1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:04,920 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace is coming to Fox Nation. I want justice. 2 00:00:05,040 --> 00:00:09,120 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace available now only on Fox Nation. 3 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:18,560 Speaker 1: By now, we have all heard the name cult Mom 4 00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 1: Lorie Valo, the young mom who refuses to tell police 5 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: whether her two children are dead or alive. But we 6 00:00:28,160 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: don't hear much about Tammy Daybille. We don't hear much 7 00:00:32,000 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: about her. But today I want justice for Tammy Daybill. 8 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:41,639 Speaker 1: How does a young woman in her forties who's training 9 00:00:41,720 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 1: for a marathon suddenly just die in her sleep with 10 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:51,279 Speaker 1: that soon to be neelywed groom lying right beside her. 11 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: That's quite the coincidence, isn't it. I'm Nancy Grace. This 12 00:00:54,560 --> 00:01:04,160 Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. Crime 13 00:01:04,240 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. A forty seven year old young 14 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:17,200 Speaker 1: mom training for a marathon just poof dies in her sleep. Okay, 15 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:24,319 Speaker 1: I'm curious, not concerned. But when her husband marries about 16 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: a month later to a woman whose husband dies two 17 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: weeks before, I'm starting to simmer, just simmering. Then when 18 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: i find out there's four dead bodies and two missing 19 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 1: children connected, I'm boiling over. I'm talking about Tammy Day 20 00:01:47,280 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 1: Belle Right. Cult Mom Lorie Valo's brand new hubby, dad, 21 00:01:53,880 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: ex wife. What's happening? Why don't I have answers? Why 22 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: wasn't there an autopsy? I need justice, not just for her, 23 00:02:02,800 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: but for her family. I'm asy, Grace. This is crime Stories. 24 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 1: Thank you for joining us here at Fox Nation and 25 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:14,000 Speaker 1: Serious XM one eleven. You think we're just gonna stick 26 00:02:14,040 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: our heads in the sand and our tail in the air, 27 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: That's not happening. Take a listen right now to East 28 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 1: Idaho News reporter Nate Eaton. Deputies respond as they took pictures, 29 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:31,160 Speaker 1: they looked it over, contacted our detectives. Detectives had a 30 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 1: few questions. They satisfied those didn't see anything that alarmed them. 31 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:41,440 Speaker 1: Was Chad day Bell acting interesting or suspicious or normal? 32 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,600 Speaker 1: To my knowledge, he was responding like anybody would whose 33 00:02:44,639 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: spouse had just passed away. That's why the deputies didn't 34 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: and or didn't suspect anything suspicious. A few days later, 35 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: Humphreys says his office was alerted by detectives in Arizona 36 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:59,120 Speaker 1: about the other deaths. Tammy's body was exhumed from the Springhill, 37 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:03,119 Speaker 1: Utah ever Green Cemetery and an autopsy was performed. We're 38 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,160 Speaker 1: still waiting for the lab results to come back. Do 39 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 1: you know if termmy day Bell had a big life 40 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 1: insurance policy. There is some information along those lines that 41 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,080 Speaker 1: I'm not at liberty to speak about right now, but 42 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:18,919 Speaker 1: that is being investigated. Yes it is. You're hearing our 43 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: friend Nate Eaton with East Idaho News dot Com questioning 44 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: the Fremont County Sheriff Lee Humphries. I got a lot 45 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:32,040 Speaker 1: more questions joining me right now an a list panel 46 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:36,840 Speaker 1: number one, former prosecutor, former felony prosecutor, and I've checked 47 00:03:36,840 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: out his record. Now. Defense Attorney Daryl Cohen joining me 48 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:46,000 Speaker 1: from the Atlanta jurisdiction. Bobby Chicoon, former special agent with 49 00:03:46,120 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: the FBI, current star a Facebook series Curse of Akacorp. 50 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: Doctor Angela Arnold, renowned psychiatrist MD joining us today. Professor Forensics, 51 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:03,400 Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon. 52 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, death investigator, but right now to reporter 53 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: with the East Idaho News dot Com Nate eating Nate 54 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: Hey no offense, but she kind of rolled over on 55 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 1: a couple of those questions. You didn't want to tangle 56 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: with the county sheriff because when he says, I had 57 00:04:22,680 --> 00:04:26,599 Speaker 1: a few questions, A few questions, why would a woman 58 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,960 Speaker 1: in her forties and perfect health that we know of, 59 00:04:30,440 --> 00:04:35,000 Speaker 1: and don't you know she had some underlying element cult? 60 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 1: Mom's family would be blasting it out there. No, she's 61 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:41,560 Speaker 1: training for a marathon. Can you say that, Nate, eating 62 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 1: and you have a few questions? Die in her sleep. 63 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,520 Speaker 1: The last person to see her alive was her husband, 64 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: Chad A. Day Bell, who wrote twenty five books that 65 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,760 Speaker 1: we know of about end of Times with some crazy 66 00:04:58,880 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: cult and he just married Lorie Valley right after Tammy 67 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 1: dies in her sleep with him whileing right beside her. 68 00:05:08,240 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: Come on, Nate, what's the sheriff saying now? Well, the 69 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:15,960 Speaker 1: sheriff saying that the autopsy, it will tell the answers, hopefully, 70 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:18,720 Speaker 1: and hopefully that autopsy is back soon. You know, Tammy 71 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,880 Speaker 1: was the school librarian who everybody loved. Everybody in town 72 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,599 Speaker 1: knew her. She worked with every student that came into 73 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: that library, so she was a beloved member of the community. 