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Speaker 1: Hey, Marlins fans, it's Elis Sussman here, managing editor of

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Speaker 1: Fists Stripes. Thank you for checking out our podcast channel.

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Speaker 1: As you may be aware of, throughout this entire twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one season on Fish Stripes, we have been doing

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Speaker 1: live streams on the YouTube, Twitter and Twitch accounts. I

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Speaker 1: guess at this point more than fifty individual streams, and

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Speaker 1: we've kept it going even during these dog days of

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Speaker 1: the season, even with the team's goals out of reach

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Speaker 1: and so much frustrating stuff going on, we have gritted

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Speaker 1: through it to talk about the hottest topics to previewing

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Speaker 1: each series ahead. Whenever we do a special live stream,

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Speaker 1: they're all special in their own ways, but we've had

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Speaker 1: this one that we recorded on Monday night was exactly that.

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Speaker 1: with me too, as long as you tune in. That

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Speaker 1: is greatly appreciated. We had a special guest somebody that

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Speaker 1: is kind of a full blown celebrity in our small

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Speaker 1: corner of the sports universe. It's Craig Mish from Swings

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Speaker 1: and Mishes from the Miami Herald from Sports Grid, and

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Speaker 1: he took more than an hour of his time heading

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Speaker 1: into this Marlins national series too talk about the bigger

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Speaker 1: picture stuff, to talk about the decisions the Marlins will

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Speaker 1: need to be making over this offseason, of specific targets

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Speaker 1: that he would like them to go after that he

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Speaker 1: He was in a great mood and he was able

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Speaker 1: to answer pretty much all of our questions and so

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Speaker 1: many that some of you guys submitted to us online

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Speaker 1: in the days ahead leading up to the stream.

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Speaker 2: On this one.

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Speaker 1: Along with Craig, we had Ethan Bodowski, Isaacazout, Kevin Barrall,

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Speaker 1: Alex Carver, Daniel Rodriguez, Noah Berger, and I was the

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Speaker 1: one producing it behind the scenes. Without further ado, Just

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Speaker 1: check it out this Fish Stripes Live from September thirteenth,

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Speaker 1: covering all things Marlins and if for whatever reason you

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Speaker 1: don't already, be sure to follow Craigmish on Twitter at

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Speaker 1: Craig Mish and check out all of his work on

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Speaker 1: Sports Greed, the Miami Herald and on the Swings and

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Speaker 4: Fish Stripes Live on a Monday evening. Welcome in, everybody.

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Speaker 4: We are very excited about this episode, as we all know.

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Speaker 4: Today got the full squad here, Isaac and Know, Danny,

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Speaker 4: Alex Carver and of course guess we've all been waiting

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Speaker 4: for Craig kind enough to join us. Craig, we're really

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Speaker 2: I'll be feeling a lot better if I think that

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Speaker 2: they can win Saturday, that's for sure. So far, so good, though,

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Speaker 2: You know, well, well, I mean at the time, Anthony

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Speaker 2: That's sure he did. But you started off immediately with

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Speaker 2: But this was not the kind of team that if

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Speaker 2: Well, it's the same thing that they that they preach.

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Speaker 4: Get it all the time on Twitter. How confident are

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Speaker 2: Oh, well, the marsh I can't say that I know

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Speaker 7: You know, I guess regarding off season, again, thank you

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Speaker 7: Regarding off season, we probably know they're going to go

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Speaker 2: Well, I guess, Isaac. What I would say is like

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Speaker 2: I think it turned out very well in terms of

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Speaker 2: his production for what they were looking for. But there

436
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Speaker 2: need to be more of those. There need to be

437
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Speaker 2: more Harold Ramirez. Is there need to be more you know, benders.

438
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Speaker 2: There need to be guys that that come in Nelieis

439
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Speaker 2: or Hernandez. Where are those guys that on the offensive side,

440
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Speaker 2: like Dela Cruz four years one Dela Cruz. It just

441
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Speaker 2: doesn't seem like another.

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Speaker 4: You mentioned, Harold Ramirez. I know Eli's back behind the

443
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Speaker 4: screen absolutely freaking out about that one. That's his guy.

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Speaker 4: But Alex Carver, I want to hear what you've got

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Speaker 4: for Craignish.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks, Ethan.

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Speaker 8: Hey Craig, Well, I guess I can just build off

448
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Speaker 8: of Isaac's question and what you were saying about players

449
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Speaker 8: not becoming players, And this is something that we've all

450
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Speaker 8: talked about a lot on this show and in private.

451
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Speaker 8: You know, we know, and I'm sure the Marlins know

452
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Speaker 8: that a lot of the guys that are on this

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Speaker 8: twenty six man or forty man roster right now are

454
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Speaker 8: not great major League Baseball players. They have don't have

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Speaker 8: much of a future with the Marlins organization. So I'm

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Speaker 8: wondering if you can answer this and just maybe your

457
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Speaker 8: personal thoughts Why are some of these players still here

458
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Speaker 8: over some fringe guys that they have in the miners

459
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Speaker 8: or maybe even you can throw in Peyton Burdick, get

460
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Speaker 8: a look at him. Why Why are these Magnari Sierra

461
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Speaker 8: East sign Diaz like what al Fara? Why are these

462
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Speaker 8: guys still on the roster and why are they still

463
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Speaker 8: trying to push for them to have a future by

464
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Speaker 8: playing them.

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Speaker 2: At different positions and everything else. Yeah, it's a very

466
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Speaker 2: good question, Alex, and I would tell you in their

467
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Speaker 2: defense because I like to play both sides. In their defense,

468
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Speaker 2: most Major League Baseball organizations are going to take that

469
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Speaker 2: dollar all the way down to a PA until they

470
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Speaker 2: decide to punt. I mean, it does happen a lot.

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Speaker 2: This is not the only organization that will do that.

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Speaker 2: You know, sometimes players, you know, they they don't have

473
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Speaker 2: the financial value, they don't have the statistics, they don't

474
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Speaker 2: have the war, but they were acquired by the regime

475
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Speaker 2: and because they were acquired, they're going to try and

476
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Speaker 2: maximize all of that. Especially with the draft picks too.

477
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Speaker 2: That's another thing to remember. They're giving them a bonus

478
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Speaker 2: and sometimes it's millions of dollars, so you know they're

479
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Speaker 2: gonna let the They're going to make that kid pay

480
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Speaker 2: for that bonus. But in the in the case that

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Speaker 2: the players that you're mentioning now, I think it's it's

482
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Speaker 2: something that is a flaw of of the organization. I

483
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Speaker 2: think that they have They've taken it down from a

484
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Speaker 2: dollar to ten cents, and you know, and it just

485
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Speaker 2: keep and they just keep going down with no other

486
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Speaker 2: with really no other end in sight with that. And

487
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Speaker 2: that's not to say that the players can't go somewhere

488
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Speaker 2: else and have a future. But you know, I saw

489
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Speaker 2: Derek Dietrich punted, I saw Just Bore punted. I saw

490
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Speaker 2: jt Riddle punted pretty quickly, you know. And the guys

491
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Speaker 2: that you mentioned were all involved in different trades and

492
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Speaker 2: they're with the team one reason or another. And I

493
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Speaker 2: think the key to success with a lot of these

494
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Speaker 2: organizations is being able to cut bait and being able

495
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Speaker 2: to churn the forty man roster. And for whatever reason,

496
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Speaker 2: this year in particular, I think even more than last year, Alex,

497
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Speaker 2: I think this year has brought up a lot more

498
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Speaker 2: questions than answers.

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Speaker 3: This year.

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Speaker 2: I don't understand some of the thinking behind it, but

501
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Speaker 2: you know, it just depends on your level of trust

502
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Speaker 2: and where you think this player may end up. But

503
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Speaker 2: there are obviously several players right now, you know, who

504
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Speaker 2: don't have a future and are just basically playing out

505
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Speaker 2: the last twenty games of the season, as opposed to

506
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Speaker 2: some younger players. The other thing that I would say

507
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Speaker 2: is that minor league baseball players all pay attention to

508
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Speaker 2: Major League Baseball organizations and they all talk. And so

509
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Speaker 2: the kids who I think that you're alluding to, Alex,

510
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 2: they probably talk amongst their buddies that are around the

511
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Speaker 2: league and saying, hey, you know, the Marlins don't give

512
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Speaker 2: these guys a shot. They're not giving me a shot.

513
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Speaker 2: And then you know, come draft day, come signing day,

514
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Speaker 2: when you're going to college and then the Marlins want you.

515
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,399
Speaker 2: It makes makes it a little bit more difficult to say, hey,

516
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Speaker 2: they don't give it a shot. Maybe that's a broad

517
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Speaker 2: brush on that, but I'm with you. There are several

518
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Speaker 2: players who, you know, we're very nice people, nice guys

519
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 2: I've gotten to know, but their futures are outside of

520
00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:29,720
Speaker 2: the organization.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So while we're on this subject, there was one

522
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Speaker 4: guy coming in and I'm going to get to Daniel

523
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Speaker 4: right after this for his question. But the one guy

524
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Speaker 4: I really wanted to ask about, and a lot of

525
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Speaker 4: people I've been asking about, is Bryson Brigman, who's still

526
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Speaker 4: in Triple A Jacksonville. What what's the deal? You know?

527
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Speaker 4: Do they just not see the guy as part of

528
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Speaker 4: the long term future? What's the deal here? Do you

529
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Speaker 4: have any information on why they haven't given this guy

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Speaker 4: a shot?

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Speaker 2: Not ready defensively?

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Speaker 4: Not ready defensively? Very interesting, very interest saying that's something

533
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Speaker 4: I think a lot of us hadn't considered. He's having

534
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Speaker 4: a good year offensively.

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Speaker 2: But whether or not, whether or not you believe that,

536
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Speaker 2: that's that's up to you. But that's that's what I

537
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Speaker 2: have under have understood Alex Carver.

538
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Speaker 4: Over there, But yeah, it's it's something.

539
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Speaker 2: He's been okay for my eyes. But hey, I'm not

540
00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 2: in the organization, so more power. Listen. They they they

541
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Speaker 2: see these guys a lot more than any of us do.

