WEBVTT - The Last of Us Episode 4, “Day One” 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:05.440 Wording. Today's episode contains spoilers for episode four, season two 0:00:05.480 --> 0:00:10.800 of the Last of Us. 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:24.800 Hello. 0:00:25.360 --> 0:00:28.920 Hey, it is Jason Catepcio and I'm Rosie Night and. 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:30.840 Welcome back to x Ray video of the podcast where 0:00:30.840 --> 0:00:34.000 we dive the to your Babe shows, movies, comments, and 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:36.760 pop culture. Coming to you from My Art podcast, where 0:00:36.760 --> 0:00:38.920 we're bringing you three episodes a week every Tuesday, Wednesday, 0:00:38.960 --> 0:00:40.600 Thursday plus news. 0:00:41.479 --> 0:00:43.720 In today's episode, we're talking about It. 0:00:43.720 --> 0:00:47.160 It's the fourth episode of the Last of Us season two. 0:00:47.200 --> 0:00:50.479 We are now officially over halfway through the Last of 0:00:50.520 --> 0:00:52.440 Us season two, and it's making me and Jason feel 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:54.720 some things. I think the Internet is feeling some things too, 0:00:54.960 --> 0:00:56.160 So we're going to talk about it. 0:00:57.280 --> 0:01:00.600 Let's get into it. We open on a flashback twenty 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:04.120 eighteen the Seattle quarantine Zone. We're in a Federa van 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:10.080 and the Federa dudes are assholes. They're talking shit about 0:01:10.120 --> 0:01:14.319 the residents of the quarantine zone, who they call voters. 0:01:14.560 --> 0:01:16.680 Because they're no longer allowed to vote yes. 0:01:18.520 --> 0:01:23.080 And they're talking about like a particularly brutal Federra commander 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:29.320 who is also very stupid, who is beating these residents 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:33.559 ruthlessly because they're handing out pamphlets, which we later find 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:40.119 out are like proto Serahphyte pamphlets, and all these federal 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:43.840 soldiers are laughing about how brutal this dummy is. And 0:01:43.840 --> 0:01:47.360 then one of them, Isaac answers one of the younger 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:49.760 feder you know, why do we call them voters? And 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:53.880 to as you said, Rosie, it's because, as Isaac says, 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:55.960 we took away their ability to vote, and now we 0:01:56.200 --> 0:02:01.320 jokingly call them voters. Their patrol vehicle stops because there's 0:02:01.320 --> 0:02:04.840 a bus that's been pulled across this like suburban street, 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:07.000 and they're like, oh, oh, what does this mean? Could 0:02:07.000 --> 0:02:09.959 it be the WLF, could it be somebody else? And 0:02:10.040 --> 0:02:11.480 Sergeant's like, I'm going to go out. I'm going to 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:13.919 talk peacefully to them. Okay, So everybody's stay in the van. 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:16.960 You new guy, come with me. 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:19.680 Yeah, he's like you who asked about the voters, who 0:02:19.680 --> 0:02:22.519 seems to have not necessarily found the right you haven't. 0:02:22.320 --> 0:02:27.519 Been molded by the brutality yet. Come with me. And 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:30.760 there's a bunch of civilians in the street. They're unarmed, 0:02:30.760 --> 0:02:33.600 but they seem very you know, prepared for a confrontation, 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:36.960 despite the fact that they're unarmed. Their leader is Hanrahan 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:40.040 Alana Youbach, the wonderful usually comedic. 0:02:40.200 --> 0:02:43.960 Yes, shocking to see, just a little bit of just 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:44.600 a little. 0:02:44.400 --> 0:02:45.720 Bit of sad face acting. 0:02:45.760 --> 0:02:48.200 And she really like sucked me in, Like you can 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:49.760 tell she's tired. 0:02:49.840 --> 0:02:53.000 She's tired and is shit. She she has been waiting 0:02:53.040 --> 0:02:56.480 for Isaac, and apparently they've been, you know, expecting each other. 0:02:57.040 --> 0:03:00.400 So Isaac is like, you Handrahan. She's like, yeah, it's 0:03:00.440 --> 0:03:03.160 like you Isaac. Yes. They shake hands and then Isaac 0:03:03.800 --> 0:03:07.160 turns back towards his patrol vehicle, pops two grenades out 0:03:07.160 --> 0:03:09.800 of his vest, throws them in the van, shuts the 0:03:09.880 --> 0:03:13.320 van door, blows up all the guys inside, Wow, kills 0:03:13.320 --> 0:03:16.640 the driver as he tumbles out, and then turns to 0:03:16.720 --> 0:03:18.560 the new guy and is like, okay, I make your choice. 