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Speaker 1: There's so much going on in in basketball. Thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for downloading this podcast. Um, Rex Walters joined me.

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Speaker 1: This is a two part It's a really long pod,

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Speaker 1: goes through his entire playing career, coaching career, and we'll

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Speaker 1: have back on for some more opinion stuff too as well.

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Speaker 1: Because having played and coach at the NBA level, playing

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Speaker 1: But I thought we get to him. I thought it'd

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Speaker 1: be great. So Rex Walters grew up in San Jose,

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Speaker 1: he went to Northwestern, transferred to Kansas, and there's a

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Speaker 1: Here's my sit down with the former San Francisco head coach.

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Speaker 1: You're a northern California guy, right, Like, is that was

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Speaker 1: that where you were when you like your whole childhood

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Speaker 1: growing up? Yeah, I'm a My father was in the

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Speaker 1: was born in Nebraska, we lived in Hawaii, uh Aurora, Colorado,

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Speaker 1: I was there all the way till I went to Northwestern.

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Speaker 1: So what was what was that like? Like San Jose

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Speaker 1: one of the things we do is we try and

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Speaker 1: view yesterday through the prism of today. Now, San Jose,

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Speaker 1: But it was different than what was it like for

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Speaker 1: of Asian people were living in East Side Sounds at

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Speaker 1: that time. Basketball was pretty good. It was pretty good,

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Speaker 1: not great, but pretty good. You know. My high school

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Speaker 1: but it wasn't. It wasn't like probably what you experienced

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Speaker 1: growing up. I played hoop every day, middle school, elementary

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Speaker 1: If you lost, you sat for a while. So you

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Speaker 1: They'd have pick up on Tuesdays and Thursdays go to

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Speaker 1: Al Jackson was always my PG because you know, it

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Speaker 1: So now life was good eastside San Jose, really good,

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Speaker 1: really good, Uh playing at Kansas. It's it's unbelievable. I mean,

424
00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 1: still Water is really good as well. Kansas is phenomenal.

425
00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:10,400
Speaker 1: The people, they're the fanfare, like, everything is phenomenal about Kansas.

426
00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:12,920
Speaker 1: So for a guy like me who coming from Sanday,

427
00:21:12,960 --> 00:21:15,320
Speaker 1: California basketball is not that big of a deal. Like

428
00:21:15,400 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 1: it was like basketball Heaven, like this is what it's

429
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,159
Speaker 1: all about. So it was, it was. It was a

430
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:24,440
Speaker 1: great year for me. If if if I was living

431
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,160
Speaker 1: in today's age, I would have left and gone pro.

432
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 1: I had a great year. I probably was gonna be

433
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:33,160
Speaker 1: ah somewhere where, you know, even lower than the sixteenth pick.

434
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:36,399
Speaker 1: But I came back and had a pretty good year

435
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:42,000
Speaker 1: my senior year. Um, what what was Royals like to

436
00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:46,520
Speaker 1: play for? In games? He was actually, I mean games

437
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,800
Speaker 1: were really good. Like he he he didn't get He

438
00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:53,119
Speaker 1: was very controlled, very calm. If he got on you,

439
00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:54,720
Speaker 1: it would be in a time out when no one

440
00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:57,160
Speaker 1: could see. Like I remember one time I was struggling

441
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 1: my senior year and I threw the towel right coming

442
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:00,840
Speaker 1: out of the time him out, like someone gave me

443
00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,440
Speaker 1: a town. I just threw it And all he did

444
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:05,080
Speaker 1: was just stare at me, you know, And and you know,

445
00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,080
Speaker 1: you do have the fear of God of coach Whims,

446
00:22:07,160 --> 00:22:10,720
Speaker 1: like I had the healthy fear of him, Like, yeah,

447
00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,760
Speaker 1: I got a lot of trouble in terms of just decisions,

448
00:22:13,800 --> 00:22:15,639
Speaker 1: you know, And he would kick me out of practice,

449
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:18,520
Speaker 1: like a little fellow, but man, he'd scared the crap

450
00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,960
Speaker 1: at mean, we didn't have too many long conversations, Like

451
00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:24,000
Speaker 1: there was a healthy fear of him. He would run us.

