize her coffee cup is

1050
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Speaker 1: That's a shame that mug was a fan favorite. Don't

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Speaker 1: you by Mitza and the AD Council. You are now

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Speaker 1: tuned into the money making conversations. Minute of inspiration with

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Speaker 1: Rashan McDonald. Our recently interviewed Gina yash ray, a British

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Speaker 1: comedian of Nigerian heritage. She's the co creator Call Executive,

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Speaker 1: But there was a writer and actress on the hit

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Speaker 1: CBS series Bob Hart Abber Shouler. Gina is releasing her

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Speaker 1: first book, a memoir, Cat Candy, which chronicles her odyssey

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Speaker 1: to get to America and break into Hollywood. I wrote

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Speaker 1: the book convinually. It started off as just on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: There was a hashtag fowback Thursdays, where you past old pictures,

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Speaker 1: and I was posting old pictures and writing the story

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Speaker 1: behind the pictures, like post a picture and writing elaborate

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Speaker 1: post explaining the history behind the picture. And people were

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Speaker 1: really interested in saying, oh my god, your story is

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Speaker 1: so good, why don't you write a book? So I

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Speaker 1: started keeping those and I want to talk about my

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Speaker 1: history because people don't seem to realize that the UK

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Speaker 1: started safely. If you want to hear the full interview

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Speaker 1: with Gina Yasharai, it's available on money Making Conversations dot com.

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Speaker 1: Welcome back to Money Making Conversations with your host Rashan McDonald.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to Money Making Conversation. I am your host, Rashan

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Speaker 1: mcdonne them. I always tell people every week, you know

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Speaker 1: it's time to stop reading other people's sexcess stories to

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Speaker 1: start writing your owner. People always talking about gifts and passions.

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Speaker 1: If you have a gift, lead with your gift and

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Speaker 1: don't let your age, friends, family, or coworkers stop you

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Speaker 1: from planning or living your dreams. The people I bring

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Speaker 1: on Money Making Conversation or celebrity ceo, entrepreneurs, and people

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Speaker 1: I like to call industry decision makers. My next guest

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Speaker 1: is what I like to believe is truly an industry

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Speaker 1: decision maker. His name is Kurt Mays. He is the

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Speaker 1: CEO of Forgotten Horrors, one of Michigan's top nonprofit organizations

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Speaker 1: and one of the nation's premier food rescue organizations. Forgotten

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Speaker 1: Harvest was formed in eighteen ninety to fight two problems,

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Speaker 1: hunger and waste. Forgotten Harvests rescued four to one point

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Speaker 1: five million pounds of food last year by collecting surplus

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Speaker 1: prepared and perishable food from eight hundred sources that include

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Speaker 1: grocery stores, fruit and vegetable markets, restaurants, caterers, dairies, farmers,

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Speaker 1: wholesale food distributions, hold holdfil wholesale food distributors, and other

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Speaker 1: department approved sources. This donated food which would otherwise go

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Speaker 1: to waste. It just delve free of charge to more

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Speaker 1: than two hundred and eighty emergency food providers in the

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Speaker 1: metro Detroit area. He's on the show to talk about

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Speaker 1: the purpose, but also his purpose. Please work with the

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Speaker 1: money making conversations, my man, Kurt Maye, thank you so now,

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Speaker 1: thank you for having me on the sholve this design

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Speaker 1: and Kurt, I had I had to put you out there. Man,

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Speaker 1: you don't you change your lives? Brother, Man, just trying

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Speaker 1: every day to just do what we can to help. Man.

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Speaker 1: We occured when I interview individuals like you, because you're

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Speaker 1: such forward thinkers and you're all about what you what

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Speaker 1: you can do more, what you can do better? How

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Speaker 1: does that start? I'm gonna delve into you a little bit.

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Speaker 1: What does that start for you? Who initiated this type

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Speaker 1: of behavior or thought process in your life? It comes

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Speaker 1: from my home, It comes from my mom. It comes

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Speaker 1: from the way I grew up, you know, my mother,

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Speaker 1: my family or from Jamaica, and UH really started with

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Speaker 1: like you know, third world country poverty just different lovel

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Speaker 1: You know, my mom didn't have her first pair of

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Speaker 1: shoes until she actually um had to go to school,

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Speaker 1: so you know, it's just kind of like having that

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Speaker 1: family background of people that started so far away from

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Speaker 1: their dreams and ambitions and just taking those one day

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Speaker 1: at a time steps towards like progress is something that

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Speaker 1: I lived in, lived around my whole life and realizing

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Speaker 1: the gift and in the blessing that I had to be,

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Speaker 1: you know, in America for them to make the sacrifice

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Speaker 1: the day that did to actually I was born here

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Speaker 1: to be able to actually realize that every opportunity that

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Speaker 1: I had was an extension of the dreams that they

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Speaker 1: have for themselves. So it was always and still to

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Speaker 1: me to actually stay on the right path and be

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Speaker 1: patient about machieving goals because nothing comes, you know, overnight,

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Speaker 1: So it really just came from home and how I

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Speaker 1: was raised. Well, you know that's important because it shapes

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Speaker 1: your vision. Like I said, my service was really introduced

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Speaker 1: when I was in college at the University of Houston

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Speaker 1: and I played to make a side Fire fraternity and

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Speaker 1: all fraternities and sards or service based organizations if anybody

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Speaker 1: does know any thing about that, that's what they really are.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I really got into community service, giving,

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Speaker 1: you know, raising funds for local community activist organizations, donating food,

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Speaker 1: I mean we should give away government cheese, was giving

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Speaker 1: away water, all those things and seeing how the people react.

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Speaker 1: I remember, man, when we had when we loaded up

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Speaker 1: that truck, it was giving with that government chiefs man,

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Speaker 1: it was a line around the block. And so the

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Speaker 1: need is real, and so let's talk about that need. Kurt. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know, it starts with a a moment where people

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Speaker 1: have to realize that they can't do it on their own,

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Speaker 1: and they got to actually figure out who they can

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Speaker 1: trust in that moment of vulnerability to get what they need,

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Speaker 1: but also try to walk to walk away with enough

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Speaker 1: energy and time so they can actually work on the

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Speaker 1: root cause, which is how do I make sure I

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Speaker 1: don't I don't have to deal with this again. And

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Speaker 1: you know, in our lives, we'd be surprised how many

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Speaker 1: times people fall into that one scenario where it's like

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Speaker 1: I can't do it by myself, whether it's a corporation

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Speaker 1: that's doing major layoffs, whether it's the government shutdown that

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Speaker 1: we've seen the pandemic or just the regular cycles of

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Speaker 1: our economy that are changing every day from local to global. Right,

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Speaker 1: So UM, I see, we see UM in our work. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 1: the lines wrapped around the corner every day in multiple places.

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Speaker 1: So the issue of human needs is persistent, it's constant,

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Speaker 1: and unfortunately it's more dynamic than just being able to

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Speaker 1: put food in a place for people to get it.

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Speaker 1: We really got to think, um, we got to really

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Speaker 1: come together and think about the ways that we can

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Speaker 1: help each other even before people as UM, so that

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Speaker 1: we can help, you know, stamp some of these gaps

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Speaker 1: that people have that sometimes they they don't say anything

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Speaker 1: until it's too bad. It's what, it's worse than it

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Speaker 1: should have been. UM and UM. If we can work

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Speaker 1: together and be that safety net for each other, we

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Speaker 1: really can do a lot to reduce the pain that

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Speaker 1: a lot of people are actually suffering through quietly. Well,

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Speaker 1: let's let's talk about that, because when you said that

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Speaker 1: people are wrapped around the building, you know, let's go

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Speaker 1: back to when this country was shut down, restaurants could

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Speaker 1: even do any business, and so you get a lot

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Speaker 1: of your food from these types of what they say

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Speaker 1: prepared or preparishable food. And one of the things is

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Speaker 1: restaurant caterers, you know, farmers, wholesale and food distributors. Walk

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Speaker 1: us through that moment right there in time where you

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Speaker 1: had a system in place where you did business with

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Speaker 1: and retrieving this type of food. Then when the country

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Speaker 1: got set down shut down in twenty when they do

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Speaker 1: the COVID, how did that dynamic change and how did

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Speaker 1: you walk through the process in dealing with companies now

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Speaker 1: who are not even making money, but now you need

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Speaker 1: the food that they're offering. Yeah, so that's a good

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Speaker 1: that's a good point. So let me just kind of

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Speaker 1: level set a little bit on how the whole system

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Speaker 1: is set up for us and how we kind of

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Speaker 1: approached it first. Um. Over the years that we've become

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Speaker 1: more dynamic and have more capacity to serve our community,

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Speaker 1: we actually forgotten obvious. It is, for instance, at the

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Speaker 1: time that that pandemic winning to play, our largest sources

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Speaker 1: of food coming from places like grocery stores, farmers, food

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Speaker 1: manufacturers like CANAGRAA and the in the in the places

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Speaker 1: where the food getting warehouse. Um, and we have a

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Speaker 1: farmer of our own. So when you think about the

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Speaker 1: actual prepared foods and stuff that's already cooked. We actually

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Speaker 1: specialized um and that other stuff I just talked about.

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Speaker 1: And then we have some select partners like certain restaurant groups.

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Speaker 1: And when it's like the casino as well, uh you

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Speaker 1: know Tiger Stadium, when they when they didn't finish with

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Speaker 1: all the hot dogs, we go get those. But because

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Speaker 1: of the food safety uh parameters that we want to

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Speaker 1: put in place, we didn't really deal with allion share

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Speaker 1: of pair food. Now when when the restaurant shut down

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Speaker 1: because of the pandemic, we do have the capacity to

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Speaker 1: deal with that, and we had to make that adjustment

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Speaker 1: so that we could actually go get the stuff that

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Speaker 1: was actually gonna go to waste because the restaurants couldn't

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Speaker 1: get it out to the community. So there was a

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Speaker 1: small flipping time where we got a bunch of the

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Speaker 1: restaurants rations and got that back out to the community.

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Speaker 1: Right now, our typical way of doing things, as I mentioned,

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Speaker 1: is our trucks leave our daily uh the daily picture

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Speaker 1: of Forgotten Harvest is our trucks leave our warehouse and

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Speaker 1: Metro Detray every day and they go out on routes

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Speaker 1: to go pick up food from dedicated grocery store pipers

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Speaker 1: and then after didn't go here about twelve or fifteen

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Speaker 1: grocery store partners, they didn't turn that food back around

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Speaker 1: and drop it off at some of the community organizations,

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Speaker 1: the churches, the senior centers throughout the community um in

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Speaker 1: order for those organizations and turn back around and then

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Speaker 1: redistributed for folks and need in the community. At our

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Speaker 1: home warehouse while things are coming in from farmers and

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Speaker 1: manufacturers and things like that, we have about sixteen thousand

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Speaker 1: volunteers a year that helped us with actually sorting through things,

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Speaker 1: making sure we separate the good for the bad, but

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Speaker 1: also break down things like the onions and tomatoes and

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Speaker 1: corn into smaller bundles so that we're not just taking

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Speaker 1: big galors or big boxes to the community and dropping

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Speaker 1: them off. We're actually dropping them off, but they're also

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Speaker 1: already kind of unitized, so people who walk through the

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Speaker 1: line can actually get their portion for themselves. So it's

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Speaker 1: kind of a dynamic operation going on a daily basis.

