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Speaker 2: Good morning, good morning, good morning, good morning, good morning,

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Speaker 2: good morning, good morning. E everybody happy, happy. Fox Sports

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Speaker 2: Saturday Fellas Chase Fitz Anthony Gargano from the Fox Sports

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Speaker 2: Radio Studies in Los Angeles, getting ready for Game seven

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Speaker 2: tomorrow night. What a series? What are great playoffs? And

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Speaker 2: what a finals? It's been Indiana And I heard people

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Speaker 2: talking about this the other day about will O Casey,

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Speaker 2: let me go or choke to whatever you want to

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Speaker 2: call it, Indiana jump. Then the Pacers jumped them. They

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Speaker 2: were fantastic. They took that game. They exposed their weakness

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Speaker 2: with a game which is half court, which is secondary

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Speaker 2: scoring besides SGA. When they're taking SGA on the game,

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Speaker 2: they're begging everybody else to beat you. Jalen Williams beat

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Speaker 2: him a Game five when he went off, but nobody

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Speaker 2: can really step up outside of that SGA to score

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Speaker 2: regularly in the half court. Good morning, Fitsie.

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Speaker 3: So I need your brilliance. I need the absolute the brain.

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Speaker 3: I know we'll talk to him later this morning, but

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Speaker 3: I need the brain of Anthony Gargotta this morning because

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Speaker 3: everything you just said makes total sense. So why is

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Speaker 3: it every time I think, Okay, this series has figured

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Speaker 3: itself out. And by the way, every time that's happened,

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Speaker 3: it's really been for Indiana, not for Oka See. As

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Speaker 3: much as the world keeps telling me okay See is

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Speaker 3: his huge favorite, every time they get the opportunity, I

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Speaker 3: feel like every time I've looked at it and been like, yep,

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Speaker 3: all right, they gotta figure it out. This is easy.

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Speaker 3: Then all of a sudden they don't win the next game.

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Speaker 3: Like I can't wrap my head around what you just

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Speaker 3: said is absolutely one thousand percent right. Why isn't that simple?

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Speaker 3: Isn't it that simple? Because I don't feel right now

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Speaker 3: like I can just here, sit here and put my

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Speaker 3: feet up and say, Indiana's gonna win Game seven. But

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Speaker 3: if we only base this series on what we've seen

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Speaker 3: in this series alone, Indiana should win game seven.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah. And here's maybe part of it. Well,

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Speaker 2: there's two. There's two things to play. When we have

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Speaker 2: a perceived favorite, a perceived really really good team, you

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Speaker 2: can't fathom how the underdog is in the game because

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Speaker 2: in your mind you're like, oh, man, I watch Oka

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Speaker 2: Se roll over the regular season, I watch okac look

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Speaker 2: at periods of show, periods of dominance, So that's cos

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Speaker 2: to be what it is. But they have one huge

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Speaker 2: flaw that we gloss over and we act like we

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Speaker 2: don't see, and it's scoring and a half court it's

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Speaker 2: a half court offense their lack of because they look

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Speaker 2: and walking into threes and you know, SGA's got space

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Speaker 2: to work and it looks pretty. So that's where our

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Speaker 2: mind is seeing, and you're glossing over all the all

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Speaker 2: the warts, and there's a lot of warts. O case.

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Speaker 2: He's a good team. They're not some epic team. They're not.

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Speaker 2: They can't execute the half court and they lack secondary scoring.

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Speaker 2: But in our mind, it's tricking us to say, well,

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Speaker 2: I mean, okay, see that dev team which is not

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Speaker 2: that good. Tuck them to the brink. That should have

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Speaker 2: been the light that went off, that should have told us.

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Speaker 3: You're so right. And I just you know me and

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Speaker 3: the fact that it is like I've for years, I've

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Speaker 3: made the same joke. Ah, they don't build these huge

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Speaker 3: casinos out in Vegas by being wrong. Vegas has been

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Speaker 3: so wrong on this series and we have not we

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Speaker 3: you and I, but we as a collective, you know,

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Speaker 3: watching the NBA have just bent over backwards to try

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Speaker 3: and make Vegas right on this series. I do think

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Speaker 3: I don't remember the last time I had to hear

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Speaker 4: Oh.

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Speaker 3: From day one, it's like, well, even if the Indiana

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Speaker 3: wins a game, but Vegas will still tell you that,

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Speaker 3: Okayc's gonna win this series. Every single time that we

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Speaker 3: bring that up, I just have rolled my eyes for

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Speaker 3: two weeks because at some point we have to step

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Speaker 3: up at to your point, I think, you know, the

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Speaker 3: confirmation bias that came into this series because Vegas said

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Speaker 3: that OKAYC was gonna just wipe the floor with them.

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Speaker 3: Every time there's just a glimmer of hope, we're like, well, no,

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Speaker 3: that that's the see now, this is the thunder that

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Speaker 3: what Vegas has to say. Like, I think it's pretty

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Speaker 3: obvious throughout the course of seven games the Vegas doesn't

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Speaker 3: this series at all, and that's rare. But let's just

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Speaker 3: like just start throwing our hands up and say, hey,

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Speaker 3: Vegas got this one wrong. Man, because I do believe

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Speaker 3: that to your point, the first point that you just made,

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Speaker 3: the concept that Vegas believes this is such a wildly

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Speaker 2: But even when Vegas is wrong, it's right because the

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Speaker 2: public is batting. OKAYC. I assume you know, I'm I

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Speaker 2: also think that Vegas is all about public perception, right,

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Speaker 2: Like Vegas to make a to make money, generate revenue,

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Speaker 2: and to win it. They go and they read the public.

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Speaker 2: They go, all right, well, you know what's the public

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Speaker 2: willing to lay with OKAC? Clearly public opinion is on OKAC.

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Speaker 2: So is it? You know? Six points on the road,

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Speaker 2: seven points in the road, five points at home, four

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Speaker 2: points at home. I think that's part of what you're

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Speaker 2: seeing too. I just think everybody's chasing Oka C. And

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Speaker 2: I look, I mean, I can't sit there and go.

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Speaker 2: I thought the game would be close. I didn't think

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Speaker 2: Indiana would win in the blowout in game six, and

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Speaker 2: plus I swore Haliburton's calf was a lot worse and

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Speaker 2: couldn't move in the in game five and I'm going, oh, man,

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Speaker 2: I don't know how that's gonna work, right, How does

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Speaker 2: he come back? In fact, I thought that Rick Carlisle

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Speaker 2: made a big mistake by leaving him in the game five,

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Speaker 2: and I would have got him right out of Game

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Speaker 2: five and went to rest it away with TJ and

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Speaker 2: just wrote a hot hand and gave Haliburton a chance

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Speaker 2: that game. And you know, I'm sure enough. He came

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Speaker 2: ton of minutes, but he played well the time he played,

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Speaker 2: and that to me was another big deal. But this

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Speaker 2: series is at seven games for one reason. It's defending

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Speaker 2: okay scene a half court.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that there is a level of intensity to

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Speaker 3: what Indiana is doing on the defensive side of the

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Speaker 3: a fearlessness to the way that they push with the basketball.

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Speaker 3: That it's just it is. So it has been evident

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Speaker 3: throughout the course of this playoffs that when Indiana has

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Speaker 3: a hard time beating them if they have any offensive

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Speaker 3: tough ironically because coming into this this series, but what

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Speaker 3: Indiana is deep, too, but Oklahoma City's just better and deep.

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Speaker 3: And throughout the course of this series, the truth has

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Speaker 3: been now Indiana is much more balanced, much deeper, much

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Speaker 3: more capable of running the ball all the way over

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Speaker 3: up the court, and when they unless they're shooting like idiots.

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Speaker 3: Like the times that they lose the game has been

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Speaker 3: one of two things for Indiana. They're losing either because

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Speaker 3: they're turning the ball over recklessly or because it's just

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Speaker 3: one of those nights where they can't hit anything. When

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Speaker 3: those are not their problems, man, theys, the balanced scoring

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Speaker 3: that they are capable of getting from all over the

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Speaker 3: And to your point, the turnaround in Halliburton from Game

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Speaker 3: five to Game six was truly phenomenal, but also just

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Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like every single game they are

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Speaker 3: going to get double digits from six guys and that's

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Speaker 3: just that's tough to beat in the modern NBA.

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Speaker 2: Totally, you're Steers spot on, spot on, FITZI. And the

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Speaker 2: other issue too, is we completely overrated the OKC bench.

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Speaker 2: Facts we just did. The Indiana's bench is not just better,

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Speaker 2: but it's way better. Like Obi Toppin has been a guarantee.

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Speaker 2: And this is where Vegas is wrong because Brain, I

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Speaker 2: thought the brain during the week on my other show,

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Speaker 2: and he brings up these player props and like t

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Speaker 2: J McConnell and Obi Toppin's player props were like six points,

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Speaker 2: eight points. Obi Toppen was like ten, nine, eleven, like

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Speaker 2: and the entire series day have gone over those points

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Speaker 2: because they've been delivered for them. And I go back

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Speaker 2: to the secondary scoring. And this is where Rick Carlisle

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Speaker 2: I think is a really really good coach. All right.

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Speaker 2: I know I made the remark about you know, taking

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Speaker 2: great coach. I remember when he was Larry Bird's assistant

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Speaker 2: and the Indiana went to the finals, and like he's

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Speaker 2: always really good defensive coach. He's figured out a way

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Speaker 2: who steps up? I mean Jana william stepped up one

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Speaker 2: time and went nuts right like. I mean, he's had

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Speaker 2: a decent series. He's got great looks one all one.

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Speaker 2: I mean they're double and triple in SGA and it

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Speaker 2: wears Chet Holmgren. He had one game this series. The

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Speaker 2: other night he was miserable. He had opportunity after opportunity.

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Speaker 2: If they have all those picks and and all that all,

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Speaker 2: you know, you have a coffer filled with assets. They

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Speaker 2: need to turn it into some scoring. They need another score.

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Speaker 3: I mean, I pulled the box up from the last

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Speaker 3: But I pulled the box pro upe two and nine

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Speaker 3: from three point line, four points total, like in a

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Speaker 3: game where you can win the NBA Championship. That's just

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Speaker 3: that's tough, man. That is a tough tough yeah, one

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Speaker 3: hundred percent. And you know you just start looking at

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Speaker 3: not just the scoring on the other side, but the efficiency.

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Speaker 3: I think I use the word efficiency too much. Don't

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Speaker 3: because you're gonna have a rough morning. But my god,

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Speaker 3: when you talk about the efficiency of Indiana in that

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Speaker 3: last game, when you've got not just scoring from everybody,

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Speaker 3: but everybody's shooting around fifty percent while they're doing it,

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Speaker 3: that's just golly that that's where Indiana again, when they're

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Speaker 3: moving the ball around and they're hitting those open looks. Now,

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Speaker 3: as somebody smarter than me, he's got to explain why I,

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Speaker 3: okay See is so bad on the road at times

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Speaker 3: I really do, but in the it's always confused me

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Speaker 3: in the NBA, like every court's the same, Yeah, every

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Speaker 3: isn't Major League Baseball. I understand why home field advantage

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Speaker 3: is such a big deal there. It's always blown my mind.

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Speaker 3: But the fact is, okay See is a different beast

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Speaker 3: at home than they are on the road. I get

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Speaker 3: all of those things. But now let's factor that cliche

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Speaker 3: which they have been throughout the course of this Like

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Speaker 3: they've they've won in every environment, in every situation, and

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Speaker 2: we'll get through. Uh. We've got a lot of NFL

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Speaker 2: Welcome back, Fellas, Jason Fitz, Anthony Gargano hanging out with

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Speaker 2: you guys, getting back to it. It's funny when you

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Speaker 3: And that's one of the interesting things about the amount

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Speaker 3: think that's just fair to say the bubble was a

429
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Speaker 3: weird year, not taking away the Lakers championship. It's just

430
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Speaker 3: a weird year. If you take that weird year sort

431
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Speaker 3: of out of this conversation for a second, then look

432
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Speaker 3: at our NBA champions a year by year. When's the

433
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Speaker 3: last time a kd like acquisition resulted in a championship? Like,

434
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Speaker 3: we spent more time talking about Kawhi going to the

435
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Speaker 3: Clippers than we did Kawhi winning a championship with the Raptors.

436
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Speaker 3: And if you just go back over the course of

437
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Speaker 3: the last several years, whether it's this series, or whether

438
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Speaker 3: it's the Celtics or the Nuggets or you know, the

439
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Speaker 3: version of the Warriors that did win, or the Bucks

440
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Speaker 3: you know, or Toronto before them, Like, keep going through this.

441
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Speaker 3: I mean, over the course of the last several years,

442
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Speaker 3: it's pretty clear that the way to win a championship

443
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 3: is to draft, to find yourself a superstar in the draft,

444
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Speaker 3: find some pieces you can put around them, and build

445
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 3: a deep basketball team like that. I don't think that's

446
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Speaker 3: a hot take, and nobody seems to be obsessed with

447
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Speaker 3: following that path. I mean kudos to whoever gets KD,

448
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:20,679
Speaker 3: but there is no current in my mind proof of

449
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Speaker 3: concept that that's actually the way you win an NBA championship.

450
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Speaker 3: It's the way you make yourself more relevant going into

451
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Speaker 3: the season. And it doesn't make sense that it wouldn't

452
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Speaker 3: make you a championship. But my god, we just are

453
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Speaker 3: a champion. But we just did this a few years

454
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Speaker 3: ago with KD, you know, and every time it's wow,

455
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Speaker 3: how many rings is he gonna have to win with

456
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,199
Speaker 3: the Suns that the answer was none, And so what

457
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Speaker 3: are we doing? Like in my mind in the copycat league,

458
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Speaker 3: I just the way to build it is not to

459
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Speaker 3: go out and acquire KD. No, Well, dude, I don't

460
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Speaker 3: even understand it.

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Speaker 2: There was there was talk before it gets KD put

462
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Speaker 2: out the team's his his preferred destinations. There was talk

463
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Speaker 2: about the six Ers rating the number three pick and

464
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Speaker 2: trying to come away with k D, and you know,

465
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 2: the Sixers ownership was looking to do that. I'm like,

466
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:13,360
Speaker 2: you guys just don't get it. You guys just don't understand.

467
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,159
Speaker 2: Like Daryl Morey again chasing like how many times do

468
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 2: we need to see the Brooklyn nets right? Like we

469
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 2: saw that we saw when it was like, oh my god,

470
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Speaker 2: it's Kyrie and Hardy and KD together and so much

471
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Speaker 2: so that they go, you know, we're gonna get a

472
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Speaker 2: coach that's a collaborator, and a collaborator not a coach.

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't work for him, He's gonna work

474
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Speaker 2: for us. You remember Kyrie saying that stuff, you know,

475
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Speaker 2: like they didn't want to coach, like they they felt

476
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Speaker 2: like they were gonna win. And it just goes to

477
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 2: show you again, players play and coaches coach, right, and

478
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Speaker 2: the way the whole thing is done is not with ego.

479
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 2: You're not winning with ego. And all those stars together

480
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 2: is too much ego in this ego just filled overflowing league.

481
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Speaker 2: You gotta have selfless players to win.

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Speaker 3: I also think that, So I'm gonna tie this all

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Speaker 3: into you just mentioned the number three overall pick. The

484
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Speaker 3: beauty of the NFL draft is that college football creates

485
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Speaker 3: household names and stars, and we're so invested by the

486
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Speaker 3: time we get to the NFL draft in you know,

487
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Speaker 3: the guards that we know people that are being drafted

488
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Speaker 3: in the third round as a general population. In the

489
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Speaker 3: NBA draft, once you get through like two names half

490
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 3: the people are looking around and have no idea who's

491
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Speaker 3: going to be any good?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: And I will remind everybody that the two biggest stars

494
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Speaker 3: in this series Terry Salliburton. He was the twelfth overall

495
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Speaker 3: pick to Sacramento and then traded right and then SGA

496
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Speaker 3: was the eleventh overall pick to the Hornets. Ironic. I mean,

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Speaker 3: it's amazing that the Hornets can say that they traded

498
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Speaker 3: Kobe and SGA, but SGA was traded by Charlotte, right.

499
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Speaker 3: So like the concept here, and I'm hearing it a

500
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Speaker 3: lot with this year's draft because everybody knows like three

501
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Speaker 3: names and then we start to get into no idea

502
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Speaker 3: who that person is, no idea who that person is.

503
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Speaker 2: We need to.

504
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Speaker 3: Start accepting that the part of this process is finding

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Speaker 3: your whatever timing and the rough year guy that or

506
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Speaker 3: your draft pick that you believe smart basketball minds are

507
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Speaker 3: going to build around and then build around it. And

508
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Speaker 3: that doesn't feel as sexy because we walk into these

509
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 3: drafts only knowing Cooper Flag and everybody else is like, well,

510
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 3: we'll see. I have no idea. But this final series

511
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,840
Speaker 3: is a pretty I think relevant reminder to everybody that

512
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Speaker 3: eleventh pick twelfth pick in the draft. Those can turn

513
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Speaker 3: into future NBA Finals teams. You just got to be

514
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:54,760
Speaker 3: patient and build the right things around them. You gotta

515
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Speaker 3: have a really good basketball mind making the picks for you.

516
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Speaker 3: You got to get a lot of things right a

517
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Speaker 3: lot of times to build these teams the right way.

518
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Speaker 3: And that doesn't feel as sexy or an immediate as

519
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Speaker 3: just going out and acquiring a KD. But my god,

520
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 3: this this final series we're watching right now. But it's

521
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Speaker 3: the same thing. Like nobody was doing naked cartwheels in

522
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Speaker 3: the street in Milwaukee when they drafted Giannis Onto Tumpo.

523
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Speaker 3: That wasn't a thing. Like when Jokic was drafted, people

524
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Speaker 3: weren't turning around and saying, we're gonna kick your ass

525
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Speaker 3: because we got Yokish, right, Like, It's just the NBA

526
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 3: doesn't work that way. So everybody's got to slow and

527
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Speaker 3: lower it a little bit and just live through the

528
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Speaker 3: process of figuring out, do you have a guy, and

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Speaker 3: then developing that guy and being smart enough to not

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Speaker 3: be Sacramento and trade that guy right, Like, I mean,

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Speaker 3: the number of these guys that were on a team

532
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Speaker 3: and then go somewhere else and then they're built around

533
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Speaker 3: with an organization that has no choice but to be

534
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Speaker 3: patient because they suck. And now all of a sudden

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Speaker 3: you find them in the NBA finals.

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Speaker 2: Dude, spot on on. And here's the other thing. We

537
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:03,200
Speaker 2: had no patience. There are no patience for growth, for development.

538
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Speaker 2: You know, one of the things in football with the

539
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 2: best teams is that the best teams develop players. You

540
00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 2: develop online, you take guys late, and you know there

541
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Speaker 2: are projects, but you go, all right, I can develop.

542
00:31:20,120 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 2: I have great coaches that can develop players. NBA, you know,

543
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Speaker 2: player development is a real thing. Guys get better, and

544
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Speaker 2: we have no patience. Teams are teams have no They

545
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:39,080
Speaker 2: are run so badly. Many of these teams are just

546
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Speaker 2: run poorly because they have no patients. They have a

547
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Speaker 2: lot of bad money, bad contracts, and they don't develop players.

548
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Speaker 2: Like when you're getting kids that are coming out and

549
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Speaker 2: you know, young kids that are not four year players

550
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Speaker 2: five year players, right, you know. The one of the

551
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,520
Speaker 2: things in the NFL now they're older, right, So that

552
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 2: makes it easier of coaches because guys been around, they're

553
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Speaker 2: older the whole thing. But the NBA is a younger league.

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Speaker 2: You've got to have time for development, and you've got

555
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Speaker 2: to have coaches who can develop players.

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Speaker 3: I feel like this we echo this in all sports.

557
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Speaker 3: We live in a nozipic society. I say this all

558
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Speaker 3: the time. We all want results right now, We all

559
00:32:24,200 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 3: want everything in our lives to change right now. Most

560
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 3: of the time, we don't want to put in the

561
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Speaker 3: work that it requires. We don't want to be patient enough.

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Speaker 3: And I say that because we live sort of in

563
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Speaker 3: this society at this point where it may have taken

564
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Speaker 3: it ten years to put on the weight, but you

565
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Speaker 3: want to take it off in three months and then

566
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Speaker 3: you feel better about everything. It's just none of it

567
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:46,240
Speaker 3: is that simple. And you're right, the backbone of every

568
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 3: single sport at some level is still drafting. Like you

569
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Speaker 3: have to have a minor league system at least in

570
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Speaker 3: theory and to put yourself in a competitive situation. Go

571
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Speaker 3: back to the beginning of the Chiefs dynasty and something

572
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Speaker 3: that Field Gates pointed out on Twitter at that point

573
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Speaker 3: a couple of years ago is that the Chiefs hadn't

574
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Speaker 3: missed literally on a top three draft pick in like

575
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Speaker 3: five years at that point. And that's the way you

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Speaker 3: We talk all the time about who you pai and

577
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Speaker 3: who you don't pay. But the way you consistently win

578
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Speaker 3: in the NFL is you consistently nail it in the draft,

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Speaker 3: and once you do that, all of a sudden, wow,

580
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Speaker 3: your franchise looks wildly different. Like, you know, the conversation

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Speaker 3: of would you would there ever be a trade like

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Speaker 3: we saw in the NBA in the NFL where a

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Speaker 3: player goes for four first round picks. I don't think

584
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Speaker 3: there ever would be in modern NFL, but you know

585
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Speaker 3: who there should be that sort of trade for Howie Roseman,

586
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Speaker 3: Like somebody should go to the Eagles and say, I'll

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Speaker 3: give you five years of first round picks and I'm

588
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Speaker 3: going to pay him a hundred million dollars because there's

589
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 3: nothing that stops you from doing it, and you need

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Speaker 3: somebody in your front office that can actually consistently build

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Speaker 3: a champion. Like that's just that it's invaluable to be

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Speaker 3: the draft. Well and every.

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Speaker 2: Singport and how He's done a great job. But there's

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Speaker 2: two factors that get overlooked. And if one of it

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Speaker 2: is we just talked about, and I want to I

596
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 2: really need to bring this up because it's germane to

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Speaker 2: the conversation. Uh, well, take quick t o come right

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Speaker 2: back and continue. Fellas hanging on.

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Speaker 3: The precipice of Game seven tomorrow night.

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Speaker 2: Jason Fitz, Anthony Garganda right here, Fox Sports.

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Speaker 1: Radio, listening to Fox Sports.

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Speaker 2: Radio Radio, Fellas, Jason Fitz, Anthony Gargano hanging out with you. Uh.

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Speaker 2: One of the things you brought out fits which is

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Speaker 2: interesting about talking about Howie Roseman and you're right, I mean, he's,

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Speaker 2: you know, a really great gemman. Will you be the

606
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Speaker 2: first to tell you that when you have I don't know,

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Speaker 2: say Jeff Statlin, right, who's one of the best O

608
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Speaker 2: line coaches that you have and understand about developing play

609
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Speaker 2: like Jordan may Alatta became one of the best left

610
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Speaker 2: tackles in football because of Staltlin. Staltlin turns, turns.

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Speaker 6: Uh uh with his face left late with the guard

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Speaker 6: from the Jets, Mkai Beckton, Thank you, I'm gonna say,

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Speaker 6: Anthony beck.

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Speaker 2: He turns uh. McKay Beckton, who was a failure right

615
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Speaker 2: as a tackle with the Jets, turns him into a

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Speaker 2: player at guard and he winds up getting paid going

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Speaker 2: to the Chargers, Like you know, when you could develop

618
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Speaker 2: young players like they lost Jason Kelcey and it didn't matter.

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Speaker 2: Let me think about that for a second.

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Speaker 3: I mean right that you're one thousand percent right. If

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Speaker 3: I I in the NFL, particularly, and I will credit

622
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 3: my buddy Frank Schwab over Yahoo was the first person

623
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Speaker 3: that ever said this to me, and I never thought

624
00:36:09,160 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 3: of it, and I think it's right. In the NFL particularly,

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00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 3: there is no salary cap for coaches, and there's no

626
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Speaker 3: salary cap for front office. I don't care how much

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Speaker 3: it costs. Like if I ran an NFL, if I

628
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,960
Speaker 3: was Mark Davis today, instead of worrying about bringing him,

629
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Speaker 3: you know, Tom Brady and then bringing over Pete Carroll,

630
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Speaker 3: I would look around and I say, okay, it is

631
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Speaker 3: clear who the best person in the NFL has been

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Speaker 3: for the last several years drafting. I will offer him

633
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Speaker 3: whatever it takes, go full eighties, pro wrestling, million dollar man.

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Speaker 3: Everybody's got a price, So I want to know your price.

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Speaker 3: Whatever I give you twenty million dollars a year, I

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Speaker 3: don't care. And then the first thing I ask him

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Speaker 3: is who are the best coaches that you need?

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Speaker 2: All right?

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00:36:48,360 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 3: Cool? Then give me everyone, Like to your point, if

640
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Speaker 3: I know that there's an offensive line coach. That is

641
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Speaker 3: a distinct advantage, and there's no salary cap that prevents

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Speaker 3: me from paying what it like if I'm Jerry Jones,

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Speaker 3: My god, I got more money than I can ever

644
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 3: figure out. I could scrooge mcduckett and sleep and beds

645
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 3: filled with one hundred dollars bills for the rest of

646
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 3: my life. Go spend all of that money to bring

647
00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:13,360
Speaker 3: in whoever it takes to build that team. That's the

648
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 3: only to your point, it's a great part of why

649
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 3: Philly is absolutely dominant, and we agree and talk about

650
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 3: it all the time, and the show you win in

651
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,840
Speaker 3: the trenches. Go pay whatever it takes to get the

652
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:27,480
Speaker 3: best offensive line coach, the best defensive line coach. Like

653
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:32,640
Speaker 3: money is no object at that point, Go outbid everybody

654
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 3: else and create Who cares if it screws the coaching

655
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 3: salary system for everybody else, Go do whatever it takes,

656
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 3: trade all the pics you need to, spend all the

657
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:43,400
Speaker 3: money you need to. That's the real way that you

658
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 3: build a team moving forward.

659
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 2: So case and point, the Eagles win with defense last year.

660
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:53,360
Speaker 2: I mean obviously that good offensive Barklaton whole thing in

661
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 2: their all line, but their defense was the difference two

662
00:37:57,520 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 2: years ago. Their defense was a mess. A mess. They

663
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 2: bring in Vic Fangio, right, Fangio in the first four

664
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:11,919
Speaker 2: games that they were leaking, right first, the game one

665
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,760
Speaker 2: against the Packers in Brazil, they gave up twenty nine points.

666
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 2: They were a team that didn't know how to tackle.

667
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 2: I mean, look basic stuff. Fanju comes in and that

668
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:27,359
Speaker 2: they took it, just took form. Now you got two

669
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 2: great young rookies at quinnya Mitchell Cooper Dejen But again

670
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 2: that's also Vic Fangio saying I liked this Jack Bawn.

671
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:41,480
Speaker 2: I'm going to put him in the middle, and he

672
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:46,680
Speaker 2: turns out to be one of the best linebackers in

673
00:38:46,719 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 2: the NFL. But that's because of Fangio. He sees this stuff.

674
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 2: He puts these players in that spot. He knows how

675
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 2: to develop players, knows how to coach players. You know,

676
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 2: been around a game one thousand years and that's the wisdom,

677
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,799
Speaker 2: and it's development. That's the point.

678
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, how often do we talk about stable

679
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 3: organizations and I don't care what's what we're talking about.

680
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:15,879
Speaker 3: Your front office has a true understanding of exactly why

681
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,200
Speaker 3: they're acquiring who they're acquiring, and the coaching staff has

682
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 3: a true understanding of exactly what they're getting in hand.

683
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 3: And you know, it's to use a restaurant analogy. It's

684
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 3: no different than you got to have make sure the

685
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,879
Speaker 3: chef has to know who's buying the food and why

686
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 3: they're buying the food. And if the chef's making a menu,

687
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,040
Speaker 3: it's got to be with the right ingredients. And that's

688
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 3: that's a tougher synergy to get than it seems to

689
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 3: make sense to most of us.

690
00:39:42,320 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're yeah, you're spot on. I know we're doing

691
00:39:46,200 --> 00:39:49,880
Speaker 2: giving you football analogies, and you know it's not always

692
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:54,080
Speaker 2: apples to apples, but you know, the idea of the

693
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 2: star man, I mean, Kevin Durant, Who's Kevin Durant? Want

694
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 2: to win? You God blessed whole famer. Fellas on Fox.

695
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 1: Don't listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

696
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:15,760
Speaker 2: In the morning. Morningbody well, Happy Abby, Abby, Fox Sports

697
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:23,440
Speaker 2: Saturday winding down June. I believe I lost tracking the

698
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 2: countil I think seventy six days until the start of

699
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:29,320
Speaker 2: the NFL season.

700
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Speaker 3: Jon, That's what I saw on social media. I think

701
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,560
Speaker 3: I saw that on social media. Yeah, yeah, it feels

702
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:36,280
Speaker 3: like a lifetime.

703
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I haven't really, I don't know.

704
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 3: I'm ready. I'm just I'm I don't know. It feels

705
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,000
Speaker 3: like the weather's been weird this summer. All it does

706
00:40:46,080 --> 00:40:49,719
Speaker 3: is rain in Connecticut. Had the had the this this

707
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 3: fun little tidbit. Today will be the first Saturday that

708
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 3: doesn't have rain in Connecticut since February fifteenth, So oh

709
00:40:57,239 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 3: my god, yeah, so this whole years just like, yeah,

710
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 3: I just I'm ready for summer to be over. Just

711
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 3: take me straight to fall.

712
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,759
Speaker 2: Well you having are you getting a heat wave? Yeah?

713
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:10,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we're getting a hundred degrees this weekend too,

714
00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 3: so yeah, it's finally. But I'll take that over. I

715
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 3: had to turn the heat on in my car going

716
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:16,759
Speaker 3: to the gym the other day, so I'll take I'll

717
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 3: take the heat wave over that.