74 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:33,119 Speaker 1: Everybody was shocked when she died with interesting Nancy whoa whoa. 75 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:36,920 Speaker 1: Everybody was shocked, but nobody did anything, did they? Nobody 76 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: did a dard thing? Did they Nate, you kill over 77 00:05:40,600 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 1: and you're sleep. Don't worry, I'm on it, okay, But 78 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:47,240 Speaker 1: nobody did anything with Tammy Daybill. Just just tell me 79 00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: what the sheriff says about the way Chad day Bell 80 00:05:51,920 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 1: reacted when his wife just up and dies in her sleep. 81 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: They said that he acted like a grieving husband would 82 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:01,400 Speaker 1: any grieving husband would. He was that he was distraught. 83 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 1: Here's the interesting thing. She died on a Saturday morning. 84 00:06:05,200 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: She was in the ground by Tuesday afternoon. Normally families 85 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:14,320 Speaker 1: take time to notify loved one. Whit whit whit white. 86 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:18,559 Speaker 1: Hold on, Nate, just curious. I've never asked you this before, 87 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,040 Speaker 1: But where are you from? I'm from all over but 88 00:06:22,080 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 1: I've lived in Idaho now for five years. Okay, that 89 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,920 Speaker 1: is not an acceptable answer because you're only from one place. 90 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,800 Speaker 1: Where would that be? Night eight? I grew up near 91 00:06:30,839 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 1: Salt Lake City, Okay, because I don't know what the 92 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 1: customary practice is where you grew up. But she dies 93 00:06:39,480 --> 00:06:45,880 Speaker 1: on Saturday, Sunday, Monday, Tuesday's three days later, Okay. I 94 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: don't find that unusual. So where you're from is that unusual? Well, 95 00:06:51,160 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 1: normally you would notify friends, family members. Because they didn't 96 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: bury her body here in Idaho. They had to make 97 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: arrangements to have her body transporters about six hours from 98 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: where we're at. Okay, now, wait a minute, that's something new. 99 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 1: Tell me that again. So she dies Saturday morning. They 100 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,040 Speaker 1: don't bury her body in Idaho. What they do is 101 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: they chip her body back to where she grew up, 102 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:16,640 Speaker 1: down in the middle of Utah. So you have to 103 00:07:16,680 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: make arrangements for that they hold there. How far away 104 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: is that, I mean, they didn't teach me much geography 105 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,400 Speaker 1: in law school. How long of a drive is that? Oh, 106 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: at least six hours? Six hours? So what did you 107 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:29,880 Speaker 1: say they had to ship her body down here? You 108 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: say that they have to ship her body. They could 109 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: just take her body down to Springville, Utah. So six 110 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: hours from here. Then the next day the family comes 111 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: back to Idaho and holds a memorial service without her 112 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: body or casket. So it was as if things were 113 00:07:47,280 --> 00:07:50,560 Speaker 1: in fast motion. And a lot of people that attended 114 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,120 Speaker 1: that memorial service said it was weird that there wasn't 115 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 1: even a casket, There wasn't even a body there. That 116 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:02,200 Speaker 1: I hate to argue with you this much right off 117 00:08:02,240 --> 00:08:06,120 Speaker 1: the get go. But Nate, I read Nate. When you 118 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:10,760 Speaker 1: have a memorial, that very often means that the person 119 00:08:10,880 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: is being cremated or buried, and at some later date 120 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:20,680 Speaker 1: there is are your memory. You're remembering the person a funeral. Now, Jackie, 121 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: look this up on Google. Difference between memorial and funeral. See, 122 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: these are the fun things I do in my spare 123 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: time when I'm not chasing down Killer's Nate. Because you 124 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:35,559 Speaker 1: wouldn't expect, typically at a memorial, I wouldn't expect necessarily 125 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:38,040 Speaker 1: for a body to be there. But I am interested, 126 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 1: so that that's not unusual so far. Memorial was three 127 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: days later, not not concerning me at all. That in 128 00:08:45,440 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: my mind is typical. But you did say something. You 129 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:54,360 Speaker 1: said something about family and friends not knowing. Did family 130 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 1: and friends? Did everybody not get the word that Tammy 131 00:08:57,760 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 1: had passed away? There were a lot of people that 132 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:04,319 Speaker 1: after the fact, after the funeral, after the memorial, whoa 133 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:06,680 Speaker 1: Tammy day Bell died? She was here six days ago 134 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: getting ready for this race, and now she's buried in 135 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:12,480 Speaker 1: the ground. Okay, so they didn't put it in the 136 00:09:12,480 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: local paper that there's going to be a memorial service. 137 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 1: There was an obituary. But again, everything happened so quickly. 138 00:09:18,040 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: Normally you'd wait a few days. And if you're gonna 139 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:23,880 Speaker 1: be where you're pat where the where the death occurs, 140 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,559 Speaker 1: do that memorial service first with the cast, get pay 141 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:30,480 Speaker 1: your respect, then take it down to hold on dear, 142 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:38,680 Speaker 1: because my crack legal researcher Jackie is holding up body 143 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: not present for memorial. That's what a memorial is, Nate. Okay, 144 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: you know what. I'm going to quit arguing with you 145 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:48,440 Speaker 1: about memorial versus funeral and get down to something serious. 