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Speaker 1: Of Course Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This

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Speaker 1: classic episode was produced by the team at Pandora. Ladies

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Speaker 1: and Gentlemen, Welcome to QLs Classic Episode forty nine with

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Speaker 1: the King of All Freaky Tales, Too Short, September twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 1: The joys of doing the show, y'all, is being able

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Speaker 1: to nerd out on our favorites and todd Too Short

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Speaker 1: Shaw is no exception, y'all. He's an example of a

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Speaker 1: self made millionaire upstart, literally starting his own empire, selling

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Speaker 1: out the trunk of his car and the tails. He

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Speaker 1: is the tail boy man. This is one for the

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Speaker 1: record books. Please enjoy the great Too Short QLs Classic.

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Speaker 2: Supremo, Supremo, Ro Supremo, Supremo, Old Call, Supremo, Son Son Supremo,

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Speaker 2: Roll Call, Suprema Sothing Son Supremo Roll Call, P B

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Speaker 2: and J.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's my favorite Sandwitch.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: What's my favorite word?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Newman or Michael Scottish Silicon sup Roll Car Supremo Roll Car.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it's fante Yeah. All in your world? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: someone of the threesome. Yeah, I want a seventy five Girls.

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Speaker 2: Seven Supremo Role Car Supremo Supremo role card.

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Speaker 3: My name is Sugar. Yeah, I'm too fly, Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 3: too sexy. Yeah, I'm too high.

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Speaker 4: Car Supremo Supremo roll call, Supremo Suck Supremo roll call.

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Speaker 1: I'm unpaid bill, Yeah, doing my part. Yeah, there's nothing

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Speaker 1: I can say. Yeah, totally clips Supremo Road super.

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 5: My name's Light. Yeah, Yo, the thistle. Yeah, I'm about

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Speaker 5: to get turned. Yeah, you about to blow that whistle?

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Speaker 4: Oh capec Supremo roll came Supremo Supremo roll.

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Speaker 6: I'm too short, Yeah you know what's up? Yeah after

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Speaker 6: the show. Yeah, I'm going to give my dick suck.

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Speaker 5: Okay, and your.

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Speaker 4: Supremo Supremo roll Suprivo Supremo roll.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, light, you're and too short coming up

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Speaker 1: with men? Yeah, your brain is over. Okay. I would

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Speaker 1: be remiss to say that in practicing for an hour

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Speaker 1: the words the world's longest word, which is indeed new

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Speaker 1: meno or microscopic silicon volcanic coneos and.

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Speaker 3: What does that mean?

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Speaker 1: I have no guy, a medical par or something like

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Speaker 1: it is it is? Yeah, I looked up in the

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Speaker 1: medical diction Yeah, like this is like that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, suffixes something forty five letters and after the show,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentleman, Welcome to another episode of Questlo Supreme.

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Speaker 3: I think this is gonna go. I think this may

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Speaker 3: uh rival Heath Hunters experts.

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Speaker 1: I cannot wait even get into it.

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Speaker 3: You can't wait.

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Speaker 1: This is oh god, no, what's she saying?

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Speaker 3: Her whistle or something?

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Speaker 1: Is that what you said? I said, blow it too high? Anyway? Anyway,

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Speaker 1: so yeah, uh, we were here at U. Well technically

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Speaker 1: are we in Live at Canem or do we call it?

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Speaker 1: We're at the Village Recorders. Now it's the Village Recorders.

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Speaker 1: I mean oftentimes studios changed titles and I don't.

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Speaker 7: Know what they were, but I think they've been the

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Speaker 7: Village Recorders since nineteen sixty seven, really sixty eight something

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Speaker 7: like that.

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Speaker 1: Why many?

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Speaker 5: Yes, I was looking at Short because he's been here.

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Speaker 1: I was just like, well, he's not sixty seven years

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Speaker 1: old though, Oh that happened. But yeah, I'm in the

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Speaker 1: history of this place.

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Speaker 3: Is yeah, you know Lost Steely, Dan Fleetwood, Mac.

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Speaker 1: And many many, a death Row classic created in these hallways.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, and Breakfast in America by Super Tramp and.

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Speaker 1: A former style I like, are we in a church?

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Speaker 1: I don't said. Yes, wait, we even recorded here, right,

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Speaker 1: this is where I've never been here in the nineteen twenties.

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Speaker 3: It was a Masonic it was a Massonic church in

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Speaker 3: like nineteen twenties.

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Speaker 7: Then became a recording studio and the Rolling Stones did

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Speaker 7: go toed soup here angie and all that.

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Speaker 1: Wow, well, let's thank.

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Speaker 3: You for face value.

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Speaker 7: Really, yes, this is what gave us the in the

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Speaker 7: air tonight. I don't know Jesus it was this room,

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Speaker 7: the orchestrations for wise up coasts were down here.

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Speaker 1: Hence didn't we record here once? Well, we weren't here.

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Speaker 3: We watched this twitter like via satellite.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well, thank you for the sorry anyway, Ladies and gentlemen,

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Speaker 1: please uh uh welcome. Wait. I didn't even know my intro.

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Speaker 1: I'll be honest. I spent so much time trying to

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Speaker 1: But uh, this young man needs no introduction.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: He has taught us all how to mac. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: let's just get into it, ladies and gentleman. The legendary

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Speaker 1: Todd shaw a ka too short, my fucking house. What's

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Speaker 1: what's up? How are you today?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 6: Doing good man and enjoying it? You know the journey

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Speaker 6: of hip hop where it's taking me to join.

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Speaker 1: It a lot see to this day? Well, of course,

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Speaker 1: I mean your your your story is never ending, you know.

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Speaker 1: So it's it's it's probably you know, things are still

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Speaker 1: happening today that we, you know, have yet to discover

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Speaker 1: and and and find out. I gotta ask you, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's in your daily life. How many times do people

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Speaker 1: out of the word bitch to you?

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Speaker 3: Like?

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Speaker 1: Is that your I'm rick like, do you get tired

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Speaker 1: of it? Like? Do you just want to just be

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Speaker 1: touched on?

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Speaker 3: Just like?

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Speaker 6: Yes, it's the most random places, the most random people,

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Speaker 6: at the most random times, and they yell it from

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Speaker 6: blind size being whole foods or like in shurt or

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Speaker 6: like a voice to go past the aisle, I won't

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Speaker 6: even see who was just bitch? And then people think

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Speaker 6: that they think it up and they're like, I'm gonna

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Speaker 6: walk over to him and ask him what's his favorite word?

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Speaker 1: I'm like, are you siring of that?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 6: Well, you know it's it's it's the thing, man, It's

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Speaker 6: the thing. That if you if it goes away, you

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Speaker 6: lose something, you know, So you'd be more worried if

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Speaker 3: They didn't.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no one said anything, and they forgot about the

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Speaker 1: day passed without a bitch.

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Speaker 3: I would be remissed, all right.

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Speaker 1: So of course I know your history. But for our

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Speaker 1: that are unfamiliar with your folk word, uh tell us,

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Speaker 1: where were you born?

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Speaker 3: Sir? I was?

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Speaker 1: What do we Okay, I'm about to ask the question

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Speaker 1: I hate the most, like what do I call you?

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Speaker 1: I call you mister to mister short mister, I'm from Oakland.

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Speaker 8: Man, you gotta have a multi multitude of names in Oakland,

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Speaker 8: at least five.

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Speaker 6: So I go by short dog, I go by You

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Speaker 6: can call me tired, all right, close, homies called me dog,

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Speaker 6: any variation, all good, all good.

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Speaker 1: A couple of people call me two too. So you

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Speaker 1: were born in Oakland?

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Speaker 8: I was born in LA.

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Speaker 6: I was born in LA and I moved to Oakland

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Speaker 6: right after ninth grade. A lot of people don't know that.

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Speaker 6: But the reason why it's so Oakland is because when

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Speaker 6: I got to Oakland, that's when I started rapping. When

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Speaker 6: I got to Oakland. That's when they started calling me

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Speaker 6: too show. When I started rapping, I started rapping about Oakland.

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Speaker 6: It never really had any connection to La at all.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, So well I got to ask, because the

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Speaker 1: Oakland of twenty seventeen is hardly what the Oakland of

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Speaker 1: nineteen eighty seven was. What are you just your general

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Speaker 1: views of what Oakland has become, which is now more

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Speaker 1: Silicon Valley based, I mean, gingerf gentrified.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you have to have your own personal opinions about that.

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Speaker 6: A lot of people, you know, it's not just happening,

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Speaker 6: and the Oakland's happening in San Francisco right across the bridge, right,

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Speaker 6: and it's happening in a major way because.

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Speaker 8: Of Silicon Valley is going.

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Speaker 6: It's going really fast, like neighborhoods being taken over, and

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Speaker 3: And moved out.

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Speaker 1: So where are they moving to?

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Speaker 6: I think it's the reverse white flight. I think the

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Speaker 6: suburbs are coming back to the city and then they're right, but.

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Speaker 1: Where are they putting Like for anyone that you grew

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Speaker 6: Andy putting them out in them cheap ass houses they

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Speaker 6: built twenty thirty years.

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Speaker 1: Ago, they fucking falled apart the little track homes is it? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Like where is it? Literally? Like you know, it's too excuge.

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Speaker 6: Okay, you had a city like Antioch, thirty minute ride

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Speaker 6: hearing now, it's some a little rough areas out there.

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Speaker 8: It's getting a little little shady because so that used.

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Speaker 8: Now that's because slowly but surely, you know what happened.

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Speaker 3: This is this is my theory.

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Speaker 6: You've got all the people who like people, you know,

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Speaker 6: even even as the bubble burst. After the bubble, all

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Speaker 6: this stuff, people like scramping up all their money. Man,

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Speaker 6: I'm about to give me a house off the way. Man,

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Speaker 6: I'm getting out this crazy see, I'm moving out the way.

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Speaker 6: People been saying that. So at some point I feel

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Speaker 6: like the bubble burst, the gasoline prices went up. Shit,

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Speaker 6: just shit, just made suburb life real fucked up. You

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Speaker 6: see your fucking kids and your family.

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Speaker 1: You go old.

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Speaker 8: You don't even know, they don't even know you.

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Speaker 6: So I think a lot of people decided to, you know,

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Speaker 6: me in back three three bedroom apartment. My kids like fuck,

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Speaker 6: no more yard, you know what I'm saying, Like fuck it.

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Speaker 1: And it's.

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Speaker 6: That's one angle. But the other side is you from

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Speaker 6: the city and now you're looking at neighborhoods where you're like, shit,

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Speaker 6: this ship was a tough ass neighborhood five years ago,

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Speaker 6: and now it's just like you know, horror books, blond hair,

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Speaker 6: white chicks walking down the street, untouched, like safest, safest hell.

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Speaker 1: So, when's the last time you've been to your because

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Speaker 1: I know you also moved to Atlanta, when's the last

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Speaker 1: time you've been to Oakland like as you knew it,

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Speaker 1: like where you grew up in that area, Like has

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Speaker 1: it totally changed?

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Speaker 8: While from East Oakland And they're not.

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Speaker 6: They're not gentrifying East Oakland at this point, not yet,

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Speaker 6: hadn't made that point.

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Speaker 5: There's always one area toast, but they jumped.

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Speaker 6: On West Oakland because it's the closest to San Francisco,

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Speaker 6: and they took downtown Oakland because it's right adjacent to

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Speaker 6: West Oakland and it's moving outward.

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Speaker 8: But I'm one of those people who.

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Speaker 3: I feel like.

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Speaker 8: People in places are going to progress.

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Speaker 6: You're not gonna You're not gonna say let's stay the

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Speaker 8: You can't make hip hop stay away. You can't make

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Speaker 6: So Silicon Valley was they were sitting out there in

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Speaker 8: And then it was just the.

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Speaker 1: Basic theory is that, which I guess is that the

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Speaker 5: So did you invest?

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Speaker 1: Did you get a little piece of property?

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Speaker 6: So before the you know, for the blow up, Well,

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the most expensive, Yes it is.

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Speaker 3: It is.

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Speaker 8: So you don't get a yard driveway, just get a

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Speaker 3: Million, two million for a walking Closses.

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Speaker 1: All right, so take us players like me, we moved

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Speaker 8: I've always had a spot in Vegas. That's that's part

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Speaker 5: But what do you do in Vegas besides everyone?

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Speaker 1: For for my perspective, quest love Supreme guest, Like literally,

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Speaker 1: I don't know what it is about September. They're all like, yo, dog,

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Speaker 1: I just moved to Vegas. Like when I missed that memo?

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Speaker 1: When did Vegas become the new?

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Speaker 3: What is it?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 3: Is it taxes?

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Speaker 1: Is it why?

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Speaker 6: People's probably the best value real estate wives.

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Speaker 5: On the West Coast more than Arizona. What Arizona does

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Speaker 3: But but Vegas.

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Speaker 6: You get all these fucking world renown restaurants and all

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Speaker 3: That's good, all right?

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Speaker 9: So take us take us back to Oakland eighty five

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Speaker 9: I'm not kidding around you, dog. I tried a residency

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Speaker 1: And it's just like it's a certain a lot of

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Speaker 1: went to a club, no, I mean the manager. I

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Speaker 1: know they're there. Modus operandi is every five minutes has

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Speaker 1: and this motherfucker actually played intimate from It was like,

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Speaker 6: Snoop will play Harold Melne and the Blue Notes at

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Speaker 1: Nobody would challenge. It was the most amazing thing I

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Speaker 8: All Right, So Oakland nineteen eighty five, Yes.

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Speaker 3: What.

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Speaker 1: Can I say? Is that safe? Just assumed that eighty

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Speaker 1: forty five is were the legend of too short? First

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Speaker 1: of all, how did you pick your moniker? Too short?

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Speaker 6: Well, eighty forty five was the legend of crack, and

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Speaker 3: Too short.

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Speaker 6: Too short came a little bit before that I appeared.

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Speaker 6: I moved to Oakland nineteen eighty. The year I moved

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Speaker 6: novelty thing. Got to high school that year, my brother

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Speaker 3: Like it was.

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Speaker 8: It was a dude named Shorty that was taller than me.

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Speaker 1: I mean, you're not that short. Everyone like six three.

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Speaker 6: I was five too when on my nineteenth birthday. Oh,

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Speaker 6: I was five eight on my twentieth birthday. I don't

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Speaker 3: So in high school.

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Speaker 8: In high school, I was fucking.

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Speaker 1: Five too, Okay, you got a spurt huh.

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Speaker 6: Somewhere in there after I turned nineteen. But so because

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Speaker 6: like it can't be tired. So it came up with

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Speaker 3: Really.

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Speaker 6: So somewhere down the line, I saw the movie Penitentiary

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Speaker 6: got oh damn he beat everybody up any all the pussy.

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Speaker 6: I was like, I think I'm gonna be too short.

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Speaker 6: I put it, I put a twist on it. Yeah,

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Speaker 6: I see all right?

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Speaker 1: So what was how did how did hip hop culture

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Speaker 6: Like so nineteen seventy nine, right before I moved to Oakland,

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Speaker 6: Rappers Delight came across the airways. Now, before Rappers Delight,

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Speaker 8: But not have a name for it.

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Speaker 6: It was sort of records like King ten third, certain

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Speaker 6: Parliament records. George Clinton was always rapping, talking to rymen

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Speaker 6: and I mean, there was a lot of records that

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Speaker 6: being a elementary school drummer, high school marching band type kid,

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Speaker 6: I instantly heard the cadences and I related it to

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Speaker 1: Told me when I first met it, you told me

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Speaker 6: I was in the elementary school band it was school

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Speaker 6: that type of sh I was a drumm, snare, drum,

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Speaker 6: tried it. It was it was nineteen eighty. Uh, singles

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Speaker 6: then it would be Spoony g. It would be grand

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 6: Just records were just coming out back to back, and

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Speaker 6: And I found a record. It was a jazz record,

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Speaker 8: I can't remember what song is. It might have been

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Speaker 6: And I wrapped to it and I just had like

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Speaker 8: I knew I could do it. It was it was.

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Speaker 6: It was one of those things like you look, you

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Speaker 1: So it wasn't It wasn't a thing where you know,

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Speaker 8: I invented too short in my bedroom.

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Speaker 3: The whole ship.

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Speaker 6: Every every step of the way, it was always like

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Speaker 6: My father had showed me how to take this little

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Speaker 6: you're running. So I said I would take that shit

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Speaker 6: I got an extra record player, let me get that

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Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 6: I really was trying to get my hands on a

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Speaker 10: I love everybody's stories from that era trying to figure

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Speaker 6: A fucking home studio, Like I gotta get my voice

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Speaker 7: Can I ask you a question about the the Grover

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Speaker 7: you remember what song it was?

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Speaker 6: I don't remember, I do. I can give you a clue.

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Speaker 6: This was a jazz record. It had four songs on it.

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Speaker 6: They were all instrumentals, and I want to say one

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Speaker 6: you know what.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so those records, no, no, no, well that's the thing.

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Speaker 1: Now that's what I call music wow, where you don't

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Speaker 1: Motown be like, yo, can I get break out? You

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Speaker 1: and put on records. Like right now, that's my record

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Speaker 1: collecting obsession. I got. I got Gene Brown going through

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Speaker 1: every record store down South. Give me all them party records,

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Speaker 1: like I have at least like, you know, thirty versions

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Speaker 1: Let's get down tonight, weird things like various covers of

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Speaker 1: Billy Jean, like right now playing stupid covers. Yeah I heard, yeah,

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Speaker 1: you play some exactly like when I play es Page, Yeah,

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Speaker 6: So so the next phase was rappers and you know

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Speaker 6: twelve inch, so I would music always came out on Tuesdays.

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Speaker 6: I got a little I got a little ingenious. I'm like,

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Speaker 6: I'm going to the record store every Tuesday, and I'm

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Speaker 6: flip it over and rap to.

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Speaker 8: It and get around the streets and claim it really

444
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,399
Speaker 8: and not just claim it just it is what it is,

445
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:36,879
Speaker 8: right right.

446
00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:40,159
Speaker 6: A few records people people people will come in and go,

447
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:46,679
Speaker 6: hey man, something like stow your record. I would get

448
00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,120
Speaker 6: it out there first, but that was that was the trick,

449
00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:49,920
Speaker 6: was to try to find it the dopest beat, and

450
00:22:49,920 --> 00:22:51,040
Speaker 6: all the ship was coming out of New York.

451
00:22:51,080 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 8: It was New York hit popp.

452
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 6: It was those independent labels that were putting out all

453
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:56,639
Speaker 6: the twelve inches nineteen eighty eighty one, eighty two, of

454
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:57,040
Speaker 6: those years.

455
00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:57,960
Speaker 1: What did your folks do?

456
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,639
Speaker 3: They like supportive of both of.

457
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 8: My parents are accountants. Wow, that that goes.

458
00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 6: My mother graduated from Dillard, moved to the West Coast,

459
00:23:07,480 --> 00:23:10,439
Speaker 6: met my father, and she kind of put him through college.

460
00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:12,200
Speaker 8: You know, wow that situation.

461
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:13,360
Speaker 5: So your money is right?

462
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,000
Speaker 8: She mean she used to say shit like I fucking

463
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:17,960
Speaker 8: did all his homework.

464
00:23:18,080 --> 00:23:19,640
Speaker 1: I took his chest.

465
00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:20,800
Speaker 8: That's my damn degree.

466
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,960
Speaker 5: No, but seriously, your money is right, right, like more

467
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:25,720
Speaker 5: than the average.

468
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:27,120
Speaker 8: I'm the child of two accounts.

469
00:23:27,200 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 5: Exactly.

470
00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 3: All right, Aunt, you have.

471
00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,960
Speaker 1: To be because I mean the way that your hustle

472
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,479
Speaker 1: at least when you started. Was it Up All Night Records?

473
00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,199
Speaker 1: Was that your first label? Or was it seventy five? Uh?

474
00:23:37,320 --> 00:23:37,520
Speaker 3: Start?

475
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:38,879
Speaker 8: We started with seventy five Girls.

476
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 6: Then we then we did a label called Dangerous Music, right,

477
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:43,639
Speaker 6: and then that evolved in the up All nineties?

478
00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:44,520
Speaker 3: So seventy five girls?

479
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 5: Was that you?

480
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 1: Or who?

481
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 3: Who's behind?

482
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:49,439
Speaker 6: A guy named Dean Hodges and he was a very

483
00:23:49,480 --> 00:23:52,000
Speaker 6: colorful street character, played a low key He wasn't like,

484
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:53,480
Speaker 6: he wasn't a loud guy, but he you know, he

485
00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 6: was nineteen eighty five and he drove an eighty five bing.

486
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 8: So he was, you know, he was doing his thing,

487
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:05,479
Speaker 8: and he he wanted to be not physically but mentally.

488
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 8: He wanted to be a fucking rock star. Does that

489
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:07,480
Speaker 8: make sense.

490
00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:09,680
Speaker 6: He didn't want to be on stage playing guitar, but

491
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 6: he wanted to want the walk and be a fucking

492
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 6: rock star. He wanted to look like a rock star,

493
00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 6: and he wanted to be around rock stars all day.

494
00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:20,960
Speaker 1: The aspiration of the rock star lifestyff.

495
00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 8: So he provided us with I was friends with his

496
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:26,000
Speaker 8: little brother. Little brother brought me around.

497
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,159
Speaker 6: I'm popular all in the streets and ship and he

498
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 6: just provided us with the best equipment.

499
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: Man.

500
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,159
Speaker 6: He had all the best ship, the Lynn drum and

501
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 6: fucking all kind of rolling ship and all his guitars

502
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,359
Speaker 6: and shipping modules and ship and ship that you never

503
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:37,680
Speaker 6: seen it.

504
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,240
Speaker 8: And he was booking sessions nightly.

505
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:40,639
Speaker 11: We do.

506
00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,560
Speaker 6: We did eleven PM six am sessions for to get

507
00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 6: the half half price of Graveyard Shift, and we go,

508
00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 6: we go to the studio and just every night.

509
00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 8: To me, I look back at those years like that

510
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:54,920
Speaker 8: was college. That's what it did for me.

511
00:24:55,080 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 6: It really gave me the opportunity to when I got

512
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:01,800
Speaker 6: to a major and when I started making records, I

513
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:04,399
Speaker 6: had tons of experience. I've been in studios, I've been

514
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:08,439
Speaker 6: in mixed sessions, I've been working with musicians and punching

515
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 6: shit in and out and learning recording techniques.

516
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:15,600
Speaker 1: So with the history of the Bay Area and its

517
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: relationship to music, which you know, I'll say next to

518
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,960
Speaker 1: New Orleans, next to I mean at the time in

519
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:31,480
Speaker 1: the seventies, Philly was still immersed in Chicago. Also, were

520
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 1: you rolling with actual musicians and like, what was your internet?

521
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:38,480
Speaker 6: First musicians that I worked with through seventy five girls

522
00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,000
Speaker 6: had all been affiliated. It was guys like Marvin Holmes

523
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,040
Speaker 6: and Greg Levias, and these guys had played all around

524
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 6: with cast like Rick James.

525
00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 8: And just you know, uh like Minor Williams.

526
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 6: These these dudes were like in the Bay Area, musicians

527
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 6: have always been connected with musicians everywhere, and it's.

528
00:25:57,359 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 8: Still like that to this day.

529
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 6: It's still they still breed that out there, right now,

530
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:08,480
Speaker 6: Get your skills together in church, you know, get learning

531
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 6: the jazz. You know what I'm saying, it's still you know,

532
00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:12,239
Speaker 6: young Cat's playing jazz out there.

533
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,520
Speaker 1: Because I was going to say, because the choi is kept,

534
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:20,280
Speaker 1: especially when you listen to your catalog. Now, I mean

535
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,840
Speaker 1: you you really didn't even pimp the fact that, you know,

536
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 1: live musicianship was a big part of your musical presentation.

537
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 8: Yeah that was sort of a secret.

538
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 1: And yeah, well but I'm saying, like the level of musicianship,

539
00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:39,280
Speaker 1: especially like with uh like on on life is Too

540
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 1: Short and all that stuff, Like I could tell like

541
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: these are cats that have actual professional.

542
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:48,480
Speaker 6: My engineer his name was out Eaton and he he

543
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:50,320
Speaker 6: he's a guitar player and he played keys, and he

544
00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 6: would I'm sitting here relating to him as an engineer,

545
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,440
Speaker 6: but honestly we're sitting here co producing songs together. We're

546
00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 6: like making shit happen. Like he's the kind of engineer

547
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 6: who you leave out the room and come back. He

548
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:02,439
Speaker 6: put a little riff on there and then and then

549
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 6: looped in and shit.

550
00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,399
Speaker 8: You're like, what the fuck? Like I come to the student.

551
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:09,680
Speaker 6: He literally gave me Life is Too Short the basis

552
00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:13,159
Speaker 6: of the track, which was you know says and and

553
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 6: the ghetto Donny Hathaway he started those off. He called

554
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 6: in the guys and totally no, you gotta there good

555
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 6: something to say, Like he was, you know, super super engineer.

556
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:26,680
Speaker 3: Didn't you do some work with Bohannan. Uh No, no,

557
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,719
Speaker 3: it wasn't. No, I don't think it was that him.

558
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 1: Which one was it?

559
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:36,399
Speaker 6: The Bohannans in my life are uh street guys. Okay,

560
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 6: let's clear it up, big Tad in a little tea.

561
00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 6: They're pretty popular around around the town.

562
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,159
Speaker 1: But okay, okay, so I gotta ask. And this is

563
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,959
Speaker 1: not even playing the stereotypes. But I mean, if you're

564
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:53,359
Speaker 1: coming from a two parent household and both are accountants,

565
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: I mean, it's almost like the basis of the Cosby Show. Now,

566
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 1: I came from a two parent household and got called

567
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 1: out immediately on the screech because the motherfuckers knew I

568
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 1: was not street, you know what I'm saying? Like I was,

569
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,440
Speaker 1: I was No, I was adwep and knew it. How

570
00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: did you balance, Like, did you keep your your home

571
00:28:18,320 --> 00:28:18,800
Speaker 1: life well?

572
00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 8: To make something like this happen?

573
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 6: You have to have uh the cars have to line up,

574
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,040
Speaker 6: and then certain shit has to be organic and sh

575
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 6: just it just can't. You can't just show up from

576
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 6: l A walking to a city like Oakland, go hey,

577
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 6: I'm too short the wrapper and they're like, okay, help me.

578
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 8: It doesn't work like that, So what did you do?

579
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: What did you do to get their respect?

580
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 6: My brother and my mother moved to Oakland a year

581
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 6: before I moved there. Okay, So the high school I

582
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:43,760
Speaker 6: went to in tenth grade, I had an older brother

583
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 6: who was in twelfth grade and he had already went

584
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 6: there for a year.

585
00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 8: That makes shit.

586
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:50,239
Speaker 6: I mean the first day of school, they're like, hey,

587
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 6: you gotta see this little dude right here. Don't fuck

588
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 6: with him. I got that my brother and his friend.

589
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 6: So I was crazy ass school, wild as hell. Motherfucker's

590
00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,120
Speaker 6: getting ass kicked every day. I was told people all

591
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 6: were told not to fuck with me. So little ass motherfucker,

592
00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 6: don't fuck with me. So I got that part.

593
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: And then.

594
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 6: Around uh, my eleventh grade year, I had I met

595
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 6: this guy named Freddie b. And he's born and raised

596
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 6: in West Oakland, grew up in East Oakland. Always was

597
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 6: a little kid that got in trouble. So he's been

598
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,600
Speaker 6: to juvenile hall, he's been to the little camp, he's

599
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 6: been to the senior camp. He knew every motherfucker in

600
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 6: the city because of his where he lived and what

601
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,719
Speaker 6: he'd been through. So when I started rapping with him,

602
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:35,960
Speaker 6: for one, it was cool to have an older brother.

603
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,800
Speaker 6: But even my older brother, his homies weren't connected to

604
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 6: Oakland like I ended up being connected. They weren't out

605
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 6: there in every neighborhood.

606
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:43,320
Speaker 3: You can't.

607
00:29:43,320 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 8: You can't just go from hood to hood like that.

608
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:45,000
Speaker 5: You can't.

609
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 6: So here, my rap partner know it's everybody in the

610
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 6: whole fucking city. So it was his idea for us

611
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 6: to start to start selling tapes. He was the one

612
00:29:53,760 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 6: who said we made a few tapes. He's like, let's

613
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 6: go sell this shit. I'm like, sell it to who.

614
00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:59,400
Speaker 6: He's like, this calls just go sell it.

615
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 3: So he start.

616
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 6: We first went to a spot where they sold weed

617
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 6: and asked them if they wanted to buy the tape

618
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 6: and they're like, you want to buy a tape for

619
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 6: We're like, just listen to it. So somebody put in

620
00:30:11,800 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 6: the car and they listened for about ten fifteen minutes

621
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 6: and one dude we only had one.

622
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 8: Tape, and one dude was like, I buy it how much?

623
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 8: Like five dollars?

624
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 6: As soon as he bought it, that started the whole

625
00:30:21,640 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 6: ship because somebody else said I want one too, and

626
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,880
Speaker 6: we were like, we'll only got one, but well, we'll

627
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 6: be back tomorrow, and then we came back. We sold

628
00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 6: all the drug dealers tapes, and then we said what next.

629
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 6: That's there's more drug dealers three blocks over.