452
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,280
Speaker 1: He would run us into the ground. If you miss

453
00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,679
Speaker 1: class six am, you know, drop off in the middle

454
00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:32,359
Speaker 1: of Kansas, you'd have to run back before your class

455
00:22:32,440 --> 00:22:35,680
Speaker 1: was over. Like it was. It was different. And if

456
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:39,199
Speaker 1: you messed up in practice, if you gave attitude, if

457
00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,920
Speaker 1: you questioned the call, like and that's who I was, Like,

458
00:22:42,280 --> 00:22:44,880
Speaker 1: that's what I did. So I was always a little

459
00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,360
Speaker 1: bit of trouble. Not like you know, no drug, no alcohol,

460
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:50,200
Speaker 1: not staying out late, but just like but in games,

461
00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:54,679
Speaker 1: he was phenomenal in terms of not necessarily positive, but

462
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:57,440
Speaker 1: gives you confidence in terms of he believes in what

463
00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:02,879
Speaker 1: he's doing. He believes in Howard Um. I remember playing

464
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,919
Speaker 1: against I told the story like Anthony Peel, I think

465
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:09,400
Speaker 1: he had forty three my my junior year, and he said,

466
00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,000
Speaker 1: fellas he can score fifty, he ain't winning tonight, and

467
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,040
Speaker 1: it'd be a close game and we'll be up to

468
00:23:16,280 --> 00:23:19,760
Speaker 1: or down four three minutes to go. He looked at us, said, hey,

469
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:22,679
Speaker 1: isn't this fun? Like he was a master at those

470
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 1: things that would give you confidence, like you play relaxed

471
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,919
Speaker 1: and yet still confident. So now he was. He was

472
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,080
Speaker 1: a great coach for me, something I really needed as

473
00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 1: a as a young player. Um. Okay, so so you

474
00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:44,480
Speaker 1: get done, Um, you get done playing it at KU.

475
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:48,720
Speaker 1: What was the decision process like in terms of selecting agent.

476
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,560
Speaker 1: It's interesting. I think it's one of one of the

477
00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:56,600
Speaker 1: many ways that I have upset Coach Williams. So Bill

478
00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 1: Duffy had helped my AU coach getting stuff and get

479
00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: in touch with Kevin Installings. Um, but Kansas always had

480
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 1: or coach Williams had relationships with you know, Leaf Interests.

481
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 1: I want to say they were like Pro Serve at

482
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 1: the time, had a relationship with David Falk. You know,

483
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: Carolina had a lot of players probably going in that direction.

484
00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:20,400
Speaker 1: And I just felt a loyalty to Build Duffy because

485
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,679
Speaker 1: I knew and I never talked to Bill, like I

486
00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,439
Speaker 1: just knew that Ruben had used Bill to get to

487
00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:31,119
Speaker 1: Kevin Stallings. And so coach Williams how he manages it,

488
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,399
Speaker 1: which was really good. Like we don't talk about agents

489
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: through the whole senior season, don't don't even address it.

490
00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:38,280
Speaker 1: Don't talk about it. And then at the end of

491
00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:40,280
Speaker 1: the season and says, hey, okay, there's all the mail

492
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Speaker 1: I'm getting from agents. I've got it down rex to

493
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,240
Speaker 1: about five. I don't know what you've got, but if

494
00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 1: you've got some guys that that you know of, please

495
00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,480
Speaker 1: bring them to the table. Then it got down to

496
00:24:52,520 --> 00:24:56,439
Speaker 1: about four people for people that that and one was

497
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,000
Speaker 1: Leaf Interests, one was it wasn't David Fox. I want

498
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 1: to say it was Mike Higgins, but he worked for

499
00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:05,520
Speaker 1: falk Mark Barters, Bartle Steam from Party Sports. And then

500
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 1: Bill Duffy, and I want to say Aaron Goodman I

501
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:10,679
Speaker 1: came into they were both together at the time. We

502
00:25:10,760 --> 00:25:12,960
Speaker 1: sit down with all of them. We meet at the

503
00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 1: old I want to say it's the Eldridge Hotel in Lawrence, Kansas.

504
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 1: Each one goes through their spiel, tells us what they're

505
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,440
Speaker 1: gonna do for us, for me, And then I thought

506
00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,120
Speaker 1: about it and I called it. I was at Benny

507
00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:29,920
Speaker 1: Hannah Benny Hannah Um that spring summer and I said, hey, coach,

508
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with duff I'm gonna go with Bill Duffy.

509
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: I remember Coach Williams just saiding saying to me like, yeah,

510
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,120
Speaker 1: that's not what I would do, but I respect your decision,

511
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:42,679
Speaker 1: you know, um, you know, go ahead and do what

512
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,960
Speaker 1: you feel his best. So that's how I went with Duff.

