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Speaker 2: join part of the Giants Podcast Network's.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Litle Podcast, brought

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Speaker 3: to you by Citizens, the official bank of the New

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Speaker 3: York Football Giants. I am John Schmult, Thank you for

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Speaker 3: being with us today. Everybody we welcome in a I

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Speaker 3: think third or fourth time guest. You might know him

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Speaker 3: NFL Network, but if you're a little bit older like me,

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Speaker 3: you'll know him as Super Bowl champion and Pro Football

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Speaker 3: Hall of Famer Kurt Warner. Kurt, it's good to see

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Speaker 3: you man. Thanks for being with us again. And once

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Speaker 3: a Giant, always a Giant.

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Speaker 2: Got it. Good to see you as well.

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Speaker 1: All right, Kurt, let's get into it.

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Speaker 3: The Giants decided to trade up into the first round

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Speaker 3: to draft Jackson Dark. Before we get into Jackson specifically,

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Speaker 3: I gotta admit I've referenced our conversation last year before

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Speaker 3: the draft, probably more than any other one we've had

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Speaker 3: here on our Giants Hottle podcast, and the lesson that

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Speaker 3: I learned from you last year. As we were talking

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Speaker 3: about Jayden Daniels and I said to you, Kurt, you know,

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Speaker 3: he just doesn't throw over the middle of a ton.

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Speaker 3: And you said to me, John knock a quarterback. If

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Speaker 3: you don't know if his quarterback was asking him to

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Speaker 3: do that, he might have been not have been asked

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Speaker 1: And I just thought that was a really valuable lesson.

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Speaker 3: Kind of give that back to you and say thank you,

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Speaker 3: because I think we all learn watching Jamee Tangils this year.

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Speaker 1: He could do that pretty darn well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, he was phenomenal this year. And again,

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Speaker 2: you know, it's one of the hardest things about, you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm not a huge draft guy because I do believe

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Speaker 2: so much of it is just projection. We don't know

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Speaker 2: couple of years ago to c J. Stroud. I thought

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Speaker 2: Now you have to try to determine, Okay, does he

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Speaker 2: it's really really hard with a lot of these guys,

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Speaker 2: And it's why it's such an inexact science.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think, and then we'll get to

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Speaker 3: I think this is why the Giants take the process

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Speaker 3: So seriously, I had a long conversation with Joe Shane

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Speaker 1: You can have the best arm in the world. If

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Speaker 2: And so there's even layers to that where it's nice

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Speaker 2: It's just now I know. So now I'm going to

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Speaker 2: You know that we can say whatever we want and

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Speaker 2: Bottom line is, we don't know until we know. We

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Speaker 2: with the complexity of what they're seeing and they can actually,

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Speaker 3: Okay, so now let's get into darts specifically, and to

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Speaker 3: And you talk about how so many of these plays

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Speaker 3: it's either the they run that play where the flag

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Speaker 2: Well, some of the things. You know, they did a

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Speaker 2: I thought he was one of the better intermediate throwers

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Speaker 2: So so there were things that I definitely liked about

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Speaker 1: Puddle up, get in here. If you're lined up here,

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Speaker 2: guy comes over here and now it's two on one,

434
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Speaker 2: or you know, or we read it wrong. Whatever that

435
00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:23,400
Speaker 2: always happened. What you're trying to look for is consistency

436
00:19:23,880 --> 00:19:26,879
Speaker 2: when you're seeing the same play over and over again, like, okay,

437
00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:29,639
Speaker 2: how often is he reading this right? You know it is?

438
00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,240
Speaker 2: His eyes are his eyes on the safety to see

439
00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:34,040
Speaker 2: if the safety holds on the corner. So we could

440
00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:36,439
Speaker 2: throw the post over the top and some of those things,

441
00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,480
Speaker 2: and then especially in critical moments, and that was kind

442
00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:41,359
Speaker 2: of what I was pointing out in that game. And

443
00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,640
Speaker 2: again we could have probably pulled up another game where

444
00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:46,080
Speaker 2: he was better in the critical moments, but that was

445
00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:48,480
Speaker 2: a game they were down he was forced to have

446
00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,000
Speaker 2: to throw to bring them back, and I thought he

447
00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:54,320
Speaker 2: made you know, a number of just really questionable like

448
00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,080
Speaker 2: I couldn't quite figure out, like why why are you

449
00:19:57,200 --> 00:19:59,840
Speaker 2: throwing this one up when the safety did absolutely not

450
00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,800
Speaker 2: thing on the snap and he's just standing back there,

451
00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,120
Speaker 2: you know, Or the late interception where he just kind

452
00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:07,800
Speaker 2: of throws it down the sideline where there's only a