630
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 1: You customize it one tape at a time, and would

631
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: you dup and doep and doep and deeper.

632
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:43,000
Speaker 6: So we go to my little home studio and we

633
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,080
Speaker 6: make a what are you working with? By this point

634
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:53,320
Speaker 6: I had acquired a radio or radio shack set up.

635
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,600
Speaker 6: I got the realistic hole, the mic, the mixer, and

636
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 6: the little effecting put a little little, little little double

637
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 6: effe and a nice cassetteler. So it's going through the

638
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 6: right channels. Depending on the quality of the cassettes you

639
00:31:09,760 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 6: use is the playback. So we selled I can make

640
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,680
Speaker 6: a low, a cheap ass fucking cassette sound good. I

641
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 6: knew how to set the levels, set them a little

642
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 6: bit into the red, you know, so it plays louder

643
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 6: than you know.

644
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 8: Realy ship figured out and what kind.

645
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 3: Of did you use for the cheap customers?

646
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 8: Anything Maxelle memorys TDK.

647
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:36,520
Speaker 6: It was all together with the cheap ship we used

648
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:38,760
Speaker 6: to use. Everything was a was a radio shock, all

649
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 6: the cheap ship radio shack. So three thirty minute concepts

650
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 6: for a dollar dollars ninety nine for three cassettes and

651
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 6: fifteen minutes on each side, and we seld them for

652
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 6: five dollars each, every two dollars, making fifteen dollars. That

653
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 6: was our hustle. And then and then we started doing

654
00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 6: these customized tapes. We started customized the tape to say, uh,

655
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 6: your name is so and so you drive this car,

656
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 6: you from this block, These are your homies this you

657
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:09,160
Speaker 6: know anything you wanted us to say out a pen

658
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,480
Speaker 6: and paper, like we'll be back tomorrow almost like so,

659
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,080
Speaker 6: we sold those for twenty and that's how I got

660
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 6: in Oakland that those those tapes were only purchased by

661
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:23,000
Speaker 6: at first by like the Kingpins. It started with one guy.

662
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 6: This one guy was he said, I don't give a

663
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:27,760
Speaker 6: fuck about that rap shit. I don't listen to no

664
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 6: fucking rap shit like O g right, he's like you,

665
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 6: he said, if it ain't about me, he listened to

666
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 6: that ship and we would. He was really like the

667
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 6: kind of guy that we were scared of, and out

668
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 6: of fear we went and made him a tape. So

669
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 6: look so he never he never acknowledged. We just like

670
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 6: a handoff and then walk away. He never acknowledged that

671
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 6: he listened to it. He never said he liked it.

672
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:57,120
Speaker 6: He never said Ship. One day a guy comes up

673
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 6: to us and we were on I'll never forget. We

674
00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 6: were on eighty like having her. He was like, do

675
00:33:01,160 --> 00:33:02,680
Speaker 6: you know what the fuck I am? My name is

676
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 6: King D, and I run this block. You on my block,

677
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:07,680
Speaker 6: And he was like, if you don't make me one

678
00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,400
Speaker 6: of them fucking tapes like you made, like you made

679
00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 6: hot lips, that's that other hot lists, hoth lifps was

680
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 6: it was a It was a tough guy.

681
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 8: He couldn't have a name like hot lists.

682
00:33:16,360 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 1: Not be tough.

683
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:20,719
Speaker 5: But I'm not laughing, you might be listening.

684
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 8: I'm just saying that it was his specialty. Was the

685
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 8: one punch that was a special.

686
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 6: So King D runs up on us and custs us

687
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:36,800
Speaker 6: the funk out like straight, like I'm going to funk

688
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 6: you up.

689
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,040
Speaker 8: You both of y'all fucked up. If I don't get

690
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 8: one of the tapes like he got and.

691
00:33:41,280 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 3: Not the cheap tapes from radio shot tell next day Bam.

692
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:47,800
Speaker 8: So ship would happen like this.

693
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 6: We'd be sitting on the bus stop and a fancy

694
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 6: car pull up and go, hey is it you too

695
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 6: short and Freddy B. We're like, yeah, like get in

696
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 6: the car, like what They're like, big Sonny wants to

697
00:33:58,360 --> 00:34:00,760
Speaker 6: meet y'all. Take us some nameborhood and he's like, yeah,

698
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:03,960
Speaker 6: I want one of those tapes too. So then we

699
00:34:04,040 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 6: spread around the city. We went to all the kingpins, everybody.

700
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 6: It just started being a kingpin thing. All the bosses

701
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,680
Speaker 6: wanted the customer tape, and that led to the trinkle

702
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 6: down of I remember I had a homily name YoY Yogi.

703
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 6: Drove us around all these little tough neighborhoods one day

704
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 6: and he was like, real scary dude. He's like, you

705
00:34:20,840 --> 00:34:22,920
Speaker 6: see this this too shortened, Freddy B. If they come

706
00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 6: over here selling tapes, buy him if you funk with them,

707
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 6: fucking you up to ship like that was just like

708
00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 6: just because he liked the music. So it was so

709
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 6: it was just you couldn't. You couldn't plan it, you

710
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 6: couldn't make it happy, you couldn't. It had to happen

711
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,279
Speaker 6: organically the only way time out.

712
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,360
Speaker 1: Am I the only one that's thinking he needs to

713
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:49,480
Speaker 1: pitch that story to Netflix. I would even want I

714
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: don't even want to shorts careers. I want.

715
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 5: It is it's like a snowfall cousin, Yeah, it was.

716
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:59,839
Speaker 1: It was the same years. Wow, this story is pre

717
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:00,680
Speaker 1: crack and.

718
00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 5: You're out of high school or you're still inside school.

719
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:03,720
Speaker 3: In high school.

720
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: That story to me is like I need to see

721
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:12,040
Speaker 1: this happens no one that has no one I want

722
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:16,160
Speaker 1: to tape, like I want to tape tape. Are you

723
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,840
Speaker 1: able to want assuming that these are one of the ones,

724
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 1: did you keep like a version for yourself in case

725
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,279
Speaker 1: they popped it or my tape mess up.

726
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 6: We did not know we were future stars. We did

727
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 6: not know we were any kind of famous we were.

728
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 3: It was the hustle.

729
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: We were like out, have you found anyview joints on

730
00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: the eBay?

731
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,120
Speaker 6: Or it would be a fun thing to do. People

732
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 6: in the bay always coming in and go, man, I

733
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 6: still got my tape. They have the customized tapes, they

734
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 6: have the ones they copy there you need.

735
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 8: It's a guy. Have you ever heard of Mike Mosley?

736
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:43,400
Speaker 1: Yes?

737
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, he uh he personally got had had was on

738
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,719
Speaker 6: a mission back in like the nineties and he was

739
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 6: taking all the two shirt tapes he can find and

740
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 6: put them on real real to reserve them.

741
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:58,719
Speaker 8: And he's like, I still got those reels bro.

742
00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 1: Hot to hear these joints, and it's at an hour.

743
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,440
Speaker 1: It's like a half hour each side.

744
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:06,160
Speaker 8: Or fifteen minutes on each side most of them.

745
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: Oh, you did the thirty minute joints. You really did

746
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: use the radio seck joints.

747
00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 6: And it was all I was an expert at the polsmics.

748
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 6: I could stop on the on the fore and hit

749
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 6: the AM and you'll get no noise when you let

750
00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 6: it back up on the ant.

751
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: So you weren't looping shit and none of that stuff.

752
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:25,560
Speaker 8: No, we just we were wrapped to the record ends,

753
00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 8: pose it and jump back in.

754
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:34,360
Speaker 1: So making a transition to studio work, how hard was

755
00:36:34,440 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: that for you in terms of just like leaving your

756
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: comfort zone, leaving your hustle.

757
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 3: Wait, no, look, let me tell you how.

758
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,879
Speaker 6: This was the drum machine. It's nineteen eighty four, eighty five.

759
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 6: It's the drum machine. It's like, you know, heavenly music.

760
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 6: If you see one, it's like, right, right, right, it's

761
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 6: a drum machine. If you let me touch one of

762
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 6: them motherfuckers. First, they just had that one with the time.

763
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 6: That's cool, that's cool. But when they came with the

764
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 6: drums like Len drums like drug, Like if you could

765
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 6: touch that shit, that ship was like, I mean, yeah,

766
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:08,719
Speaker 6: you're not gonna get me in the studio with a

767
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 6: drum machine and not you know what I'm saying. And

768
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:13,800
Speaker 6: I'm listening to everything hip hop, so I'm listening to

769
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 6: those records that are len drum records and just you

770
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 6: know it ain't even know music and nothing. I'm like,

771
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 6: I can do this shit Like it was never ever

772
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 6: a moment of possibilities. It was like, this is definite,

773
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:29,920
Speaker 6: this is this is it.

774
00:37:30,880 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 3: How did you go from seventy five girls to job?

775
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 3: When did they come into the picture?

776
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 6: Well, seventy five girls. Uh, we never did any contracts,

777
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:40,879
Speaker 6: We never had any agreements. It was like a family thing.

778
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:41,120
Speaker 3: It was.

779
00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,000
Speaker 6: It was the best shit that could ever happen to

780
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 6: me in the world, because, uh, the guy who ran

781
00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:48,800
Speaker 6: the label, who owned the label, he would literally go

782
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 6: to the studio, pay for the studio time, he would

783
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 6: pick up the mix down, you know, pay somebody to

784
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 6: mix it, pick up to all the shit, take it

785
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,600
Speaker 6: over to a manufacturer, and he'd get the ship manufactured.

786
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:01,440
Speaker 6: Then he all these boxes and ship and drop them

787
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 6: off for the distributor. Then he keep checking back the distributor,

788
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:05,680
Speaker 6: go back and pick up some money, and keep doing

789
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:07,239
Speaker 6: the ship. And he me and his little brother, we

790
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:08,880
Speaker 6: hung out with him all the time. So I'm sitting

791
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 6: there just watching where you go, what you do, the

792
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 6: whole process, just watching him. He would even tell us

793
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,239
Speaker 6: and then y'all go and pick up some boxes and

794
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 6: drop off the distributor. So I knew the guy's name.

795
00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 6: What's up, what's up, man, what's up? You know everywhere,

796
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 6: even to the people that did the graphics, the art,

797
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 6: artwork and ship. So one day he decided that he

798
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 6: literally told me and his little brother get the fuck

799
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 6: out my house. Fuck out my house, saying fuck the

800
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 6: ship nor he's fuck out of here, and just that

801
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 6: was it. And then and then we just sitting there

802
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 6: like on a.

803
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:45,520
Speaker 1: Whims were going good, I presume, but that was that was.

804
00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 6: Not his hustle, that was not his money. So I

805
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 6: guess at some point he just was like, I don't

806
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,319
Speaker 6: want y'all in my house anymore, because you know, that's

807
00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:55,720
Speaker 6: what all the fly equipment was, that's where everything gravitating

808
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,360
Speaker 6: around his house, and you know, it was it was

809
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 6: a hell of expres It's the kind of guy who

810
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 6: you know, you just walk in the house and it's

811
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 6: three chicks sitting on the couch and then underwear topless

812
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:11,240
Speaker 6: and dancing over there, and somebody's at the table smoking cocaine.

813
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:14,040
Speaker 8: Somebody over there is snorting the line and all kind

814
00:39:14,040 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 8: of shit. And it just was that house. It was

815
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:16,359
Speaker 8: that place.

816
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,239
Speaker 1: Now as you're coming up, is there is there competition?

817
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 5: You know?

818
00:39:21,840 --> 00:39:25,960
Speaker 1: Are you? I don't know how, Like I know E

819
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,359
Speaker 1: forty was born in the nineties or whatever, but I'm

820
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:33,320
Speaker 1: just saying that, surely you're not the only horse on

821
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: the on the on the track.

822
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 6: That's like, so what me and Freddy B did in

823
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 6: the early eighties put us way ahead of anybody that

824
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 6: could ever claim any kind of hip hop legacy in

825
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 6: the Bay. Nothing happened before too short and Freddy be nothing.

826
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 6: So Freddy B, you know, he's he's a preacher now,

827
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:53,279
Speaker 6: but he had to go through his journey, right and

828
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 6: his journey took him right out of high school and

829
00:39:57,239 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 6: in the prison. And that's when I started making records

830
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:01,880
Speaker 6: on a larger scale. So he kind of missed the

831
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 6: beginning of that. And you know, but fred Fred I

832
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,080
Speaker 6: give him a lot of credit for my journey he

833
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 6: was when he came to our school, he was coming

834
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 6: out of jail and had to go to continuation school

835
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 6: and earn his way back into the regular school system.

836
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,000
Speaker 6: He gets back to the school, he becomes the fucking

837
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,240
Speaker 6: editor of the paper. He becomes the principal's best fucking

838
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 6: student friend. He acquires the fucking keys to the entire

839
00:40:26,760 --> 00:40:30,839
Speaker 6: school through I don't know, I guess he's fucking stole them,

840
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 6: copied on the fuck he did. He stole the principals stamp,

841
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,960
Speaker 6: signature stamp, as well as every pass that gets you

842
00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 6: to leave campus, walk around campus, all kinds of ship

843
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 6: hall passed. He stole them all in the stamp and

844
00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 6: he just he was.

845
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:45,440
Speaker 3: That's Freddie.

846
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 6: He was, he was, and he fucking Eddie has school

847
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 6: y'all as so fast. And then we're going, like, do

848
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,000
Speaker 6: they fucking know who this guy is? We got to

849
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 6: keep the pass key to every lock at the school,

850
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,880
Speaker 6: every gate, really fucking with Freddie beat And that was

851
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 6: my rat partner. So he was that guy man, and

852
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:11,880
Speaker 6: and you know, it was just a no brainer to

853
00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:14,840
Speaker 6: get in the studio and make hits. After the legacy

854
00:41:14,880 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 6: that we built, the foundation that we built.

855
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: I mean as you're making this stuff, I mean, eventually

856
00:41:24,160 --> 00:41:26,720
Speaker 1: you're gonna where's the idea that you're going to actually

857
00:41:26,760 --> 00:41:27,800
Speaker 1: start have to perform?

858
00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 6: And well we were getting we had another element. All

859
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 6: this shit happened by accidents, so we did not plan

860
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 6: the shit out we were. We taught ourselves to be DJs,

861
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,720
Speaker 6: like we just that's nothing to do, right, teach yourself

862
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,040
Speaker 6: to be a fucking DJ in the early eighties, so

863
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 6: we wanted dj the house parties.

864
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,799
Speaker 1: We net rhythm, so it couldn't have been that hard.

865
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 6: So we knew all the fucking gangsters who are our customers,

866
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 6: and people would throw these house parties in Oakland. You know,

867
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,359
Speaker 6: the index card such and such address, dollar for a drink,

868
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,200
Speaker 6: dollar interurance, all this stuff, those type of parties, and

869
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,239
Speaker 6: we DJ for a hundred bucks something like that. And

870
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 6: at every house party when midnight hit, we tell everybody

871
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 6: to come around the turntables and we're gonna rap. And

872
00:42:11,360 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 6: they wanted to see it. They was like two Short

873
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 6: and Freddy B. People wanted two Short and Freddy B

874
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,120
Speaker 6: to DJ air parties. They wanted us to rap. They

875
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,879
Speaker 6: wanted to see the ship. So we're rapping at these

876
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 6: house parties just in the living room. The fucking DJ

877
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,120
Speaker 6: setup is in the kitchen. The bedroom is the VIP

878
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 6: or some shit.

879
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 3: Or the bar. You know what I'm saying.

880
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:30,839
Speaker 6: You know that shit right right. If it's a fight,

881
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 6: I got to stop the music. Everybody goes outside. We

882
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:38,360
Speaker 6: watched the fight and then we come back in those parties,

883
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 6: take y'all go take that shit outside, you know. So

884
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 6: most DJs who really were DJ's couldn't go there. They

885
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:48,840
Speaker 6: probably take your ship, they get your ass whip, you

886
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:49,279
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying.

887
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,400
Speaker 3: It was DJ wise.

888
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 6: We probably had two guys who did the hood parties too,

889
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 6: because they had, you know, the past. But I think

890
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,520
Speaker 6: doing those parties of people who are at those parties

891
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 6: are like, fuck you know that fuck that shit, like

892
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 6: you really got a rocket so but you.

893
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,399
Speaker 1: Were protected and so. But I mean, like how rough

894
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 1: were these were these parties.

895
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 8: But it was no protection at a random ass house party.

896
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:16,319
Speaker 8: It was just like you just in that shit.

897
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 6: Man, ain't no you know, shit bullets and shit start

898
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 6: flying on a protection. But it was you just got

899
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:24,320
Speaker 6: the past to beat amongst the amongst the crowd. But

900
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 6: that was I just I feel like, man, all this

901
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 6: shit happened two for a reason. We're sitting here rocking

902
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 6: these house parties all over the city. The first time

903
00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 6: I ever did a show in the city, the whole

904
00:43:37,120 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 6: fucking crowd knew the worst of my songs. I never

905
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:41,480
Speaker 6: had a record out. I've never had a record out there.

906
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 6: Asked me to open up for UTFO nineteen eighty five,

907
00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 6: Rock Sand Rock Sand. I was like, Okay, I'll do it.

908
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 6: The promoter was a Lionel B. Bill Graham, and Lionel

909
00:43:50,560 --> 00:43:52,400
Speaker 6: B knew about me because he's from Oakland v.

910
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:53,120
Speaker 1: Bill Graham.

911
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 6: Yeah, because you know he had a oh he controls all. Yeah,

912
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 6: he had a black division called Barrier Productions.

913
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 5: Y'all tell us Bill.

914
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 1: Bill Graham is the legendary promoter with he he I mean,

915
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 1: he is the He was the taste maker of the

916
00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,600
Speaker 1: whole hippie love movement.

917
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:16,520
Speaker 8: So he was the Grateful Day, a never ending concert

918
00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 8: that last till.

919
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 1: Yeah the fell More East. So he's he made stars

920
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:23,760
Speaker 1: out of Hendrix. You went through him, then you became

921
00:44:23,800 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: an international store. So the doors, Hendrix, Jopplin, they all

922
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: had to go through Bill Graham and too Short. Yeah,

923
00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 1: I mean he controlled, he controlled like he's the original

924
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: Al Hayman.

925
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 6: So I get on a Bill Graham show. It's UTFO

926
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,839
Speaker 6: their headlining Roxanne Roxanes. The head is early nineteen eighty five,

927
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:48,160
Speaker 6: and it's probably like five thousand people, Oklaudatorium. I've never

928
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:51,680
Speaker 6: seen a crowd more than one hundred two hundred people

929
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 6: at the most I've ever seen my life.

930
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:55,440
Speaker 8: And I mean, I don't care, man. I went out there.

931
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,880
Speaker 6: I put on a black leather suit. I went and

932
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,640
Speaker 6: brought a hat like I can look like rendiems some shit,

933
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 6: and I got some instruments. I remember one of the

934
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,879
Speaker 6: instruments I did was Friends from Houdini. I can't remember

935
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 6: what the other one was were it might have been.

936
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 6: I think I did something off of Rapping Duke instrument.

937
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 6: And I went out there and sang the lyrics to

938
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 6: the songs that I would sell on the tapes in

939
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:22,279
Speaker 6: the streets, and the whole crowd for fifteen minutes sang

940
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:24,720
Speaker 6: everywhere with me, word for word. I get off stage

941
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 6: and people are like, who the fuck are you? Like

942
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 6: who the fuck are you? And how the fuck did

943
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 6: you do that? But that that was just how That's

944
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 6: how it happened, man, Like everywhere I went from then

945
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 6: on everybody knew the.

946
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:39,040
Speaker 1: Words, so can I ask? I'm in retrospect. I'm trying

947
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 1: to figure if there's another example of someone that has

948
00:45:43,239 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: variety in their in their own hometown where they go national.

949
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 1: It's almost like that Go Go act, you know, like

950
00:45:51,200 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: Chuck Brown can control the whole d m V area between.

951
00:45:54,520 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 3: The Yeah, but even he started out in Richmond.

952
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:04,120
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, But I'm just saying, like a cat like

953
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: ghetto boys in Houston.

954
00:46:06,520 --> 00:46:10,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, they were, They were famous in Houston doing shit

955
00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:13,239
Speaker 6: and then it broke out and then Houston loved them,

956
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 6: Like that's the birth of Houston hip hop?

957
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:17,719
Speaker 8: Is scarfacing Willie Dan.

958
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 1: Now, usually the narrative is that once someone ramps up

959
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: their situation, the same thing we look at Miami, look

960
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 1: at Miami. But I'm saying that usually if someone tries

961
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:32,680
Speaker 1: to ramp up their situation, usually like that's when well, no,

962
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 1: I'm like, usually, I mean that's when that's the tipping

963
00:46:36,960 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 1: point or that sort of diminished returns. But I mean

964
00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: that's not that way with you, Like, were you intimidated

965
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,760
Speaker 1: at all? Like Okay, now I gotta take this formula

966
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: and make it national.

967
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 3: So that.

968
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 6: I knew I was told in the early days in

969
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 6: eighty five eighty six, when I got in the studio,

970
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 6: they were like, you can't do the stuff that you

971
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 6: do in the streets. You can't curve in the records

972
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,080
Speaker 6: because you can't market them and sell them and give

973
00:47:03,120 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 6: them the record store. There's only only people that can

974
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:05,880
Speaker 6: curse on records are comedians.

975
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:08,400
Speaker 3: And I took it.

976
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,960
Speaker 6: I was like, okay, I made two albums with no cursing,

977
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:15,200
Speaker 6: and the two first albums on seventy five Girls, and

978
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,759
Speaker 6: then it came time for us to do our own thing.

979
00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:19,720
Speaker 6: And I had always had this song called Freaky Tales.

980
00:47:19,800 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 6: I always had it, I had wrote. I had been

981
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:25,000
Speaker 6: writing Freaky Tails since I was sixteen. It started off

982
00:47:25,040 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 6: with like ten girls and it ended up Yeah, it

983
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 6: was with seventy five and the official version has like

984
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 6: about forty something. But I was on seventy five Girls Records,

985
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 6: so I was gonna make a song about fucking all

986
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 6: seventy five girls. And by the way, that label was

987
00:47:40,680 --> 00:47:43,719
Speaker 6: named after a Johnny guitar Watson line, I can't take

988
00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 6: the name of the song, but Johnny guitar sitting one

989
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:46,800
Speaker 6: of his songs I wrote up on a horse and

990
00:47:46,880 --> 00:47:49,560
Speaker 6: kissed seventy five girls at the same time, and my

991
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:55,239
Speaker 6: man Dean Hodges was like, that's me. Of course, seventy

992
00:47:55,280 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 6: five girls at the same time. So I don't know, man,

993
00:47:58,840 --> 00:47:59,600
Speaker 6: I forgot what I'll saying.

994
00:48:01,160 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: Oh, forty girls, Yeah, your Freaky Tails records.

995
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 8: And then yeah, I said, just let me record this song,

996
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:09,680
Speaker 8: Freaky Tails.

997
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:12,359
Speaker 6: If I record this, I already had the baseline, had

998
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 6: the drum pattern, I had the lyrics. Just give me

999
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 6: the studio and record this and watch what happens.

1000
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 8: I knew it.

1001
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 6: I knew it, and I knew it, and we just

1002
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,719
Speaker 6: everything that I'm living on right now is started off,

1003
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 6: like financially, started off.

1004
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:24,879
Speaker 8: With Freaky Tails.

1005
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:26,920
Speaker 3: So was that when job came into the picture.

1006
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:29,480
Speaker 6: Joe picked up that album Freak eachaels on the album

1007
00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 6: called Born Max and released. We recorded the whole album

1008
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 6: before we released the single. We recorded the album, we

1009
00:48:36,520 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 6: did the artwork, we had the ship ready to go,

1010
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,040
Speaker 6: and we said, we're gonna take this song, Freaky Tails.

1011
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,720
Speaker 6: We're gonna press up two thousand cassettes. When we sell those,

1012
00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,319
Speaker 6: we're gonna press up two thousand more. We're gonna sell

1013
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 6: the cassettes until we get fifteen thousand dollars. We get

1014
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 6: fifteen thousand, we're gonna buy albums and cassettes and we're

1015
00:48:55,480 --> 00:48:57,320
Speaker 6: gonna press the whole album up and we're gonna.

1016
00:48:57,120 --> 00:48:58,279
Speaker 8: Sell us for five dollars a pop.

1017
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 6: So the first wat we get, you know, the first

1018
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,400
Speaker 6: time fifteen thousand is gonna make a sixty grand and

1019
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 6: then we're gonna take that and we're gonna flip another

1020
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 6: fifteen And.

1021
00:49:07,520 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 8: We did the ship like woo woo woop.

1022
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,000
Speaker 6: I mean, Jibe got wind of us. We were probably

1023
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 6: up to about, I don't know, a few hundred thousand,

1024
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,239
Speaker 6: and we just kept flipping the ship like because we

1025
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 6: were we were from drug dealers.

1026
00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 1: Why stop a good formula where like you own it?

1027
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: And I mean did you? Because that puts you in

1028
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:29,000
Speaker 1: the category of being Barry Gordy and Smokie Robinson at

1029
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: the same time.

1030
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 6: So I signed up with Jive because Barry Wise called

1031
00:49:34,200 --> 00:49:34,800
Speaker 6: me personally.

1032
00:49:35,360 --> 00:49:36,479
Speaker 8: I didn't. I didn't.

1033
00:49:36,520 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 6: I wasn't listening for no dollar amounts, no nothing. I

1034
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:42,360
Speaker 6: wasn't thinking about that. I was thinking about what it

1035
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 6: would be like to get the music to the whole world.

1036
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 6: And then I was thinking like like people signed the

1037
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 6: Jive because Too Short was on job pemp c and

1038
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:54,439
Speaker 6: like they're like forty ike one, Like I'm too short

1039
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 6: of I'm signing. So I signed a Jive because who

1040
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 6: didn't even on that motherfucking right mod was on that motherfucker.

1041
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,439
Speaker 6: Karen's wanted just signed up. Will Smith with the Fresh

1042
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 6: Prince was on that motherfucker, like Billy Ocean was on

1043
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 6: that motherfucker was.

1044
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:12,360
Speaker 8: I was like, I like jib you know, so.

1045
00:50:15,560 --> 00:50:17,279
Speaker 6: You could you could call it the Gift in the Curse,

1046
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 6: but it would I would not be too short the

1047
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:23,720
Speaker 6: megastar without Jive Records, but also, you know, the independent

1048
00:50:23,800 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 6: run would have probably been a lot better to do

1049
00:50:26,200 --> 00:50:29,000
Speaker 6: it with those albums I gave Jive, But at the

1050
00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:31,399
Speaker 6: same time, we never stopped our independent hustle. I put

1051
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 6: Too Short on Jive, but we kept selling independent ship.

1052
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:35,840
Speaker 3: We never stopped, and.

1053
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 1: You know it was it was not I think I

1054
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: think we did the right thing.

1055
00:50:40,640 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 3: Did they still let you do your own thing? You

1056
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 3: still recorded in Oakland and all that.

1057
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, Jive is a very controlling label.

1058
00:50:46,560 --> 00:50:48,760
Speaker 6: Back in those times, they were very controlling with the artists,

1059
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 6: trying to get you to record at Battery studios, and

1060
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 6: then they fucking walking in the back door watching.

1061
00:50:53,160 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 3: Looking over your shoulders to London over there.

1062
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:57,440
Speaker 8: Never never never never know.

1063
00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 3: So this is how I asked you.

1064
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:00,960
Speaker 6: At least never. I never even talked to the job

1065
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,000
Speaker 6: that much. We didn't really communicate a lot in the

1066
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 6: early days. Okay, this is how I handled jib. Born

1067
00:51:06,600 --> 00:51:08,719
Speaker 6: in Mac was the album that they called me and

1068
00:51:09,080 --> 00:51:10,439
Speaker 6: they were like, we wanted to take over this album.

1069
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 6: So they picked up Born and Mac sold a few

1070
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 6: hundred thousand copies and and you know, we got to

1071
00:51:17,600 --> 00:51:20,239
Speaker 6: deliver a new album. So when they got Born in Mac,

1072
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,640
Speaker 6: it was already an album, so they obviously got it

1073
00:51:22,680 --> 00:51:24,240
Speaker 6: all in one, one one delivery.

1074
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 8: Here here's the album. Take over.

1075
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:28,839
Speaker 6: But the next time they were like, okay, we're ready

1076
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 6: to make the new album. We're gonna send you the

1077
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 6: upfront budget to start the album. And I'm like, shit,

1078
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:38,279
Speaker 6: the album's already recorded, everything, we got the artwork, everything's done. Yeah,

1079
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 6: So we sent it to him and they just send

1080
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 6: the front and in the back end at one time,

1081
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:45,600
Speaker 6: just here you go. So I was like, I would

1082
00:51:45,640 --> 00:51:48,960
Speaker 6: record an album before the one that's I would play out.

1083
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 6: I'd record the next one. Get the artwork together, and shit, Prince,

1084
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:55,840
Speaker 6: I would send jibs without them ever calling me. I

1085
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 6: was sending them before I even got the first the

1086
00:51:58,120 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 6: upfront money to start the album. I would sending them

1087
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:04,000
Speaker 6: the artwork that all the songs mixed down, and I

1088
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 6: send them handwritten by handwriting the fucking credits, and I'm like,

1089
00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:09,919
Speaker 6: send me the damn checks.

