Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: Saren, Elizabeth Ben, Noel Max. Do you know what's ridiculous?
Speaker 2: Six hosts, six hosts in a tiny.
Speaker 3: Gonna be some cross talk, y'all, It's gonna be some crosstalk.
Speaker 3: We're doing our best.
Speaker 4: Wait wait, no, no, are we cross talking?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: No, no, just barely.
Speaker 4: We're not cross talking at all?
Speaker 6: Are you?
Speaker 3: Are you being serious?
Speaker 6: Yes, well, there's a it's a it's a it's a conversation,
Speaker 6: and it's conversation. Uh, Noel Max, that that we might
Speaker 6: be interrupting. I believe producer Dave is setting up a thing.
Speaker 3: It's true. Carry on, sir Dave, were you setting.
Speaker 6: Up a thing?
Speaker 2: Oh? Sorry? Are you guys done?
Speaker 7: It's back to you.
Speaker 3: And that's the what we keep talking. I keep talking over.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you what is ridiculous. Six hosts in
Speaker 2: a tiny little box going toe to toe in an
Speaker 2: attempt to determine which show reigns supreme. This is not
Speaker 2: ridiculous Crime. It still may be a podcast about absurd
Speaker 2: and outrageous capers, heys and cons. We'll just have to see.
Speaker 2: This is also not ridiculous history. Welcome everyone, what we
Speaker 2: have here is something extra special, as the presence of
Speaker 2: all these voices will attest. This is a little something
Speaker 2: we cooked up called twenty Ridiculous Questions. It's kind of
Speaker 2: I don't know, Ben, if you will allow me, it's
Speaker 2: the Ridiculous Beast with two backs, the history back and
Speaker 2: the crime back. I don't know how that was.
Speaker 4: Some sort of hybrid of all that that's also somehow
Speaker 4: really sticky.
Speaker 2: Before I continue, let's do introductions. So from Team Ridiculous
Speaker 2: History we have Ben Bolan, Noel Brown and Max Williams.
Speaker 2: Welcome one and all.
Speaker 3: Thank you.
Speaker 2: How are we all doing today? Any any want to
Speaker 2: give any speed, any last words.
Speaker 6: I'm a big fan of Ridiculous Crime and want to
Speaker 6: shout out that show in particular, which may be somewhat redundant,
Speaker 6: but I'm not backing down from it, big fan, all right.
Speaker 2: And from Team Ridiculous Crime we have Zaren Burnett, Elizabeth
Speaker 2: Dutton and me KG.
Speaker 6: Dave Houston. Hello, what's the what's the KG? Dave?
Speaker 2: Oh? That's uh what Kyle gas from TENACIOUSD. He always
Speaker 2: says me, KG.
Speaker 3: It's me KG sucking up on them toes.
Speaker 8: That's you got it doing? Some sea push boy Friend,
Speaker 8: it sucks toes. Finally, here's the twenty twenty four now Friends.
Speaker 8: As far as the game, the game Friends.
Speaker 2: Is Pistols at Dawn, well Ben Ben wanted pistols at dawn.
Speaker 2: Zaren wanted calculating pie to the most decimal places. That's right, No,
Speaker 2: I think you wanted Bakara. I don't even know what
Speaker 2: that is.
Speaker 3: I don't know either. You guys know how to play Mancala,
Speaker 3: that's the one.
Speaker 5: I love that one.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I used to play strip Mancoa.
Speaker 4: I don't.
Speaker 9: It's one of those games where I don't fully understand
Speaker 9: the rules. I just kind of somehow, I'm accidentally good
Speaker 9: at it.
Speaker 6: Zeron, I knew that was you man, Yeah right A
Speaker 6: while lit a while.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So out of all these wonderful suggestions, we decided on
Speaker 2: the game of twenty questions. More specifically, this is going
Speaker 2: to be a game of twenty questions about historical flexes. Now,
Speaker 2: keep me honest here. A historical flex is when someone
Speaker 2: makes like a zag instead of a zig, some kind
Speaker 2: of a bold move, something that wasn't required in their position,
Speaker 2: and that maybe it brought on consequences. Is that accurate?
Speaker 9: Or perhaps an absurdly ostentatious display of disgusting wealth.
Speaker 6: You know yeah, yeah, for instance, like when uh, when
Speaker 6: you are so wealthy that you trap you go on
Speaker 6: a road trip and you break the economy of countries
Speaker 6: while you're traveling.
Speaker 7: Right Monteusas style.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, sir, Yeah see cloud outless moments.
Speaker 3: We've actually done this.
Speaker 9: Uh, a different version of this with Miles and Jack
Speaker 9: from the Daily Zeit guys and Jack brought I think
Speaker 9: one of my favorite historical flexes, which is the little
Speaker 9: known fact that Charles Darwin ate every animal.
Speaker 3: That he studied and documented.
Speaker 5: That's disgusting.
Speaker 6: Yeah, a flex may be not necessarily imbued with some
Speaker 6: kind of absolute moral right or wrong right.
Speaker 2: You know, ye exactly God.
Speaker 4: Also, another fun note about Charles Darwin is when he
Speaker 4: discovered the Glopagos tortoise, he looked at it and said,
Speaker 4: I'm going to try to ride one.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm going to write it. Then I'm going to
Speaker 7: eat it.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Darwin also a big foot fetish guy, little little known.
Speaker 6: His day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, real Maverick, anyone here a big twenty questions player anyway,
Speaker 2: Like got some tony question skills built up?
Speaker 7: Oh, I play it on my phone against friends.
Speaker 9: Yes, I only vaguely understand the concepts. I've never participated,
Speaker 9: so I'm looking forward to hopefully getting to see you
Speaker 9: guys do it right before I screw it up.
Speaker 6: Most of my friends President Company excluded, are incredibly sketchy,
Speaker 6: so every conversation is a bit like twenty questions. Well.
Speaker 2: As far as where the game comes from, there's some
Speaker 2: dispute as to where it originated, but the oldest reference
Speaker 2: seems to be in eighteen twenty two, which was when
Speaker 2: a Scottish teacher named William Fordyce Mavor Mavor Mavor who
Speaker 2: knows who cares, offered it up as a way to
Speaker 2: pass the time before TV and electricity and readily available
Speaker 2: recreational drugs.
Speaker 9: So for Dice like a street name because he carried
Speaker 9: around for Dice in his pocket.
Speaker 6: It was like his ancestors street name. He got normalized
Speaker 6: into a middle name.
Speaker 3: An Yeah, okay, fair enough.
Speaker 2: So then you fast forward like twenty years later it
Speaker 2: shows up in the US, and then it took off
Speaker 2: like wildfire. It even became a very popular quiz show
Speaker 2: in nineteen forty nine. Unfortunately, so none of you can cheat.
Speaker 2: Most of the episodes were lost when the studios wipe
Speaker 2: the tape to use it again for something else, which
Speaker 2: is outrageous, right, Like, so many beautiful live recordings have
Speaker 2: just been lost this.
Speaker 5: Way, so many questions.
Speaker 9: Was this the era of the Great Quiz Show scandals
Speaker 9: where they were all like fixed earlier?
Speaker 2: Little Yeah, yeah, but that one was like forty nine
Speaker 2: to mid fifties essentially, so probably yeah, gets right in there.
Speaker 4: I wonder if A. J. Jacobs is a fan of
Speaker 4: this game.
Speaker 6: I'm sure yeah, he probably has a book about it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, probably way better than anything you would write.
Speaker 5: Dave, Do we have like rules regulations for this or
Speaker 5: is this just the Wild West?
