1 00:00:01,120 --> 00:00:01,520 Speaker 1: Welcome. 2 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:04,840 Speaker 2: It is verdict was center Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with you, 3 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 2: and it is our debate show. If you watched the 4 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 2: Republican debate, you saw some lively moments. Senator, you watched it, 5 00:00:14,320 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 2: I watched it. Give me your overall takeaway. Who was 6 00:00:17,520 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: the big winner and was there any even a second place? 7 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 3: So you and I are recording this at is eleven 8 00:00:24,520 --> 00:00:26,479 Speaker 3: forty one pm East Coast time. 9 00:00:26,520 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: I'm in DC. 10 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 3: So the debate just ended a few minutes ago. I 11 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:35,800 Speaker 3: gotta say my reaction to it. This was a bumpy debate. 12 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 3: There were a lot of rocky moments. I think most 13 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 3: of the candidates did not help themselves. But my clear 14 00:00:42,800 --> 00:00:46,760 Speaker 3: conclusion from tonight is the big winner was Ron de Santis. 15 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: Why is that? 16 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,120 Speaker 3: I did well? I did not think that in Debate one? 17 00:00:50,240 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 3: So remember Debate one. We came together and I said, 18 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:56,600 Speaker 3: the winners in Debate one were Vivek Ramaswami and Nikki 19 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 3: Haley and a little bit Mike Pens and the real 20 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 3: winner was Donald Trump because all three of them were elevated, 21 00:01:02,600 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 3: and that hurt DeSantis, and DeSantis needs to make it 22 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 3: a two man race with Trump, and so that was 23 00:01:07,760 --> 00:01:10,840 Speaker 3: my take on debate one. I think going into the night, 24 00:01:10,959 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 3: Dessantus needed to do well, and I think he rose 25 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:16,880 Speaker 3: to the occasion. I think he did by far the 26 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 3: best of anyone on the stage several reasons. Number one 27 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 3: is just the behavior of the others. I think they 28 00:01:25,160 --> 00:01:27,560 Speaker 3: bickered like children, and I don't think it helped them. 29 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 3: I think when they were just yelling at each other, 30 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:31,639 Speaker 3: back and forth, and back and forth and back and forth. 31 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 3: When you see a bunch of people screaming at each other, 32 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 3: they don't look like presidents. They're not behaving like presidents. 33 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 3: Presidents don't have to yap at each other. And I 34 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 3: thought there were times, particularly early in the debate, when 35 00:01:44,959 --> 00:01:47,320 Speaker 3: the debate kind of got away from the moderators. As 36 00:01:47,360 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 3: the debate went on, the moderators did a better job 37 00:01:51,360 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 3: of getting a little bit of control of it and 38 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 3: having a little bit more discussion. But DeSantis had several 39 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,600 Speaker 3: He had the best answers of the night. The single 40 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:04,000 Speaker 3: best answer of the night was his answer on education, 41 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 3: and he was the topic came up about education, It 42 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 3: came up about school choice, and he gave a strong, 43 00:02:10,400 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 3: powerful answer about school choice. About how Number one Florida 44 00:02:14,639 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 3: implemented universal school choice. Florida's led the country in school choice, 45 00:02:18,040 --> 00:02:19,919 Speaker 3: so they've got a heck of a record to talk about. 46 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 3: He was asked about the attacks on their efforts to 47 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 3: root out critical race theory in Florida, and he directly 48 00:02:28,520 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 3: confronted that, and I thought it was a tight, crisp 49 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 3: answer that was strong. A second answer that was very 50 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 3: very strong is where he talked about having victories and listen, 51 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:43,520 Speaker 3: the reason people got excited about Dissantis when he launched 52 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:46,080 Speaker 3: the campaign is the victories that he had in Florida, 53 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:50,680 Speaker 3: big policy victories. He emphasized that. The third answer that 54 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:53,280 Speaker 3: was really strong is where he talked about winning, and 55 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 3: he talked about winning in Florida even as nationally we 56 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 3: were getting clobbered. In twenty twenty two, he won by 57 