1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:04,080 Speaker 1: I will not rest and I will not retire or 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: like feel good until I know how far I could go. 3 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,000 Speaker 1: That is, you know, the wood like stoking my fires. 4 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:11,879 Speaker 1: Just like we're not done yet. I don't feel like 5 00:00:11,920 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: we're anywhere close to done yet. 6 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:32,040 Speaker 2: Hey, hey, Emily, here, you are listening to episode three 7 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:35,440 Speaker 2: hundred and seventy of Hurdle a While this focus podcast 8 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,279 Speaker 2: where I talk to inspirational people about everything from their 9 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 2: highest ties and toughest moments to essential tips on how 10 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 2: to live a healthier, happier, more motivated life. We all 11 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:48,919 Speaker 2: go through our fair share of hurdles. My goal through 12 00:00:48,960 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 2: these discussions is to empower you to better navigate yours 13 00:00:52,200 --> 00:00:55,080 Speaker 2: and move with intention so that you can stride toward 14 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 2: your own big potential and of course, have some fun 15 00:00:59,400 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 2: along the way. For today's episode, I am chatting with 16 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:07,479 Speaker 2: Erica Kemp. She is a professional runner with Brooks. She's 17 00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 2: also the fastest American born black female marathon her What 18 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 2: a title. I had the opportunity to catch up with 19 00:01:18,480 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: Erica recently before she heads over to Tokyo to represent 20 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 2: the United States in the marathon at the World Athletics Championships. 21 00:01:29,400 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 2: For those of you that may not be familiar. These 22 00:01:31,360 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 2: are the World Champs or Track and Field is the 23 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:37,880 Speaker 2: pinnacle event, the event that everybody wants to tow the 24 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 2: starting line at an Erica is one of three women 25 00:01:42,360 --> 00:01:46,000 Speaker 2: that's going to be representing Team USA. Now, fun fact 26 00:01:46,080 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 2: about all three of these women is that they are 27 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 2: all Brooks athletes, which is kind of fun. And actually, 28 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 2: if you follow Hurdle over on social and I hope 29 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 2: that you do over at Hurdle Podcast, We're going to 30 00:01:57,800 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 2: be throwing out some information of about this starting lineup 31 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 2: over the next week, helping you to meet the women 32 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 2: that are showing up and showing out for Team USA 33 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:13,120 Speaker 2: at the World Champs. But back to Erica today, As always, 34 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 2: we get into Erica's backstory. We talk about when she 35 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,760 Speaker 2: found her love for the sport of running and how 36 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 2: it has evolved with time. We talk about the challenges 37 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 2: of being a professional runner, including finding the right coach 38 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 2: and making time for recovery amidst all of the miles. 39 00:02:31,240 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 2: Erica also opens up about her relationship and what it's 40 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,119 Speaker 2: like to finally be in the same time zone as 41 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,600 Speaker 2: her partner after doing a long distance for quite some time. 42 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 2: And then of course we talk about Tokyo. We talk 43 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: about what feels like for her to be representing her 44 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:49,919 Speaker 2: country out there at World champs and what success will 45 00:02:49,960 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 2: both look and feel like for her come September. Make 46 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 2: sure if you're not yet following along with Hurdle on 47 00:02:56,919 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 2: social you do so. Today it's over at Hurdle Podcast again. 48 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 2: I'm at Emily a Body and gotta give the love 49 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 2: weekly Hurdle newsletter every single Friday, directly in your inbox. 50 00:03:07,280 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 2: The link to subscribe is in the show notes. With that, 51 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:22,760 Speaker 2: let's get to it. Let's get to hurdling today. I 52 00:03:22,800 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 2: am sitting down with Eric Kemp. She is a Brooks athlete, 53 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 2: a marathoner for Team USA at the twenty twenty five 54 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:33,959 Speaker 2: World Championships. Welcome to Hurdle, Erica. 55 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 3: How are you doing good? Thanks for having me? 56 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 2: Oh my god, thanks for being here when in New York. 57 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:43,839 Speaker 2: Oh ways, we must get you into the studio. There's 58 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 2: a lot happening right now. So how are you doing? Really? 59 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:49,880 Speaker 2: I think I'm doing okay, okay. 60 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: I'm very grateful for this like break. We're kind of 61 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: getting in that heat wave because, like like you. 62 00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 3: Said, there's just been so much going on. 63 00:03:58,200 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 1: And then I also felt like we were hitting like 64 00:04:00,120 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: heat advisory after heat advisory and like the world is 65 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,800 Speaker 1: still on fire, but it was like literally on fire 66 00:04:06,920 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 1: for like six weeks. So I'm enjoying like just a 67 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: few days of. 68 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:11,839 Speaker 3: A reprieve right now. 69 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, to like refocus, settle down a little bit, 70 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: like calm the nervous system, and then it's like less 71 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:20,680 Speaker 1: than six weeks to go or the. 72 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,040 Speaker 2: Big day weeks to go. Oh my gosh. So this 73 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 2: episode will be coming out about I think two weeks 74 00:04:26,400 --> 00:04:30,280 Speaker 2: before you tow the starting line in Tokyo. When I 75 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:32,920 Speaker 2: say that to you before you toe the starting line 76 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 2: in Tokyo, like, is that surreal? 77 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 3: Yeah? 78 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: And I don't think it's going to feel real until 79 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:43,160 Speaker 1: we like get off the plane in Tokyo, like at 80 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:46,240 Speaker 1: you know, pre camp with my other books teammates and 81 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 1: we're all like in the team USA Nike kids and 82 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: like not wearing our books stuff, and it's to be like, oh, 83 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 1: we're like here here. 84 00:04:52,880 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been a really special few years for you. 85 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:57,119 Speaker 2: And that's where I want to start us off today 86 00:04:57,200 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 2: because I'm sure if you were to tell yourself even 87 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 2: I don't know eight years ago, that you'd be in 88 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 2: this position right now. I'm not entirely sure that you'd 89 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 2: believe it, would you. No, Yeah, So give us some 90 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 2: insight into how Erico was doing eight years ago. 91 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: Oh boy, I was in college. Yeah, which feels like 92 00:05:16,520 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: a lifetime ago, but also like yesterday. So that's like 93 00:05:19,360 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: very scary because where did. 94 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 3: The time go? 95 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean twenty seventeen, I was in college. I 96 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: was still like loving the five k. That was like 97 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: my favorite event. I only ran the ten k like 98 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 1: once a year, and it was like always good, but 99 00:05:31,960 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: I didn't love it. I didn't have this like passion 100 00:05:35,320 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: for a long distance running, but I didn't quite have 101 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: the turnover to be the mid distance runner of my dreams. 102 00:05:40,320 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: So I was like a five k girl, and like 103 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: kind of thought that would be my career. 104 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:46,280 Speaker 3: I didn't really. 105 00:05:46,040 --> 00:05:49,960 Speaker 1: Think that I would find the level of success I 106 00:05:50,000 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 1: had with the marathon, even though, like my coaches and 107 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: even like when I graduated, a lot of people around 108 00:05:55,120 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: me were like, we see a future for you in 109 00:05:56,800 --> 00:05:59,760 Speaker 1: the marathon. But when you've never done that before and 110 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: you didn't grow up with like a passion for distance 111 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: running or even like the desire to do that, You're 112 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:08,840 Speaker 1: like I mean, I hear you, but I don't know. 113 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 3: If it's in the cards for me. 114 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 1: And then I found really early success on the roads 115 00:06:13,680 --> 00:06:16,359 Speaker 1: in like twenty nineteen and twenty twenty one, winning like 116 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,160 Speaker 1: national titles in the fifteen K and then the twenty K, 117 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,239 Speaker 1: and you're like, maybe the long distance stuff isn't so bad. 118 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: And then also I'm kinda good at it, and just 119 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:29,679 Speaker 1: like building that confidence over the years. And then obviously 120 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 1: the big turning point for me was twenty twenty three 121 00:06:32,360 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: signing with Brooks, getting a new coach, And in my 122 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,800 Speaker 1: very first conversation with Kurt Benninger and Molly Huddle's husband 123 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,919 Speaker 1: who's now my coach, we were just talking about like goals, 124 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: and he's like, what do you think this next chapter 125 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:44,960 Speaker 1: of your career looks? 126 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:45,200 Speaker 3: Like? 127 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: Like what is like this marathon chapter for you? What 128 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 1: do you think you can do? And I really thought 129 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,600 Speaker 1: about it. I'm never I've never been great at those 130 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,760 Speaker 1: questions of like where do you see yourself in five years, 131 00:06:55,800 --> 00:06:58,000 Speaker 1: because I'm like, I don't know what I'm doing tomorrow, Like, 132 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: don't ask. But I told Kurt that I really thought 133 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 1: I could make teams in like the marathon. I was like, 134 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: I think I can win titles. I think I can 135 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: make these teams, Like I think I can compete with 136 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: the best in the marathon. And he was like, I 137 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: think so too, and like that's kind of where it started. 