1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:05,440 Speaker 1: Wording. Today's episode contains spoilers for episode four, season two 2 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:10,800 Speaker 1: of the Last of Us. 3 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:24,800 Speaker 2: Hello. 4 00:00:25,360 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 3: Hey, it is Jason Catepcio and I'm Rosie Night and. 5 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:30,840 Speaker 1: Welcome back to x Ray video of the podcast where 6 00:00:30,840 --> 00:00:34,000 Speaker 1: we dive the to your Babe shows, movies, comments, and 7 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: pop culture. Coming to you from My Art podcast, where 8 00:00:36,760 --> 00:00:38,920 Speaker 1: we're bringing you three episodes a week every Tuesday, Wednesday, 9 00:00:38,960 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 1: Thursday plus news. 10 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 3: In today's episode, we're talking about It. 11 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 4: It's the fourth episode of the Last of Us season two. 12 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,479 Speaker 4: We are now officially over halfway through the Last of 13 00:00:50,520 --> 00:00:52,440 Speaker 4: Us season two, and it's making me and Jason feel 14 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 4: some things. I think the Internet is feeling some things too, 15 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 4: So we're going to talk about it. 16 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: Let's get into it. We open on a flashback twenty 17 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 1: eighteen the Seattle quarantine Zone. We're in a Federa van 18 00:01:04,800 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: and the Federa dudes are assholes. They're talking shit about 19 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:14,319 Speaker 1: the residents of the quarantine zone, who they call voters. 20 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 3: Because they're no longer allowed to vote yes. 21 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: And they're talking about like a particularly brutal Federra commander 22 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:29,320 Speaker 1: who is also very stupid, who is beating these residents 23 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:33,559 Speaker 1: ruthlessly because they're handing out pamphlets, which we later find 24 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:40,119 Speaker 1: out are like proto Serahphyte pamphlets, and all these federal 25 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: soldiers are laughing about how brutal this dummy is. And 26 00:01:43,840 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 1: then one of them, Isaac answers one of the younger 27 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:49,760 Speaker 1: feder you know, why do we call them voters? And 28 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:53,880 Speaker 1: to as you said, Rosie, it's because, as Isaac says, 29 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: we took away their ability to vote, and now we 30 00:01:56,200 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 1: jokingly call them voters. Their patrol vehicle stops because there's 31 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: a bus that's been pulled across this like suburban street, 32 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, oh, what does this mean? Could 33 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,959 Speaker 1: it be the WLF, could it be somebody else? And 34 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: Sergeant's like, I'm going to go out. I'm going to 35 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: talk peacefully to them. Okay, So everybody's stay in the van. 36 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: You new guy, come with me. 37 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:19,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's like you who asked about the voters, who 38 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,519 Speaker 2: seems to have not necessarily found the right you haven't. 39 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:27,519 Speaker 1: Been molded by the brutality yet. Come with me. And 40 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,760 Speaker 1: there's a bunch of civilians in the street. They're unarmed, 41 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: but they seem very you know, prepared for a confrontation, 42 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: despite the fact that they're unarmed. Their leader is Hanrahan 43 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: Alana Youbach, the wonderful usually comedic. 44 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 2: Yes, shocking to see, just a little bit of just 45 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 2: a little. 46 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 3: Bit of sad face acting. 47 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,200 Speaker 2: And she really like sucked me in, Like you can 48 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 2: tell she's tired. 49 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: She's tired and is shit. She she has been waiting 50 00:02:53,040 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: for Isaac, and apparently they've been, you know, expecting each other. 51 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: So Isaac is like, you Handrahan. She's like, yeah, it's 52 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 1: like you Isaac. Yes. They shake hands and then Isaac 53 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: turns back towards his patrol vehicle, pops two grenades out 54 00:03:07,160 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: of his vest, throws them in the van, shuts the 55 00:03:09,880 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 1: van door, blows up all the guys inside, Wow, kills 56 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: the driver as he tumbles out, and then turns to 57 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:18,560 Speaker 1: the new guy and is like, okay, I make your choice. 58 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: What do you want to do? 59 00:03:19,560 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, tricky, And he makes this really interesting comment where 60 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 2: he kind of says he throws in the grenades and 61 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 2: then he shuts the door, and he's like, it's. 62 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:28,840 Speaker 3: Because you're all that guy. 63 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 2: You're all that same guy who will smash someone's face 64 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 2: against a wall and laugh about it. 65 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 3: And laugh about it. 66 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 2: Also absolutely hilarious to see Drake from Drake and Josh 67 00:03:38,800 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: theare that was, whichever one it was. I was like, 68 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 2: great character casting. 69 00:03:43,640 --> 00:03:45,640 Speaker 3: Like I love to see this. This throws me back. 70 00:03:45,920 --> 00:03:49,720 Speaker 2: Also kind of terrifying to see a kid actor and 71 00:03:49,760 --> 00:03:52,080 Speaker 2: someone that you kind of grew up with as just 72 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 2: like the worst person you could ever know in and. 73 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,920 Speaker 3: Apocolypch feels very real. But yeah, he does have that. 74 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 1: He does have that like punchable popular kid face exactly. 