WEBVTT - QB Island Casting Call + Training Camp Begins! 

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<v Speaker 1>Do you throw touchdowns and avoid costly turnovers? Can you

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<v Speaker 1>scramble out of the pocket away from Miles Garrett Sack

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<v Speaker 1>or look off Patrick sirtanas he drops into coverage. Then

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<v Speaker 1>Quarterback Island is looking for you. Join the likes of

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<v Speaker 1>NFL MVPs like Matthew Stafford, Hey dazzling darts from Matthew Stafford.

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<v Speaker 2>And Josh Allen. Allen looking for the exile and he's in.

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<v Speaker 2>The piece has been related.

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<v Speaker 1>As you defined the quarterback position during the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 1>six NFL season. Can you lead your team on a

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<v Speaker 1>game winning drive as time expires? Then Quarterback Island is

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<v Speaker 1>looking for you. Dak Prescott touchdown?

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<v Speaker 2>Fuckap the touchdown Pestack. He made the island.

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<v Speaker 1>Caleb Williams, My goodness, do I spid get it for

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<v Speaker 1>the fourth time he made the Island. Get over that

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<v Speaker 1>late season collapse, Baker, Bob, and send in your resume

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<v Speaker 1>for Quarterback Island Today, Quarterback Island is characterizing it a

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<v Speaker 1>non ranked, anialistic way of the players who define with

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<v Speaker 1>playing quarterback in.

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<v Speaker 2>Well done.

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<v Speaker 3>We are here, yes on Quarterback Island, But this isn't

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<v Speaker 3>a regular Quarterback Island episode. This is the first ever

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<v Speaker 3>episode of the Quarterback Island spinoff, Quarterback Island Casting Call.

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<v Speaker 4>Great job there.

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<v Speaker 3>By our producer Eric Roberts, surprising us with a new

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<v Speaker 3>intro and Yes, Jordan from the mind of QB Island.

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<v Speaker 3>Jordan Rodrigue, executive producer, comes QB Island Casting Call as

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<v Speaker 3>we take a longer look at some gentleman who might

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<v Speaker 3>earn a spot on Quarterback Island this year.

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<v Speaker 5>I'm so happy right now that we heard that cold.

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<v Speaker 5>I kept trying to get Eric to let me listen

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<v Speaker 5>to it early because I was so excited about it.

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<v Speaker 5>That was everything and more. Shout out to Randy.

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<v Speaker 4>I called in a favor and he crushed it. He

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<v Speaker 4>sent me a couple of takes. I'm might have to

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<v Speaker 4>send out takes out so he could be a voiceover artist.

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<v Speaker 3>I should have mentioned Jordan Rodriguez with me and QB

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<v Speaker 3>Island regular, although he hasn't been in the Chris Westling

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<v Speaker 3>podcast studio in a while.

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<v Speaker 4>NFL Networks own Steve Weiss here.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so glad to be here, but I also want

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<v Speaker 2>to see what type of rules you guys are going

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<v Speaker 2>to create and later bend Oh for the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>six QBI.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, first and foremost, I do want to shout out

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<v Speaker 5>to Dalton Ross a beat report. I call him a

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<v Speaker 5>survivor beat reporter over at Entertainment Weekly. He obviously does

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<v Speaker 5>much more than that. He actually has been talking to

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<v Speaker 5>me about Quarterback Island all year. He's a reality TV

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<v Speaker 5>show expert, right, He's been messaging me about Quarterback Island.

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<v Speaker 5>Loves the show, and he gave me the idea for

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<v Speaker 5>Quarterback Island cast and call as the newest in the

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<v Speaker 5>family of quarterback guys.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, when you got a cash cow, you got a

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<v Speaker 3>milk it, you know. Yeah, As that intro referred to

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<v Speaker 3>quarterback Island is the place that defines the quarter position

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<v Speaker 3>what eight quarterbacks at the end of last season defined

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<v Speaker 3>the quarterback position. Traditionally we start the season with twelve.

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<v Speaker 3>We will have that first episode for the twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 3>sixth season in about a month, maybe a week two

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<v Speaker 3>weeks before the NFL regular season starts. But for this episode,

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<v Speaker 3>we wanted to introduce some characters, some possibilities of guys

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<v Speaker 3>who could be considered then who could make it onto

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<v Speaker 3>the island eventually. And it did refer to some of

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<v Speaker 3>the gentlemen who would not be eligible to be talked

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<v Speaker 3>about today because they finished last season on the island.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, Trevor Lawrence with a

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<v Speaker 3>big closing pick, Drake may Dak Prescott brock Purty who

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<v Speaker 3>played well at the end of last season, Matthew Stafford,

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<v Speaker 3>and Caleb Williams. And you'll notice some big names who

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<v Speaker 3>were hurt late last year not on the list, and

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<v Speaker 3>maybe we'll talk about them today in this casting called Steve.

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<v Speaker 3>It is awesome having you back. You're wearing your black

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<v Speaker 3>College Hall of Fame classic shirt. I know we'll be

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<v Speaker 3>seeing you on NFL Network throughout training camp and at

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<v Speaker 3>Canton for the Hall of Fame game and all the

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<v Speaker 3>Hall of Fame festivities. Got you in the studio now

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<v Speaker 3>this is this is your other home, and I want

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<v Speaker 3>you to get us going with your first nominee for anything.

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<v Speaker 2>You know this is obvious based on my trumpet, I

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<v Speaker 2>think player last year and it's actually where I'll be

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<v Speaker 2>starting inside training camp in Denver. Bo Knicks. Bo Knicks

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<v Speaker 2>is coming back now. He had the ankle injury that

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<v Speaker 2>he suffered late last year. He's had two procedures to

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<v Speaker 2>get it done, but they're expecting him to be ready

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<v Speaker 2>to start Week one against the Kansas City Chiefs. But

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<v Speaker 2>bow Knicks not only does he have a new play

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<v Speaker 2>caller and Davis Webb Sean Payton's gonna take a step

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<v Speaker 2>back for now. I don't know how long this is

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<v Speaker 2>gonna last. But Davis Webb has been his old position coach, right,

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<v Speaker 2>so they've got this relationships, going to be his play

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<v Speaker 2>designer and play caller. But they went on. They got

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<v Speaker 2>him Jaylen Waddle. They got him a speed burner on

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<v Speaker 2>the outside to pair with Courtland Sutton. And I know

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<v Speaker 2>you like analytics and stats, and here's one thing about

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<v Speaker 2>the Denver Broncos. Since twenty twenty four, they have led

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<v Speaker 2>the ball and led the league in throws of more

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<v Speaker 2>than twenty yards air yards. And now you get a

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<v Speaker 2>burner like Jayalen Watt. We think he's so much of

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<v Speaker 2>a catch and run guy. Now he can go, It's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna clear things up underneath for the other guys. I

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<v Speaker 2>think this offense is gonna be far more fluid. It's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna run just because they've got that outside speed threat

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<v Speaker 2>who's incredibly reliable, can run the whole tree. It's gonna

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<v Speaker 2>how about my guy bon Nick, especially when he breaks

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<v Speaker 2>the huddle.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, as someone who's wanted him on Quarterback Island in

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<v Speaker 3>the past and is bringing him up here. It's just

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<v Speaker 3>as a guy that that could be cast during this season.

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<v Speaker 3>He is entering his third season, but he will be turning,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, twenty seven right after the season ends, so.

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<v Speaker 4>He's older than dirt. He No, that's Greg's monologue.

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<v Speaker 3>He has thrown a lot of those plus twenty yard

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<v Speaker 3>passes just because he's thrown a lot of passes period.

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<v Speaker 2>He led the league actually in pattempts.

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<v Speaker 4>It was very pass heavy.

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<v Speaker 3>What what do you as a bow Knicks believer, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I think he needs to develop to convince maybe some

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<v Speaker 3>of the doubters of like myself out there, that he

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<v Speaker 3>deserves to be on there.

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<v Speaker 4>What has he got to get better out Pintilly.

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<v Speaker 2>He's got some of the Caleb Williams in him, like

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<v Speaker 2>early in games, figuring it out. He's got to come

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<v Speaker 2>into games live bit earlier and hit things on schedule,

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<v Speaker 2>make this offense click a little bit more smoothly, so

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<v Speaker 2>he doesn't have to come in with those late game

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<v Speaker 2>heroics like he often does. I mean, you go fourteen

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<v Speaker 2>and three. A lot of it's because he was great

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<v Speaker 2>in the fourth quarter, so again being on schedule early,

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<v Speaker 2>getting this offense on time, and that's where I think

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<v Speaker 2>again Wadda will help out. He's got somebody to do

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<v Speaker 2>the timing routes. They can go the long routes and

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<v Speaker 2>that's going to open up a lot more opportunities for

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<v Speaker 2>the other receivers.

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<v Speaker 5>One of the things that Davis Webb is supposed to

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<v Speaker 5>help with remains to be seen because we don't know yet.

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<v Speaker 5>He's calling plays really for the first time. Probably hard

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<v Speaker 5>to do it with Sean Payton, like still actively in

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<v Speaker 5>your ear as you're doing it, but getting the play

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<v Speaker 5>call in faster that's going to be really important. And

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<v Speaker 5>it sort of sets up to what you're talking about, Steve,

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<v Speaker 5>which is what I think of Bonnicks, and that is

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<v Speaker 5>presented with the opportunity some development obviously over the last

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<v Speaker 5>couple of years. He's a really clean canvas for you

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<v Speaker 5>if you're an offensive designer, if you're an offensive play caller,

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<v Speaker 5>if you want to get the play in quickly, if

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<v Speaker 5>you want to play different tempos, if you want to

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<v Speaker 5>get the ball stretched the field, but also really move

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<v Speaker 5>the quick game. He can be clean. He's been streaky,

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<v Speaker 5>but he can be clean. And he's sort of one

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<v Speaker 5>of those clean canvas type players where you can do

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<v Speaker 5>a lot of different things based on what he can

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<v Speaker 5>do and the way that he can protect the football

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<v Speaker 5>when he's doing it well. That combines with Jalen Wattle

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<v Speaker 5>in a big way, who I think, yes, is going

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<v Speaker 5>to stretch the field, but I think going to be

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<v Speaker 5>a little bit of a move player for the two

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<v Speaker 5>and I think that's really important because you're building complexity

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<v Speaker 5>around the quarterback and all you want the quarterback to

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<v Speaker 5>do is continue to be that clean canvas, get the

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<v Speaker 5>ball where it needs to be, not point guard necessarily

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<v Speaker 5>because we know he can extend plays, but to almost

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<v Speaker 5>raise what the level of artistry is within that offense.

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<v Speaker 3>Overall, I think his reputation coming into the NFL has

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<v Speaker 3>not been what I've seen on the field, and that

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<v Speaker 3>makes him a.

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<v Speaker 4>Interesting player to watch.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think he did change from his first year

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<v Speaker 3>to his second year, and it was just more of everything,

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<v Speaker 3>like more mistakes, more big plays. I think he's a

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<v Speaker 3>better athlete and a bigger playmaker than we really expected.

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<v Speaker 4>You mentioned the deep throws.

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<v Speaker 3>He was third in design runs among all quarterbacks last year.

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<v Speaker 3>Like he's close to like Jalen Hurts and some of

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<v Speaker 3>those guys, and he obviously got hurt on one of them,

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<v Speaker 3>just the unfortunate play that he's now had a couple

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<v Speaker 3>follow up surgery, So that's a bit of a concern

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<v Speaker 3>because he is a guy who specializes in throwing on

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<v Speaker 3>the move, so his athleticism really matters. But one thing

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<v Speaker 3>I definitely noticed kind of picking through his numbers was

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<v Speaker 3>and I think it speaks to a guy who the

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<v Speaker 3>highs were really high, but it wasn't that consistent.

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<v Speaker 4>You were talking about the slow starts.

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<v Speaker 3>The game, but then he finished awesome, Like that Bill's

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<v Speaker 3>game in the playoffs mostly great. They were the one

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<v Speaker 3>seed and everything, but there were even ups and downs

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<v Speaker 3>in that game. And if you kind of look at

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<v Speaker 3>his turnover worthy play percentage his big throw percent it

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<v Speaker 3>was both way higher last year, so I think he.

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<v Speaker 4>Was doing more. He's giving you a little more flash.

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<v Speaker 3>But when it all averaged out and you look at

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<v Speaker 3>kind of all the DVOA and success rate and EPA,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's all kind of landed in the middle.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's why I think.

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<v Speaker 3>Broncos fans are unhappy with some of us who look

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<v Speaker 3>at those numbers and say, like, yeah, a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>it was exciting, but it call kind of added up

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<v Speaker 3>to a mid level quarterback, and how can he be

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<v Speaker 3>a little more consistent.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's well and again, and Jodan made a

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<v Speaker 2>great point like maybe getting the plays in quicker. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>Sean Payton is very bit every play there's a new

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<v Speaker 2>personal group on the field. I mean sometimes that takes

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<v Speaker 2>time and sometimes young quarterback, you're hearing the play call. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm seeing a full back tide and weight pull them back.

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<v Speaker 2>I just try to change my mind. If they getting

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<v Speaker 2>a Jalen Waddle, a guy who can move, you may

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<v Speaker 2>not have to change your personal packages. Maybe you change

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<v Speaker 2>him with the groupings. But that's something that can clean

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<v Speaker 2>it up a little bit. And I think that could

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<v Speaker 2>help Apo Nixon.

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<v Speaker 5>I think he can he can hit the areas of

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<v Speaker 5>spacing on the field downfield, and also the way he

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<v Speaker 5>can extend or create as a runner. Like you, you

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<v Speaker 5>know that he can capitalize on the spacing that you

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<v Speaker 5>want to extrapolate, like you want to make sure you're

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<v Speaker 5>It's like I look at it like when you're a designer,

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<v Speaker 5>you're painting and you're trying to just target all of

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<v Speaker 5>the voids that you know are going to be there. Well,

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<v Speaker 5>he can use those areas, he can hit those throws.

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<v Speaker 5>It's just getting players there, getting the communication and sync.

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<v Speaker 5>The protections are really complicated to effective, but complicated to

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<v Speaker 5>make sure that everything is happening a lot faster earlier

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<v Speaker 5>in the play clock and then and then and then

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<v Speaker 5>giving more dimension. And I think that will just really

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<v Speaker 5>really lift what we've seen from him already.

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<v Speaker 3>They've talked about it, you guys have already mentioned it now,

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<v Speaker 3>like the up tempo, little up tempo, a little more spread.

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<v Speaker 3>That sounds to me like what he could be really

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<v Speaker 3>good at. And that if you're looking at the way

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<v Speaker 3>defenses are playing now, seems like maybe the next step

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<v Speaker 3>of how offenses counteract like the trends of defense and

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<v Speaker 3>Bonus being particularly suited to do that. But like I said,

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<v Speaker 3>like he has these little the little problems in his games,

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<v Speaker 3>Like he threw the less to the middle of the

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<v Speaker 3>field than any quarterback in the in the NFL last year.

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<v Speaker 3>I think, according to Dvoa was like his numbers to

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<v Speaker 3>the middle of the field were like way down. But

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<v Speaker 3>I think he could be good with the spread him out.

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<v Speaker 2>And that's like, yeah, that's because he comes he leaves

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<v Speaker 2>that pocket pretty quick. Maybe you know Sean's gonna get

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<v Speaker 2>him or Davis web will get him that PoCA League,

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<v Speaker 2>But you don't want to take that running ability away

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<v Speaker 2>from him.

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<v Speaker 3>I still view him as a young player in third year,

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<v Speaker 3>like he still has room to grow. And in that

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<v Speaker 3>playoff game, man, his great games were really great. That

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<v Speaker 3>Packers game, really both Chiefs games. It was just a

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<v Speaker 3>little more up and down I think then Broncos fans want.

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<v Speaker 3>And so we'll see if the consistency come work.

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<v Speaker 2>Fourteen and three, I'm okay, I'll take it. Okay, made

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<v Speaker 2>it to the AFC Championship Game.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm going to nominate someone here, all right, getting that

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<v Speaker 3>casting call. And he was a man who did finish

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<v Speaker 3>the year on quarterback Island two years ago as a rookie,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's Jayden Daniels coming off his supporting star role

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<v Speaker 3>in quarterback, which we could get to maybe as part

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<v Speaker 3>of this conversation. Look, I did not expect him to

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<v Speaker 3>be one of the most accurate quarterbacks in the NFL,

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<v Speaker 3>based on his college tape, and yet that has been

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<v Speaker 3>who he's been as a pro. Wasn't quite as sharp

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<v Speaker 3>last year, but the accuracy is there. So if you're

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<v Speaker 3>telling me you have a young player who is accurate,

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<v Speaker 3>is athletic, is excellent in terms of decision making, I

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<v Speaker 3>believe overall, and has natural pocket movement in the pocket.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a player that you can work with.