138 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:17,320 Speaker 1: And that was like eight weeks out from my marathon 139 00:07:17,360 --> 00:07:20,160 Speaker 1: debut in Boston, and here we are two years later, 140 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: here we are, we did it. 141 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:25,239 Speaker 2: It's really beautiful to hear that you had this sense 142 00:07:25,280 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 2: of self belief despite not having so much experience doing it, 143 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 2: Like you were really good at recognizing what you knew 144 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 2: to be true. In fact, you were like, I am 145 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 2: good at these distances, and conventionally speaking, if you're okay 146 00:07:40,280 --> 00:07:42,440 Speaker 2: at these distances, then there's like a lot of promise 147 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:44,800 Speaker 2: for me to try something else. 148 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 149 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 2: It's motivating because you see that and it's like, well, 150 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 2: if she had the you know, the guts to try this, 151 00:07:50,400 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 2: then like maybe I can have the guts to try 152 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 2: something like this too. Yeah. 153 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: I feel like that's been a huge part of like 154 00:07:56,440 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 1: the success I've found at this distance. Is that just 155 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: like belief in that confidence because I don't think I 156 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: necessarily do like traditional marathon training. I don't log like 157 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: huge miles. I don't do a ton of long runs. 158 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:12,520 Speaker 1: So like when you're only doing two or three long 159 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: runs in a build up, you have to have so 160 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,080 Speaker 1: much confidence that what you did was enough and that 161 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: like you are capable of like the performance you want 162 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,240 Speaker 1: to have. Yeah, And leading into Houston this year, I 163 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: got her on the front side of the build so 164 00:08:26,200 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: then we like only had like seven weeks, but everything 165 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 1: we did was like good, even though everything we did 166 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:34,560 Speaker 1: was like a couple of things, but we just had 167 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: so much confidence in what we did and what I 168 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:40,440 Speaker 1: was capable of that I like felt so sure on 169 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: that start line that like I was going to have 170 00:08:42,480 --> 00:08:42,959 Speaker 1: a great. 171 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 2: Day, and a great day you had with that two 172 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 2: twenty two Yeah, yeah, making you the fastest American born 173 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 2: black woman to ever run a marathon. Oh, I have 174 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:56,600 Speaker 2: goosebump saying that out loud. It's just so exciting and 175 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:00,440 Speaker 2: it's such a major accomplishment. Again, say the sentence yourself 176 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:03,839 Speaker 2: eight ten years ago. Wild Yeah. Yeah, you say that 177 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:07,200 Speaker 2: you don't do long runs often, I'm of the mindset also, 178 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 2: or I'm of the understanding that for you, a long 179 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 2: run is over about. 180 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 3: Sixteen miles, Yeah, like somewhere around there. 181 00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 2: Okay, So in your conventional marathon build up, you're saying 182 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 2: you're only going long long about three times. Yeah, what 183 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:20,679 Speaker 2: a treat. 184 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 185 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:24,440 Speaker 2: So if you're not going long run, then talk to 186 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:26,200 Speaker 2: us about what training could look like for you. 187 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 3: Yeah. 188 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: I would say it feels like ninety percent of the 189 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: time we're training to be the best like ten k 190 00:09:32,920 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: runner or like half marathon runner, that we could be like. 191 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 3: A lot of like k's a lot of. 192 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:41,240 Speaker 1: Miles, maybe two mile repeats, a lot of like six 193 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: mile tempos, and like maybe an eight mile tempo here 194 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: or there, but like we really don't do a ton 195 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: of like the big marathon like volume throughout the build up. 196 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:58,600 Speaker 2: For you, as you get deeper into a marathon build up, 197 00:09:58,720 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 2: obviously there's an inevitable amount of fatigue that occurs. Do 198 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 2: you believe that this approach helps you kind of level 199 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:09,360 Speaker 2: set and navigate that fatigue a little bit better? 200 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,439 Speaker 1: Yes, Because we are in peak training right now, and 201 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: this is like the heaviest week, Like I will have 202 00:10:16,600 --> 00:10:19,440 Speaker 1: like I did by far, my biggest workout a few 203 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: days ago, and then I have another really big session 204 00:10:22,600 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: on Sunday. So in the seven days or the six 205 00:10:25,360 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 1: days between those two sessions. I just do one set 206 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: of like we did ten four hundreds yesterday just to 207 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:34,680 Speaker 1: shake out the legs, but like a lot of people 208 00:10:34,720 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: would do another workout somewhere in between that I wouldn't 209 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: really say those four hundreds are like supposed to be 210 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 1: a workout, because it's literally supposed to be like just 211 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 1: feel your legs again after all that volume. So it's 212 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: just really helped me like stay you know, healthy and 213 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,200 Speaker 1: also like feel good about it because like I get 214 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: more out of my workouts when I'm like not dead 215 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: going into them. 216 00:10:55,720 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's. 217 00:10:56,679 --> 00:11:00,640 Speaker 1: Like the belief that, oh, because like marathon training so heavy, 218 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:03,079 Speaker 1: like you're just going to feel bad all the time. 219 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 3: And I feel like we've learned you don't have to 220 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 3: feel bad all the time. 221 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:09,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's actually like really productive when you feel 222 00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:10,560 Speaker 1: good most of the time. 223 00:11:10,679 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. 224 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: I'm just like really grateful that, Like Kurt noticed that 225 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: and also like listened and he was like, wow, like 226 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:19,680 Speaker 1: you respond to all of these really better if we 227 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: just like give you extra rest. There was definitely a 228 00:11:22,040 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: period internally where like I feel like a little guilty 229 00:11:25,640 --> 00:11:28,880 Speaker 1: or like you start to like second guess, like ah, 230 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,800 Speaker 1: like we're resting so much, like am I doing enough? 231 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: And then it's like I'm doing what I need to 232 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: do to like be the best version of myself? And 233 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:39,040 Speaker 1: why would you change that? 234 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,200 Speaker 2: Why would you change that? What I'm hearing you say 235 00:11:41,240 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 2: is that your superpower is knowing your boundaries. Would you agree? 236 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:48,280 Speaker 2: Do you think that that is the thing that helps 237 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:50,959 Speaker 2: give you the edge when it comes to running in competition? 238 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 3: I think so. 239 00:11:52,360 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 1: I think I've always been like pretty in tune with 240 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,440 Speaker 1: my body, but like more like the older I get, 241 00:11:58,480 --> 00:12:00,319 Speaker 1: and like the more time I spend in this sport, 242 00:12:00,360 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 1: and especially like at this distance, Like being so intuitive 243 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: is so helpful when you're out there for two plus 244 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,760 Speaker 1: hours on your own, Like your coach can't hold your 245 00:12:11,760 --> 00:12:13,920 Speaker 1: hand or bike next to you the whole time, Like 246 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: you don't always have like your best friend pacing you, 247 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,480 Speaker 1: Like there's going to be long stretches where it's just 248 00:12:19,640 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: you and you have to make a lot of decisions, 249 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:24,839 Speaker 1: and like even out on your training runs, like if 250 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: you don't have, you know, a five man crew with you, 251 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,920 Speaker 1: you have to make a lot of choices, and being 252 00:12:30,960 --> 00:12:33,280 Speaker 1: super in tune with yourself, you can make the best 253 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: choices and before every race. The last thing Kur always 254 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: leaves me with is like trust yourself. He's like, you 255 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 1: have great instincts, like just believe in them. 256 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 2: Mm hmm. How did you get to a place where 257 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 2: you feel confident in being able to trust yourself? Do 258 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:52,120 Speaker 2: you remember a time or an event that you finally 259 00:12:52,200 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 2: did and that kind of paved the way for where 260 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:55,679 Speaker 2: we are now? 261 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh that's a good question. I mean probably back 262 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:01,440 Speaker 3: in high. 263 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 1: School, because I also notoriously didn't train a lot, even 264 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:07,559 Speaker 1: though it was high school. So like not training a 265 00:13:07,559 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: lot in high school is like literally less than twenty 266 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:11,679 Speaker 1: miles a week because I famously like didn't know what 267 00:13:11,840 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: like OEO meant on the schedule, which is on your own, 268 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: So I just didn't do a single run on my 269 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 1: own if I wasn't at practice, So I was missing 270 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:20,360 Speaker 1: out on like a lot of miles. 271 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 3: But my coach just like threw me into like. 272 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,120 Speaker 1: A few like thirty two hundreds and a few miles 273 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: like my freshman year, since I had never done track before, 274 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:32,960 Speaker 1: and I just like instantly like found my rhythm. Like 275 00:13:33,000 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: I went out, I knew how many laps I had 276 00:13:34,720 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: to run, and I just like found an effort and 277 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:40,680 Speaker 1: like didn't fade and I was like, oh, like I 278 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: can do this. But I feel like I just like 279 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: had that feeling so early and even now, like when 280 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: I go out to do any sort of workout, Kurt 281 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 1: could be like run this pace and like would not 282 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,520 Speaker 1: even looking at my watch. I'm like within a few 283 00:13:54,559 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: seconds of it. But that's just like muscle memory over time. 284 00:13:58,080 --> 00:14:00,839 Speaker 2: How did running make you feel then versus how does 285 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 2: running make it make you feel now? 286 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:03,959 Speaker 3: The same? 287 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and that it like makes me feel really good 288 00:14:05,840 --> 00:14:06,679 Speaker 1: about myself. 289 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:08,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's fun. 290 00:14:08,679 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 1: Obviously like to win and like be in the front 291 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,079 Speaker 1: and like be good at something. But there's just something 292 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: about having like a goal and like wanting your body 293 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: to do something and then it actually responding. Like for me, 294 00:14:21,960 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: that's like such a validating feeling because you're like, oh, 295 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: I want to go out and I want to run this, 296 00:14:26,560 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: and then you do it, and it's just this like 297 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 1: circle of like gratification because you're like I put in 298 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: the work, I wanted to do this, and oh my god, 299 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,600 Speaker 1: I did it, and then like I get that experience 300 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: like every single time I go for a run. 301 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:42,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just like keeps you writing pretty high. 302 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 2: Keeps you writing pretty high. And it's interesting because it's 303 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:48,400 Speaker 2: not just about winning, right, Like it's this constant reminder 304 00:14:48,440 --> 00:14:50,840 Speaker 2: that you can do something that is challenging. Even on 305 00:14:50,880 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 2: the days where you don't feel like it goes as well, 306 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 2: or maybe the numbers are telling you that it's not 307 00:14:55,840 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 2: going as well, you still have this opportunity to reframe 308 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 2: and be like, yeah, but I did that for myself, 309 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 2: right Yeah. 310 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: Like even like this morning, like I didn't feel great 311 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: because I like have some pretty heavy legs, but I 312 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 1: was like, my goal today is to run an hour 313 00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: and to like feel warmed up by the end of it, 314 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:14,359 Speaker 1: Like I just want to like not feel like creaky 315 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: and like I'm falling apart. Yeah, and like with that 316 00:15:17,800 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: is like my intention for my run. You know, by 317 00:15:19,720 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: the end of the hour, I'm like okay, like I'm 318 00:15:22,120 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: warmed up, I'm a little loose. 