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Speaker 1: Still the Place with Laura Layton, Courtney Thorne Smith.

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Speaker 2: And Daphne's Aniga and iHeartRadio podcast. Hello ladies, Hi you guys.

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Speaker 3: Happy Melrose Minute, Happy Melrose Minute.

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Speaker 2: Day. Like to do these once a week or so,

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Speaker 2: and yeah, for this one, I posted a picture on

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Speaker 2: Instagram and our producer over at iHeart noticed what feedback

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Speaker 2: at god and I got more comments on that than

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Speaker 2: almost anything else I've posted. I couldn't even reply to

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Speaker 2: all of them.

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Speaker 3: But it was a post.

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Speaker 2: I was going through my garage and sorting through old

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Speaker 2: pictures and things and boxes, and I found an old

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Speaker 2: photo from a photo shoot for a magazine and it was,

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Speaker 2: you know, in red that red pen crayon pen the

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Speaker 2: marks where they were going to smooth fix, take out things,

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Speaker 2: you know, and it was really the image of it was,

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Speaker 2: uh it took. It was really startling just to see that,

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Speaker 2: Like for me, as I found it, I was like wow,

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Speaker 2: I mean wow, you know, and it's a normal process

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Speaker 2: that photographers and editors do for their magazines and things.

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Speaker 2: And of course our culture today is completely used to

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Speaker 2: photoshops and filters and smoothing and all of that. But

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Speaker 2: a lot of the comments I got were you know,

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Speaker 2: you know, you didn't need it and things and uh,

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Speaker 2: but they did it anyway. A lot of this seemed

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Speaker 2: to be on the hair, but there were things about

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Speaker 2: the face smoothed this out and smooth that. So I

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Speaker 2: think we just wanted to bring up like our experiences

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Speaker 2: with different photoshoots and how it makes us feel.

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Speaker 3: Maybe.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's also sort of crazy that you have that

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Speaker 4: daph with like that. I'm assuming they're the photographer's markings.

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Speaker 4: They're not probably yours or your representatives or somebody like

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Speaker 4: on the photography side saying oh this needs to be

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Speaker 4: fixed or whatever. But somehow that version ended up in

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Speaker 4: your hands, like you get to see behind that sort

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Speaker 4: of curtain of what they wanted to fix of that photo.

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Speaker 4: And I just think that's an unusual look for you

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Speaker 4: to be able to see it, and that's exceptional and shocking.

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Speaker 1: It's it's normally to do it behind the scenes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't have to know about it. And also you

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Speaker 1: made a point in your post that it was for

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Speaker 1: a natural photo shoot, like it was kind of you

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Speaker 1: on the beach being natural. It wasn't like it was

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Speaker 1: high glamour so to go in and fix or something

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Speaker 1: like that. It's fascinating. I know, so we don't look

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Speaker 1: like our photos.

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Speaker 3: I was starting.

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Speaker 1: I was laughing with a girlfriend the other day because

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Speaker 1: and so it's funny that you talk about this right now.

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Speaker 1: So many years ago I had a contract with Alme Cosmetics,

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Speaker 1: and I was on a girl's trip in Palm Springs

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Speaker 1: and we walked into a CVS and there was this

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Speaker 1: big display of my all may Ad, and my girlfriend's like, wow,

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Speaker 1: that's amazing. You look so beautiful, be beat. I would

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Speaker 1: not have recognized you. That doesn't look like you at all.

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Speaker 1: That I would not have known that, Like I know,

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Speaker 1: I kept saying it. I mean, honestly, I wouldn't even know.

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Speaker 1: It was like that person is beautiful, doesn't look at

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Speaker 3: It was so strange as it was.

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Speaker 1: It was like it was it was almost like a

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Speaker 1: CGI version of me. They did so much air brushing.

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Speaker 3: It was a completely smoothed.

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Speaker 1: Out version with no expression lines, as if expression lines

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Speaker 1: are something to be ashamed of.

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Speaker 4: Well, it's so interesting like that a skincare, you know,

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Speaker 4: like is there. That's what they're trying to sell, is

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Speaker 4: like it will make you absolutely flawless and an unattainable, flawless, unreal.

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Speaker 2: And we don't know if the product that they're selling

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Speaker 2: and asking you to buy does a damn thing because

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Speaker 2: you don't come with photoshop and you're not a two

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Speaker 2: dimensional thing in a magazine or you know, pictures standing there.

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Speaker 2: So will that they had all this, you know, fixed

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Speaker 2: it up with them with tricks. That's how they fixed

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Speaker 1: I can't even imagine what they did because literally you'd

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Speaker 3: Go, wouldn't I wouldn't have recognized me.

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Speaker 1: It didn't look like me, like they hire me to

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Speaker 1: doesn't even look like me anymore. So I guess they

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Speaker 4: Well don't you think that's sort of upsetting to know

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Speaker 4: that everybody has that technology now on their phones and

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Speaker 3: To go we all do.

