Speaker 1: What's that at the foot of my bed.
Speaker 2: It's spooky.
Speaker 1: I'm jooky. I'm really sure it's dead.
Speaker 3: It's coming this way.
Speaker 4: Wait a minute, I said.
Speaker 1: By Ross Dressed and hey boo, it's me Ros Dress flas.
Speaker 1: I hope that everybody is still staying safe and uh,
Speaker 1: you know, doing doing well, being healthy and keeping busy.
Speaker 1: I'm happy to be here giving you some uh some content.
Speaker 1: I know next week I'm going to be doing some
Speaker 1: more mini episodes because people seem to enjoy those, so
Speaker 1: look out for that. But today I got to catch
Speaker 1: up with some of you, our listeners. So I talked
Speaker 1: to four listeners and we have all kinds of stories
Speaker 1: coming at you today. You're gonna hear all different different
Speaker 1: kinds of stories. You're even gonna hear some different viewpoints
Speaker 1: on demons. It's it's great, so let's just get it started.
Speaker 1: Here's the listeners on with the show. Hi Tyler, Hi,
Speaker 1: where are you calling from?
Speaker 5: I am currently calling from Baltimore. I'm originally from the
Speaker 5: New Orleans area.
Speaker 1: Ah. Interesting, because you sent me an email that I
Speaker 1: was like, wait a minute, okay, we have to you
Speaker 1: have to be on this show. And there's so much
Speaker 1: there was so much in there. There was lots of
Speaker 1: sounds like kind of witchcraft stuff and a reptilian creature.
Speaker 1: You've seen shadow people. I don't even know where to begin.
Speaker 1: So what's the story?
Speaker 6: You do?
Speaker 1: You summon demons?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 2: So I.
Speaker 5: I throughout early childhood, all the way up until the
Speaker 5: present I'm thirty now, have been studying the occult, not
Speaker 5: just like demons and angels, but planetary energy, her meticism,
Speaker 5: pretty much everything that was available in the early nineteen
Speaker 5: nineties Internet, which was a lot more than I think
Speaker 5: most people knew. And so my demon conjuring days are
Speaker 5: pretty much limited to early high school because that's when
Speaker 5: you do that.
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 5: Ye. My biggest demon conjuring experience that I remember being
Speaker 5: one that if someone elsewhere in the room they would
Speaker 5: have had a really palpable experience, actually started pretty simply.
Speaker 1: Or Banale.
Speaker 5: I had lost in astronomy textbook, which happened to be
Speaker 5: like one hundred and sixty five dollars, and I tried
Speaker 5: everything on my own, from like you know, your candle
Speaker 5: spell a la charmed to just like honestly praying to
Speaker 5: find the textbook and never did. So I got a
Speaker 5: little desperate and wanted to try some of the skills
Speaker 5: I had been reading in books. So I constructed the
Speaker 5: circle of the Art and the triangle of Solomon, which
Speaker 5: are the two main things you need in order to
Speaker 5: summon a demon. And I found the appropriate demon in
Speaker 5: The Lesser Key of Solomon. For anyone interested, that demon's
Speaker 5: name is Vasigo the Assgo, and I believe he's the
Speaker 5: third of seventy two demons listed.
Speaker 1: Okay, I don't know anything about any of this, but
Speaker 1: I'm fascinated.
Speaker 5: So they comes from a book called The Lesser Key
Speaker 5: of Solomon, which probably does not come from King Solomon.
Speaker 5: But the mythology is that Solomon was tasked with building
Speaker 5: the Temple of Israel and knew that he could not
Speaker 5: do it on his own, so use his authority as
Speaker 5: a human, which technically outranks a demon. He conjured them
Speaker 5: into triangles and forced them using the power of God
Speaker 5: to do his bidding. And so the book is a
Speaker 5: list of demons that were used in that act and
Speaker 5: what they're what they can be called on for.
Speaker 1: Okay, all right.
Speaker 5: So yeah, so imagine like a fourteen year old kid
Speaker 5: alone in his living room at three o'clock in the
Speaker 5: morning with like a poster cutout of a triangle with
Speaker 5: like full metal alchemist looking stuff on it in a
Speaker 5: circle and like a terry cloth robe. Really feeling my
Speaker 5: wizard fantasy totally. And so I started with the preliminary
Speaker 5: like vanishing rituals, which are supposed to basically like create
Speaker 5: a clean space so whatever you're welcoming in is pure
Speaker 5: in its form and can kind of be met how
Speaker 5: it is. So I did those and then got to
Speaker 5: the conjuration, which you really have to work up a
Speaker 5: lot of energy, if you can imagine trying to call
Speaker 5: up a demon from help. So it took a few times,
Speaker 5: and I actually switched over into what's called a Nokian
Speaker 5: there's an angelic language you can use to conjure these spirits.
Speaker 5: And once I switched there, I really started noticing something
Speaker 5: different happening. A dry heat set into the room, like
Speaker 5: when you get into a sauna and it's set way
Speaker 5: too high, but you don't realize it immediately until it
Speaker 5: just really gets thick and penetrating on you. Yeah, and
Speaker 5: then it seemed like gravity got really heavy too, and
Speaker 5: concentrated into one point, which was in a black mirror
Speaker 5: of the triangle that I had created, so like basically
Speaker 5: spray painting glass. So I had a mirror that was
Speaker 5: just pure blackness to look within, and I could feel
Speaker 5: all of the gravity centering on that object, like it
Speaker 5: would spark or vibrate if I touched it. And after
Speaker 5: that point I put aside my fear of, oh well,
Speaker 5: I think I may actually have a demon in my
Speaker 5: living room, and that opens a whole other Pandora's box
Speaker 5: of what do what am I going to do? But
Speaker 5: I put that aside because in order to be able
Speaker 5: to do the successfully, you have to do it with confidence,
Speaker 5: like if if Moses could control you, or if King
Speaker 5: Solomon could control you, by damn it, I have the
Speaker 5: right to too. So I tried to adopt that mentality,
Speaker 5: and as soon as I did, it was like a
Speaker 5: little keyhole was open in the mirror, like not the
Speaker 5: whole thing I couldn't see, like a you know, a
Speaker 5: reptilian looking thing. That's later, I could just get a
Speaker 5: sense that whatever I was trying to call up was listening,
Speaker 5: and was listening so fast that I didn't need to
Speaker 5: say anything out loud. So I started asking my question
Speaker 5: question like look I've lost this textbook. This is the
Speaker 5: first time I've tried anything like this. I think this
Speaker 5: is an easy request. I don't think we need to
Speaker 5: sit here and argue about.
Speaker 1: What you're owed.
Speaker 5: You know you already rule in health, so that should
Speaker 5: be good enough for you. And I need the textbook back.
Speaker 5: And if you're wondering, how like question answer happened, it
Speaker 5: was as if I could not form my statement quickly
Speaker 5: enough for it to be answered. It was being answered
Speaker 5: and asked at the exact same time inside my mind.
Speaker 1: But were you terrified?
Speaker 5: I was terrified of the energy present in the room.
Speaker 5: I knew that if I had left the circle were
Speaker 5: kind of put aside that stance and just gotten afraid
Speaker 5: that I was really cooked. But I trusted that I
Speaker 5: had waited long enough to practice other things, more important things,
Speaker 5: before I took this on. Even though I was in
Speaker 5: early high school looking back at was pretty foolish. I
Speaker 5: was able to kind of reserve my fear for after
Speaker 5: I had vanished and realized the experience was over. So
Speaker 5: I concluded politely. I gave the spirit what's called a
Speaker 5: license to depart, and he left no trouble. I didn't
Speaker 5: feel any lingering energy in that room for the rest
Speaker 5: of the time.
Speaker 2: I lived there.
Speaker 5: But the next day the book was returned. How what
Speaker 5: happened was it seems as if another student took my
Speaker 5: home textbook copy by mistake because it was left underneath
Speaker 5: one of the desks I had used, and they were
Speaker 5: going through their books trying to clear things out, and
Speaker 5: realized they had a book that didn't belong to them,
Speaker 5: and it was returned.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 5: I'd been waiting the whole semester for that to happen.
Speaker 5: I pretty much lost it before I could even get
Speaker 5: a chance to really use it. But it happened to
Speaker 5: me at least, so I've got no complaints.
Speaker 1: So after that experience where you pro demon conjuring for
Speaker 1: different things in life.
Speaker 5: I think, you know, I use other forms of magic,
Speaker 5: like primarily like sigil work or spirit creation to get
Speaker 5: things done, because you're really inviting cosmic hilarity to ensue
Speaker 5: when you ask a spirit to do things for you,
Speaker 5: Like you know, you can ask for money, and then
Speaker 5: the way you get money as all the pipes in
Speaker 5: your house bursting and you get renters insurance, you know,
Speaker 5: and so you've got to like really know what you're
Speaker 5: asking for, and make sure that you're like respecting the
Speaker 5: tradition you're approaching in an attempt to get it. So
Speaker 5: I devise things on my own. I would say, though,
Speaker 5: that angels are by far more terrifying than demons. Why
Speaker 5: would you say that, because a demon kind of operates
Speaker 5: from the same id ego relationship that we do.
Speaker 3: Like, it wants.
Speaker 5: Things, It understands materiality, it sees shades of gray. It
Speaker 5: might be manipulative, but a lot of us have.
Speaker 1: Sex with people who are manipulative.
Speaker 5: You know, that doesn't necessarily stop people, whereas an angel
Speaker 5: like is in a different realm of like sensorium entirely.
Speaker 5: So what's important to it is something that you cannot
Speaker 5: conceive of, and its version of helping you might as
Speaker 5: well be destroying you.
Speaker 3: Like You're just not sure.
Speaker 1: Interesting. Yeah, I guess I've never talked to somebody that
Speaker 1: has some indeeds or knows much about this stuff at all.
Speaker 1: I'm very fascinated. Okay, So tell me about seeing a
Speaker 1: reptilian creature.
Speaker 5: Okay, So that was something completely separate from any like
Speaker 5: magical world I've done on my own. It was a
Speaker 5: spontaneous experience, but it did happen? When I was in
Speaker 5: mid middle school, I was on a Cheers marathon with
Speaker 5: my mom.
Speaker 1: Oh Cheers, the sitcom. Yeah, I was thinking Netflix Cheer.
Speaker 1: Have you seen that show?