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 3: nineteen points. And I think he did an effective argument 58 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 3: in many ways. His strongest argument against Trump is that 59 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 3: he won by while many other candidates that Trump had 60 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,560 Speaker 3: supported nationally did not win that cycle. And and and 61 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 3: his argument, you want a winner, you want someone who 62 00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 3: can beat the Democrats. I'm that guy. I think he 63 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 3: articulated it much much better tonight than he did in 64 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,320 Speaker 3: the first debate that that's why I think Ron de 65 00:03:26,360 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 3: Santus won tonight. 66 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 2: You know, he mentioned that that you know, there's we've 67 00:03:29,520 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 2: lost the last three times. As he described it, right, 68 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:35,000 Speaker 2: we were supposed to win in the last midterm elections. 69 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 2: We were supposed to win the election before that and 70 00:03:37,240 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 2: the one before that, and we didn't. And and he 71 00:03:40,080 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 2: he also compared in contrast as you mentioned, I think 72 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:46,200 Speaker 2: extremely well, and it clearly clicked I think with people watching. 73 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 2: As I was watching it live, just like you were there, 74 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,280 Speaker 2: I was like, okay, this is this is one of 75 00:03:51,320 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 2: those quasi moments where he was reminding people of history, 76 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 2: like not only did we win when when the nation 77 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:02,040 Speaker 2: was losing, when the Republicans are losing on nights, we 78 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:06,120 Speaker 2: should have won, but we want it expanded in Florida. 79 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 2: That was a potent moment to remind people that we 80 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 2: should have control of the Senate right now and we 81 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 2: don't because we had some bad candidate selection. 82 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: Let's just be honest. 83 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 3: Look, Republicans desperately want to win. The Biden record is 84 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,920 Speaker 3: an absolute train wreck. And I got to admit I 85 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 3: lay awake at night in cold sweats that we will 86 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 3: see the Democrats re elected in twenty twenty four. The 87 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:32,320 Speaker 3: damage they've done to the country in the last two 88 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:34,480 Speaker 3: and a half years, Holy cow, if they get another 89 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 3: four what a bad outcome for the country. So, as 90 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 3: I'm looking for a candidate, I want someone to can 91 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 3: win the damn race. And in many ways that is 92 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 3: Desantus's strongest argument. And in the first debate he didn't 93 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 3: really make it, and he came a lot closer to 94 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:52,280 Speaker 3: making it tonight, so I think he did better as 95 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 3: a result. 96 00:04:53,200 --> 00:04:55,720 Speaker 2: Let's talk about the poll numbers coming out of this 97 00:04:55,800 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 2: real quick, give me your predictions of who rises and 98 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 2: who We had already had one candidate out of Arkansas 99 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:07,280 Speaker 2: who's fallen off the debate stage, did not qualify for 100 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:10,280 Speaker 2: this one. Everybody's goal is to make it to Miami 101 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 2: to the next debate in what four or five weeks? 102 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:15,240 Speaker 1: That's obviously the center goal. 103 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:19,360 Speaker 2: But who helped themselves, who is going to go backwards 104 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: and who could be in real trouble. 105 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 3: Look, I think the ends of the debate stage we 106 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,160 Speaker 3: saw Asa Hutchison fall off. I think the ends of 107 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 3: the debate stage are at real risk of being eliminated 108 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:36,320 Speaker 3: from the stage. Doug Bergham. His numbers, it's not clear 109 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 3: that he qualified for tonight, but they allowed him on 110 00:05:38,480 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 3: the stage. But I think his numbers, he's going to 111 00:05:41,320 --> 00:05:43,400 Speaker 3: have to do a whole lot of movement to qualify 112 00:05:43,440 --> 00:05:46,400 Speaker 3: for the next debate stage. I think Mike Pence, he's 113 00:05:46,400 --> 00:05:49,239 Speaker 3: the vice president, former vice president of the United States. 