513
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:47,919
Speaker 1: But I've been through agents, and I went through Duff

514
00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 1: and Duff and Aaron Goodwin split. I went with Aaron,

515
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,600
Speaker 1: and then I was with Aaron for a while. I

516
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:57,120
Speaker 1: mean he Aaron had guys, he had Jason Kidd, Damon Stott, Ameyer,

517
00:25:57,400 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 1: like every good point guard. I'm like, I'm really low

518
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:02,280
Speaker 1: on that pecking order. I need to maybe think about someone,

519
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,200
Speaker 1: I said. I went with Mark Bartelstein, but I really

520
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 1: liked Mark. He was a one guy, had no affiliation

521
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,040
Speaker 1: with my father, really liked them, and I stayed with

522
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: Mark pretty much my whole career as an NBA player.

523
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: Did a good job for me. And then uh yeah,

524
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: so I went through three agents as an NBA player,

525
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: and market market a great job, got me some good contracts,

526
00:26:22,040 --> 00:26:24,880
Speaker 1: got me down to Miami after all, and he knew

527
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:27,400
Speaker 1: I was being released by the Sixers and already had

528
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,480
Speaker 1: a place for me in Miami, and then even got

529
00:26:30,480 --> 00:26:32,919
Speaker 1: me a couple of jobs overseason. Mark from Priority and

530
00:26:33,080 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 1: nothing against Duff or Anger. They did a good job.

531
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:37,520
Speaker 1: I just I thought they were too big for me

532
00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:39,720
Speaker 1: at the time. And Mark was at that time more

533
00:26:39,760 --> 00:26:42,480
Speaker 1: about your mid and low level players in the NBA.

534
00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 1: And he would call and he would watch games and

535
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 1: we could talk basketball. And I really liked that. And

536
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: with with Aaron, who's good dude, and Duff, like I

537
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,159
Speaker 1: just knew when you got Jason, you know all these players,

538
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,680
Speaker 1: Gary Payton, like, there's no way in the world. I'm

539
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:00,560
Speaker 1: very high on the pecking order. And and that's really

540
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: the reason why I decided to leave those guys. You're

541
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,200
Speaker 1: getting ready for the draft A well, do you remember

542
00:27:08,200 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: about the process? The process? You know? Back then they

543
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 1: had the old Desert Classic in Phoenix. So I played

544
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: in the Desert Classic player on a good team. Del

545
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 1: Harris was our coach, was a great coach for me.

546
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,399
Speaker 1: Nick van Exel was on the team as one, and

547
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 1: Nick and I and I mean Nick probably Nichols. Nick's

548
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 1: one of those guys that could make shots, like just

549
00:27:28,160 --> 00:27:30,560
Speaker 1: make shots of many were bank big shots. But I

550
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,160
Speaker 1: played really well, really well. I was solid. I proved

551
00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: that I could play a little bit of point. I

552
00:27:37,040 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: went to Chicago for the pre draft. But at that point,

553
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,800
Speaker 1: Duff and Aaron were like, you don't really need to

554
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,359
Speaker 1: play if you don't want to. I don't know. I

555
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,879
Speaker 1: probably should have played, but I didn't. I just didn't.

556
00:27:47,040 --> 00:27:49,040
Speaker 1: But I went through the physicals and all that stuff.

557
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,959
Speaker 1: They got me a few little signing deals, baseball car

558
00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,320
Speaker 1: card signing deals, stuff like that. They told me, hey,

559
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: you're gonna be either with Nike or Adidas, will take

560
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: care of your shoe situation. I ended up going to

561
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 1: Reebok Believe and went to Chicago, stayed home for the draft.

562
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 1: So it's so funny, like San Jose. I'm I'm staying

563
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: in San Jose with my parents. I read the morning

564
00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: paper the day of the draft. They don't even have

565
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,720
Speaker 1: me getting drafted. I'm like, how is that even possible?

566
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 1: Like I just went to a Final four, had a

567
00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 1: really good season. Don't get it, but I don't go

568
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,320
Speaker 1: to the draft. I have all my friends come over

569
00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 1: to the house. I'm locking myself in my parents bedroom

570
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,159
Speaker 1: so I could watch the draft by myself because I

571
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: don't want them seeing me react positively or negatively to

572
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 1: getting picked or not getting picked. We we got drafted,

573
00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,160
Speaker 1: got a phone call from Willis read talk to Chuck Daily,

574
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: my name's called. We go to Tony Roma's, get some ribs.

575
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:51,840
Speaker 1: I had already purchased a car, got my Alexis. We

576
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: had a really good night. Um it was it was

577
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,760
Speaker 1: a good day. That was That was a really good day.