Speaker 5: No, it was three Netflix, but I think we would
Speaker 5: have watched that anyway.
Speaker 1: But it's a very different show.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but we were, you know, we were deep into Cheers,
Speaker 5: and you know, she was out, she passed out. But
Speaker 5: I was laying in bed, not asleep. And let me
Speaker 5: be clear, this was not sleep paralysis. The lights were
Speaker 5: out and I saw this entity move into the room
Speaker 5: from the hallway adjacent to the bedroom, and it was
Speaker 5: you know, I was young at the time, so size
Speaker 5: might be kind of distorted, but it was somewhere between
Speaker 5: five eleven and six four in that COVID height, and
Speaker 5: it was made of condensed green and orange particles like
Speaker 5: TV static that had coalesced into a shape. And the
Speaker 5: shape was like somewhere between the creature from the Black
Speaker 5: Lagoon and that. It had that kind of reptilian like
Speaker 5: droopy shape that had like fans coming out, but its
Speaker 5: eyes were completely a vibrant red and as it as
Speaker 5: it entered the room, it went to the floor, but
Speaker 5: it didn't like hunch over onto the floor. It melted
Speaker 5: like Alex Mack from Nickelodeon if you remember that.
Speaker 1: Do you remember that?
Speaker 5: Yeah, So it changed like phases, so it was no
Speaker 5: longer like an entity that looked like it had bones,
Speaker 5: and it dropped down to the floor. And then it
Speaker 5: stretched out the same shape it had when it was standing,
Speaker 5: but along gated, and it began to like slither on
Speaker 5: the side of the bed that I was on in
Speaker 5: this really serpentine fashion, with its jaw completely unhinged, like
Speaker 5: its jaw was like at least a foot and a
Speaker 5: half open, and it seemed to be like eating the
Speaker 5: air like when you see it like a whale or
Speaker 5: a manta ray go through the water to get plankton.
Speaker 5: And when it reached my side of the bed and
Speaker 5: it stood up, but it did it in the same
Speaker 5: kind of like melting way that it had fallen to
Speaker 5: the ground, and it got nose to nose with me.
Speaker 5: And of course at that point I was completely panicking,
Speaker 5: but I could still move and everything. I was wide awake.
Speaker 5: So I turned over to my mother and shook her awake,
Speaker 5: like don't you see this? Don't you see this? I
Speaker 5: turned back to the entity.
Speaker 1: I still see it.
Speaker 5: And then I turned back to her and she says, no,
Speaker 5: I turned back, it is gone.
Speaker 1: So what do you think that was a result of
Speaker 1: or you know, where does that come from?
Speaker 5: You know, it all gets really woo woo after the
Speaker 5: story happens, like then the speculation happens. But to me,
Speaker 5: my speculation is that it's some form of astral energy
Speaker 5: or like an aggregation of intelligence in the astral plane
Speaker 5: that is not necessarily human but is accustomed to being
Speaker 5: around humans. Because it was curious, but it wasn't it
Speaker 5: wasn't instigative, and it didn't look like the shadow people,
Speaker 5: which they just look like they're observing or that they're
Speaker 5: like crossing paths with you, they don't really care. This
Speaker 5: one seemed to like know what people are and what
Speaker 5: they do, and it was trying to frighten me.
Speaker 1: Do you what do you think this is a little
Speaker 1: conspiracy theory? E? But what do you think about when
Speaker 1: people say that like powerful there's a lot of powerful
Speaker 1: leaders in this world that are reptilian creatures. Do you
Speaker 1: think that's true?
Speaker 5: I wish it we're true, because then like they would
Speaker 5: be really easy to manipulate I think what the I
Speaker 5: think more like the Gnostics used to think, and that
Speaker 5: there are like archons of this realm, that, like the
Speaker 5: material realm, is governed by some like physical and psychological
Speaker 5: forces which are inherently corrupt and ignorant. And so I
Speaker 5: think that we are contending more with like a demon
Speaker 5: of ignorance that actually could have intelligence on other planes
Speaker 5: of existence, rather than thinking like we've got like David
Speaker 5: iike kind of reptilian illuminati.
Speaker 1: I can tell you've given this some thought. You what
Speaker 1: do you do for a liver? Aren't you? Don't you work?
Speaker 1: What do you do again?
Speaker 5: So I am in the middle of switching professions. I've
Speaker 5: been doing acute psychiatric therapy, primarily with like recently hospitalized
Speaker 5: or hospitalized patients with a specialty on LGBTQ people who
Speaker 5: also happen to have schizophrenia and bipolar disorder and things
Speaker 5: like that, And so I've kind of got a specialty
Speaker 5: within community psychiatry, but I've really lost a sense of
Speaker 5: like room for growth in the field. So I'm transitioning
Speaker 5: into sculptural ceramics and like tarot card reading full time.
Speaker 5: I finally have a spouse graduated from residency, so I
Speaker 5: can start relying on some doctor cash.
Speaker 1: Okay, I want to hear about shadow people.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Well, shadow people are something that if you
Speaker 5: google you can probably find a few other things, primarily
Speaker 5: like Coast to Coast used.
Speaker 1: To talk about them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and there are different camps of shadow people, but
Speaker 5: let's we could talk about two major ones. You've got
Speaker 5: your regular shadow people, which seem to move usually quite
Speaker 5: quickly through spaces like hallways and really generally anywhere in a.
Speaker 1: Home that.
Speaker 5: Doesn't seem dependent on whether or not the house has
Speaker 5: been occupied in a way that would make it susceptible
Speaker 5: to haunting, but that the spirit itself has a relatively
Speaker 5: human form. The trends with shadow people are that they
Speaker 5: happen on the borders of waking and sleeping. Again, you
Speaker 5: have to think about sleep paralysis or when people are
Speaker 5: occupied with another task and they see them dart across
Speaker 5: their eye. I've seen also the other type, which are
Speaker 5: top hat men, and they're supposed to be more like malicious,
Speaker 5: that meaning they like manifest with the intent to frighten,
Speaker 5: whereas the shadow people are just like wandering around and
Speaker 5: we don't really even know whether or not they're aware
Speaker 5: we exist all the time.
Speaker 1: So you're saying that there's these shadow people that are
Speaker 1: serving looks in their top hats, and their whole job
Speaker 1: is like, Okay, I'm clocking in and now it's time
Speaker 1: to scare the shit out of people, like they had
Speaker 1: that's their sole purpose.
Speaker 5: Or perhaps that you know, it's either something akin to
Speaker 5: like a sexual thrill, or that they are somehow energized
Speaker 5: by the activity of making others frightened. You could flip
Speaker 5: it around and say maybe they are a projection of
Speaker 5: or a psyche that is manifesting is something that wants
Speaker 5: to scare us. I don't really make conclusions about any
Speaker 5: of those things. I just look at my experience. I've
Speaker 5: seen the top hat men congregate around the foot of
Speaker 5: my bed again when I'm not in sleep paralysis, but
Speaker 5: they were. They dissipated as soon as I started to
Speaker 5: do like ritual that I know to do to like
Speaker 5: push away unwanted spirits. I've seen shadow people together with
Speaker 5: my grandfather now deceased, within his home, like running around
Speaker 5: in his utility room, putting their face up against the
Speaker 5: glass of the door, like we would see them at
Speaker 5: the same time, like while he was reading the newspaper,
Speaker 5: and we just would note it and then move on
Speaker 5: to other subjects.
Speaker 1: Now, do you think that, since you have had so
Speaker 1: many of these experiences, do you think there's a relationship
Speaker 1: between you seeking it out and these things happening, like
Speaker 1: you seeking different forms of magic and deeminology and that
Speaker 1: sort of thing.
Speaker 5: I think once you have the interest and you begin
Speaker 5: to learn the kind of what we would call magical
Speaker 5: hygiene of keeping your energetic body in order, keeping your
Speaker 5: perspective balanced, and trying to learn as much as possible,
Speaker 5: you seem like an attractive person to approach, Just like
Speaker 5: if we were to think about spirits trying to find someone,
Speaker 5: they would have a chance at conversing within a bar,
Speaker 5: you know, and then your energetic body becomes more capable
Speaker 5: of handling sensing, and then I don't know, respecting more
Speaker 5: charged energy spaces and entities. So it would make sense
Speaker 5: that you would be someone to go to if available.
Speaker 5: But I know that there are people who desperately want
Speaker 5: experiences and they don't get them. So I don't know
Speaker 5: that it's the desire that attracts.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well again, I mean that's been me lately. I
Speaker 1: don't you know, I don't really want, like I don't
Speaker 1: want top hat men at the foot of my bed,
Speaker 1: but but I do kind of want something to happen
Speaker 1: when I'm looking for it. But I think that they don't,
Speaker 1: they're not into that.
Speaker 5: I think it's you know, I think a good place
Speaker 5: to start is to make sure that your own energy
Speaker 5: is like clear and projecting well, because it's like, if
Speaker 5: you don't have a routine going to constantly work on
Speaker 5: your faculties of perception, you could be having things happening
Speaker 5: in your everyday life that you were cognitively skewed to
Speaker 5: disavow psychologically. And so rather than trying to go to
Speaker 5: places that hauntings happen in, sometimes it's easier to just
Speaker 5: focus on how are you most available.
Speaker 1: To be haunted?
Speaker 5: Hmm okay, because you know, like I've worked in mental
Speaker 5: hospitals since before I could drink alcohol, and I've never
Speaker 5: found one to be haunted.
Speaker 1: Huh.
Speaker 5: But I've been to people's houses that were built like
Speaker 5: ten years ago and they're the only people who've lived
Speaker 5: in them, and you know, there's somebody up in there.
Speaker 1: Really because of like what happened on the land before
Speaker 1: or what like somebody brought the ghost in or yeah,
Speaker 1: or like I can.
Speaker 5: When my great grandmother used to live on Valence Street
Speaker 5: in New Orleans and moved to Annunciation Street, she had
Speaker 5: this night the habit of playing solitaire with herself and
Speaker 5: watching the Lawrence Walk Show. This blues to how I
Speaker 5: became gay later in life, perhaps, but she would play solitaire.
Speaker 5: In one night she had a presence, a manifest behind her,
Speaker 5: and she turned around and it was a woman in
Speaker 5: monochrome in like an eggshell color, wearing the veil so
Speaker 5: she couldn't make out her face. And the woman just
Speaker 5: kept saying, it's cold down here, it's cold down here.