1090
00:52:10,160 --> 00:52:13,240
Speaker 8: Here's everything. Because they said they had a thing called delivery.

1091
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 3: What is delivery?

1092
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:15,680
Speaker 1: Right? This the fucking delivery.

1093
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 6: We didn't have to We didn't have to do any

1094
00:52:18,760 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 6: clearances or any We never sampled nobody's shit. We never

1095
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:24,720
Speaker 6: fucking you know, even even if we did like replays

1096
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,759
Speaker 6: or some shit you know less. But a lot of

1097
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 6: our shit was like we were motherfuckers in the studio

1098
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,280
Speaker 6: hitting the ship and shooting from scratch.

1099
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 8: So it wasn't a lot of So.

1100
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: For the songs that you had to do interpolations on

1101
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 1: like say what life is too short? Or you know

1102
00:52:40,000 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: the ghetto, like how was that handled? Was it just

1103
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: like we did the average white band get there on

1104
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: the later like wait a minute, that's our shit.

1105
00:52:48,920 --> 00:52:51,240
Speaker 8: You know, Like no, we did an advanced job drivers

1106
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:51,600
Speaker 8: on point.

1107
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,560
Speaker 1: Oh okay, well, I mean that was just unprecedented. Well,

1108
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 1: I mean, but that also came out like eighty seventy eighty.

1109
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,200
Speaker 6: One of the best things happened to me music wise

1110
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 6: was Donnie had to his wife thanking me. I was

1111
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 6: at a Leila halfway concert and it's like her mother

1112
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:05,960
Speaker 6: wants to meet you. She was like, I just want

1113
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:06,279
Speaker 6: to thank you.

1114
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:07,960
Speaker 1: Oh you probably came through like.

1115
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 3: That was college the problem.

1116
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:12,600
Speaker 1: She said, thank you.

1117
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:15,719
Speaker 6: That was a big deal because I remember when that

1118
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 6: record came up on the auction block and I was like,

1119
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 6: I don't I like to take all the publice.

1120
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:20,919
Speaker 8: I don't want another ship.

1121
00:53:20,920 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 3: I'll take it.

1122
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 5: Have you ever gotten tonight?

1123
00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 8: Like hell yeah, hell yeah.

1124
00:53:25,760 --> 00:53:29,359
Speaker 3: I can't think of who but who but someone? Yeah?

1125
00:53:29,520 --> 00:53:31,879
Speaker 6: Two shirt is not about to butcher my fucking music.

1126
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 6: It has been, it has been said so.

1127
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: In promoting I know that you were on the was

1128
00:53:42,400 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 1: was the n w A tour like your first national tour?

1129
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,799
Speaker 1: Like were you ever on any of like the Deaf

1130
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:50,040
Speaker 1: Jam tours or those?

1131
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 8: Nope, nope, nope.

1132
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 6: Got a couple of little opening at spots through once

1133
00:53:57,040 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 6: again Bill Graham and Barrier predictions and where I opened

1134
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 6: for uh could have been like who DEENI, and some

1135
00:54:03,640 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 6: of it wasn't ever fresh Fellow.

1136
00:54:05,080 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: Or none of that stuff, like were you were you

1137
00:54:08,120 --> 00:54:12,399
Speaker 1: mixing and chopping it up with your contemporaries of eighty six,

1138
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: eighty seven, eighty eight Like.

1139
00:54:14,040 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 8: In the early days. I remember the show I got

1140
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:17,040
Speaker 8: to open up for.

1141
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:20,040
Speaker 6: It was when it was uh when a check out,

1142
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:21,840
Speaker 6: My melody was the hottest shit, and it was Public

1143
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,400
Speaker 6: Enemy had one song and it was you know, Russell

1144
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:25,279
Speaker 6: sent them all out young.

1145
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 8: They were all young.

1146
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:28,680
Speaker 6: I'm not sure if Slick Rick was was there yet,

1147
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,440
Speaker 6: but it was the eighty seven eighty seven, eighty eighties

1148
00:54:32,520 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 6: crew that was under a rush management and it wasn't

1149
00:54:35,360 --> 00:54:37,879
Speaker 6: run DMC. Probably who Deni was headlining with run DMC

1150
00:54:38,040 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 6: was bigger than all that shit. But I remember it

1151
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 6: being Public Enemy Ariban rock camp in the city, just

1152
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 6: being excited to see them for the first time.

1153
00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,480
Speaker 8: So I probably got to go out and do like

1154
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 8: two songs.

1155
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:52,800
Speaker 6: But I remember back then, motherfucking rappers didn't talk to

1156
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:54,319
Speaker 6: each other a lot, like if you're on the show,

1157
00:54:54,320 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 6: it another rapper. It wasn't like what's up, homie, Like

1158
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 6: you see the motherfuckers, you just look, you look and

1159
00:54:58,680 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 6: look away. And don't say shit like.

1160
00:55:01,800 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 1: No matter where you're from, like no matter where I

1161
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: was figuring public in me like they're very diplomatic.

1162
00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:08,319
Speaker 6: I was about to say, the only ones to talk

1163
00:55:08,360 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 6: to you is like Houdini and Chuck d. I wouldn't

1164
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,399
Speaker 6: not even flavor fla. Nobody was talking, nobody was saying

1165
00:55:14,120 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 6: you can't EPMD was on those stewards too. Me and

1166
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 6: Eric Certinon became really good friends. I was like, do

1167
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 6: you realize we used to stand next to each other

1168
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:22,919
Speaker 6: and don't say ship?

1169
00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 5: Wow?

1170
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 8: I No, I don't know.

1171
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 3: No.

1172
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 6: If you ever want to embarrass the funk out of

1173
00:55:30,880 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 6: yourself back in the eighties, walk up to ll cool

1174
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:35,480
Speaker 6: J And say hey, what's up man?

1175
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 8: And watch him ignore the funk out of you.

1176
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,960
Speaker 1: Damn he's been a niggas for a long Was he

1177
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 1: just aloof like, oh I didn't see you there?

1178
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:48,040
Speaker 6: No, no, No, L practiced that ship how to stare

1179
00:55:48,120 --> 00:55:50,160
Speaker 6: the funk at you and not say ship look at

1180
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 6: you like you are you really talking to me?

1181
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 5: Like you got some nerve niggas.

1182
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:58,640
Speaker 8: I never did it, but I watched people do it.

1183
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 1: Don't don't don't so by.

1184
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 5: The time, the whole time your your accounting parents are

1185
00:56:06,280 --> 00:56:07,720
Speaker 5: down with your new endeavors.

1186
00:56:07,880 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 6: Oh well, that's that's another story. So think about So

1187
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:14,719
Speaker 6: my parents were the last ones to find out I was.

1188
00:56:16,440 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 1: I was not the only one on this. I knew

1189
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:22,000
Speaker 1: I was not. No one believes me when I told

1190
00:56:22,040 --> 00:56:24,400
Speaker 1: my dad found out about the roots, like on our second.

1191
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:26,960
Speaker 3: Album, when did they find out about your about you?

1192
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 6: I probably was album. I hadn't made any albums yet,

1193
00:56:32,040 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 6: but I probably was. I think I was working on

1194
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 6: the first album and it was that time. They're like,

1195
00:56:36,400 --> 00:56:38,879
Speaker 6: all right, college time, and I'm like, I think I'm

1196
00:56:38,920 --> 00:56:40,319
Speaker 6: gonna make a few records first.

1197
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I wasn't going to Juilliard.

1198
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,759
Speaker 6: Out of record deal props gave me the speech about man,

1199
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 6: it's great what you do. I heard some of it

1200
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 6: is you know it's great, but it's not. But you're

1201
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,360
Speaker 6: going to make a living off doing that. I'm like,

1202
00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:56,640
Speaker 6: all right, So I had I lied.

1203
00:56:56,680 --> 00:56:56,960
Speaker 1: I lied.

1204
00:56:57,280 --> 00:56:57,799
Speaker 8: I lied a lot.

1205
00:56:58,560 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 6: My mother found out I was a rapper by she

1206
00:57:02,080 --> 00:57:07,320
Speaker 6: found this this rap book that I had written, and

1207
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,160
Speaker 6: she never came to me and said, like, do you

1208
00:57:10,239 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 6: wrap it? We didn't have a conversation about the rap

1209
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 6: She slipped a note into my rap book.

1210
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 8: It's like a nine.

1211
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 3: Page guilty ass letter.

1212
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: Like that's worse.

1213
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:21,959
Speaker 8: She's like, I didn't raise you like this. I didn't

1214
00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 8: like I know.

1215
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 3: She was a shock.

1216
00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:27,600
Speaker 1: It was like finding the Player's magazine. Yeah, she found

1217
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: your lyrics.

1218
00:57:28,240 --> 00:57:32,640
Speaker 3: She was disappointed, found freaky tales. She was hurt. When

1219
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 3: did they finally like that house? When did they finally

1220
00:57:35,120 --> 00:57:38,960
Speaker 3: be like okay good? When did they finally let up? Well,

1221
00:57:39,080 --> 00:57:39,800
Speaker 3: my mother.

1222
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:44,440
Speaker 8: Watched she often. I never talked to her about this,

1223
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:46,479
Speaker 8: but I think that she knew I was full of shit.

1224
00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 6: Around nineteen eighty six, I had been fucking with seventy

1225
00:57:50,440 --> 00:57:53,000
Speaker 6: five girls and it was it was the time when

1226
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 6: his brother, the owner of the label, Dean, kicked me

1227
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 6: and a little brother out and we had a struggle. Man,

1228
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 6: We struggled for like we went from in the big

1229
00:58:00,720 --> 00:58:04,880
Speaker 6: house to like, you know, just can't even fucking afford

1230
00:58:04,920 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 6: food and shit. Like we was doing bad for about

1231
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 6: six months, really, man. And during that time, I was good.

1232
00:58:13,160 --> 00:58:15,160
Speaker 6: I was I was real shabby, man. I was like,

1233
00:58:15,240 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 6: you know, I wasn't really like fly. And I remember

1234
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:20,200
Speaker 6: my mother came down for my birthday and I didn't

1235
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,720
Speaker 6: ask for shit. I was not like nineteen or something,

1236
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:25,200
Speaker 6: and she brought me all these fucking clothes and shoes

1237
00:58:25,200 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 6: and shit, and I was like I needed it. At

1238
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:29,200
Speaker 6: the time, I was like cool, but I look back

1239
00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,880
Speaker 6: on it now thinking like my mother probably seen how shabby.

1240
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:37,680
Speaker 1: Get some damn clothes. Wait, So you know, the struggle

1241
00:58:37,760 --> 00:58:38,600
Speaker 1: was was real.

1242
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 6: And then later on when I finally could call home,

1243
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 6: because I had called home many times and lied and

1244
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:48,720
Speaker 6: said I'm doing great, like that ship's on the radio.

1245
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:52,240
Speaker 6: I'm balling like I lied like a motherfucker. So when

1246
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:58,320
Speaker 6: it really did do good. I I remember doing the

1247
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:02,960
Speaker 6: show in Phoenix, and of course my mother had to come.

1248
00:59:03,840 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 6: But then when she really got there because I'm like

1249
00:59:06,560 --> 00:59:08,440
Speaker 6: trying to be all proud and ship. But when she

1250
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,200
Speaker 6: got there, I was like, fuck, I can't do the

1251
00:59:11,240 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 6: show in front of her. So I I helped you

1252
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,520
Speaker 6: pull it off, I told her, but I was like,

1253
00:59:17,520 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 6: don't let my mother go in the crowd. They're like, well,

1254
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 6: you go on.

1255
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 8: In five minutes, she's out there like it ain't gonna

1256
00:59:21,840 --> 00:59:23,120
Speaker 8: be no show. Somebody to do something.

1257
00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:23,360
Speaker 1: I'm not.

1258
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:28,680
Speaker 8: I can't do this in front of her, So we

1259
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:38,640
Speaker 8: got her backstage. It was that type of ship.

1260
00:59:39,120 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: Wait, what was it just on a regular spot date

1261
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,600
Speaker 1: or was it like it was w A, I think

1262
00:59:44,640 --> 00:59:48,400
Speaker 1: we're on tour. Wait she was backstage and it was safer.

1263
00:59:50,320 --> 00:59:54,200
Speaker 6: Well, I'm saying she couldn't. She could not ever see

1264
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 6: me perfom ever.

1265
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 8: I couldn't.

1266
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:58,880
Speaker 1: I can't yet to see a two short show.

1267
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 3: Nah, ye know?

1268
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:02,680
Speaker 1: Wow?

1269
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 3: Had she heard the music?

1270
01:00:04,960 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 6: You've seen TV stuff, She seen videos. She's seeing the

1271
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:08,320
Speaker 6: clean version.

1272
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, look this is my mother.

1273
01:00:12,600 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 6: They're like missus Shaw. You know, do you know your

1274
01:00:15,560 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 6: son is like the dirtiest rapper out there. She's like,

1275
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:18,760
Speaker 6: I never heard him cuss.

1276
01:00:18,880 --> 01:00:19,120
Speaker 8: I don't.

1277
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 6: People people say that, People say that, I'm sure he

1278
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 6: does it, but I haven't heard it. And she just

1279
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 6: she wouldn't play it. She had every album I ever

1280
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 6: made in plastic.

1281
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 3: What about your pot? He has heard?

1282
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,920
Speaker 6: See your father don't have that conversation with you, you

1283
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:38,480
Speaker 6: know what I mean? Like he he's, uh, we don't.

1284
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 6: We don't talk to you, short man.

1285
01:00:39,600 --> 01:00:40,520
Speaker 3: We just don't. Like he's.

1286
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 8: He couldn't come to me and go, you know, I'll

1287
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 8: be bumping that one song.

1288
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: He couldn't. This is the long thirty year version of

1289
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:52,240
Speaker 1: the White Olph in the room.

1290
01:00:52,280 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 11: When I was talking about what about your your brother,

1291
01:00:55,880 --> 01:00:58,840
Speaker 11: your older brother that you my older brother is uh

1292
01:00:59,360 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 11: this is his He's like, I'm like, man, people like

1293
01:01:03,080 --> 01:01:03,479
Speaker 11: my music.

1294
01:01:03,560 --> 01:01:06,280
Speaker 6: He's like, it's cool, but you'll never be run DMC.

1295
01:01:06,760 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm like, well, I ain't trying to be

1296
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:10,840
Speaker 6: run ding Like I'm just saying you ain't never gonna

1297
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 6: be shipp because he's like these little people around here

1298
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 6: like it. Man, it's like this ship's whacked. He's like,

1299
01:01:15,880 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 6: I'm bumping l I'm bumping like you ain't.

1300
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: Like the East Coast playing on the load. He was

1301
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 1: just to this day.

1302
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:25,840
Speaker 6: He would just destroy your dream. If you walked in

1303
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 6: and said I'm gonna be the greatest drummer the world.

1304
01:01:28,320 --> 01:01:30,000
Speaker 6: He's like, you're a good drummer, but you're never gonna

1305
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:35,040
Speaker 6: be the greatest. What's that motivation for you? Years later

1306
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,360
Speaker 6: we talked ship. I'm like, I'm like i should talking

1307
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 6: right now. It's like I'm your fucking big brother. Like

1308
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 6: I'm the big brother. I'll be looking out for you.

1309
01:01:43,040 --> 01:01:47,880
Speaker 8: And he's like he's like, uh, all those years I

1310
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 8: put you down, I was I was making you. I

1311
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 8: was making you strong.

1312
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 1: Man.

1313
01:01:53,800 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 8: He's like I knew he was dope, like ship he was.

1314
01:01:56,200 --> 01:01:56,400
Speaker 1: Hey.

1315
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Speaker 6: We used to walk down the street arguing like a motherfucker,

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Speaker 6: arguing about everything in the world.

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Speaker 8: Me and my brother.

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Speaker 3: We would argue to the death.

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Speaker 1: That's crazy to this day. Yo. So what was tour

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Speaker 1: life like during that period?

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Speaker 6: I mean nineteen eighty nine, straight out of Compton, first

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Speaker 6: chour I ever went on.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about it.

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Speaker 8: First start was Nashville, Tennessee.

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Speaker 1: I had my.

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Speaker 6: Girlfriend take me to the airport in Oakland. I'd been

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Speaker 6: with her for like about a year and a half.

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Speaker 6: I was really did love her. She was beautiful and

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Speaker 6: she was beautiful man. I was so in love it

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Speaker 6: with my younger love likes to be with my girlfriend

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01:02:41,160 --> 01:02:42,400
Speaker 6: every day, and I was like, Babe, I'm about to

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Speaker 6: go on tour. When I get there. Every day the

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Speaker 6: first night Pandemonian. First night, I didn't call home. The

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01:02:54,360 --> 01:02:56,160
Speaker 6: first day, I never from called home.

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Speaker 3: It's like some shot I've never I had, never coming home.

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Speaker 6: And then you know, I did that tour with NWA

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01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 6: and the very next year Ice Cube quit and he

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01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:11,560
Speaker 6: went on he did America's Most Wanted and me and him,

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01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:12,640
Speaker 6: me and ice Cube is right.

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Speaker 8: He went on another tour the very next year. So

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01:03:15,360 --> 01:03:18,800
Speaker 8: for two years, for the ice Cube Tour and the

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Speaker 8: NWA tour, everything you could think about young rock star young,

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Speaker 8: that was me I did.

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Speaker 3: It was that when five thousand girls y'all did the

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01:03:27,760 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 3: nothing but a Word to Me record.

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Speaker 8: That was the secondary gotcha, that was my record.

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Speaker 3: I love that joint.

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Speaker 1: So okay, it would be remiss to say that as

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Speaker 1: a Philadelphian growing up on the East Coast, I'll say

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Speaker 1: that at least between like in the early nineties, the

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01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:54,040
Speaker 1: idea of opinions and cultural differences between the coast. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it was definitely a thing. What were your feelings like

1353
01:03:58,400 --> 01:04:02,840
Speaker 1: when you would read the sort like the critical claim

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Speaker 1: or any that stuff being anything to.

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Speaker 6: Okay, so early on, I made money early on, I'm

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01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:12,160
Speaker 6: famous as fuck. Early on, I'm rocking crowds. My self

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01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 6: esteem is way to fuck up there, I'm rapping. I've

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01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 6: considered myself nothing of sexy sex symbol, nothing, I'm me,

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01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 6: I've I got money, and I won't even fix my

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01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,760
Speaker 6: fucking teeth. I'm like, fucking, I'm just I'm just doing it,

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01:04:26,720 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 6: and you know, I'm just doing it. Man, it didn't

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01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:30,560
Speaker 6: bother me at all to be on TV with a

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01:04:30,600 --> 01:04:32,640
Speaker 6: fucked up grill. I was like, I had a pool

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Speaker 6: in my backyard. I don't give a fuck out of

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01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:38,280
Speaker 6: a fucking Mercedes and you know. So I would look

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Speaker 6: at the media's interpretation of all of hip hop, mainly

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01:04:44,360 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 6: like the Source or something I read the front to back.

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Speaker 6: I've been on the cover of the Source early on

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Speaker 6: one of the first sources. I wasn't like treated badly

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01:04:52,480 --> 01:04:56,000
Speaker 6: by the Source, but I would. I would look at

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01:04:56,400 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 6: the reviews that I would get and it'd be like,

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Speaker 6: you know, I can't rap, can't rap, meat the beats

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01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:04,080
Speaker 6: and blah blah blah, and then the shit would go platinum.

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Speaker 8: I'm like, like, hai, motherfucker.

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Speaker 6: But but I would also watch the media take the

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01:05:11,200 --> 01:05:13,480
Speaker 6: New York guy and you probably can relate to this

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01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 6: as a Philly guy, the one guy with the one

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01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 6: fucking song that we fucking love and make this motherfucker

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Speaker 6: make it start for that one song, like he can't

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01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 6: even proved itself yet, Like and they're like, he's our guy,

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Speaker 6: blah blah blah for the whole year, and I just

1382
01:05:26,200 --> 01:05:27,760
Speaker 6: I watched that shit over and over again, I'm like,

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01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:32,240
Speaker 6: I'm like they they to me, they just didn't get it.

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Speaker 1: See it's all right. So and I think it was

1385
01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:41,360
Speaker 1: when did I come out. I came to California, probably

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Speaker 1: the summer of nineteen ninety, and I specifically remember Tarik

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Speaker 1: had Short Dogs in the House album and now he's

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Speaker 1: he's very particular about like a zimcs or whatever. And

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Speaker 1: I was like, well, wait why because I remember like

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Speaker 1: something in the Source or whatever and they giving you

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01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:08,400
Speaker 1: like to two mics or whatever, and I was like, well,

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01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 1: why would you buy this because it's got a bad

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01:06:10,240 --> 01:06:12,040
Speaker 1: rate in the source like whatever. And he was just like,

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Speaker 1: you don't know, like that was his ship. And I

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01:06:15,680 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 1: was like, all right, well if he says it usually.

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Speaker 1: I mean Tweek was always right. I was wrong about

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01:06:19,960 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 1: n w A because that's another thing. Like Tweek had

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Speaker 1: straight out of Comps. He was like the only East

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Speaker 1: Coaster I knew that, like Odd on West Coast stuff.

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Speaker 1: I mean he had Hammer's first record, oh wow, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean.

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Speaker 8: He which wasn't a bad album, no, it was yeah.

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing like he like Tik just because

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01:06:38,480 --> 01:06:41,920
Speaker 1: he watched yom TV raps. He just purchased everything that

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01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:45,160
Speaker 1: was ever on yom TV raps, and it's like it's

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01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 1: like you're you're, you're what I call the flat footed

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01:06:49,040 --> 01:06:54,480
Speaker 1: approach to him seeing to me, that's like a tuxedo

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01:06:55,120 --> 01:06:57,960
Speaker 1: or jeans and t shirt like some ship or you know,

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01:06:58,080 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 1: like or chuck easy, which I mean, that's that to

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Speaker 1: me is the hardest thing to do now, more than

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01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 1: any sort of rhyme scheme. Yeah, any iambic pictameter decide.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's it's the tortois in the hair shit.

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Speaker 1: You know, you have a billion of them seeds that

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01:07:14,560 --> 01:07:17,040
Speaker 1: do and you just stay flat footed. So at no

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01:07:17,200 --> 01:07:19,320
Speaker 1: point is no one in your ear like yo, you

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Speaker 1: should get dancers like blah blah blah, or you should

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01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 1: you know, you just basically stayed on your path and

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Speaker 1: and tortoised and haired your way through everything hip hop culture.

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Speaker 6: Like a microphone and a cassette was all I ever

1420
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:40,040
Speaker 6: needed to make my hip hop world successful.

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Speaker 8: Just a blank the set and a microphone.

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Speaker 1: But it's weird because when money enters the photo, then

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Speaker 1: you start people start switching up. These ship start.

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Speaker 6: My counterpart, the first person you know, E forty is

1425
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 6: my homie forever from day one, we've ben hommies. So

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Speaker 6: E forty's up the street doing his thing. But when

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Speaker 6: we talk about Oakland, my counterpart was Hammer mc hammer. Uh,

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Speaker 6: if you let me tell it was going around Oakland.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 6: He was very famous for dancing. He was popular for

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01:08:13,360 --> 01:08:16,000
Speaker 6: his run with being, you know, around the A's organization

1432
01:08:16,040 --> 01:08:18,719
Speaker 6: and stuff. He's popular and a lot of his friends

1433
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:20,280
Speaker 6: were went to high school with me. I knew, I

1434
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:23,519
Speaker 6: knew his whole crew. But Hammer had a dude named

1435
01:08:23,560 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 6: Ace that they used to dress alike and be at

1436
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:28,320
Speaker 6: the clubs doing the same dance moves and shit. And

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Speaker 6: then they get a crowd around him and people like,

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Speaker 6: you know, he was. He was popular, So I knew

1439
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:35,680
Speaker 6: who he was as a dancing dude. I knew that

1440
01:08:35,840 --> 01:08:38,120
Speaker 6: was Hammer, not I didn't know his fucking name. I

1441
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 6: just knew he was a dancing dude. Him and Ace

1442
01:08:40,360 --> 01:08:44,000
Speaker 6: they be dancing, and then he came with these records

1443
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:47,360
Speaker 6: and it's like one day you see him. He's got

1444
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:51,680
Speaker 6: like four bodyguards, he's got like an entourager, like you know,

1445
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 6: like twenty people, and it's like I remember the shit

1446
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:55,599
Speaker 6: clear as day.

1447
01:08:55,640 --> 01:08:57,960
Speaker 8: Somebody was like, who fuck is that? I don't know

1448
01:08:58,560 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 8: who fuck that is?

1449
01:09:00,280 --> 01:09:03,240
Speaker 6: Like, you know, I'm popular, I'm famous, We mob deep,

1450
01:09:03,280 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 6: We like in this motherfucker everywhere we go.

1451
01:09:05,560 --> 01:09:06,519
Speaker 3: I don't know who the fuck that is.

1452
01:09:06,560 --> 01:09:06,920
Speaker 11: I don't know.

1453
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:09,800
Speaker 3: I heard it a few times. Who are they?

1454
01:09:09,880 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 6: They like coming through the crowd, bodyguard, skut and skut apartment.

1455
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 6: Then one day somebody said, man, who is that? And

1456
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:18,960
Speaker 6: somebody else said that's Hammer. I was like this, Nick

1457
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:23,839
Speaker 6: ain't got a record nothing, He's like like it became

1458
01:09:24,080 --> 01:09:29,040
Speaker 6: more famous for that circumstance and for the music, and

1459
01:09:29,160 --> 01:09:31,800
Speaker 6: then the music came with it at the same time.

1460
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Speaker 1: Like he was.

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Speaker 6: He walked in the fucking door with the Anthize and

1462
01:09:35,160 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 6: four bodyguards and his first single was just coming out

1463
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:40,559
Speaker 6: and he just that was so having him as an example,

1464
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Speaker 6: I'm like, Shore not doing that.

1465
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Speaker 1: Can I ask a question, who were you thinking about

1466
01:09:46,120 --> 01:09:48,559
Speaker 1: when you wrote short of Funky Well?

1467
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Speaker 8: I was doing lines of Hammer.

1468
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Speaker 1: We all.

1469
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Speaker 6: But a lot of songs that had had Hammer references,

1470
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Speaker 6: But it was between me and him, all of.

1471
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Speaker 1: Our out right this stuff, like what was your relationship? Like,

1472
01:10:01,560 --> 01:10:02,519
Speaker 1: like did you guys?

1473
01:10:02,720 --> 01:10:05,599
Speaker 6: Ever, so I'm saying ship like that in the record

1474
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:08,320
Speaker 6: we walking were down the streets and ship talking a

1475
01:10:08,360 --> 01:10:11,320
Speaker 6: little shit about each other to our mutual homies, never

1476
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:14,439
Speaker 6: gonna ever be any friction because they thugs and we thugs,

1477
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:17,320
Speaker 6: and we all know each other. But Hammer would do

1478
01:10:17,400 --> 01:10:19,599
Speaker 6: shit like sit on the fucking couch with our sineo

1479
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:23,360
Speaker 6: or something and say, like where you from? Hammer from Oakland? Oh,

1480
01:10:23,400 --> 01:10:24,720
Speaker 6: how's hip hop about that? Well, you know, I'm the

1481
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:29,880
Speaker 6: only rapper from Oakland, Like, I'm never going on our senio.

1482
01:10:29,880 --> 01:10:31,240
Speaker 6: You're gonna sit on there and tell the whole fucking

1483
01:10:31,240 --> 01:10:33,560
Speaker 6: world lie Like he would do ship like that, and

1484
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:36,040
Speaker 6: he was just that was that was his character.

1485
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:37,759
Speaker 1: So he poked.

1486
01:10:37,800 --> 01:10:40,639
Speaker 6: I poked back, and it ain't got to a point

1487
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:44,160
Speaker 6: where we were like, man, we should just let's just

1488
01:10:44,439 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 6: let's just go there with him. Let's just go there

1489
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:49,679
Speaker 6: and just all out go there. And Louis Barrell, Hammer's

1490
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 6: big brother, he called us. He said, man, I heard

1491
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:56,680
Speaker 6: you know, I know what's going on. I know I

1492
01:10:56,760 --> 01:10:59,200
Speaker 6: know who y'all know, I know all the ship. He's like, man,

1493
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:01,120
Speaker 6: we just got off to r we come, you said,

1494
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 6: we're just getting off to her. Were coming home. We've

1495
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:04,760
Speaker 6: been through hell out here on the road. Somebody had

1496
01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:07,840
Speaker 6: got killed all kind of should have happened. He was like,

1497
01:11:08,080 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 6: he's like like not asking, like, man, we're not coming

1498
01:11:11,360 --> 01:11:14,240
Speaker 6: home this bullshit, Like we're not, And it was it

1499
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:16,479
Speaker 6: was so real. What he said was like all right,

1500
01:11:16,520 --> 01:11:21,439
Speaker 6: all right, it's all getting so so basically where escalated

1501
01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 6: the most. It just took a phone call. It's like, man,

1502
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:26,680
Speaker 6: we want this bullshit and it's because we all be

1503
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:28,840
Speaker 6: We all been from family and friends from day one.

1504
01:11:29,040 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 1: Man, why couldn't I have it with Search?

