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Speaker 6: You're so right. You're so right, James, you are so uppointed. No,

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Speaker 1: And God forbid you ask. God forbid you ask, because

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Speaker 5: Everybody sleep, everybody sleep, get up, get up, get up,

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Speaker 5: get out, and there's no again. It's it's it's you know,

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Speaker 5: we know these tactics. We read about these This is like,

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Speaker 1: That, you know, in general, like you know, I literally

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Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, hopefully we'll share that with you. I mean

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Speaker 1: I mean they're gonna fight at tooth and nay, they're gonna.

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Speaker 5: So that's been difficult.

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Speaker 1: People will started following me doing activities and trying to

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Speaker 5: Period.

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Speaker 1: I am this is me fully where what the consequences are?

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Speaker 5: I think he was a lieutenant or whatever the ranking is.

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Speaker 1: They can't be doing this in my house again, my house.

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Speaker 1: The guy owns the place, all right. So I'm like, listen, yeah,

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Speaker 5: So he's like you can't do this. This is ridiculous.

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Speaker 5: I call her. They were still asleep at seven in

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Speaker 1: I later found out that she did get the voicemail,

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Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, So I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Tell you man, you know, it's just a no man's

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Speaker 5: Why are you taking people's DNA? Like, what's going on?

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00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,280
Speaker 1: I told him, like, what are you accusing us for?

441
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: Like what is the accusation exactly? He said, You're not

442
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,800
Speaker 1: accused of anything, and what am I guilty of? You're

443
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,159
Speaker 1: not guilty of anything, So why are you taking my DNA?

444
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,080
Speaker 1: And then when he's just because this is the guy,

445
00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 1: the main guy, this is the guy that I saw

446
00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 1: coming in in the intake and then laid on an outcake.

447
00:23:10,400 --> 00:23:12,280
Speaker 1: He's got like twenty screens in front of him, he's

448
00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 1: manning the border. He's like, you know, it's the main guy.

449
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 1: Like I said, it's him.

450
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,719
Speaker 5: So I told him, do you have your DNA? Your

451
00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:21,680
Speaker 5: own DNA? Taking? He said yes, I did. Okay, I

452
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:23,520
Speaker 5: told him if your DNA was taken and you can

453
00:23:23,600 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 5: take mine, that's fine.

454
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: So they're taking people's DNA to put it in the database,

455
00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,919
Speaker 1: and if you don't sign, they don't let you.

456
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 5: They don't let you out. So you can stay there

457
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 5: indefinitely until you do your DNA. How is this okay?

458
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:37,280
Speaker 2: Yeah?

459
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 5: And you're not guilty of anything, James. You're not gilty

460
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:43,679
Speaker 5: of anything. That's the key. So you're not guilty of anything.

461
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:47,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I understand if you're arrested for a misdemeanor

462
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:48,240
Speaker 1: or a felony.

463
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Speaker 5: And you know, you know in states they take the DNA,

464
00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 5: I get it.

465
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:56,520
Speaker 1: But if you're there's no accusation, there's no guilty, And

466
00:23:56,600 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 1: yet you're taking my DNA for what for what?

467
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 4: So?

468
00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 1: So so it was really rough. It was really rough,

469
00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,000
Speaker 1: and they were very very nasty. I mean, one lady,

470
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 1: miss Diaz, I will never forget her, Officer DEAs. I mean,

471
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 1: she was cussing left and right, left and right, left

472
00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,080
Speaker 1: and right, and then I lost it, man, when I

473
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:21,640
Speaker 1: when when she had me for I think they had

474
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:22,040
Speaker 1: me do.

475
00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:25,199
Speaker 5: Sign papers again? All right?

476
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,959
Speaker 1: So I was simply asking, why am I saying signing

477
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:29,000
Speaker 1: the same papers again?

478
00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:31,000
Speaker 5: Do you want to leave? What do you want to leave?

479
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:32,000
Speaker 5: Do you want to leave? What you want to leave?

480
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,560
Speaker 1: And then on the same time, James, as she talks

481
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:39,000
Speaker 1: to me, she pauses, she looks at her colleagues, and

482
00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 1: she's smiling to them, and she's talking to them so nice.