Speaker 5: And my great grandmother talked to everyone else in the family.
Speaker 5: They couldn't identify her, partially because of the shroud she
Speaker 5: was wearing. So finally she got sick of her and
Speaker 5: was just like, yeah, it's cold down there. You're dead,
Speaker 5: You're in the ground. And this continued solitaire and she
Speaker 5: didn't have it again.
Speaker 1: I've been interrupting, Lawrence.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, like that's in Cajun families, like especially like
Speaker 5: Cajun's who are still Catholic, hauntings and things are like
Speaker 5: commonly accepted, even if everyone doesn't really frequently have the experience,
Speaker 5: and it's not uncommon to pray for people for several
Speaker 5: days after they're dead and waiting for a sign that
Speaker 5: they're okay. My aunt made a wager with my other
Speaker 5: relatives too, in particular, that if she died and went
Speaker 5: to Hell, she wouldn't be able to do anything on earth,
Speaker 5: Like she wouldn't have the power to like throw a
Speaker 5: vase across the room, right, But if she was in
Speaker 5: purgatory or heaven, she probably has some flexibility about what
Speaker 5: she could do. So she told them that she would
Speaker 5: shake the cross off of her coffin at her wake,
Speaker 5: and if she did that, that meant that she had
Speaker 5: access to where they were having the funeral. So she
Speaker 5: was okay, And I'll have you know that at that funeral,
Speaker 5: the cross shook off the coffin and landed at the
Speaker 5: feet of the people she made the promise to.
Speaker 1: WHOA interesting, So maybe if you're in hell, like you
Speaker 1: don't get a visitor pass that thinking.
Speaker 5: I think it's I think it's like a rational line
Speaker 5: of thought, even if the whole subject in general is
Speaker 5: you know, a little out there. Yeah, And we've had
Speaker 5: other family members like you know, you say your ninth
Speaker 5: day of the Rosary for them and they turn all
Speaker 5: the lights off in the house just to.
Speaker 3: Let you know.
Speaker 5: And we like m I have family who lived on
Speaker 5: like not the old big house of plantations, but lived
Speaker 5: in like workers' houses is what they call them down there,
Speaker 5: aka slavery encampments, who have had really interesting spooky things happen.
Speaker 5: Like you know, one of my one of my grandmothers,
Speaker 5: had a h a boy whose legs were beaten in
Speaker 5: that basically lived on one side of her bed and
Speaker 5: would constantly like wail and cry God. They had also
Speaker 5: a set of twins in that same town. And my
Speaker 5: other grandmother, who was an Italian, was doing gardening and
Speaker 5: she had a man come up to her and pass
Speaker 5: her a garden tool. So she was kind of disarmed,
Speaker 5: and she looked up at him and talked to him,
Speaker 5: and he said they hung the wrong one. She asked
Speaker 5: for him to clarify, and he just repeated himself, they
Speaker 5: hung the wrong one. So this is like back in
Speaker 5: the eighties and stuff, where libraries had microfiche and things
Speaker 5: like you had to do like stranger things research, right,
Speaker 5: And so she did that for that area and found
Speaker 5: out that one of two identical twins was hung for
Speaker 5: stealing a wallet and it looked like him.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, thank you so much for sharing all this.
Speaker 5: Oh you're so welcome.
Speaker 1: At least. Where are you Texas, US?
Speaker 7: Yes, I'm in Dallas.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. You know I lived there for like
Speaker 1: a couple of months one time, did you. I liked it.
Speaker 1: I had a good time. I lived in like Bedford, Texas.
Speaker 1: I thought it was cool.
Speaker 7: That's really close to where I'm at. That's so funny.
Speaker 1: Way wait what yes.
Speaker 7: Okay, I'm officially starting to get creeped out.
Speaker 1: Well, I know, we had a weird thing happened where
Speaker 1: you like just messaged me to be on a listener episode,
Speaker 1: and then I had someone drop out, like right around
Speaker 1: the same time you messaged me, and I was like, well,
Speaker 1: can you do it today because we got an open
Speaker 1: spot and it worked out. It's awesome. What you know,
Speaker 1: this is so funny.
Speaker 7: This is like the second thing like that that's happened
Speaker 7: to me this week where it's like a creepy coincidence.
Speaker 7: Do you ever have weeks like that where all these
Speaker 7: weird things keep happening totally of that There's a girl
Speaker 7: that I've been following forever on Instagram, and I reached
Speaker 7: out to her this week and we found out that
Speaker 7: I briefly lived in Chicago and apparently the house that
Speaker 7: I lived at was like two minutes from the house
Speaker 7: she grew up in. Crazy.
Speaker 1: Wow, I know what is the story? You said? The
Speaker 1: story you said? He sounds interesting. I don't know if
Speaker 1: I've had anybody tell one like this on the show yet.
Speaker 1: And so you you've got uh, you got lost and found,
Speaker 1: you found your way back paranormally.
Speaker 7: Yes, it sounds weird. So I'm not a big religious person.
Speaker 7: I've told some people this story and they think it's
Speaker 7: like a guardian angel story, but I don't necessarily see
Speaker 7: it that way. So I'll see what you think. But
Speaker 7: I was younger. I was visiting my dad in Midland,
Speaker 7: Odessa at the time. He lived separately from where my
Speaker 7: mom and I lived, and while at work, my stepmom,
Speaker 7: oh god, I want to say five or six pretty young?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, really young, and my step mom decided I
Speaker 7: had a baby sister at the time, that she was
Speaker 7: going to take us out of the house and in
Speaker 7: their little subdivision, they had a church, and the church
Speaker 7: had a playground, so she thought, you know, I'll go
Speaker 7: on a walk, just take the kids to the playground
Speaker 7: kill some times. So I was running ahead of her
Speaker 7: and the stroller and I saw the playground, so I
Speaker 7: just kind of took off because we'd been walking for
Speaker 7: a while, and I turned back around. I had gone
Speaker 7: on the swing set and I just started swinging because
Speaker 7: I assumed, you know, she's right behind me. She knows
Speaker 7: I'm going to the playground. So I was swinging for
Speaker 7: a while, and then I got off the swing and
Speaker 7: I looked back down the road where the playground was
Speaker 7: off of and like her and my sister were totally gone.
Speaker 7: I didn't see my step mom. The stroller was gone,
Speaker 7: and I'm like, that's so weird. I mean, she was
Speaker 7: right behind me. I don't understand where she thought I
Speaker 7: was going.
Speaker 1: That's like the biggest ir. When I was a little kid,
Speaker 1: I got lost in in like an office depot or
Speaker 1: something like that, just a couple of minutes. But that
Speaker 1: is the scariest thing ever.
Speaker 7: When you're a child, it is scary and it well,
Speaker 7: I mean to most kids that would be their panic moment.
Speaker 7: But I'm like, eh, whatever, I'll keep playing for a while,
Speaker 7: she'll sign me. So I just kind of went back
Speaker 7: to doing my own thing. But you know, it started
Speaker 7: to get later, and I'm like, ah, right, I know
Speaker 7: I've been here for a while and she's still not here.
Speaker 7: I mean, something's going on. So like in this church
Speaker 7: parking lot, there's like a church, a playground, and a
Speaker 7: parking lot that's kind of for both of them. So
Speaker 7: I walked over to the parking lot and I sat
Speaker 7: down on one of those like curbs, you know where
Speaker 7: the cars can park, the little yellow concrete slab, and
Speaker 7: I was trying to figure out, Okay, what do I do?
Speaker 7: And then I started to really panic because I couldn't
Speaker 7: remember how to get back to my dad's house, like
Speaker 7: the path that we took to get, you know, to
Speaker 7: the playground and all that. Because I wasn't paying attention,
Speaker 7: and I saw that there was these guys across the
Speaker 7: street in a house, older guys probably like my dad's age,
Speaker 7: and they were packing up a car with like coolers
Speaker 7: and lawn chairs. I'm like, well, I could go ask them,
Speaker 7: but I don't think I'm supposed to be talking to
Speaker 7: older guys that I don't know. So I just started
Speaker 7: trying in this church parking lot because I was so
Speaker 7: scared and I didn't know what to do. And I
Speaker 7: look up and I see this old woman who's coming
Speaker 7: out of the garage that these guys, you know, are
Speaker 7: loading their car into or whatever. And she walks up
Speaker 7: to me and she's like, hi, honey, are you okay?
Speaker 7: What's the matter? And I said no, you know, I
Speaker 7: lost my step mom and I don't remember how to
Speaker 7: get back to my dad's house. And she said, well,
Speaker 7: can I sit with you for a minute? And I
Speaker 7: said yeah, sure, And she said, I tell you what,
Speaker 7: I bet you your step mom is out looking for
Speaker 7: you right now. I think that let's just stay put
Speaker 7: and see if maybe she comes back around and we
Speaker 7: can find her. And if not, then we'll see if
Speaker 7: we can call your dad and get him to come
Speaker 7: get you. And I said okay. So I sat with
Speaker 7: her for probably twenty thirty minutes, and we just kind
Speaker 7: of sat there and she kept talking to me. I
Speaker 7: couldn't remember what she was wearing, what she looked like.
Speaker 7: I just remembered that her eyes like. I made eye
Speaker 7: contact with her and immediately felt calm, like everything was
Speaker 7: gonna be okay. We were going to figure this out.
Speaker 7: It wasn't a big deal. And I thought, oh, it's
Speaker 7: just because she's an adult. You know, kids always feel
Speaker 7: safe around adults, and.
Speaker 1: Specially older women. I feel like a grandma figure is
Speaker 1: like the most comforting probably.
Speaker 7: Right, most grandmas are nice, yeah, and I mean especially
Speaker 7: southern grandma's, you know. So we waited and there were
Speaker 7: a couple of ladies that walked by, and she kept
Speaker 7: turning to me and saying, well, is that your stepmom?
Speaker 7: And I'd say no. And finally it had been forever
Speaker 7: I see my stepmom, and I got so excited I
Speaker 7: just took off and I went to her. I mean,
Speaker 7: apparently that's what I was good at doing back then.
