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Speaker 2: of night Cap. I'm your favorite unk, Shining Sharp. He's
Speaker 2: your favorite Number eighty five, the newest member into the
Speaker 2: Cincinnati Bengals Ring of Honor, Chad o.
Speaker 3: Jo Cinco Johnson.
Speaker 2: God, you got the sunglasses on, so I know it
Speaker 2: wasn't real, but I know you cried me a real
Speaker 2: Oh justin Timberlake.
Speaker 3: Oh, justin Timberlake.
Speaker 1: I trust me. I didn't cry. But I'm feeling good. Listen,
Speaker 1: I'm happy.
Speaker 3: Let us y, let me see YI right quick.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you cried, you cried, You cried in the car,
Speaker 2: but you're trying to call.
Speaker 1: I walked to the stadium. I walked to the stam
Speaker 1: and I walked back here because I want to be
Speaker 1: I wanted to be amongst the people. I wanted to
Speaker 1: be among the people. Yeah, I want to be amongst
Speaker 1: the people. And I wanted to feel that the love
Speaker 1: that I have missed for over a decade and some change.
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what it was. I had my kids
Speaker 1: walk with me, had had the missus walking with me,
Speaker 1: had too came out to support me. Man, really, man, listen,
Speaker 1: that felt good, man, That felt good to have my
Speaker 1: family with me, and then my extended family, my extended
Speaker 1: family of eighty thousand out there screaming that name here
Speaker 1: and at Oho, just the same way you explained it yesterday.
Speaker 2: You you go into the Ring of Honor with a
Speaker 2: former a colleague of mine, Boomer Sassin.
Speaker 3: So tell me what what was that moment?
Speaker 2: Like you walking down as the half is about to end,
Speaker 2: you and your family and your your family and friends.
Speaker 2: You start to walk down and now all of a
Speaker 2: sudden you're on the field and you start to get
Speaker 2: a little quil like, oh man, this thing about to happen.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what I kept thinking about happy thoughts
Speaker 1: and what I tried not to do. I tried not
Speaker 1: to go back to everything it took to get to
Speaker 1: this point, because if I thought about everything it took
Speaker 1: to get to this point, as far as making it
Speaker 1: too and getting that phone call from Mike Brown, and
Speaker 1: then all the ups and down throughout my career, then
Speaker 1: the tears would have started flowing. I thought, happy thoughts.
Speaker 1: I kept looking at my kids, I kept looking at
Speaker 1: the crowd, the focus and keep my keep myself locked
Speaker 1: in so I don't cry. But that moment, I took
Speaker 1: it all and I enjoyed it. You only get one
Speaker 1: of them, You only get one of them, You only
Speaker 1: get one of them, and man, I'm gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: save it that moment, man, forever.
Speaker 3: I'm surprised.
Speaker 2: I also, knowing how close you were to your mom
Speaker 2: and grandmother and how special it would have been had
Speaker 2: they been there, your mind just for a second, didn't
Speaker 2: go there as a damn I wish mama.
Speaker 1: I purposely stayed away from that. I'm just telling you
Speaker 1: I was was able to come compartmentalize mama everything else
Speaker 1: that was bad the journey to get to this point,
Speaker 1: happy thoughts. Steer in the crowd, make eye contact one purpose,
Speaker 1: one person in the crowd, and stay on that. You know,
Speaker 1: I I did. I didn't want to do it. I did.
Speaker 1: I didn't want to break down in that moment. Even
Speaker 1: though it would have been tears of joy, it would
Speaker 1: have been tears of sadness because I'm thinking about my mama,
Speaker 1: not here. I'm thinking about my grandma not here. Now,
Speaker 1: what's gonna happen behind closed doors? When I get back
Speaker 1: to Miami tomorrow. Guess where I'm going with my ring
Speaker 1: on the jacket. I'm going to the graveyard. They they
Speaker 1: buried right next to each other. So when I had
Speaker 1: that moment with them, let them let them see their baby.
Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on, well you almost caught me. Hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on.
Speaker 3: You see that baby, Mama, granted I did it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let me get back right, Let me get back right.
Speaker 1: You almost got me, You got me. Let me stop
Speaker 1: talking about that. But yeah, mom, I had that moment
Speaker 1: with them tomorrow. I had that moment with them tomorrow, man,
Speaker 1: and they deserve it. So says they couldn't be here.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go ahead and bring it to them.
Speaker 3: You going to them?
Speaker 2: The Bengals, Okay, you guys win nineteen sixteen, a very
Speaker 2: hard fall ball game. Joe Burrow's dealing with that calf injury.
Speaker 2: Thirty one pass attempts in the first half, forty nine
Speaker 2: attempts for the game. Yeah, is your I are your
Speaker 2: Bengals back?
Speaker 1: My Bengals are back. They're not back and not efficient
Speaker 1: is what we're used to seeing. But this is the start.
Speaker 1: This is the start. I told you something about the Bengals.
Speaker 1: We always start zering too, all the time.
Speaker 3: All the time.
Speaker 1: I think. I think statistically, Chase is not where he
Speaker 1: wants to be. Joe knows he's not where he wants
Speaker 1: to be because of two slow starts. Obviously, we're used
Speaker 1: to putting up big numbers, even though they were losses
Speaker 1: most of the time at the beginning of the seasons.
Speaker 1: But this is a start. This is a confidence building
Speaker 1: for us offensively, it's a confidence builder for us defensively,
Speaker 1: and I think it's a foundation on something that we
Speaker 1: can start off and keep on making a run, you know,
Speaker 1: through the rest of the season, especially what it's having
Speaker 1: two losses already in AFC North.
Speaker 2: Since that is not going three straight games, three games
Speaker 2: in a row without scoring a first half touchdown?
Speaker 1: Is that concerning for you? It's not concerned. It's all
Speaker 1: about that. It's all about us offensively starting fast. And
Speaker 1: I'm sure Zach and that offensive offensive coordinator they will
Speaker 1: they will get in in that field room and find
Speaker 1: out what works best for them. Again, I think when
Speaker 1: you change your tendencies. When you change your tendencies and
Speaker 1: what teams know you're going to do because they've had
Speaker 1: so much success offensively, I think teams are ready. They're
Speaker 1: ready for everything they've seen. They're ready for the new
Speaker 1: wrinkles that you do throw at them. So change the
Speaker 1: tendencies a little bit. If if, if you if, if
Speaker 1: you know him for running on first down, let's throw
Speaker 1: let's let's let's let's uh, let's throw the first If
Speaker 1: you know him for running on first down, you know,
Speaker 1: just just little stuff like that, just change it up
Speaker 1: so you're not so predictable.
Speaker 2: How much is Joe burrow mobility impacting what this offense
Speaker 2: can do? Because we know Joe, Joe is a guy
Speaker 2: that can rely on his legs, he can get outside
Speaker 2: make plays, not only throwing the ball but also running
Speaker 2: the ball.
Speaker 3: How much of its mobility has hampered this offense?
Speaker 1: I think it's hampered it a little bit. Is hampered
Speaker 1: a little bit, But I'll take a seventy percent Joe
Speaker 1: Burrow over other NFL teams quarterbacks quarterback at I'm just
Speaker 1: saying because Joe is poised. He's a pocket passer first,
Speaker 1: and he runs when he has to correct, not just
Speaker 1: to be not just to be doing so. So the
Speaker 1: fact that he is hampered, he's still great at being
Speaker 1: a pocket passer, and with minimal movement he can still
Speaker 1: be very efficient from the pocket.
Speaker 2: I thought your defense played really well last tonight when
Speaker 2: you look at it. The Rams got into the red
Speaker 2: zone a bunch, but you made them settle for field goals.
Speaker 2: Bill go gets your beat touchdowns when you games wins
Speaker 2: your championships. So I was really pressed with Hendrix, and
Speaker 2: those guys were able to get off the field even
Speaker 2: though the Rams consistently found themselves in your red zone.
Speaker 3: They did.
Speaker 1: This is what you call the definition of a bend.
Speaker 1: But don't break defense. We're gonna let you in. You're
Speaker 1: on fire. Wrinkle, you gonna get a wrinkle here. We'll
Speaker 1: let you get We'll let you get in here. But
Speaker 1: once you get to this certain part an area in
Speaker 1: our territory, in the field, in the red zone, that's it.
Speaker 1: And it's just in a testament to the difficulty and
Speaker 1: how difficult it is for teams once you get in
Speaker 1: the team's red zone. On how hard he is a score.