146 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: The fact that you're telling me she was buried so 147 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: quickly that everybody didn't even realize or hadn't gotten notice 148 00:09:56,800 --> 00:10:03,000 Speaker 1: of a funeral. And most important question etiquette aside, how 149 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: long after Tammy Day Bell died did Chad at Day 150 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: Belle married cult Mom Laurie Valo within three weeks? Within 151 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: three weeks they were married. I thought it was a month, 152 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:17,400 Speaker 1: not that that made any difference to me. One week 153 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: does not. Of course, A lot can happen in seven days. 154 00:10:20,200 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: But three weeks later he has remarried. Okay, and I 155 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 1: believe it was two weeks after the death of her husband. 156 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: Cult Mom Laurie Valo remarries to Chad day Belle. Crime 157 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. I Nancy Grace, 158 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us here at Fox Nation 159 00:10:53,000 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: and Series X one eleven. I've seen so many pictures 160 00:10:57,400 --> 00:11:00,760 Speaker 1: of cult Mom Laurie Valo, and we holler cult Mom 161 00:11:00,760 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: because she was part of some doomsday cult. They say 162 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: the Earth's going to end. July twenty, twenty twenty, I 163 00:11:06,960 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: think is the date. If you're not one of the 164 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: select few one hundred and forty thousand worldwide since the 165 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:18,480 Speaker 1: beginning of time, Adam and Eve, you're just basically up 166 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: the creek without a paddle. It's over for you. We 167 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:26,440 Speaker 1: see pictures of cult mom Laurie Vallo all the time. 168 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:30,080 Speaker 1: Why do I keep seeing pictures of her? Why don't 169 00:11:30,120 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: I see pictures of Tammy day Bell. She's dead and 170 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: nobody even bothered to ask for an autosy. The husband 171 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: didn't care. What happened to my wife? Why is she dead? 172 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:47,560 Speaker 1: If God forbid, my husband just dropped dead, I'd want 173 00:11:47,559 --> 00:11:51,720 Speaker 1: to know why I love him. I want to know 174 00:11:51,800 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: what happened to him to try to make sense of 175 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 1: it all. But let me understand this Darrel Cohen, former 176 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: prosecutor and now a defense attorney. I'm sure you're going 177 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,520 Speaker 1: to argue at me till you're blue in the face. 178 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:10,080 Speaker 1: That means nothing, but it means something to me, and 179 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: I guarantee you'll mean something to a jury that he 180 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: never once said. What happened to her? Why is my 181 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:22,640 Speaker 1: wife gone? Darryl? I would I would hammer that with 182 00:12:22,800 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 1: a ballpeen hammer and opening statements, you know I would, Darryl. 183 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,880 Speaker 1: I guess you're gonna tell me it means nothing. I yes, 184 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:32,560 Speaker 1: you would, Nancy, and I will tell you it meant nothing. 185 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:36,080 Speaker 1: It now means something because you put it together to 186 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,520 Speaker 1: one of you've got you've got too many dead bodies. 187 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:42,559 Speaker 1: You've got too many, right, there's two dead bodies. So no, 188 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,400 Speaker 1: it didn't mean anything at the time, but now it does. 189 00:12:45,880 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 1: So she's gone, no autopsy. Oh well, you know it's 190 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: it happens. But then there's another dead body, and there's 191 00:12:53,400 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 1: there's a quick marriage. It begins quickly to smell badly, 192 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:00,880 Speaker 1: and the longer it goes, the words smell so not 193 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: to argue with you badly. I don't know if that's correct, Daryl, 194 00:13:05,000 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 1: with all of your acting abilities. Doesn't something smell bad? 195 00:13:09,559 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: And badly would be an adverb that defines a verb. So, okay, 196 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:18,959 Speaker 1: you know what, I'll deal with that later. I'll deal 197 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 1: with you when we finished this. But take a listen 198 00:13:21,240 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: right now to the Fremont County Sheriff Lee Humphreeze. He's 199 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:29,040 Speaker 1: at it again with Nate Eaton October nineteenth, we did 200 00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: respond to an unattended death at the Deville home in 201 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:39,720 Speaker 1: southern part of Fremont County Salem Highway, and Tammy Daville 202 00:13:39,880 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 1: was deceased at that time. Officers, my officers deputies responded 203 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: and as we do with most unattended deaths, they took pictures, 204 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: They looked it over, contacted our detectives. Detectives had a 205 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:59,960 Speaker 1: few questions. They satisfied those got the information they needed, 206 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:07,400 Speaker 1: didn't see anything that alarmed them. Contacted the corner corner, 207 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: responded and body was transported to the funeral home. The 208 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: coroner went there also to do a further examination, and 209 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: she determined that there was nothing out of ordinary natural causes. 210 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: A few days later, we started getting information out of 211 00:14:25,920 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: Arizona that we maybe ought to take the hour closer 212 00:14:29,320 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: look at this well. He sounds pretty calm. I'm just 213 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,560 Speaker 1: wondering how the family of Tammy day Bell is taking 214 00:14:35,560 --> 00:14:38,560 Speaker 1: the whole thing. We also know that at the time, 215 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: no autopsy was ordered to Bobby Chicon, a former special 216 00:14:44,240 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: agent with the FBI, current star Facebook series Curse of Aquacre. 