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Speaker 1: All right, Alex Fetski, good friend and co author with

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Speaker 1: to demoralize. I think it's even in Rules for Radicals

435
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Speaker 1: and it's like demoralize the enemy, right, and it's like,

436
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Speaker 1: so it seems like a tactic, and it seems like

437
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Speaker 1: it's been working.

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Speaker 3: I guess, well.

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Speaker 2: It's been working. But that's why I was talking about

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Speaker 2: the warrior archetype before, is it works on something like

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Speaker 2: it works on it works on those who either don't

442
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Speaker 2: have the warrior gene or don't have that wherewithal within them.

443
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Speaker 2: And I'm sorry that sounds like eleaders, that sounds harsh,

444
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Speaker 2: it sounds all that sort of stuff, but I fundamentally

445
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Speaker 2: believe it. Some of us were not demoralized by this,

446
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Speaker 2: or maybe some of us went through periods of demoralization,

447
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Speaker 2: but you know what we did, we picked ourselves up

448
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Speaker 2: and we did something about it. Like you know, this

449
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Speaker 2: is why I don't believe in things like depression. You know,

450
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Speaker 2: depression is not something you have. It's not a syndrome.

451
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Speaker 2: It's not a fucking label. Depression is something you do

452
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Speaker 2: and you get depression, or you do depression by focusing

453
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Speaker 2: on the things you can't control, focusing on the things

454
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Speaker 2: that don't matter, focusing on everything that's wrong.

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Speaker 4: So like, depression is.

456
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Speaker 2: Literally an act, right Whereas if you direct your mind,

457
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Speaker 2: and if you understand that you are, you know, you're

458
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Speaker 2: an agent, you're in control, you have some level of

459
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Speaker 2: control over how you direct all.

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Speaker 4: Of these things.

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Speaker 2: You can remoralize.

462
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Speaker 4: Yourself, and it's up to you.

463
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Speaker 2: It's not up to I don't know Trump for that matter,

464
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Speaker 2: to do that. Like he's once again he's a symbol.

465
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Speaker 2: He's out there, he is. He remoralized himself really quickly

466
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Speaker 2: after being shot in the ear, and you knows his

467
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Speaker 2: example should be an example for the rest of us.

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Speaker 1: But would you say, would you say also part of

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Speaker 1: it is like these people who are demoralized and what

470
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Speaker 1: does it matter?

471
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Speaker 3: Blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: What it seems like maybe a big mistake that's happening

473
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Speaker 1: is they're putting their faith into somebody Trump or RFK

474
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Speaker 1: or whatever, Kamala. Now they're gonna save us. And when

475
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Speaker 1: they don't do the to your point earlier micro management

476
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Speaker 1: task to save us, then I've lost my faith in

477
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Speaker 1: that person. But the role is not to save us,

478
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Speaker 1: but rather to inspire us.

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Speaker 4: That's always been the role of the leader.

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Speaker 2: So, like you and I have both run businesses, what

481
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Speaker 2: does a good business own to do well? First of all,

482
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Speaker 2: he doesn't do everything himself. He finds good people and

483
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Speaker 2: then he he sets the pace. He leads, he delegates,

484
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Speaker 2: he trusts, he encourages, he trains, he does all of

485
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Speaker 2: these things, and that's essentially the role of a leader.

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Speaker 2: And again I'm really harsh with people who are even demoralized.

487
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Speaker 2: I just don't care anymore, Like I'm done with that shit,

488
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Speaker 2: because it's your job to do something. Like it's not

489
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Speaker 2: somebody else's job to save you. It's not somebody else's

490
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Speaker 2: job to give you money or to pick up your thing,

491
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Speaker 2: or to throw out the immigrants or whatever it is,

492
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Speaker 2: like that needs to be done. It's like you need

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Speaker 2: to contribute to that in some way. And if you

494
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Speaker 2: cannot contribute at the highest level, contribute at the level

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Speaker 2: you can contribute.

