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Speaker 1: Hello.

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Speaker 2: Is this a therapy?

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Speaker 1: Get go? Yes? Is this You didn't even give me

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Speaker 1: your name? What's your name? Or give me a fake name?

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Speaker 1: You know what, I'm gonna give you a fake name.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to call you John so John, Yes, Gecko?

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Speaker 1: What's up? Man? What's up? You texted me and you said,

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about how I went from being

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Speaker 1: a Santa Elf to a being a clown influencer to

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Speaker 1: being a school teacher. What is this? You seem like

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Speaker 1: you've had an interesting career trajectory. I'd like to hear

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Speaker 1: about it.

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Speaker 3: Oh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the pipeline is definitely strange for sure.

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Speaker 1: Let's start from the beginning.

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Speaker 2: I started being a clown or not a clown. I

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Speaker 2: started being a clown years ago. I started being a

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Speaker 2: Santa Elf because I was kicked out of my mom's

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Speaker 2: house when I was like seventeen, and so I started

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Speaker 2: being a clown or not a clown elf. And it

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Speaker 2: was a really weird experience. The people there were always

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Speaker 2: on drugs and I don't know, it was just an experience.

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Speaker 2: For sure. I was an alcoholic at the time, so

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Speaker 2: I'd be like a drunk elf and I don't know,

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Speaker 2: it was a weird experience. I lived in a weird house.

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Speaker 2: I don't know where to go from there.

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Speaker 1: But you were like living that movie Bad Santa.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure. I was definitely in Bad Santa.

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Speaker 2: I almost went back this year as like a side

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Speaker 2: hustle on top of being a teacher, and then I

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Speaker 2: was like, I don't know if I can go back

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Speaker 2: with how much I've changed since the last time I

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Speaker 2: was Santa Elf, because I was definitely not the best

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Speaker 2: Santa Elf.

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Speaker 1: I have questions. So, all right, so you were kicked

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Speaker 1: out at seventeen and you dropped You dropped out of

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Speaker 1: high school around then.

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Speaker 2: I dropped out of high school like six months before

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Speaker 2: because I kind of could tell I was about to.

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Speaker 3: Get kicked out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah I'm in college now, but I great. Yeah, I

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Speaker 2: was kicked out and I didn't know what job to work,

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Speaker 2: and I saw a posting for Santa and I applied

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Speaker 2: as a joke. And then they called me back and

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Speaker 2: they're like, how old are you? And I was like, seventeen,

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Speaker 2: can I still be Santa? And they gave me an

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Speaker 2: interview for Santa, but they said it didn't work out,

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Speaker 2: so they gave you Santa Elf.

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Speaker 1: Are you skinny or fat.

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Speaker 2: I'm not skinny at whatsoever, but I'm definitely not old

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Speaker 2: looking enough to be Santa.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like a seventeen first of all, a

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Speaker 1: seventeen first of all, people lining up to sit on

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Speaker 1: a seventeen year old lap a little weird, but.

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Speaker 2: It's got to be illegal.

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Speaker 1: That's got to be illegal. So I think, yeah, you're

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Speaker 1: better suited to be uh an Elf. I would say,

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Speaker 1: so interesting. So you just applied as a job, I mean,

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Speaker 1: not his job as a joke. What was your experience

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Speaker 1: at the time that that made them call you back?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. I used to work a lot of

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Speaker 2: events stuff. That's kind of what led me into clowning.

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Speaker 2: I used to work at my city's art museum and

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Speaker 2: like a bunch of stuff. So I think they were

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Speaker 2: just like, yeah, he could probably Santa Santa or Santa Elf.

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Speaker 2: And it was a weird experience because there was like,

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Speaker 2: there's such intense drama with all of the Santas and

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Speaker 2: all of the ELFs.

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Speaker 1: I would love to hear some stories of drama in

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Speaker 1: the uh in the Elf Santa universe.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I think my favorite Santa where there was drama, Well, no,

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Speaker 2: I have two favorite Santa's where there's drama. One was

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Speaker 2: so unbelievably narcissistic and abusive to his daughter that was

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Speaker 2: a Santa elf. And he was also really homophobic and

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Speaker 2: really transphobic, and the manager was gay, and so my

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Speaker 2: manager hated him. And he would into such intense fights,

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Speaker 2: like moments before we're opening the door for a bunch

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Speaker 2: like come the like that Santa would come into work

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Speaker 2: drunk almost every single day and it was really really goofy.

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Speaker 1: And then, honest, I do feel like like being a

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Speaker 1: mall Santa, it is kind of a great job for

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Speaker 1: someone who's a narcissist, right, Like you're the guy you know, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I know Santa.

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Speaker 2: The daughter was like the whole reason he's Santa is

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Speaker 2: because he's narcissistic and he couldn't find a job where

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Speaker 2: he could get more attention than being the Santa what

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Speaker 1: Mean, I mean, look, if you're gonna look if that's

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Speaker 1: just part of who you are, right is, like you

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Speaker 1: have this grand desire for attention. Being a mall Santa

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Speaker 1: is not the worst outlet I've ever heard of for that.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, for sure. I feel like it's honestly probably

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Speaker 2: the best outlet if you're gonna do anything. I feel

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Speaker 2: like that's the least harmful. And the other Santa that

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Speaker 2: I really loved, where's a lot of drama. It's just

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Speaker 2: really funny. He definitely had dementia and didn't want to

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Speaker 2: time and be like who's this? Where am I? He's

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Speaker 2: like look down in his Santa suit and he's like

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Speaker 1: See, a narcissist would make a good Santa, but someone

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Speaker 1: with dementia that'd be kind of hard because Santa's known

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Speaker 1: for being like omnipotent, you know what I mean, Like

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Speaker 1: he's supposed to like know, He's like God, He's like

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Speaker 1: supposed to know everything.

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Speaker 2: Oh for sure.

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Speaker 1: So what happened this? This the second Santa that you liked? Well,

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Speaker 1: was there any drama or you just liked him? He's

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Speaker 3: I just liked him.

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Speaker 2: But it was funny because he just like never knew

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Speaker 2: where he was. And then there was also like missus

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Speaker 1: Why was she calling the elves whores?

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Speaker 2: The elves were all hooking up and like everyone knew it.

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Speaker 2: I was not personally hooking up because I'm in a

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Speaker 2: long term relationship, but every other elf was like hardcore

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Speaker 2: hooking up with each other. So much drama at work.

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Speaker 2: And one time this girl was sitting like on the

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Speaker 2: floor and missus Claus comes up to her and goes,

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Speaker 2: that's how hookers sit in the Netherlands. If you sit

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Speaker 2: like that, you're gonna get asked for sex. And we

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Speaker 1: Huh, how many how many elves worked here?

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Speaker 2: I think about thirty elves. Yeah, I knew all the

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Speaker 2: so I had all of the drama of all of

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Speaker 2: the elves and all of the Santas, and I did

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Speaker 2: not hold it very well because I was very drunk

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Speaker 1: Were all the other elves also very drunk and high

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah? People would take smoke breaks off the time,

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Speaker 2: and we were like the most hated people in the

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Speaker 2: and like every other department in the store actively made

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Speaker 2: fun of us and like would bet on who's going

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Speaker 2: to quit?