483
00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,359
Speaker 5: I simply told he, look, why are you talking nicely

484
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:46,800
Speaker 5: to your friends and you're so mean to us that?

485
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:48,159
Speaker 5: Why why are you doing this? Like?

486
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 1: What is what is the problem? Did I did I?

487
00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 1: Did I call your names? Did I say something bad?

488
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,959
Speaker 5: No? But you're not my friend. Yeah. But even if

489
00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 5: I'm not your friend, why are you cussing at me?

490
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 5: Why are you saying these bad things? That shuts her down?

491
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,880
Speaker 5: That totally shut out down, James. I mean, it was a.

492
00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,280
Speaker 1: Completely different person after that, because it was in front

493
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Speaker 1: of her boss.

494
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 5: It was in front of her boss.

495
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Speaker 1: I mean, I'm telling you, man, they're just this is

496
00:25:10,920 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: what happens when you have zero accountability zero. I mean, anybody,

497
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:21,960
Speaker 1: this is basic fruit in understanding of psychology one O

498
00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:25,919
Speaker 1: one that if you give someone ultimate power, they're going

499
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 1: to take advantage.

500
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 5: And you know, I don't know what to tell you, man.

501
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:32,520
Speaker 5: I feel bad for the people in that attention because

502
00:25:33,840 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 5: you know, I'm.

503
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:37,399
Speaker 1: Not saying they're being tortured, but it's just a you know,

504
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 1: the little drops of water on your head, Yeah.

505
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 5: You know, the little you know, after a while, you

506
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:45,159
Speaker 5: can turns out. So there's one guy from Russia that

507
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,720
Speaker 5: was there for three weeks, wow, three weeks.

508
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:50,359
Speaker 1: There's one guy from Brazil that was there for a week.

509
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 1: Come on, man, I mean seriously, like that's too much.

510
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:55,000
Speaker 5: Yes, too much.

511
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:57,679
Speaker 2: So that's crazy.

512
00:25:57,720 --> 00:25:59,200
Speaker 5: You know, that was horrific.

513
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,880
Speaker 1: And then when I was leaving, uh, I found out

514
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 1: that they put the wrong address on my release form.

515
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,000
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know if you know anything

516
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:12,240
Speaker 1: about the US immigration bureaucracy, James, it is horrific. It

517
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,400
Speaker 1: is horrific. All it takes is the one the wrong

518
00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: digit in the address, they send the paperwork to the

519
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:17,879
Speaker 1: wrong address.

520
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:19,520
Speaker 5: Oh, we did it, we sent it. We don't care.

521
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:21,159
Speaker 5: We don't care, you know what I mean. And then

522
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,920
Speaker 5: you're basically waiting all your life. And then that's pretty

523
00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 5: much what happened to me before when I was in

524
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Speaker 5: the United States.

525
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,400
Speaker 1: And then you know, they don't care always to take

526
00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,560
Speaker 1: it up with the with the US Postal Postal Service.

527
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:32,879
Speaker 5: Are you serious? Like you know he was going to

528
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:34,639
Speaker 5: put someone in jail and because he sent them the

529
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 5: wrong address.

530
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Speaker 1: Anyhow so, anyhow so I came back from the bus,

531
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,000
Speaker 1: the buses loaded, we're leaving. I came back to look,

532
00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: you got you know, you got the wrong address here, Like,

533
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 1: you know, what's going on?

534
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 5: Do you want to leave? What do you want to stay?

535
00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 5: Do you want to leave?

536
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 1: That's all that's all they talk about. It's like a

537
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 1: favor she's doing. It's not like a law thing. It's

538
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 1: not the pro due process. No, no, I'll be more

539
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 1: than happy to stick you in there because you complain

540
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,920
Speaker 1: about it. That a mistake that we made on your form.