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Speaker 1: And that's always been the story of life, or at

497
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Speaker 1: least get out of the way or exactly Yeah, some

498
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Speaker 1: of it is like a psychosist. During the pandemic, doctor

499
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Speaker 1: Mataias Desmond's mass formation, psychosis kind of took over. I

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Speaker 1: recently did another interview with somebody and we were talking

501
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Speaker 1: about this. The psychosis is happening today, and really it's

502
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Speaker 1: where like thirty percent of the people are just going

503
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Speaker 1: to go along with it whatever, thirty percent of people

504
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Speaker 1: are going to reject it, whatever, and then you have

505
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Speaker 1: this sort of middle forty percent that you fight over

506
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Speaker 1: and that was sort of the basis of that massformation.

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Speaker 1: Psychos thirty percent just went along with the pandemic. Just

508
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Speaker 1: whatever lead me to the way pied viper thirty percent,

509
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Speaker 1: we're absolutely never going to take that. And you can

510
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Speaker 1: see that sort of in these numbers and these vaccination numbers.

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Speaker 1: And then there's that middle piece. How do you, I mean,

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Speaker 1: do you think that plays in You're talking about like

513
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Speaker 1: a warrior gen that may seem a little bit too

514
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Speaker 1: deep for most people, but maybe it's sort of the

515
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Speaker 1: culture that they're raised in and like which groups they

516
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Speaker 1: identify with, and maybe it's more of like a psychological

517
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Speaker 1: kind of process and just kind of where they're at

518
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Speaker 1: in that.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, think about what.

520
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Speaker 4: Leadership is.

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Speaker 2: Leadership is fundamentally something that is done by the few, right,

522
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Speaker 2: because you like, not everybody can lead, right, which means

523
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Speaker 2: the responsibility rests on the leader to do something.

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Speaker 4: That others who.

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Speaker 2: Who are watching can be potentially inspired by. Right. So

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Speaker 2: that middle forty percent that you're discussing, you know, I like,

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Speaker 2: I would argue that most people have a good heart,

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Speaker 2: Most people want good for the world, for themselves, for

529
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Speaker 2: their family, all that sort of stuff. But most people are.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're not completely you know, biologically retarded, right, Like,

531
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Speaker 2: you know, we've got good people, and you know, I

532
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Speaker 2: guess to your point, some are just not built to

533
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Speaker 2: be the tip of the spear, right like they they

534
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Speaker 2: are meant to be more the inertia that comes after it.

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Speaker 4: But they can be great supporters.

536
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Speaker 2: And this happens in a business, right, Like some people

537
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Speaker 2: are fantastic CEOs and you know what you would call entrepreneurs.

538
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Speaker 2: And some people are fantastic entrepreneurs. They work well within

539
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Speaker 2: the business and they are they have this supporter archetype

540
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Speaker 2: and they're the ones we need to focus.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and I mean leader. And unfortunately today what

542
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Speaker 1: leaders think they're supposed to do is boss people around.

543
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Speaker 1: But leaders lead and more reason by example and really

544
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Speaker 1: more importantly, they encourage people to follow them, not by

545
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Speaker 1: coercion like you have to do this, but like it's

546
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Speaker 1: so inspiring that people just want to follow, right, And

547
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Speaker 1: that's the difference, you know, back to your point about

548
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Speaker 1: being entrepreneurs. In business, it's always up to the leader,

549
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Speaker 1: the founder to set what they call the culture, to

550
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Speaker 1: set that tone for the business. There's a saying that

551
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Speaker 1: says the fish stinks from the head down, and so

552
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Speaker 1: it's like the leader is going to set the tone

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Speaker 1: for the rest of that. Now let's talk about let's

554
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Speaker 1: let's let's wrap this up, move this into the next part,

555
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Speaker 1: which is you said like the tide is turning, the

556
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Speaker 1: energy has shifted, and it sounds like that's sort of

557
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Speaker 1: like this monumental or very important moment in time where

558
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Speaker 1: if we can latch onto that shift of energy and

559
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Speaker 1: push that energy shift forward, maybe massive change could happen.