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Speaker 1: The soonest are all of the are were all of

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Speaker 2: Not necessarily a lot of them were just because it

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Speaker 2: middle aged women who were just doing it as a

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Speaker 2: I don't want to come in, and she was like

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Speaker 2: why and they're like, I'm Jewish and and she was.

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Speaker 1: Like, so, dude, Jewish people love Santa. I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't know that, but I believe you, Yeah, dude. One

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Speaker 1: Christmas tree. That's what he always wanted to fucking he

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Speaker 1: was Jewish. His whole his whole life, he was told,

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Speaker 1: you know, as a Jew, he could not celebrate Christmas.

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Speaker 1: And then finally, you know, a single man in his

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Speaker 1: reliving the uh you know, his his his dreams is

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Speaker 2: Anyway, my my ex girlfriend was Jewish and her the

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Speaker 2: only reason they were Jewish is because of her grandma.

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Speaker 2: And when her grandma died, she cheered because she was like,

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Speaker 2: I can finally eat bacon and celebrate Christmas.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, every every every Jewish, every Jewish kid. Because

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Speaker 1: when you were a child like and you see every

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Speaker 1: that you can't do it. And so when those shackles

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I as a school teacher during the holiday scene

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Speaker 2: asking me, like, why does it Santa visit Jewish people?

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Speaker 2: And I said I don't know, because I was like

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Speaker 1: Well, we have Hanikah Harry, but he's a little bit

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Speaker 2: Creep Hankah Harry, Yeah, we.

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Speaker 1: Don't talk about him. But anyway, all right, so you're

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Speaker 1: working at how long? Were you an elf?

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Speaker 2: For like three or four months?

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Speaker 1: All right? And what made you quit?

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Speaker 2: I didn't quit. I got it was like a seasonal

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Speaker 2: And then I worked at a coffee chain, a really

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Speaker 2: So I begged my old manager at Santa to get

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Speaker 2: a breaking point of like, if I work in retail

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Speaker 2: any longer, I think I'll fall apart. So that's how

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Speaker 2: I started looking into being a teacher.

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Speaker 1: And so is that what you do now?

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm an after school teacher and it's pretty insane.

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Speaker 2: I think it's actually funnier than being an elf, because

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Speaker 2: with an elf, like the all you see of the

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Speaker 2: kids is crying and screaming and waiting for Santa, and

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Speaker 2: the things I see on the daily as an after

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Speaker 2: school teacher is just so much funnier.

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Speaker 1: What's the funniest thing you've seen as an after school teacher.

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Speaker 2: Oh, there's so many. There's so many. I have like

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Speaker 2: a quote page in my journal of funny shit they say.

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Speaker 2: I think the funniest thing I've ever not witnessed but

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Speaker 2: heard a kids say was he was reading this garf

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Speaker 2: My coworkers like, why would he not eat Lazan on Mondays?

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Speaker 2: If he hates Mondays? And the kid goes, well, think

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Speaker 2: about it. If your dad died, would you want to

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Speaker 2: eat Lazania the next day? And they were like what

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Speaker 2: And he was like, diet tip, kill your dad.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you should just kill your family, But don't, don't.

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Speaker 2: I'm not condoning that, but kill your family.

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Speaker 2: I mean in some circumstances. I think it's situational. I

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's the situation where you should kill your family.

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Speaker 1: I respect that. Hold you now.

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Speaker 3: I'm eighteen.

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Speaker 2: I've been working as a teacher since September. I think

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Speaker 1: Jesus fucking christ Man. So I'm curious. I'm curious, I

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Speaker 2: I'm really good at talking my way into things, but

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Speaker 1: And how are you on the alcohol now?

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Speaker 2: It's like very very random at this point. I mostly

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, you're a young fucking guy, John,

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Speaker 1: What are you going to what's your plan? What are

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 1: I what do you desire for life?

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Speaker 2: I've just been focusing on doing the most shit possible.

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Speaker 2: I host clown events. That's the clown part. I host

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Speaker 1: That sounds fucking awesome. What dude, Can I ask you

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Speaker 1: what state you live in? Or is that too much information? Oh?

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Speaker 2: I don't care. I live in Washington, live.

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Speaker 1: In Portland, right?

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Speaker 1: Wait, you you host hold on? You hosted in a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was actually really awesome. I was like looked

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Speaker 2: So there was eight clown men. They had a talent thing.

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Speaker 2: My favorite round is when they all threw pie at

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Speaker 1: Now, real quick, John, real quick, John, I really want

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Speaker 1: First of all, I find it fascinating. I'm very impressed

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Speaker 1: form community? Right, Like, how do you how do you

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Speaker 1: How do you kind of make your own thing and

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Speaker 1: to go out and make a It's what you're doing.

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Speaker 1: I love it so much because you're going like okay,

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Speaker 1: like who who am I? And like what's important to me?

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Speaker 1: And how can I put it out in the universe

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Speaker 1: So if you could just tell us real quick, like

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Speaker 3: What?

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Speaker 1: Like me, give me some logistics?

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Speaker 2: Actually were my not my whole inspiration, but like like

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Speaker 2: But for that one, it was a lot of reaching

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Speaker 2: What do you want to do?

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Speaker 3: Will you?

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Speaker 2: What do you want to do at the thing, so

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Speaker 2: there was I reached out to a band I know.

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Speaker 2: I reached out to my friend that is a line cook,

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Speaker 2: But most of the frustrating part was just figuring out

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Speaker 2: I kind of go into event planning in a shitty

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Speaker 1: I just kind of no, no, no, no, I'm gonna tell you.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you, so I'm gonna tell you something.

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Speaker 1: You do it. Don't try to get it. Don't try

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Speaker 1: to get it. It twisted. But but anyway, So, so John,

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Speaker 1: Are you and your mom still cool? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we're really cool. It was entirely because of her boyfriend.

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Speaker 2: So I we we're cool. We hang all the time.

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Speaker 1: Cool. So I mean, dude, I'm very impressed with you that,

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Speaker 1: my dude, Like that's all really cool. I'm inspired by

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Speaker 1: you genuinely. You just did this random clown pageant thing.

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Speaker 1: I want to do more shit. I want to do

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Speaker 1: because I'm in my head about like all these things

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Speaker 2: I was actually really bombed because I saw that you

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Speaker 1: Yeah, man, let me know if you want to come.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing a show. I don't know if you're in Seattle,

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Speaker 1: if I don't know if it's any one, I don't

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Speaker 2: Free show? Twenty one plus?

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Speaker 1: Oh damn, I was gonna. I was gonna. I was

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Speaker 1: gonna invite you to come, but yeah, you got to

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Speaker 2: I mean my friend I would get a fake ID

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Speaker 2: with somebody. You got me a fake idea, and I

439
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 2: was like, no, I'm not getting a fake ID for that.