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Speaker 1: As we walked into COVID, we had to realize a

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Speaker 1: few things. Number One, our distribution network was gonna potentially

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Speaker 1: be greatly affective, because if you know how the actual

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Speaker 1: emergency food distribution system is set up throughout our communities

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Speaker 1: is largely done by volunteers. You know that church group

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Speaker 1: that's actually given out the food that's probably you know

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Speaker 1: Grandma and the church Ms. Johnson and the church that says,

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Speaker 1: you know, this is something that's passionate for her and

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Speaker 1: she wants to do that, so just take two hours

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Speaker 1: on her Wednesday to give away that free food that

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Speaker 1: gets sourced for however that particular location does it. Um

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of situations like that. That's actually the

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Speaker 1: safety net for our communities. And when COVID came in

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Speaker 1: that those were vulnerable populations with very little infrastructure for sustainability,

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Speaker 1: and a lot of those folks weren't getting paid so

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Speaker 1: they were volunteer roles. So we knew that there was

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Speaker 1: gonna be some real instability in our distribution network. A

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Speaker 1: lot of our volunteers is the same sixteen thousand volunteers

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Speaker 1: a year. We got some great corporate relationships, so our

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Speaker 1: volunteers come in bundles of thirty and fifty at a

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Speaker 1: time because we got corporate corporations that are sending people

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Speaker 1: to us on a daily basis for corporate action shutdown

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Speaker 1: and start actually sending people to work from home, changing

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Speaker 1: the parameters around how volunteerism and just how people were

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Speaker 1: going to be deployed into the community. We had to

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Speaker 1: figure out what we're gonna do about volunteers. But that's

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Speaker 1: a core way of what we do. Forgotten Harvards distributes

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Speaker 1: about fifty million pounds of food last year to our

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Speaker 1: community and helped about a million people. We can't do

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Speaker 1: that with the eighty staff and ninety five staff that

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Speaker 1: we had. We need our volunteers, so we also had

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Speaker 1: to come up with a way to address that. In

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Speaker 1: addition to all of that, in the working spaces that

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Speaker 1: we have, we had some things that we had to consider,

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Speaker 1: like ppe like the distance between um, how how far

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Speaker 1: people could be when we actually give away the food,

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01:12:41,760 --> 01:12:43,640
Speaker 1: what's the best ways to give away the food so

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Speaker 1: that everybody is actually kept protected. And then when we're

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Speaker 1: actually doing our side of the processing, how was our

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Speaker 1: space gonna be transformed? So in order to address these things,

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Speaker 1: we did a couple of things. The first thing we

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Speaker 1: did is we came up away to actually quickly distribute

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01:12:57,960 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 1: the food to the community with assist them that we

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01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 1: actually ran and control on our own instead of actually

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01:13:03,400 --> 01:13:06,639
Speaker 1: depending on our typical system of all to our community

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Speaker 1: distribution partner. And that was going about because of COVID.

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Speaker 1: Right that that was because of COVID. Now we have

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01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:17,880
Speaker 1: already been kind of working on a model that we

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01:13:17,880 --> 01:13:20,679
Speaker 1: were actually as a team kind of testing on our own.

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01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:22,880
Speaker 1: We were kind of doing our own little R and D.

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Speaker 1: And it turns out that that little thing that we

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01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:27,719
Speaker 1: were working on was the that thing that we need

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01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:30,320
Speaker 1: to do in order to address that particular hole, which

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01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:33,920
Speaker 1: was how do we actually put distribution mechanisms out there

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01:13:33,960 --> 01:13:37,640
Speaker 1: to get to the community knowing that the whole distribution

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01:13:37,680 --> 01:13:40,679
Speaker 1: network that we had in place, we're probably shut down.

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01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:43,120
Speaker 1: And what we did for that was we we set

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Speaker 1: up what we call our mobile pantry, but we basically

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01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:49,200
Speaker 1: going uh the deployed one of those fifty three ft

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Speaker 1: refrigerated trucks into our community with volunteers and it serves

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Speaker 1: as at that staging unit. We put all the stuff

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Speaker 1: on the on the parking lot on a palette, and

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01:14:00,160 --> 01:14:02,920
Speaker 1: we have all the distributions with the community coming through

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01:14:03,360 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 1: UM in their cars and we were able to put

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01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:08,240
Speaker 1: stuff from the trumps. We had to go from fishing

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01:14:08,240 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 1: with a net so to speak, to fishing with the

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01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:12,960
Speaker 1: hook again with volunteers and calling one at the time.

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01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:16,760
Speaker 1: So we put um partnerships in place with some of

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01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:19,080
Speaker 1: our community partners so we can get the volunteers and

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01:14:19,120 --> 01:14:21,800
Speaker 1: be specific about how we did that. But we're really

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01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:23,400
Speaker 1: in the middle of all of that. Really had to

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01:14:23,479 --> 01:14:26,240
Speaker 1: pause and I had to we the team had to

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01:14:26,240 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 1: really get serious about trying to get to every partner

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01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:35,760
Speaker 1: we could get ppe the whole process of what you're

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01:14:35,800 --> 01:14:38,840
Speaker 1: talking about. You know, it's fear, you know, COVID because

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01:14:38,840 --> 01:14:40,960
Speaker 1: like I said, plus Michigan and the state of Michigan.

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Speaker 1: Talking to Kurt, maybe he's to see over forgotten the

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Speaker 1: Harvest UH runs one of the Michigan's top nonprofit organizations

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01:14:47,479 --> 01:14:50,840
Speaker 1: where Premier Rescue Food organization. This is a key in

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Speaker 1: this conversation. Food that would be perishable food that we'll

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01:14:53,320 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 1: be thrown away, he repurposes and it gets it to

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Speaker 1: people in need and it's safe food that's being repurposes

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Speaker 1: and deliver free of charge. That's what we're talking about.

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Speaker 1: It's not only happens there, but there are the organizations

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Speaker 1: in the state of in the state of American this

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Speaker 1: world that does that as well. But we're talking to

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01:15:08,560 --> 01:15:11,280
Speaker 1: Curt made right here, and Kurt one I wanted to

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01:15:11,280 --> 01:15:14,120
Speaker 1: talk slow down just a little bit because the ready

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Speaker 1: made food that you was getting from this restaurant played

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Speaker 1: a role because that food went to certain individuals or

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Speaker 1: certain groups. What happened there when you didn't have the

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Speaker 1: ready made food anymore to be given out to these

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Speaker 1: certain groups or individuals that needed or was expecting that

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Speaker 1: five days a week. You know, we we relied on

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Speaker 1: some of our resistant relationships. We were all at that

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Speaker 1: point we realized that we had to change the way

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Speaker 1: we looked at bringing in our floe supply. So our

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Speaker 1: supply chain partnerships had to actually pivot on the dime.

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Speaker 1: So instead of you know, a lot of the food

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01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:49,759
Speaker 1: came from the grocery store, and grocery store shelves was clear.

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01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 1: So what we're gonna do. Um, So we have these

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01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:56,400
Speaker 1: relationships where a lot of food producers and food manufacturers.

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01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 1: So we started to actually approach some of our partners

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01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 1: to buy the food because we knew we needed to

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01:16:01,960 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 1: actually start getting out here and actually making sure that

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01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 1: we were there. We were on the ground with food.

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01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:09,080
Speaker 1: So There was a portion of time where I had

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01:16:09,120 --> 01:16:11,680
Speaker 1: to get approval from our board to be able to

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01:16:11,720 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 1: actually go into our cash reserves up to a million

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Speaker 1: dollars so that I could actually be able to purchase food,

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01:16:18,080 --> 01:16:20,120
Speaker 1: so that we could actually feel the gaps we need

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01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 1: to feel in case we couldn't get the food from

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01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:26,000
Speaker 1: the food manufacturers and at the same from the from

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01:16:26,040 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 1: the community. The way we were getting in and at

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01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:30,479
Speaker 1: the same time we started actually putting the word out

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01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:33,160
Speaker 1: to people. You know what, man, I gotta say, it's

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01:16:33,160 --> 01:16:35,640
Speaker 1: such a blessing. We never had to dip into that

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Speaker 1: million dollars to buy the food. We did have to

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01:16:38,840 --> 01:16:41,439
Speaker 1: buy food, but we got food that was coming in

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Speaker 1: from places that we didn't even expect. We had partners

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Speaker 1: that actually stepped up to make sure that we were

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01:16:47,240 --> 01:16:49,640
Speaker 1: UM in place where we need to be. We have

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Speaker 1: a coalition of partners um in the state of Michigan

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Speaker 1: called the Food Bank Council of Michigan, which is seven

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Speaker 1: organizations and we covered the entire state. We started putting

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Speaker 1: our heads together and we went to the governor and

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Speaker 1: we started speaking as one voice about the shortfalls that

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Speaker 1: were coming to us based on what was going on

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Speaker 1: the moves that FEMA did, the moves to be able

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Speaker 1: to get the boxes on the ground. A lot of

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Speaker 1: that conversation actually started in Michigan and they proliferated throughout

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Speaker 1: the rest of the country as as the way that

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Speaker 1: everybody would actually get that solution in place, So the

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Speaker 1: Karasak program some of the things that happened through FEMA

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01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:29,080
Speaker 1: ultimately was what actually uh stem the tide to be

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01:17:29,160 --> 01:17:31,120
Speaker 1: able to give all of us the food we needed.

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01:17:31,120 --> 01:17:34,400
Speaker 1: So the food boxes then forgotten harvest because we have

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Speaker 1: all these relationships with other fresh group providers. Also many

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Speaker 1: also supplemented the food boxes with vegetables, fruits, m lunches

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Speaker 1: for the kids and all and all we've been giving

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01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:49,160
Speaker 1: away and averages seventy pounds of food for every family

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01:17:49,520 --> 01:17:53,559
Speaker 1: that comes through our line. Wow. You know when I

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01:17:53,600 --> 01:17:57,040
Speaker 1: listened to you talk, you the CEO. Okay, So that

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01:17:57,080 --> 01:17:59,719
Speaker 1: means there's a journey to become the CEO of forgotten

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01:17:59,720 --> 01:18:03,920
Speaker 1: the hard vers How is that possible? How does that work?

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01:18:04,040 --> 01:18:06,560
Speaker 1: You know when that you know your service are a

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01:18:06,720 --> 01:18:09,160
Speaker 1: young man. You've been honored by your alumni, your school,

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01:18:09,200 --> 01:18:12,760
Speaker 1: Michigan State University, been honored for other efforts within the community.

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01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:17,080
Speaker 1: How does Kurt May's become the CEO of Forgotten Harvest?

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01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:24,280
Speaker 1: And that's the main le of question. You though you

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01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:27,880
Speaker 1: already you gotta you show me your visionary You showed

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01:18:27,920 --> 01:18:30,559
Speaker 1: me that you you rather the pivot when when when

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01:18:30,600 --> 01:18:33,479
Speaker 1: confusion steps in place, you already had places. You already

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01:18:33,560 --> 01:18:35,800
Speaker 1: had an idea that hey, this is something we need

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01:18:35,840 --> 01:18:38,599
Speaker 1: to look at. COVID hits it. You already got the model.

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01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:40,880
Speaker 1: You put the model in place, and then it moves

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01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:43,880
Speaker 1: you forward, and then you're able to create a one voice.

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01:18:43,960 --> 01:18:47,320
Speaker 1: You tell the council look notifying them that hate there

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01:18:47,439 --> 01:18:49,240
Speaker 1: is a problem out there. I'm not saying we're going

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01:18:49,280 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 1: to get the money, but that means that you're a

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01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:56,120
Speaker 1: guy who foresees the problem with resolution. Yeah, that has

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Speaker 1: been your personality. Correct, Yeah, that's that's all. That's all

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01:19:00,200 --> 01:19:02,840
Speaker 1: you know. Humbly, I can say that's all fair, right,

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01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:06,040
Speaker 1: so um, but to answer your question, I gotta actually

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01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:08,160
Speaker 1: go probably a little bit off the script and just

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01:19:08,200 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 1: go say that I've just been trying to make sure

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01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:15,400
Speaker 1: my fire don't burn me up, and I gotta I

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01:19:15,400 --> 01:19:18,799
Speaker 1: gotta fire for our people, I gotta fire for our community.

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01:19:19,400 --> 01:19:23,280
Speaker 1: I understand uh, I think I understand well enough to

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01:19:24,120 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 1: the politics of change. Um My, my greatest focus is

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01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:31,000
Speaker 1: studying people and trying to understand people so I can

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01:19:31,040 --> 01:19:32,680
Speaker 1: do as much as I can as a sergment to

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01:19:32,760 --> 01:19:36,759
Speaker 1: people to help. I started as a grassroots or community

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01:19:36,840 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 1: organizer with the hope that I could actually be a

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Speaker 1: part of an effort to you know, twenty years ago,

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01:19:43,720 --> 01:19:46,840
Speaker 1: I started with a dream that we could recreate Black

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01:19:46,880 --> 01:19:50,639
Speaker 1: Wall Street and Detroit. And now I see people talking

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01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:54,000
Speaker 1: about it everywhere. So I honestly is just a young

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01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:56,280
Speaker 1: man who just want to see change with the people

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01:19:56,320 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 1: around me. I gotta burning fire. I had a great education,

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01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:03,680
Speaker 1: and I point I realized that I can probably do

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01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:07,879
Speaker 1: anything and be successful. And I could go sell myself,

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01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:10,479
Speaker 1: my talent, my ability, my time and somebody and probably

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01:20:10,479 --> 01:20:12,920
Speaker 1: gonna make a lot of money. But I want to

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01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:14,880
Speaker 1: I want to leave a legacy. You know. It's life

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01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:17,640
Speaker 1: that my my child, my family could be proud of.