114 00:05:49,279 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 3: He's a good man, he's a friend. But I think 115 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,279 Speaker 3: he's right at the edge of not making the next debate. Also, 116 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 3: narrowing the debate stage is a good thing this race, 117 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 3: if there's going to be a real race. Look, in 118 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 3: many ways, this is sort of like a basketball playoff, 119 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 3: where it's a playoff to see who goes gets to 120 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 3: go against Donald Trump. And I guess you can sort 121 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 3: of think about it that Trump gets a bye. He's 122 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:20,800 Speaker 3: the former president, he's decided to skip the debates. So 123 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 3: in some ways, ask. 124 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:24,640 Speaker 2: You this real quickly. Is that still you think the 125 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:28,440 Speaker 2: smart strategy? Obviously, I think was the right strategy for 126 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 2: debate number one at the end of tonight, Was it 127 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,599 Speaker 2: also the right strategy for him to skip debate number two? 128 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 3: Maybe maybe not. Look, I think he's enough ahead in 129 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 3: the polls, the national polls, He's up forty plus points. 130 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 3: I mean, that's a strong lead. And I think his 131 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 3: his analysis, and it's not a crazy analysis, is he's 132 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 3: so far ahead, why would he go and from his 133 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 3: perspective elevate the other candidates. You know, you think about 134 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 3: in twenty sixteen, you had two debates. You had the 135 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 3: main debate and you had what everyone called the kid's table, 136 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 3: which were the candidates that were at one and two percent, 137 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 3: and very few people watch the kids table. What Trump 138 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,239 Speaker 3: has effectively done by skipping the debate is he's trying 139 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 3: to turn everyone else into the kids table, like this 140 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:14,960 Speaker 3: is not the real candidates, He's the only candidate. I 141 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:19,560 Speaker 3: understand that strategy. That is a perfectly rational debate strategy. 142 00:07:19,600 --> 00:07:22,480 Speaker 3: I will say, you know, Trump got popped a little 143 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 3: more tonight than he did on the first night, and 144 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 3: in particular, I think desanis hitting him on abortion in life. 145 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:34,080 Speaker 3: Look Trump's answer where he said it was a terrible 146 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 3: thing that the state of Florida passed a law protecting life. 147 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:42,720 Speaker 3: That's an answer if you're talking to pro life activists 148 00:07:42,760 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 3: in Iowa. I don't know how you defend that answer. 149 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,840 Speaker 3: And I think Trump did a good or rather dissantis 150 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 3: did a good job of really holding Trump to account 151 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 3: for it. Now, if he'd been there, Trump could have 152 00:07:52,880 --> 00:07:55,520 Speaker 3: given it an answer. Trump would have presumably said, look, 153 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 3: I'm the guy that appointed three justices that overturn Roe 154 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 3: versus Wade. I mean, he would have made a forceful response. 155 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,560 Speaker 3: But he wasn't there. And that's one of the consequences 156 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 3: of not being there is someone can take a swing, 157 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:13,240 Speaker 3: they can hit you, and there's not anyone there who's 158 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 3: gonna respond or defend you. So there were several shots 159 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 3: at Trump. 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There was a very 203 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:43,560 Speaker 2: interesting dynamic on the stage where the elder statesman at 204 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 2: the far right was Mike Pence. If you were watching 205 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:50,040 Speaker 2: the instant responses on social media, there were some people 206 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 2: that felt that he came across as maybe a little 207 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 2: bit too condescending to others on the stage. Some referred 208 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 2: to it as the Washington not it all arrogance. And 209 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 2: then you had the who had a pretty good debate 210 00:11:02,000 --> 00:11:03,800 Speaker 2: last time. I don't think he had as good of 211 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 2: a debate this time, that's my opinion. And you know, 212 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 2: he was getting hit from all sides tonight, a lot 213 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,679 Speaker 2: of people attacking him on maybe some of his naivete 214 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 2: on things like China, and he even said, look, sometimes 215 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,720 Speaker 2: I come across as and know it all, almost accepting. 