440
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,160
Speaker 2: I'm not spending hundreds of dollar. It's get a fake

441
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:54,440
Speaker 2: I need to go to the Gecko show.

442
00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:57,240
Speaker 1: Fair enough. Well, I mean here's the thing. Man, going

443
00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,280
Speaker 1: into the park and make your own illegal Gecko show.

444
00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,280
Speaker 1: You can get a bunch of people, yeah, me and

445
00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:02,360
Speaker 1: around to you.

446
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:04,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna impersonal. I'm gonna get my own gucko

447
00:22:04,960 --> 00:22:08,239
Speaker 2: costume and I'll stand outside the venue for anyone that

448
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:08,920
Speaker 2: can't go in.

449
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 1: Is there anything else that you want to say to

450
00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,400
Speaker 1: the people of the computer before we go, John.

451
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,480
Speaker 2: If you have an idea, do it, even if it's stupid.

452
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 2: Kiss bugs, hand out stickers, smoke weed if you like

453
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:31,639
Speaker 2: to do that. And stop taking yourself so seriously. That's

454
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:34,320
Speaker 2: probably the best part, the best thing that helped me

455
00:22:34,760 --> 00:22:37,960
Speaker 2: getting sober and in general, just stop taking yourself so seriously.

456
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 1: Let me ask you one final thing before we go,

457
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:41,399
Speaker 1: And if you don't want to doc yourself or if

458
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:43,439
Speaker 1: there's no real way to do this, then that's okay,

459
00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,120
Speaker 1: but there are people in the chat, myself included, who

460
00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,240
Speaker 1: are curious. Let's say somebody is in the Seattle area

461
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,639
Speaker 1: and would like to attend your next clown show. How

462
00:22:51,720 --> 00:22:53,240
Speaker 1: might one do that? If that's possible?

463
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 2: Oh yes, I had an Instagram for it, and then

464
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:58,200
Speaker 2: I don't anymore. But I'll plug my person mind.

465
00:22:58,200 --> 00:22:58,600
Speaker 1: I don't care.

466
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 2: It's guard Knees and I regularly randomly post different clown

467
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:07,720
Speaker 2: stuff and just different shit in general.

468
00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:08,400
Speaker 3: I tried to.

469
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:10,600
Speaker 2: Host a bug meet up for people that like bus

470
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:11,280
Speaker 2: but it fell through.

471
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 1: Gargoyle Just Gargoyle knees all one word.

472
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 2: Yes, all one word, Gargoyle Knees. I I also, if

473
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:24,520
Speaker 2: you're in the Seattle area, I'm friends with a lot

474
00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,600
Speaker 2: of event people, so if you're looking for stuff, I'm

475
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 2: usually posting it.

476
00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:31,399
Speaker 1: Cool. Well, everyone hit up Gargoyle Knees on Instagram if

477
00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,320
Speaker 1: you want to go to the next clown time while

478
00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:35,840
Speaker 1: I'm in town. I'm fucking there, bro.

479
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 2: I will plug one soon. April sixth I'm having a

480
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 2: backyard circus s'mores clown party.

481
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,760
Speaker 1: So sick, but yes, thank you, Gecko.

482
00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,840
Speaker 2: I was an honor. I've been listening to you for

483
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 2: like two years. Every time I feel miserable, I just

484
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:57,480
Speaker 2: turn on the geck.

485
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Speaker 1: Thank you, John. You have a rest of the night.

486
00:24:00,600 --> 00:24:01,440
Speaker 1: I appreciate you sharing.

487
00:24:01,680 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 2: You have good rest of your day.

488
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:08,560
Speaker 1: Bye bye John. Dude. I really really really like that caller.

489
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:12,640
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not bullshitting and like just blowing smoke

490
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,439
Speaker 1: up his ass when I say I'm inspired by that,

491
00:24:14,520 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 1: because like, and he's so fucking young. He's eighteen, and

492
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: he's like forming this path for himself and creating community

493
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:29,520
Speaker 1: with such initiative to be doing these pageants and putting

494
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,240
Speaker 1: on all this stuff and like not letting just not

495
00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:35,399
Speaker 1: like shit stop him, you know, like, uh, you know,

496
00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 1: he overcame fucking the whatever was going on in his

497
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,199
Speaker 1: home life. He ever came having to drop out of

498
00:24:41,240 --> 00:24:45,080
Speaker 1: high school. He ever came like uh uh you know,

499
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: fucking any kind of social anxiety that that that you

500
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: know is needed to do all this stuff. And he's

501
00:24:49,760 --> 00:24:52,800
Speaker 1: just fucking eighteen and he's like, I don't care about

502
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,920
Speaker 1: the city laws. I'm putting on my goddamn clown pageant.

503
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: I love it. I'm inspired by it. And I hope

504
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 1: that uh, anyone listening to this goes goes check out

505
00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: gargoyle knees. I would love it if next time he

506
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,119
Speaker 1: does this clown ship a whole bunch of people from

507
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: the podcast show up. So uh rock and roll shout

508
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:17,920
Speaker 1: out to John and uh uh fucking nice man. Yeah,

509
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 1: I have I have all these ideas for things that

510
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 1: I want to do, like little events and stuff, but

511
00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 1: I just keep putting them off. That's why I said

512
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: I was inspired by him, because I just keep putting

513
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 1: all this show. I mean, I know I'm doing a

514
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: whole tour of live events and stuff, but I have

515
00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: you know, I have all I have other ideas too,

516
00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 1: so hey, follow me on Instagram too. Man, I'm gonna

517
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:41,160
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start hosting weird clown shit. Maybe not clowns,

518
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 1: maybe uh maybe clowns. I don't know, but yeah, thanks John.

519
00:25:49,800 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 4: Oh.

520
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: Also, I just another note to John. I forgot to

521
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 1: mention this, but uh whatever, I'll jinx myself. I'll give

522
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: a fuck. I do my gut co on the street

523
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: thing where I like set up in a park and

524
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,440
Speaker 1: interview people and stuff. You think, but do you think

525
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 1: I'm paying for a permit to do that shit? You

526
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 1: think I'm getting permits from the city to do my

527
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:15,679
Speaker 1: Gecko shit. You're out of your mind. Hey, folks, this

528
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:18,560
Speaker 1: is Lyle. I am very excited to announce that I

529
00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 1: am going back on tour in twenty twenty four to

530
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,880
Speaker 1: do Therapy Gecko Live all across the country. If you've

531
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 1: never been to one of my live shows before, they

532
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:33,080
Speaker 1: are extremely fun, unpredictable, wild evenings that involve a mix

533
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 1: of group Gecko therapy sessions as well as some material

534
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: and presentations from myself. And if you've been to the

535
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,800
Speaker 1: show before, I have new presentations and will of course

536
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: be interviewing new people. If you're a fan of the podcast,

537
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:50,879
Speaker 1: you're gonna have a great time at the live show,

538
00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 1: So I hope to see you guys there. Go to

539
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: Therapy geckotour dot com or check the link in the

540
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:59,960
Speaker 1: episode description for a full list of cities where tickets

541
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: are available. Also, if you don't see your city on

542
00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:05,639
Speaker 1: the list of cities, please still click the link and

543
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: rs VP with your phone number so I can contact

544
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 1: you when tickets go on sale for your city, because

545
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:14,760
Speaker 1: I'm going to announce a bunch more dates very soon.