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<v Speaker 3>And yet he was not the same player overall last season,

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<v Speaker 3>even when he played. And so I went back and

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to watch some of that film from a

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<v Speaker 3>year ago, because I do think it's gotten a little

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<v Speaker 3>lost in all the injuries that Okay, well, he wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>hurt those first two games, and they were a little

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<v Speaker 3>uneven when you go back, especially that second week against

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<v Speaker 3>the Packers, he was taken a long time to get

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<v Speaker 3>rid of the ball. There's a lot of reasons why

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<v Speaker 3>this could have happened, but he just wasn't comfortable last

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<v Speaker 3>season in that Cliff Kingsbury offense. He's running a lot,

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<v Speaker 3>he's getting hurt a lot. That's obviously a big concern,

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<v Speaker 3>and yet I love the intangibles so much that he

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<v Speaker 3>seems like a young man and I hate to bet

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<v Speaker 3>on the intangles. But he seems like someone that is

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<v Speaker 3>going to figure out the problems that he has faced

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<v Speaker 3>so far as a pro and learn how to move forward.

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<v Speaker 3>But is he Is he that rookie quarterback or is

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<v Speaker 3>he the guy in his second year that frankly wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>that much more effective than Marcus Mariota. They didn't really

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<v Speaker 3>get any worse or better when Mariota was in there

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<v Speaker 3>versus Daniels a year ago.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and I definitely remember those couple of games because

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<v Speaker 5>I had them for our recap shows and Commanders fans

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<v Speaker 5>were very mad at me for pointing out that he

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<v Speaker 5>did not look the same and he did not look comfortable,

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<v Speaker 5>and that, I think, to your point, greg is is

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<v Speaker 5>something that we have to consider in his pool of

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<v Speaker 5>data here, even if it's incomplete, because that was a

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<v Speaker 5>little bit of a second year slump, a sophomore slump

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<v Speaker 5>for the quarterback. But I think being in and being

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<v Speaker 5>out as long as he was, and watching what worked

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<v Speaker 5>and watching what didn't work in this case, because he's

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<v Speaker 5>so young and because there's still so much football left

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<v Speaker 5>in front of him, could be beneficial to him having

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<v Speaker 5>things slow down. Not being the one who has to

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<v Speaker 5>create everything, understanding how he can create and lift everyone

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<v Speaker 5>in certain points, but then trusting kind of what he

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<v Speaker 5>sees and what he's given, not having to do the

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<v Speaker 5>out of structure superstar stuff as much maybe, but also

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<v Speaker 5>doing it when it's like time to hit that power

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<v Speaker 5>button or whatever. And I think that David Blough, that's

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<v Speaker 5>part of the reason why he's the offensive coordinator. There

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<v Speaker 5>now kind of a mystery bag with him. We remember

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<v Speaker 5>him as a quarterback and I remember the old show

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<v Speaker 5>The Blowhards, right, Yeah, that was the fan the fan base,

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<v Speaker 5>and but he's he's a little bit of a mystery bag.

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<v Speaker 5>But we do know is that he was in collaboration

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<v Speaker 5>with Cliff Kingsbury and Anthony Lynn during those that first

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<v Speaker 5>rookie season of Jane and Daniels. We know that he's

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<v Speaker 5>someone that the organization thinks very very highly of. For

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<v Speaker 5>I'd like to see the table set for Jade and

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<v Speaker 5>Daniels in a way that really accentuates his superpowers while

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<v Speaker 5>not frazzling him. And that's going to depend on the

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<v Speaker 5>line and also the receivers group, which I'm still not

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<v Speaker 5>really sure.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, and that's the thing, I mean, think about what

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<v Speaker 2>he didn't look great early on last season. Right, they

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<v Speaker 2>were trying to incorporate Deebo Samuel into that offense. That's

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<v Speaker 2>a player Cliff Kingsbury really doesn't well.

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<v Speaker 5>They were sending him on go.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean they're just doing and look, i mean,

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<v Speaker 2>let's and you know there's talking defensive coordinators Cliff Kingsbury's offense.

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<v Speaker 2>After a while, you kind of know what they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to try to do. Even when you got a wildcard

0:15:35.360 --> 0:15:38.280
<v Speaker 2>quarterback like him, So they couldn't figure out the running

0:15:38.280 --> 0:15:41.160
<v Speaker 2>back situation the old line was getting. There was this

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<v Speaker 2>instability across the board, including Jade Daniels. It's not playing well.

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<v Speaker 2>It just didn't seem right. That's gonna be fixed because

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<v Speaker 2>dan Quinn knows he's in kind of a big make

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<v Speaker 2>or break here. However, what's their tight end situation?

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<v Speaker 5>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>And they were a heavy tight end team when he

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<v Speaker 2>was you know the zach Ertz stuff. You know, when

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<v Speaker 2>Jane dan is playing well, you got Terry mcluurin. But

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<v Speaker 2>what are you working with again? It brought Diami roundback.

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<v Speaker 2>That's good. That's somebody that Jane Daniels really played well with.

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<v Speaker 2>They've got some type of relationship. I think the offensive

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<v Speaker 2>line is absolutely going to be better.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, He's going to have to elevate a receiver position

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<v Speaker 3>we talked about on our position battles that is among

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<v Speaker 3>the sketchiest in the league after Terry mclautin. Now McLaurin

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<v Speaker 3>being healthy would help a lot, because there are games

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm watching this tape and it's like it's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of Jalen Lane.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, you know, it's Luke McCaffrey.

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<v Speaker 3>They did bring in Chicka Conquest, so you add him

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<v Speaker 3>and John Bates, who's a good blocking tight end. That

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<v Speaker 3>could be a good tight end position. But I'm trying

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<v Speaker 3>to even remove the you know, the the situation around

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<v Speaker 3>him and thinking about what Daniels needs to do and

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<v Speaker 3>what he needs to do more than anything is avoid sacks.

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<v Speaker 3>He has been one of the worst quarterbacks in the

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<v Speaker 3>league both years in terms of the sacks that he

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<v Speaker 3>is taking and his It's one thing if you're Lamar

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<v Speaker 3>Jackson and you're avoiding these big hits, but running the

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<v Speaker 3>ball eight to ten times a game, which he has

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<v Speaker 3>done both years, it really didn't change.

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<v Speaker 2>He gets hit and he doesn't avoid the bit.

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<v Speaker 3>He doesn't necessarily avoid it, like the the second injury

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<v Speaker 3>that he had, and to review, he plays two games,

0:17:10.119 --> 0:17:14.000
<v Speaker 3>hurts his knee, comebacks after a couple of games, and

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<v Speaker 3>then hurts his hamstring, come comes back a game after

0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:22.120
<v Speaker 3>that and dislocated his elbow or hurt his elbow, which

0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:25.439
<v Speaker 3>that's just bad luck. Missus four games, comes back and

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<v Speaker 3>then gets thrown on the ground on a pick six

0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:31.480
<v Speaker 3>and hurts his elbow again, and that was it for

0:17:31.520 --> 0:17:33.680
<v Speaker 3>the season. But those last couple of games that he played,

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<v Speaker 3>which were against the Seahawks and the Vikings, were eye

0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:39.520
<v Speaker 3>openers I think for him and Washington, and that's why

0:17:39.520 --> 0:17:40.879
<v Speaker 3>they sat him for the rest of the year because

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<v Speaker 3>they were just they were bad offense.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they were not good. That's why he.

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<v Speaker 4>Was absolutely lost.

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<v Speaker 3>And one of the things that I think he got

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<v Speaker 3>into a bad habit of was what you talked about,

0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:56.040
<v Speaker 3>trying to just make plays and it wasn't as effective,

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<v Speaker 3>Like he just wasn't the same runner. And maybe that

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<v Speaker 3>was partly because of the the injury that he was

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<v Speaker 3>playing through, although it was the case the first couple

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<v Speaker 3>of weeks, but it was like defenses knew the book

0:18:08.760 --> 0:18:10.080
<v Speaker 3>was to keep him in the pocket.

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<v Speaker 4>Whatever however possible.

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<v Speaker 3>There was a lot of good athletic linebackers that were

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<v Speaker 3>kind of watching him and trying to take away what

0:18:16.440 --> 0:18:18.600
<v Speaker 3>he did. So the way he won his rookie ear,

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<v Speaker 3>I think it could be something that is important to

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<v Speaker 3>him long term, but it's not necessarily sustainable long term.

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<v Speaker 5>I used to really roll my eyes hearing people talk

0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:31.719
<v Speaker 5>about this when I was covering like superhuman quarterbacks as

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<v Speaker 5>a beat writer, Cam Newton being the number one example here,

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<v Speaker 5>which is, you know, everyone would always say, ah Man,

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<v Speaker 5>like take the check down, don't be Superman, when it's like,

0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:46.160
<v Speaker 5>how could you ask Superman not to be Superman? Well, also,

0:18:46.560 --> 0:18:50.080
<v Speaker 5>Jaden Daniels is maybe a third of the bill. He's tall,

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<v Speaker 5>but he's like slight. And then the other thing is

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<v Speaker 5>it was so annoying because in parts they were right,

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<v Speaker 5>because when Greg Olsen was fully healthy and was the

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<v Speaker 5>friendly target and gave an answer, a quick answer to

0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:07.840
<v Speaker 5>the problem when you sent multiple linebackers after the guy

0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:10.040
<v Speaker 5>when you're trying to keep the cup around the quarterback,

0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:12.680
<v Speaker 5>as they say, and contain him in the pocket, when

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<v Speaker 5>you're trying to basically like basically put your foot down

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<v Speaker 5>on the end of the cape you know, or like

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<v Speaker 5>you know in Incredibles, be the jet engine to the cape, right,

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<v Speaker 5>and like that is what defenses will try to do.

0:19:24.359 --> 0:19:28.600
<v Speaker 5>And then getting a Christian McCaffrey getting the quick, you know,

0:19:29.080 --> 0:19:31.840
<v Speaker 5>very very quick answer mismatch player. Which is why I

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<v Speaker 5>like your point about the tight ends. But it's also

0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:38.440
<v Speaker 5>the quarterback really really internalizing that that is a problem,

0:19:38.840 --> 0:19:42.240
<v Speaker 5>that is a problem that is solvable immediately within the

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<v Speaker 5>offense and having that be an answer for him and

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<v Speaker 5>an option for him. It's hand in hand in my opinion.

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<v Speaker 5>Quarterback has to make the decision, but also the coaches

0:19:49.760 --> 0:19:51.320
<v Speaker 5>have to make that available for him and.

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<v Speaker 2>Go go Stefon Diggs. I mean, go go get a

0:19:54.880 --> 0:19:57.600
<v Speaker 2>player like that, because he immediately brings respect and credibility.

0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:02.000
<v Speaker 2>Defenses have to gain plan for him that it would help,

0:20:02.520 --> 0:20:05.640
<v Speaker 2>That would help. I don't like their receiving corps. And look,

0:20:05.680 --> 0:20:07.879
<v Speaker 2>I spoke to a coach who was on that staff who said,

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<v Speaker 2>Jayden and Daniels covered up so many of our mistakes

0:20:12.359 --> 0:20:16.320
<v Speaker 2>as a rookie that when he was hemmed in the

0:20:16.400 --> 0:20:19.919
<v Speaker 2>second year, all of those mistakes blew wide open. And

0:20:19.960 --> 0:20:23.440
<v Speaker 2>those were things that as an organization, they overlooked and

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<v Speaker 2>that's why they've tried so hard this offseason, at least

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<v Speaker 2>personnel wise and some of the moves on the coaching

0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:31.000
<v Speaker 2>staff to fill in some of those gaps.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so he did you guys, did anyone watch Quarterback yet?

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<v Speaker 2>I have not watched.

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<v Speaker 3>On my flight home, I was like, I don't have

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<v Speaker 3>time to watch the entire series right now, but I

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<v Speaker 3>did just watch the Jaden Daniels sections and then fast

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<v Speaker 3>forwarded and so I watched Jaden Daniels on Quarterback. You

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<v Speaker 3>don't learn that much about him. I was a little

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<v Speaker 3>like it was a bit of a missed opportunity. It

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<v Speaker 3>feels like he wanted to be on the show. His

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<v Speaker 3>mom is a huge part of his life. It's his manager,

0:20:57.160 --> 0:21:00.480
<v Speaker 3>it's his agent, she's at every game, she's she's a

0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:03.399
<v Speaker 3>big part of this show as well. And it was like, okay,

0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:05.320
<v Speaker 3>they want to position him, and you think, man, what

0:21:05.359 --> 0:21:09.080
<v Speaker 3>a run this kid has been on from Heisman Trophy

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<v Speaker 3>to the rookie year that he had and the difference

0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:16.040
<v Speaker 3>between how high he is flying coming into doing this

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<v Speaker 3>show to this the frustration of just injury after injury,

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<v Speaker 3>and to be fair to him, he's a small guy.

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<v Speaker 3>He's never been hurt before, Like he's never missed time

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<v Speaker 3>with injury. So people saying like that's a concern. It

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<v Speaker 3>is a concern at the NFL level, But he's never

0:21:30.119 --> 0:21:33.200
<v Speaker 3>been hurt before. But he watching the show like he's

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<v Speaker 3>doing the Scout team late in the year. It does

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<v Speaker 3>you don't learn a lot about him, which I I think, like,

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<v Speaker 3>if you're going to do the show, let's give us.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you finish it?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah I did, But like, if you're going to do

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<v Speaker 3>the show, give us a little more of yourself. They

0:21:44.440 --> 0:21:46.320
<v Speaker 3>just didn't, Like I didn't get a great You don't

0:21:46.359 --> 0:21:48.080
<v Speaker 3>get a great sense of who he is other than

0:21:48.080 --> 0:21:49.560
<v Speaker 3>he's a quiet, introverted guy.

0:21:49.680 --> 0:21:51.720
<v Speaker 4>Doesn't seem to have like a lot.

0:21:51.840 --> 0:21:53.320
<v Speaker 3>He seems like a young guy, Like he seems like

0:21:53.359 --> 0:21:56.160
<v Speaker 3>a very mature football guy who's he's still just a kid.

0:21:56.359 --> 0:21:58.800
<v Speaker 2>And that might be who he is. Ye we after

0:21:58.880 --> 0:22:01.200
<v Speaker 2>all the time Matt Ryan played like we is this

0:22:01.240 --> 0:22:04.880
<v Speaker 2>is this kind of it? Yeah, yeah, that's it. Russell Wilson.

0:22:05.160 --> 0:22:07.440
<v Speaker 2>Russell Wilson tried to change and of course all of

0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:08.879
<v Speaker 2>a sudden, Alston even for great, he's.

0:22:08.720 --> 0:22:09.440
<v Speaker 4>All so chill.

0:22:09.520 --> 0:22:11.360
<v Speaker 3>I think it makes him a great quarterback because he's

0:22:11.400 --> 0:22:14.119
<v Speaker 3>so chilling about it. Yeah, and even Terry mclern or Deebo,

0:22:14.160 --> 0:22:16.280
<v Speaker 3>who like showed up to his his birthday party a

0:22:16.280 --> 0:22:18.240
<v Speaker 3>surprise birthday already. But you got the sense like he didn't.

0:22:18.440 --> 0:22:21.440
<v Speaker 3>He wasn't super tight with everyone. They all really respect him,

0:22:21.480 --> 0:22:23.720
<v Speaker 3>look up to him, but it's like an older team

0:22:23.760 --> 0:22:24.400
<v Speaker 3>around him.

0:22:24.560 --> 0:22:26.240
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, he's really tight with Bobby Wagner.

0:22:26.440 --> 0:22:27.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

0:22:26.760 --> 0:22:30.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like, well, if you're gonna be tight with someone, that's.

0:22:29.840 --> 0:22:31.440
<v Speaker 3>But I think it's just and they were talking about

0:22:31.440 --> 0:22:32.960
<v Speaker 3>it's just like that's who he is all the time.

0:22:33.000 --> 0:22:36.280
<v Speaker 4>But he he did seem like a guy to me

0:22:36.480 --> 0:22:39.960
<v Speaker 4>that would be built to overcome some of the adversity.

0:22:40.080 --> 0:22:43.840
<v Speaker 5>When you said that's it, I had the arrested development

0:22:43.920 --> 0:22:44.560
<v Speaker 5>line her.

0:22:47.480 --> 0:22:50.400
<v Speaker 4>All right, Jayden and Daniels, we'll see if he like that.