718
00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 4: Well.

719
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 2: It's bizarre, right because you're right, last weekend it was

720
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 2: like sixty five degrees and now it's going to be

721
00:41:24,560 --> 00:41:28,200
Speaker 2: one hundred, you know, like it's nuts. We had like

722
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:31,520
Speaker 2: these crazy storms. I mean, yeah, it's been a weird spring,

723
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 2: you know, like what's wrong with seventy eight eighty? Like, Sony,

724
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:40,359
Speaker 2: I'm all in for that.

725
00:41:40,440 --> 00:41:41,920
Speaker 3: If you if you could go ahead and you know,

726
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 3: talk to the man upstairs and make that happen. I

727
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 3: would be forever grateful, Thank you.

728
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, I mean come on, yeah, today's going to

729
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:55,359
Speaker 2: be a nice, beautiful hot day for baseball. Nothing like it.

730
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:03,200
Speaker 2: Muffel white baseball games in the ninety degree heat. Oh

731
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 2: my god. UH lots to get to, but let's get

732
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,279
Speaker 2: let's get back to uh in the attic because I

733
00:42:10,520 --> 00:42:14,839
Speaker 2: love covering this thing from many different you know kind

734
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:19,720
Speaker 2: of advantage points and the pacers and what we learned.

735
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:23,719
Speaker 2: We were talking toward the end of last segment about

736
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 2: the Star thing and how the star thing has been

737
00:42:28,520 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 2: a failure. Like when the players got control of the

738
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 2: league and there was a you know, this cadre of players.

739
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 2: It was Lebron and k D and Steph and Kyrie

740
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 2: and Harden. Right, you had these these guys who were

741
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 2: who were the elite of the elites and in charge

742
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:56,560
Speaker 2: of the league. And every time there was three together,

743
00:42:56,600 --> 00:43:04,520
Speaker 2: they didn't win. Is that about ego? Like I know,

744
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 2: people go, well, you know they could play together, But

745
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 2: you know, TJ. McConnell and Obi Toppin have had such

746
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 2: a major force on this year. I've been such a

747
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 2: major force in this series, Like TJ McConnell, it's ridiculous.

748
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:27,080
Speaker 2: He's the MVP. I don't care what anybody says this

749
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:32,080
Speaker 2: whole series. You don't win without TJ McConnell. That's TJ McConnell.

750
00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:37,440
Speaker 2: He was in Philadelphia during the process cast aside as

751
00:43:37,520 --> 00:43:43,759
Speaker 2: just this you know nothing player, it's you.

752
00:43:43,719 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 3: Know it's it's back to the the concept of the

753
00:43:47,600 --> 00:43:49,879
Speaker 3: right way to build a team. It feels like both

754
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 3: of these teams, you know, they're a combination of Transformers

755
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:57,320
Speaker 3: in Voltron, right, Like so Voltron for anyone that remembers

756
00:43:57,360 --> 00:43:59,719
Speaker 3: their eighties cartoons or a bunch of robots that came

757
00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 3: together they made one big robot. But Transformers, which were

758
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,000
Speaker 3: far more popular, had optimist prime. Both of these teams

759
00:44:06,160 --> 00:44:09,520
Speaker 3: have essentially who their optimist prime is meant to be

760
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,000
Speaker 3: by construction. But they're really more Vultron than anything and

761
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,959
Speaker 3: that works. And I think part of it is having

762
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:18,759
Speaker 3: the right person in charge that knows how to make

763
00:44:18,800 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 3: sure like Rick Carlisle has done such a good job

764
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:24,680
Speaker 3: and is a Hall of Fame caliber coach for a reason, right,

765
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 3: so it gets a lot of street cred from all

766
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,520
Speaker 3: of us. I think both coaches throughout the course of

767
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 3: the season. Not necessarily. There's been times in this series

768
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 3: that there have been questions, but both coaches about the

769
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,279
Speaker 3: course of the season have shown an ability to make

770
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,040
Speaker 3: the most of the combination they have. I also think

771
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 3: that it takes the right group of people together in

772
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 3: any of these situations. You know, if you're putting together

773
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:49,919
Speaker 3: a band, super bands rarely work right, Like, you don't

774
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,080
Speaker 3: need the best guitar player, the best drummer, and the

775
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,560
Speaker 3: best bass player of all time. Unique guys that are

776
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,200
Speaker 3: capable of playing with each other and have an understanding

777
00:44:57,200 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 3: of how to make that work. I think if you're

778
00:44:59,640 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 3: putting a radio show together, you know you need two guys,

779
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:06,520
Speaker 3: three guys with people, guys and girls that have an

780
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 3: understanding of how to work together, and that creates a

781
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 3: better chemistry and that creates a better show. I just

782
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 3: I think this is a common thread in most things,

783
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 3: that it's about building the right team. But in sports,

784
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 3: the weird part about it is we get our hope

785
00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:25,680
Speaker 3: from things that we know, and this happens again. You

786
00:45:25,680 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 3: can go back to the NFL when we get the

787
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:32,040
Speaker 3: free agency, most fans want their teams to sign every

788
00:45:32,080 --> 00:45:34,479
Speaker 3: person they've ever heard of on red zone that they've

789
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,640
Speaker 3: seen score a touchdown or get an interception. They don't

790
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 3: necessarily want to take this approach of yeah, our team

791
00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 3: did nothing. How often do you hear that my team

792
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 3: did nothing? Because at some point you spend so much

793
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 3: time waiting for the moment that the only thing that

794
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 3: gets you through that is hope, And hope comes far

795
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 3: more easily from name recognition and from having an understanding

796
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 3: of who you're acquiring. If you're a team right now

797
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 3: that's trying to figure out how to get if you're

798
00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 3: a fan of a team that's trying to figure out

799
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 3: how to get to the next step, if you're a

800
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 3: Sixers fan right now, even though you shouldn't be this way,

801
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:13,120
Speaker 3: what's easier to sell, Hey, we're going to keep the

802
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 3: third overall pick and we're going to put the right

803
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 3: pieces in place, and you may never even heard of

804
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 3: these players, but we're going to build something here that

805
00:46:20,120 --> 00:46:22,880
Speaker 3: will work together, I promise, Or we're going to go

806
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,320
Speaker 3: out and get KD. That's just such an easier sell

807
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 3: to a fan base and to people that are sitting

808
00:46:30,600 --> 00:46:32,719
Speaker 3: back here looking for a reason to be excited. And

809
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,719
Speaker 3: the way we talk about sports the way we cover it,

810
00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 3: and we want reasons to be excited. And that's far

811
00:46:39,640 --> 00:46:42,239
Speaker 3: easier to sell with either the first overall pick in

812
00:46:42,280 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 3: the draft or name everybody's heard of than it is

813
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:49,080
Speaker 3: to sell with pieces and and it's just that's just fact.

814
00:46:49,080 --> 00:46:51,840
Speaker 3: If you are a Pacers, if you're just a random

815
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 3: NBA fan that's sitting around, and it's like, okay, well,

816
00:46:55,239 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 3: we're either going to spend our time talking about TJ

817
00:46:57,760 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 3: McConnell or we're going to spend our time talking about KD.

818
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:04,360
Speaker 3: Most people just don't know anything about TJ McConnell, so

819
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,239
Speaker 3: it's easier to fall in love with the concept of

820
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 3: what KD will do.

821
00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:13,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, now you're right, you know you're spot on, but

822
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 2: that's not how you win. And ultimately, to talk about

823
00:47:21,600 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 2: those players get you so far, Like, ultimately there's got

824
00:47:26,080 --> 00:47:30,520
Speaker 2: to be some sort of substance. That's kind of where

825
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 2: I like this finals because I think it's the finals

826
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:40,719
Speaker 2: of substance. It's not empty stars. And you know, me, me, me,

827
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:47,720
Speaker 2: me me, I can be honest with you, I'm into

828
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:54,800
Speaker 2: this new NBA, starless NBA. Yeah, where you got great players,

829
00:47:54,840 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 2: but you know, this whole Kyrie, I walk home order

830
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,680
Speaker 2: and look at me, look at me. Like again, Kyrie

831
00:48:04,000 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 2: was a great player. But when his idea that he

832
00:48:09,880 --> 00:48:11,440
Speaker 2: was going to have a coach who was not going

833
00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 2: to be in charge, he was explicit in saying that

834
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,440
Speaker 2: he was not this coach is not going to be

835
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 2: in charge, that he was going to be a collaboration

836
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 2: with him and Harden and KD. And it's so disrespectful

837
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:38,239
Speaker 2: to the to the to the sports in general, Like,

838
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 2: you need a coach. I don't care how veteran you are.

839
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:48,360
Speaker 2: You have to have a coach because the ego is involved.

840
00:48:48,480 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 2: Ego is the danger. And when you got three gigantic egos,

841
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,560
Speaker 2: you see it when you would go, well, can you

842
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 2: win because of the cap, No, you can't win because

843
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 2: you got three mega egos that will never take from self.

844
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 3: Is part of the magic of what Steve Kerr did

845
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 3: and has done for so many years. And Phil Jackson

846
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 3: also just the ability to manage egos, Like I think

847
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,919
Speaker 3: getting everybody to buy into doing things a certain way

848
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 3: is you know, and great coaches say all the time.

849
00:49:30,800 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 3: It's a cliche, but I think a lot of people

850
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 3: that have had tremendous success say all the time, fall

851
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 3: in love with the process because the outcome is something

852
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 3: that you don't necessarily control, but the process is something

853
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 3: you can control every single day, right, And so I

854
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 3: would say the same thing to fans, fall in love

855
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:48,880
Speaker 3: with the process. And that's not a great answer because

856
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,200
Speaker 3: especially when your team sucks, you feel like you're always

857
00:49:51,200 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 3: starting the rebuild over and over and over and over.

858
00:49:53,600 --> 00:49:55,719
Speaker 3: But the fact is, you got to do that till

859
00:49:55,760 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 3: you get it right. And that's the process you have

860
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,200
Speaker 3: to fall in love with, because, as cliche is, it

861
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 3: sounds the only thing you can truly affect you. You

862
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,560
Speaker 3: can't guarantee a win, but you can guarantee the little

863
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 3: things within the process every single day. And we spent

864
00:50:10,440 --> 00:50:13,680
Speaker 3: some time earlier this year talking about how hard it

865
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 3: is at times to watch regular season basketball. But think

866
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:18,600
Speaker 3: about the things that we talked about that are tough

867
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,319
Speaker 3: to watch with you know, lack of effort and with

868
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:25,960
Speaker 3: just iso ball everywhere and people standing around and it

869
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,400
Speaker 3: just it doesn't feel like things matter. And then you

870
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:30,520
Speaker 3: think about what we've seen in this series and it's

871
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:34,320
Speaker 3: the opposite of that, Like the ball movement has been beautiful,

872
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 3: and watching just the defensive effort has been really incredible

873
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 3: to see, and just the flow of the game has

874
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:43,600
Speaker 3: been awesome, and the coaching has done a really good

875
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:46,480
Speaker 3: job of managing all of this, and the role players

876
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 3: have said like, this is everything modern NBA basketball wants

877
00:50:50,560 --> 00:50:53,799
Speaker 3: to be, and it's a great example. And that is

878
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:56,200
Speaker 3: the celebrated portion of it. But I do think it's

879
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 3: a reminder to the teams and the players and the

880
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 3: coaches and the front offices, but also importantly to the

881
00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 3: fans that it is a true process to build a

882
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:11,040
Speaker 3: championship caliber team like Okay, see had to you know,

883
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,399
Speaker 3: try and rebuild, throw it away, try and rebuild, throw

884
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:15,799
Speaker 3: it away, start building draft picks, throw it away. They've

885
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,239
Speaker 3: they've had to do so much to get back to

886
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:21,600
Speaker 3: the finals from when they were here before that, it's

887
00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 3: like it's a total different everything for every single fan.

888
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 3: It doesn't even feel like it's the same franchise, but

889
00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,760
Speaker 3: it is because at some point that is the process.

890
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 3: You just keep throwing it out until you get it

891
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 3: right and there I don't think there's any cheat to that.

892
00:51:35,320 --> 00:51:38,479
Speaker 3: That's the only way you can actually build a championship team.

893
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 2: Now you're spot on, spot on, I mean, that's what

894
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:48,319
Speaker 2: it is, it's the only way.

895
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:50,840
Speaker 3: How do you how do you sell that? Right? Like

896
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:53,960
Speaker 3: that's all like it takes so much trust from everybody

897
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,399
Speaker 3: or so much Like I was hanging out a couple

898
00:51:57,440 --> 00:51:59,800
Speaker 3: of days ago with a guy that's an Oklahoma City thunderfan,

899
00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,600
Speaker 3: and he just has been his whole life, and he

900
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,520
Speaker 3: was just sort of laughing about the fact that, like, hey,

901
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,759
Speaker 3: what other choice. We sucked for a long time, but

902
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:09,239
Speaker 3: what other choice do you have? You just kind of

903
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:11,319
Speaker 3: have to go through it, and like, I think the

904
00:52:11,360 --> 00:52:13,760
Speaker 3: only fan bases that are able Like this is why

905
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:15,799
Speaker 3: it's weird to be a Lakers fan, because if you

906
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:17,799
Speaker 3: ever go to a Lakers fan and say, hey, you

907
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 3: know what the process is going to be with our

908
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:22,000
Speaker 3: ten billion dollar team. We're just gonna rip this thing

909
00:52:22,040 --> 00:52:23,719
Speaker 3: apart of the studs and we're going to start a

910
00:52:23,760 --> 00:52:26,640
Speaker 3: whole rebuild process that may or may not work, and

911
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:28,560
Speaker 3: we may have to restart it three or four times

912
00:52:28,560 --> 00:52:30,959
Speaker 3: and it could take fifteen years, but man, we're gonna

913
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 3: come out of it on the other side with the

914
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 3: team that can be really good for six or seven

915
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 3: or eight years in a row. And that's a tough

916
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 3: sell when you have options when you don't have options,

917
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,160
Speaker 3: You're like, well, what choice do I have? I just

918
00:52:42,200 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 3: have to suffer through this over and over and over again.

919
00:52:45,040 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 3: But now you look at that, that suffering is certainly

920
00:52:47,480 --> 00:52:50,160
Speaker 3: like Sunday night. That suffering was worth it. If you're

921
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:53,239
Speaker 3: a thunderfan of you're a Basers fan, like, it's been

922
00:52:53,280 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 3: worth a long wait because you're looking at it and say, man,

923
00:52:56,000 --> 00:52:58,759
Speaker 3: we're really good, and we're also really young, and there's

924
00:52:58,760 --> 00:53:00,640
Speaker 3: a lot of hope here, not just for right now,

925
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 3: but for the next several years, and it feels like

926
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 3: we're finally relevant, like all of these magical things. But

927
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:09,439
Speaker 3: they didn't happen overnight from signing D. They happened doing

928
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 3: it the long, hard, brutal way that a generation has

929
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,320
Speaker 3: to suffer through to get to Yeah.

930
00:53:15,680 --> 00:53:19,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it could be again. It could be done.

931
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 2: You just gotta have the metal and the fortitude for it.

932
00:53:23,680 --> 00:53:25,759
Speaker 2: And you know, I hate to say it, and it

933
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:29,839
Speaker 2: sounds cliche and stupid all but it's true. Man. These

934
00:53:29,840 --> 00:53:34,479
Speaker 2: short cuts don't work. They just don't work. That's why

935
00:53:34,600 --> 00:53:38,760
Speaker 2: I lost I lost my mind when I heard Maury

936
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:42,839
Speaker 2: talking about you know, KD. I'm like, are you out

937
00:53:42,840 --> 00:53:48,920
Speaker 2: of crazy, you already went down this road, Like I

938
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 2: don't mean to put it through a philophic perspective only

939
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,400
Speaker 2: because I use that and use that as an example

940
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 2: because I'm here and I just see the mistake as

941
00:53:56,760 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 2: from the stake, and I'm like, are you kidding me?

942
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:05,160
Speaker 2: You got an ag You can't win. You have Joel

943
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:10,280
Speaker 2: Embiid and Paul George guys who break down right listen.

944
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 2: I love him beand I know I'm in a minority,

945
00:54:12,640 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 2: but the guy, the guy was an amazing town. The

946
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 2: guy can't move like, he doesn't have the same his

947
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:23,480
Speaker 2: knee doesn't have cartilage right like, and he's struggling dealing

948
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,560
Speaker 2: with pay management and all that stuff. How's he going

949
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,759
Speaker 2: to go through two and a half months of a

950
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:33,040
Speaker 2: playoff rigger? He hasn't been able to do it yet,

951
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:38,680
Speaker 2: and now once he's in his thirties and the injury

952
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:40,399
Speaker 2: is there, he's going to do it now?

953
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:41,719
Speaker 3: Like you're delusional.

954
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,759
Speaker 2: And Darryl Moury makes a lot of money, like a

955
00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 2: ridiculous sum of money, Like I think, can't these guys

956
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 2: in this in this league, Like they're almost like col

957
00:54:53,800 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 2: Charlatan's Like I viewed him as these as these carpetbaggers

958
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 2: that I'm into town promising championships and they're just got

959
00:55:05,200 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 2: no substance and they're not smart, Like oh, Darryl Morey

960
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:14,919
Speaker 2: acts like well, like he's because he goes to tech

961
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 2: summits and talking about well, AI be my sister GM.

962
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 2: I have CROC to be my sister GM. CROC can't

963
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 2: evaluate players right like you. At some point, I'm sure

964
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 2: it will be there, but you're still gonna watch them

965
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 2: and you're gonna strapolate that hard data is only one

966
00:55:39,239 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 2: tiny piece of the puzzle.

967
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 3: Isn't it also part of the complication too that so

968
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 3: many of these guys, like if everything I just said

969
00:55:49,960 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 3: earlier about a long term vision is true, if you're

970
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 3: a GM of a franchise, how do you sell that

971
00:55:56,400 --> 00:55:58,240
Speaker 3: not just to the fans, but also to an owner

972
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 3: in a true palpable way where you're not going especially

973
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:02,839
Speaker 3: in the modern NBA, Like you can be the coach

974
00:56:02,920 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 3: of the Year one year and fired the next. You

975
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:07,239
Speaker 3: can win a championship one year coach Bud and then

976
00:56:07,239 --> 00:56:08,600
Speaker 3: you're fired the next you know what I mean? Like

977
00:56:08,680 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 3: you just it happens over and over and over again.

978
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:13,799
Speaker 3: So what you have is this. Hey, the only way

979
00:56:13,880 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 3: to do this is the right way, which is the

980
00:56:15,680 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 3: long play. And I would say, right now, with no

981
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 3: invested interest or any feeling one way or the other

982
00:56:22,239 --> 00:56:24,640
Speaker 3: other than I love for you for the seventy six ers,

983
00:56:24,960 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 3: I would say that at some point you're just gonna

984
00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:29,120
Speaker 3: have to accept it. The entire not you, but the

985
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 3: seventy six ers fans are gonna have to accept it.

986
00:56:31,680 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 3: The whole thing's gonna have to be ripped down or

987
00:56:33,160 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 3: you're just gonna have to start over. And you tried everything,

988
00:56:36,320 --> 00:56:38,040
Speaker 3: You tried to do it the right way, you tried

989
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 3: to build it didn't work. Start and start the process

990
00:56:41,080 --> 00:56:44,279
Speaker 3: over again. Just try again. It's a tough message to sell,

991
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 3: but it's even tougher when you realize that the GM

992
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,960
Speaker 3: and the coach, well, I mean, can they afford to

993
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:53,400
Speaker 3: go through what could be five, six, seven years of

994
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:55,840
Speaker 3: trying to get it right, to build it the right side.

995
00:56:56,280 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 3: They're not gonna be around.

996
00:56:57,360 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 2: No, not gonna be around. And that's like with the

997
00:56:59,760 --> 00:57:07,040
Speaker 2: jobs right in football like this when he's owners The

998
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 2: problem is ownership because ownership empowers these people. And you

999
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:16,640
Speaker 2: gotta be like all in with a guy like you

1000
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 2: can't have all the guy's job over his head. Like

1001
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 2: you're walking into the season with the Giants and you

1002
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,560
Speaker 2: got a coach and I like Dabo. I mean, I

1003
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:31,840
Speaker 2: just never think he's had a guy. His first GM

1004
00:57:32,040 --> 00:57:36,440
Speaker 2: was horrendous, This GM. I mean he showed you like

1005
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 2: he lets Barkley go to the Eagles. I mean, are

1006
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:45,880
Speaker 2: you kidding me? And so they intrust this group, these

1007
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 2: two guys with Jackson Dart and that pick, Well, what's

1008
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:54,080
Speaker 2: gonna happen if if you know, are they gonna do

1009
00:57:54,120 --> 00:57:59,280
Speaker 2: what's best for Jackson Dart and the future of the franchise?

1010
00:58:00,600 --> 00:58:02,919
Speaker 2: You know, I mean, it's a question you have to ask.

1011
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 3: It was unprecedented when San Francisco gave John Lynch and

1012
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 3: Shanahan long deals. Right at the time, everybody was saying, well,

1013
00:58:10,720 --> 00:58:13,560
Speaker 3: Shanahan's never done this or John Lynch has never done

1014
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:16,320
Speaker 3: this at all, and you just gave them fully guaranteed.

1015
00:58:16,360 --> 00:58:18,280
Speaker 3: I think it was six years at the time, and

1016
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:20,440
Speaker 3: that was so long for a coach and GM on

1017
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:22,960
Speaker 3: their first shot together. But I think the statement it

1018
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:25,960
Speaker 3: made from San Francisco from ownership was hey, we're a

1019
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 3: revolving door and we want to stop it. And we

1020
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:29,959
Speaker 3: understand this is going to take time. So by giving

1021
00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:33,080
Speaker 3: it six years, we are day one committing to a

1022
00:58:33,200 --> 00:58:37,320
Speaker 3: long term. Like I genuinely think coaches and gms would

1023
00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:39,800
Speaker 3: need to convince ownership, hey I need six years, I

1024
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 3: need seven years, and ownership would have to turn around

1025
00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 3: and say, yeah, I'm just gonna put blindfolds on and

1026
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:46,640
Speaker 3: I'm not even gonna worry about it. I will give

1027
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:48,440
Speaker 3: you that amount of time. And the problem is if

1028
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 3: you get the higher wrong and you give them that

1029
00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 3: amount of time, now you're screwed for a generation. But

1030
00:58:53,520 --> 00:58:55,760
Speaker 3: at some point, I don't know that you can truly

1031
00:58:55,840 --> 00:58:58,840
Speaker 3: turn around a franchise to turn them into an OKAC

1032
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 3: or in Indiana unless you are doing that sort of

1033
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 3: thing you're giving. You're giving so much runway that you're saying, hey,

1034
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 3: it's like my it's like the stock market. I'm gonna

1035
00:59:08,120 --> 00:59:09,760
Speaker 3: put it in here and I'm gonna walk away from it,

1036
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 3: and I will come back and look at it when

1037
00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:13,960
Speaker 3: I'm ready to retire. Like It's just I don't know

1038
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 3: that you can do it any other way, and I

1039
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 3: don't think most owners are patient enough to deal with that.

1040
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:22,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think you're right. On Man right on

1041
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:26,840
Speaker 2: and that, and you know that's where these rich head

1042
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 2: funds people, they're gonna understand that if you want to

1043
00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 2: win in sports, it's like, this is what it is.

1044
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:35,000
Speaker 2: It's not always just about you know, you got to

1045
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:38,760
Speaker 2: invest time and you got to invest you know, you know,

1046
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 2: I didn't even understand it because the TV money is

1047
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 2: enough to keep you afloat, right, like the TV revenue

1048
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 2: should be enough to get get you through hard times

1049
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:53,240
Speaker 2: at the gate in your local media market. You know,

1050
00:59:53,840 --> 00:59:56,360
Speaker 2: we're gonna take quick t o. Uh. We got a

1051
00:59:56,440 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 2: request to for a topic that I want to frow

1052
01:00:00,320 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 2: a So we'll take a minute and talk about what's

1053
01:00:04,800 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 2: happening the NIL deals, all right, So we'll dive into

1054
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 2: that a little bit. Fellas hanging right here on Fox

1055
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:29,080
Speaker 2: Sports Radio, Ah Fellas, Jason Fitz, Anthony Gargana. So my man, Chucky,

1056
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:31,920
Speaker 2: south side.

1057
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:35,200
Speaker 3: Chuck, Southside, Chuck. I don't know why I had to

1058
01:00:35,280 --> 01:00:36,320
Speaker 3: do that, but go ahead.

1059
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 2: So Chucky says, he goes, let'sten, because I have I

1060
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 2: have a request. We always like, oh what it's evolve it.

1061
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,480
Speaker 2: In fact, one of the things I wish we did

1062
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 2: more of was evolved. I like once in a while

1063
01:00:54,080 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 2: we'll do calls. I love it because like you really

1064
01:00:56,920 --> 01:01:00,280
Speaker 2: kind of kind of really get to know people little

1065
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:02,040
Speaker 2: bit and you get to get to talk to him.

1066
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:06,959
Speaker 2: We love that sort of thing. Uh So, so Chuck says,

1067
01:01:07,040 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 2: this this incredible wild wild West of college ATIL signings

1068
01:01:16,480 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 2: and the twenty and at point five million dollar athlete

1069
01:01:19,640 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 2: budgets kicking in and seeing all these high school kids

1070
01:01:22,840 --> 01:01:28,160
Speaker 2: signing multi multimillion dollar deals before it starts, like Missouri

1071
01:01:28,200 --> 01:01:31,600
Speaker 2: has already spent eleven million dollars on kids, not for

1072
01:01:31,720 --> 01:01:35,280
Speaker 2: the up and coming season, but the following season to

1073
01:01:35,440 --> 01:01:42,040
Speaker 2: avoid the cap. Like it's it's insane. Now, I will

1074
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:45,560
Speaker 2: say that good news for Notre Dame fans, because there's

1075
01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:49,680
Speaker 2: a kid in my neck of the woods, Uh, Joey

1076
01:01:49,760 --> 01:01:55,840
Speaker 2: O'Brien who plays at the Saint Joe's perhaps a really

1077
01:01:55,880 --> 01:02:01,320
Speaker 2: good school, Joey O'Brien, it's the prep. But anyway, he's

1078
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:07,960
Speaker 2: just six' five receiver and defensive back stud and he

1079
01:02:08,160 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 2: chose The. Irish, now how Does joey O'Brien not go

1080
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 2: To Notre?

1081
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:16,400
Speaker 3: DAME i mean that you?

1082
01:02:16,600 --> 01:02:17,040
Speaker 4: Do like?

1083
01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:20,760
Speaker 3: That that's you tell me how's? He how's? He how's

1084
01:02:20,800 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 3: he not go?

1085
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:21,440
Speaker 4: There?

1086
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 2: Right he had offers from, everybody like all the big,

1087
01:02:23,960 --> 01:02:28,040
Speaker 2: players and uh so it's. FUNNY a friend of mine

1088
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 2: told me that his best position is defensive. Back i'm, like,

1089
01:02:35,760 --> 01:02:38,000
Speaker 2: wow six five, corner.

1090
01:02:40,200 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 3: THAT'S i, mean are we gonna see More Travis? Hunters

1091
01:02:43,400 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 3: do you think as they, like you've got kids coming

1092
01:02:46,960 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 3: up that are they don't want to pigeonhole themselves and

1093
01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 3: if you can do, that my, god just six.' five i,

1094
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:56,280
Speaker 3: was like that's. THAT'S tall, i mean that's. Just big

1095
01:02:56,560 --> 01:02:57,440
Speaker 3: that is huge.

1096
01:02:57,560 --> 01:02:59,480
Speaker 2: For, THAT yeah i. DON'T know, i mean you have

1097
01:02:59,800 --> 01:03:03,080
Speaker 2: the he have. THE length, i mean he's got. The

1098
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:06,120
Speaker 2: length does he have? THE hips i. Don't know, but

1099
01:03:06,560 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 2: anyway the kids would be, really good. Really good and

1100
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:13,960
Speaker 2: to Get to, chuck's point what do you think about?

1101
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 2: These programs and, you know spend now again it's the

1102
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 2: twenty point five MILLION dollar kap is just the base

1103
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:30,920
Speaker 2: that you. Could spend you could spend more. With nil

1104
01:03:32,040 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 2: the nil has to Go through deloitte to make sure.

1105
01:03:35,680 --> 01:03:39,040
Speaker 2: It's VALID but i don't see how they're gonna really

1106
01:03:39,120 --> 01:03:39,560
Speaker 2: police that.

1107
01:03:39,720 --> 01:03:42,840
Speaker 3: To, You no and THAT'S where i think it'd be.

