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Speaker 2: Welcome to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast, brought

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Speaker 2: to you by Citizens Official Bank of the Giants, John

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Speaker 2: Smoke with you. We bring back one of the friends

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Speaker 2: Now with the thirty third Team. Sam, before we get started,

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Speaker 1: Linebacker get it, folks. It's a pun. Yes, it's good stuff,

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Speaker 1: all right.

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Speaker 2: So I know you're really concerned with the playoffs right now,

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Speaker 2: and you're doing me a favor by kind of looking

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Speaker 2: ahead to where I don't know, two thirds of the

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Speaker 2: legas right now?

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Speaker 1: Are three quarters of the leguas right now?

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Speaker 2: Right where for agency's gonna hit us in about a

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Speaker 2: month and a half, give her take. And we were

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Speaker 2: texting back and forth when we were setting this up

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Speaker 2: and the way you kind of started the conversation, boy, John,

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Speaker 2: not a great year to be looking for players in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's true for a lot of teams, right.

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Speaker 3: You kind of look at some of the teams that

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Speaker 3: they've got a ton of cap space, they've got you know,

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Speaker 3: bad news, this is a terrible year to have a

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Speaker 3: ton of cap space and free agent spending money because

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Speaker 3: it does not look like a good free agent class.

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Speaker 3: And it feels like we've been saying that, you know,

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Speaker 3: year on year for a while now, that it's kind

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Speaker 4: This is bad even by those standards.

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Speaker 3: I think generally, you're seeing teams getting better at, you know,

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Speaker 3: just operating within a salary cap and managing their roster,

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Speaker 3: and you know, you're just not having the same level

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Speaker 3: they're prioritizing their own players. They understand where to spend

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Speaker 3: the money, and you're just not seeing these marquee free

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think really your best bet now is find

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Speaker 2: those are the teams that I think really have to

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Speaker 2: Those are the teams where I think you're probably gonna

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, I mean there's definitely always teams that have enough

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Speaker 3: there's a bigger chance they're gonna let that guy hit

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Speaker 2: Right, so let's let let's not bury the lead here.

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Speaker 2: We'll be talking about quarterbacks all offseason for the Giants.

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Speaker 2: The only guy they have the rights to this next

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Speaker 2: bridge potential quarterbacks in this free agency class. What do

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you know, bridge quarterback is obviously one term

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Speaker 3: and that's a better way of doing this than than

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Speaker 2: But I think Donald, by the way, he's probably still

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Speaker 4: Well, that's the thing.

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Speaker 3: I think Donald is still a really intriguing name because

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Speaker 3: we had fifteen games worth of really good, you know,

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Speaker 3: almost like somebody just pushed the reset button on him

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Speaker 2: Back to the source code, Sam back to the source code.

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Speaker 2: All the updates were just eliminated from the computer.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, like they just flashed his memory right, put him

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Speaker 4: Right, the Raiders.

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Speaker 3: Won themselves out of contention, maybe the Giants, like, there

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Speaker 3: that's Sam Donald as the most likely of these reclamation

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Speaker 3: Aaron Rodgers is an elephant in the room for these teams.

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Speaker 3: Do you want to be hitching your wagon to Aaron

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Speaker 4: Absolutely not. Are you going to be desperate enough to

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Speaker 3: So Rogers is an intriguing name for that reason. Justin Fields,

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Speaker 3: Each one of them is an interesting name for slightly

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: I think for the Giants to balancing how good you

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Speaker 2: of this this this thing, right You might think, well, yeah,

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Speaker 2: I'm just throwing numbers out there where I think the

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Speaker 3: And do you just want, you know, a legitimate bridge

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Speaker 3: ten million dollars, who could play if they needed him to.

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Speaker 3: But such a mad roller coaster ride for him. But

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Speaker 3: think each one of these guys fits a slightly different profile.

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Speaker 3: If you're drafting Russell Wilson, I would say the less

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Speaker 3: this point to somebody new. If you're signing justin Fields

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Speaker 3: And then I mean, I'm kind of at this point

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Speaker 3: I have no idea what Sam Donald is based off

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Speaker 3: the last nine months of his game.

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Speaker 1: Hoddle up, get in here. If you're lined up here,

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Speaker 1: you gotta go over the middle with at the score great.

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Speaker 2: How do we make that happen?