0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:52.600
<v Speaker 5>I bet we will be talking about him. And that's

0:22:52.640 --> 0:22:56.800
<v Speaker 5>part of the point of this exercise. And for that reason,

0:22:57.119 --> 0:22:59.480
<v Speaker 5>I'm I have to nominate Jordan Love here.

0:22:59.600 --> 0:23:01.120
<v Speaker 4>Okay, yeah, Harden Love.

0:23:01.200 --> 0:23:04.440
<v Speaker 5>First of all, we were cut down, you know, and

0:23:04.520 --> 0:23:07.600
<v Speaker 5>our numbers on quarterback island storm hit or something, and

0:23:07.880 --> 0:23:09.919
<v Speaker 5>we only we had a few fewer.

0:23:09.840 --> 0:23:13.320
<v Speaker 3>Finished a greater honor to finish the season on Quarterback

0:23:13.359 --> 0:23:14.480
<v Speaker 3>Island then to start.

0:23:14.560 --> 0:23:18.240
<v Speaker 5>But I will say at the very end of last

0:23:18.680 --> 0:23:22.919
<v Speaker 5>season's debate, we were going back and forth between Jordan

0:23:23.000 --> 0:23:26.000
<v Speaker 5>Love and Caleb Williams and it was a really difficult

0:23:26.000 --> 0:23:29.440
<v Speaker 5>decision to make, and in part we put Caleb Williams

0:23:29.480 --> 0:23:32.119
<v Speaker 5>on the island because of some of the late games,

0:23:32.200 --> 0:23:36.440
<v Speaker 5>late season heroics, the thrill factor, and also the protecting

0:23:36.440 --> 0:23:39.320
<v Speaker 5>the football, avoiding sex also things by the way that

0:23:39.480 --> 0:23:42.520
<v Speaker 5>Jordan Love does very well. Jordan Love did very, very

0:23:42.640 --> 0:23:46.000
<v Speaker 5>very well last season. We have talked so much about

0:23:46.080 --> 0:23:49.719
<v Speaker 5>Jordan Love this on this show, and everybody has been

0:23:49.720 --> 0:23:52.119
<v Speaker 5>talking so much about Jordan Love, and so for the

0:23:52.160 --> 0:23:55.000
<v Speaker 5>purpose of this exercise, I kind of wanted to talk

0:23:55.000 --> 0:23:58.320
<v Speaker 5>about him maybe in a different context or present a

0:23:58.400 --> 0:24:01.200
<v Speaker 5>question or a thought extra guys that maybe we haven't

0:24:01.240 --> 0:24:04.320
<v Speaker 5>done on the show. And what I'm really curious about

0:24:04.320 --> 0:24:07.199
<v Speaker 5>with him is are we fairly talking about his performance

0:24:07.560 --> 0:24:09.679
<v Speaker 5>relative first of all to what is happening on the

0:24:09.760 --> 0:24:13.880
<v Speaker 5>roster around him, which we've done, but also within what

0:24:13.920 --> 0:24:18.080
<v Speaker 5>this offense is itself, and what his partnership with the

0:24:18.119 --> 0:24:21.240
<v Speaker 5>head coach and play caller is and what they have

0:24:21.359 --> 0:24:24.679
<v Speaker 5>accepted and agreed to with each other. That what that

0:24:24.760 --> 0:24:27.920
<v Speaker 5>the system will be with Jordan Love as a quarterback,

0:24:27.960 --> 0:24:32.960
<v Speaker 5>because because I think he is like the dream quarterback.

0:24:33.040 --> 0:24:35.879
<v Speaker 5>If I know I talk guys like listeners. I know

0:24:36.000 --> 0:24:38.000
<v Speaker 5>I talk about the Shanahan Tree a lot.

0:24:38.160 --> 0:24:40.320
<v Speaker 4>I know that it's great.

0:24:40.400 --> 0:24:43.119
<v Speaker 5>It is what I have gotten my education in Okay,

0:24:43.119 --> 0:24:46.040
<v Speaker 5>It's why I talk about it so much. But I

0:24:46.080 --> 0:24:49.399
<v Speaker 5>think that if all of these guys he is, he

0:24:49.560 --> 0:24:52.280
<v Speaker 5>is like their dream quarterback. And I say that because

0:24:53.040 --> 0:24:55.879
<v Speaker 5>they've all had a guy who can be agreeable with

0:24:55.920 --> 0:24:57.560
<v Speaker 5>what they want to do as a play caller in

0:24:57.560 --> 0:25:00.000
<v Speaker 5>the sense that they're not fighting with them Aaron Rodgers

0:25:00.200 --> 0:25:04.560
<v Speaker 5>style or even sometimes Matthew Stafford's style about the play calls.

0:25:04.600 --> 0:25:07.480
<v Speaker 5>They're not trying to make the coach change the offense

0:25:07.520 --> 0:25:10.720
<v Speaker 5>to compromise with the quarterback. They all want that guy right.

0:25:10.720 --> 0:25:13.879
<v Speaker 5>They want to point and shoot. They they want progression passing.

0:25:13.920 --> 0:25:16.480
<v Speaker 5>They want answers on the field for the quarterback through

0:25:16.520 --> 0:25:19.120
<v Speaker 5>every single one of his reads, depending on any type

0:25:19.119 --> 0:25:21.320
<v Speaker 5>of defense, that they can break the rules for right.

0:25:21.560 --> 0:25:24.440
<v Speaker 5>Jordan Love can do that. Jordan Love can absolutely do that.

0:25:24.560 --> 0:25:27.600
<v Speaker 5>Jordan Love actually can do more than that because he

0:25:27.720 --> 0:25:30.960
<v Speaker 5>also can extend plays, and it's not extending plays in

0:25:31.000 --> 0:25:31.600
<v Speaker 5>a way.

0:25:31.400 --> 0:25:31.840
<v Speaker 1>That is.

0:25:33.760 --> 0:25:37.760
<v Speaker 5>Flustery or sporadic or freestyle or even like sure we

0:25:37.800 --> 0:25:42.280
<v Speaker 5>could say the absolute thrill ride of a fourth you know,

0:25:42.359 --> 0:25:46.760
<v Speaker 5>a fourth quarter, fourth down, fourth and fifteen touchdown path,

0:25:46.840 --> 0:25:49.280
<v Speaker 5>you know what I mean? Like the Outliers, people are

0:25:49.280 --> 0:25:52.560
<v Speaker 5>not remembering so much about with with Jordan Love. What

0:25:52.640 --> 0:25:55.640
<v Speaker 5>I think Jordan Love does though, is he takes your

0:25:55.720 --> 0:25:58.479
<v Speaker 5>pencil after the coach has done drawing on the page.

0:25:59.080 --> 0:26:02.679
<v Speaker 5>He takes your pen and he continues drawing using the

0:26:02.680 --> 0:26:05.280
<v Speaker 5>lines that you already started. And I think that is

0:26:05.320 --> 0:26:08.639
<v Speaker 5>what is so exceptional about him that makes him this

0:26:08.760 --> 0:26:12.000
<v Speaker 5>perfect fit and a double edged sword for him, because

0:26:12.040 --> 0:26:14.720
<v Speaker 5>when the coach is designing answers for him and he

0:26:14.840 --> 0:26:17.679
<v Speaker 5>and they're deciding philosophically, this is how we're going to play,

0:26:18.080 --> 0:26:20.679
<v Speaker 5>and suddenly the answers are gone, and then there is

0:26:20.720 --> 0:26:23.639
<v Speaker 5>no clarity about the rest of the answers aka the

0:26:23.680 --> 0:26:27.560
<v Speaker 5>receivers room. Tucker Craft is injured, the number one person

0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:30.640
<v Speaker 5>that this offense was going through, pucker Craft was gone

0:26:31.080 --> 0:26:33.840
<v Speaker 5>by week ten last season. The rest of it was

0:26:33.880 --> 0:26:36.600
<v Speaker 5>a complete lack of clarity in the receiver's room. And

0:26:36.600 --> 0:26:39.240
<v Speaker 5>then Jordan Love there are some murmurings that he was

0:26:39.280 --> 0:26:40.879
<v Speaker 5>a little banged up. He was banged up at the

0:26:40.920 --> 0:26:43.600
<v Speaker 5>end of the year. When you take away the answers

0:26:43.640 --> 0:26:48.520
<v Speaker 5>that you basically have agreed to use for your entire

0:26:48.600 --> 0:26:51.919
<v Speaker 5>system and then redo them mid season, you are not

0:26:52.040 --> 0:26:55.600
<v Speaker 5>going to look comfortable all the time, and then teams

0:26:55.640 --> 0:26:57.320
<v Speaker 5>are going to pressure you more, which they did at

0:26:57.359 --> 0:27:00.360
<v Speaker 5>a thirty percent rate between weeks ten and seventeen when

0:27:00.400 --> 0:27:02.800
<v Speaker 5>he was when he was in the game, and and

0:27:02.880 --> 0:27:05.639
<v Speaker 5>he struggled, and and so that to me is the

0:27:05.680 --> 0:27:07.639
<v Speaker 5>context with which it's a double edged sword. He's the

0:27:07.640 --> 0:27:10.560
<v Speaker 5>perfect quarterback to do with this coach wants him to

0:27:10.560 --> 0:27:14.240
<v Speaker 5>do and more and elevate it truly. And then the

0:27:14.240 --> 0:27:16.879
<v Speaker 5>double edged sword is when all those things aren't working,

0:27:17.440 --> 0:27:19.280
<v Speaker 5>then what do you do? You have to problem solve better?

0:27:19.359 --> 0:27:21.720
<v Speaker 3>And yet like he was the best quarterback in the

0:27:21.800 --> 0:27:24.240
<v Speaker 3>league arguably the second half of the season along with

0:27:24.320 --> 0:27:26.920
<v Speaker 3>Drake Lee and the season like.

0:27:26.920 --> 0:27:31.600
<v Speaker 5>Man like on Jordan Lover, Well, there was that pocket.

0:27:31.640 --> 0:27:33.520
<v Speaker 5>There was that pocket right in the like sort of

0:27:33.560 --> 0:27:35.879
<v Speaker 5>I would call it the meat of the season where

0:27:36.240 --> 0:27:39.399
<v Speaker 5>he dazzled, He dazzled Yeah, there were also times, and

0:27:39.440 --> 0:27:41.679
<v Speaker 5>we've talked about it, and again you guys were thinking

0:27:41.760 --> 0:27:44.840
<v Speaker 5>like this, this is not a framing of We've all

0:27:44.880 --> 0:27:46.840
<v Speaker 5>watched you know, we've watched his tape, We've talked about it,

0:27:46.840 --> 0:27:49.200
<v Speaker 5>we've talked about the stats, we've talked about the advanced analytics,

0:27:49.240 --> 0:27:50.119
<v Speaker 5>We've talked about all of it.

0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:27:50.800 --> 0:27:53.639
<v Speaker 5>My point is, I think that for all of this

0:27:53.720 --> 0:27:58.040
<v Speaker 5>sort of outside commentary to still finally is to is

0:27:58.080 --> 0:28:01.000
<v Speaker 5>to really think about this in a way where I

0:28:01.040 --> 0:28:03.600
<v Speaker 5>think that there is no ceiling on what this guy

0:28:03.640 --> 0:28:04.439
<v Speaker 5>can do. Truly.

0:28:04.560 --> 0:28:07.639
<v Speaker 3>No, I mean the last three seasons. If you just

0:28:07.680 --> 0:28:11.360
<v Speaker 3>look at the second half of the seasons, the Toyota.

0:28:10.880 --> 0:28:11.680
<v Speaker 4>Than thing is real.

0:28:12.000 --> 0:28:14.280
<v Speaker 3>He is the number one quarterback in the NFL in

0:28:14.320 --> 0:28:16.280
<v Speaker 3>terms of DVOA in the second half of the season,

0:28:16.320 --> 0:28:19.480
<v Speaker 3>including including last season. I think last season he was

0:28:19.520 --> 0:28:23.120
<v Speaker 3>a different player. He did prevent mistakes a lot more.

0:28:23.200 --> 0:28:25.760
<v Speaker 3>He's been the best third and long receivers as exciting

0:28:25.800 --> 0:28:28.000
<v Speaker 3>as you can imagine. Caleb Williams is on those big

0:28:28.040 --> 0:28:31.480
<v Speaker 3>plays like Jordan Love has hit more third and long

0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:34.040
<v Speaker 3>plays than anyone else. And I think that speaks to

0:28:34.080 --> 0:28:38.240
<v Speaker 3>what you're talking about in terms of appreciating what Matt

0:28:38.280 --> 0:28:41.160
<v Speaker 3>Lafair did, and that's despite not having craft in the

0:28:41.200 --> 0:28:42.840
<v Speaker 3>running game, not being as good. I think it was

0:28:42.880 --> 0:28:45.840
<v Speaker 3>the first time we really saw him elevate, and unfortunately,

0:28:46.600 --> 0:28:49.120
<v Speaker 3>like the injury happened and that that hurt. You know,

0:28:49.320 --> 0:28:50.840
<v Speaker 3>it was a couple of key games. I mean, it

0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:52.240
<v Speaker 3>was just it was just a game and a half,

0:28:52.280 --> 0:28:55.520
<v Speaker 3>but that moment and then the playoff game he was Okay,

0:28:55.560 --> 0:28:58.120
<v Speaker 3>the numbers look great, but he wasn't amazing in the

0:28:58.120 --> 0:29:00.840
<v Speaker 3>playoff game, and so you forget about him a little bit.

0:29:00.880 --> 0:29:02.720
<v Speaker 4>But I think he's almost a lock.

0:29:02.600 --> 0:29:04.440
<v Speaker 3>To be on QB Island to start the year because

0:29:04.480 --> 0:29:07.120
<v Speaker 3>to me, he's just an obvious I think top ten

0:29:07.200 --> 0:29:08.200
<v Speaker 3>quarterback at this point.

0:29:08.280 --> 0:29:09.760
<v Speaker 2>And you look at you look at the list of

0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:12.240
<v Speaker 2>the eight guys right who we had on this list,

0:29:12.280 --> 0:29:14.680
<v Speaker 2>you know, Trevor Lawrence, Josh Allen, Justin Herbert, like they

0:29:14.720 --> 0:29:16.600
<v Speaker 2>got the dazzle factor. You know, you could say, Okay,

0:29:16.600 --> 0:29:18.680
<v Speaker 2>brock Purty doesn't do but Bronc has pulled out some

0:29:18.760 --> 0:29:22.760
<v Speaker 2>games like whoa you know, and then Drake May's been steady, right,

0:29:22.800 --> 0:29:25.800
<v Speaker 2>but he's got the ability, He's got that that Joe Burrow, right,

0:29:25.840 --> 0:29:28.920
<v Speaker 2>to kind of come in and kill you. So I

0:29:28.960 --> 0:29:31.120
<v Speaker 2>think that's what with with Jordan Love when when I

0:29:31.120 --> 0:29:33.080
<v Speaker 2>went sit there and watch him like man like, he

0:29:33.240 --> 0:29:35.960
<v Speaker 2>may be executing the hell out of this offense, but

0:29:36.160 --> 0:29:39.320
<v Speaker 2>where is that freaking flashing light. Like sometimes you see

0:29:39.320 --> 0:29:41.720
<v Speaker 2>it like oh my god, this guy's insane, but there's

0:29:41.760 --> 0:29:44.840
<v Speaker 2>sometimes kind of like, okay, now he's now, he's been

0:29:45.240 --> 0:29:47.800
<v Speaker 2>what people you say about Lebron. Lebron could take over games,

0:29:48.200 --> 0:29:50.160
<v Speaker 2>then it was almost kind of like he he'd meld

0:29:50.200 --> 0:29:52.560
<v Speaker 2>into the to the furniture a little bit. And that's

0:29:52.560 --> 0:29:54.760
<v Speaker 2>what I saw about Jordan Love. I'm with you. I

0:29:54.800 --> 0:29:57.120
<v Speaker 2>think he's a guy who should absolutely start the season

0:29:57.800 --> 0:30:00.560
<v Speaker 2>on the island and getting Tucker Kraft back with every Yeah,

0:30:00.600 --> 0:30:03.120
<v Speaker 2>once he got hurt, they didn't know that. You talk

0:30:03.120 --> 0:30:04.520
<v Speaker 2>about answers going out the window.

