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Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Game with Sarah Spain, where Lola Blue's

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Speaker 1: a weekend just wrapped, and while Doci was court side

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Speaker 1: Their bands named People are Ugly, Mary Droppins and twenty

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Speaker 1: and on today's show, we're talking to Olympic gold medalist

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Speaker 1: post gymnastics life looks like. Plus a hometown champ is

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Speaker 1: schools still have to comply with Title nine. It's all

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Speaker 1: coming up right after this welcome back slices. Here's what

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Speaker 1: you need to know today. Start with cycling Le Tour

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Speaker 1: of second place finisher Demi Voloring of the Netherlands, who

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Speaker 1: event in twenty twenty three. Faran Provo blazed a somewhat

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Speaker 1: most competitors focus on road cycling full time, she said

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Speaker 1: may have actually helped her this year, said runner up Voloring. Quote,

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Speaker 1: This Tour de France was maybe a bit more for

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Speaker 1: so never say never, end quote. To softball, following a

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Speaker 1: stellar AUSL season in which she helped the Bandits make

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Speaker 1: Bennett announced the news via a TikTok video, during which

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Speaker 1: set to some very relevant audio from the Little Rascals

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Speaker 1: to the world of college sports and specifically the athletic

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Speaker 1: department at Stephen F. Austin State University in Texas.

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Speaker 1: Back in May, the school announced it was cutting four teams,

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Speaker 1: Six female athletes subsequently filed a Title nine lawsuit, and

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Speaker 1: temporarily preventing the school from cutting the three women's teams.

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Speaker 1: In response, the school said it plans to appeal the injunction,

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Speaker 1: The lawyer for the athletes, meanwhile, argued that even when

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Speaker 2: About the case to hoops.

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Speaker 1: There are five WNBA games tonight that includes a contest

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Speaker 1: hot of late. The Fever of won five straight games,

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Speaker 1: It's Laurie Hernandez joining US now. She's a retired gymnast

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Speaker 1: She's a member of the New Jersey Hall of Fame,

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Speaker 2: It's Laurie Hernandez.

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Speaker 3: Hi, Laurie, Oh my goodness, what an intro. Hello, thanks

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Speaker 1: I have not read that book yet, but according to

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Speaker 3: It's your last name without the ass like it's literally

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Speaker 1: There's like, I need to read your books. I've heard

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Speaker 1: I've seen you do interviews with my Julie Foudy. I've

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Speaker 2: You're such a light.

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Speaker 1: You bring such an energy to everything you do, and

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Speaker 1: I want to know what you're working on now because

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's why you're here. We're gonna pick your

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Speaker 3: I'm a drama major and creative writing minor.

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Speaker 3: the coordinators. There's Alicia Sacramony Quinn, there's Chelsea Memo, there's

438
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Speaker 3: Betty Akino. We've got like a triple threat leadership going

439
00:21:13,080 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 3: on right now. And I've chatted with them quite in

440
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,320
Speaker 3: depth about a lot of this, and I know their

441
00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:21,239
Speaker 3: biggest thing is making sure that all the women out

442
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,680
Speaker 3: there feel supported, that they don't feel threatened, but still

443
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 3: that they feel pushed. Like just because you're not screaming

444
00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 3: at someone and like being super personal about the corrections

445
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,560
Speaker 3: and whatnot, doesn't mean that you all of a sudden

446
00:21:35,600 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 3: have to back off and compliment every little second. And

447
00:21:38,400 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 3: I remember when I had first started speaking up about

448
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,600
Speaker 3: different coaching styles and kind of the environment that I

449
00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,760
Speaker 3: had trained in, which was very kind of emotionally and

450
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 3: verbally abusive and hostile, everyone being kind of like, well,

451
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,080
Speaker 3: what do you expect? Do you just want someone to

452
00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:54,359
Speaker 3: compliment you all the time? I was like, Dahl, I

453
00:21:54,440 --> 00:21:56,640
Speaker 3: grew up in a Puerto Rican household, I have thick skin,