1108
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 3: Really Interesting intel congress steps in and at some point

1109
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 3: that's probably. The inevitability the hard part Is that deloitte

1110
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:52,400
Speaker 3: has the opportunity to look at it and say this

1111
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:54,920
Speaker 3: isn't an appropriate amount of money for what. They're asking

1112
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:58,160
Speaker 3: so basically The way deloitte works it is, if you

1113
01:03:58,720 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 3: let's say you sign an nil deal with, You know

1114
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 3: anthony for his. Favorite restaurant anthony facilitates this for temple,

1115
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:10,120
Speaker 3: favorite restaurant but they're going to pay you five million dollars. Per,

1116
01:04:10,200 --> 01:04:13,400
Speaker 3: tweet well you only have ten. Thousand followers deloyte's going

1117
01:04:13,440 --> 01:04:14,760
Speaker 3: to turn around and look at that, And, say nope

1118
01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:17,840
Speaker 3: that that is an inappropriate you're basically paid. To play

1119
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 3: that's too much money. For that what that position is

1120
01:04:20,000 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 3: they have the right to look at deals and say

1121
01:04:22,080 --> 01:04:24,480
Speaker 3: that is not the right amount, of money it's. Too,

1122
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 3: much well the first time they truly deny that and somebody,

1123
01:04:28,600 --> 01:04:32,400
Speaker 3: wants to they'll challenge it. In COURT and i still struggle,

1124
01:04:32,480 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 3: to see despite, this settlement how a court's going to

1125
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:37,800
Speaker 3: look at that and not think that it's some sort

1126
01:04:37,840 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 3: of a, you know it's some sort of a limiting or,

1127
01:04:40,720 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 3: earning opportunity which isn't necessarily a right that. They HAVE

1128
01:04:43,520 --> 01:04:46,120
Speaker 3: so i feel like the first time somebody challenges all

1129
01:04:46,200 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 3: of this, in court it's going to. Get ugly this

1130
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 3: is just. The beginning. To me this is dipping the

1131
01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 3: toe in the water of what will eventually be a

1132
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:55,439
Speaker 3: salary cap in a college. Football system and it's also

1133
01:04:55,560 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 3: interesting now because You have Wisconsin suing University of miami

1134
01:05:00,200 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 3: for a breach of contract deal where they went out

1135
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 3: and they took somebody that was already under nil and,

1136
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 3: you know this is kind. Of weird but to, explain

1137
01:05:09,680 --> 01:05:11,680
Speaker 3: this what a lot of people don't realize is that

1138
01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 3: colleges don't want to make any kid. An employee they

1139
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:17,040
Speaker 3: just don't want to. Do it so these, nil deals because,

1140
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,800
Speaker 3: that's complicated it involves insurance and workers compet all. These

1141
01:05:19,840 --> 01:05:25,240
Speaker 3: things these nil deals, specifically, say hey, You know vanderbilt

1142
01:05:25,320 --> 01:05:27,680
Speaker 3: is not paying you to. Play football they're paying you

1143
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 3: to use your name. Image likeness but it also says in,

1144
01:05:30,640 --> 01:05:33,800
Speaker 3: the contract well understand that, your name image likeness has

1145
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 3: no true value to the school if you're not playing.

1146
01:05:36,120 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 3: For them so it's this weird workaround and so this

1147
01:05:39,880 --> 01:05:42,320
Speaker 3: court case is actually going to be pretty landmark now

1148
01:05:42,360 --> 01:05:45,720
Speaker 3: that You know wisconsin Is suing, miami, saying hey this is.

1149
01:05:45,760 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 3: Breaching contract we had somebody under contract for, their name. Image,

1150
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 3: likeness well the player's, argument is, you, know hey you

1151
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:54,720
Speaker 3: can still use my name image likeness for. These deals

1152
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:56,600
Speaker 3: it's just going to be in a. Different UNIFORM so

1153
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:59,080
Speaker 3: i say that to say all of it is so

1154
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:02,960
Speaker 3: LEGALLY complic, I know congress and the government has better

1155
01:06:03,040 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 3: things to do than police. College football but until there

1156
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:09,160
Speaker 3: is actually, law made every single one of these things

1157
01:06:09,200 --> 01:06:11,520
Speaker 3: that tries to limit somebody is going to be challenged.

1158
01:06:11,520 --> 01:06:13,680
Speaker 3: In court and there has yet to be a player.

1159
01:06:13,760 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 3: That's LOST the ncaa hasn't won a single one of.

1160
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:18,959
Speaker 3: These things so all of this feels like a band

1161
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:22,520
Speaker 3: aid on a Like a samurai. Sword wound it just.

1162
01:06:22,600 --> 01:06:23,280
Speaker 3: Doesn't work.

1163
01:06:23,400 --> 01:06:29,040
Speaker 2: You, Know yeah i'm with, you too because you can't

1164
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:34,080
Speaker 2: like The minute, deloitte, SAYS no i don't know how

1165
01:06:34,520 --> 01:06:37,560
Speaker 2: you don't go to court and they. GO wow i,

1166
01:06:37,640 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 2: mean yeah on, the surface it looks like a, Bad

1167
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:45,760
Speaker 2: deal but you can't tell a kid not the profit

1168
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:47,840
Speaker 2: off a. Bad deal everybody's you.

1169
01:06:47,880 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 3: Can't tell you can't tell a business not to write

1170
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:52,600
Speaker 3: a bad, Deal too LIKE if i own my own,

1171
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:56,000
Speaker 3: cake SHOP and i decided that my cake Shop Wanted

1172
01:06:56,320 --> 01:06:58,280
Speaker 3: drew aller to be the face of that. Cake shop

1173
01:06:58,320 --> 01:07:00,120
Speaker 3: who the Hell is deloitte to tell ME that i

1174
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 3: can't pay HIM whatever i want to pay him to

1175
01:07:01,720 --> 01:07:04,480
Speaker 3: make him rise in my? Cake shop LIKE that's i Have,

1176
01:07:04,680 --> 01:07:07,000
Speaker 3: My GOD like i can DO whatever. I want i

1177
01:07:07,040 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 3: own my, Own business like that Is a i'm not

1178
01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 3: going to dip into POLITICS because i don't, want to

1179
01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:15,600
Speaker 3: but that is a politically charged conversation in general in

1180
01:07:15,680 --> 01:07:18,080
Speaker 3: our society of what can you tell a business they

1181
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:20,760
Speaker 3: can or? Cannot do but you sure as hell can't tell,

1182
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:24,200
Speaker 3: you know The local you you Can't tell Gatorade if

1183
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 3: gatorade wants to turn around and pay, You know, Juju Whatever,

1184
01:07:29,040 --> 01:07:32,200
Speaker 3: juju watkins the female, Basketball superstar if they decide they

1185
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:35,200
Speaker 3: want to pay her forty million dollars for, one tweet

1186
01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:37,720
Speaker 3: who's delight to tell her that they tell them they can't?

1187
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:37,960
Speaker 4: Do that?

1188
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:41,000
Speaker 3: Like that that's just way outside the spectrum of anything.

1189
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:46,560
Speaker 2: That's, legal, yeah yeah so, You know chuck, Brings up

1190
01:07:46,600 --> 01:07:51,000
Speaker 2: but it's just it's such a. Fascinating, World man it's

1191
01:07:51,080 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 2: such a. FASCINATING world i don't KNOW how i mean

1192
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:56,480
Speaker 2: we have a theory of how it shakes out that

1193
01:07:56,720 --> 01:08:01,840
Speaker 2: line with, you, know consolidation, you know the power five into,

1194
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 2: two conferences, you know each LIKE an NFC, to afc

1195
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 2: that sort.

1196
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 3: Of thing but and unionizations like eventually, like yoh this

1197
01:08:13,760 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 3: is this. Is inevitable there's going to be a collective

1198
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 3: bargaining agreement which requires unionization of college, football players and

1199
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 3: then they'll have to decide are they unionizing all college

1200
01:08:22,400 --> 01:08:25,320
Speaker 3: athletes or just. College football and they're separating college football from,

1201
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 3: college basketball like all of. These things the problem is

1202
01:08:28,560 --> 01:08:31,120
Speaker 3: nobody wants to actually rip the band aid off and fix.

1203
01:08:31,200 --> 01:08:34,240
Speaker 3: The issue everybody wants to protect what, they WANT and

1204
01:08:34,720 --> 01:08:37,479
Speaker 3: i don't think college sports as we know it can.

1205
01:08:37,560 --> 01:08:39,840
Speaker 3: Be protected so at, some point you just got to

1206
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 3: be honest, With EVERYBODY like i don't know if anyone

1207
01:08:42,640 --> 01:08:45,560
Speaker 3: listening has ever sat down and realized that they're in

1208
01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 3: a year where they owe the irs a bunch OF money, i, Have,

1209
01:08:48,439 --> 01:08:51,599
Speaker 3: right like that's the glory of being an independent contractor

1210
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:54,680
Speaker 3: from much of. My life when, that happens all you

1211
01:08:54,760 --> 01:08:57,200
Speaker 3: can do is, be, like well this is just one

1212
01:08:57,200 --> 01:08:59,560
Speaker 3: of the suckiest days of. My life let's figure. IT

1213
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:02,519
Speaker 3: out i think that that's ultimately as painful as it

1214
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:04,040
Speaker 3: is to go through that whole process and, Be, like

1215
01:09:04,120 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 3: okay well my life looks a little different for the

1216
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:09,519
Speaker 3: next couple. OF years i just think that at some point,

1217
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:11,519
Speaker 3: that's why like somebody has to, sit down be the

1218
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:13,599
Speaker 3: grown up in the room, And say i'm sorry if

1219
01:09:13,640 --> 01:09:15,760
Speaker 3: this hurts, Your feelings, i'm sorry if this costs you,

1220
01:09:15,880 --> 01:09:19,479
Speaker 3: Your scholarship, i'm sorry if this to cost to school millions.

1221
01:09:19,560 --> 01:09:21,800
Speaker 3: Of dollars this is the only way it's gonna. Get

1222
01:09:21,800 --> 01:09:25,120
Speaker 3: done let's just get it done and then we can

1223
01:09:25,160 --> 01:09:27,280
Speaker 3: all deal with what the future of college sports looks like.

1224
01:09:27,320 --> 01:09:34,840
Speaker 2: After. That, YEAH no, i again, you're right because at

1225
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:39,400
Speaker 2: some point somebody's got to deal. With it, right now

1226
01:09:40,439 --> 01:09:44,880
Speaker 2: kids are free agents twice. A year the portal's open twice.

1227
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:51,040
Speaker 2: A year what could that be where you can leave

1228
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:57,599
Speaker 2: and get better deals twice. A year i was talking

1229
01:09:57,600 --> 01:09:59,720
Speaker 2: to a friend of mine as, a coach and, he's,

1230
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:01,320
Speaker 2: like ude, he goes, you know have no. An idea,

1231
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:04,759
Speaker 2: he's like we sweat.

1232
01:10:04,800 --> 01:10:05,240
Speaker 3: It out.

1233
01:10:06,640 --> 01:10:09,360
Speaker 2: Like it's one thing where you're, you're, thinking oh it's

1234
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 2: all about landing, a player but it's also about these dudes,

1235
01:10:13,520 --> 01:10:17,040
Speaker 2: that well these kids will call up, and, go YEAH

1236
01:10:17,200 --> 01:10:21,680
Speaker 2: well i, GOT it i got. An offer and, you

1237
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:25,679
Speaker 2: know you're not dealing with ages that you deal with years.

1238
01:10:25,720 --> 01:10:28,759
Speaker 2: AND all a lot of these kids are being wrepped

1239
01:10:28,800 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 2: by these, other kids like that's a whole. Other thing

1240
01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:38,160
Speaker 2: and so there's fake offers and you got to disseminate

1241
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 2: what's real what's. Not real and, you're praying, YOU'RE like

1242
01:10:40,600 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 2: i got, you know fifteen thousand dollars left in. The

1243
01:10:43,600 --> 01:10:48,679
Speaker 2: budget i'm praying that, you know my left tackle doesn't

1244
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:51,719
Speaker 2: come to me AND say i got an offer because

1245
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:55,000
Speaker 2: there's no money to. Keep them and then then what

1246
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:58,240
Speaker 2: happens then to my quarterback and my, running back and,

1247
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:00,760
Speaker 2: you know it's it's. It's crazy.

1248
01:11:01,960 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 3: My entertainment attorney used to always say that you know

1249
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 3: you've got a good deal when everybody involved. Is unhappy

1250
01:11:06,920 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 3: it's just a. Little unhappy if everybody involved is a,

1251
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 3: little unhappy you probably got the. Fairest outcome this is

1252
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:15,560
Speaker 3: one of the situations where, you're right coaches can't live in,

1253
01:11:15,640 --> 01:11:19,000
Speaker 3: this situation so they got to figure. It out and in,

1254
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:22,599
Speaker 3: that process you're gonna be looking at. Roster limits you're

1255
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:24,760
Speaker 3: gonna be looking at. Lost scholarships you're gonna be looking

1256
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 3: at people all over the place that are losing their

1257
01:11:27,280 --> 01:11:30,360
Speaker 3: opportunity for. Free education these things are. Gonna happen players

1258
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:32,280
Speaker 3: are going to have to get hit a, Little bit

1259
01:11:32,520 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 3: coaches are gonna have to get hit a, little bit

1260
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 3: and everybody's gonna scream how wildly unfair. It is but

1261
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 3: we can either do that and get, it right or

1262
01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 3: we can keep incrementally trying to change and change and change,

1263
01:11:44,200 --> 01:11:47,040
Speaker 3: and change and that just wears everybody, Out out like

1264
01:11:47,160 --> 01:11:50,840
Speaker 3: it just THIS is i think people get as exhausted

1265
01:11:50,880 --> 01:11:52,800
Speaker 3: by this as they do every time, we hear, you

1266
01:11:52,840 --> 01:11:55,360
Speaker 3: know the words lockout or hold out in in, professional

1267
01:11:55,439 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 3: sports where inevitably fans just roll. Their eyes LIKE the

1268
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:03,760
Speaker 3: wnba the End, in october they're they're gonna be collectively

1269
01:12:03,800 --> 01:12:06,840
Speaker 3: bargaining a new labor agreement between the league and. THE

1270
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 3: players i don't think it's gonna, Be pretty and if it's,

1271
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:12,360
Speaker 3: not pretty that's really bad for. The sport it's just

1272
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:15,240
Speaker 3: epically bad for. The sport but they're gonna have to

1273
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:17,679
Speaker 3: go through it to get to whatever they think common ground.

1274
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:21,519
Speaker 3: LOOKS like i just think college football needs to just

1275
01:12:21,760 --> 01:12:24,840
Speaker 3: accept the fact that that's where things like if you're

1276
01:12:24,840 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 3: sitting here, purist saying well that's, you know they get,

1277
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:30,280
Speaker 3: free scholarship all these things like your, argument's dead you lost.

1278
01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:33,200
Speaker 3: That case, it's over so just accept the loss and now.

1279
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:36,240
Speaker 3: Move ON and i think the entire college, football community

1280
01:12:36,320 --> 01:12:39,160
Speaker 3: players and coaches need a grown up to sit in

1281
01:12:39,520 --> 01:12:41,840
Speaker 3: in the room, and, say hey so what now what

1282
01:12:42,000 --> 01:12:44,160
Speaker 3: whatever it used, TO be i, don't care what is

1283
01:12:44,240 --> 01:12:46,560
Speaker 3: it actually gonna be for the next fifty years AND

1284
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,760
Speaker 3: that i think that's gonna TAKE law i think that's

1285
01:12:49,800 --> 01:12:52,760
Speaker 3: gonna take, law makers it's gonna, take mediation it's gonna

1286
01:12:52,760 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 3: take attorneys all over, the place and it's gonna look

1287
01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:59,000
Speaker 3: so different in three or. Four YEARS like i would rather, see,

1288
01:12:59,040 --> 01:13:02,720
Speaker 3: them honestly see all college sports shut down for six

1289
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:05,120
Speaker 3: months while they negotiate it and get it figured out

1290
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:07,439
Speaker 3: so that we actually have, a future rather than do

1291
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:09,800
Speaker 3: what we're, doing now which is just, you know that's,

1292
01:13:09,880 --> 01:13:12,080
Speaker 3: not fair that's, not fair that's. Not fair, this changes This,

1293
01:13:12,240 --> 01:13:15,120
Speaker 3: changes god just rip it, all apart change it and then. Restart.

1294
01:13:15,200 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 2: It, YEAH yeah i got to get to the player

1295
01:13:20,120 --> 01:13:24,679
Speaker 2: piece of, IT too i, really do because the Amount,

1296
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:27,360
Speaker 2: OF like i don't know if it's jealousy. Or whatever

1297
01:13:28,200 --> 01:13:32,840
Speaker 2: people begrudging these kids' money is. JUST wrong i just

1298
01:13:33,200 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 2: got to addressing for. A second where the fellas hanging

1299
01:13:36,600 --> 01:13:41,800
Speaker 2: out On a Saturday a june right Here On Fox.

1300
01:13:41,840 --> 01:13:49,760
Speaker 2: Sports radio, welcome, back hey for the best pregame show.

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01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:52,080
Speaker 2: Every weekend be sure to Tune Into Fox Sports radios

1302
01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:55,920
Speaker 2: countdown Presented By ben Mgm Every saturday sunday morning from

1303
01:13:55,960 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 2: nine am the noon eastern sixth And. Nine pacific we're

1304
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:01,679
Speaker 2: to caunt it down to all the. Biggest games tune

1305
01:14:01,720 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 2: In the countdown Presented By bed Mgm Every saturday sunday

1306
01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:07,440
Speaker 2: morning right Here On Fox sports radio And the. iHeartRadio

1307
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:14,720
Speaker 2: app so a lot of people begrudge the, Kid case i'm,

1308
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:18,719
Speaker 2: making money, make money so you, hear right.

1309
01:14:20,400 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 3: It's a lot.

1310
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:27,559
Speaker 2: Of. Work now it's Funny as i'm doing, THE show

1311
01:14:29,200 --> 01:14:33,280
Speaker 2: i look outside my office DOOR and i see, my son,

1312
01:14:33,439 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 2: who's fifteen who is getting ready to go to. Football

1313
01:14:38,200 --> 01:14:47,599
Speaker 2: practice Now, it's, june right school just let out two,

1314
01:14:47,640 --> 01:14:55,320
Speaker 2: weeks ago And, it's saturday and they have football practice

1315
01:14:57,240 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 2: at seven, point thirty like On a. Saturday morning that's a.

1316
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:09,360
Speaker 2: High school this is a lot. Of work like, these

1317
01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:13,200
Speaker 2: kids these high school kids are putting in a Ton Of,

1318
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 2: it's june it's not camp. Hasn't started they call these, things,

1319
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:22,920
Speaker 2: workouts right involuntary, or whatever how they. Do whatever you

1320
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:26,760
Speaker 2: have to be at. These workouts you've got to be

1321
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:28,479
Speaker 2: able to. Work out you have to do. These workouts

1322
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:33,880
Speaker 2: and these. Are practices they're called workouts just so they

1323
01:15:33,920 --> 01:15:37,920
Speaker 2: don't get, you know they fall under the realm of the.

1324
01:15:38,000 --> 01:15:41,200
Speaker 2: Spring workout these are full fledged two and a half.

1325
01:15:41,280 --> 01:15:48,080
Speaker 2: HOUR practices, i mean these kids, Are working they're, Earning

1326
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 2: there they're earning. Their keep there's money evolved when it

1327
01:15:53,000 --> 01:15:59,080
Speaker 2: comes to college sports and high. SCHOOL sports, i mean

1328
01:15:59,160 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 2: it's real fit these.

1329
01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:08,560
Speaker 3: KIDS need i just literally give me any other industry

1330
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:14,160
Speaker 3: where people openly root against kids to. Make money it

1331
01:16:14,280 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 3: doesn't like it just doesn't make sense. TO me I

1332
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:21,479
Speaker 3: mean i've said this. For years when everybody sits down and,

1333
01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:24,040
Speaker 3: tells you oh, my god, YOU know i can't believe

1334
01:16:24,640 --> 01:16:28,760
Speaker 3: that these kids are gonna go. Make money nobody sits there, and,

1335
01:16:29,400 --> 01:16:33,800
Speaker 3: wonders man how much education Did justin. Timberlake Get, like no, it's,

1336
01:16:33,840 --> 01:16:36,160
Speaker 3: like hey go get yours like. We see we see,

1337
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:40,760
Speaker 3: music people we, see actors we see, content creators all

1338
01:16:41,080 --> 01:16:43,200
Speaker 3: out there making money off of their skill set as

1339
01:16:43,240 --> 01:16:46,240
Speaker 3: soon as they're, humanly, possible like and nobody faults. For

1340
01:16:46,360 --> 01:16:49,160
Speaker 3: it and you know This is i've made this argument

1341
01:16:49,200 --> 01:16:50,800
Speaker 3: with you a. MILLION times i will always die in

1342
01:16:50,840 --> 01:16:52,880
Speaker 3: the hill of, you know why is it that you

1343
01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:56,840
Speaker 3: can be a music kid and get a full scholarship

1344
01:16:56,880 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 3: to a school and then also turn around and teach

1345
01:16:59,320 --> 01:17:02,240
Speaker 3: lessons and make money and use that school as part

1346
01:17:02,240 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 3: of the leveraged opportunity to make cash while you're on.

1347
01:17:05,400 --> 01:17:07,920
Speaker 3: Full scholarship but we don't let the basketball players. Do

1348
01:17:08,000 --> 01:17:09,679
Speaker 3: that like there Was a big ten school that offered

1349
01:17:09,720 --> 01:17:11,800
Speaker 3: me a full ride as, a musician AND then i

1350
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:14,240
Speaker 3: would have gotten the best instructors in the world at,

1351
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:17,440
Speaker 3: THAT school i would have gotten the best, practice FACILITIES

1352
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:19,559
Speaker 3: and i would have been able to use their school

1353
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:21,959
Speaker 3: on my resume as a reason to get better auditions

1354
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:23,800
Speaker 3: and get teaching jobs right out of the Gate while

1355
01:17:23,800 --> 01:17:26,400
Speaker 3: i'm still. In school and nobody cares. About that but

1356
01:17:26,840 --> 01:17:28,800
Speaker 3: when it becomes a, basketball player, it's, like, well, no,

1357
01:17:28,880 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 3: no no you can't. Do that, you know it Just

1358
01:17:30,479 --> 01:17:35,080
Speaker 3: doesn't none of this concept makes, Any, sense like you

1359
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:38,200
Speaker 3: can be, a kid you can be an engineering kid

1360
01:17:38,280 --> 01:17:40,960
Speaker 3: that's on a full scholarship and then make side money

1361
01:17:41,280 --> 01:17:45,160
Speaker 3: tutoring and. Nobody CARES like, i just what is at

1362
01:17:45,200 --> 01:17:47,120
Speaker 3: the end of, the day other than the fact that

1363
01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:49,800
Speaker 3: people just like things the way that they, like things

1364
01:17:50,240 --> 01:17:52,479
Speaker 3: what is the reason that the world seems to not

1365
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 3: want to let kids get paid based on the skill

1366
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:58,080
Speaker 3: set that. They, have like if, you're talented it's something good,

1367
01:17:58,120 --> 01:18:00,880
Speaker 3: at something and you work your ass, off something you

1368
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:02,280
Speaker 3: should be allowed to make money.

1369
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:04,960
Speaker 7: DOING it i don't think that's a. Hot, Take no

1370
01:18:05,280 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 7: and by, the way, it's work. It's work you're playing.

1371
01:18:12,120 --> 01:18:14,120
Speaker 7: Him out you can't get.

1372
01:18:14,160 --> 01:18:18,439
Speaker 2: A job like my friend of, Mine, says hey, when's

1373
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:20,040
Speaker 2: Uh little ant want to get?

1374
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 4: A job.

1375
01:18:20,920 --> 01:18:25,439
Speaker 2: Summer job, i'm Like little ant has a. Summer job

1376
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:31,639
Speaker 2: He spends he spends twice, you know to. A day's

1377
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:37,360
Speaker 2: you guys practice every day again before camp. Even begins his,

1378
01:18:37,560 --> 01:18:40,160
Speaker 2: PRACTICE wherever i guess they get together four times a

1379
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:44,000
Speaker 2: week and then, he lifts, you know. Every day he

1380
01:18:44,080 --> 01:18:50,479
Speaker 2: works out every day and Then come july they're gonna

1381
01:18:50,479 --> 01:18:53,639
Speaker 2: be the start. Training camp that's'll be two. A day's

1382
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 2: when's you kids supposed to get. A, JOB.

1383
01:18:57,720 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean i, Mean, SERIOUS no i mean as

1384
01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:03,519
Speaker 3: a kid that practiced the violin eight hours a day my,

1385
01:19:03,640 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 3: whole life you, go, like yeah like when when if

1386
01:19:07,479 --> 01:19:08,760
Speaker 3: you are putting in the work to get to the

1387
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:12,120
Speaker 3: one percent of the, one percent it's just it's A

1388
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:15,000
Speaker 3: different you're living in a. Different sphere you're living in

1389
01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:17,759
Speaker 3: a total, Different world like your reality is. Totally different

1390
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:19,760
Speaker 3: and if you have a chance to make money off,

1391
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:21,760
Speaker 3: of that especially knowing how many of these kids that

1392
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:24,439
Speaker 3: play college ball somewhere are never going to play in, The,

1393
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 3: pros like why are we trying to deny them their

1394
01:19:27,280 --> 01:19:29,519
Speaker 3: opportunity over and over and. Over again don't use the

1395
01:19:29,560 --> 01:19:32,679
Speaker 3: scholarship as real income because they give scholarships. To everybody

1396
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:33,320
Speaker 3: that just doesn't.

1397
01:19:33,320 --> 01:19:37,439
Speaker 2: MAKE sense i so thank you because it bugs ME

1398
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:40,160
Speaker 2: and i hear it all. The time people begrudge, these

1399
01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:42,880
Speaker 2: Kids and, I'M like i. SEE it, i mean some

1400
01:19:43,040 --> 01:19:46,160
Speaker 2: of these elite kids with the hours, and hours it's

1401
01:19:46,200 --> 01:19:49,680
Speaker 2: amazing what. They do where the fellas hanging out? Right

1402
01:19:49,760 --> 01:19:52,440
Speaker 2: Here Fox, sports radio.

1403
01:19:53,520 --> 01:19:55,040
Speaker 1: You're Listening To Fox Sports.

1404
01:19:55,160 --> 01:20:00,360
Speaker 2: Radio, radio well, good morning, good morning good, mo morning,

1405
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:06,280
Speaker 2: good morning happy Happy Happy Fox, Sports Saturday Jason Fitz

1406
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:13,240
Speaker 2: anthony gargano hanging out From The fox sports. Radio, STUDIOS

1407
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:19,680
Speaker 2: uh fitzi are you a? Sure guy are You a

1408
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:20,400
Speaker 2: are you? A?

1409
01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:25,560
Speaker 3: Beachman, NO yeah I mean i like being around the

1410
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:28,800
Speaker 3: beach for a. Little bit, but, LIKE yeah I mean i.

1411
01:20:29,040 --> 01:20:29,800
Speaker 4: DO that i.

1412
01:20:30,040 --> 01:20:32,599
Speaker 2: Knew it you're not A beach you're not a, beach guy,

1413
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:33,639
Speaker 2: All Right yeah.

1414
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 3: I'M not i don't, lounge, Well brother so like the

1415
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 3: concept to be at, The BEACH like i always think

1416
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:40,800
Speaker 3: it's gonna, be great AND then i get there for

1417
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:42,600
Speaker 3: like a few Minutes and i'm bored out of. MY

1418
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:45,760
Speaker 3: mind I just i, Need activity i'll. ADMIT it i.

1419
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 2: NEED activity i can totally see. You fidgeting you're a.

1420
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:51,160
Speaker 2: Fidget YEAH like i.

1421
01:20:51,240 --> 01:20:52,880
Speaker 3: Make it like ten, fifteen minutes And then, i'm like

1422
01:20:52,880 --> 01:20:54,599
Speaker 3: what are? We doing we did we bring? Into games

1423
01:20:54,640 --> 01:20:56,200
Speaker 3: like what are? We are we are we? Playing something

1424
01:20:56,320 --> 01:20:57,360
Speaker 3: like is there something going on?

1425
01:20:57,600 --> 01:20:57,640
Speaker 4: Like?

1426
01:20:57,720 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 3: That Yeah or i'm in the water like jump around

1427
01:21:00,439 --> 01:21:02,320
Speaker 3: for for no, good reason just BECAUSE like i FEEL

1428
01:21:02,320 --> 01:21:02,760
Speaker 3: like i got to.

1429
01:21:02,840 --> 01:21:07,040
Speaker 2: Do something oh. THAT'S awesome i. Knew it, your energizer

1430
01:21:07,160 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 2: bunny all, The way I'm the i'm. The opposite, I'm

1431
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:17,439
Speaker 2: like i'm like, a bear like forget, about it and

1432
01:21:18,520 --> 01:21:21,040
Speaker 2: IF's and if, there's service like, YOU know i can

1433
01:21:21,080 --> 01:21:24,000
Speaker 2: get a Gen and Tonic that i'm even worth.

1434
01:21:24,120 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 3: SETTLED in i can just give you a book And

1435
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:31,000
Speaker 3: then i'm good. FOR hours i feel this like, You

1436
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:33,799
Speaker 3: know anthony on the beach With the Gin, and tonic

1437
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:36,400
Speaker 3: like this is this is so. Wildly on branton just,

1438
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:38,640
Speaker 3: sitting back got a little bit of the vibe Of

1439
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:41,200
Speaker 3: like i'm. ENJOYING this i got the family, around him

1440
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:44,320
Speaker 3: everybody's having a, good time like, you know the boys

1441
01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:46,080
Speaker 3: are sort of rough house and over on. The sand

1442
01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:48,599
Speaker 3: anthony's got his toes in the sand reading a book

1443
01:21:48,640 --> 01:21:50,439
Speaker 3: and he's got this like smile on his face with

1444
01:21:50,520 --> 01:21:52,200
Speaker 3: a little bit of a don't bother, me vibe but

1445
01:21:52,280 --> 01:21:54,760
Speaker 3: Also like i'm in a really good. Spot vibe i'm

1446
01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:57,880
Speaker 3: over like jumping up and down in, the ocean getting

1447
01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:00,719
Speaker 3: ocean water In My penia colada that has two umbrellas

1448
01:22:00,720 --> 01:22:03,479
Speaker 3: in it and. Extra cherries while i, Jump around, i'm,

1449
01:22:03,520 --> 01:22:05,840
Speaker 3: like whoa look? At whoa there we go like there's

1450
01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:09,320
Speaker 3: this is this is this completely tracks for. This show

1451
01:22:09,479 --> 01:22:10,600
Speaker 3: it tracks that.

1452
01:22:10,920 --> 01:22:15,120
Speaker 2: Is awesome Oh, my god you're, spot. OFF brother i totally,

1453
01:22:15,240 --> 01:22:19,920
Speaker 2: see you totally see you. Doing that oh. That's great were,

1454
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:23,320
Speaker 2: you got like will you make any, you know like

1455
01:22:23,439 --> 01:22:24,639
Speaker 2: what vacation will?

1456
01:22:24,680 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 4: You go.

1457
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:27,840
Speaker 2: I'm curious i'm curious, about like will you do? Any,

1458
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 2: VACATION yeah i.