453
00:20:07,800 --> 00:20:11,159
Speaker 2: defender there, there's no you know. So yeah, again, I

454
00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:13,439
Speaker 2: thought he did a good job in the tape that

455
00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,879
Speaker 2: I watched of making those throws. But I want to

456
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Speaker 2: know in the most critical moments, you're going to make

457
00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,679
Speaker 2: the best decisions that you make throughout the course of

458
00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,560
Speaker 2: the game in those moments. And I didn't necessarily see

459
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Speaker 2: it in the game that I broke down, you know,

460
00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:28,920
Speaker 2: in one of those games that was a tighter game,

461
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Speaker 2: or when they were down late. So it's just again

462
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Speaker 2: when when you know, I tweeted not too long ago,

463
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Speaker 2: just you know, this idea in college what's so hard too,

464
00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:41,879
Speaker 2: is there's there's not there's a lack of parody in

465
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Speaker 2: college and so when you play for Ole Miss, you know,

466
00:20:47,359 --> 00:20:50,040
Speaker 2: eight games out of twelve, you're going to be the

467
00:20:50,080 --> 00:20:54,480
Speaker 2: better football team across the board. Maybe the quarterback, yeah,

468
00:20:54,520 --> 00:20:57,119
Speaker 2: maybe even more. Right, So the quarterback doesn't have to

469
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Speaker 2: be great. Yes you have to make plays, and yes

470
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Speaker 2: you have to, but the margin of there is going

471
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Speaker 2: to be greater because your guys are better than their

472
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Speaker 2: guys are. And so, you know, when you get into

473
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Speaker 2: those critical tight games and you're not used to that,

474
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Speaker 2: I want to know who you are, I want to

475
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Speaker 2: know how you play. I want to know, you know,

476
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Speaker 2: do you give your team a chance more times than

477
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Speaker 2: not in those kind of moments, because you're usually not

478
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Speaker 2: going to have as many of those, you know, when

479
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,000
Speaker 2: you're the best teams in the you know, in college football,

480
00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,880
Speaker 2: whereas in the NFL, most games are going to come

481
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Speaker 2: down to one score, you know, a tight game, lad

482
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Speaker 2: and the quarterback is going to have to play well,

483
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Speaker 2: you just don't know in college football. And so again,

484
00:21:38,200 --> 00:21:39,919
Speaker 2: you know, you can always say, well, you took this

485
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:41,679
Speaker 2: tape and maybe that skewed a little bit, and it

486
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Speaker 2: might be. But again, you've got to try to pull

487
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Speaker 2: as many different scenarios into one breakdown of a tape

488
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Speaker 2: as you possibly can, because a lot of times they're

489
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Speaker 2: not playing that way, and Jackson Dark doesn't have to

490
00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,480
Speaker 2: make every throw because they're up by two touchdowns, or

491
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Speaker 2: he can take an extra time to throw the football

492
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Speaker 2: because his guy's opened by you know, ten yards as

493
00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:05,919
Speaker 2: opposed to a tight throw that you got to make

494
00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:07,600
Speaker 2: at the NFL level. And so you're just trying to

495
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Speaker 2: glean as much possible from those situations and really again

496
00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:15,080
Speaker 2: project forward some questions. Not that they don't have the

497
00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:17,399
Speaker 2: answers to those questions, not that they're not, you know,

498
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Speaker 2: better than what they showed on tape, but just the

499
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Speaker 2: questions that I have going in with all of these guys,

500
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Speaker 2: because I don't think any of them are finished product,

501
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:26,840
Speaker 2: not even cam Mordon was a number one overall pick.

502
00:22:27,200 --> 00:22:29,119
Speaker 2: I think they all have things to work on and

503
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Speaker 2: they have to get better at if they want to

504
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Speaker 2: be great at the next level. So part of my

505
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Speaker 2: breakdown is to point out what those questions are for

506
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 2: me and the things that I'm going to be watching

507
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Speaker 2: for when they get under center at the NFL level.

508
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Speaker 3: What do you think of his traits just just basic

509
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 3: quarterback one on one arm strength, athleticism, pocket movement, things

510
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:48,160
Speaker 3: like that.

511
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Speaker 2: Good enough, because again I'm not I'm not a traits guy,

512
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Speaker 2: you know, And maybe it's because I didn't have those

513
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Speaker 2: traits and was able to be really successful. I mean,

514
00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 2: you guys know Eli Manning didn't have those trades. Nope,

515
00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 2: was able to be really successful. There's Tom Brad Like,

516
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:05,760
Speaker 2: there's a lot of guys, and I know the trend

517
00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:10,920
Speaker 2: is moving towards athleticism. I get that, but I still

518
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:15,520
Speaker 2: believe when you watch in critical moments of games, you

519
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,639
Speaker 2: have to be able to play from inside the pocket.

