1 00:00:03,279 --> 00:00:07,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast, an NFL podcast for 2 00:00:07,880 --> 00:00:12,799 Speaker 1: the players, by the players. Here is your host, four 3 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:16,240 Speaker 1: team year NFL veteran and Hall of Famer Enius Williams. 4 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 1: Welcome to the NFL Legends Podcast. I'm a Nius Williams man. 5 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:27,479 Speaker 1: I feel like dancing. Why because we're here at the 6 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: NFL Network and Dion Sanders his room and we're just 7 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: talking about unfinished business. Now what they've the car the 8 00:00:37,200 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: Bulldog Fresnel Bulldogs and also a Hall of Famer La 9 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:45,800 Speaker 1: Danian Tomlinson, both playing eleven years. Man, So glad to 10 00:00:45,840 --> 00:00:49,599 Speaker 1: have you guys allowing us to intrude and Dion Sanders 11 00:00:49,680 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: is house their pictures all over. I just feel like 12 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: having that. Jerry Curl, I feel like relaxing and we're 13 00:00:57,760 --> 00:01:01,520 Speaker 1: just talking about unfinished business. We want to talk about 14 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:06,199 Speaker 1: those feelings that it's almost as if we haven't done 15 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:09,759 Speaker 1: everything yet. It's like we've left some things on the 16 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: field and there's so many players, uh that can relate 17 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: to that. Let's talk about it. Both you guys played 18 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: eleven man, that's like twenty in dog years, right, but 19 00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:23,400 Speaker 1: when he's when we have some guys that played lonely 20 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:26,360 Speaker 1: years still seem like unfinished business. You have some guys 21 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 1: played a short amount of games unfinished business they we 22 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 1: have some man, I've just gotten on the super Bowl. 23 00:01:33,319 --> 00:01:35,520 Speaker 1: So it's all it seems like there's always some kind 24 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,959 Speaker 1: of hang up that keep us from transitioning with peace. 25 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,560 Speaker 1: How have you guys done it? La Damien? That's a 26 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:47,639 Speaker 1: really good question. Um. I think for me, when I entered, 27 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:51,360 Speaker 1: um the NFL, entered into the NFL, I kind of 28 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,760 Speaker 1: had a number in mind of how many years I'm 29 00:01:53,760 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: wanted to play? Where'd you get that? That just was intuitive? Yeah, 30 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:01,280 Speaker 1: It's just you know, always always under stood that, um, 31 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: you know, football was for a short period like that 32 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 1: wasn't my purpose. You know, I was gifted with with 33 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:10,120 Speaker 1: a talent to you know, play the game and you 34 00:02:10,160 --> 00:02:12,520 Speaker 1: know do some one of wonderful things for my family 35 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 1: and provide for my family like no one ever has. 36 00:02:15,840 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: But I also understood that there was life out the football. 37 00:02:18,320 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 1: I understand that, stood that at an early age, you know, 38 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: But what did you get that? Well? I think, uh, 39 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 1: I think family, you know, like having having you know, 40 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:35,400 Speaker 1: a mother that was instrumental and advising me in different situations. 41 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: You know, um, and also from from experiences with other guys. 42 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:43,200 Speaker 1: You know, guys that when I first got into the 43 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: league that was going through certain things. I remember I 44 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: came into the league and Junior say, I was in 45 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 1: the locker room Rodney Harrison, Doug Flutie, Curtis Conway, you know, 46 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: and so I would hear these are the guys that 47 00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,440 Speaker 1: I got with. You know, I wanted to know what 48 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,080 Speaker 1: kept them in the league for so on, and so, 49 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: you know, having that experience with all these different guys, 50 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:08,120 Speaker 1: it kind of form my own vision of what I 51 00:03:08,160 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 1: want to get out of this game. How would you 52 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 1: encourage today's athlete? I'll come in the second, David, today's 53 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:18,800 Speaker 1: athlete who may hear this podcast. So today's player who 54 00:03:18,880 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: don't necessarily go to the guys that have experienced the game. 55 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:25,360 Speaker 1: It's kind of like it's almost like they do it 56 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: on their own and they learn from their own experiences. 57 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:31,400 Speaker 1: Why were you humble enough? I don't know if to 58 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: use that word, but what what what happened with you 59 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: to make you feel to go to these guys and 60 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: listen to them. I think it's upbringing. Honestly, it's coming 61 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:49,800 Speaker 1: from humble beginnings. Understanding that, Um, you know you need 62 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: others on this journey of just life. You know you 63 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: need you know others. And I remember one of the 64 00:03:56,800 --> 00:04:00,240 Speaker 1: things that I would always hear growing up is, UM, 65 00:04:00,480 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: learn from the older folks. You know, they have been 66 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: down that role and they have the wisdom and the 67 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: greatest thing that you can have on your journeys, wisdom. 