454
00:21:56,680 --> 00:21:59,679
Speaker 3: and I promise like there's a middle ground. And I

455
00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 3: feel like they have done a phenomenal job navigating the

456
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:05,760
Speaker 3: middle ground and navigating when the athletes need to push

457
00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,479
Speaker 3: and the athletes feel comfortable showing up to them being like, Hey,

458
00:22:09,520 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 3: I'm hav an issue with this thing. I want to

459
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 3: fix it because I want to be better. And there's

460
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,119
Speaker 3: a lot of different verbiage going around, there's a lot

461
00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:19,199
Speaker 3: of different energies going around now. The year after the

462
00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:21,240
Speaker 3: Olympics is always a little bit wonky. It kind of

463
00:22:21,240 --> 00:22:25,240
Speaker 3: feels like a recalibration of sorts because we're not seeing

464
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:28,640
Speaker 3: the familiar faces that we might see every four years

465
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Speaker 3: at the Olympics. But it doesn't have anything to do with,

466
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,880
Speaker 3: you know, leadership shifting and people being like, well, maybe

467
00:22:35,920 --> 00:22:38,720
Speaker 3: they're just snowflakes on it now, Like, no, this is

468
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:41,080
Speaker 3: what happens every single quod and we're going to see

469
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,920
Speaker 3: some great gymnastics coming up in the next few years. Yeah.

470
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Speaker 1: I have to say the coaches who argue that kids

471
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Speaker 1: these days are soft and they can't coach them real anymore,

472
00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,760
Speaker 1: I think of them as lazy and lacking imagination and

473
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Speaker 1: probably not great coaches if they can't figure out how

474
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Speaker 1: to motivate without screaming. It reminds me of comedians who

475
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:01,600
Speaker 1: are like, if I can't, you know, say offensive words, how.

476
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:02,320
Speaker 2: Can I be funny?

477
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:03,840
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, you're probably not a very good

478
00:23:03,840 --> 00:23:05,920
Speaker 1: comedian then if that's the only thing you can rely

479
00:23:06,000 --> 00:23:06,840
Speaker 1: on for your bits.

480
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, I used to hear all the time like, well,

481
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:11,320
Speaker 3: I'm just brutally honest and you'll just have to take in.

482
00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 3: I'm like, why be brutal, you can be honest. I

483
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,720
Speaker 3: think there's actually another way to do this. Where you're

484
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 3: like telling me the truth and you're not absolutely hammering

485
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:21,400
Speaker 3: into my DNA about this, like there is a way

486
00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:24,320
Speaker 3: to do this. And it's so tough because it's like, oh,

487
00:23:24,359 --> 00:23:26,879
Speaker 3: you're too sensitive, You're to this, You're to that. I'm like,

488
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 3: if something goes a hair wrong and the need to

489
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 3: project and be loud comes instantly, one of us is

490
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 3: being very reactive right now, and I promise I don't

491
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Speaker 3: think it's me.

492
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Speaker 1: And also to your point, if they get to say

493
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Speaker 1: that's just how I am and they never adjust to

494
00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 1: that's just how you are, then that's not being a

495
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:45,119
Speaker 1: good coach.

496
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Speaker 2: That's I was like, yeah, just yeah, yeah, I feel yeah.

497
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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about these US Gymnastics Championships coming

498
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Speaker 1: up in New Orleans August seventh to tenth. Athletes are

499
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Speaker 1: going to be battling both for US titles and for

500
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Speaker 1: spots on the national team. We are so glad you're

501
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 1: here to help us get ready for them, because it

502
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:04,320
Speaker 1: is particularly hard in a non Olympic year.

503
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Speaker 2: So let's start big picture. How different does it feel.

504
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Speaker 1: For the athletes competing in these big meets in non

505
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Speaker 1: Olympic years, And are the athletes that we're seeing competing

506
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,760
Speaker 1: in part a result of it being an Olympic year.

507
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Speaker 1: Would there be other names in here if they were

508
00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: getting ready for a big games.