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:19.120 What do you want to do? 0:03:19.560 --> 0:03:23.760 Yeah, tricky, And he makes this really interesting comment where 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:26.240 he kind of says he throws in the grenades and 0:03:26.240 --> 0:03:27.720 then he shuts the door, and he's like, it's. 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:28.840 Because you're all that guy. 0:03:29.240 --> 0:03:31.720 You're all that same guy who will smash someone's face 0:03:31.760 --> 0:03:34.120 against a wall and laugh about it. 0:03:34.120 --> 0:03:35.000 And laugh about it. 0:03:35.040 --> 0:03:38.720 Also absolutely hilarious to see Drake from Drake and Josh 0:03:38.800 --> 0:03:42.000 theare that was, whichever one it was. I was like, 0:03:42.080 --> 0:03:43.920 great character casting. 0:03:43.640 --> 0:03:45.640 Like I love to see this. This throws me back. 0:03:45.920 --> 0:03:49.720 Also kind of terrifying to see a kid actor and 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:52.080 someone that you kind of grew up with as just 0:03:52.200 --> 0:03:54.560 like the worst person you could ever know in and. 0:03:54.520 --> 0:03:57.920 Apocolypch feels very real. But yeah, he does have that. 0:03:58.000 --> 0:04:02.160 He does have that like punchable popular kid face exactly. 0:04:02.200 --> 0:04:04.880 And I thought this was just such a fantastic cold 0:04:04.920 --> 0:04:08.400 open and definitely, like, I think it's probably the strongest 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:11.320 part of the episode because it really establishes just how 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:15.000 much okay, yeah, how much of a kind of crazy 0:04:15.960 --> 0:04:19.480 space Seattle was back then in twenty eighteen, and why 0:04:20.480 --> 0:04:22.680 it is no longer under feder Come on. 0:04:22.800 --> 0:04:27.920 Yeah, So we go to the present. Dina and Ellie 0:04:27.920 --> 0:04:33.760 are scouting. They see a w WLF. Oh wait, I've 0:04:33.960 --> 0:04:37.800 fast forward. Sorry, we flashed back to the present. It's 0:04:37.800 --> 0:04:40.839 now eleven years later. Dina and Ellie are scavenging around 0:04:40.920 --> 0:04:44.800 buildings very much like the video game. Dina finds something 0:04:44.839 --> 0:04:46.840 which we will later find out what it is because 0:04:46.880 --> 0:04:55.120 she's in like a drug store or prescription drugs. They 0:04:55.120 --> 0:05:00.240 then ride into the Capitol District and this it. They're 0:05:00.279 --> 0:05:02.479 surprised at how intact it is because it was supposedly 0:05:02.480 --> 0:05:07.440 bombed out. There's gay pride symbols and flags everywhere, but 0:05:07.480 --> 0:05:10.919 the girls don't know what that means. They think. Ellie 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:13.159 wonders if it means that they were just like happy 0:05:13.240 --> 0:05:19.800 and optimistic. There are skeletons of feder soldiers everywhere and 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:24.200 tank but burned out tanks that have been overgrown with moss. 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:27.279 Clearly there is a battle here. Ellie investigates the tank, 0:05:28.400 --> 0:05:32.760 doesn't find anything but makes a loud noise. Luckily, No, 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:35.400 I'm gonna give you any quick slap, like you have 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:35.840 to be. 0:05:35.760 --> 0:05:37.880 The one in control here. You are the Joel in 0:05:37.920 --> 0:05:41.359 this situation. She's very much Ah, you are not, but 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:43.440 you need to be for Dina. I'm for you to 0:05:43.440 --> 0:05:46.200 survive like that was such a I'm not gonna lie. 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:48.320 Would I also do that in the apocalypse, Yes, but 0:05:48.400 --> 0:05:51.920 that's why I would die like five years ago, I 0:05:51.000 --> 0:05:54.080 have nice I'm no understanding, I'm no misunderstanding. 0:05:54.120 --> 0:05:58.280 I would die. I can't run, I'm not quiet, I'm clumsy. 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:02.200 But Ellie like, come on, I know you're immune, but please, babe, 0:06:02.240 --> 0:06:06.400 do not make the ringing fucking like gong. 0:06:06.279 --> 0:06:08.080 Noise to let people know where you are. 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:12.159 They spot a tower on a hill that has a 0:06:12.320 --> 0:06:17.880 WLF marker on one of its no longer operational satellite dishes, 0:06:18.279 --> 0:06:21.440 and Ellie's like, great, let's go, let's run in again. 0:06:22.040 --> 0:06:24.919 Kind of a weird characterization of Ellie is like the 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:29.960 tumble into kind of reckless. Yeah. Dina is like, wait 0:06:30.000 --> 0:06:32.679 a second. They're on an elevated position, they're in a tower. 