Speaker 2: I am glad you asked that. Before we can rumble,
Speaker 2: let's set some ground rules, all right, So the teams
Speaker 2: are pretty clear, right, This is head to head, ridiculous
Speaker 2: crime versus the ogs, the goats, ridiculous history, and score
Speaker 2: will be kept just between those two entities. So ridiculous
Speaker 2: crime versus ridiculous history. Each of us will take a
Speaker 2: turn doing what we call being the flexer. And since
Speaker 2: you can't see in the audience, I'll represent to you
Speaker 2: that each one of us are doing our best bodybuilding
Speaker 2: superposed right now to signify flex. That person takes a
Speaker 2: historical flex in mind, a person that did something, and
Speaker 2: then what they did. All three members of the other
Speaker 2: show's team can question them until either they guess correctly
Speaker 2: or their twenty questions run out, so they can ask
Speaker 2: up to twenty questions. The questions can be yes or
Speaker 2: no questions, and acceptable answers are yes, no, I don't know, maybe,
Speaker 2: or you're so far off that you should really ask
Speaker 2: a different kind of question.
Speaker 3: Different generous yeah, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: So the team correctly guesses the historical figure who did
Speaker 2: the flex, we will award them one point. If the
Speaker 2: team is also able to guess what the flex itself is,
Speaker 2: then it's at the discretion of the flexor. They can
Speaker 2: award any amount of points additionally or no points, and
Speaker 2: at the end of questioning, the flexer will reveal their
Speaker 2: historical figure and the flex and tell us a little
Speaker 2: bit about it. So that's how it's going to go.
Speaker 3: Any questions, is there a flexi or just a flex or?
Speaker 5: I think that the questioners are the flexi Yes, question.
Speaker 3: Yeah, getting the term straight, I'm good.
Speaker 6: Is there a time limit for the twenty questions?
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, we don't want to be here.
Speaker 7: My next birthday next okay, Sara is your next birthday August?
Speaker 6: But you know hey same yeah, same shout out.
Speaker 7: Okay, good summer babies.
Speaker 6: Yeah okay, So then we can we can just feel
Speaker 6: it out. We can vibe together on.
Speaker 2: That take the journey with me.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I want you to live your truth.
Speaker 7: Yeah. You guys will be the first dave. You want
Speaker 7: to go be the first flexer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's right. So the way this will go is
Speaker 2: it'll be a round robin. Everybody will get a chance
Speaker 2: to flex, and when one person's flexing, the three members
Speaker 2: of the other team will get They all get to
Speaker 2: ask questions. So, starting with me, we're going to start
Speaker 2: the invisible clock that doesn't exist. Go ahead and guess
Speaker 2: the historical flex I have in mind.
Speaker 6: Question one, is this person alive?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 6: Okay?
Speaker 9: Was this person elected to some political office?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: Man? Was this person born in America? United States for America?
Speaker 2: Yes? So that's three.
Speaker 4: That puts that puts the three questions, three questions.
Speaker 6: Yeah, keeping count all along at home, as well, Thank you,
Speaker 6: thank you, sered. Okay, did this person have siblings?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: Good question? I am gonna need to check my notes
Speaker 2: on that.
Speaker 9: Well, I would argue that if you don't know, they
Speaker 9: probably weren't noteworthy.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, no they do not.
Speaker 9: Was this person known for killing someone?
Speaker 7: Shorthand? Uh no?
Speaker 4: Why did you have to pause?
Speaker 3: Think that would be a definitive yes or no?
Speaker 6: A Max has got one, Mexic got one.
Speaker 4: I don't have one. I'm counting the number I got
Speaker 4: the question you can think, we want to question I
Speaker 4: got the number? Are we are we allowed to discuss
Speaker 4: amongst our.
Speaker 2: Conversation?
Speaker 6: That doesn't count as question six, though you get.
Speaker 2: To ask question that's five more questions.
Speaker 3: Genie rules.
Speaker 4: For another wish?
Speaker 6: I don't legal alignment?
Speaker 3: All right, we got then?
Speaker 6: Well I'm thinking, okay, so is this person known for
Speaker 6: a single historic act? No?
Speaker 9: Right, no, guys, sorry, was this person in uh films?
Speaker 6: Yes?
Speaker 4: Was this person born in the nineteen hundreds.
Speaker 2: The nineteen hundreds?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 2: Okay, I'll even give you the date, nineteen fifteen.
Speaker 9: Okay, okay, Charlie Chaplin, no is that?
Speaker 6: Sorry?
Speaker 4: No, No, they're letting us back because I was.
Speaker 6: Thinking the same thing. Okay, Uh so is this person
Speaker 6: well known today? Yes?
Speaker 7: Okay, so we're calling that your ninth question. If that
Speaker 7: if Knowles was reeled back, Okay, it was really good.
Speaker 3: Thank you very gracious.
Speaker 9: Is this person mainly known for being a star of film.
Speaker 2: It's a tough call. I'm gonna say.
Speaker 5: No.
Speaker 6: Oh, okay, is this uh uh?
Speaker 3: Keep?
Speaker 6: Does this person identify male?
Speaker 2: Yes? Did since they were deceased?
Speaker 6: Did since they were dead? Okay? Did? No?
Speaker 4: Sorry? Sorry, Max, you gotta give us one.
Speaker 6: Yeah, internal discussion. Is it Howard Hughes?
Speaker 4: So let's see it's not what well, so it's not filmed.
Speaker 3: They were in film though you said they were in films.
Speaker 4: And it put us and put us somewhere like this.
Speaker 4: I looked up Humphrey Bogart. That was eighteen hundred and.
Speaker 6: No looking at stuff up?
Speaker 2: Where was that?
Speaker 4: That was? No, you're gonna.
Speaker 3: Phones phones phones faced down?
Speaker 4: We are we are a show built around research. I researched.
Speaker 9: It was Yeah, run Dave said that this person is
Speaker 9: not known exclusively for being film stars, so it wouldn't
Speaker 9: be a Bogart type figure. Howard Hughes type figure is interesting,
Speaker 9: but he wasn't in films.
Speaker 3: He just directed.
Speaker 8: Yeah, okay, I got by the way.
Speaker 3: I didn't know at all.
Speaker 9: Until I watched The Aviator for the first time recently,
Speaker 9: which is a very good film.
Speaker 7: Okay, he was an innovator of films, like he.
Speaker 9: Really did all kinds of crazy stuff, and he was
Speaker 9: he articulously clean.
Speaker 2: For a while, like tissue boxes.
Speaker 7: And jars.
Speaker 6: Okay, was this male historical figure also active in the
Speaker 6: world of music?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, that's question twelve.
Speaker 6: Okay, Question twelve, thank you?
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 6: So yes, So I'm thinking then, was this person someone
Speaker 6: with ties to organized crime?
Speaker 2: Question thirteen reputedly?
Speaker 6: Okay, Okay, we got seven questions left you guys. Oh
Speaker 6: oh yeah, Max, ask.
Speaker 4: Is this person Frank Sinatra?
Speaker 7: Yes, questions I came.
Speaker 4: Is fun y'all.
Speaker 6: Wow, Okay, we haven't guessed the flex.
Speaker 2: Yes, So for an unnamed amount of additional points, can
Speaker 2: you guess the flex that I have in mind right now?
Speaker 9: That's how life was kind of a flex. That guy was.
Speaker 6: Super problematic flexes too.
Speaker 9: Let's see, I don't know if I know of one
Speaker 9: that I would have associate with the idea of what
Speaker 9: we're talking about.
Speaker 6: Word winning musicians in street name Old Blue Eyes.
Speaker 9: Is it something to do with with with us with
Speaker 9: like luxury type of situation?
Speaker 2: We're no longer in twenty questions?
Speaker 3: How can we?
Speaker 4: How can we possibly?
Speaker 6: We just have to know everything about Frank I guess.
Speaker 5: Take a guess.