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Speaker 3: Think the ceiling is still very high. And one thing

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Speaker 4: Now, it's not going to improve. This is what you're

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Speaker 2: And I wonder how first, you know, there's been so

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's the key, because like it's t Higgins,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's interesting. All right, Let's go to

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Speaker 2: the offensive line quick here, Sam. I think inside there

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Speaker 2: You know Tevin Jenkins is a guy with some guard

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think that's a pretty good summation

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Speaker 2: Yeah, or maybe based on the Becden the path here,

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Speaker 2: the defensive side of the bowler, Sam. I do think

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Speaker 3: like he was going to be anything, and again finally

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Speaker 3: has just hit the ground running this year in the

441
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Speaker 3: contract year. So there's always that risk, But like those

442
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Speaker 3: are three guys that are all pretty young, all pretty

443
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Speaker 3: productive this year, and next to a guy like Dexter Lawrence,

444
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Speaker 3: you know, with the attention that he takes away from people,

445
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Speaker 3: you can imagine any one of those three guys absolutely

446
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Speaker 3: cooking on this defensive line.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you. One hundred percent.

448
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Speaker 2: Let's jump to the defensive backfield corner and you could

449
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Speaker 2: talk about the class too. Why don't we start with

450
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Speaker 2: how you would approach the cornerback position when you're looking

451
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Speaker 2: at for Asian sam Because you're all volatile. This can

452
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Speaker 2: be one year a guy can be a top five

453
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Speaker 2: corner next year maybe he's the twenty fifth best corners,

454
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Speaker 2: just the way it goes year to year at that spot.

455
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Speaker 2: So if you're attacking that quarterback position and you want

456
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Speaker 2: to do it in free agency, the Giants already of

457
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Speaker 2: a bunch of young guys. They need a veteran to

458
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Speaker 2: kind of stabilize that group. How would you attack it

459
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Speaker 2: and think about it when you are trying to improve

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Speaker 2: that group in free agency?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you have to just be aware that

462
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Speaker 3: that is a risk, right that you can be signing

463
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Speaker 3: these veteran guys, and even if you have a really

464
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Speaker 3: good guy, the good guy can have a bad year

465
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Speaker 3: and it doesn't necessarily mean that he's gonna be a

466
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Speaker 3: bad player. I'd be really intrigued in just bringing DJ Reid,

467
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Speaker 3: you know, keeping him in New York and bringing him

468
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Speaker 3: across to the Giants. I mean, he's been a really,

469
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Speaker 3: really good player for the Jets, And obviously all the

470
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Speaker 3: attention was on Sauce Gardner and how good he was

471
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Speaker 3: right at the start of his NFL career, But DJ

472
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Speaker 3: Reid has been playing spectacularly at various periods, and even

473
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Speaker 3: his down years on that defense, we're pretty good. He's

474
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Speaker 3: a veteran, he's established, you know, he's got a lot

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Speaker 3: of consistency in his game, and I think he's still

476
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Speaker 3: young enough that you're not scared of this is the

477
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Speaker 3: year he just goes off the cliff and he's not

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Speaker 3: the same player again. So I think he takes a

479
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Speaker 3: lot of your boxes in terms of consistency, veteran, presidence, leadership,

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Speaker 3: and young enough that you're not expecting him to just

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Speaker 3: completely drop off the first year you sign him.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: I think that's interesting a guy like you know, even

484
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Speaker 2: guys like Byron Murphy, Sante, Samuel, Carlton Davis, these are

485
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Speaker 2: all guys in their twenties that I think, depending on

486
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Speaker 2: what scheme you run, they've all had success in the league,

487
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Speaker 2: and I think you still got to like where they

488
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Speaker 2: are that they have a lot left in the tank.

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Speaker 1: And I don't think he's going to be top of

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Speaker 1: the market. Twenty million a year.

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Speaker 2: Guys, either you can get him, probably at a semi

492
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Speaker 2: reasonable price, kind of in the who is the cornerback

493
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Speaker 2: the Bengal signed over from Dallas? That was good for them.

494
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Speaker 2: The name escapes me, But a player kind of like that,

495
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Speaker 2: who's going to sit in be a good starter and

496
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Speaker 2: isn't going to break the bank.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, Like, I don't think any of these

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Speaker 3: guys are going to be hitting the top of the market. Like,

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Speaker 3: none of them are the perfect clean prospect, right that's

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Speaker 3: sort of twenty five year old that's already a star

501
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Speaker 3: and it's hitting the next big deal, and you're going

502
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Speaker 3: to be trying to reset the market and hit that

503
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Speaker 3: maximum best paid cornerback in the NFL deal. I think

504
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Speaker 3: all those guys have already been re signed by the

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Speaker 3: team that drafted him.