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Speaker 2: And you, you and I and I always, like I said,

543
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Speaker 2: I always played both sides of this. There's never black

544
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Speaker 2: and white for me. I'll always see it. And if

545
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Speaker 2: that's their position on the player, uh, you know, then

546
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Speaker 2: then so be it. You know, I mean is Isan

547
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Speaker 2: Diaz a better defender right now at third base then

548
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Speaker 2: Brigman is. I mean, the Issan's played a pretty sharp

549
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Speaker 2: defense at third. I think that's that's fair to say.

550
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Speaker 2: You know that Brigman's not going to play second because

551
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Speaker 2: Jazz is there, and so then the question becomes as

552
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Speaker 2: a utility infielder. They clearly felt that Devin Morero's defense

553
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Speaker 2: was was better than Brickman's. I mean, I guess I'm

554
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Speaker 2: assuming this is this is what I've heard, So I

555
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 2: can just only convey that it's it's nice to have

556
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Speaker 2: an answer at least instead of just being left to

557
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Speaker 2: whether we agree with the answer or not.

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Speaker 4: It's nice to just know what they're thinking. Is because

559
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Speaker 4: for so much of the year we've been left to

560
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Speaker 4: just wonder.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 4: Again, you mentioned Marrero coming up and some of the

563
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Speaker 4: other guys. But I will say that the.

564
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Speaker 2: Thing is is if they call up Brickman and he

565
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Speaker 2: makes a few errors, you know, at that point they

566
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,800
Speaker 2: would pass the Twins for the most errors in Major

567
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Speaker 2: League Baseball. And they don't want to have that title.

568
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Speaker 2: At the end of the year, they already have the NL.

569
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Speaker 2: You don't want to have the Major League one too,

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Speaker 2: So maybe that's.

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Speaker 8: Even real quick if I could just ask while we're

572
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Speaker 8: on the topic, Yeah, Craig, if he is not called

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Speaker 8: up to the Marlins this season, will they protect him

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Speaker 8: from the major league portion of the Rule five drive?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I mean I would be guessing. I don't know the

577
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Speaker 2: answer to that. It would be a guess.

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Speaker 4: Daniel Ergus hop In.

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Speaker 2: Hey, Craig, first I will say thank you so much

580
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Speaker 2: for doing this. This is awesome for you know, the

581
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Speaker 2: live stream you coming on. Problem. I wanted to ask simply.

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Speaker 9: You mentioned Adam Duval just really quickly, just is there

583
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Speaker 9: any justification for that trade they made with Alex Jackson

584
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,880
Speaker 9: because he's just been I don't know, not the best

585
00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 9: at all. Was that just a way for them just

586
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 9: to say, hey, we got a catcher here he is,

587
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 9: we got one for you guys, we're playing him.

588
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,040
Speaker 2: Just what justification could that? Even before?

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Speaker 9: Because a Duval you mentioned, you know, has really been

590
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Speaker 9: producing with his time with the Marlins.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this is this is a tough one. This

592
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 2: is a tough one. So so you know the Braves

593
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Speaker 2: were interested in acquiring Duval. You know, as soon as

594
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Speaker 2: Akunya went down, they really would have would have liked

595
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Speaker 2: to have him at that time, but I guess, I

596
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Speaker 2: guess the Marlins at that time were not ready to

597
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Speaker 2: trade Duval because they felt they were still in it.

598
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Speaker 2: And I think that there were a couple of other

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Speaker 2: teams at the time that that may have been interested

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Speaker 2: in Duval also, But you know, clearly he was traded

601
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Speaker 2: on trade deadline day. I think it was like I

602
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,480
Speaker 2: was on the air, so I feel it was somewhere

603
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Speaker 2: time between twelve and two Eastern and I think that

604
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Speaker 2: was it. So Duval is the real disturbing one because

605
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Speaker 2: at the end of the season, he's going to be

606
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Speaker 2: the kind of guy that they're chasing in the off season,

607
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Speaker 2: you know, and it you know, I feel like, you know,

608
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Speaker 2: I don't know what kind of chance they would have

609
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,440
Speaker 2: had to sign him, But they've gone to Sandy, and

610
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 2: they've gone to Aguilar, and they extended Rojas, and they

611
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 2: never had a conversation with Duval even about potentially staying.

612
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Speaker 2: And those conversations are going to happen now with Atlanta

613
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Speaker 2: and he's going to be facing off probably with the

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Speaker 2: Marlins next year against the Braves. So it was it

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Speaker 2: was really one that was probably the biggest head scratcher

616
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Speaker 2: of the mall. You're not going to win every trade.

617
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Speaker 2: I understand that. And look, they're going to win the

618
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Speaker 2: Dela Cruz trade. So naturally when you bring up all

619
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Speaker 2: of them, they'll throw in that and say, hey, we

620
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:48,240
Speaker 2: won this one. Maybe we lost this one. But the

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Speaker 2: one thing that I do want to bring up here tonight,

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Speaker 2: and I think is really important for everybody to understand,

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Speaker 2: is that Miguel Rojas is the team leader and he's

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Speaker 2: the captain. And I understand all of those things. I

625
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 2: know him very well personally. He's a great guy and

626
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 2: he's a really good player. But when players need help

627
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:08,480
Speaker 2: in that clubhouse and they need to know what's wrong

628
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 2: with their swing, they go to the coaching staff. Sometimes

629
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Speaker 2: it works, sometimes it doesn't. But Adam Duvall is that guy,

630
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Speaker 2: and Adam Duval was that guy on the Marlins. And

631
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: so captains come in different ways and leadership comes in

632
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: different ways. And while we all you know, certainly love

633
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Speaker 2: Miguel Rojas and you know say how great he is,

634
00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 2: and you know, MCell Rohass is not hitting thirty home runs.

635
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Speaker 2: When you need help and you want to go to

636
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Speaker 2: your buddies, you're gonna go to a veteran who has

637
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Speaker 2: been that before. So leadership comes in a lot of

638
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 2: different ways, and I think that we lose sight of

639
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 2: that sometime when you know, maybe Miguel Rojas may get traded.

640
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Speaker 2: All we can't trade him. He's the leader of the team.

641
00:30:45,520 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 2: Adam Duval was one of the leaders of the team.

642
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Speaker 2: He was he was the guy that was their early

643
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Speaker 2: tea work. Every single day. You want to learn how

644
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Speaker 2: to hit, you go watch Adam Duval hit. This guy's

645
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 2: gonna hit forty zero runs this season, and and it

646
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Speaker 2: is it is so important to have not just a leader,

647
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Speaker 2: but a leader who can show by example what you

648
00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 2: need to be doing. Miguel Roboss can show you how

649
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 2: to be a professional. He could show you how to

650
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:11,640
Speaker 2: play the game the right way. Mcel ross can not

651
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: show you how to hit forty home runs in a

652
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:16,640
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball season. And so Adam Duval's kind of

653
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 2: the guy that they're gonna be going to trying to get.

654
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,680
Speaker 2: So why didn't they just keep them in the offseason.

655
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 2: It makes no sense. His war is three point five,

656
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 2: He's gonna have a four war. If Adam Duval was

657
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 2: twenty six years old, he'd be a fifteen to twenty

658
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 2: million dollar player this offseason. And that's my long answer.

659
00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:36,480
Speaker 2: It was a bad trade. It just they should have

660
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 2: been able to get more for him. Started that ball

661
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,920
Speaker 2: rolling a little bit earlier and coming to grips with

662
00:31:42,040 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 2: maybe not competing as opposed to just at the last

663
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 2: minute trying to salvage it by getting a player like Jackson.

664
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Speaker 2: And I had somebody text me last night just you know,

665
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,120
Speaker 2: somebody in the league just with a huge head scratcher

666
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:03,160
Speaker 2: on that one. I'm a big advocate of Duval and

667
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:05,880
Speaker 2: he's not going to win an MVP, and he certainly,

668
00:32:06,040 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 2: you know, isn't going to get on base thirty five percent.

669
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:08,840
Speaker 4: Of the time.

670
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 2: But when you need a big hit and you've got

671
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 2: a couple of runs on base, he can deliver a

672
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,400
Speaker 2: home run and win a game for you. And they

673
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 2: have no one going into next season like that from

674
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 2: the right hand side.

675
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 5: So can can I jump in here for a second.

676
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 5: So if theoretically, if the Morlans would bring back Duval

677
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:32,080
Speaker 5: and you have hay Sus Sanchez, and you have Brian

678
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 5: day La Cruz, and you have Lewis Brinton, who would

679
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,520
Speaker 5: be your starting outfield next year.

680
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 4: Well, hopefully there's another.

681
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 5: Actually, yeah, yeah, I think I think if we're there,

682
00:32:41,600 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 5: he would do fall count as that acquisition.

683
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think Duvall is leaving Atlanta, but if

684
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 2: he does, I don't. How about this one. Adam Duval

685
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 2: is not coming back here. I'll give it. I've been

686
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 2: wrong before. Let's keep in mind I was wrong about

687
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 2: Adam Duval not going to the Brave first. Maybe I'm

688
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:00,560
Speaker 2: the Adam, not the Adam Duval whisper here. But knowing

689
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 2: what I know, and knowing that the organization and how

690
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 2: they felt, I take him back. Knowing how a few

691
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 2: people felt about Adam Duval, or even less than a

692
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 2: few people about how they felt about Adam Duval, he

693
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 2: is not coming back to the Marlins unfortunately.

694
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 4: Very interesting. Yeah, it just seems like that was just

695
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 4: a matchment in heaven. And like Atlanta immediately regretted letting

696
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 4: him go, and they got him back, and I can't

697
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 4: personally me, I can't see them letting him go.

698
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,400
Speaker 2: He's he's a great defensive.

699
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 4: Amazing, it was amazing. No, he was so impressive this year.

700
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 4: But Craig, the next thing I want to ask you,

701
00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 4: this was a question I got from Fish Army three

702
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 4: h five on Twitter. We all know Fish Army shout

703
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 4: out to him and and this is a question I

704
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 4: think a lot of people have. Who would be your ideal?

705
00:33:48,800 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 4: So you obviously we know you're a big Jacob Stalingy's guy,

706
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 4: but maybe in centerfield, who would be the prime center

707
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:58,120
Speaker 4: fielder you think the Marlins should pursue in the in

708
00:33:58,160 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 4: the off season.