0:06:32.720 --> 0:06:34.479 They'll see us coming. We're going to ride up on 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:37.800 a horse. Two people like, let's wait until dark. So 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:40.920 they go and find a place to hold up until dark. 0:06:40.920 --> 0:06:45.520 It's a record store. They are looking around. There's guitars 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:49.839 and stuff. Upstairs. Ellie finds an acoustic guitar that is 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:51.440 in unrealistically good. 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:53.680 That shit would be warped as well, because this room 0:06:53.760 --> 0:06:55.920 had to be so humid for all those plants. 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:59.679 This is the Pacific, this is a Pacific Northwest, Like, it's. 0:06:59.640 --> 0:07:01.680 Very what it would be warped. 0:07:01.680 --> 0:07:04.599 And we get it, like, you know, we get it, 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:06.440 and you get some beautiful shots of the guitar, but 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:09.080 come on, I'm saying is this is something I will 0:07:09.080 --> 0:07:11.840 bring up throughout our discussion. This is the first episode 0:07:11.880 --> 0:07:15.440 of the Last of Us where I kind of got 0:07:16.000 --> 0:07:19.680 a little pushed out of the logic of the show 0:07:19.880 --> 0:07:23.640 in a way that kind of this usually just immerses 0:07:23.680 --> 0:07:26.200 me emotionally and vibes wise, and this was the first 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:28.280 one where there was a few different things that kind 0:07:28.280 --> 0:07:30.600 of took me out. Now, this it took me out 0:07:30.640 --> 0:07:32.720 a little bit, but I'm willing to accept it because 0:07:32.760 --> 0:07:35.480 I know the importance of the guitar. But the next 0:07:35.560 --> 0:07:36.480 choice they make. 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:38.800 I just want to say before I continue the recap, 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:40.720 but I think that this is I think what we're 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:43.920 both reacting. Certainly, what my thoughts watching this was this 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:50.760 is the most explicitly video game loyal episode that we've 0:07:50.800 --> 0:07:55.920 seen for me, and I think that's kind of what 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:58.320 pushes you out of the reality of it is some 0:07:58.360 --> 0:08:03.120 of these video game moments that butt up against the 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:06.120 reality that has been established in the show version of 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:06.720 this story. 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:08.480 I think that's a great way of putting it. 0:08:08.880 --> 0:08:12.840 So Ellie plays take on Me by Aha. But like 0:08:12.920 --> 0:08:17.000 the whole song, the entire thing, it's only seven episodes, guys, 0:08:17.040 --> 0:08:21.720 can we anyway Dina comes upstairs and sees this and 0:08:22.040 --> 0:08:24.640 hears this and is like, oh, ship, now I'm already. 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:30.440 Now I'm really falling in love. And you know, Ellie 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:32.719 is like, there was Joel. Joel taught me how to 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:36.240 play guitar, and you know they're they're both in that 0:08:36.280 --> 0:08:41.040 moment very thankful for their past relationships with Joel. Elsewhere, 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:45.560 Isaac now the leader of the wolf, or a leader, 0:08:45.600 --> 0:08:48.960 we should say, it's it's unclear what the same hierarchy is. 0:08:49.040 --> 0:08:53.640 He's at least that he's allowed to torture people, you know. 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:57.360 So he lights a stove and he's giving this monologue 0:08:57.400 --> 0:08:59.400 about how in the past, you know, when he was 0:08:59.440 --> 0:09:04.720 wooing a woman, he would lean on his culinary skills, 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:09.240 and how back then he always wanted this specific brand 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:12.120 of French cook wear that was very expensive, but now 0:09:12.160 --> 0:09:14.240 that like le apocalypse has happened, he can just have 0:09:14.280 --> 0:09:15.040 it because it's free. 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:16.479 That would be like me with Lacrousete. 0:09:16.480 --> 0:09:18.839 I'll be living in the Lacrosse life before I get 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:20.640 hit by his zombie. I have a cook at least 0:09:20.880 --> 0:09:23.480 at least once stew and at lacrase, I have. 