578
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: In about three or four days later, I eye out

579
00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 1: because it's the start of Summer League at west Chester.

580
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 1: Remember going out there playing in Summer League with p J. Brown,

581
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: who ended up being a good friend and a really

582
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 1: good team that we played together in Miami as well.

583
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 1: Won a lot of games. I think we lost in

584
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: the finals to Milwaukee's team who had Todd Daily Mayberry,

585
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: I love I love that you and Antonia they still

586
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: there was a good memory, saying it's good because all

587
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:27,960
Speaker 1: my friends and family. You know, my brother was there,

588
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:30,480
Speaker 1: my my father was there for the draft, and then

589
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: all my boys, all the guys that I grew up

590
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:36,880
Speaker 1: and again I'm have Japanese so Rob Moriam, Derek Moone,

591
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: all my boys, just having a good time knowing that, Hey,

592
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 1: I still haven't worked the day in my life, but

593
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: but you know, life is good. I don't have to

594
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:48,720
Speaker 1: worry about money. I know what I'm doing with myself

595
00:29:49,440 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 1: going to Jersey, which wasn't something I was crazy about.

596
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 1: It wasn't crazy about going to Jersey. But you know,

597
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: great team. Derek Coleman. I just saw him the other night.

598
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:00,680
Speaker 1: He was at my son's high school basketball game can Anderson.

599
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: They just lost. So it's okay. So you you're a

600
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 1: rookie in the NBA in Jersey, Yes, and you guys

601
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: are very This was a talented team. Where'd you live? Like,

602
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: how do you decide where you're gonna live? Agent helped

603
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: with all that stuff. Bill duff me flew out there

604
00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 1: with me, helped me get another car, helped me get

605
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: my my second car, Jeep Grand Cherokee. What color? It

606
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 1: was a black, black and gold Jeep Grant Grand chairs nice.

607
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: It was very nice for the snow. And then he,

608
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:35,880
Speaker 1: you know, he makes phone calls where the players live.

609
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: So I lived in apartments, I want to say it was.

610
00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:41,959
Speaker 1: It was called the Excelsior. It was like one fifty

611
00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: Prospect Avenue. I remember, um gosh, I'm righty like a

612
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: lot of hockey players. And I Ed Lover lived there too.

613
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,680
Speaker 1: That's one thing I remember. I don't remember Ed Lover.

614
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: You had the Ed lover Dance. He lived there, Jason

615
00:30:56,760 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: Williams lived there, A lot of the players lived there.

616
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: David Westley lived there, and so yeah, he found me

617
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:09,160
Speaker 1: the apartment. It was a two bedroom and looking over

618
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: just you know, you know, Jersey like not not not

619
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 1: a great view, but it was on the water like

620
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:21,400
Speaker 1: you're you're a teaenmaker, like because hackensacks a little bit up.

621
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 1: So you gotta, you gotta really hope it's a clear

622
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 1: day to see the Hudson. It's gotta be a really

623
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: clear day. And they were in a lot of those

624
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: in Jersey. And and and who's your coach? Chuck Dailey?

625
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,760
Speaker 1: Chuck Dailey was my rookie coach. We probably said ten

626
00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: words the whole season. We didn't talk. I mean, he

627
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,040
Speaker 1: he knew what he wanted to do. They had signed

628
00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: Kevin Edwards to try to replace Kent Draws and Petrick,

629
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 1: which Kevin was a really good player. He wasn't Draws

630
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: in Petrick. But no offense to Kevin. Hack of a player.

631
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 1: And you know, we had solid teams. We went to

632
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: went to the playoffs, lost, the lost of the nixt

633
00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:58,480
Speaker 1: my my rookie year. And then but but but but

634
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:00,840
Speaker 1: but think of think about all this stuff, right like

635
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: you have, he said Jason Williams, Right, I mean we

636
00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: know what happened with him with the shotgun. You know

637
00:32:06,720 --> 00:32:09,920
Speaker 1: you're drowsing Petrovitch, you tragically died to car accident. David

638
00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:13,480
Speaker 1: Wesley like you have, these are and of course Jack

639
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: Deally is the coach of the Bad Boys, the coach

640
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,160
Speaker 1: of the dream team, like these are some. This is

641
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 1: some unbelievable. There's unbelievable people kind of coming together. What

642
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:26,080
Speaker 1: was my interactions with d c or I don't know

643
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: anybody who doesn't like Derrek Coleman, no question, literally, like

644
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 1: he's one of those guys. And I would also, if

645
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: I was being honest, maybe could have been one of

646
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: the great players in the history of the NBA. I

647
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: don't I don't know why it didn't translate to being

648
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: as good as his his talent. What was what was Deman?