217 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:53,160 Speaker 1: Bobby Chicon, that's a special agent with the FBI. You've 218 00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: seen a lot of dead bodies, and it concerns me 219 00:14:55,720 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 1: that nobody demanded an autopsy. Does that not bother you? 220 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: Totally bothers me. And you know, you think that those 221 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:06,600 Speaker 1: of us in law enforcement have a natural curiosity, natural suspicion, 222 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 1: particularly when you know a otherwise healthy, normal adults is 223 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 1: dead and undettended death. The normal protocol for us would 224 00:15:15,920 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: be to request an autopsy, because you know, there's a 225 00:15:18,560 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: mantra for us in the forensic world is that you 226 00:15:20,320 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: have to get the evidence fast and first, or else 227 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 1: it can be compromised. And if you lose that opportunity, 228 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: you lose it forever. And in this type of case, 229 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 1: as an investigator, if I walked in there and I 230 00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: saw an otherwise healthy adult in an undetended death situation, 231 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,640 Speaker 1: I would think one of the most important tools we're 232 00:15:37,720 --> 00:15:41,479 Speaker 1: going to have is that toxicology report resulting from an autopsy, 233 00:15:41,800 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: and now that the results of that are going to 234 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 1: be done, now that she's been exhumed, I'm right now 235 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: talking about why nobody ordered an autopsy. I mean, on 236 00:15:51,640 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: the scene. I've got a major, major red flag. Guys, 237 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:00,120 Speaker 1: I want you to take a listen now to KSLTVS 238 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: of US GET reporter Brittany Glass. I have known Chad 239 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,560 Speaker 1: and Tammy for a long long time. As many people 240 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:10,520 Speaker 1: in Springville Half, Chad and his late wife grew up 241 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 1: in town. They both graduated from Springville High School. They 242 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:17,040 Speaker 1: went to high school together, and she worked for Springville 243 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: City when they were engaged. She was responsible for a 244 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:26,200 Speaker 1: lot of the billing, so ambulance billing, cemetery billing. In fact, 245 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: they both worked there. Chad worked for Springdale City several times. 246 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:32,640 Speaker 1: Chad worked for the city off and on from nineteen 247 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:36,680 Speaker 1: eighty five until twenty fourteen, digging graves, maintaining the cemetery, 248 00:16:36,840 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: making sure the lawns are cut, pruning the trees, a 249 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:43,600 Speaker 1: little bit of everything, and apparently it was a family tradition. 250 00:16:43,800 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 1: A nineteen ninety two Deseret News articles tells the story 251 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 1: of the day Bell brothers digging Springville graves to pay 252 00:16:49,920 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 1: for their BYU educations. In two thousand and one, Chad's 253 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:56,880 Speaker 1: work got more attention and another d news story when 254 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 1: he said his experience left him with many memorable moments 255 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:03,960 Speaker 1: from both the living and the dead. So let me 256 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 1: understand this to you, Nate Adenisidehoe News dot com. Chad 257 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:11,199 Speaker 1: day Bell worked at the cemetery. Yeah, he worked at 258 00:17:11,200 --> 00:17:13,680 Speaker 1: a cemetery. He was the sextons, so he not only 259 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: was responsible for making sure the bodies were buried, but 260 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 1: that the grounds were taken care of. He knows about death, 261 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,120 Speaker 1: He knows about bodies, he knows how to take care 262 00:17:24,160 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 1: of bodies when they are dead, and he knows the 263 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: secrets of the cemetery, you could say. And so this 264 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 1: may have started his fascination with the end of times, 265 00:17:33,920 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: with death, with the second Coming of Jesus Christ, because, 266 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, he went on and wrote two dozen 267 00:17:39,600 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: books about this very topic. Guys, right now we are 268 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:48,160 Speaker 1: learning that police are investigating a mystery latter a suspicious 269 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: email in connection to Laurie Vallo's former husband Charles Vallow's death. 270 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:57,920 Speaker 1: But right now we are focusing on Tammy Day Bell, 271 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 1: who lost her life in very unusual circumstances. We also 272 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: know that in most jurisdictions, the next of ken decides 273 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,600 Speaker 1: whether there will be an autopsy. Take a listen to 274 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 1: KATV the seventies reporter Gretchen Parsons. When forty nine year 275 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: old Tammy Day Bell was found dead in her bed 276 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: last October, the Fremont County sheriff says family members asked 277 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 1: the county coroner not to perform an autopsy because her 278 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: death appeared to be natural at the time. The coroner 279 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,320 Speaker 1: didn't do one. Under Idaho law, if the death is 280 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 1: considered to be from natural causes, the corner can opt 281 00:18:35,680 --> 00:18:38,960 Speaker 1: not to do an autopsy. The Fremont County Corner isn't 282 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,520 Speaker 1: speaking about this case publicly, but Aida County Corner Dotty 283 00:18:42,560 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 1: Owen says that is unusual. Unless Tammy was under the 284 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: care of a physician. What we would do is we 285 00:18:48,400 --> 00:18:50,959 Speaker 1: would call and speak to the primary care physician, verify 286 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: that history, review those medical records, and then at that 287 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: point release that individual so that that primary care physician 288 00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 1: could sign that death certificate out. At that point, if 289 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,359 Speaker 1: family had refused an autopsy, we would sit down with 290 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: this family, explain why we needed to do it, the 291 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: importance of doing it, and then at that point, if 292 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,200 Speaker 1: we were still met with resistance, we would go ahead 293 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: and just do it based on jurisdiction. And of course 294 