546
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 1: Yeck bless.

547
00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 3: Hello.

548
00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: Hi? Who is this?

549
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:27,840
Speaker 3: Oh? Nice? Oh? This is a I guess you can

550
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 3: call me Gabe.

551
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: Gabe, my man. What's going on? How's it going?

552
00:27:32,040 --> 00:27:36,119
Speaker 3: Not much? Not much? My wife wants to stay Hi.

553
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 1: Oh sure, Hi.

554
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 4: My husband's obsessed with you.

555
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: Well, I'm obsessed with your husband. That's why I called him.

556
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: I wanted to get my moment with him.

557
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,320
Speaker 4: Oh my god. Yeah, okay, I'm gonna come back on okay.

558
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 3: All right. So no, yeah, I've been going to actual

559
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 3: therapy and I told my therapist about you, and uh,

560
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,639
Speaker 3: I invited him to come see you on when you

561
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 3: come to Miami. And he said, yeah, you and.

562
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: Your therapist are coming to one of my lives just together.

563
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:06,520
Speaker 4: Yeah.

564
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,119
Speaker 3: Is that crazier? Is that crazier or what is that?

565
00:28:09,359 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: Is that like weird to like hang out with your therapist?

566
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:14,360
Speaker 3: So I started I started crying. What he said, yes,

567
00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 3: I thought so weird?

568
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 1: You started crying. Why did you start crying? When he

569
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 1: said yes, I.

570
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 3: Got a little emotional, you know, because like I don't

571
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:22,399
Speaker 3: have friends, and you know.

572
00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:25,000
Speaker 1: You don't have anything. Well, okay, well you have one friend.

573
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,800
Speaker 1: Your wife seems like your your wife seems like she

574
00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,760
Speaker 1: likes you. I don't think she would live in a

575
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: house with you. And get married to you if she

576
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:33,480
Speaker 1: didn't want to be your friends.

577
00:28:33,560 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 3: Well, well, the well, the problem is that I would

578
00:28:36,160 --> 00:28:38,440
Speaker 3: go with her, but she's about to have a baby,

579
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 3: like next month, so she wouldn't really be able to

580
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,240
Speaker 3: come with me when you come to Miami.

581
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 1: So why because she's too she's too pregnant to come.

582
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:50,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, not too pregnant. She just had the baby, and

583
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,760
Speaker 3: we don't have we don't really have anybody to watch them,

584
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 3: watch watch the kids. You know, I have like two

585
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 3: of the kids in the house right now too.

586
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: That's nice for her to watch the kid while you

587
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: go to see my show with your therapist.

588
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:07,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna reconfirm with him, hopefully, he says yes. Again.

589
00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 3: I don't even know if I should be confirmed with

590
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 3: him or not, but I just want to make sure

591
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:12,920
Speaker 3: it doesn't seem too weird?

592
00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 1: Is it okay? So, I mean, this is an interesting thing.

593
00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,360
Speaker 1: Do you think like hanging out with your therapist socially

594
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:20,480
Speaker 1: would be weird?

595
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 3: No? No, we're cool as fuck. The thing is like,

596
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's cool with him. I feel

597
00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 3: like it's fine, you know, but I don't know if

598
00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,160
Speaker 3: that's like hip hop protocol you saw me. But it's

599
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 3: not like I'm gonna slitch on him or nothing.

600
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: Now do you have are you afraid that? Like you know,

601
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 1: maybe like you and your therapist, you go to the show,

602
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: maybe you get some drinks afterwards, maybe you get some

603
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,160
Speaker 1: drinks during and maybe you guys are at the bar

604
00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:46,959
Speaker 1: and and you just you start going in on them, right,

605
00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 1: not going not like going in on them, but like

606
00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: you start start no, not hitting on him, not hitting

607
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,160
Speaker 1: I didn't say hitting, no, like you just start telling him.

608
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: You start like you know, laying out your your your

609
00:29:57,560 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 1: normal therapy stuff, and he's looking at you like, dude,

610
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:01,240
Speaker 1: you know, I.

611
00:30:01,160 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 3: Would like to tell him more my my my real ship,

612
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,920
Speaker 3: because I don't want him to jot down my crazy ship.

613
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 3: You know, I have like an addiction ship. You know,

614
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:15,360
Speaker 3: I don't want him writing down. So maybe he could

615
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 3: help me, you know.

616
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 1: So the idea would be that you go out with

617
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: him socially and you are you trying to get some

618
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,240
Speaker 1: free therapy out of this or are you gonna keep it?

619
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 2: No?

620
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,479
Speaker 3: No, no, no, just talk to him and see what

621
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 3: he thinks, you know, maybe can help me with that.

622
00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to I'm trying to hang out and

623
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 3: see the geck though.

624
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 1: What if you guys, what if you guys become like

625
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,360
Speaker 1: really good friends. What if you become such good friends

626
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 1: that like you can't be he can't be your therapist

627
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: anymore because.

628
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 3: It's uh, I mean friends, friends talk to each other.

629
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,480
Speaker 3: You know, it's therapy itself.

630
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: You know what did he say when you told him? Okay?

631
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 3: So you hed hey, and then I started crying.

632
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: So you said, hey, there's this fake gecko therapist guy he's.

633
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 3: Doing a couple of weeks ago, I'm like, Yo, you

634
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 3: should really listen to this guy. He's a gecko. Can

635
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 3: he get here just like a therapist? And he's like,

636
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 3: oh yeah, I'm gonna check him out. And then a

637
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 3: couple of weeks later, I'm like, yo, you know he's

638
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 3: coming coming to Miami. He's going to go see him.

639
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 3: And then he's like hell yeah, And I'm like, don't worry,

640
00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:24,360
Speaker 3: I'm gonna pay for everything I got you. And I

641
00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 3: at a little tearyd because I get emotional.

642
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 1: Why do you feel like you get emotional for? Why

643
00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: why do you feel like this made yourself?

644
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 3: I'm I don't know, I've been through a lot. You know,

645
00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,480
Speaker 3: and I'm scary motherfucker. You know I still cry.

646
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 1: You're a scary motherfucker.

647
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:46,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, oll at least people think I'm scary. People think

648
00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 3: I'm aggressive. I don't think I'm not. I'm just I'm Cuban.

649
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 3: I'm loud. You feel me, like, I don't know. The

650
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 3: way I talk, I guess is like a little too

651
00:31:56,000 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 3: intimidating or I don't know. People think i'm People think

652
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:02,960
Speaker 3: I talk Mexican. I ain't know Mexican. I'm in Miami.