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Speaker 4: And you have the other guys.

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Speaker 3: You have the guys that are either the next contract

508
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Speaker 3: on and are still looking for another payday. But I

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Speaker 3: think you're right, it's not None of these guys are

510
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Speaker 3: absolutely going to shatter the bank thrill. You're gonna have

511
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Speaker 3: to pay them solid starter money, but you're not resetting

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Speaker 3: the position.

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Speaker 2: Jerdobe A Wuzie wasn't name I was looking for there,

514
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Speaker 2: kind of that solid starter safety class.

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Speaker 1: What do you think of this group?

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Speaker 2: Sam Giants Dave Jason Pinnock as a free agent, they

517
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Speaker 2: might want to try to make a move there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think the safeties, it's a solid group.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of.

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Speaker 3: Like, big hitting type of safeties in this group. A

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Speaker 3: couple of years ago we got all the kind of

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Speaker 3: free safety safeties hitting the market, and this year we've

523
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Speaker 3: seem to be getting more of the the in the box, roving,

524
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Speaker 3: strong safety, robber type of safeties. Javon Holland I think

525
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Speaker 3: is a potential superstar with Miami. I think he's had

526
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Speaker 3: elite plays Talanoa Hufengo for the forty nine ers. He's

527
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Speaker 3: had a lot of injuries, but he makes a difference

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Speaker 3: when he's on the field. And then you've got Cameron

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Speaker 3: Byam for the Minnesota Vikings, a guy that they love

530
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Speaker 3: and they've played a lot of those three safety packages

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Speaker 3: and he's been a significant part of that defense. I

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Speaker 3: would imagine they wanted to keep him around because I

533
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Speaker 3: think Harrison Smith is hitting the market as well potentially

534
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Speaker 3: and is reaching the end of his amazing career for

535
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Speaker 3: them as well, and you probably don't want to let

536
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Speaker 3: that amount of your secondary hit free agency at the

537
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Speaker 3: one time. But he's definitely an intriguing name that I

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Speaker 3: would be looking at kind of bringing over and almost

539
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Speaker 3: turning into the bigger name in my secondary as opposed

540
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Speaker 3: to the forgotten guy within the Vikings defense.

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Speaker 2: All Right, finally, before we say goodbye, here saim not

542
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Speaker 2: even really giving me names of guys. If you're the Giants,

543
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Speaker 2: you're sitting here with the third overall pick, You've had

544
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Speaker 2: only three wins last year. The year before, you know,

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Speaker 2: the record was a little bit better, but the results

546
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Speaker 2: still weren't good. How would you go about approaching free

547
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Speaker 2: agency when you have, like, you know, over forty million

548
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Speaker 2: and have a lot more next year, You're going to

549
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Speaker 2: have a quarterback on the roster? Won't you be your

550
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Speaker 2: approach to free agency this year? If you were in

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Speaker 2: Joe Shane Shootes.

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Speaker 3: I think you wanted to just start eliminating weaknesses, you know,

553
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Speaker 3: eliminating massive problems on the roster. And you know the

554
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Speaker 3: Patriots are a good example of this. Last year, right

555
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Speaker 3: you they decided that the Giants were on the phone.

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Speaker 4: You know, we want Drake May. We love this guy.

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Speaker 3: We want to come up and and take him. We'll

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Speaker 3: offer you this trade package. And eventually the Patriots like,

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Speaker 3: now we like him too. We're gonna stick at this

560
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Speaker 3: guy and take our quarterback. And it's like, okay, well,

561
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Speaker 3: now you drafted your quarterback and so far he looks

562
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Speaker 3: like the guy like Drake May looks fantastic, but.

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Speaker 4: It's like, how do you how do you build around him? Now?

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Speaker 3: Right, You've got to find receivers and you've got to

565
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Speaker 3: find offensive lineman because you have the worst offensive line

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Speaker 3: and the worst receiving core in the NFL on paper.