Speaker 4: It's sort of like, did he have a freakishly large
Speaker 4: penis that he needed additional space in his pants?
Speaker 7: So then.
Speaker 4: What better guess do y'all have?
Speaker 6: Was he was he involved in some sort of government operation?
Speaker 2: I don't know, but that is not the flex.
Speaker 3: That wouldn't be.
Speaker 6: We just want to hear we don't know, Yeah, what's
Speaker 6: the flex?
Speaker 2: The flex is Francis Albert Sinatra did his own stunts
Speaker 2: in Manchurian Candidate, and as a result either broke his
Speaker 2: hand or his wrist, and then he couldn't play Dirty
Speaker 2: Harry Harry Callahan in the Dirty Harry movies.
Speaker 9: What I didn't know he was in the Manchurian Candidate.
Speaker 9: I never think of Sinatra as being an actor at all.
Speaker 3: Really.
Speaker 7: Yeah, also a bunch of movies he wanted to cdemy.
Speaker 4: I had no idea.
Speaker 9: Yeah, isn't it funny how sometimes you can just really
Speaker 9: have like a blind spot for like certain things. I mean,
Speaker 9: you know, we we researched and talk about stuff like
Speaker 9: this all the time, and I just zero awareness that
Speaker 9: Sinatra was in movies.
Speaker 6: I also propose a port banteau if we're if we're interested,
Speaker 6: this is a flex A had consequences for Old Blue Eyes,
Speaker 6: So what if we call that a flexequence.
Speaker 2: He's very flexiquent. Yeah, a little bit more color. So
Speaker 2: if you've seen the movie, Uh, he smashes his hand
Speaker 2: onto a table, and that was really him smashing his
Speaker 2: hand onto a table. Nancy Sinatra says he broke his finger.
Speaker 2: Other sources say he broke his wrist, but they all
Speaker 2: agree that it never healed right. And so he was
Speaker 2: actually attached to the first Dirty Harry movie for six months.
Speaker 2: And he gets in and they show him the three
Speaker 2: fifty seven magnum and he picks it up.
Speaker 4: That's a big gun man, yeah.
Speaker 2: And he says, and Zaren will do a better Old
Speaker 2: Blue Eye than me, but he's like, I'm afraid it's
Speaker 2: a little too big for my hands. I did find
Speaker 2: a quote from Eastwood to confirming this, because I wanted
Speaker 2: to make sure this wasn't a bunch of bs. Eastwood said,
Speaker 2: I was in post production on play Misty for me,
Speaker 2: and they called up and asked, are you still interested?
Speaker 2: In Dirty Harry, Eastwood recalled, I said, what happened to
Speaker 2: Frank Sinatra? And they said, Frank Sinatra's got some problem
Speaker 2: with his hand and he can't hold a gun. That
Speaker 2: sounded like a pretty lame excuse, but it didn't matter
Speaker 2: to me. I said, I'll do it. But since they
Speaker 2: had initially talked to me, there had been all these rewrites.
Speaker 2: I said, I'm only interested in the original script.
Speaker 3: That's a flex and another.
Speaker 9: I actually saw Dirty Harry for the first time recently
Speaker 9: and again Blind Spot. I had no idea how tied
Speaker 9: to the Zodiac Killer. Yeah, and it's sort of featured
Speaker 9: in Zodiac in the Fincher movie. They go to like
Speaker 9: the premiere and then some of the detectives are like, guys,
Speaker 9: it's over.
Speaker 3: They already made the movie about it.
Speaker 5: Well, and there was some talk in the local, like
Speaker 5: in the scene, that maybe this would draw him out
Speaker 5: for more communications because there had been a gap.
Speaker 3: Oh, you guys are in Zodiac country.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and when Sinatra couldn't do it, they're really scrambling
Speaker 2: and so yeah. A couple other actors turned it down
Speaker 2: because it was like all too weird and conservative for them,
Speaker 2: like Steve McQueen was also approached for it, and he
Speaker 2: was like, I already did a detective movie and this
Speaker 2: is doesn't fit with my with my feels.
Speaker 5: Can you imagine the Steve McQueen dirty Harry movie.
Speaker 3: Can you imagine a Frank Sinatra.
Speaker 6: Part of me is now always going to be a
Speaker 6: little bit imagining the Steve McQueen.
Speaker 5: Dirty Oh yeah, totally.
Speaker 6: I'm just caring that.
Speaker 3: Now. I need to see Bullet.
Speaker 5: Have you guys seen Li Yeah, a couple of years
Speaker 5: ago on the big screen.
Speaker 7: Yes, one of my favorite movies of all time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was amazing, the chase scene on a big screen.
Speaker 7: The sound is engines.
Speaker 5: If you ever see it playing like at an art
Speaker 5: house theater near you go.
Speaker 7: Go watch it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, really like Drive. So I think Drive was highly inspired.
Speaker 7: By pretty much every car chase since nineteen sixty nine
Speaker 7: has been inspired by Bullet.
Speaker 4: Too true, Too True.
Speaker 6: We also we did not get our wild card point
Speaker 6: for people playing a log at home. We had check
Speaker 6: me your's eron. It took us fourteen of our twenty
Speaker 6: questions to yeah to nail Nail Old Blue Eyes aka
Speaker 6: Frank A. Sinatra for a grand total of if you
Speaker 6: could get a drum roll one point.
Speaker 2: Oh, Paul, I.
Speaker 5: Do want to point out that I, you know, was
Speaker 5: suggested that maybe half a point if you if you guess,
Speaker 5: and then I was like, I just no rules. Yeah,
Speaker 5: so it's just whatever soul be.
Speaker 9: Rewarded for guessing and fewer questions. That just feels, you.
Speaker 5: Know, well, we can start where everyone starts with negative twenty.
Speaker 7: Pride. It's like you can just coact like, you know,
Speaker 7: we got ours and fourteen too, you guys night.
Speaker 5: Well maybe the team with the lowest number score gets
Speaker 5: an extra point at the end for that having that
Speaker 5: that low score, low questions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's up to your discretion. You could give five
Speaker 2: hundred points.
Speaker 6: Yeah. We can also just m PR p rriot and
Speaker 6: just you know, sort of like wait, wait, don't tell me,
Speaker 6: just kind of have a good time.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Zaren will you will you will you leave an
Speaker 9: outgoing message on my answering machine.
Speaker 2: As I just got a text. It's from sponsors. They
Speaker 2: want us to take a break, oh.
Speaker 6: Like as people are as a show.
Speaker 2: Just both Yeah, they said, hang it up, this isn't working,
Speaker 2: so let's do that and when we get back we
Speaker 2: will have been as the next flexer.
Speaker 6: And we have returned. Folks as always, thank you for
Speaker 6: joining us. This is this is round two. We're in
Speaker 6: the Luminaries of Ridiculous Crime. We'll have twenty questions to
Speaker 6: guess an historical flexer, and perhaps indeed they're flex Now,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna be honest, there is a weird one because
Speaker 6: you guys are experts, so I couldn't make it like
Speaker 6: too too easy. I'll start off by saying it is
Speaker 6: not carrot top.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, scratching out furiously.
Speaker 7: Oh, let's see for a first question, Elizabeth, you like
Speaker 7: you're the first ones. All right. The first question is
Speaker 7: is the was this person an American?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 5: Yes, lived in America, lived in America? Gentle preezing there.
Speaker 6: Okay, I'm very mpr with these.
Speaker 5: Was this person alive to see baseball?
Speaker 9: Yes, like professional baseball or just like stickball in the alley.
Speaker 6: Some form of baseball?
Speaker 2: What about plastic?
Speaker 6: Give me just a second on that one. Let me
Speaker 6: go back through my notes. That's a good question. I
Speaker 6: got to learn more about plastic. I'm gonna say no, not.