709
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there aren't a lot of a lot

710
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 2: of high end free agent options out there. But you know,

711
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 2: I would be surprised if we at least didn't hear

712
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 2: Buxton's name this offseason. I would be surprised if we

713
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 2: did at least hear it because it would require probably

714
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 2: a deal where they would have to extend him almost immediately,

715
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 2: because you could not make one of those deals again

716
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 2: and go down this road like you did with Marte.

717
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:28,320
Speaker 2: But that would soften the Marte blow. You'd just essentially

718
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,360
Speaker 2: be moving his money over to Bucks. Then probably a

719
00:34:30,360 --> 00:34:33,120
Speaker 2: lot more too, let's be honest. And the Twins and

720
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:36,320
Speaker 2: Marlins have had discussions in the past about other players,

721
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 2: and I think, by the way, those two teams do

722
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:42,560
Speaker 2: match up well in terms of trade. The Twins are

723
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 2: twenty seventh and the majors that earned run average this season.

724
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,239
Speaker 2: They have to compete next year. I mean, this is,

725
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 2: you know, kind of who they are. They like to

726
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 2: they don't they don't like to take steps back. They

727
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 2: like to take steps forward. There's some other players I

728
00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,080
Speaker 2: think that they have that could be of use to

729
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 2: Miami as well in terms of offense. So that would

730
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 2: be one player who at least I would I would

731
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 2: kick the tires on. And you know I mentioned I

732
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,279
Speaker 2: mentioned Stallings to a catcher, you know, you know, I

733
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:10,080
Speaker 2: was talking to somebody about this today. There's no reason

734
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:12,359
Speaker 2: why they shouldn't go back to the Cubs on Contreras.

735
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 2: They really should, I mean, why not. The Cubs appear

736
00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 2: to be completely torn down. They're accepting all of these

737
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: low level minor league players, and Contrera seems to be

738
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 2: the only one they really kept, similarly to how Miami

739
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,239
Speaker 2: only kept j T when they kept Real Mudo too.

740
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 2: Because the value on the catcher is tremendous. So I

741
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 2: would I would if I was the Marlins, I'd go

742
00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 2: back in on Contreras again and see if they could

743
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:33,360
Speaker 2: acquire him.

744
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:37,560
Speaker 4: What about you know, catcher center fielder. So what about

745
00:35:37,600 --> 00:35:41,920
Speaker 4: a possible Buxton and Mitch Garver pairing from Minnesota.

746
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,520
Speaker 2: I'd be I'd be even I'd be guessing. You know, yeah,

747
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 2: right now, everything I'm talking about in terms of that

748
00:35:47,719 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 2: is just me speculating. Ask me like, I mean, I

749
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 2: have no information other than.

750
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,880
Speaker 7: That, or speaking of Minnesota, Craig, I think it was

751
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 7: a couple nights ago you had maybe mentioned Tiza, maybe

752
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 7: Eliza Hernandez Minnesota thing. I I think it's a foregone

753
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,480
Speaker 7: conclusion that he'll probably be traded this offseason, unless they

754
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 7: just had to put him in the bullpen.

755
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,960
Speaker 2: But what are you hearing regarding that? Yeah, I mean

756
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,520
Speaker 2: there's there's I haven't heard of any discussions, but I

757
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:12,439
Speaker 2: know that the Twins were interested in him a couple

758
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 2: of off seasons ago. And again I'm gonna have it

759
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,080
Speaker 2: more on that in the Herald tomorrow. But yeah, I

760
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:22,280
Speaker 2: think that he's you know, clearly, Hernandez is a great

761
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,600
Speaker 2: candidate to go to a team that is sort of

762
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:28,319
Speaker 2: building it based around you know. I mean, look, some

763
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,759
Speaker 2: people feel Hernitas can go three times through the order.

764
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: I mean, I've seen him do it before, and he

765
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 2: has had success. He's had a hard time staying healthy.

766
00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 2: But if he can roll together just three starts, three

767
00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 2: more starts the rest of the season, and finish off

768
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 2: the season healthy, I can see a team taking a

769
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:45,360
Speaker 2: shot and saying, hey, look we got a good bullpen,

770
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 2: we just need five innings from this guy. And and yeah,

771
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 2: I mean, he would have to be considered a candidate

772
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 2: at the very least to be.

773
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 4: Moved for sure, Kevin, there was another starting pitcher that

774
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 4: you wanted to ask about big moved. I'm curious who

775
00:36:57,920 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 4: it is.

776
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, you you mentioned think a while back, you mentioned

777
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,080
Speaker 6: about the Marlins that they were thinking about trading Pablo

778
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:05,719
Speaker 6: Is that's still on the board, and you know what

779
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 6: what he trade looked like.

780
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,680
Speaker 2: I don't I don't know that I mentioned. I don't

781
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 2: know that I ever reported that they were thinking. It

782
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 2: was on the spaces with takes. While I don't know

783
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,920
Speaker 2: what did I say. Can you remind me someone.

784
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 6: Someone asked, you know if the Martins looked into trading

785
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,239
Speaker 6: Pablo the forty injury, and you said, yeah.

786
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I think I had heard that, but

787
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 2: I don't know that I had that, like like deep

788
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,640
Speaker 2: down toward the end. I mean, listen, if I said

789
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: it then, then definitely I'll back it. But I look,

790
00:37:30,000 --> 00:37:33,640
Speaker 2: I at this point, I he Pablo Lopez is probably

791
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 2: worth more to the Marlins than he's going to be

792
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:37,239
Speaker 2: to somebody else. I mean, they're going to be on

793
00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 2: that phone with a general manager that's going to say, hey,

794
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 2: this guy's been hurt three years in a row, like,

795
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: you know, this is the game, you know, this is

796
00:37:44,080 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 2: how this is how that happens. And so unfortunately the

797
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,960
Speaker 2: Marlins probably just kind of have to, you know, have

798
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 2: to go back into next year hoping for twenty starts

799
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 2: somewhere along those lines, because at some point you do

800
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 2: have to come to grips with with him missing time

801
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:02,320
Speaker 2: every year. It's been three years in a row. Wait,

802
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 2: did he did he pitch off last year? Healthy? Completely healthy?

803
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, because yeah, he was the only one that escaped.

804
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty twenty one, twenty nineteen, I don't recall eighteen.

805
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 2: He may have been shut down at the end of eighteen.

806
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,120
Speaker 4: Any any possible bullpen help, obviously that's been such a

807
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:24,680
Speaker 4: hot topic. You know, is there a chance they maybe

808
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,439
Speaker 4: move on from bass and try and start all over

809
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 4: in the bullpen? Do you think they go out and

810
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 4: maybe spend some money on the bullpen. What are you

811
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:33,959
Speaker 4: you know, what are your thoughts there?

812
00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:39,399
Speaker 2: Yeah? They the bullpen money is always fickle from year

813
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 2: to year. You don't know who is going to succeed.

814
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 2: My guess is almost no matter what they do, their

815
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:46,879
Speaker 2: bullpen will be as good or better next year. It's

816
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 2: just cyclical. I really don't get caught too much up

817
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 2: in it. But you just really have to do your

818
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 2: due diligence like they did with Bender and find those

819
00:38:55,400 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 2: diamonds in the rough without spending the money. That I

820
00:38:57,800 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 2: understand completely. You know, stett Weiler, who's one of my

821
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 2: favorite guys, unfortunately did not work out almost at all

822
00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:07,520
Speaker 2: for them this year from the left side. But then

823
00:39:07,560 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 2: the trade for Richard Blier, I mean, he's a pretty

824
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 2: solid guy. Seems like it's really worked out for him

825
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:14,799
Speaker 2: as well. So my guess is they'll go back in

826
00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 2: on the market. They'll attack the ninth inning again. But

827
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 2: I would guess that they've not that they've learned their lesson,

828
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 2: because again I was one that advocated for bass two.

829
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,319
Speaker 2: But I think I'll tell you the surprising thing is

830
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 2: they chose a closer who doesn't throw that hard, that

831
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 2: that was surprising that they didn't get a guy who could,

832
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,319
Speaker 2: you know, pump ninety six ninety seven in the back

833
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 2: end of the bullpen. They got a guy that could

834
00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 2: throw ninety three to ninety four. As far as moving bats,

835
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 2: I think they would have moved him at the deadline

836
00:39:41,080 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 2: if they could. I think he's owed a pretty decent

837
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 2: amount for next year, So my guess is back, and

838
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 2: I think he's been okay in the seventh inning and

839
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 2: eighth inning, so for the most.

840
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:52,320
Speaker 5: Part, everything other than the ninth inning, Yeah, yeah, Alex Carver,

841
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:56,479
Speaker 5: Yeah ah, I was just pitching and money being spent.

842
00:39:57,280 --> 00:40:02,239
Speaker 2: Sandy al Contra, obviously he's been fantastic. We all know that.

843
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 8: Coming into i think three years left before he's a

844
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 8: free agent. Likelihood that a deal gets done to extend

845
00:40:09,040 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 8: s Andy this offseason.

846
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 2: Well, there right now is nothing. There's nothing happening, and

847
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 2: they're not talking, so I can't say that anything is

848
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,080
Speaker 2: close right now. And also, let's let's keep in mind,

849
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,960
Speaker 2: the collective bargaining Agreement is up and so we're going

850
00:40:23,000 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 2: to have to take a look and see what that's like.

851
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 2: So I wouldn't freak out if nothing happens, like right

852
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 2: after the off season. They may just be simply waiting

853
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 2: to see what the tax is going to be and

854
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:38,879
Speaker 2: things like that. My guess, and I'm guessing is is

855
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,160
Speaker 2: around the five year, fifty to sixty million dollar mark

856
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 2: is what it's going to require to get that done.

857
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 2: And so if the Marlins are willing to pony up

858
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,359
Speaker 2: for that, then that's essentially what it would be. Very

859
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 2: similarly to the Aguilar offer for an extension, this was

860
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 2: just an offer that was not going to whatever. Whatever

861
00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:04,279
Speaker 2: was offered to Sandy in the first place was just

862
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 2: not even worth discussing or even going to get done.

863
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 2: You know, I think Sandy wants to be here, and

864
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 2: then I do think that he likes it here and

865
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 2: he'd love to be here long term.