560
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Speaker 1: But at the same time, if we don't latch onto

561
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Speaker 1: that piece of energy and help kind of get it

562
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Speaker 1: over that ledge, then maybe it falls apart.

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Speaker 3: And we'd go back the other way. I mean, what's

564
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Speaker 3: the take on that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I fired to use an analogy. Imagine

566
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Speaker 2: in a battle once again, you've got this cavalry charge

567
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Speaker 2: and you've penetrated the first line of defense. If you

568
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Speaker 2: maintain that momentum, you actually have an opportunity to make

569
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Speaker 2: it through. And I think about the Battle of Gorgomela

570
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Speaker 2: with Alexander when he first faced Darius back in three

571
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Speaker 2: hundred PC maybe sorry, it was the second battle Battle

572
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Speaker 2: of Isis, and it was incomprehensible like you had the

573
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Speaker 2: Persian army with half a million people, maybe up to

574
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Speaker 2: a million, versus the Macedonians with forty thousand, like.

575
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Speaker 4: A fraction of a fraction of that.

576
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Speaker 2: But Alexander pulled his primary cavalry, his companions, which were

577
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Speaker 2: like the best of his men, his generals, and they

578
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Speaker 2: formed an arrow, and they pierced right through the first

579
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Speaker 2: line of defense, the second line of the thirdland.

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Speaker 4: And they went straight for Darius.

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Speaker 2: Because Alexander knew that the only way to win this

582
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Speaker 2: battle with those kinds of odds was to go straight

583
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Speaker 2: for the head. And that applies in all things. You know,

584
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Speaker 2: when you're in business, when you've got that slight edge,

585
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Speaker 2: when you're in a boxing ring, when you've got that

586
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Speaker 2: slight edge, you've got the guy just off.

587
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Speaker 4: Balance, you need to double down right then.

588
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Speaker 2: Because if Alexander pulled his horses back, the cavalry charge

589
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Speaker 2: back right at the moment of you know, oh, he

590
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Speaker 2: got scared from the second line of defense, he would

591
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Speaker 2: have lost the battle right then. And that's exactly where

592
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Speaker 2: we are. And it's really frustrating in fact, on the

593
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Speaker 2: with you know, call it conservatives or the side of

594
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Speaker 2: sanity is sometimes we're our own worst enemy. We sabotage

595
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Speaker 2: ourselves by trying to place compassion before the follow through

596
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Speaker 2: of justice. Like there's a there's a quote that I've

597
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Speaker 2: I've got here. It's easy when winning to forget what

598
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Speaker 2: happened and what is continuing to happen in the world.

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Speaker 4: And I don't see this as a victim, but more

600
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Speaker 4: that we.

601
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Speaker 2: Cannot let compassion get in the way too soon when

602
00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 2: what's needed is the rigid stick of justice and the

603
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 2: shop thrones of vengeance to really teach them a lesson. Right.

604
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,400
Speaker 2: So it's like, now's the time when Hey, we're gonna

605
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Speaker 2: have to be mean. I'm sorry, but it's time to

606
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 2: actually take civilization back and we're going to have to

607
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Speaker 2: like chart right through.

608
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there was this quote I put up on Instagram

609
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Speaker 1: a couple of days ago from Robert Green, and it said,

610
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Speaker 1: if a sword is always sheathed, it will become rusty,

611
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Speaker 1: the blade will dole, and people will think as much

612
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Speaker 1: of its owner. And I said, behavior holds much more

613
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Speaker 1: credibility than just fiery words, right, And I said, become

614
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Speaker 1: a weapon capable of great and mighty things and demonstrate

615
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Speaker 1: it often. So you got to push through I mean,

616
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Speaker 1: otherwise you're old and rusty and you're weak, and so

617
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Speaker 1: obviously that's not a call to violence. But as Jordan

618
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Speaker 1: Peterson would say, like be capable of violence, otherwise being

619
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Speaker 1: weak is no virtue. I'm curious your take then, So,

620
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Speaker 1: I mean it's a good analogy using the war analogy.