509
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:24,320
Speaker 3: It definitely depends on when those kind of notorious names,

510
00:24:24,440 --> 00:24:27,240
Speaker 3: like if someone Biles were to come back, if Sonny

511
00:24:27,320 --> 00:24:29,600
Speaker 3: Lee were to come back, like all of those things,

512
00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,320
Speaker 3: how long it would take post Olympics to recover and

513
00:24:32,359 --> 00:24:34,200
Speaker 3: then to train and come back. And usually the year

514
00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 3: right after the Games is not often one that you'll

515
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 3: see Olympians back. And that's why it's so exciting to

516
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 3: see athletes like Hesley Rivera a year after the Games

517
00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 3: coming back. She's got a gold medal from team finals,

518
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Speaker 3: and you know, that's kind of like the future of

519
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,280
Speaker 3: USA gymnastics that we're looking at. I will say for

520
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,200
Speaker 3: US Classics that happened a few weeks ago, Claire Peas

521
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 3: absolutely smashed it. And that's an athe who She's just

522
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 3: so clean and so precise, and I feel excited and

523
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:10,400
Speaker 3: curious about the trajectory of her gymnastics, knowing that at

524
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,600
Speaker 3: such a young age she can handle such pressure and

525
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,960
Speaker 3: there's really something to be said for that. So she's

526
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Speaker 3: one to watch out for. Jayla Haang is one to

527
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Speaker 3: watch out for, as she competed earlier this year internationally

528
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Speaker 3: and just did so well. And we're also looking at

529
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Speaker 3: Simone Rose, who came in second at Classics, and also

530
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,480
Speaker 3: a lot of the gymnasts at Classics don't often do

531
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Speaker 3: all four events because it tends to you want to

532
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 3: pace yourself as the year goes by, and sometimes it's like, Okay,

533
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,840
Speaker 3: we're gonna still refine some of these routines and whatnot

534
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 3: and make sure that they're perfect for Championships, whereas other

535
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 3: athletes are like, no, I want the repetition. I want

536
00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 3: to get out there. I want to feel confident that

537
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,800
Speaker 3: I can hit all four under pressure. And so we'll

538
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:56,320
Speaker 3: see a lot of different types of gymnastics at Championships

539
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:58,560
Speaker 3: that we didn't see at Classics due to athletes not

540
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,000
Speaker 3: doing all four events.

541
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Speaker 1: Talk about the members of the US women's team that

542
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 1: we did see from the Paris Games. We've got, as

543
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 1: you mentioned, gold medalist Hesleie Rivera, but also replacement athletes

544
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Speaker 1: Leanne Wong and Jocelyn Robertson. So let's start with Hesley.

545
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,359
Speaker 1: What are you watching for with her in this competition?

546
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Speaker 3: In this competition, I'm really looking for consistency. She is

547
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:23,200
Speaker 3: one who is such a powerhouse, and I know sometimes

548
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 3: whether it's endurance or whether it's nerves, some of those

549
00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,639
Speaker 3: little and big mistakes tend to come up. And I

550
00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 3: want to see her go out there and just smash

551
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 3: it because I know she can do it, And watching

552
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:34,879
Speaker 3: some of those workouts, I'm like, yeah, you got it

553
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 3: in the bag. You just you got to hit and

554
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:38,840
Speaker 3: she can do it. We know she can do it.

555
00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,400
Speaker 3: Leanne Wong such a consistent athlete. I feel like every

556
00:26:42,400 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 3: time I watch her out there on the competition floor,

557
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,439
Speaker 3: I can take a deep breath and relax because I

558
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:49,439
Speaker 3: know what's coming. And there's something really special about that.

559
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 3: It's a little bit like twenty twelve's Olympian Kyla Ross,

560
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 3: where you watch her on the balance beam and it's

561
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 3: like watching yoga. It's like watching someone take a deep

562
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 3: breath and do their skills and ex hill with every

563
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 3: landing that they do, and I'm like, yeah, I trust you.

564
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,199
Speaker 3: So that's definitely an athlete to keep an eye out on.

565
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Speaker 2: Lee.