319 00:15:23,760 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 3: Like we did it. We did it, and that's my 320 00:15:25,920 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 3: win for the day. 321 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:30,000 Speaker 2: And you said that you thought that the five k 322 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 2: would be your thing, which also insinuates that you always 323 00:15:32,840 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 2: had this thought that you would run professionally. 324 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 1: Yes, I would say maybe like sophomore junior year of college, 325 00:15:40,800 --> 00:15:45,200 Speaker 1: like when I won ACC's indoors for the three K 326 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,000 Speaker 1: my junior year, and like I made outdoor nationals as 327 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 1: a sophomore. Once you start doing those things, you're like, oh, 328 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: like all the girls that do these things usually just 329 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: keep running. So like, I think it might be like 330 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 1: an option for. 331 00:15:56,920 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 2: Me, as an option if you were to think back 332 00:16:00,000 --> 00:16:02,280 Speaker 2: about what the other path could have been. What were 333 00:16:02,360 --> 00:16:05,000 Speaker 2: you gearing up to do outside of running? 334 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: For a while, I really thought I wanted to be 335 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: a therapist. I majored in psych. Like seventy five percent 336 00:16:13,760 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 1: of girls run cross country. 337 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 2: Well, I did not know that this is a thing. 338 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 1: I well, I might be making up the seventy five percent, 339 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 1: but at leased on my team when I was there, 340 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: it was like at least fifty percent of the cross 341 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: team at all times was majoring in psych. 342 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,240 Speaker 2: That's so interesting. Yeah, I wonder what that parallel is. 343 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:33,960 Speaker 2: Just like wanting to push the boundaries of your own performance, 344 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 2: so you're very interested in the mind. 345 00:16:35,840 --> 00:16:38,520 Speaker 3: I think part of it was really easy schedule fund. 346 00:16:38,440 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 2: You're like, absolutely not, there's no correligion. 347 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: Those STEM girls had a real hard time when there's 348 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: only one section offered for their like you know, chemical engineering, 349 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,520 Speaker 1: class at like seven am, and it's like, good luck 350 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: with that. It'sch It's like you have a lot more 351 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: flexibility in your schedule mm hmm. 352 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 3: But also a lot of us just like really gravitated 353 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 3: towards it. 354 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: We really liked it, and you obviously like can learn 355 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: a lot of things that are helped full. But like 356 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: I thought of psych as like majoring in people, which 357 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 1: is like super fun and super enjoyable, and like you 358 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: can just learn a lot about like yourself, your teammates, 359 00:17:09,320 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: like everyone around you. I always felt bad for people 360 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:14,399 Speaker 1: who like majored in things they didn't love because then 361 00:17:14,440 --> 00:17:17,359 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, you're not having a good time. 362 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 2: Yes, you have teammates, But generally speaking, running is a 363 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:25,919 Speaker 2: very individual sport. So for you did being part of 364 00:17:25,960 --> 00:17:29,120 Speaker 2: a team. Was that very helpful for you also as 365 00:17:29,160 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 2: an individual? 366 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, because there is like you know, the 367 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,360 Speaker 1: bonding of common suffering, like we're all going through this together, 368 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: we're all especially down in like Raleigh, North Carolina, those 369 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:46,000 Speaker 1: like early preseason stuff in like August when it's ninety 370 00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:47,880 Speaker 1: degrees one hundred percent humidity. 371 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 3: Maybe we didn't do all of the. 372 00:17:50,280 --> 00:17:52,200 Speaker 1: Summer training we were supposed to do, and the coaches 373 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:54,240 Speaker 1: are making us do a long tempo that no one 374 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 1: is ready for, Like at least we're in it together 375 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: and there's like a bond there that's like so Sea. 376 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 2: I recently talked to your teammate Susannah Sillivan, and we 377 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 2: were talking about how she feels like something that really 378 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 2: helps her when it comes to running is the fact 379 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 2: that her attention is divided that she is a teacher 380 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:16,879 Speaker 2: and then she also is a professional runner. What do 381 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,919 Speaker 2: you think helps you show up as your best self? 382 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:26,320 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm really good at like being present. 383 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,159 Speaker 1: I guess I would say like my attention during the 384 00:18:29,240 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: day isn't necessarily divided because I don't have like another 385 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,480 Speaker 1: career outside of running, So it does seem like that's 386 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 1: like the only thing I like do professionally, which like. 387 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 3: Technically it is. 388 00:18:38,720 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: But I'm really good at turning everything off, like when 389 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,720 Speaker 1: I show up to run, when I'm out on my run, 390 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,920 Speaker 1: I don't bring my phone when I am at practice, 391 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:51,199 Speaker 1: like the second my workout starts, like that is the 392 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: only thing I'm thinking about. 393 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 2: M M. 394 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 1: And like people ask like, oh, like do you like 395 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 1: run with people? And I was like honestly prefer to 396 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: do a lot of easy runs alone because like that's 397 00:18:59,800 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: my like thinking time. That's when I'm like visualizing like 398 00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 1: the race. That's when I'm visualizing like my next workout. 399 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: Like I just think practicing you know what you're going 400 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,400 Speaker 1: to think about, or like how you deal with things 401 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,600 Speaker 1: during your runs is so helpful because it's like mental 402 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: muscle memory. Yeah, like oh, when I feel bad, where 403 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: does my headspace go? So I feel like I'm constantly 404 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: doing that. 405 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:26,280 Speaker 2: That's so helpful and not just in the context of running. 406 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 2: This idea that Okay, if I think about what could 407 00:19:29,080 --> 00:19:32,000 Speaker 2: happen if I am in a place of resistance or 408 00:19:32,040 --> 00:19:34,280 Speaker 2: if maybe things aren't going as I would hope. If 409 00:19:34,280 --> 00:19:36,639 Speaker 2: you think that through, then maybe you'll be happier with 410 00:19:36,680 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 2: the way that you respond than if you haven't. Right 411 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 2: for you, how have you seen that skill set payoff 412 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:44,080 Speaker 2: in the past? Can you give us an example? 413 00:19:44,840 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean during Houston at mile fifteen, we like 414 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:52,679 Speaker 1: came through and like we were running great, we were 415 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 1: right on pace. I like felt amazing, and like both 416 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,199 Speaker 1: of my hamstrings like seized up, and I was like, 417 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,760 Speaker 1: what is happening? And yeah, like why would you do. 418 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:05,919 Speaker 1: This second thought was like at least it's symmetrical. But 419 00:20:05,960 --> 00:20:08,960 Speaker 1: then it was like I still have eleven miles to go, 420 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: which is like so scary because you're like I'm running 421 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: so well and otherwise I feel so good. So that's 422 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: when I go to like, Okay, if Kurt was like 423 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: on the bike next to me, like what would he say, 424 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:21,800 Speaker 1: Like what should I do right now? And it was like, 425 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 1: do all of those little things like stay tall, relax 426 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: your shoulders, like all of the little things you can 427 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: like practice that we've drilled in like over and over, 428 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: like saved me because I was just thinking about like 429 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: latching onto those things and not focusing on like, oh 430 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 1: my hamstrings don't feel very good. I was like no, 431 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 1: like your pace is good, your stride is good, like 432 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 1: stay tall, like all of those things over and over 433 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 1: and like I didn't break stride, I didn't slow down, 434 00:20:48,160 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 1: like my splits were super even. 435 00:20:49,920 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 3: And it was like, great, it's. 436 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:54,480 Speaker 2: So impressive that you have the capacity to speak so 437 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 2: positively to yourself. And I'm sure that that's not something 438 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 2: that just clear over naim No, especially because it's human 439 00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 2: nature to have more negative than positive thoughts. Yeah, when 440 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,639 Speaker 2: you were younger. Did you have a climate of positive 441 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,040 Speaker 2: thoughts within you or was this something that you've really 442 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:16,119 Speaker 2: worked on over the years. 