Speaker 2: Call it the graduate the way we know it. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: okay too.
Speaker 5: Well, if we're talking about.
Speaker 7: Plastics, are basically World War two, so being yeah, between
Speaker 7: the eighth nineteen nineteenth century and up to nineteen thirties.
Speaker 5: Well, vacolate was early day.
Speaker 7: No, that's the beginning of plastics.
Speaker 2: Ask about wealth?
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, go ahead, Dave, you got a shot? Dave?
Speaker 2: Uh did the I don't want to I don't want
Speaker 2: to throw away my shot. Was this person part of
Speaker 2: the elite wealth class?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 7: Okay? Was this person born in Europe?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 5: Born in Europe? American citizen ballpark range of No, put enchanted?
Speaker 5: What years?
Speaker 2: We say we.
Speaker 7: Don't have a front end, we'd have a back end.
Speaker 7: Was this was this person alive before the camera? It
Speaker 7: was invented in eighteen thirty nine?
Speaker 6: Yes, okay?
Speaker 7: Was this person they lived a long time. If they
Speaker 7: made it to plastic, right, they didn't though, Oh so plastic.
Speaker 6: They got plastic as we on the other side.
Speaker 5: Oh, okay, okay, okay. Was this person famous for their knowledge?
Speaker 6: Could you be more specific?
Speaker 5: Was this person a scientist?
Speaker 6: No?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 2: Was this person a military leader?
Speaker 6: Also?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 7: Was this person a woman?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 6: Mmm, so this will be questioned ten?
Speaker 2: Yes, correct, we have nine so far, and we have
Speaker 2: I've got it narrowed down to two people, so this
Speaker 2: should be easy.
Speaker 5: Was this person controversial in her day?
Speaker 6: Yes? Ja yeah, that was a good one.
Speaker 5: Uh zerond have a question?
Speaker 7: Was this was this woman associated with a political movement?
Speaker 6: I'm a not really no, no, Noel Max. Would you
Speaker 6: guys be comfortable say no on that one? Just to
Speaker 6: check me here?
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I would be comfortable. I forgot who who
Speaker 3: you have? So great?
Speaker 7: Great good?
Speaker 5: But whatever it is, sure this is this is a
Speaker 5: peculiar one.
Speaker 7: We've got nine guesses left.
Speaker 5: Okay, so what with our parameters? We're talking about a
Speaker 5: woman born.
Speaker 7: In Europe, becomes an American and was alive in the
Speaker 7: nineteenth century.
Speaker 5: Controversial, butsal Was this person an entertainer?
Speaker 6: No? No, I mean this is to be clear, this
Speaker 6: is a bit of a tough one. One hint I
Speaker 6: would give you is this is an excellent subject for
Speaker 6: an episode of something like Ridiculous Crime, slightly deep cut figure.
Speaker 7: Cut figure criminal pop possibly or overlapping with crime.
Speaker 5: I am having a how many questions have we had
Speaker 5: so far?
Speaker 7: When we've done twelve questions? That would be thirteenth question.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about asking about whether they were convicted of
Speaker 2: federal charges.
Speaker 5: Or any charges federal or state.
Speaker 6: We'll go with that, okay, yeah, yes, uh convicted and
Speaker 6: I'll help you out here because this is a tough one.
Speaker 6: Convicted and then ultimately fled the US.
Speaker 7: Hm hmm.
Speaker 5: I'm having a hard time on this one.
Speaker 7: This is very this person married to a fame, anybody
Speaker 7: famous or that we would know by name.
Speaker 6: M m no, No, she's sort of the protagonist. I
Speaker 6: think your story.
Speaker 5: Okay, not an entertainer.
Speaker 7: Did this person do any violence in their lifetime? Any
Speaker 7: like notable violence?
Speaker 3: I would say ordered.
Speaker 6: It, yes, yes, but not directly perhaps, right.
Speaker 9: That should be a decent hint. What kind of figures
Speaker 9: order of violence?
Speaker 7: Mob boss? Crime figure like you know?
Speaker 5: Well, I'm still I have a guess, and one of
Speaker 5: the questions knocked my guess out, but I'm still it
Speaker 5: lines up. And do you know if it's someone that
Speaker 5: we've talked about on Ridiculous Crime?
Speaker 6: Is that a question? I looked. I looked, but I'm
Speaker 6: not sure we can we can count that we can
Speaker 6: count that as a procedural one.
Speaker 5: Five questions left.
Speaker 6: And also, by the way, already got a half point
Speaker 6: with mob boss because it's a tough.
Speaker 5: One, oh mos mob Okay.
Speaker 6: Since I can just give away.
Speaker 5: Gave you the birth year of Frank Sinatra, so that
Speaker 5: was helpful.
Speaker 7: Let's see mob boss women order and had to leave America.
Speaker 5: So are we guessing its Italian Russian combatation, Yeah, Colombian.
Speaker 7: We said they were born in Europe.
Speaker 6: But this is that was just a really cool a
Speaker 6: sm R moment.
Speaker 3: I've got the tangles.
Speaker 5: Okay, so I'm thinking, okay, possibly Italian. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 5: no offense, not to pay with a broad brush.
Speaker 6: Of course.
Speaker 7: But then also we have to keep in mind that
Speaker 7: there were a lot of British and French criminals who
Speaker 7: would have MOB qualified mob.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, mob might be a little broad.
Speaker 5: Irish British woman.
Speaker 6: Maybe like gang boss gang boss.
Speaker 7: So I could think famous or semi famous gang bosses
Speaker 7: the nineteenth century who were born in Europe, born in America.
Speaker 7: Went back, Did this woman have sons?
Speaker 3: Oh? I believe there was some family, Like.
Speaker 7: The son's part of her legend, Like the sons are
Speaker 7: important to who she was.
Speaker 6: The sons are not part of where you're going.
Speaker 7: For less.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so she committed, she orders a crime, orders crimes done,
Speaker 5: and then has to flee back to Europe. And we're
Speaker 5: talking about turn of the century, it's.
Speaker 2: Gonna be Russian, like a white Russian.
Speaker 6: Who knows.
Speaker 7: I mean, it was difficult, so yeah, I think in
Speaker 7: British is my I'm leaning more British than anything. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not to be a wet blanket.
Speaker 9: But I would argue that if you can't think of
Speaker 9: the person now, you might not know the name off
Speaker 9: the top of your head.
Speaker 2: Questions.
Speaker 5: I thought it would be Dave.
Speaker 7: You got anyone to we want to pair it down
Speaker 7: a little bit. We got four questions.
Speaker 2: Let's see. I would say, you know, I don't have
Speaker 2: good guesses. So it's I'm just like with the parameters, like.
Speaker 5: I, hmm, all right.
Speaker 7: The people the person that she allegedly ordered stuff done too?
Speaker 7: Were they also famous? Would we know them?
Speaker 6: Uh? They would often be uh some of the uh,
Speaker 6: some of the better off people in New York.
Speaker 5: Can I take a swing at this?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 5: Is it? Emma Goldman?
Speaker 6: Oh? No, it is not.
Speaker 5: The only thing that doesn't fit ordering violence? No, she
Speaker 5: that was her whole thing. She ordered violence. The only
Speaker 5: thing that doesn't fit is gang. And I thought, well,
Speaker 5: if you talk about.
Speaker 7: I mean, she didn't she instructed and urged violence. I
Speaker 7: don't think she ordered. She did not directly to it.
Speaker 7: She didn't tell like, hey, Steve, come over here, hit
Speaker 7: that person, were like, go to their door, knock.
Speaker 4: On their door.
Speaker 5: When she them go after the mill people, she specifically had, Okay.
Speaker 7: All right, I'll give you that.
Speaker 2: It's the game within a game, you know what.