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:26.160 A couple of pieces of Lacrousette and I do love them. 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:32.000 And you know, he's heating this beautiful bronze pan copper 0:09:32.080 --> 0:09:35.520 pan on a gas stove, and it turns out that 0:09:35.760 --> 0:09:40.000 he's interrogating a naked and chained Seraphyte who has been 0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:46.200 beaten brutally. And this Seraphyite is a fanatic, and Isaac 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:48.680 is burning him with the pan, saying like, where are 0:09:48.720 --> 0:09:51.400 you going to attack next? What's happening? They get into 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:57.160 this kind of brief argument about like who broke the 0:09:57.160 --> 0:09:59.520 there's a truce apparently, so who broke the truth? Did 0:09:59.800 --> 0:10:03.600 this Serifices break the truce by killing a child, the 0:10:03.760 --> 0:10:07.480 WLF child with an arrow? Or did the WLF break 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:12.880 the truce by killing various members of the scars in 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:15.160 other ways? And they go back and forth about this, 0:10:15.200 --> 0:10:16.760 and I Wasac's like, I don't care about that, Like, 0:10:16.880 --> 0:10:19.480 just tell me where you guys are attacking next. And 0:10:19.520 --> 0:10:22.960 then it becomes very clear that this serified is not 0:10:23.000 --> 0:10:27.120 going to talk. Offers his other hand even offers up 0:10:27.160 --> 0:10:29.800 like go ahead, burn the other hands. So then Isaac, 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:31.520 finally fed up, shoots this guy. 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:34.360 I found this really hard to watch, which I do 0:10:34.400 --> 0:10:36.880 think is meant to be the point, but again when 0:10:36.920 --> 0:10:39.640 it comes with the logic of the show, and also 0:10:39.800 --> 0:10:42.959 like the choices they've made, for example, like the way 0:10:43.040 --> 0:10:45.960 they chose to show Joel's death compared to how we 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:46.839 get it in the game. 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:48.360 I thought that was a really. 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:52.720 Thoughtful, evocative, scary, leaves up to your imagination kind of moment, 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:55.560 even though we did see the moment of death. This 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:59.200 to me felt almost like in the torture porn realm. 0:10:59.240 --> 0:11:01.800 And I understand and that it is leaning into what 0:11:01.840 --> 0:11:04.520 we can evocative of real things we've seen in war, 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:07.480 but it didn't work for me in the context of 0:11:07.480 --> 0:11:07.800 the show. 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:08.520 It was too much. 0:11:09.400 --> 0:11:14.120 I think the show has been is cognizant of that, 0:11:14.679 --> 0:11:19.200 and they always add in scenes like this. They'll have 0:11:19.400 --> 0:11:22.840 like the younger member of the WLF, Like they have 0:11:22.920 --> 0:11:27.040 that scene the torture is going on outside and there's 0:11:27.040 --> 0:11:28.760 a guy, there's a younger guy outside and he's like, 0:11:28.800 --> 0:11:30.560 this is really fucked up. This is really fucked up. 0:11:30.559 --> 0:11:32.199 The other guy is like, Isaac knows what he's doing. 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:35.120 This is great. It was Francois Truffaux, I think I 0:11:35.120 --> 0:11:37.440 believe who said, you know, there's no such thing as 0:11:37.440 --> 0:11:40.200 an anti war movie, and I think that's true. I 0:11:40.200 --> 0:11:42.440 think that I think that's how the scene made me 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:46.120 feel like that there's no even though we're meant to 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:50.160 understand the brutality, the horror of the inhumanity of this scene, 0:11:50.840 --> 0:11:56.520 it left me wondering, are we not elevating it anyway? 0:11:56.920 --> 0:11:59.200 You know, you're not still having Jeffrey Wright do it 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:03.440 while giving a full monologue about, you know, the life 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:04.120 he led before. 0:12:04.240 --> 0:12:05.800 I'm also very interested. 0:12:06.280 --> 0:12:08.319 This is more of a conversation I want on discord 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:10.079 to have and i want to see what the Internet thinks. 