Speaker 7: It's just taking off. And she was so mad at me,
Speaker 7: and she yelled at me, and she said, well, you know,
Speaker 7: I don't know why you were in the parking lot
Speaker 7: when I was looking for you in the playground. And
Speaker 7: I said, oh, well, I went and sat there then
Speaker 7: I was sitting with the old lady. And she's like, what,
Speaker 7: old lady, you were sitting by yourself when I saw you,
Speaker 7: And I said, no, that old lady that she was
Speaker 7: sitting right next to me. She came from that house,
Speaker 7: and the guys were kind of looking at us, and
Speaker 7: my stepmom just dismissively was like, oh okay, And so
Speaker 7: she shouted to one of them and said, hey, tell
Speaker 7: your mom thank you for sitting with my kid, and
Speaker 7: they gave her the weirdest look, like the fuck is
Speaker 7: she talking about. So apparently it was just me that
Speaker 7: saw the old lady. I don't know if maybe she
Speaker 7: haunted the house, because I specifically saw her walk out
Speaker 7: of that garage. I don't know where she went, but
Speaker 7: I remember her sitting next to me, And my stepmom
Speaker 7: said that when she turned the corner she saw me
Speaker 7: sitting there in the parking lot, but she said I
Speaker 7: was sitting alone.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. Well that's a very sweet story.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 7: It's beaten then it's also kind of creepy.
Speaker 1: It is creepy. But I think, especially when you're very
Speaker 1: young like that, you don't even really know, Like I mean,
Speaker 1: that's like so much stuff is so real to you,
Speaker 1: like even imaginary friends, Like it's probably hard to even
Speaker 1: determine what is real and what isn't. You As you
Speaker 1: get older, you start to learn what is really creepy
Speaker 1: and what isn't and I'm sure that. I mean, were
Speaker 1: you terrified when you were little, after you found out
Speaker 1: that she wasn't really there?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I got really scared. And because she she looked
Speaker 7: exactly like you or me. I mean, she didn't look
Speaker 7: like an apparition, she didn't have a weird glow, she
Speaker 7: wasn't blurry. I mean she looked and I thought, oh
Speaker 7: my god, if she looked so real, how many other
Speaker 7: people have I seen that have just looked like completely
Speaker 7: normal people but were actually not there?
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, that's what I mean. Oh wow, you see
Speaker 1: dead people? Yeah, so very creepy, like the sixth sense.
Speaker 7: No, I don't want to six I'm too scared.
Speaker 1: Well well yeah, I mean, like I said, that could
Speaker 1: have been it could have been a way creepier ghost.
Speaker 1: It sounds like a really sweet Yes, that's true. I
Speaker 1: mean yeah, I can see where people would interpret that
Speaker 1: as like a guardian angel. I mean, she she comforted you.
Speaker 8: But that's true.
Speaker 7: And I mean it was like a church parking lot,
Speaker 7: So I get it that people could associate the two.
Speaker 7: But you know, I don't know, I feel like when
Speaker 7: I'm a ghost, i'd rather just do mischievous stuff. It's
Speaker 7: more fun. But I guess every once in a while
Speaker 7: you like to do something nice. You're like, all right, I've.
Speaker 1: Been I'll take off the white sheet that i've been,
Speaker 1: you know, spooking people with and the Yeah, just sit
Speaker 1: down and be nice to a little kid friend moment.
Speaker 7: Exactly. You do your one nice thing and then you
Speaker 7: can go back to being a jerk again.
Speaker 1: I've been ghosted too, Tyler from Saint Petersburg, Florida? Is
Speaker 1: that where you said? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Saint Petersburg, Florida.
Speaker 1: Isn't that like? Wait, Saint Petersburg, is that like the
Speaker 1: really old or am I thinking of someplace else? What's
Speaker 1: like the it's.
Speaker 4: Kind of like a greater Tampa area, you know. It's
Speaker 4: kind of like it's it's like the Brooklyn to the Manhattan.
Speaker 4: I'm originally from New York South. It's like the easiest
Speaker 4: reference for me to make.
Speaker 1: Yes, Tampa the Manhattan of the southeast.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So wait a minute, you stayed at a haunted hotel?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I mean so I have like a lot of experiences
Speaker 4: with ghosts, Like, well.
Speaker 1: Let's hear them. I got time, you know, where I
Speaker 1: have to be I have nowhere to be until June eighth.
Speaker 4: Oh, like literally, I have nothing to do.
Speaker 3: Like I've been looking foward to this for like days.
Speaker 6: Too.
Speaker 3: I remember on my phone like ready for this interaction.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm so excited. Okay, Well tell me some ghost stories.
Speaker 4: Well I'm like kind of I know you say you're
Speaker 4: sensy like to the spirits, like they kind of sense you.
Speaker 4: I'm also very sensy to that stuff, but like I'm
Speaker 4: very open to it. Like I made a ouiji board
Speaker 4: so I could talk to them, like I I've gotten
Speaker 4: into taro stuff like that. So I'm like really into
Speaker 4: like kind of like that spiritual side of it. And
Speaker 4: it's okay cool because it's something that's like opened up
Speaker 4: a lot of like I guess, like levels of communication
Speaker 4: with like things that like I don't know, not in
Speaker 4: this realm type. So I'm really like sensy to that stuff.
Speaker 4: And I feel like as a kid, I was even
Speaker 4: more open to it. But obviously, like as a kid,
Speaker 4: like if a ghost approaches you, you're scared, like so it's
Speaker 4: like the scariest thing ever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, what's the first time you encountered it? Goes?
Speaker 4: The first time I can't think of like a specific
Speaker 4: like first time, but I definitely had like encounters and
Speaker 4: like the story I sent you about staying in the
Speaker 4: haunted hotel was definitely like the most personal and like
Speaker 4: the one that stands.
Speaker 3: Out the most.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's hear it.
Speaker 4: So my family I live in like a big Irish
Speaker 4: family of six, and we just like over summers, pile
Speaker 4: into our minivan and drive all around the country and
Speaker 4: do stuff like that and stay at little hotels and
Speaker 4: just do kind of like fun family trips like that.
Speaker 4: So we ended up staying in this hotel as a
Speaker 4: result of one of those trips. We were visiting some
Speaker 4: caverns in Pennsylvania. They're called like the lore Cabin caverns.
Speaker 3: I don't I don't know.
Speaker 4: I tried liking up the name of the hotel to
Speaker 4: tell the story, and I couldn't find it. Like I
Speaker 4: called the hotel to ask if they knew about like
Speaker 4: hauntings or anything like that, and they said no. But
Speaker 4: we had like a specific interaction with some locals that
Speaker 4: said that the hotel we were staying in was absolutely
Speaker 4: haunted and like everyone knows it.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, so anybody that's listening and lives
Speaker 1: in that area. Let us know what it's called.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because I tried to do some research and my
Speaker 4: mom thinks that the name of it was the Laurie
Speaker 4: Cavern Cabin Motel something like that. So I tried looking
Speaker 4: up that and I couldn't find anything, obviously, so I
Speaker 4: don't know. So we were looking for a place to
Speaker 4: stay after we were checking out these beautiful cab or what
Speaker 4: are the caverns with the lagmites and stuff like that,
Speaker 4: you go like underground into a cave.
Speaker 1: I don't know, totally, yeah, something like that.
Speaker 4: They were gorgeous, I remember that, and we were we
Speaker 4: wanted to find a place in town to stay the
Speaker 4: night because there was like six of us when we're
Speaker 4: all like cranky little kids and wanted.
Speaker 3: To go to bed and whatever. So our parents found.
Speaker 4: This really cheap and it was the only available place
Speaker 4: obviously for a reason now knowing what happened, but it
Speaker 4: was the only open place there and we it was
Speaker 4: like this little town home. It really wasn't like a
Speaker 4: hotel room, which was the weird thing about it was
Speaker 4: it had like a kitchenette, a living room, and like
Speaker 4: an entire upstairs where the bedrooms were so while we
Speaker 4: were sleeping, everyone went to bed. I was sharing a
Speaker 4: room with my brother, and my brother and sister were
Speaker 4: sharing a room. We finally got to bed, and it
Speaker 4: was late. I was still watching TV, just trying to
Speaker 4: go to bed. I didn't really sleep as a kid,
Speaker 4: because I don't know, I was like a weird little
Speaker 4: kid who would just always stay awake and like, So
Speaker 4: maybe that's why I had so many experiences with ghosts.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe things are just happening all the time and
Speaker 1: people are just sleeping through it.
Speaker 4: Honestly, I'm pretty sure that's the thing, because I felt
Speaker 4: feel like if I like had stayed up more and
Speaker 4: like experienced like more of what was happening, especially at
Speaker 4: this hotel, I probably would have like talked to a
Speaker 4: ghost or something. So in hindsight, like, I'm kind of
Speaker 4: like sad that I didn't have like enough bravery to
Speaker 4: like work up and go and meet the ghost at
Speaker 4: this hotel.
Speaker 1: But oh well, oh god, Okay, so what happened? Was
Speaker 1: it like a a happy ghost or a main ghost?
Speaker 1: What do you think?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: I don't really know.
Speaker 4: I was like laying in bed and I could hear
Speaker 4: somebody walking up and down the stairs because it was
Speaker 4: like kind of carpeted floor, so it made that like
Speaker 4: very distinct sound of like somebody, like, you know, the
Speaker 4: ruffled footsteps going up and downstairs.
Speaker 3: And my little brother had already gone.
Speaker 4: Asleep, because I was trying to talk to him to
Speaker 4: see if he if he heard it, because I thought
Speaker 4: everyone was asleep.
Speaker 3: It was about like maybe two thirty am, not quite
Speaker 3: the witching hour.
Speaker 4: I know that it was like two thirty am, and
Speaker 4: I could hear them walking up and down and I
Speaker 4: was like, this is really weird. And then the light
Speaker 4: turned on outside the room, which was even more weird
Speaker 4: because I was like, I thought my parents were asleep,
Speaker 4: so I could hear the footsteps still going up and
Speaker 4: down the stairs, so I didn't know if my parents
Speaker 4: were doing something or whatever, so I like being the
Speaker 4: curious kid I was. I stuck my head out the door,
Speaker 4: and there was nobody there, so I was like, uh,
Speaker 4: this is weird. So I started to kind of get
Speaker 4: freaked out at this point, but I didn't want.
Speaker 3: To leave my room. And then I kept hearing the
Speaker 3: footsteps again.
Speaker 4: They kept going up and down the stairs, up and
Speaker 4: down the stairs, and I was get really freaked out.