443 00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 1: I feel like it was a little bit of something 444 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 1: I always had, probably just like the like speed at 445 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: which I turn over thoughts is also super helpful because 446 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 1: it's not like I have only positive thoughts like trust me. 447 00:21:31,280 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: I'm also thinking like what am I doing here? I 448 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: feel horrible? This is horrible, Like you know, who wants 449 00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:39,360 Speaker 1: to do this? Why did I sign up for this? 450 00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:42,880 Speaker 1: And I think that often, but I like think that 451 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: and let it go versus like there were definitely periods 452 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: of time where you try to bury those feelings because 453 00:21:48,880 --> 00:21:51,399 Speaker 1: you're like embarrassed by them and you're like, I am 454 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,920 Speaker 1: should be grateful, like I chose this, Like how dare 455 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,600 Speaker 1: I think that? And like that is like the spiral 456 00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,399 Speaker 1: you don't want to go down. But like having that 457 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: initial like oh, I feel terrible is like okay, but 458 00:22:03,320 --> 00:22:05,199 Speaker 1: it's like what do you do after that? And I 459 00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 1: think over the years, especially like with like marathon training 460 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,280 Speaker 1: and like raising the marathon, like figuring out how to 461 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,720 Speaker 1: respond to yourself when you're like, oh, I feel terrible 462 00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 1: right now, It's like Okay, just get to the next 463 00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,560 Speaker 1: like half mile, run this pace for another two minutes, 464 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: focus on anything else, and just being able to redirect 465 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: was definitely something of like learned over. 466 00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 2: The years, breaking it up into little doables. Yeah, yeah, 467 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:29,959 Speaker 2: this is about running, it's not about running. That is 468 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 2: such a helpful tip. And I'm sure that there are 469 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 2: people that come to you on social media, maybe in 470 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 2: your DMS, and they're like, oh my god, right now, 471 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 2: it's one hundred degrees. We're just talking about the heat wave, right, 472 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:43,640 Speaker 2: like it's one hundred degrees. How do you do this? 473 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,720 Speaker 2: And they're in this negative thought spiral. Perhaps, what do 474 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:50,320 Speaker 2: you say to someone who comes to you in that. 475 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 3: Spiral, especially if it's in the heat. 476 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,560 Speaker 1: That's tough because like there's nothing you can do about it, 477 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,320 Speaker 1: but just like give yourself a little grace, like it's 478 00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,520 Speaker 1: hot for everyone, which is always the first thing you 479 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 1: think during like the race, when there's like terrible conditions. 480 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,439 Speaker 1: It's like we are all feeling how warm it is, 481 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: like we are not the only people on the planet 482 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:10,920 Speaker 1: right now that are like feeling this heat. But also 483 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: like it's okay to slow down, It's okay, like just 484 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 1: being able to let go of like the watch in 485 00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,959 Speaker 1: like those splits, and we did that, especially during those 486 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:23,960 Speaker 1: heat advisories, and we were still running just as fast 487 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 1: as we wanted to. But taking away that stress of 488 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: having to like run your PB splits or like run 489 00:23:30,320 --> 00:23:33,560 Speaker 1: a PB when it's one hundred degrees is like very freeing. 490 00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, how did it feel for you going back to 491 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:42,000 Speaker 2: your performance in Houston? I know, after you ran that 492 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 2: to twenty two, not that there weren't eyes on you before, 493 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 2: but then all of a sudden, it was like you 494 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 2: were going slowly up the mountain and then you like 495 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,560 Speaker 2: found the express track right, and so a lot of 496 00:23:52,560 --> 00:23:55,720 Speaker 2: eyes on you, a lot of conversations are had. How 497 00:23:55,760 --> 00:23:58,720 Speaker 2: did that influx of attention make you feel? 498 00:23:59,040 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: I would say it was yeah, because I always thought 499 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,199 Speaker 1: I was like that good, and so it's like a 500 00:24:05,320 --> 00:24:09,359 Speaker 1: very like funny experience when like you think you're that good, 501 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: and like the people closest to me think I'm that good, 502 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 1: but like it's not like everyone else really had reason 503 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,040 Speaker 1: to It's not like there was anyone doubting me, but 504 00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:20,000 Speaker 1: like there's also nothing on paper for them to be like. 505 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 3: No, no, no, Like she's really really good. 506 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: Validating again to just like have that performance that anybody 507 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: could look at and be like, oh no, like she 508 00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 1: actually is like pretty good. 509 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 2: At this mm hmm. Any negatives come with that. 510 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 3: Not yet. 511 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 1: I've both like been lucky but also like curated a 512 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,600 Speaker 1: very nice bubble for myself and it's just been like 513 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:40,960 Speaker 1: an influx of like very very positive attention. 514 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, which is I feel as though partly because that 515 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,239 Speaker 2: is the way that you model for everyone else, Like 516 00:24:50,320 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 2: you teach people how to treat you right, And so 517 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 2: that doesn't mean that there aren't going to be the 518 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 2: sporadic people that infiltrate the bubble and like have nasty 519 00:24:58,080 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 2: things to say, but generally speak like you're met with 520 00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:03,840 Speaker 2: the energy that you put into the world. So if 521 00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 2: you're coming into their world with all of this positivity 522 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 2: and like good vibes and like, that's exactly what's going 523 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 2: to come back through your door. Yeah, which is helpful, 524 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 2: very it's helpful when you're working, you're about off prepping 525 00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 2: for such a major moment like you are now. I 526 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 2: want to talk a little bit about your support system. 527 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:21,399 Speaker 2: Talk to me about who's in the squad. 528 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 1: My number one fan would probably be my boyfriend, Yeah, 529 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 1: and he just recently moved back. He's in the army. 530 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:31,399 Speaker 1: He was stationed overseas for the last three plus years. 531 00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: He's back stateside, So that's been huge, especially like my 532 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 1: Houston build happened overlap with like obviously like Christmas and stuff, 533 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: so he was able to be home and like be 534 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: around for those like peak weeks, which is what I'm 535 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:46,920 Speaker 1: in right now, and like thankfully he's back again. Because 536 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: you're just so physically and emotionally drained, it like cannot 537 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 1: be understated, like how nice it is to just like 538 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: come home and have someone like do things for you 539 00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: or just like look out for you because you're like 540 00:25:59,520 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 1: completely wiped, like mentally and emotionally. 541 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 3: You're like I'm forgetting things. 542 00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 1: I'm so hungry, but like I don't want to get 543 00:26:06,119 --> 00:26:07,879 Speaker 1: up and make food, Like I don't want to go 544 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:10,719 Speaker 1: fill up my water bottle like I'm dead. But like 545 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 1: just having someone there as like your comfort that like 546 00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,200 Speaker 1: is also willing to like do whatever you need in 547 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:18,280 Speaker 1: those like two. 548 00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 3: Weeks is unbelievable. 549 00:26:19,760 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 2: Mm hmmm. 550 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 3: It's like a huge difference. 551 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:24,919 Speaker 2: It makes a massive difference. And I also feel like 552 00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 2: you must communicate that that's important to you because if 553 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:31,199 Speaker 2: you don't, then you can't just expect someone to like 554 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,520 Speaker 2: pick up the slack or do something. Yeah, you would 555 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 2: hope that maybe they would understand, right, but you need 556 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,080 Speaker 2: to be like, hey, it would really help me if 557 00:26:37,080 --> 00:26:38,879 Speaker 2: you would do this at least once, so then they 558 00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 2: can understand that that's something that would be helpful in 559 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,919 Speaker 2: the future. Yeah, this is me talking to myself and 560 00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 2: reminding myself that from my future partner, Like, you can't 561 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:46,720 Speaker 2: expect him just to know Emily. 562 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: Right, But it's also like totally okay to ask, like 563 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,119 Speaker 1: ask if you need something, like if you're like I 564 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,919 Speaker 1: feel horrible right now, Like it would be really helpful 565 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,680 Speaker 1: if you did this, Like that's perfectly okay to say. 566 00:26:57,800 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 2: And it's also like you get information then about how 567 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:04,040 Speaker 2: that person reacts when you ask something of them in 568 00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,280 Speaker 2: this moment. It's like, hey, can we be a team together? 569 00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:06,679 Speaker 3: Right? 570 00:27:07,040 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 2: How does this function? Right? And you need that? Okay, 571 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 2: So boyfriend, big part of the squad. 572 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, my whole like Rhode Island Track Club, which is 573 00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: who I usually like meet to run with a few 574 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,960 Speaker 1: days a week. That's a group that Kurt coaches in Providence. 575 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: So obviously, like Kurt is like a huge part of it. Yeah, 576 00:27:24,359 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: he's like in charge of everything, and he's just been 577 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: really great the last couple of years. Like there was 578 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:34,320 Speaker 1: like a long stretch earlier my professional career where there's 579 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,040 Speaker 1: like literally a running bit where it's like the coach 580 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: doesn't care how Erica feels, because like he would ask 581 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: and then like nothing would change. Like I could be like, oh, 582 00:27:42,640 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 1: like this really hurts or I feel horrible or this 583 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,159 Speaker 1: or that, or like I feel under the weather, and 584 00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: he's like, oh, we'll just okay, just like do whatever anyways, 585 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,840 Speaker 1: and like there would be no adjustment. It like didn't 586 00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 1: really feel like he was like listening, and it was 587 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: like really weird. And Kurt's like the polar opposite of that, 588 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,520 Speaker 1: where like he when he checks, he like actually means it. 589 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:06,720 Speaker 1: And it's just been like insane how impactful it is 590 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: when your coach just like listens to you, because at 591 00:28:09,600 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 1: first you're like, am I being crazy? And it's like no, 592 00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,080 Speaker 1: like if you're not supposed to feel like this or 593 00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:17,199 Speaker 1: if that's not supposed to feel like that, then like 594 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: it's okay to adjust. And like right before we started 595 00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: like the build for Tokyo earlier in the summer. I 596 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 1: was just like really like overwhelmed by like how much 597 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,919 Speaker 1: time we had this was like twelve fourteen weeks out 598 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 1: because the thought of a long build like terrifies me, 599 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: and I was spiraling. 600 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 3: So I like went to Kurt and was like, how 601 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 3: much are we going to do? Like how long is 602 00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 3: the build going to be? 603 00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,320 Speaker 1: Like I'm like literally losing sleep because I'm like so 604 00:28:42,440 --> 00:28:45,720 Speaker 1: stressed about this, and he was like, first off, relax, 605 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,239 Speaker 1: but also like I never want you to feel like 606 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 1: you are not in control of this, Like we can 607 00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: always adjust, we can always move things around if it's 608 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: too much, like we will change things. Like don't ever 609 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 1: feel like you don't have any say, like you don't 610 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: have any power, Like we are going to do what's 611 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,959 Speaker 1: going to make you feel the best. And I was like, 612 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: oh okay, and it just like was such a weight 613 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:10,120 Speaker 1: off my shoulders. 