866
00:41:14,040 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 4: You know.

867
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 2: The other hard conversation to have, because like I said,

868
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 2: I always play the other side, is that no one

869
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 2: wants to hear it. But what could you get? You know,

870
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 2: what what would be coming back in a deal for

871
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,799
Speaker 2: I mean, would it be a franchise changing deal if

872
00:41:28,840 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 2: you were able to make a trade like that. I know,

873
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 2: no one wants to hear it, but this is this

874
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 2: is the reality of it. It's not the reality of baseball,

875
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 2: the reality of baseball. For the Marlins, this is the

876
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 2: position that they're in. They need several offensive players going

877
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 2: into next season, so I would say it's probably on

878
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 2: the on the low end side that they trade him.

879
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,360
Speaker 2: I would probably say there's like a fifty to fifty

880
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:52,160
Speaker 2: shot they extend him, but he's pitched his way into

881
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 2: into clearly being able to get that extension. The one

882
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 2: extension you guys would have to go back and look

883
00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 2: at it specifically, would be Carlos Martinez. I think that

884
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,560
Speaker 2: I think Carlos mart team as this deal with Saint Louis,

885
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:04,720
Speaker 2: I think somewhere along those lines would probably be something

886
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:05,600
Speaker 2: that he'd be looking for.

887
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 4: Craig, I'm curious. A name that we've heard a lot

888
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 4: and to me sounds like a dream scenario for the

889
00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 4: Marlins is Brian Reynolds. And I know that you reported

890
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 4: there were some discussions there. The discussions, this asking price

891
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:23,680
Speaker 4: seemed kind of crazy. So has there been any development

892
00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 4: on that and just if you can how crazy was

893
00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:27,720
Speaker 4: the asking price?

894
00:42:28,440 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not sure exactly what all the players that

895
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 2: were involved and what would have went back and forth.

896
00:42:34,560 --> 00:42:36,880
Speaker 2: You know, I think I think the choice that maybe

897
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 2: that they had to make was giving up like six

898
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:41,359
Speaker 2: or seven guys, or maybe it was going and just

899
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 2: you know, giving up Sandy, Like I don't know, I'm

900
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 2: not I'm not entirely sure. And I'm also not sure

901
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,719
Speaker 2: if if Reynolds was in the same deal as Stallings

902
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 2: or if it just would have been a Reynolds deal.

903
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,640
Speaker 2: I guess the only thing that I learned coming out

904
00:42:53,680 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 2: of the deadline is that that that deal was actually

905
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,120
Speaker 2: a little bit had a little bit more legs than

906
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 2: I even thought. I thought that that was just a discussion,

907
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:03,560
Speaker 2: but apparently like there was there was even more to it,

908
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: to the point where it's, uh, you know, all that

909
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 2: reporting got me in trouble. But regardless of that, I

910
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,799
Speaker 2: think that I think that he's a great player to

911
00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 2: try and get and acquire. He was also the same

912
00:43:15,800 --> 00:43:17,719
Speaker 2: player that was would have been in the deal had

913
00:43:17,719 --> 00:43:21,279
Speaker 2: Gian Carlos Stanton gone to San Francisco, Miami would have

914
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 2: got back Reynolds in that deal. So it kind of

915
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,239
Speaker 2: it kind of does you know, sort of add up

916
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 2: that there's still something there. At the time, Reynolds was

917
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:32,560
Speaker 2: very young and and not a lot was known about him,

918
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 2: not a lot of not was known about him by

919
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 2: the Marlins. I don't think either at that time, but

920
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 2: he he would be the perfect guy clearly to get.

921
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,280
Speaker 2: But it's Pittsburgh gonna give up their last remaining asset

922
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 2: for just things that you guys want them to trade for.

923
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 4: I doubt it.

924
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:48,440
Speaker 2: If I was them, I would ask for Sandy, I

925
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:49,320
Speaker 2: would ask for everything.

926
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 4: After this question, I'm going to keep going around the room,

927
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 4: but this is what I'm seeing in the chat A lot.

928
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 4: There was news that the Marlins fired their international scouting

929
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:01,600
Speaker 4: director today. What do you know about it? And what

930
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 4: can you tell us?

931
00:44:03,480 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, before you popped on because you're too lazy to

932
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:10,239
Speaker 2: get here on time, Ethan I said that. I said

933
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,280
Speaker 2: that I really didn't have enough on this yet. Andy

934
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,920
Speaker 2: Slater broke that story earlier. I know Seggie, I know

935
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 2: Fernando Seginal. I like him very much. It's like a

936
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,080
Speaker 2: like a lot of the guys in the organization, but

937
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,440
Speaker 2: clearly there's some disconnect for how they're they're getting guys internationally.

938
00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:26,520
Speaker 2: You know, everyone naturally is just going to point to

939
00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:29,240
Speaker 2: Victor Victor Mesa and say, oh, you got Victor Victor Masa.

940
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 2: That's it. You're done. I don't think that that is

941
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 2: the case. They did offer him another position in the organization,

942
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:37,880
Speaker 2: so that tells me it couldn't have been that terrible.

943
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 2: But my guess is for them to do this and

944
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 2: not do it at the end of the season, they

945
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,879
Speaker 2: must have their eye on somebody else that they want

946
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,959
Speaker 2: to run their international scouting. So I wish Saggy the best.

947
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:51,000
Speaker 2: He's been very, very kind to me in the time

948
00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 2: that he was here. Previous here he was with the Yankees.

949
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,960
Speaker 2: I believe when I would go to Rogerdine Stadium for

950
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 2: spring training, he's a really big, huge dude that would

951
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:03,000
Speaker 2: sit right behind home plate, always willing to have a conversation.

952
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 2: Played with the Montreal expos I'm a fan of the

953
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:09,960
Speaker 2: person and and hopefully he find I would guess he'll

954
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,000
Speaker 2: find his way somewhere else. But you know, bottom lines,

955
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:13,800
Speaker 2: the Marlins must have their eye on somebody. That's the

956
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:15,000
Speaker 2: only thing that I can think of here.

957
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I asked the same Victor Maso question. I won't

958
00:45:17,960 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 4: lie about that one, Daniel on that one. Yeah, Daniel Rodriguez,

959
00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:25,439
Speaker 4: let me get you back in here. Another question for Craig.

960
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 9: I'm looking here in the chat and the question that

961
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 9: really pops out front of the show. John Rodriguez was

962
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:35,279
Speaker 9: about Hissus Lusardo, where do you see him next year?

963
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,319
Speaker 9: Like that says here a triple A among lever Just

964
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:40,719
Speaker 9: what do the morlons having planned for him? Because he's

965
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 9: just been really up and down, mostly down since that

966
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 9: trade with for Marte.

967
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 2: He's he's actually looked much better the last few starts.

968
00:45:48,520 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 2: I think he's definitely shown, you know, more of what

969
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 2: they thought. But what happens is on like social media,

970
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:58,000
Speaker 2: the people who are what I call the homers, they're

971
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 2: only willing to look at the good, and you know,

972
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 2: I'm getting tossed around and you know, oh well what

973
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:05,120
Speaker 2: I thought you thought Lozarda was struggling.

974
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 6: What happened?

975
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 2: You know, It's like you gotta look at the whole

976
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:09,439
Speaker 2: body of work. It's the same equation where I see

977
00:46:09,440 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 2: these tweets about Sandy al contrac would have won the

978
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 2: cy Young if he hadn't given up twenty seven runs

979
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,160
Speaker 2: to the Dodgers and Rockies. Yeah. Really, I mean that's

980
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 2: kind of what baseball is. You give up twenty seven

981
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,439
Speaker 2: runs like that's that's the deal. So he's been good,

982
00:46:21,520 --> 00:46:25,799
Speaker 2: he's been bad. Shaky early in some games too. My

983
00:46:25,880 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 2: guess is the Marlins made that trade with Lazar getting

984
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 2: Lozardo because they thought they were making other trades. To

985
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 2: be honest with you, I think that's why they got

986
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 2: him at that time when the world were they adding

987
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 2: another pitcher for Starling Marte. In my opinion, I think

988
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,120
Speaker 2: that they thought that more was going to happen at

989
00:46:41,120 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 2: the dead line than they did not, So I think

990
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:47,399
Speaker 2: that Lozardo factors in going into spring training. I think

991
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,839
Speaker 2: that in the first five when we start seeing them

992
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,120
Speaker 2: line up guys for the regular season, I would think

993
00:46:53,160 --> 00:46:57,279
Speaker 2: that Lozardo was in that first five conversation. You know,

994
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:00,279
Speaker 2: you're one going into next year as Sandy. You know

995
00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:03,240
Speaker 2: your number two is most likely Trevor Rodgers left handed,

996
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 2: and then you have Pablo as the third starter. You

997
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 2: probably have Lozardo as the fourth, and then they'll just

998
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:09,799
Speaker 2: figure out as the fifth. But as we saw from

999
00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 2: the beginning of the season, Edward Cabrera maybe is the fifth.

1000
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 2: But as we saw from the beginning of the season,

1001
00:47:15,200 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 2: you know the four and five is very interchangeable. Those

1002
00:47:17,719 --> 00:47:19,680
Speaker 2: guys are, you know, in and out throughout the whole season.

1003
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,839
Speaker 9: I noticed you asked one more about that, just kind

1004
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,320
Speaker 9: of it goes with the reliever part, like with Zach Thompson,

1005
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 9: like what they did with him now putting him as

1006
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:31,240
Speaker 9: a reliever DC Lozardo. Is that and maybe your thoughts

1007
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 9: on having Zach Thompson, who was a starter now as

1008
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,480
Speaker 9: a reliever because he was a little both in the minors.

1009
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think that you see to see this

1010
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 2: is this is where the Marlins organization like some of

1011
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,840
Speaker 2: the conversations that we have, you know about players and

1012
00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 2: how they feel about players. Sometimes for me, the optics

1013
00:47:50,320 --> 00:47:52,919
Speaker 2: get in the way of the talent. And so as

1014
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:56,240
Speaker 2: you've watched them continually play some of these players who

1015
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,880
Speaker 2: we don't think should be playing every single day, you

1016
00:47:58,920 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 2: can be darn well sure that they're going to give

1017
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:05,359
Speaker 2: Haes Los Lozardo three chance to start next season after

1018
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:08,399
Speaker 2: being traded for Starling Marte. You can bank on that

1019
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:09,359
Speaker 2: happening right now.