Speaker 4: And then the footsteps stopped when they got up the
Speaker 4: stairs again, and I saw a shadow underneath the door. Yeah,
Speaker 4: like a very distinct shadow. So I was like, okay,
Speaker 4: this must be my dad. I was trying to like
Speaker 4: talk some sense into myself and like talk some sense
Speaker 4: into the situation. And then I was like, oh, my dad,
Speaker 4: he's just getting some water. I don't know, maybe he's
Speaker 4: getting water for my mom, my brother, my sister, I
Speaker 4: don't know. He's going up and down the stairs, and
Speaker 4: I see his shadow and he's coming over to my door.
Speaker 4: And I'm like, okay, so this is just my dad
Speaker 4: coming over my door. And the shadow stops. I hear
Speaker 4: the footprints go, and they're going and they stop right
Speaker 4: outside the door, and the shadows right outside the door.
Speaker 4: And so I distinctly see a shadow of a person
Speaker 4: with the light coming through of a person right outside
Speaker 4: the door. And they don't come in, and nothing happens,
Speaker 4: and I can still see the shadow, they'll see the shot.
Speaker 3: I'm like, all right, what's going on?
Speaker 4: So I finally got out of bed and I opened
Speaker 4: the door and there was nobody there, weird, and there
Speaker 4: was definitely, Like, as I was walking up to the door,
Speaker 4: there was definitely the shadow of.
Speaker 3: A person standing just right on the other side of
Speaker 3: the door.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So then did you what did you do? You
Speaker 1: just went back to bed? Did you think it was
Speaker 1: a ghost? No?
Speaker 4: I basically shot my pants and I got in bed
Speaker 4: with my little brother and he was really mad and
Speaker 4: confused as to what was happening. I was like, I
Speaker 4: can't do this anymore. I need to sleep in the
Speaker 4: bed of somebody because I'm so freaked out.
Speaker 1: N sorry, I shot in your bed.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 3: I was literally so scared.
Speaker 4: Come morning time, my older brother was talking to my
Speaker 4: mom about something in the kitchen and I could hear them,
Speaker 4: and my mom says to him, She's like, okay, well,
Speaker 4: don't say anything to your siblings. I don't want them
Speaker 4: to get freaked out. And I heard them say that.
Speaker 4: So I walked right and I'm like, what do you
Speaker 4: not want to say here? And my older brother was like, oh, well,
Speaker 4: last night my TV went on in the middle of
Speaker 4: the night and it was on a channel that we
Speaker 4: weren't watching before we went to bed, and it just
Speaker 4: kind of scared me a little bit, which is what
Speaker 4: he said and then as we got older, he told
Speaker 4: us it turned onto like a really scary movie, Like
Speaker 4: the TV went on to just this really scary movie
Speaker 4: on a channel that they weren't watching before they went
Speaker 4: to bed, in just the middle of the night. M Yeah,
Speaker 4: and he was like, I I guess he got really
Speaker 4: freaked out by that. And my dad didn't tell us
Speaker 4: this until way later. But that same night he had
Speaker 4: heard the same footprints going up and down the stairs
Speaker 4: and he thought somebody was trying to break into the
Speaker 4: motel and or he thought somebody had broken in.
Speaker 3: So he got out of bed and was.
Speaker 4: Like looking around and he slept on the couch that
Speaker 4: night because he thought somebody was like breaking in or
Speaker 4: trying to break in, because he could hear like footprints
Speaker 4: with somebody or like the sound of somebody walking around
Speaker 4: the hotel.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so that was just all the same night thing.
Speaker 1: That place sounds huge.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was really big. It was like really weird
Speaker 4: that we just happened to find this place. It was
Speaker 4: like basically a town home, not a hotel.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, okay, I want to know more about this place.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have to figure this one out.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that was that was the that was like the
Speaker 4: really distinct thing because I remember that so vividly because
Speaker 4: it was so freaky. You just kind of expected somebody
Speaker 4: to be on the other side of that door, right,
Speaker 4: like you could see the shadow of them. I could
Speaker 4: pretty much see like their feet on the other side
Speaker 4: of the door.
Speaker 1: Oh, so, what are your other experiences?
Speaker 4: So I use the Ouiji board a lot, and in
Speaker 4: college I had kind of convinced my friends like try
Speaker 4: it out, and I was like, it's not freaky, Like
Speaker 4: you've got a lot of answers, Like if you're trying
Speaker 4: to figure something out, it's really cool and you can
Speaker 4: kind of tell, like when you do it, if the
Speaker 4: spirit you're communicating with is like a bad spirit or
Speaker 4: a good spirit. Like as soon as you get that connection,
Speaker 4: that initial hey, is somebody here and it moves to Yes,
Speaker 4: you just get a vibe in the room.
Speaker 1: But what if it's somebody that's doing an impression of
Speaker 1: a good person?
Speaker 4: See I've kind of thought of that before, but like
Speaker 4: you can just kind of tell, like you just get
Speaker 4: like a vibe, like like an energy vibe, like I
Speaker 4: don't know, like an uneasiness, especially if it's like we've
Speaker 4: gotten times where like, oh, are you a good spirit?
Speaker 4: But we feel uneasy about them, so we say no
Speaker 4: to them. So I feel like spirits can pretend, but
Speaker 4: I can't. I feel like if you like can pick
Speaker 4: up on like the energy of them, like they're not
Speaker 4: going to fool you.
Speaker 1: Okay. So now this is me just truly curious about
Speaker 1: all different kinds of people's beliefs. When you are doing
Speaker 1: something like that, who do you think is answering? Like
Speaker 1: do you think that it's like a spirit that is
Speaker 1: just hovering over the world and can see everything? Or
Speaker 1: who do you think, like what is the reasoning behind that?
Speaker 1: Cause if you're just asking, like, can someone tell me
Speaker 1: is this a yes or no question? Like, so you're
Speaker 1: not directly contacting somebody, So who are you? Who are
Speaker 1: you hoping you're talking to?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like so I get that, Like that's kind of
Speaker 4: a question I'm interested in figuring out myself.
Speaker 3: And about two weeks.
Speaker 4: Ago, me and my roommate were doing it and Luigi
Speaker 4: Boyd was not responding to any of my questions, but
Speaker 4: it was only responding to her questions, and she decided
Speaker 4: to start asking like kind of just these like oddball
Speaker 4: out there questions about like kind of like what this
Speaker 4: thing is that we're talking to, and it responded to
Speaker 4: her it said that it was like an extra extraterrestrial
Speaker 4: or something. No, it was from like another dimension or
Speaker 4: something like that. So it is this weird alien type
Speaker 4: vibe I guess I got from it. Yeah, so I
Speaker 4: don't know if maybe it's like a glimpse, like what
Speaker 4: is it like a glitch in the system or something
Speaker 4: like that with something from a different dimension talking to us.
Speaker 4: But I don't really know how that all works. Like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I've also definitely talked to like specific dead people before,
Speaker 4: so I don't really know. Like maybe it's like you're
Speaker 4: like fishing for ghosts and like the Uigi board is
Speaker 4: the bait and whatever bites the bait.
Speaker 1: Okay, Now, I don't know if you were ever around
Speaker 1: for this, but there was this wonderful thing that eventually
Speaker 1: turned into just a straight up porn thing. But it
Speaker 1: was it was chat Roulette.
Speaker 3: Did you ever oh that rock?
Speaker 4: I'm twenty two years old, Like I was in middle
Speaker 4: school when Chatroulette was a hot thing.
Speaker 1: Okay, now I was a little older than that, but
Speaker 1: when it first came out, I thought it was the
Speaker 1: coolest thing in the world because you could just you
Speaker 1: just sign onto this website and you just like scan
Speaker 1: around like you just get you know, somebody pops up
Speaker 1: from a different country and you can just like talk
Speaker 1: to them and then like sometimes they X out of you,
Speaker 1: you X out of them, you go to the next person.
Speaker 1: Then it just have a bunch of dicks. Literally, that's
Speaker 1: kind of what it feels like, where you're like, all right,
Speaker 1: who's who's here to talk? And it might be like
Speaker 1: a demon, it might be like a person that is dead,
Speaker 1: or it could be I don't know, some other entity
Speaker 1: that sees all. But you never know what you're gonna get.
Speaker 1: But what I get afraid of when you're doing a
Speaker 1: oigi board is that you might end up with a
Speaker 1: creepy pervert or I mean, like the wrong person, the
Speaker 1: one that you're not looking for.
Speaker 3: Didn't you have.
Speaker 4: A wigi board that brought like a demon into your
Speaker 4: house and would tap on the walls and stuff like I.
Speaker 1: Think so, but I never used it. It was that
Speaker 1: was just a demon that came with it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's just like I feel like anything could be haunted
Speaker 4: type thing or they can. They say, quote unquote, it's
Speaker 4: like a haunted board.
Speaker 3: But I don't know.
Speaker 4: At the end of the day, I kind of like
Speaker 4: the idea that if you like go into like a
Speaker 4: wigi board session or like even like a seance or
Speaker 4: anything like that with good intentions and good energy, that
Speaker 4: you'll get good intentions and.
Speaker 3: Good energy out of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I feel like a lot of people going
Speaker 4: really scared and fearful of it. So like maybe that's why,
Speaker 4: like the anxiety kind of like summons like these like
Speaker 4: spooky entities to come and.
Speaker 5: Freak people out.
Speaker 3: But I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm an Aquarius, so nothing really bothers me like that,
Speaker 4: and I just go into the.
Speaker 3: Very open mind.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for talking with me. You're a delight.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, I am here with Heather High Heather.
Speaker 2: Where are you, hi, Rod, I'm in Houston, Texas.
Speaker 1: Okay, I love it. You sent me this. You send
Speaker 1: me this email. You have like so many stories of
Speaker 1: the paranormal variety, and I want to hear all about them.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's it's It truly runs in a family.
Speaker 6: It's funny because when people come into my family, like
Speaker 6: they get married in and things like that, like the like,
Speaker 6: what is going on?
Speaker 1: Ready, there's gonna be some goats.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is getting used to it?
Speaker 1: Okay, So you grew up in a haunted home.
Speaker 6: So when I was growing up, my parents and I
Speaker 6: I'm an only child. So the three of us lived
Speaker 6: in this apartment and next door to our apartment, the
Speaker 6: apartment next door that had like the adjoining wall, a
Speaker 6: man had committed suicide in there, and so some of
Speaker 6: the people that lived in that apartment they would see
Speaker 6: like orbs and all kinds of things in the apartment.