75 00:04:02,200 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 2: And I thought this was just such a fantastic cold 76 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 2: open and definitely, like, I think it's probably the strongest 77 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,320 Speaker 2: part of the episode because it really establishes just how 78 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 2: much okay, yeah, how much of a kind of crazy 79 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:19,480 Speaker 2: space Seattle was back then in twenty eighteen, and why 80 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 2: it is no longer under feder Come on. 81 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:27,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, So we go to the present. Dina and Ellie 82 00:04:27,920 --> 00:04:33,760 Speaker 1: are scouting. They see a w WLF. Oh wait, I've 83 00:04:33,960 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: fast forward. Sorry, we flashed back to the present. It's 84 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,839 Speaker 1: now eleven years later. Dina and Ellie are scavenging around 85 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,800 Speaker 1: buildings very much like the video game. Dina finds something 86 00:04:44,839 --> 00:04:46,840 Speaker 1: which we will later find out what it is because 87 00:04:46,880 --> 00:04:55,120 Speaker 1: she's in like a drug store or prescription drugs. They 88 00:04:55,120 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: then ride into the Capitol District and this it. They're 89 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:02,479 Speaker 1: surprised at how intact it is because it was supposedly 90 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: bombed out. There's gay pride symbols and flags everywhere, but 91 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,919 Speaker 1: the girls don't know what that means. They think. Ellie 92 00:05:11,200 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 1: wonders if it means that they were just like happy 93 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 1: and optimistic. There are skeletons of feder soldiers everywhere and 94 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: tank but burned out tanks that have been overgrown with moss. 95 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 1: Clearly there is a battle here. Ellie investigates the tank, 96 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: doesn't find anything but makes a loud noise. Luckily, No, 97 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you any quick slap, like you have 98 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: to be. 99 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 2: The one in control here. You are the Joel in 100 00:05:37,920 --> 00:05:41,359 Speaker 2: this situation. She's very much Ah, you are not, but 101 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,440 Speaker 2: you need to be for Dina. I'm for you to 102 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 2: survive like that was such a I'm not gonna lie. 103 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 2: Would I also do that in the apocalypse, Yes, but 104 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:51,920 Speaker 2: that's why I would die like five years ago, I 105 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 2: have nice I'm no understanding, I'm no misunderstanding. 106 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:58,280 Speaker 3: I would die. I can't run, I'm not quiet, I'm clumsy. 107 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:02,200 Speaker 2: But Ellie like, come on, I know you're immune, but please, babe, 108 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 2: do not make the ringing fucking like gong. 109 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:08,080 Speaker 3: Noise to let people know where you are. 110 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:12,159 Speaker 1: They spot a tower on a hill that has a 111 00:06:12,320 --> 00:06:17,880 Speaker 1: WLF marker on one of its no longer operational satellite dishes, 112 00:06:18,279 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: and Ellie's like, great, let's go, let's run in again. 113 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,919 Speaker 1: Kind of a weird characterization of Ellie is like the 114 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:29,960 Speaker 1: tumble into kind of reckless. Yeah. Dina is like, wait 115 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,679 Speaker 1: a second. They're on an elevated position, they're in a tower. 116 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: They'll see us coming. We're going to ride up on 117 00:06:34,520 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: a horse. Two people like, let's wait until dark. So 118 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 1: they go and find a place to hold up until dark. 119 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: It's a record store. They are looking around. There's guitars 120 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: and stuff. Upstairs. Ellie finds an acoustic guitar that is 121 00:06:49,880 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: in unrealistically good. 122 00:06:51,480 --> 00:06:53,680 Speaker 2: That shit would be warped as well, because this room 123 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:55,920 Speaker 2: had to be so humid for all those plants. 124 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:59,679 Speaker 1: This is the Pacific, this is a Pacific Northwest, Like, it's. 125 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 3: Very what it would be warped. 126 00:07:01,680 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 2: And we get it, like, you know, we get it, 127 00:07:04,640 --> 00:07:06,440 Speaker 2: and you get some beautiful shots of the guitar, but 128 00:07:06,600 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 2: come on, I'm saying is this is something I will 129 00:07:09,080 --> 00:07:11,840 Speaker 2: bring up throughout our discussion. This is the first episode 130 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 2: of the Last of Us where I kind of got 131 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 2: a little pushed out of the logic of the show 132 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 2: in a way that kind of this usually just immerses 133 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 2: me emotionally and vibes wise, and this was the first 134 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 2: one where there was a few different things that kind 135 00:07:28,280 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 2: of took me out. Now, this it took me out 136 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:32,720 Speaker 2: a little bit, but I'm willing to accept it because 137 00:07:32,760 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 2: I know the importance of the guitar. But the next 138 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 2: choice they make. 139 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 1: I just want to say before I continue the recap, 140 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: but I think that this is I think what we're 141 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: both reacting. Certainly, what my thoughts watching this was this 142 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:50,760 Speaker 1: is the most explicitly video game loyal episode that we've 143 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: seen for me, and I think that's kind of what 144 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: pushes you out of the reality of it is some 145 00:07:58,360 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 1: of these video game moments that butt up against the 146 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: reality that has been established in the show version of 147 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: this story. 148 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 3: I think that's a great way of putting it. 149 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: So Ellie plays take on Me by Aha. But like 150 00:08:12,920 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: the whole song, the entire thing, it's only seven episodes, guys, 151 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: can we anyway Dina comes upstairs and sees this and 152 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: hears this and is like, oh, ship, now I'm already. 