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01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:20,920
Speaker 1: And it got to be something more than just cash.

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01:20:21,400 --> 01:20:25,120
Speaker 1: So I dedicated my life to serving our community. And

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Speaker 1: I gotta say it didn't start being a CEO of

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01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:31,799
Speaker 1: forgotten Harvard. It didn't start being a CEO of nothing.

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01:20:31,840 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 1: And so this dream I had and I was always

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01:20:35,439 --> 01:20:37,800
Speaker 1: the CEO of that dream, and I never stopped being

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01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:41,720
Speaker 1: a CEO. And I've always been putting my fire into

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01:20:41,800 --> 01:20:43,720
Speaker 1: the place where I felt like I could add the

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01:20:43,800 --> 01:20:46,760
Speaker 1: most value to the moment in the conversation. And it's

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01:20:46,800 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 1: turned out that that service has put as positioned me

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01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:52,240
Speaker 1: in a place where I've been able to actually be

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01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:54,240
Speaker 1: in front of a conversation or in front of a

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01:20:54,320 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 1: group and be considered as somebody to be able to be,

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01:20:58,040 --> 01:21:00,760
Speaker 1: you know, to follow into into the fired. You know,

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01:21:00,800 --> 01:21:04,160
Speaker 1: before I was at Forgotten Harvest, my job was as

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01:21:04,439 --> 01:21:08,320
Speaker 1: the grasstop leader for a hard hit community in Detroit

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01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:11,800
Speaker 1: called Brightmore, And you know, I applied the same kind

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01:21:11,840 --> 01:21:16,840
Speaker 1: of fire towards community development and made some change and

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01:21:16,880 --> 01:21:20,599
Speaker 1: made some problems, so you know what I'm saying. And

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01:21:20,680 --> 01:21:22,880
Speaker 1: that got me a role that was pulled into the

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01:21:22,920 --> 01:21:26,599
Speaker 1: Mayor's office as the deputy for Economic Development. And I

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01:21:26,640 --> 01:21:31,960
Speaker 1: think what happened was the powers that be whatever you

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01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:34,759
Speaker 1: want to call it, the cross section of our community

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01:21:34,760 --> 01:21:37,719
Speaker 1: in the business world. I got a chance to see

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01:21:37,760 --> 01:21:40,719
Speaker 1: my my life shining in a lot of different ways

1450
01:21:41,240 --> 01:21:44,640
Speaker 1: as they were looking for the person to fulfill the

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01:21:44,720 --> 01:21:47,559
Speaker 1: role of forgotten the harvest. Um. It wasn't something I

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01:21:47,600 --> 01:21:50,160
Speaker 1: saw in my future, but when I really understood what

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01:21:50,200 --> 01:21:52,240
Speaker 1: it could be, I sat down in the interview when

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01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:55,200
Speaker 1: I gave them everything I had. And I've been doing

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01:21:55,240 --> 01:21:59,120
Speaker 1: that for the last seven years. UM to try to

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01:21:59,160 --> 01:22:01,840
Speaker 1: do that through you know, this road to do the

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01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:04,160
Speaker 1: most I can to continue to change of our community. Man,

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01:22:04,200 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 1: I wish I could tell you a game plan to

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01:22:06,439 --> 01:22:09,800
Speaker 1: get here, but I was just I've just been trying

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01:22:09,800 --> 01:22:11,680
Speaker 1: to do as much as i can to get back

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01:22:11,680 --> 01:22:14,479
Speaker 1: to my people. Well, I tell you, I tell your game.

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01:22:14,600 --> 01:22:16,400
Speaker 1: Then you know, it's like a lot of people because

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01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:18,800
Speaker 1: you're grinder. I call you grinders, people that just put

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01:22:18,800 --> 01:22:21,639
Speaker 1: their head down and they like I always always tell

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01:22:21,640 --> 01:22:23,200
Speaker 1: people when I look back on my life, I've been

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01:22:23,240 --> 01:22:26,360
Speaker 1: doing what I'm doing today since I was eighteen years old, uplifting,

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01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:29,800
Speaker 1: you know, stepping beyond the word asked. I just did

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01:22:29,840 --> 01:22:33,720
Speaker 1: it uh seeing a problem and creating a resolution. And

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01:22:33,840 --> 01:22:36,160
Speaker 1: yes I did rub people the wrong way, but it

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01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:39,360
Speaker 1: was always but I walked away with respect. The thing

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01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:41,000
Speaker 1: about it, when you hear the word rubbing people the

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01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 1: wrong way, these are people don't want to change, and

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01:22:43,560 --> 01:22:46,760
Speaker 1: change is usually tied to putting forth effort. And when

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01:22:46,760 --> 01:22:48,439
Speaker 1: you ask people put forth effort, that means they have

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01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:51,479
Speaker 1: to think about the resolution or the new concept, and

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01:22:51,520 --> 01:22:54,880
Speaker 1: that creates resistance, and that's when you get bumped. And

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01:22:54,920 --> 01:22:57,000
Speaker 1: so when you create resistance, that means you have to

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01:22:57,000 --> 01:22:58,679
Speaker 1: have a plan in place. And that's what he does.

1479
01:22:59,160 --> 01:23:01,960
Speaker 1: She he doesn't create resistance without a plan. And so

1480
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:04,120
Speaker 1: while people are there with their lips stuck out, he's

1481
01:23:04,560 --> 01:23:06,280
Speaker 1: he's so were telling people this is how I could

1482
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:09,559
Speaker 1: be operated or executed. And then they then they calmed

1483
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:11,559
Speaker 1: down and they have to come to the table at

1484
01:23:11,600 --> 01:23:14,800
Speaker 1: least listen to you. And while they're listening, did you

1485
01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:17,960
Speaker 1: have their attention in their ear? And we can move forward?

1486
01:23:18,360 --> 01:23:21,280
Speaker 1: That is who Kurt made it mazes. He may not

1487
01:23:21,400 --> 01:23:24,200
Speaker 1: want to say that one of the piece of the piece.

1488
01:23:24,280 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 1: If you don't agree and I really believe that this

1489
01:23:27,000 --> 01:23:32,479
Speaker 1: is the thing, I build it myself, people like jumping

1490
01:23:32,479 --> 01:23:34,439
Speaker 1: on bad wagon. You might have been the one of

1491
01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:37,639
Speaker 1: the tables said no, no, but if and I'm like, look,

1492
01:23:37,680 --> 01:23:39,840
Speaker 1: let's see if you don't want to if you don't

1493
01:23:39,840 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 1: want to jump down this roller, staying with me, I

1494
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:43,160
Speaker 1: don't gonna do as much as I can. I got

1495
01:23:43,240 --> 01:23:46,800
Speaker 1: enough capacity to build it so that this wagon is

1496
01:23:46,840 --> 01:23:49,400
Speaker 1: wobbling and I'm gonna get somebody else to fix that way.

1497
01:23:49,600 --> 01:23:52,920
Speaker 1: You're gonna by action if you don't believe by word.

1498
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:56,360
Speaker 1: And that's what really is my hidden I think, Joel,

1499
01:23:56,479 --> 01:23:59,720
Speaker 1: I can do it. See I finally got the real

1500
01:23:59,800 --> 01:24:01,680
Speaker 1: cur the pop out in this interview. You just just

1501
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:05,360
Speaker 1: say you move forward. He started pointing at me, telling me,

1502
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:07,640
Speaker 1: if you don't do it, I get the nail and

1503
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:10,800
Speaker 1: the hammer and the sawt I build it myself. And

1504
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 1: that's really what Why are you the CEO? That's all that,

1505
01:24:13,439 --> 01:24:16,080
Speaker 1: That's all I was asking because sometimes along the way,

1506
01:24:16,280 --> 01:24:18,760
Speaker 1: it's your passion, your desire to get out of the

1507
01:24:18,840 --> 01:24:22,040
Speaker 1: way and function as a as a leader. It's why

1508
01:24:22,120 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 1: we're here today. We're talking about Kirk Mays and nineteen

1509
01:24:25,080 --> 01:24:28,320
Speaker 1: Naty for God and Harvest was was founded. Is dedicated

1510
01:24:28,320 --> 01:24:32,880
Speaker 1: to leaving hunger and preventing food waste and for they

1511
01:24:32,960 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 1: deliver a hundred and thirty thousand pounds per day, five

1512
01:24:37,040 --> 01:24:40,160
Speaker 1: days a week to families in need and recently, I

1513
01:24:40,160 --> 01:24:43,040
Speaker 1: shouldn't say recently, within this past year, you guys received

1514
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 1: a twenty five million dollar grant from for Latrobus for kids.

1515
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:48,760
Speaker 1: They Scott walk us through that process and what how

1516
01:24:48,800 --> 01:24:52,599
Speaker 1: would the money will be used and forgotten harvest? Well,

1517
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:57,280
Speaker 1: first it was as absolute blessing, right, so, um, well,

1518
01:24:57,320 --> 01:25:01,280
Speaker 1: many people may not realize is that no process for us.

1519
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:06,519
Speaker 1: This was literally an angel that dropped million dollars on

1520
01:25:06,560 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 1: that lab. And when I found out it was a

1521
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:14,160
Speaker 1: call like literally the decision was already made and it

1522
01:25:14,280 --> 01:25:15,960
Speaker 1: was like one of it was an email that I

1523
01:25:15,960 --> 01:25:19,360
Speaker 1: could have missed, and it was just like, hey, you

1524
01:25:19,439 --> 01:25:21,240
Speaker 1: got a woman that wants to talk to you tomorrow

1525
01:25:21,280 --> 01:25:24,720
Speaker 1: about a gift. And I've gotten anonymous gifts before. So

1526
01:25:24,760 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 1: I get on the phone and she's like is this

1527
01:25:29,240 --> 01:25:31,240
Speaker 1: Kirk Maydom Like yeah, it's like it's Mr Mayzed. This

1528
01:25:31,320 --> 01:25:34,320
Speaker 1: conversation has to be confidential. I'm like, okay, no problem,

1529
01:25:34,360 --> 01:25:37,479
Speaker 1: and she says, do you know who Mackenzie Scott is.

1530
01:25:37,520 --> 01:25:40,439
Speaker 1: I'm like no, I don't, and she's like, well she's

1531
01:25:40,439 --> 01:25:43,800
Speaker 1: an author and missed that another and she didn't tell

1532
01:25:43,840 --> 01:25:47,400
Speaker 1: me about her affiliation with Mr Bezos or nothing like that.

1533
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:51,479
Speaker 1: And then she's like, well, Mr Mays, We've done our

1534
01:25:51,520 --> 01:25:53,920
Speaker 1: research and we've heard about you. So we want to

1535
01:25:53,920 --> 01:25:55,479
Speaker 1: give you a gift. We're gonna give you twenty five

1536
01:25:55,520 --> 01:26:00,519
Speaker 1: million dollars. I was like, what, okay, let's back that up,

1537
01:26:00,560 --> 01:26:04,840
Speaker 1: because numbers, see see see see you you you know, mad,

1538
01:26:04,960 --> 01:26:07,400
Speaker 1: you've heard numbers. You know, we've we've heard twenty dollars,

1539
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:12,400
Speaker 1: a hundred dollars. What somebody says twenty five million dollars

1540
01:26:12,840 --> 01:26:15,639
Speaker 1: to you over the phone with the word give? Where

1541
01:26:15,640 --> 01:26:19,000
Speaker 1: were you ad mentally? I was? I was? I was

1542
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:22,800
Speaker 1: kind of dumbfound because it stopped me because one, I

1543
01:26:22,840 --> 01:26:25,880
Speaker 1: don't think it's ridiculous to say that's the biggest gift

1544
01:26:25,960 --> 01:26:30,599
Speaker 1: I've ever gotten. It's the biggest gifted organization has ever gotten. Um,

1545
01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:33,280
Speaker 1: you know what, you don't understand getting something when you

1546
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:36,439
Speaker 1: didn't go through the process and ask for anything like that.