520
00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,440
Speaker 2: And it's not about traits. It's about the mental ability

521
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:23,000
Speaker 2: to make decisions, get the ball to the right guy,

522
00:23:23,160 --> 00:23:27,639
Speaker 2: and then having good enough traits to make the throws

523
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Speaker 2: that you're going to be asked to make or to make,

524
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Speaker 2: you know, a five yard run when you have to

525
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Speaker 2: make a five yard run, like and Jackson Dart to me,

526
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Speaker 2: has all of you know, the skills to be good enough,

527
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Speaker 2: Like he's got good enough arm strength, he's got good

528
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Speaker 2: enough mobility, he's got all of that stuff. To me,

529
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Speaker 2: is good enough to be a really good quarterback in

530
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Speaker 2: the National Football League. So it's not anything that I'm

531
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Speaker 2: concerned about. You know, from a skill standpoint, you.

532
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Speaker 1: Mentioned his mobility.

533
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Speaker 3: The one thing I was kind of impressed by court

534
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Speaker 3: And we see some college quarterbacks and they get pressure,

535
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 3: they'll roll out, they'll run backwards. Jacksonville tends to step

536
00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:05,800
Speaker 3: up and through the pressure, which I really like. Now,

537
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:07,400
Speaker 3: a lot of times he just runs off of that which,

538
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:08,920
Speaker 3: by the way, if you can get ten twelve yards

539
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Speaker 3: on the run, that's great. But I thought his pocket

540
00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 3: presence in that way was actually pretty good for a

541
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Speaker 3: young player.

542
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I think he does a nice shot.

543
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Speaker 2: You know, he's willing to run, and a lot of

544
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Speaker 2: people have made the comparison to a Jalen Herbs and

545
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Speaker 2: I actually like that comparison. You know that Jalen isn't

546
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Speaker 2: off the charts, you know, skill set wise. You know,

547
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Speaker 2: whether that's athletically or speed or arm strength. But you know,

548
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,360
Speaker 2: but he's good in all of those areas. He's got

549
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Speaker 2: enough in all of those areas. And you know when

550
00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,679
Speaker 2: he runs, you know, very seldom is it going to

551
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Speaker 2: be a forty yard run. But he does a great

552
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 2: job of picking up eight to ten yards. He's got

553
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Speaker 2: a nice feel when the pocket opens up, and a

554
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 2: big body to be able to run through somebody if

555
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,280
Speaker 2: he needs to score down in the red zone and

556
00:24:52,320 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 2: do those things. And I think Jackson Dart is very

557
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Speaker 2: similar to that. Maybe not quite as good an athlete

558
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:02,080
Speaker 2: as as Jalen, but I think in the same vein

559
00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 2: of you know, of what he brings to the table.

560
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,879
Speaker 2: And so I think when you watch Jalen play, I

561
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 2: look at this and say, I think Jackson Dark could

562
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Speaker 2: be a very similar type player within that offense to

563
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Speaker 2: what Jalen does. You know, Jalen's a big time thrower

564
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 2: in big time moments and those things, and I want

565
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 2: to see that from Jackson, But just skill set wise,

566
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Speaker 2: those I think that's a pretty accurate comparison when we're

567
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Speaker 2: just talking about the physical skills of Jackson to somebody

568
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Speaker 2: that's playing in the NFL.

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Speaker 3: All right, Gret, finally, now let's talk about him in

570
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Speaker 3: the Giants building. You're a young quarterback that had to

571
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Speaker 3: come in and earn his way. Nothing was given to

572
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Speaker 3: you or in a first round pick. So what does

573
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Speaker 3: this developmental process now look like for Jackson? Now that

574
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Speaker 3: he gets in the building, he's in meetings with Mike Kafka,

575
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Speaker 3: who's a former NFL quarterback, He's done it. Shae Tierney,

576
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Speaker 3: the quarterbacks coach Brian Dable, who knows how to develop

577
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Speaker 3: a quarterback.

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Speaker 1: What does he need to focus on?

579
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Speaker 3: What does he need to do in the spring of

580
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Speaker 3: the summer when he gets right, so then when the

581
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:02,959
Speaker 3: season gets here, maybe he's not getting the reps to

582
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:05,360
Speaker 3: continue develop as a quarterback to earn his way onto

583
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Speaker 3: the field.

584
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Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's it's understanding the process that

585
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 2: he has to go through in those four to five seconds,

586
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 2: you know, when he gets the ball in his hands.

587
00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 2: Is that again with this whole class, I don't believe

588
00:26:17,560 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 2: any of them are athletic enough to live in that

589
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 2: world and be really successful in the NFL. They are

590
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,119
Speaker 2: going to have to play more traditional pocket quarterback in

591
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 2: my opinion, to be really good quarterbacks in the NFL.