1459
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 3: MEAN no i think this every year is sort. OF

1460
01:22:32,840 --> 01:22:35,720
Speaker 3: different i like to go into different like summers with,

1461
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:39,000
Speaker 3: different approaches AND so i decided this, this summer the

1462
01:22:39,040 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 3: approach was Gonna be i'm gonna go to a bunch.

1463
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:44,240
Speaker 3: Of concerts i'm gonna like stay sort, of local just

1464
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:46,640
Speaker 3: keep my head down and just sort of relax a

1465
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:50,559
Speaker 3: little bit, without travel, because travel to me is either

1466
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:53,080
Speaker 3: the best or IT'S really i travel over so many

1467
01:22:53,160 --> 01:22:55,400
Speaker 3: years of my life, at work You know I've got

1468
01:22:55,479 --> 01:22:57,439
Speaker 3: i've sort of SORT of i went back. AND forth,

1469
01:22:57,479 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 3: i think, You know i've got a couple of bucket

1470
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:01,600
Speaker 3: LIST places i want to go. NEXT year I was

1471
01:23:01,680 --> 01:23:04,800
Speaker 3: i was really infatuated with the concept of Going to italy,

1472
01:23:04,880 --> 01:23:07,160
Speaker 3: this YEAR but i had some people tell me it

1473
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:08,840
Speaker 3: wasn't like it was going to be a very busy

1474
01:23:08,960 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 3: year because Of something i'm not smart enough. To UNDERSTAND

1475
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:12,960
Speaker 3: so i was, just, Like ah i'll wait, a year so,

1476
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:15,600
Speaker 3: YOU know i think. Next year, Next year Hawaii and

1477
01:23:15,680 --> 01:23:17,320
Speaker 3: italy are on. The list those are like the two

1478
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:20,280
Speaker 3: Buckets places i've been. Waiting for so. That's great, you

1479
01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:22,200
Speaker 3: know right after, The draft i'm gonna Go. To hawaii

1480
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:24,679
Speaker 3: have made, that decision and then later in The summer,

1481
01:23:25,240 --> 01:23:29,000
Speaker 3: i'll go, You know I'll Pick anthony gargano's brain and

1482
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 3: figure out the right way. To go i've Been, TO

1483
01:23:30,960 --> 01:23:33,240
Speaker 3: italy i, don't know three or four times, for Work

1484
01:23:33,360 --> 01:23:35,439
Speaker 3: but i'm gonna go. For pleasure so, you Know that's

1485
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:37,760
Speaker 3: those are two bucket. List THINGS so i Decided knowing

1486
01:23:37,760 --> 01:23:40,040
Speaker 3: i'm going to accomplish two of those. Next year this

1487
01:23:40,280 --> 01:23:42,360
Speaker 3: is the year of keep, it simple keep, it local

1488
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:45,880
Speaker 3: keep my, head, down enjoy, you know save a little

1489
01:23:45,920 --> 01:23:49,559
Speaker 3: bit and instead spend that time and and fun money

1490
01:23:50,160 --> 01:23:51,600
Speaker 3: go into concerts. And things what? About you.

1491
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:55,800
Speaker 2: That's awesome hawaii where you're gonna got one of my.

1492
01:23:56,120 --> 01:24:00,080
Speaker 2: FAVORITE Spots i kawhi is one of my favorite spots in.

1493
01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:04,200
Speaker 2: The WORLD but i can't see You in kwai because it's.

1494
01:24:04,320 --> 01:24:04,360
Speaker 4: So.

1495
01:24:04,640 --> 01:24:07,720
Speaker 3: Remote, Yeah no i've never Been.

1496
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:09,800
Speaker 2: With, maui yeah that's.

1497
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:11,880
Speaker 3: My first it's my. First trip it's the only state

1498
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:14,080
Speaker 3: LEFT that i haven't, been To so i'm gonna cross

1499
01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:16,240
Speaker 3: it off. The list, But, Yeah maui i'm GOING like

1500
01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:20,240
Speaker 3: i am the worst in the sense that EVEN when i,

1501
01:24:20,400 --> 01:24:23,960
Speaker 3: was traveling, you know, for music the number of times people, are,

1502
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 3: like oh don't go, do this. It's touristy i'm the

1503
01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:29,240
Speaker 3: guy that says it's touristy for. A reason SO LIKE

1504
01:24:29,439 --> 01:24:32,200
Speaker 3: i i am all in on doing Every cliche so,

1505
01:24:32,400 --> 01:24:36,520
Speaker 3: like whale, you know going to see like the dolphins

1506
01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:40,439
Speaker 3: and whales. And Whatever like i've got like a laundry list. Of,

1507
01:24:40,560 --> 01:24:43,679
Speaker 3: thing yeah whale watching, that's yeah while watching the whole

1508
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,200
Speaker 3: like rented jeep and drive through, An, area, Like yeah

1509
01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:49,240
Speaker 3: i'm gonna do all of The cliche. Maui things and,

1510
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:52,439
Speaker 3: to me not doing a cliche thing is kind of

1511
01:24:52,479 --> 01:24:53,880
Speaker 3: like Going To new york for the first time and

1512
01:24:53,960 --> 01:24:56,760
Speaker 3: deciding you're gonna Skip The Empire state building And the

1513
01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:59,280
Speaker 3: Statue of liberty because you don't want to do the. Cliche,

1514
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:02,000
Speaker 3: stuff EVERYBODY e i want to. GO right i want

1515
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 3: to hit singles the FIRST time i visit someplace, for

1516
01:25:04,400 --> 01:25:06,160
Speaker 3: fun and then look for home runs the.

1517
01:25:06,240 --> 01:25:09,160
Speaker 2: Second time smart that's the way to, do. IT man.

1518
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:14,720
Speaker 2: I agree. I agree you have. To go like if

1519
01:25:14,760 --> 01:25:16,800
Speaker 2: you Go to rome and you've never been To The,

1520
01:25:16,880 --> 01:25:19,960
Speaker 2: kyle sam you got to. See it she's got to.

1521
01:25:20,000 --> 01:25:22,840
Speaker 2: SAY it, i mean, YOU know, i mean you don't

1522
01:25:22,880 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 2: need to take selfies and do all, that stuff just

1523
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:27,800
Speaker 2: but you got to. See it it's you have to

1524
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:31,840
Speaker 2: look at it and let it develop you because it

1525
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 2: is a. Big deal there's a reason why it's, been there,

1526
01:25:36,680 --> 01:25:41,720
Speaker 2: you know two. Thousand Years so i'm, With you i'm.

1527
01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:46,120
Speaker 2: With you we. Are going we have there's a Town

1528
01:25:46,640 --> 01:25:50,680
Speaker 2: in italy that we love and. It's bizarre so, you

1529
01:25:50,760 --> 01:25:53,439
Speaker 2: know because of traveling and, everything else we have all

1530
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:57,880
Speaker 2: these points and it's actually cheaper to go to this

1531
01:25:58,120 --> 01:26:03,200
Speaker 2: Town in pulia that we love, to eat to sleep

1532
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:06,400
Speaker 2: and and eat and everything than it is to go

1533
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:12,120
Speaker 2: to our local Seashore In. New Jersey h that's that's

1534
01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:18,760
Speaker 2: take care of because. Of, points right so there's four

1535
01:26:18,800 --> 01:26:19,840
Speaker 2: of us the floods take.

1536
01:26:19,920 --> 01:26:20,200
Speaker 4: Care of.

1537
01:26:21,800 --> 01:26:24,760
Speaker 2: But. IT'S cheaper, i looked we looked at it like

1538
01:26:24,800 --> 01:26:26,360
Speaker 2: we're gonna go down the shore for a week and.

1539
01:26:26,439 --> 01:26:32,840
Speaker 2: Go there it's. Markedly, cheaper, like yeah it's far and

1540
01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:35,400
Speaker 2: you gotta. Do it but when you take the, flight

1541
01:26:35,479 --> 01:26:39,840
Speaker 2: out it's not. Even close and so we're gonna we're

1542
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:43,280
Speaker 2: gonna go to this town we Love. Called yesterday it's

1543
01:26:43,560 --> 01:26:46,960
Speaker 2: it's it, sounds stupid but it's but it's. The truth

1544
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:54,760
Speaker 2: there's a peninsula that juts Into The. Adriac sea it's

1545
01:26:54,840 --> 01:27:01,120
Speaker 2: Called The. Gargano peninsula oh, that's, Amazing right so, you

1546
01:27:01,200 --> 01:27:03,080
Speaker 2: know how do we? Not go so, years ago, like

1547
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:05,120
Speaker 2: whatever my WIFE and i went and we like fell

1548
01:27:05,160 --> 01:27:07,400
Speaker 2: in love with. This town and the town's Called. Vi

1549
01:27:07,560 --> 01:27:11,040
Speaker 2: estay it's In, northern pulia and so we took the

1550
01:27:11,120 --> 01:27:15,160
Speaker 2: kids a couple of. Years ago the kids. Freaked out, they're,

1551
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:17,879
Speaker 2: like cause, you know you're walking around our, names, Everywhere

1552
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:21,120
Speaker 2: right like You see gargatto And ask gargatto, of that and, you're,

1553
01:27:21,160 --> 01:27:24,360
Speaker 2: like well. It's bizarre and the people there when you

1554
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:29,760
Speaker 2: show them, your NAME like i show my passport, or whatever, they're,

1555
01:27:29,840 --> 01:27:33,640
Speaker 2: Like wow, you're like we've never Bet. A garganto and

1556
01:27:33,800 --> 01:27:38,760
Speaker 2: all really is is you know how many hundreds and

1557
01:27:38,880 --> 01:27:43,720
Speaker 2: hundreds of years ago whoever whatever my real last name

1558
01:27:43,880 --> 01:27:48,240
Speaker 2: is was from that region and they left to go

1559
01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:53,559
Speaker 2: to another region and That's, in naples and they Were

1560
01:27:53,840 --> 01:27:58,160
Speaker 2: called gargato because that's where they. Came from, so reality

1561
01:27:58,200 --> 01:27:59,360
Speaker 2: we don't even know where our last.

1562
01:27:59,439 --> 01:27:59,800
Speaker 4: Name, IS.

1563
01:28:01,280 --> 01:28:05,599
Speaker 3: Look i full transparency to. OUR audience I text anthony

1564
01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:08,240
Speaker 3: like a couple of weeks AGO because i was sitting

1565
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:12,160
Speaker 3: at a, like fancy just fancy farm to Table restaurant

1566
01:28:12,280 --> 01:28:16,519
Speaker 3: connecticutte that everybody rages about and raves about and. They

1567
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:20,000
Speaker 3: should it was. Absolutely was it. Was insane it was

1568
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:24,040
Speaker 3: the food was. Just AMAZING and i can't even remember

1569
01:28:24,080 --> 01:28:25,840
Speaker 3: the Name of, i'm terrible but it was one of

1570
01:28:25,880 --> 01:28:29,280
Speaker 3: those trendy places everybody, goes to but in like a

1571
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:31,840
Speaker 3: little town That's Very. New england but all of, the

1572
01:28:31,920 --> 01:28:34,519
Speaker 3: pasta everything is. Very handmade all, the breads all, the

1573
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:37,160
Speaker 3: pastas every single thing that they do they make in

1574
01:28:37,280 --> 01:28:39,920
Speaker 3: house every. Single day AND when i sat down and

1575
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:42,600
Speaker 3: looked at, the menu it said at the bottom like

1576
01:28:42,640 --> 01:28:44,920
Speaker 3: the name of the chef and the executive chef in

1577
01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:46,720
Speaker 3: the propriety of, the restaurant and the last Name. Was

1578
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:49,920
Speaker 3: GARGANO so I text ANTHONY and, I said i'm, CONVINCED that,

1579
01:28:50,280 --> 01:28:52,280
Speaker 3: i mean it has to BE like I just i've

1580
01:28:52,360 --> 01:28:54,519
Speaker 3: decided that every single person with the last Name of

1581
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:58,040
Speaker 3: gargano was actually at your house For, like thanksgiving In For,

1582
01:28:58,160 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 3: christmas eve and that. Includes family so, you know it's

1583
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:03,960
Speaker 3: just everybody must be related with the. Last, NAME yes

1584
01:29:04,120 --> 01:29:06,120
Speaker 3: I felt i laughed at MYSELF as i sent you,

1585
01:29:06,280 --> 01:29:07,640
Speaker 3: the TEXT but i had TO because i, was like

1586
01:29:07,720 --> 01:29:09,640
Speaker 3: this is too small a world to be At an

1587
01:29:09,680 --> 01:29:12,800
Speaker 3: italian Restaurant in connecticut and my co host name is.

1588
01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:15,320
Speaker 2: ON it I love i. LOVE it i. Love it

1589
01:29:15,600 --> 01:29:17,800
Speaker 2: you gotta Come For christmas eve next year without. A doubt.

1590
01:29:17,840 --> 01:29:22,160
Speaker 2: You gotta you just gotta. MAKE it, i yeah official

1591
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:25,640
Speaker 2: invite to so you know is. Right now so you

1592
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:28,320
Speaker 2: are officially Invited To. Christmas eve you got to. Come

1593
01:29:28,360 --> 01:29:33,439
Speaker 2: in uh so let let's let me get to this

1594
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:36,080
Speaker 2: because because YOU and i could talk about the vacations.

1595
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:36,519
Speaker 4: Whole.

1596
01:29:36,600 --> 01:29:43,559
Speaker 2: Day uh, you know every year, everybody Does Like pete

1597
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:48,200
Speaker 2: prisco came out with the HUNDRED greatest. Nfl, players today

1598
01:29:48,280 --> 01:29:51,800
Speaker 2: they rankings, AND listen i get it slow period of

1599
01:29:51,880 --> 01:29:53,120
Speaker 2: time and we all like to.

1600
01:29:53,320 --> 01:29:53,600
Speaker 4: DO it.

1601
01:29:56,000 --> 01:29:58,160
Speaker 2: I always think you need to rank by position and

1602
01:29:58,560 --> 01:30:02,519
Speaker 2: not ranked the toll hels, so stupid but it bugs

1603
01:30:02,600 --> 01:30:07,839
Speaker 2: ME ranking nfl players won the one hundred without grouping

1604
01:30:07,880 --> 01:30:09,080
Speaker 2: them in. THE position.

1605
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:13,840
Speaker 3: I would agree, with, that like how do you actually.

1606
01:30:14,960 --> 01:30:15,200
Speaker 4: Do a?

1607
01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:18,640
Speaker 3: Ranking properly while because it's almost like great not, A

1608
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:21,920
Speaker 3: curve like if you are the best safety IN, the

1609
01:30:22,080 --> 01:30:25,720
Speaker 3: nfl you are not as important as the thirteenth best

1610
01:30:25,840 --> 01:30:29,639
Speaker 3: quarterback IN. The nfl so like that's just a that's that's,

1611
01:30:30,280 --> 01:30:32,519
Speaker 3: that's difficult, you know right?

1612
01:30:33,400 --> 01:30:36,800
Speaker 2: RIGHT now i. Thought that, you, KNOW again i don't

1613
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:39,920
Speaker 2: want to be stupid and silly, bit Petty but, I'M

1614
01:30:40,040 --> 01:30:44,519
Speaker 2: like i can't deal with the. TOTAL rank, i mean

1615
01:30:46,160 --> 01:30:51,680
Speaker 2: it feels like we react to these rankings like And

1616
01:30:52,040 --> 01:30:56,400
Speaker 2: in philadelphia we're highly Acute To chris simm's right, quarterback

1617
01:30:56,520 --> 01:31:04,000
Speaker 2: rankings and people freak Out Where jalen hurts is ranked as,

1618
01:31:04,040 --> 01:31:08,680
Speaker 2: A QUARTERBACK and i. Don't understand why can you explain that?

1619
01:31:08,800 --> 01:31:09,040
Speaker 2: TO me.

1620
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:14,320
Speaker 3: I think people freak out On Where jalen hurts is

1621
01:31:14,840 --> 01:31:22,280
Speaker 3: because it's like we're so obsessed with quarterbacks being a

1622
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:24,760
Speaker 3: certain like the way they throw the. Ball WHATEVER like

1623
01:31:25,520 --> 01:31:28,800
Speaker 3: i think we were obsessed with video, game Quarterbacking And

1624
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:32,720
Speaker 3: jalen hurts. Is not when you watch, him play it

1625
01:31:32,800 --> 01:31:35,400
Speaker 3: doesn't always look the same as it does from A

1626
01:31:35,520 --> 01:31:38,600
Speaker 3: HOMES but i think that we've forgotten that there are

1627
01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:42,640
Speaker 3: different styles, of fighter and, SO frankly i Think that

1628
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:45,840
Speaker 3: hurts is chronically undervalued most of. The time but then

1629
01:31:46,400 --> 01:31:48,360
Speaker 3: The anti hurts crowd wants to come in, and, say

1630
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:50,599
Speaker 3: well he's just a. Game manager and they say he's

1631
01:31:50,640 --> 01:31:52,200
Speaker 3: just a game manager because he's on a team with

1632
01:31:52,240 --> 01:31:55,040
Speaker 3: the great offensive line that at times can be a

1633
01:31:55,080 --> 01:31:58,120
Speaker 3: boring offense to some that are just watching, red zone.

1634
01:31:58,160 --> 01:32:00,640
Speaker 3: You KNOW so i think that it's just part of,

1635
01:32:00,680 --> 01:32:03,760
Speaker 3: the perceptions like we've decided that a great quarterback has

1636
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:07,280
Speaker 3: to Play like mahomes where they run around to make

1637
01:32:07,320 --> 01:32:10,080
Speaker 3: these crazy throws and that's the crux of. Their offense

1638
01:32:10,360 --> 01:32:13,160
Speaker 3: not a guy that, you know can plow into the

1639
01:32:13,240 --> 01:32:15,120
Speaker 3: offensive line and get, one YARD which i think is

1640
01:32:15,200 --> 01:32:17,920
Speaker 3: Minimizing What jalen. Hurts does i'm just giving the ARGUMENT

1641
01:32:17,960 --> 01:32:19,200
Speaker 3: that i think people make that Are Anti.

1642
01:32:19,280 --> 01:32:19,519
Speaker 2: Jalen.

1643
01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:19,880
Speaker 4: Hurts.

1644
01:32:20,439 --> 01:32:23,400
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah and, you know the, other, thing too would

1645
01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:26,160
Speaker 2: kind of, bugs me, is like you get, the Well

1646
01:32:26,280 --> 01:32:33,479
Speaker 2: What's justin? HERBERT won, i, don't like here's. The thing

1647
01:32:34,200 --> 01:32:37,280
Speaker 2: if you just Look At, Justin Herbert justin herbert is.

1648
01:32:37,400 --> 01:32:39,200
Speaker 2: Immensely talented.

1649
01:32:40,479 --> 01:32:40,800
Speaker 3: He's a.

1650
01:32:41,000 --> 01:32:46,280
Speaker 2: Terrific Quarterback justin herbert can't help how his who was

1651
01:32:46,360 --> 01:32:51,000
Speaker 2: his Coach before harball and how that thing was. Put together,

1652
01:32:51,560 --> 01:32:57,720
Speaker 2: LIKE honestly i hear get on again the uh we'll

1653
01:32:57,760 --> 01:33:02,080
Speaker 2: do It in philadelphia because we're, highly parochial and try

1654
01:33:02,160 --> 01:33:06,080
Speaker 2: to talk about How great, hurts is which again. He

1655
01:33:06,280 --> 01:33:10,240
Speaker 2: is herbert's a different. Style QUARTERBACK and i hate that,

1656
01:33:10,439 --> 01:33:13,280
Speaker 2: argument too, which, is well they haven't want he isn't. Want, anything,

1657
01:33:13,720 --> 01:33:17,760
Speaker 2: yeah well, you know because the sport is what, it

1658
01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:20,600
Speaker 2: is and you need, great coaching and you need, a

1659
01:33:20,720 --> 01:33:24,320
Speaker 2: plan and you need a. Whole thing, you know Doesn't

1660
01:33:24,360 --> 01:33:26,640
Speaker 2: Make justin herbert a Bad quarterbacks herberts and howl of

1661
01:33:26,680 --> 01:33:30,080
Speaker 2: a quarterback that goes back to that rookie year when

1662
01:33:30,160 --> 01:33:33,240
Speaker 2: he comes in and just to make, the playoffs remember

1663
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:34,520
Speaker 2: the game Against. The RAIDERS.

1664
01:33:37,040 --> 01:33:40,280
Speaker 3: But, I Mean justin herbert could could.

1665
01:33:40,400 --> 01:33:43,160
Speaker 2: Spit, It man he's a great he's got a, great

1666
01:33:43,360 --> 01:33:48,080
Speaker 2: arm all that stuff and how. We crown there needs

1667
01:33:48,160 --> 01:33:53,439
Speaker 2: to be a, new, way too rank to talk. About

1668
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:56,960
Speaker 2: quarterbacks i'm trying to figure it out because it's. Bugging me.

1669
01:33:58,720 --> 01:34:03,840
Speaker 3: The hard part is. You're right the hard part is

1670
01:34:03,960 --> 01:34:10,240
Speaker 3: that the way people consume the, game now so much

1671
01:34:10,280 --> 01:34:13,080
Speaker 3: of it is red zone and so much of it is, box,

1672
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:17,240
Speaker 3: score right and, fantasy football all of. These things so

1673
01:34:18,520 --> 01:34:21,679
Speaker 3: what we do is we decide somebody's great because they're

1674
01:34:21,880 --> 01:34:24,160
Speaker 3: a fantasy quarterback that scores a whole boatload, of points,

1675
01:34:24,720 --> 01:34:26,720
Speaker 3: you know or somebody is great because they make some

1676
01:34:27,120 --> 01:34:29,599
Speaker 3: red zone plays they get, picked up and very little

1677
01:34:29,640 --> 01:34:33,120
Speaker 3: time is actually spent watching full. Games anymore so it's

1678
01:34:33,160 --> 01:34:35,360
Speaker 3: a little LIKE the nba in that sense where you're

1679
01:34:35,400 --> 01:34:37,760
Speaker 3: getting sort of a bastardized version of. What happens so

1680
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:41,719
Speaker 3: now narratives, take over Like The justin herbert is. Overrated narrative,

1681
01:34:41,760 --> 01:34:43,439
Speaker 3: TO me i hear it all the Time because I'm a,

1682
01:34:43,520 --> 01:34:46,840
Speaker 3: raiders fan so, YOU know i listen To fellow raiders

1683
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:48,840
Speaker 3: fans all the time tell Me That justin herbert's not all,

1684
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:52,040
Speaker 3: that great TO WHICH i, i mean my immediate counter to, that, is,

1685
01:34:52,120 --> 01:34:54,200
Speaker 3: okay well if you had the choice for the next,

1686
01:34:54,439 --> 01:34:56,080
Speaker 3: five years if you have the choice this year Of

1687
01:34:56,160 --> 01:34:59,160
Speaker 3: Having justin herbert as your Quarterback Or, gino smith who would.

1688
01:34:59,160 --> 01:35:00,840
Speaker 3: YOU take i think we all know the answer to

1689
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:03,519
Speaker 3: That Is, justin, Herbert right so the fans that are

1690
01:35:03,640 --> 01:35:08,040
Speaker 3: oftentimes Saying That justin herbert is overrated are the same

1691
01:35:08,120 --> 01:35:11,120
Speaker 3: fans that would gladly trade their quarterback straight up, for

1692
01:35:11,240 --> 01:35:12,960
Speaker 3: him you KNOW what. I mean so it's just a

1693
01:35:13,560 --> 01:35:16,280
Speaker 3: it's a weird fan narrative on that because he hasn't.

1694
01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:19,760
Speaker 3: Won anything that's tough. For me i'll always die on

1695
01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:23,720
Speaker 3: the hill that you cannot judge wins and losses by

1696
01:35:23,920 --> 01:35:26,519
Speaker 3: in a team sport. To individuals you you. Just, can't

1697
01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:29,880
Speaker 3: now if one individual consistently melts down all, the time

1698
01:35:29,960 --> 01:35:31,920
Speaker 3: maybe it can be part of the. Nuanced conversation but

1699
01:35:32,680 --> 01:35:35,519
Speaker 3: if you really look at the overall, successful player you

1700
01:35:35,640 --> 01:35:37,920
Speaker 3: have to factor in what they have, around them who,

1701
01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:40,439
Speaker 3: their coaches who their offensive, coordinator is what's the system,

1702
01:35:40,520 --> 01:35:43,760
Speaker 3: look like where their. SKILLS maximized, i mean it's just

1703
01:35:44,240 --> 01:35:47,040
Speaker 3: it's making sweeping GENERALIZATIONS that i don't think you can.

1704
01:35:47,160 --> 01:35:50,400
Speaker 3: Necessarily make like if you have the best chef in,

1705
01:35:50,439 --> 01:35:53,439
Speaker 3: the world but you have the worst, restaurant manager do you?

1706
01:35:53,560 --> 01:35:55,240
Speaker 3: Even know you KNOW what. I mean so it's like

1707
01:35:55,720 --> 01:35:59,040
Speaker 3: we just suddenly applied to, All, sports well how many

1708
01:35:59,120 --> 01:36:01,960
Speaker 3: championships if, you want which is just in my in,

1709
01:36:02,040 --> 01:36:04,880
Speaker 3: my opinion how many championships have? You won is really

1710
01:36:04,920 --> 01:36:07,560
Speaker 3: asinine argument to make to any individual player in a

1711
01:36:07,640 --> 01:36:10,680
Speaker 3: team school in a. Team sports so now it's it's

1712
01:36:10,880 --> 01:36:15,120
Speaker 3: this overriding Well justin herbert's overrated narrative that it just

1713
01:36:15,320 --> 01:36:17,200
Speaker 3: it just doesn't make any sense. To Me justin herbert

1714
01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:19,599
Speaker 3: is in the category of quarterbacks that is very very,

1715
01:36:19,760 --> 01:36:22,240
Speaker 3: very GOOD and i ain't nothing wrong. With, that like

1716
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:24,320
Speaker 3: there are a few quarterbacks that are epic in. The

1717
01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:26,360
Speaker 3: league there are a few quarterbacks that are very very,

1718
01:36:26,520 --> 01:36:28,439
Speaker 3: very good and then there's a bunch of quarterbacks that

1719
01:36:28,479 --> 01:36:30,200
Speaker 3: will win you some games and lose you. Some GAMES

1720
01:36:30,240 --> 01:36:33,639
Speaker 3: and i just trying to trying to rank one above,

1721
01:36:33,680 --> 01:36:35,840
Speaker 3: the other, to me makes way less sense than just

1722
01:36:35,920 --> 01:36:38,559
Speaker 3: turning it into shelves at, a bar like, top shelf,

1723
01:36:38,960 --> 01:36:41,840
Speaker 3: mid shelf. Lower, shelf well, you know like what's going

1724
01:36:41,920 --> 01:36:44,599
Speaker 3: to be your happy? Hour drink like that's that's.

1725
01:36:44,640 --> 01:36:48,599
Speaker 2: More accurate, you're right, the shelf the, Bar life, You're

1726
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:52,960
Speaker 2: right you're that's the way you should. Do it it should. Be,

1727
01:36:53,080 --> 01:36:54,920
Speaker 2: shelves now if.

1728
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:56,760
Speaker 3: You walked in with ten of your buddies into a bar,

1729
01:36:56,880 --> 01:36:59,519
Speaker 3: and said what's the, best vodka you can have this

1730
01:37:00,320 --> 01:37:03,000
Speaker 3: argument between vodka snobs about whether it's this brand or,

1731
01:37:03,080 --> 01:37:05,320
Speaker 3: that brand. Like whiskey, right now it's, The, worst, like

1732
01:37:05,720 --> 01:37:07,960
Speaker 3: well you walk into any bar with the whiskey head

1733
01:37:08,160 --> 01:37:11,760
Speaker 3: and they're looking at the shelf for like fifteen minutes because, they're,

1734
01:37:11,800 --> 01:37:13,280
Speaker 3: LIKE well, i mean do they have this? Or that

1735
01:37:13,400 --> 01:37:15,960
Speaker 3: they're like do they have? Plantings back, they're like that's what, everybody's.

1736
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:18,719
Speaker 3: Doing right at some point we just have to admit

1737
01:37:18,800 --> 01:37:21,760
Speaker 3: that if you're if you're super into, these things, then

1738
01:37:21,880 --> 01:37:25,360
Speaker 3: Lamar Then josh Allen and patrick mahomes like they're on

1739
01:37:25,479 --> 01:37:27,920
Speaker 3: this shelf, over here and we can debate whether Or

1740
01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:30,720
Speaker 3: Not justin herbert belongs on the shelf right, below that

1741
01:37:30,800 --> 01:37:33,160
Speaker 3: Or Is Justin. HERBERT'S tito's i, don't know but like

1742
01:37:33,560 --> 01:37:36,519
Speaker 3: trying to turn it in suddenly That, justin herbert's, You

1743
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:39,560
Speaker 3: Know cherry burnett's doesn't make any. Damn sense He's Not.

1744
01:37:39,720 --> 01:37:46,559
Speaker 2: Cherry Burnett's, it's Titos which cherry is that A Going.

1745
01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:50,280
Speaker 3: Cherry burnettes is. Not, good, No NO but i used

1746
01:37:50,280 --> 01:37:53,200
Speaker 3: to like that like, pop off, you know like if you,

1747
01:37:53,360 --> 01:37:55,840
Speaker 3: if look there's a group of quarterbacks out there that

1748
01:37:55,920 --> 01:37:58,880
Speaker 3: are essentially vodka in a, plastic bottle right like, you

1749
01:37:59,080 --> 01:38:02,000
Speaker 3: know it's it's gonna get the, Job done it's gonna get,

1750
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:04,400
Speaker 3: you droves but it's certainly not gonna, feel good and

1751
01:38:04,400 --> 01:38:06,280
Speaker 3: you're gonna feel terribout and bull about it the. Day

1752
01:38:06,320 --> 01:38:08,599
Speaker 3: after like you might have a, good night you might

1753
01:38:08,680 --> 01:38:11,120
Speaker 3: have a. Terrible night there's a whole bunch of quarterbacks that.