Speaker 6: So when I was like about two, I think I
Speaker 6: was like a little busy kit and my parents said
Speaker 6: that I was standing there and I was like talking
Speaker 6: to something on the wall, and they were trying.
Speaker 2: To figure out what I was doing.
Speaker 6: And I opened up my arms and like started running
Speaker 6: to it like I was going to hug somebody.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, and I was.
Speaker 2: I just think, So it's been like my entire tea
Speaker 2: of the rest of my life.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, so long were you there at that?
Speaker 6: So we were in that apartment complex for nineteen years and.
Speaker 2: Then but we changed from that apartment.
Speaker 6: We moved into a larger apartment right down like the
Speaker 6: hallway when I was about like four, But that other
Speaker 6: apartment was like pretty creepy too, Like and you know,
Speaker 6: like when you're somewhere and you just always feel like
Speaker 6: somebody's watching you, but there's nobody there. And yeah, like
Speaker 6: my border colliague that we had at the time, Tina,
Speaker 6: she would like look up in the corners of the
Speaker 6: walls and start like barking and freaking out and like
Speaker 6: running hide under the bed. And she was really like
Speaker 6: a very tame, little, like really sweet dog. But when
Speaker 6: she would do that, like if we would try to
Speaker 6: pull her out from under the bed, she would try
Speaker 6: to bite us because she was so afraid of whatever
Speaker 6: she was.
Speaker 2: Seeing, but we couldn't see it, you know. Yeah, I
Speaker 2: was like, really creepy.
Speaker 1: Do you think it was that same guy the whole time?
Speaker 6: You know what?
Speaker 2: In a way, I think so.
Speaker 6: But then in a way, I feel like, like myself
Speaker 6: and like some of my mom and like some of
Speaker 6: my other family, I feel like that type of thing
Speaker 6: is like drawn to us, maybe because we do believe
Speaker 6: in it so much that I don't know if it
Speaker 6: was like, but it definitely whatever was at our old place,
Speaker 6: it definitely felt like not of the nice cast for
Speaker 6: the really ghost variety.
Speaker 2: It was definitely mean. It was definitely like sinister for
Speaker 2: some reason.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you guys have premonitions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that far is really creepy.
Speaker 6: I mean that the ghost are not creevy, but like
Speaker 6: a lot like myself, my mom, one of my cousins, like,
Speaker 6: we all get like these really weird premonitions, and it's
Speaker 6: really bad because like most of the time it is
Speaker 6: not of like it's not like us winning the lottery, right,
Speaker 6: it's like bad unfortunately, like the like the first time
Speaker 6: I had it, I kept having a dream that like
Speaker 6: that my teeth were falling out, yes, right, And so
Speaker 6: I started reading and like one of the things that
Speaker 6: I read was that it meant somebody was gonna die.
Speaker 6: And so for like three nights I had that dream
Speaker 6: in a row, and all of a sudden, like my
Speaker 6: uncle had been in the hospital, but he was like
Speaker 6: they said he was getting better and that everything was fun.
Speaker 6: So I kept having that dream and I was like
Speaker 6: really scared, and but I was like, no, it was
Speaker 6: just my.
Speaker 2: Imagination, it's not anything.
Speaker 6: And then the following so I had it for three
Speaker 6: nights and then the following night they called and my
Speaker 6: uncle had taken a turn for the worst and he
Speaker 6: passed away. And so that was like really bad because
Speaker 6: that was like the first like really bad one that
Speaker 6: I had, and so that and then.
Speaker 2: It was crazy because like a couple of.
Speaker 6: Days later, I was standing in the room and I
Speaker 6: felt somebody tap me on his shoulder and I thought
Speaker 6: that it was my husband and I looked and like
Speaker 6: he was nowhere to be found, and so it was
Speaker 6: really weird.
Speaker 2: So that was kind of yeah, it was really weird.
Speaker 6: But I like my uncle is still around us because
Speaker 6: like my cousin still sees him at at his old
Speaker 6: house because my cousin now has he was given the
Speaker 6: house in in my uncle's will, so he has my
Speaker 6: uncle's house and so he still sees my uncle like there,
Speaker 6: and like some of my other family members will see him.
Speaker 6: So it's really like he's really connected to us, but
Speaker 6: he lives in Tennessee. So but like when I go there,
Speaker 6: like I feel like he's still there. And then like
Speaker 6: the last bad, really bad one that I had, I
Speaker 6: had a premonition that well, I had a dream that
Speaker 6: this like this demon looking thing came in the room
Speaker 6: and grabbed my my dog which was like my bab.
Speaker 2: Like his name is Barkley, and he was like my
Speaker 2: like he was like my furry son.
Speaker 7: Like I don't have.
Speaker 2: Children, so he was like my child.
Speaker 6: And I had I had a dream that this creature
Speaker 6: came and took Barkley and ran out the window and
Speaker 6: I was screaming at it. And then like a couple
Speaker 6: of weeks later, like Barkley started getting sick and I
Speaker 6: started having like all these crazy, weird dreams and he
Speaker 6: ended up. He ended up, like it was like a
Speaker 6: whole long ordeal, but he ended up passing away. But
Speaker 6: it was crazy because he had had like all these
Speaker 6: weird like like all this weird stuff was going on
Speaker 6: while he was sick, and.
Speaker 2: So that last night he started like he had a
Speaker 2: brain tumor.
Speaker 6: So it was kind of like about a month of
Speaker 6: like really like hell like on Earth with us with him.
Speaker 2: And it was horrible. But so he had ended up.
Speaker 6: It was so weird because last night we were like,
Speaker 6: it's so weird, like this whole thing is so weird.
Speaker 6: But we were watching Coco together and I was telling him.
Speaker 2: I was like, well, maybe if.
Speaker 6: You have to go, you go ahead without me, but
Speaker 6: you have to visit because I'll be really sad without you.
Speaker 2: And the next morning he passed away.
Speaker 6: But it's so weird because he still comes to the house,
Speaker 6: like we still see.
Speaker 1: Him, like physical him.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so like I'll see shadows, like I'll see like
Speaker 6: little shadows on the fun like running down the hall,
Speaker 6: and like my husband has physically seen him a couple
Speaker 6: of times, like he actually physically seen him. It was
Speaker 6: on March fourteenth. It was actually it was actually like
Speaker 6: a couple of weeks ago we saw him because that
Speaker 6: was his birthday. And it was so weird because like
Speaker 6: I don't know if it's just like the energy, like
Speaker 6: we're talking about him all day, and like we were
Speaker 6: talking about him all day and my husband like physically
Speaker 6: saw him when we were when I fell asleep, he
Speaker 6: saw him like standing at the end of my like
Speaker 6: by my feet.
Speaker 2: On the bed. Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 6: It's crazy like then, like every time that we're thinking
Speaker 6: about him or something's going on, like the lights start
Speaker 6: to go out, like the light bulbs will go out
Speaker 6: in the house.
Speaker 2: Like it's crazy.
Speaker 6: Like it's always like a significant like day like or
Speaker 6: like a significant time.
Speaker 2: So when it was like my birthday week like.
Speaker 6: We had like six of the lights went out all
Speaker 6: like that whole week and like within like two days,
Speaker 6: and then like it's just really weird, like and then
Speaker 6: when he passed away, Yeah, like when he passed away,
Speaker 6: it got to the point my mom was telling me
Speaker 6: that I needed to call an electrician because like so
Speaker 6: many lights were going out and I was like, no,
Speaker 6: it's Barkley because I kept telling him to give me signs.
Speaker 2: But it was like, yeah, it's really weird.
Speaker 6: But then, like like for six months, I was like
Speaker 6: truly depressed because of these dreams and premonitions, right, so
Speaker 6: I was I went to a therapist, Like it got
Speaker 6: so bad. I went to a therapist and she went
Speaker 6: to her priest to find out why I was having premonitions.
Speaker 6: Like it was like a whole thing, right, And so
Speaker 6: it was so weird. So he ended up like we
Speaker 6: were seeing like we had like it was really weird,
Speaker 6: like the just like we were having like all.
Speaker 2: These dreams and things about him after he passed away.
Speaker 6: And so one night I had a dream that he
Speaker 6: came to me and he told me that he was
Speaker 6: going to have to go away for a while, and
Speaker 6: he was going to leave he was gonna he was
Speaker 6: gonna be around, but he was going to be gone
Speaker 6: for a while. And in the dream there was a
Speaker 6: bunch of puppies around him. And the next day, Yeah,
Speaker 6: it's so weird. So right before I d say, right
Speaker 6: before he passed away, he had to stay in the
Speaker 6: vet because he was getting treatment, and he scratched his
Speaker 6: nose and at the end of his nose it was
Speaker 6: shaped like the shape of a heart. And when he
Speaker 6: passed away, he had a big like a big sword
Speaker 6: that was shaped like this, like the shape of a heart. Well,
Speaker 6: so I had a dream that he told me he
Speaker 6: had to leave and that there was gonna be some puppy,
Speaker 6: that there were puppies around. So the next day I
Speaker 6: found this puppy online and I was like, well, if
Speaker 6: it's meant to be, when I go to see this puppy,
Speaker 6: I'm gonna have a sign. Rose.
Speaker 2: We walked in the room and.
Speaker 6: There was a picture of a dog, a painting that
Speaker 6: looked just like Barkley on the thing on the wall
Speaker 6: where we were adopting this puppy. The puppy comes out
Speaker 6: to meet us, and she has a birthmark in the
Speaker 6: shape of a heart on her nose and the place.
Speaker 2: Yes, I will send you, I will, I will send
Speaker 2: you pictures.
Speaker 1: And it's so weird.
Speaker 2: Yes, And the funny thing is Barkley. He was a Chihuaha,
Speaker 2: so he kind of had a little attitude.
Speaker 6: So I called him sickle Pickle all the time, like
Speaker 6: sickle Pickle was his nickname. And the doctor that adopted
Speaker 6: this puppy to us, the bet she has like an
Speaker 6: adoption agency, and she her name was doctor Pickle. Yes,
Speaker 6: it's so weird, and all this came from this dream
Speaker 6: him right, but yeah, so like all of those things, and.
Speaker 2: Then like we have I don't know how the time
Speaker 2: we have, but like wait.
Speaker 1: How does you're a dog now? Like ever interact with
Speaker 1: Barkley when he comes back to visit, you know what?