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: the next of ken was Chad day Bell, who just 295 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:30,359 Speaker 1: three weeks later remarries Toccult Mom Lorie Valo. Hi, guys, 296 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Here, we have all worked so hard to 297 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 1: bring to you Don't Be a Victim, Fighting Back against 298 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: America's crime Wave, a brand new book. After interviewing literally 299 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:50,120 Speaker 1: hundreds of crime victims and police, we put our knowledge 300 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 1: into Don't Be a Victim. You could pre order now 301 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: go to Crime online dot Com. Pre order now and 302 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:02,800 Speaker 1: know that portions of our proceeds goes to the National 303 00:20:02,880 --> 00:20:12,119 Speaker 1: Center for Missing and Exploited Children Crime Stories. With Nancy Grace, 304 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:21,360 Speaker 1: we are talking about a victim that has gotten very 305 00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: little attention in the never ending saga of Colt Mom 306 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 1: Laurie Valo. Laurie Valo just in court with neon pink 307 00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:38,320 Speaker 1: lipstick and blue tonell polish, her hair artfully arranged for 308 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:41,600 Speaker 1: her appearance, and even then with a courtroom pact of 309 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: family and friends, not one word did she utter. About 310 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 1: the location offer children. In the last hours, we learned 311 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: that both her defense attorneys and the judge walk off 312 00:20:54,760 --> 00:20:58,600 Speaker 1: the case. Why is it because upon questioning, she refused 313 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 1: to tell her defense attorneys if her children were dead 314 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,719 Speaker 1: or alive. But I have my own questions about Tammy 315 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 1: Day Bell to Nate eaton East Idaho News dot com, 316 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 1: what was the race that Tammy Day Bell was set 317 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: to run before her death? It was a five k 318 00:21:15,200 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: here in town that she was working at, running with 319 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: a few of her friends and her family. You know, 320 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:21,560 Speaker 1: one of the things, Nancy, I think a lot of 321 00:21:21,600 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: people forget about Tammy is not only was she a 322 00:21:24,320 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 1: mother of five children, but she was a grandmother. She 323 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: had grandchildren, and in that young age, she's already a grandmom. Yeah, 324 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: she was a grandmother I believe it two or three grandchildren. 325 00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,280 Speaker 1: So she was getting ready for the time in her 326 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,120 Speaker 1: life where she could mentor her grandchildren and spend time 327 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:43,239 Speaker 1: with them. And you've got a question another question. Were 328 00:21:43,280 --> 00:21:45,919 Speaker 1: you in personal question, Nate? How old are you? I 329 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:50,360 Speaker 1: am thirty eight? Okay, well you're knocking on forty. Are 330 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 1: you ready to mentor your grandchildren? Is that what you're 331 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: looking forward to? I'm just curious. I'm not ready for that. 332 00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you something, Nate, this woman had a 333 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 1: full life. She's not planning on sitting on the rocket 334 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 1: chair on the front porch and going back and forth. Okay, 335 00:22:04,600 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: she's running a marathon. She's working in the town library. 336 00:22:08,640 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: She has lots of friends. You said that she was 337 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: going to run the marathon with friends and family. This 338 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,720 Speaker 1: woman has it going on. Don't make her sound like 339 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,400 Speaker 1: an old grandmother. And now she wakes up, I mean, 340 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: her husband wakes up right next to her, and she's dead. 341 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 1: To Joseph Scott Morgan, professor forensic jacksonvill State University, author, 342 00:22:28,440 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: blood beneath my feet, this whole pictures all wrong. Yeah, 343 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:37,439 Speaker 1: it is, Nancy. It's horrible. Why you know this falls 344 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:43,159 Speaker 1: solely within the jurisdiction and responsibility of the corner. And 345 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: I'm not surprised that this person isn't saying anything publicly 346 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: about this because this she flew the plane into the 347 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:52,000 Speaker 1: side of the mountain. With this case, she let this 348 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: body get away without doing a proper examination. And when 349 00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,400 Speaker 1: I say proper examination, she may have gone, as an 350 00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 1: investigator had mentioned to the funeral home to do a 351 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: further examination. But what does that even mean. The problem 352 00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:12,760 Speaker 1: is is that just by natural nashally certified, they didn't 353 00:23:12,760 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 1: even take time to draw toxicology. And you can do 354 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:20,840 Speaker 1: that externally urine speak, regular people talk externally. That means 355 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,320 Speaker 1: you don't have to cut the body open, right. There 356 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: doesn't have to be an invasive procedure in order to 357 00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:29,639 Speaker 1: do this. So just a baseline here would be to 358 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:32,840 Speaker 1: draw toxicology and you would have it forever and ever, amen. 359 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: But they chose not to do this. I gotta tell you, 360 00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,880 Speaker 1: Nancy forty nine years old is very very young to 361 00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: experience a sudden death. And when they're saying this term 362 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 1: unattended death, what they mean is she didn't have a 363 00:23:47,080 --> 00:23:51,120 Speaker 1: primary care physician that would sign the death certificate. They're 364 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 1: not saying that she was all alone. She was in 365 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: the room allegedly with her husband in bed with her 366 00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:59,639 Speaker 1: when she passed on during the night. But the problem 367 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,200 Speaker 1: is that, Okay, okay, corner, you know you're gonna let 