Speaker 6: You know what I'd like to do if the group
Speaker 6: is okay with it, I would like to say, Emma Goldman,
Speaker 6: is such such an astute, wonderful answer. It is not,
Speaker 6: in fact this person, but this person is again a
Speaker 6: very difficult uh bit of a deep cut.
Speaker 10: Uh.
Speaker 6: I'm gonna go ahead and give the full point just
Speaker 6: because this one was so tough. And your guess is I.
Speaker 11: Don't all right, mob but gang gang.
Speaker 7: Also, because I'm a Golden I would say it was
Speaker 7: associated with political movies. That's why I asked that question. Yeah,
Speaker 7: I think, like, who do you like union movements that
Speaker 7: aren't political or like labors?
Speaker 5: There? Everything's political elephants, right, you know, forty elephants were
Speaker 5: totally a gang, but they're not purely and they weren't
Speaker 5: never in the US.
Speaker 9: They were never, but.
Speaker 7: That type of mob boss would be something. Yeah, So
Speaker 7: we got two guesses came to America, probably in New York.
Speaker 7: They were in New York trying to do violence. So
Speaker 7: who and who are the New York we got, like Queenie,
Speaker 7: we've got.
Speaker 5: Well, if you're talking about gangs before the twenty and
Speaker 5: gangs in those times were pretty much relegated to cultural groups, yes, nationality.
Speaker 9: So we're almost like a Fagin type figure, you know,
Speaker 9: background in like textiles, ran the shop from like kind
Speaker 9: of like a you know, ran the business, the illegal business.
Speaker 7: All right, I got was it Sadie the goat Farrell?
Speaker 7: Sadie Ferre said, the goat Farrell.
Speaker 6: I don't know, no, no, but no, but I'm loving it.
Speaker 10: Question.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 7: Guys, all right, we got we got one last guest?
Speaker 7: Who wants to take it? Dave? Youre feeling hot?
Speaker 2: I got kiss?
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't have anything for this one.
Speaker 2: Was it Rose? Was their first name?
Speaker 7: Rose?
Speaker 6: No, but I like that shot from half court.
Speaker 7: We can see this.
Speaker 3: You got it is a pretty good old lady name. Though.
Speaker 6: Half point because this was so tough, and because purely
Speaker 6: fellow ridiculous listeners at home. A half point purely because
Speaker 6: of the absolute top notch caliber of questions here The
Speaker 6: person we were looking for was someone named Marm Mandelbaumb
Speaker 6: Frederica Marm Mandelbaumb. I know I'm doing trivia voice there,
Speaker 6: but so Mandelbaum Mandelbaumb. It's very interesting that history has
Speaker 6: largely forgotten this quite successful criminal she.
Speaker 2: Ran.
Speaker 6: She ran one of New York's biggest fencing operations from
Speaker 6: like from eighteen sixty two to eighteen sixty four. She
Speaker 6: was also she had other gangs that she was fighting with,
Speaker 6: but she was helping coordinate things like the Ocean National
Speaker 6: Bank robbery. She was also she was born in Germany.
Speaker 6: We don't know too much about her early life because, surprise, surprise,
Speaker 6: she was a little bit sketchy. She made it. She
Speaker 6: made it to the US with her family or with
Speaker 6: her husband, Wolf Mandelborb, who he's kind of Bolf as
Speaker 6: sort of a milk toast in this story. But she
Speaker 6: gets there. She gets to the US in eighteen fifty
Speaker 6: and she has a dry goods store, so she has
Speaker 6: a legitimate operation, and as a small business owner, she
Speaker 6: has the opportunity to turn stuff around. Part of the
Speaker 6: reason why Poal Noel is saying she's a fake and
Speaker 6: esque character is because she started a school she institutionalized
Speaker 6: teaching kids how to be na'er do wells at a
Speaker 6: pickpocket pick a pocket, So no murder involved with her.
Speaker 6: She did end up being arrested because she just got
Speaker 6: out of hand. She just blew up in the big
Speaker 6: Apple so much that eventually, you know, the New York
Speaker 6: District attorney was like, hey, we got a higher the
Speaker 6: Pinkiton's the pinks?
Speaker 5: Oh my goodness.
Speaker 6: Yeah. So she gets released on bail after she's arrested
Speaker 6: with your points Aer and her sons, her son Julius,
Speaker 6: and then another guy's working for named Herman. Once she
Speaker 6: gets released on bail, she does exactly what everybody thought
Speaker 6: she would do. She high tails it out of the
Speaker 6: United States. She's skidaddles with one million dollars in eighteen
Speaker 6: eighty four and settles in Hamilton, Ontario. Shout out to
Speaker 6: your reference about throwing away the shot Dave, where she
Speaker 6: remains until she passes away ten years later. So I think,
Speaker 6: as a fan of ridiculous crime, I thought this would
Speaker 6: be like a great episode.
Speaker 5: Yeah, excellent, definitely, definitely.
Speaker 3: Ben would the would the Flex be the pickpocket school?
Speaker 7: What would you?
Speaker 11: Oh?
Speaker 6: Yes, thank you? The Flex is the Pickpocket School.
Speaker 7: I love that she started basically an elementary school to
Speaker 7: teach thieving and street crime. I mean, yeah, she's like
Speaker 7: Mother Marshmallow, but instead she just like, come under my
Speaker 7: dress and I will teach you crime and take care
Speaker 7: of your children. Let's go man man.
Speaker 9: She often referred to as mother, Mandel mom or marmah.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And you guys haven't ever mentioned her on your shows? Right?
Speaker 6: We had a show called on another show we do
Speaker 6: called stuff they don't want you to know. We we explored,
Speaker 6: we explored her life, and we sort of put it
Speaker 6: under the umbrella of conspiracy. God did conspire to start
Speaker 6: like oh yeah, crime elementary you know?
Speaker 5: Wow, wowie, wow, wow, that's amazing.
Speaker 2: You know what, I think this party could use.
Speaker 7: What's that day?
Speaker 2: Some really good ads like oh yeah, I got some
Speaker 2: in the oven.
Speaker 3: Excellent flex those ads.
Speaker 5: All right, guys, we're back twenty questions. So what's our
Speaker 5: score now?
Speaker 2: Is I got it?
Speaker 7: Is two to half?
Speaker 5: Two to half? Okay?
Speaker 6: Oh I thought I had a.
Speaker 7: Point because you rocked us beat us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's that's only one point.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and they got Frank Sinatra, so that's two points.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: No, the Frank Sinatra is one. If they guessed his
Speaker 2: flex that would have been another.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so then we did not get their answer, right,
Speaker 7: so they get one point for that.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh I have it as like you only get points
Speaker 2: when you're guessing.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, they got They get points for traditionally twenty questions.
Speaker 7: If you stump the person, you get a point. So
Speaker 7: for stumping us, they should get a point. I would say,
Speaker 7: so it would be two to half according to.
Speaker 5: My And then we got the pity point five.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that he gave us the pinion.
Speaker 6: It was not a pity point five.
Speaker 7: We're trying to find a way to give it back,
Speaker 7: but we appreciate it.
Speaker 6: I like how. I also like how we're all out
Speaker 6: nice and each other.
Speaker 4: Ben try to give you all a full point and
Speaker 4: y'all said, no, we're not thinking any taking point, and
Speaker 4: then you settle for having on the record right here.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you wanted to profligate with points, sure, absolutely,
Speaker 2: Like what are my main of points?
Speaker 6: Well, we we're all being nice now, but we may
Speaker 6: encounter we may encounter quite a plot twist and turn,
Speaker 6: depending on how Max Noll and I do.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's gonna get ugly. All right, So I've
Speaker 5: got that, I've got this in my head, and I
Speaker 5: am ready for questions.
