1 00:00:05,440 --> 00:00:08,320 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, and welcome to stuff 2 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:20,080 Speaker 1: I've never told you a production of I Heart Radio. Today, 3 00:00:20,120 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 1: we're going to talk about something that has been coming 4 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:26,040 Speaker 1: up a lot during these are quarantine times, which is 5 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: extra version versus intro version, extroverts versus introverts. And I'm 6 00:00:32,320 --> 00:00:36,280 Speaker 1: sure we've all seen the memes and jokes about being 7 00:00:36,320 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 1: told to stay in for quarantine is an introverts dream 8 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:45,479 Speaker 1: apart from the unending anxiety of a pandemic um and 9 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:48,320 Speaker 1: about how introverts have been preparing for this their whole 10 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 1: lives ha ha. Extroverts look at you panicking about having 11 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: to stay in, and these are definitely over simplifications. Most 12 00:00:57,840 --> 00:01:01,760 Speaker 1: of us need a healthy dose of own time and socializing. 13 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,880 Speaker 1: But we thought we would unpack some of this and 14 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:11,040 Speaker 1: especially how it pertains to women. So how would you 15 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:15,319 Speaker 1: classify yourself, Samantha? Honestly, I originally I would have said 16 00:01:15,360 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: an introvert completely, because I am absolutely that person who 17 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,040 Speaker 1: gets zapped very quickly in a crowd of people, and 18 00:01:22,080 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: even before coming in, I automatically panic if there's more 19 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 1: than five. So but after this research, I think I 20 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:34,400 Speaker 1: feel like it changed with my age as well as 21 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: with what's happening right now, not that my personality has changed, 22 00:01:39,160 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 1: but even like my understanding of my personality is kind 23 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: of changed. What about you? Interesting? Yeah, I have to 24 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: say one, I feel very judged doing this research, thank you. 25 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: I am definitely an extrovert. Every I've taken the personality 26 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: tests and everyone I get like, oh yeah, by a lot, 27 00:02:02,000 --> 00:02:07,160 Speaker 1: which honestly, I've kind of surprises even me because I 28 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: do a lot of things that are typical introvert traits, 29 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: like when it comes to decision making. And we'll get 30 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: more into this, um later. I am so much an 31 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,160 Speaker 1: introvert and you know, you know, I love to read 32 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:23,119 Speaker 1: and like research and stay in and I'm actually fine 33 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: being alone. I live alone. Um, it's just that I 34 00:02:26,040 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: would go out all the time. But right there are 35 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: certainly qualities that I thought like shyness, and shyness is 36 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: very often misunderstood to be synonymous with introvert and I'm 37 00:02:39,480 --> 00:02:42,519 Speaker 1: actually really shy. But that it turns out doing this 38 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,640 Speaker 1: research really doesn't have anything to do with being an 39 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 1: introvert or an extrovert. Right, I feel like I am 40 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: definitely an I n f P. That has always been 41 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: my thing. And so being an introvert through and through 42 00:02:58,040 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: I have never really questioned all of that. But you know, 43 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:04,399 Speaker 1: as you talked about being judged right now with the research, 44 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: that was definitely like I feel little more empowered with 45 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:12,920 Speaker 1: my communication stales right now. Yeah. It's really funny because, um, 46 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: I remember so clearly. One day I was driving. I 47 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: was car pooling with a bunch of our coworkers for 48 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: we UM do this big volunteer day every year, and 49 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 1: I was car pooling and it was early in the morning. 50 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: I was just like, you know, bubbly talking because it 51 00:03:29,560 --> 00:03:32,560 Speaker 1: was silent, and I was trying to, you know, have 52 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:36,800 Speaker 1: some kind of conversation and my friend there's like a 53 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 1: pause and he said, so, uh, you're a morning person, right. 54 00:03:42,000 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, so maybe nobody actually wants to talk 55 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: and I'm just annoying everyone. And I had a moment 56 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: doing this of like realizing how many times I thought 57 00:03:53,040 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: I was I don't want to say helping out, but 58 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 1: I was like, silence is something that I always try 59 00:03:58,960 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 1: to fill and perhaps somebody just wanted Well, I mean, 60 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 1: to be fair, I think it's not just the morning 61 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: person is being an extrovert. I'm a grumpy. I'm a 62 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 1: grumpy as morning person, and it doesn't necessarily have to 63 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 1: do with my introvertedness. Is absolutely to do the fact 64 00:04:18,520 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: that I'm always tired, as well as a fact in 65 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,719 Speaker 1: the morning I'm like, why, why do things happen? What 66 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:27,240 Speaker 1: is happening? What is to day? So, you know, I 67 00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: think that's just a whole different level anyway, But yeah, 68 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: it definitely has those connotations of who's to talking to, 69 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,280 Speaker 1: who isn't talkative enough? And what does that mean? So 70 00:04:34,360 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 1: actually let's talk about the what shall we Yeah, So basically, 71 00:04:38,120 --> 00:04:41,200 Speaker 1: an introvert is someone who gets to energy from being alone, 72 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,680 Speaker 1: and an extrovert gets their energy from other people and 73 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: external stimulations based on the way their brain is wired. 74 00:04:47,160 --> 00:04:50,040 Speaker 1: And that's pretty much. That's pretty much it. Are introverts 75 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: more introspective? Not necessarily? Are they shy? Not necessarily rights? 76 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: And some researchers put these ideas more on a spectrum, 77 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 1: so you're not one or the other. There are those 78 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: are outliers, but somewhere in between. Other research suggests that 79 00:05:05,040 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 1: extroverts are more driven by reward value, which influences social behavior. 80 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: So I think it's a dopamine release and a lot 81 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:16,840 Speaker 1: of these reward values we can get them in social situations, 82 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: so that it kind of pushes for more social interaction. Meanwhile, 83 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 1: one proposed model on introverts breaks introversion into four types 84 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:32,200 Speaker 1: social thinking, restraint, and anxious and most people, according to 85 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,240 Speaker 1: this model, are a mixture of those things if they're 86 00:05:35,279 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: an introvert. Right, So, our modern understanding of these concepts 87 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: go back to the nineteen twenties and call Young, which 88 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,400 Speaker 1: I'm sure most of you heard of. Young also described 89 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,839 Speaker 1: a third group, which he believed to be the largest, 90 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: and that we're sort of a mixture. Nowadays, we call 91 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: that group ambia ours, and they have qualities of both 92 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: introvers and extroverts, and those some think ambivis are just 93 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:00,160 Speaker 1: introverts who learn how to behave like extroverts, which we'll 94 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about later on. Um scientists believe 95 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: these differences have to do with how our brains get 96 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:10,680 Speaker 1: arouse that introverse process information more quickly and need less stimuli. 