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Speaker 1: So the energy is shifted. We have to kind of

622
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Speaker 1: push forward. So then what's the what's the challenge for

623
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Speaker 1: everybody listening here? Like if we want to have that

624
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Speaker 1: that world where accountability is back and justice is served

625
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Speaker 1: and maybe a more freer world that's based off of

626
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Speaker 1: beauty and meritocracy, I mean, what's what's the charge, what's

627
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Speaker 1: the called action?

628
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Speaker 3: What are people going to do about that?

629
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Speaker 2: I don't I kind of answer that for individual people.

630
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Speaker 2: All I can do is say it in such a way.

631
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Speaker 2: It's like, find that which fires you up, and find

632
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Speaker 2: that with which you can contribute. And again, I used

633
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Speaker 2: to be this raging libertarian and acca capitalist all this

634
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Speaker 2: kind of crap. Enough thrown that out the window. Fundamentally,

635
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Speaker 2: I think it's all bullshit. Politics will always exist. And

636
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:54,880
Speaker 2: you know, there's that saying which I realized I found

637
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:56,840
Speaker 2: out Trotsky actually stole it, you know, the one where

638
00:30:56,880 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 2: it's like you might not be interested in politics, but

639
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 2: politics is interested in you. That actually goes back to Pericles.

640
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:05,719
Speaker 2: Trotsky stole it and pretended it was his typical communists. Right.

641
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: But if you're interested in politics, and as you kind

642
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:13,640
Speaker 2: of said earlier, if you're not able to play at

643
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 2: the higher level, play at the local level. That there

644
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 2: is much, much, much, much help needed at the local

645
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 2: level to gain back control and power in the areas

646
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Speaker 2: that matter, because the local is going to affect you

647
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 2: more than the state or the federal, right, So get

648
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 2: into that, get into business, you know, lead your peer group,

649
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,479
Speaker 2: your friends group, Like build a men's circle, like if

650
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Speaker 2: you're a man, if you're a woman, build a women's circle,

651
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Speaker 2: and start to like re establish rituals and rights of

652
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Speaker 2: passage and all this sort of stuff.

653
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Speaker 4: Like that's the stuff that matters.

654
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Speaker 2: And for the love of God, like get off if

655
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Speaker 2: all you're going to do on social media is like

656
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Speaker 2: just comment, like get off of yeah, Like stop being

657
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Speaker 2: a consumer and stop being a producer. So so the

658
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Speaker 2: same principles apply, I guess.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Jordan Peterson recently was in Los Angeles. I was able

661
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Speaker 1: to take my daughter up there and see him. It

662
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Speaker 1: was really really good, as he is always and he's

663
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Speaker 1: been talking about for like the last year at least,

664
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Speaker 1: like the story of Exodus, and how he says that

665
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Speaker 1: the story of Exodus is really the story of life,

666
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Speaker 1: everybody's life, but for what I'm talking about specifically, talked

667
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Speaker 1: about how, you know, the Israelites lived in Egypt under tyranny,

668
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,719
Speaker 1: the tyranny of the Pharaoh, and they were slaves. And

669
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,640
Speaker 1: you think of tyranny and slaves as sort of the

670
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 1: same thing, but they're different because the slave mentality is

671
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Speaker 1: such that you can't think for yourself.

672
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Speaker 3: You're always just told what to do.

673
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Speaker 1: And so because of that, you're you're not able to

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Speaker 1: think for yourself. Then you can never take any agency.