68 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: And so I've always heard that growing up, and I 69 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 1: guess so I was always humble enough to to go 70 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 1: to people and and ask for advice. UM. Where there 71 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: was a coach, uh, teammate, it didn't matter. If I 72 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 1: felt like you can better my journey, then I humbled 73 00:04:29,360 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: myself to come ask for advice. What about you, David? 74 00:04:33,640 --> 00:04:36,440 Speaker 1: I think listening to LT, it's clear that he had 75 00:04:36,480 --> 00:04:39,839 Speaker 1: good family, good good people around him give him good direction. 76 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: A lot of guys that I played with, they didn't 77 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,279 Speaker 1: have that, right UM. I'd say the majority of guys 78 00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: that I played with college and in the NFL, they 79 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: were on their own. They're either they had you know, 80 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 1: if they even if they had a single mother, she 81 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: was doing as good as she as she could do. UM. 82 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 1: But a lot of times it didn't get sound advice 83 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: and I think that they got into the NFL, and 84 00:04:59,800 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: when they got there, everyone that has always been around 85 00:05:03,160 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: them but only told them they're worth was all football. 86 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:08,320 Speaker 1: The only thing that they're worth anything for is because 87 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:10,880 Speaker 1: you can play the game. Obviously, that wasn't all LT 88 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: hurt at home. UM, so he knew that he had 89 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 1: a number of mine. When he's done, he's gonna be done. 90 00:05:14,800 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: And I'm good with that. And I think a lot 91 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:17,720 Speaker 1: of guys have a hard time with that because their 92 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: identities just wrapped up in the in the NFL and 93 00:05:19,760 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 1: what they do for that small chunk of time. So 94 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: if I gets hurt in year two and his whole 95 00:05:23,640 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: identity is wrapped up and be an NFL football player, 96 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:27,360 Speaker 1: what are you gonna do for the next sixty years 97 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: of your life? And I think that's where a lot 98 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: of guys get in trouble. Um. And so I was 99 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: fortunate enough also to have a great family at home. Um, 100 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:36,359 Speaker 1: I was blessed enough to be able to play football 101 00:05:36,360 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: for eleven years. I mean when I was growing up, 102 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: I was a little guy. When I was a freshman 103 00:05:40,560 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 1: high school as five four, I didn't think I was 104 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 1: ever going to play in the NFL. So eleven years, 105 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 1: barely a hundred pounds. Like they had weights in my 106 00:05:47,880 --> 00:05:49,320 Speaker 1: tights so I could make sure I could get to 107 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: the weight to play in the eighth grade. I couldn't 108 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:52,600 Speaker 1: even play on the eighth grade football tea because I 109 00:05:52,640 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: don't wigh enough. So it was really interesting beginning for me, 110 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:57,880 Speaker 1: and so for me to be able to play at all, 111 00:05:57,880 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 1: it was awesome. And uh and now my other gets 112 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: to play, and so our family has been very blessed. 113 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: But I think that even if you talk to Derek, 114 00:06:04,240 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: he would say the same thing. Our identity is not 115 00:06:05,680 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: wrapped up and being able to play football. So that 116 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 1: makes the transition after football very easy because we just 117 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 1: go into the next part of our life. We go 118 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: on and try and do things through the networking that 119 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,440 Speaker 1: we've done, through the relationships that we've made through football. 120 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,799 Speaker 1: And I know people on every football team, college football team, 121 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 1: NFL team I coached, or I played with guys that 122 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 1: are coaching. I've I've played with guys that are coaching 123 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: in the NFL level and the college level, and so 124 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,920 Speaker 1: it's it's a fantastic um fantastic fraternity. I think Lt'll 125 00:06:32,920 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: tell you that's it's awesome. So it's a blessing, but 126 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 1: you can't let it be all encompassing what your life is. 127 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: You have to you have to, you know, have have 128 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: something that grounds you, whether it's your faith or your family, 129 00:06:43,080 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: or a goal in life or where you want to 130 00:06:45,040 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: get to that can kind of take you out of 131 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 1: that and into the next realm. Were you guys always 132 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: at peace? But the transition? How? What? What was that like? Was? 133 00:06:53,720 