Speaker 6: Okay, I'm counting questions here. Uh, let's go with this.
Speaker 6: Uh does this individual identify as male?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 3: Is it George Washington? I'm kidding.
Speaker 9: It was just a call back to yes. What Okay?
Speaker 9: Was this person uh a elected official?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 4: Was this person born in the nineteen hundreds?
Speaker 5: Yes? No, sorry I was seeing nineteenth century? No?
Speaker 6: Okay, okay, okay, okay, we know that. Now, okay. Is
Speaker 6: this person known for scientific breakthroughs?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 4: It's this person a criminal?
Speaker 10: Uh yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, okay, okay, I'm going to
Speaker 10: put yes, but with an audible Are.
Speaker 3: You keeping a spreadsheet? Ben?
Speaker 5: I do want to I do want to just have
Speaker 5: one captain, please qualify that all of your questions have
Speaker 5: made one assumption that is dear, but go ahead.
Speaker 6: One assumption that is incorrect.
Speaker 4: This is a person?
Speaker 6: Yeah? I think that would be because looking back through
Speaker 6: the rules.
Speaker 7: Is that is that is that a question?
Speaker 3: Max? Could the assumption be well, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I mean, I'm just I'm just telling you.
Speaker 4: Is I think the assumption is that that can they
Speaker 4: be not a person. They could be historical.
Speaker 6: It could be they specifically put creature into the room.
Speaker 5: And there's another assumption. Think of you came in, you
Speaker 5: came in with some implicit biases.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, my mind is running wild.
Speaker 9: Is is this uh figure a famous animal spy?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 3: Damn it?
Speaker 6: I like, uh, okay, I should have just asked it
Speaker 6: was an Is this figure a human being? Will burn
Speaker 6: that one? Just to get a clear Okay, great, there
Speaker 6: we go.
Speaker 7: So I have you guys had seven questions asked?
Speaker 6: Yes, okay, this will be our eighth question.
Speaker 9: So does that mean okay, a criminal though a non
Speaker 9: human criminal.
Speaker 6: They're like, don't we.
Speaker 4: Have stories that are pasted about like goats and stuff
Speaker 4: being arrested as like we had an animal personhood episode
Speaker 4: which unfortunately I was also on vacation one. Yeah, no
Speaker 4: help on that episode.
Speaker 5: Coincident.
Speaker 4: President just gone on that one. But I remember we
Speaker 4: had that episode about all the animals that committed crimes?
Speaker 6: Was this individual creature? Was this creature of mammal?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, probably?
Speaker 6: Okay, is this that elephant that got electrocuted?
Speaker 9: I was thinking that jumpo, No, no, no.
Speaker 7: You mean like by Edison, like when you went edge.
Speaker 6: Yeah, when he was trying to hype up the Yeah,
Speaker 6: what a terrible guy that What dude was.
Speaker 3: How can an animal be a criminal?
Speaker 7: Lots of ways.
Speaker 3: An accomplice.
Speaker 7: Perhaps that's one.
Speaker 9: Way trained like the count internal convo, this internal discussion.
Speaker 9: H're welcome, Just feed us some good intel while you're
Speaker 9: in here.
Speaker 4: Jesus.
Speaker 7: They walk across the set. Stand there, I'm on the
Speaker 7: Jenkins family.
Speaker 6: Now there's another implicit assumption that we haven't tackled. There's
Speaker 6: a second when we didn't get you guys, uh, which
Speaker 6: is let's see a creatures.
Speaker 3: So we got that aquatic they actually.
Speaker 2: Mamal it was on earth. I'll give you that han.
Speaker 4: Water dwelling.
Speaker 5: Oh is that your question? Yeah, it is not a
Speaker 5: water dwelling, not a water not a water dweller.
Speaker 9: That's question ted land mammal. So what do we got here?
Speaker 9: What what kind of land mammals are capable of doing?
Speaker 4: Cron So we have Lomas, I'll pack.
Speaker 6: Up name them all.
Speaker 4: She sure, Yeah, we can ask if it's that, we
Speaker 4: could ask. And so this is just amongst us. If
Speaker 4: it's a new world or an old world monkey.
Speaker 6: The term new world's kind of problem.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so I can't.
Speaker 4: Pay, we won't ask that.
Speaker 9: I'm picturing the murderous ape from that Edgar Allan post
Speaker 9: or murders in the room wort spoiler alert.
Speaker 3: It was an ape.
Speaker 4: For some reason, I just had I've had a dog
Speaker 4: in my head this entire time.
Speaker 6: But yeah, oh okay, yeah, let's just let's burn a couple.
Speaker 6: Getting closer to the type of animal. Is it a primate?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 6: No, all right, helpful, It's not a Pepperino elephants?
Speaker 7: Did you say Pepperino? Is that a question?
Speaker 3: Popperino a dog?
Speaker 10: Yes?
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, it is?
Speaker 4: Okay, yes, how many questions?
Speaker 6: We're at twelve thirteen questions?
Speaker 7: That thirteenth coming?
Speaker 9: Wasn't there that dog that was shot into space? Yees, like,
Speaker 9: that's way different?
Speaker 6: Is way different?
Speaker 4: Well this is eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and technically that's not across the crime was done.
Speaker 5: It was a victag like it.
Speaker 7: Was that was just trespassing in space.
Speaker 4: So it's a dog that did some sort of crime.
Speaker 4: But we also have an assumption that we were forgetting
Speaker 4: about that.
Speaker 5: I can't remember an additional assumption that.
Speaker 4: We have not address.
Speaker 7: I got it, I got him done.
Speaker 6: On like a fourteen ah ah, that's all right fine,
Speaker 6: even though we we established it was the eighteen nine.
Speaker 3: But there's nothing just screaming to my right now, is it?
Speaker 5: Do you want to hint?
Speaker 2: I think we should get me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you have mentioned my flexer on your show. Wow,
Speaker 5: the words have passed your lips.
Speaker 7: So you guys have said this out loud?
Speaker 4: Is this?
Speaker 6: Uh? Wait? Internal conversation? Personal? Did we already ask about America?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 3: I don't know. I think did we don't know?
Speaker 4: I'm totally down to pull up our comprehensive metal sheet. Right,
Speaker 4: we're not doing that? Okay, No, I won't tell you
Speaker 4: that I'm doing it.
Speaker 9: No, you already game away, Max, don't don't, don't, don't
Speaker 9: be like it's not funny.
Speaker 7: I'm competitive.
Speaker 4: It so much more fun. When we did not established that,
Speaker 4: then I feel like we did.
Speaker 3: We should remember. If we don't remember, not useless.
Speaker 6: We did not. The reason we feel like we established
Speaker 6: Americas because we we had the American quick question on
Speaker 6: George Washington words.
Speaker 3: Yes, picturing a European dog for some reason?
Speaker 6: Is it a vegetable dog?
Speaker 7: What's vegetable dog? Like a dog?
Speaker 5: Brain like dole traumatic brain injury, like.
Speaker 6: So like the it's a it's a terrible practice where
Speaker 6: they had to where they made dogs live turning spits
Speaker 6: to cook meat.
Speaker 7: No, no, no, it's not a vegetable dog.
Speaker 5: No, I'm going to charge you two questions? Oh, I.
Speaker 7: Fourteen questions? You've got six left?
Speaker 2: Do you just walk around with your brain?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 2: What's your fifteenth guess?
Speaker 3: I am hitting over.
Speaker 4: We had that episode, guys, with that two part episode
Speaker 4: we did about hero animals.
Speaker 9: But this is a criminal who knows why.
Speaker 7: Can't a criminal? And he would be the same person
Speaker 7: episodes are hero Robin is a criminal.
Speaker 6: Who is mean what I'm saying, Yeah, same with Cara tops.