653
00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 3: There's how people in Miami talking for me?

654
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:06,480
Speaker 1: Are you Cuban?

655
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm Cuban.

656
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 1: Okay, there's a large Cuban population down there, right.

657
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, this is a Cuban city over here.

658
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 1: Okay. So so people think that you're like a tough guy,

659
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: but you're really a big soft.

660
00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I have a beard and you know, I'm

661
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:29,480
Speaker 3: like three hundred pounds, Like I don't look three hundred pounds,

662
00:32:29,480 --> 00:32:33,440
Speaker 3: but I'm like big if I'm black, big bone. But

663
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 3: I'm like, I'm cool, man. I don't know why people

664
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:38,680
Speaker 3: fucking get so scared of me, Like my wife's family

665
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 3: hates me, like shit, wild over here.

666
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 1: Is your Why do you think your wife's family hates you.

667
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 3: I don't know, they're fucking walking fuck. I try to

668
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 3: like be nice to the family and ship, but like

669
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 3: I started them, I started noticing them lying to me

670
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 3: in my face, and I found out what the lives were,

671
00:32:58,200 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 3: so I know they lied to me. I'm like, damn,

672
00:32:59,800 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 3: y y'all can just talk to me normal, like y'all

673
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 3: show me some little kids like whyle y'are lying to me.

674
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 3: Show me, but it's all good, the fake motherfuckers and

675
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,000
Speaker 3: let me not get involved with those types of people.

676
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 3: There's no point, my wife warned me. But I was

677
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 3: just trying to like rekindle her family, you know, So.

678
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,200
Speaker 1: Give me so, So give me a second here, Gabe,

679
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,479
Speaker 1: because there's I I have like seven you There's like

680
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: six different things I want to Well, there's.

681
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 3: One main thing I want to talk to you about

682
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:29,360
Speaker 3: because I went crazy today.

683
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, sorright, So I mean there's a thousand

684
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: I want to know about. I mean, obviously I only

685
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: want to know about what you want to talk about

686
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 1: on this podcast. But like you've brought up You've brought

687
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,040
Speaker 1: up many different You've brought up many different things that

688
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: we could delve into.

689
00:33:41,960 --> 00:33:43,280
Speaker 3: If you have one, to tell me where you want

690
00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 3: me to go from here.

691
00:33:44,400 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 1: So if you have several different things that you want

692
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:51,000
Speaker 1: to If you haven't, let's start with you the thing

693
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: you wanted to talk about, and then we can get

694
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 1: into the other stuff. What was the thing that you want.

695
00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 3: To right right now? Just got off of a little bitch,

696
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,160
Speaker 3: not a bitch. I just started to night and I

697
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 3: went nuts because I'm hearing shit you so me and

698
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:06,320
Speaker 3: I'm like, and I'm doing the whole little looking out

699
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:09,360
Speaker 3: the window and hearing ship in the bathroom, and I

700
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 3: fucking ripped off the top of the bathroom and I

701
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 3: started like putting the light and the shadows like I'm like,

702
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,680
Speaker 3: I'm not going crazy, Like the shadows is black. I'm

703
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 3: pointing the light, while the fuck is the light not

704
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 3: going through the light something's blocking it. And then I

705
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 3: point the light back on it. I can see through it.

706
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 3: How the fuck is that even possible? Explain that to me?

707
00:34:32,760 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 4: What?

708
00:34:33,640 --> 00:34:35,960
Speaker 1: Okay? All right? Wait, So so you're you're ripping the

709
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 1: tile off the bathroom.

710
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're like it's fantis And like I'm looking through

711
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:43,560
Speaker 3: the people to see if somebody is trying to look

712
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 3: at me, you feel me and I turn on the

713
00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 3: light and I can't see nothing. It's just dark.

714
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: So you're you're you're, you're paranoid that somebody might be

715
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 1: might be watching somebody. That's what That's what you texted me.

716
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: You texted me saying I have somebody sleeping and spying

717
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 1: on me through the bathroom.

718
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, so this this happens every time, you know. I'm like,

719
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 3: how the fuck? And like some Brando mouth calls got

720
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,960
Speaker 3: me called me today and I feel like he tapped

721
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 3: into my phone somehow. I don't even know, because he

722
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 3: knows I caught him this time, he told me, and

723
00:35:18,360 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 3: I have it on camera. I have it on camera

724
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 3: this time, Like, okay, I don't even Yeah, I got

725
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 3: a slow down for me for a second game.

726
00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: Why do you think that somebody is spying on you?

727
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 3: I don't know, because I'd be paranoid. People are trying

728
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 3: to fuck with my life and destroy my life and ship,

729
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:42,480
Speaker 3: and I be doing things I'm not supposed to be doing,

730
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 3: you know, so I get paranoid.

731
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 1: All right, let me ask you this, uh, this guy

732
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: that you're going to my show with, this therapist, if you.

733
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:52,879
Speaker 3: Talk to him, he does not know nothing about this?

734
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,719
Speaker 1: Wait? Did Wait? You haven't told him about this? This

735
00:35:55,760 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 1: sounds sounds like something you should talk to your therapist? Wait?

736
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:03,600
Speaker 1: Why for me again? So that from again? Why do

737
00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,399
Speaker 1: you not want to talk? Why do you not want

738
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: to talk to your therapist? Why do you not want

739
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: to talk to your therapist about.

740
00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:13,880
Speaker 3: My children are gone? I don't think he'll do it,

741
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 3: but you'll probably help me try to, like, you know,

742
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 3: give me good advice. But still I'm too scared. I

743
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:21,200
Speaker 3: can't run the risk.

744
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,000
Speaker 1: Why would he call CPS on you?

745
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,799
Speaker 3: Are you allowed to do drugs in one of your kids?

746
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 3: I don't think so?

747
00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:29,960
Speaker 1: Hold on this is is this a drug thing? Or

748
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:30,800
Speaker 1: are you just paranoid?

749
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:34,959
Speaker 3: No? I'm I just going on my drugs. I hear things.

750
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:40,879
Speaker 1: Oh okay, are you? Are you by the way, you

751
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: just so you know?

752
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 3: You only if you don't want to just pop too

753
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 3: right now? So I'm chilling, Okay, all right?

754
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, you don't have to tell

755
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: me anything you don't want to tell me, But I like,

756
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 1: if you want to talk about this weekend? Are you

757
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,879
Speaker 1: all right? What drug are you taking that makes you

758
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 1: think that you're like ship?

759
00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 3: I don't really want to talk about what drugs I'm taking.

760
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:11,600
Speaker 3: It's embarrassing, okay, but they're real hard. Okay. Yeah, I'm

761
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 3: going through a lot right now. I'm going through a

762
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 3: core process right now. I have a stepson that I've

763
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 3: had since one years old. He's six right now, where

764
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,880
Speaker 3: I'm taking him to school, He's at A's and B's, Like,

765
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 3: I take him to school every single day, Like I'm

766
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:27,840
Speaker 3: I'm a functional addict. Youee me? I do it on

767
00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 3: the weekends. I don't do it every day. You know

768
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 3: what I'm saying. I'm gucco, I'm good. Hm, But people

769
00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 3: take it the wrong way. You feel me like like,

770
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 3: I don't know. I just live my life, bro. So

771
00:37:42,360 --> 00:37:45,600
Speaker 3: I'm happy. I'm happy, you know, and that's all that matters.