97 00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 1: A nineteen sixty four study with lemon Jews found that 98 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: introverse salivated more with just a few drops of the 99 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 1: Jews compared to the extroverts. The scientists concluded that This 100 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: meant introverts needed less stimuli for their brains to get aroused, 101 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 1: and extroverts needed more stimuli to reach that same level. 102 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 1: Since we can only process so much at once, introverse 103 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 1: turned inward to avoid filling overwhelmed. There have been so 104 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: many studies and research into this. I love that Lemon study. 105 00:06:39,760 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: I've never heard of that, Right, that's a good one, 106 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: I think. Yeah, so many books have been written, these 107 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:48,720 Speaker 1: ideas have been incorporated into Yes, the Myers Briggs and 108 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 1: the Big Five personality test. Psychologists have argued about how 109 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: they fit into fixed mindsets, which is kind of this 110 00:06:57,279 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: you are who you are and that's it, and growth 111 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,080 Speaker 1: mind sets, and that's the belief that you can cultivate 112 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: new behaviors in yourself with time and effort. So fixed 113 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 1: mindset is sometimes also called self as a story mindset, 114 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: and these are associated with lower self esteem and self awareness. 115 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: So if you're coming from a fixed mindset and you 116 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 1: tell yourself I'm an introvert, then you might become even 117 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: more introverted than you actually are. This is actually one 118 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 1: of the number one reasons I love traveling alone because 119 00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:28,679 Speaker 1: I feel like you can break out of those kinds 120 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:31,600 Speaker 1: of stories that people have made about you and that 121 00:07:31,680 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 1: you have cultivated for yourself. Psychologists have also argued that 122 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: maybe personalities are situational, meaning we change and adapt much 123 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,280 Speaker 1: more than we think if they exist at all. And 124 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: I read so many articles about it, and it was fascinating. 125 00:07:46,480 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: I've never even thought about it in the way people 126 00:07:49,720 --> 00:07:53,920 Speaker 1: were discussing it. It was so cool. So depending on 127 00:07:53,960 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: the source, it's either an even split when it comes 128 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: to percentages of the population or about twenty five sent introverts, 129 00:08:01,040 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 1: or the population is about half to two thirds inferts, 130 00:08:03,800 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: so the numbers very a lot. Yes. Um twenty eighteen 131 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: survey is conducted by eBay found that fifty pc of 132 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: introverts felt anxiety after getting an invite to something, compared 133 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:20,800 Speaker 1: to eighteen percent of extraverts, So seventy four percent of 134 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:25,600 Speaker 1: extroverts felt excited by the invitation compared to for of 135 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 1: the introverts, and introverts work twice as likely to turn 136 00:08:29,320 --> 00:08:31,760 Speaker 1: down an invite an introverts work twice as likely to 137 00:08:31,760 --> 00:08:34,440 Speaker 1: hang out with someone they know. But there were a 138 00:08:34,480 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: few things we can agree on. Two thirds of all 139 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: respondents admitted they won't go to a party without an 140 00:08:40,760 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 1: exit plant. I think that's a great idea personally, and 141 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: both groups were also likely to avoid bridle showers in 142 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:52,480 Speaker 1: any events with babies or children. And yes, yes, I 143 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 1: am definitely one of those people. And I will say 144 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: it's according to the event and how many people I know, 145 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: But I am absolutely that person that wats to see 146 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: who is going to that party or event first, so 147 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: I will go click through every single person and who 148 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:10,320 Speaker 1: they are and who's coming with them. So for me, 149 00:09:10,559 --> 00:09:13,559 Speaker 1: I will wait till the last possible minute to give 150 00:09:13,600 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 1: you a response, which probably infuriates many of people, but 151 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: I just have to prepare. So I'm assuming any are 152 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:25,640 Speaker 1: you an automatic yes person? Pretty much like I guess 153 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: the biggest thing actually is how far do I have 154 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:33,200 Speaker 1: to drive? That's fair, but yeah, like if you invite 155 00:09:33,240 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: me to something, I will probably come and I even 156 00:09:37,559 --> 00:09:41,079 Speaker 1: have It's sort of a fomo thing where I used 157 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: to feel like, well, what's going to happen if I 158 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 1: stay in? But what could happen if I go out? 159 00:09:45,800 --> 00:09:50,480 Speaker 1: But I've had to antie proof some events because I'm like, 160 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: I don't know this person well enough to be as 161 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,320 Speaker 1: you know, Samantha, I'm frequently the last person to leave, 162 00:09:58,080 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: so I have to like that an alarm on my 163 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 1: phone like okay, you should go now, and you and 164 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:05,679 Speaker 1: I have close enough, I'm like, okay, I'm going to 165 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 1: go to sleep now. Yeah, you'll just kick me out, 166 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 1: which is great. Usually I'm like, you could stay, you 167 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: can stay as long as you want, but I'm gonna 168 00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,079 Speaker 1: go to sleep right just what I need because otherwise 169 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,480 Speaker 1: I will stay. Um So yeah, I do, like I 170 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: do take a kind of survey of what kind of 171 00:10:20,000 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: party I think it's gonna be, like how many people 172 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 1: do I know? But I'll probably be there if you 173 00:10:24,440 --> 00:10:30,199 Speaker 1: invited me. Yeah. Another survey found that extroverts have more 174 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:35,199 Speaker 1: sex than introverts, but it was self reported so should 175 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: be taken with a grain of salt. Some research also 176 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: suggests that extroverts are happier, and there are a lot 177 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: of theories as to why that might be, from the 178 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: world being set up for and more accepting of extroverts, 179 