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: I mean I was always at peace? I mean because 134 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: after my eleventhier, and you know, it's funny because the 135 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,640 Speaker 1: whole year I kind of had the thought and really 136 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:06,240 Speaker 1: the perspective like this is it, Like this is gonna 137 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,279 Speaker 1: be the last year. And as the season went on, 138 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 1: I would count down eight weeks left, you know, I 139 00:07:11,880 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: got eight more games, you know, just you just knew it. Yeah, 140 00:07:15,920 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: well I didn't know for sure, but I knew it. 141 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: You know, it was kind of starting to build. And 142 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: I'll tell you what happened. Probably was coming down to 143 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:26,679 Speaker 1: the last three or four games and we were away 144 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 1: on the trip and I just had my my second child, 145 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 1: and both of my kids were babies at the time, 146 00:07:34,560 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 1: you know, maybe two and one. And I called my 147 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: wife one day and I said, Hey, what are you 148 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: guys doing today? She said, Oh, I got the kids 149 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 1: were at the museum, and it was the first time 150 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: that I didn't want to be on the road trip. 151 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: I wanted to deal with my family. So that that 152 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:53,360 Speaker 1: re affirmed that. Okay, you know, like and then, so 153 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: what happened is the last game, I walked off the field. 154 00:07:56,440 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: You know, I feel good about it, but then you know, 155 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: you have that thought. Rex Ryan called the next day like, hey, 156 00:08:01,520 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: we gotta get you back, like you need to come back, 157 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,239 Speaker 1: Let's finish this, and you started get the feelings again. 158 00:08:06,520 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 1: You know what, maybe I'm not done. But you know 159 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: I took the time over two months after that to 160 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: really meditate. And I'm a spiritual person, so I had 161 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 1: to understand what God wanted for me like this next 162 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 1: was it? Was I done? Or was he telling me 163 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 1: it's time to move on? And so it took me 164 00:08:24,880 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: two months just meditating and praying on if this is 165 00:08:28,280 --> 00:08:31,520 Speaker 1: the right decision, but and and talking to gods like 166 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:33,840 Speaker 1: Scott Turner, who has been a great mentor to me 167 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:38,920 Speaker 1: about this transition. It all came back to it's time. 168 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,840 Speaker 1: It's time to move on, and I was at peace. Yeah, 169 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: it's kind of interesting. Like you talked about your family. 170 00:08:45,280 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 1: My my kids are actually a little bit older my 171 00:08:47,679 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 1: oldest one. We so we got married. I got married 172 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 1: in college, and then we had my first son my 173 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: last year in college. And so when I was getting 174 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:58,199 Speaker 1: towards the end um in my last year, when I 175 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 1: left the Giants, uh, get a couple of phone calls. 176 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: But we we would go from where we were during 177 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,160 Speaker 1: the season, we would leave after the season, go back 178 00:09:06,160 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: home to California. And my kids were in school in 179 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: two different places, and he was about to start high school, 180 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: and so I was like, well, I want to take 181 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:13,680 Speaker 1: my son out of his freshman year in high school 182 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: and then come back and bring him in in the 183 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 1: spring and have him do that. Like how long is 184 00:09:18,200 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: this going to go on for? I mean, you can 185 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: be a backup quarterback in the NFL for twenty years. 186 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,640 Speaker 1: You could really just continue to do that, right, I 187 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:27,360 Speaker 1: mean it's really you can if you just completion guys 188 00:09:27,440 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: like this, it's super easy. But at some point I 189 00:09:30,480 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: had to say, you know what, I can't do this 190 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: to my kids. My family has got to start now 191 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: and then and then so that's what I finally made 192 00:09:35,240 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 1: a decision where I said, no more workouts. I'm not 193 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:38,760 Speaker 1: going out to see anybody. Thank you for the opportunity. 