566
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Speaker 1: That's an interesting one too, because she had a kind

567
00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:15,439
Speaker 1: of tough final collegiate season at Florida. At Nationals, they

568
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: ended up falling short of the final four on the floor,

569
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Speaker 1: which is the competition for the national title, by one

570
00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:25,200
Speaker 1: tenth that stood between them and that, And I wonder

571
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Speaker 1: if you think that she's got a little edge to

572
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: her coming into this competition because that's the last really

573
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Speaker 1: major competition she had and wasn't able to compete for

574
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Speaker 1: individual or national title.

575
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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, one tenth will make your eye twitch. That's

576
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 3: something that will make you feel like you're going a

577
00:27:40,600 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 3: little mad. There have been I've had competitions where I've

578
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 3: won by a tenth and I've lost by a tenth,

579
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 3: and it riles me up just thinking about it, because

580
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:53,360
Speaker 3: that's that's landing with your feet together, that's hitting your

581
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 3: handstands on an even bars, that's having just a higher

582
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 3: block on the vault table. I mean, it is minute thing.

583
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:03,879
Speaker 3: Sometimes it's just pointing your toes. Sometimes it's just not

584
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 3: shuffling your feet on the landing. I mean, you can

585
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 3: grab a tenth anywhere. So that would really take me off.

586
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 3: And I know that she's quite a competitive athlete. It's

587
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,520
Speaker 3: why we still see her competing in the elite scene.

588
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,159
Speaker 3: I would not be shocked if that definitely lights a

589
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:18,880
Speaker 3: fire in her.

590
00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: Meantime, we've got Jocelyn Robertson, who was a US team alternate,

591
00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 1: was fantastic in her freshman campaign at the University of Arkansaw.

592
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,479
Speaker 1: She qualified for the NCAA Championships as an individual and

593
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:32,800
Speaker 1: now is back in this elite space. What will you

594
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Speaker 1: be watching for when it comes to her in this championships.

595
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 3: Jocelyn is such a powerful athlete. When we look at Okay,

596
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 3: we want to find the athlete who might be Everyone

597
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 3: always says like, oh, the next this person, the next that.

598
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 3: But if we're looking for quote quote the next Simone Biles,

599
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,080
Speaker 3: someone who is powerful, someone who can tumble high, someone

600
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:54,920
Speaker 3: who runs real fast and attacks the equipment without any

601
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 3: sort of fear in their eyes, that's Jocelyn Robertson. I mean,

602
00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:00,920
Speaker 3: opening up your fluoritine with a double twisting double laout

603
00:29:00,920 --> 00:29:03,400
Speaker 3: and it's practically perfect every single time. Is just such

604
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,240
Speaker 3: a monster feat. And I remember watching her at Classics

605
00:29:06,280 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 3: and seeing her do a double layout for her third

606
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,800
Speaker 3: pass and then a double out for her fourth pass,

607
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 3: which is telling us, oh, this is just a timer.

608
00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:17,200
Speaker 3: I want to do something harder come Championships. This is

609
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 3: just my little warm up Hey, that was the hardest

610
00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:22,080
Speaker 3: tumbling pass that I could do. It was my first

611
00:29:22,120 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 3: pass in twenty sixteen, and she chose them as her

612
00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 3: two last passes. So I feel like that's quite an

613
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 3: indicator of just how strong she is and also how

614
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 3: much she's able to attack the equipment. And she's also

615
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:35,120
Speaker 3: just such a team leader. When you talk to her,

616
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 3: she feels like a captain. She feels like someone who

617
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,480
Speaker 3: is grateful for the position that she's in. We talked

618
00:29:40,520 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 3: to her about being an alternate for the team, and

619
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 3: she was like, you know, it was always my dream

620
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 3: to make an Olympic team. I did it. I'm not

621
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:50,360
Speaker 3: gonna not be grateful for this. I did it. I'm

622
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 3: proud of myself. I'm gonna milk every second of it.

623
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Speaker 3: And I feel like someone with that optimistic mindset is

624
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 3: exactly someone like Team USA needs, and so I just

625
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 3: get so excited when I see her. I try some

626
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 3: big favorites, but we can tell.