675
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Speaker 1: And so when the Israelites were freed and they moved

676
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Speaker 1: over into first the desert, they fought, they bickered, they

677
00:32:56,800 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: didn't know what to do, and they had to come

678
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Speaker 1: up with a new form of government, this hierarchical form

679
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:04,600
Speaker 1: of government that was broken into smaller groups, and they

680
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Speaker 1: went into like a like a bigger group.

681
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Speaker 3: And he talked about how.

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Speaker 1: Anarchy is not the opposite of tyranny because you always

683
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Speaker 1: are going to need that governance structure. But the only

684
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Speaker 1: way it can work if it's not tyranny, is that

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Speaker 1: each person has to have personal responsibility for themselves, because

686
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Speaker 1: the slave doesn't. The slave is like, I have no

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Speaker 1: responsibility somewhere to do. And so the only way we

688
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Speaker 1: can have that constitutional republic or whatever type of free,

689
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Speaker 1: individualistic but yet still a system of governance is if

690
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Speaker 1: everybody were to step up and take that personal responsibility.

691
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Speaker 1: And then he goes on to say that if you don't,

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Speaker 1: if we don't, we're too busy, then a tyrant will

693
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Speaker 1: take it every single time.

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Speaker 2: Well, there's actually a really important point here. So it

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Speaker 2: reminds me of an auticle I wrote, Cold Responsibility, Go

696
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Speaker 2: Up Technology while ago, and I think it was like

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Speaker 2: two or three years ago, And what I said in

698
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Speaker 2: there is, if you want to take away someone's freedoms,

699
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Speaker 2: you start by taking away their responsibility.

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Speaker 1: Which is back to the demoralization we talked about earlier.

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Speaker 3: Maybe well it is.

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Speaker 2: It is related, right, So like the more I guess

703
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Speaker 2: responsibilities you move from someone, the less meaning they're have

704
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Speaker 2: in life. And I guess lack of meaning, lack of

705
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 2: you know, you become demoralized. But this is a really

706
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Speaker 2: important point, is that you don't like taking away someone's

707
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Speaker 2: freedom overtly initiates a pushback. But if you slowly take

708
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Speaker 2: away people's responsibility, take away their responsibility for education, take

709
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:42,879
Speaker 2: away their responsibility for their health, take away their responsibility

710
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Speaker 2: for the money they hold, take away their responsibility for

711
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 2: the governance structures that they are buided by, take away

712
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Speaker 2: the responsibility for you know, the roads they drive.

713
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Speaker 4: All this sort of stuff.

714
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Speaker 2: You slowly strip away responsibility in a you know, in

715
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Speaker 2: a not so distant time. What you discover really quickly

716
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Speaker 2: is that now you don't have freedom over those things.

717
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:05,000
Speaker 2: You are dependent, which is another word for slave. You know,

718
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Speaker 2: dependency is on the pathway to slavery. So responsibility, like

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Speaker 2: I talk about this in the book as well, is

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Speaker 2: freedom is a value. Freedom is something you want and

721
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Speaker 2: something you want to feel, but it's not a virtue.

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Speaker 2: The difference between a value and a virtue is a

723
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Speaker 2: virtue is an act. So a virtue is, like I

724
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,399
Speaker 2: said earlier, it's a mixture of a behavior and a principle. Right,

725
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Speaker 2: So it's a principal act. Responsibility is the virtue that

726
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Speaker 2: gives rise to freedom the value and it's not the

727
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Speaker 2: other way around. And this is where you know, again, libertarians,

728
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Speaker 2: their entire you know, mental model is around freedom, freedom, freedom, freedom, freedom,

729
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Speaker 2: and they maybe talk about responsibility two percent of the time, right.

730
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Speaker 4: Like the equation needs to be other way around.

731
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Speaker 2: It needs to be eighty percent of a discussion around responsibility,

732
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Speaker 2: twenty percent of a discussion around the feeling of freedom,

733
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Speaker 2: because that that's the end that we want to experience.

734
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Speaker 2: But you don't get it without the payment of responsibility

735
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Speaker 2: up front.