368 00:24:03,200 --> 00:24:04,879 Speaker 1: the body go. What are you gonna list as the 369 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,560 Speaker 1: cause of death? What is there a substance? What are 370 00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:12,280 Speaker 1: you gonna say sudden death? That doesn't mean anything. You've 371 00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: got this woman. Well, you know when you're talking about 372 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: things like you know, you're saying she's training for a 373 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 1: marathon or training for this raise. Well, what type of 374 00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:28,479 Speaker 1: physical ailments may she have had in order to cause 375 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 1: her death. Well, there's nothing to hang your hat on. 376 00:24:31,880 --> 00:24:35,520 Speaker 1: You don't have anything that will say, in fact, this 377 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 1: caused her. Did she have a heart attack, did she 378 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 1: have a stroke? None of these things. And one more 379 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: salient point here, if this corner, if the sheriff actually 380 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:49,720 Speaker 1: cared about their community, actually cared about their community, Let's 381 00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:52,160 Speaker 1: just say, with all of these kids that are associated 382 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: with this poor woman, what if there's some kind of 383 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: genetic predisposition for death. This is a sudden death. Maybe 384 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 1: there's something wrong. Maybe they could have helped these children 385 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: by saying, look, you need to look at this in 386 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: the future because your mom, your grandma died when she 387 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:11,439 Speaker 1: was only forty nine years old. That's just a baseline, Nancy. 388 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,640 Speaker 1: This thing does in fact stinct the high Heaven. Well, 389 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,240 Speaker 1: other things are concerning me, jes Scott Morgan. For instance, 390 00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: was she called to the touch? How long has she 391 00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:24,679 Speaker 1: been dead? Was there just for instance, let me just 392 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:29,119 Speaker 1: pull something out of the air, an almond smell about her, which, 393 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 1: as you know, would indicate a particular poison. Was she blew? 394 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: Were the particular in her eyes hemorrhaged to suggest asphyxiation? 395 00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:44,480 Speaker 1: I mean, we have no idea because absent a stabbing 396 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: or shooting death or ligature s jangulation, she could have 397 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: been murdered for all I know, and it would not 398 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:55,439 Speaker 1: have been obvious to the naked eye. It would have 399 00:25:55,560 --> 00:26:00,119 Speaker 1: required a forensic evaluation, Yes, it would have an All 400 00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 1: of that is gone now, you know, we talk about 401 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: all of these poisons, heavy metal poisons, we talk about Hey, Nancy, 402 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,600 Speaker 1: how many times have we covered cases on here involving 403 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:13,600 Speaker 1: eye drops to hydrolazine poisoning, maybe Annie freeze. All of 404 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,439 Speaker 1: these things are completely gone now. The only thing they 405 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: have left to do what what? What? What? What? Wait? 406 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: Regarding touch your hydrozolene, are you telling me that dissipates 407 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 1: in the body after a period of time? Yeah, yeah, 408 00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 1: after a period of time, It certainly could, And you're 409 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: not information would not help me? Are you sure? Are 410 00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 1: you absolutely sure? I am pretty sure with this, Nancy, Yes, absolutely, 411 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:39,920 Speaker 1: And I don't think that they're going to find anything 412 00:26:40,760 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: into tissues now she's already been buried for a protracted 413 00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:47,639 Speaker 1: period of time. She did wear glasses, and I'm guessing 414 00:26:47,800 --> 00:26:51,120 Speaker 1: also had just just throwing it out there. I imagine 415 00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: she also had contact lenses. Go ahead, Yeah, and you 416 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 1: know when when you mentioned, uh, stay for instance of 417 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 1: PATKII well whatever, and says there that there were no Patitia. 418 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: It's the corner certified to do this. Well, how much? 419 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,199 Speaker 1: I got to ask a very disturbing question. When her 420 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: body is prepared for burial and it's at a funeral home, 421 00:27:14,960 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 1: do they remove the eyes if the eyes have been donated? Yes, 422 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,320 Speaker 1: that can that can happen. So there's no way to 423 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:27,840 Speaker 1: tell that now because she was I think Nate Aton 424 00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:32,040 Speaker 1: wasn't she buried formally and through a funeral home where 425 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,080 Speaker 1: various fluids would have been put through her body. Her 426 00:27:36,119 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: internal organs, including her eyes, would have been removed. I'm 427 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 1: not sure if her eyes will remove. We know that 428 00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 1: she wasn'tmbalmed, and that they did not dig her back 429 00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 1: out of the ground. They did not resume her body 430 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,879 Speaker 1: for two months. Guys, let me pause very quickly and 431 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: thank our partner making today's program possible. 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There's so many dead bodies. 458 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,600 Speaker 1: I actually had to make a flow chart to doctor 459 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: Angela Arnold. Psychiatrists joining us or now psychiatrists joining us 460 00:29:56,200 --> 00:30:02,160 Speaker 1: from the Atlanta jurisdiction, Doctor Arnold, what would you expect? 461 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: Would you expect a spouse who was lying in bed 462 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,600 Speaker 1: next to the wife when she dies in the middle 463 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: of the night to want to know the cause of death? 464 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,920 Speaker 1: I mean, I would want to know how long has 465 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 1: she had she been dead? Did she die right after 466 00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:20,600 Speaker 1: they went to bed? Was her body cold to the touch? 