614 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 2: Did we pivot from a fourteen week build? Oh yeah? 615 00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,560 Speaker 2: Which shortened that real quick, right yeah? And that's like 616 00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:20,320 Speaker 2: so interesting. A it's really beautiful to hear that he 617 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 2: really listens to you and values your feedback. I think 618 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 2: that's a really important aspect within a coach an athlete 619 00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,000 Speaker 2: relationship and I think that a lot of individuals also 620 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:34,600 Speaker 2: struggle with, well, this person. I work with this person 621 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,760 Speaker 2: because they know what's best for me, assuming that what's 622 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 2: best for you might not feel the best for you. 623 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 2: And so to be in this place where they can 624 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 2: meld together, it feels really special. 625 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, because like that's why you have a coach, because like, 626 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 1: if I knew what the best training was for myself, 627 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: I would just do it myself. 628 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 3: But like I obviously have no idea. 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Also, I 685 00:33:24,600 --> 00:33:27,680 Speaker 2: can't imagine that that approach makes you feel good and 686 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:30,320 Speaker 2: correct me if I'm wrong, But I would assume there's 687 00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 2: got to be a certain amount of mental stress that 688 00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:36,960 Speaker 2: also came with the fact that your partner was overseas 689 00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:38,680 Speaker 2: for a better part of the last three years. 690 00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that six hour time difference is really 691 00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: inconvenient when you're like coming home. 692 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 3: From like a bad workout, or just like a day 693 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 3: where it's just. 694 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: Like all kind of coming down on you, or like 695 00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: you're a few days out from like your biggest race 696 00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: of the year and you're like, I just want to 697 00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: talk to them, and it's like three am their time, 698 00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: and they're asleep, and you're like, I guess I'll wait 699 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: till tomorrow, which like does not feel good. 700 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 2: Now that he's back in New York, it sounds like 701 00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,600 Speaker 2: you guys are gonna have the opportunity to spend a 702 00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:07,400 Speaker 2: lot more time together. 703 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's actually been like the first time he came 704 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,120 Speaker 1: to visit after we moved back was a little unsettling 705 00:34:13,160 --> 00:34:15,560 Speaker 1: for me because he just texted me. No, he called 706 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,319 Speaker 1: me like out of the blue, because I thought he 707 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:20,359 Speaker 1: was like busy, like doing homework or something. And he 708 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,080 Speaker 1: called me and was like, I'll be there in three hours. 709 00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: And I was like, what do you mean you'll be 710 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,239 Speaker 1: here in three hours? Because like we're only a few 711 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: hours apart now, so you can just come over like 712 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,080 Speaker 1: literally whenever. And I was like wow. Normally, be like 713 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:33,360 Speaker 1: an international flight, we'd have to plan it like a 714 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,320 Speaker 1: couple months in advance. And I'm like, that's so nice 715 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:37,799 Speaker 1: that we can just be like, oh, do you want 716 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,320 Speaker 1: to do something tomorrow and just like make it happen. 717 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 2: But what also a really great instance of reframing because 718 00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 2: some people might hear a three hour difference and they're like, oh, 719 00:34:47,560 --> 00:34:49,799 Speaker 2: they're so far away, and you hear a three hour 720 00:34:50,080 --> 00:34:52,560 Speaker 2: difference and you're like, wow, what an opportunity, Like we're 721 00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 2: so close now, this is so awesome. Yeah. 722 00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:59,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, after the intercontinental relationship, we were just like, please 723 00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,600 Speaker 1: be in the same time, Like I can't do the 724 00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:02,960 Speaker 1: six hour times in anymore. 725 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:07,440 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. Well, looking forward right now, 726 00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:10,839 Speaker 2: when we think about Tokyo, what would you say that 727 00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 2: success would look like for you? There? 728 00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:17,120 Speaker 1: Oh that's a good one. We all still think about 729 00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:21,360 Speaker 1: World Championships. In twenty two in Eugene, team USA Women 730 00:35:21,719 --> 00:35:24,880 Speaker 1: three in the top ten. I like wholeheartedly think we 731 00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: can obviously do that again, but potentially even better. I 732 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,120 Speaker 1: think we have a really special team and it's like 733 00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: very exciting. So I think, like, obviously shooting for top ten, 734 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,000 Speaker 1: but you know, you're shooting for the stars. 735 00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,720 Speaker 2: A big through line has been for me in recent 736 00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,360 Speaker 2: years is this understanding that if I'm not willing to 737 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,239 Speaker 2: speak it into existence, then I don't get anything that 738 00:35:46,360 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 2: I'm not willing to say if I want a dream 739 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 2: job with someone, or if I want to feel a 740 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:56,040 Speaker 2: certain way, if I'm not willing to say this is 741 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,880 Speaker 2: what I want, then I'm not I don't deserve it. 742 00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 2: And so I believe that it's so cool to now 743 00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:07,879 Speaker 2: see you in this position where you never really aspired 744 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,719 Speaker 2: to necessarily maybe get that to twenty two or or 745 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:14,080 Speaker 2: garnered the titles that came with it, right, but then 746 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,239 Speaker 2: you did, and that taught you to aim big. 747 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:16,839 Speaker 3: Mm hm. 748 00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:21,240 Speaker 2: So now when I ask you again, what could success 749 00:36:21,239 --> 00:36:22,960 Speaker 2: look like for you in Tokyo? What does it look like? 750 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 1: And it could be winning? Yeah, I mean obviously, like 751 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:28,000 Speaker 1: you always want to win. That'd be sick, you know. 752 00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:30,879 Speaker 1: I would settle for metal and then like obviously shooting for. 753 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,200 Speaker 2: Top ten, shooting for top ten. How do you want 754 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:33,600 Speaker 2: to feel? 755 00:36:34,840 --> 00:36:38,160 Speaker 1: I want to feel, honestly, I want to feel like 756 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:40,760 Speaker 1: empty at the end. Yeah, Like I want to feel 757 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:44,480 Speaker 1: like I did everything I possibly could and like finish 758 00:36:44,640 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 1: on eat in Tokyo. 759 00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:49,760 Speaker 2: And practically what does that involve? Would you say? 760 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 1: I think it's a mental thing, just because there's like 761 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: different types of runners. I actually talked about this with 762 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 1: Nalohas a few years ago, and we were dying because 763 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,520 Speaker 1: we were like we're not like grindy people. 764 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 3: Like there's some people. 765 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:03,880 Speaker 1: Are really gritty and like they can like be in 766 00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 1: that pain cave forever and it's like so impressive and 767 00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:11,160 Speaker 1: like so inspiring. But like none of my best performances 768 00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: have come when I'm like in the pain cave. They've 769 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:17,320 Speaker 1: come when like I'm in like this like amazing flow 770 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,319 Speaker 1: state and like everything almost feels like easy, and it's 771 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 1: like I was meant to do this and like everything's 772 00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:25,359 Speaker 1: going my way. So I feel like the last few 773 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:29,040 Speaker 1: years have been figuring out how to like almost force 774 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,799 Speaker 1: myself into that state and like finding it. So if 775 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,040 Speaker 1: I can find that in Tokyo and just like give 776 00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:38,200 Speaker 1: it my all there, I will be so stoked. 777 00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:42,080 Speaker 2: What do you think the most challenging aspect of this 778 00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 2: being in Tokyo is for you? 779 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:46,240 Speaker 3: Probably the weather. 780 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: Obviously the travel is going to be like a bit 781 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: rough on the body because it's all the way across 782 00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 1: the world. But I usually get really excited about like 783 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: new locations. I do better on courses I haven't seen, 784 00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,279 Speaker 1: so like all of those things are good for me. 785 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: It's not particularly hilly. I don't think I'm like good 786 00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:07,800 Speaker 1: or bad on hilly courses, but like Houston wasn't very hilly, 787 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,280 Speaker 1: So like I'm not mad that Tokyo. 788 00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,719 Speaker 3: Is not gonna be like Boston. 789 00:38:12,080 --> 00:38:15,280 Speaker 1: It's gonna be tough because when it's like that humid 790 00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,399 Speaker 1: and that hot, you just have to fuel a lot 791 00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,759 Speaker 1: more than you normally would, and that's like my least 792 00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:24,160 Speaker 1: favorite thing. So just getting comfortable with like how uncomfortable 793 00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 1: that's gonna feel. 794 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:27,080 Speaker 2: As we speak about things that could be difficult, what 795 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,960 Speaker 2: would you say has been the most difficult part for 796 00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:33,160 Speaker 2: you within your running career thus far? 797 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:37,919 Speaker 1: Ironically probably my marathon debut, just because I had such 798 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,560 Speaker 1: high hopes for it, but like I was also coming 799 00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 1: off this three month period of like major life changes 800 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:47,720 Speaker 1: and like a lot of stress and like switch brands, 801 00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: switch coaches, and leading up to that, I was like 802 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: having a horrible time. So and then I was like, oh, 803 00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:54,719 Speaker 1: don't forget, you have to like debut in the marathon, 804 00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,040 Speaker 1: And then I had such high hopes for it, like 805 00:38:57,120 --> 00:38:59,560 Speaker 1: everyone else had such high hopes for it, and then 806 00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,279 Speaker 1: get hit with food poisoning like a week out, and 807 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,000 Speaker 1: it was like what is happening? Like why am I 808 00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:07,440 Speaker 1: being tested like this? Like this was supposed to be 809 00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:12,000 Speaker 1: this incredible debut. Nothing's really going my way and I 810 00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:13,120 Speaker 1: don't feel very good. 811 00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 3: My life is in shambles. 