592
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Speaker 2: And so for Jackson, that to me is the is

593
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 2: the step is I've got to learn. I've got to process,

594
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,360
Speaker 2: I've got to talk to as many people as possible.

595
00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:43,120
Speaker 2: I've got to come up with my plan on how

596
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,600
Speaker 2: to play on schedule, on time, within the structure of

597
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 2: the offense, because That's where I'm going to be ultra successful.

598
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,360
Speaker 2: I don't think it's going to be in the other

599
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 2: areas where you know, we'll use Russell Wilson since he's

600
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Speaker 2: in New York. When he was playing in the stages

601
00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:03,400
Speaker 2: in Seattle, he didn't do all of the stuff I'm

602
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 2: talking about. He was a guy that played athletic play,

603
00:27:06,040 --> 00:27:08,359
Speaker 2: you know, like he can make, of course a throw

604
00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 2: on time and if number ones open, he can make

605
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 2: that throw. But he lived very much in the world of, hey,

606
00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:16,960
Speaker 2: we got a good defense in a good run game,

607
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,720
Speaker 2: and I'm a complimentary piece, and so my goal is

608
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 2: to make six or seven or eight plays a game,

609
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 2: you know, run around, make a throw down the field,

610
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 2: run around and make a run. And he was good

611
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:31,080
Speaker 2: enough to play and live in that world in the

612
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 2: early stages of his career. Ben Roethlisberger another guy that

613
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:39,000
Speaker 2: was able to do that early on, had the benefit

614
00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 2: of again, good run game, good defense, so you only

615
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 2: had to make so many plays a game of those

616
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 2: special plays and it gave your team a chance to win.

617
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 2: I just don't think Jackson is quite that guy. So

618
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:55,160
Speaker 2: I do believe he's going to have to play traditional football.

619
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Speaker 2: He's going to have to, you know, up his game

620
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 2: in terms of processing, getting the ball out or even

621
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:01,359
Speaker 2: just show us again. I don't want to say up

622
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 2: his game because we talked about that earlier. Maybe it's

623
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 2: in there and we just didn't see it and so,

624
00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 2: but he's going to have to play more in that vein.

625
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,240
Speaker 2: So to me, that's the process, learning the offense, understanding

626
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 2: the nuance, understanding the reads, knowing where to get his eyes,

627
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,199
Speaker 2: seeing the coverages, and understanding what his keys are so

628
00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:20,959
Speaker 2: he can play on time and get the ball out

629
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 2: of his hands and then allow the athleticism to be

630
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,240
Speaker 2: a complementary piece, you know, to those other things.

631
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Speaker 1: And just to follow up.

632
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Speaker 3: I think it's pretty easy to do that in the

633
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 3: spring of the summer, right, just in terms of because

634
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 3: you have the reps to do it right. You're running

635
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 3: in your offense, you're getting practices, you're going to get

636
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 3: into some games in the preseason to show it on

637
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,080
Speaker 3: the field. What is it like, Kurt for a quarterback

638
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 3: when you get to the regular season, right and Russell's

639
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 3: getting all of the first team snaps in practice, maybe

640
00:28:47,880 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 3: Jackson's running the scout team. Maybe he could do some

641
00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 3: walk through with some of the practice squad guys in

642
00:28:52,640 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 3: the Giants offense after practice, how does he continue to

643
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 3: learn to do the things you're talking about when maybe

644
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 3: you're not getting those full speed reps again defenses like

645
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 3: you are on the spring in the summer, you know, and.

646
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 2: It can vary by team, you know. So a lot

647
00:29:05,640 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 2: of it depends on how much does a team game

648
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 2: plan during the season. So when you get into preseason games,

649
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 2: you've got your base offense, and you've been running your

650
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 2: base offense for three or four weeks, and it's you know, normal, basic,

651
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 2: kind of easy concept plays, and then you get into

652
00:29:22,880 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 2: the season and you can't always run those plays every week. Oh,

653
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 2: this team does this, this play is not as good.

654
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to add another play. We're gonna have

655
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,560
Speaker 2: to do this, and and our game plan starts to

656
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 2: change throughout the season. And so that's part of that process,

657
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 2: is being able to pick up the nuances and the

658
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 2: different defenses that you're going to see and what are

659
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,240
Speaker 2: the keys against those defenses And Okay, we're putting in

660
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,840
Speaker 2: a new play. What's different about this play than the

661
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,920
Speaker 2: base play that we're running. And so, you know, in

662
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 2: preseason again it's base plays offensively a lot of times

663
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,200
Speaker 2: for you it's base defenses. A lot of times for

664
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 2: the teams that you're playing, everything ramps up and ratchet

665
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 2: up in regular season because now they're preparing for you.