0:30:04.720 --> 0:30:09.120
<v Speaker 5>Well, and that's the thing, Steve. It's because, like whin

0:30:09.240 --> 0:30:13.320
<v Speaker 5>these coaches from this system, like historically through even beyond

0:30:13.360 --> 0:30:16.720
<v Speaker 5>the young guys that we see now, when they have

0:30:16.960 --> 0:30:21.280
<v Speaker 5>a outlier mismatch player that's specifically a move player, so

0:30:21.360 --> 0:30:23.560
<v Speaker 5>a player that they can align anywhere on the field,

0:30:24.240 --> 0:30:27.440
<v Speaker 5>what they will do is they will design their entire offense,

0:30:27.760 --> 0:30:30.760
<v Speaker 5>and in Kyle Shannon's case, he's had two. Often they'll

0:30:30.800 --> 0:30:34.480
<v Speaker 5>design their entire offense to flow, to make that the

0:30:34.800 --> 0:30:37.760
<v Speaker 5>first answer, the first not necessarily always the first read,

0:30:37.800 --> 0:30:40.240
<v Speaker 5>but the first answer to any problem you get. And

0:30:40.280 --> 0:30:42.560
<v Speaker 5>they know how to do that because they understand defenses

0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:44.560
<v Speaker 5>so well. Jordan Love knows how to do that because

0:30:44.600 --> 0:30:48.040
<v Speaker 5>he understands defenses, and so to me, it's a double

0:30:48.160 --> 0:30:51.520
<v Speaker 5>edged sword where if you're agreeing that you're going to

0:30:51.600 --> 0:30:54.240
<v Speaker 5>protect the ball, that you're going to run the offense,

0:30:54.280 --> 0:30:58.280
<v Speaker 5>that you're going to keep everything as risk averse as

0:30:58.360 --> 0:31:00.440
<v Speaker 5>clean as possible, which he did. He was a seventh

0:31:01.080 --> 0:31:04.400
<v Speaker 5>the seventh least off target percentage quarterback last year according

0:31:04.400 --> 0:31:07.040
<v Speaker 5>to True Media, like he protected the ball only twenty

0:31:07.040 --> 0:31:10.000
<v Speaker 5>one sacks. He really really protected the ball and himself

0:31:10.160 --> 0:31:13.840
<v Speaker 5>for the most part. And when you agree that that

0:31:14.000 --> 0:31:16.280
<v Speaker 5>is how you're gonna run your offense, the double edged

0:31:16.280 --> 0:31:19.440
<v Speaker 5>sword is what happens when everything you built suddenly goes

0:31:19.480 --> 0:31:21.320
<v Speaker 5>away and you have to redo it right in the

0:31:21.360 --> 0:31:24.600
<v Speaker 5>middle of the season, as defenses are pressuring you more,

0:31:24.760 --> 0:31:26.960
<v Speaker 5>as your body is breaking down, and as you don't

0:31:27.000 --> 0:31:29.800
<v Speaker 5>actually have any clarity with that cluster of receivers, about

0:31:30.080 --> 0:31:32.560
<v Speaker 5>which one is going to be the most targeted one

0:31:32.560 --> 0:31:34.560
<v Speaker 5>per week. And I think the big clue on this.

0:31:35.360 --> 0:31:38.240
<v Speaker 5>First of all, it really goes to show how mature

0:31:38.320 --> 0:31:41.240
<v Speaker 5>Jordan Love is and that partnership he has with Matt Lafleur,

0:31:41.360 --> 0:31:44.720
<v Speaker 5>because they are collaborators on this, right, we can have

0:31:44.720 --> 0:31:47.800
<v Speaker 5>one without the other. The other thing is I think

0:31:47.840 --> 0:31:50.120
<v Speaker 5>that you see clues. First of all, craft coming back

0:31:50.200 --> 0:31:55.280
<v Speaker 5>is huge. Second, them reorganizing their receivers room, yes, letting

0:31:55.360 --> 0:31:58.240
<v Speaker 5>go of Romeo Dobs and everybody scratching their heads about that,

0:31:58.280 --> 0:32:01.440
<v Speaker 5>but also paying Christian Watson and then providing you you

0:32:01.440 --> 0:32:03.680
<v Speaker 5>hear rumblings out of there. There is more clarity than

0:32:03.720 --> 0:32:06.560
<v Speaker 5>there was about who's doing what, which means to me,

0:32:07.040 --> 0:32:10.000
<v Speaker 5>when one answer is not available, five more will be.

0:32:10.440 --> 0:32:13.120
<v Speaker 5>And you have it built in this time, stripping everything

0:32:13.160 --> 0:32:16.800
<v Speaker 5>down and redoing it, then maybe you were able to

0:32:16.840 --> 0:32:19.840
<v Speaker 5>do last time. And I think that's where we will

0:32:19.880 --> 0:32:21.360
<v Speaker 5>really see him elevate this year.

0:32:21.520 --> 0:32:23.840
<v Speaker 2>Is are you saying, oh that all this stuff about

0:32:23.920 --> 0:32:25.960
<v Speaker 2>we don't really need a number one receiver stuff was

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<v Speaker 2>kind of hogwaks.

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<v Speaker 5>Well that's the nicer SI. That's the nicer term than

0:32:30.760 --> 0:32:32.280
<v Speaker 5>what I was using for it, yeah.

0:32:32.280 --> 0:32:34.400
<v Speaker 4>Or like, yeah, we know who our three guys are

0:32:34.440 --> 0:32:34.800
<v Speaker 4>going to be.

0:32:34.840 --> 0:32:36.920
<v Speaker 3>And yet you're right when he's looked his worst has

0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:40.040
<v Speaker 3>kind of been late game situations where the other team

0:32:40.080 --> 0:32:42.680
<v Speaker 3>is coming up with answers and they're not good at pivoting.

0:32:43.200 --> 0:32:45.320
<v Speaker 3>That said, he has been in that offense now for

0:32:45.360 --> 0:32:47.440
<v Speaker 3>five years. Yeah, this is the reason why you keep

0:32:47.440 --> 0:32:50.040
<v Speaker 3>bringing back Matt Lafleur. He is going to be twenty

0:32:50.080 --> 0:32:52.520
<v Speaker 3>eight years old. Jordan Love is at should be at

0:32:52.560 --> 0:32:56.200
<v Speaker 3>the absolute peak of his powers to elevate what's not

0:32:56.240 --> 0:32:59.040
<v Speaker 3>as good an offensive line, maybe what's not as dynamic

0:32:59.080 --> 0:33:01.840
<v Speaker 3>a running game. And yeah, he's a guy you mentioned

0:33:02.600 --> 0:33:05.560
<v Speaker 3>avoiding sex. He actually leads the NFL since he joined

0:33:06.040 --> 0:33:09.120
<v Speaker 3>the league in avoiding sacks. Like this is a guy

0:33:09.400 --> 0:33:11.720
<v Speaker 3>who has the ability, I think to have an MVP.

0:33:11.560 --> 0:33:13.200
<v Speaker 2>Take and more is going to be asked to him

0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:16.080
<v Speaker 2>because that defense, until Michael Parsons is good go is

0:33:16.120 --> 0:33:18.960
<v Speaker 2>not personnel wise, is not what it has been.

0:33:19.200 --> 0:33:21.000
<v Speaker 5>I think it was a bucket of cold water watching

0:33:21.040 --> 0:33:22.719
<v Speaker 5>that defense not be what it was at the end

0:33:22.720 --> 0:33:24.800
<v Speaker 5>of the last season. And then really, I mean Matt

0:33:24.840 --> 0:33:27.480
<v Speaker 5>Lafore even said it straight up to the media stripping

0:33:27.520 --> 0:33:29.760
<v Speaker 5>everything down like it was year one. To me, that's

0:33:29.800 --> 0:33:32.120
<v Speaker 5>problem solving mode. I've been in that building before when

0:33:32.120 --> 0:33:32.719
<v Speaker 5>they're doing that.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, we are going to take a quick break.

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<v Speaker 4>Those are three young men who got the casting call

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<v Speaker 4>for this episode QB Island Casting Call coming back.

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<v Speaker 2>In a future.

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<v Speaker 3>Thanks again to our old friend Randy Chavis introducing the show,

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<v Speaker 3>former producer Great Pipes.

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<v Speaker 4>It's QB Island Casting Call.

0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:05.400
<v Speaker 3>And when we came up with this show, we also

0:34:05.440 --> 0:34:08.560
<v Speaker 3>wanted to conclude some young up and comers, you know

0:34:08.800 --> 0:34:12.480
<v Speaker 3>who maybe weren't really ever in the conversation and maybe

0:34:12.520 --> 0:34:15.400
<v Speaker 3>a guy in Tyler shuck that I'll make the case.

0:34:15.719 --> 0:34:16.279
<v Speaker 2>There you go.

0:34:16.760 --> 0:34:18.840
<v Speaker 3>He's not going to start the year on QB Island,

0:34:18.840 --> 0:34:21.719
<v Speaker 3>but if things go right, yes, I'm sure about that.

0:34:21.840 --> 0:34:24.480
<v Speaker 5>Greg has come all the way around.

0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:27.640
<v Speaker 3>Top twelve to start the year. Now, he's not defining

0:34:27.680 --> 0:34:30.160
<v Speaker 3>the position now, but here are the things he does well.

0:34:30.280 --> 0:34:32.279
<v Speaker 3>Going back and watching his tape, and I think this

0:34:32.360 --> 0:34:36.759
<v Speaker 3>is a bucket of qualities to build a streaky but

0:34:37.080 --> 0:34:39.719
<v Speaker 3>potentially high level quarterback around that. Maybe you start the

0:34:39.800 --> 0:34:43.120
<v Speaker 3>year fast and you're in the QB Island discussion. Number one,

0:34:43.120 --> 0:34:44.600
<v Speaker 3>he gets through his reads fast. I mean that is

0:34:44.600 --> 0:34:47.040
<v Speaker 3>one of the hardest things for any quarterback to do.

0:34:47.239 --> 0:34:49.840
<v Speaker 3>Many good quarterbacks never really learned that. I think Shuck

0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:54.160
<v Speaker 3>does that. He does not turn the ball over, not

0:34:54.239 --> 0:34:57.160
<v Speaker 3>many turnover for worthy plays. Takes a lot of sacks.

0:34:57.160 --> 0:35:00.520
<v Speaker 3>That's his biggest negative if we were going negatives. He

0:35:00.680 --> 0:35:03.520
<v Speaker 3>really protected the ball. So you're getting through your reads fast,

0:35:03.840 --> 0:35:09.040
<v Speaker 3>you're protecting the ball. You have a combination of creation

0:35:09.719 --> 0:35:12.960
<v Speaker 3>more than I ever expected out of him. In terms

0:35:13.000 --> 0:35:15.040
<v Speaker 3>of him as a college prospect. A lot of his

0:35:15.160 --> 0:35:18.920
<v Speaker 3>best moments as a pro was him in create mode.

0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:23.319
<v Speaker 3>And he's a tough guy and he took a lot

0:35:23.320 --> 0:35:26.440
<v Speaker 3>of hits. He kept going and he stays in that

0:35:26.520 --> 0:35:30.960
<v Speaker 3>pocket sometimes to go through those reads and makes throws

0:35:31.040 --> 0:35:33.960
<v Speaker 3>while under pressure. Did not see that coming when he

0:35:34.080 --> 0:35:37.920
<v Speaker 3>was a prospect. But look, he's made himself a favorite

0:35:37.920 --> 0:35:40.120
<v Speaker 3>son of New Orleans. He knows all the best places

0:35:40.160 --> 0:35:43.839
<v Speaker 3>to eat like. I like his intangibles. He's just one

0:35:43.840 --> 0:35:45.840
<v Speaker 3>of those guys that somehow makes more sense as a

0:35:45.880 --> 0:35:47.960
<v Speaker 3>pro than he did in college.

0:35:48.160 --> 0:35:50.200
<v Speaker 4>And I think he could take a big step in

0:35:50.239 --> 0:35:50.759
<v Speaker 4>here two and.

0:35:50.719 --> 0:35:52.680
<v Speaker 2>We see that. You know this is a Kellen Moore staple.

0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:55.200
<v Speaker 2>The quick decision making. Like every quarterback Kellen Moore's coach,

0:35:55.239 --> 0:35:57.000
<v Speaker 2>they can get to where they need to go. Okay,

0:35:57.040 --> 0:36:00.560
<v Speaker 2>problem solve problems. Off the balls out Now you get

0:36:00.640 --> 0:36:04.040
<v Speaker 2>him Travis h chan right as a dual threat running

0:36:04.040 --> 0:36:06.040
<v Speaker 2>back again, that did carried a heavy load last year

0:36:06.080 --> 0:36:08.600
<v Speaker 2>in Jacksonville. You keep Alvin Kamara, you can put them

0:36:08.600 --> 0:36:11.280
<v Speaker 2>on the field at the same time. You've got three

0:36:11.840 --> 0:36:14.480
<v Speaker 2>potential receiving tight ends. They've got some opposite tight end.

0:36:14.480 --> 0:36:17.080
<v Speaker 2>They've upgraded the offensive line. You add Jordan Tyson too,

0:36:17.120 --> 0:36:21.080
<v Speaker 2>Chris Olave on the outside. Clearly, the Saints are expecting

0:36:21.120 --> 0:36:24.360
<v Speaker 2>Tyler Shuck to be good. They built this offense to

0:36:24.400 --> 0:36:27.080
<v Speaker 2>be better with him. They had a top ten defense

0:36:27.160 --> 0:36:31.080
<v Speaker 2>last year. You know they get I'm blanking on the

0:36:31.080 --> 0:36:34.000
<v Speaker 2>their nickel safety's name helbal.

0:36:33.760 --> 0:36:36.160
<v Speaker 5>Player Sunker or are you talking about?

0:36:36.360 --> 0:36:36.520
<v Speaker 4>Wait?

0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:38.480
<v Speaker 5>Which one? There's like a million of them that they

0:36:38.560 --> 0:36:43.480
<v Speaker 5>use now Jonash Sanker, Yeah, Sunker, I love that. Jonas

0:36:43.560 --> 0:36:45.640
<v Speaker 5>Jonas and Sezer my name is Jonas.

0:36:46.320 --> 0:36:50.120
<v Speaker 2>But I think defensively, Brandon Day year two, the uptick

0:36:50.200 --> 0:36:52.520
<v Speaker 2>is coming. You know, Chase Young is gonna you know,

0:36:52.560 --> 0:36:54.640
<v Speaker 2>he had a big year last year with Cam Jordan

0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:56.239
<v Speaker 2>ten and a half sacks. They've got some people. I

0:36:56.280 --> 0:36:59.280
<v Speaker 2>think the Saints are gonna be good, But Tyler Shuck.

0:37:00.120 --> 0:37:02.680
<v Speaker 2>They have built this team for him to succeed. And

0:37:02.680 --> 0:37:04.560
<v Speaker 2>that's that's the reason why he may not start the

0:37:04.600 --> 0:37:07.520
<v Speaker 2>season on the island. No, but man, we might have

0:37:07.520 --> 0:37:08.640
<v Speaker 2>some be talking about some land.

0:37:08.680 --> 0:37:12.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's he's got a little Jamis or Tannehill to him.

0:37:12.719 --> 0:37:14.879
<v Speaker 3>Where like, is he going to be a top ten

0:37:14.960 --> 0:37:17.439
<v Speaker 3>quarterback consistently? I probably have my doubts, but I think

0:37:17.680 --> 0:37:21.359
<v Speaker 3>the highs and the streaks could be really high. And

0:37:21.960 --> 0:37:24.680
<v Speaker 3>he's like an intermediate merchant, and those are the quarterbacks I.

0:37:24.600 --> 0:37:30.160
<v Speaker 4>Think merchant like Sixtus right.

0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:32.120
<v Speaker 3>He is a guy that over the middle of the

0:37:32.120 --> 0:37:34.160
<v Speaker 3>field and you have a lave, you have Devon Vailey.

0:37:34.200 --> 0:37:36.160
<v Speaker 3>There's a great throw of him getting to his second

0:37:36.239 --> 0:37:38.959
<v Speaker 3>read to Devon Vailey against the Panthers where he takes

0:37:38.960 --> 0:37:40.560
<v Speaker 3>a massive hit and the only reason he can throw

0:37:40.640 --> 0:37:42.680
<v Speaker 3>is because he gets to that second read quickly and

0:37:42.680 --> 0:37:44.879
<v Speaker 3>that's where he that's where he wins. And that that's

0:37:45.000 --> 0:37:47.880
<v Speaker 3>usually the hardest thing for a young quarterback to learn.