Speaker 1: It's very difficult to score. But you only have so
Speaker 1: much space to work with, and there's only so much
Speaker 1: you can do and call right.
Speaker 2: And so if the guy makes a mistake because there's
Speaker 2: there's limited space.
Speaker 3: He can make up for it.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, the other game of the night the Eagles
Speaker 2: in the Bucks twenty five eleven. If I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 2: that might have been the first time in NFL history
Speaker 2: that a game is ended twenty five to eleven. The
Speaker 2: Eagles four hundred and seventy two yards held Tampa one
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy four yards one by fourteen on the road,
Speaker 2: kept the ball for almost ten minutes to end the
Speaker 2: ball game.
Speaker 3: Esez, I don't know how much of that.
Speaker 2: I know you saw a little bit of this ball game,
Speaker 2: but what was what was kind of your takeaway? The
Speaker 2: Eagles twenty five eleven over the Bucks.
Speaker 1: Listen, it was hard for me to watch the game
Speaker 1: in his in his totality to be able to really
Speaker 1: give an assessment, a fair assessment on how the game went.
Speaker 1: But I was hoping. I was hoping, I'm just gonna
Speaker 1: be honest, I was hoping that Baker could pull a
Speaker 1: game like this off because I haven't heard the praise,
Speaker 1: the praise for Baker for what he's been able to
Speaker 1: do with the Bucks and his start.
Speaker 3: What are you doing?
Speaker 1: What was their record, Shannon? What were the Bucks record
Speaker 1: when last year.
Speaker 3: They won the division?
Speaker 1: No, I'm talking about Okay, yes, that's that's a good start,
Speaker 1: you know, because that was because the Baker Mayfield and
Speaker 1: what he's been doing offensively as a quarterback. I can
Speaker 1: tell you. But again, the Eagles came The Eagles came
Speaker 1: away with this game. It was it was, it was
Speaker 1: a good game. But I just think the Bucks were
Speaker 1: out matched offensively, they were out matched defensively. And obviously
Speaker 1: Eagles are polished. They're very polished that they're a playoff team.
Speaker 1: They are contended this year, and they did exactly what
Speaker 1: they needed to do to come out and win a
Speaker 1: game against a team that they should be.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought the Eagles.
Speaker 2: I mean, when you look at it, they did win
Speaker 2: by two scores, they won by fourteen. But I still
Speaker 2: think the Eagles got another gear they can play with.
Speaker 2: Hurts hurt even though they won by fourteen. If you
Speaker 2: watch this game, Hurts had some costly turnovers that really
Speaker 2: hurt his team. And I mean he was trying to
Speaker 2: get the ball to AJ and AJ had a good game.
Speaker 2: Drop the touchdown he probably wish you had back. But
Speaker 2: I'm still I'm still not I know Jalen Hurts has
Speaker 2: another level and just because I saw it last year
Speaker 2: that he can get to that.
Speaker 3: He's not quite there yet.
Speaker 1: He's not quite there yet. But this is what I
Speaker 1: love about the beginning of the season. You got to
Speaker 1: get the rust out, you got to get the cowboys out.
Speaker 1: The fact that players don't plan in the preseason, and
Speaker 1: I think this is a testament to how important the
Speaker 1: preseason is to get your cham down, to get your
Speaker 1: timing down, to get that timing down, especially the reps.
Speaker 1: I think people people the casual I don't want to
Speaker 1: be rude, the casual fan that watches the game. When
Speaker 1: that watches the game, what you see on Sundays is
Speaker 1: very much different than what we do in practice. You
Speaker 1: can run and practice three hundred and sixty five days
Speaker 1: a year. When you get into that game, nothing is
Speaker 1: the same. It's completely different. It's completely different feeling and
Speaker 1: I don't even know how to explain it. It's just
Speaker 1: completely different, which is why reseason is so important. But
Speaker 1: he's going to be the more games they play. Person
Speaker 1: is gonna get into that rhythm and that magic you
Speaker 1: talking about that he showed last year.
Speaker 2: There's something that happens in a game that doesn't happen
Speaker 2: in practice. It's called adrenaline. It's called that that fight
Speaker 2: of flight, that fear of failure in the game, and
Speaker 2: you don't know these guys, and it's like, but I've
Speaker 2: always felt that practice for me was harder than the
Speaker 2: game because I'm going up against a guy that I've
Speaker 2: been going up against in practice for three four years.
Speaker 3: He knows all my moves, you know, release, he knows.
Speaker 2: All your okay shop. I see you at the top
Speaker 2: of the numbers, all I know what you're about to do.
Speaker 2: You had open that split up. I know you're about
Speaker 2: to run this bang on me. So when I get
Speaker 2: to the game, yeah, he's watching tape, but he doesn't
Speaker 2: know the nuances of a guy that sees me every
Speaker 2: day in practice. So I really felt that if I
Speaker 2: could beat the guys in practice that I had gone
Speaker 2: up against every day two three four years, the game
Speaker 2: was gonna be relatively easy for me. But like we
Speaker 2: talked about earlier in a couple of episodes, OJO preseason
Speaker 2: was so important for me to get my breathing down,
Speaker 2: to get my timing down, get my rhythm down. I
Speaker 2: needed to get my spidery sense in tingling for Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I needed that now. I told you, I told you,
Speaker 1: I told you before. Obviously my pissed Marvin off a
Speaker 1: few times, you know, having the call time out to
Speaker 1: get me out of the preseason game before before I
Speaker 1: helped myself before I hurt myself. And I told Marv,
Speaker 1: I say, Mark, you understand how important this is to
Speaker 1: me to get my time time and down, to get
Speaker 1: that rhythm in chemistry, you know with Carson, and he
Speaker 1: just he wasn't going for it. But I really needed
Speaker 1: I think I still think to this day Marvel Lewis
Speaker 1: didn't understand the importance and how much priests it meant
Speaker 1: to me because a lot of players, the veterans, didn't
Speaker 1: want to do it. They didn't want to do it,
Speaker 1: they felt they didn't need it.
Speaker 3: I needed it. I needed it.
Speaker 2: I am because me it was all about breathing. It's
Speaker 2: about about steps. It's about you know, finding your way
Speaker 2: like in dep am I gonna rip?
Speaker 3: Am? I? How am I gonna get?
Speaker 2: Just working on a little small stuff Jalen Hurts has
Speaker 2: not rushed for twenty nine has twenty nine career touchdowns,
Speaker 2: passing Cam Newton for the most rush TVs by quarterback
Speaker 2: in his first.
Speaker 3: Fifty career games.
Speaker 2: What did you see from Jalen hurt Because the guy
Speaker 2: that came in mainly and we understood and we respected
Speaker 2: his legs. But although he is still a tremendous runner,
Speaker 2: he's become a very very good thrower of the football.
Speaker 3: You know what.
Speaker 1: That makes it very dig difficult for defensive coordinators because
Speaker 1: what you're gonna do with him, you can spire him
Speaker 1: and then you put a spy on him. You know
Speaker 1: what that means. That means somebody else is going to
Speaker 1: be open.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mebody coverage. Somebody else got.
Speaker 1: One on one coverage. And the fact that he has
Speaker 1: the weaponry he has at his disposal, they're going to, oh,
Speaker 1: they're going to always be a mismatch. So you have
Speaker 1: to pick your poison defensively, you want to spy hm
Speaker 1: or you just want to drop everybody back and he
Speaker 1: could beat you with your leg with his legs. It's
Speaker 1: on you, So pick your poison. You want to die
Speaker 1: fast or you want to die slow. Either way, you're
Speaker 1: gonna die.
Speaker 2: You know what I like most about Jayleen Hurst because
Speaker 2: but it just goes to show you that no matter
Speaker 2: where you start at, if you work at something, you
Speaker 2: can get incrementally better. Because if you look at the
Speaker 2: maturation that Jalen Hurst has gone through from the time
Speaker 2: that he got in, you can see he's a much
Speaker 2: better throw of the football. So that's when I say,
Speaker 2: when guys up, you watch a guy and you're like, man,
Speaker 2: he hadn't gotten any better since his rookie year, from
Speaker 2: his second year to his third year. As a matter
Speaker 2: of fact, that tells me now there's a difference between
Speaker 2: habit and hard work, because a lot of times people
Speaker 2: think because they do something over and over they're working hard,
Speaker 2: that's habit, right, Jalen Hurts has worked hard and he's
Speaker 2: made himself a very good throw of the football. I'm
Speaker 2: not saying he's ever gonna be Aaron Rodgers, but he's
Speaker 2: a better throw of the football. He's a more dangerous quarterback,
Speaker 2: a more complete quarterback than what he was when he
Speaker 2: ended the league.