649
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:47,440
Speaker 1: Like Derek and you're right about Derek, like his teammates

650
00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: loved him. He was an absolute no bs guy in

651
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,000
Speaker 1: terms of he said exactly what he thought and felt,

652
00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: whether it was good or bad. Like I remember, they

653
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: offered him a con trek for sixty nine million, and

654
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:04,840
Speaker 1: he thought that that wasn't enough, so he bought all

655
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: of us T shirts with the sixty nine and it

656
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 1: had the Ghostbusters like No, No, No, sixty nine like

657
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: and so he would come to practice and and you know,

658
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,239
Speaker 1: some days he felt like practice some days, but he

659
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: was a phenomenal, like the best hands I've ever seen.

660
00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 1: If he was playing in today's day, he would be

661
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,959
Speaker 1: a guy that was your super skilled four play some five,

662
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,560
Speaker 1: can shoot threes, could post up cold, handle, could pass it.

663
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: You know the reason why, A lot of reasons why,

664
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,080
Speaker 1: Like Chuck was like the perfect coach for him. I

665
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 1: think Derek had great respect for Chuck. I remember in

666
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: the time out, Derek sitting there and Chuck starting to

667
00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 1: diagram some stuff up and Derek's like, man, quit running

668
00:33:47,120 --> 00:33:50,080
Speaker 1: that bullshit, like just give me the ball. And then

669
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:51,480
Speaker 1: Chuck just looked at him. He's like, well, what do

670
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 1: you want to run Derek? And Derek just kind of

671
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,640
Speaker 1: looked at him. He's like, no, no, you got this.

672
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:57,800
Speaker 1: You know, I kind of like respect, you know what

673
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: I mean, Like I don't think that necessarily all He's

674
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: happened with all of Derek's coaches. So when when Chuck left,

675
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: I think That did impact Derek as a player because

676
00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: because he could hold Derek accountable and he knew the

677
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 1: line that was there with Derek, and so he was

678
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,040
Speaker 1: gonna try to push the line further, but he was

679
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: never gonna go over the line at that time, if

680
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 1: that makes sense. But you know, losing drawsic also heard

681
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,640
Speaker 1: Derek because when you have great players, it's like all

682
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: you know, everything raises when you have great players around you.

683
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:29,359
Speaker 1: He had Kenny Anderson, great player, you know, like there

684
00:34:29,400 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 1: was no way in the world I was going to

685
00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: try to replace or could replace Draws and Petrick. I

686
00:34:32,920 --> 00:34:35,080
Speaker 1: was a good player, a really good college player, but

687
00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:37,399
Speaker 1: I wasn't Draws in Petrick. Kevin Etwards was a really

688
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: good NBA player, but he wasn't Draws and Petrick. So

689
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 1: all those things and Derek, like Derek said exactly what

690
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: was on his mind and could be intimidating to the press.

691
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: He was phenomenal to his teammates, but he could be

692
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: intimidating to the press, like kind of like Russell Westbrook

693
00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: like would intimidate the press, and that's what Derek did.

694
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:58,200
Speaker 1: So he would never have the media necessarily on the side,

695
00:34:58,239 --> 00:35:00,520
Speaker 1: and he didn't care to be honest with you didn't

696
00:35:00,520 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 1: care about that. But you know, we had we had

697
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:07,400
Speaker 1: a crew Derek, I mean, Jason Williams, Kenny Anderson, Dwayne CHANSI,

698
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 1: Rick mulhorne, but annoy, like come on man, like that

699
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: that there wasn't a lot of character check in terms of, hey,

700
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: we want to bring in all high character guys and

701
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:21,479
Speaker 1: they're good dudes, Like I've never been around a bad dude,

702
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,400
Speaker 1: but they like to have fun. They probably made some mistakes.

703
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: We all do, and so that that that was really

704
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: coming from Kansas, that was like an eye opener about

705
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 1: is this really what the NBA is like, because this

706
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: is Remember we're coming back from training camp and it's

707
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: a full fledge like you wonder why guys getting an

708
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: automobile accidents? You know, I know David wasn't a rough one.