772
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: Okay, huh right, So wait, I don't do it every weekend.

773
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 3: I don't do it every week If you give me

774
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 3: the yeah, you know what I mean?

775
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 1: So, so, Gabe, do you I mean tell me this?

776
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:56,799
Speaker 1: Do you.

777
00:37:58,400 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 4: Like?

778
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:03,319
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna play a little armchair therapist here right now?

779
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:07,080
Speaker 1: Do you Okay, when you take a bunch of drugs

780
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:08,480
Speaker 1: and you don't have to tell me what the drug is,

781
00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: but when you take a bunch of drugs and it

782
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: makes you paranoid, and it makes you think that people

783
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: are like it.

784
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 3: I like it. I like it.

785
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,319
Speaker 1: I like it, okay, because I was gonna ask, wait, Gabe,

786
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: gavee Gabe, let me, let me, let me finish my

787
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:27,240
Speaker 1: questions for a second. Does it make your life worse

788
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:27,840
Speaker 1: or better?

789
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 3: It makes it worse, like when I'm well. It makes

790
00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 3: it worse when I'm coming off of it. But it's

791
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 3: only for a little bit. I already learned how to

792
00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 3: get through it. People like go crazy because they want

793
00:38:38,440 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 3: to keep doing. They want to keep doing it and

794
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:41,279
Speaker 3: want to keep doing. But I'm gonna go nuts like that,

795
00:38:41,680 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 3: and I know that I'm not dumb, so I'm just,

796
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 3: you know, stop and get the little crazyiness out of

797
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:49,720
Speaker 3: me for a little bit. You know, it's a little routine.

798
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 3: You know, you gotta know how to fuck with it.

799
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: Do you have any do you have any desire within

800
00:38:55,239 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 1: you to to to quit?

801
00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 3: Yes? I do, okay, especially I'm about to have another baby,

802
00:39:04,040 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 3: and I really like every time I come off of it,

803
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:11,440
Speaker 3: my son wakes up with a AI and I'm like,

804
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 3: you know, it's the sweetest thing ever. And I can't

805
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 3: look at him in the morning when I'm coming off

806
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 3: of it, and I feel a little embarrassed. You know,

807
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 3: I'm like, damn dough like it's a little hurtful. But

808
00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:25,880
Speaker 3: if you know, I really don't want to do that.

809
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: No more can I can? I can I offer an

810
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:30,400
Speaker 1: opinion to you?

811
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, what's up? Of course? Do you think I'm talking

812
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:34,319
Speaker 3: to you?

813
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: Okay? Because I was. Here's what I want to Here's

814
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: what I want to say to you, and I hope

815
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:40,919
Speaker 1: it resonates. Is that, Okay, I understand that you are

816
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:45,120
Speaker 1: You're afraid that if you go to like seek help

817
00:39:45,920 --> 00:39:50,560
Speaker 1: for this stuff, that like you're gonna get punished for it,

818
00:39:50,640 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: and like they're gonna like take already.

819
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:58,719
Speaker 3: Rehab and uh, it's an everyday battle the honey person

820
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 3: that's gonna help don't Prince's gonna help me with myself? Man?

821
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 1: Sure, But I guess what I'm stuck on is like,

822
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 1: you have a you have this therapist, but yet you

823
00:40:11,080 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 1: you don't want to talk to them about this issue.

824
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: And this sounds like something that if you're going to

825
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 1: be seeing a therapist, that you might want to talk

826
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: to them about. And I guess I'm stuck on, like, yeah, totally,

827
00:40:21,400 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: I'm I'm stuck on. I'm stuck on why you're why

828
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: you don't want to because I don't. I mean, I

829
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 1: don't fucking know. I don't think that they're gonna like,

830
00:40:29,080 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 1: I don't think they would take away your I mean,

831
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,759
Speaker 1: I fucking don't. I don't know. I'm a dude in

832
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 1: a lizard, but I I I think. Okay, here's what

833
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: I was gonna say. Here's what's gonna tell you is

834
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:47,280
Speaker 1: that if your desire is to be the best dad

835
00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: that you can be for your kid, you got you.

836
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not. I'm not putting that into into

837
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 1: in the trial. I'm not. I'm not questioning whether or

838
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: not you're a great dad.

839
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,759
Speaker 3: I'm gonna show you my pictures, my kids.

840
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,240
Speaker 1: I just just but, Gabe, I'm just saying I think

841
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,080
Speaker 1: I don't think you should be afraid of trying to

842
00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:13,840
Speaker 1: get help for this stuff. Yeah, you seem like a

843
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 1: very sweet, nice guy who cares about his kids and

844
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,760
Speaker 1: his wife. Can I can I talk to your wife?

845
00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 3: Babe? You want to talk to you? Yeah?

846
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: Wait, did you know about all this? I don't want

847
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 1: to put you on the spot because I was going

848
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: to talk about him.

849
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:36,560
Speaker 5: I didn't know about all this, okay, so it seemed

850
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 5: like a lot more hardcore than what he actually does.

851
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 4: He doesn't do it around the kids ever. He's not

852
00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 4: on it.

853
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 5: When he's like doing anything with the kids, Like this

854
00:41:49,560 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 5: is like something that he does once every maybe two

855
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 5: months or something, and then like it's the kids are

856
00:41:59,480 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 5: in bed.

857
00:42:00,680 --> 00:42:06,320
Speaker 3: Okay, hold on, hold on le forever, give me one record.

858
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 3: You're you? Really? I watch you every day I go

859
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 3: to sleep to you.

860
00:42:10,719 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: Wait, let me can I can I talk? Can I

861
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:17,600
Speaker 1: talk back to your what's your name by the way, Oh,

862
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 1: you can give me a fake name. I'm gonna call

863
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: you Veronica. Veronica, Yeah, Veronica, Well Veronica, I guess. I mean,

864
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: what do you think about all this? You seem like, uh,

865
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 1: like as I don't know, man, Gabe's heart seems to

866
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: be in the right place, and you know, you see

867
00:42:35,840 --> 00:42:39,920
Speaker 1: you're you're you're his uh you're his greatest ally in

868
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: his life. So I'm curious what you think about all this?

869
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 4: Absolutely, I mean, do I want him to stop doing

870
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 4: you know, the things that he does?

871
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 3: Yes?

872
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 4: Obviously, I mean maybe not obviously because I could be

873
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 4: you know, a person that instigates him. But I'm definitely

874
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 4: not a person that instigates him. But the fact that

875
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 4: he doesn't do it as often as he made it

876
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 4: seem like he does it is what like kind of

877
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 4: gets me because he just he made himself sound so bad.