627
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:02,600
Speaker 2: We can tell.

628
00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,280
Speaker 1: Let's talk about sky Blakely because a year ago she

629
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,600
Speaker 1: was a favorite to make the Olympic team. She had

630
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,239
Speaker 1: this really impressive runner up finished just Simone Biles at

631
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: the twenty twenty four Nationals. Then she tears her achilles

632
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: during practice ahead of the US Trials. This was heartbreaking

633
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 1: for everyone to watch. What's the toughest part about coming

634
00:30:20,920 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: back from an injury like that.

635
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,880
Speaker 3: It's trust in the physical body, for sure. And we

636
00:30:25,920 --> 00:30:29,120
Speaker 3: had chatted with her about that, and she had talked

637
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:31,920
Speaker 3: about that, about the feelings of going back into practice

638
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 3: and just not trusting being able to kind of put

639
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 3: all your weight onto it. And she's worked so hard

640
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:39,959
Speaker 3: and now she feels a lot more confident in that.

641
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 3: But there's always that fear of if I go and

642
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 3: I go to do this tumbling pass and I put

643
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 3: my entire heart and soul into it, I really hit

644
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 3: the floor as hard as I need to go, Can

645
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,960
Speaker 3: I trust that my body will hold up? And that's

646
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:56,719
Speaker 3: always something that is in everyone's minds. It's not a

647
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 3: new concept. Jemnasics is a dangerous sport and if you're

648
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 3: not afraid, you're not paying attention. And yet sky is

649
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 3: back out here. This is one of the most i

650
00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 3: in my opinion, resilient athletes in terms of how she

651
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 3: saw her injury as an opportunity for growth and as

652
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Speaker 3: encouragement to keep going and to talk with her after

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Speaker 3: Trials post injury and to see her and be like, hey,

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Speaker 3: how are you doing? And she was like, you know what,

655
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Speaker 3: this happened to me once before getting injured at trials.

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Speaker 3: It happened to me again. Last time. I got through it.

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Speaker 3: I'm still here. All that tells me is that I'm

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Speaker 3: still here and I got through it, and I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: keep trying again. I'm gonna get back into the gym,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna heal and all's gonna be well. And I

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Speaker 3: was like, wow, dude, the last time I got injured,

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Speaker 3: like right into therapy. And it's not to say that

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Speaker 3: she doesn't struggle, but man, is that an awesome mindset

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Speaker 3: to have for a professional athlete. It's exactly what you need.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you talked about Jocelyn being one of the leaders.

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Speaker 1: It's pretty wild to think about how you've got, you

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Speaker 1: know these Hesley last year was the up and comer

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Speaker 1: next to Simone Biles, Jordan Chiles, Sunny Lee, Jade Carrey.

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Speaker 1: But now she and Jocelyn are sort of the veterans,

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Speaker 1: at least during this part of the quad. When you

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Speaker 1: talk about that changing of the guard, is that something

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Speaker 1: that's felt within the team do they have to rise

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Speaker 1: to that occasion, whether or not it feels natural to them.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, it's it tends to add or it can not always,

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Speaker 3: but it can add a little bit of pressure into

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Speaker 3: all of Temusa, into being who's like, who's going to

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Speaker 3: step up, who's going to lead? And it seems like

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Speaker 3: Jocelyn's really taken that in such stride, and I'm simply

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Speaker 3: not shocked because someone Wiles is her teammate, And when

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Speaker 3: you watch someone be a leader and you watch them

681
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Speaker 3: do it well, of course, it can be easy to

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Speaker 3: mimic those tendencies and mimic the behavior of like, guys,

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Speaker 3: we can do this, we can totally do this, and

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Speaker 3: we're strong and we're going to keep moving forward. So

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Speaker 3: sometimes it just takes that representation of how to be

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Speaker 3: a good leader to be one. And I'm not surprised

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Speaker 3: that people like jos and Sky are out there again

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Speaker 3: and just excited to be competing.