Speaker 1: I have a question in the fact that you said
Speaker 1: that I think all quarterbacks work hard. I think all
Speaker 1: quarterbacks work hard because in order to get to this
Speaker 1: level and in order to reach the pinnacle of success
Speaker 1: in being one of the one percenters in the world,
Speaker 1: to make it to the NFL and play a particular position,
Speaker 1: we are the commander and the leader of a team,
Speaker 1: you have to work hard at it. Yeah, But I
Speaker 1: think what Jalen has is he has a great supporting
Speaker 1: cast at his disposable, at his disposal, and in fact,
Speaker 1: he is great himself and working to be great. So
Speaker 1: it's it's magnified that much more better on the work
Speaker 1: that he's put in. I think the other quarterbacks where
Speaker 1: they fail at is they putting the work and He's
Speaker 1: doing everything they can to be better, but they don't
Speaker 1: have the tools around them to allow that work present
Speaker 1: itself when the lights are on. If that makes sense.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question.
Speaker 2: If I gave you, if I gave you a two
Speaker 2: hundred piece toolbox, Yes, sir, if they fixed our car,
Speaker 2: what you're gonna do two hundred piece two other piece toolbox?
Speaker 2: If they fix this.
Speaker 1: Car, what you're gonna do, I'm gonna fix it.
Speaker 2: Sometimes you just don't know what the hell you're doing.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter the tools that you're working with, don't
Speaker 2: you other At some point in time you would have
Speaker 2: to come to that conclusion.
Speaker 3: I know you keep saying, give all this and all that.
Speaker 2: Hey, Jameis Winston had those same tools that Tom Brady
Speaker 2: had that he took to the Super Bowl after they
Speaker 2: missed the playoffs, and James threw thirty two.
Speaker 1: And he had excuse me, okay, thirty three touchdown three
Speaker 1: thirty three touchdowns, thirty interceptions. Right right, you're right, You're right,
Speaker 1: You're right. But I don't like the comparison because we
Speaker 1: talked about the greatest. We talked about the greatest quarterback
Speaker 1: of all time, but the great and Jameis Winston is
Speaker 1: a good quarterback.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm saying, but you've seen situations where guys
Speaker 2: come in and for whatever reason, guys will rally around,
Speaker 2: guys will play, will make slaves.
Speaker 3: Why you didn't make that.
Speaker 1: Play for you?
Speaker 3: Right? You can't some things you just can't offer an
Speaker 3: explanation for. Right.
Speaker 1: I think, I think individuals. I think the difference in
Speaker 1: quarterbacks to me, and it's it's up here. It's up here.
Speaker 1: Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Patrick Mahomes. The process that not
Speaker 1: only do they believe they have the skill set, they
Speaker 1: had the arm strength. But here they be and everybody
Speaker 1: up here they know what you're doing before you even
Speaker 1: do it. Yes, they know. They're seeing it before it
Speaker 1: even happens. And the game, the game to them is
Speaker 1: so slow. Yes, and you know exactly what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: When you was in what every year it may be
Speaker 1: when you when you hitting, when you're hitting your stride,
Speaker 1: it was so slow it guess in slow motion. That's
Speaker 1: when you know you locked in. And it's something. It's
Speaker 1: something man, Listen, Shannon, when it when you own, when
Speaker 1: you own, you know the year you had when you
Speaker 1: was owned on your own, Yeah, and every and everything
Speaker 1: is going in slow motion and it's like and you're
Speaker 1: seeing it before it even happened. And I think that's
Speaker 1: what Peyton Manning had, Tom Brady had, and they had
Speaker 1: it consistently year in and year out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what, but it takes a you we
Speaker 2: talk about these upper tier, upper level quarterbacks, we talk
Speaker 2: about the zero zero fifteen fifteen zeros point one only
Speaker 2: had like only a handful of ever reached that level.
Speaker 2: It takes a special type of lady to be in
Speaker 2: their life because when you hear the You've heard a
Speaker 2: lot of people say it's lonely at the top, the
Speaker 2: wife from the top tier quarterback, because it's almost like
Speaker 2: you're the mother and the father because you're doing so much,
Speaker 2: because you're living for the other person, because you take
Speaker 2: the kid, you shilling the kids, the practice and the recitals,
Speaker 2: and he's asking, okay, we got we got we got
Speaker 2: levels here, what's very very very very important that I
Speaker 2: can't miss.
Speaker 3: Very very important? And what's okay, hey I miss that.
Speaker 2: It's all good, So let me know so I can
Speaker 2: put this in my schedule because not only are you watching,
Speaker 2: you know, two three hours of film at work, they
Speaker 2: go home and they're going over and over and these
Speaker 2: guys keep notebooks of every defensive coordinator that they face.
Speaker 3: So if he ever becomes a head coach or if
Speaker 3: he goes somewhere else, they've got a book on it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, they know it's coming. And you know the
Speaker 1: funny thing about it, It don't change now much. Don't
Speaker 1: change whatever someone formula, formula is that formally goes with
Speaker 1: them and it travels wherever they go, so it doesn't change.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you play, you're gonna get you're gonna get pressure,
Speaker 2: gonna get pressure because a chip off his old day.
Speaker 3: He's like his dad.
Speaker 1: But they coming, Yeah, every time, every time.
Speaker 2: Uh, you know what, there's a lot being made. Jalen
Speaker 2: Hursts scored his tenth rush touchdown on the push sneak
Speaker 2: over the last two seasons.
Speaker 3: So it's that.
Speaker 2: It's like that that rugby scrum. What are your thoughts
Speaker 2: on that? Should they outlawed? Should they ban it? What's
Speaker 2: going on on you?
Speaker 1: I think you know, you know, if you if they
Speaker 1: if they're doing something that you don't like and you
Speaker 1: can't stop it, don't let him. Don't let him get
Speaker 1: down in the ring zone. Don't let him get down
Speaker 1: in the ren zone.
Speaker 3: Don't let him get thirty short and fourth and short.
Speaker 1: But there's no way to stop it. Then everybody else needed,
Speaker 1: everybody else needs to take take a page out they
Speaker 1: book and do the same thing.
Speaker 3: Well, everybody got a quarterback six hundred pounds.
Speaker 1: That boy squad six hundred?
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, that's what I see.
Speaker 1: That's crazy. You know, I can only do something fifty
Speaker 1: But you know I ain't. I ain't know even like that, right,
Speaker 1: I thought it was just me and Nick Chubb the
Speaker 1: squad like that. But that's that's that's good. Yeah, listen,
Speaker 1: there's no way to stop that. Ye, there's no way
Speaker 1: to stop that with the line, the offensive lineman, they
Speaker 1: just they just going low and then they got in
Speaker 1: the back. Then you got somebody pushing pushing you in
Speaker 1: the back.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: No, there's no way to stop that. Is it fair? No,
Speaker 1: it's not. Is it way to stop it? No, there isn't.
Speaker 1: But I mean, if if you make a rule, change
Speaker 1: in what's next, right, may change in what?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: I mean, you know what, because they've handicapped the defense
Speaker 2: so much so if they take that out of the
Speaker 2: offense exactly, I mean to make it fair because now
Speaker 2: you know incidental contact the defenss receiver, you know, helmet
Speaker 2: to helmet. You got so many you got so many
Speaker 2: rules and get the defense. I'm surprised we don't see
Speaker 2: more fifty to sixty point game score considering how they've
Speaker 2: taken the ability to punish the quarterback of punish the
Speaker 2: receiver out of.
Speaker 3: The ball game.
Speaker 1: Listen, it's a it's becoming a past happy league. And
Speaker 1: I think they've made it like that purposely, just so
Speaker 1: there's more excitement for the fans put up more and
Speaker 1: more points, and that is that is, that is where
Speaker 1: we're getting to an extent, to an extent, because I
Speaker 1: don't think we're gonna see a seventy a seventy gamer,
Speaker 1: a seventy bomb like we saw no between the Dolphins
Speaker 1: and the Broncos. But again, the NFL wants high scoring
Speaker 1: game because high scoring game breeds more eyes and more attention. Yes,
Speaker 1: and at the end of the day, we know what
Speaker 1: the bottom line is, more money.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look all that curious. Oh, I like
Speaker 2: old school football. I like ten seven. No, I don't.