709
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: It was like everyone's racing. Guys are going hundred miles

710
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 1: an hour down you know, the Jersey Turnpike. I remember

711
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 1: the police pulls out, Derek swerves to the left back

712
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: of the lane like that was like we just it

713
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: was crazy. It was just full on crazy, practical jokes,

714
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,840
Speaker 1: knocking on guys doors, breaking in the guy's rooms, you know,

715
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 1: like Jason was one time he he uh roll tape

716
00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,520
Speaker 1: over the windshow wipers of Rick Mahorney always had a

717
00:36:12,520 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 1: problem with Rick Mhorne. Him and Rick Mhorne used Jason

718
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,239
Speaker 1: Uson tell me, would always tell him because Jason could

719
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 1: remember plays right, he couldn't, so Rick mchorne when he

720
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,760
Speaker 1: was in Philly would always tell Jason the wrong place

721
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: to be when he went out in the court, and

722
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: then of course stuffed out horn would go in. You know,

723
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 1: like so that was that team. That team was was

724
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: wild to say the least. Uh Okay Duane Sensus what

725
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: was like the last thing image to a basketball fan

726
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: or somebody who like, at the time I'm in high school,

727
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: he had that He's a giant dude, played at Florida

728
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 1: Big Mullet. But I don't remember any I don't. I

729
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 1: can't tell you anything about him as a player. What

730
00:36:58,200 --> 00:37:02,879
Speaker 1: was what he was? He was a skilled guy. It's

731
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 1: funny because you hear all these things about how crazy

732
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 1: Shin was. He was funny. He had lost confidence when

733
00:37:11,160 --> 00:37:12,880
Speaker 1: he got to the NBA, and you know how it is.

734
00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: You lose confidence as a player, you're like a totally

735
00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: different guy than everyone thought you were like really really funny,

736
00:37:20,680 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: really smart, had a good heart, like he remember he

737
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: wrote on the back of his shoes like Rex, I'm

738
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: not getting a shoe deal. So on the back of

739
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: his shoes he put down air shin, you know, air

740
00:37:30,360 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: on one side, shin on the other. But just he

741
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 1: lost his confidence and at that point he was just

742
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 1: trying to hang on and stay in the league. But

743
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: like really good dude, good heart. You know, you know

744
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:45,920
Speaker 1: he passed away, and that's really sad. But all the

745
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,480
Speaker 1: things you've read about how crazy he was at Florida

746
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 1: and how he would go at people, and I didn't

747
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: see any of that. He had lost something along the way.

748
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: And that's what the NBA will do to you, Like

749
00:37:57,120 --> 00:38:00,960
Speaker 1: you're going against sharks, you're going against like killers, and

750
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 1: if you don't have that confidence or you lose your confidence,

751
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:06,759
Speaker 1: it's like blood in the water. And I think that

752
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:11,360
Speaker 1: he felt that for whatever reason, and could never really

753
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 1: carve out a career from stuff that was. I mean,

754
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 1: he was legit seven seven plus, could shoot the ball,

755
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:20,759
Speaker 1: but something just happened, and I don't know what it was,

756
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 1: to be honest with you, honestly, that that's incredibly interesting

757
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 1: because I agree with you. I would say that's what

758
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 1: happened to me, is you you lose that confidence and dudes, no,

759
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: and you know, like for me, he was shooting right

760
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: and they all that, they just call you out, you know,

761
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,960
Speaker 1: right right there and there. You have to have unbelievable

762
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: That's the thing that people I don't think recognize enough

763
00:38:44,960 --> 00:38:48,320
Speaker 1: about Steph Curry, you know, is that among the things

764
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 1: he has, he has this remarkable self confidence where you

765
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,200
Speaker 1: can literally miss ten and think he's gonna hit the

766
00:38:56,200 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: next one, and um, but you had that, you naturally

767
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:03,759
Speaker 1: had that. You mentioned a chip on your shoulder. I mean,

768
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:07,200
Speaker 1: those are things that nrupt some people the wrong way.

769
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 1: But you're not gonna make it unless you have that.

770
00:39:09,800 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: How did you keep it when you, like, you go

771
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,600
Speaker 1: to the NBA and you're not playing that much, you

772
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: cut your Chuck Daley. That depends like you don't exist

773
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 1: because you're a rookie. How did you maintain yourself confortace? Yeah,

774
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:23,640
Speaker 1: it's hard. It's a challenge. And you know, when an

775
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: organization believes you, and there are some guys that doesn't matter,

776
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,839
Speaker 1: like you. You can believe in me, not believe in me.

777
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. Some guys like I was, I was

778
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: called into I had to question myself sometimes, and even

779
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:38,719
Speaker 1: like towards the latter part of my career, like my

780
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:43,359
Speaker 1: last year in Miami, like Coach Riley had decided, Hey,

781
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 1: I'm playing Anthony Carter over you. We think he's got

782
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,120
Speaker 1: a chance to be really good. And it really hurt me.