1020
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 4: Now.

1021
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 2: It may not work out, but we but but based

1022
00:48:13,080 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 2: on the way that they've done business previously, they're going

1023
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:19,440
Speaker 2: to give this a very very long leash as starter.

1024
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:22,400
Speaker 2: So my guess is he you could say he'd be

1025
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 2: a good reliever. I don't. I think that he's getting

1026
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,480
Speaker 2: twenty five starts if he can make him next year.

1027
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:28,880
Speaker 4: Isaac, you had a follow up, and I think I

1028
00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:29,920
Speaker 4: know where you're going with this.

1029
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:32,200
Speaker 7: You know, I just noticed you. You didn't mention six

1030
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 7: though it's one of the guys for next year. I

1031
00:48:34,520 --> 00:48:36,399
Speaker 7: guess you know regarding six though Edward, all the major

1032
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:39,359
Speaker 7: league gady guys, including Paublo, Trevor Sandy, which one would

1033
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 7: you say is the Martins would be most willing to

1034
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:44,040
Speaker 7: trade for some talent.

1035
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,520
Speaker 2: Well, you know, look, I no matter what Edward does.

1036
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 2: I mean, maybe this will surprise you hearing this from me,

1037
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,239
Speaker 2: But no matter what Edward does, I think he's going

1038
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 2: to be good. I'm not really worried about him at all.

1039
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 2: I have more confidence in him than Lozardo. I think

1040
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 2: Edward Cabert is going to be a start. This reminds

1041
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:00,880
Speaker 2: me of when Sandy came up. He was walking everybody.

1042
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 2: He couldn't get anybody out. He's too good. Edward Cobert

1043
00:49:04,880 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 2: is too good not to be good at the major

1044
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:07,799
Speaker 2: league level. It may just take some time with him.

1045
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,960
Speaker 2: So I'm not particularly worried as far as like trades go.

1046
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 2: I don't think the likelihood of any of those names

1047
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 2: that you mentioned is a likely trade candidate. I think

1048
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 2: they'd be trading Hernandez as you mentioned, maybe some minor

1049
00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 2: league players and look Sixto Sanchez is I mean, is

1050
00:49:23,480 --> 00:49:25,680
Speaker 2: a dream to be healthy, But that's a dream at

1051
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 2: this point. You can't you can't count on that. I

1052
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:30,680
Speaker 2: don't think I don't think you can go into next

1053
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 2: year making any assumptions.

1054
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 4: At all, Right, Kevin, let kitchback in here.

1055
00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean the first question would be, I mean,

1056
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 6: I think ki Meg pretty much said that she kept

1057
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:42,439
Speaker 6: the door open. I'm not going to quote he or anything,

1058
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 6: because I'm not I don't remember to quote, but she

1059
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 6: talked about possibly keeping the doors open for a possible

1060
00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 6: Starling Martea reunion. What are the chances of that? I mean,

1061
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 6: what would have to happen for that?

1062
00:49:51,960 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels very slim, Kevin, and they had their chance,

1063
00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 2: you know, they had an opportunity there to do it.

1064
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,919
Speaker 2: They made the true by the way, to be clear

1065
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 2: on Marte, it was very very important. The Marlins have

1066
00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 2: the money to do this. They have the money. They

1067
00:50:07,520 --> 00:50:08,319
Speaker 2: chose not to.

1068
00:50:08,640 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 4: This was a choice.

1069
00:50:09,680 --> 00:50:12,160
Speaker 2: They chose not to give him a fourth year and

1070
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:15,000
Speaker 2: the money that he would have required to stay in Miami.

1071
00:50:15,120 --> 00:50:17,000
Speaker 2: So to say that the Marlins are poor and they

1072
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,160
Speaker 2: don't have money is not legitimate. Like they could have

1073
00:50:20,200 --> 00:50:22,160
Speaker 2: done this if they wanted to. They made the choice

1074
00:50:22,200 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 2: not to. They're not going to go back. I personally

1075
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:27,399
Speaker 2: don't think they're going to go back down that road again.

1076
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 2: They'll make the call at twelve oh one and you know,

1077
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 2: and say we really like you and we'd love you

1078
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 2: to come back. But yeah, they they could have had

1079
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,080
Speaker 2: They could have had them, and now they're again chasing

1080
00:50:38,120 --> 00:50:39,839
Speaker 2: another player that they hope is going to be as

1081
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 2: good in the off season Craig.

1082
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:44,320
Speaker 4: You know, on the Marte thing, like when he got traded,

1083
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 4: I was one that said, I don't think he's gonna

1084
00:50:47,120 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 4: get that fourth here. Four years deals are not that

1085
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 4: popular in baseball anymore. You know. Free agency has been

1086
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 4: really weird recently. But he has performed so well since

1087
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 4: being traded, and he was obviously great, well he was

1088
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 4: a Marlin. Is it pretty much guaranteed at this point

1089
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 4: somebody is going to give him four years on the

1090
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 4: open market?

1091
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,760
Speaker 2: I would think so. But Miami could have also gotten

1092
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,439
Speaker 2: creative if you were really worried about that fourth year.

1093
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 2: You could have paid eighty percent of that contract in

1094
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,440
Speaker 2: the first three and he would have been an easily

1095
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 2: movable player in year four if that was the deal.

1096
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 2: And really, are the Marlin's going to be worried Ethan

1097
00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:22,879
Speaker 2: about four years from now? Are you kidding me? We're

1098
00:51:22,880 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 2: going to be five years into this, We're worried about

1099
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 2: four more. I mean, you know it's swinning time now.

1100
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 2: It's got to happen next year or the year after

1101
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,400
Speaker 2: or really soon. And so I understand their thought process

1102
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:36,839
Speaker 2: on it, but this was a dice roll by them,

1103
00:51:36,920 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 2: and some other team is going to get crazy this offseason,

1104
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:42,719
Speaker 2: and without a doubt, I think we'll get the fourth year.

1105
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:46,680
Speaker 4: Yeah. I was one that said no, you know, I

1106
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 4: was kind of helding out on that fourth year, but

1107
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 4: I understand everybody that you know thinks he was worth it.

1108
00:51:51,760 --> 00:51:53,600
Speaker 4: But Kevin, I know you wanted to get back in

1109
00:51:53,640 --> 00:51:55,080
Speaker 4: here with Craig go ahead. Yeah.

1110
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:56,879
Speaker 6: I mean, one position I don't think we've really talked

1111
00:51:56,880 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 6: about has been first base because we have leaywhen the

1112
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:02,000
Speaker 6: you know what, we all would be the future guy there,

1113
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:03,879
Speaker 6: but we also have Aguilaar and Garrett Cooper. I mean,

1114
00:52:04,320 --> 00:52:07,000
Speaker 6: which one out of possibly aguilarn Cooper would be the

1115
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 6: odd guy out. I mean, assuming most likely it's Cooper,

1116
00:52:09,520 --> 00:52:12,360
Speaker 6: just because we assume we get the National League DH,

1117
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:14,800
Speaker 6: and then Aguilar would step into that role and Laywan

1118
00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,920
Speaker 6: would be at first. So you know, is there a

1119
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 6: chance that possibly Cooper gets traded or they just keep

1120
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 6: him on the roster.

1121
00:52:20,600 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a good question, Kevin, because thus far,

1122
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 2: Leywan has nothing left to prove in Triple A, but

1123
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:29,320
Speaker 2: he's yet to hit at all in the major leagues.

1124
00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:30,839
Speaker 2: We know he can defend, he's going to be an

1125
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:34,240
Speaker 2: elite defender, but he just hasn't hit. So we didn't

1126
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 2: really get enough time to see him to know. I

1127
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,600
Speaker 2: suppose we have a couple of weeks left, but that's

1128
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,840
Speaker 2: not really going to determine. I would hope it wouldn't

1129
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 2: determine one way or the other. Cooper can hit. I mean,

1130
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:46,120
Speaker 2: we know this. I mean it's you know, if the

1131
00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,880
Speaker 2: DH is there, you know, I would not trade Cooper.

1132
00:52:50,200 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 2: I would play him at DH one hundred and fifty

1133
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:56,680
Speaker 2: games if I could. I've been very very adamant about

1134
00:52:57,080 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 2: him being DH and hitting thirty forty home runs. You look,

1135
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 2: I think Ops is going to be higher than anybody

1136
00:53:01,600 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 2: on the Marlins at the end of the season. And

1137
00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:08,399
Speaker 2: then and look, Aguilar is now a little interesting as well.

1138
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:09,960
Speaker 4: You know.

1139
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 2: I'll have more on that tomorrow. But yeah, I mean

1140
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:16,440
Speaker 2: he's hurt, you know, so I don't know, you know,

1141
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 2: what the situation is going to be. He's a great guy,

1142
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,680
Speaker 2: very fun, great to be you know around in the clubhouse,

1143
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 2: one of those guys that can give you hitting instruction too,

1144
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 2: very important for a young team to have those players

1145
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 2: as well. So I don't really have the answer. I

1146
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:35,160
Speaker 2: would think all three can't be back, but the financial

1147
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 2: route tells you that they would keep Laywinning Cooper, and

1148
00:53:38,640 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 2: then the production route would tell you just keep Aguilar

1149
00:53:41,920 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 2: and Cooper, you know, just keep both guys and then

1150
00:53:43,960 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 2: worry about Laywin down the road. So I don't have

1151
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:48,319
Speaker 2: a clear answer for what they're going to do there.

1152
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 2: They didn't really have a clear answer going into this year.

1153
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 4: We're why now we've got about ten minutes until game time,

1154
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 4: And since you're here, Craig, I do want to get

1155
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:02,560
Speaker 4: you into our prediction segment because we love predictions. Right here, Noah,

1156
00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 4: one more question. I was going to ask if anybody

1157
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 4: had one more question, and then I'm going to ask

1158
00:54:06,239 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 4: a question to end it, and then we'll get into

1159
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,240
Speaker 4: a prediction. So no, I'll go ahead.