1754
01:38:11,200 --> 01:38:13,280
Speaker 3: Are that BUT like i think there's a there's probably

1755
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:16,720
Speaker 3: a handful of quarterbacks that are Somewhere between Tito's and.

1756
01:38:16,800 --> 01:38:20,080
Speaker 3: Kettle one they're all, they're fine. They're good everybody's happy.

1757
01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:20,320
Speaker 4: With it.

1758
01:38:20,400 --> 01:38:22,880
Speaker 3: You know it just doesn't need to be more complicated. Than, that,

1759
01:38:23,040 --> 01:38:25,320
Speaker 3: Yeah dude i'm.

1760
01:38:25,400 --> 01:38:28,960
Speaker 2: With you i'm with you. All right time to, be bold,

1761
01:38:29,479 --> 01:38:34,880
Speaker 2: All RIGHT and i want. Five thoughts we'll go back

1762
01:38:34,920 --> 01:38:38,400
Speaker 2: and forth on them for the upcoming season because we've

1763
01:38:38,400 --> 01:38:41,160
Speaker 2: got to fit IN. Our NFL so i want, you

1764
01:38:41,280 --> 01:38:44,920
Speaker 2: to off the top of, your head, right down five

1765
01:38:46,240 --> 01:38:53,160
Speaker 2: bold thoughts ON the. Nfl, season, LIKE honestly, i mean

1766
01:38:54,120 --> 01:38:57,840
Speaker 2: how Are? The LIONS and i. LOVE that i think

1767
01:38:57,880 --> 01:39:02,120
Speaker 2: they got screwed last year by injury. Tough Luck but

1768
01:39:02,240 --> 01:39:07,400
Speaker 2: i'm worried About the Lions losing Frank. RAG now i

1769
01:39:07,560 --> 01:39:10,000
Speaker 2: think it is a. Huge one you got the two

1770
01:39:10,120 --> 01:39:14,920
Speaker 2: coordinators And, rag now that's a lot. To OVERCOME so

1771
01:39:15,200 --> 01:39:18,800
Speaker 2: i want five thoughts. From you, All right, i'm ready,

1772
01:39:19,240 --> 01:39:21,920
Speaker 2: all right where the fella is hanging Right Here Fox. Sports,

1773
01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:29,360
Speaker 2: Radio fellas Jason Fitz anthony garganto hanging out with you

1774
01:39:29,560 --> 01:39:35,840
Speaker 2: guys every week right Here On Fox. Sports radio so

1775
01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:38,760
Speaker 2: we're counting down TO the nfl because you know we'll

1776
01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:41,320
Speaker 2: get back to. The finals we started with. The finals

1777
01:39:41,360 --> 01:39:43,880
Speaker 2: first two hours of the show predominantly done On, THE

1778
01:39:44,439 --> 01:39:47,200
Speaker 2: patriots okc AND, the nba which is a lot. Of

1779
01:39:47,240 --> 01:39:50,599
Speaker 2: fun and, then uh we'll Get to we'll go back

1780
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:53,879
Speaker 2: to that. Next Hour but i'm gonna talk some. Football,

1781
01:39:53,960 --> 01:39:58,639
Speaker 2: MAN uh i gave. YOU five i want your. Five

1782
01:39:59,040 --> 01:40:04,320
Speaker 2: thoughts knowing it gets, around teams gets. Around players like

1783
01:40:04,640 --> 01:40:08,040
Speaker 2: one of the examples Is that i'm really concerned About,

1784
01:40:08,080 --> 01:40:11,160
Speaker 2: the LIONS and i to SHAME because i Think the

1785
01:40:11,320 --> 01:40:15,880
Speaker 2: lions got screwed last year because of their health and

1786
01:40:16,479 --> 01:40:19,439
Speaker 2: like they should have been in the IN The nfc

1787
01:40:19,560 --> 01:40:22,120
Speaker 2: championship game Against. The eagles it would have been fun,

1788
01:40:22,160 --> 01:40:25,720
Speaker 2: to see and, you know injuries rob them. Of that

1789
01:40:25,960 --> 01:40:30,880
Speaker 2: so give me your thought, Number. One fitzie i'll.

1790
01:40:30,760 --> 01:40:33,679
Speaker 3: Stick there for. A second because you Mentioned, THE lions

1791
01:40:34,000 --> 01:40:39,920
Speaker 3: i would argue that THE Entire nfc north while still

1792
01:40:40,160 --> 01:40:44,120
Speaker 3: going to be, VERY good i. GET it i don't

1793
01:40:44,200 --> 01:40:46,720
Speaker 3: THINK The nfc north has a draw that makes me

1794
01:40:46,840 --> 01:40:49,760
Speaker 3: feel great. About it and there's a good yeah but

1795
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:53,080
Speaker 3: for every one of, these TEAMS because i would look

1796
01:40:53,080 --> 01:40:56,240
Speaker 3: At the lions, and, say, okay yeah but you lost

1797
01:40:56,360 --> 01:40:59,160
Speaker 3: ragnow and now you've lost two fists of your. Offensive

1798
01:40:59,200 --> 01:41:03,040
Speaker 3: line you're replacing both coordinators like whatever, that means and

1799
01:41:03,120 --> 01:41:05,519
Speaker 3: a bunch of. Position coaches so there's a lot of.

1800
01:41:05,600 --> 01:41:08,439
Speaker 3: THINGS there i think the yeah butt Of the vikings

1801
01:41:08,439 --> 01:41:10,960
Speaker 3: where we're just PRESUMING that jj McCarthy steps in and,

1802
01:41:11,120 --> 01:41:14,280
Speaker 3: is great even though you know he didn't play it all.

1803
01:41:14,320 --> 01:41:16,960
Speaker 3: Last year he's essentially. A rookie he lost a lot

1804
01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:19,479
Speaker 3: of weight after. The procedure they're not sure what any

1805
01:41:19,520 --> 01:41:21,000
Speaker 3: of that's going to look like on his knee that

1806
01:41:21,040 --> 01:41:23,320
Speaker 3: he had two. Procedures ON so i think that's a

1807
01:41:23,439 --> 01:41:27,439
Speaker 3: pretty reasonable reason to be concerned if you keep going

1808
01:41:27,560 --> 01:41:30,960
Speaker 3: through the rest of. The, division chicago we're just presuming

1809
01:41:31,000 --> 01:41:33,280
Speaker 3: everything works Out With, ben johnson first time. Head coach

1810
01:41:33,400 --> 01:41:35,640
Speaker 3: that's not always. The CASE like, I look i think

1811
01:41:35,680 --> 01:41:37,479
Speaker 3: he's a home. Run higher we all think he's a home.

1812
01:41:37,560 --> 01:41:41,600
Speaker 3: Run higher But. MY god, i mean there's enough variables

1813
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:45,880
Speaker 3: with that alone that it makes me a little uncomfortable With,

1814
01:41:45,960 --> 01:41:48,920
Speaker 3: where chicago even though they're, a hot hot team in,

1815
01:41:48,960 --> 01:41:51,320
Speaker 3: everybody's mind they were a hot team. Last year and

1816
01:41:51,400 --> 01:41:53,800
Speaker 3: if You're, the packers, YOU know, i mean there was

1817
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:55,640
Speaker 3: some up and down last Year With, jordan LOVE and

1818
01:41:56,000 --> 01:41:58,560
Speaker 3: i Think the packers are probably the most stable of

1819
01:41:58,640 --> 01:42:00,519
Speaker 3: all of the teams IN. The, NFC no i just

1820
01:42:00,960 --> 01:42:04,040
Speaker 3: this presumption they have three teams win more than. Eleven

1821
01:42:04,120 --> 01:42:06,439
Speaker 3: Games the packers, won eleven and then you Know the,

1822
01:42:06,520 --> 01:42:10,320
Speaker 3: Minnesota fourteen. DETROIT fifteen i think this whole division could

1823
01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:11,960
Speaker 3: be in for a. Step back and it doesn't mean

1824
01:42:11,960 --> 01:42:14,120
Speaker 3: they're not. Very good it's just when you have to

1825
01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:16,200
Speaker 3: figure these. THINGS out i just wouldn't be surprised To

1826
01:42:16,200 --> 01:42:19,439
Speaker 3: See detroit minnesota following the ten eleven win Category green

1827
01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:22,320
Speaker 3: bay ten. Eleven wins that's a much different view on

1828
01:42:22,400 --> 01:42:25,840
Speaker 3: where this. Division, is then let's say a lot of

1829
01:42:25,840 --> 01:42:28,800
Speaker 3: people have. It now i'm CONCERNED The nfc north there

1830
01:42:28,880 --> 01:42:30,280
Speaker 3: is not as dominant as people want it.

1831
01:42:30,360 --> 01:42:34,920
Speaker 2: To. BE yeah i think it's a, great point and

1832
01:42:35,040 --> 01:42:37,160
Speaker 2: it's interesting because when you look, at it, you're right

1833
01:42:37,400 --> 01:42:41,719
Speaker 2: everybody's got. The flaw they all had the. MAJOR flaw,

1834
01:42:43,160 --> 01:42:45,599
Speaker 2: i mean, We'll see like, you, know again McCarthy could

1835
01:42:45,640 --> 01:42:50,200
Speaker 2: be great and that takes care of. That flaw and

1836
01:42:51,200 --> 01:42:53,160
Speaker 2: you keep going down, the list and you go, all

1837
01:42:53,200 --> 01:42:56,160
Speaker 2: RIGHT because i agree. With you, you know everybody takes you.

1838
01:42:56,200 --> 01:42:58,920
Speaker 2: For Granted ben johnson's a home. Run higher. We'll see

1839
01:43:00,280 --> 01:43:01,640
Speaker 2: and because you got a lot of work to Do

1840
01:43:01,720 --> 01:43:08,840
Speaker 2: with caleb and, You, know packers they could be.

1841
01:43:08,920 --> 01:43:09,639
Speaker 3: Really good.

1842
01:43:12,280 --> 01:43:15,439
Speaker 2: There's A chance minnesota. Same THING and i just don't.

1843
01:43:15,479 --> 01:43:19,880
Speaker 2: Know how One of detroit's great gifts of last year

1844
01:43:21,280 --> 01:43:23,920
Speaker 2: WAS their. O line i thought they And the eagles

1845
01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:27,320
Speaker 2: had THE best o line IN, the nfc and that that,

1846
01:43:27,640 --> 01:43:33,360
Speaker 2: run game it. Makes GoF GoF. Can't win if he's

1847
01:43:33,439 --> 01:43:35,479
Speaker 2: under the, rest constantly he. Can't, Win.

1848
01:43:37,960 --> 01:43:40,720
Speaker 3: YEAH and I think i'm willing to die on the

1849
01:43:40,800 --> 01:43:45,320
Speaker 3: hill of replacing important offensive line pieces is something that

1850
01:43:45,479 --> 01:43:47,640
Speaker 3: you shouldn't take. FOR granted I know i said the

1851
01:43:47,760 --> 01:43:50,160
Speaker 3: same thing a year ago right now About, the eagles

1852
01:43:50,200 --> 01:43:52,360
Speaker 3: and that was a big concern. FOR me i will

1853
01:43:52,640 --> 01:43:55,960
Speaker 3: show that math and present that math every, single time

1854
01:43:56,000 --> 01:43:59,200
Speaker 3: even if my answer. Is wrong the math, of man

1855
01:43:59,560 --> 01:44:02,560
Speaker 3: there's some change of the offensive line is significant, To

1856
01:44:02,680 --> 01:44:06,800
Speaker 3: ME so I will i will stand by that take,

1857
01:44:06,880 --> 01:44:09,479
Speaker 3: all day, every day and that means things get a.

1858
01:44:09,520 --> 01:44:12,599
Speaker 3: Little complicated it's just all the way across, the BOARD

1859
01:44:12,720 --> 01:44:14,920
Speaker 3: The nfc north has a chance to be a lot

1860
01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:16,560
Speaker 3: more COMPLICATED than i think people want to.

1861
01:44:16,600 --> 01:44:20,599
Speaker 2: Make, it, YEAH yeah i. Like it, it's good. All

1862
01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:22,000
Speaker 2: right thought. Number, two.

1863
01:44:24,439 --> 01:44:29,280
Speaker 3: Uh The washington commanders are going to take a step,

1864
01:44:29,439 --> 01:44:31,360
Speaker 3: Back also and it doesn't mean that they're not. Very

1865
01:44:31,439 --> 01:44:35,920
Speaker 3: good IT'S just i don't think you can replicate some

1866
01:44:36,160 --> 01:44:39,720
Speaker 3: of the way that all, went, Down, right like so

1867
01:44:40,000 --> 01:44:42,160
Speaker 3: if you if you look at some of the. Weird

1868
01:44:42,240 --> 01:44:44,200
Speaker 3: ANALYTICS so i pulled it back up here to MAKE

1869
01:44:44,240 --> 01:44:48,080
Speaker 3: sure i don't get this. Right Wrong the commanders converted

1870
01:44:48,240 --> 01:44:51,639
Speaker 3: eighty seven percent of their, fourth downs which is an, alarming,

1871
01:44:51,840 --> 01:44:55,280
Speaker 3: rate right and twenty three point seven percent of their

1872
01:44:55,320 --> 01:44:58,439
Speaker 3: points were scored. On drives it included a successful fourth.

1873
01:44:58,479 --> 01:45:02,479
Speaker 3: Down conversion that's the fifth highest percentage. This CENTURY so

1874
01:45:03,200 --> 01:45:06,160
Speaker 3: i think when it's just a Reminder that washington was

1875
01:45:06,240 --> 01:45:09,360
Speaker 3: nine and four last year in one, score, games man

1876
01:45:09,880 --> 01:45:12,680
Speaker 3: that's tough. To replicate they played so far ahead of

1877
01:45:12,680 --> 01:45:15,759
Speaker 3: their Skis Because jaden daniels is HIM and i respect

1878
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:19,280
Speaker 3: the hell out. Of that, BUT man, i look Even

1879
01:45:19,280 --> 01:45:21,840
Speaker 3: if washington only wins ten Games like washington feels to

1880
01:45:21,880 --> 01:45:24,120
Speaker 3: me a little bit like where we Were, with houston where, it,

1881
01:45:24,240 --> 01:45:26,400
Speaker 3: Was man houston's about to take this, Next leap they're

1882
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:28,760
Speaker 3: gonna be in the same category As, the chiefs and

1883
01:45:28,880 --> 01:45:30,840
Speaker 3: it turned out that that didn't happen. LAST year i

1884
01:45:30,920 --> 01:45:33,720
Speaker 3: Think the commanders are still a playoff, football TEAM but

1885
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:36,439
Speaker 3: i think anointing them too quickly to be able to

1886
01:45:36,560 --> 01:45:38,800
Speaker 3: run it back the way they did last year. Forgets it.

1887
01:45:38,920 --> 01:45:41,120
Speaker 3: Last year better to be lucky, than good but this

1888
01:45:41,280 --> 01:45:44,720
Speaker 3: team also had the, fifth heaviest fifth. Healthiest team we

1889
01:45:44,840 --> 01:45:47,320
Speaker 3: need to look at, GAMES loss i mean across. THE

1890
01:45:47,400 --> 01:45:49,960
Speaker 3: board a lot of things broke right For the commanders,

1891
01:45:50,080 --> 01:45:52,479
Speaker 3: last YEAR and i don't know that you can count

1892
01:45:52,560 --> 01:45:53,000
Speaker 3: on that again.

1893
01:45:53,080 --> 01:45:54,920
Speaker 2: This YEAR so i think they take a small. STEP

1894
01:45:55,000 --> 01:46:01,040
Speaker 2: back i think it's. Fair now i'm A huge. DANIELS

1895
01:46:01,120 --> 01:46:08,400
Speaker 2: like i Don't think daniels is. STROUD like i don't

1896
01:46:08,439 --> 01:46:12,439
Speaker 2: think see we still see a struggle, let YEAR which

1897
01:46:12,439 --> 01:46:15,840
Speaker 2: i think was due to his. OLD line I think

1898
01:46:15,960 --> 01:46:21,479
Speaker 2: washington's old line is, pretty intact. PRETTY good i don't

1899
01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:24,519
Speaker 2: think he struggles now you're right, about like, you know

1900
01:46:24,680 --> 01:46:28,400
Speaker 2: when the, game hit the one dude get Against, the bears,

1901
01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:31,560
Speaker 2: you know jaring with the fans and the, whole thing and,

1902
01:46:32,840 --> 01:46:34,880
Speaker 2: you know so there has to be some sort. Of

1903
01:46:35,000 --> 01:46:40,360
Speaker 2: REGRESSION but, I mean i. DON'T know i think they're still.

1904
01:46:40,400 --> 01:46:44,040
Speaker 3: Pretty, GOOD no i definitely think they're still. PRETTY good

1905
01:46:44,240 --> 01:46:47,080
Speaker 3: i know you're, saying, that, yeah, yeah, Yeah NO and

1906
01:46:47,760 --> 01:46:49,240
Speaker 3: i do want to be clear on that because it

1907
01:46:49,320 --> 01:46:51,320
Speaker 3: Feels like i'm being a Hater and i'm. TRULY not

1908
01:46:52,040 --> 01:46:55,000
Speaker 3: i just, you know it feels like the hype train

1909
01:46:55,160 --> 01:46:59,439
Speaker 3: is is asking still yet even more work to be

1910
01:46:59,560 --> 01:47:02,640
Speaker 3: Done by Jade, and daniels and he's certainly capable. Of it,

1911
01:47:02,720 --> 01:47:05,760
Speaker 3: BUT man i. DON'T know I just i think this

1912
01:47:05,880 --> 01:47:08,479
Speaker 3: skuy isn't falling if they turn out to be also

1913
01:47:08,640 --> 01:47:10,760
Speaker 3: a ten win team. This year but it may feel

1914
01:47:10,800 --> 01:47:12,800
Speaker 3: like this sky is falling when you go through.

1915
01:47:12,840 --> 01:47:17,439
Speaker 2: That process so we all agree that there's a possibility. Of,

1916
01:47:18,360 --> 01:47:24,599
Speaker 2: regression yeah because the fact that they get new guy

1917
01:47:24,800 --> 01:47:30,599
Speaker 2: like You, got tonsol You, got debo you Get, Her,

1918
01:47:30,800 --> 01:47:35,760
Speaker 2: big like is there a way does? That alone, you

1919
01:47:35,840 --> 01:47:37,720
Speaker 2: know does that how what does that do to?

1920
01:47:37,840 --> 01:47:42,200
Speaker 3: THE formula, I MEAN tunsol i think is probably. PRETTY

1921
01:47:42,240 --> 01:47:44,120
Speaker 3: significant i, Don't. KNOW deebo i don't know if you've

1922
01:47:44,120 --> 01:47:46,240
Speaker 3: seen the videos on. Social Media and i'm certainly not

1923
01:47:46,360 --> 01:47:50,559
Speaker 3: here to to pick apart social media uh social media,

1924
01:47:50,680 --> 01:47:55,200
Speaker 3: practice videos but it was pretty jarring To see, deebo look,

1925
01:47:55,840 --> 01:47:58,240
Speaker 3: you know maybe looked a little thick and a little

1926
01:47:58,280 --> 01:48:00,519
Speaker 3: slow on some of, that STUFF AND i i just

1927
01:48:00,640 --> 01:48:03,519
Speaker 3: looked at, That, THOUGHT man i don't know it's gonna.

1928
01:48:03,560 --> 01:48:05,640
Speaker 3: BE interesting I just i want to. SEE it i

1929
01:48:05,800 --> 01:48:07,880
Speaker 3: just want to, see it, you know me and my

1930
01:48:08,080 --> 01:48:11,040
Speaker 3: my stupid proof, OF concept, i like, give me, give

1931
01:48:11,080 --> 01:48:12,840
Speaker 3: me just give me the first month of the season

1932
01:48:12,920 --> 01:48:15,839
Speaker 3: to fall in Love with. Washington again until, THAT happens

1933
01:48:15,960 --> 01:48:17,960
Speaker 3: i just WANT to i want to press pause on

1934
01:48:18,040 --> 01:48:18,120
Speaker 3: it a.

1935
01:48:18,160 --> 01:48:21,439
Speaker 2: Little, bit, yeah, YEAH listen i think. IT'S fair. I

1936
01:48:21,560 --> 01:48:25,200
Speaker 2: do i don't read. IN that i can't Read into

1937
01:48:26,560 --> 01:48:31,680
Speaker 2: june mini camps on what a player's yeah you KNOW what. I,

1938
01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:35,280
Speaker 2: MEAN yeah, I mean i. Don't know i'm not saying

1939
01:48:35,280 --> 01:48:37,200
Speaker 2: that their offense is going, to be, you, know INCREDIBLE

1940
01:48:37,240 --> 01:48:40,760
Speaker 2: but I mean. I'm not i'm listening, to that. All right.

1941
01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:43,000
Speaker 2: NUMBER three.

1942
01:48:44,439 --> 01:48:46,639
Speaker 3: I know i've said this to, you before but big

1943
01:48:46,720 --> 01:48:49,160
Speaker 3: thought Here the steelers will start fast and then fall

1944
01:48:49,240 --> 01:48:49,640
Speaker 3: apart at.

1945
01:48:49,680 --> 01:48:51,439
Speaker 2: The END SO i i.

1946
01:48:51,560 --> 01:48:54,439
Speaker 3: Do believe i'm going to continue to. SAY this i

1947
01:48:54,520 --> 01:48:57,280
Speaker 3: believe this will become the first losing Season. FOR tomlin

1948
01:48:57,960 --> 01:49:02,000
Speaker 3: I don't i Don't Trust. AARON rodgers i think when

1949
01:49:02,040 --> 01:49:04,760
Speaker 3: you look at the, Numbers Again, frank, swabat yeah who

1950
01:49:04,760 --> 01:49:08,120
Speaker 3: always says if you're looking at quarterbacks that have THROWN

1951
01:49:08,600 --> 01:49:10,599
Speaker 3: for x amount of yards and had a quarterback rating,

1952
01:49:10,680 --> 01:49:13,599
Speaker 3: over whatever. Seventy six he espoused us all. The time

1953
01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:16,880
Speaker 3: the only name that's done It is brady over and

1954
01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:18,320
Speaker 3: over and over and over and. Over again and we

1955
01:49:18,479 --> 01:49:21,240
Speaker 3: use the far Season in minnesota as the great comp, of,

1956
01:49:21,360 --> 01:49:23,400
Speaker 3: like yeah this could. BE that i just think you're

1957
01:49:23,439 --> 01:49:26,559
Speaker 3: asking to pay your mortgage with scratch off. LOTTERY tickets

1958
01:49:26,560 --> 01:49:28,560
Speaker 3: i don't think. It'll happen the beginning of the. Schedules

1959
01:49:28,680 --> 01:49:31,160
Speaker 3: soft the back end of the schedule is. REALLY tough

1960
01:49:31,240 --> 01:49:33,840
Speaker 3: i Think the steelers, start hot everybody buys in, too

1961
01:49:33,960 --> 01:49:37,759
Speaker 3: much then they, fall apart and so Unfortunately for, STEELERS

1962
01:49:37,840 --> 01:49:40,920
Speaker 3: fans i think this is finally the moment that the

1963
01:49:41,040 --> 01:49:44,519
Speaker 3: rubber meets the road on a, disappointing season, because frankly

1964
01:49:44,560 --> 01:49:46,960
Speaker 3: it's hard not to be disappointed when you have a name.

1965
01:49:47,040 --> 01:49:48,479
Speaker 3: You like but this kind of goes back TO our,

1966
01:49:48,560 --> 01:49:52,720
Speaker 3: nba conversation like that name doesn't necessarily equate to what

1967
01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:53,720
Speaker 3: everybody thinks it does.

1968
01:49:53,800 --> 01:49:58,719
Speaker 2: To, me, YEAH yeah i. HEAR you I mean i'm, Rooting,

1969
01:49:59,040 --> 01:50:02,840
Speaker 2: Otherwise like i'd love to see that story, Be real

1970
01:50:03,680 --> 01:50:06,639
Speaker 2: but last week we went over. THE schedule i don't

1971
01:50:06,680 --> 01:50:10,440
Speaker 2: see how in the world it can. Be real that. Schedule's.

1972
01:50:10,560 --> 01:50:15,240
Speaker 2: BRUTAL yeah i was trying to get to whatever, it

1973
01:50:15,400 --> 01:50:20,000
Speaker 2: was NINE and i couldn't get. To nine that's why

1974
01:50:20,000 --> 01:50:21,679
Speaker 2: YOU should i would you have it six? Or? Seven?

1975
01:50:22,520 --> 01:50:23,519
Speaker 2: Seven yuh?

1976
01:50:23,720 --> 01:50:26,000
Speaker 3: OR no I think i might've got seven OR eight.

1977
01:50:26,080 --> 01:50:28,360
Speaker 3: I think, but yeah they'll be right on the edge and,

1978
01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:31,599
Speaker 3: LOOKS again i don't think that means this. GUY'S falling

1979
01:50:31,680 --> 01:50:35,479
Speaker 3: i won't be yelling and screaming about any of that when,

1980
01:50:35,520 --> 01:50:37,960
Speaker 3: it happens if, it happens because you know that was

1981
01:50:38,040 --> 01:50:38,280
Speaker 3: sort of.

1982
01:50:38,320 --> 01:50:42,639
Speaker 2: My, Expectation, Yeah no i'm, with you, all right let's

1983
01:50:42,640 --> 01:50:47,519
Speaker 2: say quick to we'll come. Right back we get thoughts

1984
01:50:47,760 --> 01:50:57,280
Speaker 2: four and five and Also fiftieth Adversary, of jaws like

1985
01:50:57,360 --> 01:51:01,000
Speaker 2: the REASON why i Brought up summer vacation Was had

1986
01:51:01,160 --> 01:51:03,080
Speaker 2: jaws on. The brain i've read a big piece. About

1987
01:51:03,120 --> 01:51:06,040
Speaker 2: it it's going back into the theaters and it's a

1988
01:51:06,160 --> 01:51:11,080
Speaker 2: movie that has lasted fifty years and had a dramatic impact.

1989
01:51:11,160 --> 01:51:16,000
Speaker 2: On society where the fellas right Here On fox sports

1990
01:51:16,240 --> 01:51:23,320
Speaker 2: ready pretty, well right those notes live on fifty Years

1991
01:51:24,880 --> 01:51:29,639
Speaker 2: Fellas Jason Fitz. Anthony gargano and for over, forty years

1992
01:51:29,800 --> 01:51:34,639
Speaker 2: The ti iraq has been helping customers find the right

1993
01:51:34,840 --> 01:51:38,479
Speaker 2: tires for how lot and where, they drive ship fast

1994
01:51:38,520 --> 01:51:43,000
Speaker 2: and free back by free road, hazard protection with convenient

1995
01:51:43,080 --> 01:51:48,880
Speaker 2: installation options like mobile tire installation tire Iraq. Dot com

1996
01:51:48,960 --> 01:51:52,920
Speaker 2: the way tire buying. Should be now here's The tire

1997
01:51:53,120 --> 01:51:54,720
Speaker 2: raq play of.

1998
01:51:54,840 --> 01:51:56,240
Speaker 1: The day swung.

1999
01:51:56,360 --> 01:51:57,360
Speaker 3: On crust what.

2000
01:51:57,640 --> 01:52:02,320
Speaker 8: Field this is on its way is gone out of.

2001
01:52:02,400 --> 01:52:07,599
Speaker 8: The Ballpark cal rally has. Done it he stands alone

2002
01:52:08,160 --> 01:52:11,439
Speaker 8: the most first half home runs for a catcher in.

2003
01:52:11,640 --> 01:52:17,640
Speaker 2: Baseball History That's marriners radio talking About, cal rowley who

2004
01:52:17,800 --> 01:52:21,000
Speaker 2: just does not can't get. Him. Out man it just

2005
01:52:21,080 --> 01:52:25,360
Speaker 2: got all kinds of pop. Once again two home. Runs

2006
01:52:25,400 --> 01:52:31,840
Speaker 2: yesterday but we played. My boy you gotta. Love it,

2007
01:52:32,000 --> 01:52:37,600
Speaker 2: are great great, Production Team mighty Mark and ian In

2008
01:52:37,760 --> 01:52:44,280
Speaker 2: for brianna Played. The jaws it's amazing how, that movie

2009
01:52:45,080 --> 01:52:49,120
Speaker 2: just fifty years, of it it's, still relevant still.

2010
01:52:49,200 --> 01:52:52,880
Speaker 3: WORKS today i saw someone tweet and by by, the

2011
01:52:52,920 --> 01:52:55,960
Speaker 3: way he Played That, john williams the composer That. Wrote Jaws,

2012
01:52:56,040 --> 01:52:58,080
Speaker 3: john williams for anyone that doesn't who also Wrote Like

2013
01:52:58,400 --> 01:53:02,519
Speaker 3: star Wars, and superman, et like he'll go down as

2014
01:53:02,840 --> 01:53:06,760
Speaker 3: the greatest movie composer of. All time and, you know

2015
01:53:06,960 --> 01:53:10,040
Speaker 3: one of the Great honors i've ever had is getting to.

2016
01:53:10,200 --> 01:53:12,600
Speaker 3: Hang out and he conducted SOMETHING that i wrote a

2017
01:53:12,680 --> 01:53:15,560
Speaker 3: long TIME or i orchestrated a long. Time ago but

2018
01:53:15,760 --> 01:53:18,160
Speaker 3: he also stole. THAT theme i will tell any classical

2019
01:53:18,320 --> 01:53:20,519
Speaker 3: like the classical music nerd go back and Listen Is

2020
01:53:20,600 --> 01:53:23,960
Speaker 3: Divorzac's New World symphony symphony starts with the same. Dud

2021
01:53:24,479 --> 01:53:26,559
Speaker 3: dud it's. In there so, You know i'm Just Saying

2022
01:53:26,600 --> 01:53:30,479
Speaker 3: john williams. Stole IT but i saw someone tweet the. Other, day,

2023
01:53:30,960 --> 01:53:33,759
Speaker 3: yeah well, YOU know, i borrowed, let's. Say borrowed nothing's original,

2024
01:53:33,800 --> 01:53:36,519
Speaker 3: in music so. Borrowed IT but i saw someone tweet

2025
01:53:36,520 --> 01:53:39,519
Speaker 3: the other Day that jaws might be the most influential movie.