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: the whole cultural personality thing. We're gonna get into this more, 180 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:53,760 Speaker 1: but yeah, in a lot of ways, um our culture 181 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:57,320 Speaker 1: and like even work is set up for extroverts, and 182 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: if you're trying to fit into that, that can lead 183 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 1: to a lot of like feelings of failure. Um. And 184 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 1: there's also science that found simply acting happier, like smiling, 185 00:11:07,600 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: thinks it's happier doing those kinds of things, and if 186 00:11:10,160 --> 00:11:12,720 Speaker 1: you're an extrovert, you're probably doing that more often. So 187 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:15,679 Speaker 1: maybe it's that. Um. I feel like happiness is a 188 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,360 Speaker 1: hard thing to quantify, but right, And I think the 189 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 1: phrase fake it till you make it is definitely a 190 00:11:22,360 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: part of that as well. So there's been a lot 191 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: of the studies into sex and age differences and extra 192 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:31,080 Speaker 1: version and introversion, which is very fascinating in itself, and 193 00:11:31,120 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: many of them show that introversion is more common among 194 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: women and that levels of introversion go up with age, 195 00:11:37,240 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: which I could say I have more confidence in being 196 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: at home and staying at home and not just being introverted. 197 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: So it's more I'm able to say no now, and 198 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 1: I'm able to be like nah, I'm tired and not 199 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:52,000 Speaker 1: feel ashamed of I'm tired of people. So I feel like, yes, 200 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 1: I could be the age thing, but it could be 201 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,360 Speaker 1: just the more is set into my personality and more 202 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: confident in saying no. Um. But again, this is the 203 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: whole back to age of verse trying to keep up 204 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 1: with extroverts as well, I think at a younger age 205 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:07,720 Speaker 1: and or just in general, you want to try to 206 00:12:07,920 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: again act as if you're personable, and you have this 207 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: dread of not being friendly enough, outgoing enough. So part 208 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:19,760 Speaker 1: of that is pretending to want to be at these 209 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: places so when you get older, you just don't care anymore. 210 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 1: That's where I feel like I'm madam, Like, yeah, I'm 211 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:29,440 Speaker 1: aging nicely to be able to stay hell Na. So 212 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:32,880 Speaker 1: Friday's yeah, and Friday's to me is no longer Let's 213 00:12:32,920 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: hanging party. It's the soft pants and bench watching alone party, 214 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,320 Speaker 1: and I look forward to it. Well, of course, now 215 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 1: that we're in this quarantine, life's a little different, but 216 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: before it was absolutely like, yeah, this is this is 217 00:12:46,240 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: what I want, this is what I look forward to. 218 00:12:48,880 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 1: It is funny. Um, I'm glad you brought this up 219 00:12:51,559 --> 00:12:54,679 Speaker 1: because I when I was trying to think of my 220 00:12:54,720 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: own motivations for things, it's really hard to separate out 221 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: like what is your in chemistry and then what is 222 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 1: something that's just like like for me. I know I've 223 00:13:04,040 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: talked about it before, but when I get anxious, I 224 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: plan and it's a way of like not thinking about 225 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: whatever it is I'm anxious about. And so people used 226 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 1: to ask me, like, were you drunk when you invited 227 00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,000 Speaker 1: me to that thing? I'm like, Nope, I was probably 228 00:13:15,000 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: panicking and I was just trying not to, like I 229 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:20,320 Speaker 1: had to keep my schedule so busy. And it's hard 230 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: to say if that's extra version or like some weird 231 00:13:24,040 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: PTSD thing. Um, there's just so many factors, right, and 232 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: it's hard to separate it out, and and finding out 233 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: like that women are more introverted, Like there's a higher 234 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:40,600 Speaker 1: percentage of women. I feel like introversion is more accepted 235 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: among men when you think about like the strong and 236 00:13:43,040 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 1: silent type or the stoic type, or the sitcom husband 237 00:13:47,160 --> 00:13:49,839 Speaker 1: who reads the paper while his wife just talks away 238 00:13:49,840 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: and he just wants to be left alone, whereas introverted 239 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:55,840 Speaker 1: women are often labeled as depressed or spinster. Although I 240 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:59,199 Speaker 1: will say I was thinking like Les Lemon from thirty 241 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: Rock did a lot, uh for the whole to staying 242 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 1: and eating your night cheese or whatever it is, and 243 00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,760 Speaker 1: and that got me to thinking, are women condition to 244 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: perform more traits associated with extra version? And when I 245 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:17,199 Speaker 1: think about myself. There are definitely some behaviors that I 246 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 1: can't say for sure the force, the motivating force behind them. 247 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,720 Speaker 1: And I think as a woman, I do feel a 248 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: lot of pressure to like make people happy and to 249 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: if you invite me to do a thing, I'm going 250 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:31,360 Speaker 1: to show up and I'm going to make sure it's 251 00:14:31,360 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: a fun time. And I do think some of that 252 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 1: is societal conditioning. So it's hard to say for sure, 253 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: right human beings are complicated. Well, I mean, I think 254 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: that also plays into the societal idea of women being 255 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:49,520 Speaker 1: hosts and hostesses, and so that I definitely remember in college, 256 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 1: people loved when I would take a charge of a 257 00:14:52,960 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: party in trying to plant things and organize things and 258 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: make sure everybody's happy, all of these which, by the way, 259 00:14:58,720 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: makes me panic, makes me have an anxiety attack. I 260 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: actually hate it. I hate large gatherings that I'm in 261 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: charge of because the entire time I'm so unhappy and 262 00:15:06,600 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 1: trying to figure out if this person is unhappy, how 263 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: do I make this better? Oh my god, this person 264 00:15:10,440 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: is not talking, they're having you know, all of these levels. 