Speaker 2: If I go to a baseball game, which is an often,
Speaker 2: I'm not trying to feel one nothing. I'm not trying
Speaker 2: to see a two one ball game. I want to
Speaker 2: see nine eight going over the fence. If it's basketball,
Speaker 2: I don't want to see like when I grew up.
Speaker 2: I mean in the nineties, the score was like eighty
Speaker 2: three seventy six. Now they get eighty points at the half.
Speaker 2: I want to see one thirty eight to one two.
Speaker 2: That's what I want to see.
Speaker 1: You say basketball, ain't nobody out there playing no defense?
Speaker 1: Huh No, they playing.
Speaker 2: But you know, back in the day, you know when
Speaker 2: the Piston, the Bad Boy Pistons and the Miami Heat
Speaker 2: and the Knicks where they were.
Speaker 3: Playing football basketball.
Speaker 1: The scores were low elbows. Yeah, you had you had
Speaker 1: to think twice before going through that lane for layups.
Speaker 3: And I don't remember the game flag re fives when? When? When?
Speaker 3: Who's that? That was? Who snatched Kevin McHale snatched Kirk
Speaker 3: Ramas out the area.
Speaker 2: With the last day and they started fighting. Hey, nobody
Speaker 2: got tossed. They're like, okay, hey, you shoot the two
Speaker 2: free throws and let's go again. The Bad Boy Pistol
Speaker 2: where they was snatching Jordan not there. They're like, nobody out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, time to change. Time to change. And I'm
Speaker 1: not I'm not gonna say people they haven't gotten soft.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying time to change. So everything has evolved
Speaker 1: where the rules had no choice but to change with
Speaker 1: the times.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Jets, you're someone Robert solid back of Zach Wilson.
Speaker 2: He says he's out, unquestion. You don't throw people away. Man,
Speaker 2: He's not the reason why we lost. He not the
Speaker 2: reason y'all won either.
Speaker 1: Listen, He's not the reason we lost either. So I
Speaker 1: told you what I need to do. I need to
Speaker 1: go and break down film, right, I said, I need
Speaker 1: to go see the film copy so I can get
Speaker 1: it better. Understanding what was happening. Zach Wilson was rattled.
Speaker 1: The score was close the entire game up into the
Speaker 1: fourth quarter. The score was close. Listen, it was you know,
Speaker 1: it was a great defensive game, right, it was a
Speaker 1: great defensive game from both sides of the ball. It
Speaker 1: was very difficult each type, each team to score, for
Speaker 1: each team to move the ball, because if they were
Speaker 1: moving the ball as efficient as they should have been,
Speaker 1: it would have been a few goals to goalre from
Speaker 1: both sides. But it wasn't. It wasn't. And the and
Speaker 1: the key time that Zach could have made plays or
Speaker 1: one one of the should have made the right decision
Speaker 1: on certain plays, he was flushed and couldn't make the throw.
Speaker 1: And based on what I could see from film, hold
Speaker 1: on to tell you that.
Speaker 3: This man, hold on, hold on this mannumber.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're right, you're right.
Speaker 3: Listen.
Speaker 1: Let's say they ran sixty five plays, right, Okay, I'm
Speaker 1: just I'm just throwing this out there. Said they ran
Speaker 1: sixty five plays offensively average, you know, out of sixty
Speaker 1: five plays. You know, one or one or two of
Speaker 1: those plays out of sixty five make the difference in
Speaker 1: that game. Of course, you know that. It's crazy. It's
Speaker 1: a crazy I don't even know that. I don't even
Speaker 1: know the set. I just know if you run sixty
Speaker 1: five some plays, it's one or two plays that make
Speaker 1: the difference in that game. But there was a play
Speaker 1: they ran it. It was covered two on one side.
Speaker 1: It's coming to on one side.
Speaker 3: Quarter quarter.
Speaker 1: Sticks, listen, safety. But it was on the far hash.
Speaker 1: There was a whole shot he could have hit. There's
Speaker 1: a whole shot he could have hit right, But I
Speaker 1: think I think he checked it down instead. I think
Speaker 1: he was just a little nervous and wanted to get
Speaker 1: the ball out of his hands when that would have
Speaker 1: been a nice hole shot he could have hitten. But
Speaker 1: from getting hit early on, getting flushed out, he just
Speaker 1: a little flustered and just wanted to get go for
Speaker 1: the safe throat. Stuff like that, Just small stuff like that.
Speaker 1: It's a difference in the football game.
Speaker 2: Think about the receivers if they would shy away like that.
Speaker 2: So we got hit in the first or the second quarter,
Speaker 2: third quarter, come first, fourth quarter, we wouldn't go across
Speaker 2: the middle and catch the ball. Ain't nobody gonna say, oh, well,
Speaker 2: you know he was a little flustered. He took a
Speaker 2: couple of shots earlier. You notice how how people like
Speaker 2: yourself and others make excuses for quarterbacks.
Speaker 3: They don't make for any other position.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not I'm not making no excuse. I'm
Speaker 1: not making I can I ask you a question. Have
Speaker 1: you ever played Have you ever played the position in
Speaker 1: the quarterback at anything?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: I did at any level wherever it was at. You
Speaker 1: have did you have on pads in the helmet? Yes's
Speaker 1: your old line good? Was your old line good?
Speaker 3: They were? Okay?
Speaker 1: Do you do you know what it's like to lose
Speaker 1: your confidence as a quarterback getting hit.
Speaker 3: I ain't never nod. I'm that dude.
Speaker 2: I'm him mad Porter raised three the hard way. I
Speaker 2: ain't never lost for confidence. I ain't shook and can
Speaker 2: never be stirred. I don't know who you think you're
Speaker 2: talking to. You must have forgot okay, you forget hold
Speaker 2: o Joe. I had my name up in the stadium
Speaker 2: almost two decades before you got yours up there. Did
Speaker 2: you forget who? On the other end of this camera.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I know I'm talking. Okay, I know
Speaker 1: I'm talking about what I can to listen. Ain't nobody
Speaker 1: had more confidence than me, you know, But I can
Speaker 1: empathize with those that are going through struggles, that are
Speaker 1: having problems, that are playing a specific position in the
Speaker 1: scific place that makes it hell for cares, but haven't
Speaker 1: been able to be successful at that position as well.
Speaker 1: We continue to blame it on the same We continue
Speaker 1: to blame it on the quarterback every time. We continue
Speaker 1: to blame on the quarterback every time, every time, every time,
Speaker 1: Mark Sanchez, Sam Donald MHM, Zach Wilson, Joe Flacko. When
Speaker 1: things aren't going well, it's always the goddamn quarterbacks fault. Well,
Speaker 1: maybe it ain't the quarterback, maybe maybe that, Maybe it's
Speaker 1: maybe it's not them, it's not them.
Speaker 2: Let me ask your question. When Tom Brady get all them,
Speaker 2: let me ask you. I just want to ask you this.
Speaker 2: If you ask me this. How many times they mentioned
Speaker 2: on those game winning drive that Tom Brady had. How
Speaker 2: many times they mentioned the receiver they caught the ball,
Speaker 2: how many times they mentioned offensive line, how many times
Speaker 2: they mentioned the coach or did they mention Tom Brady
Speaker 2: did it again?
Speaker 3: It's the Brady effect. I'm just asking. I'm just I mean,
Speaker 3: just just just talking to.
Speaker 1: Me like I know. I'm just I'm just asking Tom
Speaker 1: tom Brady. He drives the needle, he makes he makes
Speaker 1: the needle move. Okay, Peyton with Peyton man he had
Speaker 1: all those comfort behind Hey he got he got a
Speaker 1: lot of them fourth fourth quarter comebacks too.
Speaker 3: I watched it.
Speaker 1: I remember else.
Speaker 3: That's why you make that? Why you think Patrick?
Speaker 2: Why you think Patrick Mahoe got two hundred and twelve
Speaker 2: million dollars guaranteed over the next four years.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you got you understand. You understand the quarterbacks that
Speaker 1: you're naming you you're naming no, no, but with legacies
Speaker 1: are I'm made the position. But I'm saying those guys
Speaker 1: hold on. It's hard finding people finding those.
Speaker 3: Now that's your question. What year did you start playing football?
Speaker 1: Uh?
Speaker 3: And how old were you?
Speaker 1: How were you in seventy seven?