666
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 2: They've watched your tape. Oh, these are their base plays.

667
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 2: We're going to run defenses to take away the base plays.

668
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 2: So now you've got to put in secondary or complimentary plays,

669
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:17,040
Speaker 2: and so that's where the volume starts to add up.

670
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,479
Speaker 2: You've got four or five days to do all of this.

671
00:30:19,760 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 2: You've got to get comfortable with the defenses you're seeing,

672
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,920
Speaker 2: and so that's where it gets harder in the regular season,

673
00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 2: especially if you don't have a lot of reps. You

674
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 2: don't get a lot of reps. And so for me

675
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 2: when I was when I wasn't the starter, I would

676
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 2: try to you know, I would try to take every

677
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,719
Speaker 2: scout team rep that I could, and I would always

678
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 2: try to see where I could take a play from

679
00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 2: another team's offense and somehow place it into our offensive

680
00:30:47,040 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 2: playbook and go, Okay, this play is very similar to

681
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 2: that play out, maybe not exact, but very similar. I'm

682
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:55,400
Speaker 2: going to go back and read this the way I

683
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 2: would read that play that's in our game plan this week.

684
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 2: So I'm going to try to get a mental rep

685
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,120
Speaker 2: and a physical rep on that play, even though I'm

686
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 2: running the scout team, And so that to me was

687
00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 2: how I liked to do it. Is you know, I

688
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 2: had a really good vision for how plays were connected

689
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 2: and what I was looking at with different coverages, and

690
00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 2: so I was always trying to do that. So although

691
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 2: not completely apples to apples, it was trying to get

692
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 2: those mental reps. So when I did get my opportunity,

693
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 2: I had somewhat seen or gone through the process besides

694
00:31:28,800 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 2: just standing behind the huddle and trying to mentally walk

695
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 2: through my you walk myself through you know, that mental

696
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 2: rep without physically seeing it and doing it, you know,

697
00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 2: because I wasn't giving those reps. If you want to

698
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,840
Speaker 2: know how to manage two minutes of crunch time football,

699
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:45,840
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700
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 2: term financial plan, you should talk to Citizens.

701
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Speaker 1: Hey, I can also talk long care. I'd like to

702
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Speaker 1: learn about AMLIA routine. Yes, I knew I could help

703
00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,280
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704
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Speaker 1: curt final question.

705
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,680
Speaker 3: And I don't mean to bring back a bad memory,

706
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 3: but you're on the other side of this when the

707
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 3: Giants drafted Eli Manning. Right, you're here, You're over five

708
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,640
Speaker 3: hundred of the starter. You were five and four, right,

709
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:09,960
Speaker 3: the team was five and four. They were playing good football,

710
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 3: but the Giants decided to go.

711
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: With elive midseason.

712
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 3: What does this look like in that quarterback room for

713
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 3: a veteran quarterback like Russell Wilson, who I'm sure still

714
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 3: thinks he's a lot of good football left in him.

715
00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 3: He played pretty well for the Steelers last year until

716
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 3: he played some really tough team at the end of

717
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,240
Speaker 3: the year and they lost a few games. And know

718
00:32:24,320 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 3: what happens, What are you going to do? What is

719
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,400
Speaker 3: this going to be like for him? And how does

720
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 3: he work with the young guy in this situation? And

721
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,560
Speaker 3: then how does this decision get made by Brian Dable

722
00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 3: when he's not seeing Jacksonville having a lot of you know,

723
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 3: reps and figuring out when he actually is ready. Just

724
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,160
Speaker 3: kind of taking me inside of that from someone that

725
00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 3: lived in a little bit.

726
00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I actually know Russell, you know, quite

727
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,480
Speaker 2: a bit. And actually I'm really close with Jamis as well,

728
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 2: and I think both those guys will be great for Jackson,

729
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 2: you know, in terms of their willingness to help him.

730
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 2: However they can help him. Now, those two guys are

731
00:32:58,160 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 2: two different kinds of quarterbacks. Again, Russell less of the

732
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 2: more traditional drop back, you know, read play on time

733
00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 2: type quarterback, you know. But there's things that he's really

734
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 2: good at seeing and throwing and the way he throws

735
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 2: things that I think he can really help Jackson with

736
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 2: that stuff. I think Jamis is really good mentally at

737
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 2: processing information and reading coverages and and getting to the

738
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,200
Speaker 2: right guy. And so I think combination wise, they could

739
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,920
Speaker 2: be you know, a great combination for Jackson to help

740
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 2: him with the two facets of his game, you know,