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Speaker 1: Even just a decade ago, it felt like the athletes

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Speaker 1: that showed up at these post Olympic meets as sixteen

691
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Speaker 1: year old wouldn't make it all the way to the

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Speaker 1: next Olympics because they'd be too old quote unquote at

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Speaker 1: the age of like nineteen. But thank goodness, we've seen

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Speaker 1: some of that change. There's more longevity and elite gymnastics.

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Speaker 1: What do you attribute that to the increased longevity in

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Speaker 1: the sport?

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Speaker 3: I keepe bringing her name up, but Simone has really

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Speaker 3: done a phenomenal job at being and I hate to

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Speaker 3: be like being an older athlete because she's not old.

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Speaker 3: It's like mid to late twenties. But for gymnastics, we're

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Speaker 3: typically told that our lifespan, not only that our gymnastics

702
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Speaker 3: lifespan is short, but we're told that we peak at sixteen.

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Speaker 3: We're constantly told that we peak as a young teenager

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Speaker 3: because you're quote quote small, and your agile and your

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Speaker 3: drive is the highest, and you have the most energy.

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Speaker 3: And people like Simone. There's Asana Chesovitna who's forties plus

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Speaker 3: and competing at World Championships and Olympic Games. There's Rebecca Androgy.

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Speaker 3: There's all these athletes globally who are like, I'm gonna

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Speaker 3: go ahead and train smarter and still hard, but train

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Speaker 3: smarter and not hammer on as many numbers, and I'm

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Speaker 3: gonna protect my body and I'm gonna go out there

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Speaker 3: and I'm gonna keep doing what I love because that's

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Speaker 3: what I want to do. And I think that mindset

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Speaker 3: definitely makes it a lot easier for someone who, you know,

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Speaker 3: might be a new senior who has just turned sixteen

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Speaker 3: and is now looking, you know, at the next games

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Speaker 3: and being like, oh wait a second, my age is

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Speaker 3: not gonna determine whether or not I'm good enough to

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Speaker 3: get there. I just have to pace myself. And that's

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Speaker 3: oh my god. Isn't that a message for everything? That

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Speaker 3: you want to pace yourself and you want to train smart,

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Speaker 3: and you want to pay attention to your surroundings and

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Speaker 3: to your body and to your brain.

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Speaker 2: It's really cool and I do love that.

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Speaker 1: Simone had to eventually apologize to Ali Raisman for calling

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Speaker 1: her grandma when.

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Speaker 3: She was she had grandma tendencies.

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Speaker 1: Yes, she's so, I'm gonna also just about okay, no.

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Speaker 3: Not about the age at all. She would wake up

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Speaker 3: and take naps in the morning, which now I totally.

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Speaker 2: Get something into it.

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Speaker 3: He will. We will reach out to Ali and we're like, hey, girl,

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Speaker 3: for shaming you about the naps, Ken, but she had

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Speaker 3: grandma tendencies and I still call her grandma.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: My producer Alex just typed in the chat that Oxana

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Speaker 1: just celebrated her fiftieth birthday and won a medal at

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Speaker 1: a World Challenge Cup event earlier this summer. Like that's

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Speaker 1: I feel like really bad about myself, Like, how was

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Speaker 1: she doing that?

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Speaker 2: That's insane that.

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Speaker 3: It's just so impressive, you know what.

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Speaker 1: We're also learning a lot more about women's bodies, and

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Speaker 1: we're learning not to underestimate ourselves as much as the

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Speaker 1: world used to.

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Speaker 2: So we love to see that.

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Speaker 1: I want to ask you quickly about Jordan Chiles and

748
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Speaker 1: her individual floor medal from last year's Paris Olympics, so

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Speaker 1: quick refresher for those who don't remember. She initially claimed bronze,

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Speaker 1: then she was stripped of the medal after the Court

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Speaker 1: of Arbitration for Sport ruled that her coach had submitted

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Speaker 1: an appeal of her score four seconds too late. But

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Speaker 1: then Child's appealed that decision to the Federal Supreme Court

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Speaker 1: of Switzerland.