1547
01:26:36,479 --> 01:26:39,040
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. If somebody came up to

1548
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:41,400
Speaker 1: you and knocked on your door and say, hey, you

1549
01:26:41,520 --> 01:26:44,040
Speaker 1: just want the lottery, here's a hundred million dollars, you

1550
01:26:44,200 --> 01:26:46,000
Speaker 1: kind of be suspicious if you didn't buy that ticket.

1551
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:50,280
Speaker 1: At that point, I was like, are you for real?

1552
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:54,960
Speaker 1: What five million dollars? And I immediately I have to understand,

1553
01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:56,800
Speaker 1: I have to admit I immediately picked up my phone.

1554
01:26:56,800 --> 01:27:00,599
Speaker 1: I was like, McKenzie Scott, who is this. The first

1555
01:27:00,640 --> 01:27:04,599
Speaker 1: thing that came up was Mackenzie Scott value that sixty

1556
01:27:04,600 --> 01:27:08,200
Speaker 1: billion dollars. I put the phone down. I was like, well,

1557
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:14,080
Speaker 1: tell me more. And what she told us was they

1558
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:18,200
Speaker 1: have been she has been going through a process to

1559
01:27:18,439 --> 01:27:22,160
Speaker 1: give away all her her cash. And what she's doing

1560
01:27:22,240 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 1: is she's going through and doing her own assessment of

1561
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:31,320
Speaker 1: organizations and based off a leadership, based off a track record,

1562
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:34,600
Speaker 1: based off an impact, there are certain areas that she

1563
01:27:34,720 --> 01:27:39,479
Speaker 1: actually um It's focused on. And we were one of

1564
01:27:39,800 --> 01:27:44,240
Speaker 1: six thousand plus organizations that got scrutinized, that got boiled down.

1565
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:46,360
Speaker 1: The three hundred and eighty four that got to get

1566
01:27:46,760 --> 01:27:49,280
Speaker 1: it was an absolute honor, one of seven in the

1567
01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:54,640
Speaker 1: state of Michigan. UM and I gotta say, one of

1568
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:58,600
Speaker 1: few brothers in the work out of all food organizations

1569
01:27:58,600 --> 01:28:01,360
Speaker 1: and feeding America is too hundred plus food organizations that

1570
01:28:01,439 --> 01:28:05,479
Speaker 1: be in America, only forty five gotta get right. So

1571
01:28:06,560 --> 01:28:10,160
Speaker 1: it was it was quite a It was quite a

1572
01:28:10,160 --> 01:28:13,880
Speaker 1: head jerking moment because you gotta understand, I'm in the

1573
01:28:13,920 --> 01:28:17,280
Speaker 1: middle of there, in the middle of this pandemic. We

1574
01:28:17,280 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 1: we have a vision for the future that got interrupted

1575
01:28:20,479 --> 01:28:23,160
Speaker 1: because we had to turn to the community to help

1576
01:28:23,360 --> 01:28:26,519
Speaker 1: doing everything we're doing. We have a vision that involves

1577
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:30,439
Speaker 1: us building a brand new facility to really change the

1578
01:28:30,520 --> 01:28:34,160
Speaker 1: way that we systemically actually serve the community. And with

1579
01:28:34,280 --> 01:28:36,320
Speaker 1: everything going on, it's like, how are we gonna do

1580
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:38,519
Speaker 1: all of this? How are we gonna do all of

1581
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:42,400
Speaker 1: this in this moment? And that gift was like the

1582
01:28:45,560 --> 01:28:49,760
Speaker 1: It was more than just help right now, it was

1583
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:55,000
Speaker 1: verification and validation that every decision I made up to

1584
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:58,759
Speaker 1: now I was right that fire, That fire was burning

1585
01:28:58,760 --> 01:29:01,719
Speaker 1: for the right reasons. It's the best award I've ever gotten,

1586
01:29:02,000 --> 01:29:04,760
Speaker 1: and not and not just because of the money. It's

1587
01:29:04,760 --> 01:29:08,400
Speaker 1: the gesture. The gesture, you know what I'm saying, It

1588
01:29:08,479 --> 01:29:13,639
Speaker 1: was backed up by a magnificent dollar amount that right now,

1589
01:29:13,720 --> 01:29:17,519
Speaker 1: what we're doing is you know, you ask how are

1590
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:19,880
Speaker 1: we going to spend the money? You know that starts

1591
01:29:19,920 --> 01:29:22,479
Speaker 1: with conceptually understanding how we look at it, and if

1592
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:26,040
Speaker 1: I can break that down, it's try to do it

1593
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:31,799
Speaker 1: in a short way. First and foremost um the effort

1594
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:35,759
Speaker 1: we're here right now to transform how we deliver food

1595
01:29:35,760 --> 01:29:39,640
Speaker 1: to the community. It's inherent that we have to have

1596
01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:43,280
Speaker 1: a new facility forgotten harvest going out and getting food

1597
01:29:43,320 --> 01:29:46,320
Speaker 1: every day from food providers, but also food coming in

1598
01:29:46,880 --> 01:29:51,160
Speaker 1: from the gross like from the boat and commodity providers.

1599
01:29:51,840 --> 01:29:54,679
Speaker 1: We don't really have a capability inside of our existant

1600
01:29:54,720 --> 01:29:57,080
Speaker 1: warehouse to mix all of that so that everybody can

1601
01:29:57,120 --> 01:29:59,320
Speaker 1: get what I would call an equitable mix of everything

1602
01:29:59,320 --> 01:30:02,360
Speaker 1: we get on the day any basis, those those route

1603
01:30:02,400 --> 01:30:05,559
Speaker 1: drivers go out and actually pick up from each of

1604
01:30:05,560 --> 01:30:07,560
Speaker 1: those grocery stores and they just give to like a

1605
01:30:07,640 --> 01:30:11,840
Speaker 1: three or four community partners on their route. What what

1606
01:30:11,840 --> 01:30:14,400
Speaker 1: what we're gonna do in the future is We're gonna

1607
01:30:14,439 --> 01:30:17,000
Speaker 1: bring everything from every grocery store that we touched, all

1608
01:30:17,040 --> 01:30:19,720
Speaker 1: the farms, all the manufacturers. We're gonna use the processes

1609
01:30:19,800 --> 01:30:23,240
Speaker 1: we have with our volunteers to actually mix all of

1610
01:30:23,240 --> 01:30:26,280
Speaker 1: that stuff so that there's not a line somewhere on

1611
01:30:26,320 --> 01:30:28,519
Speaker 1: the east side of town that only got from those

1612
01:30:28,560 --> 01:30:30,519
Speaker 1: couple of Croker's, a couple of Maya, or a couple

1613
01:30:30,560 --> 01:30:33,479
Speaker 1: of grocery stores, and there's another line over here that

1614
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:36,240
Speaker 1: just getting them from the farms. We want everybody get

1615
01:30:36,240 --> 01:30:38,959
Speaker 1: as much as possible because the nature of food rescue

1616
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:40,960
Speaker 1: is we don't really know what we're gonna get on

1617
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:44,439
Speaker 1: a daily basis, but we get so much that if

1618
01:30:44,439 --> 01:30:46,639
Speaker 1: we mix it all, people will be able to make

1619
01:30:46,680 --> 01:30:48,639
Speaker 1: the right decisions to be able to get the meals

1620
01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:50,479
Speaker 1: they need so they can go home and make and

1621
01:30:50,800 --> 01:30:53,280
Speaker 1: solve the problem of food and security. And I got

1622
01:30:53,280 --> 01:30:56,400
Speaker 1: to talk about that. Food and security for us is

1623
01:30:56,439 --> 01:30:59,280
Speaker 1: a person or a family not knowing what our next

1624
01:30:59,320 --> 01:31:01,800
Speaker 1: meal the future. It is coming from an anxiety that

1625
01:31:01,840 --> 01:31:04,200
Speaker 1: comes from that is that simple. So I use that

1626
01:31:04,280 --> 01:31:07,600
Speaker 1: to hold us, myself and our organization accountable. How do

1627
01:31:07,680 --> 01:31:13,320
Speaker 1: we address that definition and broken into that is knowledge, access, proximity,

1628
01:31:13,400 --> 01:31:16,280
Speaker 1: and then supply. So the way that translates into the

1629
01:31:16,280 --> 01:31:19,280
Speaker 1: way that that forgotten harvest is going to actually transform

1630
01:31:19,320 --> 01:31:21,880
Speaker 1: and address that from a systemic level is we've got

1631
01:31:21,880 --> 01:31:25,400
Speaker 1: to change our communication. We also been looking at and

1632
01:31:25,479 --> 01:31:29,639
Speaker 1: analyzing the distribution territory that we're working in, and we've

1633
01:31:29,680 --> 01:31:33,400
Speaker 1: actually created data systems to help us understand and qualify,

1634
01:31:33,479 --> 01:31:36,519
Speaker 1: but also quantify what food and security actually looks like

1635
01:31:36,800 --> 01:31:40,519
Speaker 1: in our community. We're collecting data from our community UM

1636
01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:43,360
Speaker 1: members that are getting the food so that we can

1637
01:31:43,400 --> 01:31:46,519
Speaker 1: actually now have firsthand information about where people are coming

1638
01:31:46,560 --> 01:31:49,680
Speaker 1: from where some of their health mechanisms are, where some

1639
01:31:49,760 --> 01:31:53,680
Speaker 1: of their particular cultural um preferences may be, and how

1640
01:31:53,760 --> 01:31:57,320
Speaker 1: we could potentially bring food closer to the actual places

1641
01:31:57,320 --> 01:32:00,000
Speaker 1: where people are actually in need instead of just folks

1642
01:32:00,240 --> 01:32:02,640
Speaker 1: on the place where people are picking up the food. So,

1643
01:32:03,080 --> 01:32:07,800
Speaker 1: when we look look at this combination of being able

1644
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:10,560
Speaker 1: to change the way we move plus being able to

1645
01:32:10,640 --> 01:32:13,360
Speaker 1: change the way we think as an organization, for Gotten

1646
01:32:13,400 --> 01:32:17,280
Speaker 1: Harvest is actually transforming into a thinking and data driven organization,

1647
01:32:17,360 --> 01:32:20,599
Speaker 1: and the new facility is actually gonna actually help enable

1648
01:32:20,720 --> 01:32:23,400
Speaker 1: us to make that turn. That's already plan in place.

1649
01:32:24,520 --> 01:32:27,559
Speaker 1: That's already what I was doing, right, and we're already

1650
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:29,920
Speaker 1: raising the money for that. We already got cash coming

1651
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:32,000
Speaker 1: in for that. And then we get this magnificent get

1652
01:32:32,560 --> 01:32:34,640
Speaker 1: from Ms Scott in the middle of all this, and

1653
01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:36,640
Speaker 1: my board is like not what I'm like, Well, yo,

1654
01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:40,320
Speaker 1: were already going deep. So now the question is how

1655
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:42,479
Speaker 1: do we go why? So they are now there's some

1656
01:32:42,520 --> 01:32:45,519
Speaker 1: additional questions that we have about whether the throughput of

1657
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:49,200
Speaker 1: a distribution um outlets that we get the food to

1658
01:32:49,600 --> 01:32:53,920
Speaker 1: actually adequate in their capacity in order to actually start

1659
01:32:53,960 --> 01:32:56,439
Speaker 1: the community. One of the largest challenges in the and

1660
01:32:56,439 --> 01:32:58,280
Speaker 1: and people being able to get the food that they

1661
01:32:58,320 --> 01:32:59,920
Speaker 1: need is to being able to get to the play.