194 00:09:38,760 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 1: I appreciate it, but I'm just gonna go on TV 195 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:45,120 Speaker 1: and talk about you guys. Now, what what advice would 196 00:09:45,160 --> 00:09:48,240 Speaker 1: you give the legends that didn't necessarily have that peaceful you? 197 00:09:48,760 --> 00:09:51,520 Speaker 1: You know, they still grappling with you. Get the guy 198 00:09:51,559 --> 00:09:55,120 Speaker 1: that's still working out. Yeah, yeah, still working out. Man, 199 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: I'm waiting on a call. We have we have that legend. Oh, 200 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 1: we have the legend that's transition. No, he won't play anymore, 201 00:10:01,600 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: but for some reason has not been able to just 202 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: come at come to grips and have peace. By however 203 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: has turned out Yeah, with wisdom, would you know? I 204 00:10:11,040 --> 00:10:13,559 Speaker 1: mean just me personally, I mean those are the kind 205 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 1: of guys that I mean I'd love to be around more, 206 00:10:15,880 --> 00:10:18,679 Speaker 1: um because you know, and LT spoke about a little bit. 207 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: But I'm spiritual as well. I mean, God has a 208 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:22,559 Speaker 1: plan for your life and it's not necessarily just to 209 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,680 Speaker 1: play football for four years and then have nothing to do. 210 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: There's something that he's gonna Here's a position that he's 211 00:10:28,360 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 1: looking to put you into. And with all your experience, 212 00:10:31,120 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 1: even if you play a year in the NFL. So 213 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: many young kids and people would love to be around 214 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: a guy that just played one year in the NFL. 215 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:40,240 Speaker 1: So whether it's coaching, like go back and coach, go back, 216 00:10:40,280 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: you can still be around the game. You don't necessarily 217 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:43,680 Speaker 1: have to play and beat your head up and beat 218 00:10:43,679 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: your body up. You can still be around the game. 219 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,520 Speaker 1: I still coach with my son's high school football team. 220 00:10:47,520 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: When I came back and I was done, my brother 221 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:52,960 Speaker 1: is actually the head coach at Derek's old high school, 222 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:54,280 Speaker 1: and I was like, well, I'm gonna call the place 223 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 1: for your brooks. I'm not gonna sit in the stand. 224 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: There's another Yeah, there's another coaching And I was like, 225 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna call a place because I'm just gonna 226 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 1: be screaming stuff from the stands, you know, down here, 227 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:05,000 Speaker 1: somebody down there. So that's kind of kept me in 228 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,080 Speaker 1: it too, and it's been fun. So there's a lot 229 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: of ways to to get out that that competitive side 230 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:12,200 Speaker 1: and those juices that when you wake up, like else 231 00:11:12,240 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: he's talking about, you get a call from Rex Ryan, Okay, 232 00:11:14,280 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: maybe I do need to still do this. There's still 233 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:18,640 Speaker 1: ways to get that out. But then to kind of 234 00:11:18,640 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: still transition into the rest of your life. I like that, David. 235 00:11:22,960 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 1: You know, I think it's all about really finding your 236 00:11:25,480 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: other passions in life, um and and and really um 237 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: gravitating towards those passions, whatever that is. And I think 238 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 1: a lot of times we do get caught up thinking, 239 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: you know, my passion was football and on Sundays and 240 00:11:40,679 --> 00:11:42,920 Speaker 1: you know, going to flying down there, hitting people and 241 00:11:42,920 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: scoring touchdowns. But but there are so many other things 242 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:50,200 Speaker 1: we just got to tap into it. I think because 243 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,680 Speaker 1: most of our lives playing football is so structured when 244 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 1: we do things at the time of the year, and 245 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:00,480 Speaker 1: when I think about my football career, it really was 246 00:12:00,640 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: took place over the course of about twenty five years. 247 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 1: When you think about it, every single year you're doing 248 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: the same thing, and so it's easy to get caught 249 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 1: up in the mindset of this is my passion, this 250 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:12,679 Speaker 1: is what it's all about, this is what I do. 251 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: But then finding those other passions. It's very important for 252 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,199 Speaker 1: the transition for any of us. And like David said, 253 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,680 Speaker 1: me coaching my son, he's playing flag football and and 254 00:12:23,679 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: and being there and you know, just educating him on 255 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:31,640 Speaker 1: what the game is truly about. Learning to to work 256 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,760 Speaker 1: with others. It's a team game, respecting each other, working hard. 257 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,840 Speaker 1: Some of the values that that we learned, um that 258 00:12:39,960 --> 00:12:43,640 Speaker 1: we learned playing the game, pass it on and at 259 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: the end of the day, I've always lived like this. 260 00:12:46,920 --> 00:12:50,959 Speaker 1: I've always told people. You know, people may remember the touchdowns, 261 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 1: the records for a little while, maybe years years go by, 262 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: they still remember. But the impact that I can have 263 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: on someone in my community, touching them, making them believe 264 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 1: that they can, that they can overcome obstacles, that's true 265 