Speaker 6: Sometimes like she will like just like randomly like bark
Speaker 6: at like nothing, especially at night because at night when
Speaker 6: we are in, when we're in, like when we're in
Speaker 6: our bed, like that.
Speaker 2: Seems to be like where we skill him more.
Speaker 6: And actually I talked to a psychic and the psychic
Speaker 6: because like one day I actually saw the sheets move
Speaker 6: like he was underneath the sheets. Oh, like you know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying, Like that type of movement right, and
Speaker 6: it was like, you know, like the height of a chuahua.
Speaker 2: Like it was really weird.
Speaker 6: And I was like, it's still, like it was really
Speaker 6: freaking After that, I burned stage because it just kind
Speaker 6: of scared me.
Speaker 2: That's like that.
Speaker 6: But so I talked to a psychic and the psychic
Speaker 6: actually told me, like, you him more in the bed,
Speaker 6: like when you're going to sleep, and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 6: we actually kind of do. And so it's funny because Poppy,
Speaker 6: my dog, now she will like bark and stuff at
Speaker 6: things like in the bed and there's like nothing there,
Speaker 6: and so sometimes I feel like she.
Speaker 2: Does know him or like knows that he's around, you know.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of weird. But he definitely still like
Speaker 2: he listened to his mom. I told him to come.
Speaker 6: Back, and he does.
Speaker 1: This is definitely the first chihuahua ghost we have ever had.
Speaker 2: This show was very very special.
Speaker 9: So wait, okay, let's touch on a couple more that
Speaker 9: you told me there was your husband seeing your dead aunt.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so yeah, so my it was this is weird too, well,
Speaker 6: I mean yeah, because so my aunt who is the
Speaker 6: what's the wife of my uncle that I had the
Speaker 6: premonition about passing away my aunt Francis.
Speaker 2: So we had went to Sedona and we had walked around,
Speaker 2: like you know, all the places that they say are
Speaker 2: spiritual and stuff.
Speaker 6: But I really didn't, like, I didn't really feel weird
Speaker 6: or anything there like some people say they do. And
Speaker 6: so we had walked around and everything, and so that
Speaker 6: night when we went to sleep, my husband got up
Speaker 6: and went to the restroom. Stuff came back, and when
Speaker 6: he came back, he saw my aunt and my mom's
Speaker 6: best friend who was like an aunt to me. They
Speaker 6: didn't know each other in life, but that they were
Speaker 6: both like aunt figures. One was my blood an and
Speaker 6: the other was my friend that was like an aunt.
Speaker 6: And they were standing there like over me, and he
Speaker 6: could only see like part of them, like like their
Speaker 6: head and like torso and they.
Speaker 2: But the weird thing was was that next to my
Speaker 2: aunt was a baby.
Speaker 6: And it was so weird because like about two months later,
Speaker 6: my cousin, who that aunt that was, that would have
Speaker 6: been his grandmother. He ended up him and his fiance
Speaker 6: we're having.
Speaker 1: A baby, oh wow.
Speaker 2: And it was so weird because one of my other
Speaker 2: cousins too, she which was his sister.
Speaker 6: She had a dream that my aunt had a baby
Speaker 6: with her. But with my husband, it wasn't a dream.
Speaker 6: It was he was awake and he saw them standing there,
Speaker 6: but they had Yeah.
Speaker 2: She had a baby, and so it was really weird,
Speaker 2: like and there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, when you get these premonitions, does it make you, like,
Speaker 1: especially now that you've had so many that have like
Speaker 1: come true, do you how do you feel when you
Speaker 1: get them? Do you feel like you need to alert
Speaker 1: the person or like, you know, do you do anything
Speaker 1: about it?
Speaker 6: Yeah, So now like I'm like now I'm a little
Speaker 6: bit more into tune with it.
Speaker 2: But like like for.
Speaker 6: Example, like last but sometimes I can't tell the exact person.
Speaker 2: I just know something bad is coming.
Speaker 6: Like last year, I had like a really bad zoning
Speaker 6: for like days, and like just like if I had
Speaker 6: to describe it.
Speaker 2: Like kind of like dread, just like what is around me?
Speaker 2: Like something is around me.
Speaker 6: I don't know what it is, right, And in that case,
Speaker 6: one of my best friends was very, very sick and
Speaker 6: she had to be hospitalized. She's fine now, thank god,
Speaker 6: but like at the time I didn't know like it
Speaker 6: was her. But yeah, so like sometimes a lot of
Speaker 6: times I'll get them, Like when we're driving somewhere, I'll
Speaker 6: get like a thought, Like when one day we were
Speaker 6: driving and like it was early in the morning and
Speaker 6: we were doing a road trip and it was like
Speaker 6: three in the morning, and something told me like, if
Speaker 6: we get in a wrecout here, nobody's gonna find us
Speaker 6: for a long time.
Speaker 2: Because it was kind of like on the back roads.
Speaker 2: And I told my husband. I was like, slow down.
Speaker 2: I don't know why, but just flow down. And so
Speaker 2: he was like, okay, he listens, now, yeah he So.
Speaker 6: He slowed down and we turned a corner and as
Speaker 6: soon as we turned the corner, this huge deer was
Speaker 6: right in.
Speaker 2: The middle of the road and I was like, oh
Speaker 2: my god. Yeah.
Speaker 6: So now when it's that kind of stuff, especially like that,
Speaker 6: because one time I kept having that feeling and I
Speaker 6: didn't listen and we ended up getting into a rick.
Speaker 6: So now I'm like, if you have that feel, anybody,
Speaker 6: stay your butt home. Yeah, you know. So now like
Speaker 6: I listen, and it's like if I can tell that
Speaker 6: it's about somebody, like I will tell.
Speaker 2: Them, but I haven't. Like sometimes I think like.
Speaker 6: I have that ability naturally, but I know, like if
Speaker 6: I tried to do like meditation and stuff like, I
Speaker 6: feel that it would get stronger, but then I'm kind
Speaker 6: of afraid.
Speaker 1: You know, you're your husband's grandmother came to see you guys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so my husband grandmother. We called her Nana, So Nana.
Speaker 6: I actually knew Nana before I knew my husband because
Speaker 6: I worked in a store and she would always come
Speaker 6: in the store to get craft things and stuff like that.
Speaker 6: She was like a real cute little grandma and so
Speaker 6: I knew her from there, and then I met my
Speaker 6: husband and realized that that was his grandmother.
Speaker 2: I had you for a year, known for her like forever.
Speaker 6: So she ended up passing away, and when she passed away,
Speaker 6: she had like Alzheimer's and she had been very sick.
Speaker 6: So it was so weird because the night she passed away,
Speaker 6: I had a dream that we were in the store
Speaker 6: that I met her like that I worked at and
Speaker 6: that I was like, well, Nana, you probably don't remember me,
Speaker 6: but I love you, because she didn't remember anybody, and
Speaker 6: she kind of came and kissed my forehead and was like, no,
Speaker 6: I'll always remember you. So that same night, my my
Speaker 6: husband Saul saw her. Actually he's standing over the bed
Speaker 6: like he saw like when he saw my aunt and
Speaker 6: my other my other friend of the family. So he
Speaker 6: saw her like that again, like that type of vision
Speaker 6: where it was like her like down to like her
Speaker 6: torso area and her face and it was like she
Speaker 6: was coming to tell him by well.
Speaker 2: So it was so weird because she.
Speaker 6: Loved that Pleasures perfume, right that say alter one, so
Speaker 6: like that was like her favorite perfume, and we'd buy
Speaker 6: it for her for Mother's Day and and Christmas and
Speaker 6: every occasion, like that's all that's what she always wanted.
Speaker 6: So like we would wake up for like a couple
Speaker 6: of days after she died, we would wake up and
Speaker 6: smell that perfume like somebody had just swilled a whole bottle.
Speaker 2: In the in the bedroom. Like it was so weird.
Speaker 6: And we always like when that would happen, we'd be like,
Speaker 6: oh my God, like Nan is here with us right,
Speaker 6: Like it was so strange.
Speaker 1: Wait, did your husband was he the kind of person
Speaker 1: that had these experiences before he met you? Because it
Speaker 1: sounds like you said a lot since met you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know what, like when we first get together
Speaker 6: and I would talk about it and like I first,
Speaker 6: like started telling him about prominitions. I don't I mean
Speaker 6: not any thought that I was like crazy, but I
Speaker 6: think he was kind of like, well, that's weird, you know.
Speaker 6: But then as we've been together, it's almost like I've
Speaker 6: rubbed off on him, and like he gets that side
Speaker 6: because I pray, like I always always pray that I
Speaker 6: don't see things because like it freaks me out enough
Speaker 6: with premonitions and like the feelings and stuff, so I'm
Speaker 6: always like, please.
Speaker 1: Guy, don't give me the visions.
Speaker 2: Because I will like have a stroke or something like
Speaker 2: I'm terrified.
Speaker 6: So I feel that since we've been together, like he
Speaker 6: kind of gets that side, and like we validated off
Speaker 6: of each other because like when especially like when Barkley died,
Speaker 6: like he I would see like laying on me, and
Speaker 6: like he would feel like he had thought Barkley that night.
Speaker 2: Too, and then he'd be like I felt he was
Speaker 2: here last night.
Speaker 6: I was like, oh my god, so did I, you know,
Speaker 6: and like all these feelings like we comvalidate each other's
Speaker 6: and but I feel that he's gotten it more like
Speaker 6: he's kind of because we've been together for like twenty
Speaker 6: three years, so I think I've rubbed off. Yeah, so
Speaker 6: like I'm rubbed off on him.
Speaker 1: Okay, tell me one last story. Yeah, what is the
Speaker 1: story of the haunted hotel with your family?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, okay.
Speaker 6: So so we were going to I don't know if
Speaker 6: you've ever been to San Antonio, but it's like.
Speaker 2: Super haunted, right yeah. Okay, so like the Alamo and
Speaker 2: all of that.
Speaker 6: Right, So there's a lot of hotels in that area
Speaker 6: that are known for that, and people go because they
Speaker 6: know that it's haunted. Right.
Speaker 2: So I don't like, like I think you've said this
Speaker 2: on the show, like you don't like to sleep where
Speaker 2: you think it's haunted.
Speaker 1: Hell no, I waking me up.