216 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: That about him. 217 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:23,600 Speaker 2: Your reaction to that dynamic of two very different people 218 00:11:23,640 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 2: at very different stages in their career. 219 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, Vivek had a much rougher night tonight than 220 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 3: he did in the first debate. First debate, he did excellent. 221 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:36,559 Speaker 3: He surprised a lot of people. He got on a 222 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 3: lot of people's radar. He really did well tonight. Look, 223 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 3: the other candidates don't like Vivec and they did not 224 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,600 Speaker 3: hide that they were taking shots at him, and it 225 00:11:48,679 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 3: was that there was some pretty sneering moments. I do 226 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 3: think that the shot that scored the most was the 227 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 3: argument that several candidates made, that Nikki Haley made, that 228 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:02,440 Speaker 3: Tim Scott made about being in bed with communist China, 229 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 3: and they made some pretty specific allegations of him being 230 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 3: paid by the same players that paid Hunter. 231 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 2: Biden five million by the way, paid to Hunter Biden 232 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,920 Speaker 2: five million dollars, the same people, which when when you 233 00:12:16,000 --> 00:12:18,080 Speaker 2: hear that on stage, that's a that's a big for me, 234 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:19,280 Speaker 2: a red flag, right. 235 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:21,960 Speaker 3: And Vivek did not have a good answer to that. 236 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 3: He he he just he didn't respond on the substance, 237 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:28,960 Speaker 3: he just said, well, well, we need to follow Ronald 238 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 3: Reagan's eleventh commandment, so don't criticize me. And and and 239 00:12:31,840 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 3: I got to say in the last debate, Vivek did 240 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:40,360 Speaker 3: not follow Ronald Reagan's eleventh commandment. And I will say, 241 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 3: to Tim Scott's credit, Tim's best moment was when he 242 00:12:43,840 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 3: turned to him and said, hold on a second, Vivek, 243 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 3: you said every one of us is bought and paid for. 244 00:12:49,080 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 3: Who the hell are you to say that. That was 245 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,400 Speaker 3: a good moment for Tim because it really was a 246 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:57,000 Speaker 3: pretty obnoxious thing for Vivek to say to allege that 247 00:12:57,040 --> 00:12:59,240 Speaker 3: the other candidates are bought and paid for. And if 248 00:12:59,240 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 3: you're gonna do that, if you're gonna say to the 249 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:05,120 Speaker 3: other candidates, you guys are all prostitutes, you don't get 250 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 3: to complain moments later, Hey, don't criticize me, be nice 251 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,480 Speaker 3: to me. We shouldn't be be criticizing each other. And 252 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 3: so I think that, uh. 253 00:13:15,320 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 2: That was almost one of the big inexperienced moments when 254 00:13:18,120 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 2: I laugh when people say I want a new face 255 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 2: who hadn't done this before, and I'm like, until you don't. 256 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 2: And my point is sometimes experience in politics is actually important, 257 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,080 Speaker 2: and it's important especially when you get elected. It's really 258 00:13:31,120 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 2: important when you're dealing with foreign leaders and world leaders 259 00:13:33,800 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 2: at a very high level, when you're dealing with negotiations. 