0:12:10.160 --> 0:12:12.800 I'm very interested in the difference in representation of the 0:12:12.800 --> 0:12:15.600 Serophytes and the WLF and the way that they're kind 0:12:15.640 --> 0:12:17.840 of representing them here compared to the game. I do 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:21.640 think there is an added complexity to the to the wh. 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:24.280 No, for sure, I think both sides, even the Seraphytes, 0:12:24.320 --> 0:12:27.000 like this. The Seraphytes says something to the effect of, 0:12:27.360 --> 0:12:31.679 you really get the feeling of how deeply they're they 0:12:31.720 --> 0:12:35.200 really believe their religious feeling for this for this profit 0:12:35.400 --> 0:12:39.360 is very deep. And this person who's being tortured says, 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:41.839 you know, every day you're going to lose because every 0:12:41.920 --> 0:12:44.440 day we get stronger and every day you get weaker 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:46.920 despite the fact that you have tanks. 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:49.720 And the irony is seeing him torture this guy, Like 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:52.240 this kind of proves that in its own way, right. 0:12:52.480 --> 0:12:56.200 It made me feel a lot of the way I 0:12:56.240 --> 0:12:59.240 felt about playing the game, which is like I'm getting 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:00.559 worn out by this violence. 0:13:00.640 --> 0:13:02.319 Yeah, this bleakness. 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:04.920 Yeah, So I did feel a little bit like that 0:13:05.280 --> 0:13:05.559 with this. 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:07.000 I think it's I. 0:13:06.960 --> 0:13:11.000 Think it's the nudity, the skinniness of the actor. It's 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:13.400 very evocative of people in war camps, things we've sin 0:13:13.480 --> 0:13:15.560 in real life. Things are going on right now. So 0:13:15.559 --> 0:13:17.800 it's like, yeah, it was a bit too much for me, 0:13:17.840 --> 0:13:19.360 and I think you're right. This is the first time 0:13:19.400 --> 0:13:21.480 where I got that same I had that same feeling 0:13:21.480 --> 0:13:23.640 with the game of like the bleakness. But I think 0:13:24.080 --> 0:13:26.600 that actually might be something this episode is struggling with 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:29.240 because you know what in the game, and this is 0:13:29.280 --> 0:13:31.680 bleak because your action in the game it's killing people. 0:13:31.679 --> 0:13:33.080 Like by the time in the game you get here, 0:13:33.120 --> 0:13:36.079 you've killed so many people. But like there is that 0:13:36.880 --> 0:13:39.920 in part of the game that actually engages your brain 0:13:40.000 --> 0:13:40.959 and is like, now you. 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:42.880 Have to go and do this. Here's an activity. 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:45.800 Here's the little bit of dopamine that you get from 0:13:45.800 --> 0:13:48.280 playing this game. You don't necessarily get that in the 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:51.920 same way as you do in a video game. 0:13:51.920 --> 0:13:53.920 Here, because you're just now, you're just watching. 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:10.079 Ellie and Dina at night sneak up to the tower. 0:14:11.440 --> 0:14:13.920 Dina funds sees the way in. There's a broken window 0:14:13.960 --> 0:14:16.000 and you can get in there. But what do they do? 0:14:16.520 --> 0:14:20.080 Dina says, if we encounter other wolves, like wolves who 0:14:20.160 --> 0:14:23.480 weren't responsible for Jackson and for Joel's death, what do 0:14:23.520 --> 0:14:25.160 we do if we find them? And Ellie just like 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:27.920 gives her a look like obviously we fucking murder these people. 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:29.960 Yeah, like we're gonna kill him. Don't you have a guard? 0:14:30.000 --> 0:14:33.120 We're gonna kill them, right and uh And Dina's like, 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:35.360 oh yeah, I get it, Like yeah for sure. So 0:14:35.480 --> 0:14:38.600 inside they go in and immediately in a hallway they 0:14:38.640 --> 0:14:41.480 find one of the w lf riddled with arrows, and 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:43.880 they're like, oh, this is those people on the trail 0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:46.600 who are responsible. This is who did this. And then 0:14:46.640 --> 0:14:49.560 they go in to like a larger room kind of 0:14:49.600 --> 0:14:49.960 like like. 0:14:49.960 --> 0:14:52.600 Theater or a kind of like way I think it 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:55.800 was as it was a news studio I think like 0:14:55.920 --> 0:15:00.040 a so like a you know, a broadcast studio, and 0:15:00.080 --> 0:15:05.600 there's several WLF bodies mutilated in Hannibal Lecter style. 