812 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:17,279 Speaker 1: I'm like putting it back together, but still like it 813 00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,400 Speaker 1: was coming off a very rough stretch of just like life. 814 00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:24,799 Speaker 1: And then I obviously, like I finished Boston, and then 815 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,040 Speaker 1: I get the news that like I broke the record 816 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,520 Speaker 1: for being like the fastest US born Black woman and 817 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:33,120 Speaker 1: then it turned into this like beautiful, like historical moment, 818 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:35,360 Speaker 1: and like all of these people lifted me up and 819 00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,279 Speaker 1: we're like, we are so proud of you, we see you. 820 00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, so it was like this 821 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:43,880 Speaker 1: like awful personal moment leading into the race, and I 822 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 1: thought I had like missed the mark by a mile, 823 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:47,880 Speaker 1: and then it still ended up being like one of 824 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,440 Speaker 1: the most memorable days of my career that like showed 825 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,120 Speaker 1: me how much I could do in the marathon. 826 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,400 Speaker 2: Can we talk a little bit more about why it 827 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:56,160 Speaker 2: was so hard for you? 828 00:39:56,800 --> 00:40:01,239 Speaker 1: That was April of twenty twenty three, and starting in 829 00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:05,040 Speaker 1: like three four months before that, so like October November 830 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 1: of twenty two, I was just like essentially being coached 831 00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 1: by myself because my coach at the time had like 832 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,359 Speaker 1: stopped speaking to me because we like had a bit 833 00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:19,239 Speaker 1: of a falling out. We like just didn't see eye 834 00:40:19,239 --> 00:40:21,239 Speaker 1: to eye on like quite a few things, and I 835 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,399 Speaker 1: had like declined my offer to renew because I didn't 836 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,799 Speaker 1: want to like work with them anymore. And it was 837 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:31,280 Speaker 1: just like deeply unpleasant and like very stressful. But then 838 00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:34,480 Speaker 1: my contract didn't run out until like the end of December, 839 00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:36,600 Speaker 1: so It's not like I can like get a new 840 00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:39,120 Speaker 1: coach or get a new brand. So then there's this 841 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:42,719 Speaker 1: like awkward, like two month period where I'm like just 842 00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 1: on my own. And it's also winter in Boston, which 843 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:49,920 Speaker 1: is like gray and windy and wet, and also I 844 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,800 Speaker 1: have to run a marathon, which I've never done before, 845 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,880 Speaker 1: and I had been training with people who were running 846 00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:58,000 Speaker 1: a three k indoors, so I just. 847 00:40:57,920 --> 00:40:59,560 Speaker 3: Like felt wildly unprepared. 848 00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 1: And I'll so like just like alone out at sea 849 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:05,120 Speaker 1: on like not even a life raft, just like a 850 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:06,120 Speaker 1: piece of driftwood. 851 00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 3: And I was like, am I could feel okay? 852 00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:13,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, completely understandable. Right, It's so many changes all at once, 853 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,600 Speaker 2: and you're just like hoping for the best but feeling 854 00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:19,920 Speaker 2: so isolated. Yeah, in that experience for you, on the 855 00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:23,120 Speaker 2: days that you don't feel so shiny or like I've 856 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:28,279 Speaker 2: got this, how do you help yourself? What do you 857 00:41:28,320 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 2: do for yourself when it feels like I have no 858 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,040 Speaker 2: control over what's going on here? 859 00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,680 Speaker 1: Little things like I just I will do like all 860 00:41:36,760 --> 00:41:39,480 Speaker 1: of my like favorite little things like at home, so 861 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:42,760 Speaker 1: like I will make like one of my favorite dinners. 862 00:41:42,840 --> 00:41:45,399 Speaker 1: I will like make myself my favorite latte. I will 863 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,480 Speaker 1: like walk through my favorite part of the park, I 864 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:49,759 Speaker 1: will sit by my favorite part of the river, just 865 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:53,680 Speaker 1: like those little gems that remind you that like life 866 00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:56,520 Speaker 1: isn't horrible and like the world doesn't completely suck, Like 867 00:41:56,560 --> 00:42:00,239 Speaker 1: you just need like a moment of happiness to kind 868 00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,240 Speaker 1: of like get you out of that funk. 869 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,359 Speaker 2: Oftentimes we get into this spiral where like one thing 870 00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:07,359 Speaker 2: goes wrong and then we truly feel like the entire 871 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,359 Speaker 2: world is out to get us. Right. Oh yeah, you're like, yes, 872 00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,040 Speaker 2: I know. I was just saying this to a friend 873 00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:14,279 Speaker 2: yesterday when she texted me something positive. I was like, 874 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:16,800 Speaker 2: I'm gonna save this for the next time that you spiral, 875 00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:18,840 Speaker 2: Like we have this good moment and we can reflect 876 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:22,160 Speaker 2: on that. And that is truly why for me, when 877 00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:23,719 Speaker 2: I feel like the world is out to get me, 878 00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,960 Speaker 2: that journaling is so helpful because then I have that 879 00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,560 Speaker 2: opportunity to look back at the good moments too. Yeah, 880 00:42:29,760 --> 00:42:32,200 Speaker 2: oh my god, because when it feels like the world 881 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:33,560 Speaker 2: is falling out from under you. 882 00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:38,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, I am like pretty superstitious. Oh I think to 883 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:43,120 Speaker 1: like an unhealthy degree, but I do like believe. And 884 00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,200 Speaker 1: it's so funny because my belief is like very like 885 00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:48,520 Speaker 1: conditional if it like serves. 886 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:48,600 Speaker 2: Me or not. 887 00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,719 Speaker 1: But I'm like, oh, bad things happen in threes, which 888 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:54,400 Speaker 1: is good and bad because like when something bad happens, 889 00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,320 Speaker 1: like oh my god, I woke up and spilled my coffee, 890 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,720 Speaker 1: I'm like waiting for the next like two things to happen, 891 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,200 Speaker 1: so I move on. But then there's some days where 892 00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,360 Speaker 1: like three little bad things will happen at once, and 893 00:43:04,400 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 1: I'm like I'm set, like I'm good to go, Like 894 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:09,400 Speaker 1: all the bad things have happened, They've gotten themselves out 895 00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:10,640 Speaker 1: of the way, and we are. 896 00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:14,360 Speaker 2: Like we're good. Have you found it to be true 897 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:15,720 Speaker 2: that it's always in threes? 898 00:43:16,120 --> 00:43:18,960 Speaker 3: I just stopped counting. Okay, That's what I mean by 899 00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:20,360 Speaker 3: it's like very conditional. 900 00:43:20,560 --> 00:43:23,440 Speaker 2: In life coaching, I'm a certified professional coach that you can, 901 00:43:23,520 --> 00:43:25,160 Speaker 2: like it do a life coach, And so we always 902 00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:27,239 Speaker 2: ask you like questions like do you have proof for 903 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:28,120 Speaker 2: this thought that you have? 904 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:28,719 Speaker 1: Right? 905 00:43:28,840 --> 00:43:30,640 Speaker 2: So, like you're like, well, it happens in threes, and 906 00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:32,759 Speaker 2: I'm like, well, does it always happen in threes? Are 907 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,600 Speaker 2: there days where just one bad thing happens? Have you 908 00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:37,600 Speaker 2: ever noticed that? Yes? Okay, I don't want there to 909 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,200 Speaker 2: be three bad things that happened to you every time 910 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:40,160 Speaker 2: a bad thing happens to you. 911 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,719 Speaker 1: Well, I also like, will count really minor inconveniences as 912 00:43:43,760 --> 00:43:45,560 Speaker 1: like a bad thing just to like move. 913 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,680 Speaker 2: On, oh, to graduate from it? Yeah, because it's like. 914 00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,640 Speaker 1: Oh, like one bad thing happened, and then it's like 915 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:53,760 Speaker 1: two not bad things, but like slightly inconvenient things happen. 916 00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:55,399 Speaker 3: But it's like, oh, my three are done. 917 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,040 Speaker 2: Does this happen with good things too? In threes, good 918 00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:01,600 Speaker 2: things are unlimited? Oh okay, yeah, that's much better. Yeah, 919 00:44:01,640 --> 00:44:04,920 Speaker 2: when you take a look right now at your journey 920 00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:06,959 Speaker 2: and what you have going on, what would you say 921 00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:08,959 Speaker 2: powers you curiosity? 922 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:13,080 Speaker 1: I will not rest and I will not retire or 923 00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:15,600 Speaker 1: like feel good until I know how far I could go. 924 00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:19,080 Speaker 1: That is, you know, the wood like stoking my fires, 925 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:20,960 Speaker 1: just like we're not done yet. I don't feel like 926 00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,680 Speaker 1: we're anywhere close to done yet. So it just makes 927 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,399 Speaker 1: it easy to get up and be like how much 928 00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:26,839 Speaker 1: further are we going to go with this thing? 929 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,759 Speaker 2: What kind of aspirations do you have? How far do 930 00:44:29,800 --> 00:44:30,600 Speaker 2: you want to take it? 931 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:32,239 Speaker 3: And you want to take it all the way? 932 00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:34,279 Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, well, I mean, what's all the way 933 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:34,520 Speaker 2: to you? 934 00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:35,720 Speaker 3: Olympic gold. 935 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,440 Speaker 1: I mean, Joe Minoy is like waiting for another American 936 00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:42,440 Speaker 1: woman to like when she's so sweet and she did it. 937 00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,440 Speaker 3: She inspired all of us. You know, Lims Around the 938 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:46,000 Speaker 3: corner again. 939 00:44:46,160 --> 00:44:49,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, now around the corner again La twenty eight. It's 940 00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,520 Speaker 2: going to be here before we know it. But again, Tokyo, 941 00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:55,120 Speaker 2: the first step in that journey. When you are thinking 942 00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:59,719 Speaker 2: about the prep for this race, beyond the physical, what 943 00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,279 Speaker 2: would you say our integral components to your training, Things 944 00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,279 Speaker 2: that you do week after week that help you show 945 00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:07,000 Speaker 2: up your best day in and day out. 946 00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,520 Speaker 1: One thing we've done this past year is like I 947 00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,759 Speaker 1: don't love to get any sort of like body work done, 948 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,920 Speaker 1: regardless of if I need it, and I for sure do, 949 00:45:15,440 --> 00:45:17,880 Speaker 1: I just like I don't like it. I feel like 950 00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:20,319 Speaker 1: a little off, like the next day because like you 951 00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,560 Speaker 1: get used to like how much tension is in your body, 952 00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,799 Speaker 1: and I know it's not good for you, but it's 953 00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:27,880 Speaker 1: also like what I'm used to, So like when you 954 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,799 Speaker 1: take away that tension, I feel like a noodle, Like 955 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:33,960 Speaker 1: I feel weird. I don't feel like snappy and strong. 956 00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:38,160 Speaker 1: But Kurt convinced me to see someone more regularly, and 957 00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:40,799 Speaker 1: that's definitely helped me like stay on top of my game. 958 00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:44,839 Speaker 2: I'm like just sitting here and I'm like, if I 959 00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,640 Speaker 2: was a professional and like this was like somehow a 960 00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,839 Speaker 2: part of what I did, and someone would like help 961 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:52,359 Speaker 2: fund the fact that someone could help, yeah, make my 962 00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,960 Speaker 2: body feel better regularly. And You're like, I don't know 963 00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:55,719 Speaker 2: if I really. 