265 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 1: But I think that's part of the being the perfect 266 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: quote unquote woman of the house, whether it's you're a 267 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 1: mother and you're hosting a party, or your someone's wife 268 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:25,000 Speaker 1: and you're hosting in a benefit for them. You know, 269 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: you see it. And we've talked about before in the 270 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:31,240 Speaker 1: political roles when wives of candidates are shown as being 271 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: the perfect, pristine people who are friendly, outgoing, all of 272 00:15:35,280 --> 00:15:37,360 Speaker 1: these thing in bubbly and what does that look like? 273 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:42,600 Speaker 1: It's automatically attuned with extra version, right, And then on 274 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: the flip side of that, and I know we're going 275 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:46,800 Speaker 1: to discuss this more in a bit, but a lot 276 00:15:46,840 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: of times women are expected to be quiet, right, and 277 00:15:50,400 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: that it's associated with introversion. So it makes me wonder 278 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: these numbers, how how accurate they are and how how 279 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: can we separate that out all these societal forces. But 280 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 1: all right, let's get into extroversion and extroverts. But first 281 00:16:10,880 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 1: we're going to pause for a quick break for word 282 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:29,240 Speaker 1: from our sponsor, and we're back, Thank you, sponsor. So, 283 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 1: according to Positive Psychology dot com, extroverts are recharged by 284 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: socializing and make decisions quickly, speak more or outgoing or 285 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 1: easily distracted, action oriented, gregarious, and expressive, great communicators, and 286 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 1: enjoy being at the center of attention. Now, as we said, 287 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: not all extroverts are the same, and not all will 288 00:16:51,320 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 1: exhibit all of these things. Essentially, it just means what 289 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: we said at the top of your your energy is 290 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: coming from external stimuli, right, So, terms associated with experts 291 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:06,439 Speaker 1: chatty cathy, or a social butterfly, flirty birdie, which, by 292 00:17:06,440 --> 00:17:08,719 Speaker 1: the way, this is a new one to me. Oh 293 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: I used to get called flirty birdie all the time. 294 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: Why that just oh my, okay, we'll go back, We'll 295 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:19,520 Speaker 1: go because it's just so nonsensical of a term. Okay, 296 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:23,400 Speaker 1: keep it on people, person that I have heard charming, witty, 297 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 1: and endearing. And while these are generally viewed as good things, 298 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:31,080 Speaker 1: that are frequently used to demean women or minimize them, surprise, surprise, 299 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: and things along the lines of airhead, ditzy, the joke 300 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 1: that you can't get women to stop talking, all of 301 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: those ridiculous narratives, but it also can go hand in 302 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:44,880 Speaker 1: hand with not so great things like she's easy. Of course, 303 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: I feel like if you were having to put this 304 00:17:48,000 --> 00:17:50,080 Speaker 1: in the dichotomy of the madonna and the horror, the 305 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 1: extras the horror for sure, and like the introvert is 306 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: cold ice queen, right, and then the whole life because 307 00:17:58,560 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 1: I just read about frozen and also being an introvert. Yes, 308 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:06,400 Speaker 1: there were going that she is the ice Queen exact, 309 00:18:06,600 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: literally the ice quaint. But maybe we got it all wrong. 310 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 1: Oh no, In many ways, that's what you're saying. Earlier. 311 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 1: Society is set up to favor extroverts, especially in industries 312 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:24,280 Speaker 1: that depend on relationships. Being outgoing and making and deepening connections. 313 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: Networking can really help you land a deal or climb 314 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:32,040 Speaker 1: a corporate ladder. Extroverts are likelier to hold management and 315 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: senior positions. One study found the number of introverts and 316 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,080 Speaker 1: top positions was as low as two percent, and are 317 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: likelier to promote other extroverts. And part of that is 318 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: what is that what's that like buzzwordy term FaceTime, Like 319 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,679 Speaker 1: you gotta put FaceTime in at the office, and like 320 00:18:47,760 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 1: you've got to be at the social happy hours, And 321 00:18:49,800 --> 00:18:51,959 Speaker 1: that's where a lot of these opportunities kind of come up, 322 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: and the extroverts are more likely to be doing those things. 323 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: When it comes to the public sere extroverted people do 324 00:18:59,359 --> 00:19:01,880 Speaker 1: tend to die maate the scene because they're out there 325 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 1: all the time. However, this is not always the case. 326 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: A lot of famous introverts have I guess, kind of 327 00:19:07,840 --> 00:19:12,679 Speaker 1: gamed the system, like figured out how to succeed in 328 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:18,359 Speaker 1: this like extrovert world whatever. Right, So, even primary education 329 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 1: is often structured in a way that favors extroversion over introversion. 330 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,760 Speaker 1: In another way, this idea of an introvert extrovert in 331 00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:27,520 Speaker 1: the workplace intersect with women is that we're always being 332 00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:30,400 Speaker 1: told to assert ourselves, speak up of meetings and make 333 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: ourselves heard largely extroverted qualities. And you can actually even 334 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:39,679 Speaker 1: see that and open office plans that kind of geared 335 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 1: toward that whole interaction, you know, teamwar being loud, being 336 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,600 Speaker 1: very interactive, which and when you start researching and we'll 337 00:19:47,600 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: talk a little more about it during the inner version 338 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: portion is anti productive for introverts because they need that 339 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,240 Speaker 1: solitude to have a creative mind space and being able 340 00:19:57,280 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 1: to work out their own creativity and or says, so 341 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,960 Speaker 1: it's very much so that whole level of what is 342 00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 1: this geared toward Back in the before times, our office 343 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 1: is at open Space office, and you weren't there yet, Samantha, 344 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:14,720 Speaker 1: but when we moved in like two or three months later, 345 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,359 Speaker 1: we had a whole office meeting and it turned into 346 00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 1: an hour and a half of like half the office 347 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: just saying how much they open office space, and I 348 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 1: will I would say as surprising as that, maybe our 349 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 1: office is made up of a lot of introverts. I 350 00:20:32,680 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I would venture to guess that is true. 351 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: But yeah, I came into the office and like what 352 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: is this? Because yeah, I hated it. I hate because 353 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't like being watched and every time 354 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:52,439 Speaker 1: maybe it's just my own like inability to focus, but 355 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: like what what, Who's what? Who's here? What