467 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: Was she actually in the bed when she was found 468 00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: dead or somewhere else in the home like the bathroom. 469 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:29,960 Speaker 1: There's so many questions, But what would you expect, doctor Angela? 470 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: I completely agree with you, Nancy. I can't even imagine 471 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: that someone would die next to you like you said 472 00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:40,240 Speaker 1: about your own husband, and you wouldn't and you wouldn't 473 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: want to know exactly what happened exactly because it all 474 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: just stinks to me. And do you know what else 475 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: I'm wondering? Why did they drive six hours away to 476 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,480 Speaker 1: bury her? Oh? You know what? I almost asked, Nate 477 00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: Eating that question, But apparently, Nate Eating, let's address that 478 00:30:56,480 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: because a lot of people are gonna want to know that. 479 00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,400 Speaker 1: Why did they drive or as you say, ship with 480 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:02,440 Speaker 1: the body? That's not when happened, Nate eight? And I'm 481 00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: sure they put it in the in the back of 482 00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,360 Speaker 1: um is the other day, Nate? Actually he's yesterday. My 483 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: husband and I were with the twins and a hearse 484 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: drove by it. I said, I don't like seeing herses 485 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:17,400 Speaker 1: drive by and he said My husband said, it's a 486 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:21,720 Speaker 1: very dry sense of humor. I like him when I'm 487 00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:26,160 Speaker 1: not in it. Just you know, So they drove her 488 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:29,920 Speaker 1: six hours away. But isn't it true the whole family 489 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: had lived there and Chad day Bell had then uprooted 490 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 1: and moved. Is that why she was buried six hours away? Yeah? 491 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 1: You're right. Excuse me, Yeah, you're right. They moved her 492 00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,280 Speaker 1: back to Utah. They took her body back to Utah's 493 00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,520 Speaker 1: to the very cemetery that Chad used to care for. 494 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: So this is where all of the family was from. 495 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: The whole family was from there. Okay, um, I want 496 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 1: to skip just one moment speak you know what though, Actually, 497 00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: let's hear it. Take a listen to Nate describing a 498 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:06,000 Speaker 1: very odd occurrence that happened just before Tammy died. Ten 499 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: days before Tammy died, she reported pulling up in the 500 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:12,440 Speaker 1: driveway of her house and that a masked man came 501 00:32:12,560 --> 00:32:16,360 Speaker 1: up behind her and started firing an empty paintball gun 502 00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: at her. She asked what the guy was doing, and 503 00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 1: he didn't respond. She then said that she yelled for 504 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: help and the man took off. The Sheriff's office did 505 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,040 Speaker 1: send somebody out to the home to investigate. She explained 506 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:32,080 Speaker 1: what had happened. There wasn't anything there at the time 507 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: we could do, and everybody kind of freshened her summed 508 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: it up as a prank by somebody's part, But that 509 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:44,000 Speaker 1: was one of the things that was a red flag. 510 00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 1: Do you think it was tied to her death? We 511 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: would like to know. Have you been able to interview 512 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:56,320 Speaker 1: chat about the death of his wife. No, on his accord, 513 00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: he doesn't want to talk right, but you obviously would 514 00:32:59,640 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: like to talk to him about that. We have been 515 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,000 Speaker 1: contacted by his attorney, and that was a couple of 516 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:09,280 Speaker 1: weeks ago, and his attorney was letting us know that 517 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:14,000 Speaker 1: any communications would be through him. Wait a minute, I 518 00:33:14,160 --> 00:33:17,160 Speaker 1: knew about the paintball incident Nate Eaton, but I didn't 519 00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: know Chad day Bell wouldn't speak to cops about Tammy's death. Nope, 520 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:23,600 Speaker 1: he hasn't. He's hired an attorney. He hasn't spoken to 521 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,800 Speaker 1: him about any of this, about anything. He's hired an attorney, 522 00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: and he's moreyared up. Why Daryl Cohen, why why not 523 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,920 Speaker 1: tell the cops? I woke up at seven o'clock in 524 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: the morning and my wife was cold to the touch 525 00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,320 Speaker 1: or I was in the kitchen. I called her name 526 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: to come get some coffee. No response I found X. 527 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:43,880 Speaker 1: Why why not tell the cops what happened? That was? Then? 528 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:48,840 Speaker 1: This is? Now? There's no reason, okay, all right, other 529 00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 1: than they asked I mean, if a cop asked me 530 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: a question, now there's a reason. But now they're more 531 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:57,160 Speaker 1: dead bodies piling up, and now that the reason is there. 