541
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Speaker 2: It's just yeah, the whole thing, it's it's just just

542
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,639
Speaker 2: don't need to make it as cruel and as hard

543
00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 2: and people of people have died in the outdoor attention

544
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,760
Speaker 2: in another site, not the place where you were in

545
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 2: San Diego, right like, And it's a tragedy and it

546
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 2: it doesn't have to happen, and it doesn't have to

547
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 2: be disandignified. And yeah, I didn't. I think maybe people

548
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 2: will have disagreements about the immigration, the different immigration laws,

549
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:36,639
Speaker 2: and they might feel differently to the way I do

550
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 2: what you do, David do, But I don't think anyone

551
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 2: in their right mind would really justify the way you've

552
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,640
Speaker 2: been treated. And you can multiply that by thousands, right,

553
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 2: and you're fortunate enough to be in relatively good health

554
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,520
Speaker 2: and not too young or not too old or not

555
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,159
Speaker 2: sick for this to be a deadly trip or right.

556
00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,639
Speaker 2: And still it's obviously had a massive effect on you.

557
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,639
Speaker 2: And I can understand why, I mean.

558
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,800
Speaker 1: I'm having a little bit of nightmares againest with you,

559
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: because what bugs me the most is those kids.

560
00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 5: Uh.

561
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:13,600
Speaker 1: And then on top of it, it's overwhelming because I

562
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 1: was thrust in a position where sadly, I mean, I

563
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 1: had to pick up for a lot of people. I mean,

564
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: you know, yes, it's my family tragedy, I mean is

565
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,120
Speaker 1: an issue. But I mean, you know, I don't want

566
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,400
Speaker 1: to talk too much about what I did in Tunisia,

567
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,400
Speaker 1: but I was standing up against corruption and against bribery

568
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,640
Speaker 1: and things like that, and it costed me a lot

569
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: of problems. And it cost me, I mean, being in

570
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:43,040
Speaker 1: a blacklist in a government that's ever going negatively.

571
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 5: You know, I'm jailing activists and jailing for speech.

572
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 1: It said that that Tunisia, the home of the Arab

573
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: spring now is turning into another dictator ship sadly, so

574
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,080
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't want to use that as a reason,

575
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: but I mean it is what ruined my personal life

576
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:06,840
Speaker 1: because I was constantly being you know, harassed and pushed

577
00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: and shopped by Dunesian you know, ay holes.

578
00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:12,080
Speaker 2: Uh.

579
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: And then here I am to find myself and you know,

580
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: like with a Dejah who kind of feeling with these

581
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: gratuities themselves for nothing, So that that kind of triggered

582
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 1: me a lot big time.

583
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 5: James and uh uh. And then I felt like, you know,

584
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 5: what is life worth? I mean, I know I'm coming

585
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,200
Speaker 5: from my kids near the love of my.

586
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: Life and and then my wife as well, but you know,

587
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:42,880
Speaker 1: I want them to remember their dad as someone.

588
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 5: Who sticks up for fathers and you know the.

589
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: You know, James, the the most difficult part were was

590
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: David mentioned the Persian.

591
00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 5: Guys running guys.

592
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: You know, I got annoyed a little bit, James, because

593
00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: they were really lining up behind me and holding my hand,

594
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: begging me to help them get out.

595
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 5: Yeah, and because I'm the only one that.

596
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: Spoke the language, and it felt like, you know, they

597
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:19,560
Speaker 1: didn't have any recourse and the detention center.

598
00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:24,520
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna let you, James. That was very difficult.

599
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 5: It was very difficult.

600
00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 1: That was very I felt like when I was leaving,

601
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 1: I was leaving friends, brothers, brothers behind, and.

602
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 5: That stuck with me. Dude.

603
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just a few people specifically that really really,

604
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: really really was.

605
00:30:46,040 --> 00:30:53,880
Speaker 5: Stuck on me. And uh, it's just, uh, what is

606
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 5: this world before? What are we doing all this poor?

607
00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 5: It was a genuine decent human being. This country needs

608
00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 5: as many workers and as many new citizens as possible.

609
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:10,480
Speaker 5: Instead of just shoving these people with hatred, just align them,

610
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,240
Speaker 5: just give them a chance, just rehab, just kind of

611
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 5: make sure they know the langualges they do all this

612
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,440
Speaker 5: and be good. They all want to work, they all

613
00:31:18,480 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 5: want to be good. Nobody that I met there is

614
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 5: into drugs or anything. You know. It's just it sucks

615
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 5: because it's not you. It's not shooting you yourself on

616
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 5: the foot. It doesn't make sense. And I really felt

617
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 5: really sad and on a.