are they doing? What? 356 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 1: And then being afraid and I'm again, I'm not extroverted 357 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: to an extent, but I do have a voice, and 358 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,840 Speaker 1: I do like to talk to myself. I do have 359 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 1: a talk, you know, And so sometimes when I talk 360 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,560 Speaker 1: to myself, I forget I'm in an open space with 361 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: a lot of other people who have figured out not 362 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:18,600 Speaker 1: to talk to themselves. I've definitely overheard some curse words 363 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:23,560 Speaker 1: and some some laughs. So maybe you're not as out 364 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: of place as you think you are. So that maybe 365 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: maybe other research suggests the existence of what is called 366 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:33,879 Speaker 1: an ambivert advantage because Amtiverts are good at listening and 367 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 1: asserting themselves. Some studies have found that they are more 368 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: productive than both introverts and extroverts. There's also something called 369 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:47,040 Speaker 1: the friendship paradox and the extroversion bias. Essentially are outgoing 370 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,479 Speaker 1: extroverted friends are more likely to be represented in our 371 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:53,960 Speaker 1: friendship circles because they have more friends, leading to the 372 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: misconception there are more extroverts than there actually are. UM, 373 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:04,240 Speaker 1: and extroverts aren't great at understanding introverts, or they haven't 374 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:06,439 Speaker 1: been for a long time. I do think this is 375 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:11,840 Speaker 1: improving some um they might see introverts stuck up or judgmental, 376 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:13,879 Speaker 1: like oh, you're too good for my small talk or 377 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: whatever it is. For some they just can't compute the 378 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 1: idea that someone would want would need to be alone 379 00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:23,960 Speaker 1: and there not be something wrong. I kind of just 380 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: need to check in. Oh they're they're by themselves. I 381 00:22:26,560 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: should check in on And like, this was a a 382 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 1: moment for me again where I was thinking back to 383 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:34,000 Speaker 1: that interaction I with my friend in the in the 384 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: morning and whatever the case was, extra version or he's 385 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 1: just not a morning person, but it like never occurred 386 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,439 Speaker 1: to me. I thought I was doing a service. I 387 00:22:44,520 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 1: was trying to help and not not wanted at all. 388 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:53,760 Speaker 1: I'm not wanted at all. Um. The word antisocial gets 389 00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:57,560 Speaker 1: thrown around a lot when you're talking about introverts, and 390 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,959 Speaker 1: that's the product of a lot of our media narrative 391 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:05,160 Speaker 1: around what introversion is. Even the Dictionary recognizes our cultural 392 00:23:05,240 --> 00:23:08,480 Speaker 1: understanding of introvert in one of its definitions as shy 393 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:12,679 Speaker 1: and withdrawn, which isn't accurate. It can be, but that's 394 00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,520 Speaker 1: not what it means. Right, So let's talk about introverts. 395 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 1: Let's clear some of this up, all right, But first 396 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 1: let's take one more quick break for word from our 397 00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:38,800 Speaker 1: sponsor and we're back. Thank you, sponsor. So, Samantha, you 398 00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: tell us about introvers I got you, so for my 399 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: people's According to Positive Psychology, they describe introverts with these 400 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:52,280 Speaker 1: traits recharge by spending time alone, reflect before making decisions, listen, more, 401 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,400 Speaker 1: enjoy one on one conversation, introspective, self aware I think 402 00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: before acting, learn through observation, and more sociable with people. 403 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,240 Speaker 1: Well they know again, introverts don't always have all of 404 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 1: these traits. They're just commonly associated with introverts. And according 405 00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:10,560 Speaker 1: to author Susan Kine introversion is quote simply a preference 406 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: to socialize in these quieter ways we mentioned earlier. How Surprisingly, 407 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: there are statistically more women who are classified as introverts 408 00:24:19,480 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: than there are men, But when it comes to the stereotypes, 409 00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: it seems men are more accepted as introverts than women. 410 00:24:24,560 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: As blogger MICHAELA. Chung puts it, Western society tends to 411 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 1: be more accepting of stoic men than their female counterparts. 412 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,400 Speaker 1: It's not uncommon to hear women being referenced to as 413 00:24:33,440 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 1: snobs or awkward, or even stand offish if they aren't 414 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: interactive enough, But for those who may be considered talkative, 415 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 1: they are sometimes a reference to, as yeah, Chattie Cathy's. 416 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: When we were researching the subject of introvert versus extrovert, 417 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: there does seem to be a lot of assumptions of 418 00:24:48,080 --> 00:24:52,920 Speaker 1: the personality trait being negative for introverts, opinions stating that 419 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:56,240 Speaker 1: introverts are strange or selfish, or maybe even hiding something 420 00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: I knew it, Samantha. One statement even goes as far 421 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: as say, every once in a while, it's something good, 422 00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 1: but of the time the introvert is a shady character. 423 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: Don't mind me, I'm not being shady. As in fact, 424 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: with those many negative stereotypes of introverts and specifically female introverts, 425 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,120 Speaker 1: there's this continued conversation of what leadership looks like for 426 00:25:18,160 --> 00:25:21,640 Speaker 1: those who have been identified as an introvert. The many 427 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: articles we looked at seemed to be quote how to 428 00:25:24,560 --> 00:25:28,040 Speaker 1: guys to provide introverts the skills needed to move forward. 429 00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 1: As one article states from the u S News, is 430 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:33,720 Speaker 1: a double whammy effect, which is referencing the already known 431 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,199 Speaker 1: statistic that women are less likely to be promoted or 432 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 1: considered for a promotion into a leadership position and add 433 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,320 Speaker 1: to that the challenges that often can be associated with introverts, 434 00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 1: such as quietness or inability to schmooz slash network in 435 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:49,240 Speaker 1: order to be seen. And in one study conducted by 436 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 1: ones in Deals Church, only fifteen percent of the supervisory 437 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: level was made up of introverts while only two percent 438 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 1: or CEOs. So that's kind of a very odd, weird 439 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: low number. And if we want to talk about levels, 440 00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,760 Speaker 1: let's also think on the many women of color, LGBTQ, 441 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:07,240 Speaker 1: non binatary women introverts trying to move forward in their careers. 