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: to me. That's what life is about, and that's what 266 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,199 Speaker 1: fulfills me. At the end of the day. Are there 267 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:15,400 Speaker 1: any regrets, any potential regrets of that we all can 268 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: have some. Are there any you were able to redirect 269 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:23,040 Speaker 1: or recategorize? So my my dad another statement my dad makes, 270 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:26,880 Speaker 1: He says, uh, it's not what people don't know that 271 00:13:26,960 --> 00:13:29,400 Speaker 1: hurt them, is what they do know. That's not true. 272 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 1: In other words, when a person is attempting to define 273 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: how their career was or I was with the Cardinals, 274 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: we only went to the playoffs one year out of 275 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:43,520 Speaker 1: the tent. So the naysayers and even the even other 276 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:45,680 Speaker 1: players would say, oh man, you know, really in the 277 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 1: League and all those kind of things. Can you imagine 278 00:13:47,800 --> 00:13:51,280 Speaker 1: me all of a sudden now being dissatisfied. I'm on 279 00:13:51,280 --> 00:13:54,320 Speaker 1: one of them, one of the thirty two teams. I'm 280 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: living one of the things I dreamed about and all 281 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 1: of a sudden because of something out of my control. 282 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: Because football, as you guys, and there was ultimate team sports. 283 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:04,040 Speaker 1: You could do your best and it's still not goes 284 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: so well. But the measure has to be we do 285 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: our best. So part of the I guess the question 286 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:14,640 Speaker 1: I'm asking, have you had to recategorize something like instead 287 00:14:14,679 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 1: of saying, well, y'all losers, No, I work hard, we 288 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: haven't won as many games. I'm in the National Football 289 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 1: League and other ways. Let no one take my joy 290 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,600 Speaker 1: from it as a result of not knowing how to 291 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:28,840 Speaker 1: keep something in perspective. Does that make sense? Absolutely? And 292 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: you know, I think just one way. You know, people say, oh, 293 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 1: you never won the championship. You got to two FC 294 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: you know title games, you didn't get a chance to 295 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: win a championship, And isn't that a regret? Like don't 296 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: you hate that you didn't? And I don't live with regrets. 297 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,920 Speaker 1: I don't believe that, you know, you know, the way 298 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 1: I answered that. I always say there I had a 299 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:53,520 Speaker 1: lot of championship moments, and that's what one of the 300 00:14:53,560 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 1: things that I learned from Marty Schottenheimer. When you think 301 00:14:56,360 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: about it, there are so many championship moments that that 302 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,600 Speaker 1: we lived through. Uh, in my life, we can consider 303 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: championship moments. And then I am with there was nobody 304 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:14,400 Speaker 1: that one more fantasy championships than me. But once again, 305 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: you're able to redefine it. You ever keep it in perspective? Well, yes, 306 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: for the same same reasons I say that. So ironically enough, 307 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: I went seven and nine in my in the best 308 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: year that I ever played, seven and nine. Right, She's 309 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:28,600 Speaker 1: talked about total team sport. And then the year that 310 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: I took no snaps. There's only one year where I 311 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,240 Speaker 1: did not take one snap in the entire regular season, 312 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: and that was the year that New York John's won 313 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. Right, But my best year was seven. 314 00:15:38,800 --> 00:15:41,320 Speaker 1: So that super Bowl ring is great and lt with 315 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: all the things that he did and what you clearly 316 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: deserve to have one. Right. But that's why you say 317 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 1: it's a total team sports. So when you try and 318 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: identify yourself or you look at your career and start 319 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: having regrets. It's so hard to do that in this 320 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:56,320 Speaker 1: sport because it's never just about the one person, right, 321 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: And that's why it's the greatest team sport because everyone 322 00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: is involved in your success or your failures, so you 323 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: can't get wrapped up in oh, well I didn't do 324 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: that well and I could have done this better, I 325 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: could have won more. It's not up to you in 326 00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:08,080 Speaker 1: the end. It's in the end. You can only do 327 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: your best. Like you said, you do the best to you. 328 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:12,320 Speaker 1: For me, it was seven to nine on a pretty 329 00:16:12,360 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: average football team, right, um, and then the year that 330 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: I don't take a snapp with win the Super Bowl, 331 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: So go figure. I mean, that's that's why football is 332 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 1: fantastic at the same time, and that's one of the 333 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: reasons we had these podcasts because a lot of times 334 00:16:24,360 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: you can get isolated as a player because one of 335 00:16:26,200 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: the things I've seen when god legends transition, one of 336 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 1: the unique things is, uh, they separate from the game totally. Right. 