1505
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:42,519
Speaker 3: What was the record for for you when you were

1506
01:11:42,600 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 3: with Jive, which was the biggest selling record, Like when

1507
01:11:46,600 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 3: did it?

1508
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:51,880
Speaker 6: Kind of because Life is bigger seller one, but it's

1509
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:55,559
Speaker 6: sold I think a lot because of rumors.

1510
01:11:55,880 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 8: That's that was you get your the rumor where you're

1511
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 8: dead in your young career. I got.

1512
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:03,680
Speaker 1: They thought you were dead.

1513
01:12:04,360 --> 01:12:07,080
Speaker 6: The album drop and so three hundred thousand copies out

1514
01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 6: the gate. We jump on the tour at three hundred

1515
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:11,920
Speaker 6: thousand sales, and we get off tours at eight hundred thousand.

1516
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:15,320
Speaker 8: So the tour did a lot in that in that case.

1517
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Speaker 10: And.

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01:12:19,160 --> 01:12:21,560
Speaker 8: Get off tour and the sales go up to like

1519
01:12:21,680 --> 01:12:25,400
Speaker 8: about maybe like one point three. It's just hot. It's

1520
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 8: just going and then they killed me, they.

1521
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 3: Said to.

1522
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 8: Two Shirts got shot in the in the head in

1523
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:33,160
Speaker 8: the crack house.

1524
01:12:34,040 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 6: Wow, And I was having I was having memorials in

1525
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:40,960
Speaker 6: Texas and I was going for real, I was I

1526
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:42,120
Speaker 6: was dead to a lot of people.

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01:12:42,160 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 1: And you know, you can't.

1528
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:45,880
Speaker 6: You can't social media back then like you died. And

1529
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:51,400
Speaker 6: it's slowly the story goes slowly. You couldn't put a

1530
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:55,280
Speaker 6: k back calling, you know, to kty wire.

1531
01:12:57,520 --> 01:12:58,320
Speaker 8: Sales went out the room.

1532
01:12:58,320 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 3: Who's going to stop?

1533
01:12:58,880 --> 01:12:59,479
Speaker 8: Whos gonna stop?

1534
01:12:59,520 --> 01:13:03,920
Speaker 1: The rumor went to two million, But the crack out

1535
01:13:03,960 --> 01:13:06,800
Speaker 1: of damn yeah, man.

1536
01:13:07,240 --> 01:13:08,080
Speaker 8: Two Shirt is funny.

1537
01:13:08,120 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 1: Man.

1538
01:13:08,240 --> 01:13:09,600
Speaker 8: I've had people walked up to me.

1539
01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:12,479
Speaker 6: It's me and my boy standing there, and the dude

1540
01:13:12,520 --> 01:13:14,880
Speaker 6: walk up and say, damn man, that's fucked up about

1541
01:13:14,880 --> 01:13:18,000
Speaker 6: two Shirts, Like what happened? Like, man, my uncle said,

1542
01:13:18,680 --> 01:13:20,599
Speaker 6: was that as a dope house last night? Two Shirts

1543
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:25,160
Speaker 6: said the kitchen table on smoke coke all night. And

1544
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:27,560
Speaker 6: then my boy like do you know what?

1545
01:13:27,800 --> 01:13:28,519
Speaker 5: You know what he looked like.

1546
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:30,559
Speaker 8: You're like, man, I don't know what I'm just saying.

1547
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 3: Uncle.

1548
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 8: I'm standing right there, like knowing my uncle so much ship.

1549
01:13:36,880 --> 01:13:39,960
Speaker 3: What led to the uh your the retirement. I think

1550
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:41,680
Speaker 3: I guess your first retirement.

1551
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:43,840
Speaker 1: Get short to pimp out short?

1552
01:13:44,080 --> 01:13:45,960
Speaker 3: Oh man, we ain't short, we ain't get what the pimp?

1553
01:13:46,080 --> 01:13:48,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you know, I'm sorry.

1554
01:13:48,560 --> 01:13:48,880
Speaker 3: I just.

1555
01:13:50,439 --> 01:13:52,639
Speaker 1: Can you tell about the I don't know. I felt

1556
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:57,160
Speaker 1: like that to me is the least where you even

1557
01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:57,559
Speaker 1: got more.

1558
01:13:58,320 --> 01:13:58,439
Speaker 3: Man.

1559
01:13:58,880 --> 01:14:01,120
Speaker 1: I got on board, you know, early, because it's trek,

1560
01:14:01,280 --> 01:14:04,840
Speaker 1: but with with with making Jordan the pimp and and

1561
01:14:06,040 --> 01:14:08,800
Speaker 1: I guess so getting where you fit in came after that.

1562
01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:09,479
Speaker 3: Getting it.

1563
01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:12,680
Speaker 8: Shorty the pimp started some new ship with me.

1564
01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 6: I had been working with Al Eaton, who was my guitar,

1565
01:14:16,439 --> 01:14:21,519
Speaker 6: playing keyboard, playing engineer, and Al It's really good friends

1566
01:14:21,560 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 6: with Felton Pilot.

1567
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:26,200
Speaker 8: Felton Pilot was Felton Pilot was mc Hammer's guy.

1568
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:29,240
Speaker 6: So they they got got all that money and sold

1569
01:14:29,240 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 6: all those records and they built this whole compound over

1570
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,720
Speaker 6: in Freemont, California. That's when Hammer bought the big house

1571
01:14:34,800 --> 01:14:38,600
Speaker 6: up to Hill. They was like, you know, running running Freemont, California,

1572
01:14:39,080 --> 01:14:42,760
Speaker 6: and Al my guy. In between two short albums, he

1573
01:14:42,880 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 6: went over to visit Felton and when he came back,

1574
01:14:46,920 --> 01:14:49,160
Speaker 6: he was like, man, I've seen it. I got the vision,

1575
01:14:49,400 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 6: so I'm coming into our studio to make a new album.

1576
01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:56,240
Speaker 6: It's going to be the Shorty the Pimp album. And

1577
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 6: uh al, it's like, here's the new rules. That's the engineer, right,

1578
01:15:03,320 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 6: here's the new rules. He owns the studio and he

1579
01:15:06,240 --> 01:15:09,000
Speaker 6: got new rules. Can't say he got a white girlfriend,

1580
01:15:09,120 --> 01:15:10,760
Speaker 6: so he can't say the word nigger in his house

1581
01:15:10,840 --> 01:15:15,479
Speaker 6: no more. He's like, he's like, uh, I'm not really

1582
01:15:15,560 --> 01:15:17,560
Speaker 6: trying to have any like profanity in my house. He's like,

1583
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:20,599
Speaker 6: he's like, and I'm ah, he's telling me I got

1584
01:15:20,680 --> 01:15:22,800
Speaker 6: the fucking deal. I'm the fucking artist. He's like, and

1585
01:15:22,840 --> 01:15:25,519
Speaker 6: we're gonna start making records for white people because hammering them.

1586
01:15:25,680 --> 01:15:26,680
Speaker 8: You see what they're doing over there.

1587
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 6: He's like, if you ain't making, you ain't making records

1588
01:15:29,000 --> 01:15:30,680
Speaker 6: with white people. Man, you gotta make I was like, man,

1589
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:32,599
Speaker 6: how do you make records for white people?

1590
01:15:32,800 --> 01:15:34,160
Speaker 3: Like? How do you do that shit?

1591
01:15:34,439 --> 01:15:36,080
Speaker 6: And I'm all I can think about it like pop shit.

1592
01:15:36,160 --> 01:15:38,320
Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm not making no pop shit. He's playing

1593
01:15:38,360 --> 01:15:39,920
Speaker 6: these little beats, he's trying to be like felting and

1594
01:15:39,960 --> 01:15:43,800
Speaker 6: hammering them and trying to I'm like, so I called in.

1595
01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:47,759
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Like you, I know, the temptation

1596
01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:51,080
Speaker 1: was there and you watching by this point, Park's about

1597
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:54,400
Speaker 1: the about the digital underground, like all these these big

1598
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:59,880
Speaker 1: area cats are just coming up and you just tunnel vision.

1599
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:03,080
Speaker 1: Just how did you resist that temptation?

1600
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 6: So I got I had a guy on my team

1601
01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 6: named and Banks, and Banks was part of a couple

1602
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:13,679
Speaker 6: of crews. You know, in the early days he being around.

1603
01:16:13,680 --> 01:16:15,599
Speaker 6: I knew all about him. He worked at em An,

1604
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:18,920
Speaker 6: then he worked with poor Man, and poor Man was

1605
01:16:19,680 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 6: to do everybody in the game had to have a

1606
01:16:22,200 --> 01:16:24,640
Speaker 6: drug dealer backing you. You had to have a money man.

1607
01:16:25,080 --> 01:16:27,840
Speaker 6: So Big Bruce was their money man. And Bruce was

1608
01:16:27,920 --> 01:16:29,799
Speaker 6: like my homie Homi because I knew all the kingpins.

1609
01:16:30,280 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 6: So Bruce got killed and then pooh Man and Banks

1610
01:16:34,920 --> 01:16:36,479
Speaker 6: and all and they were just kind of like out

1611
01:16:36,520 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 6: there a little bit, didn't have that structure.

1612
01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 8: And I was on Jive platinum balling. I saw Banks

1613
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:45,720
Speaker 8: at the cable company and he was like, you know,

1614
01:16:45,840 --> 01:16:47,559
Speaker 8: he went for it. He was in a little little

1615
01:16:47,560 --> 01:16:49,040
Speaker 8: little hoopy whatever. He just went for it.

1616
01:16:49,120 --> 01:16:51,160
Speaker 6: He was like, man, you know, I make beats or something.

1617
01:16:51,200 --> 01:16:52,720
Speaker 6: I was like, I know, I know you a man,

1618
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:55,840
Speaker 6: and we decided he was gonna link up. This is

1619
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 6: the same exact time. I'm fucking at the cable company,

1620
01:16:59,520 --> 01:17:01,599
Speaker 6: probably hand my bill. I'm probably there because the ship

1621
01:17:01,640 --> 01:17:03,120
Speaker 6: got cut off or something, and I'm right, and you

1622
01:17:03,200 --> 01:17:05,479
Speaker 6: got to go there to get it cut back. Nigga

1623
01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:09,040
Speaker 6: wasn't paying bills on time back then. And then I'm

1624
01:17:09,120 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 6: at the present moment, mad in the fucking car by

1625
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:13,840
Speaker 6: myself about this fucking ship with al and the fucking

1626
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:16,040
Speaker 6: engineers fucking with me, and he won't fun. I'm trying

1627
01:17:16,080 --> 01:17:18,320
Speaker 6: to make this music and he's fucking trying to get

1628
01:17:18,360 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 6: me to work on these white cass tracks and be

1629
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:24,719
Speaker 6: like hammering. I'm like, so, I'm telling Banks the situation.

1630
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:26,559
Speaker 6: He's like, all right, I'm coming to the studio tomorrow.

1631
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:29,400
Speaker 6: Then I find a guy at the same time. This

1632
01:17:29,560 --> 01:17:33,720
Speaker 6: motherfucker was riding a tense speed with a backpack with

1633
01:17:33,880 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 6: a pistol in it, with a bunch of heroin, and

1634
01:17:36,520 --> 01:17:39,920
Speaker 6: he fucking he's from d C's from Maryland, from uh,

1635
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:44,040
Speaker 6: from landover Maryland, and he fucking uh is really good

1636
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 6: friends with George Clinton and and and and Michael Hampton

1637
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:50,519
Speaker 6: and all those guys. He's like, he's he's a student

1638
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:53,479
Speaker 6: of you know, he's he got to play with a

1639
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:57,599
Speaker 6: who is the who is the Problem's best fucking guitar player,

1640
01:17:57,600 --> 01:17:58,080
Speaker 6: the other one.

1641
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:00,599
Speaker 1: Before Jerry shrind Uh.

1642
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:05,799
Speaker 6: So Shorty B was a student of Eddie and fucking

1643
01:18:06,120 --> 01:18:08,360
Speaker 6: Mike Hampton. So he fucking knew all this ship. He

1644
01:18:08,360 --> 01:18:11,680
Speaker 6: could play Parliament anything inside out. He was like, I

1645
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 6: knew he was a drug dealer. I knew the crew

1646
01:18:13,960 --> 01:18:16,560
Speaker 6: he was, you know whatever. He's like, come over to

1647
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:19,439
Speaker 6: the Acorn Projects. I know it's an Acorn niggas, So

1648
01:18:19,439 --> 01:18:21,679
Speaker 6: I'm not wasn't scared to go to Acorns, he said,

1649
01:18:21,680 --> 01:18:23,800
Speaker 6: coming to Acorn Projects. He sits in front of his

1650
01:18:23,960 --> 01:18:27,679
Speaker 6: fucking uh part projects where he lived, brings an amp

1651
01:18:27,800 --> 01:18:30,639
Speaker 6: out on the guitar and the guitar and just sits

1652
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:31,960
Speaker 6: there and shows me all this ship he could do.

1653
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:34,320
Speaker 6: So I'm like, you need to come to the studio.

1654
01:18:34,439 --> 01:18:36,519
Speaker 6: Let's go, because I knew the funk. He's playing the funk.

1655
01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:39,680
Speaker 6: So I get Shorty B and Banks to come to

1656
01:18:39,760 --> 01:18:41,960
Speaker 6: the studio with me at the same time, and I'm like,

1657
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:43,840
Speaker 6: I walk in on al eating like watch this ship.

1658
01:18:45,439 --> 01:18:48,640
Speaker 6: And I was at the time he was, he was

1659
01:18:48,720 --> 01:18:51,080
Speaker 6: fucking with me, man, because he I wasn't with the ship.

1660
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:53,760
Speaker 6: The niggas was just for more money or just he

1661
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:56,479
Speaker 6: wanted to be like them, man. Really, he wanted to

1662
01:18:56,520 --> 01:18:59,040
Speaker 6: be like them bad. He named his fucking dog short Dog,

1663
01:18:59,280 --> 01:18:59,920
Speaker 6: and he was sucking.

1664
01:19:00,120 --> 01:19:00,240
Speaker 3: Uh.

1665
01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:02,040
Speaker 6: I come back to make a new album. He keeps

1666
01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:04,280
Speaker 6: saying shit, his dog short, Shit the fuck down.

1667
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:05,200
Speaker 8: I'm like, this is.

1668
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:08,040
Speaker 1: We're about to kill this nigga up in here.

1669
01:19:09,960 --> 01:19:13,720
Speaker 6: So on top of that, he's doing this new thing

1670
01:19:14,320 --> 01:19:19,280
Speaker 6: and he's going He's like, ah, fuck the fucking computer rebooted.

1671
01:19:19,439 --> 01:19:21,439
Speaker 8: And then he says there and does like this. So

1672
01:19:21,560 --> 01:19:23,080
Speaker 8: he did that ship to me for like two days.

1673
01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:25,600
Speaker 6: I come back with and Banks and Shorty b and

1674
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:28,400
Speaker 6: Banks is like, hey, how you worked this shit and

1675
01:19:28,439 --> 01:19:31,200
Speaker 6: something something, And I was trying to resist, and Banks

1676
01:19:31,320 --> 01:19:33,920
Speaker 6: is like, look, just sit over here and just I'm

1677
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:36,280
Speaker 6: gonna ask you whenever I can't work. So I'm ask

1678
01:19:37,160 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 6: no more computer glitches, no more motherfucking working glitch. We

1679
01:19:41,720 --> 01:19:45,040
Speaker 6: we made Shorty de PMP and I feel like the

1680
01:19:45,200 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 6: next albums, Getting Where You Fit In Cocktails, Getting It

1681
01:19:49,479 --> 01:19:52,640
Speaker 6: were all a little bit better because we didn't have

1682
01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:55,960
Speaker 6: that early fucking battle and Shorty PP probably would have

1683
01:19:56,000 --> 01:19:58,040
Speaker 6: been just as great, because that's when we took the

1684
01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 6: journey on the fucking freestyle and the guitars and the

1685
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:04,000
Speaker 6: bass and and we and we bought a Digital Underground

1686
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 6: keyboard player pee Weee over could Shorty Be my guitar player?

1687
01:20:07,280 --> 01:20:08,840
Speaker 6: Used to go do a lot of tracks with Shot too,

1688
01:20:09,200 --> 01:20:11,320
Speaker 6: And a lot of people don't know that Digital Underground too.

1689
01:20:11,320 --> 01:20:14,439
Speaker 6: Short We were using the same musicians during the same years,

1690
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:16,760
Speaker 6: two pockeys coming around all the time, hanging around with

1691
01:20:16,760 --> 01:20:19,600
Speaker 6: Shorty Be and Pee Wee. It was just, you know,

1692
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:24,120
Speaker 6: we were we were really into the musicianship and we

1693
01:20:24,240 --> 01:20:26,880
Speaker 6: fucking we sat out. He set him on the sidelines.

1694
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:29,360
Speaker 6: So what what is he doing now?

1695
01:20:29,600 --> 01:20:30,680
Speaker 1: Like in terms of.

1696
01:20:32,320 --> 01:20:36,360
Speaker 8: Which one Al, I heard rumors that Al passed away.

1697
01:20:36,360 --> 01:20:39,599
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I've had you guys lost contact with each.

1698
01:20:40,320 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 3: I really.

1699
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:45,439
Speaker 6: I can't remember the reason why I was so fucking

1700
01:20:45,520 --> 01:20:48,200
Speaker 6: mad at him, But there was a time where he

1701
01:20:48,320 --> 01:20:50,560
Speaker 6: was coming back, going, man, let's work together, and I

1702
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 6: was like, fuck that. And I'm still salty about I'm

1703
01:20:54,000 --> 01:20:55,920
Speaker 6: still salty about the old ship man. So is that

1704
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:58,320
Speaker 6: still Okand and Banks is in Arizona.

1705
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 1: No, when I met you when we first started coming out,

1706
01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:06,960
Speaker 1: I think you were living in Atlanta at the time, Like,

1707
01:21:07,400 --> 01:21:10,960
Speaker 1: why would you choose Atlanta? Like what makes It's just

1708
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:12,880
Speaker 1: a change of pace or scene areas.

1709
01:21:13,000 --> 01:21:16,120
Speaker 6: Nineteen ninety two, nineteen ninety three. Checked the stats. Those

1710
01:21:16,160 --> 01:21:19,120
Speaker 6: were the most violent years in the history of Oakland

1711
01:21:19,120 --> 01:21:19,479
Speaker 6: as far.

1712
01:21:19,400 --> 01:21:19,960
Speaker 3: As murders go.

1713
01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:23,960
Speaker 8: And it's wild as hell. It's been wild as hell

1714
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:25,160
Speaker 8: some years lately.

1715
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 3: It was so wild.

1716
01:21:26,160 --> 01:21:28,760
Speaker 6: At one point I told the young homies. IU was like, man,

1717
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:32,240
Speaker 6: it was way wilder back then. There's like no fucking way.

1718
01:21:32,479 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 6: So we sat there and looked up the murder stats.

1719
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:37,360
Speaker 6: I'm like, and y'all, y'all ain't we was up in

1720
01:21:37,400 --> 01:21:39,360
Speaker 6: the numbers, like niggas, was getting knocked down a lot,

1721
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:41,719
Speaker 6: and it was a very violent city for the reasons

1722
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:44,720
Speaker 6: of That's when they started locking up the kingpins, right

1723
01:21:44,920 --> 01:21:47,760
Speaker 6: and then all that, Like, you know, we got Port

1724
01:21:47,760 --> 01:21:49,640
Speaker 6: of Oakland, and Port of Oakland is bigger than the

1725
01:21:49,680 --> 01:21:52,200
Speaker 6: Port of San Francisco, So you know, wherever you got

1726
01:21:52,240 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 6: those Baltimore type cities with the port, that motherfucking duck

1727
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:58,160
Speaker 6: was finding his way. So you wonder why a city like,

1728
01:21:58,240 --> 01:22:01,640
Speaker 6: Oakland is what it is. It's because we had the

1729
01:22:01,840 --> 01:22:04,240
Speaker 6: army base. We had a Navy base right in Alameda,

1730
01:22:04,320 --> 01:22:07,840
Speaker 6: right next door. We had all this military shit, all

1731
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:11,240
Speaker 6: this pimp shit, all this fucking dope shit, and it

1732
01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 6: just made this little ass town, which was also part

1733
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:17,000
Speaker 6: of a large metropolitan area. The Bay Area is probably

1734
01:22:17,040 --> 01:22:19,840
Speaker 6: you know, seven million people or some shit. So even

1735
01:22:19,880 --> 01:22:22,880
Speaker 6: though you like Oakland's population is less than five hundred thousand,

1736
01:22:23,080 --> 01:22:25,880
Speaker 6: we're still in this big metropolitan area. And Oakland is

1737
01:22:25,920 --> 01:22:28,840
Speaker 6: the place where if you fucking thirty miles away you

1738
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:30,760
Speaker 6: want to come get the best dope. You're like, I'm

1739
01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:32,280
Speaker 6: about to drive down to Oakland. A lot of times

1740
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 6: when you set up shops selling dope, the customers aren't

1741
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 6: from the city. They come jumping off the freeway from

1742
01:22:38,160 --> 01:22:39,720
Speaker 6: the suburbs, come get that get shit, and go right

1743
01:22:39,760 --> 01:22:44,400
Speaker 6: back home. So Oakland was that city where there was

1744
01:22:44,439 --> 01:22:46,120
Speaker 6: a lot, a lot, a lot of fucking you know,

1745
01:22:46,280 --> 01:22:47,760
Speaker 6: just street money, all that shit and all that type

1746
01:22:47,760 --> 01:22:48,000
Speaker 6: of shit.

1747
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:51,800
Speaker 1: So for self preservation reasons, you like, I gotta get out.

1748
01:22:52,000 --> 01:22:52,680
Speaker 1: I got out of here.

1749
01:22:53,040 --> 01:22:55,040
Speaker 5: But you picked Atlanta out of any place.

1750
01:22:55,160 --> 01:22:58,560
Speaker 6: Well, ninety ninety three, it was a whole lot of

1751
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:01,200
Speaker 6: money and a lot of king pins getting put away.

1752
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:03,680
Speaker 6: So when the king pins get put away, second in

1753
01:23:03,800 --> 01:23:06,200
Speaker 6: charge might not be the same leader. Third in charge

1754
01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:08,240
Speaker 6: might not be the same kind of leader. And then

1755
01:23:08,280 --> 01:23:10,280
Speaker 6: you start fighting for leadership and it gets it just

1756
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:13,760
Speaker 6: the little armies break off in the little factions, and

1757
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 6: who once were homies are now knocking each other down.

1758
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:20,040
Speaker 6: So I'm sitting here hanging with the homies. I'm getting

1759
01:23:20,080 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 6: phone calls like you still hanging around the niggas.

1760
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 3: Huh.

1761
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:24,640
Speaker 6: I'm like whatever, we all used to be homies, Like

1762
01:23:24,680 --> 01:23:27,439
Speaker 6: when nigga ain't the homies now and I'm taking right now, Nigga,

1763
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:28,640
Speaker 6: I'm not trying to miss you.

1764
01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:29,920
Speaker 8: If you with them, I ain't trying to miss you.

1765
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:32,799
Speaker 8: So this is my friends telling me that whoa.

1766
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:39,040
Speaker 1: Okay, So just saying that once you get established, do

1767
01:23:39,160 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 1: you still stay in the same area that you were,

1768
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:43,400
Speaker 1: I mean, by the point you were too short.

1769
01:23:43,720 --> 01:23:46,080
Speaker 6: I bought a house sixty miles outside the city with

1770
01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:47,720
Speaker 6: the pool and all that shit. But then we had

1771
01:23:47,760 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 6: a house in the city with the studio in it,

1772
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:51,800
Speaker 6: and you know, right on the corner right and the

1773
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:54,400
Speaker 6: open everything, you know, and then I fucking I every

1774
01:23:54,479 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 6: day of my life was just in the streets. Even

1775
01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:58,439
Speaker 6: when I was platinum, I was standing on the corner

1776
01:23:58,520 --> 01:24:00,759
Speaker 6: with the drug dealers and I hadn't.

1777
01:24:00,880 --> 01:24:03,439
Speaker 8: It took a long time. Kind of Atlanta kind of

1778
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:04,000
Speaker 8: got me out of that.

1779
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:07,040
Speaker 6: Like before I moved to Atlanta, I knew for a fact,

1780
01:24:07,520 --> 01:24:09,640
Speaker 6: in the midst of the drug war, which was a

1781
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:12,760
Speaker 6: major drug war, in the midst of it, I was

1782
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:15,040
Speaker 6: so close to it that it is no way I

1783
01:24:15,080 --> 01:24:17,519
Speaker 6: could I could have avoided it. Well, you know, what

1784
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:19,360
Speaker 6: was a everything to happen. I was gonna either be

1785
01:24:19,520 --> 01:24:23,320
Speaker 6: real close to something or it's gonna happen. And I

1786
01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:26,120
Speaker 6: didn't pick Atlanta. I didn't choose to move. I didn't

1787
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:28,360
Speaker 6: say I'm leaving this ship. You know, we all played

1788
01:24:28,400 --> 01:24:29,600
Speaker 6: it like it's supposed to play it.

1789
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:30,320
Speaker 8: During the war.

1790
01:24:30,400 --> 01:24:32,360
Speaker 6: You kind of play it low key and watch your

1791
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:35,760
Speaker 6: fucking back as much as possible. But I went to

1792
01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:44,400
Speaker 6: the Freaknik. The Freaknick is the time that Freaknick was

1793
01:24:44,439 --> 01:24:47,519
Speaker 6: my birthday weekend, So I get to Freaknik.

1794
01:24:49,960 --> 01:24:54,439
Speaker 3: What is college is a black college? Marty Gry Yeah,

1795
01:24:54,640 --> 01:24:55,920
Speaker 3: in Atlanta, in.

1796
01:24:55,920 --> 01:24:57,519
Speaker 8: Atlanta, but this already used to me.

1797
01:24:57,640 --> 01:25:00,559
Speaker 6: I think the last year was what ninety five they

1798
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 6: tried to bring it back in like nineties. Ninety five

1799
01:25:04,160 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 6: was terrible, ninety six was vacant, and yeah, they tried

1800
01:25:07,080 --> 01:25:07,639
Speaker 6: to bring it back.

1801
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:10,280
Speaker 8: And so the Freaknik in.

1802
01:25:10,360 --> 01:25:12,519
Speaker 6: Nineteen ninety two, which I didn't go, was this big

1803
01:25:12,560 --> 01:25:14,680
Speaker 6: ass picnic that just was the best picnic anybody ever

1804
01:25:14,680 --> 01:25:15,120
Speaker 6: fucking went to.

1805
01:25:15,600 --> 01:25:18,880
Speaker 8: So in ninety three the word was out, you gotta

1806
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:19,479
Speaker 8: go to Freaknik.

1807
01:25:19,560 --> 01:25:20,080
Speaker 3: It got to me.

1808
01:25:20,240 --> 01:25:21,680
Speaker 8: I'm like, we're going to see what this shit is.

1809
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:24,799
Speaker 5: And it shuts Atlanta down, like it's shut the certain pockets.

1810
01:25:24,840 --> 01:25:26,080
Speaker 5: You just you can't drive.

1811
01:25:26,479 --> 01:25:29,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, So I leave violin ass Oakland and pop up

1812
01:25:29,200 --> 01:25:32,360
Speaker 6: in Atlanta. And Atlanta is so much different. In Oakland

1813
01:25:32,360 --> 01:25:34,840
Speaker 6: and Oakland. If I see a police officer, if we

1814
01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:37,280
Speaker 6: just make eye contact, we're gonna have it.

1815
01:25:37,320 --> 01:25:39,559
Speaker 8: We gotta have a conversation. He's got to pull me over,

1816
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:44,200
Speaker 8: fuck with me, right, fake ticket, real ticket, whatever ticket,

1817
01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:46,720
Speaker 8: and we just just fuck with you. In Atlanta, you

1818
01:25:46,800 --> 01:25:49,960
Speaker 8: pull up next to the cop, he's like, man, Wow.

1819
01:25:50,280 --> 01:25:54,800
Speaker 6: So I'm like experiencing all this fucking shit that ain't

1820
01:25:54,840 --> 01:25:57,519
Speaker 6: happening at home, and it's like parties and shit, with

1821
01:25:57,600 --> 01:25:59,680
Speaker 6: people really partying. Ain't nobody getting shot, and it's like

1822
01:26:00,240 --> 01:26:02,160
Speaker 6: people in the streets just having a good time at

1823
01:26:02,160 --> 01:26:03,759
Speaker 6: all these college campuses and shitting.

1824
01:26:04,040 --> 01:26:07,200
Speaker 8: And I was just like, fuck, well, the freaknik ended.

1825
01:26:08,280 --> 01:26:08,840
Speaker 8: I didn't leave.

1826
01:26:08,920 --> 01:26:12,400
Speaker 6: I stayed for another two weeks, and then I told

1827
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:14,559
Speaker 6: one of my homies who is from Oakland living in Atlanta.

1828
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:16,040
Speaker 6: I said, man, I'm about to go buy a house

1829
01:26:16,760 --> 01:26:19,360
Speaker 6: in Oakland, probably gonna spend sid I'm probably spending about

1830
01:26:19,400 --> 01:26:21,320
Speaker 6: five hundred thousand and get something up in the hill somewhere.