442 00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:10,679 Speaker 1: But we'll come back to that in a bit. And most, 443 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 1: if not all, of the research that we came across, 444 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: the constant mention of imposter syndrome was a theme of 445 00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: trying to navigate what seems to be a world of 446 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: extroverts who are framed as outgoing and assertive. Unless you're 447 00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: a woman, than you run into also the problem of 448 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: being labeled as overbearing or loud no at alls. Many 449 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 1: of those who identify as introverts often speak of trying 450 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,600 Speaker 1: to change their personalities and pushing themselves to be seen 451 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,479 Speaker 1: as more friendly and outgoing, or just not moving forward 452 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:41,919 Speaker 1: and backing away from opportunities due to inability or anxiety 453 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: of trying to be acknowledged or given recognition. And so 454 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 1: with that, here are a couple of health advice for 455 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 1: introverts trying to climb the ladder supposedly, so let's see 456 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:55,000 Speaker 1: if they work. So one is focus on your work 457 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,720 Speaker 1: at hand or passion instead of looking at the downfall 458 00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:01,440 Speaker 1: of your personality type. Introvirs are so often mistaken as 459 00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 1: antisocial when in actuality is the level of interaction and 460 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 1: social networking that can drain an individual, and it's not 461 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 1: necessarily being around another human. For me, I think I 462 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:13,639 Speaker 1: need connections someone who I can be completely honest with 463 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,000 Speaker 1: and open with on a personal level. I am very 464 00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: quick to get to the depth of a conversation, to 465 00:27:19,400 --> 00:27:23,760 Speaker 1: the point that I've been called intimidating. Move with it. 466 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: But it's something that I I can't if it's a 467 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,800 Speaker 1: vapid conversation for too long is exhausting to me. And 468 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:32,880 Speaker 1: so when you think about all of that and how 469 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:35,399 Speaker 1: that can help. When you're able to find a passion 470 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,760 Speaker 1: or that passion in general and put it into practice, 471 00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,399 Speaker 1: the impact can be significant in a career slash work field. 472 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:49,359 Speaker 1: Right embracing your introversion. Um, yeah, it's neither is better 473 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: than the other. Right, neither is better than the others. 474 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 1: So another tip, be strategic again when we're talking about 475 00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: introverts and social settings. The idea of big groups of 476 00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: strangers is daunting, but small personal connections can be just 477 00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:05,680 Speaker 1: as if not more, useful in strategic planning for the 478 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,080 Speaker 1: growth of a company or an idea. And who doesn't 479 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:13,560 Speaker 1: love a good email, Well, it depends I actually do 480 00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:18,360 Speaker 1: love email. Um. This is where introverts can excel um 481 00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,679 Speaker 1: on all those meetings you know that could have just 482 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:24,880 Speaker 1: been an email. As we see today the introverts there 483 00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: for you, right, I don't want to talk to your face, 484 00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,200 Speaker 1: I'll just send you an email even better. I am 485 00:28:30,320 --> 00:28:32,879 Speaker 1: like that. I actually do really prefer, but that's my 486 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:39,200 Speaker 1: hearing problem. I think that's fair. Those who have issues 487 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,479 Speaker 1: with hearing or our death or can't hear, they probably 488 00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,480 Speaker 1: would really, really really prefer being able to have a 489 00:28:45,520 --> 00:28:50,080 Speaker 1: concentrated chat room versus video chats or just a video 490 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,960 Speaker 1: or having in personal conversation whereas a giant group of people. 491 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:58,000 Speaker 1: So that makes sense. The panic I feel when I 492 00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,400 Speaker 1: have like multiple voices and I can't see faces. Oh 493 00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: my god. It is interesting to me too, um, because 494 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: I in theory I would love to do face to 495 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,080 Speaker 1: face things, and I do, but I have to do 496 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: It's like another antiproofing thing where I know, if I 497 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: don't have time, I'm going to keep talking because I 498 00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: like it and I want to talk to this person. 499 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,560 Speaker 1: So a lot of times, even though I would prefer 500 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: to do face to face, I make myself do emails 501 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: because it's a time saver. Um. So it's it's funny 502 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: to hear it from your side here, from my sider, 503 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: essentially trying to do the same thing we really are, 504 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 1: or just taking different routes and have different motivations for it. 505 00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:43,480 Speaker 1: Um And as we mentioned, when it comes to women 506 00:29:43,520 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 1: being introverts, there is the issue of the double whammy, 507 00:29:46,160 --> 00:29:49,040 Speaker 1: but going even beyond that on an intersectional level, we 508 00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: do see or even assume when it comes to women 509 00:29:51,440 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: of color, LGBTQ plus, non binary, or as Lynette Crane, 510 00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: who is a consultant that speaks on introverts and job advancement, 511 00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,840 Speaker 1: called it a triple whammy right as in fact, a 512 00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:06,000 Speaker 1: blogger named Nicole Nichols right specifically in being an introverted 513 00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 1: Black woman, in the many stereotypes that come along with 514 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: being a black woman, whether it's the expectation that black 515 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 1: women are bold and bigger than life personality, and then 516 00:30:14,040 --> 00:30:17,880 Speaker 1: what happens when that is not that person's individual personality. 517 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,680 Speaker 1: She writes, we've all seen in the media of the 518 00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:24,080 Speaker 1: Sister Girls with the rotating next, shrill voices and tempers 519 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,280 Speaker 1: that go from zero to one hundred and two seconds. 