337 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: It's almost like I don't want to look at football 338 00:16:38,200 --> 00:16:40,920 Speaker 1: think I think it's it's a good anger. You know, 339 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:43,680 Speaker 1: maybe I've hot ended. I know a lot of guys 340 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: like that. A watching no more, man, I don't want 341 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: to be around it. And and you know, I think 342 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:53,880 Speaker 1: it's really the wrong way to approach because absolutely, you 343 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: know that's you've always had their love for the game. 344 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:00,520 Speaker 1: So continue to involve yourself in if you listening to 345 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 1: this and you're someone isolated by yourself when they hear 346 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,159 Speaker 1: about you, just putting perspective and my best season with 347 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: seven or nine, but I want the super Bowl, so 348 00:17:10,240 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: think about that. But so think about if you, let's 349 00:17:12,960 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 1: just say, David, all of a sudden, you made that 350 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: your boats right everywhere you go because the media, if 351 00:17:17,680 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: you don't, it's like if you don't win a chip right, 352 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 1: it's like you didn't play right right exactly, And if 353 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,880 Speaker 1: you're not careful, what guess what happened? Guys are defined 354 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,879 Speaker 1: their existence based on the perspective or someone who has 355 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:34,000 Speaker 1: never done this arduous, difficult job that we did for 356 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:36,919 Speaker 1: over ten years, all three of us, right. So I 357 00:17:36,960 --> 00:17:41,360 Speaker 1: want whoever whoever's hearing this to know, man, please put 358 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: this in perspective. And one the reason we have the 359 00:17:44,760 --> 00:17:48,840 Speaker 1: term legends from the League office is I remember we 360 00:17:48,840 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 1: were coming up with the name what we're gonna call 361 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,640 Speaker 1: it and I remember they said, we don't call it legends. 362 00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:57,639 Speaker 1: Who are any former player a legend? And when the 363 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: Hall of Famers were like, well with every player that 364 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: played a legend, what are we right? But what we 365 00:18:04,359 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 1: were saying was, man, if you played one snap at 366 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:12,800 Speaker 1: this level, your legend from your community. Right, one year 367 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:16,639 Speaker 1: you have training camp, you're the one percenter. And what 368 00:18:16,800 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 1: ends up happening because guys, maybe the players a loon. 369 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: They start thinking I'm not really just as you said, 370 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: I'm not really much. We want to remind them by 371 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:31,200 Speaker 1: calling them what they really are, your legends and your opportunity, 372 00:18:31,240 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 1: as you just said, to redefine. Now, how you going 373 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: to leverage this that they may not remember all our stats, 374 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: may not even remember David won the Super Bowl with 375 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:47,280 Speaker 1: the Giants, right, but they will remember when you call 376 00:18:47,320 --> 00:18:51,479 Speaker 1: those signals and you're helping your brother. Your children, our 377 00:18:51,560 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: children will remember the times that we put them with 378 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: them because they won't even remember our stats. My youngest 379 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:03,840 Speaker 1: daughters not even seen any plays, doesn't care what these 380 00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:08,159 Speaker 1: people make a big fuss about you the final then 381 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 1: I want to ask you, guys, how what skill sets 382 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: have you transferred from the game to how you live 383 00:19:13,560 --> 00:19:17,760 Speaker 1: in life. Now, that's help you. Yeah, I mean, um, 384 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 1: so many things. Just the time I spent with Tom 385 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 1: Coughlin was it was priceless. I mean, I still have 386 00:19:24,240 --> 00:19:26,159 Speaker 1: clocks that are five minutes fast. Like I still have 387 00:19:26,160 --> 00:19:28,120 Speaker 1: watches that I pull out of my drawer that are 388 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: five minutes ahead. And I'm like, well, I better get on, 389 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 1: I better show up because Coffin's gonna lose it, even 390 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:35,160 Speaker 1: though he's nowhere to be seen. He's in Jacksonville, he's 391 00:19:35,200 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: not in Bakershilly, California or anywhere around here. But just punctuality, 392 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:41,080 Speaker 1: hard work, anything that you put your hand to do, 393 00:19:41,119 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: you just do it with everything you can. And that's 394 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: what football. That's those are some of the best lessons 395 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 1: that you can learn from the game. There's there's so 396 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: many lessons that you can learn playing football that are 397 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: great for post football and are great for life and 398 00:19:53,880 --> 00:19:56,400 Speaker 1: raising a family. Raising a family is much like having 399 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:58,080 Speaker 1: a football team and trying to be the quarterback on 400 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 1: the football team, trying to get all these random different 401 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,119 Speaker 1: personalities all at the dinner table at the same time. 402 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: So it's a success. I mean, it's so David, he was, 403 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,480 Speaker 1: it was like I got no pun intend Yeah, I agree, 404 00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: it's like running football field a football team with a family. 