260 00:13:37,160 --> 00:13:40,040 Speaker 2: If you've never been there before, this whole idea of oh, 261 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 2: I'm the new guy in the block, it's cute until 262 00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 2: it's not. 263 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 3: Look, I think the job of president of the United 264 00:13:46,000 --> 00:13:49,160 Speaker 3: States is a very serious position. I think the burdens 265 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 3: of it are enormous. There's a reason why just about 266 00:13:51,520 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 3: every president who's ever served seems to age about twenty 267 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:57,719 Speaker 3: years in the job. It is an insanely difficult job. 268 00:13:57,760 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 4: You know. 269 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 3: I'm reminded of when Trump was newly elected, and I 270 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 3: think it was March of twenty seventeen. Trump had heiding 271 00:14:07,160 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 3: and me and the girls to the White House for 272 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 3: dinner and it was a marvelous time. It was very 273 00:14:12,320 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 3: nice of him to invite them, and we brought our 274 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:17,679 Speaker 3: girls there and as we're walking, we're walking by the 275 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 3: Rose Garden, Trump looks at me and says, Wow, who 276 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,200 Speaker 3: knew this job was so tough? And I got to 277 00:14:24,240 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 3: admit I was. I am rarely at a loss for words. 278 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 3: I was genuinely flabbergasted. I was like, yes, some of 279 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 3: us kind of had that idea. I mean it was 280 00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 3: really a kind of And listen, don't take that comment wrong. 281 00:14:41,200 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 3: I think when Trump was president, we accomplished an enormous amount. 282 00:14:45,280 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 3: But I also think this is a job that requires 283 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 3: a seriousness of purpose, a seriousness of execution, on ability 284 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:58,760 Speaker 3: to communicate, to motivate, to get the job done, and 285 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 3: it is a I am generally skeptical of any candidate 286 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 3: who's never served in in any government position waking up 287 00:15:10,400 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 3: and saying, you know, I should be president of the 288 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 3: United States other than generals who won World Wars that 289 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 3: there's not a great history of that. 290 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: Yeah. 291 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:25,240 Speaker 2: Great point when you look at this moving forward and 292 00:15:25,320 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 2: you sit there and you go, okay, I'm Donald Trump tonight. Afterwards, 293 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 2: I'm obviously going to watch this thing he did his 294 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 2: counterprogramming with you know, uaw et cetera. But afterwards, eventually 295 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:38,080 Speaker 2: you're gonna sit down, You're gonna take a look at this. 296 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,760 Speaker 2: Are you uneasy or do you still feel very confident 297 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 2: that you're still going to have a forty point lead 298 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 2: after all this? 299 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 3: Oh, look, I think Trump will still have a big, big, lead, 300 00:15:48,680 --> 00:15:51,920 Speaker 3: but he's not happy that DeSantis did well. Trump would 301 00:15:51,920 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 3: have been very happy if if Ron De Santis had 302 00:15:54,080 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 3: sucked tonight, because as long as they're a bunch of candidates. 303 00:15:58,000 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 3: It's why in Debate one, I said the biggest winner 304 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 3: in Debate one was Donald Trump, because if there are 305 00:16:03,280 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 3: two or three or four people on the stage that 306 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 3: are gaining a pointer or two, he's winning. As long 307 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 3: as that field is fractured, he's winning. If DeSantis gets 308 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:15,600 Speaker 3: some real momentum, if he makes it more of a 309 00:16:15,640 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 3: two man race, that's not ideal for Trump. And so 310 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 3: I'm confident Trump is not happy about that aspect. I 311 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 3: do think the next debate we will see one or 312 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,640 Speaker 3: two people eliminated from the stage. I think the smaller 313 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 3: it gets, the more of a threat it poses to 314 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 3: Trump and everyone in the media who is saying this 315 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 3: race is over. Listen. That is at least a historical 316 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 3: at this point. At this point in the race, we're 317 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 3: still in September before the election. At this point in 318 00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 3: the race, Jeb Bush was still the dominant leader. He 319 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 3: was starting to fade, and Scott Walker was becoming the 320 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 3: dominant leader. In twenty sixteen, after Walker, you had a 321 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,200 Speaker 3: Ben Carson moment where he says for about two weeks 322 00:17:01,240 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 