520 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:28,720 Speaker 1: As hard it is to believe in a society that 521 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,520 Speaker 1: it's more diverse than ever, there's still people whose only 522 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: exposures to black women are shows like Love and Hip Hop, 523 00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:37,520 Speaker 1: Basketball Wives and The World Housewives of Atlanta, which seemed 524 00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: to never showcase an introverted black women as In fact, 525 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 1: there was a season in which one of the members 526 00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,440 Speaker 1: of the Real Housewives Atlanta talked about the fact that 527 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,040 Speaker 1: her scenes were cut completely and I believe she wasn't 528 00:30:50,040 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: invited back because there was not enough drama. Sure, and 529 00:30:54,480 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 1: she speaks on the stereotypes that continue to dismiss introverted 530 00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,240 Speaker 1: women of color and maybe even their value. She goes 531 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: on to talk about her experiences of being reprimanded for 532 00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: being too quiet and not lively enough at a social event, 533 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: and it definitely is a level of judgment for who 534 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,160 Speaker 1: she is as an individual and a personality type. So 535 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 1: I find that really fascinating when we have that expecsion of, 536 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 1: oh my god, this is already bad, but let's add 537 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: these again intersectional issues that we don't see or think 538 00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: about enough. Yeah. Um, it is interesting to think of 539 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: how we've just sort of coded as a society that 540 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: the wallflower or whatever, that there's something wrong right right, 541 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,960 Speaker 1: and that you need to I don't know, like they're 542 00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:44,959 Speaker 1: just being weird or awkward, but really like, I don't know, 543 00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:48,160 Speaker 1: I like to go talk to the wallflower and then 544 00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:50,920 Speaker 1: if they're not into it, I just leave right And 545 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: I think this is also a big conversation to have 546 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: in the lgbt Q plus community when we think about 547 00:31:56,280 --> 00:32:00,160 Speaker 1: the ideas of a gay men versus lesbians and the 548 00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: ideas that happened of who is who, who has the 549 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:06,400 Speaker 1: bigger personality and who kind of has this negative connotation 550 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: when we see the world around us, and even when 551 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: we talked about transgender communities and in the conversations that 552 00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:15,640 Speaker 1: we have to have, you see amazing things like pose, 553 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: but automatically assume that all transgender people are that vibrant 554 00:32:21,080 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: because of a persona, and so it's very problematic when 555 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: it comes to the fact that you're not that person. 556 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 1: You're just an individual who was finding their identity in 557 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: a different way quietly and need a process. And it's 558 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,920 Speaker 1: an interesting whammy of how does this continue to affect 559 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: How do this continue to be a negative um impact 560 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: for you as that person going through such a giant 561 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: personal growth or personal awareness and trying to navigate that 562 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: in a world where you're supposed to fit into these things. 563 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: For people's entertainment. So right here, what I am hearing 564 00:32:53,240 --> 00:33:00,960 Speaker 1: it's more representation. What so, introversion has been long viewed 565 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: as a negative, as we've been discussing as recently yours 566 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: um not necessarily because of our current isolation situation, it 567 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,600 Speaker 1: has become almost popular to call oneself an introvert. I 568 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: when I was researching this, to the rue of the 569 00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:19,040 Speaker 1: reasons I felt so judged was the many articles written like, 570 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,840 Speaker 1: finally we can escape those extroverts in their small talk 571 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,720 Speaker 1: treaded small talk was like, we don't like bi small 572 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:31,480 Speaker 1: talk small talk? Oh good, well we fit well that's 573 00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: the thing. Yeah, yeah, we need each other. We do 574 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,560 Speaker 1: need each other. And it's kind of a shift in 575 00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: this conversation on what an introvert actually is, like an 576 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,960 Speaker 1: understanding of what it is, what it means, and the 577 00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:48,080 Speaker 1: power behind the creative quiet process often associated with an introvert. Right, 578 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,760 Speaker 1: and another conversation we definitely want to come back to 579 00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:53,720 Speaker 1: is the idea Chelsea Brooks talks about with the gender 580 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: perceptions of extroverse and introverse, with the idea that introversion 581 00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 1: is a feminine trait when talking about extroverse. We here 582 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: of it being masculine, bold and loud, and when we 583 00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:06,800 Speaker 1: discussed introverts, the idea of more analytical, thoughtful reserved mousey, 584 00:34:06,840 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 1: which is seen as feminine, and the question of why Yeah. Yeah, 585 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:17,160 Speaker 1: So going back to the author we mentioned earlier, Susan Kane, 586 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 1: she she's kind of like the expert right introversion. She 587 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,520 Speaker 1: wrote Quiet, The Power of Introverts in a World that 588 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:25,719 Speaker 1: Won't Stop Talking. She also did a TED talk that 589 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: I know, like Emma Watson is called out and Bill 590 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 1: Gates says it's one of his favorites. So she's a 591 00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,759 Speaker 1: big deal. In this conversation, I think every blogger that 592 00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:37,839 Speaker 1: we saw her, every writer that we saw that did 593 00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 1: a post mention her at least three or four times. Yes, 594 00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 1: And she commented on how um introversion and our ideas 595 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: around it impacts feminism. She said, women who are naturally 596 00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:52,960 Speaker 1: quiet feels if they can't be feminist or be powerful 597 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,920 Speaker 1: because of it. We really need to undo that perception. 598 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,640 Speaker 1: And yeah, we perhaps inadvertedly, are sending this message to 599 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:04,000 Speaker 1: young girls that a strong woman has to be an 600 00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 1: extroverted one. There are no strong female introverts, which is 601 00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,839 Speaker 1: absolutely not true. Yeah, as in fact, we have some 602 00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 1: examples of some amazing female introvis Audrey Hepburn, who was 603 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 1: a genius and a lovely actress way back when. Breakfast 604 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: An Tiffany's is still one of my favorites. Um, even 605 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:27,640 Speaker 1: though Campody hated it fair enough, um Eleanor Roosevelt, who 606 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:31,440 Speaker 1: had made such impact when as the first Lady Meryl Street. 