153 00:08:25,760 --> 00:08:30,440 Speaker 1: Now I'm really falling in love. And you know, Ellie 154 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,719 Speaker 1: is like, there was Joel. Joel taught me how to 155 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: play guitar, and you know they're they're both in that 156 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 1: moment very thankful for their past relationships with Joel. Elsewhere, 157 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: Isaac now the leader of the wolf, or a leader, 158 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:48,960 Speaker 1: we should say, it's it's unclear what the same hierarchy is. 159 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:53,640 Speaker 3: He's at least that he's allowed to torture people, you know. 160 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:57,360 Speaker 1: So he lights a stove and he's giving this monologue 161 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: about how in the past, you know, when he was 162 00:08:59,440 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 1: wooing a woman, he would lean on his culinary skills, 163 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: and how back then he always wanted this specific brand 164 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: of French cook wear that was very expensive, but now 165 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: that like le apocalypse has happened, he can just have 166 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: it because it's free. 167 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:16,479 Speaker 3: That would be like me with Lacrousete. 168 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:18,839 Speaker 2: I'll be living in the Lacrosse life before I get 169 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:20,640 Speaker 2: hit by his zombie. I have a cook at least 170 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,480 Speaker 2: at least once stew and at lacrase, I have. 171 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:26,160 Speaker 1: A couple of pieces of Lacrousette and I do love them. 172 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: And you know, he's heating this beautiful bronze pan copper 173 00:09:32,080 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 1: pan on a gas stove, and it turns out that 174 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:40,000 Speaker 1: he's interrogating a naked and chained Seraphyte who has been 175 00:09:40,120 --> 00:09:46,200 Speaker 1: beaten brutally. And this Seraphyite is a fanatic, and Isaac 176 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 1: is burning him with the pan, saying like, where are 177 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:51,400 Speaker 1: you going to attack next? What's happening? They get into 178 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:57,160 Speaker 1: this kind of brief argument about like who broke the 179 00:09:57,160 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: there's a truce apparently, so who broke the truth? Did 180 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: this Serifices break the truce by killing a child, the 181 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,480 Speaker 1: WLF child with an arrow? Or did the WLF break 182 00:10:07,480 --> 00:10:12,880 Speaker 1: the truce by killing various members of the scars in 183 00:10:13,080 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: other ways? And they go back and forth about this, 184 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 1: and I Wasac's like, I don't care about that, Like, 185 00:10:16,880 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 1: just tell me where you guys are attacking next. And 186 00:10:19,520 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: then it becomes very clear that this serified is not 187 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: going to talk. Offers his other hand even offers up 188 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: like go ahead, burn the other hands. So then Isaac, 189 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:31,520 Speaker 1: finally fed up, shoots this guy. 190 00:10:31,840 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 2: I found this really hard to watch, which I do 191 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 2: think is meant to be the point, but again when 192 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 2: it comes with the logic of the show, and also 193 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,959 Speaker 2: like the choices they've made, for example, like the way 194 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 2: they chose to show Joel's death compared to how we 195 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:46,839 Speaker 2: get it in the game. 196 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 3: I thought that was a really. 197 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 2: Thoughtful, evocative, scary, leaves up to your imagination kind of moment, 198 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:55,560 Speaker 2: even though we did see the moment of death. This 199 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 2: to me felt almost like in the torture porn realm. 200 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 2: And I understand and that it is leaning into what 201 00:11:01,840 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 2: we can evocative of real things we've seen in war, 202 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 2: but it didn't work for me in the context of 203 00:11:07,480 --> 00:11:07,800 Speaker 2: the show. 204 00:11:07,800 --> 00:11:08,520 Speaker 3: It was too much. 205 00:11:09,400 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 1: I think the show has been is cognizant of that, 206 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 1: and they always add in scenes like this. They'll have 207 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: like the younger member of the WLF, Like they have 208 00:11:22,920 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: that scene the torture is going on outside and there's 209 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:28,760 Speaker 1: a guy, there's a younger guy outside and he's like, 210 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,560 Speaker 1: this is really fucked up. This is really fucked up. 211 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 1: The other guy is like, Isaac knows what he's doing. 212 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: This is great. It was Francois Truffaux, I think I 213 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,440 Speaker 1: believe who said, you know, there's no such thing as 214 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: an anti war movie, and I think that's true. I 215 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,440 Speaker 1: think that I think that's how the scene made me 216 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: feel like that there's no even though we're meant to 217 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:50,160 Speaker 1: understand the brutality, the horror of the inhumanity of this scene, 218 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:56,520 Speaker 1: it left me wondering, are we not elevating it anyway? 219 00:11:56,920 --> 00:11:59,200 Speaker 2: You know, you're not still having Jeffrey Wright do it 220 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 2: while giving a full monologue about, you know, the life 221 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 2: he led before. 222 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 3: I'm also very interested. 223 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,319 Speaker 2: This is more of a conversation I want on discord 224 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:10,079 Speaker 2: to have and i want to see what the Internet thinks. 225 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 2: I'm very interested in the difference in representation of the 226 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 2: Serophytes and the WLF and the way that they're kind 227 00:12:15,640 --> 00:12:17,840 Speaker 2: of representing them here compared to the game. I do 228 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,640 Speaker 2: think there is an added complexity to the to the wh. 229 00:12:21,160 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 1: No, for sure, I think both sides, even the Seraphytes, 230 00:12:24,320 --> 00:12:27,000 Speaker 1: like this. The Seraphytes says something to the effect of, 231 00:12:27,360 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 1: you really get the feeling of how deeply they're they 232 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:35,200 Speaker 1: really believe their religious feeling for this for this profit 233 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:39,360 Speaker 1: is very deep. And this person who's being tortured says, 234 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:41,839 Speaker 1: you know, every day you're going to lose because every 235 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,440 Speaker 1: day we get stronger and every day you get weaker 236 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: despite the fact that you have tanks. 