783
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 1: Like that's when it hurt me. Because every day in practice,

784
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,239
Speaker 1: Doug like I'm gonna kill Anthony Carter and the starters.

785
00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: Every day I'm gonna make it. And I wasn't just

786
00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,879
Speaker 1: a quiet I wasn't like John Stock, you know, quiet boy,

787
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:03,680
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna say like I was gonna say something. And

788
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,960
Speaker 1: it drove Coach Riley crazy. So really, you know, and

789
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: I didn't have a great career, at a very average,

790
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 1: blow average career, but I for some reason, I never lost.

791
00:40:13,200 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: And I think some of that was because of my

792
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:17,480
Speaker 1: work ethic. Some of that because of my father and

793
00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:21,280
Speaker 1: my father, you know, pushing me and always being honest

794
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: with me. And I always had to have that chip

795
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,400
Speaker 1: because I didn't come you know, I didn't come from

796
00:40:27,440 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 1: you know, a basketball area. I didn't sound was like

797
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:32,319
Speaker 1: nobody knows any players from San Jose. They just don't

798
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 1: come out of there. So I always had a chip

799
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: on my shoulder and that really helped me, but it

800
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:38,799
Speaker 1: also hurt me because I probably could have played a

801
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:42,919
Speaker 1: few more years. I remember we're in Seattle. We're good,

802
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:45,320
Speaker 1: like Miami's good. Timmy Hardaway's out. So I'm playing a

803
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: little bit. But still I'm like I should be starting,

804
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:51,279
Speaker 1: I should be playing more. This is some bs, Like

805
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: I don't get it. And finally Riley just called me

806
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,359
Speaker 1: in and he said, hey, man, like I just want

807
00:40:56,360 --> 00:40:59,320
Speaker 1: to let you know I can't cut I can't trade

808
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 1: you nobody he wants you right, but I can cut you.

809
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 1: And I was like that's the like the tears, like

810
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: tears kind of rolled up in my eyes, like damn

811
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,919
Speaker 1: this dude, Like really and he was just doing his job.

812
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: I respect that. I love pat Riley, but it's because

813
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 1: like every day I was out to prove I should play,

814
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: but not just with my play. I would say something

815
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 1: and he's like, you're tearing down, Like he was trying

816
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:25,520
Speaker 1: to tell me that you're tearing down the fabric of

817
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: our team. It's about the team first, and you're worried

818
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,680
Speaker 1: about your career, but he ended up cutting me, like

819
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: maybe a month and a half later, they signed Bruce Brown.

820
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: Was the right move. Bruce was a good player for them.

821
00:41:36,640 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 1: They got rid of me, and it hurt me because

822
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,520
Speaker 1: they had younger players that I knew weren't as good

823
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,759
Speaker 1: as me. But you know, within an organization, they're trying

824
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:45,879
Speaker 1: to always build and build up guys. So I got

825
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:50,239
Speaker 1: let go and played overseas in Spain. But that's when

826
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: my confidence and my edge like hurt me. It hurt

827
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: me in Philly. Like in Philadelphia, Larry Brown wanted me

828
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,799
Speaker 1: to put on put me on the injured list, and

829
00:41:59,800 --> 00:42:01,839
Speaker 1: I was like, hell, no, I'm not injured, Like why

830
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 1: would I go on the injured list? And he's like well,

831
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,800
Speaker 1: and he would never talk. You'd always send an assistant,

832
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 1: which I didn't respect at all, like mo Chikus, John Custer.

833
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:11,640
Speaker 1: Like they'd always go, hey Rex, Larry, watch on the

834
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:14,800
Speaker 1: on the injury list and I'm like, I'm not injured.

835
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:16,919
Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, we need to play our draft picks,

836
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: we need to play our younger guys. Are like, well,

837
00:42:18,600 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: then play him, but I'm not going on the injured list.

838
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 1: So you can put a guy on better then you know,

839
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:25,600
Speaker 1: on the active roster. So they ended up cutting me.

840
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 1: You know, Mark knew what Mark Barlson knew was gonna happen.

841
00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,359
Speaker 1: They cut me. I signed ten days later with Miami Heat.