1662
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:02,679
Speaker 1: It's where it is in time. So it's like I said,

1663
01:33:02,720 --> 01:33:05,360
Speaker 1: back to the example I had earlier, If Grandma can

1664
01:33:05,400 --> 01:33:08,400
Speaker 1: only come to the church on Wednesday from tow to

1665
01:33:08,520 --> 01:33:11,400
Speaker 1: four to be able to get food out, what about

1666
01:33:11,400 --> 01:33:14,880
Speaker 1: the working family that can't actually get there. So what

1667
01:33:15,439 --> 01:33:17,840
Speaker 1: we would like to see is a distribution network that

1668
01:33:17,880 --> 01:33:21,880
Speaker 1: has something closer than to retail hours. I'd like to

1669
01:33:21,880 --> 01:33:24,200
Speaker 1: eliminate the line. And the way that I think that

1670
01:33:24,240 --> 01:33:26,559
Speaker 1: we can eliminate that line that that wraps around the

1671
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:28,960
Speaker 1: corner is we need to have places that look a

1672
01:33:28,960 --> 01:33:32,280
Speaker 1: lot more like grocery stores that have hours that are

1673
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:35,599
Speaker 1: a lot more like a retail establishment, but still give

1674
01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:38,679
Speaker 1: food away for free, but still has an actual high

1675
01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:41,760
Speaker 1: quality staff working and they're treating people with dignity and

1676
01:33:41,840 --> 01:33:44,519
Speaker 1: like their customers that people come in there and they

1677
01:33:44,520 --> 01:33:46,240
Speaker 1: go get that food and they go home and they

1678
01:33:46,280 --> 01:33:50,120
Speaker 1: go home with enough variety and enough volume so they

1679
01:33:50,120 --> 01:33:53,040
Speaker 1: can fix that problem and thereby and not have to

1680
01:33:53,080 --> 01:33:57,000
Speaker 1: worry about where the next meal, future meal is coming from.

1681
01:33:57,040 --> 01:34:00,400
Speaker 1: So everything that we do going forward were forgotten Hartists

1682
01:34:00,520 --> 01:34:04,000
Speaker 1: is gonna actually help us actually widen our ability to

1683
01:34:04,040 --> 01:34:07,479
Speaker 1: affect the need that we're addressing. And the next step,

1684
01:34:07,560 --> 01:34:09,839
Speaker 1: I believe is when we move out of the building

1685
01:34:09,840 --> 01:34:12,519
Speaker 1: we're in it was about thirty thousand square feet and

1686
01:34:12,560 --> 01:34:17,160
Speaker 1: move into our seventy seven thousand square foot facility. I

1687
01:34:17,200 --> 01:34:20,519
Speaker 1: want to turn this old facility into into a community

1688
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:23,160
Speaker 1: care center and not only allows people to come in

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01:34:23,560 --> 01:34:26,880
Speaker 1: and shop at their at their regular pace like they

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Speaker 1: will that they went to any grocery store, but check

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Speaker 1: out for free. And before you leave, there's gonna be

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Speaker 1: officers in here where some of our community partners. We

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Speaker 1: don't do this, but we can invite partners in to

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Speaker 1: work on mental health services, housing, get to get get

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Speaker 1: the lights cut on. I want to bring our partners

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Speaker 1: in to do that. So that will be one facility

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01:34:47,120 --> 01:34:51,000
Speaker 1: to come um you know immediately, I mean, and then

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01:34:51,040 --> 01:34:53,880
Speaker 1: we can talk about other ways to expand. But brother,

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01:34:53,920 --> 01:34:57,760
Speaker 1: as you may already know, um, everybody can can't really

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01:34:57,800 --> 01:35:00,760
Speaker 1: absorb the whole vision all that, so I just give

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01:35:00,800 --> 01:35:04,200
Speaker 1: it out there. So we moved to the next stage,

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01:35:04,200 --> 01:35:06,000
Speaker 1: and then we can see the other horizon. We can

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Speaker 1: see the horizon differently once we get down the road.

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01:35:08,880 --> 01:35:11,320
Speaker 1: So that's what it looks like in the short term.

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01:35:11,360 --> 01:35:12,960
Speaker 1: In the midst of all of that, we've got some

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Speaker 1: cash managing to do to make sure we stay in

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01:35:15,040 --> 01:35:17,439
Speaker 1: our position and strength. And I'm gonna continue to just

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01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:19,960
Speaker 1: beat the streets and I love to talk to our communities.

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01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:22,040
Speaker 1: I'm gosta continue to be the street make sure I

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Speaker 1: got the approval and the sanction from our community as

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01:35:25,479 --> 01:35:27,559
Speaker 1: we make this turn. But Kurt, I'm gonna just tell

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Speaker 1: you this, man, thank you for coming on the show.

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Speaker 1: That fire I got to I got to. It warmed me, okay,

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Speaker 1: it warmed me, okay, So I know it's it's it's

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Speaker 1: it's out there warming a lot of people and changing

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01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:41,280
Speaker 1: lives man. And definitely I want to come up there

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Speaker 1: and visit you and Detruge de Charge one of my

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Speaker 1: thousand squarefoot facility, and you're gonna move to the eventual

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Speaker 1: the seven or seven thousand squarefoot facility. And I think

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Speaker 1: you're absolutely right repurposing that old facility into a care center,

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Speaker 1: a life center. I think just basically what you're saying, well,

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Speaker 1: you can you can be educated and nourish, not from

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Speaker 1: from your body, in your head. And that's what we

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Speaker 1: need in these diverse communities that are being undeserved again

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Speaker 1: forgotten the harvest. He is the CEO. I know how

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Speaker 1: you got there. I just had to let you guys

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Speaker 1: hear how he got there and let him drop that

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Speaker 1: harumble veil and tell us this story on money making conversation.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Kurt Mays. We will be right back with

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1766
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Speaker 1: especially coming from soul background gospel background, but I had

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Speaker 1: Money Making Conversations with your host Sean McDonald. Welcome to

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Speaker 1: Money Making Conversation. I am your host, ra Sean McDonald.

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Speaker 1: Like I said every episode, it's time to stop reading

1780
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Speaker 1: other people's success stories and start writing your own. And

1781
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1782
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Speaker 1: My interviews on money making conversation with celebrities, ceo, entrepreneurs,

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Speaker 1: and people I like to call industry decision makers. My

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Speaker 1: next guest is Reggie Butler. Reggie is the founder and

1787
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Speaker 1: CEO or Performance Paradigm LLC and Executive Education Human Capital Consultancy.

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Speaker 1: Its areas of expertise included high performing, high performing team development,

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Speaker 1: organizational change management, diversity and inclusion, which is really important

1790
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Speaker 1: in these days since has become the forefront of all

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Speaker 1: major corporations. Tone of employment and understanding, their color and

1792
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Speaker 1: the way people speak should not be a differentiator. It

1793
01:39:58,240 --> 01:40:02,720
Speaker 1: should be treated as equal. Training, development, workforce retention strategies,

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01:40:02,920 --> 01:40:07,240
Speaker 1: emotional intelligence, and executive coaching. Reggie believes the human connection

1795
01:40:07,760 --> 01:40:11,120
Speaker 1: and understanding that the cornerstone of changing life and behavior.

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01:40:11,400 --> 01:40:14,879
Speaker 1: Wheggie works in collaboration with executive leadership teams to develop

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Speaker 1: and execute strategies to change organizational culture, build leadership bench strength,

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Speaker 1: and increase human capital effectiveness. Please work with the money

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Speaker 1: Making Conversations by Man Reggie Butler. He's on, Reggie, I'm

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Speaker 1: doing well, Man. Good to be with you today. You're

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Speaker 1: doing some important work and you gotta keep doing what

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01:40:32,800 --> 01:40:34,800
Speaker 1: you're doing. We need you in this space to not

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01:40:35,120 --> 01:40:38,000
Speaker 1: stop or back down. Well, I can't back down. And

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01:40:38,120 --> 01:40:40,759
Speaker 1: if I bring individuals on the on the show like you, Reggie,

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Speaker 1: so you can support what I'm trying to do because

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01:40:44,240 --> 01:40:48,080
Speaker 1: you know, uh, you're not both are living a long

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01:40:48,200 --> 01:40:50,559
Speaker 1: life and uh and we live even longer life. But

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01:40:51,000 --> 01:40:55,360
Speaker 1: somewhere along the line, as as people are put qualifiers,

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01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:57,200
Speaker 1: if you haven't done certain things at a certain age,

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01:40:57,240 --> 01:41:00,760
Speaker 1: then you stuff and and and that's where I wanted

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Speaker 1: to talk about initially with you, because that's the whole

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01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:07,599
Speaker 1: part about pushing beyond what you're capable of because people

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01:41:07,640 --> 01:41:10,040
Speaker 1: can limit it. So and you you reach your limit,

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01:41:10,640 --> 01:41:13,800
Speaker 1: talk to us about that. Yeah, So, first of all,

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Speaker 1: I just have this really strong belief that another person's

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01:41:17,439 --> 01:41:20,840
Speaker 1: perception of me shouldn't define where I go. And you

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01:41:20,920 --> 01:41:22,640
Speaker 1: got to think about what that actually looks like. In

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Speaker 1: some spaces, there are people who wind up in careers

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01:41:26,360 --> 01:41:29,360
Speaker 1: or in positions only to find out later in their

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Speaker 1: careers that's not what they wanted to do, where they

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01:41:31,680 --> 01:41:34,400
Speaker 1: wanted to go, where they wanted to be, how they

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01:41:34,400 --> 01:41:36,280
Speaker 1: wanted to do it because they were listening to somebody

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Speaker 1: else's narrative that was based on someone else's perception of

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01:41:41,360 --> 01:41:44,240
Speaker 1: their value or their worth. So I spend time in

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01:41:44,280 --> 01:41:47,160
Speaker 1: this space um trying to get to people to understand

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01:41:47,200 --> 01:41:49,920
Speaker 1: and see things they can't see for themselves, so they

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Speaker 1: not only can explore, but reach whatever next is for

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Speaker 1: them by choice. Do talk about the path of resistance?

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01:41:56,560 --> 01:42:00,559
Speaker 1: Sometimes we live our lives through the past of Lea's resistance. Reggie, Okay,

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01:42:00,960 --> 01:42:04,160
Speaker 1: And that means that, like you said earlier, were relationship

1831
01:42:04,240 --> 01:42:06,280
Speaker 1: we go deep like that. There people in relationship they

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01:42:06,280 --> 01:42:08,519
Speaker 1: should be getting out of, and there are people who

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01:42:08,520 --> 01:42:11,040
Speaker 1: are a job they should be walking away from, but

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01:42:11,120 --> 01:42:13,240
Speaker 1: they stay there out of fear. They stayed out there

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01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:16,200
Speaker 1: because they don't want to hear somebody complaining, and stay

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01:42:16,200 --> 01:42:19,280
Speaker 1: there because they don't want to hear somebody tell them

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01:42:19,360 --> 01:42:23,799
Speaker 1: that they question their decision making. How in your coaching

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01:42:24,320 --> 01:42:26,920
Speaker 1: do you push people past that? Because you're like, you're

1839
01:42:26,920 --> 01:42:29,559
Speaker 1: like a a new modern day therapists. You know you're

1840
01:42:29,560 --> 01:42:35,719
Speaker 1: not putting those on the couch. Yeah, so you know, Rishan,

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01:42:36,080 --> 01:42:37,680
Speaker 1: So first of all, I gotta get people to be

1842
01:42:37,760 --> 01:42:40,800
Speaker 1: honest with themselves, and I take people through you know,

1843
01:42:40,840 --> 01:42:43,960
Speaker 1: a framework. They help them understand what their truth is

1844
01:42:44,479 --> 01:42:47,040
Speaker 1: about how they're seeing the world, what the truth of

1845
01:42:47,120 --> 01:42:49,880
Speaker 1: somebody else is, like managing their perspectives. And then the

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01:42:49,960 --> 01:42:52,479
Speaker 1: highest order I try to get people to is accepting

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01:42:52,479 --> 01:42:54,080
Speaker 1: what they need to accept in order to move forward

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01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:55,720
Speaker 1: and make a difference. So if I view that, if

1849
01:42:55,760 --> 01:42:58,479
Speaker 1: I look at that, there are some people that haven't

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01:42:58,520 --> 01:43:02,360
Speaker 1: accepted what they need to accept about themselves. And one

1851
01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:04,559
Speaker 1: of the big things that people don't accept is that

1852
01:43:04,600 --> 01:43:07,000
Speaker 1: they are much better than anybody else says they are.