0:37:47.920 --> 0:37:49.440
<v Speaker 3>And that's why I like shuck Is because he does

0:37:49.480 --> 0:37:52.360
<v Speaker 3>so many of the hard things. Well he has he

0:37:52.400 --> 0:37:54.279
<v Speaker 3>has some flaws to his game, for sure, but he

0:37:54.320 --> 0:37:55.279
<v Speaker 3>does a lot of the hard things.

0:37:55.320 --> 0:37:55.480
<v Speaker 2>Well.

0:37:55.680 --> 0:37:59.160
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean I think that you can tell immediately

0:37:59.239 --> 0:38:01.959
<v Speaker 5>what the Saints and what Kellen Moore thinks of him,

0:38:01.960 --> 0:38:04.600
<v Speaker 5>and what think then think of what they all think

0:38:04.640 --> 0:38:07.680
<v Speaker 5>of Tyler Shuck entering year two and specifically about the

0:38:07.719 --> 0:38:11.399
<v Speaker 5>way that he gets through his progressions. Is because they

0:38:11.400 --> 0:38:14.240
<v Speaker 5>built more of a layer to this offense. They added

0:38:14.440 --> 0:38:17.120
<v Speaker 5>like multiple layers to this offense. And I don't just

0:38:17.200 --> 0:38:20.520
<v Speaker 5>mean they added players to this offense. You you touched

0:38:20.520 --> 0:38:22.880
<v Speaker 5>on with a Chen and and certainly with Devon Valley.

0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:25.399
<v Speaker 5>I think is still maybe the front runner for their three.

0:38:25.440 --> 0:38:27.320
<v Speaker 5>I know Jalen Polk has had a strong camp or

0:38:27.400 --> 0:38:30.400
<v Speaker 5>of course I think the local media, but Vale they love.

0:38:30.200 --> 0:38:32.480
<v Speaker 4>And that bill Ron Johnson is kind of a three.

0:38:32.560 --> 0:38:35.239
<v Speaker 5>And but like there's there's dimension to it. Now You're

0:38:35.280 --> 0:38:39.480
<v Speaker 5>you're basically making and building little little blocks out for

0:38:39.640 --> 0:38:42.839
<v Speaker 5>him because you understand he can get to everything on

0:38:42.880 --> 0:38:45.560
<v Speaker 5>the field and and I just think that that's a

0:38:45.680 --> 0:38:49.439
<v Speaker 5>surefire way to understand if the if the team really

0:38:49.480 --> 0:38:52.719
<v Speaker 5>thinks they've got someone at quarterback, they're not changing necessarily.

0:38:53.040 --> 0:38:56.760
<v Speaker 5>They're blocking structure. They're not changing necessarily like the way

0:38:56.880 --> 0:38:59.680
<v Speaker 5>that they play their system. You know, not to not

0:38:59.760 --> 0:39:03.400
<v Speaker 5>to be negative about someone else that's have him catch astray,

0:39:03.440 --> 0:39:06.439
<v Speaker 5>but you know they changed their entire way they were

0:39:06.440 --> 0:39:09.000
<v Speaker 5>doing their front alignments when with Bryce Young they started

0:39:09.000 --> 0:39:09.680
<v Speaker 5>playing more empty.

0:39:09.719 --> 0:39:09.839
<v Speaker 2>Now.

0:39:09.840 --> 0:39:11.799
<v Speaker 5>I think that was a really really good thing in

0:39:11.840 --> 0:39:14.920
<v Speaker 5>Carolina that they did, But you're not seeing that in

0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:16.960
<v Speaker 5>New Orleans, and I don't think you will because they're

0:39:16.960 --> 0:39:19.040
<v Speaker 5>going to build layers in because he's going to stand

0:39:19.120 --> 0:39:21.040
<v Speaker 5>tall in there and get to all of his reads.

0:39:21.040 --> 0:39:23.120
<v Speaker 3>And they know that they were the fourth fastest team

0:39:23.160 --> 0:39:25.560
<v Speaker 3>in terms of tempo last year. So I mentioned the

0:39:25.560 --> 0:39:28.279
<v Speaker 3>tempo when it came to Jade Daniels. I wouldn't be

0:39:28.280 --> 0:39:31.680
<v Speaker 3>surprised if they are the fastest because he excelled at tempo.

0:39:32.239 --> 0:39:35.880
<v Speaker 3>And the thing that really got me was ultimately, like

0:39:35.960 --> 0:39:38.080
<v Speaker 3>the extra that he's adding a little bit, like you

0:39:38.120 --> 0:39:40.760
<v Speaker 3>talked about with Jordan Love, that he can color outside

0:39:40.800 --> 0:39:43.200
<v Speaker 3>the lines in a way that I did not expect.

0:39:43.239 --> 0:39:45.080
<v Speaker 4>And it's tricky.

0:39:45.200 --> 0:39:46.960
<v Speaker 3>You don't want to just count on like bo Nicks,

0:39:47.040 --> 0:39:49.840
<v Speaker 3>these late game comebacks, but man, he had some big

0:39:49.960 --> 0:39:53.600
<v Speaker 3>time moments. There was a four play sequence in the

0:39:53.640 --> 0:39:55.960
<v Speaker 3>in the Bucks game where you know, he gets out

0:39:55.960 --> 0:39:59.799
<v Speaker 3>of pressure to run for a key touchdown around the

0:39:59.880 --> 0:40:01.640
<v Speaker 3>end that I just did not think he had that

0:40:01.719 --> 0:40:02.600
<v Speaker 3>sort of juice.

0:40:02.680 --> 0:40:04.000
<v Speaker 4>But then there is a third and six.

0:40:04.080 --> 0:40:06.520
<v Speaker 3>They don't win the game with four minutes left unless

0:40:06.520 --> 0:40:09.840
<v Speaker 3>he gets to his second read fast with pressure flashing

0:40:09.920 --> 0:40:12.759
<v Speaker 3>really quick and the decision comes out. And then there's

0:40:12.800 --> 0:40:16.280
<v Speaker 3>another third and five where he's hitting outside window throws

0:40:16.320 --> 0:40:18.359
<v Speaker 3>like he can do the opposite hash stuff he can do.

0:40:18.520 --> 0:40:21.160
<v Speaker 3>There was a fourth and one like creation mode play

0:40:21.160 --> 0:40:23.400
<v Speaker 3>that was called back by penalty, but it was incredible

0:40:23.480 --> 0:40:25.480
<v Speaker 3>him getting out of things. And that was what I

0:40:25.480 --> 0:40:27.719
<v Speaker 3>didn't expect out of him, because I think he can

0:40:27.719 --> 0:40:30.640
<v Speaker 3>do the tempo and the decision making pretty well. He's

0:40:30.800 --> 0:40:34.080
<v Speaker 3>just gotta just gotta stop taking sacks because the sack

0:40:34.160 --> 0:40:36.759
<v Speaker 3>stuff is awful. I mean, he was one of the

0:40:37.200 --> 0:40:38.839
<v Speaker 3>he was one of the worst quarterbacks in the league

0:40:38.880 --> 0:40:41.920
<v Speaker 3>in terms of he wasn't getting pressure that much and

0:40:41.960 --> 0:40:44.200
<v Speaker 3>he's just hanging on to the ball trying to make

0:40:44.200 --> 0:40:45.799
<v Speaker 3>a play too much and he'll get killed.

0:40:45.920 --> 0:40:47.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was a rookie. I mean that that's something

0:40:47.520 --> 0:40:50.120
<v Speaker 2>he's just gonna learn what he understands opposing personnel, what

0:40:50.160 --> 0:40:52.560
<v Speaker 2>they're trying to scheme, and do you know the tendencies

0:40:52.560 --> 0:40:53.920
<v Speaker 2>of defensive coordinator I help.

0:40:54.000 --> 0:40:57.880
<v Speaker 3>So that was something in college too. It was like

0:40:57.960 --> 0:41:00.200
<v Speaker 3>him and Brady Cook at the bottom of the league in.

0:41:00.200 --> 0:41:03.480
<v Speaker 5>Terms of like, well, you camped him in your rankings

0:41:03.520 --> 0:41:05.880
<v Speaker 5>with the great John Ledyard. You comped him to what

0:41:06.000 --> 0:41:08.800
<v Speaker 5>Ryan Tannehill. Yeah, You're like, man, he's taken a beating,

0:41:08.800 --> 0:41:09.799
<v Speaker 5>but he's standing in there.

0:41:09.880 --> 0:41:13.959
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's a tough dude. So yeah, Chuck, you proved

0:41:13.960 --> 0:41:16.839
<v Speaker 3>me wrong with the rookie season. I was skeptical, you

0:41:17.080 --> 0:41:18.480
<v Speaker 3>have one more Georgian.

0:41:18.560 --> 0:41:21.839
<v Speaker 5>Yeah. So again, I know that we've talked about this

0:41:21.880 --> 0:41:25.560
<v Speaker 5>player so much through the off season, and I think rightfully.

0:41:25.640 --> 0:41:30.000
<v Speaker 5>So We've covered the warts, We've covered the places to grow.

0:41:30.040 --> 0:41:32.279
<v Speaker 5>We'll touch on some of those here, but with c. J.

0:41:32.480 --> 0:41:35.600
<v Speaker 5>Strouds specifically, who I think we are going to be

0:41:35.640 --> 0:41:39.680
<v Speaker 5>talking about as Island quarterback Island material here into the season.

0:41:40.920 --> 0:41:42.920
<v Speaker 5>I want to sort of reframe, like I did with

0:41:43.000 --> 0:41:45.879
<v Speaker 5>Jordan Love, reframe some of the discussion just a little bit,

0:41:45.960 --> 0:41:48.719
<v Speaker 5>because I do think that this offense will take a

0:41:48.719 --> 0:41:52.719
<v Speaker 5>step forward in year two with this system. I do

0:41:52.800 --> 0:41:55.360
<v Speaker 5>think that the moves they made to try to improve

0:41:55.360 --> 0:41:57.879
<v Speaker 5>the run game will help. David Montgomery looks like he's

0:41:57.960 --> 0:42:01.280
<v Speaker 5>lost about ten pounds, it says via his Instagram posts,

0:42:02.040 --> 0:42:04.120
<v Speaker 5>in order to take on much more of that that

0:42:04.200 --> 0:42:08.760
<v Speaker 5>Carrie share with Woody Marks. Potentially as compliment, they've redone

0:42:08.760 --> 0:42:11.240
<v Speaker 5>their offensive line again. I'd love to see more true

0:42:11.239 --> 0:42:13.840
<v Speaker 5>continuity there, but it sounds like they really like the

0:42:13.880 --> 0:42:16.799
<v Speaker 5>guys they have. And then, really importantly, it sounds like

0:42:16.880 --> 0:42:19.520
<v Speaker 5>Nick Kaylee is I don't want to say simplifying, because

0:42:19.520 --> 0:42:21.239
<v Speaker 5>I don't think it will be a simpler offense, but

0:42:21.280 --> 0:42:23.040
<v Speaker 5>I think it will be less dense, Like I think

0:42:23.040 --> 0:42:25.279
<v Speaker 5>he'll be trying to do less. He'll be trying to

0:42:25.320 --> 0:42:30.280
<v Speaker 5>not do so many things from multiple systems every single

0:42:30.320 --> 0:42:33.280
<v Speaker 5>time and every single game and and sort of cluttering

0:42:33.360 --> 0:42:36.440
<v Speaker 5>things up. The concept I want to talk to you

0:42:36.440 --> 0:42:39.799
<v Speaker 5>guys about is the idea of pace, and it's got

0:42:39.840 --> 0:42:42.480
<v Speaker 5>two meetings here for the purpose of this discussion. The

0:42:42.520 --> 0:42:47.480
<v Speaker 5>first one is performance after critical error. CJ. Stroud has

0:42:48.080 --> 0:42:52.879
<v Speaker 5>fantastic numbers after he throws an interception. Specifically, he has

0:42:52.960 --> 0:42:55.080
<v Speaker 5>courtesy of my friend Tage Seth, who ran this for

0:42:55.160 --> 0:42:57.440
<v Speaker 5>me really quick this morning. He has a point four

0:42:57.440 --> 0:42:59.960
<v Speaker 5>to three epa per drop back fifty percent success rate

0:43:00.520 --> 0:43:04.160
<v Speaker 5>specifically after he throws an interception, So the drive after

0:43:04.200 --> 0:43:08.240
<v Speaker 5>he throws an interception, on those plays after when multiple

0:43:08.239 --> 0:43:10.919
<v Speaker 5>things happen, when he takes sacks, and you can see

0:43:10.920 --> 0:43:14.880
<v Speaker 5>this watching watching him all year last year, takes multiple sacks,

0:43:15.360 --> 0:43:20.279
<v Speaker 5>there's some some misfires, confusion, certain types of pressure. If

0:43:20.320 --> 0:43:23.680
<v Speaker 5>there's an error or or he makes multiple errors in

0:43:24.000 --> 0:43:26.960
<v Speaker 5>a single series, you see that start to compound. You

0:43:27.000 --> 0:43:31.200
<v Speaker 5>see him getting frustrated, You see him start to sort

0:43:31.200 --> 0:43:33.120
<v Speaker 5>of get in his head a little bit. Yes, it

0:43:33.200 --> 0:43:36.600
<v Speaker 5>happened in a huge way at the end of last season.

0:43:36.840 --> 0:43:40.279
<v Speaker 5>So I'll pause here for you guys to weigh in.

0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:43.279
<v Speaker 5>But that concept of pace, I think that there are

0:43:43.280 --> 0:43:45.080
<v Speaker 5>a lot of tools first of all, where c J.

0:43:45.200 --> 0:43:50.080
<v Speaker 5>Stroud to get back onto full time quarterback Island can address,

0:43:50.160 --> 0:43:53.040
<v Speaker 5>and also that the offense and the offensive coordinator can

0:43:53.040 --> 0:43:53.440
<v Speaker 5>address to.

0:43:53.680 --> 0:43:56.680
<v Speaker 2>When you're talking about pace, you're talking about in a series,

0:43:56.719 --> 0:43:59.080
<v Speaker 2>a certain tempo or.

0:44:00.040 --> 0:44:03.880
<v Speaker 6>Four months after critical error. So how he rebounds, so

0:44:05.120 --> 0:44:06.720
<v Speaker 6>that goes to show he won. He's got a character.

0:44:06.760 --> 0:44:08.320
<v Speaker 6>But you saw in that Patriots game to the playoff,

0:44:08.360 --> 0:44:10.640
<v Speaker 6>he just completely melted. And I think part of it.

0:44:10.680 --> 0:44:12.840
<v Speaker 2>I've spoken to some people about this who really diagnose

0:44:12.920 --> 0:44:16.680
<v Speaker 2>his film. Some of it's on him, but some of

0:44:16.719 --> 0:44:19.640
<v Speaker 2>it was on the offense. Right there weren't always answers

0:44:20.640 --> 0:44:22.759
<v Speaker 2>like he's dropping back, he can't get his first read,

0:44:22.800 --> 0:44:24.399
<v Speaker 2>second read, and then all of a sudden he makes

0:44:24.400 --> 0:44:26.799
<v Speaker 2>a bad play and it looks like he's panicking. But

0:44:26.840 --> 0:44:29.520
<v Speaker 2>then what's supposed to be the third option, whether it

0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:31.560
<v Speaker 2>was a receiver running a bad route or something, or

0:44:31.560 --> 0:44:34.880
<v Speaker 2>a block not being picked like it did not happen,

0:44:35.239 --> 0:44:38.440
<v Speaker 2>or whatever executional region, some of it looked like play designed.

0:44:38.920 --> 0:44:40.840
<v Speaker 2>So when you talking about Nick Cayley coming back for

0:44:40.840 --> 0:44:43.799
<v Speaker 2>a second year, he's got to improve upon that, and

0:44:43.880 --> 0:44:46.360
<v Speaker 2>that's part of what they have to do there. And

0:44:46.440 --> 0:44:49.800
<v Speaker 2>getting a Dave Montgomery and adding, you know, Keelon Rutleds,

0:44:49.840 --> 0:44:52.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, the center to that spot to fortify some

0:44:52.239 --> 0:44:54.560
<v Speaker 2>of the interior running game. Maybe that helps because those

0:44:54.600 --> 0:44:56.759
<v Speaker 2>young ride receivers and stuff they're talking about Jalen Nolan,

0:44:56.840 --> 0:44:59.920
<v Speaker 2>Jaden Higgins like their young studs to go along with

0:45:00.200 --> 0:45:01.920
<v Speaker 2>Go Collins know he's one of the better wide receivers.

0:45:01.960 --> 0:45:02.959
<v Speaker 5>He helped me back.