741
00:33:32,400 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 2: in terms of coach Dave Ball and just like when

742
00:33:34,960 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 2: I was there, I think it becomes a variety of

743
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:42,120
Speaker 2: different things that you're looking at in making the decisions

744
00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 2: on playing. You know. So when I went to New York,

745
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 2: you know, the team was born twelve the year before

746
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,120
Speaker 2: you know, new coach there wasn't you know, a lot

747
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 2: of excitement about the team and what we could be

748
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 2: because of everything that it transpired, and so you know,

749
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: and without a doubt, I was the better player at

750
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,239
Speaker 2: that time too, but I had been there and I

751
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 2: have led and so when I got inserted, you know,

752
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:11,920
Speaker 2: into the offense there. It wasn't anything like offenses that

753
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 2: I ran, and it didn't necessarily play to my strengths.

754
00:34:16,520 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 2: But my job was to uh get the guys to

755
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 2: believe in the possibilities and to find ways to win

756
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,200
Speaker 2: because we weren't a great football team, and so we

757
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 2: were able to do that. You know, we started five

758
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,280
Speaker 2: and two, and as you said, we were five and four.

759
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 2: But you know what I think, you know, came to

760
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 2: you know, came to pass, you know after those nine games,

761
00:34:38,760 --> 00:34:41,640
Speaker 2: was there was a couple of things that first, we

762
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 2: weren't a great football team. You know, even though we

763
00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:47,239
Speaker 2: were a playoff team at the time, I think everybody

764
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 2: that involved realized we were manufacturing wins. We weren't a

765
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 2: great football team, you know that was going to go

766
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 2: out and really have a chance to win a championship.

767
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,799
Speaker 2: And I know, you know, giants have been there before.

768
00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 2: You get in as a wild card and you get hot,

769
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 2: and it can happen. But I think that was the

770
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,239
Speaker 2: first part to what they saw was Okay, we're not

771
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 2: a great football team. And so even if we keep

772
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,319
Speaker 2: kind of sitting around five hundred a little bit of

773
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 2: better than five hundred, even sneaking to the playoffs? Is

774
00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 2: that worth you know, not developing our young quarterbacks so

775
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,960
Speaker 2: in two or three years, because we feel like we've

776
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:26,640
Speaker 2: got some pieces, in two or three years, when we

777
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 2: feel like we're ready, will he be ready? And so

778
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 2: I think that was the first part of the process.

779
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,840
Speaker 2: And I think part of a process that could happen,

780
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:37,919
Speaker 2: you know, with the Giants this year is you've got

781
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 2: your veteran that's not your future, and you may get

782
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:43,239
Speaker 2: to a point where you're kind of muddling around winning

783
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 2: some games, and does it become more advantageous to go

784
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 2: to the young guy? And then I think the second

785
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:54,239
Speaker 2: part of the equation was I wasn't able to be

786
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 2: who I was in that offense, and I think they

787
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,360
Speaker 2: understood that as well, and so it was a struggle

788
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 2: for me to do the things that I wanted to

789
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 2: do and the things that I was accustomed to doing,

790
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:11,439
Speaker 2: and so, you know, they didn't want to do those

791
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,280
Speaker 2: sorts of things. And there's a couple examples from that season.

792
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,720
Speaker 2: He got the time. Yeah, but so we played against

793
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 2: Baltimore and this was after you know, Eli had taken over,

794
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 2: and you know, one of his first couple of games,

795
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 2: and he really struggled in the game.

796
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 1: Oh, he got obliterate. I remember that game was that.

797
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 2: It was a rough game for him, and so they

798
00:36:29,640 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 2: put me in late in the second half. You know,

799
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 2: in like three series, we threw for one hundred and

800
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 2: sixty yards and we put up two touchdowns and like

801
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,759
Speaker 2: because they were playing my brand of football, but that's

802
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 2: not how they wanted to play. So you could see

803
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 2: the glimpse of that. You know. My last game that

804
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:48,080
Speaker 2: I started was in Arizona with the Giants, and we

805
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,560
Speaker 2: started in the no huddle, and we drove down and

806
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:52,760
Speaker 2: scored two touchdowns right off the bat in the no huddle,

807
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 2: and we're up like fourteen to nothing or fourteen to

808
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 2: seven in that game. And then we got out of

809
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 2: the no huddle and we went back to doing what

810
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 2: we do and we lost seventeen to fourteen in that game.