405 00:20:10,640 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: I got a question for you, Yeah, are you married? 406 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: I am? Does your wife have way to talk to 407 00:20:16,880 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 1: your helmet? Right? But I can talk back. Quarterbacks would 408 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 1: never let to talk about in the side. Right now, 409 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 1: I can actually have a conversation back, So it works 410 00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: out better. It doesn't cut off though, because you know 411 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:33,800 Speaker 1: it's a certain amount of time. It goes all night. 412 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: It goes all night. What about you? You know it's 413 00:20:37,440 --> 00:20:41,320 Speaker 1: funny our echo, you know, the time management thing and 414 00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: being punctual and being on time. Because I had Marty 415 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:48,880 Speaker 1: Schottenheimer and he was just by the way. Did they 416 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:50,960 Speaker 1: ever tell you why they would like that? In other words, 417 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: did they ever tell the team? I know timeliness is 418 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 1: obviously central important, but did they ever say the reason 419 00:20:56,920 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: behind the disciplines that they required on the team. I 420 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,439 Speaker 1: think Marty kind of grew up in a military family 421 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:06,959 Speaker 1: and he has that background, and that certainly I think 422 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 1: Tom would probably be better off as a general. He 423 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: probably would have liked to lead a battalion more than 424 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,360 Speaker 1: a football team, I think, and some of the things 425 00:21:12,400 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 1: he'd bring in generals and he'd bring in military people. Um, 426 00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 1: but he really he really enjoyed that aspect of me. 427 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: He always just tell us just real quick, is uh, 428 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: the reason that I make you guys be on time 429 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: and so you show the rest of your team that 430 00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: their time is important because if you if you cruise 431 00:21:26,040 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: in late to something, you're just telling someone that's already 432 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 1: sitting in there that your time is not as important 433 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: to me. And this is a complete team effort. So 434 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: if I value your time, then I'll show up on time. 435 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So that's what he used 436 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:42,120 Speaker 1: always say. But I always when people always ask, because 437 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 1: it's an enigma. How did the Giants beat the Patriots 438 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,560 Speaker 1: right two times? In Superboat? A? One wants to do it? 439 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: In Tom Bradys they are right. And what people don't 440 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,959 Speaker 1: realize non football people that Tom was is cut from 441 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: the same cloth as Belichick. Yeah right, both them under 442 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,960 Speaker 1: part selves. So because of each of them would have 443 00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: the disciplines and understand situational discipline football. It just whoever 444 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: had the ball last in those games, because Time was 445 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: a situational master. That's all he would ever talk about. 446 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:17,959 Speaker 1: Friday and Saturday with the quarterbacks was just situational stuff. 447 00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,480 Speaker 1: You know, x's knows we're kind of out the window 448 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 1: at that point. So and then another thing about that is, 449 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: I guess how detail you kind of have to be 450 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 1: in life, but also definitely football. But Marty was so detailed. 451 00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,919 Speaker 1: I mean, he would have everybody at the beginning of 452 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: the week, when we first started Wednesday morning, the whole 453 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: team is in there. He's going through what offense needs 454 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,479 Speaker 1: to do, to the game plan, defense, special team, so 455 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: everybody knows what everybody is doing. And then again the 456 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: night before the game, like Saturday, well actually Saturday when 457 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:52,720 Speaker 1: we came in for meetings, he would then go through 458 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 1: another huge like game planning session with Okay, the game 459 00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: plan is in, this is what this team is going 460 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,959 Speaker 1: to try to do to every position, you know, offense, defense, 461 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: special teams. And so you start to understand how detail 462 00:23:07,320 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 1: you have to be to be successful, like certain things 463 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 1: like you and I went through this dealing with the media, 464 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 1: learning to talk to the media, communicate with the media. 