Speaker 4: Unfortunately for that episode of all I can remember is
Speaker 4: the Hero cats. So I'm no help here. Oh but I.
Speaker 5: Didn't, I didn't answer that question.
Speaker 7: What I'm saying, Ben, you got anything hand up?
Speaker 6: Was this? Was this?
Speaker 10: Uh?
Speaker 6: Was this unfortunate dog o arrested by political authorities?
Speaker 5: Yes? All political? What do you mean define political? Like
Speaker 5: elected officials or like I.
Speaker 7: Would say they were elected, they were arrested by the authority. Yes,
Speaker 7: in the traditional sense of what we would assume that means.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I don't know.
Speaker 6: Idea because I was thinking, no, Max, I was thinking,
Speaker 6: was it ecclesiastical authorities or something like that.
Speaker 7: No, this is not an excommunicated dog.
Speaker 4: No, was this like a Joan of archetype dog?
Speaker 6: You know, heretic dog? You know what I mean.
Speaker 4: I'm just going to say, I'm pretty certain it's one
Speaker 4: of the animals we talked about in that two part episode.
Speaker 5: Is probably do you want to ask that a question?
Speaker 4: This is internal, internal, completely comfortable.
Speaker 6: We got a chair for you.
Speaker 7: This is sorry, sorry, what am I doing?
Speaker 6: So?
Speaker 7: Dave? Going back?
Speaker 4: Unfortunately I can't remember all the animals we talked about.
Speaker 4: I remember our whole second part was just about that
Speaker 4: cat that lived on the boat.
Speaker 3: Uh, I don't know.
Speaker 5: Give you another head?
Speaker 4: Well no, I'm talking about the whole episode.
Speaker 5: Give you another head.
Speaker 6: Yes, okay, okay, that's not the episode.
Speaker 5: To save you some time.
Speaker 6: That is actually very wonderful.
Speaker 5: Thank you, You're very welcome.
Speaker 3: Okay, I got nothing and also with you more questions, more.
Speaker 4: Questions, questions.
Speaker 6: We have five one right, now, go go.
Speaker 4: What is I the producer of Ridiculous History? When we
Speaker 4: talked about this animal?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 4: Because it would be April twenty twenty one when it
Speaker 4: became twenty one twenty one.
Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, Max, you were the producer.
Speaker 7: Okay, four questions.
Speaker 4: Okay, it gives us down to three hundred episodes.
Speaker 6: Wow all the time? Barks all right.
Speaker 3: I don't know, guys. I don't want to burn any
Speaker 3: more questions. I feel like I've.
Speaker 7: Kind of dogs dogs. You guys know dogs. You like
Speaker 7: dogs that impress you dogs. I like your fear.
Speaker 4: That's a problem. I like every dog.
Speaker 7: Sorry, am I, you're not helping you.
Speaker 4: I like every dog.
Speaker 7: I bet you they moved the table this time?
Speaker 6: Is it?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 6: Because Noel, you already asked about Spike or trade craft?
Speaker 4: I did.
Speaker 6: Yeah, never mind, I'm cursing now.
Speaker 3: I'm pounding my fists on my desk.
Speaker 6: Very quistics the.
Speaker 7: He's going to get another part?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 7: Guys.
Speaker 6: Do you want to do you want to call it?
Speaker 6: I feel like our guesses are good, but.
Speaker 4: Don't guys, what's some hell? Mag I don't feel too bad.
Speaker 5: About being obscure, seeing as how you've said it before.
Speaker 4: No, No, that's fair, that's fair.
Speaker 9: Would this dog be considered after the actions that took place,
Speaker 9: some sort of like political symbol that is our question
Speaker 9: seventeen kind of.
Speaker 5: Not really kind of okay, cultural cultural?
Speaker 4: Did this dog commit crimes against a baby?
Speaker 5: I want that on a shirt and I want to
Speaker 5: know how a hero criminal? But no.
Speaker 7: Baby?
Speaker 4: Okay, I know there was a dog that did something
Speaker 4: wrong to a baby.
Speaker 5: Episode No crimes against a human baby?
Speaker 7: Oh wow?
Speaker 6: All right?
Speaker 7: More?
Speaker 6: Two more? Was this dog the subject of a widespread
Speaker 6: cultural panic?
Speaker 7: No, I got one. Last one, I'll get I'll give
Speaker 7: you one.
Speaker 2: Your question, was this dog in the band widespread panic?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 3: Lies?
Speaker 4: Was this?
Speaker 3: Was there a film made about this dog? No, that's
Speaker 3: a bummer.
Speaker 6: That is what did you do?
Speaker 5: What did you just say that film reaction?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 9: I said that's a bummer. It feels like this animal
Speaker 9: clearly deserves it.
Speaker 5: Well, I'm going to tell you the story.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 6: Oh, here we go.
Speaker 5: Of Bummer and Lazarus.
Speaker 4: Are you serious?
Speaker 5: Serious? So everyone knows the iconic San Francisco skyline. You know,
Speaker 5: you got the Trans America building and in that area
Speaker 5: when we go all the way back to the eighteen sixties,
Speaker 5: there is a man, Emperor Norton. You guys had an
Speaker 5: episode about.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah, and the show.
Speaker 5: You mentioned his dogs, Bummer and Lazarus. Now is a
Speaker 5: passing mention Bummer and Lazarus, and Emperor Norton again declared
Speaker 5: himself Emperor of the US Protector of Mexico. He was
Speaker 5: always seen in the company of these two dogs, Bummer
Speaker 5: and Lazarus. He wasn't their owner, though, because these were
Speaker 5: stray dogs, and they were two of hundreds in the
Speaker 5: city at the time. And so on a cold day
Speaker 5: eighteen sixty one, a terrible dog fight broke out on
Speaker 5: a street in San Francisco. It's vicious big dogs attacking
Speaker 5: a smaller dog. Big dog takes a bite out of
Speaker 5: the smaller one's leg. That small one just yells out,
Speaker 5: yelps out. Another dog comes running in, breaks up the fight,
Speaker 5: bites the bully dog, drags the injured dog into a
Speaker 5: doorway and the two of them huddle there. And so
Speaker 5: the savior dog, that's Bummer. Bummer was called Bummer, who
Speaker 5: was a big black and white Newfoundland mix. Bummer would
Speaker 5: go around to all the saloons in the Barbary Coast
Speaker 5: begging for food, and people would feed them and he'd
Speaker 5: sit there and eat, and then uh just known all
Speaker 5: around town. Well, so Bumber still goes around to the saloons,
Speaker 5: gets food, but takes it to go, takes it out
Speaker 5: to this dog, this injured dog, and they sleep in
Speaker 5: this doorway for a few weeks while the bite heels.
Speaker 5: But everyone's like, this dog's not going to recover, but
Speaker 5: the dog does, and Lazarus was reborn. And then these
Speaker 5: two become an absolutely paired duo. They go everywhere together
Speaker 5: all the time. And this is one hundred and sixty
Speaker 5: years ago doggy life. So what's their flex. Their flex
Speaker 5: is that they had a skill that wound up saving
Speaker 5: their lives. They were so good at ratting that they
Speaker 5: became in demand pest control in like the filthy streets
Speaker 5: of San Francisco's. So in one instance, they get called
Speaker 5: in to control the rats in a hotel. The dogs
Speaker 5: enter the building. Twenty minutes later, eighty five rats are dead.
Speaker 5: And because of this, everyone loves them. But there's trouble,
Speaker 5: there's trouble on the horizon. So stray dogs are totally
Speaker 5: out of control in San Francisco. There's hundreds and hundreds
Speaker 5: of them, and so animal control is like taking them
Speaker 5: in at this exponential rate, and then less than ten
Speaker 5: percent of the ones they take in or ever claimed.