618
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: On a lighter note, getting into eventually released and getting

619
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:48,120
Speaker 1: on the bus and going to the Central uh the

620
00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 1: Central Elementary.

621
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 5: I believe its call.

622
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: And I just got out of the bus and I

623
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:58,320
Speaker 1: can hear the voices.

624
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 5: Everybody is calling. I'm like, it's getting dark and I

625
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 5: can't see. I can't see the people.

626
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:10,719
Speaker 1: But I found like at least twenty or eighteen people

627
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,640
Speaker 1: that I that were with me there and they were

628
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:16,239
Speaker 1: like they were crying and they were like thank you,

629
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, and uh, you know, it was

630
00:32:19,760 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: it was. It was really hard woman. It really was

631
00:32:23,280 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: really hard woman. And I appreciate that the that they

632
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:30,400
Speaker 1: recognized what we did. We tried to do a bunch

633
00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 1: of more Italians, Colombians, Mexicans, Ecuadorians, Uh, I mean, you

634
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 1: name it. It was just a Turkish, uh An older gentleman, Iranian,

635
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:46,520
Speaker 1: the Iranians, the same Iranians that that that that I

636
00:32:46,560 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: helped get onto the bus from from Willow the same guys.

637
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: Eventually all I found them Central and it was really

638
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: nice to see them and for them to just literally

639
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 1: jump on me most and tell me thank you in

640
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 1: so many languages.

641
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:08,120
Speaker 5: I appreciate that. So I just hope all this, this.

642
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: This, this kind of get somewhere where they understand that

643
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be this way. It really doesn't.

644
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: And we're not asking. I'm not asking either get more

645
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: people or do this. I'm just saying there is little

646
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: tweaks that are not meant to increase the integration or

647
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 1: or make it impossible or anything.

648
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 5: It's just little tweaks to, you know, to get this

649
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 5: system a little better, that's all. That's all I'm saying.

650
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, make it a little kinder. And I think like

651
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,480
Speaker 2: it's always that way, right, Like it's people helping each

652
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 2: other even when the government doesn't help them, and like, yeah,

653
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 2: yeah we just got use. I was there yesterday that

654
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 2: that all the shelters at one of the sites were

655
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 2: torn down, so like it's we'll have to go back

656
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 2: and build them again. But yeah, yeah, people will pick

657
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 2: because I think we all at least, or let's hear,

658
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 2: I think people should be treated with dignity and that

659
00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,000
Speaker 2: they deserve a little better than their being given currently.

660
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 2: And have you been able to reunite with your your

661
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,800
Speaker 2: children yet or is that so in your future?

662
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:19,839
Speaker 1: Yes, it's it's uh technically on Thursday, I suppose you're

663
00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,040
Speaker 1: not with them. I am getting there on steps. I'm

664
00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:27,160
Speaker 1: financially not viable right now. I'm relying on some friends

665
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: to who got me up to Los Angeles right now,

666
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:36,200
Speaker 1: and then we're collecting money for gas and uh my

667
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,200
Speaker 1: wife Lauren will be coming down on Thursday with the kids,

668
00:34:40,239 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 1: and then we're gonna go to her mom's in Lancaster

669
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,719
Speaker 1: for a Christmas party that she does, and then from

670
00:34:46,719 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: there we'll make it back up to Pisonal. And in

671
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: this move, my wife was sheltering in uh at her sisters.

672
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: But the house is overcrowded and there's no way I

673
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:02,839
Speaker 1: can stay there. I'll be That's something that I'm trying

674
00:35:02,880 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: to figure out and where to stay. And I don't

675
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:09,000
Speaker 1: have friends up there and don't have anything. Uh, So

676
00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: that's uh, it's a problem that I'm having to deal with.

677
00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 1: And at the same time, I was given April twelve

678
00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: as a court date uh and by Nis and I

679
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: have to.

680
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 5: Deal with a lawyer to contact the lawyers, and they're expensive.

681
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: The pro bono lawyers uh that we called, uh, they

682
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:30,480
Speaker 1: don't take they're not taking new cases.

683
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 5: So it's.