878
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,480
Speaker 4: He is not that bad, like I said, he doesn't

879
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:22,400
Speaker 4: maybe once, you know, like in a blue moon type

880
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 4: of thing. And and and again. The kids are never

881
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:33,239
Speaker 4: around these situations. They're like asleep in bed away from.

882
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 3: Hold on. I'm sorry.

883
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 4: He has epilepsy, and he forgets a lot of things.

884
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,839
Speaker 4: So he wants to say one more thing to you. Okay, okay,

885
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 4: can you give me one second?

886
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: Sure.

887
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,719
Speaker 3: Another reason why like I want to quit too is

888
00:43:44,760 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 3: like she says, I wait like a month or two,

889
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 3: Like no, it's like a month a most because it's

890
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:54,439
Speaker 3: not it's not a go crazy. And while I while

891
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 3: I'm waiting for that month, I'm like constantly thinking about it,

892
00:43:58,360 --> 00:44:02,000
Speaker 3: like I have dreams about it, like it's crazy. It's

893
00:44:02,000 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 3: in my dreams, like it's terrible, Like I really want

894
00:44:06,680 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 3: to stop, like got me fucked up in my dreams

895
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:10,520
Speaker 3: and everything.

896
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:21,200
Speaker 1: Okay, oh hey, what's up? I mean, fuck? Fuck fuck

897
00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: fuck here? Well I mean just from talking to Gabe,

898
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 1: like again, seems like a good hearted man, but he's

899
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 1: all over He's all over the place, man.

900
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:33,160
Speaker 2: I mean, he.

901
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:36,120
Speaker 4: Definitely is, which is like one of the reasons why

902
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 4: he's you know, he's in therapy and things, and and

903
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 4: I definitely pushed him towards going to therapy so he

904
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 4: can get help. He's had a lot of trauma in

905
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:50,400
Speaker 4: his life and that you know, I won't share because

906
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:54,480
Speaker 4: it's not my story to tell, but I know that

907
00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,440
Speaker 4: it affects him and it and it, you know, uh

908
00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:04,319
Speaker 4: makes him make the decisions I he makes. And one

909
00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 4: of the main reason is because he says like I like,

910
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:10,360
Speaker 4: he doesn't want to be as calls and all these things,

911
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 4: Oh my, do you want.

912
00:45:12,280 --> 00:45:12,760
Speaker 3: Me to finish?

913
00:45:14,160 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: Hold? Let me okay, let me hold, let me finish,

914
00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: let me finish finished.

915
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 4: Wait.

916
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:21,839
Speaker 3: Wait, because she's not giving me the right information. It's

917
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:26,560
Speaker 3: not trauma. I'm a fucking pervert and I'm addicted to

918
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:35,200
Speaker 3: fucking like feeling like you know, Okay, it's not no trauma.

919
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:37,479
Speaker 4: It's I think that's why I say it's not my story.

920
00:45:37,520 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 4: It's not because I'm not in his brain. I don't

921
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:43,320
Speaker 4: know you know, like, Okay, that's why I got a

922
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 4: trauma because I don't know like why you you know,

923
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 4: these are the decisions that he makes, you know.

924
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 1: Well okay, well you know, let's let's talk about this.

925
00:45:53,120 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 1: How long have you guys been together for we've been together.

926
00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 4: It'll be five years this year.

927
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:04,319
Speaker 1: Okay, great? And hold on? And when did when did

928
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 1: you have?

929
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 3: You?

930
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:05,920
Speaker 1: You said you had your When do you give your

931
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:06,399
Speaker 1: first kid?

932
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 4: I had my first kid a year before meeting him. Okay,

933
00:46:15,320 --> 00:46:21,320
Speaker 4: with someone else, yeah, with someone else, with another person.

934
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:26,799
Speaker 4: I left him and I got kicked out of like

935
00:46:26,960 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 4: my living situation and ended up with my husband. Like

936
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,359
Speaker 4: I said, I was going to spend the weekend at

937
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 4: his house and I just never left and we got married,

938
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 4: and you know, we had our first child together. He's little.

939
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 4: What do you mean where wet?

940
00:46:46,600 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 3: We met on Facebook?

941
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: You guys?

942
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 4: We we met on Facebook, but like it was through

943
00:46:55,600 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 4: like a literal one one mutual friend that we had

944
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 4: and not a friend that either of us talked to.

945
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 4: Was just like a mutual you know, Facebook friends. And

946
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:11,000
Speaker 4: that's how our Facebook ended up, I guess, you know,

947
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 4: being being connected, but that's how we met. And like

948
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 4: we I guess we I don't know. I spilled all

949
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 4: my beans to him, all my you know, crap and

950
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 4: my own trauma. And he was like, come just I'll

951
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:36,479
Speaker 4: save you all. I'll be I'll be what you need

952
00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 4: me to be. And he has been. Absolutely He's been

953
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:43,400
Speaker 4: a super huge support system in my life. He's pushed

954
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 4: me to be a better person. I mean, I came

955
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 4: from being like this very heavy alcoholic to like, I

956
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 4: don't I mean obviously right now, I don't drink. I'm pregnant,

957
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 4: but you know, I can handle my one glass of

958
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 4: wine and I can put it, you know, put the

959
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:04,920
Speaker 4: bottle away into that, you know. And and he's helped me,

960
00:48:05,840 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 4: you know, raise my my oldest too. And and and

961
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:15,839
Speaker 4: to be honest, he's the most like doting dad I've

962
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:21,279
Speaker 4: ever met, like and seen, if that makes sense, like

963
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 4: at least in my.

964
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 3: Life, the.

965
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 4: Most doting and amazing dad, Like he loves his kids,

966
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 4: like I don't think.

967
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:33,640
Speaker 3: I don't know.

968
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 4: I don't think.

969
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:37,680
Speaker 1: We have I don't know what he's saying.

970
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:42,239
Speaker 4: Sorry, I'm going to repeat it. My situation right now

971
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:48,640
Speaker 4: is that I'm in a process, like it's just's right here, man, Okay,

972
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 4: And I don't he I'm sorry.

973
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:54,520
Speaker 3: I was sorry.

974
00:48:56,400 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 4: I don't like talking about these things, and like you don't.

975
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 1: Don't have you don't have to. I mean, look, man,

976
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,640
Speaker 1: we're on a you know, you don't have to talk

977
00:49:03,680 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 1: about any anything you don't want to.

978
00:49:06,280 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: No, we actually do.

979
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 4: These are this is like one of the things that

980
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 4: we've been dying to talk to you about. But like

981
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:18,439
Speaker 4: with my oldest I'm in a core process right now.

982
00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:26,320
Speaker 4: His like bio Dad has been involved from the beginning,

983
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 4: has not stopped being involved. But he never like it

984
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 4: was like he you know, saw him on a weekend basis,

985
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:38,920
Speaker 4: and then randomly one day he showed up like with

986
00:49:39,040 --> 00:49:42,759
Speaker 4: his girl to my place to drop off my kid

987
00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:49,560
Speaker 4: and was like, oh, like you're abusing the kid and

988
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:50,960
Speaker 4: I want him one hundred percent.