1160
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:11,879
Speaker 5: So I have a question from somebody in Uh, let's

1161
00:54:11,920 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 5: go fish discord. Since the the free agent off outfield

1162
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:19,240
Speaker 5: market is weaker than the infield market, if a trade

1163
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:24,640
Speaker 5: doesn't get made and Brian Anderson can be healthy, could

1164
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:27,120
Speaker 5: there be a discussion to move Brian Anderson back to

1165
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:31,280
Speaker 5: right field and sign a third baseman like Kyle Seeger,

1166
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 5: Chris Bryant or Nolan Eronato.

1167
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:38,720
Speaker 2: Aeronado's with with Saint Louis forever, but the other two guys,

1168
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 2: I don't I don't see that happening. Uh, you know Anderson,

1169
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 2: I mean I suppose that. I mean, isn't he He's

1170
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 2: going to be having and he's having surgery, uh, you know,

1171
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 2: on his shoulder. I can't imagine them them tinkering or

1172
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 2: moving anything with him. I mean, he's going to be questionable,

1173
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,920
Speaker 2: I think going into spring training, by the way, so uh,

1174
00:54:57,960 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 2: you know, I I think the odds they are pretty

1175
00:55:00,600 --> 00:55:02,800
Speaker 2: good that they bring in someone to hold the fourth

1176
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 2: down in February and March, and they'll probably hope that

1177
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 2: Anderson's ready for opening day, but he's gonna obviously be

1178
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:10,879
Speaker 2: a little bit of a question mark I think going

1179
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:12,880
Speaker 2: into the season. But no, I don't think they'll sign

1180
00:55:13,200 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 2: Chris Bryant or who was the other one, Kyle Kyle Seger.

1181
00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 2: I mean that's not impossible. Maybe Kyle Seger, but you know, look,

1182
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 2: it's anything is possible. They've put a catcher in left field,

1183
00:55:24,960 --> 00:55:25,839
Speaker 2: so certainly.

1184
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:27,760
Speaker 5: Don't even get me started.

1185
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, we all have one while you're on this side

1186
00:55:30,840 --> 00:55:31,319
Speaker 4: real quick.

1187
00:55:31,360 --> 00:55:36,760
Speaker 8: Ethan is on Brian Anderson. This I think is pretty concerning.

1188
00:55:36,800 --> 00:55:39,240
Speaker 8: This is how many times he's had this same injury

1189
00:55:39,280 --> 00:55:41,480
Speaker 8: to this same shoulder, right, I mean, I know it's

1190
00:55:41,480 --> 00:55:43,960
Speaker 8: not his throwing arm or anything, but two years left

1191
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:44,480
Speaker 8: to control.

1192
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:46,840
Speaker 2: Kim An kind of had a weird answer.

1193
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:48,360
Speaker 8: I know you were there for this when she was

1194
00:55:48,400 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 8: asked preseason about what's to Brian Anderson extensionly like, oh,

1195
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 8: I have to get to know the player or something

1196
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 8: to that regard, without directly quoting her, but yeah, his

1197
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:57,480
Speaker 8: future with the Marlins.

1198
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,399
Speaker 2: Tell us about that. Kim Mang had a weird answer,

1199
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 2: Are you sure.

1200
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 4: Really so?

1201
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 3: Uh?

1202
00:56:06,920 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I highly doubt they're gonna give Brian Anderson any

1203
00:56:10,360 --> 00:56:12,719
Speaker 2: kind of or offer any kind of long term extension

1204
00:56:12,800 --> 00:56:16,919
Speaker 2: with with with his with his injury, and in terms

1205
00:56:16,920 --> 00:56:18,879
Speaker 2: of moving him, they'd be moving him for twenty cents

1206
00:56:18,920 --> 00:56:20,640
Speaker 2: on the dollar. They're not. I don't think they're going

1207
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 2: to do that as well. So he has an opportunity

1208
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:28,040
Speaker 2: personally to go out next year, play one hundred and

1209
00:56:28,040 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 2: fifty games, hit twenty home runs, be the guy he

1210
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:33,239
Speaker 2: was two years ago, refuse to sign anything long term

1211
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 2: and then leave in two years and then to me,

1212
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 2: it seems the most plausible for him at this point.

1213
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 2: They chose not to go to him when they could

1214
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:42,960
Speaker 2: have and sign him. And he's got a family and

1215
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:46,160
Speaker 2: he's got a life to live too, so he's probably

1216
00:56:46,200 --> 00:56:48,399
Speaker 2: gonna want to prove it to himself next year too.

1217
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 2: So I don't know. I just see him back playing third,

1218
00:56:51,040 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 2: hopefully opening.

1219
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 4: Day, Kevin last one and that I've got a kind

1220
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 4: of round up question more as well.

1221
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:59,719
Speaker 6: Okay, is there any like possibilities that the Marlins maybe

1222
00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:01,719
Speaker 6: go after guy like Craig Kimberrell, mean like on a

1223
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 6: one year deal supposedly, mean, what would the chances be

1224
00:57:05,160 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 6: of a guy like Craig Kimbroll, who's on the White

1225
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 6: Sox right now, probably sharing the the closure role with

1226
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 6: Lim HENDRICKX. I mean, and putting in Kimberle would really

1227
00:57:12,160 --> 00:57:14,200
Speaker 6: I think solidify the bullpen. It would help it a

1228
00:57:14,200 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 6: lot because it'll solidify the closure role and it would

1229
00:57:17,000 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 6: get a guy who I think would all be a

1230
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,120
Speaker 6: lot more confident in than a Dylan Floor you know

1231
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 6: right now.

1232
00:57:22,080 --> 00:57:23,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought that's who they should have gotten in

1233
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:26,560
Speaker 2: the off season. He was a giveaway player by the Cubs,

1234
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 2: but you know he did not go that route. So Kimberl,

1235
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:33,120
Speaker 2: you know, this is this is not one of those

1236
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:38,080
Speaker 2: like just simple conversations because Craig Kimberrell is I mean,

1237
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:40,840
Speaker 2: maybe ken Lee Jansen and then Kimberl being in Chapman

1238
00:57:40,920 --> 00:57:43,320
Speaker 2: Like those are the three closers of the last decade

1239
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 2: that have been as good or better than anybody else.

1240
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:47,959
Speaker 2: I think this is a Kimberl choice. You know, where

1241
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 2: does he want to play to finish out? Would Miami

1242
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:53,360
Speaker 2: be on that list? I don't know, you know, like

1243
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,960
Speaker 2: he was an Atlanta guy and then and then he

1244
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 2: went to the Cubs. I mean, looking at Miami situation,

1245
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 2: is that one that he'd want to take on. Also,

1246
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,320
Speaker 2: you know, one year deal. In the back of your mind,

1247
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 2: what if they're not good? Are they going to trade me?

1248
00:58:07,640 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 2: Those are things that go into you know, that conversation

1249
00:58:10,440 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 2: as well. So I could see him on it on

1250
00:58:13,480 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 2: a contender. I don't know. I don't I don't feel

1251
00:58:16,160 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 2: like it's a fit.

1252
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 4: But we'll see Isaac go ahead.

1253
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 7: Uh so, Craig, you know this is we're getting into

1254
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:23,880
Speaker 7: year five, right, And if I'm not mistaken, I believe

1255
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 7: it was a five year contract for Derek Jeter, you know,

1256
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 7: five years twenty five million. If things go south again

1257
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 7: or what are the changes? And hopefully let's say, if

1258
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:33,120
Speaker 7: they don't go.

1259
00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 2: South, what would be a successful season in your book?

1260
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,720
Speaker 7: And then Derek Jeter's book of like, you know, how

1261
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 7: many wins would would that need to take?

1262
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 2: But if things do go south, what's.

1263
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 4: The deal with That's a that's a loaded question with.

1264
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:45,840
Speaker 7: Jeter, you know, five years, twenty five million, it's his

1265
00:58:45,920 --> 00:58:46,920
Speaker 7: last year of his contract.

1266
00:58:47,160 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 2: Let's let's play, you know, let's say things go really

1267
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 2: bad right here. Yeah, you know, that's a great question.

1268
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:56,160
Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to that. I don't know

1269
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 2: the answer to that. I don't. As far as I know,

1270
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 2: this is still the last year of that deal. You can't.

1271
00:59:04,440 --> 00:59:07,160
Speaker 2: You can say that that they've done phenomenal things in

1272
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:10,040
Speaker 2: the community, they've done great things in the Dominican Republic,

1273
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 2: They've built the farm system back. You can say all

1274
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:17,120
Speaker 2: those things. Those things are all true. But the one thing, Isaac,

1275
00:59:17,160 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 2: that I think that no that we've we've just stopped

1276
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:24,240
Speaker 2: talking about it because it's it's like vomit inducing to

1277
00:59:24,280 --> 00:59:27,240
Speaker 2: talk about. But it is, in the end, the truth.

1278
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,680
Speaker 2: They're still not putting fans in that place that was

1279
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:36,280
Speaker 2: part of this, and I can't. I can't see a

1280
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 2: positive end to this unless that changes. And I know

1281
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:41,920
Speaker 2: part a lot of it is winning. I get it.

1282
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 2: And I know that Derek has made some comments that

1283
00:59:44,680 --> 00:59:46,960
Speaker 2: the kids, you know, they don't they don't really care.

1284
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 2: They just want to see the game. It doesn't really matter,

1285
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 2: you know, you know, they don't even know the score.

1286
00:59:52,000 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 2: I think you said maybe sometimes or something like that.

1287
00:59:55,520 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 2: The other thing they did was they built that thing

1288
00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 2: in the outfield with this millennial thing. I have no

1289
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 2: idea what even what that was whatever, but you know,

1290
01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 2: it's it's it's it's a tough question for me to

1291
01:00:07,080 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 2: answer because I simply don't know. I don't know where

1292
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:11,960
Speaker 2: his mind is on all this. Does he want to

1293
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:13,840
Speaker 2: be in this, I think he does, But does he

1294
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:15,400
Speaker 2: want to be in this for the for the long

1295
01:00:15,400 --> 01:00:17,520
Speaker 2: haul after next year? I really don't know. I don't

1296
01:00:17,520 --> 01:00:20,479
Speaker 2: know the answer, but I but I've said this before,

1297
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 2: I'll say it again. Massive changes would have to happen

1298
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 2: if we saw something similar to this year, and I

1299
01:00:28,280 --> 01:00:30,920
Speaker 2: think that anything would go at that point next year,

1300
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 2: anything would go from the top to the bottom. I

1301
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 2: could see anything happening. So I really don't have a

1302
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 2: great answer for that, but it is a really good question.