684
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: I knew it was going to be difficult, but when

685
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: you're in it and it's uh, you think that will

686
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: be kind of a little better. But it's definitely not

687
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: looking good. But you know, it'll be close to my

688
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:51,439
Speaker 1: kids somehow, and that's what matters to me. But it's

689
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,239
Speaker 1: just a struggle. I was a Congressmanship of Plase. I mean,

690
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:57,680
Speaker 1: what kind of resources you have for immigrants. I just

691
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: need a little bit of a you know, start so

692
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: I can get back on my feet. And they kept

693
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 1: them in touch since I was in Africa through the trip.

694
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: They're the only congress office that at least interacted with us,

695
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,960
Speaker 1: me and my wife. But you know, she looked at

696
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: me from from behind the glass door and she said

697
00:36:21,360 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: good luck. She sent me the county Immigrant Affairs office, uh,

698
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 1: you know linked.

699
00:36:30,040 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 5: And she told me good luck and then uh and

700
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,439
Speaker 5: said bye bye, and that's all that she did.

701
00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:41,919
Speaker 1: So it's uh, it's tiring and not giving up, of course,

702
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,720
Speaker 1: but it's just it's very difficult change.

703
00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's yeah, it shouldn't be this hard. It's complicated,

704
00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,240
Speaker 2: or this taxing, especially in your family here already.

705
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 5: I'm just trying to be I don't.

706
00:36:56,239 --> 00:36:58,880
Speaker 1: I mean, my wife is on welfare and they keep

707
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: cutting her welfare smaller and smaller, just you.

708
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 5: Know, two kids.

709
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 1: I just need a chance to get up the back

710
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:08,479
Speaker 1: on my feet and be a good father to work.

711
00:37:08,560 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 5: And I can't work right now. I'm not allowed to work.

712
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I have to find money, money for the lawyer.

713
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,800
Speaker 5: I have to find money for me and my kids.

714
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: It's really quite a humbling experience. And I know I

715
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: don't want to rely on anybody, but I mean.

716
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 5: It's just it's just it's hard. It's hard.

717
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, no it is. And like I don't know how

718
00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 2: people are expected to pay for their legal representation when

719
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 2: they're also expected not to work. It's just it's a

720
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,719
Speaker 2: system that seems to design to be as cruel and

721
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 2: complicated as possible.

722
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 1: Yet you know, the jobs are available, The jobs are available, James.

723
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: I mean I contacted about four or five places. My

724
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: previous work experience in LA and California was logistics and

725
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:57,279
Speaker 1: parental and stuff like that.

726
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 5: I told my previous bosses.

727
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: They all told me, come more work, you know, get

728
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:02,759
Speaker 1: your steps up figured out and come over.

729
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 5: We'll find a job. So we have plenty of vacancies basically,

730
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 5: I mean you know so uh but you know here,

731
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 5: you are here, you are there, you are Yeah.

732
00:38:15,200 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 2: Then like it's it's I've heard so many of these stories.

733
00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 2: But and then stop upsetting me. And I'm glad in

734
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 2: a way because you know they're bad and they shouldn't.

735
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 2: They should be upsetting to everyone who is and I'm

736
00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:31,880
Speaker 2: sure everyone who is this will want to do whatever

737
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:44,879
Speaker 2: they can to make this a little easier. And then,

738
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 2: like any orgs or nonprofits that have been helping you

739
00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 2: since you've got in the US, so you think.

740
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 5: People should oh man, nothing nothing. I mean it's been

741
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 5: you know those who call.

742
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,719
Speaker 1: Very Shan trick as far as Asian, very Kens or

743
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 1: this or that is very specific.

744
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:10,240
Speaker 2: But yeah, the time of everyone, it's I'm telling you,

745
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 2: no joke.

746
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:12,960
Speaker 1: And if you're a father trying to make it to

747
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 1: your kids and trying to you know what I mean,

748
00:39:15,280 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: do right by your kids.

749
00:39:17,040 --> 00:39:20,240
Speaker 5: Doesn't mean anything, nothing, absolutely nothing.

750
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:22,560
Speaker 1: So that's terrible.

751
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:22,879
Speaker 5: Man.

752
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the first Christmas. This is the first

753
00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: Christmas for the kids outside of their where they grew up.