0:45:03.000 --> 0:45:05.360
<v Speaker 3>I think of the Jaguars game early in the season,

0:45:05.440 --> 0:45:06.880
<v Speaker 3>or another one where he got in the hole and

0:45:07.120 --> 0:45:09.160
<v Speaker 3>he couldn't get his way out it. Look both of

0:45:09.200 --> 0:45:11.360
<v Speaker 3>his playoff games he struggled. He was bad in the

0:45:11.360 --> 0:45:15.239
<v Speaker 3>Steelers game too. I do think he is such a

0:45:15.280 --> 0:45:20.080
<v Speaker 3>cerebral quarterback. Weirdly, his greatest skill to me, which I

0:45:20.280 --> 0:45:22.759
<v Speaker 3>think he's got a little bit of football genius to him.

0:45:22.800 --> 0:45:26.680
<v Speaker 3>He just has a great feel of the position. He's

0:45:26.719 --> 0:45:28.480
<v Speaker 3>what I want out of a quarterback. And so you

0:45:28.560 --> 0:45:32.800
<v Speaker 3>do think that when he gets older, he maybe won't

0:45:33.040 --> 0:45:36.279
<v Speaker 3>overthink things as much because I think he has such

0:45:36.280 --> 0:45:39.319
<v Speaker 3>a good feel that when he loses it, it was

0:45:39.400 --> 0:45:41.200
<v Speaker 3>like he loses it all the way and he tries

0:45:41.239 --> 0:45:43.879
<v Speaker 3>to think his way out of it, whereas maybe some

0:45:44.000 --> 0:45:48.480
<v Speaker 3>people that play quarterback they just they're not overthinking it

0:45:48.480 --> 0:45:49.640
<v Speaker 3>as much as Jason.

0:45:49.840 --> 0:45:52.200
<v Speaker 5>I love that you guys have set me up for

0:45:52.239 --> 0:45:55.759
<v Speaker 5>this next point because absolutely I think I agree with

0:45:55.800 --> 0:45:58.040
<v Speaker 5>both of you, and it brings me to the other

0:45:58.160 --> 0:46:00.760
<v Speaker 5>meaning of pace that I'm thinking about when I'm thinking

0:46:00.800 --> 0:46:05.359
<v Speaker 5>about you know, CJ. Stroud and kind of who he is,

0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:08.759
<v Speaker 5>and that is just general pace of development, pace of

0:46:08.800 --> 0:46:11.759
<v Speaker 5>playing quarterback in the NFL, not talking tempo, I'm not

0:46:11.800 --> 0:46:15.960
<v Speaker 5>talking game pace so often. To me, he has been

0:46:16.040 --> 0:46:19.080
<v Speaker 5>incongruous with the person who's calling plays for him. He

0:46:19.280 --> 0:46:22.240
<v Speaker 5>was light years ahead as a rookie, and Bobby Slowck's

0:46:22.239 --> 0:46:25.560
<v Speaker 5>offense I think was right where it should have been

0:46:25.600 --> 0:46:26.319
<v Speaker 5>that first year.

0:46:26.680 --> 0:46:26.960
<v Speaker 3>C J.

0:46:27.080 --> 0:46:29.880
<v Speaker 5>Stroud remained light years ahead, just mentally in terms of

0:46:29.920 --> 0:46:33.560
<v Speaker 5>that he's such a smart football player that that offense

0:46:33.600 --> 0:46:36.080
<v Speaker 5>did not take another step forward and evolve. And then

0:46:36.120 --> 0:46:39.080
<v Speaker 5>there was personnel disasters. We don't need to re litigate anything.

0:46:39.640 --> 0:46:42.600
<v Speaker 5>Then Nick Cayley comes in and c J. Stroud is

0:46:42.640 --> 0:46:45.800
<v Speaker 5>clearly showing to him his pace is fast. His pace

0:46:45.880 --> 0:46:48.200
<v Speaker 5>is I want all of it. I can do all

0:46:48.200 --> 0:46:49.680
<v Speaker 5>of it. I can think about all of it, I

0:46:49.719 --> 0:46:52.200
<v Speaker 5>can see all of it. And Nick Keyley sees that

0:46:52.280 --> 0:46:54.840
<v Speaker 5>and he's like, holy crap, Like this is awesome. I

0:46:54.840 --> 0:46:57.279
<v Speaker 5>can try everything. I'm going to try to meld these

0:46:57.320 --> 0:46:59.560
<v Speaker 5>two systems, the Patriots and the Rams, and I'm gonna

0:46:59.560 --> 0:47:01.759
<v Speaker 5>try to do all of it sometimes in one game.

0:47:01.840 --> 0:47:04.880
<v Speaker 5>And my answers that I give to my quarterback and

0:47:04.920 --> 0:47:08.080
<v Speaker 5>the heat of the moment in battle are going to

0:47:08.120 --> 0:47:11.600
<v Speaker 5>be maybe too much or too complicated or too clunky

0:47:11.680 --> 0:47:13.800
<v Speaker 5>because there's too much going on all at one time.

0:47:14.120 --> 0:47:16.759
<v Speaker 5>We don't have the run game to support it, we

0:47:16.840 --> 0:47:19.600
<v Speaker 5>don't have the protection to support it. And you're asking

0:47:19.640 --> 0:47:21.799
<v Speaker 5>then too much for a quarterback who wants to do

0:47:21.880 --> 0:47:24.839
<v Speaker 5>all of it when sometimes the correct pace for both

0:47:24.840 --> 0:47:28.520
<v Speaker 5>the play caller and the quarterback is to be together

0:47:28.719 --> 0:47:32.480
<v Speaker 5>at the same time and to really dig and collaborate

0:47:32.520 --> 0:47:35.680
<v Speaker 5>on how can I protect him from himself both ways?

0:47:36.360 --> 0:47:38.759
<v Speaker 5>And I think steps, they skip steps, and I think

0:47:38.800 --> 0:47:41.480
<v Speaker 5>that is what exactly is happening here, and I think

0:47:41.480 --> 0:47:44.839
<v Speaker 5>that's what they're very self aware of in Houston right now.

0:47:44.880 --> 0:47:47.920
<v Speaker 5>So the idea of pace in that regard being in

0:47:47.960 --> 0:47:51.480
<v Speaker 5>the same step as the person that you're collaborating with,

0:47:51.880 --> 0:47:55.759
<v Speaker 5>to me, that's what takes CJ. Stroud from being this

0:47:55.920 --> 0:47:58.399
<v Speaker 5>really really gifted player who we just we know there's

0:47:58.440 --> 0:48:01.000
<v Speaker 5>more in there, we know the highs of so high

0:48:01.040 --> 0:48:04.200
<v Speaker 5>and turns him, I think into this, you know once again,

0:48:04.239 --> 0:48:07.560
<v Speaker 5>because he was his freshman year, essentially his rookie year,

0:48:07.840 --> 0:48:08.760
<v Speaker 5>a top ten quarterback.

0:48:08.880 --> 0:48:09.719
<v Speaker 4>The crazy thing is.

0:48:09.640 --> 0:48:13.800
<v Speaker 3>His numbers last year are almost identical analytics wise to

0:48:14.000 --> 0:48:16.200
<v Speaker 3>his rookie year, but watching the film, I don't think

0:48:16.239 --> 0:48:19.480
<v Speaker 3>he played as well. I think it's misleading and he

0:48:20.000 --> 0:48:20.640
<v Speaker 3>was streakier.

0:48:21.239 --> 0:48:21.439
<v Speaker 2>Now.

0:48:21.480 --> 0:48:24.000
<v Speaker 3>Part of it is since he entered the league, the

0:48:24.160 --> 0:48:27.480
<v Speaker 3>Texans are second to last in success rate and ep

0:48:27.760 --> 0:48:30.120
<v Speaker 3>play running the ball. Yeah, so it's like he's always

0:48:30.120 --> 0:48:31.880
<v Speaker 3>in third and lungs. He's always in a bad situation.

0:48:32.200 --> 0:48:34.680
<v Speaker 3>There are obviously reasons for but I think what you

0:48:34.760 --> 0:48:36.319
<v Speaker 3>hit on. They've talked about it, we'll see if they

0:48:36.360 --> 0:48:39.080
<v Speaker 3>can execute it. All off season they've been saying, we

0:48:39.120 --> 0:48:41.920
<v Speaker 3>want to focus on what CJ does well, build the

0:48:41.960 --> 0:48:45.000
<v Speaker 3>offense around his strengths a little more instead of maybe

0:48:45.040 --> 0:48:47.839
<v Speaker 3>just what we're doing and what are those strengths. I

0:48:47.880 --> 0:48:50.399
<v Speaker 3>think it's reading down the field and like.

0:48:50.680 --> 0:48:53.080
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, maybe, But I also think that's only half of

0:48:53.080 --> 0:48:55.279
<v Speaker 5>the story there, because yes, you should do that, and

0:48:55.320 --> 0:48:58.279
<v Speaker 5>he can do those things, but in the cases where

0:48:58.320 --> 0:49:00.600
<v Speaker 5>then he was asked to do too much with less,

0:49:00.640 --> 0:49:03.440
<v Speaker 5>with less support or less less pure answer, you also

0:49:03.480 --> 0:49:05.600
<v Speaker 5>have to protect him from himself. Just because he can

0:49:05.680 --> 0:49:07.759
<v Speaker 5>do it doesn't mean he always should. So I think

0:49:07.800 --> 0:49:09.480
<v Speaker 5>that's just only part of the story there.

0:49:10.800 --> 0:49:12.839
<v Speaker 2>Well, my final thing is, look, this is a big year.

0:49:12.840 --> 0:49:14.800
<v Speaker 2>For him. I mean, of course he's got the contract

0:49:14.880 --> 0:49:17.040
<v Speaker 2>coming up. More than anything, they've got a balance out

0:49:17.040 --> 0:49:20.560
<v Speaker 2>thing because the defensive players they got to be tired

0:49:20.560 --> 0:49:22.520
<v Speaker 2>of carrying this team. And you know, if he if

0:49:22.560 --> 0:49:25.160
<v Speaker 2>everything works out and he does have a good year,

0:49:25.800 --> 0:49:27.440
<v Speaker 2>they're going to have to let some of those defensive

0:49:27.440 --> 0:49:29.920
<v Speaker 2>players go because you remember, they've extended just about everybody,

0:49:30.440 --> 0:49:32.319
<v Speaker 2>Like and the next one up is Henry Toto, and

0:49:32.360 --> 0:49:33.879
<v Speaker 2>he's a hell of a player. Like if he gets

0:49:33.880 --> 0:49:35.359
<v Speaker 2>on the market, there's gonna be other teams that are

0:49:35.360 --> 0:49:35.960
<v Speaker 2>gonna want him.

0:49:36.040 --> 0:49:40.520
<v Speaker 4>How about how about Texans Bills and then Texans Bengals

0:49:40.680 --> 0:49:45.320
<v Speaker 4>both one pm Eastern games in Houston to start the season.

0:49:45.760 --> 0:49:47.680
<v Speaker 4>I'm just that's what those are some deaths.

0:49:47.800 --> 0:49:50.600
<v Speaker 3>Those are some good early morning not the West Coast

0:49:50.600 --> 0:49:54.640
<v Speaker 3>game on Because to your point, I think there are

0:49:54.640 --> 0:49:57.919
<v Speaker 3>certain players teams like it's important I think for CJ

0:49:58.040 --> 0:49:59.839
<v Speaker 3>in this offense to get off to a good start, he.

0:49:59.800 --> 0:50:01.960
<v Speaker 2>Wi those two teams early, to let your defense get

0:50:01.960 --> 0:50:03.520
<v Speaker 2>after him. Bigger thing, it's not offensive.

0:50:03.800 --> 0:50:06.120
<v Speaker 4>Okay, last person for the casting call.

0:50:06.600 --> 0:50:08.040
<v Speaker 2>I mean, come on, there's a couple of guys we've

0:50:08.120 --> 0:50:08.600
<v Speaker 2>left off.

0:50:08.719 --> 0:50:08.920
<v Speaker 3>I know.

0:50:10.480 --> 0:50:12.279
<v Speaker 4>Who's gonna get on who's not We're just.

0:50:14.440 --> 0:50:17.040
<v Speaker 2>And I'm just saying this, and this is because of

0:50:17.120 --> 0:50:18.759
<v Speaker 2>who he is, what he is and what he brings.

0:50:18.760 --> 0:50:23.560
<v Speaker 2>And that's Patrick Mahomes, who who exactly who coming off

0:50:23.560 --> 0:50:25.799
<v Speaker 2>the injury, He's gonna be ready for week one.

0:50:25.719 --> 0:50:27.759
<v Speaker 4>He gets Bonix. Do we know that for sure?

0:50:27.880 --> 0:50:28.239
<v Speaker 2>I think so?

0:50:28.360 --> 0:50:30.080
<v Speaker 4>What a what a matchup of guys coming off sir,

0:50:30.200 --> 0:50:31.080
<v Speaker 4>I'm going off of injuries.

0:50:31.320 --> 0:50:32.960
<v Speaker 2>But this is this is why I think we really

0:50:33.000 --> 0:50:36.239
<v Speaker 2>need to pay more attention to Mahomes than ever is.

0:50:37.719 --> 0:50:41.160
<v Speaker 2>I think this offense personnel wise, Yes, they got Kenneth Walker,

0:50:41.200 --> 0:50:43.719
<v Speaker 2>but it might be more of a mess than what

0:50:43.760 --> 0:50:47.520
<v Speaker 2>he's ever had to deal with that receiving corps. It's

0:50:47.520 --> 0:50:50.360
<v Speaker 2>not making teams saying who are we doubling? It's not

0:50:50.480 --> 0:50:53.080
<v Speaker 2>making anybody saying, oh, we've got to do X, Y

0:50:53.120 --> 0:50:56.279
<v Speaker 2>and Z. Because Travis Kelsey is where he is in

0:50:56.280 --> 0:51:00.560
<v Speaker 2>his career, this offensive line has been Unstable'd be better

0:51:00.560 --> 0:51:03.000
<v Speaker 2>than it was good. It could be better than it's been,

0:51:03.080 --> 0:51:05.120
<v Speaker 2>but this might be the most ability that they've had.

0:51:05.880 --> 0:51:07.759
<v Speaker 2>But what's going to be asked in Mahomes? What do

0:51:07.760 --> 0:51:09.399
<v Speaker 2>we say every year he gets asked to do more

0:51:09.440 --> 0:51:12.600
<v Speaker 2>than any quarterback in the NFL because of his person

0:51:13.120 --> 0:51:15.839
<v Speaker 2>it might be more on him than we have seen

0:51:15.880 --> 0:51:18.160
<v Speaker 2>it now. Eric Bienemy and Mahomes just said that he's

0:51:18.160 --> 0:51:21.560
<v Speaker 2>back as Yosi b Enemy will be far more accountable

0:51:21.600 --> 0:51:24.480
<v Speaker 2>than what they've had the past. Right, he'll keep guys

0:51:24.520 --> 0:51:27.840
<v Speaker 2>in line. But just again, what's going to have to

0:51:27.840 --> 0:51:30.520
<v Speaker 2>happen with Kenneth Walker in this run game? They're probably

0:51:30.560 --> 0:51:33.080
<v Speaker 2>gonna have to score more points because this defense half

0:51:33.080 --> 0:51:35.200
<v Speaker 2>of it is on other rosters in the NFL. Right now,

0:51:35.960 --> 0:51:38.839
<v Speaker 2>I think this is where Patrick Mahomes is really going

0:51:38.920 --> 0:51:41.719
<v Speaker 2>to show us how great. We know how great he is,

0:51:42.040 --> 0:51:43.719
<v Speaker 2>but this is going to be a next level mover.

0:51:44.040 --> 0:51:45.640
<v Speaker 4>I do think it's a great.

0:51:46.080 --> 0:51:47.919
<v Speaker 3>First of all, we haven't talked about him despite him

0:51:48.040 --> 0:51:51.520
<v Speaker 3>that much this operason, despite him being, as I've often said,

0:51:51.520 --> 0:51:53.480
<v Speaker 3>the greatest player I've ever seen enter the league. And

0:51:53.560 --> 0:51:58.080
<v Speaker 3>yet look, Peyton Manning and Drew Brees and Tom Brady

0:51:58.120 --> 0:52:02.319
<v Speaker 3>never had a three year run of statistical decline in

0:52:02.320 --> 0:52:04.680
<v Speaker 3>the middle of his prime like Mahlmes has had. Now

0:52:04.719 --> 0:52:06.560
<v Speaker 3>you can look at the tape and understand that he

0:52:06.600 --> 0:52:09.799
<v Speaker 3>has been better than that. But I would say at

0:52:09.800 --> 0:52:12.360
<v Speaker 3>the very end of last year. They were out of

0:52:12.400 --> 0:52:15.160
<v Speaker 3>answers in a way that they never had been before.