1831
01:26:21,960 --> 01:26:24,439
Speaker 6: And he was like, let me show you what you

1832
01:26:24,520 --> 01:26:25,920
Speaker 6: get for five hundred thousand in Atlanta.

1833
01:26:28,280 --> 01:26:29,240
Speaker 3: So in a state.

1834
01:26:29,560 --> 01:26:31,200
Speaker 6: We just looked at the houses and shit. And I

1835
01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:36,640
Speaker 6: went back to Oakland. Funerals, shootouts, all this shit. Not mean,

1836
01:26:36,680 --> 01:26:39,040
Speaker 6: but I'm saying, but it's just going down.

1837
01:26:39,120 --> 01:26:39,200
Speaker 1: Man.

1838
01:26:39,240 --> 01:26:41,600
Speaker 6: I'm like literally, like the homies that I know, like

1839
01:26:41,720 --> 01:26:43,760
Speaker 6: we all were a big click of homies. They're killing

1840
01:26:43,800 --> 01:26:46,240
Speaker 6: each other. And it's a small as city, so it's

1841
01:26:46,280 --> 01:26:49,160
Speaker 6: real easy to kill them, motherfucking the small ast city

1842
01:26:49,400 --> 01:26:54,080
Speaker 6: because they ain't nowhere to hide. So I wait till August,

1843
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:56,920
Speaker 6: and we prepped to go to were prepared to go

1844
01:26:57,000 --> 01:27:02,160
Speaker 6: to Jack the Rapper in Atlanta, and it just was

1845
01:27:02,439 --> 01:27:04,439
Speaker 6: I didn't I wasn't going out there to buy a house,

1846
01:27:04,760 --> 01:27:07,439
Speaker 6: but I was just so in love with the freaking

1847
01:27:07,760 --> 01:27:11,200
Speaker 6: experience and so looking forward to the Jack the Rapper experience.

1848
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 6: When I get there, I just snuck off from everybody

1849
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:15,240
Speaker 6: and literally went and bought a house.

1850
01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:16,800
Speaker 3: And just.

1851
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:26,160
Speaker 6: Southwest Atlanta, So I snuck and bought a house. It

1852
01:27:26,400 --> 01:27:28,439
Speaker 6: just was like I gave him three thousand, picked out

1853
01:27:28,479 --> 01:27:30,320
Speaker 6: my live picked out the house I wanted, and started

1854
01:27:30,320 --> 01:27:34,200
Speaker 6: the processing ship and didn't tell anybody. I didn't tell

1855
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:38,360
Speaker 6: nobody until the ship was like really gonna happen and

1856
01:27:38,520 --> 01:27:41,720
Speaker 6: I started putting my crew together. Man, I was like

1857
01:27:42,160 --> 01:27:44,479
Speaker 6: telling y'all, fuck with me. With me, I helped a

1858
01:27:44,520 --> 01:27:45,280
Speaker 6: lot of people Relokay.

1859
01:27:45,320 --> 01:27:48,320
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, were you rolling in your Oakland years?

1860
01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:51,240
Speaker 1: Like how deep were you rolling? As far as like

1861
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:56,080
Speaker 1: when there's a too short show? Whatever are you you

1862
01:27:56,200 --> 01:28:01,760
Speaker 1: never heard? I mean, were you ten deep? Nine hundred deep?

1863
01:28:02,400 --> 01:28:04,519
Speaker 8: You're like, I bring like two hundred niggas everywhere I go.

1864
01:28:04,640 --> 01:28:06,599
Speaker 3: I'm everywhere.

1865
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 5: Why too short?

1866
01:28:08,400 --> 01:28:10,680
Speaker 6: Why we would go to shows and I would like

1867
01:28:10,760 --> 01:28:12,760
Speaker 6: we would do shows like maybe like drive an hour

1868
01:28:12,840 --> 01:28:15,639
Speaker 6: outside of Oakland, and I'm like, all right, look man.

1869
01:28:15,760 --> 01:28:18,280
Speaker 1: How would you get them there? We all drive overhead.

1870
01:28:18,560 --> 01:28:19,880
Speaker 3: How do you remember everybody's name?

1871
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:23,200
Speaker 6: I have homies I've been knowing for twenty five years.

1872
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:26,400
Speaker 6: I don't know they fucking name Homey, Homey Homie.

1873
01:28:26,400 --> 01:28:27,439
Speaker 3: I'm like, you can't.

1874
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:31,560
Speaker 6: So look, everybody had cars, everybody had money, and a

1875
01:28:31,640 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 6: two short shows like a field trip. It was like,

1876
01:28:33,439 --> 01:28:35,840
Speaker 6: We're gonna drive fast on the freeway. The highway patrol

1877
01:28:35,840 --> 01:28:38,679
Speaker 6: aint gonna catch us because they gonna see fifty cars speeding.

1878
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:39,840
Speaker 8: Who's gonna get caught?

1879
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:40,120
Speaker 1: Not me?

1880
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:41,479
Speaker 3: That was that was our thing.

1881
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:43,200
Speaker 6: To get on the freeway, do one hundred something miles

1882
01:28:43,240 --> 01:28:46,000
Speaker 6: an hour and lawless and just we were all twenty

1883
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:48,040
Speaker 6: three years old and fucking with a bunch of crack money.

1884
01:28:48,800 --> 01:28:49,040
Speaker 3: I was.

1885
01:28:49,200 --> 01:28:51,160
Speaker 6: I was the rapper selling a million records, and I

1886
01:28:51,240 --> 01:28:54,200
Speaker 6: was the brokenst one in the crew. So I was,

1887
01:28:54,240 --> 01:28:54,760
Speaker 6: you know what I'm saying.

1888
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 3: I was.

1889
01:28:55,600 --> 01:28:57,840
Speaker 6: I wasn't nothing. I was nowhere up in status in

1890
01:28:57,880 --> 01:29:00,160
Speaker 6: the crew. I was the rapper, like the mascot. So

1891
01:29:00,280 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 6: we go to the show and I'd be like, look man,

1892
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:05,240
Speaker 6: and one thing about our crew is we didn't have

1893
01:29:05,280 --> 01:29:07,080
Speaker 6: a leader. Nobody could ever say they was a leader.

1894
01:29:07,160 --> 01:29:10,360
Speaker 6: So everybody was fucking just like I'm gonna do the

1895
01:29:10,400 --> 01:29:12,599
Speaker 6: fuck I want to do. You could reason with some people,

1896
01:29:12,640 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 6: but you can't. Nobody could boss anybody. So I'd be like, look, man,

1897
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:18,800
Speaker 6: we're going to do this show. These people, look at

1898
01:29:18,920 --> 01:29:21,320
Speaker 6: the crowd is here. I'm like, let's not beat up

1899
01:29:21,360 --> 01:29:24,200
Speaker 6: the people that came to see too short because some

1900
01:29:24,360 --> 01:29:27,200
Speaker 6: shows they'd be like, man, so and so got disrespected,

1901
01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:30,559
Speaker 6: and I be on stage watching my guys beat up

1902
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:31,000
Speaker 6: my fans.

1903
01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:31,799
Speaker 3: I'm like stop.

1904
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:36,439
Speaker 8: And then I was the promoter.

1905
01:29:36,640 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 6: I give the promoter hell, like I didn't even say

1906
01:29:39,120 --> 01:29:43,760
Speaker 6: some shit like, man, let us all in this motherfucker.

1907
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:46,719
Speaker 8: We don't have to all be backstage. Let my guys

1908
01:29:46,760 --> 01:29:48,360
Speaker 8: in the crowd. That was my thing.

1909
01:29:48,520 --> 01:29:50,519
Speaker 6: Just let them all in because I was like I

1910
01:29:50,640 --> 01:29:54,000
Speaker 6: can't go in, like it can't happen. And then to

1911
01:29:54,040 --> 01:29:55,760
Speaker 6: be crying, oh blah blah. I'm like, dude, okay, man,

1912
01:29:55,840 --> 01:29:57,559
Speaker 6: just check a thousand off my prices and we're all

1913
01:29:57,640 --> 01:29:57,880
Speaker 6: going in.

1914
01:29:58,200 --> 01:29:58,720
Speaker 8: We're going in.

1915
01:29:59,240 --> 01:30:02,080
Speaker 6: I used to push push security out the way all

1916
01:30:02,120 --> 01:30:05,040
Speaker 6: that ship just like this, like guess the.

1917
01:30:05,040 --> 01:30:06,800
Speaker 8: Funk out the way we're going anyway, and we just walking.

1918
01:30:07,560 --> 01:30:08,519
Speaker 8: I had a bad rap at.

1919
01:30:08,479 --> 01:30:10,439
Speaker 5: First, Yeah, cause y'all took up all the space in

1920
01:30:10,479 --> 01:30:10,800
Speaker 5: the club.

1921
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:12,840
Speaker 8: I had a bad rap at first. It was bad.

1922
01:30:14,400 --> 01:30:17,599
Speaker 1: So how did they take you? Just not being there?

1923
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:19,640
Speaker 3: So look at this.

1924
01:30:19,760 --> 01:30:23,960
Speaker 6: So when I moved to Atlanta, I literally I was.

1925
01:30:24,080 --> 01:30:26,400
Speaker 6: It was not a move, it was a movement. I

1926
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:29,200
Speaker 6: rallied up a whole bunch of motherfuckers. I brought a

1927
01:30:29,320 --> 01:30:32,120
Speaker 6: whole I brought my immediate staff. I had everybody relocated.

1928
01:30:32,120 --> 01:30:34,519
Speaker 6: I helped everybody get you got a place, you gotta move,

1929
01:30:34,560 --> 01:30:36,000
Speaker 6: we gotta get your car, like whatever the fuck you

1930
01:30:36,040 --> 01:30:36,360
Speaker 6: need to do.

1931
01:30:36,760 --> 01:30:37,519
Speaker 8: And banks came.

1932
01:30:37,600 --> 01:30:40,719
Speaker 6: We all came, We we came. We showed up literally

1933
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:43,000
Speaker 6: literally with like a mob. And then we recruited a

1934
01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:46,080
Speaker 6: bunch of our college kids who were out there already.

1935
01:30:46,320 --> 01:30:48,240
Speaker 6: We found the homies that have been living out there already.

1936
01:30:48,280 --> 01:30:50,200
Speaker 6: We just started a whole click. We linked up with

1937
01:30:50,280 --> 01:30:52,320
Speaker 6: the l A crew because you know, I got a

1938
01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:56,280
Speaker 6: bunch of cousins and family. Man vill tell you how

1939
01:30:56,360 --> 01:30:58,640
Speaker 6: Deeple was in Atlanta. We had a we had a

1940
01:30:58,680 --> 01:31:01,559
Speaker 6: fucking army Johns from day one.

1941
01:31:01,720 --> 01:31:02,559
Speaker 3: So so.

1942
01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:09,160
Speaker 6: I mean, I showed up in Atlanta with a cause, man,

1943
01:31:09,200 --> 01:31:11,280
Speaker 6: like you know, I was fucking I had already been

1944
01:31:11,320 --> 01:31:13,920
Speaker 6: coming out there since like eighty nine and shit, doing

1945
01:31:14,160 --> 01:31:18,280
Speaker 6: shows and signing autographs and records, record in stores and

1946
01:31:18,320 --> 01:31:20,640
Speaker 6: ship and coming back to go to Magic City when

1947
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:22,439
Speaker 6: I when I get when I do the show, we

1948
01:31:22,520 --> 01:31:24,439
Speaker 6: go to Magic City after the You know, I knew

1949
01:31:24,439 --> 01:31:25,040
Speaker 6: that Atlanta style.

1950
01:31:25,080 --> 01:31:27,000
Speaker 8: I had friends in Atlanta. People don't even know I

1951
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:28,200
Speaker 8: lived in Atlanta for a year.

1952
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:29,920
Speaker 5: Wait, so can we talk about that right there though,

1953
01:31:30,040 --> 01:31:31,920
Speaker 5: right just right there to being in Atlanta, the strip

1954
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:35,320
Speaker 5: culture and the difference between that and in the Oakland scene.

1955
01:31:35,920 --> 01:31:36,920
Speaker 3: We didn't have no strip clubs.

1956
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:41,160
Speaker 5: I mean, I figured so when you got to Atlanta, clubs.

1957
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:44,080
Speaker 8: And strip clubs in San Francisco are like really just

1958
01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:46,120
Speaker 8: for prostitution, right.

1959
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:47,600
Speaker 5: So, but when you got to Atlanta, it was like,

1960
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:49,439
Speaker 5: I mean, I know from living in Atlanta different I.

1961
01:31:49,439 --> 01:31:50,080
Speaker 1: Got to Atlanta.

1962
01:31:50,479 --> 01:31:54,280
Speaker 6: You get a table dance of five dollars, and fucking uh,

1963
01:31:54,400 --> 01:31:55,840
Speaker 6: you can go to spend one hundred dollars bill all

1964
01:31:55,960 --> 01:31:58,839
Speaker 6: night and get dances all night for five dollars.

1965
01:31:58,880 --> 01:32:01,320
Speaker 1: Them days over though, days over days over.

1966
01:32:01,600 --> 01:32:04,599
Speaker 6: When I got that, you could be like every strip

1967
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:07,280
Speaker 6: club had a photographer with a polaroid and you could

1968
01:32:07,280 --> 01:32:09,560
Speaker 6: be like, I want a picture with that bitch, and

1969
01:32:09,680 --> 01:32:12,639
Speaker 6: then she would come over and she'ld be butt ass

1970
01:32:12,720 --> 01:32:14,360
Speaker 6: naked and he's like, just put one hand on her

1971
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:15,080
Speaker 6: vagina or something.

1972
01:32:15,240 --> 01:32:15,840
Speaker 3: Take a picture.

1973
01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:18,960
Speaker 5: That's like before NIS before gentleman club.

1974
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:22,240
Speaker 8: All right, look, no, bend over and spread your pussy

1975
01:32:22,320 --> 01:32:24,240
Speaker 8: for my picture. Wow, And they do it. That was

1976
01:32:24,320 --> 01:32:24,960
Speaker 8: that was like normal.

1977
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:26,920
Speaker 1: How much? How much?

1978
01:32:30,640 --> 01:32:33,960
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm just pricing things out, he said, how much?

1979
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:42,080
Speaker 1: For the say about it.

1980
01:32:42,160 --> 01:32:46,120
Speaker 8: Back then, the pussy was uh, some caliweed and some

1981
01:32:46,520 --> 01:32:48,920
Speaker 8: probably like some food.

1982
01:32:50,160 --> 01:32:51,280
Speaker 5: It's not like another country.

1983
01:32:51,360 --> 01:32:51,599
Speaker 3: Wow.

1984
01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:57,080
Speaker 6: Strippers used to tell me I heard you got that caliweed.

1985
01:32:57,439 --> 01:33:02,160
Speaker 6: I'm like, yeah, we're going to kick and smoked. I

1986
01:33:02,240 --> 01:33:03,960
Speaker 6: used to keep something on me, let him smell the bag,

1987
01:33:04,360 --> 01:33:06,240
Speaker 6: like nigga, where are you going after this?

1988
01:33:08,120 --> 01:33:08,360
Speaker 1: Wow?

1989
01:33:08,920 --> 01:33:09,760
Speaker 8: Not anymore.

1990
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:19,080
Speaker 1: Now. I mean Month was made about the album number ten,

1991
01:33:19,880 --> 01:33:25,800
Speaker 1: getting it record as a retirement record. And if we

1992
01:33:25,960 --> 01:33:28,400
Speaker 1: know anything about life, black people.

1993
01:33:28,200 --> 01:33:32,960
Speaker 8: Don't ever time, especially that rappers, especially not rappers.

1994
01:33:33,040 --> 01:33:34,960
Speaker 1: But of course, my sucker, I think that might be

1995
01:33:35,080 --> 01:33:38,640
Speaker 1: my favorite record. That's my I love that record. I

1996
01:33:38,840 --> 01:33:42,240
Speaker 1: was like, oh man, it's this last record. Damn. But

1997
01:33:42,600 --> 01:33:45,160
Speaker 1: I mean, what made you start that campaign knowing that

1998
01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:46,040
Speaker 1: you weren't gonna get out?

1999
01:33:46,040 --> 01:33:48,519
Speaker 6: It was it was a numbers It was my tenth album, right,

2000
01:33:48,880 --> 01:33:51,720
Speaker 6: it was. I was thirty years old and at the time,

2001
01:33:53,200 --> 01:33:55,080
Speaker 6: thirty something year old rapper was like, oh.

2002
01:33:55,120 --> 01:33:56,120
Speaker 8: Last nigga rapper that was.

2003
01:33:57,000 --> 01:33:59,320
Speaker 6: That was like, man, you're really about to be a

2004
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:03,240
Speaker 6: granddadd rapp. So it was just a play on the numbers.

2005
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:07,320
Speaker 6: I felt like at that time, in nineteen ninety six,

2006
01:34:08,360 --> 01:34:12,280
Speaker 6: you could not find rappers that had ten albums, even

2007
01:34:12,320 --> 01:34:14,920
Speaker 6: your favorite rappers and have ten albums and then just

2008
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:16,760
Speaker 6: to make that statement album number ten.

2009
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:17,560
Speaker 3: That's why I named it that.

2010
01:34:18,840 --> 01:34:21,680
Speaker 6: It was like I was just sitting there saying, you know, look, man,

2011
01:34:21,720 --> 01:34:24,000
Speaker 6: I've been and out of the ten I got plaques.

2012
01:34:24,040 --> 01:34:27,439
Speaker 6: I was really just bragging. And the whole retirement was

2013
01:34:27,560 --> 01:34:30,839
Speaker 6: like some big willy shit, you know, cigar shit, yah retired,

2014
01:34:31,000 --> 01:34:33,360
Speaker 6: throw the retirement party. We thought it out as a

2015
01:34:33,439 --> 01:34:36,360
Speaker 6: promo thing that the retirement party would be the dopest

2016
01:34:36,360 --> 01:34:39,280
Speaker 6: album release party ever, you know, and it was. It

2017
01:34:39,400 --> 01:34:42,120
Speaker 6: got a lot of fucking attention. Like I've heard about it.

2018
01:34:42,720 --> 01:34:46,719
Speaker 6: So saying I retired was probably like the best marketing plan.

2019
01:34:46,600 --> 01:34:47,080
Speaker 1: I ever had.

2020
01:34:47,240 --> 01:34:49,080
Speaker 3: What was your deal with job? How many albums did

2021
01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:49,920
Speaker 3: you have on your contract?

2022
01:34:50,080 --> 01:34:52,800
Speaker 6: I had like one album after that, And part of

2023
01:34:52,840 --> 01:34:54,680
Speaker 6: the reason was to wake the motherfucker's up too. I

2024
01:34:54,760 --> 01:34:57,120
Speaker 6: was like, if I'm hanging around, I want a whole

2025
01:34:57,240 --> 01:34:58,240
Speaker 6: lot of more money.

2026
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:00,680
Speaker 8: And this it was.

2027
01:35:00,840 --> 01:35:03,360
Speaker 6: You know. But I fucked up though, because at that

2028
01:35:03,520 --> 01:35:05,599
Speaker 6: point I could have got the funk out of there,

2029
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:08,200
Speaker 6: and I had no idea that in a couple of

2030
01:35:08,280 --> 01:35:10,480
Speaker 6: years the jive was gonna fucking.

2031
01:35:11,720 --> 01:35:14,479
Speaker 8: Stick that Dick and Britney Spears and forget all about.

2032
01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:17,120
Speaker 5: Hip hop wow for a long time.

2033
01:35:18,360 --> 01:35:21,080
Speaker 6: And they stole in sync from R C A Records

2034
01:35:21,080 --> 01:35:22,679
Speaker 6: and they was like, fuck hip hop.

2035
01:35:22,960 --> 01:35:25,120
Speaker 8: I remember an a n R guy, a n R lawyer.

2036
01:35:25,160 --> 01:35:27,639
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say what was like dealing with Barry Wiss

2037
01:35:27,840 --> 01:35:30,759
Speaker 1: and just in general.

2038
01:35:30,880 --> 01:35:32,120
Speaker 3: I remember a n R lawyer.

2039
01:35:32,640 --> 01:35:34,000
Speaker 8: I think his name is Peter Thea.

2040
01:35:34,080 --> 01:35:38,360
Speaker 3: Peter. I hated Peter the Peter. They tried to sign us.

2041
01:35:38,360 --> 01:35:39,280
Speaker 3: They try to sign a little brother.

2042
01:35:39,400 --> 01:35:42,160
Speaker 8: Okay, Peter THEA told me one day.

2043
01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:51,479
Speaker 1: R C Now, well, he's he's our status of person

2044
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:52,240
Speaker 1: like he knews.

2045
01:35:52,400 --> 01:35:56,960
Speaker 6: Every Jive was selling tons of in sync Backstreet and

2046
01:35:57,040 --> 01:35:59,479
Speaker 6: Britney Spears, and they were totally neglecting R.

2047
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:01,920
Speaker 8: Kelly and everything R and B and hip hop. And

2048
01:36:02,960 --> 01:36:03,960
Speaker 8: I'm sitting there having a.

2049
01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:06,800
Speaker 6: Conversation with Peter Thea about the next thing, and you know,

2050
01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:10,320
Speaker 6: every everything, So uh us not in the budget. I know,

2051
01:36:10,400 --> 01:36:13,320
Speaker 6: mother fuck you guys got the biggest groups in the business.

2052
01:36:13,360 --> 01:36:16,280
Speaker 6: How do you have a budget? So Peter THEA said

2053
01:36:16,320 --> 01:36:19,240
Speaker 6: to me one day, it's today. I totally stopped liking

2054
01:36:19,320 --> 01:36:21,920
Speaker 6: Jive Records. I went from like just dealing with it

2055
01:36:22,040 --> 01:36:24,839
Speaker 6: and doing the business and like, I don't like you anymore.

2056
01:36:25,320 --> 01:36:29,519
Speaker 6: He said, we're getting back in the rap game. I said,

2057
01:36:29,840 --> 01:36:34,559
Speaker 6: when did you get out? Like, what the did that happen?

2058
01:36:34,720 --> 01:36:37,040
Speaker 6: I was like, whoa they they got out the rap game.

2059
01:36:37,160 --> 01:36:37,720
Speaker 6: I didn't even know.

2060
01:36:38,120 --> 01:36:38,400
Speaker 5: Wow.

2061
01:36:39,000 --> 01:36:46,800
Speaker 1: So it's as far as like movement to concern and stuff. Well,

2062
01:36:46,840 --> 01:36:52,840
Speaker 1: first of all, I mean, first of all, buy you something, Yeah, man,

2063
01:36:52,840 --> 01:36:55,800
Speaker 1: I love that record, favorite joints ever. But I mean

2064
01:36:55,840 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 1: you've also done like historical collaborations with.

2065
01:37:01,880 --> 01:37:04,000
Speaker 6: By you something as dope as fuck. Because we're at

2066
01:37:04,040 --> 01:37:06,840
Speaker 6: the studio, there's a felt like it was done just

2067
01:37:07,000 --> 01:37:09,479
Speaker 6: further move a drum set in the studio that only

2068
01:37:09,640 --> 01:37:12,160
Speaker 6: has and I always kept the set in there miked

2069
01:37:12,240 --> 01:37:14,160
Speaker 6: up because I like to get like a little feel

2070
01:37:14,240 --> 01:37:17,280
Speaker 6: or a little like a little snare the loop or something. No,

2071
01:37:17,400 --> 01:37:22,880
Speaker 6: that wasn't me, So I think I think we always

2072
01:37:22,920 --> 01:37:24,200
Speaker 6: had a lot of drummer around. Don't know if it

2073
01:37:24,240 --> 01:37:26,200
Speaker 6: could have been Tony t from DC, it could have been,

2074
01:37:26,800 --> 01:37:28,560
Speaker 6: could have been Pee we Pee. We played drums and

2075
01:37:28,640 --> 01:37:31,080
Speaker 6: Shorty we played drums. They all can play anything. So

2076
01:37:32,240 --> 01:37:35,000
Speaker 6: somebody saund the drums to start kicking that beat and

2077
01:37:35,080 --> 01:37:37,160
Speaker 6: it's only like a little ass set with like maybe

2078
01:37:37,240 --> 01:37:42,120
Speaker 6: one time one one crash and I had snare bass

2079
01:37:42,200 --> 01:37:45,920
Speaker 6: drum and fucking guitar only had like two strings on it.

2080
01:37:46,240 --> 01:37:51,200
Speaker 6: So somebody starts kicking the drum and then Shorty b

2081
01:37:51,360 --> 01:37:58,880
Speaker 6: hiss the bassline right boom, hitting the chord he likes

2082
01:37:58,880 --> 01:38:01,280
Speaker 6: played the chords on the base. Got that from a

2083
01:38:01,880 --> 01:38:05,519
Speaker 6: Eddie Hazel. So really that's the Parliament thing that the

2084
01:38:05,600 --> 01:38:07,559
Speaker 6: base chorus all soulf all blooesy and shit.

2085
01:38:07,840 --> 01:38:08,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, so.

2086
01:38:10,960 --> 01:38:13,439
Speaker 6: They start playing that beat and then fucking Eric Sermon

2087
01:38:13,560 --> 01:38:17,479
Speaker 6: freestyle diverse, which y'all know ha ha I no pen,

2088
01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:21,080
Speaker 6: no paper. So it was instantly that song, his first verse,

2089
01:38:21,400 --> 01:38:24,040
Speaker 6: that beat, that baseline, it was like, that's the ship

2090
01:38:24,160 --> 01:38:27,320
Speaker 6: that like, just leave that that that I wrote my

2091
01:38:27,479 --> 01:38:28,479
Speaker 6: rap and it was a song.

2092
01:38:28,520 --> 01:38:30,040
Speaker 8: It was just it was two minutes and something long.

2093
01:38:30,080 --> 01:38:31,120
Speaker 1: It was where did y'all recorded?

2094
01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:32,639
Speaker 8: At my studio and Atlanta.

2095
01:38:33,400 --> 01:38:35,160
Speaker 5: I literally always thought that song was too short night

2096
01:38:35,240 --> 01:38:37,200
Speaker 5: even being funny, but that's just funny that you said that.

2097
01:38:37,400 --> 01:38:39,439
Speaker 8: Yeah, because it just happened like that.

2098
01:38:39,560 --> 01:38:43,040
Speaker 6: And then we immediately we took the rough copy to

2099
01:38:43,160 --> 01:38:46,439
Speaker 6: the club, the fucking staticky copy, and it just instantly,

2100
01:38:46,600 --> 01:38:47,760
Speaker 6: just instantly did it.

2101
01:38:48,240 --> 01:38:48,400
Speaker 1: You know.

2102
01:38:48,760 --> 01:38:50,080
Speaker 8: Eric Simon played a trick on me too.

2103
01:38:50,240 --> 01:38:53,280
Speaker 6: I never really had a lot of New York love,

2104
01:38:53,680 --> 01:38:55,160
Speaker 6: not a lot of a lot of fans or anything, like,

2105
01:38:55,280 --> 01:38:58,439
Speaker 6: not a sales or anything. And he asked me, would

2106
01:38:58,479 --> 01:39:01,640
Speaker 6: I come fly up to the Apollo and do that

2107
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:03,400
Speaker 6: to do that song? During the show they were doing

2108
01:39:03,439 --> 01:39:05,960
Speaker 6: a Death Squad show, you know, not the ex sermon

2109
01:39:05,960 --> 01:39:07,040
Speaker 6: show with Death Squad with all him.

2110
01:39:08,720 --> 01:39:09,839
Speaker 8: Yeah, so you're gonna.

2111
01:39:09,800 --> 01:39:12,000
Speaker 6: Gonna bring you out, so you know, I'm cool, I'm

2112
01:39:12,080 --> 01:39:14,160
Speaker 6: I'm chilling, and you know, I'm just gonna do the

2113
01:39:14,200 --> 01:39:14,679
Speaker 6: ship whatever.

2114
01:39:15,120 --> 01:39:17,200
Speaker 8: But he didn't tell me that the record had broke

2115
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:19,120
Speaker 8: in New York and that they were loving it.

2116
01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:19,640
Speaker 1: You didn't know.

2117
01:39:19,800 --> 01:39:22,800
Speaker 8: I didn't know. I was in Atlanta. I didn't know.

2118
01:39:23,520 --> 01:39:25,240
Speaker 6: Played the trick on me. Man put me out on stage.

2119
01:39:25,240 --> 01:39:27,720
Speaker 6: The motherfuckers. The song came on, they went crazy. I

2120
01:39:27,800 --> 01:39:31,200
Speaker 6: came out. They went even crazier, and I'm like, when

2121
01:39:31,240 --> 01:39:34,640
Speaker 6: did this time? I remember arguing with a dude on

2122
01:39:34,720 --> 01:39:37,680
Speaker 6: the elevator that I told him. He was like, he's

2123
01:39:37,720 --> 01:39:40,600
Speaker 6: the He's the bellman in New York City and he

2124
01:39:40,720 --> 01:39:43,000
Speaker 6: was like, so what do you do? I'm like, I rap,

2125
01:39:43,680 --> 01:39:46,559
Speaker 6: Like where you're rapping wrap everywhere. You're like, what's your

2126
01:39:46,600 --> 01:39:48,120
Speaker 6: rapp name? Too short?

2127
01:39:48,360 --> 01:39:49,479
Speaker 3: Like oh yeah, you know.

2128
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:50,479
Speaker 8: He asked us a question.