754
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: I really wanted to make it as family friendly and

755
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,400
Speaker 1: happy as possible, but I don't even have the capacity

756
00:39:40,520 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: to give them gifts or anything, or or or even.

757
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 5: I don't know. This is gonna be.

758
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 4: Hard, Yeah man, it is.

759
00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:54,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah man. Sorry, that's that's okay.

760
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just I'm just a drop in an

761
00:39:57,640 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 1: ocean of of of the spare when it comes to immigrants,

762
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:05,919
Speaker 1: and I'm getting messages from some of them in New York,

763
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 1: some of them in UH North Carolina, some of them

764
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:16,560
Speaker 1: in UH and in Illinois, a couple in California. I mean,

765
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 1: they're they're still desperate for help, and especially with language

766
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 1: and all that. So you know, I'm grinding and they're

767
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: doing the best I can. But you know, it's a

768
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 1: reality check. It's a reality check joke.

769
00:40:32,560 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it's it's it's really. I mean, it's sickening

770
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 2: how quickly you can be like kind and nothing when

771
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,040
Speaker 2: the state doesn't care about you. But I want to

772
00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 2: thank you so much for giving us your story and

773
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:47,200
Speaker 2: your time and being so open with us, because I

774
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 2: think that's the only way that this stuff changes is

775
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 2: that people here like number numbers are great and and

776
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 2: your story is one of tens of thousands, but I

777
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 2: think sometimes we need to hear individual stories to understand true,

778
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:01,600
Speaker 2: the human impact.

779
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:05,120
Speaker 5: Of this true, true, true, And like we'll stay in touch.

780
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,920
Speaker 2: You have my phone number. Anything you need, anything we

781
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:09,440
Speaker 2: can do for you.

782
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I can't. I can't wait to come

783
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: down to the border. I'm not giving up on the border, dude,

784
00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 1: I'm not. I want to bring at some point my

785
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 1: kids to see the price, and then I want to contribute.

786
00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 5: I want to find a way to give back. I

787
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:26,000
Speaker 5: want to. I know I can't do it right now,

788
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 5: but I send my.

789
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:29,319
Speaker 1: Mom in my mind, and I know I'm not going

790
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: to give up on that, on that on that dream

791
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 1: of coming back there and continue to help with the volunteers.

792
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 2: That's very kind of Yeah, well when you come down

793
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 2: that me know, bring some ray tools and we can

794
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 2: we can build some sounds.

795
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,919
Speaker 5: Good sounds, good fun.

796
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 4: I mean, so I'm just like I'm just for processing. Yeah,

797
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 4: me too, for processing this.

798
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:52,879
Speaker 3: And like hearing Amos say all this is like fuck,

799
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 3: like that's that's the conversation right, just with what he's

800
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 3: saying in his accountability is human nature. Like something in

801
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,319
Speaker 3: the way that he was saying that, I was like

802
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 3: taking a piles on everything that I want to just

803
00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:06,799
Speaker 3: share because I really like it hit to the core

804
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 3: of like my own frustration with our response is it's

805
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 3: not getting to the point that like what he was

806
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 3: what he was saying other words right now to say

807
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:17,520
Speaker 3: that my mind is now totally much.

808
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:21,360
Speaker 2: Well ended there. I do want to give both of

809
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 2: you a chance to plug any and all organizations so

810
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 2: you think can help, and because the people will get

811
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 2: to listen to this will break up to two parks.

812
00:42:32,560 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 2: People will want to alleviate the suffering, and there are people,

813
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 2: including yourselves and myself, trying to do that. So if

814
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,640
Speaker 2: there's an organization that you'd like to plug, fundraiser you'd

815
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 2: like to plug, please do well.

816
00:42:44,680 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 7: Just the way the conversation ended, the thing that I

817
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 7: was thinking is you know, just a you know, anybody

818
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 7: listening to the to what Amos has said, just one

819
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 7: one very small but perhaps a meaningful thing would be

820
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 7: to do something to enable him to buy some presents

821
00:43:10,560 --> 00:43:11,200
Speaker 7: for his kids.

822
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 4: I think that would be pretty cool.

823
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 6: M m m m m m