2026
01:53:39,640 --> 01:53:43,679
Speaker 3: Ever MADE and i laughed, at first AND then i thought.

2027
01:53:43,680 --> 01:53:45,680
Speaker 3: ABOUT it i, was like, you know that might, be

2028
01:53:45,840 --> 01:53:47,400
Speaker 3: right and the point it might Have Been klay travis

2029
01:53:47,479 --> 01:53:50,200
Speaker 3: that tweeted. It out but the point is every single

2030
01:53:50,320 --> 01:53:53,160
Speaker 3: person that ever gets in the water Thinks. The jaws

2031
01:53:53,400 --> 01:53:57,160
Speaker 3: like it's kind of crazy that that one movie created

2032
01:53:57,280 --> 01:54:01,439
Speaker 3: this storm of you just the concept of him on

2033
01:54:01,520 --> 01:54:03,040
Speaker 3: the Beach and i'm not Safe because i'm in, the

2034
01:54:03,120 --> 01:54:04,200
Speaker 3: ocean all from that one.

2035
01:54:04,840 --> 01:54:09,640
Speaker 2: ICONIC movie i know went back and. REWATCHED it i

2036
01:54:09,720 --> 01:54:14,240
Speaker 2: do A film tv segment on my show and with

2037
01:54:14,360 --> 01:54:18,439
Speaker 2: a guy who is really great, at it and he's

2038
01:54:18,520 --> 01:54:21,439
Speaker 2: in the entertainment industry and the, whole thing and SO

2039
01:54:21,720 --> 01:54:23,920
Speaker 2: when i watched it for him to just go back,

2040
01:54:24,000 --> 01:54:26,960
Speaker 2: And see i'm seen it a, thousand times but paying

2041
01:54:27,000 --> 01:54:30,160
Speaker 2: attention to the. Little things and, YOU know, i mean

2042
01:54:30,240 --> 01:54:34,040
Speaker 2: the speech is still the greatest scene ever where he

2043
01:54:34,160 --> 01:54:38,840
Speaker 2: talks ABOUT The uss indianapolis is still. The greatest and,

2044
01:54:39,920 --> 01:54:44,280
Speaker 2: you know a chief eleven hundred meno in, the water

2045
01:54:44,840 --> 01:54:47,600
Speaker 2: sixty seven, come out, you know like that. Whole thing

2046
01:54:48,880 --> 01:54:52,280
Speaker 2: He's from cleveland. Baseball player, you know like you just look.

2047
01:54:52,320 --> 01:54:56,200
Speaker 2: At it you watch. That scene it's gripping and the

2048
01:54:56,320 --> 01:54:59,440
Speaker 2: character development of the whole movie. Is ridiculous it's.

2049
01:54:59,480 --> 01:55:03,920
Speaker 3: So good it's also crazy to me to have something

2050
01:55:05,440 --> 01:55:09,640
Speaker 3: live fifty years, In cinema like when you think about

2051
01:55:09,840 --> 01:55:14,040
Speaker 3: it was released in nineteen, seventy five which means its

2052
01:55:14,440 --> 01:55:16,320
Speaker 3: comp would have been, that year would have been a

2053
01:55:16,360 --> 01:55:18,880
Speaker 3: movie that was made in nineteen, twenty, five right like

2054
01:55:19,080 --> 01:55:21,560
Speaker 3: you think about what was fifty when it, came out

2055
01:55:21,680 --> 01:55:24,720
Speaker 3: and when you start to do the, math backwards it

2056
01:55:24,920 --> 01:55:29,240
Speaker 3: really it's so hard to make. Something timeless it's so

2057
01:55:29,400 --> 01:55:33,480
Speaker 3: hard to make something that still holds up and it still,

2058
01:55:33,560 --> 01:55:38,120
Speaker 3: has relevance and that movie has relevance to people of,

2059
01:55:38,200 --> 01:55:41,040
Speaker 3: all generations like the fact that they did the signature

2060
01:55:41,040 --> 01:55:43,720
Speaker 3: popcorn buckets, for it and, you know all these things

2061
01:55:43,760 --> 01:55:47,040
Speaker 3: as they put it back, in theaters and it's just

2062
01:55:47,440 --> 01:55:51,880
Speaker 3: amazing to me to make something fifty years ago when technology,

2063
01:55:52,000 --> 01:55:55,520
Speaker 3: was different pace of storytelling, was different the way things

2064
01:55:55,600 --> 01:55:58,600
Speaker 3: were shot and told, was different and to still have

2065
01:55:58,760 --> 01:56:02,280
Speaker 3: it resonate. With people we have people culturally understand and

2066
01:56:02,400 --> 01:56:05,760
Speaker 3: know what it. Is like that's tougher and tougher to

2067
01:56:05,880 --> 01:56:08,840
Speaker 3: do even now than it. Was then but, my god

2068
01:56:08,960 --> 01:56:11,000
Speaker 3: that's the biggest tip of the cap, to me because

2069
01:56:11,480 --> 01:56:15,480
Speaker 3: it's so hard to make something that, you know you

2070
01:56:15,600 --> 01:56:18,040
Speaker 3: Can say jaws and it doesn't matter if you're eight.

2071
01:56:18,320 --> 01:56:21,120
Speaker 3: Or eighty you know what. It's about, you know the

2072
01:56:21,480 --> 01:56:25,280
Speaker 3: base of, the storyline like it has some impact that's

2073
01:56:25,440 --> 01:56:28,000
Speaker 3: so impossible to do that you have to.

2074
01:56:28,080 --> 01:56:32,560
Speaker 2: Celebrate, that no and, you know the iconic movie poster

2075
01:56:33,560 --> 01:56:37,520
Speaker 2: is still, the greatest right with the shark coming up

2076
01:56:37,800 --> 01:56:42,080
Speaker 2: the in. THE swimmer, i mean it's, so perfect it's

2077
01:56:42,360 --> 01:56:45,480
Speaker 2: everything about it is just A great it's, just, great

2078
01:56:46,080 --> 01:56:49,760
Speaker 2: great a. Great movie and it was the first one

2079
01:56:49,880 --> 01:56:55,720
Speaker 2: hundred million dollar. Summer blockbuster it really ushered in the summer.

2080
01:56:55,840 --> 01:56:59,520
Speaker 2: Movie blockbuster. THAT'S wild i mean that.

2081
01:56:59,800 --> 01:57:03,800
Speaker 3: Is truly, you know to go from that time where

2082
01:57:04,040 --> 01:57:06,520
Speaker 3: that was such a new concept to now where theaters

2083
01:57:06,520 --> 01:57:08,680
Speaker 3: are desperately trying to find ways to get people back

2084
01:57:08,760 --> 01:57:13,600
Speaker 3: in and, it's deep. Deep conversation but it's so hard

2085
01:57:13,680 --> 01:57:16,080
Speaker 3: to create that sort of a cultural, phenomenon that like

2086
01:57:16,120 --> 01:57:18,320
Speaker 3: You and i've talked before about the fact that it's

2087
01:57:18,360 --> 01:57:21,960
Speaker 3: hard to create water, cooler moments, you know and now

2088
01:57:22,360 --> 01:57:25,000
Speaker 3: hell that most places don't even have, Water coolers but

2089
01:57:25,160 --> 01:57:28,360
Speaker 3: like those cultural moments like the Finale of cheers where,

2090
01:57:28,760 --> 01:57:31,160
Speaker 3: you know the, next day everybody's talking. About it, you know,

2091
01:57:32,240 --> 01:57:36,160
Speaker 3: for me my, my Age, like Friends when friends were a,

2092
01:57:36,320 --> 01:57:39,560
Speaker 3: cultural phenomenon everybody sat down And watched Friends on. Thursday

2093
01:57:39,640 --> 01:57:43,200
Speaker 3: night and, you know to think that that is so

2094
01:57:43,640 --> 01:57:47,640
Speaker 3: impossible now to create it's a shame because you, KNOW

2095
01:57:47,960 --> 01:57:50,600
Speaker 3: that i don't know how you could even create something

2096
01:57:50,720 --> 01:57:54,680
Speaker 3: today that would matter as much and last as long

2097
01:57:55,360 --> 01:57:57,480
Speaker 3: and have the Impact that, jaws had like to be

2098
01:57:57,960 --> 01:58:02,680
Speaker 3: one hundred million dollar movie fifty. Years ago it was such,

2099
01:58:02,760 --> 01:58:05,760
Speaker 3: a standout oh my. GOD moment i can't even think

2100
01:58:05,800 --> 01:58:08,280
Speaker 3: of a modern movie that would be capable of having

2101
01:58:08,360 --> 01:58:11,520
Speaker 3: that level of impact financially and changed to. The industry,

2102
01:58:11,680 --> 01:58:14,360
Speaker 3: and like what movies now are we going to be

2103
01:58:14,360 --> 01:58:17,040
Speaker 3: talking about in? Fifty years is you're going to make five?

2104
01:58:17,120 --> 01:58:19,320
Speaker 3: Billion dollars because it feels like that's The COMP and

2105
01:58:19,360 --> 01:58:19,960
Speaker 3: i don't know how.

2106
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Speaker 2: That, enksts, No, dude no it's, YOU know i mean

2107
01:58:24,200 --> 01:58:26,760
Speaker 2: IT'S and i guess that's why it's a big deal.

2108
01:58:26,920 --> 01:58:31,200
Speaker 2: New documentary and, you know that's What, makee spielberg, you know,

2109
01:58:31,560 --> 01:58:35,200
Speaker 2: so brilliant is that he was, you know he invented

2110
01:58:35,240 --> 01:58:40,320
Speaker 2: that formula and one blockbuster. After another but you know

2111
01:58:40,480 --> 01:58:43,600
Speaker 2: that one was that would have had. At all and

2112
01:58:43,920 --> 01:58:46,200
Speaker 2: you're right about the. Universal, moment shit the ONLY thing

2113
01:58:46,320 --> 01:58:49,800
Speaker 2: i can think of that is a water cooler moment

2114
01:58:50,160 --> 01:58:55,960
Speaker 2: where we all. Watch together it's The. Super, bowl god.

2115
01:58:56,040 --> 01:58:59,120
Speaker 3: You're, right LIKE as, i said doesn't matter if you're

2116
01:58:59,120 --> 01:59:01,840
Speaker 3: a fan. Or not everybody talks, about it everybody's, around

2117
01:59:01,880 --> 01:59:05,440
Speaker 3: it everybody latches. Onto it like what else? Is that,

2118
01:59:05,680 --> 01:59:09,440
Speaker 3: because certainly like award shows in general used to sort of,

2119
01:59:09,480 --> 01:59:12,400
Speaker 3: be that and they're not even. Relevant ANYMORE so i think.

2120
01:59:12,440 --> 01:59:15,240
Speaker 3: You're right i'm not sure what else can stand that

2121
01:59:15,520 --> 01:59:18,360
Speaker 3: sort of test of time and get the. Cultural.

2122
01:59:18,600 --> 01:59:22,080
Speaker 2: Eyeballs now it's weird because it wasn't too. LONG ago i.

2123
01:59:22,120 --> 01:59:26,840
Speaker 2: REMEMBER doing i used to Do a sopranos talk After

2124
01:59:28,520 --> 01:59:31,720
Speaker 2: on mondays after the, show aired and people. Loved it

2125
01:59:31,800 --> 01:59:36,040
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2126
01:59:36,080 --> 01:59:38,240
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2127
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2128
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2129
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2138
02:00:17,040 --> 02:00:21,840
Speaker 2: get off. The air we started OUT The nba finals

2139
02:00:22,040 --> 02:00:24,840
Speaker 2: and We got game, seven tomorrow so that is the

2140
02:00:25,680 --> 02:00:29,040
Speaker 2: biggest thing. In sports and then WE Got, NBA Draft,

2141
02:00:29,800 --> 02:00:34,880
Speaker 2: nhl draft and then we go into training camp and

2142
02:00:35,000 --> 02:00:39,640
Speaker 2: that's kind of how the. Calendar Goes so game seven.

2143
02:00:40,800 --> 02:00:45,080
Speaker 2: We begin we began the show game seven, tomorrow night

2144
02:00:46,280 --> 02:00:52,400
Speaker 2: and you post, a Question is? Indiana? Reel like you

2145
02:00:52,480 --> 02:00:54,760
Speaker 2: looked at it and, you go how could we not

2146
02:00:55,240 --> 02:00:59,560
Speaker 2: See this indiana thing that's happening and what do? We

2147
02:00:59,720 --> 02:01:01,320
Speaker 2: MISS which i thought was a.

2148
02:01:01,360 --> 02:01:06,600
Speaker 3: Great, Question yeah i'm just trying to figure out why

2149
02:01:07,200 --> 02:01:09,600
Speaker 3: THEY were i get why they were left for dead

2150
02:01:09,680 --> 02:01:12,960
Speaker 3: coming into. THE series i, truly, do because as YOU

2151
02:01:13,000 --> 02:01:15,520
Speaker 3: and i have talked, ABOUT repeatedly i not a lot

2152
02:01:15,520 --> 02:01:18,080
Speaker 3: of people watch a ton of REGULAR season, Nba basketball

2153
02:01:18,200 --> 02:01:20,240
Speaker 3: so right, or wrong good, or bad that's just. Way

2154
02:01:20,320 --> 02:01:22,200
Speaker 3: coast so if not a lot of people are, watching

2155
02:01:22,240 --> 02:01:24,600
Speaker 3: it and you know from sort of the narratives that

2156
02:01:25,600 --> 02:01:27,440
Speaker 3: one is a, one seed one's a, four seed and,

2157
02:01:27,520 --> 02:01:30,360
Speaker 3: You know indiana started the season off a. Little SLOWER

2158
02:01:30,400 --> 02:01:32,640
Speaker 3: and i even hear smart, people, say well look at

2159
02:01:32,680 --> 02:01:34,600
Speaker 3: the last half of the season and they're two of the.

2160
02:01:34,640 --> 02:01:37,280
Speaker 3: Best teams all of these things, Are fine, but okay

2161
02:01:37,360 --> 02:01:39,600
Speaker 3: see was just supposed to be this, dominant force and

2162
02:01:39,680 --> 02:01:42,480
Speaker 3: that's just that's sort of what's been shoved down. Everybody's

2163
02:01:42,520 --> 02:01:45,240
Speaker 3: throat but, to me even if you want to take

2164
02:01:45,320 --> 02:01:49,200
Speaker 3: game one as, an outlier it was abundantly clear after

2165
02:01:49,320 --> 02:01:52,240
Speaker 3: the first two games of this series that this was

2166
02:01:52,360 --> 02:01:54,800
Speaker 3: going to be one of those series like these two

2167
02:01:54,880 --> 02:01:58,160
Speaker 3: teams just it didn't feel like somebody was lucky or,

2168
02:01:58,200 --> 02:02:00,480
Speaker 3: somebody sucked and it's like any. Of those it just

2169
02:02:00,960 --> 02:02:03,880
Speaker 3: this has felt like a back and forth series from.

2170
02:02:03,920 --> 02:02:06,120
Speaker 3: The outset and at some point THAT'S why, i think

2171
02:02:06,240 --> 02:02:09,160
Speaker 3: especially on a seven, game series you just got to

2172
02:02:09,240 --> 02:02:14,560
Speaker 3: stop using the any logic that applied before you got

2173
02:02:14,640 --> 02:02:16,840
Speaker 3: to the series and just apply what we've seen in

2174
02:02:17,120 --> 02:02:20,920
Speaker 3: this series through. Six games and through, SIX games i

2175
02:02:21,160 --> 02:02:24,680
Speaker 3: just can't find any Reason that indiana. DOESN'T belong i

2176
02:02:24,760 --> 02:02:27,080
Speaker 3: can't find a Reason that indiana is not a Favorite in.

2177
02:02:27,120 --> 02:02:31,440
Speaker 3: GAME seven I just i. Just can't it's it's, better

2178
02:02:31,600 --> 02:02:35,680
Speaker 3: depth IT'S better, i trust more quality scoring across. The

2179
02:02:35,720 --> 02:02:39,080
Speaker 3: board if one person is a, little off that Doesn't

2180
02:02:39,240 --> 02:02:43,280
Speaker 3: murder indiana's chances in. This GAME if sga is not

2181
02:02:44,200 --> 02:02:47,440
Speaker 3: just absolutely, a behemoth, then okay se doesn't stand. A

2182
02:02:47,560 --> 02:02:50,440
Speaker 3: chance and even if, HE is i Still think indiana

2183
02:02:50,520 --> 02:02:52,480
Speaker 3: has to step on, their own you, know what to

2184
02:02:52,600 --> 02:02:56,440
Speaker 3: get out of to eliminate themselves from. This game there

2185
02:02:56,520 --> 02:03:00,320
Speaker 3: are more variables that spin Me to indiana than didn't

2186
02:03:00,360 --> 02:03:02,200
Speaker 3: spin ME. To okac at, this, point.

2187
02:03:03,760 --> 02:03:06,640
Speaker 2: Well you know. What's nuts you mentioned the. Word favorite

2188
02:03:07,240 --> 02:03:10,920
Speaker 2: You're like indiana not. A favorite like think about that

2189
02:03:11,080 --> 02:03:14,520
Speaker 2: for a. Second now obviously home court and, everything else

2190
02:03:15,360 --> 02:03:19,360
Speaker 2: but your eyes aren't. Deceiving you there's one. Major issue

2191
02:03:20,600 --> 02:03:23,000
Speaker 2: there's one major issue with this SERIES that, i think

2192
02:03:23,880 --> 02:03:28,680
Speaker 2: and it has to do with doubling and tripling AND

2193
02:03:28,840 --> 02:03:33,560
Speaker 2: blitzing sga AND turning okc into a half court team

2194
02:03:34,840 --> 02:03:39,800
Speaker 2: and NOT giving sga the space. To create he's such a,

2195
02:03:39,960 --> 02:03:44,280
Speaker 2: gifted creator a shot creator who goes to, the line

2196
02:03:45,120 --> 02:03:49,120
Speaker 2: who's just a what? A? Player right but after That

2197
02:03:49,960 --> 02:03:52,480
Speaker 2: And jaymann williams a nice, player man and he had

2198
02:03:52,560 --> 02:03:56,360
Speaker 2: a terrific. Game five he goes off for thirty and

2199
02:03:56,560 --> 02:03:59,200
Speaker 2: whoever it, WAS thirty i forget what, it was, thirty

2200
02:03:59,200 --> 02:04:02,640
Speaker 2: eight wherever, it was and he looks great the. Whole

2201
02:04:02,720 --> 02:04:06,600
Speaker 2: thing but he hasn't, been consistent and they still need

2202
02:04:06,760 --> 02:04:13,839
Speaker 2: somebody else that. Could score so when they're blitzing and SLOWING,

2203
02:04:13,920 --> 02:04:17,920
Speaker 2: down sga you got, somebody else, you know when they're on,

2204
02:04:18,000 --> 02:04:22,040
Speaker 2: the road all those role players seem. To disappear so

2205
02:04:22,280 --> 02:04:26,120
Speaker 2: that's just, To SEE like, i think o case he wins,

2206
02:04:26,160 --> 02:04:29,360
Speaker 2: THE game i think, it's CLOSE but i can see

2207
02:04:29,480 --> 02:04:32,360
Speaker 2: GUYS like I think wiggins comes up with a. Big

2208
02:04:32,480 --> 02:04:35,320
Speaker 2: game like some of those role players play better, at

2209
02:04:35,360 --> 02:04:39,000
Speaker 2: home they shoot the, ball BETTER and I think wiggins

2210
02:04:39,160 --> 02:04:41,840
Speaker 2: is a guy that can give them pretty. Good minutes

2211
02:04:42,520 --> 02:04:46,400
Speaker 2: but your over arching point is, spot On like indiana

2212
02:04:47,680 --> 02:04:50,240
Speaker 2: is Real and indiana has a real chance to win.

2213
02:04:50,320 --> 02:04:50,360
Speaker 8: The.

2214
02:04:50,440 --> 02:04:54,800
Speaker 3: Game yeah and the funny thing is we've spent so

2215
02:04:54,920 --> 02:04:56,680
Speaker 3: much time trying to figure out what that Means, for

2216
02:04:56,880 --> 02:05:01,200
Speaker 3: halliburton when in fact your point earlier was an important

2217
02:05:01,240 --> 02:05:04,640
Speaker 3: one to continue, to echo Is that indiana is not

2218
02:05:04,760 --> 02:05:06,960
Speaker 3: going to live or die in this Game. By halliburton

2219
02:05:07,160 --> 02:05:11,440
Speaker 3: they're just not like there are enough other people that

2220
02:05:11,520 --> 02:05:14,880
Speaker 3: can step up and give them quality if they get

2221
02:05:15,000 --> 02:05:17,839
Speaker 3: quality from their bench the way they have gotten quality

2222
02:05:17,920 --> 02:05:20,160
Speaker 3: so far throughout the course of. This, series like is

2223
02:05:20,240 --> 02:05:23,160
Speaker 3: it not jarring to go back and look at game

2224
02:05:23,240 --> 02:05:25,600
Speaker 3: SIX and, i know backs up against, the wall all,

2225
02:05:25,680 --> 02:05:29,680
Speaker 3: Those Things but indiana didn't just come out and, you

2226
02:05:29,760 --> 02:05:33,680
Speaker 3: know hang on for. Dear life indiana came out and it, felt,

2227
02:05:33,720 --> 02:05:35,680
Speaker 3: like okay see was ready for that punch. Of energy

2228
02:05:36,000 --> 02:05:37,520
Speaker 3: it was a, close game and then all of a

2229
02:05:37,560 --> 02:05:40,960
Speaker 3: sudden it wasn't a close Game because. Indiana helped they

2230
02:05:41,000 --> 02:05:45,000
Speaker 3: protected the ball well and they just absolutely never took

2231
02:05:45,040 --> 02:05:47,240
Speaker 3: their foot off. The gas and when you see that version, of,

2232
02:05:47,320 --> 02:05:49,600
Speaker 3: it man. It's hard it's hard for that not to

2233
02:05:49,800 --> 02:05:51,560
Speaker 3: just be stuck in. My head, you know it's just

2234
02:05:52,000 --> 02:05:56,360
Speaker 3: it's hard to see the anxiousness With which indiana awaits

2235
02:05:56,480 --> 02:05:59,040
Speaker 3: the ball from the ref out of bounds to push

2236
02:05:59,160 --> 02:06:02,240
Speaker 3: the ball up. The court is? That's real that? Is

2237
02:06:02,840 --> 02:06:06,840
Speaker 3: real the just the frenetic pace and energy and the

2238
02:06:06,960 --> 02:06:09,960
Speaker 3: frantic sort of oh, my god hang on for, dear

2239
02:06:10,040 --> 02:06:13,680
Speaker 3: life tornado that it Feels like indiana IS man i

2240
02:06:14,680 --> 02:06:17,480
Speaker 3: that's stuck in. My head and your effort is the

2241
02:06:17,560 --> 02:06:19,840
Speaker 3: one variable that you can control in any of. These

2242
02:06:19,880 --> 02:06:22,280
Speaker 3: games so when you get the, absolute BEST if i

2243
02:06:22,360 --> 02:06:26,200
Speaker 3: get the absolute Best of okac versus the absolute Best,

2244
02:06:26,280 --> 02:06:28,960
Speaker 3: of indiana if both teams are playing one hundred percent,

2245
02:06:29,000 --> 02:06:31,920
Speaker 3: of themselves. LIGHTS out i think That. Favors indiana so,

2246
02:06:32,520 --> 02:06:34,320
Speaker 3: YOU know i hear you that the role Players for

2247
02:06:34,440 --> 02:06:37,080
Speaker 3: oka see more comfortable. At home. THAT'S real I can't

2248
02:06:37,160 --> 02:06:40,240
Speaker 3: i can't. EXPLAIN it i just think in this this

2249
02:06:40,440 --> 02:06:45,160
Speaker 3: particular scenario with these, two, TEAMS man I think indiana

2250
02:06:45,240 --> 02:06:47,240
Speaker 3: has to beat themselves. To loose i'm gonna die on.

2251
02:06:47,320 --> 02:06:49,240
Speaker 3: This hill i'm Picking the pacers to WIN The. NBA

2252
02:06:49,320 --> 02:06:51,400
Speaker 3: championship i Can't believe i'm. DOING it i didn't do

2253
02:06:51,440 --> 02:06:53,160
Speaker 3: it before, the Series but i'm picking them at this

2254
02:06:53,200 --> 02:06:53,680
Speaker 3: point to get.

2255
02:06:53,680 --> 02:06:53,720
Speaker 8: It.

2256
02:06:53,800 --> 02:06:57,760
Speaker 2: Done, wow, wow man you're really, you know you're really

2257
02:06:57,840 --> 02:07:00,880
Speaker 2: polish ON and i, Get it like, you know there's

2258
02:07:01,000 --> 02:07:05,240
Speaker 2: there's a reason to. FEEL good i. DON'T KNOW i

2259
02:07:05,880 --> 02:07:10,920
Speaker 2: i still can't get Over the my biggest issue is.

2260
02:07:12,440 --> 02:07:12,480
Speaker 5: The.

2261
02:07:12,680 --> 02:07:15,880
Speaker 2: Role PLAYERS like i think they're gonna. SHOOT better I

2262
02:07:16,000 --> 02:07:19,400
Speaker 2: think I think homeward's the other, One man he's the,

2263
02:07:19,520 --> 02:07:23,200
Speaker 2: other guy like on, the road, he disappears.

2264
02:07:25,960 --> 02:07:28,680
Speaker 4: And that to me.

2265
02:07:30,200 --> 02:07:33,280
Speaker 3: Is just. A concept i guess this IS where, i

2266
02:07:33,360 --> 02:07:38,600
Speaker 3: oversimplify but the concept of anyone melting and and somebody tweeted,

2267
02:07:38,720 --> 02:07:41,760
Speaker 3: us earlier all the pressure Is on, OKAY see. I

2268
02:07:41,840 --> 02:07:47,040
Speaker 3: don't i don't think pressure in a game seven hits

2269
02:07:47,160 --> 02:07:49,400
Speaker 3: one side any different than. THE other i, truly don't

2270
02:07:49,400 --> 02:07:51,840
Speaker 3: because everybody knows that no matter what their season's ending

2271
02:07:51,880 --> 02:07:53,640
Speaker 3: at the end of, THE day i DON'T think, o

2272
02:07:53,800 --> 02:07:56,120
Speaker 3: say okay see walks in with more pressure because they're

2273
02:07:56,160 --> 02:07:59,200
Speaker 3: one seed at Home. Than Indiana it's game seven OF The.

2274
02:07:59,320 --> 02:08:03,480
Speaker 3: Nba finals these guys have imagined this moment since they

2275
02:08:03,520 --> 02:08:06,160
Speaker 3: were little kids in a driveway shooting at a hoop

2276
02:08:06,240 --> 02:08:08,200
Speaker 3: and screaming they, got fouled even when they didn't just

2277
02:08:08,240 --> 02:08:10,240
Speaker 3: because they wanted another shot at that, last shot you

2278
02:08:10,280 --> 02:08:12,440
Speaker 3: KNOW what. I mean like they have lived their whole

2279
02:08:12,520 --> 02:08:16,240
Speaker 3: lives waiting for. This moment, so now, to me if

2280
02:08:16,320 --> 02:08:21,760
Speaker 3: pressure becomes the, great equalizer, then MAN do i BELIEVE

2281
02:08:22,160 --> 02:08:26,920
Speaker 3: that okc will Will handle game seven Better. THAN indiana

2282
02:08:27,680 --> 02:08:30,520
Speaker 3: i don't know that being at home is enough of

2283
02:08:30,600 --> 02:08:33,320
Speaker 3: a boost for me to feel like it's gonna. BE

2284
02:08:33,400 --> 02:08:37,200
Speaker 3: different I just i. Don't Know If, I'M indiana i

2285
02:08:37,320 --> 02:08:39,880
Speaker 3: come in with such a Confidence of i've won in

2286
02:08:39,960 --> 02:08:44,680
Speaker 3: the toughest environments in. THE world i have seen the

2287
02:08:45,040 --> 02:08:48,600
Speaker 3: wild coverage of this whole. PLAYOFF run I just i

2288
02:08:48,680 --> 02:08:51,040
Speaker 3: think all of That. Aids indiana AND then i keep

2289
02:08:51,080 --> 02:08:54,680
Speaker 3: going BACK to i. FULLY expect i expect a huge

2290
02:08:54,760 --> 02:08:57,840
Speaker 3: Game from siakam in game seven because he's lived through.

2291
02:08:57,880 --> 02:09:01,600
Speaker 3: THESE things i just such a difference maker for me on,

2292
02:09:02,320 --> 02:09:04,560
Speaker 3: you know having a voice in that locker room, that's,

2293
02:09:04,600 --> 02:09:07,760
Speaker 3: LIKE hey i know how to normalize. My adrenaline listen.

2294
02:09:07,840 --> 02:09:09,080
Speaker 2: To me this is what we have.

2295
02:09:09,200 --> 02:09:12,240
Speaker 3: TO do i GOT the i trust their, coach MORE

2296
02:09:12,320 --> 02:09:14,560
Speaker 3: and i. TRUST more i Trust the.

2297
02:09:14,560 --> 02:09:20,160
Speaker 2: Pacers, MORE okay I. TRUST carlisle I think carlisle is

2298
02:09:21,080 --> 02:09:25,520
Speaker 2: a big Advantage. For INDIANA so i agree with.

2299
02:09:25,640 --> 02:09:26,000
Speaker 4: You here.

2300
02:09:27,560 --> 02:09:32,840
Speaker 2: I'm not as Bullish on sam as. YOU are, i mean.