964 00:45:55,520 --> 00:45:57,319 Speaker 3: Like it, Like, do I have a budget for it? Yes? 965 00:45:57,800 --> 00:46:00,760 Speaker 3: Do I like utilize it as much as I said, 966 00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:03,360 Speaker 3: more so now than ever before. 967 00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,480 Speaker 2: Okay, but not just bodywork as a part of that 968 00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:08,320 Speaker 2: recovery equation. Yeah, what else is in the routine? 969 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,239 Speaker 3: Always working on the sleep routine? You can always do 970 00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:12,080 Speaker 3: betterm hmm. 971 00:46:12,520 --> 00:46:15,320 Speaker 1: Just like I've always found sleep to be so boring. 972 00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:19,400 Speaker 1: It just feels like such a waste of time. 973 00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,640 Speaker 2: Erica, I love sleep. It's like my favorite thing in 974 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:23,080 Speaker 2: the world. 975 00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:25,279 Speaker 3: I want you to need to be like that. 976 00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,799 Speaker 2: Oh my god, So what does your sleep look like? 977 00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,839 Speaker 1: I mean, I do my best to get my like 978 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:35,239 Speaker 1: eight hours, but it's just like why because you can't 979 00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,520 Speaker 1: do anything when you're sleeping. So I find it really 980 00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,239 Speaker 1: hard to like shut down everything. But I don't have 981 00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,840 Speaker 1: trouble like falling asleep, I'm going to sleep within like 982 00:46:43,880 --> 00:46:46,440 Speaker 1: ten fifteen minutes of like hitting a pillow. But I 983 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:49,400 Speaker 1: don't like stay asleep super long, Like I'll stay asleep 984 00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:53,479 Speaker 1: seven hours, I'd say probably average seven. I should ever tire, 985 00:46:53,640 --> 00:46:55,520 Speaker 1: but it's fine. But then I wake up and I'm 986 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,279 Speaker 1: like sweet, like I'm awake, I can like do stuff again. 987 00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,440 Speaker 2: It's so funny because you know what's happening for you 988 00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:03,719 Speaker 2: during your sleep is that your body is recovering, and 989 00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,640 Speaker 2: then that recovery helps you be a better runner. 990 00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:08,960 Speaker 3: No, it's crazy if I like actually get like nine 991 00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,719 Speaker 3: and a half. Yeah, I'm like, I feel like a 992 00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,040 Speaker 3: new person. See, wow, I should do this everything. 993 00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,400 Speaker 2: So what I'm hearing you say is that you've experienced 994 00:47:15,400 --> 00:47:17,760 Speaker 2: and felt the benefits of a good night's rest before, 995 00:47:17,840 --> 00:47:20,120 Speaker 2: but it still doesn't make you feel fulfilled. 996 00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,719 Speaker 1: So we'd rather be up and doing things. Really, I'm 997 00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:26,080 Speaker 1: just not sold. I mean, there is so much evidence 998 00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,640 Speaker 1: that I've personally experienced as to the benefits of sleep 999 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:31,120 Speaker 1: I'm working on. 1000 00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,520 Speaker 2: I really find it impressive that you being a realist 1001 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,680 Speaker 2: to yourself is just being like, this is how it 1002 00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,200 Speaker 2: is now, and by accepting that I can kind of 1003 00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:45,040 Speaker 2: move forward, knowing that oftentimes on the show, I talk 1004 00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:47,640 Speaker 2: to people about what I call I AM statements, and 1005 00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:49,840 Speaker 2: those are like factual statements of things that we know 1006 00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:51,600 Speaker 2: to be true in the same vein. So when I'm 1007 00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,520 Speaker 2: feeling stressed or anxious, I will go through a list 1008 00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:58,560 Speaker 2: of I AM statements, and those help me move forward 1009 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,960 Speaker 2: despite whatever anxiety that I might be feeling. So right now, 1010 00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:04,960 Speaker 2: if I was to get on stage in front of 1011 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,680 Speaker 2: a bunch of people, maybe my I AM statements would 1012 00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,200 Speaker 2: be I am good at my job. I am a 1013 00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:14,520 Speaker 2: veteran journalist. I speak well in front of other people. 1014 00:48:14,880 --> 00:48:18,600 Speaker 2: When you think of your I AM statements going into Tokyo, 1015 00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:21,200 Speaker 2: if you were feeling a little bit anxious, what would 1016 00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,000 Speaker 2: your I AM statements be to help you show up 1017 00:48:24,040 --> 00:48:25,880 Speaker 2: on the starting line as your best self? 1018 00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,719 Speaker 1: Oh, I mean my number one that I always tell myself, 1019 00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:31,839 Speaker 1: And I used to say I out loud a lot 1020 00:48:31,920 --> 00:48:35,640 Speaker 1: more with my old team, but I always just tell myself. 1021 00:48:35,360 --> 00:48:37,640 Speaker 2: I'm really good at running. I'm really good at running. 1022 00:48:37,360 --> 00:48:42,120 Speaker 1: Which like sounds silly, but it's like so important to 1023 00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:44,480 Speaker 1: remember that while you're doing that thing, that like, I'm 1024 00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,719 Speaker 1: actually really good at this. Even if like I feel 1025 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,520 Speaker 1: really bad right now, I'm still good at this. So 1026 00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,799 Speaker 1: that's always like my number one. I would say, I 1027 00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:57,680 Speaker 1: am resilient, and that doesn't just come from like me, 1028 00:48:57,840 --> 00:49:00,520 Speaker 1: It comes from like other people through out like my 1029 00:49:00,600 --> 00:49:02,840 Speaker 1: career have like said that about me. So there's like 1030 00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,600 Speaker 1: a piece of me that's like I can't not be 1031 00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:08,319 Speaker 1: resilient right now. I am like known for this thing, 1032 00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:10,600 Speaker 1: Like I can't give up this quality. That would be 1033 00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:13,279 Speaker 1: like so helpful in this moment and just reminding yourself that, 1034 00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:13,880 Speaker 1: like you're. 1035 00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,920 Speaker 3: Capable of being resilient, yeah, and not just like crumbling. 1036 00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:24,960 Speaker 1: And then like I'm a competitor in anything, so like 1037 00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:27,360 Speaker 1: if I am in the race, like I am competing, 1038 00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:30,200 Speaker 1: I'm not just like a body out here with a 1039 00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,000 Speaker 1: bib going for a job, Like I am a competitor. 1040 00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:34,279 Speaker 3: This is a competition. 1041 00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:37,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, I always tell myself, and I know it's so lame. 1042 00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:39,759 Speaker 2: And then Kim Kardashian said it like I didn't come 1043 00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:42,000 Speaker 2: this far to only come this far, right, And so 1044 00:49:42,560 --> 00:49:44,600 Speaker 2: whatever I did something with that she did, I mean 1045 00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:46,640 Speaker 2: she did something with that, and now, but now everybody, 1046 00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:48,759 Speaker 2: I was saying that to myself before Kim Kardashian said 1047 00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:51,000 Speaker 2: it out loud, and so I always laugh now when 1048 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,399 Speaker 2: I say it to myself. But it's like a reminder, right, 1049 00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,719 Speaker 2: like you didn't put in all of the work just 1050 00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:58,960 Speaker 2: to show up and not show up for yourself, And 1051 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,000 Speaker 2: so I can really relate to what you're saying here. 1052 00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:03,560 Speaker 2: It's like, no, like this is how it is now. 1053 00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,719 Speaker 2: I am a competitor and I'm here to compete. So 1054 00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:10,520 Speaker 2: when someone comes to your Instagram page, they see this 1055 00:50:10,640 --> 00:50:13,359 Speaker 2: professional runner. If they know anything about your history, they 1056 00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:17,240 Speaker 2: know your accomplishments. But when you look in the mirror, 1057 00:50:17,280 --> 00:50:19,440 Speaker 2: what is it that you see looking back at you? 1058 00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,440 Speaker 3: Oh? Varies wildly. 1059 00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:22,799 Speaker 2: Yeah. 1060 00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:25,960 Speaker 3: Day to day? How did I sleep less night? 1061 00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:28,319 Speaker 2: Sub seven hours? More than seven hours? 1062 00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:33,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would say, I just like I see someone 1063 00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:36,560 Speaker 1: like I'm proud of, Like I'm like proud of the 1064 00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:38,919 Speaker 1: athlete like I see in the mirror every day that's 1065 00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:41,440 Speaker 1: like getting ready to like go out for her run 1066 00:50:41,600 --> 00:50:45,279 Speaker 1: and like following her routines because you don't always wake 1067 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,920 Speaker 1: up with like the same motivation or like the same energy. 1068 00:50:48,120 --> 00:50:51,400 Speaker 1: But when I like see that person in the mirror, 1069 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,520 Speaker 1: I'm like, no matter what she's going to put her 1070 00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:55,799 Speaker 1: shoes on, she's going to do her hair, she's going 1071 00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:57,640 Speaker 1: to put her hat on, and she's going to like 1072 00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:58,480 Speaker 1: get the miles in. 1073 00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:03,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting that you said I see an athlete, which, yes, 1074 00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,040 Speaker 2: you are an athlete. But when you look in the mirror, 1075 00:51:06,080 --> 00:51:08,440 Speaker 2: do you always start with like that GUIs of who 1076 00:51:08,480 --> 00:51:08,759 Speaker 2: you are? 1077 00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:10,040 Speaker 3: I think so. 1078 00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's probably a lot to do with just 1079 00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:15,000 Speaker 1: because it's like the first thing I do, Like that's 1080 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:18,000 Speaker 1: how I start my day. Is like running is literally 1081 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,319 Speaker 1: the first third of my day. It's not like I 1082 00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:22,319 Speaker 1: can like take off my running stuff and like be 1083 00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:26,120 Speaker 1: just Erica for like a few hours. Like she doesn't 1084 00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,920 Speaker 1: wake up until like nuone. Erica the athlete is up 1085 00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:30,960 Speaker 1: at like five point thirty, but like Erica the person 1086 00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,799 Speaker 1: doesn't show up until like afternoon. 1087 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,560 Speaker 2: What about Erica the person makes you proud? 1088 00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,400 Speaker 1: That's a good question. Wow, I don't think about that 1089 00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,120 Speaker 1: a lot. Yeah, she exists for sure. 1090 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:44,960 Speaker 2: Right now it's harder to think about her than usual. 1091 00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:46,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, she's really good at reading. 1092 00:51:47,360 --> 00:51:48,160 Speaker 2: What does she like to read? 1093 00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:48,800 Speaker 3: Variety? 1094 00:51:49,320 --> 00:51:53,239 Speaker 1: Like love good historical fiction, the romanticy books are super fun, 1095 00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:54,880 Speaker 1: but also love a good nonfiction. 1096 00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:56,400 Speaker 3: Variety is a spice of. 1097 00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:57,560 Speaker 2: Life, varieties, a space of life. 1098 00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:58,200 Speaker 3: You love everything? 1099 00:51:58,239 --> 00:51:59,880 Speaker 2: Okay, what about regular Erica makes you. 1100 00:52:00,480 --> 00:52:03,840 Speaker 1: How present she is like the same as it's super 1101 00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:06,400 Speaker 1: similar to like Eric the athlete, but like Eric and 1102 00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:09,320 Speaker 1: the person's just like here for a good time, whatever 1103 00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:12,879 Speaker 1: I'm doing, wherever I am in the world. Just being 1104 00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:16,000 Speaker 1: able to like fully embrace those moments or like the 1105 00:52:16,040 --> 00:52:19,880 Speaker 1: people around you, like I am so so content to 1106 00:52:20,040 --> 00:52:24,600 Speaker 1: just like look at a good tree. It could be 1107 00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:27,279 Speaker 1: the highlight of my week, or like a really like 1108 00:52:27,840 --> 00:52:29,640 Speaker 1: cool bird, or like what. 1109 00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:31,840 Speaker 2: Makes a good tree? Is it fuller? 