0:52:15.360 --> 0:52:19.600
<v Speaker 3>And he had more value per game that he played

0:52:19.719 --> 0:52:24.280
<v Speaker 3>running the ball yes qbr or Dvoa than any quarterback

0:52:24.320 --> 0:52:27.040
<v Speaker 3>in the league, more than Josh Allen, more than anyone.

0:52:27.200 --> 0:52:29.640
<v Speaker 3>And that's not going to be part of his arsenal

0:52:29.680 --> 0:52:33.080
<v Speaker 3>this year. So they are so pass heavy. I think

0:52:33.320 --> 0:52:35.279
<v Speaker 3>Eric b Enemy will help to change that, but they

0:52:35.280 --> 0:52:38.000
<v Speaker 3>are the most pass heavy team in the NFL in

0:52:38.040 --> 0:52:41.040
<v Speaker 3>almost every situation. It's just so much on his plate,

0:52:41.080 --> 0:52:45.360
<v Speaker 3>and then you're taking away potentially his mobility this year.

0:52:45.520 --> 0:52:48.520
<v Speaker 3>It is an incredible test of how great he is.

0:52:49.200 --> 0:52:51.560
<v Speaker 5>So I don't think it's enough that they've done, but

0:52:51.600 --> 0:52:54.560
<v Speaker 5>I do think I can understand their thought process of

0:52:54.600 --> 0:52:58.200
<v Speaker 5>why they've done what they've done, which is, hey, Patrick Mahomes,

0:52:58.480 --> 0:53:01.239
<v Speaker 5>how about instead of you running to send plays, we

0:53:01.320 --> 0:53:04.640
<v Speaker 5>design a bleep load of screens to Kenneth Walker the

0:53:04.680 --> 0:53:08.160
<v Speaker 5>best screen running in football right now, and Andy Reid

0:53:08.200 --> 0:53:12.120
<v Speaker 5>the best screenplaybook in football right now, and we just say, okay, here,

0:53:12.239 --> 0:53:14.520
<v Speaker 5>here's how we mitigate pressure. Here's how we get the

0:53:14.560 --> 0:53:17.040
<v Speaker 5>quarterback to stop running so much and trying to do

0:53:17.160 --> 0:53:19.600
<v Speaker 5>too much. We just give this, We just give this

0:53:19.640 --> 0:53:22.000
<v Speaker 5>option to them. We build it into every single play

0:53:22.040 --> 0:53:24.880
<v Speaker 5>as like a new type of a run pass option,

0:53:25.400 --> 0:53:27.400
<v Speaker 5>like that type of a thing. It's an extension of

0:53:27.440 --> 0:53:29.840
<v Speaker 5>their wide zone whatever you want to call it. Like,

0:53:30.120 --> 0:53:33.319
<v Speaker 5>I think that that is exactly what they thought, like, Hey,

0:53:33.400 --> 0:53:36.279
<v Speaker 5>who needs more receivers and who needs them to stay

0:53:36.280 --> 0:53:38.720
<v Speaker 5>out of trouble? Right because we can just go ahead

0:53:38.719 --> 0:53:40.640
<v Speaker 5>and dump it to Kenneth Walker and we've got the

0:53:40.640 --> 0:53:43.160
<v Speaker 5>best screen game ever. And I just you know what

0:53:43.200 --> 0:53:45.120
<v Speaker 5>I mean, Like, I just I don't know if it's

0:53:45.120 --> 0:53:47.600
<v Speaker 5>gonna work, but I do think and I think it's

0:53:47.640 --> 0:53:50.000
<v Speaker 5>also a part of the reason. You know, you see

0:53:50.040 --> 0:53:53.600
<v Speaker 5>like some of the builds of their alignment, they're athletic,

0:53:53.680 --> 0:53:56.239
<v Speaker 5>they can move with that type of bloody read you know,

0:53:56.360 --> 0:53:58.480
<v Speaker 5>that type of a thing. So I really do think

0:53:58.719 --> 0:54:01.040
<v Speaker 5>that that I don't know if it's gonna work, but

0:54:01.120 --> 0:54:03.520
<v Speaker 5>I do think that that is legitimately what they thought.

0:54:03.600 --> 0:54:07.440
<v Speaker 3>Their offensive line, if it hits, has potential to be

0:54:07.520 --> 0:54:09.400
<v Speaker 3>one of the very best in the league. Josh Semons

0:54:09.520 --> 0:54:12.719
<v Speaker 3>could be a top five tackle and he's leaned down. Yeah,

0:54:12.800 --> 0:54:15.600
<v Speaker 3>Sue Mattea got better. Last year was a nice development

0:54:15.680 --> 0:54:17.920
<v Speaker 3>story for them. They've replaced their right tackle. It's now

0:54:17.920 --> 0:54:19.920
<v Speaker 3>going to be Jalen Moore, not Jewan Taylor. Like that

0:54:19.960 --> 0:54:22.160
<v Speaker 3>could be better. You have Creed Humphrey and tracement. So

0:54:22.800 --> 0:54:24.040
<v Speaker 3>they're going to ask for that to be a lot

0:54:24.040 --> 0:54:26.319
<v Speaker 3>of work because to your point, it's like, oh wait,

0:54:26.360 --> 0:54:29.040
<v Speaker 3>we're really doing Taekwon Thornton as wide receiver three for

0:54:29.080 --> 0:54:31.920
<v Speaker 3>a second straight year because we're going for that. It

0:54:31.960 --> 0:54:34.160
<v Speaker 3>was it was a different Mahomes last year. They started

0:54:34.160 --> 0:54:37.080
<v Speaker 3>throwing deep like crazy again and it was like not

0:54:37.320 --> 0:54:41.239
<v Speaker 3>that effective. It wasn't terrible, but other teams blitz them,

0:54:41.239 --> 0:54:44.200
<v Speaker 3>and that used to be kryptonite against Mahomes. They didn't

0:54:44.200 --> 0:54:47.160
<v Speaker 3>really have answers. They blitzed them. They were bad against blitzes.

0:54:47.200 --> 0:54:49.200
<v Speaker 3>They were bad against man. It was it was a

0:54:49.320 --> 0:54:50.080
<v Speaker 3>new Mahomes.

0:54:50.320 --> 0:54:53.000
<v Speaker 2>He's going to get blitched one week one because they're

0:54:53.040 --> 0:54:56.120
<v Speaker 2>playing Denver and Denver's guy got some dudes. You can

0:54:56.160 --> 0:54:58.719
<v Speaker 2>bring smoke, but they want teams they're gonna try to

0:54:58.719 --> 0:55:00.400
<v Speaker 2>get himut of the pocket to test that mo ability.

0:55:00.440 --> 0:55:02.239
<v Speaker 2>I mean, he's coming off the AC on LCL, but

0:55:02.880 --> 0:55:07.000
<v Speaker 2>that dude is made out of the most pliable ligaments

0:55:07.239 --> 0:55:09.120
<v Speaker 2>how many times he's jacked up his ankle just bounce

0:55:09.200 --> 0:55:11.879
<v Speaker 2>right up. So I think he's going to be back.

0:55:11.920 --> 0:55:14.759
<v Speaker 2>But I think this is going to be, you know,

0:55:14.800 --> 0:55:16.719
<v Speaker 2>the showcase of just how great he is because I

0:55:16.760 --> 0:55:19.520
<v Speaker 2>think he's working with last year again, the stonewall defense

0:55:19.760 --> 0:55:20.799
<v Speaker 2>has been broken down.

0:55:20.960 --> 0:55:24.160
<v Speaker 3>He's more interesting this year because because of the adversity,

0:55:24.280 --> 0:55:26.600
<v Speaker 3>because of the We've never seen a Chiefs team enter

0:55:26.640 --> 0:55:29.360
<v Speaker 3>a season like this, Like, you know, their projected wins

0:55:29.400 --> 0:55:31.560
<v Speaker 3>is going to be like nine, you know, eight and

0:55:31.560 --> 0:55:31.799
<v Speaker 3>a half.

0:55:31.960 --> 0:55:33.080
<v Speaker 4>Nine good?

0:55:33.200 --> 0:55:35.640
<v Speaker 5>Won't somebody please give the Chiefs a chip on their

0:55:35.640 --> 0:55:36.719
<v Speaker 5>shoulders right full?

0:55:36.960 --> 0:55:39.799
<v Speaker 3>And what I mentioned about the three year period, Like

0:55:39.880 --> 0:55:43.359
<v Speaker 3>I think he knows that. I think he's a little disappointed.

0:55:43.400 --> 0:55:45.600
<v Speaker 3>Like he's a guy that has had all the team

0:55:45.680 --> 0:55:47.840
<v Speaker 3>success in the world, but he wants to put up

0:55:47.880 --> 0:55:50.680
<v Speaker 3>big numbers, he wants to have flashy plays.

0:55:51.320 --> 0:55:51.880
<v Speaker 4>I'm excited.

0:55:51.960 --> 0:55:54.239
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I'm excited. He's someone we definitely and then we

0:55:54.239 --> 0:55:56.600
<v Speaker 5>should not. We'd be remiss to say, you know, another

0:55:56.600 --> 0:55:59.279
<v Speaker 5>injured player we probably will be talking about very quickly

0:55:59.360 --> 0:56:00.400
<v Speaker 5>on the island was Lamar.

0:56:00.800 --> 0:56:03.600
<v Speaker 3>Well, yes, yes, these guys will off to the side,

0:56:04.200 --> 0:56:06.600
<v Speaker 3>whether they immediately get put onto the island.

0:56:06.880 --> 0:56:07.920
<v Speaker 4>But that's for a month from now.

0:56:07.960 --> 0:56:10.520
<v Speaker 3>Let's actually take one quick break before we let you

0:56:10.560 --> 0:56:12.080
<v Speaker 3>get to your day job.

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<v Speaker 4>Today.

0:56:12.600 --> 0:56:15.280
<v Speaker 3>You're hosting NFL Insiders on NFL Network tonight.

0:56:15.640 --> 0:56:18.680
<v Speaker 4>Everyone check that out Wednesday night. But we're gonna do it.

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<v Speaker 4>Just a little bit of news. Training camp has started.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's go.

0:56:21.600 --> 0:56:32.520
<v Speaker 2>I should have mentioned that, getting real, I.

0:56:32.520 --> 0:56:35.440
<v Speaker 3>Should have mentioned right at the top. It's July twenty second,

0:56:35.640 --> 0:56:36.960
<v Speaker 3>twenty twenty six.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm back in.

0:56:37.600 --> 0:56:40.960
<v Speaker 3>Los Angeles, by the way. We're good. So we make

0:56:41.000 --> 0:56:42.160
<v Speaker 3>a trip overseas.

0:56:42.200 --> 0:56:45.480
<v Speaker 4>More on that coming up on NFL Daily. But Jordan

0:56:45.560 --> 0:56:49.359
<v Speaker 4>might be coming with me this then around going to Parry.

0:56:49.560 --> 0:56:50.640
<v Speaker 5>Just riding on Gregg's coach.

0:56:50.760 --> 0:56:52.960
<v Speaker 4>Okay, I gave it away. Yeah, we're going to Paris.

0:56:53.680 --> 0:56:55.919
<v Speaker 4>We'll talk more about that some other time as we're

0:56:55.920 --> 0:56:56.520
<v Speaker 4>taping this.

0:56:56.920 --> 0:56:59.040
<v Speaker 5>The girl who went to Paris. You don't get that.

0:56:59.080 --> 0:57:01.719
<v Speaker 3>Reference the two No, I don't Emily and Perie, I

0:57:01.719 --> 0:57:06.080
<v Speaker 3>don't know. The panthers in the Arizona Cardinals have showed

0:57:06.160 --> 0:57:11.160
<v Speaker 3>up to their facilities. Training camp is opening for the

0:57:11.200 --> 0:57:13.160
<v Speaker 3>two Hall of Fame teams, although they didn't go as

0:57:13.280 --> 0:57:16.440
<v Speaker 3>early as they could have, and so that means some

0:57:16.560 --> 0:57:20.200
<v Speaker 3>of the other teams that are starting early, like the

0:57:20.240 --> 0:57:22.640
<v Speaker 3>Seahawks and the Patriots, they're showing up in a couple

0:57:22.640 --> 0:57:24.360
<v Speaker 3>of days. The forty nine ers in the Rams are

0:57:24.400 --> 0:57:26.120
<v Speaker 3>going to be over the weekend. Everyone will be there

0:57:26.640 --> 0:57:28.800
<v Speaker 3>by early next week. But yes, the Panthers and the

0:57:28.800 --> 0:57:31.680
<v Speaker 3>Cardinals are in camp, and so we'll start just with

0:57:31.760 --> 0:57:34.840
<v Speaker 3>them since they're the teams that are there, and you

0:57:34.880 --> 0:57:39.600
<v Speaker 3>start getting these little news items. Number one, Jacoby Brissett

0:57:40.120 --> 0:57:43.040
<v Speaker 3>Ian Rappaport says that there is some agreement he deserves

0:57:43.080 --> 0:57:45.120
<v Speaker 3>a little more money. It sounds like this is gonna,

0:57:45.360 --> 0:57:47.720
<v Speaker 3>you know, be solved. And then the Cardinals also have

0:57:47.800 --> 0:57:51.920
<v Speaker 3>a starting guard, Isaiah Adams, who is facing weapons charges

0:57:52.240 --> 0:57:55.600
<v Speaker 3>in his home country of Canada that sound pretty serious.

0:57:55.600 --> 0:57:58.440
<v Speaker 3>So that's something will monitor with them. But I did

0:57:58.480 --> 0:58:01.919
<v Speaker 3>want to ask you whis about the Panthers, who got

0:58:01.920 --> 0:58:05.800
<v Speaker 3>some rough news in terms of injuries. We knew Ikiakwanmu

0:58:05.840 --> 0:58:08.240
<v Speaker 3>who's on the pup list to start camp, no surprise there.

0:58:08.280 --> 0:58:10.000
<v Speaker 3>He's going to miss a big chunk of the season,

0:58:10.280 --> 0:58:13.360
<v Speaker 3>maybe all the season because of his knee injuries. We

0:58:13.480 --> 0:58:17.240
<v Speaker 3>did not know that they're projected starting right tacker tackle

0:58:17.600 --> 0:58:22.160
<v Speaker 3>Taylor Moten has a blood clot issue, and the Panthers,

0:58:22.200 --> 0:58:26.840
<v Speaker 3>after this was initially reported, clarified that they're hopeful he

0:58:26.880 --> 0:58:30.480
<v Speaker 3>could return at some point mid season. But that has

0:58:30.560 --> 0:58:34.080
<v Speaker 3>been a real lynchpin for their entire team. And suddenly

0:58:34.160 --> 0:58:35.960
<v Speaker 3>it's one thing if you're down one tackle and then

0:58:35.960 --> 0:58:38.880
<v Speaker 3>he draft a player in Monroe Freeling in the first

0:58:38.920 --> 0:58:41.520
<v Speaker 3>round to maybe help fill the gap, it's another thing

0:58:41.600 --> 0:58:45.520
<v Speaker 3>you're now down two tackles with Taylor Moten out for

0:58:45.560 --> 0:58:45.920
<v Speaker 3>a while.

0:58:46.080 --> 0:58:48.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean Freeling's gonna have to play right away.

0:58:48.240 --> 0:58:49.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean Moten. I think they're saying the blood clot

0:58:49.880 --> 0:58:51.760
<v Speaker 2>could be near as long. That's a dangerous thing. So

0:58:51.800 --> 0:58:53.280
<v Speaker 2>he's gonna have to go on blood thinners and this

0:58:53.320 --> 0:58:55.040
<v Speaker 2>and net. We know you get cut and things like

0:58:55.080 --> 0:58:57.680
<v Speaker 2>that in the NFL, So best of luck to him

0:58:57.680 --> 0:59:00.480
<v Speaker 2>getting healthy. But these are big blows. I mean, this

0:59:00.560 --> 0:59:02.720
<v Speaker 2>is something you have to form a certain type of

0:59:02.760 --> 0:59:05.880
<v Speaker 2>pocket with a short quarterback who's not an evasive type

0:59:05.880 --> 0:59:08.160
<v Speaker 2>of guys, not Kyler Murray that you know, Bryce Young

0:59:08.160 --> 0:59:12.000
<v Speaker 2>we're talking about. So you know, these are tough blows.