736
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Speaker 3: Yep.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, great stuff, man, great stuff. And back to you know,

738
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Speaker 1: the leaders and the inspiration piece. When I was flying

739
00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: back from Australia Aho weeks ago, I watched The Last

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Speaker 1: Samurai with Tom Cruise on the plane back.

741
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Speaker 2: The greatest. Yeah, I just watched it the other night.

742
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Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, I spent a lot of times sins I've

743
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 1: seen it. But I've always loved that culture because it's

744
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 1: based on honor, at least the story that we're told anyway, right,

745
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:24,240
Speaker 1: but based.

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00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 2: No, no, it is, and in fact it's even more than

747
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Speaker 2: what the you saw in the movie.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So Bashido a bitcoin, it's not just about bitcoin,

749
00:36:31,840 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 1: it's about the bashido it's about the code and meant

750
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Speaker 1: to inspire you to go live that better life. Trump

751
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,000
Speaker 1: is that representation, this war archetype, and we have to

752
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:45,799
Speaker 1: seize onto that moment, take that energy, push forward. So

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Speaker 1: I love it for right now, Bashido Bitcoin. We're gonna

754
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,840
Speaker 1: link to that down the show notes down below. Alex,

755
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 1: anything else you want to say to close this out.

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Speaker 4: I think.

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Speaker 2: What I'll say is the the idea that somebody or

758
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 2: something is just going to fix everything for you is false.

759
00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:08,520
Speaker 2: Like in this I don't know how many of your

760
00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:10,440
Speaker 2: listeners are bitcoin as I assume, and many of them,

761
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,160
Speaker 2: you know, if they've been listening to you for a while.

762
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 2: But like there's this saying in bitcoin, which is bitcoin

763
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:18,160
Speaker 2: fixes this, And in many ways it's true, because if

764
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:24,920
Speaker 2: you establish a new economic framework, you downstream of that

765
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 2: potentially have the opportunity to fix a bunch of things.

766
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Speaker 2: But let me leave people with one mental model to

767
00:37:30,400 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 2: think about. It's this in the current paradigm, in the

768
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Speaker 2: current socioeconomic paradigm.

769
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Speaker 4: That we live in, as I mentioned earlier, the you

770
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Speaker 4: know the one.

771
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 2: Where that it's built on liars and incompetence and DEI

772
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,799
Speaker 2: and all this sort of stuff. In this paradigm, in

773
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 2: order to win, you have to lie, cheat, steel, politic,

774
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 2: be a parasite of some sort. Right like Nancy Pelosi

775
00:37:54,120 --> 00:37:56,359
Speaker 2: is doing way better financially than you and I right

776
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 2: like way better. So like that, that's the game you

777
00:37:59,080 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: need to be in.

778
00:37:59,560 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 3: Now.

779
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 2: The problem with that game is that it decays society

780
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 2: because everyone is scentivised to be a parasite, so they

781
00:38:04,640 --> 00:38:08,879
Speaker 2: leach instead of build or produce or create anything. When

782
00:38:09,080 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 2: if and when, and I believe it's more of a

783
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 2: when we move on to a new socioeconomic paradigm, something

784
00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 2: like backoin where institutionalized lying, cheating, there to all that

785
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 2: sort of stuff is made much harder. We require a

786
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 2: new set of virtues, like a new playbook to operate by.

787
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Speaker 2: And in my opinion, virtues transcend everything. Virtues transcend beliefs,

788
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 2: Virtues transcend religion, Virtues transcend you know, culture, Virtues transcend

789
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Speaker 2: all of these things. Because I can guarantee you like

790
00:38:38,560 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 2: go back and read the stories of the Crusades, particularly

791
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Speaker 2: around the time of Saladin. Is the Christians and the Muslims,

792
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:50,040
Speaker 2: despite having completely different beliefs, we're able to have respect

793
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:54,319
Speaker 2: for one another. For large periods of time because they

794
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: behaved with honor. So you can recognize, like every single culture,

795
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:05,200
Speaker 2: every single belief system, every single religion, recognizes courage, they

796
00:39:05,239 --> 00:39:08,480
Speaker 2: recognize integrity, they recognize respect. This was one of the

797
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,360
Speaker 2: things that was profound as I researched the book, is

798
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 2: that you look at the warrior class in Japan, the

799
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 2: samurai completely disconnected to the warrior class in the west.