237 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 2: And the irony is seeing him torture this guy, Like 238 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 2: this kind of proves that in its own way, right. 239 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: It made me feel a lot of the way I 240 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 1: felt about playing the game, which is like I'm getting 241 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:00,559 Speaker 1: worn out by this violence. 242 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,319 Speaker 3: Yeah, this bleakness. 243 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I did feel a little bit like that 244 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:05,559 Speaker 1: with this. 245 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 3: I think it's I. 246 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:11,000 Speaker 2: Think it's the nudity, the skinniness of the actor. It's 247 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 2: very evocative of people in war camps, things we've sin 248 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,560 Speaker 2: in real life. Things are going on right now. So 249 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 2: it's like, yeah, it was a bit too much for me, 250 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 2: and I think you're right. This is the first time 251 00:13:19,400 --> 00:13:21,480 Speaker 2: where I got that same I had that same feeling 252 00:13:21,480 --> 00:13:23,640 Speaker 2: with the game of like the bleakness. But I think 253 00:13:24,080 --> 00:13:26,600 Speaker 2: that actually might be something this episode is struggling with 254 00:13:26,640 --> 00:13:29,240 Speaker 2: because you know what in the game, and this is 255 00:13:29,280 --> 00:13:31,680 Speaker 2: bleak because your action in the game it's killing people. 256 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:33,080 Speaker 2: Like by the time in the game you get here, 257 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,079 Speaker 2: you've killed so many people. But like there is that 258 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 2: in part of the game that actually engages your brain 259 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 2: and is like, now you. 260 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 3: Have to go and do this. Here's an activity. 261 00:13:42,960 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 2: Here's the little bit of dopamine that you get from 262 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,280 Speaker 2: playing this game. You don't necessarily get that in the 263 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 2: same way as you do in a video game. 264 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:53,920 Speaker 3: Here, because you're just now, you're just watching. 265 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:10,079 Speaker 1: Ellie and Dina at night sneak up to the tower. 266 00:14:11,440 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 1: Dina funds sees the way in. There's a broken window 267 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:16,000 Speaker 1: and you can get in there. But what do they do? 268 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:20,080 Speaker 1: Dina says, if we encounter other wolves, like wolves who 269 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:23,480 Speaker 1: weren't responsible for Jackson and for Joel's death, what do 270 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: we do if we find them? And Ellie just like 271 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: gives her a look like obviously we fucking murder these people. 272 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:29,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, like we're gonna kill him. Don't you have a guard? 273 00:14:30,000 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: We're gonna kill them, right and uh And Dina's like, 274 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: oh yeah, I get it, Like yeah for sure. So 275 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: inside they go in and immediately in a hallway they 276 00:14:38,640 --> 00:14:41,480 Speaker 1: find one of the w lf riddled with arrows, and 277 00:14:41,480 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: they're like, oh, this is those people on the trail 278 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: who are responsible. This is who did this. And then 279 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 1: they go in to like a larger room kind of 280 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: like like. 281 00:14:49,960 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 5: Theater or a kind of like way I think it 282 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,800 Speaker 5: was as it was a news studio I think like 283 00:14:55,920 --> 00:15:00,040 Speaker 5: a so like a you know, a broadcast studio, and 284 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:05,600 Speaker 5: there's several WLF bodies mutilated in Hannibal Lecter style. 285 00:15:05,720 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 2: There hung up, the guts are falling. Now, it's very dramatic. 286 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 2: I feel like the Seraphites have too much time on 287 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,840 Speaker 2: their hands. I'm not gonna lie when you've got to 288 00:15:14,880 --> 00:15:18,120 Speaker 2: make a ritual to you know, for your dead profit. Sure, okay, 289 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 2: I get it. 290 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:24,800 Speaker 1: So they look around, Ellie finds the radio and they realize, 291 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 1: oh shit, the backup is the wolf. Backup must be coming. 292 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:32,000 Speaker 1: So they hide and now it becomes the video game, 293 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:35,640 Speaker 1: right They have to escape from the wolf. They get 294 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:39,720 Speaker 1: separated for a brief period of time, but then Ellie 295 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: goes to choke out one of these wolf guys in 296 00:15:43,560 --> 00:15:46,560 Speaker 1: one of the most explicitly like video game action sequences. 297 00:15:46,560 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: She sneaks up, she jumps on his back, just like. 298 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 3: I loved how hard they made it look. 299 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 2: I have to say that bit really brought me back 300 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:57,840 Speaker 2: into the game again, and also into the reality of 301 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:00,600 Speaker 2: the world, which is Ellie as a teenager and leverage 302 00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 2: is great. And while real naked choke holds are great 303 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 2: and she is, it's still an adult man. 304 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 3: You know, so I thought they did a good job 305 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 3: of making that fight look real. Do you know she's 306 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 3: just out killing people now too. 307 00:16:10,280 --> 00:16:16,040 Speaker 1: She killed Love, she kills another, and they escape into 308 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 1: what we learn is one of these walled off tunnels 309 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:25,680 Speaker 1: that lead underground. The wolves follow them down there, and 310 00:16:26,640 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: they're throwing flares all around so they can see around, 311 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 1: and these trigger the cordy steps tendrils, and next thing 312 00:16:32,920 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: you know, there's a fucking horde in here and it's 313 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: real mad. 314 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's like in some basically in a metro 315 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 2: train kind of yeah, and yeah, but it's bad times. 