0:59:12.840 --> 0:59:15.680
<v Speaker 2>We'll see how they adjust. A good thing is you

0:59:15.800 --> 0:59:19.440
<v Speaker 2>know now, so you can plan schemes see if somebody

0:59:19.480 --> 0:59:22.280
<v Speaker 2>comes available that you want to add, but depth wise

0:59:22.360 --> 0:59:25.440
<v Speaker 2>and just frontline talent wise, this is not what the

0:59:25.440 --> 0:59:28.840
<v Speaker 2>Carolina Panthers need, you know, especially playing in a division

0:59:28.840 --> 0:59:30.360
<v Speaker 2>where you got some guys you can get after.

0:59:30.160 --> 0:59:34.280
<v Speaker 3>The I doubt they knew before the draft, but we

0:59:34.320 --> 0:59:37.720
<v Speaker 3>could try to find that out because Monroe Feeling was

0:59:37.720 --> 0:59:39.880
<v Speaker 3>a little bit of a surprise pick there in the

0:59:39.880 --> 0:59:42.480
<v Speaker 3>first round. But now they do have two guys in

0:59:42.600 --> 0:59:45.840
<v Speaker 3>Rashid Walker who they picked up in free agency for Packers,

0:59:45.880 --> 0:59:48.280
<v Speaker 3>who has his own injury issues, who you would assume

0:59:48.360 --> 0:59:50.320
<v Speaker 3>is going to slot in at left tackle, and then

0:59:50.360 --> 0:59:53.640
<v Speaker 3>the first round pick at right tackle, and Freeling that

0:59:53.680 --> 0:59:57.000
<v Speaker 3>you at least have options there where most teams would

0:59:57.000 --> 0:59:58.520
<v Speaker 3>not in terms of their fourth tackle.

0:59:58.640 --> 1:00:00.360
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I was hot. I know that some of the

1:00:00.360 --> 1:00:02.400
<v Speaker 5>stuff on Freeling was like, oh, he could use a

1:00:02.440 --> 1:00:04.320
<v Speaker 5>year to develop whatever. I was pretty high on him

1:00:04.360 --> 1:00:06.480
<v Speaker 5>as someone who could play right away, who I thought

1:00:06.480 --> 1:00:09.680
<v Speaker 5>would win that job against Rashid Waker. But it's like

1:00:09.720 --> 1:00:11.920
<v Speaker 5>you at least wanted the opportunity to compete for it

1:00:12.240 --> 1:00:15.040
<v Speaker 5>without that pressure right of Hey, now you're going to

1:00:15.120 --> 1:00:17.640
<v Speaker 5>have to go in right away. This seems to me.

1:00:17.760 --> 1:00:19.880
<v Speaker 5>I don't know this is not reported info, but this

1:00:19.880 --> 1:00:21.680
<v Speaker 5>seems to me like something that gets picked up in

1:00:21.680 --> 1:00:25.560
<v Speaker 5>those physicals right they're taking before camp. It's a real bummer.

1:00:25.840 --> 1:00:29.520
<v Speaker 5>Like I covered Taylor Moten early in my beat writing career,

1:00:30.280 --> 1:00:34.440
<v Speaker 5>really really good dude, and just like a stalwart for

1:00:34.480 --> 1:00:37.720
<v Speaker 5>them who's been through so much with that organization, through

1:00:38.160 --> 1:00:42.920
<v Speaker 5>ownership changes and multiple front office changes and multiple coaching

1:00:43.000 --> 1:00:46.040
<v Speaker 5>changes and has always been their iron man. For something

1:00:46.120 --> 1:00:50.560
<v Speaker 5>like this to take him down is really really upsetting, frankly.

1:00:50.760 --> 1:00:53.520
<v Speaker 4>And we've seen Christian Barmore for the Patriots as an

1:00:53.560 --> 1:00:56.000
<v Speaker 4>example of a player that came back from blood clots

1:00:56.080 --> 1:00:57.160
<v Speaker 4>and played well last year.

1:00:57.240 --> 1:01:02.680
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, happy betrayals, but just get wet soon, get

1:01:02.680 --> 1:01:05.200
<v Speaker 3>well Taylor Moten, and I should have mentioned Jacoby Brissett.

1:01:05.200 --> 1:01:09.120
<v Speaker 3>According to reports, it hasn't been confirmed Wednesday, but the

1:01:09.600 --> 1:01:12.000
<v Speaker 3>expectation was he was going to show up to training camp,

1:01:12.040 --> 1:01:14.040
<v Speaker 3>but he was not going to hit that right out

1:01:14.200 --> 1:01:17.080
<v Speaker 3>and so as a hold in so they will see

1:01:17.720 --> 1:01:20.240
<v Speaker 3>this sounds like one to me that could get solved

1:01:20.280 --> 1:01:23.160
<v Speaker 3>by like the first day or or the second day,

1:01:23.240 --> 1:01:26.720
<v Speaker 3>you would hope. So a couple of contracts that got

1:01:26.760 --> 1:01:31.520
<v Speaker 3>signed recently. Jordan Brooks got that money from the Dolphins.

1:01:31.600 --> 1:01:34.800
<v Speaker 3>Three years fifty one million dollars, thirty five million dollars

1:01:34.800 --> 1:01:38.160
<v Speaker 3>guaranteed on a three year deal. So what a success

1:01:38.200 --> 1:01:41.120
<v Speaker 3>story for a guy who early in his career in Seattle.

1:01:41.680 --> 1:01:43.040
<v Speaker 4>We were like, is they didn't know.

1:01:43.040 --> 1:01:45.320
<v Speaker 2>What to do with it with an INTI guy and outside, yeah, is.

1:01:45.320 --> 1:01:49.400
<v Speaker 3>It gonna work. Great job by the Dolphins getting himlocked up.

1:01:49.400 --> 1:01:52.400
<v Speaker 3>And then Devonte Wyatt, the defensive tackle. This one surprised me.

1:01:52.440 --> 1:01:55.880
<v Speaker 3>Three years, fifty seven million dollar extension, twenty million dollar

1:01:56.120 --> 1:01:57.000
<v Speaker 3>signing bonus.

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<v Speaker 4>There.

1:01:57.440 --> 1:02:00.480
<v Speaker 3>I know you you you know have talked about Brooks

1:02:00.560 --> 1:02:02.720
<v Speaker 3>is one of the weight bearing wall, weight bearing walls

1:02:02.720 --> 1:02:05.000
<v Speaker 3>of their sprint rebuild, and they put their money where

1:02:05.000 --> 1:02:05.480
<v Speaker 3>their mouth is.

1:02:05.520 --> 1:02:08.120
<v Speaker 5>I am starting, I'm clocking this. It's on my radar

1:02:08.600 --> 1:02:11.960
<v Speaker 5>that they're being very adamant that they're calling them pillars

1:02:12.520 --> 1:02:14.720
<v Speaker 5>in Miami, not weight bearing walls. I do think that

1:02:14.800 --> 1:02:17.520
<v Speaker 5>pillars just makes you feel a little bit better about yourself,

1:02:17.560 --> 1:02:19.400
<v Speaker 5>like body wise, probably.

1:02:19.080 --> 1:02:20.560
<v Speaker 4>You don't want to just copy the rams, you want

1:02:20.600 --> 1:02:21.080
<v Speaker 4>to get better.

1:02:21.240 --> 1:02:21.479
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 5>So, and honestly, like, look, I understand, like this is

1:02:26.160 --> 1:02:30.040
<v Speaker 5>a exorbitant, historic amount of dead money, not just this year,

1:02:30.040 --> 1:02:32.480
<v Speaker 5>but some of it spread into next year. It's almost impossible.

1:02:32.680 --> 1:02:34.880
<v Speaker 5>I get that. All I'm saying is, this is how

1:02:35.000 --> 1:02:38.480
<v Speaker 5>a sprint rebuild works. This is very expected. It is

1:02:38.880 --> 1:02:41.760
<v Speaker 5>to me. They have a plan. They're following that plan,

1:02:41.960 --> 1:02:44.800
<v Speaker 5>whether it works or not. I personally am higher on

1:02:44.800 --> 1:02:47.640
<v Speaker 5>the Dolphins than most, not at the beginning of this year,

1:02:47.680 --> 1:02:50.480
<v Speaker 5>but by the end of this year and into next year.

1:02:51.000 --> 1:02:53.680
<v Speaker 5>And I just think that it just makes all of

1:02:53.720 --> 1:02:54.800
<v Speaker 5>this makes a lot of sense. You're one of the

1:02:54.840 --> 1:02:57.000
<v Speaker 5>best players in the league right now on that side

1:02:57.000 --> 1:02:59.640
<v Speaker 5>of the ball. And he also is certainly someone who

1:02:59.840 --> 1:03:02.320
<v Speaker 5>he is going to be a bridge with their young

1:03:02.440 --> 1:03:05.680
<v Speaker 5>linebackers that they just drafted. It's like Jacob Rodriguez and

1:03:05.720 --> 1:03:09.160
<v Speaker 5>then I forget his name Lewis, and I forget Lewis

1:03:09.160 --> 1:03:11.360
<v Speaker 5>and and there they are going to play early.

1:03:11.680 --> 1:03:12.400
<v Speaker 2>Lewis a good player.

1:03:12.480 --> 1:03:14.800
<v Speaker 4>Yes, so by the way, you're not going to see

1:03:14.840 --> 1:03:15.840
<v Speaker 4>him in the new assistant But it.

1:03:15.760 --> 1:03:18.000
<v Speaker 2>Comes to the Dolphins, I'm most When you say you're

1:03:18.040 --> 1:03:20.480
<v Speaker 2>higher on it, I'm most You're most.

1:03:22.040 --> 1:03:24.600
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, well, I noticed you're talking about building the pocket

1:03:24.600 --> 1:03:26.640
<v Speaker 5>around the quarterback with the two tackles that kind of

1:03:26.680 --> 1:03:29.200
<v Speaker 5>I mean, you're looking at our pocket right here around Greg. Oh, yeah,

1:03:29.240 --> 1:03:31.320
<v Speaker 5>we got a pretty solid one. We got a pretty

1:03:31.320 --> 1:03:31.680
<v Speaker 5>solid one.

1:03:31.720 --> 1:03:34.840
<v Speaker 3>I mean, yeah, you're looking more. I trying to think

1:03:34.880 --> 1:03:37.960
<v Speaker 3>of like Andrew Whitworth over there next to me with

1:03:38.000 --> 1:03:38.520
<v Speaker 3>the what.

1:03:38.520 --> 1:03:39.440
<v Speaker 4>Do I look like? Greg?

1:03:40.000 --> 1:03:41.680
<v Speaker 5>Just kidding, don't answer that.

1:03:42.560 --> 1:03:43.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I won't answer that.

1:03:43.640 --> 1:03:45.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm a little surprised Avaunt whye who I didn't think

1:03:45.680 --> 1:03:47.160
<v Speaker 3>you know it was injury plague last year.

1:03:47.200 --> 1:03:48.360
<v Speaker 4>There was a lot of money for him.

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<v Speaker 3>You do you do sometimes wonder about, you know, the

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<v Speaker 3>the extra edge you get when your GM wants to

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<v Speaker 3>be proven right.

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<v Speaker 2>Some of it is also how to just help our

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<v Speaker 2>locker room. You got a good player, want to build

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<v Speaker 2>around and the show that if you go through it

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<v Speaker 2>and you do it the right way, we're gonna pay you.

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<v Speaker 2>Other guys look at it, and I think that's another

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<v Speaker 2>Jordan Brooks thing as well.

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<v Speaker 3>They've they've spent money on a lot of players over

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<v Speaker 3>the years, and sometimes it's been re signings on guys

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<v Speaker 3>that were just okay. You know Goda Kunstant and all

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<v Speaker 3>the resources he spent on that defense over the years,

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<v Speaker 3>just to be Okay, Sam Laporta was cleared for training camp.

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<v Speaker 4>That was great, huge news for the Lions.

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<v Speaker 3>And yet I mentioned that the Seahawks are showing up

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<v Speaker 3>this week and the Patriots are a little earlier, so

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<v Speaker 3>we're already getting these like pup lists. I get a

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<v Speaker 3>little tingle when I see the reports. I don't want

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<v Speaker 3>anyone to go on a on a pup list, but

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just saying, like, Okay, now it's happening.

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<v Speaker 4>Zach Sharboney started.

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<v Speaker 2>But then the nick Emon Warry one, get your attention.

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<v Speaker 3>Nick Eman worry, got my attention. Harold Landry for the

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<v Speaker 3>Patriots was another one. Sharbonay is one when it comes

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<v Speaker 3>to the Seahawks, though, I did think it was interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>Our insider Ian Rappaport said, the Devin Witherspoon contract extension,

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<v Speaker 3>he believes much closer.

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<v Speaker 4>They're working very hard on it. Then a Christian Gonzales extension.

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<v Speaker 2>Same agency. Yeah, but we'll see. See. I don't wants

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<v Speaker 2>to get it done.

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<v Speaker 4>It sounds like they're kind of racing to make that

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<v Speaker 4>thing happen.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, and who at least one side is racing to

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<v Speaker 5>see what the other guy gets. They can try to ask.

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<v Speaker 3>For more well, I would imagine, and I could be wrong,

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<v Speaker 3>that Christian Gonzales is one going to be in the

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<v Speaker 3>Patrick stan neighborhood, whereas Witherspoon might get that slot discount.

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<v Speaker 2>They're both thirty million dollars range. It's as Gardner contracts

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<v Speaker 2>at the bar.

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<v Speaker 3>Chris Bell went to the reserve NFI list. That was

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<v Speaker 3>a Day three pick that I really loved from the

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<v Speaker 3>Miami Dolphins. So yeah, these transactions are already starting.

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<v Speaker 2>That's why.

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<v Speaker 4>Going he said, No, I like need some Chris Bell.

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<v Speaker 4>He's coming off. That's no surprise.

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<v Speaker 3>The Seahawks, by the way, will be the hard knocks

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<v Speaker 3>team this year, so who knows. We might have a

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<v Speaker 3>Devin Witherspoon hold in or contract signing as one of

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<v Speaker 3>the stories there.

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<v Speaker 4>And then you know before we go.

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<v Speaker 3>Just I like to say goodbye to these players when

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<v Speaker 3>they retire and not forget about them. How about Niko Autry.

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<v Speaker 3>Good NFL career, great NFL career if you if you

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<v Speaker 3>think about where he came from and everything, but always

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<v Speaker 3>an underrated player. He is retiring, So happy trails to

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<v Speaker 3>Deniko are happy trails?

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<v Speaker 4>How many years was he in the NFL?

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<v Speaker 3>A twenty fourteen draft pick uh twelve, East Mississippi Community College,

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<v Speaker 3>and then.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I think the city hard knocks you about

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<v Speaker 2>the hard knock. Was it the last chance? Was he?

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<v Speaker 2>I think East Mississippi was the last ancies.

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<v Speaker 4>But yeah, he started with the Raiders, Colts, Titans, Texans.

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<v Speaker 4>So that's it for didn't Nico Autry And that's it

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<v Speaker 4>for the news. We're just we're just sprinkling a little

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<v Speaker 4>bit of news right now. You know what else we've

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<v Speaker 4>been sprinkling in our timeline over the last careful New

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<v Speaker 4>year or so. Power Players with Jordan rod Rieg. We

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<v Speaker 4>got another episode coming on Thursday. Who do you got

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<v Speaker 4>so excited?

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<v Speaker 5>We've got Ram's assistant general manager, John McKay. We're going

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<v Speaker 5>to talk a little bit about what they do differently,

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<v Speaker 5>what's copyable, what's not copyable around the league in terms

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<v Speaker 5>of their scouting and talent identification process. We're going to

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<v Speaker 5>talk some Miles Garrett behind the scenes, might tuck a

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<v Speaker 5>little Aaron Donald. Okay, well, we'll see.

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<v Speaker 3>So that will be our show on Thursday, and then

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<v Speaker 3>Jordan and I will be back on Friday with the

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<v Speaker 3>first of our around the Division previews, starting with the

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<v Speaker 3>a f C West and we'll also hit any news

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<v Speaker 3>that pops up.

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<v Speaker 4>Hit that music. Eric, Let's get on.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh my gosh, this was so fun today, guys.

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<v Speaker 2>How about this has been to call from one of

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<v Speaker 2>my favorite baseball players of all time.

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<v Speaker 3>I saw that Vince Coleman is calling Steve Weiss right now,

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<v Speaker 3>and I'm like, is it that Vince Coleman's steals one?

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<v Speaker 3>Steve Weiss is the best? Thank you Steve for joining us.

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<v Speaker 3>We'll have your next time on QB Island until bet

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<v Speaker 3>We'll see