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Speaker 3: And they threw a ton of draft picks at that,

568
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Speaker 3: and almost none of them look to be doing anything

569
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Speaker 3: so far. Maybe they'll work out down the line, but

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Speaker 3: you know their answer was to basically just shotgun that

571
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Speaker 3: with draft picks and hope, hope for the best. You know,

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Speaker 3: the Giants I think need to be like, Okay, look,

573
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Speaker 3: we've got some weak spots on this roster. Let's tick

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Speaker 3: them off as much as we can. We don't need superstars.

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Speaker 3: We don't need guys that are going to come in

576
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Speaker 3: and completely revolutionize the position. We just need to be

577
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Speaker 3: in a position where we don't have to draft the

578
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Speaker 3: guy in the second round, the third round, and he

579
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Speaker 3: needs to be okay otherwise we're in trouble.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: We need to start trying to fill in those positions

582
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Speaker 3: in free agency and just solidify spots that are problem areas.

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Speaker 3: Right now, let me just follow up, and then we'll

584
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Speaker 3: say goodbye.

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Speaker 2: Knowing that maybe it's not this year, but soon enough,

586
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Speaker 2: you hope to be adding a young quarterback that's going

587
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Speaker 2: to be your franchise guy long term. Right, do you

588
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Speaker 2: put more resources into the offense to set that player

589
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Speaker 2: up as best you can with protection and weapons so

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Speaker 2: that whenever he gets here, he's not going into a

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Speaker 2: situation like drey Maka was going in, like Drake May

592
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Speaker 2: was going to last year, or other quarterbacks that have

593
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Speaker 2: stepped into bad situations which hinders their development.

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Speaker 3: I think so, I mean, I think when you have

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Speaker 3: a situation like that, I think number one, offense is

596
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Speaker 3: kind of harder to piece together than defense anyway, because

597
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Speaker 3: you need, you know, five offensive linemen, three plus receiving weapons,

598
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Speaker 3: all those kinds of things. So if you have the

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Speaker 3: young quarterback, you need the situation around him to be

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Speaker 3: as good as you can get it.

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Speaker 4: Otherwise he's going to struggle.

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Speaker 3: If you don't have the young quarterback, you have a

603
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Speaker 3: veteran option who by definition is not as good as

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Speaker 3: the other options. Otherwise you wouldn't have had a shot

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Speaker 3: at him in the first place, and that guy needs as.

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Speaker 4: Much help as possible to be okay.

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Speaker 3: So either way, you need to make the supporting cast

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Speaker 3: as good as you can and then if and when

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Speaker 3: you find your quarterback, like defense can kind of fall

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Speaker 3: into place pretty quickly. You can get a couple of

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Speaker 3: players and suddenly just up the level of the defense

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Speaker 3: a little bit.

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Speaker 4: But the big needle movers have a quarterback play. So

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Speaker 4: I think in.

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Speaker 3: All ways you are better served trying to make the

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Speaker 3: offense as good as you can make it. And then

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Speaker 3: once everything's finally in place right now, let's start attacking

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Speaker 3: the defensive side a little bit and dedicate our attention

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Speaker 3: in that direction. So yeah, yea, I think the Giants

620
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Speaker 3: would absolutely be best served. Let's try and fill in this

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Speaker 3: offense as much as possible, whether or not we're getting

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Speaker 3: our quarterback this time around, or whether or not we

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Speaker 3: have to tread water and figure it.

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Speaker 4: Out for a year. But let's fix all the weaknesses

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Speaker 4: that we.

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Speaker 1: Have, all right, Sam, good stuff.

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Speaker 2: Tell the folks one more time where they can find

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Speaker 2: all the work that you're doing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, check the mic podcast either on YouTube or wherever

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Speaker 3: you get your podcasts.

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Speaker 1: Good stuff, Sam, Talk to you se, my friend.

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Speaker 2: Are you going to be either at the Senior Bowl,

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Speaker 2: Shrine or combine or all three?

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Speaker 3: I think we're going to be at the Senior Bowl,

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Speaker 3: the super Bowl and the.

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Speaker 4: Combine is the current plan.

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Speaker 1: Very good. I will see you in Mobile in a

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks, my friend.

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Speaker 4: That's good.

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Speaker 2: Dan Monsen from the thirty thirteen on the Johnsontle Podcast,

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Speaker 2: brought to you by Citizens Official Bank of the Giants.

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Speaker 1: We'll see you next time. Everybody,