465 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:20,040 Speaker 1: I think that it actually helped us for the job 466 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 1: we're doing that the NFL network, being able to communicate, 467 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:27,479 Speaker 1: you know, two people on camera and being comfortable on camera. 468 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: It's Uh, just think if we can remind legends to 469 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,400 Speaker 1: just go back and remember some of the experiences when 470 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 1: you play, like thinking about how it would help us 471 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: in our lives, to just think of some situational things 472 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:47,399 Speaker 1: because a lot of challenges are real current in our lives. 473 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: It is something we've seen before, you know, whether it's 474 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,680 Speaker 1: relational after the game with what the woman with players, 475 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 1: al raising children, situation a lot of times same things, right. 476 00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:02,639 Speaker 1: I like to say, man, if we can just remember 477 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 1: some of our experiences planning things out to being on time, 478 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: how much that would impact our lives because when here's 479 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 1: what I heard you say, and I heard both of 480 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: you guys when when they were talking about time management 481 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 1: and coach Coughlin, I heard when you not on time, 482 00:24:20,680 --> 00:24:23,960 Speaker 1: you've really been a selfish place, exactly right. So thinking 483 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 1: about it as a husband or father, you can't be selfish. 484 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,520 Speaker 1: You can't. And the final thing that helped me in 485 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: sports and you think it didn't matter how you felt 486 00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 1: that was the other thing. You know, it didn't matter. 487 00:24:42,840 --> 00:24:47,040 Speaker 1: You had to do your job, be prepared whether you 488 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,159 Speaker 1: felt like it or not, even on game day. I 489 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: don't know about you guys, like mean, you always felt 490 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,159 Speaker 1: it right, But what do we learn once we get 491 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,399 Speaker 1: into doing it, then those feelings on these emotions being changing. 492 00:24:57,600 --> 00:25:01,240 Speaker 1: It's crazy because the feelings emotions are not they're not reliable, 493 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,119 Speaker 1: but we still did it anyway. And those are some 494 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: of the challenges believe it or not, legends have. And 495 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,159 Speaker 1: I don't really feel like being a dad, man. I 496 00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:11,159 Speaker 1: don't really feel like it right. I don't feel like 497 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:15,080 Speaker 1: going around some other people other than my old circles. 498 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: I don't feel like it. The gyme taught us that. Man, 499 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,679 Speaker 1: you know, it's funny that you say that when you 500 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: talk about I don't feel like it. It's like the 501 00:25:23,880 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: example that I want to set for my kids. And 502 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: so they you know, they never got the chance to 503 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,600 Speaker 1: see me play om see. But now in what I 504 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 1: do making sure they understand why I go to work 505 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,360 Speaker 1: where I get up in the morning. Every morning when 506 00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,639 Speaker 1: I'm at home with those kids, I get up to 507 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:43,440 Speaker 1: cooking breakfast. I don't want to. I might come in 508 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 1: on the Red eye five o'clock in the morning and 509 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,679 Speaker 1: I tell them that they're getting in right before you 510 00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: wake up, but they see me up at seven o'clock 511 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 1: cooking and breakfast. I don't want to, but it's what 512 00:25:55,320 --> 00:25:59,680 Speaker 1: I've learned in this game, how to be dependable. And 513 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: you know, I guess it's just the way I am 514 00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: now because because of this game I've learned that. Well, well, 515 00:26:08,320 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 1: it's been great, guys, it's been awesome. Thank you for 516 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 1: taking the time and sitting down. What is David la Dainian? 517 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,240 Speaker 1: Congratulations again, Thank you on the Hall of Fame induction. 518 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 1: Great job being a big brother. I'm the youngest of 519 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: three boys, and I know what it was like. I 520 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,639 Speaker 1: never had to look outside our house for role models 521 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:30,040 Speaker 1: and I know what that's like. So appreciate the car family. 522 00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,240 Speaker 1: You got that impact on his weak name. So thank you, man. 523 00:26:33,280 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 1: I appreciate the best is yet to come. This has 524 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:42,000 Speaker 1: been the NFL Legends podcast. To provide feedback or request 525 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,440 Speaker 1: the topic for discussion, email us at NFL Legends at 526 00:26:45,560 --> 00:27:00,640 Speaker 1: NFL dot com.