1110 00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:35,200 Speaker 1: Oh? It depends, just like tell me, yeah, I mean 1111 00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,840 Speaker 1: I would say definitely, Like the leaves are probably the 1112 00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,000 Speaker 1: first thing you notice, but even like out of season, 1113 00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,799 Speaker 1: like the size of them, the shape of them, how 1114 00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,040 Speaker 1: the branches twist. But like I don't know, sometimes you 1115 00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:47,640 Speaker 1: just like walk by a good tree and you're like 1116 00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:50,799 Speaker 1: that that's nice. That's a nice Yeah. But just like 1117 00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:54,640 Speaker 1: being able to like find beauty and like joy and 1118 00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:58,480 Speaker 1: like very like nondescript things like I could just like 1119 00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:01,680 Speaker 1: you know, get a good rock. 1120 00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,200 Speaker 2: I'm losing it. 1121 00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,840 Speaker 1: It doesn't take much to make Eric of the person happy, 1122 00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:11,080 Speaker 1: and like I love that about her, like it's not like, 1123 00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,200 Speaker 1: oh I like need this, this, this, and this. 1124 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,920 Speaker 3: It's like even on like a rainy day, like there's 1125 00:53:16,000 --> 00:53:16,960 Speaker 3: something out. 1126 00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:21,240 Speaker 1: There that's like not super expensive, not super like intricate, 1127 00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,640 Speaker 1: there's like something that will like make me happy. 1128 00:53:23,800 --> 00:53:24,799 Speaker 3: I love that. 1129 00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:27,640 Speaker 2: I love that for you too. Yeah, that is something 1130 00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:32,120 Speaker 2: that sometimes takes work. That's an attitude or a viewpoint 1131 00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,640 Speaker 2: that takes work to get to. Often I have felt 1132 00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,479 Speaker 2: in my life, at least up until like the last 1133 00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,319 Speaker 2: few years, that there were more things than that I 1134 00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:45,160 Speaker 2: needed than I actually do. And I co sign that 1135 00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:47,840 Speaker 2: getting to a place where I understand what it's like 1136 00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:51,680 Speaker 2: to be present has really helped with that, because there 1137 00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,560 Speaker 2: can be so much joy in these small moments, but 1138 00:53:54,680 --> 00:53:57,399 Speaker 2: you have to have an understanding of that and then 1139 00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,560 Speaker 2: open yourself up to the fact that there can be 1140 00:54:00,120 --> 00:54:02,919 Speaker 2: just so much goodness in a really beautiful tree also 1141 00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:06,399 Speaker 2: spoken like such a new Englander. We do have really 1142 00:54:06,480 --> 00:54:08,120 Speaker 2: good treating, really good treats. 1143 00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:09,520 Speaker 3: It falls right around the corner. 1144 00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:12,440 Speaker 2: Oh my god, don't bring me this joy. I think 1145 00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:14,320 Speaker 2: when we get back from Tokyo, it's going to be 1146 00:54:14,440 --> 00:54:16,920 Speaker 2: like Chef's kits that's going to be so good chef's 1147 00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:19,520 Speaker 2: kiss here. Yeah, you talked about the challenges that came 1148 00:54:19,560 --> 00:54:22,560 Speaker 2: hand in hand before showing that starting line in Boston 1149 00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:26,719 Speaker 2: for your marathon debut. Obviously a very different climate surrounding 1150 00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:30,240 Speaker 2: you right now as a Brooks athlete and working with Kurt. 1151 00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,240 Speaker 2: What has it meant for you to be a Brooks 1152 00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:36,040 Speaker 2: athlete in this build up at such an important time 1153 00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:36,880 Speaker 2: of your career. 1154 00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:41,680 Speaker 1: I feel really safe because there's no fear that like 1155 00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,879 Speaker 1: if I have a bad day, I'm going to get 1156 00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:47,239 Speaker 1: dropped or like they're going to think less of me. 1157 00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,680 Speaker 1: And additionally, like the team that Brooks has been able 1158 00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,040 Speaker 1: to like put together over the last few years, just 1159 00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:56,920 Speaker 1: the energy on this roster has been absolutely incredible and 1160 00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,959 Speaker 1: it's just like so contagious. When Susannah ran and should 1161 00:55:00,480 --> 00:55:02,719 Speaker 1: we were all like freaking out, And then I ran 1162 00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:04,960 Speaker 1: in Houston and everyone was so excited for me. And 1163 00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,080 Speaker 1: then Jess crushed Boston and we were so excited for her, 1164 00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,879 Speaker 1: And like, the group chats have been incredible, Like the 1165 00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,160 Speaker 1: energy at like headquarters have been incredible, and you're just 1166 00:55:14,239 --> 00:55:17,440 Speaker 1: like you're not afraid to really go for it because 1167 00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,640 Speaker 1: you know they will catch you if you fall. Yeah, 1168 00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:21,120 Speaker 1: so like that's what it's been like to be a 1169 00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,719 Speaker 1: Brooks athlete is you're like, I can shoot as high 1170 00:55:23,760 --> 00:55:25,680 Speaker 1: as I want to because I know like they'll still 1171 00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:28,719 Speaker 1: be behind me if I miss, But also like that's 1172 00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:30,200 Speaker 1: the only way you're going to get to the top 1173 00:55:30,280 --> 00:55:31,720 Speaker 1: is if you really go for it. 1174 00:55:31,719 --> 00:55:34,160 Speaker 2: It's so cool now to see the three of you 1175 00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,720 Speaker 2: gearing up. Where were you when you got the news 1176 00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:39,479 Speaker 2: that Jess was going to be coming into the mix 1177 00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:40,080 Speaker 2: for Betsy. 1178 00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,000 Speaker 1: That's really funny. I think I was home when I 1179 00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,479 Speaker 1: like literally saw this statement. Yeah, but like a couple 1180 00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,279 Speaker 1: months before that, there had been like rumblings, but there 1181 00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:51,759 Speaker 1: was like obviously nothing public to like believe in it. 1182 00:55:52,320 --> 00:55:56,080 Speaker 1: But Alophine, another Brooks athlete, was in our group chats 1183 00:55:56,120 --> 00:55:58,440 Speaker 1: like consistently like guys, it's going to be an all 1184 00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:00,880 Speaker 1: Brooks team, Like this is incredible, and we're like, Alophine, 1185 00:56:00,920 --> 00:56:02,839 Speaker 1: there is no reason for you to say this. 1186 00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:03,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, don't hype us up. 1187 00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:04,200 Speaker 3: Like yeah. 1188 00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:06,719 Speaker 1: There was like this six week period of us being like, oh, 1189 00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,560 Speaker 1: would be nice, and then when we all like saw 1190 00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:12,920 Speaker 1: the posts, I like texted Jess immediately, even though it 1191 00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,320 Speaker 1: was like I checked the time because she's in Phoenix 1192 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:18,040 Speaker 1: and I was like, ooh, it's like five am her time. 1193 00:56:18,080 --> 00:56:20,440 Speaker 3: And then I was like, but it's hot, so I. 1194 00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:22,839 Speaker 2: Think she's awake, she's got to get out. 1195 00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,120 Speaker 3: She was like up before five am, and I was like, oh, 1196 00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:25,799 Speaker 3: I love this. 1197 00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,319 Speaker 2: Oh my god. Who's most active in the group chat? 1198 00:56:28,440 --> 00:56:31,000 Speaker 1: I would say the one with like me, just and Susannah, 1199 00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:33,840 Speaker 1: Like Jess and I are probably like equally as active, 1200 00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:34,680 Speaker 1: but it's because Susannah. 1201 00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:36,360 Speaker 3: I don't think it's on her phone pots. 1202 00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,239 Speaker 2: You're the one. She's just the one that's liking everything. Yeah, like, 1203 00:56:41,239 --> 00:56:41,919 Speaker 2: oh this looks good. 1204 00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:43,600 Speaker 1: Like between the three of us, I am the one 1205 00:56:43,600 --> 00:56:46,600 Speaker 1: that's like on TikTok ninety percent of the day while 1206 00:56:46,680 --> 00:56:47,400 Speaker 1: they're at work. 1207 00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:48,239 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 1208 00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:50,680 Speaker 3: Well again, someone has to hold down the fort. 1209 00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:53,279 Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying exactly right now, you have an 1210 00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,360 Speaker 2: opportunity to offer yourself a piece of advice. Let's go 1211 00:56:55,360 --> 00:56:57,520 Speaker 2: back to that difficult Boston build up. Knowing what you 1212 00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:01,200 Speaker 2: know now, going through that hurdle moment, what would you 1213 00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:01,960 Speaker 2: tell yourself? 1214 00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:04,640 Speaker 1: I think I would tell myself to just like not 1215 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:08,879 Speaker 1: panic quite as much, because when you know, I towed 1216 00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:11,160 Speaker 1: the line like not feeling one hundred percent, like the 1217 00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:14,359 Speaker 1: whole thing was so scary, and like it's okay when 1218 00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:16,600 Speaker 1: things are really scary. I mean, Houston was scary, but 1219 00:57:16,640 --> 00:57:20,160 Speaker 1: I was much better prepared for it. But I also 1220 00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,040 Speaker 1: was like much better equipped to like handle that panic 1221 00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,320 Speaker 1: instead just being like, oh no, like it's not going perfectly, 1222 00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:27,280 Speaker 1: like what do I do? 1223 00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:28,360 Speaker 3: How do I pivot? 1224 00:57:28,560 --> 00:57:32,280 Speaker 1: But because I was like kind of sick going into Boston, 1225 00:57:32,360 --> 00:57:34,400 Speaker 1: it was so new to me, I like didn't quite 1226 00:57:34,520 --> 00:57:36,640 Speaker 1: know what to do with myself because I was like, 1227 00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:39,760 Speaker 1: I don't know how you're supposed to feel fifteen miles 1228 00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:42,800 Speaker 1: into a marathon, Like this is uncharted territory for me, 1229 00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:45,360 Speaker 1: so I don't know if this is like normal bad 1230 00:57:45,720 --> 00:57:47,560 Speaker 1: And everyone kept telling me like there's going to be 1231 00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,120 Speaker 1: like long bad stretches and like they'll go away, and 1232 00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,280 Speaker 1: I'm like what does that even mean? Like how is 1233 00:57:52,320 --> 00:57:54,280 Speaker 1: that supposed to feel? But I would just tell her 1234 00:57:54,400 --> 00:57:58,920 Speaker 1: to like relax, like it'll be fine, you will finish, 1235 00:57:59,000 --> 00:57:59,720 Speaker 1: you will do great. 1236 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:03,000 Speaker 2: You don't know what you've never done. And it is 1237 00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:05,680 Speaker 2: so easy to be hard on ourselves for something that 1238 00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:09,000 Speaker 2: we have no control over. But what's the point, right, 1239 00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:12,120 Speaker 2: And so for you to be in this place now 1240 00:58:12,200 --> 00:58:15,920 Speaker 2: where you have this understanding, like you know what A like. 1241 00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,320 Speaker 2: It's important to me, but it's not that serious. And 1242 00:58:19,400 --> 00:58:21,400 Speaker 2: all I can do is truly the best I can 1243 00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:24,880 Speaker 2: with what I have. What an opportunity there isn't that. Yeah, 1244 00:58:24,960 --> 00:58:27,160 Speaker 2: I'm so happy that you came into the studio today. Yeah, 1245 00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:29,480 Speaker 2: this is so fun Erica. For those that aren't following 1246 00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:31,920 Speaker 2: along with you, just yet give us your information how 1247 00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:32,720 Speaker 2: they keep up with you. 1248 00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:36,720 Speaker 1: I really only post on Instagram, so I'm tiny Rick 1249 00:58:37,080 --> 00:58:40,000 Speaker 1: on Instagram. It is a Rick and Morty reference from 1250 00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:42,680 Speaker 1: like eight years ago, but it's there. 1251 00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:44,320 Speaker 2: But it's there, and that's where they can find you. 1252 00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:47,200 Speaker 2: I'm over at Hurdle Podcasts and at Emily a Body 1253 00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,120 Speaker 2: another hurdle conquered. Catch you guys next time.