811
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 2: And so that was a good indication for me that

812
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 2: I know I can still play, but they don't want

813
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 2: me to play the way that I play my best

814
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 2: and so I was never able to put my best

815
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 2: foot forward. We were not built u to play to

816
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 2: really my mindset and what I wanted to do. And uh,

817
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 2: you know, so there was a number of fumbles that

818
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: I had that year because there were times that I'm

819
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,480
Speaker 2: trying to hold onto the ball and you know, get

820
00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 2: guys open and make plays that I had made earlier

821
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,400
Speaker 2: in my career. We just weren't built that way, and

822
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 2: so I think they ultimately saw that too, Like not

823
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 2: that Kurt's not the better quarterback, but we're just not

824
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 2: going to play to Kurt strength. We're not going to

825
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 2: play that brand of football. And so having Kurt in there, it's, yeah,

826
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 2: it's been great. We you know, we won early on

827
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 2: and we've got guys to believe, but he's not going

828
00:37:56,680 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 2: to be able to elevate us, you know, to this

829
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:00,880
Speaker 2: other level because we're not gonna let them and were

830
00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 2: not built that way. So all of those things I

831
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 2: think played into maybe it's best to just make the

832
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:11,040
Speaker 2: move now and take our lumps, you know, the last

833
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 2: seven games of the season. You know, let Eli take

834
00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 2: his lumps. Let's figure out who we're going to be

835
00:38:17,080 --> 00:38:20,560
Speaker 2: with Eliser quarterback, so we can come back next year

836
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,840
Speaker 2: and you know and kind of hit the ground running

837
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 2: with knowing who our quarterback is, knowing how we want

838
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 2: to play and being able to put the pieces around

839
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 2: them to be successful. And ultimately, obviously it worked out

840
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 2: great for Eli and the Giants and what they did and.

841
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 1: So and for you, by the way, you ended up

842
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 1: going to the Superowl in Arizona.

843
00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:42,479
Speaker 2: Yet no, no, And yeah, I mean I was able

844
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,359
Speaker 2: to do enough to parlay that into another opportunity for sure.

845
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 2: But I say all that to go, the Giants are

846
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 2: going to have to figure out who they are throughout

847
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 2: this season and what they're capable of, and what they're

848
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,640
Speaker 2: capable of With Russell Wilson as their quarterback playing the

849
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 2: way he does, does it fit their skill set? And

850
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 2: you know, he's a good deep ball thrower, right, he's

851
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:09,560
Speaker 2: a good off schedule thrower. Do they have the pieces

852
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:11,879
Speaker 2: there to do that sort of stuff or do they

853
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 2: have to be more of a you know, ten yard

854
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 2: fifteen yard pass offense that maybe plays to Jamis or

855
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:22,960
Speaker 2: even Jackson maybe a little bit better than Russell. And

856
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,399
Speaker 2: so those are the questions that I think will have

857
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,439
Speaker 2: to be answered, barring the fact that they don't come

858
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,719
Speaker 2: out of the blocks and win seven straight and look

859
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 2: like world beaters. If they're kind of you know, middle

860
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 2: and you know, through everything. I think that's when you

861
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,880
Speaker 2: have to start asking those different questions and what's the

862
00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,600
Speaker 2: best for the future, what's the best for our system,

863
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 2: what's the best with the pieces we have, what gives

864
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Speaker 2: us the best opportunity? And again, you know, I love

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Speaker 2: coach Stable and I think he does a great job.

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Speaker 2: And but you know a lot of people are talking.

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Speaker 2: You know, are they a little bit more on the

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Speaker 2: hot seat? Do they need to win? How much do

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Speaker 2: they need to win? Do they get some extra time

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Speaker 2: now that they have a young quarterback to be able

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Speaker 2: to play this out the way that they want to,

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Speaker 2: or do they have to force the vets a little

873
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Speaker 2: bit more because they have to win right now? So

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Speaker 2: I think those are factors as well. But I think

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, it really comes down

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Speaker 2: to what do we see our future and you know,

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Speaker 2: how do I feel like we're built now? What's the

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Speaker 2: best way for us to have success and then possibly

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Speaker 2: get our young quarterback ready if we think, you know,

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Speaker 2: that time is coming sooner rather than later.

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Speaker 3: So in conclusion, having any sort of discussion now about

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00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 3: when the best time is to slide Darta in is

883
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Speaker 3: pretty useless until you see how the season goes right

884
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Speaker 3: and how Russell plays, except for maybe putting him in

885
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Speaker 3: there right away, which I don't think anyone is considering

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Speaker 3: that at all.

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Speaker 1: Joe Shane said in his first.

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Speaker 3: Press conference after the draft for Russell's all starter, I

889
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,640
Speaker 3: think that's the right way. But basically, until you see

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Speaker 3: how this plays out, knowing when the right time is

891
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Speaker 3: is pretty impossible.