989
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:51,680
Speaker 3: And like.

990
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:56,800
Speaker 4: Bio Dad and I had always had like really great

991
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 4: communication and like this is like all you know, there's

992
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,279
Speaker 4: all like text messages, like we were we didn't really

993
00:50:03,320 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 4: call each other, and and it got to the point

994
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,840
Speaker 4: where like when it came to like drop off, we

995
00:50:08,880 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 4: would spend like an hour between me and my husband

996
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:15,840
Speaker 4: and himself just talking about whatever type of thing. Like

997
00:50:15,880 --> 00:50:17,800
Speaker 4: I just to show you that we had a really

998
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 4: we had a really good bond up until that point,

999
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden he comes out saying.

1000
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 3: That, like, oh, I'm abusing the kid.

1001
00:50:29,760 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 4: He didn't take me to core, and that was the

1002
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,800
Speaker 4: main reason why we started therapy.

1003
00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:36,440
Speaker 2: Well, that was the.

1004
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 4: Main reason why my husband had up started therapy because

1005
00:50:39,520 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 4: well I restarted therapy because I've been in therapy on

1006
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:47,480
Speaker 4: and off. So that's his main concerns with like, you know,

1007
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 4: talking to the therapist about specific areas of his you know,

1008
00:50:54,560 --> 00:50:59,799
Speaker 4: like his you know, we're in this process of the

1009
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:02,640
Speaker 4: guy trying to take my kid away from me.

1010
00:51:02,960 --> 00:51:07,240
Speaker 1: Oh, the bio dad is like being fucking weird.

1011
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, bio dad is like super weird. Like

1012
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 4: like we like my husband said, he takes the kids

1013
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:17,799
Speaker 4: to school, he picks him up from school. If you

1014
00:51:17,840 --> 00:51:19,840
Speaker 4: see the amount of homework that we do, like I

1015
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 4: basically I basically like he does school work and homework,

1016
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 4: and then I basically homeschool him afterwards. Like we do

1017
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 4: a lot of like educational things in my household.

1018
00:51:36,520 --> 00:51:47,360
Speaker 1: Let's listen, Veronica, let me I think, Okay, I think look, man,

1019
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 1: I'm uh i uh, I think this situation might have

1020
00:51:57,120 --> 00:51:59,759
Speaker 1: gone a little bit over my my pay grade here,

1021
00:51:59,840 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 1: but I do want to say, but I do want

1022
00:52:02,120 --> 00:52:04,399
Speaker 1: to say just from my own opinion, because you guys

1023
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:08,600
Speaker 1: are uh, you know. I I appreciate that you guys

1024
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 1: have been, you know, willing to talk about all of

1025
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:13,720
Speaker 1: this stuff. I just want to say, from my own opinion,

1026
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: I believe from talking to both of you that both

1027
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 1: of you have a a a strong desire to be

1028
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: good parents and and be good good people. I believe that,

1029
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: like sincerely, from from both of you guys, and I

1030
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: just want to say that I hope that you know

1031
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,080
Speaker 1: you're both able to get the help that you need.

1032
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:41,919
Speaker 1: I don't I have no idea if it's a good

1033
00:52:41,920 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 1: idea for for your husband to be hanging out at

1034
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,520
Speaker 1: the bar with this therapist. I have no fucking idea.

1035
00:52:49,560 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: But he I hope both of you are able to

1036
00:52:51,560 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: like okay, but I hope both of you are able

1037
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 1: to like find the help that you need. And and

1038
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 1: I would suggest you know, even and if you're afraid,

1039
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: I would suggest talking to your therapist about all this

1040
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:05,680
Speaker 1: different stuff, because I believe if you guys do go

1041
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: out and get help, that you'll be able to get

1042
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: over these like issues that are are you know, in

1043
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: the way of your your guys is happiness. But but

1044
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,600
Speaker 1: I I I I, God damn it, I believe in

1045
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: both of your good intentions, you know. So I'll say

1046
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:27,480
Speaker 1: that that's that's the main thing I wanted to.

1047
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 3: Talk to me.

1048
00:53:30,560 --> 00:53:33,440
Speaker 1: I I I kind of, I will say, Gabe, I

1049
00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:34,719
Speaker 1: kind of I kind of want to leave it at

1050
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:36,239
Speaker 1: that because I think I'm getting a little bit too

1051
00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,440
Speaker 1: it over my head here. But is there is there

1052
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 1: anything else that? And also I'll say, let me let me,

1053
00:53:42,600 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 1: let me come say hi in Miami. Man. We can

1054
00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: we can, we can talk, Okay? Cool? Is there anything

1055
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 1: else you want to say to the people of the

1056
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 1: computer before.

1057
00:53:55,040 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 4: Chat? It was good?

1058
00:53:56,800 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 3: Uh? I hope you guys fuck with me. Hopefully my

1059
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:04,920
Speaker 3: dreams come true and I might start streaming. Not that

1060
00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 3: that's pretty much. It help everybody in the chat as

1061
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:11,399
Speaker 3: a bluss day and you know, and the dreams come

1062
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,080
Speaker 3: true and they can be happy with their lives.

1063
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 1: Thanks Gabe, and thank you Veronic. I appreciate you guys,

1064
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: and good luck to you Veronica. Yeah alright, man, I

1065
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: don't know, man. Yeah, that was that that that did

1066
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:29,040
Speaker 1: get a little bit over my over my pay grade

1067
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:31,640
Speaker 1: for a second. But I met, I met everything. I

1068
00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: fucking met what every everything that I said. I believed

1069
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: both of them. Uh that like they they love their

1070
00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:46,799
Speaker 1: children and that they like are are good people with

1071
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: good intentions. And I understand, I guess I understand where

1072
00:54:50,200 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 1: this dude's like fear is coming from from, like talking

1073
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: to a motherfucker about like all this stuff. But I mean,

1074
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:05,399
Speaker 1: got you gotta, you know you gotta. I'm sure I'll

1075
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:08,440
Speaker 1: see him in Miami. It'll be I'm so I'm so

1076
00:55:08,680 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 1: curious if if he actually shows up with his therapist

1077
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:15,480
Speaker 1: and there's gonna be a moment where I'm just standing

1078
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: with this dude and his therapist and being like, what's

1079
00:55:18,120 --> 00:55:25,560
Speaker 1: going on? Man? But yeah, uh good, uh good, good

1080
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 1: luck to both of those guys, and uh good luck

1081
00:55:28,680 --> 00:55:30,759
Speaker 1: to the children, good luck to all the children of

1082
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 1: the world. And uh, I think I think that's it

1083
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 1: really goes on.

1084
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:41,719
Speaker 4: The line thinking phone calls every night.

1085
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:45,759
Speaker 1: Everything goes to his teaching you in the mid of

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Speaker 1: your life.

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Speaker 4: But he's not really an expert