2129
01:39:50,560 --> 01:39:53,639
Speaker 6: Somehow it gets to I do shows with a big

2130
01:39:53,720 --> 01:39:57,040
Speaker 6: Daddy came. He's like the funk out of here. I'm like,

2131
01:39:58,360 --> 01:39:59,920
Speaker 6: I'm like, shit, Big Day can't open.

2132
01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:03,639
Speaker 5: For me, and he's like out here now You're.

2133
01:40:03,520 --> 01:40:04,439
Speaker 8: Like, now you bullshit?

2134
01:40:04,840 --> 01:40:06,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, That's why I wanted to ask you because when

2135
01:40:06,600 --> 01:40:08,640
Speaker 3: you moved to Atlanta. That kind of makes sense to

2136
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:11,320
Speaker 3: me because I'm from the South, from North Carolina, but

2137
01:40:11,520 --> 01:40:14,439
Speaker 3: like the South and the Bay always seem to have

2138
01:40:14,640 --> 01:40:17,640
Speaker 3: some kind of kinshit, like y'all some country niggas, and

2139
01:40:17,800 --> 01:40:20,360
Speaker 3: like we always got it. But like in the South,

2140
01:40:20,520 --> 01:40:24,320
Speaker 3: like your records always ran so like did you at

2141
01:40:24,360 --> 01:40:25,880
Speaker 3: the time when you w on job and just throughout

2142
01:40:25,920 --> 01:40:28,640
Speaker 3: your career, had you generally sell more records in the

2143
01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:29,760
Speaker 3: South than like in the North.

2144
01:40:29,800 --> 01:40:33,000
Speaker 6: For I'm also one of them kids who spent every

2145
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:38,519
Speaker 6: summer in New Orleans. So I'm there for the sound

2146
01:40:38,600 --> 01:40:41,360
Speaker 6: of New Orleans, the whole second line, vibe the mighty

2147
01:40:41,400 --> 01:40:44,200
Speaker 6: grass and buy you classics. I'm there for that ship

2148
01:40:44,280 --> 01:40:46,600
Speaker 6: to bellow the bands. I'm a kid looking at that

2149
01:40:46,640 --> 01:40:49,680
Speaker 6: shit the whole way. The marching band's going by Mardi Gras,

2150
01:40:49,760 --> 01:40:52,040
Speaker 6: Paris and all the shit. My cousin's marching the band.

2151
01:40:52,120 --> 01:40:55,759
Speaker 6: I'm marching the band. But we played and stepped and turned.

2152
01:40:55,880 --> 01:40:58,400
Speaker 6: Then niggas marching the band. They danced and doing everything already,

2153
01:40:59,320 --> 01:41:05,639
Speaker 6: So so uh, I just think I when I started

2154
01:41:05,720 --> 01:41:09,200
Speaker 6: making records, there was a bounce in New Orleans. It's

2155
01:41:09,240 --> 01:41:10,960
Speaker 6: like to you swing the beat and they like do

2156
01:41:11,080 --> 01:41:13,400
Speaker 6: a little different dance. And I made a song called

2157
01:41:13,400 --> 01:41:15,240
Speaker 6: Iron't Tripping, just trying to do that New Orleans bounce,

2158
01:41:15,880 --> 01:41:18,760
Speaker 6: and I would always go in there and try to

2159
01:41:18,840 --> 01:41:21,439
Speaker 6: do something that on my rag. I'm like, they're gonna

2160
01:41:21,479 --> 01:41:22,680
Speaker 6: like this in New or they're gonna like this in

2161
01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:26,000
Speaker 6: in in Texas or something. I would know about certain

2162
01:41:26,160 --> 01:41:30,360
Speaker 6: sounds in certain places my way on, not like not

2163
01:41:30,600 --> 01:41:33,519
Speaker 6: like pandering exactly right. So I always like knew how

2164
01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:35,720
Speaker 6: to just work the drums to you know, you know,

2165
01:41:35,800 --> 01:41:37,320
Speaker 6: when you got go go drums, You're like, oh, that's

2166
01:41:37,320 --> 01:41:40,120
Speaker 6: go go drums, you know what I mean. So that

2167
01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:41,920
Speaker 6: was that I was in tune with the South, and

2168
01:41:41,960 --> 01:41:44,200
Speaker 6: I think a lot of rappers who jumped on the

2169
01:41:44,320 --> 01:41:48,720
Speaker 6: bandwagon later, producers, rappers, whatever, they kind of adapted to

2170
01:41:48,840 --> 01:41:49,599
Speaker 6: it as it became.

2171
01:41:49,880 --> 01:41:52,880
Speaker 8: I was there from day one on the South Ship.

2172
01:41:52,920 --> 01:41:53,160
Speaker 3: I was.

2173
01:41:53,479 --> 01:41:56,360
Speaker 6: They had records that they had dances that just went

2174
01:41:56,439 --> 01:41:58,680
Speaker 6: with two short songs, you know, So I was. I

2175
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:02,920
Speaker 6: fucking came to Myths Coliseum and came out on stage.

2176
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:05,120
Speaker 6: The first song was I Ain't Tripping Them motherfuckers jumped

2177
01:42:05,120 --> 01:42:09,200
Speaker 6: out their seats and started dancing like ant Farm doing

2178
01:42:09,280 --> 01:42:11,840
Speaker 6: some shit called the gangster Walk. I'm like, what the fuck?

2179
01:42:12,280 --> 01:42:13,240
Speaker 6: That ship looks crazy?

2180
01:42:13,280 --> 01:42:13,960
Speaker 8: To a performer?

2181
01:42:14,080 --> 01:42:19,080
Speaker 1: Were you were? You genuinely shocked at as far as

2182
01:42:19,200 --> 01:42:22,679
Speaker 1: like the well the cameos that you later did.

2183
01:42:25,200 --> 01:42:29,200
Speaker 6: Stuff, and the retirement also brought that. On the retirement announcement,

2184
01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:31,080
Speaker 6: they were like, well before you go, let me get averse.

2185
01:42:31,160 --> 01:42:34,080
Speaker 6: Let me get averse. And then it was Eric Sermon.

2186
01:42:34,560 --> 01:42:39,160
Speaker 6: It was me being on uh big East Biggie song,

2187
01:42:39,520 --> 01:42:42,599
Speaker 6: and then jay Z because I had this that was big,

2188
01:42:43,000 --> 01:42:45,880
Speaker 6: jay Z was like, you gotta do something. So then

2189
01:42:45,960 --> 01:42:48,280
Speaker 6: jay Z, I got on jay Z and then Foxy Brown,

2190
01:42:48,360 --> 01:42:49,680
Speaker 6: so I don't have another fucking start car. And I

2191
01:42:49,760 --> 01:42:52,400
Speaker 6: was like, but I also figured something else out to

2192
01:42:52,560 --> 01:42:57,160
Speaker 6: Living in Atlanta, we had a friendly East Coast West

2193
01:42:57,200 --> 01:43:00,960
Speaker 6: coast rivalry on you know, hej play certain songs. We

2194
01:43:01,000 --> 01:43:04,200
Speaker 6: try to see who turned up the most. And I

2195
01:43:04,320 --> 01:43:07,840
Speaker 6: actually started making friends with New York people so.

2196
01:43:08,240 --> 01:43:10,080
Speaker 5: Because they was out of the element too, so.

2197
01:43:10,400 --> 01:43:11,320
Speaker 1: It's neutral ground.

2198
01:43:12,000 --> 01:43:13,680
Speaker 8: So when I got to Atlanta, I started taking more

2199
01:43:13,720 --> 01:43:14,439
Speaker 8: trips to New York.

2200
01:43:14,479 --> 01:43:16,639
Speaker 6: It started, you know, I'm hanging out in fucking Washington

2201
01:43:16,680 --> 01:43:18,920
Speaker 6: Heights and I'm doing different ship and it's not so

2202
01:43:19,680 --> 01:43:22,559
Speaker 6: isolated to me anymore. And Trench is taking me around

2203
01:43:22,640 --> 01:43:25,719
Speaker 6: New York to fucking crazy ass areas at four o'clock

2204
01:43:25,720 --> 01:43:26,639
Speaker 6: in the morning and ship, I'm.

2205
01:43:29,160 --> 01:43:29,360
Speaker 1: Wrong?

2206
01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:33,000
Speaker 3: When did how did the record?

2207
01:43:33,040 --> 01:43:34,439
Speaker 1: You did call Me?

2208
01:43:34,520 --> 01:43:36,480
Speaker 3: Record with Little Kim for the Booty.

2209
01:43:36,200 --> 01:43:40,560
Speaker 6: Call Me was a Jives idea for they got the

2210
01:43:41,280 --> 01:43:44,080
Speaker 6: Booty Calls soundtrack. They're like, it'd be double if you

2211
01:43:44,120 --> 01:43:45,439
Speaker 6: did it. It's Booty called You used to do a

2212
01:43:45,479 --> 01:43:47,960
Speaker 6: record Little Kim. So they parlayd the ship, probably gave

2213
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:49,599
Speaker 6: her a nice little chunck of chain started to come

2214
01:43:49,680 --> 01:43:51,800
Speaker 6: do the ship. We get in the studio in New York.

2215
01:43:53,040 --> 01:43:55,640
Speaker 6: We worked at Battery Studios, and we we came up

2216
01:43:55,680 --> 01:43:57,960
Speaker 6: with the idea to call me. It was originally the

2217
01:43:58,040 --> 01:44:02,320
Speaker 6: sample actually you know if you that's where it started,

2218
01:44:02,920 --> 01:44:06,000
Speaker 6: and we later determined we didn't want to use the

2219
01:44:06,000 --> 01:44:07,920
Speaker 6: sample and we changed the melody a little bit, but

2220
01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:11,640
Speaker 6: just kept calling me. We sat in the studio, we

2221
01:44:11,760 --> 01:44:14,360
Speaker 6: got the vibe and we're like, cool, we owned something.

2222
01:44:14,520 --> 01:44:15,840
Speaker 6: So this is what we're gonna do. I got a

2223
01:44:15,880 --> 01:44:17,960
Speaker 6: dope ass studio in Atlanta. We're gonna fly you on

2224
01:44:18,040 --> 01:44:19,720
Speaker 6: your folks down. This this meet a Little Kim. We're

2225
01:44:19,720 --> 01:44:21,920
Speaker 6: gonna fly you on your folks down, and we're gonna

2226
01:44:21,960 --> 01:44:24,320
Speaker 6: finish the song up and get the money whatever.

2227
01:44:24,840 --> 01:44:28,760
Speaker 8: So Jiver is in on the play. I'm in on

2228
01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:29,200
Speaker 8: the ship.

2229
01:44:29,320 --> 01:44:31,920
Speaker 6: We booked the flights for Kim and her manager, get

2230
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:35,640
Speaker 6: them first class New York to Atlanta. I'm like, this

2231
01:44:35,840 --> 01:44:39,439
Speaker 6: little Kim, you know, I know, Biggie's my homie and

2232
01:44:40,240 --> 01:44:43,519
Speaker 6: Kim is his chick, So I'm respectful. I'm not gonna

2233
01:44:43,800 --> 01:44:45,640
Speaker 6: there's no plan to try to fuck little Kim. And

2234
01:44:46,200 --> 01:44:48,920
Speaker 6: I'm like, I'm gonna treat her like royalty. She's gonna

2235
01:44:48,960 --> 01:44:51,920
Speaker 6: get you know, to the help, to the studio, she's

2236
01:44:52,040 --> 01:44:54,759
Speaker 6: gonna get back home, sa nigga.

2237
01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:58,679
Speaker 8: I'm there to pick her up. And Biggie comes walking

2238
01:44:58,720 --> 01:45:05,160
Speaker 8: out the airport. No Kim, Oh, And he's like, and so,

2239
01:45:05,280 --> 01:45:08,000
Speaker 8: what's up with you? And what y'all doing? Like we're

2240
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:08,519
Speaker 8: doing what.

2241
01:45:10,760 --> 01:45:10,880
Speaker 3: You know?

2242
01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:13,200
Speaker 6: But he played it cool though. He's like they're doing

2243
01:45:13,240 --> 01:45:15,439
Speaker 6: a song for the Booty Calls soundtrack. He's like, Oh, yeah,

2244
01:45:15,560 --> 01:45:17,120
Speaker 6: she missed her plane. Shes gonna be in the next plane.

2245
01:45:17,240 --> 01:45:20,360
Speaker 6: He kind of screamed me if I had the right answers.

2246
01:45:20,360 --> 01:45:25,320
Speaker 3: Wow wow. But she did finally come. She came in

2247
01:45:25,439 --> 01:45:25,800
Speaker 3: next fight.

2248
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:28,120
Speaker 6: I took him to my mama's house, fed him some

2249
01:45:28,200 --> 01:45:31,280
Speaker 6: some U some some some soul food dinner from that night.

2250
01:45:32,760 --> 01:45:34,960
Speaker 6: I had just got a shipment of two answers of

2251
01:45:35,040 --> 01:45:37,080
Speaker 6: some good ass California weed, which was really hard to

2252
01:45:37,120 --> 01:45:39,200
Speaker 6: get at the time, and I sold him one. I

2253
01:45:39,200 --> 01:45:44,760
Speaker 6: didn't give it to him, that's right, and everything was cool.

2254
01:45:44,840 --> 01:45:46,160
Speaker 6: She got on, She got on the next plane. We

2255
01:45:46,400 --> 01:45:47,599
Speaker 6: worked on the song and it was cool.

2256
01:45:47,920 --> 01:45:52,560
Speaker 3: Another soundtrack question, the Juice soundtrack, mc pool, Who was

2257
01:45:52,640 --> 01:45:55,479
Speaker 3: that you? That's my artist? It was, but it wasn't.

2258
01:45:55,600 --> 01:45:58,240
Speaker 8: I thought that's pooh Man and he was poor.

2259
01:45:58,080 --> 01:46:02,120
Speaker 3: Man, yeah, and he he always I thought murder him.

2260
01:46:02,160 --> 01:46:02,720
Speaker 3: I thought it was you.

2261
01:46:02,880 --> 01:46:04,320
Speaker 8: He tried to make my voices.

2262
01:46:04,360 --> 01:46:04,680
Speaker 1: He was young.

2263
01:46:04,720 --> 01:46:06,200
Speaker 6: He tried to do my voice like a lot of

2264
01:46:06,840 --> 01:46:10,160
Speaker 6: you know, he tried to do two short voices. Poor

2265
01:46:10,200 --> 01:46:11,799
Speaker 6: Man is a big motherfucker to to be trying.

2266
01:46:11,680 --> 01:46:13,840
Speaker 3: To because I thought I saw pictures of him in

2267
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:16,040
Speaker 3: the sores, but I didn't know if it was you know,

2268
01:46:16,160 --> 01:46:18,799
Speaker 3: I didn't know if that was covered thought.

2269
01:46:18,680 --> 01:46:24,519
Speaker 1: That sucks bunny. Murder was damn, we're right here, right here.

2270
01:46:25,280 --> 01:46:27,840
Speaker 3: So he was someone. He was a totally different guy.

2271
01:46:28,439 --> 01:46:32,080
Speaker 1: Poor Man is he he's uh, he's still around, Okay.

2272
01:46:32,120 --> 01:46:34,400
Speaker 6: I brought him on stage I did a thirtieth anniversary

2273
01:46:34,400 --> 01:46:35,559
Speaker 6: show my band and brought him out.

2274
01:46:36,400 --> 01:46:41,680
Speaker 1: Gotcha, gotcha? So with with with the rise of Okay.

2275
01:46:43,400 --> 01:46:43,960
Speaker 3: With with?

2276
01:46:46,600 --> 01:46:50,920
Speaker 1: When I heard you on uh the Van's joint h

2277
01:46:52,439 --> 01:46:56,920
Speaker 1: and someone was like, I forgot who it was. It's like, yeah, man,

2278
01:46:57,000 --> 01:46:59,639
Speaker 1: you know short used to be in the skate parts

2279
01:46:59,680 --> 01:47:03,120
Speaker 1: and on you were just so.

2280
01:47:04,840 --> 01:47:08,320
Speaker 8: The group that did the pack. So these were some

2281
01:47:08,479 --> 01:47:10,360
Speaker 8: kids that just were from Berkeley, Man.

2282
01:47:12,920 --> 01:47:15,840
Speaker 6: So I was going to do a show up in

2283
01:47:15,960 --> 01:47:18,200
Speaker 6: the way up north cast somewhere where we had to

2284
01:47:18,479 --> 01:47:20,280
Speaker 6: leave from the Bay and drive three hours in. The

2285
01:47:20,360 --> 01:47:24,600
Speaker 6: promoter had a driver, you know, come get us in

2286
01:47:24,680 --> 01:47:27,240
Speaker 6: a van, and this motherfucker played the Pack on their

2287
01:47:27,280 --> 01:47:29,880
Speaker 6: little mixtapes and he played and I was like, I

2288
01:47:29,960 --> 01:47:31,040
Speaker 6: was like, what is that you listen to?

2289
01:47:31,280 --> 01:47:31,920
Speaker 8: He said the Pack.

2290
01:47:32,479 --> 01:47:34,280
Speaker 6: I was like, play it again. We had long ass ride.

2291
01:47:34,280 --> 01:47:36,519
Speaker 6: We listened to it two times. I was like, you

2292
01:47:36,600 --> 01:47:40,120
Speaker 6: know then he was like yeah, I know him, and uh.

2293
01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:42,880
Speaker 6: I was like, man, I need to meet them. So

2294
01:47:43,080 --> 01:47:46,439
Speaker 6: the van dude, he was like, I'm gonna hook you

2295
01:47:46,520 --> 01:47:48,479
Speaker 6: up with him. So we talking and ship and he's

2296
01:47:48,479 --> 01:47:50,400
Speaker 6: gonna hook me up with the Pack. So we were

2297
01:47:50,400 --> 01:47:54,439
Speaker 6: planning on meeting at a Hamburger stand and four dudes

2298
01:47:54,479 --> 01:47:56,240
Speaker 6: showed up, but they wasn't.

2299
01:47:56,080 --> 01:47:56,600
Speaker 8: A pack and.

2300
01:47:58,600 --> 01:47:59,599
Speaker 1: Screening you before.

2301
01:48:00,280 --> 01:48:02,680
Speaker 6: So the dudes is like then it's like, so, look, man,

2302
01:48:02,720 --> 01:48:04,080
Speaker 6: we just want to know how we're gonna get paid

2303
01:48:04,320 --> 01:48:05,960
Speaker 6: and what you know when we're gonna get in the studio.

2304
01:48:06,080 --> 01:48:08,519
Speaker 8: And I'm like, I'm like, dude, what the.

2305
01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:11,000
Speaker 6: Fuck are you talking about? You got a Hennessy bottle

2306
01:48:11,000 --> 01:48:14,120
Speaker 6: in his hand. He's like, man, he's talking to you right.

2307
01:48:14,840 --> 01:48:16,720
Speaker 6: And I happened to borrow my Homies Bentley that day.

2308
01:48:16,760 --> 01:48:18,679
Speaker 6: I never buy Bentley's and Rolls, races and ship because

2309
01:48:18,680 --> 01:48:20,519
Speaker 6: I just I'm just like a Porsche of Mercedes with

2310
01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:23,080
Speaker 6: I mean, my homies Bentley. I'm pulling up like Big

2311
01:48:23,120 --> 01:48:25,719
Speaker 6: Willie at the Hamburger staying and these motherfuckers are barking

2312
01:48:25,760 --> 01:48:27,840
Speaker 6: out orders to me on how this relationship is gonna work.

2313
01:48:29,560 --> 01:48:32,240
Speaker 8: And then he's like, I'm like, so, which one of

2314
01:48:32,280 --> 01:48:32,760
Speaker 8: y'all is the pack?

2315
01:48:32,800 --> 01:48:33,280
Speaker 1: Who's the pack?

2316
01:48:33,320 --> 01:48:35,840
Speaker 8: He's like, look, man, we're from Berkeley, like the pack,

2317
01:48:35,920 --> 01:48:36,599
Speaker 8: but we ain't the pack.

2318
01:48:36,680 --> 01:48:38,400
Speaker 1: The pack first, before you can get to the pack,

2319
01:48:38,439 --> 01:48:39,439
Speaker 1: you gotta go through us first.

2320
01:48:39,520 --> 01:48:42,000
Speaker 8: I'm like, how, what the fuck uh.

2321
01:48:43,080 --> 01:48:45,800
Speaker 6: So I get a phone call from my homeboy from

2322
01:48:45,880 --> 01:48:47,840
Speaker 6: Frisco and he's like, man, I heard just looking for

2323
01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:51,200
Speaker 6: my son. I'm like the son. He's like, my son's

2324
01:48:51,240 --> 01:48:54,280
Speaker 6: in the pack. So I cut the middleman out. My

2325
01:48:54,400 --> 01:48:57,560
Speaker 6: homie is uh, little UNO's daddy. I get them to

2326
01:48:57,600 --> 01:48:59,479
Speaker 6: come over to his house. Then we get it going

2327
01:48:59,520 --> 01:49:01,720
Speaker 6: in and it's like like you know, the pack. I

2328
01:49:01,800 --> 01:49:05,600
Speaker 6: think two of them skate, l the producer, young l

2329
01:49:05,720 --> 01:49:09,680
Speaker 6: and uh and stunning. They skate and then Little Bee

2330
01:49:09,840 --> 01:49:11,960
Speaker 6: was just when I met them, a Little Bee, I

2331
01:49:11,960 --> 01:49:13,720
Speaker 6: don't know what the fuck his little image is now

2332
01:49:13,800 --> 01:49:16,800
Speaker 6: with the base guy crazy when I met him. When

2333
01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:18,120
Speaker 6: I met him, he was like a little thug. He

2334
01:49:18,240 --> 01:49:20,320
Speaker 6: was like a little street cadgy. We had to actually

2335
01:49:20,880 --> 01:49:22,760
Speaker 6: wait for him to get out of jail to start

2336
01:49:22,800 --> 01:49:25,320
Speaker 6: the project. He was, Oh wow, he was in Juni

2337
01:49:25,439 --> 01:49:26,720
Speaker 6: Hall when when I met him.

2338
01:49:26,920 --> 01:49:29,479
Speaker 1: A Little Bee is like the Dalai Lama of the

2339
01:49:29,560 --> 01:49:32,519
Speaker 1: internet round now, like no, he's he set the trends

2340
01:49:32,560 --> 01:49:35,760
Speaker 1: for all that ship, like Maconey and like all those

2341
01:49:35,800 --> 01:49:37,280
Speaker 1: guys made it cool to not.

2342
01:49:39,920 --> 01:49:44,839
Speaker 8: Not be good and but you're not being good on purpose.

2343
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:48,840
Speaker 6: Yeah, he's definitely these motherfuckers are now wrapping off beating,

2344
01:49:48,880 --> 01:49:50,519
Speaker 6: rapping like they can't wrap and that's the style.

2345
01:49:51,640 --> 01:49:52,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's.

2346
01:49:54,080 --> 01:49:55,080
Speaker 3: But it goes, it goes.

2347
01:49:55,320 --> 01:49:58,920
Speaker 8: So yeah, the Pack came to me.

2348
01:49:59,680 --> 01:50:02,000
Speaker 6: They were were kind of like working the skater image

2349
01:50:02,000 --> 01:50:06,559
Speaker 6: a little bit, and I just, you know, I'm an

2350
01:50:06,560 --> 01:50:09,000
Speaker 6: opportunist man. When I met Little John, I was like,

2351
01:50:09,360 --> 01:50:12,000
Speaker 6: that's the wave and I knew that Little John had

2352
01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:14,559
Speaker 6: a sound that was hot, and I was like, I'll

2353
01:50:14,640 --> 01:50:15,800
Speaker 6: help you do everything.

2354
01:50:15,520 --> 01:50:17,600
Speaker 8: You can in the world if you promise me that

2355
01:50:17,720 --> 01:50:19,120
Speaker 8: you keep giving me those beats you make.

2356
01:50:20,840 --> 01:50:22,719
Speaker 5: Did you meet him more house days in Atlanta?

2357
01:50:22,920 --> 01:50:25,240
Speaker 6: Or I met a Little John. He was already working

2358
01:50:25,280 --> 01:50:27,960
Speaker 6: for So So Deaf. He was doing some producing with

2359
01:50:28,040 --> 01:50:30,360
Speaker 6: the like Booty Shake music, and he was DJing a

2360
01:50:30,400 --> 01:50:32,880
Speaker 6: lot in Atlanta. I love the way he dj because

2361
01:50:32,920 --> 01:50:35,560
Speaker 6: he DJs and he worked the crowd up in a

2362
01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:37,960
Speaker 6: frenzy with what he's saying and the music. So I

2363
01:50:38,120 --> 01:50:40,760
Speaker 6: was like a little Johnt fan as a DJ, and

2364
01:50:40,920 --> 01:50:43,479
Speaker 6: I approached him. That's how I started working house. I

2365
01:50:43,520 --> 01:50:44,680
Speaker 6: was like, man, you need to let me wrap on

2366
01:50:45,200 --> 01:50:46,120
Speaker 6: your beats.

2367
01:50:46,640 --> 01:50:48,799
Speaker 1: Like when you got on that Pack record. And suddenly

2368
01:50:49,040 --> 01:50:51,439
Speaker 1: just all these rumors I'm like, yeah, two Short, you

2369
01:50:51,520 --> 01:50:53,200
Speaker 1: used to skate back in the day and all that stuff.

2370
01:50:53,680 --> 01:50:55,000
Speaker 6: I did the same thing with the pack. I knew

2371
01:50:55,040 --> 01:50:57,280
Speaker 6: Young L had these beats. I went over the house.

2372
01:50:57,360 --> 01:50:59,600
Speaker 6: I went over to Young L's house. He lived with

2373
01:50:59,680 --> 01:51:02,000
Speaker 6: his mind. He had the coke closet. When you first

2374
01:51:02,040 --> 01:51:04,160
Speaker 6: come in the house, they opened the coat closet and

2375
01:51:04,240 --> 01:51:06,800
Speaker 6: it's his studio microphone booth. Nope, not the mic.

2376
01:51:06,840 --> 01:51:09,439
Speaker 3: It was the studio studio, the studio, the mic.

2377
01:51:09,600 --> 01:51:12,240
Speaker 6: The microphone was wired from the coat closet to his

2378
01:51:12,360 --> 01:51:14,479
Speaker 6: bedroom closet. So you go in the bedroom and you

2379
01:51:14,600 --> 01:51:17,639
Speaker 6: wrap in there with his clothes. And I was impressed.

2380
01:51:17,760 --> 01:51:20,400
Speaker 8: I was not impressed by the fact that they figured

2381
01:51:20,400 --> 01:51:20,639
Speaker 8: it out.

2382
01:51:20,680 --> 01:51:22,200
Speaker 1: Did they know about the legend the too Short, that

2383
01:51:22,280 --> 01:51:26,800
Speaker 1: they knew who was amongst them? Or we heard about you? Okay?

2384
01:51:27,640 --> 01:51:31,800
Speaker 1: And I was really impressed that they had no track record.

2385
01:51:31,880 --> 01:51:34,080
Speaker 6: But every time they would bounce down the song, it'd

2386
01:51:34,120 --> 01:51:36,439
Speaker 6: be a really good mix, like this shit sounded good,

2387
01:51:36,439 --> 01:51:38,240
Speaker 6: And I'm like, who's doing this shit for y'all? They

2388
01:51:38,360 --> 01:51:39,760
Speaker 6: like they took me to the setup. They're like, we

2389
01:51:39,880 --> 01:51:42,000
Speaker 6: do it ourselves. Like, man, y'all got some help from

2390
01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:44,320
Speaker 6: somewhere and they just elle just had that earround like

2391
01:51:44,360 --> 01:51:46,519
Speaker 6: some people just get it immediately, and a little beat

2392
01:51:46,520 --> 01:51:48,840
Speaker 6: would write the hooks l make the beat, and then

2393
01:51:49,040 --> 01:51:50,720
Speaker 6: the other two dudes just had to come with the

2394
01:51:50,840 --> 01:51:52,120
Speaker 6: twelve or sixteen word verse.

2395
01:51:52,160 --> 01:51:52,320
Speaker 3: It was.

2396
01:51:52,720 --> 01:51:55,120
Speaker 8: It was magic when I met him beat. When I

2397
01:51:55,280 --> 01:51:57,519
Speaker 8: met him, they had sixty songs. I'm like, what that fuck?

2398
01:51:58,160 --> 01:52:03,000
Speaker 1: So it was almost like seeing you recontextualized for you know,

2399
01:52:03,400 --> 01:52:06,400
Speaker 1: the new arts, and then you know, like so when

2400
01:52:06,439 --> 01:52:10,439
Speaker 1: blow the Whistle comes along, then it's like, can you

2401
01:52:10,600 --> 01:52:14,040
Speaker 1: explain what the Hyphie movement was supposed to be or

2402
01:52:14,320 --> 01:52:15,519
Speaker 1: was it just okay?

2403
01:52:15,720 --> 01:52:20,880
Speaker 6: So so now you got you got too short, you

2404
01:52:21,000 --> 01:52:24,559
Speaker 6: got forty, and you got mac Drer. Now nobody from

2405
01:52:24,600 --> 01:52:27,320
Speaker 6: the Bay with every dispute, all rap, all Bay rap

2406
01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:28,920
Speaker 6: comes from these three people.