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Speaker 2: Huh yeah. I mean, first of all, seeing who the

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Speaker 2: quarterback is and where he's at at the time. I

894
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Speaker 2: mean because again, even with the Giants that year, Eli

895
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Speaker 2: wasn't ready to be the starter yet. You know, he

896
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 2: wasn't ready. But you know, again with all the other

897
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Speaker 2: things that were going on, they said, we have we

898
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Speaker 2: know he's not ready, but we're hoping that through these

899
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Speaker 2: seven games he can get ready. You know, we can

900
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Speaker 2: throw enough at him and he can see enough and

901
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 2: he can handle enough that he'll be ready, you know,

902
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Speaker 2: when the season. So I think all those things are factors.

903
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Speaker 2: But I've always believed that the easiest way to always

904
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Speaker 2: go is to start the veteran. It's so much easier

905
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Speaker 2: to start the vet and go to the young guy

906
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Speaker 2: than it is with any other scenario. Starting the young

907
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Speaker 2: guy and then having to go to the bed and

908
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 2: then trying to come back to the young guy or

909
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,839
Speaker 2: just struggling through things early with the young guy, it's

910
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 2: always easier to go with the vet. And if things

911
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 2: aren't working or working the way you want them to,

912
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Speaker 2: or you feel that the young guy you know is

913
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Speaker 2: ready to some degree, then it's easy to just look

914
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Speaker 2: for an opportunity. Oh oh, we've lost a couple of games,

915
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Speaker 2: then it's easy to find that transition point to the

916
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Speaker 2: young guy. And so I think the Giants are in

917
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Speaker 2: a great position from that standpoint that they've got two

918
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Speaker 2: guys that have started a lot of football in the NFL.

919
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Speaker 2: They don't have to force this issue and put extra

920
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Speaker 2: undue pressure on Jackson Dart. They can let it play out,

921
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Speaker 2: and then when the pressure's at its least, that can

922
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Speaker 2: be the time that they insert in. Whether that's halfway

923
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Speaker 2: through the year, whether that's the end of the year,

924
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Speaker 2: whether that's next year where we've alleviated some of that, Hey,

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Speaker 2: come in and be the savior for this team when

926
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Speaker 2: there's a lot of parts that need to be need

927
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Speaker 2: to be fixed.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe slide them in when the Raiders as the

929
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Speaker 3: upcoming opponent and not the Eagles something like that. Of course.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you are the absolute best man, You're great. Tell

931
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Speaker 1: the folks obviously you.

932
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Speaker 3: Can find them NFL Network, Quarterback Confidential, tell them about

933
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Speaker 3: YouTube page, everything you're doing that you want the fans

934
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Speaker 3: to know about, Kirk.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I'm all over doing all kinds of

936
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Speaker 2: different things. You know, I'm a football junkie, So yeah,

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Speaker 2: qbconfidential dot Com is my teaching web site. I've created

938
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Speaker 2: a teaching website for quarterbacks and coaches and fans to

939
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Speaker 2: really get inside the quarterback position and learn in a

940
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Speaker 2: whole different way. So that's that website. I've got QB Confidential,

941
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Speaker 2: which is my YouTube page, which I'm always doing different

942
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Speaker 2: breakdowns on different things, you know, quarterbacks as you were

943
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Speaker 2: talking about leading into the draft, certain plays, certain things

944
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Speaker 2: that become trends in the NFL, which is kind of fun.

945
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Speaker 2: As you said, I'll be on NFL Network doing the

946
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Speaker 2: morning shows. I'll be doing you know, broadcasts in different ways,

947
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 2: some on TV, some some on radio. So yeah, just

948
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Speaker 2: kind of will be all over doing all kinds of

949
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Speaker 2: different things, and and always look forward to having an

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Speaker 2: interaction and talking.

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Speaker 3: Well, absolutely, Kurt, enjoy the rest of your spring. This

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Speaker 3: is our downtime. Enjoy it with the family.

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Speaker 1: I will do the same and look forward to the

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Speaker 1: football season start up in a few months. Thank you

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Speaker 1: very much for the top someome.

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Speaker 2: Maybe we'll cross pass in the fall. Take care of it.

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Speaker 3: We thank Kurt Warner for joining us right here on

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Speaker 3: the Giants Huddle podcast, brought to you by Citizens Official

959
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 3: Bank of the Giants. Is invaluable inside from Kurt, he

960
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Speaker 3: does his work, he knows his quarterbacks, and getting his

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Speaker 3: insight on Jackson Dart I think was really invaluable as

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Speaker 3: we get him in the building here and see what

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Speaker 3: he can do once his feet touch the grass here

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Speaker 3: in East Rutherford, New Jersey. Thanks to Kurt for joining us.

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Speaker 3: I'm John Schmulk. We'll see you next time with the

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Speaker 3: Johnsontle Podcast, brought to you by Citizens, the Official Bank

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