Speaker 6: No, okay, me and you ros were the same because
Speaker 6: I'm like, I want to go during the day. I
Speaker 6: want to look at it, I want to learn about it,
Speaker 6: I want to experience it, and then I want to
Speaker 6: go to my nice little room that's peaceful and nobody's.
Speaker 2: Going to be around me, right exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: So at this particular time, we went in this hotel
Speaker 6: that we stayed at. We've stayed out like probably five
Speaker 6: times before that we had stayed and never had any
Speaker 6: weird experiences.
Speaker 2: It's nearer the Alamo and near that area, but not.
Speaker 6: As close to some of these other ones that have
Speaker 6: this on it history around them, right, So I'd never
Speaker 6: heard a story about it, never experienced it.
Speaker 2: So this particular time we.
Speaker 6: Go and when we're walking down, we get our room
Speaker 6: key and we're walking down to our room and come
Speaker 6: to find out this is in a separate section than
Speaker 6: we had ever stayed before. Normally we stayed in this
Speaker 6: other area. This time the area we were staying in.
Speaker 6: When we turned and walked the other that way toward
Speaker 6: the new room, I was like, Okay, something's weird here,
Speaker 6: Like you know, like you feel cold all of a sudden,
Speaker 6: and it was like summer in Houston, I mean, toyo whatever,
Speaker 6: So it wasn't It was not cold in there. So
Speaker 6: and then like the hair, you know, like your hair
Speaker 6: is like, oh my god, what's going on. So we
Speaker 6: go into the room and it just did it still right,
Speaker 6: But I was like, Okay, I'm just imagining things.
Speaker 2: It's fine. So we put our bags down and then we.
Speaker 6: We left to go eat and we come back, and
Speaker 6: when we came back, it still felt like something was
Speaker 6: there and something wasn't right.
Speaker 2: So as every time, like we would come and go
Speaker 2: throughout the day, throughout.
Speaker 6: The afternoon and night, and it just like it felt
Speaker 6: like somebody was watching us in there, Like it felt
Speaker 6: like something was there.
Speaker 2: So that night when we went to.
Speaker 6: Bed, I laid down and like I woke up and
Speaker 6: it was like around midnight or so. I woke up
Speaker 6: and I was like something like something is there, And
Speaker 6: you know you have that feeling where you're like, I'm
Speaker 6: not gonna look, because if I looked, there's something.
Speaker 2: There, right, No, no, no, no, no, I was waiting.
Speaker 6: No, I was awake, and like I grabbed the No,
Speaker 6: I've never had that thing, cud and you scare me.
Speaker 2: When I listened to you, I'm like, I'm not listening
Speaker 2: to me. I know I'm not having no.
Speaker 6: So I was like I reached over and I grabbed
Speaker 6: the blanket and I put it over my head because
Speaker 6: I was like, I'm not looking.
Speaker 2: I'm not looking. Just go to bed, just lay back down.
Speaker 2: It's fine.
Speaker 6: So the next morning I wake up and my mom
Speaker 6: is standing over my like over my face.
Speaker 2: She's like, wake up, I have to tell you something.
Speaker 6: I'm like, I already know what it's about. I've got
Speaker 6: to take a shower. If you tell me, I'm not
Speaker 6: going to go in that bathroom myself, So just wait.
Speaker 6: So I made her wait until.
Speaker 2: I got ready, and I came back out and I
Speaker 2: was like, okay, what happened?
Speaker 6: And so she told me, Like, so there was a
Speaker 6: movie on at that time, so we were kind of
Speaker 6: able to piece together who woke up first based.
Speaker 2: On a movie.
Speaker 6: So because the TV was on or whatever, So I
Speaker 6: woke up first, and I thought like something was there.
Speaker 2: So then my mom woke up.
Speaker 6: And she woke up and she felt like something was
Speaker 6: hitting the end of the bed, like ramming into the bed,
Speaker 6: and like it was like the bed was like the
Speaker 6: only wall that the beds were on.
Speaker 2: Oh, because me and.
Speaker 8: My mom and dad and my husband were all sharing
Speaker 8: a room, so we were all sharing the room and
Speaker 8: so there were two double beds and the headboards of
Speaker 8: the bed were the only thing touching the walls, right,
Speaker 8: So like it couldn't have been like a water false
Speaker 8: or you know, like a water pipe or something, because
Speaker 8: the wall wasn't touching that side of the bed.
Speaker 6: So something was ramming into the bed. So she wakes
Speaker 6: up and she feels like something is like over her,
Speaker 6: like just like coming at her. So she gets she's
Speaker 6: trying to remember because like because of as you can tell,
Speaker 6: we've had experiences. So we always travel like with the Bible,
Speaker 6: Like we always have a Bible with us everywhere we go.
Speaker 6: So which and I'm not like a very I'm not
Speaker 6: like a religious person, but I consider myself like spiritual.
Speaker 2: More than like religious or whatever.
Speaker 6: So always always her Bible. So she was she wanted
Speaker 6: to get her Bible out, but it was at the
Speaker 6: end of the bed. It was like over towards the
Speaker 6: foot of the bed, like on the wall, and she
Speaker 6: couldn't like across like the hallway from where this thing was,
Speaker 6: so she would have to pass this thing and go
Speaker 6: across the hall to get to her suitcase. Oh so
Speaker 6: she was like no, yeah, so she remembered, you know
Speaker 6: how they put like the bibles in some of the
Speaker 6: nightstands at the hotels or whatever. So she opened the
Speaker 6: drawer and there was a Bible in there. So my grandma,
Speaker 6: like when my mom was growing up her this is
Speaker 6: like a long story, but her father, my mom's father,
Speaker 6: had committed suicide in their house and my grandfather's so
Speaker 6: when my mom was like twelve, so they would always
Speaker 6: see things in the house. So some of the some
Speaker 6: of the church people in town had told my grandma
Speaker 6: like certain verses to read to like get rid of
Speaker 6: like spirits and things like that, and it's like some
Speaker 6: things and psalms. So my mom started reading it, and
Speaker 6: as she was reading it, this thing was still like
Speaker 6: someone like it was coming after her. But she kept
Speaker 6: going and going, and it finally like started to get
Speaker 6: less and less, and so she just kept reading it
Speaker 6: until it went away. And it was weird because you
Speaker 6: know how you hear like people say like if if
Speaker 6: the spirit's like coming after you, like the people around
Speaker 6: won't wake.
Speaker 2: Up, you know what I mean.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So, like she was trying to like get my
Speaker 6: dad to wake him up because he was right there
Speaker 6: and he would not wake up. And he's a light sleeper,
Speaker 6: so it was really weird because my dad will wake
Speaker 6: up with any little noise. But so so anyway, so
Speaker 6: she ended up like it went away and she was
Speaker 6: able to sleep. So a little while after that, my
Speaker 6: husband woke up. So my husband woke up and he
Speaker 6: heard like it sounded like something like papers wrestling like
Speaker 6: at the door, and.
Speaker 2: He was like, what is that? But It was like like.
Speaker 6: Around three in the morning when he woke up and
Speaker 6: he was like, what is that. So he kept hearing
Speaker 6: it and it sounded like somebody like coming at the door.
Speaker 6: But so at first he thought it was like, you know,
Speaker 6: like some of the hotels would put like your your
Speaker 6: your receipt or your your reservation or your information underneath
Speaker 6: the door.
Speaker 2: They slided under the door, but with your bill or whatever.
Speaker 6: But it wasn't like it was way early for that.
Speaker 6: So he goes over to the door and he looks
Speaker 6: and there's nothing there. So he opens up the door
Speaker 6: and he's hearing something at the door. He opens the
Speaker 6: door and there's nothing there, Like the whole hall is clear.
Speaker 6: So yeah, it was really weird. So that morning we
Speaker 6: called well like after we checked out, because we didn't
Speaker 6: want to ask them in person because we didn't want
Speaker 6: to look really weird. So as soon as we checked out,
Speaker 6: we called back and my mom talked to the front
Speaker 6: desk and she was like, ma'am, I was just wondering
Speaker 6: if you guys have had ever had any paranormal activity
Speaker 6: reported in your hotel.
Speaker 2: And the lady says, why, certainly, ma'am. All the time
Speaker 2: actually I know right.
Speaker 6: She's like, we have a procedure where if you call
Speaker 6: and complain about if anybody complains about ghosts, we go
Speaker 6: and we sprinkle holy water and we we put oil
Speaker 6: and we burned some candles in there, and she was like,
Speaker 6: you know which room are you in, and.
Speaker 2: We'll go take care of it. And I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: if you have a ghost procedure like that needs to.
Speaker 6: Be on the front page of your website exactly like.
Speaker 2: We take we allow dogs. And by the way, we
Speaker 2: have a procedure.
Speaker 1: Your dad just slept right through it like a baby.
Speaker 1: Everyone else only one yes.
Speaker 6: But you know the crazy thing, I mean, all of
Speaker 6: it's crazy. But the weird thing is I wrote about it.
Speaker 6: I had written about it online because I had a
Speaker 6: blog that I was writing, and I've had like three
Speaker 6: other people reach out to me and tell me they
Speaker 6: had like similar versions of that story in the same
Speaker 6: section of that hotel. Weird It's called La Mansion del Rio.
Speaker 2: And the weird thing is, Okay, when we stayed there,
Speaker 2: it was like this has been years back. When we
Speaker 2: were there, it was actually like a boutique hotel that
Speaker 2: was like privately owned or whatever. Well then the Omni
Speaker 2: bought it, so when we stayed there, they were very
Speaker 2: like upfront like, oh yeah, we have this, this is
Speaker 2: the thing, we have it. Oh yeah.
Speaker 6: And then but now the people that have taught that
Speaker 6: have written to me, they've actually reached out to me
Speaker 6: because ever since for some reason, since Omni bought it,
Speaker 6: like they're like, oh no, there's nothing we don't know
Speaker 6: about that. But it's crazy because the people that have
Speaker 6: reached out to me actually reached out to me because
Speaker 6: they felt like they were going crazy and.
Speaker 2: They started searching the internet.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and when they started searching, they found me because
Speaker 6: I had written about it, and so I was like, oh, no,
Speaker 6: you're not crazy.
Speaker 2: They're just not telling you the truth right now. Right,
Speaker 2: it's really weird. I know.
Speaker 6: There's a ghost in my house.
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Speaker 1: and Heather for sharing those stories today. I love it.
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