316 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 3: Guys. 317 00:16:41,720 --> 00:16:45,720 Speaker 2: There's so many of them and it's not looking good 318 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 2: for for any of them. And this is where I 319 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:51,240 Speaker 2: will say again, a little bit of a little bit 320 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 2: of plot armor is coming in there for Stick in 321 00:16:55,880 --> 00:16:59,800 Speaker 2: this episode without Joel, you do start to question, mostly, 322 00:16:59,840 --> 00:17:03,320 Speaker 2: I think because to me, they are trying to balance 323 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 2: this kind of light hearted Ellie with Dina, which I'm 324 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 2: really happy. 325 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:09,439 Speaker 3: I want her to be happy. 326 00:17:09,480 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 2: That's our girl, but like I don't feel like she 327 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,119 Speaker 2: is making the kind of serious decisions that make you 328 00:17:16,200 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 2: think in the game, well, okay, she's actually going to 329 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:20,880 Speaker 2: be able to survive this here, it's a lot, there's. 330 00:17:20,720 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 3: A silliness to it. 331 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 2: There's kind of like a recklessness that really have me thinking, 332 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:27,480 Speaker 2: like these two are dying, Like there's no way they 333 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:27,960 Speaker 2: don't die. 334 00:17:28,040 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 3: If this is a real situation. 335 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 1: There's a reality that has been established over one season 336 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,159 Speaker 1: of this show, plus these epis, plus the episodes preceding this, 337 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: that I think has been heightened certainly, like noticeably heightened 338 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 1: for this episode. 339 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree. 340 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,440 Speaker 1: Anyway, Ellie and Dina are fleeing. They flee into a 341 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 1: train out of a train, on the top of a train. 342 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 1: They run. There's so many up the stairs out of 343 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: the train tunnel. They get kind of hung up on 344 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 1: this turnstile as they're trying to get through. Ellie gets through, 345 00:17:56,720 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: and then Dina's trying to get through and she's kind 346 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 1: of trapped in there for a second, and one of 347 00:18:00,400 --> 00:18:02,719 Speaker 1: the infected runs up and is about to bite her, 348 00:18:02,760 --> 00:18:06,479 Speaker 1: so Ellie puts her arm out unless the infected bite it, 349 00:18:07,040 --> 00:18:11,239 Speaker 1: and crazy Dina is shocked by this, but there's no 350 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:15,040 Speaker 1: time to really think. They escape. They get to the theater, 351 00:18:15,160 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: which is one of the famous havens from the Last 352 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: of Us Too, and when they're in the lobby of 353 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:25,720 Speaker 1: the theater. Ellie is thinking nothing really that dramatic, other 354 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: than their escape has happened. But when she turns around, 355 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 1: Dina has her gun out and she's about to blow 356 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: Ellie's brains out. 357 00:18:30,600 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 3: Why didn't Ellie tell her this before? 358 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:36,600 Speaker 2: I will say, big, big mistake, Ellie, You're silly, gun. 359 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: Says, somewhat unrealistic. I think that Dina wouldn't just blow 360 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: her head. 361 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 3: I know that's what I think too. I think Dina. 362 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:46,639 Speaker 2: Probably would have shown her in the head from the 363 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 2: back so she didn't have to look at her. 364 00:18:48,840 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 3: But this is I don't think you would get this 365 00:18:51,240 --> 00:18:54,400 Speaker 3: kind of emotional I think you would have been. 366 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 2: She's so clearly been trained by Joel, so easy to 367 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,560 Speaker 2: shoot someone down. I did find this to be a 368 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 2: little a kind of little again plot or coming out. 369 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 2: We know Ellie is not going to die in this moment, 370 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 2: but I do think that there was different discussions that 371 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 2: could have been had also, And I think we'll talk 372 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:13,239 Speaker 2: about this more. 373 00:19:13,280 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 3: But when you are a teenage. 374 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,480 Speaker 2: Girl, or when you in real life, or when you're 375 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 2: reading teenage girls in a Ya novel or something, guess 376 00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,159 Speaker 2: what teenage girls always do. 377 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:23,440 Speaker 3: They always tell their best friends their secrets. 378 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 2: There's no fucking way that Ellie lived there for five 379 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,480 Speaker 2: years being friends with Dina and Jesse and didn't fucking 380 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 2: tell them she's immune. I that just doesn't make sense, 381 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:33,400 Speaker 2: and it would have made this make more sense. 382 00:19:33,400 --> 00:19:35,679 Speaker 3: But I get it. They want a little dramatic moment. 383 00:19:36,200 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 2: And I'm sure you guys can guess that she does 384 00:19:38,200 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 2: not shoot Ellie. 385 00:19:39,680 --> 00:19:41,879 Speaker 3: That would be crazy, though, that would be a crazy twist. 386 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,160 Speaker 1: So Ellie is like, oh, this little thing, this bite, 387 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 1: did I never tell you about the immunity thing? So listen, 388 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: here's the deal. I'm immune. I understand that you don't 389 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 1: believe me right now, but I'm gonna go over here, 390 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: bandage this up, and fall asleep. And you're just like, 391 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: keep your gun on me and watch me. If I turn, 392 00:19:55,880 --> 00:19:58,840 Speaker 1: you shoot me. But I won't. So when Ellie wakes up, 393 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: she's like, ha ha, look at this. I am immune. 