Speaker 2: Okay, seventy seven, So first of all, you weren't born it,
Speaker 2: but anyway, so you started playing football. So now let
Speaker 2: me ask you this. Okay, thank you, that's that's that
Speaker 2: sounds better than me okay. They said, okay, hey, offensive
Speaker 2: lineman right here, defensive lineman right here, running backs right here,
Speaker 2: wild receivers over there, dv's over there.
Speaker 3: Quarterbacks, what line did they go get in?
Speaker 2: If you win and got your ass in the quarterback line,
Speaker 2: don't give me no excuses.
Speaker 3: Now, you chose to play that position.
Speaker 1: Right right right right right, right right right right, and
Speaker 1: you know what you got to do. You know what
Speaker 1: you I never I never slayed quarterback at the highest level.
Speaker 1: I played quarterback in high school. And I was okay.
Speaker 1: I was okay, I was good.
Speaker 3: Now you wasn't okay. I can tell I can tell.
Speaker 3: I can tell you ain't had.
Speaker 1: No arm blinging an arm. Matthew, I threw for seventy
Speaker 1: two hundred yards one season. I threw for seventy two
Speaker 1: hundred yards.
Speaker 3: Man said, hey.
Speaker 1: Man, don't hey man, I was like that at quarterback. Now,
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you I would like that.
Speaker 3: Number shotguns. Now, do your homework.
Speaker 1: Do your homework. I went a shot was under the center.
Speaker 1: I was under the center.
Speaker 3: Number two.
Speaker 1: Miami be Senior High High tied, real deal. Talk to me,
Speaker 1: holy Field.
Speaker 2: Joe Namath, everybody know Joe Willie Namath. He guaranteed the victory.
Speaker 2: Did that? He says, I wouldn't keep him. I've seen
Speaker 2: enough of Zach. Wilson says, this is the Lord's point.
Speaker 2: As a fan of a team, of the team, he says,
Speaker 2: he's the Lord's he said, he Lord and Whalpool, and
Speaker 2: that's at the bottom of the seat.
Speaker 3: That's how I load Joe e is see.
Speaker 1: I don't like that.
Speaker 3: What you don't like about it, I don't like that.
Speaker 1: Why why? As a player, I'm sure Joe's has some
Speaker 1: bad years too. At sometime, at some point when Joe
Speaker 1: is playing, he's had some bad years. He's had some
Speaker 1: bad games, you know, multiple of them. I'm sure he has.
Speaker 1: Let me tell you something a lot of people tell
Speaker 1: me on Twitter, Chad, at some point you're gonna have
Speaker 1: to set into reality and critique these players when shit
Speaker 1: is not going well, Man, fuck that shit. Exhoot me
Speaker 1: for a minute, Shait. I ain't mean a curse. I
Speaker 1: ain't mean the curse on your show. I know what
Speaker 1: it's like to have a bad game. I know what
Speaker 1: it's like to drop a ball. I know that feeling.
Speaker 1: I know that feeling that not be playing at home
Speaker 1: and drop an important third down that could have kept
Speaker 1: a goddamn drive going and having the stands of opposing
Speaker 1: fans fucking booing you. I've been in the New York Stadium.
Speaker 1: I've been in New York before. I know what it's
Speaker 1: like to play in that New York stadium and be
Speaker 1: amongst the people in that city. They don't play that shit.
Speaker 1: They are cutthroat, much like the Eagles fans. You have
Speaker 1: to come out there and you have to perform. In
Speaker 1: order to do that, you have to be very, very
Speaker 1: confident in what you do and in yourself and then
Speaker 1: your skills. It takes a specific type of player to
Speaker 1: play in that environment in New York. And to me,
Speaker 1: I think what they have done to my fucking homie,
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson. They have drained him of the last bit
Speaker 1: of confidence he has. And that is the goddamn problem.
Speaker 1: The media, Oh, the New York media don't care nothing
Speaker 1: about you. They don't care nothing about you. You gotta
Speaker 1: be built different to play there, man, You just got to.
Speaker 1: Now you've got a legend and Joe Namath coming you.
Speaker 1: If anything, you're supposed to be one of the first
Speaker 1: ones to come behind him and say listen, Zach, I
Speaker 1: believe in you. I know things ain't going the way
Speaker 1: you want to, but here we go, Here we go.
Speaker 1: He must have forgot what it's like the being in
Speaker 1: a position like Zach is, because now you're on your
Speaker 1: high horse. That's a legend. Oh come on, man, I can't.
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't bring myself. I can't bring myself
Speaker 1: to do no bullshit like that. What that's bush? No
Speaker 1: disrespect to Joe Namath and what he's accomplished in this NFL,
Speaker 1: because he's a motherfucking legend. But that's some fucking bullshit
Speaker 1: to come out and say something like that. How you
Speaker 1: think that's gonna affect Zach? And you already got to
Speaker 1: do He already got to deal with the New York media.
Speaker 1: He already got to deal with the pundits scrutinized in
Speaker 1: his every move everything. I'm just saying, I thought that shit.
Speaker 1: That shit irks me, man, that shit urks me. That's
Speaker 1: just my opinion. If you got some bad to say, Joe,
Speaker 1: keep it to yourself. You ain't got to make that
Speaker 1: shit public. You don't have to do that. The man,
Speaker 1: the team is going through enough. Zach is going through enough,
Speaker 1: heard it from everybody, and if anything, as a former
Speaker 1: player of that team, a legend of that team, probably
Speaker 1: hearing some positive from Joe Namath would have been that
Speaker 1: picked me up. Somebody like Zach mighta need it. But
Speaker 1: here you go. It's always the old folks too, Always
Speaker 1: the old folks. No disrespect to Joe. Because you ask
Speaker 1: my opinion, I'm just giving it to you so clearly.
Speaker 3: Right now, your team, Zach Wilson.
Speaker 2: You think the media, you think former players are being
Speaker 2: you think analysts, pundits are being too harsh, too critical.
Speaker 1: Three Wilson as a quarterback, is you're making a breaking year.
Speaker 1: I understand that it is degrading scale. It is e
Speaker 1: gauge and how they scale whether you arrived arrived or
Speaker 1: if you haven't. Basically, it hasn't gone the way Zach
Speaker 1: Wilson wants. It hasn't gone the way everyone else thinks
Speaker 1: it should have gone to this point based on the
Speaker 1: sample size that we have seen. Right me being one
Speaker 1: that is a continued supporter, it ain't just Zach Wilson.
Speaker 1: I support every goddamn body. When Bacon makeingfit, Baker Mayfield
Speaker 1: wasn't playing well, I was supporting him any other quarterback.
Speaker 1: When when James Wilson wasn't playing well, I was supporting him.
Speaker 1: When two wasn't playing well, and everybody talking to I
Speaker 1: support I've always been on the bandwagon on the positive
Speaker 1: side of the things, trying to find something.
Speaker 2: I think when you offer a critique of some If
Speaker 2: you offer a critique someone, I think what you're doing
Speaker 2: your you're misconscrewing. I can still support you and say, oho,
Speaker 2: you was wrong in that situation.
Speaker 3: You see, if you do something wrong.
Speaker 2: If I, if I don't tell you you're done wrong,
Speaker 2: how how much am I actually supporting you by not
Speaker 2: telling you that you're wrong?
Speaker 1: Well, actually you're not. You're not you're not telling me.
Speaker 1: You're not telling them he wrong Because you want to
Speaker 1: tell them, you would have to actually go to that
Speaker 1: individual and tell them that they're wrong. But when you
Speaker 1: do it in this space and on this time, that's
Speaker 1: my job. I'm not just staying here. I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not just saying here or on on on on TV
Speaker 1: of that matter. Yes, they don't take that, they don't
Speaker 1: take it that way. They don't take it that way.
Speaker 3: They're not able to.
Speaker 1: You are not able to They not able to separate
Speaker 1: the tube. They take that personal.
Speaker 2: How is that my fault? Because I've got hold on Okay,
Speaker 2: Zach Wilson has a job to do. Shannon Sharp has
Speaker 2: a job to do. Zach Wilson is not doing his job.
Speaker 2: Shannon Sharp is saying Zach Wilson isn't doing his job.
Speaker 2: And in saying Zach isn't doing his job, Shannon is
Speaker 2: all doing his job.
Speaker 3: So how am I wrong?
Speaker 1: There? There there's a way to say he's not getting
Speaker 1: the job done. And your delivery delivery, delivery can be
Speaker 1: very difficult.
Speaker 3: It could be do you want the mail, yes? Or no?
