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Speaker 1: Peace to the planet.

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Speaker 2: Charlamagnea god here and as we come closer to closing

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Speaker 2: out this year, I just want to say thank you

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Speaker 2: for tuning it into the Black Spec podcast network. There

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Speaker 2: have been so many great moments over the past year.

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Speaker 2: Take a listen to some of those captivating moments in

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Speaker 2: this special best of episode.

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Speaker 3: Every season, every week, every game, there is something new

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Speaker 3: to report. But then there are some storylines to me

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Speaker 3: that never change. Into the owner of America's team, the

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Speaker 4: Well, I will let us sit down and look at

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Speaker 4: the decisions we've made over the last several years. Okay,

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Speaker 4: I'll look at it now. If you think I'm interested

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Speaker 4: on a damn phone call with you over the radio

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Speaker 4: and sitting here and throwing all the good app with

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Speaker 4: the dishwater, you have got to be smoking something over there.

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Speaker 3: Eighty two year old Jerry Jones, owner, president, and general

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Speaker 3: manager of the Dallas Cowboys, handing a local radio reporter

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Speaker 1: I'm Master Spatzian. I am a sports journalist, on your host, producer, anchor.

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Speaker 1: I do it all anything within sports rooms that you

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Speaker 1: can talk about I will somehow find a waited.

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Speaker 3: I ask Master dionn because every year, before the season

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Speaker 5: At best for the better part of a decade.

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Speaker 3: So I'm really curious as a Cowboys fan and also

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Speaker 3: the Dallas Cowboys.

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Speaker 1: Hey, listen, I grew up in Dallas, so the fascination

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Speaker 1: The big reason behind that is Jerry Jones and what

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Speaker 1: legitimately was everyone every black person I know of that

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Speaker 3: So it was a horrible loss home loss this past week,

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Speaker 1: Fifth worst loss in franchise history. Now, I guess there's

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Speaker 1: The question that was asking Jerry Jones I also had

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Speaker 3: You just talked about several consistent issues that they've had

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Speaker 1: He has been the problems with the Cowboys, and Jimmy

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Speaker 1: That's not a way to build a team. That's not

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Speaker 5: Yeah and so, And Jerry.

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm asking you why does he continue to

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Speaker 5: Year after year after year.

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Speaker 3: He stayed too long with Tony. Is it time to

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Speaker 1: I think it's ego. I think it is he is

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Speaker 1: News last Jerry, It's been on thirty years now.

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Speaker 3: If I'm on the outside looking in, I don't think

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Speaker 3: When Naked Sports returns, we meet at the intersection of

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Speaker 5: Why though, why is that?

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Speaker 5: Because he has so much money. Is it because he's

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Speaker 3: Why? Why is he exonerated of behavior that others probably

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Speaker 1: Help me out, Jim Mers Jim mersy.

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Speaker 5: No, I feel no other owner does.

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Speaker 3: I will tell you this, Master T, I'd only be

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Speaker 5: You're absolutely right about the charm that he has. True story.

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Speaker 3: I went to Mister Child, Mister Child in LA and

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Speaker 5: You know what he is.

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Speaker 5: You're sitting in front of Jerry and his wife. Would

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Speaker 1: again I said, with something Jerry, and then like, you know,

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Speaker 1: he's a nice guy, like.

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Speaker 5: He's he really is affable, he's a nice guy.

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Speaker 1: So it's it's it's, it's it's again. Sometimes you can

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Speaker 1: get lost in the news and all these different things

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Speaker 1: when you're around somebody that kind of man, you're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: you know, but not so bad. Like again, like I

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Speaker 1: grew up in the South. I grew up in Texas.

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Speaker 1: You know, I've traveled all over the South. So it's

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Speaker 1: like Southern people. To me, there's a comfort that exists

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Speaker 1: there with Southern people, regardless of race, religion, age, or

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Speaker 1: whatever the case may be, right, even if the fact

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Speaker 1: that like they could be rooting for my own detriments

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Speaker 1: as a black man in terms of their policies and

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Speaker 1: the rules and the way that they view things when

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Speaker 1: you're around them and you're at a sports bar, you're

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Speaker 1: at a game, especially on game.

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Speaker 5: He's charming.

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Speaker 3: He's not mean, he doesn't say anything mean. He wants

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Speaker 3: to He's a get along guy. He's not he's not

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Speaker 3: out here, you know, being Bill Belichick. Like that would

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Speaker 3: mean the I I can tell you'll know. I could say, Bill,

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Speaker 3: no thanks, I don't want one of your tacos. You

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Speaker 3: make me sick, sir, billn't even the house the house.

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Speaker 3: But my point is, this whole demeanor is such a

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Speaker 3: he's so he's so sour, you know, and surly if

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Speaker 3: you will, I wouldn't even okay, all right, So I

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Speaker 3: just answered that question for myself, I am curious though,

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Speaker 3: do you think that that do you think Jerry Jones

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Speaker 3: was held held accountable for that photo, that that that

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Speaker 3: service of him and.

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Speaker 5: Some people are accountability Well, some people say, look it's

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Speaker 5: forty years ago, fifty years ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you have to account that the variants of

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Speaker 1: accountability because he was asked about the question and there

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Speaker 1: was a story made about it, and he was asked

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Speaker 1: about it, and he was pressed about the situation. So

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Speaker 1: like in terms of that level of accountability, yes, but again,

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Speaker 1: he has a charming way of being able to find

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Speaker 1: ways to, you know, excuse himself of certain behaviors that

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Speaker 1: he has or certain tendencies that he has, and and

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Speaker 1: you know, you kind of just chalk it up to

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Speaker 1: Jerry being Jerry at a certain point.

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