1853
01:43:08,080 --> 01:43:10,360
Speaker 1: Because we let people define who we are and what

1854
01:43:10,360 --> 01:43:13,639
Speaker 1: our world and I put people into situations that say,

1855
01:43:13,880 --> 01:43:16,880
Speaker 1: let me show you not only what your worth is,

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01:43:16,920 --> 01:43:20,160
Speaker 1: but you'll be able to articulate that value. Not somebody

1857
01:43:20,200 --> 01:43:22,519
Speaker 1: else do that for you. And once a person starts

1858
01:43:22,520 --> 01:43:25,080
Speaker 1: to accept that, they also start to see those things

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01:43:25,200 --> 01:43:27,120
Speaker 1: that they know they have to move past. And that's

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01:43:27,120 --> 01:43:30,880
Speaker 1: that thing you're talking about about resistance. Resistance comes at

1861
01:43:30,920 --> 01:43:34,680
Speaker 1: you when you are solid and your confidence has no competition.

1862
01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:38,680
Speaker 1: You know that you're confident in yourself and your abilities.

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01:43:39,040 --> 01:43:42,960
Speaker 1: Resistance goes around you go right through it. You've got

1864
01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:44,800
Speaker 1: to get people to see that. You get people to

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01:43:44,800 --> 01:43:47,080
Speaker 1: see that. It's that, it's that, it's that. It's like,

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Speaker 1: that's why a ship has a point, you know, when

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01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:52,599
Speaker 1: it goes to the water. You know, it cuts through

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01:43:52,680 --> 01:43:55,200
Speaker 1: the resistance. That's what you're talking about, you know, And

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01:43:55,360 --> 01:43:57,000
Speaker 1: as it cuts to the resistance, it gets to the

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01:43:57,120 --> 01:44:01,200
Speaker 1: destination a lot faster. Now you've had over twitter was

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Speaker 1: in the Baio. But I'm sure it's more years of

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Speaker 1: experience and delivering this transformative Like I told you, I've

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01:44:07,320 --> 01:44:09,120
Speaker 1: been doing this so as anything, when you really look

1874
01:44:09,160 --> 01:44:12,639
Speaker 1: at it, who you are, you don't really be defined

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01:44:12,720 --> 01:44:15,280
Speaker 1: by the moment you defined out how you were raised

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01:44:15,320 --> 01:44:18,320
Speaker 1: and who put these I'd say, these seeds in you?

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01:44:18,840 --> 01:44:20,760
Speaker 1: Who's put these seeds in you? Let's let's take a

1878
01:44:20,840 --> 01:44:23,599
Speaker 1: journey back a little bit, Reggie, who put these seeds

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01:44:23,600 --> 01:44:26,280
Speaker 1: in you? Yeah? So if I look at I'm gonna

1880
01:44:26,320 --> 01:44:29,000
Speaker 1: start back. So I started off as a classically trained musician,

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01:44:29,080 --> 01:44:33,679
Speaker 1: so classical training pianists, and for years, um I thought

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01:44:33,720 --> 01:44:37,040
Speaker 1: that that was my path. And my father, who was military,

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01:44:37,120 --> 01:44:39,760
Speaker 1: I was raised military. I've never served, but I was

1884
01:44:39,840 --> 01:44:43,599
Speaker 1: raised military and the discipline that he instilled in me

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01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:47,960
Speaker 1: about how to be successful through discipline and doing what's

1886
01:44:48,080 --> 01:44:49,960
Speaker 1: necessary do, but you have to do so you can

1887
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:52,280
Speaker 1: do what you want to do, and instilled that in

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01:44:52,400 --> 01:44:55,599
Speaker 1: me once I had made the decision, with his help

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01:44:55,640 --> 01:44:59,800
Speaker 1: and the help of some other colleagues, that a classically

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01:45:00,080 --> 01:45:04,280
Speaker 1: rain pianist in this body. At that time in my life,

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01:45:04,520 --> 01:45:06,760
Speaker 1: there was a high probability I was not going to

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01:45:06,840 --> 01:45:08,800
Speaker 1: be as successful as I wanted to be because of

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01:45:08,840 --> 01:45:11,960
Speaker 1: the constructs of race around who I was. But my

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01:45:12,000 --> 01:45:14,200
Speaker 1: father looked at me and he says, but that doesn't

1895
01:45:14,240 --> 01:45:18,320
Speaker 1: mean you still can't be a musician like oh and

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01:45:18,360 --> 01:45:23,200
Speaker 1: my mom, wonderful woman that she is. They created what

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01:45:23,320 --> 01:45:25,160
Speaker 1: I'm going to call some of the things you do.

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Speaker 1: They decided to manage my life at a young age

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Speaker 1: of fifteen, had a band. Here I am having a

1900
01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:35,920
Speaker 1: band and fifteen and work and use that bed, played

1901
01:45:35,960 --> 01:45:40,720
Speaker 1: every weekend eleven pm to two am, just doing all

1902
01:45:40,720 --> 01:45:43,640
Speaker 1: the things. But what it taught me was the organization

1903
01:45:43,640 --> 01:45:46,519
Speaker 1: of skills and the discipline of creating a team. Because

1904
01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:49,559
Speaker 1: you know this about music. Music is from my heart

1905
01:45:49,560 --> 01:45:51,559
Speaker 1: and from my soul, but it is the foundation of

1906
01:45:51,640 --> 01:45:54,599
Speaker 1: everything we do. Because that band would not be the

1907
01:45:54,600 --> 01:45:58,120
Speaker 1: band it is and was the music. The music we

1908
01:45:58,200 --> 01:46:00,360
Speaker 1: created would not have landed the way it was posted

1909
01:46:00,439 --> 01:46:03,400
Speaker 1: if we didn't have structure. I was leading that band.

1910
01:46:03,520 --> 01:46:06,200
Speaker 1: So from that it took me all throughout my life.

1911
01:46:06,240 --> 01:46:08,840
Speaker 1: I used those tenants of what it means to create

1912
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Speaker 1: a high performing team, what it means to lead a team,

1913
01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:13,639
Speaker 1: what it means to deal with dysfunction, what it means

1914
01:46:13,640 --> 01:46:16,600
Speaker 1: to deal with change when change change comes up. And

1915
01:46:16,640 --> 01:46:19,160
Speaker 1: I've taken that all the way throughout my professional life.

1916
01:46:19,880 --> 01:46:23,280
Speaker 1: Wound up being so interesting. I wound up was a

1917
01:46:24,000 --> 01:46:28,400
Speaker 1: was a choir director at a church and one of

1918
01:46:28,439 --> 01:46:31,559
Speaker 1: my one of my choir members, said, you realize you

1919
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Speaker 1: have a gift for speaking, Um, you should come, you know,

1920
01:46:35,640 --> 01:46:37,800
Speaker 1: not out of the church, but you should come, you know,

1921
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Speaker 1: speaking in corporate America. I fought. I resisted that forever

1922
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Speaker 1: school teacher, a school teacher I had that means I

1923
01:46:46,360 --> 01:46:49,080
Speaker 1: had twelve months of pay and three months off. I'm like,

1924
01:46:49,160 --> 01:46:52,720
Speaker 1: I'm not messing up this formula. And then realized, you know,

1925
01:46:52,840 --> 01:46:58,000
Speaker 1: after I substitute substituted as an instructor as a trainer

1926
01:46:58,520 --> 01:47:03,560
Speaker 1: UM for this utique firm in Cincinnati, Ohio called Globally

1927
01:47:03,600 --> 01:47:08,080
Speaker 1: Management Consulting. At the time, I'll never forget it. I

1928
01:47:07,840 --> 01:47:12,000
Speaker 1: I gotta check for that day of training that I did.

1929
01:47:12,640 --> 01:47:14,080
Speaker 1: I got it like three or four weeks later. I

1930
01:47:14,120 --> 01:47:15,920
Speaker 1: looked at it, I gave it back. I was like,

1931
01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:19,960
Speaker 1: that's way too much money. That wasn't for me. It's

1932
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:24,640
Speaker 1: like now, teacher, only to realize that what she was

1933
01:47:24,680 --> 01:47:27,840
Speaker 1: trying to introduce me to, which is what everyone has

1934
01:47:27,880 --> 01:47:30,920
Speaker 1: in their life. They have what's called insight humans people

1935
01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:33,280
Speaker 1: that continue to give you insights for things you can't

1936
01:47:33,320 --> 01:47:35,960
Speaker 1: see for yourself. I wind up transitioning from being a

1937
01:47:36,000 --> 01:47:39,840
Speaker 1: school teacher into the corporate space and doing training and development,

1938
01:47:40,000 --> 01:47:43,000
Speaker 1: and at that firm at that time, I had sent

1939
01:47:43,120 --> 01:47:46,000
Speaker 1: it throughout that firm with some great mentors Vincent Brown,

1940
01:47:46,120 --> 01:47:49,439
Speaker 1: Janet Reid, Sam Lynch, John People. All the people that

1941
01:47:49,479 --> 01:47:53,040
Speaker 1: were back at that firm at that time trained me,

1942
01:47:53,040 --> 01:47:55,800
Speaker 1: mentored me, helped me develop the skill that I have

1943
01:47:56,000 --> 01:48:00,000
Speaker 1: now now that I use in my own human capital consultancy.

1944
01:48:00,160 --> 01:48:03,439
Speaker 1: So a lot of people along the way shaped me.

1945
01:48:03,520 --> 01:48:05,559
Speaker 1: And I tell this to people all the time, never

1946
01:48:05,680 --> 01:48:08,840
Speaker 1: forget who shaped you. Right, You didn't get where you

1947
01:48:08,880 --> 01:48:12,400
Speaker 1: are by yourself, and now you owe well you know

1948
01:48:12,479 --> 01:48:16,120
Speaker 1: the thing about it. I agree, that's why because You're

1949
01:48:16,120 --> 01:48:19,519
Speaker 1: a unique individual because you bet on yourself and you

1950
01:48:19,560 --> 01:48:21,920
Speaker 1: can't really tell people how you generate income. You know,

1951
01:48:22,000 --> 01:48:23,800
Speaker 1: you can say it, but they for the average person,

1952
01:48:23,840 --> 01:48:26,240
Speaker 1: can't put the how does he make money? Does he

1953
01:48:26,280 --> 01:48:28,559
Speaker 1: have a ninety five? Does he work Monday through Friday?

1954
01:48:28,960 --> 01:48:31,040
Speaker 1: When does he have off? Does he say vacation? Does

1955
01:48:31,080 --> 01:48:34,719
Speaker 1: he took of insurance? So you're that individual that really

1956
01:48:34,760 --> 01:48:37,240
Speaker 1: steps out use the You're the word a lot on

1957
01:48:37,320 --> 01:48:39,680
Speaker 1: faith and faith to the side to you gifts. But

1958
01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:41,439
Speaker 1: I go back to when you were fifteen year old

1959
01:48:41,479 --> 01:48:44,720
Speaker 1: and fifteen years old and your parents managing you. They

1960
01:48:44,720 --> 01:48:47,920
Speaker 1: were shaping the gift because I know the power of

1961
01:48:47,960 --> 01:48:51,240
Speaker 1: music because I was played B flat clarinet. I played

1962
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Speaker 1: tennant saxophone, so I knew that. I know the power

1963
01:48:54,120 --> 01:48:59,080
Speaker 1: of music. Music is so incredible from from an intellectual

1964
01:48:59,160 --> 01:49:02,160
Speaker 1: and also from a discipline standpoint. And as we see

1965
01:49:02,200 --> 01:49:05,600
Speaker 1: you today, I'm seeing that same discipline. I'm seeing that

1966
01:49:05,720 --> 01:49:09,800
Speaker 1: same skill set up live performances. I'm watching it right

1967
01:49:09,800 --> 01:49:12,479
Speaker 1: now that we're just incubated into you at such an

1968
01:49:12,520 --> 01:49:17,680
Speaker 1: early age. Now is translating those gifts. And I see you, Reginald,

1969
01:49:18,120 --> 01:49:21,240
Speaker 1: and I can call your Reginald your parents, but it's

1970
01:49:21,240 --> 01:49:24,599
Speaker 1: Reggie Butler. Excuse me for stepping out into that parent land.

1971
01:49:25,120 --> 01:49:27,559
Speaker 1: But I want to just say that in talking to you,

1972
01:49:28,640 --> 01:49:32,400
Speaker 1: how do you get people to understand their value? Because

1973
01:49:32,439 --> 01:49:35,559
Speaker 1: you're in a human capital and sometimes and I want

1974
01:49:35,600 --> 01:49:37,960
Speaker 1: to just say this real quick before we get this clear.