1303
01:00:39,200 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 7: I think they really thought, I'm sorry, Ethan, they really

1304
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:43,760
Speaker 7: thought that people are gonna start coming to the games

1305
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 7: solely based on the fact that the old regime was gone,

1306
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:47,640
Speaker 7: that Samson was no longer there.

1307
01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:51,160
Speaker 2: They did they really think that was gonna happen? No, No,

1308
01:00:51,240 --> 01:00:52,760
Speaker 2: But but I think that the word that they use

1309
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 2: is fairs. They wanted to build trust with the community.

1310
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,600
Speaker 2: They've been successful left that they're great people. I really

1311
01:00:57,640 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 2: like the people that work for the organization. Pandem.

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Speaker 6: I'm a kid.

1313
01:01:00,560 --> 01:01:02,160
Speaker 2: Yes, you can throw that in there. Is you know

1314
01:01:02,200 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 2: a little bit of you know, an excuse last year.

1315
01:01:04,160 --> 01:01:08,480
Speaker 2: I look, all of that is definitely possible, but you

1316
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:12,680
Speaker 2: know you cannot expect to be I'll say this, you

1317
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 2: can't expect to be eight to ten games under five hundred.

1318
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 2: I don't think at this time next year and expect

1319
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 2: fans to be going. We've shifted our focus over to football,

1320
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:22,880
Speaker 2: like we know how this works, and then basketball is

1321
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 2: at the beginning of the season. The only way is

1322
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:29,080
Speaker 2: going to be winning or figuring out what the secret

1323
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:32,480
Speaker 2: is to get more creative. Look, I am no marketing expert.

1324
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 2: I've said the same thing all along, and I've told people.

1325
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 2: I've told people this in the organization and I don't

1326
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:41,600
Speaker 2: know if it would work or not. But if it

1327
01:01:41,680 --> 01:01:44,400
Speaker 2: was me from day one, the first thing that I

1328
01:01:44,440 --> 01:01:48,360
Speaker 2: would have done as the CEO and owed or whatever

1329
01:01:48,480 --> 01:01:50,960
Speaker 2: the organization is, there would not be a child in

1330
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 2: South Florida wouldever have to pay for a ticket to

1331
01:01:53,160 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 2: go see a Marlins game ever. Again, I would have

1332
01:01:55,120 --> 01:01:58,280
Speaker 2: let them all in for free all the time, have them,

1333
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:00,400
Speaker 2: tell their friends, have them grow up, go to all

1334
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:02,920
Speaker 2: the games for free, tell their buddies, how do they

1335
01:02:02,920 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 2: get into the game? Their parents got to take them,

1336
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:06,400
Speaker 2: They got to spend the money. That's the only way

1337
01:02:06,400 --> 01:02:08,520
Speaker 2: they could get there. Let them all in like they've

1338
01:02:08,520 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 2: done in a couple of other cities, twelve and under,

1339
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:13,880
Speaker 2: and you get your concessions. And yeah, there's gonna be

1340
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:15,880
Speaker 2: kids running around like crazy at the ballpark. But that's

1341
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 2: how you build a fan base. They are just at

1342
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:22,840
Speaker 2: such a disadvantage. There's at such a disadvantage with the

1343
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 2: other other places. The answer was never building it for millennials,

1344
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 2: No disrespect intended, but millennials are still not going to

1345
01:02:29,080 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 2: the games. They're not coming at home. They're on their phone,

1346
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:35,520
Speaker 2: you know. Like you know, my son is nine, he

1347
01:02:35,680 --> 01:02:37,440
Speaker 2: like watches like this is how I know what's going

1348
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:39,120
Speaker 2: on with the Marlins, because he tells me every single day.

1349
01:02:39,120 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 2: Oh it is oh Dela Cruz, Oh he made a

1350
01:02:41,400 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 2: great catch, all got over his head. Oh you know what.

1351
01:02:43,680 --> 01:02:46,600
Speaker 2: This is how I'm finding out to build your fan

1352
01:02:46,640 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 2: base with the with the ones who are going to

1353
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 2: be here in five ten years from now, not the

1354
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,400
Speaker 2: ones who are not going to care anyway. And you know, look,

1355
01:02:53,440 --> 01:02:55,760
Speaker 2: there's been some made about Brower too, and and to

1356
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 2: me that was a little bit foolish from the beginning,

1357
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 2: just kind of dismissing that idea. But that was you know,

1358
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:02,840
Speaker 2: if you go back and you look at their season

1359
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:05,080
Speaker 2: ticket fan base back in the old ballpark, which by

1360
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:06,760
Speaker 2: the way, was very low, a lot of it was

1361
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:10,800
Speaker 2: Broward And they did change the games to six forty East.

1362
01:03:10,840 --> 01:03:12,280
Speaker 2: I know some people don't like that. I think that

1363
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:15,640
Speaker 2: was a positive. But twelve year old under no kid

1364
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:17,640
Speaker 2: would ever pay again. And in five years all those

1365
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:19,080
Speaker 2: kids who were going for free are going to be

1366
01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:21,600
Speaker 2: adults paying to the games. Hypothetically, at least, that would

1367
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:22,320
Speaker 2: be what I would do.

1368
01:03:22,600 --> 01:03:25,440
Speaker 5: I do think they have to make this stadium more accessible,

1369
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,720
Speaker 5: more easily, more easy to get to, Like there has

1370
01:03:28,800 --> 01:03:31,760
Speaker 5: to be more options to get to the game other

1371
01:03:31,840 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 5: than just driving your car, taking the bus or taking Uber. Yeah,

1372
01:03:35,520 --> 01:03:37,720
Speaker 5: I mean, I don't know, I have a pretty part

1373
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 5: Ivy line or something.

1374
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:41,560
Speaker 2: I mean, no, I have a pretty easy time getting

1375
01:03:41,560 --> 01:03:42,120
Speaker 2: in and out of there.

1376
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:48,360
Speaker 4: Man, Like I because a lot of people come I live.

1377
01:03:48,440 --> 01:03:50,480
Speaker 2: I live in Broward County, I live in Hollywood and

1378
01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 2: and and you know a lot of times I'm leaving

1379
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 2: the game at the same time as everybody else, or

1380
01:03:57,560 --> 01:04:00,280
Speaker 2: just after, or just before. And I I mean, I

1381
01:04:00,280 --> 01:04:02,160
Speaker 2: think the traffic thing is a little bit of a fallacy.

1382
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,160
Speaker 2: To be honest with you, I don't think that that's

1383
01:04:04,200 --> 01:04:06,120
Speaker 2: really it. I think they got to get creative as

1384
01:04:06,160 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 2: to the people that they're bringing to the park, the

1385
01:04:09,280 --> 01:04:12,360
Speaker 2: people who live around the little havana in the stadium.

1386
01:04:12,560 --> 01:04:16,360
Speaker 2: It's been proven they're not coming coming. It's not happening.

1387
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 2: Go out get the other people, all.

1388
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 4: Right, the last thing I want to get you out

1389
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 4: of here on it's kind of bouncing off of Isaac's

1390
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,440
Speaker 4: So Derek Jeter, right, he just went into the Hall

1391
01:04:26,440 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 4: of Fame. He's the captain, he's a four or five

1392
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:33,120
Speaker 4: time World Series champion. He can't accept losing for this long.

1393
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 4: I feel like, and you've said this before, I've heard

1394
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:37,960
Speaker 4: you say this before, that at some point he's going

1395
01:04:38,040 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 4: to try and make the change. How confident do you

1396
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:42,960
Speaker 4: feel that in twenty twenty two this will be an

1397
01:04:43,000 --> 01:04:43,919
Speaker 4: improve ball club.

1398
01:04:46,080 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 2: Listen, you know they like to use the same lines.

1399
01:04:48,600 --> 01:04:50,360
Speaker 2: I'm going to use the same lines just like on

1400
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 2: their behalf. I can be optimistic or yeah, I can

1401
01:04:54,240 --> 01:04:56,680
Speaker 2: be optimistic, but I cannot be confident. I cannot be

1402
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:00,920
Speaker 2: confident based on what I've seen, I cannot I can hope.

1403
01:05:01,360 --> 01:05:03,919
Speaker 2: I can hope that that next year that they're going

1404
01:05:03,960 --> 01:05:06,360
Speaker 2: to do it. But but looking at this roster right

1405
01:05:06,400 --> 01:05:08,120
Speaker 2: now and where they are at this moment, how can

1406
01:05:08,160 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 2: I possibly be confident that they're going to win eighty

1407
01:05:11,080 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 2: games next season. It's amazing that people are satisfied with that.

1408
01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:15,840
Speaker 2: By the way, maybe they should lose every game the

1409
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:17,560
Speaker 2: rest of the season so they can be plus thirty

1410
01:05:17,600 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 2: next year. Like what I mean five years of being

1411
01:05:20,520 --> 01:05:22,680
Speaker 2: under five hundred is okay? Or one year they were

1412
01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 2: over I guess last year. But I'm optimistic because that's

1413
01:05:27,240 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 2: that's where I'll be. I need them to be good

1414
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:31,280
Speaker 2: for me, for you, for my podcast or things that

1415
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 2: I do.

1416
01:05:32,400 --> 01:05:33,440
Speaker 4: I would like them to be good.

1417
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm like, I'm so negative now because

1418
01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:39,600
Speaker 2: they're losing a million games. It's not what I want,

1419
01:05:39,800 --> 01:05:41,320
Speaker 2: is what it is. It's what it is.

1420
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:43,440
Speaker 4: It would make some of those it would make some

1421
01:05:43,440 --> 01:05:45,520
Speaker 4: of those Wednesday nights at the ballpark in the press

1422
01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:46,200
Speaker 4: box easier.

1423
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 2: For sure year Next year, guys, we've got to have

1424
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 2: a good year, like a real good year, compet like

1425
01:05:51,840 --> 01:05:54,680
Speaker 2: we're talking right now. September thirteenth, that they're.