Speaker 2: You want your mail by nude? Or do you want
Speaker 2: me to bring your mail at eight o'clock at night?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: But when you when you bring the mail, your ship
Speaker 1: the Amazon Prime. Yeah that's right, yeah, Amazon Prime and
Speaker 1: it just being.
Speaker 3: A paper shipping and handling because I'm gonna make sure
Speaker 3: you get it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, I have I have I apologize, and I
Speaker 1: apologize the people that are watching the show. I have
Speaker 1: to find a way to navigate around that and to
Speaker 1: be able to critique players and do it in a
Speaker 1: positive way where it's received the right ray, the right way,
Speaker 1: and that's just somebody have to find the navigat because
Speaker 1: there are too many positives and we just were just
Speaker 1: hone in on what's negative, and it's always I or
Speaker 1: this individual I. It's a team game. It's a team game,
Speaker 1: and they're not playing well as a whole supposed to
Speaker 1: just singling one month.
Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question when you were doing
Speaker 2: those celebrations. How many teammates you had with you when
Speaker 2: you was doing when you was doing the saws, or
Speaker 2: when you were playing golf.
Speaker 1: Talk to me, let me tell you something. In order
Speaker 1: for me to even celebrate. It started from the old line,
Speaker 1: then it started the quarterback, then it started with the
Speaker 1: running back.
Speaker 2: We're we're not everybody doing their job. I'm asking you,
Speaker 2: how many teammates did you include in your celebrations.
Speaker 1: I wasn't allowed because it was against the rules, so
Speaker 1: I couldn't. You can include. There were no group celebrations
Speaker 1: back then when I was playing. You know that.
Speaker 2: Go ahead and take it, go and take one for
Speaker 2: the teacher. All teammates, right, were together. We in this together.
Speaker 1: We're a team, right, No, listen, yeah, we're a team.
Speaker 1: But I'm the only one that was willing to lose
Speaker 1: money behind having fun. They wasn't losing no money behind that. YO,
Speaker 1: listen to me.
Speaker 2: We we become a very sensitive soci and that especially
Speaker 2: and because of what what happens. And I'm just talking
Speaker 2: about when I could, especially African American, when I critique
Speaker 2: black players, the first thing they try to use where
Speaker 2: you trying to tear a brother down.
Speaker 1: Because you see, they can't separate the two.
Speaker 2: And guess what, I'm still in front of them. I'm
Speaker 2: still in front of the camera. I'm still in front
Speaker 2: of the mic. I'm not to see. I'm not attacking
Speaker 2: you personally. I don't know what you do in your home.
Speaker 2: I'm not talking about what you did, and I'm talking
Speaker 2: about your play on the field. I think I would
Speaker 2: like to think because I played the game at a
Speaker 2: high enough level, and I think because I watched him
Speaker 2: watch film, I'm able to critique you fairly. If you
Speaker 2: play well, I'm going to say that. If you play bad,
Speaker 2: I'm going to say that, why won't you ever say?
Speaker 2: Why don't let mess your question? Why do the while
Speaker 2: players don't ever say?
Speaker 3: Man? Man, I wish it would start praising me. Man.
Speaker 2: I had this one hundred and fifty yard two touchdown gaming.
Speaker 2: Oh man, that's what. I don't want that kind of praise.
Speaker 3: I don't want.
Speaker 2: I don't want that kind of I don't want that
Speaker 2: kind of adoration. It's only when they play bad and
Speaker 2: I point that out. Am I trying to tell the
Speaker 2: brother down? You didn't say nothing when I built you up.
Speaker 1: Listen, who is a harsher critique than the individual themselves? Huh?
Speaker 1: If you play the game of football and you have
Speaker 1: a bad game, who is your worst critic? Yourself? So
Speaker 1: I don't I mean, as a player, we don't. I
Speaker 1: don't need to be piggybacking. You're already feeling bad already,
Speaker 1: but now you got to listen to the motherfuckers talking
Speaker 1: about you too.
Speaker 3: Let me ask a question.
Speaker 1: I understand how they feel they take.
Speaker 2: And it seems the greater, the greater the player that offers,
Speaker 2: the greater the player that offers.
Speaker 3: The critique of you, the more it stems.
Speaker 1: You.
Speaker 3: See, if Denzel says I like.
Speaker 2: Your movie and you're an actress or you an actor,
Speaker 2: that means something. That's then Yeah. If Magic Johnson or
Speaker 2: Michael Jordan says I like him, that means something yes, Sir,
Speaker 2: Shannon Sharp has a gold jacket. Shannon Sharp says he
Speaker 2: didn't play well, right, damn right? So how do you
Speaker 2: sell How do you sell that to the fans? Because
Speaker 2: I give credit what credit is due. If a guy
Speaker 2: plays well, I'm gonna say it. If a guy plays bad,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say it. If I'm wrong, if I said,
Speaker 2: you know what, I'll come out and say, you know what,
Speaker 2: I was wrong about him. I missed him, I missed
Speaker 2: I missed the ball. I didn't see this coming.
Speaker 1: And that's little cave.
Speaker 3: Nobody is. Nobody is perfect.
Speaker 2: Nobody's gonna get Every player that they said was gonna
Speaker 2: be good turns out to be great. Every player that
Speaker 2: they say it turns out was gonna be bad if
Speaker 2: that's not the case. But we we've got to stop
Speaker 2: this notion that somebody is hating on you because they
Speaker 2: said you didn't play well.
Speaker 1: You're saying, you're saying, we need to stop this notion,
Speaker 1: but it hasn't stopped and it never will stop. Because
Speaker 1: players feel a certain way.
Speaker 2: They start and guess what, and they got more and
Speaker 2: more shows like you and I are popping up. So
Speaker 2: guess what else? If you're gonna stop people offer critiques
Speaker 2: of said players.
Speaker 3: Right right.
Speaker 1: About it. Most of the shows can all the shows
Speaker 1: can pop up as pop up as much as they want,
Speaker 1: but very few have the accolades and the resume to
Speaker 1: be doing the talking right. And I'm one of the
Speaker 1: few that have the resume and accolade to do the talking.
Speaker 1: But I know what it feels like. I know what
Speaker 1: it feels like. They have a bad game. Yes to me,
Speaker 1: it's hard to do it, but you know what I do.
Speaker 1: How about I do this? How about before I start
Speaker 1: when somebody has a bad game, how about I just
Speaker 1: make a disclaimer? No, how about I make a disclaimer
Speaker 1: or about this individual? Listen, I see you and hold
Speaker 1: you to a different standard because you got you hear,
Speaker 1: and you know how I feel about you, and you
Speaker 1: know I love you because I've been talking about you
Speaker 1: great for ten plushes.
Speaker 2: But see that they forget all about they forget all
Speaker 2: about that, They forget all about that, they forget every
Speaker 2: great thing that I said, and just remember the way.
Speaker 1: But what I'll do, I'll do that have a disclaimer
Speaker 1: on all the positive I said, So this one little negative,
Speaker 1: this is what you could do better based on what
Speaker 1: I saw because I hold you to a different standard,
Speaker 1: and this is what I expect from you when I
Speaker 1: do that? Can I do that?
Speaker 2: Everybody? Everybody knows how I feel about Lebron. You've heard
Speaker 2: me go on TV and say Lebron didn't play well.
Speaker 2: I need Lebron to play better. Lebron is going to
Speaker 2: respect that because he knows that I'm I don't got
Speaker 2: no nobody.
Speaker 1: Lebron is built different, He's different. Lebron can handle that.
Speaker 1: He's been dealing with that since high school. He've been
Speaker 1: dealing with positive the negative. He's able to navigate. It's
Speaker 1: not personal.
Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question, what professional affat.
Speaker 1: Lebron built differently?
Speaker 3: Here?
Speaker 2: What what professional athlete has gotten one thousand percent support
Speaker 2: all the way through. Everybody's been doubted, everybody's been said,
Speaker 2: he ain't gonna make it, he can't, she can't.
Speaker 1: Oh whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa with
Speaker 1: these yeah, they there have been there. There is levels
Speaker 1: of that. Now, let's don't go there. It's level you
Speaker 1: thought Lebron's level and pressure of doubt from high schools,
Speaker 1: being chosen and being the next great one and actually
Speaker 1: living up to it. Man, that is well'm I think he's.
Speaker 3: But here's the thing. But here's the thing. But here,
Speaker 3: but here's the thing.
Speaker 2: There have been a lot of there have been a
Speaker 2: not to the level of Lebron, but there have been
Speaker 2: a lot of guys that was supposed to be that
Speaker 2: guy and didn't do it.