0:15:05.720 --> 0:15:09.000 There hung up, the guts are falling. Now, it's very dramatic. 0:15:09.040 --> 0:15:11.040 I feel like the Seraphites have too much time on 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:14.840 their hands. I'm not gonna lie when you've got to 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:18.120 make a ritual to you know, for your dead profit. Sure, okay, 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:18.640 I get it. 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:24.800 So they look around, Ellie finds the radio and they realize, 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:28.000 oh shit, the backup is the wolf. Backup must be coming. 0:15:28.600 --> 0:15:32.000 So they hide and now it becomes the video game, 0:15:32.080 --> 0:15:35.640 right They have to escape from the wolf. They get 0:15:35.760 --> 0:15:39.720 separated for a brief period of time, but then Ellie 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:43.040 goes to choke out one of these wolf guys in 0:15:43.560 --> 0:15:46.560 one of the most explicitly like video game action sequences. 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:48.360 She sneaks up, she jumps on his back, just like. 0:15:48.480 --> 0:15:52.880 I loved how hard they made it look. 0:15:52.960 --> 0:15:55.200 I have to say that bit really brought me back 0:15:55.240 --> 0:15:57.840 into the game again, and also into the reality of 0:15:57.880 --> 0:16:00.600 the world, which is Ellie as a teenager and leverage 0:16:00.640 --> 0:16:02.760 is great. And while real naked choke holds are great 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:04.960 and she is, it's still an adult man. 0:16:05.280 --> 0:16:06.800 You know, so I thought they did a good job 0:16:06.800 --> 0:16:08.560 of making that fight look real. Do you know she's 0:16:08.600 --> 0:16:10.000 just out killing people now too. 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:16.040 She killed Love, she kills another, and they escape into 0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:21.040 what we learn is one of these walled off tunnels 0:16:21.080 --> 0:16:25.680 that lead underground. The wolves follow them down there, and 0:16:26.640 --> 0:16:29.600 they're throwing flares all around so they can see around, 0:16:29.680 --> 0:16:32.920 and these trigger the cordy steps tendrils, and next thing 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:34.880 you know, there's a fucking horde in here and it's 0:16:34.920 --> 0:16:35.360 real mad. 0:16:35.720 --> 0:16:37.800 Yeah, and it's like in some basically in a metro 0:16:37.920 --> 0:16:41.440 train kind of yeah, and yeah, but it's bad times. 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:41.720 Guys. 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:45.720 There's so many of them and it's not looking good 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:48.080 for for any of them. And this is where I 0:16:48.120 --> 0:16:51.240 will say again, a little bit of a little bit 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:55.840 of plot armor is coming in there for Stick in 0:16:55.880 --> 0:16:59.800 this episode without Joel, you do start to question, mostly, 0:16:59.840 --> 0:17:03.320 I think because to me, they are trying to balance 0:17:03.400 --> 0:17:07.680 this kind of light hearted Ellie with Dina, which I'm 0:17:07.760 --> 0:17:08.320 really happy. 0:17:08.400 --> 0:17:09.439 I want her to be happy. 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:13.040 That's our girl, but like I don't feel like she 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:16.119 is making the kind of serious decisions that make you 0:17:16.200 --> 0:17:18.240 think in the game, well, okay, she's actually going to 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:20.880 be able to survive this here, it's a lot, there's. 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:21.760 A silliness to it. 0:17:21.800 --> 0:17:24.840 There's kind of like a recklessness that really have me thinking, 0:17:25.000 --> 0:17:27.480 like these two are dying, Like there's no way they 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:27.960 don't die. 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:29.720 If this is a real situation. 0:17:30.119 --> 0:17:33.439 There's a reality that has been established over one season 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:36.159 of this show, plus these epis, plus the episodes preceding this, 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:41.080 that I think has been heightened certainly, like noticeably heightened 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:42.000 for this episode. 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:42.840 Yeah, I agree. 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:46.440 Anyway, Ellie and Dina are fleeing. They flee into a 0:17:46.480 --> 0:17:48.160 train out of a train, on the top of a train. 