1426
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 4: Not done right. They're competing at least in case. You know,

1427
01:05:59,160 --> 01:06:01,400
Speaker 4: obviously everybody with love a playoff appearance. But I think

1428
01:06:01,480 --> 01:06:04,520
Speaker 4: it's just competing for the playoffs late into the season

1429
01:06:04,600 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 4: that would bring fans in the ballpark. It would get

1430
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 4: people excited, and it would make people. I think the

1431
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 4: most important thing is it would make people feel you said, optimistic,

1432
01:06:12,720 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 4: not confident, confident in the direction that they're going in,

1433
01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 4: that they actually took a step forward. Because while last

1434
01:06:18,880 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 4: year was obviously a bit you know, the circumstances and everything,

1435
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:23,880
Speaker 4: it was a bit of a fluke. This was obviously

1436
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 4: a huge step back this year. I think we can

1437
01:06:26,880 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 4: all say that.

1438
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 2: I mean, look, there's nothing that looks Cincinnati is in

1439
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 2: it this year. What business do they have being in it?

1440
01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:33,919
Speaker 2: You know, like why not Miami? I mean they should

1441
01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:36,160
Speaker 2: be in the same spot next year as them. You

1442
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,280
Speaker 2: know Toronto, I mean, what did Toronto do all of

1443
01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,080
Speaker 2: a sudden? They went out, They got Springer, they got

1444
01:06:40,160 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 2: hung in ru, they got the shed flag, couple of

1445
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,440
Speaker 2: pictures in Boom. They're they're right in it too, you know, Padres,

1446
01:06:46,960 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 2: there's no reason. What did the raids again? There's no Milwaukee.

1447
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:53,120
Speaker 2: Look how good Milwaukee is? What business do they? What

1448
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 2: does Milwaukee have two good pictures? Miami has three? Come on,

1449
01:06:56,800 --> 01:06:59,600
Speaker 2: there's no reason why next year they shouldn't be in

1450
01:06:59,640 --> 01:07:02,480
Speaker 2: the eight. As far as wins, come on, you cannot have,

1451
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 2: cannot be satisfied with if they win thirteen more games

1452
01:07:06,080 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 2: and they did last year and that takes them from

1453
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:11,000
Speaker 2: sixty six to seventy nine, that's not enough.

1454
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:16,120
Speaker 4: So all right, Marlins offseason talk completed. There is a

1455
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 4: series that we're supposed to technically be previewing here. Why, Craig,

1456
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,520
Speaker 4: I know right, I know right. It's it's the Marlins

1457
01:07:23,600 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 4: and the Nationals. We love this part. Daniel Rodriguez, your

1458
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 4: prediction for this series three game set?

1459
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 9: I think they take two games, the first and the

1460
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:35,680
Speaker 9: last one. The middle of that they face as the

1461
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:39,000
Speaker 9: Sarto and Eric Fee has just been the Marlins killer

1462
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:42,080
Speaker 9: this entire season. He has like an under two point

1463
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:44,320
Speaker 9: era against the Marlins and everyone else.

1464
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 2: It's like eight seventy r A. I think they take

1465
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:48,160
Speaker 2: two out of the three.

1466
01:07:48,880 --> 01:07:50,040
Speaker 4: Isaac, go ahead.

1467
01:07:50,200 --> 01:07:51,920
Speaker 2: You know I've done this once before. I'm gonna do

1468
01:07:51,960 --> 01:07:52,680
Speaker 2: it again this time.

1469
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:56,120
Speaker 7: I don't care now you hope to see Sandy Patrollio busy,

1470
01:07:56,120 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 7: Trevor Patolio busy, Losarto pitchwell.

1471
01:07:58,200 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 2: So at this point in IDC, for me.

1472
01:08:00,640 --> 01:08:03,320
Speaker 4: It's the Marlins and Nationals? How much of how many

1473
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:05,840
Speaker 4: of us really care? Alex Carver, are you gonna do

1474
01:08:05,880 --> 01:08:06,360
Speaker 4: the same thing?

1475
01:08:07,400 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 2: I mean I should.

1476
01:08:08,800 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 8: I agree with Craig like why why and Isaac as well,

1477
01:08:11,760 --> 01:08:15,480
Speaker 8: but yeah, like Eric finey like like like Daniel said,

1478
01:08:15,520 --> 01:08:17,639
Speaker 8: that's pretty much like Vince Alaska is two point zero.

1479
01:08:17,840 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 2: He's horrible against everybody else and kills the Marlins. So

1480
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 2: I don't know about that game. The last two times

1481
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:24,160
Speaker 2: he's pitched, he's been really good.

1482
01:08:24,520 --> 01:08:27,160
Speaker 8: Got a Rogers versus Rogers matchup on Sunday, so I

1483
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 8: guess that would be like your headline of this whole

1484
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:31,360
Speaker 8: disastrous series that's about to have him.

1485
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:34,639
Speaker 4: But I'll say two of three, Kevin, go ahead.

1486
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm about to say I don't care, but uh,

1487
01:08:37,439 --> 01:08:39,760
Speaker 6: I'm gonna go as well. Two out of three here,

1488
01:08:39,920 --> 01:08:43,040
Speaker 6: I think they'll take the Sandy and the and the

1489
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:45,800
Speaker 6: Trevor start. Even though do you think Lizard will pitch

1490
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,160
Speaker 6: a good game? I think, uh, that guy has really

1491
01:08:48,160 --> 01:08:49,280
Speaker 6: just killed the Marlins this year.

1492
01:08:49,400 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, two, three, No, I think you're going to sweep here.

1493
01:08:52,920 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 5: I have to because everyone else is not is not going,

1494
01:08:55,240 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 5: is not going for it. Somebody has to do it.

1495
01:08:57,240 --> 01:08:59,280
Speaker 6: I'll tell you this. I'm really close to things sweep

1496
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 6: until I heard who is pitching that second do it.

1497
01:09:01,280 --> 01:09:02,120
Speaker 5: I'm just gonna do it.

1498
01:09:02,160 --> 01:09:04,960
Speaker 4: I'm doing it, Craig. The Marlins have to finish out

1499
01:09:04,960 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 4: the last place to feel a little better, right, especially

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Speaker 4: after what the Nationals did.

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Speaker 2: So I don't know about that. What does that really matter?

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01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:13,280
Speaker 2: Who who pitches the next two games.

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01:09:13,040 --> 01:09:15,879
Speaker 4: After tonight and then Rogers?

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01:09:16,160 --> 01:09:20,439
Speaker 2: Oh, Trevor Rodgers pitches Wednesday? Yeahah yeah, I mean they

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01:09:20,439 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 2: have a good chance to win. I would say win

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01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:22,799
Speaker 2: two out of three.

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01:09:23,400 --> 01:09:27,040
Speaker 4: Your prediction for the real prediction I want is Saturday afternoon,

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01:09:27,080 --> 01:09:28,360
Speaker 4: three point thirty in the swamp.

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01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:32,040
Speaker 2: Yes, already got I'm gonna be the Marlins Pirates game.

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01:09:32,080 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 4: You can, I can honestly say, gladly say, I will

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01:09:38,360 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 4: not be in Marlins Park. I will be in I

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01:09:41,320 --> 01:09:42,000
Speaker 4: don't know, I.

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01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,160
Speaker 2: Can't wait. I feel like the game will be closer

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Speaker 2: than the spread.

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01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:49,800
Speaker 4: Within I agree, I agree. Hey, we came within six

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01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:53,400
Speaker 4: of them. In the SEC Championship Games. No, I'll say

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01:09:53,520 --> 01:09:55,720
Speaker 4: that the Marlins take two out of three. I will not.

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01:09:55,960 --> 01:09:58,280
Speaker 4: You will not trap me into predicting the Gators beating

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01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:00,760
Speaker 4: Bama in a public forum. You will trop me into

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01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:04,040
Speaker 4: doing that. Craig. Thank you, Craig, thank you so much

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Speaker 4: for joining us. It was just such a treat and.

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01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:09,519
Speaker 2: My pleasure follow all of you guys and listen. I

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01:10:09,600 --> 01:10:14,240
Speaker 2: understand as fans, you know certainly there's UH. You know

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01:10:14,280 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 2: you want to support your team and you and you

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01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 2: want to be optimistic. And for some people who are

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01:10:18,200 --> 01:10:21,360
Speaker 2: looking at that, they're look at me year round and

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01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:24,960
Speaker 2: they just expect all sunshine and rainbows. I try to

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01:10:25,040 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 2: keep it transparent and keep it real as much as

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01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 2: I can. When they win, I'll be their biggest cheerleader.

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01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 2: But when they lose, I'm gonna say they lose. So

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01:10:33,080 --> 01:10:34,880
Speaker 2: you guys should never give up your heart, never give

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01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 2: up your fandom. I totally respect that, and UH, and

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01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:40,080
Speaker 2: I enjoy watching all of you guys and seeing all

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01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:42,400
Speaker 2: you guys tweet and do what you do. But you know,

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01:10:42,520 --> 01:10:43,960
Speaker 2: we all have a job to do out there, and

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01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:45,479
Speaker 2: my job is to call it how I see it.

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Speaker 4: Craig. We love you. Thanks so much. You're welcome back

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Speaker 4: on any Fish Stripes platform at any time.

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01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:54,440
Speaker 2: You know, you guys might have asked one more question, actually.

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01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:55,840
Speaker 4: Do you want him to come?

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01:10:57,840 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 2: Yeah? Sure?

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01:10:58,400 --> 01:10:58,679
Speaker 4: Whatever.

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01:11:00,479 --> 01:11:03,080
Speaker 7: Do you think they may be bringing an executive here

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01:11:03,080 --> 01:11:04,800
Speaker 7: because there's a little bit of an experience in my opinion,

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01:11:04,800 --> 01:11:05,600
Speaker 7: the front office.

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01:11:05,320 --> 01:11:07,240
Speaker 2: You know, Jeter and Kimany you breaking up. I can't

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01:11:07,240 --> 01:11:07,880
Speaker 2: really hear that one.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so much for joining us, guys, Go Gators

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01:11:12,600 --> 01:11:14,880
Speaker 4: on this weekend. Go Fish Craig, Thanks again, all right,

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Speaker 4: guys see letter