394 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,000 Speaker 1: Look I unbandaged my arm and the and the bite 395 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:11,280 Speaker 1: looks nasty but it's not clearly not forceps infected. And 396 00:20:11,320 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 1: Dina's like, this is fucking amazing. And since we're sharing secrets, 397 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:21,880 Speaker 1: I am pregnant Jesse's baby okay, and and Ellie's like, well, 398 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,639 Speaker 1: how do you know, Like that's a really old and 399 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: that was what she found in the pregnant bodego was 400 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: a pregnancy test. She's like, well that was a really old, 401 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,800 Speaker 1: like at least twenty year old pregnancy test. How do 402 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: you know? And then I. 403 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:38,880 Speaker 3: Was like she was she was paying for a long 404 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 3: time and. 405 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: That shows you a lot of people. They then make 406 00:20:42,560 --> 00:20:47,160 Speaker 1: out and you know, all this vulnerability, this newfound vulnerability 407 00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:49,600 Speaker 1: with each other has like leveled up their relationship. 408 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and also the hawniness that Dina's being pregnant from 409 00:20:53,520 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 2: the hormones. Suddenly they having sex and I love that 410 00:20:56,600 --> 00:20:57,520 Speaker 2: for them, Good for them. 411 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,040 Speaker 3: I support this relationship. 412 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 1: Also, I feel like maybe this is my own like 413 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: fear of viruses. 414 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 3: Thank you. I was gonna say the same thing. 415 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: But for me, I'm like, listen, I want to make 416 00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 1: out with you, obviously have I'm falling in love with you, 417 00:21:18,600 --> 00:21:20,720 Speaker 1: but let's give it another dick. Can we just let 418 00:21:20,760 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: it go. 419 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm not a couple. 420 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:29,639 Speaker 2: They might be inside of you still likes type situation. 421 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 3: You're spitting in my mouth. I'm turning into a fucking cortersps. 422 00:21:33,080 --> 00:21:35,600 Speaker 2: Like, I don't know what's going on, Like, come on, 423 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 2: I know it that again that teenage girls. But I 424 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:42,040 Speaker 2: think I think in this episode, and we're kind of 425 00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 2: talking about this a little bit before, like I think 426 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,400 Speaker 2: in this episode, I am lacking I'm lacking a little 427 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,479 Speaker 2: bit of teenage girl noess. I actually think this is 428 00:21:53,520 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 2: both kind of weirdly acting like that they're kind of 429 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:00,400 Speaker 2: sillier than teenage girls would be in this city situation, 430 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 2: but while also kind of not giving them a lot 431 00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:05,520 Speaker 2: of the complexy in depth that we could have seen. 432 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 2: We've seen a lot of YA stories, We've read a 433 00:22:08,359 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 2: lot of YA stories. Those are the stories that have 434 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 2: really pushed forward blockbuster movies for the last twenty five 435 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 2: years pre MCU. You know, Hunger Games, Twilight, Maize Runner, 436 00:22:19,359 --> 00:22:23,120 Speaker 2: and now you know, there is this wave of really incredible, thoughtful, 437 00:22:23,440 --> 00:22:26,480 Speaker 2: deep YA from all different kinds of writers that has 438 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 2: kind of exploded onto the scene. So I think here 439 00:22:29,280 --> 00:22:32,600 Speaker 2: I was just feeling a little of like the shallowness 440 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 2: of this representation of two teenage girls. But again, and 441 00:22:36,720 --> 00:22:39,800 Speaker 2: this is both a problem and a excuse or an answer, 442 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 2: is there's only seven episodes. This season, and I feel 443 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 2: like a lot of the time that was taken up. 444 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 3: This episode didn't feel as urgent to me as some 445 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 3: of the other episodes we've seen. 446 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 1: I will I will acknowledge that I think that Listen, 447 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: I thought this episode was fine. 448 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 3: But that's the first time we've used the word fine 449 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,040 Speaker 3: for this show. We are usually great. 450 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: I don't think it's bad by any means, but I 451 00:23:02,040 --> 00:23:06,359 Speaker 1: will acknowledge that I think my looking ahead towards seven 452 00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 1: episodes is does partially is hanging over my perception a 453 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 1: great episode anyway. They talk about Adina talks about why 454 00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: she and Jesse broke up, and it's typically complicated. 455 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 2: She also reveals that she had been like she was bisexual, 456 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:28,919 Speaker 2: but her mom had told her, you can't like girls, 457 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,480 Speaker 2: you can only like guys, and it sounds like with 458 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:34,280 Speaker 2: Jesse she did like him, but she was also kind 459 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 2: of trying to make herself like him because he was 460 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 2: a good guy and he was someone that. 461 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:39,800 Speaker 3: Would keep her safe. 462 00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 2: And yeah, I thought that was an interesting a little 463 00:23:42,720 --> 00:23:44,840 Speaker 2: bit more of that depth that I was hoping. I 464 00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 2: honestly could have probably watched a whole episode with just 465 00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 2: Ellie and Dina in the theater kind of trying to 466 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 2: navigate out this relationship and give us a little bit 467 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 2: more about what this relationship means to them, because the 468 00:23:57,119 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 2: show has definitely given us a little bit more than 469 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 2: the game where you're kind of just thrown into it. 470 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 2: But I also think that because you're not just thrown 471 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 2: into it, it also is giving us a little bit 472 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 2: more to question, like how. 473 00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 3: Deep is this? Like how close are they? You know? 474 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:11,000 Speaker 3: Again time issues. 