1975
01:49:38,400 --> 01:49:40,679
Speaker 1: We can blame a lot of issues on the company

1976
01:49:40,720 --> 01:49:43,160
Speaker 1: we work for. We can blame a lot of issues

1977
01:49:43,200 --> 01:49:45,800
Speaker 1: on race, We can bring a lot of issues on

1978
01:49:45,840 --> 01:49:49,120
Speaker 1: a gender, but the core are making that change has

1979
01:49:49,160 --> 01:49:53,120
Speaker 1: to start with how we value ourselves. That's right, talk

1980
01:49:53,200 --> 01:49:57,120
Speaker 1: to us. Yeah, And so one of the frames trying

1981
01:49:57,120 --> 01:49:59,479
Speaker 1: to put people through, so there's two ways to look

1982
01:49:59,520 --> 01:50:01,960
Speaker 1: at it. One way is to look at your lived

1983
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:05,080
Speaker 1: experiences and the comfort zone radius you have around your

1984
01:50:05,120 --> 01:50:07,280
Speaker 1: lived experience. So let's say you grew up in a

1985
01:50:07,360 --> 01:50:10,640
Speaker 1: dual family household, you you went to college. You have

1986
01:50:10,720 --> 01:50:12,840
Speaker 1: all these lived experiences that shape who you are and

1987
01:50:12,880 --> 01:50:16,840
Speaker 1: give you the messages. That's that's only one version of

1988
01:50:16,880 --> 01:50:20,600
Speaker 1: the lived experiences. We occupy and cohabitate a world with

1989
01:50:20,640 --> 01:50:24,040
Speaker 1: people that have very different lived experiences. And so how

1990
01:50:24,120 --> 01:50:26,080
Speaker 1: you find your value is you look at the comfort

1991
01:50:26,200 --> 01:50:29,560
Speaker 1: zone radius you have around your own life, your lived experiences,

1992
01:50:29,800 --> 01:50:32,040
Speaker 1: and you overlay that on the people that you need

1993
01:50:32,080 --> 01:50:34,320
Speaker 1: to interact with to get you to next or to

1994
01:50:34,400 --> 01:50:37,120
Speaker 1: be in service as somebody else, and you look up,

1995
01:50:37,160 --> 01:50:40,800
Speaker 1: you step back one day and go, I actually have

1996
01:50:40,880 --> 01:50:43,519
Speaker 1: a purpose, like I'm supposed to be here in this

1997
01:50:43,560 --> 01:50:48,280
Speaker 1: space doing this thing because it serves something. Tell people

1998
01:50:48,400 --> 01:50:52,479
Speaker 1: all the time, always be in service of changing an outcome,

1999
01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:56,360
Speaker 1: not in service of yourself. Some people get um bristle

2000
01:50:56,439 --> 01:50:59,160
Speaker 1: at that because they start to think of themselves, Well,

2001
01:50:59,160 --> 01:51:02,400
Speaker 1: that's just being self I'm saying. It's not about being

2002
01:51:02,439 --> 01:51:05,639
Speaker 1: selfish or not being selfish. But when you live through

2003
01:51:05,640 --> 01:51:10,519
Speaker 1: the lens of who are you helping what or what

2004
01:51:10,520 --> 01:51:14,479
Speaker 1: what condition are you improving, you live a much you

2005
01:51:14,520 --> 01:51:17,519
Speaker 1: live a much richer life. And that's where you start

2006
01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:19,479
Speaker 1: to look back at yourself and say, now I know

2007
01:51:19,520 --> 01:51:23,000
Speaker 1: what my value proposition is. One thing I tell entrepreneurs

2008
01:51:23,040 --> 01:51:28,120
Speaker 1: all the time, don't negotiate your price and then go blah,

2009
01:51:28,120 --> 01:51:30,000
Speaker 1: But I have to because negotiation is part of the thing.

2010
01:51:30,040 --> 01:51:32,640
Speaker 1: It's like, every time you leave with the negotiation, that

2011
01:51:32,680 --> 01:51:34,639
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that means you don't know what you're worth.

2012
01:51:35,320 --> 01:51:38,760
Speaker 1: You know what you're worth first and then negotiate from that,

2013
01:51:39,560 --> 01:51:41,840
Speaker 1: and negotiation from that could be but then I must

2014
01:51:41,840 --> 01:51:44,919
Speaker 1: not be your person for today because you can't afford you.

2015
01:51:45,720 --> 01:51:49,439
Speaker 1: But that people have to You have to get there first.

2016
01:51:49,960 --> 01:51:53,680
Speaker 1: And it's not doesn't happen by accident. It's very intentional.

2017
01:51:53,760 --> 01:51:56,000
Speaker 1: And what I'm trying to get people to really understand

2018
01:51:56,040 --> 01:51:58,240
Speaker 1: Brushan and you, of all people, I know, you know

2019
01:51:58,320 --> 01:52:01,480
Speaker 1: this that different people because that they're different life experiences.

2020
01:52:01,560 --> 01:52:03,920
Speaker 1: I think there's only one or two ways to do things.

2021
01:52:04,080 --> 01:52:07,400
Speaker 1: It's not true. There are multiple ways to get to

2022
01:52:07,439 --> 01:52:11,200
Speaker 1: certain locations. There's it's not just one way. And you

2023
01:52:11,240 --> 01:52:15,960
Speaker 1: have to own this thing called change. And I even

2024
01:52:16,000 --> 01:52:18,639
Speaker 1: took this. Most recently I've started doing it. I've created

2025
01:52:18,840 --> 01:52:22,680
Speaker 1: a module again using music. Uh that's called find your

2026
01:52:22,760 --> 01:52:26,360
Speaker 1: Rhythm and find your Rhythm. It literally is about any

2027
01:52:26,479 --> 01:52:29,640
Speaker 1: change management principle and organizational designs and things like that.

2028
01:52:29,680 --> 01:52:31,760
Speaker 1: What people have to do is find their rhythm. So

2029
01:52:31,800 --> 01:52:33,680
Speaker 1: I want you to think about people who because of

2030
01:52:33,680 --> 01:52:36,519
Speaker 1: the pandemic. You know, there's three pandemics out there. There's

2031
01:52:36,560 --> 01:52:40,560
Speaker 1: the health pandemic, there's a racial pandemic, there's an economic pandemic.

2032
01:52:41,280 --> 01:52:43,640
Speaker 1: And in the last fifteen months, we've seen people have

2033
01:52:43,720 --> 01:52:47,519
Speaker 1: to deal with that, that those pandemics and they've lost

2034
01:52:47,600 --> 01:52:50,120
Speaker 1: their rhythm. Now everybody's talking about it, let's go back

2035
01:52:50,120 --> 01:52:52,680
Speaker 1: to work, and people up going back to work, Like,

2036
01:52:52,760 --> 01:52:55,639
Speaker 1: how do you find your rhythm to get back into

2037
01:52:55,720 --> 01:52:58,040
Speaker 1: what I tell people to stop saying, which is the

2038
01:52:58,160 --> 01:53:03,160
Speaker 1: new normal? Stop it, Stop saying the new normal because

2039
01:53:03,200 --> 01:53:06,280
Speaker 1: most of you didn't like the last normal and we're

2040
01:53:06,280 --> 01:53:08,160
Speaker 1: about to go. So you have to find your rhythm.

2041
01:53:08,320 --> 01:53:11,599
Speaker 1: And it's not returned to work, it's returned to life.

2042
01:53:12,800 --> 01:53:14,360
Speaker 1: You know when I want to want to deal with that.

2043
01:53:14,800 --> 01:53:16,559
Speaker 1: You know when I hear you say that, you know

2044
01:53:16,680 --> 01:53:20,360
Speaker 1: I did the thing that because I've been fortunate in

2045
01:53:20,360 --> 01:53:23,360
Speaker 1: my life. I worked for the post Office, I work

2046
01:53:23,439 --> 01:53:25,519
Speaker 1: for IBM, so I've worked a fort the hour shift.

2047
01:53:25,560 --> 01:53:27,920
Speaker 1: I don't understand hourly wage. You understand how to work

2048
01:53:27,960 --> 01:53:31,519
Speaker 1: over time. And then the process of individual and a

2049
01:53:31,680 --> 01:53:34,320
Speaker 1: personal job frustration because you deal with a lot of

2050
01:53:34,760 --> 01:53:39,320
Speaker 1: individuals who live in at forty hours structure. Because we're

2051
01:53:39,360 --> 01:53:42,599
Speaker 1: gonna talk about Google contracts you just recently to develop

2052
01:53:42,680 --> 01:53:46,479
Speaker 1: their own diversity, equity and inclusion programs. I talked about

2053
01:53:46,479 --> 01:53:48,800
Speaker 1: that because when you come in and do a program

2054
01:53:48,920 --> 01:53:52,560
Speaker 1: like that, there has to be two sides of this development.

2055
01:53:52,680 --> 01:53:57,360
Speaker 1: That has been an acknowledgement that just because of you

2056
01:53:57,439 --> 01:53:59,519
Speaker 1: feel that another person always. Let me just share this

2057
01:53:59,600 --> 01:54:01,280
Speaker 1: quick story with you, right quick. When I did I

2058
01:54:01,600 --> 01:54:04,840
Speaker 1: m um, I got hired with two other white guys,

2059
01:54:05,400 --> 01:54:09,519
Speaker 1: and I came in simultaneously, and my supervisor asked me, oh,

2060
01:54:09,640 --> 01:54:12,479
Speaker 1: my goal? What I want to do? And I told

2061
01:54:12,520 --> 01:54:15,080
Speaker 1: him I didn't know at the time. Okay, he said, okay,

2062
01:54:15,120 --> 01:54:17,639
Speaker 1: whenever you figured out, Rashan, come back and I coming

2063
01:54:17,800 --> 01:54:21,040
Speaker 1: just tell me that my door's open. Well too much

2064
01:54:21,080 --> 01:54:23,640
Speaker 1: went by. Three months went by. I still hadn't went

2065
01:54:23,680 --> 01:54:26,679
Speaker 1: back in that door, and the white guys started getting

2066
01:54:26,760 --> 01:54:29,840
Speaker 1: other assignments, and guess what. I started huddling up with

2067
01:54:29,960 --> 01:54:32,200
Speaker 1: my Hey, this is wrong. It's a racial thing going

2068
01:54:32,240 --> 01:54:35,000
Speaker 1: on here, Rachiel. What's going on here? And I went

2069
01:54:35,000 --> 01:54:37,720
Speaker 1: and storming in that office and set down with my supervisor. Hey, man,

2070
01:54:37,800 --> 01:54:40,560
Speaker 1: look we started at the same time. Why are they

2071
01:54:40,640 --> 01:54:45,400
Speaker 1: doing more than I am doing? He said. Rashaan, I

2072
01:54:45,440 --> 01:54:47,760
Speaker 1: asked you on your first day, what were your goals?

2073
01:54:48,240 --> 01:54:49,480
Speaker 1: What did you want to do with this company? You

2074
01:54:49,560 --> 01:54:51,640
Speaker 1: told me you're gonna get back with me when they

2075
01:54:51,720 --> 01:54:54,560
Speaker 1: got back with me that their very first day, and

2076
01:54:54,600 --> 01:54:57,960
Speaker 1: they're only doing the things that they I'm helping them

2077
01:54:57,960 --> 01:54:59,600
Speaker 1: do the things that they say they wanted to complish.