0:17:48.200 --> 0:17:50.879 They run. There's so many up the stairs out of 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:54.320 the train tunnel. They get kind of hung up on 0:17:54.359 --> 0:17:56.680 this turnstile as they're trying to get through. Ellie gets through, 0:17:56.720 --> 0:17:58.760 and then Dina's trying to get through and she's kind 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:00.359 of trapped in there for a second, and one of 0:18:00.400 --> 0:18:02.719 the infected runs up and is about to bite her, 0:18:02.760 --> 0:18:06.479 so Ellie puts her arm out unless the infected bite it, 0:18:07.040 --> 0:18:11.239 and crazy Dina is shocked by this, but there's no 0:18:11.320 --> 0:18:15.040 time to really think. They escape. They get to the theater, 0:18:15.160 --> 0:18:18.840 which is one of the famous havens from the Last 0:18:18.880 --> 0:18:21.760 of Us Too, and when they're in the lobby of 0:18:21.800 --> 0:18:25.720 the theater. Ellie is thinking nothing really that dramatic, other 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:27.680 than their escape has happened. But when she turns around, 0:18:27.680 --> 0:18:29.399 Dina has her gun out and she's about to blow 0:18:29.680 --> 0:18:30.560 Ellie's brains out. 0:18:30.600 --> 0:18:32.359 Why didn't Ellie tell her this before? 0:18:32.440 --> 0:18:36.600 I will say, big, big mistake, Ellie, You're silly, gun. 0:18:36.560 --> 0:18:41.200 Says, somewhat unrealistic. I think that Dina wouldn't just blow 0:18:41.240 --> 0:18:41.920 her head. 0:18:42.080 --> 0:18:45.240 I know that's what I think too. I think Dina. 0:18:45.040 --> 0:18:46.639 Probably would have shown her in the head from the 0:18:46.680 --> 0:18:48.400 back so she didn't have to look at her. 0:18:48.840 --> 0:18:51.119 But this is I don't think you would get this 0:18:51.240 --> 0:18:54.400 kind of emotional I think you would have been. 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:57.040 She's so clearly been trained by Joel, so easy to 0:18:57.040 --> 0:18:59.560 shoot someone down. I did find this to be a 0:18:59.600 --> 0:19:04.240 little a kind of little again plot or coming out. 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:07.320 We know Ellie is not going to die in this moment, 0:19:07.359 --> 0:19:10.600 but I do think that there was different discussions that 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:12.679 could have been had also, And I think we'll talk 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:13.239 about this more. 0:19:13.280 --> 0:19:15.200 But when you are a teenage. 0:19:14.920 --> 0:19:17.480 Girl, or when you in real life, or when you're 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:20.000 reading teenage girls in a Ya novel or something, guess 0:19:20.000 --> 0:19:21.159 what teenage girls always do. 0:19:21.359 --> 0:19:23.440 They always tell their best friends their secrets. 0:19:23.600 --> 0:19:26.560 There's no fucking way that Ellie lived there for five 0:19:26.760 --> 0:19:29.480 years being friends with Dina and Jesse and didn't fucking 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:31.920 tell them she's immune. I that just doesn't make sense, 0:19:31.920 --> 0:19:33.400 and it would have made this make more sense. 0:19:33.400 --> 0:19:35.679 But I get it. They want a little dramatic moment. 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:38.160 And I'm sure you guys can guess that she does 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:39.320 not shoot Ellie. 0:19:39.680 --> 0:19:41.879 That would be crazy, though, that would be a crazy twist. 0:19:41.920 --> 0:19:44.160 So Ellie is like, oh, this little thing, this bite, 0:19:44.240 --> 0:19:46.800 did I never tell you about the immunity thing? So listen, 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:50.080 here's the deal. I'm immune. I understand that you don't 0:19:50.080 --> 0:19:51.840 believe me right now, but I'm gonna go over here, 0:19:51.920 --> 0:19:53.800 bandage this up, and fall asleep. And you're just like, 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:55.800 keep your gun on me and watch me. If I turn, 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:58.840 you shoot me. But I won't. So when Ellie wakes up, 0:20:00.040 --> 0:20:03.320 she's like, ha ha, look at this. I am immune. 0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:06.000 Look I unbandaged my arm and the and the bite 0:20:06.000 --> 0:20:11.280 looks nasty but it's not clearly not forceps infected. And 0:20:11.320 --> 0:20:14.960 Dina's like, this is fucking amazing. And since we're sharing secrets, 0:20:15.480 --> 0:20:21.880 I am pregnant Jesse's baby okay, and and Ellie's like, well, 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:24.639 how do you know, Like that's a really old and 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:28.000 that was what she found in the pregnant bodego was 0:20:28.040 --> 0:20:30.480 a pregnancy test. She's like, well that was a really old, 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:32.800