475 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: The radio that they took from the Wolves comes to 476 00:24:15,359 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 1: life and they realize the Wolves are close by and 477 00:24:18,560 --> 00:24:22,000 Speaker 1: they're calling out patrol points, which Dina, because she has 478 00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 1: a map and stuff, is like, oh, I think I 479 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,560 Speaker 1: recognize where that is. Let's go to the roof and 480 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,359 Speaker 1: go check it out. So they go up there and 481 00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: they look across town and there's basically like a war 482 00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:33,800 Speaker 1: going on. Like I was like, wait a minute. 483 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,160 Speaker 3: I was like, like, who's dropping a bomb over? 484 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: That? 485 00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 3: Isn't Like that's got some problems, guys. 486 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:45,919 Speaker 1: There's like full on artillery explosions, like obvious machine gun fire, 487 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: like parts of buildings like exploding. I guess they're shooting 488 00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 1: at the seraphytes, but with such an amount of hardware 489 00:24:56,440 --> 00:25:00,159 Speaker 1: and artillery for like what is essentially like a and 490 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 1: of cult members who have bows and arrows that it 491 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:06,640 Speaker 1: kind of doesn't make sense that you use. 492 00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 2: This stuff, like uh, they still just robin hooding it 493 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,360 Speaker 2: out here, because otherwise it seems kind of crazy. 494 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 1: Because it's you see, I mean ten twelve artillery shells 495 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:19,600 Speaker 1: go off as there as they're watching, which, like, if 496 00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: you do the math is like how many how much 497 00:25:22,119 --> 00:25:26,160 Speaker 1: artillery do they have? Like using two hundred shells a day. 498 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:31,320 Speaker 1: That's kind of to get the sorrow fights, I know. Anyway, 499 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 1: so Dina points out, She's like, Okay, see that building 500 00:25:36,440 --> 00:25:40,440 Speaker 1: like across that maybe war that's going on, that's where 501 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: we need to go. And they look at this and 502 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:49,920 Speaker 1: it looks really scary and it's a mirror of when 503 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:52,680 Speaker 1: Abby and her group were looking at Jackson and seeing 504 00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:55,040 Speaker 1: how built up it was. And Ellie's like, Dina, you 505 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:57,760 Speaker 1: don't need to go, like this is actually I'm sorry 506 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: I brought you here. This is actually insane, like you're pregnant, 507 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,919 Speaker 1: you're pregnant, Like you stay, I'll go, But of course 508 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 1: Dina's like, no, I'm. 509 00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:08,360 Speaker 3: Going, as if that was never gonna act. 510 00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 1: Come, So let's talk about it. Yeah, I think it's 511 00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,800 Speaker 1: a I think it's fine, but this is the episode 512 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:35,719 Speaker 1: where it's the there. It's so heavily built on the 513 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:42,240 Speaker 1: video game style action sequences that it begins to feel 514 00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:47,439 Speaker 1: like something of a shift from the more character driven 515 00:26:49,040 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 1: stuff that we had seen previously, and which is why 516 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 1: I'm like lukewarm on this episode. It it feels a 517 00:26:56,880 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: little bit like to me because like action is it's 518 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 1: I'm not saying I don't love I love action, love action, 519 00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,120 Speaker 1: but it feels a little bit like filler, and. 520 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,119 Speaker 2: That's what I felt like, And I feel like you 521 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 2: can't have filler in a seven episode show, Like I'm sorry, 522 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 2: you just you just can't. Even if it was ten episodes, 523 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 2: maybe one filler. I also think obviously incredibly hard to 524 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 2: come back after a show where like the Last of 525 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 2: Us Season one, that was essentially seen and acclaimed as 526 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,440 Speaker 2: like a perfect show that elevated your game, that questioned 527 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:30,840 Speaker 2: choices your game made. 528 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 3: I think it's very hard to come back. 529 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 2: I think it's really hard when you obviously have to 530 00:27:36,080 --> 00:27:38,080 Speaker 2: kill your one of your leads. 531 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, two. 532 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:42,160 Speaker 2: Episodes, there's always gonna be there's always gonna it's gonna 533 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:46,879 Speaker 2: be balancing. I just don't currently I would have loved. 534 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 2: I felt like last episode they did a great job 535 00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:55,199 Speaker 2: of kind of upending my expectations where I expected that 536 00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,439 Speaker 2: bleakness to immediately just be back and that kind of 537 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 2: unrelenting depression, but instead we got to see how Jackson 538 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 2: functions as a town, and that was that kind of 539 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 2: brilliant world building that we got from episode three of 540 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:12,080 Speaker 2: season one with Bill and Frank, And I think like 541 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 2: this to me just felt like it kind of stalled 542 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 2: the flow of the show. 543 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,919 Speaker 3: I didn't really get a lot from it. 544 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:24,159 Speaker 2: I felt like things like the really big things like 545 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,560 Speaker 2: the pregnancy and Ellie revealing that she's immune, they felt 546 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 2: kind of like they just happened at the end. So 547 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 2: I just for me, this was the first one where 548 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 2: I was kind of like, oh, yeah, it's fine, which 549 00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 2: is fine. Every show is allowed to have a fine episode. 550 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 2: But I do think it's a shame because I think 551 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 2: there's another. 