2078
01:54:59,600 --> 01:55:01,920
Speaker 1: That the copy I say that, to put that statement

2079
01:55:01,960 --> 01:55:03,880
Speaker 1: out in front of you, just say, I'm not gonna

2080
01:55:03,920 --> 01:55:06,480
Speaker 1: point in their fingers on this, Reggie, I'm gonna tell

2081
01:55:06,520 --> 01:55:08,520
Speaker 1: you I've been the I want to say, the person

2082
01:55:08,560 --> 01:55:12,040
Speaker 1: who sitting in the corner mad, but I didn't do

2083
01:55:12,160 --> 01:55:16,000
Speaker 1: my job, So who am I mad at? So that

2084
01:55:16,120 --> 01:55:18,000
Speaker 1: now you have to come in with a company like

2085
01:55:18,080 --> 01:55:21,920
Speaker 1: Google try to change the environment. But no, there are

2086
01:55:22,040 --> 01:55:25,400
Speaker 1: some rushawn shitting out there who had told Google or

2087
01:55:25,520 --> 01:55:30,080
Speaker 1: darn thing about what they want to do. Yeah, and

2088
01:55:30,120 --> 01:55:32,520
Speaker 1: I will tell you one of the things. So there

2089
01:55:32,520 --> 01:55:36,120
Speaker 1: are a lot of companies in the portfolios, you know,

2090
01:55:36,120 --> 01:55:40,280
Speaker 1: always from big tech and healthcare and retail and you know,

2091
01:55:40,320 --> 01:55:43,840
Speaker 1: professional services, automotive, all the things. But here's here's what

2092
01:55:43,880 --> 01:55:46,960
Speaker 1: happens when you have an organization that that's big, like

2093
01:55:46,960 --> 01:55:50,400
Speaker 1: like a Google. They had the resources to actually investigate

2094
01:55:50,440 --> 01:55:53,880
Speaker 1: and use data to actually drive towards the source of

2095
01:55:53,920 --> 01:55:57,240
Speaker 1: what the issue is. So they had a hypothesis that

2096
01:55:57,320 --> 01:56:01,240
Speaker 1: the people that are black Latin x UM and women

2097
01:56:01,400 --> 01:56:04,680
Speaker 1: are having different lived experiences inside the organization, and instead

2098
01:56:04,680 --> 01:56:07,880
Speaker 1: of going to the mad Rushians, instead of going to

2099
01:56:07,920 --> 01:56:10,520
Speaker 1: the people in the organization and trying to focus on

2100
01:56:10,600 --> 01:56:12,840
Speaker 1: making them feel better, they decided, let's go to the

2101
01:56:12,840 --> 01:56:17,360
Speaker 1: manager population who makes decisions about them every day and

2102
01:56:17,400 --> 01:56:20,400
Speaker 1: get them to understand that the lived experiences aren't the same.

2103
01:56:21,680 --> 01:56:24,440
Speaker 1: And it was It's amazing when a when an organization

2104
01:56:24,920 --> 01:56:28,520
Speaker 1: understands that it's about shifting the culture, not changing the people.

2105
01:56:29,760 --> 01:56:32,080
Speaker 1: And that's what I do at the firm. We actually

2106
01:56:32,080 --> 01:56:35,280
Speaker 1: work across change management, but we do it through the

2107
01:56:35,360 --> 01:56:38,720
Speaker 1: lens of culture. So if there's a people issue to address,

2108
01:56:39,120 --> 01:56:41,560
Speaker 1: we address it through the culture. We don't address it

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Speaker 1: through the people. We address it through the culture. And

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Speaker 1: sometimes the culture will will dictate to us after we

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Speaker 1: do some audit or something like that. It's that to

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Speaker 1: find out where where is the issue, where is the problem?

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Speaker 1: Let's solve it and so what we what we wind

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Speaker 1: up doing, which is why the Ford's article we got highlighted.

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Speaker 1: We we created a very experiential program that was the

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Speaker 1: at the intersection of understanding the experience of black and

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Speaker 1: brown people, of women and anybody that was in an

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Speaker 1: underrepresented group and taking it through the lens of art.

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Speaker 1: So we use performance artists, we use singers, we use musicians,

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Speaker 1: we use drummers, we use interpretive dancers, same type of

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Speaker 1: diversity training that most people would say, So let's talk

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Speaker 1: about what it's like to be black here at this organization.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about what it's like. Instead of just talking

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Speaker 1: to them, we showed them. We created an experience. So

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Speaker 1: just think you have a room of dominant culture people,

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Speaker 1: mostly white, sitting there trying to understand what is like

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Speaker 1: to be somebody that's not them, that doesn't have the

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Speaker 1: lived experience they do. But the way they get the

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Speaker 1: message it's through through art. So we have someone curate

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Speaker 1: an art piece and explain why this piece of art

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Speaker 1: was done and the reason it was done because this

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Speaker 1: person feels invisible and that's why this piece of art

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Speaker 1: looks like that. We would then turn to the audience

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Speaker 1: and say, is there anybody on your team that feels

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Speaker 1: like they are invisible? And what's that reason? Can you

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Speaker 1: do anything about it? It's so different. We took some

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Speaker 1: survey results. This was one of one of the most

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Speaker 1: interesting things. You know, how you do these inclusions or

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Speaker 1: every organization that's surveys to see how the people there

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Speaker 1: people feel. And one of the questions was about inclusion.

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Speaker 1: Do you feel like you feel included? And the score

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Speaker 1: was was pretty low. We took some of the comments

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Speaker 1: from the survey that said, this is what it feels

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Speaker 1: like for me to be here, I don't feel like

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Speaker 1: I'm seeing etcetera, etcetera. We took those comments, we strung

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Speaker 1: them together, put a music bed under it, and then

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Speaker 1: had dancers do interpret the dance to it to show

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Speaker 1: the emotion. Because as long as it's just data in

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Speaker 1: one dimension on a page, in a survey, in a spreadsheet,

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Speaker 1: you can't feel that. So we created a story and

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Speaker 1: the narrative that allowed people to feel. That's the next

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Speaker 1: space we sit in. I am rush and you know this.

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Speaker 1: You can talk and complain all you want and who

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Speaker 1: you get somebody to feel mean, connect the emotion with

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Speaker 1: the intellect. You won't get changed to happen, you know,

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Speaker 1: And you're absolutely correct, And because this is what this

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Speaker 1: interview is about. Change, also about acceptance, also about recognizing,

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Speaker 1: like you said, you're not invisible and and and so

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Speaker 1: you know being that I I've walked these different lanes

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Speaker 1: and entertainment, you know, and you uh, the corporate where

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Speaker 1: I've been an entrepreneur. And then but that work space,

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Speaker 1: that's really the key dynamic, especially have working remotely, that's

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Speaker 1: the that's the that's the other part of the conversation.

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Speaker 1: Maybe you broke down the three that working remotely now

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Speaker 1: also leads to damage because of the fact that how

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Speaker 1: do you how do you properly supervise somebody who's working

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Speaker 1: from home? How do you properly promote somebody who's working

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Speaker 1: from home? Which creates another ant? And am I being

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Speaker 1: treated right? Am I gonna get a proper recognition for

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Speaker 1: the work I'm producing? Your world has gotten even more

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Speaker 1: complicated in a good way. That's right. With the remote tool,

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Speaker 1: there's suddenly been thrown into your little two box. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I've got I have no charge of examples of people

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Speaker 1: doing the un ramped back into work. So you do

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Speaker 1: realize that, I think everybody knows it. So a lot

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Speaker 1: of companies actually experienced exponential growth over the last fifteen months,

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Speaker 1: and they hired a lot of people virtually and they

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Speaker 1: never met them, so they have to deal with that.

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Speaker 1: Then you have some companies that decided, hey, I didn't

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Speaker 1: know this flexible work thing was actually gonna work, and

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Speaker 1: now there's working, I don't need him to come back

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Speaker 1: and need him to stay home. Okay, So now you

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Speaker 1: got that population, then you have the what everybody's saying

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Speaker 1: is the hybrid population where your own rotation that comes

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Speaker 1: to the building, but you only have to come in

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Speaker 1: for two days and you have to rotate with somebody else.

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Speaker 1: Now you've got a manager who's never ever had to

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Speaker 1: do that before. They don't know how to do that,

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Speaker 1: and they are ill equipped. They're they're well intended though,

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Speaker 1: because they are trying. And what we try to do

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Speaker 1: was put some framing around to say just the just

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Speaker 1: all of the different versions and iterations you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: to go through. Do not look for a new normal soon.

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Speaker 1: Because it's a phased approach. You still have to create

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Speaker 1: human connection and you have to do it through screens.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you. I give you a tip. I

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Speaker 1: told the manager the other day, I said, when you

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Speaker 1: everybody's back, you've been doing all these things, would you

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Speaker 1: stop asking people on Mondays how their weekend was. It's

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Speaker 1: not inclusive? What are you talking about? I said, think

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Speaker 1: about the pandemic all of them. Do you realize that

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Speaker 1: some people the last thing they want to talk about

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Speaker 1: what they had to deal with on the weekend. I

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Speaker 1: lost somebody to COVID, I'm going through a divorce, my

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Speaker 1: friends are out of jobs. I'm still trumping my still

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Speaker 1: doing zoom school. But I hear some of my colleagues

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Speaker 1: on the car when you ask what did you do

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Speaker 1: over the weekend, They's like, oh, I was able to

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Speaker 1: go high game. I feel so much better now. It's like,

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Speaker 1: that's not my experience. I'm telling managers now, pay attention

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Speaker 1: to the questions you asked. A much better question is

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Speaker 1: not how is your weekend? A better question as a

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Speaker 1: leader right now is to say, what's important to you

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Speaker 1: this week? And how can I help? And also it

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Speaker 1: was important how are you doing? That's important too, because

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Speaker 1: what happens is The interesting thing about the work and

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Speaker 1: at home dynamic Reggie, as we wrapped us up, is

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Speaker 1: that you got kids. You might have a wife running

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Speaker 1: around in the background, you might have a dog barking.

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Speaker 1: You might you know, your electrician might show up at

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Speaker 1: the same time that your beetings going over your zoom call.

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Speaker 1: It's bringing on a whole slew of dynamics that can

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Speaker 1: make you look unprofessional, which can in turn impact how

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Speaker 1: you think you're being perceived by the company that's hiring you.

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Speaker 1: So when you lay out these shields and when you

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Speaker 1: when you get hired by our company like Google, like

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Speaker 1: I said, they brought you in, and you use these

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Speaker 1: bigger words diversity, training, equity, inclusion, that's a lot to

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Speaker 1: put on your plate. How do you how do you

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Speaker 1: not replicate because every every situation different. Always health companies,

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Speaker 1: you you don't bring the same model in. How do

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Speaker 1: you bring a model in? And how do you survey

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Speaker 1: the right approach to that particular company's needs. Well, some

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Speaker 1: of it is is most companies already have identified what

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Speaker 1: the problem is. They're still working on this source. So

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Speaker 1: we try to go in and say, I don't need

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Speaker 1: you to do new work with me. I don't need

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Speaker 1: you to go look up stuff that you've already looked up.

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Speaker 1: I need to start where you are and which I

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Speaker 1: try to get. Uh, you know, companies, businesses, people's individuals

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Speaker 1: start where you are, not where you were right. Way

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Speaker 1: too many people going well, let's go back and let's

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Speaker 1: study the past so we can figure out how to

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Speaker 1: deal with now. And I'm going, can we start with

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Speaker 1: now and focus on the future. Think about the past

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Speaker 1: already happened. You have so much data, so much surveys.

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Speaker 1: How much data do you need to know that things

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Speaker 1: are just a little messed up and that there is

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Speaker 1: an answer. Let's go with what we know and move forward.

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Speaker 1: I tell people all the time, create forward momentum. If

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Speaker 1: you're not creating forward momentum, you're holding things back. Answer

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Speaker 1: the question every single day, what did I do this

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Speaker 1: this week that created traction and momentum. I call it

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Speaker 1: the irrelevancy paradigm. You spend a lot of energy on

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Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. You do a lot of actions.

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Speaker 1: If it's not having any impact and you're not creating

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Speaker 1: any momentum, then make the business choice and the human

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Speaker 1: choice to stop focusing energy on it. Focus on where

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Speaker 1: you create momentum. You're standing there, and it's engaging me

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Speaker 1: so much because you probably know that yourself. You know,

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Speaker 1: I've never interviewed anybody's standing. That is so important and

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Speaker 1: so powerful because I feel like you're communicating with me.

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Speaker 1: I feel like that if you extended your hand right now,

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Speaker 1: read you, I would probably how I'd probably stand my

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Speaker 1: hands trying to shake it because it feels so natural.

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Speaker 1: You feel me. So if if you're doing it like this,

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Speaker 1: keep doing it like this. This is fantastic. You're very

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Speaker 1: welcoming personality. You feel with the world world of information.

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Speaker 1: I will be the first to lie or whatever you do.

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Speaker 1: Send me your flyers, send me all your information so

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Speaker 1: I can put it on my social media. And let's

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Speaker 1: keep building your brand and also changing lives, because that's

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Speaker 1: what you're doing. You're changing black and brown people. We're good.

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Speaker 1: We're good man, and you keep doing what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: I'm telling you what you do matters. I know you

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Speaker 1: may not get that a lot, but I'm telling you

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Speaker 1: it does work. I don't care. I don't care what

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