2407
01:52:29,439 --> 01:52:32,479
Speaker 1: Can you before you go, can you explain the legend

2408
01:52:32,560 --> 01:52:34,040
Speaker 1: of mac dre for those.

2409
01:52:34,479 --> 01:52:37,439
Speaker 6: This is the part of it, him and forty from

2410
01:52:38,320 --> 01:52:42,360
Speaker 6: so I get ahead started everybody. I'm like, they never

2411
01:52:42,479 --> 01:52:45,000
Speaker 6: get me on sales, they never get me on who

2412
01:52:45,120 --> 01:52:47,599
Speaker 6: came first, They never get me on the biggest records.

2413
01:52:47,840 --> 01:52:49,800
Speaker 8: I got them. I set the fucking tongue.

2414
01:52:50,360 --> 01:52:52,720
Speaker 6: So now you got me and you got mac Dre

2415
01:52:52,840 --> 01:52:55,120
Speaker 6: and E forty and they come out of Valayo with

2416
01:52:55,240 --> 01:53:02,400
Speaker 6: all homies and mac Dre is to the bay. He's

2417
01:53:02,520 --> 01:53:05,559
Speaker 6: the one that gets up, does the dances. He's he's

2418
01:53:05,680 --> 01:53:08,479
Speaker 6: amongst the people. He's he touches them, he's one of them.

2419
01:53:08,520 --> 01:53:10,360
Speaker 6: He hugs him and he's They love and they like.

2420
01:53:10,439 --> 01:53:10,559
Speaker 8: Man.

2421
01:53:10,680 --> 01:53:15,320
Speaker 6: Dre's my guy. Forty is the kingpin. He's like, you

2422
01:53:15,400 --> 01:53:18,400
Speaker 6: can't get past the security. He lives in big gated house.

2423
01:53:18,640 --> 01:53:21,120
Speaker 6: He's always been his rap image. His real life image

2424
01:53:21,120 --> 01:53:23,840
Speaker 6: has always been I'm a boss and in me, I'm

2425
01:53:23,920 --> 01:53:24,679
Speaker 6: the Oakland nigga.

2426
01:53:24,720 --> 01:53:26,720
Speaker 8: You know, I'm just you know, short dog. You know,

2427
01:53:26,800 --> 01:53:28,559
Speaker 8: I talk shit out do the pimp image.

2428
01:53:28,600 --> 01:53:31,439
Speaker 6: I do all this shit and everything Bayry rap comes

2429
01:53:31,479 --> 01:53:33,880
Speaker 6: from the pimp that E forty the boss and Mac

2430
01:53:34,000 --> 01:53:36,400
Speaker 6: Dre clowning and just being, you know, really's hell.

2431
01:53:36,680 --> 01:53:40,719
Speaker 8: So Oakland had a thing called the Side Show.

2432
01:53:41,360 --> 01:53:43,640
Speaker 6: The side Show was just a bunch of people in

2433
01:53:43,680 --> 01:53:47,080
Speaker 6: their customized cars hanging out in Taco Bell parking lot

2434
01:53:47,160 --> 01:53:51,320
Speaker 6: that's adjacent to the East Oakland East myt Mall, and

2435
01:53:52,040 --> 01:53:53,400
Speaker 6: we just come out there Saturday night and.

2436
01:53:53,439 --> 01:53:53,920
Speaker 1: Just hang out.

2437
01:53:54,479 --> 01:53:57,600
Speaker 6: The side show evolved into the ship. You might have

2438
01:53:57,640 --> 01:53:59,960
Speaker 6: seen on DVD's when they're doing the donuts and shade up.

2439
01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:02,519
Speaker 6: Fuckers is racking allow and all this ship and jumping

2440
01:54:02,520 --> 01:54:05,760
Speaker 6: out the car and all that. So the side show

2441
01:54:06,560 --> 01:54:09,680
Speaker 6: evolved from one parking lot to the next generation was

2442
01:54:09,720 --> 01:54:12,080
Speaker 6: like probably like the early two thousands. They were like,

2443
01:54:13,000 --> 01:54:16,880
Speaker 6: wherever we're at, if we stop and we liked the music,

2444
01:54:16,920 --> 01:54:19,000
Speaker 6: were about to have a fucking party. And then they

2445
01:54:19,040 --> 01:54:23,679
Speaker 6: would just block off main intersections, backstreets, freeways. They didn't

2446
01:54:23,680 --> 01:54:28,080
Speaker 6: give a fuck, and it's like hundreds of kids, you know,

2447
01:54:28,320 --> 01:54:31,240
Speaker 6: like not and don't picture kids. These motherfuckers like gangsters,

2448
01:54:31,320 --> 01:54:34,480
Speaker 6: like just wilding they got. If you want to if

2449
01:54:34,520 --> 01:54:37,360
Speaker 6: you want to see it, go to YouTube and look

2450
01:54:37,440 --> 01:54:40,920
Speaker 6: up go dumb Usa some Oakland ship. Go dumb Usa

2451
01:54:41,160 --> 01:54:42,840
Speaker 6: is to it is what it says.

2452
01:54:42,960 --> 01:54:43,400
Speaker 8: It's dumb.

2453
01:54:44,800 --> 01:54:47,080
Speaker 6: Motherfucker's on top of the public bus and the bus

2454
01:54:47,480 --> 01:54:49,040
Speaker 6: is ride and they just dance on top of the bus.

2455
01:54:49,480 --> 01:54:54,080
Speaker 6: So Mac Dre and the Vallejo Boys, how all these

2456
01:54:54,200 --> 01:54:56,880
Speaker 6: dances they do? They like, you go to Vallejo. They're

2457
01:54:57,040 --> 01:55:00,240
Speaker 6: very colorful, they're very originally they're very not o when

2458
01:55:00,240 --> 01:55:04,080
Speaker 6: they're very not san Francisco Valao is Valao always has been.

2459
01:55:04,520 --> 01:55:06,800
Speaker 6: So they do all these fucking dances and all this

2460
01:55:06,880 --> 01:55:08,560
Speaker 6: ship and they got their own slang words and they

2461
01:55:08,600 --> 01:55:11,680
Speaker 6: got their own they are. They're thirty miles away from

2462
01:55:11,760 --> 01:55:13,080
Speaker 6: us and they're fucking They might as well be on

2463
01:55:13,080 --> 01:55:16,520
Speaker 6: the island, right because they are not copying anybody.

2464
01:55:16,680 --> 01:55:21,240
Speaker 8: For Leaho is original. So mac Drake brings that element

2465
01:55:21,600 --> 01:55:23,320
Speaker 8: to what a side show would be.

2466
01:55:23,400 --> 01:55:25,840
Speaker 6: You know, I even want to say the ghost riding

2467
01:55:25,840 --> 01:55:27,800
Speaker 6: the whip park probably came from Dre and them like

2468
01:55:27,920 --> 01:55:29,560
Speaker 6: they they seem to be more like the ones that

2469
01:55:29,680 --> 01:55:31,960
Speaker 6: jumped out the car and knew that the car would

2470
01:55:32,000 --> 01:55:34,240
Speaker 6: go at a certain speed without you touching the gas

2471
01:55:34,360 --> 01:55:36,000
Speaker 6: or the break and then they dance at that same

2472
01:55:36,040 --> 01:55:39,520
Speaker 6: speed and you never lose car. That's whoever was and

2473
01:55:41,000 --> 01:55:44,160
Speaker 6: to like them, Yeah, I think I think not kick

2474
01:55:44,240 --> 01:55:48,200
Speaker 6: Sink Kickink from ok but uh, turf talk is that's

2475
01:55:48,200 --> 01:55:51,160
Speaker 6: the forties fan. I think I think turf is from Valeo,

2476
01:55:51,360 --> 01:55:52,080
Speaker 6: but I might be wrong.

2477
01:55:52,680 --> 01:55:53,320
Speaker 8: I might be wrong.

2478
01:55:56,880 --> 01:55:59,600
Speaker 6: So the high fee movement starts. The high fee movement

2479
01:55:59,680 --> 01:56:02,720
Speaker 6: to me is what Kick the Sneak was doing in

2480
01:56:02,880 --> 01:56:06,280
Speaker 6: Oakland with the side shows and just the whole Oakland

2481
01:56:06,560 --> 01:56:09,160
Speaker 6: vibe of what Keith was talking about. And then mac

2482
01:56:09,240 --> 01:56:13,440
Speaker 6: dre with the pimp silly shit dancing and clown and

2483
01:56:13,560 --> 01:56:16,040
Speaker 6: shit and ghost riding and all this shit. So they

2484
01:56:16,080 --> 01:56:18,960
Speaker 6: took the ghost riding and dancing of v Leo, mixed

2485
01:56:19,000 --> 01:56:21,839
Speaker 6: it with the burning rubber and crazy car driving to Oakland,

2486
01:56:21,840 --> 01:56:23,640
Speaker 6: and they messed it into one thing. And I don't

2487
01:56:23,680 --> 01:56:26,320
Speaker 6: know where Hyphie came from, because it could have been

2488
01:56:26,360 --> 01:56:29,080
Speaker 6: called anything, because you know, really it was a real

2489
01:56:29,120 --> 01:56:33,840
Speaker 6: street culture thing, And the reason why it couldn't be

2490
01:56:34,120 --> 01:56:39,440
Speaker 6: a hip hop, solid solidified movement is because the Hyphee

2491
01:56:39,480 --> 01:56:42,440
Speaker 6: movement was you gotta be high. You gotta be fucking

2492
01:56:42,520 --> 01:56:46,280
Speaker 6: high on the drugs. The drugs were was ecstasy and

2493
01:56:46,600 --> 01:56:49,680
Speaker 6: cocaine and fucking them little niggas snort heroin and shit and.

2494
01:56:50,320 --> 01:56:54,800
Speaker 1: Getting in the car, you gotta be drinking.

2495
01:56:54,920 --> 01:56:56,960
Speaker 6: So it's d u I right off the rip, it's

2496
01:56:58,240 --> 01:57:01,240
Speaker 6: it's fucking a lot of lot of weapons, you know

2497
01:57:01,240 --> 01:57:01,640
Speaker 6: what I'm saying.

2498
01:57:01,640 --> 01:57:04,800
Speaker 8: It's always a violent act to go with it. And

2499
01:57:04,880 --> 01:57:06,440
Speaker 8: then it's I'm wanting it right now?

2500
01:57:06,520 --> 01:57:07,240
Speaker 1: Is you talking about it?

2501
01:57:07,640 --> 01:57:10,640
Speaker 6: And then it's like extremely overall, it's just hell of disrespectful,

2502
01:57:10,720 --> 01:57:11,200
Speaker 6: just overall.

2503
01:57:11,240 --> 01:57:13,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, yea some female stuff going on and you don't

2504
01:57:13,440 --> 01:57:16,080
Speaker 5: look like it might be right, but it looked like

2505
01:57:16,120 --> 01:57:20,880
Speaker 5: it's exciting, you know, to watch it's like some want

2506
01:57:20,920 --> 01:57:22,360
Speaker 5: to get free throwing in some dope they gonna get

2507
01:57:22,360 --> 01:57:22,960
Speaker 5: free thrown anyway.

2508
01:57:23,000 --> 01:57:26,400
Speaker 6: You know, that's that's freakingin gone bad. That's like freaking

2509
01:57:27,280 --> 01:57:33,520
Speaker 6: that's Freaknik's fucked up cousin. So so the music was great,

2510
01:57:33,640 --> 01:57:37,280
Speaker 6: by the way. The music was hip hop, street ship,

2511
01:57:37,440 --> 01:57:39,400
Speaker 6: but it made you want to dance, and it was

2512
01:57:39,480 --> 01:57:41,800
Speaker 6: really big in the clubs. And the Hyphee movie was like,

2513
01:57:42,600 --> 01:57:44,560
Speaker 6: if it was just about the dancing the music, I

2514
01:57:44,640 --> 01:57:46,520
Speaker 6: think it would have been something for the world. But

2515
01:57:46,600 --> 01:57:50,080
Speaker 6: when you gotta be Yeah, And I talked to Big

2516
01:57:50,200 --> 01:57:51,720
Speaker 6: Vin over at the radio stations. She was like, man,

2517
01:57:51,760 --> 01:57:55,080
Speaker 6: it was really hard to promote it on a commercial

2518
01:57:55,200 --> 01:57:58,280
Speaker 6: level because it's not It was not commercial. So everybody

2519
01:57:58,400 --> 01:58:02,680
Speaker 6: involved was expected and the next crunk movement, you know

2520
01:58:02,680 --> 01:58:05,600
Speaker 6: what I'm saying, And if it came short of that,

2521
01:58:05,920 --> 01:58:08,440
Speaker 6: they weren't happy. And when they stopped doing it, the

2522
01:58:08,560 --> 01:58:10,680
Speaker 6: music kept going. It was the same music. It's still

2523
01:58:10,680 --> 01:58:13,600
Speaker 6: the same music right now. And I'm like, why are

2524
01:58:13,680 --> 01:58:16,440
Speaker 6: y'all letting go, y'all ship It's like, man, it ain't

2525
01:58:16,440 --> 01:58:17,240
Speaker 6: blowing up like you.

2526
01:58:17,720 --> 01:58:17,920
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2527
01:58:18,440 --> 01:58:20,240
Speaker 1: I felt like they gave up too early on the

2528
01:58:20,320 --> 01:58:22,760
Speaker 1: joint exactly. It's almost like it was their Neil soul,

2529
01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:25,120
Speaker 1: Like they gave it a two year run and just

2530
01:58:25,320 --> 01:58:25,840
Speaker 1: like and.

2531
01:58:25,880 --> 01:58:28,320
Speaker 8: You know, you know who picked it up right lest

2532
01:58:28,400 --> 01:58:32,960
Speaker 8: it on the meat. Yeah, got that tempo.

2533
01:58:33,480 --> 01:58:37,320
Speaker 6: All his early beats was like straight Bay influenced Tiger

2534
01:58:37,400 --> 01:58:40,960
Speaker 6: came out on that bas sound right, Yeah it was.

2535
01:58:41,080 --> 01:58:44,080
Speaker 3: It was oh yeah, yeah.

2536
01:58:45,680 --> 01:58:49,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, because mostly it was more to tempo for it

2537
01:58:49,360 --> 01:58:52,280
Speaker 1: because like, just for me personally, I liked my hip

2538
01:58:52,320 --> 01:58:59,120
Speaker 1: hop somewhere between ninety one ten bpms just a little bit,

2539
01:58:59,160 --> 01:58:59,640
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.

2540
01:59:00,040 --> 01:59:01,840
Speaker 8: He was one of ten.

2541
01:59:02,000 --> 01:59:02,240
Speaker 1: I know.

2542
01:59:02,400 --> 01:59:07,200
Speaker 8: It's like great energy. Wow, it's still it's still alive.

2543
01:59:07,240 --> 01:59:09,040
Speaker 8: It's just it's just it's just not named that anymore.

2544
01:59:09,040 --> 01:59:09,640
Speaker 8: It's still alive.

2545
01:59:10,120 --> 01:59:12,520
Speaker 6: They still do the same exact dances, they still act

2546
01:59:12,520 --> 01:59:15,400
Speaker 6: the same guy. Damn way, it just don't call it Hyvey.

2547
01:59:16,000 --> 01:59:18,640
Speaker 3: Did you ever have any do any work or have

2548
01:59:18,800 --> 01:59:21,680
Speaker 3: any any kind of deals with JT the Bigger Figure?

2549
01:59:22,080 --> 01:59:24,200
Speaker 6: Well, me and j T we like minded, so you know,

2550
01:59:24,320 --> 01:59:27,040
Speaker 6: we we don't we don't do agreements together and ship

2551
01:59:27,120 --> 01:59:29,520
Speaker 6: and we work together and we uh you know, he's

2552
01:59:29,560 --> 01:59:31,480
Speaker 6: family like you talk to guys like Snooper Ship. We

2553
01:59:31,480 --> 01:59:33,640
Speaker 6: love j T mancause JT can make something out of

2554
01:59:33,720 --> 01:59:36,440
Speaker 6: nothing in a minute. He uh, he never comes with

2555
01:59:36,520 --> 01:59:40,080
Speaker 6: his hand out. And the last time I last time

2556
01:59:40,120 --> 01:59:45,440
Speaker 6: I heard the fig he was in Africa. He was

2557
01:59:45,560 --> 01:59:48,800
Speaker 6: in Africa buying up property or some ship. He put

2558
01:59:48,880 --> 01:59:54,400
Speaker 6: something out real yes for this is recently too. Then

2559
01:59:54,440 --> 01:59:55,920
Speaker 6: I heard it got shot in Atlanta. That's the last

2560
01:59:55,920 --> 01:59:56,200
Speaker 6: thing I heard.

2561
01:59:56,240 --> 01:59:56,520
Speaker 1: I don't know.

2562
01:59:59,520 --> 01:59:59,960
Speaker 3: He's the one.

2563
02:00:00,120 --> 02:00:01,760
Speaker 6: When the game came out, he's like, oh, I got

2564
02:00:02,240 --> 02:00:06,880
Speaker 6: albums on the game, like yeah, figures, He's just He's just.

2565
02:00:07,960 --> 02:00:11,920
Speaker 1: Who like who I mean? And now he asking journalists question,

2566
02:00:12,560 --> 02:00:15,520
Speaker 1: who do you still listen to? Like okay for for

2567
02:00:15,680 --> 02:00:17,840
Speaker 1: you even if it's ould shit whatever, like what is

2568
02:00:18,000 --> 02:00:21,240
Speaker 1: just your go to? You in the car are you driving?

2569
02:00:21,320 --> 02:00:25,440
Speaker 1: Like what what's what's in your well? I'm I'm I'm

2570
02:00:25,480 --> 02:00:26,160
Speaker 1: about the funk.

2571
02:00:26,480 --> 02:00:29,880
Speaker 6: I was a I'm officially no doubt about it, one

2572
02:00:29,920 --> 02:00:32,200
Speaker 6: of the clones of doctor Fungustein And then when they

2573
02:00:32,360 --> 02:00:34,880
Speaker 6: were cloning him, I'm one of those and.

2574
02:00:36,680 --> 02:00:37,440
Speaker 8: I hear the funk.

2575
02:00:37,520 --> 02:00:37,920
Speaker 3: I hear it.

2576
02:00:38,280 --> 02:00:40,360
Speaker 6: The funk is and the drums is in basslines, just

2577
02:00:40,480 --> 02:00:44,640
Speaker 6: in rap cadences, and the way people sing is it's it's,

2578
02:00:44,840 --> 02:00:45,280
Speaker 6: it's there.

2579
02:00:45,760 --> 02:00:47,520
Speaker 8: It's in pop music, you know, the funk is there.

2580
02:00:48,000 --> 02:00:51,360
Speaker 6: So I love a lot of that new funky ship

2581
02:00:51,480 --> 02:00:54,360
Speaker 6: that Mike will produce type ship that fucking you know,

2582
02:00:55,200 --> 02:00:57,720
Speaker 6: even if it's fucking uh, what's my man?

2583
02:00:57,760 --> 02:00:58,720
Speaker 8: Who's been killing him lately?

2584
02:00:58,800 --> 02:01:00,720
Speaker 6: Metro boom and he got this the funk like you

2585
02:01:00,840 --> 02:01:03,400
Speaker 6: hear that little funky The Migos as funky as fuck,

2586
02:01:03,880 --> 02:01:06,080
Speaker 6: like the way they work the auto tune. They bring

2587
02:01:06,160 --> 02:01:08,400
Speaker 6: the funk to a song that wasn't even funky. And

2588
02:01:08,480 --> 02:01:12,760
Speaker 6: I think that's another thing that autotune was misinterpreted about,

2589
02:01:12,920 --> 02:01:16,720
Speaker 6: was that it wasn't so much as how skillful is

2590
02:01:16,800 --> 02:01:20,680
Speaker 6: the person working it. It just they got these beats

2591
02:01:20,720 --> 02:01:22,720
Speaker 6: that they do that aren't very melodic. But then if

2592
02:01:22,720 --> 02:01:24,520
Speaker 6: you listen to it, and why it's so catchy. It's

2593
02:01:24,560 --> 02:01:26,560
Speaker 6: that little melody that they're dealing with the auto tune.

2594
02:01:26,600 --> 02:01:28,920
Speaker 6: No matter how stupid what they're saying could be. Shit,

2595
02:01:29,080 --> 02:01:31,880
Speaker 6: just it feels good, and shit feels good. It's a

2596
02:01:31,920 --> 02:01:32,440
Speaker 6: good vible.

2597
02:01:32,880 --> 02:01:36,760
Speaker 3: And what was I saying?

2598
02:01:36,840 --> 02:01:38,200
Speaker 8: Because I smoke a lot of wead of the.

2599
02:01:40,760 --> 02:01:41,000
Speaker 3: Funk.

2600
02:01:41,960 --> 02:01:45,400
Speaker 6: So what I'm listening to now is I'm just the funk.

2601
02:01:45,440 --> 02:01:48,840
Speaker 6: I'm so prejudiced against all other music. Like I love

2602
02:01:48,920 --> 02:01:51,960
Speaker 6: the blues, the funky blues, I don't like all blues.

2603
02:01:52,240 --> 02:01:54,280
Speaker 6: I love jazz when it got the funking. I just

2604
02:01:54,440 --> 02:01:57,680
Speaker 6: I'm just that guy who. But I feel like I

2605
02:01:57,880 --> 02:02:01,040
Speaker 6: was so safe of me, so sad to have a

2606
02:02:01,120 --> 02:02:04,280
Speaker 6: career and say if it ain't funky, we can't it

2607
02:02:04,360 --> 02:02:05,280
Speaker 6: can't leave it, can't.

2608
02:02:05,200 --> 02:02:05,760
Speaker 8: Leave out this room.

2609
02:02:05,800 --> 02:02:07,720
Speaker 6: It's gotta be funky. I was in the studio with

2610
02:02:07,800 --> 02:02:10,560
Speaker 6: Puffy in the early days and he walked in the studio.

2611
02:02:10,840 --> 02:02:13,560
Speaker 6: I was in there, a whole bunch of motherfuckers in there.

2612
02:02:13,800 --> 02:02:15,960
Speaker 6: It was smoking, it was drinking, everybody's having a good

2613
02:02:15,960 --> 02:02:18,360
Speaker 6: time enjoying the song that was on. Puff walked in

2614
02:02:18,440 --> 02:02:21,760
Speaker 6: and said, I can't dance this ship. Scrapped, threw it off,

2615
02:02:22,440 --> 02:02:24,800
Speaker 6: killed the whole session. It was old reason I can't

2616
02:02:24,840 --> 02:02:26,760
Speaker 6: dance to that ship, and it was it ain't bad boy.

2617
02:02:26,840 --> 02:02:29,040
Speaker 3: So how did the world is Fueled come about? Because

2618
02:02:29,040 --> 02:02:31,040
Speaker 3: I love that song, but it's not danceable, but I

2619
02:02:31,120 --> 02:02:35,480
Speaker 3: mean is a jam. It's a slow nice I mean,

2620
02:02:35,720 --> 02:02:37,800
Speaker 3: I'm thinking like Puffy dancing with the fucking.

2621
02:02:39,560 --> 02:02:41,960
Speaker 6: I can tell you why I didn't get chopped off,

2622
02:02:42,000 --> 02:02:44,600
Speaker 6: the kicked off, the chopping block, whatever I'm trying to say. Okay,

2623
02:02:44,920 --> 02:02:47,480
Speaker 6: I can tell you why, because the beat had been made,

2624
02:02:48,360 --> 02:02:50,160
Speaker 6: the hook was on there. The hook is Carl Thomas,

2625
02:02:50,680 --> 02:02:54,800
Speaker 6: and Puffy's verse was already on there. He's on the

2626
02:02:54,880 --> 02:02:57,160
Speaker 6: first verse. So when me and Big went to the

2627
02:02:57,200 --> 02:02:59,320
Speaker 6: studio we did our versus the same day, it was

2628
02:02:59,440 --> 02:03:01,960
Speaker 6: already beat hook, Puffy's verse.

2629
02:03:02,040 --> 02:03:03,880
Speaker 5: Already, he could already dance to it, so he was cool,

2630
02:03:05,320 --> 02:03:05,560
Speaker 5: so he.

2631
02:03:05,600 --> 02:03:06,080
Speaker 3: Set it off.

2632
02:03:06,080 --> 02:03:09,960
Speaker 6: So that's why he probably he probably conceived the concept

2633
02:03:10,040 --> 02:03:12,520
Speaker 6: of the song and you know, the world pencil House

2634
02:03:12,520 --> 02:03:12,800
Speaker 6: and all that.

2635
02:03:12,880 --> 02:03:15,880
Speaker 3: But yeah, I don't know, like I used that was

2636
02:03:15,920 --> 02:03:17,640
Speaker 3: a song I used to always play on the album

2637
02:03:17,840 --> 02:03:20,160
Speaker 3: because I don't know. If you notice, at the end

2638
02:03:20,200 --> 02:03:23,400
Speaker 3: of the song you say bitch, crazy ass man, bitch,

2639
02:03:25,200 --> 02:03:26,520
Speaker 3: and it starts right back over.

2640
02:03:26,560 --> 02:03:28,720
Speaker 1: If you put this song on repeat, it starts right

2641
02:03:28,760 --> 02:03:33,480
Speaker 1: back and rhythm is amazing, all right, which leads to

2642
02:03:33,680 --> 02:03:40,920
Speaker 1: my last question, Sure, Dunk, what is your favorite no, no, no,

2643
02:03:43,040 --> 02:03:50,360
Speaker 1: you have revolutionized the word bitch? Would not you make

2644
02:03:50,480 --> 02:03:52,760
Speaker 1: saying the word bitch the funnest thing on earth? I

2645
02:03:52,800 --> 02:03:56,280
Speaker 1: mean to the point where, like you know, even with

2646
02:03:57,560 --> 02:04:00,280
Speaker 1: Chappelle taking it to the next levels and all that

2647
02:04:01,440 --> 02:04:04,640
Speaker 1: he was and beyond. Yeah, I mean you, like, how

2648
02:04:04,680 --> 02:04:08,840
Speaker 1: did you feel when people started taking your inflections? I mean, yes,

2649
02:04:08,920 --> 02:04:10,960
Speaker 1: I know that you know E forty can claim all

2650
02:04:11,000 --> 02:04:12,800
Speaker 1: this language or whatever, but it's like you.

2651
02:04:15,040 --> 02:04:16,200
Speaker 3: Bach is like.

2652
02:04:17,720 --> 02:04:21,360
Speaker 6: It was exclusively uh, something that was only said by

2653
02:04:21,600 --> 02:04:22,800
Speaker 6: myself and Freddy B.

2654
02:04:23,400 --> 02:04:25,560
Speaker 1: Freddy did you feel some way like once you heard

2655
02:04:25,640 --> 02:04:28,680
Speaker 1: death throwing those guys like taking and I.

2656
02:04:28,800 --> 02:04:32,960
Speaker 6: Tell you, Freddy B went to jail, My career blows up.

2657
02:04:33,040 --> 02:04:35,720
Speaker 6: He kind of didn't get to have the glory.

2658
02:04:35,960 --> 02:04:36,120
Speaker 1: Yeah.

2659
02:04:36,680 --> 02:04:38,960
Speaker 3: And I carried it on and.

2660
02:04:41,120 --> 02:04:44,560
Speaker 6: The first person I heard say it was uh, ice

2661
02:04:44,640 --> 02:04:47,040
Speaker 6: Cube said it on A bitch's a bitch at the

2662
02:04:47,160 --> 02:04:49,920
Speaker 6: end he goes bers And then and then a MG

2663
02:04:50,120 --> 02:04:54,800
Speaker 6: sampled it, well, DJ quick sample, that's the same thing.

2664
02:04:55,160 --> 02:04:58,240
Speaker 6: And that that opened up the like curiosity like, well

2665
02:04:58,320 --> 02:05:01,240
Speaker 6: maybe I can use the of it because you know,

2666
02:05:01,360 --> 02:05:05,280
Speaker 6: it just slid by. And then I had a friend

2667
02:05:05,360 --> 02:05:07,240
Speaker 6: of mine who we were in the bathroom smoking some

2668
02:05:07,320 --> 02:05:09,680
Speaker 6: weed at a party one night and with a dog

2669
02:05:09,760 --> 02:05:11,440
Speaker 6: pound we there smoking with Dazz and Crup and Stop

2670
02:05:11,480 --> 02:05:12,960
Speaker 6: were smoking at my Humby was like, man.

2671
02:05:13,440 --> 02:05:15,960
Speaker 8: I just got to ask, man, what made y'all say bitch?

2672
02:05:16,040 --> 02:05:16,600
Speaker 3: Like too Short?

2673
02:05:16,920 --> 02:05:20,040
Speaker 8: And Snoop told the story. He said, he said in

2674
02:05:20,120 --> 02:05:20,520
Speaker 8: front of you.

2675
02:05:20,840 --> 02:05:23,080
Speaker 6: Yeah, he said, when I first time I got in

2676
02:05:23,160 --> 02:05:26,640
Speaker 6: the studio and they just put me in there, he

2677
02:05:26,840 --> 02:05:28,200
Speaker 6: was like, man, we grew up on two shows. We

2678
02:05:28,200 --> 02:05:30,480
Speaker 6: grew up listening too Shorts. Like, first time I got

2679
02:05:30,480 --> 02:05:31,600
Speaker 6: in the studio, they turned the mic on.