2301
02:09:33,480 --> 02:09:36,680
Speaker 2: GOOD player I mean i'm not, you know discounting he's

2302
02:09:36,680 --> 02:09:40,800
Speaker 2: had a couple of. Good games he also he also

2303
02:09:40,920 --> 02:09:42,680
Speaker 2: didn't show up in a couple of games in The

2304
02:09:42,800 --> 02:09:47,760
Speaker 2: fourth core in the, second HALF so i think his

2305
02:09:48,000 --> 02:09:52,120
Speaker 2: game also kind of warrants that you'll get off from

2306
02:09:52,160 --> 02:09:56,000
Speaker 2: three once in. A while but he's not a great free.

2307
02:09:56,080 --> 02:10:00,880
Speaker 2: Throw shooter he's, you know he's not a great. SHOCK creator,

2308
02:10:00,920 --> 02:10:02,880
Speaker 2: i mean he's. Really good i'd like To say i'm

2309
02:10:02,920 --> 02:10:06,720
Speaker 2: not trying to denigrate. His game i'm just sorry about for.

2310
02:10:07,040 --> 02:10:11,520
Speaker 2: CONSISTENCY purposes i think it goes Back, to halliburton Into

2311
02:10:11,640 --> 02:10:16,680
Speaker 2: what halliburton can, give you because in that limited time

2312
02:10:16,760 --> 02:10:20,840
Speaker 2: when he played twenty, four minutes he. Played terrific.

2313
02:10:22,240 --> 02:10:22,280
Speaker 4: That.

2314
02:10:22,520 --> 02:10:26,400
Speaker 2: SHOCKED me i. Was Shocked, and halliburton with that, camp

2315
02:10:26,480 --> 02:10:29,720
Speaker 2: injury had that kind of game, in him and he

2316
02:10:29,840 --> 02:10:31,760
Speaker 2: had to watching the previous game when he.

2317
02:10:31,880 --> 02:10:34,760
Speaker 3: Was, hurt yeah and he gets the extra day's rest

2318
02:10:34,840 --> 02:10:36,880
Speaker 3: here to get really amped up and ready. For it,

2319
02:10:36,960 --> 02:10:39,560
Speaker 3: oh man whatever, they're whatever they're going to rub on

2320
02:10:39,680 --> 02:10:41,720
Speaker 3: to make sure that he's as numb, as possible like

2321
02:10:41,840 --> 02:10:45,320
Speaker 3: he's he should be good, to, Go, right like here's.

2322
02:10:45,360 --> 02:10:52,320
Speaker 2: The thing give me twenty seven really. Good minutes That's

2323
02:10:52,320 --> 02:10:57,120
Speaker 2: what i'm. Looking for twenty seven really. Good MINUTES and

2324
02:10:57,240 --> 02:11:00,200
Speaker 2: i got McConnell and sometimes McConnell being a game. With

2325
02:11:00,360 --> 02:11:07,200
Speaker 2: him AND if i can get that out Out, Of halliburton. I'm.

2326
02:11:07,280 --> 02:11:11,680
Speaker 2: Good now nemhart played really well in game. Six too,

2327
02:11:13,480 --> 02:11:16,600
Speaker 2: You know Nemhart and netsmith are two other keys to,

2328
02:11:16,720 --> 02:11:20,080
Speaker 2: this thing because one of them has to. Show up,

2329
02:11:21,680 --> 02:11:24,360
Speaker 2: and then like Even if siakan Gives you siakam right

2330
02:11:25,600 --> 02:11:30,200
Speaker 2: eighteen to twenty, NINE boards, i mean that's kind of what, he,

2331
02:11:30,360 --> 02:11:38,200
Speaker 2: Is Right miles turner was horrific in, game six oh,

2332
02:11:38,400 --> 02:11:42,520
Speaker 2: for whatever and he was he. Was awful he's gotta

2333
02:11:42,600 --> 02:11:45,720
Speaker 2: get he's got to, play better and then, you know

2334
02:11:46,040 --> 02:11:48,360
Speaker 2: the bench has to be the bench like ob topping

2335
02:11:48,440 --> 02:11:52,600
Speaker 2: to me was. The difference he. Comes in he just makes,

2336
02:11:52,720 --> 02:11:58,000
Speaker 2: big shots those run those. Run, shots now the other

2337
02:11:58,160 --> 02:12:01,920
Speaker 2: thing that's interesting to me that favorites IN the ah

2338
02:12:02,920 --> 02:12:08,280
Speaker 2: Is that matherin didn't go nuts the. Other night matherick's a.

2339
02:12:08,320 --> 02:12:12,280
Speaker 2: GOOD player i Could see mathree shooting the ball a

2340
02:12:12,280 --> 02:12:14,120
Speaker 2: little bit. Tomorrow night.

2341
02:12:15,680 --> 02:12:21,200
Speaker 3: To, Your point mathern could go, off right McConnell could,

2342
02:12:21,240 --> 02:12:25,200
Speaker 3: Go off obie could, Go Off nie smiths could Go

2343
02:12:25,320 --> 02:12:30,560
Speaker 3: off thatnmark could, Go off haliburton can, Go off turner can.

2344
02:12:30,680 --> 02:12:33,200
Speaker 3: Go off I'M just i know this, feels Redundant but

2345
02:12:33,200 --> 02:12:36,080
Speaker 3: i'm making this point because they had whatever six guys

2346
02:12:36,240 --> 02:12:39,960
Speaker 3: in double digits in the. Last game any one of those,

2347
02:12:40,160 --> 02:12:43,480
Speaker 3: six seven they've, got, six seven eight guys they can

2348
02:12:43,560 --> 02:12:47,200
Speaker 3: all give you in, this game you could reliably say

2349
02:12:47,640 --> 02:12:49,640
Speaker 3: they've got what eight guys on, the roster they could

2350
02:12:49,640 --> 02:12:53,360
Speaker 3: give you? Eighteen points like that is that's. A lot

2351
02:12:53,960 --> 02:12:56,200
Speaker 3: that's a lot to try and figure out how to,

2352
02:12:56,280 --> 02:13:00,720
Speaker 3: deal with especially with the pace that like to run

2353
02:13:00,840 --> 02:13:04,680
Speaker 3: with in, these playoffs and that's asking a LOT. Of,

2354
02:13:04,800 --> 02:13:09,280
Speaker 3: OKAC now okac has obviously the, best PLAYER and i

2355
02:13:09,520 --> 02:13:13,520
Speaker 3: usually god and IN The, nba Finals particularly, GAME seven

2356
02:13:14,080 --> 02:13:16,000
Speaker 3: i would usually look at it, and, say hey give

2357
02:13:16,040 --> 02:13:18,280
Speaker 3: me the, best player and the best player in this,

2358
02:13:18,560 --> 02:13:21,640
Speaker 3: entire series without, any doubt is GONNA. Be sga we all,

2359
02:13:21,680 --> 02:13:25,000
Speaker 3: know that you know AND Certainly Sga jaylen williams can also,

2360
02:13:25,080 --> 02:13:27,600
Speaker 3: go off there is no doubt. About it BUT do

2361
02:13:27,760 --> 02:13:32,360
Speaker 3: i really trust anybody ELSE in okc to, Just, say

2362
02:13:32,400 --> 02:13:35,200
Speaker 3: hey this guy out of nowhere is gonna give me.

2363
02:13:35,560 --> 02:13:38,680
Speaker 3: Twenty points who's Gonna be for All the jordan conversations

2364
02:13:38,720 --> 02:13:41,160
Speaker 3: we'd like, to have they're. All stupid we can look

2365
02:13:41,200 --> 02:13:42,680
Speaker 3: at it, and, say hey who's gonna Be The, steve

2366
02:13:42,760 --> 02:13:45,080
Speaker 3: kerr who's gonna Be The, Craig hodges who's gonna be

2367
02:13:45,160 --> 02:13:47,240
Speaker 3: the weird guy On a jordan team that turns around

2368
02:13:47,320 --> 02:13:49,640
Speaker 3: and just gets big bucket after big bucket when you

2369
02:13:49,720 --> 02:13:52,120
Speaker 3: absolutely need it to get a championship out of. This

2370
02:13:52,200 --> 02:13:55,600
Speaker 3: THING AND i, I know i hear you that these,

2371
02:13:55,680 --> 02:13:58,960
Speaker 3: role players BUT like i want Chet ho holmgrun to.

2372
02:13:59,000 --> 02:14:01,480
Speaker 3: BE that i want to have this like, awakening moment

2373
02:14:01,600 --> 02:14:03,360
Speaker 3: especially the way they put him in, Every Ad, my

2374
02:14:03,520 --> 02:14:05,680
Speaker 3: god like they are trying to Make chet holme Gonna Star.

2375
02:14:05,880 --> 02:14:08,920
Speaker 3: MY god i want that star making moment. For him

2376
02:14:09,400 --> 02:14:11,560
Speaker 3: but BUT if i got a bank on somebody Not

2377
02:14:11,800 --> 02:14:14,640
Speaker 3: named SGA and i got to bet my house, On

2378
02:14:14,760 --> 02:14:17,000
Speaker 3: it i'm not comfortable with any. Of THOSE if i

2379
02:14:17,080 --> 02:14:19,120
Speaker 3: have to bet my you are comfortable.

2380
02:14:19,160 --> 02:14:20,760
Speaker 2: With it you're Comfortable With.

2381
02:14:20,880 --> 02:14:23,600
Speaker 3: Jalen, williams, Yeah Well Jayleen willim, YEAH yeah. I did,

2382
02:14:23,720 --> 02:14:26,920
Speaker 3: YEAH preference i said PREFACE that i Did say. Jayalen

2383
02:14:26,960 --> 02:14:30,160
Speaker 3: earlier the rest, Of them i'm not really comfortable. With

2384
02:14:30,240 --> 02:14:32,760
Speaker 3: that but if you TELL me i got to bet

2385
02:14:32,840 --> 02:14:35,120
Speaker 3: my house on anybody Other than haliburton to come through

2386
02:14:35,200 --> 02:14:38,160
Speaker 3: and have twenty points On, on indiana so a whole bunch,

2387
02:14:38,200 --> 02:14:39,920
Speaker 3: OF guys i take that bet on a whole bunch.

2388
02:14:39,960 --> 02:14:43,680
Speaker 2: Of, them, YEAH yeah I think i think would shock

2389
02:14:43,880 --> 02:14:49,040
Speaker 2: people with this series Is that indiana is the. Deeper,

2390
02:14:49,160 --> 02:14:54,800
Speaker 2: team yeah nobody, thought everybody. INCLUDING myself, i, thought okay

2391
02:14:54,880 --> 02:14:58,040
Speaker 2: she was the. Deeper TEA and i Liked the. Indiana's

2392
02:14:58,040 --> 02:14:59,640
Speaker 2: bench we all knew that had a. Good bench, but

2393
02:15:01,440 --> 02:15:07,600
Speaker 2: clearly clearly they're, a better, much better and. Much deeper

2394
02:15:08,520 --> 02:15:12,680
Speaker 2: and it showed you because Look The isaiah joe who

2395
02:15:12,800 --> 02:15:14,800
Speaker 2: was a part of, the rotation kicking on the floor

2396
02:15:14,840 --> 02:15:18,080
Speaker 2: because you. Can't, defend, yeah.

2397
02:15:19,760 --> 02:15:22,520
Speaker 3: Nah all. Of IT am i talking to you? Into

2398
02:15:22,560 --> 02:15:25,960
Speaker 3: it you feel Like maybe I'm Making i'm i'm. Tickling.

2399
02:15:26,040 --> 02:15:29,440
Speaker 2: YOU listen i think you're, right there, like HONESTLY like,

2400
02:15:29,680 --> 02:15:31,879
Speaker 2: I do i think you're, right THERE and I think indiana.

2401
02:15:31,920 --> 02:15:35,240
Speaker 2: COULD win i just had THIS and i think the.

2402
02:15:35,320 --> 02:15:39,080
Speaker 2: GAME'S close i think it's a. COIN flip i something

2403
02:15:39,240 --> 02:15:45,280
Speaker 2: tells me that they're they're. Gonna home grin, plays better

2404
02:15:46,920 --> 02:15:48,440
Speaker 2: and it has to do with being. AT home i

2405
02:15:48,560 --> 02:15:51,720
Speaker 2: know it doesn't, mean anything and you're right home, court

2406
02:15:51,800 --> 02:15:56,800
Speaker 2: homewise it's. That different but there's Something about rims and

2407
02:15:57,280 --> 02:16:00,840
Speaker 2: and there's something about those runs is that they go

2408
02:16:01,120 --> 02:16:08,000
Speaker 2: on that crowd ENERGY that i think wills them over.

2409
02:16:08,080 --> 02:16:13,640
Speaker 3: The, top well you're not wrong about the impact all

2410
02:16:13,760 --> 02:16:18,560
Speaker 3: of that, can, make obviously and it is that, is

2411
02:16:18,640 --> 02:16:21,080
Speaker 3: real that the energy from, the crowd all of these things.

2412
02:16:21,680 --> 02:16:23,960
Speaker 3: ARE real i do agree that the one thing that

2413
02:16:24,040 --> 02:16:25,880
Speaker 3: stands out to ME is i JUST don't i don't

2414
02:16:25,880 --> 02:16:27,720
Speaker 3: see any way that it's a bludget in one way or,

2415
02:16:27,720 --> 02:16:30,360
Speaker 3: the other, You know and this to me feels like

2416
02:16:30,520 --> 02:16:34,320
Speaker 3: it's just going to be back and forth and it's

2417
02:16:34,400 --> 02:16:36,320
Speaker 3: going to have a level. Of desperation like YOU and

2418
02:16:36,400 --> 02:16:37,920
Speaker 3: i have talked to before about the FACT that i

2419
02:16:37,959 --> 02:16:41,000
Speaker 3: Think The Stanley cup final And The stanley cup playoffs

2420
02:16:41,040 --> 02:16:43,280
Speaker 3: in general are maybe some of the best things you

2421
02:16:43,320 --> 02:16:46,920
Speaker 3: can ever watch in sports because it's so the tension

2422
02:16:47,000 --> 02:16:50,760
Speaker 3: with every single goal is. So real the tension is

2423
02:16:50,879 --> 02:16:53,400
Speaker 3: going to be real for both of, these teams just

2424
02:16:53,959 --> 02:16:56,640
Speaker 3: in a level of can you match, my pace can

2425
02:16:56,680 --> 02:17:00,600
Speaker 3: you match? My effort and as this is the iconic star,

2426
02:17:00,680 --> 02:17:02,600
Speaker 3: making moment, you know that's the other part. OF this

2427
02:17:03,080 --> 02:17:05,800
Speaker 3: i walked into this series with, you saying this is

2428
02:17:05,840 --> 02:17:08,920
Speaker 3: an opportunity for the league to find some of the,

2429
02:17:09,040 --> 02:17:11,920
Speaker 3: Next stars like because of the way everybody talks, about

2430
02:17:11,959 --> 02:17:15,680
Speaker 3: championships somebody coming up Huge into game seven and this is,

2431
02:17:15,720 --> 02:17:20,240
Speaker 3: an iconic immortal MOMENT in. Nba, history like that's that's what's,

2432
02:17:20,240 --> 02:17:22,960
Speaker 3: At stake and there's going to be an opportunity for

2433
02:17:23,240 --> 02:17:26,480
Speaker 3: whatever whatever has happened through the. Whole playoffs nobody will give.

2434
02:17:26,480 --> 02:17:29,160
Speaker 3: A damn nobody will even. Remember It For. Chet holmgren

2435
02:17:29,400 --> 02:17:31,840
Speaker 3: they will not remember how terrible he was last game

2436
02:17:32,080 --> 02:17:33,840
Speaker 3: if he comes out in lays twenty four Points in

2437
02:17:33,879 --> 02:17:36,240
Speaker 3: game seven and is a, big, Factor, right like that's

2438
02:17:36,520 --> 02:17:38,920
Speaker 3: that's the cool part of this, to me that it

2439
02:17:39,080 --> 02:17:42,160
Speaker 3: makes it electric because you're you're truly watching legacy be

2440
02:17:42,320 --> 02:17:44,880
Speaker 3: made in front of. Your eyes And that's no sport

2441
02:17:44,959 --> 02:17:48,960
Speaker 3: covers championships more THAN. The NBA so i don't believe

2442
02:17:49,040 --> 02:17:51,959
Speaker 3: that there's a sport that matters more for your overall

2443
02:17:52,440 --> 02:17:54,880
Speaker 3: conversation and the tone of your team and your franchise

2444
02:17:54,920 --> 02:17:58,039
Speaker 3: and your stars Than a game seven IN The. Nba finals.

2445
02:18:00,520 --> 02:18:06,800
Speaker 2: You mentioned some beautiful by, the way beautiful like beautifully

2446
02:18:06,959 --> 02:18:11,360
Speaker 2: said beautifully the, whole. THING right i got one question

2447
02:18:11,480 --> 02:18:16,440
Speaker 2: though you mentioned the star finding? The stars do we

2448
02:18:16,680 --> 02:18:17,240
Speaker 2: have to find?

2449
02:18:17,280 --> 02:18:18,199
Speaker 3: The stars.

2450
02:18:19,480 --> 02:18:25,360
Speaker 2: What's the lasting piece of? This final some of all

2451
02:18:25,440 --> 02:18:28,280
Speaker 2: parts matter? To me?

2452
02:18:28,400 --> 02:18:31,960
Speaker 3: And, YOU yes i think two. Good conversations i'd like

2453
02:18:32,040 --> 02:18:34,800
Speaker 3: to think we're having a. GOOD conversation i think to

2454
02:18:35,400 --> 02:18:38,000
Speaker 3: People like, i'll Say Like ryan rossella, for EXAMPLE that

2455
02:18:38,080 --> 02:18:42,800
Speaker 3: i think covers the sport really. Really WELL to nba

2456
02:18:43,040 --> 02:18:45,960
Speaker 3: heads to some of the parts is, the lesson it's

2457
02:18:46,040 --> 02:18:49,400
Speaker 3: the lesson that's. Been learned there's nothing anybody can do

2458
02:18:49,440 --> 02:18:53,520
Speaker 3: about the, fact that, you know there are certain moments

2459
02:18:53,680 --> 02:18:55,560
Speaker 3: in sports now that are blown up to the fact

2460
02:18:55,600 --> 02:18:58,160
Speaker 3: that everybody makes it a. Conversation piece so should it?

2461
02:18:58,280 --> 02:19:01,600
Speaker 3: Be no but is yes in some level to me

2462
02:19:01,720 --> 02:19:03,760
Speaker 3: that maybe that's just me throwing my hands up and

2463
02:19:04,040 --> 02:19:06,520
Speaker 3: giving up on certain parts of the WAY the nba.

2464
02:19:06,600 --> 02:19:09,120
Speaker 3: Is COVERED but i do agree. With you the lesson

2465
02:19:09,200 --> 02:19:12,360
Speaker 3: here should be some of all parts go, you know

2466
02:19:12,560 --> 02:19:14,160
Speaker 3: and go do it the. Right way should be the

2467
02:19:14,240 --> 02:19:16,080
Speaker 3: lesson that we get out of this playoff run by

2468
02:19:16,120 --> 02:19:19,000
Speaker 3: both of, these franchises and by the way that that

2469
02:19:19,080 --> 02:19:20,880
Speaker 3: should be part of the hope because there is a

2470
02:19:21,040 --> 02:19:23,920
Speaker 3: moment where we have to remember that it was laughable

2471
02:19:24,000 --> 02:19:26,160
Speaker 3: at one Time The golden state would become the focus of.

2472
02:19:26,200 --> 02:19:29,200
Speaker 3: The league like my hope is that both of these

2473
02:19:29,240 --> 02:19:31,240
Speaker 3: teams showed that the focus of the league can Still

2474
02:19:31,240 --> 02:19:33,600
Speaker 3: be it doesn't matter, the market it matters. The team

2475
02:19:33,600 --> 02:19:35,280
Speaker 3: and if you put the right group of, guys together

2476
02:19:35,520 --> 02:19:35,880
Speaker 3: you can win.

2477
02:19:35,959 --> 02:19:40,680
Speaker 2: A chip, yeah yeah, yeah yeah, all right lots to.

2478
02:19:40,800 --> 02:19:44,280
Speaker 2: Get to still the brains going to, join us so

2479
02:19:44,440 --> 02:19:48,240
Speaker 2: we'll go hang out, with him look at the sports

2480
02:19:48,240 --> 02:19:52,039
Speaker 2: from a, betting standpoint where the fellas, Right Here Fox,

2481
02:19:52,200 --> 02:20:04,000
Speaker 2: sports radio, all right, welcome back fellas HANGING out NBA

2482
02:20:04,280 --> 02:20:08,440
Speaker 2: Game nba finals game seven, tomorrow night to look at

2483
02:20:08,480 --> 02:20:11,879
Speaker 2: it from a, betting standpoint as he always joins us

2484
02:20:11,959 --> 02:20:17,000
Speaker 2: this time, each week, our Man, the Brain buddy brad Fed.

2485
02:20:17,040 --> 02:20:19,080
Speaker 2: By brain, Good morning, good.

2486
02:20:19,120 --> 02:20:20,360
Speaker 4: Morning guys how are? You today?

2487
02:20:20,800 --> 02:20:25,080
Speaker 2: We're good get ready for, Tomorrow night fitzi's all About. The,

2488
02:20:25,280 --> 02:20:27,199
Speaker 2: pacers yeah.

2489
02:20:27,120 --> 02:20:29,039
Speaker 4: Should be a, good one should be a. GOOD one,

2490
02:20:29,080 --> 02:20:31,560
Speaker 4: i mean who would have thought before the series that

2491
02:20:31,680 --> 02:20:33,840
Speaker 4: this was going to go? To seven the answer is not.

2492
02:20:34,040 --> 02:20:37,039
Speaker 4: Many people BUT as i, TOLD you i think through,

2493
02:20:37,160 --> 02:20:39,680
Speaker 4: six GAMES if i didn't know one player on either

2494
02:20:39,760 --> 02:20:43,280
Speaker 4: TEAM and i just just, WATCHING it I just i

2495
02:20:43,320 --> 02:20:47,480
Speaker 4: Would say indiana's been a slightly, slightly better more impressive team.

2496
02:20:47,520 --> 02:20:51,080
Speaker 4: So far so it's been. Eye, opening indiana clearly a

2497
02:20:51,160 --> 02:20:54,280
Speaker 4: team that was not, getting respected is irved and, uh,

2498
02:20:54,520 --> 02:20:56,560
Speaker 4: okay see, you know probably because of their lack of

2499
02:20:56,640 --> 02:20:59,160
Speaker 4: ability to find that Other score anthony a little.

2500
02:20:59,200 --> 02:21:04,199
Speaker 2: BIT overrated, i mean let.

2501
02:21:04,160 --> 02:21:07,880
Speaker 3: Me just get straight into. Game seven how much we

2502
02:21:07,959 --> 02:21:10,600
Speaker 3: get all to. This point so most of us are

2503
02:21:10,640 --> 02:21:12,840
Speaker 3: sitting here dealing, with emotion dealing with the fact that

2504
02:21:12,959 --> 02:21:16,080
Speaker 3: we've seen Such different we saw what we saw in,

2505
02:21:16,120 --> 02:21:18,400
Speaker 3: game six right like You saw indiana just sort of

2506
02:21:18,440 --> 02:21:20,960
Speaker 3: come out. And, overwhelm, okay see so how much does

2507
02:21:21,040 --> 02:21:22,720
Speaker 3: any of that play into the way that you do

2508
02:21:22,920 --> 02:21:26,080
Speaker 3: your logic for? This game, how like what impact does

2509
02:21:26,120 --> 02:21:28,400
Speaker 3: the series that we've seen have on the way that

2510
02:21:28,480 --> 02:21:28,960
Speaker 3: you're playing?

2511
02:21:29,000 --> 02:21:32,960
Speaker 4: Game, seven well the impact they had, for me fit

2512
02:21:33,040 --> 02:21:36,360
Speaker 4: see is, Just okay i've now seen a. Data point

2513
02:21:36,440 --> 02:21:38,119
Speaker 4: like when these team for first playing in, game one

2514
02:21:38,520 --> 02:21:40,760
Speaker 4: there is no data anthe is a really. Big person

2515
02:21:40,800 --> 02:21:43,760
Speaker 4: in terms, of matchups there was really no data in terms.

2516
02:21:43,800 --> 02:21:46,240
Speaker 4: Of matchup how would these teams play when they actually face?

2517
02:21:46,280 --> 02:21:49,119
Speaker 4: Each other what would? It mean what players, would struggle

2518
02:21:49,200 --> 02:21:52,120
Speaker 4: what players would have. More, success now if we have,

2519
02:21:52,240 --> 02:21:55,280
Speaker 4: six games the data point where we see what players,

2520
02:21:55,320 --> 02:21:58,440
Speaker 4: have success which, players struggle the minute rotation for, every

2521
02:21:58,520 --> 02:22:01,039
Speaker 4: player and we have an idea of what will happen

2522
02:22:01,080 --> 02:22:03,240
Speaker 4: when these two teams play? Each other, for me fifty

2523
02:22:03,280 --> 02:22:05,480
Speaker 4: again through these. Six, games, now again most of, these

2524
02:22:05,520 --> 02:22:08,400
Speaker 4: games unfortunately from a, competitive standpoint a lot of them

2525
02:22:08,440 --> 02:22:10,720
Speaker 4: haven't been, that, GOOD right i mean a lot of

2526
02:22:10,760 --> 02:22:13,200
Speaker 4: them have just been blowouts that really haven't been. That

2527
02:22:13,360 --> 02:22:15,400
Speaker 4: exciting but a couple of the games In the anna.

2528
02:22:15,440 --> 02:22:19,040
Speaker 4: Were Decent in game one obviously was. Pretty good but to,

2529
02:22:19,200 --> 02:22:22,640
Speaker 4: me Again when i'm watching, These teams i'm saying, to, myself,

2530
02:22:22,760 --> 02:22:28,920
Speaker 4: Huh yes okasey's power rating was significantly Higher. Than indiana but,

2531
02:22:29,120 --> 02:22:31,640
Speaker 4: RIGHT now i don't think that's the case. At all now.

2532
02:22:31,720 --> 02:22:34,640
Speaker 4: What's happened it's again this line you gotta. Grab mine

2533
02:22:35,160 --> 02:22:37,959
Speaker 4: it's now a stone cold painted seven and. A half

2534
02:22:38,520 --> 02:22:44,240
Speaker 4: so every sharp Has. Hammered indiana, but again a lot

2535
02:22:44,280 --> 02:22:46,280
Speaker 4: of that value when, it's nine now it's seven and.

2536
02:22:46,320 --> 02:22:50,120
Speaker 4: A half it's a. Big difference but to, ME again

2537
02:22:51,000 --> 02:22:54,320
Speaker 4: i really adjusted my power Rating, on INDIANA and i,

2538
02:22:54,360 --> 02:22:56,440
Speaker 4: don't know okayc, quite FRANKLY and i think this is

2539
02:22:56,480 --> 02:22:59,320
Speaker 4: a much more of an even game than, you KNOW

2540
02:23:00,120 --> 02:23:01,480
Speaker 4: like i would have Thought before game.

2541
02:23:01,520 --> 02:23:07,320
Speaker 2: One started so when you look at, this, thing brother,

2542
02:23:08,480 --> 02:23:14,160
Speaker 2: and like HERE'S how i suss. It out role players

2543
02:23:14,440 --> 02:23:15,440
Speaker 2: shoot the ball better.

2544
02:23:15,520 --> 02:23:17,240
Speaker 3: At, Home, yep.

2545
02:23:19,080 --> 02:23:23,560
Speaker 2: Okay see is in dire need of somebody else. Stepping

2546
02:23:23,640 --> 02:23:27,240
Speaker 2: up they Need So, jalen WILLIAMS who sga they were,

2547
02:23:27,240 --> 02:23:32,640
Speaker 2: Gonna blitz he'll get points like even he'll he'll he

2548
02:23:32,760 --> 02:23:36,520
Speaker 2: can labor and work and all and He'll get he'll

2549
02:23:36,560 --> 02:23:39,880
Speaker 2: wind up. Getting thirty but you gotta get all the,

2550
02:23:40,000 --> 02:23:43,480
Speaker 2: Points Right Like jalen williams stepped up the one game.

2551
02:23:44,000 --> 02:23:47,720
Speaker 2: Two games needs to do more. HOME grin i Brought

2552
02:23:47,840 --> 02:23:52,720
Speaker 2: up nat he was horrible in. Game six he's got to.

2553
02:23:52,760 --> 02:23:56,000
Speaker 2: STEP up i think he plays better. At HOME and

2554
02:23:56,120 --> 02:24:01,080
Speaker 2: I think wiggins they need production off the beat because

2555
02:24:01,120 --> 02:24:05,440
Speaker 2: that's been the big Difference. With INDIANA so i Think

2556
02:24:05,480 --> 02:24:09,880
Speaker 2: it's wiggins who gives them off the bench two or, three,

2557
02:24:10,040 --> 02:24:17,280
Speaker 2: threes right that could. PROPEL them i think that's the. Only, way, yeah, well.

2558
02:24:17,200 --> 02:24:20,320
Speaker 4: Look they need someone, like that that extra. Scorer off

2559
02:24:20,640 --> 02:24:22,440
Speaker 4: and it's interesting is this is a team all year

2560
02:24:22,480 --> 02:24:25,360
Speaker 4: that would made them. So special anthony has been that

2561
02:24:25,440 --> 02:24:27,760
Speaker 4: they've been Along, with indiana these have been the two

2562
02:24:27,840 --> 02:24:30,800
Speaker 4: teams that have such good, bench play but in this

2563
02:24:31,000 --> 02:24:36,160
Speaker 4: series it's been, a mismatch an absolute. UTTER mismatch, i,

2564
02:24:36,200 --> 02:24:38,040
Speaker 4: mean Look the indiana the one game in matter and

2565
02:24:38,080 --> 02:24:41,360
Speaker 4: went off for twenty nine. OR whatever TJ McConnell i said,

2566
02:24:41,400 --> 02:24:44,080
Speaker 4: TO you i know. HE won't i know. He won't

2567
02:24:44,560 --> 02:24:46,320
Speaker 4: BUT if i had to TAKE an mvp in this

2568
02:24:46,440 --> 02:24:50,000
Speaker 4: series so Far, FOR indiana i give it him Slightly.