532 00:33:57,560 --> 00:33:59,800 Speaker 1: He can't talk to the cops because all he could 533 00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:03,080 Speaker 1: do is get himself with br O U B L E, 534 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: which means processcuted, and he doesn't want that. Man. You 535 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:08,719 Speaker 1: know what, I'm going to use that the next time 536 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: my husband or just basically anybody asked me a question, 537 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,800 Speaker 1: no matter what the question is, I'll say that was 538 00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:17,240 Speaker 1: then this is now, which we'll send them away scratching 539 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:19,960 Speaker 1: their heads because it's a non sequitur. It doesn't follow, 540 00:34:20,080 --> 00:34:22,680 Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense. But you got something with bull's 541 00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:29,120 Speaker 1: eye target and that is an investigation. Bobby Chicone, former 542 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:33,640 Speaker 1: FBI special Agents to our Facebook series Curse of Agricore. Bobby, 543 00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 1: why won't he speak to cops? Yeah, that's a big question, right, 544 00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,719 Speaker 1: And there's there's two. There's a big difference between lawyering up. 545 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: You can lawyer up and still come in for an 546 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: interview with the cops. I've never minded interviewing somebody with 547 00:34:45,040 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: their lawyer president. I mean, they have that right. But 548 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:49,600 Speaker 1: he but when he lawyered up, his lawyer called the 549 00:34:50,280 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: police there is my understanding and said he is not 550 00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:55,400 Speaker 1: going to talk. All communication should come through me. So 551 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,920 Speaker 1: you know, he hasn't even he lawyered up and then 552 00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 1: he refused to talk. That's an ex step that he took. 553 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,840 Speaker 1: The police are perfectly willing to interview him in the 554 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: presence of his lawyer, but he still won't even do that. 555 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,759 Speaker 1: Even with the protections that he has in place, he 556 00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,160 Speaker 1: won't talk to the Bobby. You know, I actually like 557 00:35:11,320 --> 00:35:14,440 Speaker 1: it when the lawyer's there because I enjoy watching the 558 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:21,080 Speaker 1: glances between the person and their lawyers. Hey, I gotta 559 00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,400 Speaker 1: ask you another question, Bobby chick On. Did you know, 560 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:30,800 Speaker 1: Bobby that, in this case, the nephew in law of 561 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,560 Speaker 1: caught mom Laurie Valo somebody took a shot at him 562 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: while driving her dead husband's car. Brandon Bury drou it's 563 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,759 Speaker 1: my shot. At first he thought also that it was 564 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:47,160 Speaker 1: a pink ball gun. Turned out it was a real gun. 565 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:51,879 Speaker 1: My question, do you very narrow question, Bobby Chicone, When 566 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:56,200 Speaker 1: you have a silence, sir, on a gun, what does 567 00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,799 Speaker 1: it sound like when the gun is fired. It really 568 00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,480 Speaker 1: just sounds like a puff of air. Oh, you mean 569 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: like a paintball. Yes, exactly, That's what I'm saying. She 570 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,879 Speaker 1: thought the guy fired to her with a paintball gun. 571 00:36:10,080 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: How do I know it wasn't a real gun and 572 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,480 Speaker 1: he just missed, just like what happens. Too much of 573 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,839 Speaker 1: a coincidence, There is no coincidence in criminal law. I mean, 574 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:23,240 Speaker 1: doctor Angela, Arnold, I know you're an MD. I'm just JD. 575 00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 1: But get real with me for a moment, doctor Angela. 576 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:32,480 Speaker 1: How likely is it? And this close knit family you've got, 577 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: Let's see the third husband, Joseph Ryan. He died of 578 00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 1: a sudden, unexpected heart attack and Laurie Valo had him 579 00:36:39,640 --> 00:36:45,560 Speaker 1: cremated pronto. Then you've got her husband Charles val dead 580 00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: shot by her brother Alex. Alex is dead and Tammy 581 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: day Bell is dead and two missing children. How likely, 582 00:36:55,120 --> 00:36:58,680 Speaker 1: just statistically in your mind, is that that two members 583 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,840 Speaker 1: of this group we're shot at buy a paintball and 584 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: one turned out right paintball gun. One turned out to 585 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:09,319 Speaker 1: be a real gun. I think they will probably both 586 00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,959 Speaker 1: real guns, don't you? Yes? I do. I do think 587 00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:18,319 Speaker 1: shot at with a real gun. I mean, Nancy, if 588 00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:21,319 Speaker 1: it quacks like a duck, it's a duck, Isn't that right? 589 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,800 Speaker 1: You know, I've never heard a psychiatrist actually admit that, 590 00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 1: and I really respect you for that. They exhumed Tammy's body, 591 00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:33,120 Speaker 1: and we're all just what sitting on our thumbs waiting 592 00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,200 Speaker 1: for them to say something. It's been a couple of 593 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:39,000 Speaker 1: months now, up, quick answer, Joe Scott Morgan for I 594 00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,759 Speaker 1: run out of time? How long does an eximation autopsy take? 595 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 1: For Pete's sake? I know not two months? It normally doesn't. 596 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:49,520 Speaker 1: But they're they're having to go back and backtrack. Now 597 00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:51,720 Speaker 1: this is on the shoulders of the Utah State Medical 598 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:54,320 Speaker 1: Examiner where it should have been on the shoulders of 599 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,840 Speaker 1: the local corner. Hey, what about tascology panels? Would that 600 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:00,919 Speaker 1: take longer than two months? Since they're having to work 601 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,320 Speaker 1: their way through embalming fluid? What are you gonna what 602 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,320 Speaker 1: are you going to examine talks coologically? It's all gone. 603 00:38:08,520 --> 00:38:10,960 Speaker 1: All you have left are the tissues that have now 604 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,880 Speaker 1: been involved. That's what they're faced with. Okay, Nate Eton, 605 00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 1: give me some good news about Tammy day Bell. When 606 00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:18,920 Speaker 1: are we going to get the results back? Well? The 607 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,840 Speaker 1: sheriff back in January said he expected it would be 608 00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,719 Speaker 1: within one to two weeks. Obviously we're now two months 609 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,120 Speaker 1: out from that, and I spoke with him yesterday morning. 610 00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 1: He says he's still waiting along with the rest of us, 611 00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,200 Speaker 1: realize that what he said. Let me tell you something, Sheriff, 612 00:38:32,800 --> 00:38:39,560 Speaker 1: You're elected or not. We wait as justice unfolds. Nancy 613 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:42,879 Speaker 1: Grace Crime Stories, signing off, goodbye friend,