842
00:42:30,960 --> 00:42:34,399
Speaker 1: You know, so all that confidence actually kind of hurt

843
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: me because I I probably could have played ten to

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Speaker 1: have just kept my mouth shut, did what they asked

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Speaker 1: me to do. But that's really not who I was

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Speaker 1: and what I was about, if that makes sense. It's

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Speaker 1: all the unbelievable. It's like you wouldn't have made it

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Speaker 1: if you didn't have the confidence, but you but you

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Speaker 1: would have stuck longer if you would have been able

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Speaker 1: to manage it and manage or you know how you

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Speaker 1: handled it right. Like it's a because I can tell

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Speaker 1: you the other way around. If you don't have a comments,

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Speaker 1: you got no shot to make it right. You just don't.

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Speaker 1: And then so so it's like you have to maintain it,

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Speaker 1: but you have to manage it um and maybe that's

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Speaker 1: what you you didn't do. What was who was your

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Speaker 1: favorite teammate you had during your seven years? I had

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Speaker 1: some great teammates, like I I've never had a bad teammate, like,

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Speaker 1: not one. P J Brown, because I played with him

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Speaker 1: probably the longest. PJ was just a great team guy,

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Speaker 1: great defender. Would always come up to me and like

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Speaker 1: what do you think about that? Though, Like, you know,

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Speaker 1: because Coach Ryan would have these thirty minute speeches, you know,

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Speaker 1: and they would they would be pointed and in depth

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Speaker 1: and coming at you, you know. So I was enjoyed

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Speaker 1: spending time with p J. You know. But I had

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Speaker 1: great teammates like Derek Coleman was a great teammate. Rick

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Speaker 1: mchorne was a great teammate. Jason Williams was a phenomenal,

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Speaker 1: phenomenal teammate, a little crazy, right we I still talked

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Speaker 1: to j this day, a little crazy, great teammate. And

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Speaker 1: then I go to Philly. Allen Iverson was a phenomenal teammate.

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Speaker 1: Jerry stack I was good teammate, you know. Jimmy Jackson,

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Speaker 1: good teammate, like they were all and they were always

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Speaker 1: happy for me when I got picked up by Mimi.

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Speaker 1: Remember Jimmy and Jerry are like, man, this show worked

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Speaker 1: out good for you, Like we'd love to be down here,

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Speaker 1: you know, So like people care about each other, and

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Speaker 1: you know, it's not like I ever formed like really

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Speaker 1: close relationship. P J was probably the closest tim Hardaway

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Speaker 1: great teammate along the Morning phenomenal teammate Jamal Mashburn. I

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Speaker 1: mean people think people don't understand NBA players, like you've

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Speaker 1: already talked about you gotta have an unbelievable confidence. I

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Speaker 1: also think NBA players feel like people always want something

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Speaker 1: from them. I never experienced that. I'm six three, I'm white,

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Speaker 1: I don't look like an NBA player, so people weren't

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Speaker 1: always coming at me and my parents. I've come from

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Speaker 1: a little class family. You know. My brother and sister

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Speaker 1: never wanted stuff from me. My friends never wanted stuff

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Speaker 1: for me. But NBA players, I think sometimes that that applies,

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Speaker 1: and so they always have people you're a little guarded.

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Speaker 1: That makes sense. But I had great a great point, honestly,

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Speaker 1: at great point that I don't think enough people articulate.

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Speaker 1: You know, It's like like every time you get a

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Speaker 1: call or attacks for nobody, it's it's it's eventually for something,

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Speaker 1: you know, tickets, shoes, a favor, etcetera. You're you're gonna

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Speaker 1: be less open with always returning text and always returning

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Speaker 1: phone calls. That's it's a great point. It's a great point.

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Speaker 1: And I think I love all those guys like but

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Speaker 1: but yeah, I can understand why, you know, I sat.

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Speaker 1: You know, Derek was at the game. He he was

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Speaker 1: there to support his high school coach, one of his mentors,

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Speaker 1: and nobody really messed with him. He's six nine, he's big, like,

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Speaker 1: you know, in good shape, big like that's intimidating. And

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Speaker 1: on top of that, he's got a scout. But the

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Speaker 1: dude is a great, great guy. Like I see him,

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Speaker 1: we give a hug to each other. We you know,

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Speaker 1: visit it about five minutes. But I'm over there looking

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Speaker 1: and nobody knows who I am. I can go to

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Speaker 1: the game and nobody knows who I am. But with him,

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Speaker 1: I'm like, you would think these all these kids will

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Speaker 1: be asking him for his autograph, you know, and it's

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Speaker 1: like they're a little intimidated, and the dude has got

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Speaker 1: the best heart in the world. Yeah, well that great.

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Speaker 1: That's part one. That's part one. We'll get you part

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Speaker 1: two very very in very short order. In the meantime,

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