2569
02:24:50,040 --> 02:24:52,720
Speaker 4: OVER siakham i think he's been. That, TREMENDOUS.

2570
02:24:54,200 --> 02:24:55,840
Speaker 2: Hey i don't forget It'll be topping in.

2571
02:24:55,920 --> 02:24:58,320
Speaker 4: That Too obie top has been. Great too i'm saying.

2572
02:24:58,320 --> 02:25:01,960
Speaker 4: Their benches you could argue it has been more impressive

2573
02:25:02,040 --> 02:25:05,200
Speaker 4: than than the Starters. FOR indiana, i mean because, You're

2574
02:25:05,240 --> 02:25:07,240
Speaker 4: Right obi top and will probably be the third player

2575
02:25:07,280 --> 02:25:11,960
Speaker 4: on my list AFTER a tj McConnell And. Pascal siakam so,

2576
02:25:12,680 --> 02:25:15,080
Speaker 4: look again it should be a. Good game but here's.

2577
02:25:15,080 --> 02:25:16,880
Speaker 4: The thing let's think, about value and we talk. About

2578
02:25:16,959 --> 02:25:21,440
Speaker 4: value how much of the value has Evaporated for indiana?

2579
02:25:21,600 --> 02:25:24,920
Speaker 4: Right now let's think about this game six, at home

2580
02:25:25,560 --> 02:25:28,200
Speaker 4: which is a great. Home crowd they're taking six and

2581
02:25:28,240 --> 02:25:30,760
Speaker 4: a half. At home now they're taking seven and a

2582
02:25:30,760 --> 02:25:33,959
Speaker 4: half on. THE road, i, MEAN gosh, i mean it's.

2583
02:25:34,120 --> 02:25:37,240
Speaker 4: It is it is just night, and Day which i'd

2584
02:25:37,360 --> 02:25:40,320
Speaker 4: RATHER do i mean it's taking six and a half

2585
02:25:40,400 --> 02:25:42,760
Speaker 4: at home versus seven and a half on, the road

2586
02:25:43,200 --> 02:25:49,320
Speaker 4: a much better spot in game six and in, game seven, real.

2587
02:25:49,280 --> 02:25:54,440
Speaker 2: Quick, jump down. Real, quick yeah value compared to what

2588
02:25:55,040 --> 02:25:59,640
Speaker 2: you think the value once. Was correct but knowing that

2589
02:26:00,920 --> 02:26:03,480
Speaker 2: what your eyes are saying Is that indiana, is legit

2590
02:26:04,680 --> 02:26:07,520
Speaker 2: they are SO like i can argue that the value is,

2591
02:26:07,560 --> 02:26:12,920
Speaker 2: still THERE like i that it hasn't moved Enough and

2592
02:26:13,160 --> 02:26:13,920
Speaker 2: aliana still.

2593
02:26:13,959 --> 02:26:18,280
Speaker 4: Has, value yeah, Listen again i'm one hundred percent On the. Indiana.

2594
02:26:18,400 --> 02:26:22,240
Speaker 4: SIDE again i did take it when it was nine because,

2595
02:26:22,440 --> 02:26:25,800
Speaker 4: to me that was. Just ridiculous but it has gone.

2596
02:26:26,040 --> 02:26:28,880
Speaker 4: Down again it has gone down to now seven and.

2597
02:26:28,920 --> 02:26:32,520
Speaker 4: A half so again and for me to sit here

2598
02:26:32,680 --> 02:26:34,320
Speaker 4: the distant, general saying oh it was seven and a,

2599
02:26:34,320 --> 02:26:38,680
Speaker 4: half nine? WHO cares i. Answers me but, BUT yeah

2600
02:26:38,720 --> 02:26:41,400
Speaker 4: i do think that this line is still, too HIGH

2601
02:26:42,480 --> 02:26:46,400
Speaker 4: and i do Think that. Indiana, ABSOLUTELY look i think

2602
02:26:46,440 --> 02:26:47,920
Speaker 4: this will be a. CLOSE game. I do i don't

2603
02:26:47,920 --> 02:26:50,240
Speaker 4: think it's going to be A double. Diger, game okay

2604
02:26:50,280 --> 02:26:54,080
Speaker 4: see most likely winner, for sure but let's call it

2605
02:26:55,160 --> 02:26:57,000
Speaker 4: the final score will go one on nine one. O,

2606
02:26:57,160 --> 02:26:58,640
Speaker 4: four okay see.

2607
02:27:00,720 --> 02:27:03,840
Speaker 3: Does because we've talked a lot today about the role

2608
02:27:03,879 --> 02:27:08,560
Speaker 3: players at, home specifically do you look at some of

2609
02:27:08,640 --> 02:27:11,160
Speaker 3: these ancillary like when you're looking, for props do you

2610
02:27:11,240 --> 02:27:13,960
Speaker 3: look at some of these ancillary players different because we're, At,

2611
02:27:14,040 --> 02:27:16,480
Speaker 3: home like how much does game seven or be IN

2612
02:27:16,480 --> 02:27:19,199
Speaker 3: an okc matter to that with Props, SPECIFIC.

2613
02:27:20,200 --> 02:27:23,960
Speaker 4: Yeah i mean not all, of it so because. IT depends, i,

2614
02:27:24,000 --> 02:27:26,920
Speaker 4: mean YEAH obviously i do look at the home road

2615
02:27:27,040 --> 02:27:30,760
Speaker 4: splits of players just to get every kind of EDGE that.

2616
02:27:30,879 --> 02:27:34,560
Speaker 4: I CAN so i try to factor literally every aspect

2617
02:27:34,720 --> 02:27:37,280
Speaker 4: into It when i'm making. These debts but again it's,

2618
02:27:37,320 --> 02:27:39,680
Speaker 4: Also look i'm also starting. To flow it's a one, shot,

2619
02:27:39,760 --> 02:27:43,720
Speaker 4: Deal right it's, one game, so truly not to sound like,

2620
02:27:43,840 --> 02:27:47,720
Speaker 4: a coach anything can happen in. One game so in

2621
02:27:47,840 --> 02:27:52,480
Speaker 4: a one, Game, scenario look nothing would utterly shock me

2622
02:27:52,600 --> 02:27:55,640
Speaker 4: here because it's just. One performance We've seen okase guys

2623
02:27:56,360 --> 02:27:59,720
Speaker 4: lose by Forty, to minnesota then the next game win, by,

2624
02:27:59,760 --> 02:28:02,840
Speaker 4: four right so we've. Seen them we're Sending in indiana

2625
02:28:03,520 --> 02:28:07,200
Speaker 4: lose by, you know loosed by thirty points the. Other

2626
02:28:07,360 --> 02:28:09,879
Speaker 4: night so this is a team that has a wide range.

2627
02:28:09,920 --> 02:28:13,840
Speaker 4: Of outcomes so the Thing, with indiana if you remember game.

2628
02:28:14,160 --> 02:28:17,440
Speaker 4: Game Free the cavaliers beat them on their home court by,

2629
02:28:17,520 --> 02:28:21,160
Speaker 4: forty points so one game anything. And that, but yeah

2630
02:28:21,160 --> 02:28:23,000
Speaker 4: obviously for the, ROLE players i do agree with that

2631
02:28:23,840 --> 02:28:28,880
Speaker 4: Analysis to anthony that it is obviously favors guys. Like

2632
02:28:28,959 --> 02:28:31,440
Speaker 4: that it's obviously a lot easier being at home with

2633
02:28:31,520 --> 02:28:33,440
Speaker 4: the home crowd behind you to be a little bit.

2634
02:28:33,480 --> 02:28:38,879
Speaker 2: More, productive yeah just to, get that like that crowd

2635
02:28:39,280 --> 02:28:42,120
Speaker 2: was FITTY and i never talked. About earlier when you

2636
02:28:42,959 --> 02:28:46,640
Speaker 2: when you go on, a run is when the, crowd

2637
02:28:46,840 --> 02:28:51,080
Speaker 2: really especially a Team, like okay say, good point because

2638
02:28:51,200 --> 02:28:54,920
Speaker 2: that's when they start to bury. Those, threes right That's

2639
02:28:54,959 --> 02:28:58,280
Speaker 2: when dort who who couldn't hit in the side of

2640
02:28:58,360 --> 02:29:02,720
Speaker 2: a barn, a yeah will knock. Down three and THAT'S

2641
02:29:02,720 --> 02:29:06,080
Speaker 2: why i get you, a, piece Right the, Wiggins PIECE

2642
02:29:06,160 --> 02:29:09,560
Speaker 2: like i Could, see wiggins he would be my pick to, go,

2643
02:29:09,800 --> 02:29:12,280
Speaker 2: off right say, GO off i mean get you? Twelve,

2644
02:29:12,320 --> 02:29:12,920
Speaker 2: POINTS yeah i.

2645
02:29:12,920 --> 02:29:15,720
Speaker 4: Get it he have aged thirteen during the. Regular season actually, Any,

2646
02:29:15,760 --> 02:29:18,800
Speaker 4: THINK yeah i didn't know he's that productive during the.

2647
02:29:18,800 --> 02:29:21,360
Speaker 4: Regular season, but yeah he's a guy that they certainly

2648
02:29:21,400 --> 02:29:24,080
Speaker 4: could use to have because, you're right there's so much PRESSURE.

2649
02:29:24,120 --> 02:29:27,920
Speaker 4: ON sga i mean there. Really is that's one of

2650
02:29:27,959 --> 02:29:30,560
Speaker 4: the good Things. ABOUT indiana i feel like their team's

2651
02:29:30,640 --> 02:29:33,960
Speaker 4: MORE like i feel like they have more guys that

2652
02:29:34,040 --> 02:29:38,480
Speaker 4: potentially can score than okayse where it's JUST like sga,

2653
02:29:38,720 --> 02:29:40,800
Speaker 4: and Yeah obviously williams had that game where he at

2654
02:29:40,840 --> 02:29:43,640
Speaker 4: the forty and he's a really. Good PLAYER but i

2655
02:29:43,720 --> 02:29:46,240
Speaker 4: feel like they've been struggling to score more consistently from

2656
02:29:46,400 --> 02:29:48,240
Speaker 4: the rest of their Team than. Indiana has.

2657
02:29:50,360 --> 02:29:53,840
Speaker 3: Oh is there any value IN series mvp? TYPE things,

2658
02:29:53,879 --> 02:29:55,800
Speaker 3: i mean we see those props. OUT there i just don't,

2659
02:29:55,840 --> 02:29:58,160
Speaker 3: know if like from a, professional standpoint do you care about?

2660
02:29:58,200 --> 02:30:01,840
Speaker 4: That stuff look? It AGAIN but i told, you that

2661
02:30:01,959 --> 02:30:04,680
Speaker 4: like it's Fun INTERESTING and i didn't even look to

2662
02:30:04,760 --> 02:30:08,200
Speaker 4: see what the. HUDs were And because i'm away, right

2663
02:30:08,280 --> 02:30:11,640
Speaker 4: NOW but i will say IF if tj McConnell was

2664
02:30:11,760 --> 02:30:13,640
Speaker 4: the year the igodol had one when they Had like

2665
02:30:13,920 --> 02:30:16,760
Speaker 4: Bran and Curry and clay and all, those guys and

2666
02:30:17,240 --> 02:30:21,600
Speaker 4: do you STILL? WANT mvp tj McConnell was like sitting

2667
02:30:21,600 --> 02:30:24,840
Speaker 4: at like two hundred, and one if he has one

2668
02:30:24,879 --> 02:30:27,560
Speaker 4: more good game and they win, THE game, i again

2669
02:30:27,720 --> 02:30:29,760
Speaker 4: hand In, THE bible i would vote. For him it's

2670
02:30:29,800 --> 02:30:33,200
Speaker 4: not this isn't Me exaggerating if you wanted to make

2671
02:30:33,240 --> 02:30:36,080
Speaker 4: a small pizza ball, on him obviously you need a,

2672
02:30:36,240 --> 02:30:39,200
Speaker 4: huge parlay You need indiana, to win and then you

2673
02:30:39,280 --> 02:30:41,879
Speaker 4: need ONE more, i mean he keeps playing these. Great

2674
02:30:41,920 --> 02:30:44,400
Speaker 4: games you need one more great game from him that

2675
02:30:44,520 --> 02:30:47,200
Speaker 4: happens to will either be Him or siakam so, To

2676
02:30:47,320 --> 02:30:50,280
Speaker 4: me so if you're looking for like a crazy, LONG

2677
02:30:50,360 --> 02:30:51,960
Speaker 4: shot i would go. Him, Now also i'll, say this

2678
02:30:52,040 --> 02:30:54,680
Speaker 4: if you Like, okay see let's say with the, money

2679
02:30:54,720 --> 02:30:56,920
Speaker 4: line let's wait in the laying minus two seventy and

2680
02:30:57,000 --> 02:30:59,360
Speaker 4: you Can find shay at minus two thirty TO. WIN

2681
02:30:59,480 --> 02:31:03,320
Speaker 4: mvp i would Gladly take shade to WIN m vp

2682
02:31:03,480 --> 02:31:06,119
Speaker 4: minus two thirty because if they win, the series he's

2683
02:31:06,160 --> 02:31:08,640
Speaker 4: going TO. Win mvp it's a way for you to

2684
02:31:08,840 --> 02:31:11,120
Speaker 4: Get okay se to win the game at seven minus

2685
02:31:11,160 --> 02:31:12,959
Speaker 4: two seventy minus. Two thirty.

2686
02:31:14,760 --> 02:31:17,080
Speaker 2: That's a good that's a. Great point that's a. Great,

2687
02:31:17,120 --> 02:31:20,760
Speaker 2: point yeah BECAUSE when i Say If jalen williams goes

2688
02:31:20,800 --> 02:31:24,440
Speaker 2: off for, another game he's not WAYING, be stga they

2689
02:31:24,440 --> 02:31:25,600
Speaker 2: don't do anything ABOUT S. G.

2690
02:31:25,720 --> 02:31:28,440
Speaker 4: A yeah I just, I can't i mean THAT would

2691
02:31:28,520 --> 02:31:32,000
Speaker 4: i think that Would Take jalen williams having like an

2692
02:31:32,080 --> 02:31:36,280
Speaker 4: all time moment Game and, shase STRUGGLING which i GET

2693
02:31:36,360 --> 02:31:38,800
Speaker 4: is i can't say, it's impossible BUT if i, could say,

2694
02:31:38,920 --> 02:31:42,039
Speaker 4: let's SAY as i said forty cents on the, MONEY

2695
02:31:42,120 --> 02:31:44,480
Speaker 4: line i Will say shay will probably know. WIN it

2696
02:31:44,520 --> 02:31:46,400
Speaker 4: i will win. It, unanimously, yeah.

2697
02:31:47,000 --> 02:31:51,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, ALL right i THINK for us Official, play, yeah

2698
02:31:51,959 --> 02:31:52,320
Speaker 2: look look.

2699
02:31:52,360 --> 02:31:55,160
Speaker 4: IT'S funny i there are a couple of things in.

2700
02:31:55,280 --> 02:31:59,400
Speaker 4: This game i'm actually gonna give. YOU again a lot

2701
02:31:59,440 --> 02:32:02,880
Speaker 4: of the value get sucked out as time, goes on

2702
02:32:03,000 --> 02:32:05,280
Speaker 4: and take sevens a. Lot HARDER but i do have

2703
02:32:05,520 --> 02:32:08,080
Speaker 4: two THINGS which I think. I Value miles turner IN

2704
02:32:08,120 --> 02:32:11,240
Speaker 4: these Nba playoffs Anthony and fitzy sixteen and four to

2705
02:32:11,360 --> 02:32:14,760
Speaker 4: under one and a, half threes he Just hasn't his minutes,

2706
02:32:14,800 --> 02:32:19,120
Speaker 4: Are down, he's struggling. Been ineffective i'm going under one

2707
02:32:19,120 --> 02:32:21,240
Speaker 4: and a Half Thres miles, turner again sixteen, and four and.

2708
02:32:21,360 --> 02:32:22,920
Speaker 4: HE isn't, i know he's gotten here once in, this

2709
02:32:23,040 --> 02:32:25,360
Speaker 4: series and his minutes to keep getting worse and worse.

2710
02:32:25,440 --> 02:32:28,920
Speaker 4: And Worse and i'm going To Go isaiah hartenstein's pra

2711
02:32:29,160 --> 02:32:32,000
Speaker 4: for EVERYONE listening praa points redouns TO the, sys combined

2712
02:32:32,480 --> 02:32:34,240
Speaker 4: we're going to go over thirteen and. A half he's

2713
02:32:34,280 --> 02:32:37,320
Speaker 4: actually started the last couple. Of, games NOW when i

2714
02:32:37,400 --> 02:32:39,640
Speaker 4: get the mathematics factory In what i'm expecting to get

2715
02:32:39,920 --> 02:32:42,400
Speaker 4: nineteen to, twenty minutes that thirteen and A half pr

2716
02:32:42,480 --> 02:32:45,039
Speaker 4: should be closer to sixteen sixteen and. A half it's.

2717
02:32:45,080 --> 02:32:47,840
Speaker 4: Too low take over thirty and. A Half isaiah hartenstein

2718
02:32:48,320 --> 02:32:51,800
Speaker 4: and then some baseball guys didn't love a toront. Of

2719
02:32:51,800 --> 02:32:56,400
Speaker 4: stuffday but there's THREE things. I liked Royals With noah

2720
02:32:56,480 --> 02:32:59,320
Speaker 4: cameron going against stale and seas like under four and

2721
02:32:59,360 --> 02:33:03,520
Speaker 4: the Five anymal cameron's been. Utterly dominant royals. Can't score

2722
02:33:03,760 --> 02:33:05,480
Speaker 4: don't think will be five run scored in. That game

2723
02:33:05,520 --> 02:33:08,040
Speaker 4: in the five, inning line we're gonna Get. The Phillies

2724
02:33:08,120 --> 02:33:11,000
Speaker 4: nick abel, OVER sorry, i think don't meant to hurt.

2725
02:33:11,000 --> 02:33:14,160
Speaker 4: Your feelings over four And it's hits a loud against

2726
02:33:14,200 --> 02:33:17,320
Speaker 4: a very very very VERY good. NETS lineup i. Think

2727
02:33:17,440 --> 02:33:20,320
Speaker 4: able this was his toughest match of his faced Born

2728
02:33:20,360 --> 02:33:22,720
Speaker 4: hath hits is usually reserved for The Elite all stars

2729
02:33:23,160 --> 02:33:25,080
Speaker 4: gets a little bit too much respect from. MC gabel

2730
02:33:25,320 --> 02:33:27,960
Speaker 4: i say he gives up five six or more, and

2731
02:33:28,120 --> 02:33:31,440
Speaker 4: last but, not least who Is A Burios Toronto blue

2732
02:33:31,520 --> 02:33:33,920
Speaker 4: jays twenty three to nine, last year ninety four his

2733
02:33:34,000 --> 02:33:37,000
Speaker 4: last thirteen this year pitching over seventeen ha f outs

2734
02:33:37,040 --> 02:33:39,560
Speaker 4: going against a Very important Chicago light, Sox lineup give

2735
02:33:39,640 --> 02:33:42,800
Speaker 4: me various over seventeen and a. Half outs, ALL right i.

2736
02:33:43,000 --> 02:33:46,879
Speaker 2: Like, you buddy great, Stuff listening, good, luck pal, all right.

2737
02:33:47,400 --> 02:33:48,800
Speaker 3: GOOD luck i appreciate my friend.

2738
02:33:48,840 --> 02:33:51,800
Speaker 2: Out there, all right there he is the brain. Checking,

2739
02:33:51,879 --> 02:33:55,560
Speaker 2: in well take quick, t out come right back and wrap,

2740
02:33:55,640 --> 02:33:58,879
Speaker 2: it up fellas right Here On Fox. Sports radio.

2741
02:34:00,879 --> 02:34:04,760
Speaker 3: Hear, Me Out. Anthony gargana they should play this as

2742
02:34:04,800 --> 02:34:09,520
Speaker 3: they as they Lift the Larry. O'Brien trophy think. ABOUT

2743
02:34:09,560 --> 02:34:13,520
Speaker 3: that i love. My way both of these teams did it.

2744
02:34:13,720 --> 02:34:15,520
Speaker 3: Their way, come on like there's just too.

2745
02:34:15,600 --> 02:34:21,960
Speaker 2: Much, cinnamento. Yes, TREMENDOUS yeah i think. YOU'RE right i think.

2746
02:34:22,040 --> 02:34:26,920
Speaker 2: That's tremendous, Cause yeah i'm down, with that completely down.

2747
02:34:26,959 --> 02:34:29,000
Speaker 3: With that, you know make Me the tzar of. All

2748
02:34:29,080 --> 02:34:31,800
Speaker 3: sports i'll fix. These things, YOU know I start i

2749
02:34:32,000 --> 02:34:33,680
Speaker 3: was just gonna Be the zar of. College Football now

2750
02:34:33,680 --> 02:34:34,840
Speaker 3: i'll take. It all i'll just take all.

2751
02:34:34,920 --> 02:34:37,120
Speaker 2: Of, IT yeah i think you should do all. Of

2752
02:34:37,200 --> 02:34:41,960
Speaker 2: it let me just be the schedule Maker that i'll

2753
02:34:42,040 --> 02:34:42,920
Speaker 2: generate revenue.

2754
02:34:43,000 --> 02:34:43,240
Speaker 4: For you.

2755
02:34:44,800 --> 02:34:45,320
Speaker 3: I'm in.

2756
02:34:45,520 --> 02:34:45,760
Speaker 4: For, that.

2757
02:34:47,920 --> 02:34:50,879
Speaker 2: Hey did you See what otani did the? Other? Day

2758
02:34:52,280 --> 02:34:53,600
Speaker 2: no what do? You do What do?

2759
02:34:53,760 --> 02:34:54,160
Speaker 3: Tony do?

2760
02:34:55,000 --> 02:34:57,800
Speaker 2: All right so you know that he. Gets hit you

2761
02:34:57,879 --> 02:35:03,440
Speaker 2: saw you can, get hit, got chippy right? And right

2762
02:35:03,840 --> 02:35:06,480
Speaker 2: and so they hit him at the end of. The

2763
02:35:06,640 --> 02:35:09,360
Speaker 2: game first he. Gets hit it's nasty and he could

2764
02:35:09,400 --> 02:35:13,440
Speaker 2: be out for. A while and. He's not, he's fine

2765
02:35:13,480 --> 02:35:18,200
Speaker 2: but it was, a nasty nasty fastball right right. At him,

2766
02:35:18,920 --> 02:35:23,879
Speaker 2: and emotions he's, like it writhing in pain and emotions

2767
02:35:24,080 --> 02:35:29,600
Speaker 2: to his bench to, stay, in like don't. Come out

2768
02:35:31,360 --> 02:35:36,760
Speaker 2: and then after the game he Approaches the padres dugout

2769
02:35:38,000 --> 02:35:42,840
Speaker 2: with his hands behind his back in the most non

2770
02:35:43,120 --> 02:35:50,160
Speaker 2: threatening manner and proceeds to talk To, THE dodgers i

2771
02:35:50,240 --> 02:35:53,560
Speaker 2: mean To the padres and then you seem shaking hands.

2772
02:35:53,560 --> 02:36:00,280
Speaker 2: With guys it was the, ultimate, like respectful japing ease

2773
02:36:00,400 --> 02:36:06,080
Speaker 2: culture at. Its best it was. Beautiful walk him walking

2774
02:36:06,160 --> 02:36:10,600
Speaker 2: over by himself to address the dugout with his hands

2775
02:36:11,360 --> 02:36:17,240
Speaker 2: behind his back. Was unbelievable theater that.

2776
02:36:17,480 --> 02:36:25,080
Speaker 3: Is so incredible and just. So authentic you KNOW what,

2777
02:36:25,120 --> 02:36:28,120
Speaker 3: I mean like it doesn't work for everybody in, that

2778
02:36:28,240 --> 02:36:33,119
Speaker 3: situation it works so well for him that that is really,

2779
02:36:33,480 --> 02:36:37,520
Speaker 3: that's special and that continues to just be. The, THEME

2780
02:36:37,600 --> 02:36:40,720
Speaker 3: look i Think Major league baseball has done a really nice,

2781
02:36:40,800 --> 02:36:44,280
Speaker 3: job of frankly, this year giving us not only an.

2782
02:36:44,400 --> 02:36:46,200
Speaker 3: ENTERTAINING product i don't know if, anyone saw But The

2783
02:36:46,240 --> 02:36:50,880
Speaker 3: father's day attendance numbers were absolutely. Insane incredible, you know

2784
02:36:51,760 --> 02:36:53,920
Speaker 3: the world spends so much time trying to, fix baseball

2785
02:36:54,000 --> 02:36:55,920
Speaker 3: like maybe a tip of the cap to the fact that,

2786
02:36:56,120 --> 02:36:57,720
Speaker 3: right now there's a lot of reasons to love it

2787
02:36:58,200 --> 02:37:00,080
Speaker 3: And show hayes a big one. Of those so like

2788
02:37:00,160 --> 02:37:04,440
Speaker 3: that that just speaks to why it's such a unique

2789
02:37:04,560 --> 02:37:09,280
Speaker 3: and interesting cultural story as well as a unique and interesting. Baseball, story,

2790
02:37:10,080 --> 02:37:12,000
Speaker 3: YEAH DUDE i, i yes everything.

2791
02:37:12,080 --> 02:37:15,280
Speaker 2: YOU said i freaking. LOVE it i. LOVED it i

2792
02:37:15,360 --> 02:37:18,600
Speaker 2: thought it was beautiful and. It was it was, all thick,

2793
02:37:19,440 --> 02:37:23,560
Speaker 2: wholly authentic, YOU know, i mean and the way their

2794
02:37:23,680 --> 02:37:26,760
Speaker 2: reaction like they're looking platters are looking at them, like

2795
02:37:27,560 --> 02:37:31,720
Speaker 2: wow this, is, nuts right and then they, got like,

2796
02:37:31,840 --> 02:37:36,359
Speaker 2: you know it shows you, the, power uh and the beauty,

2797
02:37:36,800 --> 02:37:44,280
Speaker 2: of that like, respecting kindness like there's a power in

2798
02:37:44,400 --> 02:37:51,120
Speaker 2: that that. IS beautiful i. LOVED it, i, like yeah,

2799
02:37:51,160 --> 02:37:54,720
Speaker 2: well yeah. We listen we're, you know we're, half, troglodytes

2800
02:37:54,800 --> 02:37:57,480
Speaker 2: right so we love, you know when guys get into

2801
02:37:57,520 --> 02:38:00,800
Speaker 2: it and the brawl and, the thuggery, and like, YOU know,

2802
02:38:01,040 --> 02:38:03,720
Speaker 2: i mean there's a reason why people like, hockey, Fights,

2803
02:38:04,000 --> 02:38:05,720
Speaker 2: right like, you know it's part of kind of who.

2804
02:38:05,760 --> 02:38:10,800
Speaker 2: We are but the other part of this is equally powerful,

2805
02:38:11,120 --> 02:38:14,520
Speaker 2: and beautiful which is when you see, This moment like

2806
02:38:15,320 --> 02:38:18,840
Speaker 2: anybody who hasn't, seen it just Go on twitter and.

2807
02:38:19,440 --> 02:38:22,400
Speaker 2: Find it you'll see. It anywhere you Can just google

2808
02:38:22,480 --> 02:38:26,880
Speaker 2: it and you'll. See it you'll, see it and it's an, awesome,

2809
02:38:27,000 --> 02:38:29,760
Speaker 2: moment man, really is and it puts you in a.

2810
02:38:29,840 --> 02:38:35,840
Speaker 3: Good mood, it also like, you mentioned sort of our

2811
02:38:35,959 --> 02:38:39,520
Speaker 3: love for. Violence sometimes but baseball there's such a love

2812
02:38:39,600 --> 02:38:42,320
Speaker 3: from the fans of what the game looks like and

2813
02:38:42,400 --> 02:38:44,080
Speaker 3: how the game, is played in the respect of the

2814
02:38:44,160 --> 02:38:46,360
Speaker 3: game and the honor of. THE game, i mean you,

2815
02:38:46,480 --> 02:38:49,040
Speaker 3: know that and to see somebody personify that in that

2816
02:38:49,120 --> 02:38:52,560
Speaker 3: way is really it's. Pretty amazing like it's the sort

2817
02:38:52,560 --> 02:38:54,920
Speaker 3: of thing you latch onto, and, say hey this is

2818
02:38:56,040 --> 02:38:59,760
Speaker 3: just cultural. Or not it's just such a respectful way to,

2819
02:38:59,800 --> 02:39:01,800
Speaker 3: do it and that just speaks to how so much

2820
02:39:01,840 --> 02:39:06,080
Speaker 3: of baseball fans want their sport to. BE consumed i think. It's, beautiful, yeah,

2821
02:39:06,240 --> 02:39:08,000
Speaker 3: brother yeah really really.

2822
02:39:08,040 --> 02:39:10,800
Speaker 2: Good stuff, All right so you were you're gonna go

2823
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Speaker 2: all the way pacers pacers By?

2824
02:39:13,879 --> 02:39:21,400
Speaker 3: Eight, wow, wow dude do? It well you, Know what

2825
02:39:21,440 --> 02:39:23,039
Speaker 3: i'm gonna lay a little cash on. It too i'm

2826
02:39:23,040 --> 02:39:23,480
Speaker 3: gonna lay a.

2827
02:39:23,480 --> 02:39:26,000
Speaker 2: Little cash talk about what's, FIVE hundred i, don't know

2828
02:39:26,240 --> 02:39:27,360
Speaker 2: three hundred something.

2829
02:39:27,440 --> 02:39:27,600
Speaker 4: Like that.

2830
02:39:28,800 --> 02:39:31,879
Speaker 2: That's, Fantastic anyway we love. You guys have a. Great

2831
02:39:31,920 --> 02:39:32,920
Speaker 2: week fellas are out