Speaker 1: It's hard to live up to that. It's very difficult
Speaker 1: to live up to that. You know how hard for
Speaker 1: one longevity? Longevity, yeah, twenty one season yeah. Discipline, consistency, yes,
Speaker 1: and staying focused and locked in, you know how difficult.
Speaker 1: And it is to have that combination for a long
Speaker 1: extended period of time and sustain that and a.
Speaker 3: Lot of very difficult to do, and a lot of
Speaker 3: people it drives.
Speaker 2: See, I'm old enough to remember before Jordan's started winning
Speaker 2: championships what they said about him, that he couldn't win,
Speaker 2: that he was a selfish player and he was taking
Speaker 2: illing by shots, and it was all about him.
Speaker 3: See everybody.
Speaker 2: Once he started winning, everybody forgot the seven eight years
Speaker 2: that they said all those things about it. But he
Speaker 2: he cataloged it, kept it in the back of his
Speaker 2: mind and used that as fuel. Same thing with Kobe,
Speaker 2: Tiger Woods, at all these I don't care what level
Speaker 2: you play that there they Yeah, I'm saying those guys,
Speaker 2: but everybody has had doubt, that has been doubted at
Speaker 2: some point in time in their life. So we can
Speaker 2: talk about the world's richest man, or we could talk
Speaker 2: about somebody that's working working an hourly job. They've been doubted.
Speaker 2: Right now, what are you gonna do? Are you in
Speaker 2: the h man they doubted me. Let me go ahead
Speaker 2: and prove them right. I ain't gonna mountain an ish.
Speaker 3: No, I'm not. See.
Speaker 2: I've never tried to prove anybody wrong. I've just tried
Speaker 2: to prove me right. And in the process of doing that,
Speaker 2: you'll be wrong.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm mm hmm.
Speaker 3: But you got but you got it.
Speaker 2: But oh Joe, like you said, you got the credentials,
Speaker 2: you played at a high level. It wasn't like you
Speaker 2: some bum that you were just collecting the check. It
Speaker 2: was just the body out of that boy. Now, I
Speaker 2: don't do that.
Speaker 1: I told you what I was gonna do on some
Speaker 1: on on Wednesday throughout the media. I sent the DBS
Speaker 1: and the and I sent him a gift and went
Speaker 1: out there and did it. Every week for a decade straight.
Speaker 1: I had some fun. But again, you.
Speaker 2: Try to tell so you trying to tell brother down
Speaker 2: what you did. You try to bring them down doing that.
Speaker 1: But but I also know what it's like to have
Speaker 1: a bad game. I know what that feel like. Oh
Speaker 1: I felt bad. I feel very bad because that was
Speaker 1: my harshest critic.
Speaker 2: You make it seem like Zach Wilson has had one
Speaker 2: bad game. He had three bad years. We ain't talking
Speaker 2: about no one game.
Speaker 1: Okay, three, okay, he had three bad years. I remember
Speaker 1: I had a relationship. I had a relationship. I was
Speaker 1: in three years and she left me. She left you. Well,
Speaker 1: hold and listen. I did all I can. I went
Speaker 1: to practice, I did film study. You know, Zach Wilson
Speaker 1: doing all that. He's studying. He's working hard, doing everything.
Speaker 3: Leave Why she leaves?
Speaker 1: Why she leave you for some for some some other dudes,
Speaker 1: some some some some some some I don't know. I
Speaker 1: don't see, I don't know.
Speaker 3: She didn't want you be to tell me somebody didn't want.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I want yeah, this is you know this
Speaker 1: is she ain't want Chad Johnston. Yeah, we young. I
Speaker 1: hadn't even made it yet. I hain't even made it yet. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you some street dude.
Speaker 3: Have you bumped into her? Have you ever bumped into
Speaker 3: her since? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I bumped into it about two years ago.
Speaker 3: And what she says, Hey, Hey, Chad, how you doing.
Speaker 1: I couldn't. I couldn't even hear.
Speaker 3: Wow, Chad, don't do that. Don't do that. Oh Jose,
Speaker 3: listen to me. Listen to me.
Speaker 1: I couldn't you left me because you went to somebody
Speaker 1: that had more money at the time when I hadn't
Speaker 1: made it. You didn't want you didn't You didn't I was.
Speaker 1: I was on my journey, on my way, and I
Speaker 1: just had what you was looking for at that time.
Speaker 1: But you left me for something temporary. And now he's
Speaker 1: doing twenty four years in the pen. He's four years now.
Speaker 1: Listen to me. I can't I can't even hear I
Speaker 1: can't even hear you based on what I got on
Speaker 1: my hip. Now I can't even see you.
Speaker 3: No, you're supposed to go out of your way to
Speaker 3: make sure she sees you. Heirl, How you doing? Why
Speaker 3: are you How a her ain't seeing you in a Wow?
Speaker 3: How you doing? How you mama? You asking the mess?
Speaker 3: They need to know.
Speaker 1: Listen. She knows I hit it with that, hit it
Speaker 1: with that that ra hit it with that Ray Charles,
Speaker 1: I can't, I don't, I can't even see you mean, but.
Speaker 2: See that's but see that's the thing. You got to
Speaker 2: let them know. See that why I was. I used
Speaker 2: to block people. I used to block people on social media.
Speaker 2: Do all that I stopped blocking. You need to see
Speaker 2: me happen. You need you need to see me getting
Speaker 2: all this what God intended for me. What you tried,
Speaker 2: what you tried to block, I didn't let you see
Speaker 2: God still open in the windows, blowing out them blessings.
Speaker 1: Yes, sir, yes, sir, yes, and listen and for you
Speaker 1: if you want them blessings to keep coming, and you
Speaker 1: want that cup to keep running over. Yeah, all you
Speaker 1: need is to look. All you need is a little guidance.
Speaker 1: And you know the kind of guidance you need. You
Speaker 1: know where it comes from. And what kind of guidance. Huh,
Speaker 1: A woman's guidance.
Speaker 3: Uh, there you go, a woman.
Speaker 1: Listen to me. A woman. A woman, A woman is
Speaker 1: your will, be your GPS, get you wherever you need
Speaker 1: to go, from point A to point B. You know
Speaker 1: what else? If you had your woman. You know, if
Speaker 1: you had a woman in your life, you know what
Speaker 1: else you wouldn't.
Speaker 3: Be doing what.
Speaker 1: You wouldn't be flying private?
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't she gonna be flying right with me?
Speaker 1: No, sir, she ain't gonna let you spend that kind
Speaker 1: of money. She ain't spend that kind of money. No,
Speaker 1: she ain't because if she lets you spend that kind
Speaker 1: of money, she with you for the wrong reasons.
Speaker 3: No. No, oh yo.
Speaker 2: My grandfather used to say, boy, be as cheap as
Speaker 2: you want to, but don't be cheap to yourself.
Speaker 3: Now, how did you tell me that?
Speaker 2: Since that it makes I work the hardest and spend
Speaker 2: the least amount of my money.
Speaker 3: Now you tell me what since that may.
Speaker 1: Got to say that for a rainy day, baby, gotta
Speaker 1: save it for a rainy day, saving for a rainy
Speaker 1: day after after come on, and many of them are
Speaker 1: gonna come.
Speaker 3: I ain't promised tomorrow. When did God promise you tomorrow?
Speaker 2: Okay, so you want me to say for a rainy
Speaker 2: day that I'm not promised to see?
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, I like that. Like you know, I don't
Speaker 1: even have no comeback for you today, only because right
Speaker 1: now I'm in I'm in heaven. I in heaven. I'm yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm in heaven right now. I'm feeling good. I'm just
Speaker 1: I'm been smoking my cigar, just drink drinking a yat.
Speaker 3: I'm just mad.
Speaker 2: Ah so you you so you still so so. In
Speaker 2: other words, you throw your unbridled support. I mean, you
Speaker 2: just all in on the Zach Wilson train.
Speaker 1: Listen, I'm all in them everybody. You know, you don't
Speaker 1: follow me on social media, but if if for those
Speaker 1: that have followed me throughout the years, they know I
Speaker 1: always find a positive about anying everybody, especially when they're
Speaker 1: playing bad. It's just we have always been looking for mortgage.
Speaker 1: You're playing for college tuition, you're playing for jobs. Yes,
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 3: What what job? What job gonna let you stay on it?