552 00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 3: World where this episode, with. 553 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 2: The final gay kind of the real acknowledgment of Ellie 554 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 2: and Dina and that romance, like the kind of sex 555 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 2: scene in the theater and everything, I feel like there's 556 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 2: another world where that would have been one of those 557 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 2: big beautiful moments and this kind of like this kind 558 00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:00,880 Speaker 2: of beacon of hope or but I felt like it 559 00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 2: just kind of again, it just kind of happened, and 560 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 2: we move on to the next thing. 561 00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: I think for there is a I think one of 562 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,880 Speaker 1: the things that I'm reacting to also is we get this, 563 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,800 Speaker 1: you know, this really nice scene of vulnerability between these 564 00:29:14,840 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: two characters where Ellie is admitting her immunity and then 565 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: Dina just spills out with you know, that she's pregnant 566 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,280 Speaker 1: and her relationship with Jesse and all these other things, 567 00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:30,920 Speaker 1: and and I it doesn't quite ring true to me 568 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:36,520 Speaker 1: that Dina, who has been digging, digging, digging for information 569 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:39,760 Speaker 1: from Ellie this ride out here, wouldn't then be like, 570 00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:41,480 Speaker 1: tell me more about this immunity thing. 571 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 6: Yeah, they just drop it, and and so I feel 572 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 6: like I feel like my first question would be, like, 573 00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:51,840 Speaker 6: is that what happened in Salt Lake? 574 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,520 Speaker 2: Like you all know that they just randomly came back 575 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 2: and then suddenly we're. 576 00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,960 Speaker 1: There, you know, Like, yeah, I just think they just 577 00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 1: drop in and I get I think I understand from 578 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:06,040 Speaker 1: a production standpoint that, like, you don't want to retread 579 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: on overground that the audience already knows. But it feels 580 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: to me like a wasted opportunity to not find out 581 00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,640 Speaker 1: more about what Ellie thinks about it, because like, we 582 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: actually have that very little idea about what Ellie thinks 583 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: about her immunity, if she has any survivors guilt about this, 584 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: what she feels about the things to your point, Salt 585 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,840 Speaker 1: Lake and the things that she's been through because of 586 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:37,720 Speaker 1: this immunity, And it feels like a real miss And 587 00:30:37,800 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: it feels like something would have happened in season one. 588 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,840 Speaker 1: They would have explored that emotional. 589 00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 3: Landscape, that moment. 590 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:44,520 Speaker 1: You know. 591 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 2: I think a lot about another absolutely stunning episode from 592 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 2: season one where they meet the brothers and they get 593 00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 2: to spend that time with them, and you have this 594 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 2: moment where Joel is kind of breaking through and imagine 595 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 2: a world where he could help other people. He's talking 596 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:06,760 Speaker 2: about motorbikes, he's you know, and obviously it gets thrown 597 00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 2: up in the air and it has this really tragic ending. 598 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 2: But I feel like this Ellie and Dina deserve the 599 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 2: moment like that They deserved the night making coffee like 600 00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:21,440 Speaker 2: shitty coffee over a fire, talking about what happened in 601 00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 2: Salt Lake, talking about Dina's relationship with Jesse, talking about 602 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 2: the fact Yea that her mum was homophobic, talking about 603 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 2: the fact of Ellie being immune, what does that mean 604 00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 2: to her? Also, first question is that why you were 605 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:34,720 Speaker 2: with Joel, Like what is that? 606 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 1: What? Like? 607 00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 3: We I want to know more about the fucking immunity. 608 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 2: And also, let's be real, someone like who has lived 609 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 2: in somewhere like Jackson, like Dina, I feel like there's 610 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,120 Speaker 2: a chance that the first thing she would have said is, 611 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 2: oh my god, we have to go back and tell 612 00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 2: the council we. 613 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:51,840 Speaker 3: Could change everything. 614 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 2: Why are you out here fighting like you could be 615 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 2: the cure. I think that would be most people's response. 616 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 2: I just feel like Ellie and Dina are little bit 617 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 2: underwritten here. I think hopefully, you know, looking for silver linings. 618 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 2: I hope that Game lovers who have been feeling like 619 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 2: that's the show is not as focused on the game. 620 00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 2: I hope they love this. I hope it gives them 621 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 2: that feeling again. I hope it gets them ramped up. 622 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,720 Speaker 2: I think you pulled up a great thing. I think 623 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 2: it's to do with This episode struggles with the juxtaposition 624 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 2: of being really true to the mechanics of the game 625 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 2: and staying within the reality that the show has established 626 00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 2: for it. 627 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 3: So I think that's that's what you touched on that 628 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:32,800 Speaker 3: was really great. 629 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: And tomorrow's episode of X ray Vision re recapping the 630 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:39,040 Speaker 1: next batch of and Or episodes which are fantastic, and 631 00:32:39,040 --> 00:32:41,320 Speaker 1: then we'll be gathering the Joy Council for another roundtable 632 00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:47,720 Speaker 1: on Friday. For this episode, Thanks for listening, goodbye. 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