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Speaker 2: We've heard very little in the last twelve months.

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Speaker 1: I think the last we heard from Jordan is that

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Speaker 1: she's still got that medal and she's not giving it back.

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Speaker 2: What do you know about the latest on that.

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Speaker 3: I don't have the latest news on that, but I

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Speaker 3: do remember watching that moment happen in real time and

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Speaker 3: seeing the inquiries go in and kind of just biting

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Speaker 3: my nails at it. And it's just it's the whole

763
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Speaker 3: thing is so heartbreaking when it comes to timing. When

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Speaker 3: it comes to the inquiry that was submitted, it's for

765
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Speaker 3: a leap that often doesn't get credit, but she got

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Speaker 3: it all the way around. And then there's the question

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Speaker 3: of did she get it all the way around and

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Speaker 3: everyone's like, yes, she got it all the way around,

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Speaker 3: and then the public is like, well, shouldn't the judges

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Speaker 3: have been able to catch that the first time around?

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Speaker 3: And it's like that's hey, hey, there's a lot happening

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Speaker 3: at all times. They are writing things as they're looking

773
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Speaker 3: up and judging everything. Sometimes things get missed, and that's

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Speaker 3: why the ability to submit an inquiry exists, is to

775
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Speaker 3: be like, hey, as the coach, like I watch this thing,

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Speaker 3: I want to enquire about this. This feels wrong. And

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Speaker 3: just the way that it unfolded so publicly.

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Speaker 1: Was I felt for her opponent too, I felt for

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Speaker 1: everybody yeah involved, like it's just a lot. Well, we'll

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Speaker 1: be keeping an eye on what happens with that, And

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Speaker 1: of course we'll be watching the Championships and now we

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Speaker 1: feel so much more ready for them.

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Speaker 2: Thanks to you, so thank you for the insight. We

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Speaker 2: look forward to watching.

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Speaker 3: Oh, thank you so much for having me. It was

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Speaker 3: great chatting with you.

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Speaker 1: Thanks again to Laurie for hanging out. Make sure to

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Speaker 1: tune in and listen to her analysis at this week's

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Speaker 1: US Gymnastics Championships.

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Speaker 2: The women's competition.

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Speaker 1: Gets underway on Friday in New Orleans, and we'll link

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Speaker 1: to the full broadcast schedule in the show notes.

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Speaker 2: We got to take another break.

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Speaker 1: When we come back, it's time for the return of

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Speaker 1: Are you Seeing what I'm Seeing? Welcome back slices. It's

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Speaker 1: time for another edition of are you Seeing what I'm Seeing?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, I cantually I believe this is how

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Speaker 3: that ione I heard about anyone's talking about?

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Speaker 2: Okay, get in here, Alex.

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Speaker 1: All right, So all this talk about gymnastics had me

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Speaker 1: thinking about, you know, which of our faves might ramp

802
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Speaker 1: back up to compete in the twenty twenty eight Olympics,

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Speaker 1: And of course that had me thinking about the goat

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Speaker 1: Simone Biles and if she might come back.

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Speaker 2: But well, are you seeing what I'm seeing?

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Speaker 1: Like two things in particular, that the Goat has acquired

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Speaker 1: two new friends, let's say pals. She's been working on

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Speaker 1: her pecks. It's something I've been wanting to get off

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Speaker 1: my chest for a while, you know, the fact that

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Speaker 2: And if that signals anything to us.

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Speaker 3: Sarah, are you trying to say that Simone had a

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Speaker 1: Yes, that is exactly what I'm saying. She definitely got

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Speaker 1: a boom up. And I'm wondering if that means she's

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Speaker 1: not gonna come back. Not that you can't do gymnastics

817
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Speaker 1: with new titties, but you know, is she coming back?

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Speaker 2: Does that mean she's not?

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Speaker 1: And is this her right telling us she's retiring, but

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Speaker 3: I would kind of love that for her to be

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Speaker 2: For that to be in the official announcement. Yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: Anyway, I'm not saying that that's official. I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: you can't come back after that. I just was wondering

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