Speaker 2: You not doing the younot fulfilling the job that that's
Speaker 2: required of you. But they say, you know what, we're
Speaker 2: gonna stay positive. We will, We're gonna remain positive. Where
Speaker 2: do they do that at?
Speaker 1: Why? Why? Why I got to jump on the band
Speaker 1: when when everybody don't jump on your head? Band wagon
Speaker 1: not a bandwagon. And I'm just saying, why do I
Speaker 1: have to do what everybody else is doing and jumping
Speaker 1: on you when you're not playing, well, why why can't.
Speaker 3: You what you're supposed to do? Tell me what you're
Speaker 3: supposed to do.
Speaker 2: You're supposed to offer critique of what transpired doing the
Speaker 2: course of the game, based on your years of experience
Speaker 2: and your expertise.
Speaker 3: So you denying your gift.
Speaker 2: God gave you a gift to play the game and
Speaker 2: to get gameful of Do you know how many guys
Speaker 2: that played a professional sport that would love to be
Speaker 2: in your shoes, that would love to offer a critique
Speaker 2: that didn't get that luxury, So you do, in other words,
Speaker 2: you denying God's gift. God gave you a gift.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he gave me a gift. And God gave me
Speaker 1: a gift, and I understand the purpose of that gift.
Speaker 1: The purpose of that gift was the uplift to uplift
Speaker 1: to reach out, see lend the hand.
Speaker 3: See what you did? You see?
Speaker 2: Because you figured that if you offer a critique to someone,
Speaker 2: you beating them down.
Speaker 3: That's it right there.
Speaker 1: Not not really, because I already told you what I'm
Speaker 1: going to work on is I'm going to have my
Speaker 1: disclaimer already ready that I always get my critique.
Speaker 2: Because here's the thing, because now tell me, I can't
Speaker 2: say you can't say whatever you But here's the thing.
Speaker 2: The person at home will say, oh, cho is not
Speaker 2: being truthful, because being.
Speaker 1: Truthful, all I'm saying is that this flaming is so
Speaker 1: and so I see you and hold you to a
Speaker 1: certain standard, and this is what I expect. But that's
Speaker 1: not the standard I got intoday.
Speaker 3: You don't have to do all that. Why you doing?
Speaker 1: I want to because I can, because I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't want. I don't want to. I don't want to
Speaker 1: be taking away because I understand.
Speaker 3: What I have to do. Spa your truth, to speak
Speaker 3: your truth.
Speaker 2: Them guys got you scared because you gonna bump into
Speaker 2: them and they're gonna say, oh Joe, why you criticize me?
Speaker 1: And I just had to be there.
Speaker 3: I had to be.
Speaker 1: I had to be their ass. What you're talking about?
Speaker 1: I criticized Aaron Donald. If Aaron Donald walk up with me,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna Donald run
Speaker 1: run scared of who ain't scared nobody?
Speaker 3: Aaron?
Speaker 1: I love you, baby, You ain't gonna criticize.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, but he.
Speaker 1: I don't see. I'm not comfortable with that. You comfortable
Speaker 1: with that. I'm not. I'm just not. It's just just
Speaker 1: the way I'm just the way I'm built, just the
Speaker 1: way I'm just. I just I can't explain it in
Speaker 1: other words, I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna navigate it,
Speaker 1: and I'm just gonna be mean to somebody and just
Speaker 1: say fuck it.
Speaker 2: Nah, you ain't gotta be mean. It's not to be
Speaker 2: about being mean. The people at home, see the people
Speaker 2: at home, see guys are not playing well. What makes
Speaker 2: them upset is that when somebody's not playing well and
Speaker 2: people try to pretend and announcers try to pretend like
Speaker 2: they are or try to say, well that was his fault.
Speaker 3: WHOA, No, it wasn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't.
Speaker 3: I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't say anybody was playing well. I didn't say
Speaker 1: anybody was. I just try to navigate and find ways
Speaker 1: around it, to find the positives and what they are doing.
Speaker 3: That's all.
Speaker 2: Look, if you play a professional sport, nobody cares. If
Speaker 2: you give to the homeless, that's not what we're talking
Speaker 2: about at this moment. We can get into your philanthropic work.
Speaker 2: We can get into all that other stuff. You could
Speaker 2: be a benefactor or magnanimous as you choose to be.
Speaker 2: But when you play professional sports, our job is to
Speaker 2: critique and analyze said person in said sport.
Speaker 1: That's it. Okay, how about this? How about this? From
Speaker 1: now on, I'm gonna critique and analyze. That's it. Critique
Speaker 1: and analyze, and I'm I'm finna be I'm finna be
Speaker 1: on a motherfucker ass now, Okay, Pauls.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, yeah, Paul Oh whoa, whoa hold on.
Speaker 3: Let me hit this, Let me hit this, Pauls. But
Speaker 3: right quick, heavy with that one, okay you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm ready, I'm ready, I'm ready.
Speaker 3: Well, oh, Jo, congratulations.
Speaker 2: I know this night was very very special for you
Speaker 2: and your family and friends to go to go into
Speaker 2: a team's ring of honor. It goes to show you
Speaker 2: that that doesn't go on unknown unbeknowns because a lot
Speaker 2: of people said, you know what, we think his play
Speaker 2: on the field and his behavior off the field is
Speaker 2: worthy of him representing the Cincinnati Bengals from perpetuity.
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, mm hmmm.
Speaker 3: I like that. I like that. I like that.
Speaker 1: You know what, I'm gonna get one of them gold
Speaker 1: ones too. Yeah, I'm gonna get gonna get I'm getting
Speaker 1: them gold on to and if.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no no no, I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 1: gonna make me a gold one. I'm gonna make me
Speaker 1: want I'm gonna make my own, make my own bus,
Speaker 1: to make my own buss because I know where they
Speaker 1: get I know where they I know where they get
Speaker 1: him done at huh. And it's gonna be one of
Speaker 1: it's gonna be one on one. Yeah, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: one on one.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well yeah, one on one, one one, make my own way,
Speaker 1: make my own hall of fame. Hey, Joe, right back,
Speaker 1: sleep man, Who is that you saying you wanted to bus?
Speaker 1: You're saying you wanted to buy you see the part
Speaker 1: you see you see that part?
Speaker 3: You see that part.
Speaker 1: I like that. I like that. I'm gona I'm gonna
Speaker 1: get me one. I'm gonna give me a bus made
Speaker 1: and mine mine gonna be fourteen carry gold one on one.
Speaker 3: Oh you oh you're gonna spend that kind of money?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah, oh yeah, because they they they ain't
Speaker 1: gonna spend it on me. I got I gotta I
Speaker 1: gotta do with me what you told me, told me
Speaker 1: I did. Yeah, I'm gonna make my own hall I
Speaker 1: make my own Hall of Fame jacket, make my own jacket. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what's what's some mo? Yeah, well, I'm gonna putting fourteen
Speaker 1: carry gold glitter on my jacket.
Speaker 2: If if I you know what you know now and
Speaker 2: I can transport you back to your rookie season. Yes, sir,
Speaker 2: what type of numbers do you believe OO could put.
Speaker 1: Up to my rookie see in today's game.
Speaker 2: I WU you know what you know now, right, but
Speaker 2: I'm going to transport you back to your rookie season
Speaker 2: with the knowledge that you have.
Speaker 1: Now of the game, right, Yes, I think consistently probably
Speaker 1: fourteen hundred consistently consistently. Then there's a fifteen consistently fourteen
Speaker 1: hundred consistently.
Speaker 3: Fourteen fourteen Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean, especially during that time in that era, dealing
Speaker 1: with that Ravens defense and dealing with that that Pittsburgh defense.
Speaker 1: You know, the numbers get it a little low when
Speaker 1: you play against them, But as far as everyone else, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just being honest. Them boys ain't playing Just being honest.
Speaker 1: But outside of the division it's oh, I'm going crazy,
Speaker 1: but you know those divisional games are always close and
Speaker 1: they really minimize minimize my production very very well. Right, yeah,
Speaker 1: especially with what I know now. I wish, I wish,
Speaker 1: I wish it was reversed.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: Congratulations Ocho on your night for you and your family
Speaker 2: and loved ones. I'm your favorite Uncle Shannon Sharp, He's
Speaker 2: your favorite number eighty five, Chad O Cho Senko Johnson
Speaker 2: and thank you for tuning in to Nightcap with Uncle Ocho.
Speaker 1: See you Thursday, Doll call me if you need me.
Speaker 1: My numbers stead the same