800
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 2: The knights of Christendom somehow developed in the east the

801
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 2: bushido and in the West chivalry, whose virtues mapped precisely

802
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 2: on top of each other. Which virtues also mapped precisely

803
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 2: on top of the Romans and the Greeks and all

804
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 2: of these great cultures who built the greatest civilizations afterwards.

805
00:39:42,080 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 2: So if there's something we must focus on, in my opinion,

806
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 2: it's these key virtues.

807
00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 3: What are the.

808
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:48,799
Speaker 4: Ones that are timeless?

809
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:50,359
Speaker 2: And we don't do it in such a way it's

810
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,439
Speaker 2: like you know, the leftist, you know, typical, Oh, let's

811
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 2: just make up something new. You know, there's thirty seven genders.

812
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:55,680
Speaker 3: Now.

813
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,440
Speaker 4: No, no, no, we go back and we look at the past.

814
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 2: We look at what's traditional, and the true definition of

815
00:40:02,719 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 2: tradition is not the past but that which does not

816
00:40:06,080 --> 00:40:10,839
Speaker 2: pass right, it's a very important test. So we take

817
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 2: that and we project it forward and we find where

818
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:17,520
Speaker 2: the greatest overlap is. And for me, that's virtues such

819
00:40:17,520 --> 00:40:26,280
Speaker 2: as justice, courage, compassion, honor, integrity, responsibility, excellence, duty, loyalty, restraint,

820
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 2: self control. So that's what I explore in the book,

821
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,600
Speaker 2: plus a bunch of other things. It's a way longer

822
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:32,800
Speaker 2: book than what we wrote. I think it's one hundred

823
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,239
Speaker 2: and thirty thousand words. And you know some your mind

824
00:40:36,280 --> 00:40:38,840
Speaker 2: will be blown, I promise you. Like in each virtue,

825
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 2: I open it up with the Japanese etymology and the

826
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:44,480
Speaker 2: English etymology, and I look at how the pictograms of

827
00:40:44,520 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 2: a completely different language resemble the essence of a word,

828
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 2: where in English I go back through the English Latin

829
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:56,000
Speaker 2: Proto Indo European structure of the words, and like, for example,

830
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,880
Speaker 2: excellence in both of these disparate languages with different roots

831
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 2: means to separate oneself from the plane via the mountain.

832
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 2: So to climb a mountain to reach to separate oneself

833
00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 2: is the very fundamental nature of these words. We did

834
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,319
Speaker 2: a bit of that in the Uncommunist Manifesto. So I

835
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,719
Speaker 2: do loads of etymology, all this sort of stuff, and

836
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 2: I encourage people to like dig on these things because

837
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 2: this is this is the most important period I believe

838
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 2: of modern history, Like this is our time, like and

839
00:41:28,280 --> 00:41:32,200
Speaker 2: we fundamentally have a chance and an opportunity to shift

840
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 2: the entire course of history. And it's not going to

841
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 2: happen just because bitcoin. It's going to happen because of

842
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 2: what we do with the bitcoin, and it's very important.

843
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 2: Like humans are the ones that drive this where the

844
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 2: tip of the spear?

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00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:46,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, love it, love it?

846
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:49,279
Speaker 1: All right, Well, good stuff. Alex's gonna wrap it up

847
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: with that. We'll link to all that stuff down on

848
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: the show notes down below high they recommend you.

849
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Speaker 3: We'll check that out.

850
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 2: And that's it.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining me.