607 00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 1: You don't you know she's a powerhouse. We know this, 608 00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: He's a powerhouse and everything. Rosa Parks who started a 609 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:40,680 Speaker 1: movement on her own. And then Michelle Obama, come on, 610 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,200 Speaker 1: come on, the show loves Michelle Obama. So if you don't, sorry, 611 00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:45,879 Speaker 1: but we love her, and yes she should be given 612 00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: the respect, all the respects. Yeah, it is interesting how many, um, 613 00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:57,000 Speaker 1: really creative, famous people are introverts. And actually, when I 614 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:59,360 Speaker 1: first started working here, kind of going back to your point, 615 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: I was surprised at how many of the hosts of 616 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,960 Speaker 1: the podcast we do or introverts. And I mean it 617 00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:09,240 Speaker 1: makes sense because I do think being analytical is actually 618 00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:10,839 Speaker 1: one of the keys to be in creative and that's 619 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:13,240 Speaker 1: my own personal thing. I can go into it forever 620 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: and ever I won't. But yeah, yeah, yeah, So now 621 00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 1: that we've kind of given you the three not two 622 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,120 Speaker 1: types of personalities of extrovert and divert and introvert. Where 623 00:36:26,120 --> 00:36:28,200 Speaker 1: do you think you lie and how does that affect 624 00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: us today? In quarantine? I will say specifically, as I 625 00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:35,480 Speaker 1: said earlier, at the beginning, I was kind of like, yes, 626 00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:40,400 Speaker 1: I'm a true introvert. I cannot maintain in a large group. 627 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,399 Speaker 1: I panic from the beginning, but then have to rev 628 00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,359 Speaker 1: myself up. I put on a show essentially, I think 629 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:48,319 Speaker 1: you know you and I've talked about this when I'm 630 00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:51,480 Speaker 1: on I'm on. Yeah, but it is exhausting and I 631 00:36:51,520 --> 00:36:56,280 Speaker 1: need like five days to recoup. Yeah, now I totally 632 00:36:56,320 --> 00:36:59,680 Speaker 1: get that. You actually can. I can feel it physically. 633 00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:01,840 Speaker 1: I am so exhausted. I can sleep for days. My 634 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:05,319 Speaker 1: voice is gone. Maybe because I'm always screaming um, maybe 635 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,560 Speaker 1: it's because I'm dancing too, I don't know, but it is. 636 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 1: It's a whole level of like, oh my god, these 637 00:37:09,600 --> 00:37:11,520 Speaker 1: are the things that I have to do. But I'm 638 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 1: good at it and I know how to read people enough. 639 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 1: But it also comes to the point that before I 640 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:18,880 Speaker 1: come into a situation, I'm gonna watch your personality first 641 00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,480 Speaker 1: and see what meshes First. I think that's part of 642 00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 1: my social work background as well. But in quarantine times 643 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 1: it's been kind of difficult. Like I I love my 644 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:35,160 Speaker 1: own space and I love being recharged, but yeah, I'm like, 645 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:39,840 Speaker 1: oh oh, now, this anxiety and overwhelming need to actually 646 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,400 Speaker 1: be around people has kind of pushed me to the Okay, 647 00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,719 Speaker 1: I'm ready for a giant party with my friends where 648 00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,400 Speaker 1: we're just all loudly speaking to each other, trying to 649 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: catch up, touching, maybe within three feet of each other. Right, Look, 650 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 1: every time I look at any, I think every time 651 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,160 Speaker 1: I've watched the movie recently or TV shows like they're say, 652 00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:02,520 Speaker 1: Any too close? Why are they standing so close? I 653 00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:10,200 Speaker 1: know it's going to leave a like lasting impact. We're sure, yeah, 654 00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:13,560 Speaker 1: for sure. Do you think you are absolutely an extrovert 655 00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 1: or would you say you're more of an ambivert line? Um? 656 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:22,400 Speaker 1: I actually i think I'm at like really strong, maybe 657 00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:25,560 Speaker 1: like on the very edge of ambivert and extrovert. I 658 00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 1: think I'm I'm pretty strong, Um extrovert. I actually took 659 00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,600 Speaker 1: one of the tests yesterday and out of five five 660 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 1: being extrovert one being introverted, I got four point eight 661 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,359 Speaker 1: or something. But the thing is it really helps me read, 662 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,960 Speaker 1: not to reframe to correct how I was thinking of it, 663 00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:45,800 Speaker 1: because I, like I said, I don't have to be 664 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:49,360 Speaker 1: around people all the time. Um, it's the new experiences 665 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:53,760 Speaker 1: in the stimulus that I get and like I can, 666 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:58,160 Speaker 1: I can write my fan fiction, you know days. But 667 00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,120 Speaker 1: I it is, I've noticed it. It is worn on 668 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:07,319 Speaker 1: me being in during this quarantine, right. Um. And you 669 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,560 Speaker 1: can listen to our the mini we did recently for 670 00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:13,839 Speaker 1: more on that. Um, but it's it is. I'm glad 671 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:15,560 Speaker 1: we did this one because I did have a lot 672 00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,839 Speaker 1: of misconceptions and I would have said, maybe I'm more 673 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 1: of an introvert actually, and people just think I'm an extrovert. 674 00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:24,880 Speaker 1: But you need a stimulus and I do not. But 675 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,720 Speaker 1: I think and I think for sure we're talking about memes, 676 00:39:27,760 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 1: you are absolutely the one I'm thinking of when they'll 677 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,279 Speaker 1: like check on your extroverse, they're not okay, I know, 678 00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:41,680 Speaker 1: I'm just like standing at the window looking out fromone 679 00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:46,200 Speaker 1: someone to come talk to me. Definitely check in, I 680 00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:47,919 Speaker 1: mean checking in all your friends because like we said, 681 00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,520 Speaker 1: it's not like it's a cake walk for introverts. Right. 682 00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:54,120 Speaker 1: And remember, because the anxiety and the like if we're 683 00:39:54,160 --> 00:39:57,759 Speaker 1: talking about the level of the analytical side of this. 684 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,279 Speaker 1: This is a haunting and very scary moment for everyone. 685 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,200 Speaker 1: And it doesn't matter what your personality type is. If 686 00:40:04,200 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 1: you're optimistic, wonderful, But for an introvert who against can 687 00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,839 Speaker 1: internalize a lot of emotions in general, and it may 688 00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:16,280 Speaker 1: not speak out when something is wrong. Is definitely something 689 00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 1: this can be a problematic issue. Oh yeah, yeah, I 690 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: mean it's it's not easy for for anybody, for sure. 691 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,359 Speaker 1: So in general, check on your people's yes, yes, check 692 00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:32,600 Speaker 1: on all your friends and yeah, right to us, right, please, 693 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,359 Speaker 1: And we would love to hear from you. We'd love 694 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:39,319 Speaker 1: to know where you are on this extrovert introvert spectrum. 695 00:40:39,600 --> 00:40:42,440 Speaker 1: Um you can email us. Our email is Stuff Media, 696 00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 1: mom Stuff at i heart media dot com. You can 697 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 1: find us on Twitter at mom Stuff Podcasts or on 698 00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,760 Speaker 1: Instagram at Stuff I've Never Told You. 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