2680
02:05:31,680 --> 02:05:32,640
Speaker 3: I just said bitch.

2681
02:05:35,640 --> 02:05:39,520
Speaker 6: When he said that, I mean, there's no anger, there's

2682
02:05:39,560 --> 02:05:44,760
Speaker 6: no there's no bad vibe. So basically I look at.

2683
02:05:44,760 --> 02:05:45,200
Speaker 3: It like this.

2684
02:05:47,040 --> 02:05:52,680
Speaker 8: Cube opened the floodgates death ro They they kind of

2685
02:05:52,760 --> 02:05:54,040
Speaker 8: gave it to the world.

2686
02:05:54,280 --> 02:05:56,600
Speaker 1: They did, because for a seconds I really thought it

2687
02:05:56,720 --> 02:05:56,960
Speaker 1: was there.

2688
02:05:57,080 --> 02:05:59,040
Speaker 8: So they gave it to the world.

2689
02:05:59,280 --> 02:06:01,560
Speaker 6: And then when I I heard an argument one day

2690
02:06:02,360 --> 02:06:07,640
Speaker 6: that too Short got bitch from Snoop what That's why

2691
02:06:07,720 --> 02:06:08,600
Speaker 6: I wrote blow to Ustle.

2692
02:06:08,640 --> 02:06:10,880
Speaker 8: The way I wrote it, it was almost like just

2693
02:06:11,000 --> 02:06:12,240
Speaker 8: the taking back of it.

2694
02:06:12,880 --> 02:06:16,680
Speaker 6: I was saying some things that nobody could dispute as

2695
02:06:16,720 --> 02:06:18,720
Speaker 6: far as the numbers, like the whole first verse is

2696
02:06:18,800 --> 02:06:21,520
Speaker 6: mathema is mathematics. And I'm like, when I just say

2697
02:06:21,600 --> 02:06:23,600
Speaker 6: I've been rapping for two hundred twenty five thousand hours,

2698
02:06:23,640 --> 02:06:27,680
Speaker 6: that was ten years ago, and anybody who would stopped

2699
02:06:27,760 --> 02:06:30,480
Speaker 6: and put that on a calculator and could even figure

2700
02:06:30,520 --> 02:06:33,200
Speaker 6: out how to would realize that average is about twenty

2701
02:06:33,280 --> 02:06:35,000
Speaker 6: years somewhere in there. And I was just like, I've

2702
02:06:35,040 --> 02:06:37,480
Speaker 6: been rapping longer than you, motherfuckers. I've been rapping more

2703
02:06:37,640 --> 02:06:40,080
Speaker 6: and just talking shit. And then I put the what's

2704
02:06:40,120 --> 02:06:41,600
Speaker 6: my favorite word in there, the bitch, And I'm like,

2705
02:06:41,680 --> 02:06:44,600
Speaker 6: I'm just I'm reclaiming ownership of my shit. I'm like,

2706
02:06:44,720 --> 02:06:47,560
Speaker 6: I leased it out when all around the world everybody

2707
02:06:47,600 --> 02:06:50,160
Speaker 6: gets to say it, it's my gift to pop cultuler,

2708
02:06:50,240 --> 02:06:55,080
Speaker 6: but it's mine and we know it now. So if

2709
02:06:55,120 --> 02:06:57,480
Speaker 6: you notice, I love Snoop to death, hang out with

2710
02:06:57,520 --> 02:06:59,200
Speaker 6: him a lot, But if you notice, you don't say

2711
02:06:59,240 --> 02:06:59,920
Speaker 6: it that much anymore.

2712
02:07:00,040 --> 02:07:09,360
Speaker 1: Right, Well, sure do we cover everything I think we got?

2713
02:07:09,720 --> 02:07:12,400
Speaker 1: I'm trying to sure there's not an obscure, beastie. I

2714
02:07:12,480 --> 02:07:14,720
Speaker 1: know we're going to be like, why did we ask

2715
02:07:15,080 --> 02:07:15,960
Speaker 1: I got no movies?

2716
02:07:16,040 --> 02:07:18,000
Speaker 3: Right? Yeah, oh, well, you know he was a mini

2717
02:07:19,280 --> 02:07:21,720
Speaker 3: cooking the ribs. You really know how to grill?

2718
02:07:21,920 --> 02:07:24,920
Speaker 6: Really, no, And if you go back and look at

2719
02:07:24,920 --> 02:07:28,880
Speaker 6: in society, them fucking ribs was burnt. I did say

2720
02:07:28,960 --> 02:07:32,640
Speaker 6: so many cooking out that I'm the only motherfucker in

2721
02:07:33,000 --> 02:07:34,920
Speaker 6: Minn society. I'm the only mother fucking that. That pointed

2722
02:07:34,960 --> 02:07:37,400
Speaker 6: again that old dog. Old Dog was a savage, and

2723
02:07:37,520 --> 02:07:39,120
Speaker 6: they gave me the role where I got to put

2724
02:07:39,160 --> 02:07:39,680
Speaker 6: the shotgun on.

2725
02:07:39,800 --> 02:07:39,960
Speaker 11: Yeah.

2726
02:07:40,040 --> 02:07:43,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, And you know back then that was like folklore,

2727
02:07:43,840 --> 02:07:45,720
Speaker 8: like like people thought old Dog was real.

2728
02:07:48,200 --> 02:07:48,640
Speaker 3: Somebody.

2729
02:07:49,520 --> 02:07:51,840
Speaker 8: You're right, he was the hummy. But you know, fifty

2730
02:07:51,880 --> 02:07:52,480
Speaker 8: one years old.

2731
02:07:53,640 --> 02:07:58,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was gonna say, yo, you you are no

2732
02:07:58,560 --> 02:08:00,840
Speaker 1: way going to convince me that you're fifty one years

2733
02:08:00,880 --> 02:08:01,400
Speaker 1: old right.

2734
02:08:01,320 --> 02:08:03,600
Speaker 5: Now, because and you ain't tired. You ain't tired of

2735
02:08:03,680 --> 02:08:04,000
Speaker 5: the party.

2736
02:08:04,080 --> 02:08:06,840
Speaker 1: But I mean not the last two nights, all know.

2737
02:08:06,920 --> 02:08:09,120
Speaker 8: I mean it's a lifestyle, I know, but.

2738
02:08:09,160 --> 02:08:12,080
Speaker 5: This is amazing to me. I take naps, okay, thank you,

2739
02:08:12,320 --> 02:08:15,200
Speaker 5: thank you for keeping it real. Thank you you say vitamin.

2740
02:08:15,000 --> 02:08:16,680
Speaker 1: Suit or is that just yeah?

2741
02:08:16,960 --> 02:08:17,400
Speaker 3: I do all?

2742
02:08:17,400 --> 02:08:20,080
Speaker 1: I guess Okay, you listen, we want to be like

2743
02:08:20,400 --> 02:08:21,000
Speaker 1: semi healthy.

2744
02:08:21,040 --> 02:08:23,560
Speaker 6: But you know, I'm fifty one years old, and I

2745
02:08:23,680 --> 02:08:26,080
Speaker 6: got a lot of new music coming out, and I

2746
02:08:26,240 --> 02:08:29,879
Speaker 6: just I feel like I'm not making records to compete

2747
02:08:30,320 --> 02:08:35,200
Speaker 6: in hip hop. I'm making records to compete with the

2748
02:08:36,000 --> 02:08:40,400
Speaker 6: definition of hip hop. People keep as as old as

2749
02:08:40,400 --> 02:08:42,960
Speaker 6: I keep getting. They keep saying that number, like, man,

2750
02:08:43,000 --> 02:08:45,280
Speaker 6: you can't wrap when you're thirty. Then I turned forty,

2751
02:08:45,280 --> 02:08:47,400
Speaker 6: They're like, man, forty old ast rapper. Like it's like,

2752
02:08:47,640 --> 02:08:49,560
Speaker 6: my age is the age they keep saying it's too old.

2753
02:08:49,880 --> 02:08:51,839
Speaker 6: So I'm like, I'm going to do this shit.

2754
02:08:52,160 --> 02:08:52,760
Speaker 1: Barrier this year.

2755
02:08:52,840 --> 02:08:55,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, yeah, you might be the oldest in

2756
02:08:55,880 --> 02:08:58,760
Speaker 3: terms of like the competition to me right now is

2757
02:08:59,160 --> 02:09:01,120
Speaker 3: I want to know and I want to be in

2758
02:09:01,200 --> 02:09:04,440
Speaker 3: the race of who's going to be the oldest rapper

2759
02:09:05,200 --> 02:09:07,200
Speaker 3: to make a relevant hit record.

2760
02:09:07,520 --> 02:09:10,400
Speaker 6: Oh it's hard and not be like this Nigga sixty

2761
02:09:10,440 --> 02:09:12,560
Speaker 6: two and they not be like, oh, that's old ass Johnny,

2762
02:09:12,680 --> 02:09:14,200
Speaker 6: Like no, like like that's my ship, Like.

2763
02:09:14,160 --> 02:09:15,680
Speaker 8: Who's gonna be relevant?

2764
02:09:15,720 --> 02:09:18,360
Speaker 5: I mean that's relevant though, like because.

2765
02:09:18,160 --> 02:09:20,680
Speaker 1: I'm like four four four, But it can happen. It

2766
02:09:20,720 --> 02:09:24,280
Speaker 1: can happen. I feel like I feel like it definitely

2767
02:09:24,320 --> 02:09:27,800
Speaker 1: happened with him. Because you're again it's he's going proven

2768
02:09:27,880 --> 02:09:32,920
Speaker 1: formuly its flat footed tuxedo jeans and T shirt style

2769
02:09:33,040 --> 02:09:36,160
Speaker 1: will never ever go out of style. You know what

2770
02:09:36,200 --> 02:09:39,400
Speaker 1: I mean? It will never ever go on stop. Thank

2771
02:09:39,440 --> 02:09:42,880
Speaker 1: you too short for coming on Quest Love Supreme. Yes, sorry,

2772
02:09:46,080 --> 02:09:49,640
Speaker 1: we ain't done reflections in a minute. So Fran, take

2773
02:09:49,680 --> 02:09:51,480
Speaker 1: a look. What did you What did you learn to day?

2774
02:09:51,640 --> 02:09:54,120
Speaker 3: I learned that pool Man was a totally different guy

2775
02:09:54,160 --> 02:09:57,320
Speaker 3: from straight up and we even made it.

2776
02:09:57,440 --> 02:10:00,920
Speaker 6: We made a dis record about him called getting Away Fitting.

2777
02:10:00,960 --> 02:10:04,280
Speaker 6: It's on the hours on Really we ripped his ass

2778
02:10:04,320 --> 02:10:06,320
Speaker 6: because he went and made a record and talked about

2779
02:10:06,320 --> 02:10:07,200
Speaker 6: a few of us on a record.

2780
02:10:07,280 --> 02:10:10,440
Speaker 1: So we did you not get him on job records?

2781
02:10:10,480 --> 02:10:10,840
Speaker 1: Like did you?

2782
02:10:11,040 --> 02:10:12,080
Speaker 8: I got him to deal personally.

2783
02:10:12,320 --> 02:10:14,360
Speaker 1: I was going to say, like these are cats on job.

2784
02:10:14,920 --> 02:10:17,880
Speaker 6: He has a somewhat success and comes to us after

2785
02:10:17,960 --> 02:10:20,920
Speaker 6: one album, goes man, I think I'm want to get

2786
02:10:20,960 --> 02:10:21,480
Speaker 6: off the label.

2787
02:10:23,040 --> 02:10:27,000
Speaker 3: We're just like, okay, damn, you're off here.

2788
02:10:27,720 --> 02:10:31,960
Speaker 5: Okay, So two things I learned. Number one about your

2789
02:10:32,000 --> 02:10:35,560
Speaker 5: parents being accountants. That's banging and being together. That just

2790
02:10:35,600 --> 02:10:38,800
Speaker 5: says a lot about a man. Period. Oh have you

2791
02:10:38,880 --> 02:10:39,640
Speaker 5: been married before?

2792
02:10:40,520 --> 02:10:40,920
Speaker 1: No wife?

2793
02:10:40,960 --> 02:10:41,360
Speaker 3: No kids.

2794
02:10:41,960 --> 02:10:44,400
Speaker 1: No, that's why. Yeah, that's.

2795
02:10:45,960 --> 02:10:46,440
Speaker 5: Hold up.

2796
02:10:46,560 --> 02:10:47,839
Speaker 1: No, No, it's a lifestyle.

2797
02:10:48,120 --> 02:10:51,200
Speaker 6: But sty, I do have somebody that keeps putting on

2798
02:10:51,240 --> 02:10:53,080
Speaker 6: Wikipedia that I have a wife and kids, but I don't.

2799
02:10:53,120 --> 02:10:55,560
Speaker 5: You have any kids. And I got something that I

2800
02:10:55,640 --> 02:10:56,720
Speaker 5: want to learn. You said you got a lot of

2801
02:10:56,720 --> 02:10:58,160
Speaker 5: stuff coming down the pike, and I know you've been

2802
02:10:58,200 --> 02:11:00,320
Speaker 5: doing like some interesting other kind of stuff. Can you

2803
02:11:00,440 --> 02:11:02,480
Speaker 5: just give us a little tat which.

2804
02:11:02,280 --> 02:11:03,400
Speaker 3: I wrote a book.

2805
02:11:04,280 --> 02:11:08,960
Speaker 6: I got a thirtieth anniversary documentary dropping just just highlighting

2806
02:11:09,000 --> 02:11:11,480
Speaker 6: the thirty year career. I got an album coming out

2807
02:11:11,600 --> 02:11:15,040
Speaker 6: called the Pimp Tape, and it is exactly what it says.

2808
02:11:15,120 --> 02:11:18,560
Speaker 6: It's a pimp tape. And then uh, preceding the Pimp

2809
02:11:18,600 --> 02:11:21,080
Speaker 6: Tape will be a mixtape called Hella disrespectful.

2810
02:11:24,600 --> 02:11:28,080
Speaker 1: We're talking to Mark right now. You feel like we're

2811
02:11:28,120 --> 02:11:29,000
Speaker 1: talking to Mark right now.

2812
02:11:29,400 --> 02:11:31,400
Speaker 3: Of all the of all the years of like stuff

2813
02:11:31,440 --> 02:11:33,520
Speaker 3: that you've done, and like all the ladies and everything,

2814
02:11:33,560 --> 02:11:35,880
Speaker 3: like how do you escape kids? How you make it

2815
02:11:36,000 --> 02:11:37,040
Speaker 3: by easy?

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02:11:37,480 --> 02:11:40,960
Speaker 6: Little John said it in from the Window to the Wall.

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02:11:41,880 --> 02:11:46,080
Speaker 6: He said, I sk skap, not every.

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02:11:46,000 --> 02:11:48,040
Speaker 5: Time everybody make a mistake and get lost up in

2819
02:11:48,160 --> 02:11:49,240
Speaker 5: sometime I've.

2820
02:11:49,120 --> 02:11:50,960
Speaker 6: Been a skeater from day one. You know, see the

2821
02:11:51,000 --> 02:11:53,720
Speaker 6: strap up. We're aiming at something.

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02:11:54,640 --> 02:12:00,360
Speaker 5: Well, look, all I asked you read your do your

2823
02:12:00,400 --> 02:12:02,720
Speaker 5: own audiobook. That's what I ask you for the people

2824
02:12:02,840 --> 02:12:04,200
Speaker 5: do your own audio audio.

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02:12:04,480 --> 02:12:07,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be please, Steve Sugar.

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02:12:07,920 --> 02:12:11,640
Speaker 7: Steve you learn I learned the entire history of Oakland

2827
02:12:12,360 --> 02:12:15,440
Speaker 7: hip hop, and from the beginning it sounds like you

2828
02:12:15,520 --> 02:12:17,080
Speaker 7: could have been in the studio with me and you.

2829
02:12:17,120 --> 02:12:20,920
Speaker 3: Are essentially the same age. Awesome, married, unmarried, no.

2830
02:12:21,000 --> 02:12:30,040
Speaker 5: Kids, he's never been married, what I do, and in.

2831
02:12:30,320 --> 02:12:33,600
Speaker 7: Atlanta, and a whole bunch of stuff I didn't know,

2832
02:12:33,680 --> 02:12:36,320
Speaker 7: but I like. I like your bounce as a person.

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02:12:36,360 --> 02:12:38,720
Speaker 7: I don't know if that sounds weird, but you you

2834
02:12:39,320 --> 02:12:43,280
Speaker 7: seem like you know the right percentages of things I've never.

2835
02:12:43,200 --> 02:12:46,320
Speaker 8: Been in love with. Famous like that. I'm the first

2836
02:12:46,360 --> 02:12:49,360
Speaker 8: person you walk up to say are you too short?

2837
02:12:49,440 --> 02:12:54,080
Speaker 3: I'm like, I look like that's you.

2838
02:12:58,680 --> 02:13:02,520
Speaker 1: Man invest in Vegas. Hey, that's been going on for

2839
02:13:02,560 --> 02:13:04,800
Speaker 1: a long I mean, take your Hamilton money man. Yeah,

2840
02:13:05,080 --> 02:13:05,520
Speaker 1: yeah all that.

2841
02:13:09,680 --> 02:13:14,640
Speaker 8: By the way, my book was written completely in jail.

2842
02:13:16,440 --> 02:13:21,600
Speaker 3: Oh are some questions we didn't you were in jail.

2843
02:13:21,760 --> 02:13:23,720
Speaker 8: Twenty fifteen June and July.

2844
02:13:23,960 --> 02:13:27,320
Speaker 6: I went to court on June fifteenth to go show

2845
02:13:27,400 --> 02:13:29,400
Speaker 6: him the proof of my community service for a DUI

2846
02:13:29,400 --> 02:13:33,080
Speaker 6: I got, and the prosecutor lady bullied me and she

2847
02:13:33,280 --> 02:13:35,720
Speaker 6: was like, if you fucking present that paper to the judge,

2848
02:13:35,880 --> 02:13:39,120
Speaker 6: I'm going to make sure that he knows that there's

2849
02:13:39,160 --> 02:13:42,240
Speaker 6: some false entries on there, and I'm gonna make sure

2850
02:13:42,240 --> 02:13:44,520
Speaker 6: you do it. You're in jail, and don't charge you

2851
02:13:44,560 --> 02:13:46,520
Speaker 6: with felonies and all kind of shit. So I had

2852
02:13:46,520 --> 02:13:48,080
Speaker 6: to go in there and lie to the judge and

2853
02:13:48,120 --> 02:13:51,120
Speaker 6: say I didn't have the paperwork, and the judges like,

2854
02:13:51,920 --> 02:13:54,120
Speaker 6: you lied to me and told me that you weren't

2855
02:13:54,280 --> 02:13:55,760
Speaker 6: that you were bringing this paper and you didn't bring it.

2856
02:13:56,120 --> 02:13:58,440
Speaker 6: And he asked the prosecutor what should we do with him?

2857
02:13:58,440 --> 02:14:00,440
Speaker 6: She said, give him thirty days. Do you know who

2858
02:14:00,480 --> 02:14:01,720
Speaker 6: he was the judge?

2859
02:14:01,840 --> 02:14:02,040
Speaker 1: Yeah?

2860
02:14:02,440 --> 02:14:02,480
Speaker 3: No?

2861
02:14:02,760 --> 02:14:03,960
Speaker 1: Or did the judge know who you were?

2862
02:14:04,160 --> 02:14:04,360
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2863
02:14:04,560 --> 02:14:06,880
Speaker 8: It was it was a high profile case. And he

2864
02:14:07,000 --> 02:14:09,400
Speaker 8: said she said thirty days.

2865
02:14:09,440 --> 02:14:11,800
Speaker 6: He said, well, I'm gonna give him ninety and then said,

2866
02:14:11,800 --> 02:14:15,360
Speaker 6: bailiff take him right now, and I can't do it.

2867
02:14:15,720 --> 02:14:18,880
Speaker 8: That's the fucked that he kept me in there five

2868
02:14:18,920 --> 02:14:20,000
Speaker 8: fucking weeks to the day.

2869
02:14:21,080 --> 02:14:23,400
Speaker 1: And so you just finished your book that way started

2870
02:14:23,440 --> 02:14:24,200
Speaker 1: and finished your book.

2871
02:14:24,280 --> 02:14:26,800
Speaker 6: Well, if jail was such so full of ship, with

2872
02:14:26,960 --> 02:14:29,320
Speaker 6: the fucking the ship that went on in there, like

2873
02:14:29,520 --> 02:14:32,320
Speaker 6: La County jail is like it's not humane at all,

2874
02:14:32,440 --> 02:14:34,320
Speaker 6: it's fucked up. So during the day it was so

2875
02:14:34,400 --> 02:14:36,920
Speaker 6: much bullshit going on that I would sleep all day

2876
02:14:37,640 --> 02:14:39,960
Speaker 6: and then I when they lights oute of night, I'd

2877
02:14:40,040 --> 02:14:42,240
Speaker 6: wake up and like write to like this little light,

2878
02:14:42,960 --> 02:14:44,880
Speaker 6: and I was just right all night. So I did

2879
02:14:45,040 --> 02:14:48,200
Speaker 6: my time away from everybody else, like I slept all

2880
02:14:48,240 --> 02:14:48,640
Speaker 6: day every day.

2881
02:14:48,640 --> 02:14:50,920
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you were remind I would have been mad.

2882
02:14:53,840 --> 02:14:55,440
Speaker 8: I was thinking about naming the books some ship I

2883
02:14:55,520 --> 02:14:55,880
Speaker 8: wrote in.

2884
02:14:55,920 --> 02:15:02,600
Speaker 3: Jail where like you got love in there was we

2885
02:15:02,960 --> 02:15:06,400
Speaker 3: know it was good. I was.

2886
02:15:06,560 --> 02:15:08,240
Speaker 8: I was man. I was in the high power section. Man.

2887
02:15:08,400 --> 02:15:09,240
Speaker 8: I was in the cell next.

2888
02:15:11,000 --> 02:15:11,640
Speaker 3: Yeah you can't.

2889
02:15:11,880 --> 02:15:13,480
Speaker 8: You couldn't come in contact any other prisons.

2890
02:15:13,480 --> 02:15:13,640
Speaker 3: I was.

2891
02:15:13,680 --> 02:15:14,880
Speaker 8: I was in the cell next to where they had

2892
02:15:14,920 --> 02:15:16,720
Speaker 8: Chris Brown, next where.

2893
02:15:16,520 --> 02:15:19,600
Speaker 5: They had like, So, what was the meals like in

2894
02:15:19,680 --> 02:15:21,040
Speaker 5: that section? I know it was a little.

2895
02:15:20,800 --> 02:15:22,680
Speaker 3: Different slice the garlic, real sin.

2896
02:15:26,720 --> 02:15:29,480
Speaker 6: If you're not a snacker, if you don't like snacks,

2897
02:15:29,480 --> 02:15:31,560
Speaker 6: because they you will not eat the meals.

2898
02:15:31,680 --> 02:15:32,040
Speaker 1: You will not.

2899
02:15:32,200 --> 02:15:34,520
Speaker 6: They asked some ship in their common series, some ship

2900
02:15:34,560 --> 02:15:37,720
Speaker 6: in there called cal Rains. Wait what and you couldn't.

2901
02:15:37,880 --> 02:15:40,160
Speaker 6: They had this one thing that they gave it to

2902
02:15:40,280 --> 02:15:42,080
Speaker 6: me and I was like, I'm cool, I don't want that.

2903
02:15:42,360 --> 02:15:43,640
Speaker 6: And I was like, but just curious.

2904
02:15:43,760 --> 02:15:47,000
Speaker 8: I was like, what is that? And the guard said

2905
02:15:47,040 --> 02:15:48,480
Speaker 8: it's ship. I was like no. I was like, no,

2906
02:15:48,640 --> 02:15:51,560
Speaker 8: for bro in the kitchen when they cooking it, what

2907
02:15:51,720 --> 02:15:53,120
Speaker 8: do they think they make it? What is it called?

2908
02:15:53,160 --> 02:15:53,720
Speaker 1: He said ship?

2909
02:15:56,360 --> 02:15:59,440
Speaker 5: No, that's sloppy Joe, right, they've started.

2910
02:15:59,440 --> 02:16:00,680
Speaker 3: They started purple spaghetti.

2911
02:16:02,520 --> 02:16:03,440
Speaker 5: Why would it be that color?

2912
02:16:04,320 --> 02:16:06,160
Speaker 8: You asked these questions, there are no answers.

2913
02:16:08,520 --> 02:16:09,600
Speaker 1: Purple spaghetti.

2914
02:16:09,960 --> 02:16:10,760
Speaker 8: La County ain't right?

2915
02:16:10,800 --> 02:16:10,920
Speaker 3: Man?

2916
02:16:11,480 --> 02:16:14,320
Speaker 1: Wait? Why did our episode just get lit in the last.

2917
02:16:16,160 --> 02:16:17,720
Speaker 3: No? I didn't know. I didn't know he was locked up.

2918
02:16:17,760 --> 02:16:18,200
Speaker 3: That's crazy.

2919
02:16:18,320 --> 02:16:20,400
Speaker 6: Five weeks. I wrote every night down there. Every night

2920
02:16:20,440 --> 02:16:22,720
Speaker 6: I wrote and that wrote. It's all in pencil. It's

2921
02:16:22,720 --> 02:16:24,640
Speaker 6: about three hundred pages and I don't know what the

2922
02:16:24,720 --> 02:16:25,880
Speaker 6: fund I haven't read it back yet.

2923
02:16:26,520 --> 02:16:29,360
Speaker 5: Wow, okay, has anybody read it?

2924
02:16:29,880 --> 02:16:31,400
Speaker 6: I let one peris of reading there was like, it's

2925
02:16:31,440 --> 02:16:34,040
Speaker 6: pretty good. I don't know, but they might be gassing

2926
02:16:34,120 --> 02:16:36,400
Speaker 6: my people. I don't but I just feel like I

2927
02:16:36,440 --> 02:16:38,000
Speaker 6: don't give a fuck this good or not. It's some

2928
02:16:38,080 --> 02:16:40,560
Speaker 6: ship I wrote in jail, and I might I might

2929
02:16:40,600 --> 02:16:43,680
Speaker 6: even release it in the handwritten in pencil. It's in pencil,

2930
02:16:43,680 --> 02:16:44,800
Speaker 6: because you can't have a pen in jail.

2931
02:16:45,240 --> 02:16:46,600
Speaker 1: Look, this is all I'm gonna say.

2932
02:16:49,000 --> 02:16:49,040
Speaker 10: This.

2933
02:16:49,680 --> 02:16:52,760
Speaker 1: This is all I'm gonna say as far as what

2934
02:16:52,920 --> 02:17:01,240
Speaker 1: you learned today that you really really should get an

2935
02:17:01,320 --> 02:17:08,480
Speaker 1: agent two for you to pitch to either Amazon or

2936
02:17:09,240 --> 02:17:14,360
Speaker 1: I can't even say that the N word Amazon. You really,

2937
02:17:14,480 --> 02:17:20,680
Speaker 1: I'm telling you there is an engaging, motherfucking story of

2938
02:17:20,879 --> 02:17:25,160
Speaker 1: your childhood hustling these tapes, and we.

2939
02:17:25,240 --> 02:17:26,440
Speaker 5: Hear Disney has a new platform.

2940
02:17:26,480 --> 02:17:28,680
Speaker 8: I do have a offer on the table to do

2941
02:17:28,760 --> 02:17:31,120
Speaker 8: a mini series, like like a three prime mini series.

2942
02:17:32,000 --> 02:17:35,920
Speaker 1: I feel I think there's youth streaming.

2943
02:17:37,040 --> 02:17:37,640
Speaker 3: Before the career.

2944
02:17:38,959 --> 02:17:41,760
Speaker 1: Well, thank you very much for coming on like Snowfall

2945
02:17:41,800 --> 02:17:48,120
Speaker 1: by the way to It's awesome, uh on behalf of

2946
02:17:49,120 --> 02:17:53,920
Speaker 1: Boss Bill, Unpaid Bill, Sugar, Steve take Aloa and the

2947
02:17:54,240 --> 02:17:57,960
Speaker 1: Light here and our guest today to be sure as

2948
02:17:57,959 --> 02:17:59,880
Speaker 1: giving a lad.

2949
02:18:00,080 --> 02:18:01,560
Speaker 5: But I'm something about the way you call me a

2950
02:18:01,600 --> 02:18:03,560
Speaker 5: fucking lady, sound old and I've got a birthday coming up.

2951
02:18:03,560 --> 02:18:04,040
Speaker 5: I don't like it.

2952
02:18:04,800 --> 02:18:05,040
Speaker 3: Thank you.

2953
02:18:05,400 --> 02:18:07,440
Speaker 1: We were born on the same day, so not in

2954
02:18:07,520 --> 02:18:12,080
Speaker 1: the same year and on the half of the Team Supreme. Y'all.

2955
02:18:12,160 --> 02:18:15,840
Speaker 1: This is Quest Love. See you next go around only

2956
02:18:15,920 --> 02:18:20,360
Speaker 1: one Pandora Thank You. Quest Love Supreme is a production

2957
02:18:20,520 --> 02:18:24,240
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2958
02:18:24,520 --> 02:18:31,959
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