Speaker 5: So the Board of Supervisors they pass an ordinance animal Control.
Speaker 5: You got to go out round up as many as
Speaker 5: possible any dog without a muzzle or a leash on
Speaker 5: and if someone claims them, they have to pay five
Speaker 5: bucks to get them out of pound. If no one
Speaker 5: claims them, the cops shoot him on site.
Speaker 4: Damn geez rough.
Speaker 5: So immediately people in the area, they're worried about Bummer
Speaker 5: and Lazarus. You know, they lived on the streets and
Speaker 5: they liked it that way. They could never be owned,
Speaker 5: and people were right to be worried, because pretty soon,
Speaker 5: poor Lazarus he gets caught. Luckily, someone steps in pays
Speaker 5: the five dollars. But this outraged the people of San Francisco.
Speaker 5: They petitioned the Board of Supervisors to exempt Bummer and
Speaker 5: Lazarus from this death order, and so they have a
Speaker 5: meeting to hear this petition. Bummer and Lazarus go to
Speaker 5: city Hall and they're gathered in the doorway, just like
Speaker 5: they did when Lazarus was healing, waiting to hear their
Speaker 5: fate inside the chambers, and the city fathers they listened.
Speaker 5: They declared Bummer and Lazarus city property companions. To the
Speaker 5: city itself. So they're big flexes where we you know,
Speaker 5: we're not going to be killed. We now are belonged
Speaker 5: to the entire city, a whole city, because we kill
Speaker 5: so many rests. And then like a week later, they
Speaker 5: totally proved their worth because the two of them stopped
Speaker 5: a runaway horse cart on Busy Clay Street. They one
Speaker 5: on either side, they run along, Bummer gets out in front,
Speaker 5: slows the horse, a man jumps on is able to
Speaker 5: pull the reins back, and there are all these other
Speaker 5: stories of their companionship and their antics, and then their
Speaker 5: eventual passing was like city wide morning when each one
Speaker 5: finally went. But it's a solid cane flex. You kill
Speaker 5: some rats, you get exempt from the death penalty, and
Speaker 5: you belong to the city by the bay, and you
Speaker 5: become legends.
Speaker 6: Well beautiful. I also have to say, just in the
Speaker 6: interest of fairness, rats are very intelligent creatures and they
Speaker 6: probably have their own stories.
Speaker 5: But oh, I'm sure, but they're also filthy.
Speaker 6: Yes, that is true. Uh, existence requires us to exist
Speaker 6: and filter. But do we get a half point for
Speaker 6: that half court shot and noll through with Bummer?
Speaker 5: Of course?
Speaker 4: Jeez, totally half I have to jump in here so
Speaker 4: I can get a max with the facts in on
Speaker 4: this episode, there is actually a dry gin titled Bumber
Speaker 4: and Lazarus with the dogs on it, and one of
Speaker 4: the dogs even has a rat in the exactly.
Speaker 5: And apparently they were just terribly ugly, but everyone just
Speaker 5: loved them to death. And so Bummer and Lazarus, those
Speaker 5: are my dudes.
Speaker 6: Amazing Elizabeth, I amazing like. And also it looks like
Speaker 6: if I'm keeping score here, if we're if we're playing log,
Speaker 6: you also get a point for I would suggest that
Speaker 6: Ridiculous Crime gets a point for stumping us. Yes, and
Speaker 6: then and then we get a half point.
Speaker 5: Because no, man, you just won't right out.
Speaker 7: Okay, So do you want to compare notes? Ben, I
Speaker 7: got us at two and a half. You two point five,
Speaker 7: us one point five. So two and a half one
Speaker 7: and a half.
Speaker 6: That's where I've got us, as well as Aeron, which
Speaker 6: I think means we have to continue this in another episode.
Speaker 6: Let's make a week of it, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: I can't wait. I can't wait. You guys, thank you
Speaker 6: so much for having us over here on Ridiculous Crime.
Speaker 5: Thank you for joining us. Thank you and thank you
Speaker 5: for having us on Ridiculous Sisters.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's the secret. Third thing we found a third.
Speaker 5: Place was amazing. That was something.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that is all over my face.
Speaker 5: Yeah that was wild.
Speaker 7: I just brushed back by the wind.
Speaker 5: Wait, so where'd they go?
Speaker 7: They left you while you were talking to the interns.
Speaker 7: They left, they bounced, Yeah, producer Dave and I said goodbye. Oh,
Speaker 7: you know whatever. But they know your hearts in the
Speaker 7: right place.
Speaker 5: That's true.
Speaker 2: How many questions was that in total? Like fourteen plus?
Speaker 5: They hit twenty and then twenty.
Speaker 7: Fourteen and twenty so that was yeah, what is that
Speaker 7: fifty four four? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Fourth questions pretty close to the limit. And we had
Speaker 2: one there, one guest, one sort of guest but really not,
Speaker 2: and and one we had no freaking clue on.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and at half point, I still want to give
Speaker 7: back Oh yeah, sure, episode, We will give that back
Speaker 7: to them.
Speaker 2: We might even mail it when they leave it on
Speaker 2: their door.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so ridiculous takeaways anything.
Speaker 5: You know, what I tried really hard. My ridiculous takeaway
Speaker 5: thank you for asking, is that I tried really hard
Speaker 5: not to be like hyper competitive, and I think you
Speaker 5: failed because you started answering my questions.
Speaker 7: I just get bored in the middle when I start
Speaker 7: helping whoever I got the ball, I'm score.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the team where you know what you guys,
Speaker 5: we're a team. We work together. So my ridiculous takeaway
Speaker 5: is I'm proud of myself for there was no bloodshed,
Speaker 5: you know, no insults hurled. I didn't cheat, Max me,
Speaker 5: I did you.
Speaker 7: Leave my man maximum out of this?
Speaker 5: Is Zaron? What's your ridiculous takeaway.
Speaker 7: My ridiculous camp? Did you see that participation anyway? Mine
Speaker 7: is uh? I liked your your stumping them on, like
Speaker 7: basically flipping the idea of like what could be the
Speaker 7: historical figure. I thought that was great. I would have
Speaker 7: definitely not got that correct, but it also would have
Speaker 7: driven me insane and I would have protested that's not
Speaker 7: a person. Why person? So I think also like to
Speaker 7: give them credit for not being jerk like me. It
Speaker 7: was like, Elizabeth, why would you get it eight legs?
Speaker 7: You came up with two creatures eight legs. I'm over
Speaker 7: here trying to picture a person me.
Speaker 5: You know I would do something like that?
Speaker 7: Was great on your team?
Speaker 5: Producer, Dave, what's your ridiculous takeaway.
Speaker 2: My ridiculous takeaway is I need to come up with
Speaker 2: a tougher one to really stump them next time, because
Speaker 2: I thought, you know, I went in with my kid
Speaker 2: gloves on and uh yeah, and they they did pretty good.
Speaker 2: They shredded it in like fourteen questions. But next time,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm gonna I'm gonna come up with something
Speaker 2: little tougher.
Speaker 5: I think if you hadn't have given them the birth, yeah,
Speaker 5: the birth. And then I also have to say that
Speaker 5: yours was the coolest quote unquote flex as they say,
Speaker 5: of all of them, like, you don't get cooler than that.
Speaker 5: You got Sinatra, You've got Dirty Harry.
Speaker 7: Got Henry Silva bullet bullet.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, come on, yeah, it's all there. Zodiac
Speaker 5: come on Peak San Francisco. So you know, my ridiculous take.
Speaker 2: It's like and took another number and.
Speaker 5: The ultimate winner is producer Dave.
Speaker 7: I'm with that. I like that call.
Speaker 2: Well on that note. That is all we have for today,
Speaker 2: and I don't want anything else in there, so I'm
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