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Speaker 4: I want to look different than they actually do, and

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Speaker 4: I can do that for every picture that I share, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: so interesting that because you can, you will and well.

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Speaker 2: You have to keep up because now the environment is

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Speaker 2: if you're the only person that doesn't, you will stand out.

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Speaker 2: I will I smooth things like age spots and things, know,

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Speaker 2: because if I don't. I So I posted that and

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Speaker 2: then I remember I was also smoothing something like after that,

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Speaker 2: and I was like, it's for an actress. It's especially

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Speaker 2: it's such a dichotomy. It's the two sides of one coin.

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Speaker 2: Because I don't want to be I still want to

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Speaker 2: youthful and beautiful. But the but also the tragedy is

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Speaker 2: just not real. So they're either going to fix it

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Speaker 3: You'll fix it.

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Speaker 2: You have to because you will look totally alien if

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Speaker 4: Did you guys see substance?

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Speaker 3: Yes? I haven't.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Well oh so hard to watch but incredible. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: But like the whole idea that like just not being

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Speaker 4: speaking of alien, I mean, ends her life over this

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Speaker 4: but also like just that the Oscars just passed right,

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Speaker 4: Like we have all these actors going on red carpets

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Speaker 4: where you can't like retite and like that pressure to

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Speaker 4: have everything be flawless. But it's live, and you know

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Speaker 4: that that is such a different than photography, like just

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Speaker 4: because you can in photography. I guess that's that's why

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Speaker 4: it's done. It's like, oh, I mean, we're trying to

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Speaker 2: You know, well they do another organized everyone's scrutinized. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I just feel like we have to have all admit

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Speaker 2: and I just think it's interesting how we all, in

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Speaker 2: because you're saying, you're showing what the pressure is that

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Speaker 1: Do you remember when Jamie Lee Curtis did that thing,

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Speaker 4: She and pam Anderson just had you know, that whole

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Speaker 4: they did that movie together in Pamela Anderson did the

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Speaker 4: same sort of thing the Last Show Girl, and you

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Speaker 4: know she's she went on a red carpet without makeup.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she still does. I really admire that. That's just

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Speaker 4: Empowered to you know, say this is the truth and

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Speaker 1: The girlfriend of mine just turned sixty and someone said,

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Speaker 1: It's a privilege to be sixty. A lot of people

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Speaker 1: what we believe or not, like I am. We were

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Speaker 1: I keep saying, Alison seems so mean and intense, but

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Speaker 1: lighter now. I am so much happier now. My life

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Speaker 1: feels so much better to me. I really do wear

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Speaker 3: Have looked better to society.

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Speaker 1: I feel so much better now, and that's really important

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Speaker 1: Cause like you have to as you get older, start

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think just to have the tools to

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Speaker 2: And when and how, and you know, because every situation

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Speaker 2: And I love what Pam Anderson's doing. It's so lovely

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Speaker 2: To be that caricature that she was that she now

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Speaker 3: It's like, oh, that's so cool.

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Speaker 2: And it makes gives you permission in your mind to

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Speaker 2: it's so cool that Dolly Pardon is exactly who she

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Speaker 2: don't all have to look the same and do nothing,

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Speaker 1: But that's also that's our stuff, Like we don't have

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Speaker 1: Now we're in the public eye, it adds another element,

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Speaker 3: And I just think that's right. That's a constant.

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Speaker 1: And again, like I want to look good, I put time,

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Speaker 4: And also your post daff was a reminder to everyone,

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Speaker 1: Well, and yeah, as to the point you guys made earlier,

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Speaker 1: That's why we love when go photo what is it called,

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Speaker 1: we love it because it's an acknowledgment of this isn't real,

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Speaker 1: Like everybody's doing it.

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Speaker 1: I agree with you, Laura, especially for young women to

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Speaker 1: We had magazines, they have it. We'd had to pick

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Speaker 2: I think the key that you said, Courtney is and

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Speaker 3: It's being creative.

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Speaker 2: It's like Emma Thompson said, any moment and we're talking

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Speaker 2: this and all the things I do that you're not

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Speaker 2: And I feel like the more creative I am, like

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Speaker 1: because I'm in my crative mode, Laura, nor did I shower,

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Speaker 1: But totally I'm not presenting anything. I'm actually living in

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Speaker 2: Say creative women, I say, and young people, young girls,

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Speaker 2: because this world gives men more encouragement to be creative,

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Speaker 2: Like what have you done? What do you got her?

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Speaker 2: Pitch us, let's see if we want to buy it?

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Speaker 2: And women, I just kind of need to put their

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Speaker 1: Don't let your creativity be what you can do to

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Speaker 4: And on that note, yes, I love you ladies, I

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Speaker 4: love you guys, love God and favorite people. Yeah, I

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Speaker 4: always going to see you soon