3: he had a huge surge, and then after that you 323 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 3: had Marco Rubio. And at the end of the day, 324 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 3: if you look at twenty sixteen, Trump and I went 325 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,360 Speaker 3: head to head, we were one and two in almost 326 00:17:13,359 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 3: every single state. No other candidate won more than a 327 00:17:16,800 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 3: single state Kasikua, Ohio, Rubio one Minnesota, and Trump and 328 00:17:21,040 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 3: I won every other state in the country. I won 329 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 3: twelve states, He won the rest of them. So my 330 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:29,240 Speaker 3: point is, the people who were dominant leaders in the 331 00:17:29,280 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 3: polls today in the twenty sixteen cycle did not win 332 00:17:35,400 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 3: a single state. So the world can change a lot. 333 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 3: That being said, Trump is still in a very strong position. 334 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 3: I mean, a forty point lead in the polls is 335 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 3: not nothing. It just doesn't mean the race is over. 336 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 3: As some in the media are wont to say. 337 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:51,959 Speaker 1: Let's talk about foreign policy. 338 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 2: I actually was a little bit disappointed in the depth 339 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 2: of that conversation, and I want to get your reaction 340 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 2: to it. There was obviously a lot of talk about China, 341 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 2: specifically with Vivek, but then you deal with Ukraine and 342 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,399 Speaker 2: you deal with border. The border issue, for example, it 343 00:18:09,480 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 2: didn't seem to have a lot of depth there that 344 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:14,240 Speaker 2: I think many people were hoping for. 345 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:18,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, there wasn't a whole lot of substance. There wasn't 346 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,400 Speaker 3: a whole lot of analysis of what caused the border crisis. 347 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 3: I don't think any of those candidates have spent significant 348 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 3: time at our southern border. I didn't get the sense 349 00:18:28,320 --> 00:18:31,600 Speaker 3: that any of them fully understood it. You didn't have 350 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 3: an explanation as to the to the real human tragedy 351 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,720 Speaker 3: that our crisis of the southern border is and why 352 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 3: Joe Biden is directly responsible for it. Look, I will 353 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 3: say Chris Christie, Chris Christi is the one candidate on 354 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:49,800 Speaker 3: that stage who attacks Trump and does so repeatedly. I 355 00:18:49,840 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 3: don't think he helped himself a whole lot tonight. So, 356 00:18:52,080 --> 00:18:54,639 Speaker 3: for example, one of his big attacks on Trump, and 357 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:57,879 Speaker 3: he's been doing this on Twitter before, is he says 358 00:18:57,920 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 3: Trump didn't build the wall and he didn't make Mexico 359 00:19:00,920 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 3: pay for it. Now, look, I get that's probably a 360 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,720 Speaker 3: pretty good line if you're dealing with hedge fund owners 361 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:11,800 Speaker 3: and donors, but it's a stupid policy attack. Look, there 362 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:15,320 Speaker 3: are things that I wish Trump had done differently as president, 363 00:19:15,880 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 3: but on immigration, his record on immigration is excellent. And 364 00:19:21,359 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 3: when Trump left the White House, we had the lowest 365 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 3: rate of illegal immigration in forty five years. He negotiated 366 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:32,680 Speaker 3: the Remain in Mexico Agreement. The Remain in Mexico Agreement worked, 367 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 3: It worked spectacularly well. Joe Biden inherited an incredible success 368 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 3: on illegal immigration, and Joe Biden deliberately blew it up 369 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 3: within days of becoming president. And so I think Christy 370 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 3: attacking Trump. Look, do I wish he'd built more border wall, sure, 371 00:19:50,119 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 3: but not acknowledging that on securing the border. Donald Trump 372 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,440 Speaker 3: did more to secure the border than any president we 373 00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 3: have had in our nation's history, and in any candidate. 374 00:20:01,520 --> 00:20:04,120 Speaker 3: Not saying that is being dishonest. So if you want 375 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:08,400 Speaker 3: to find grounds to disagree with Trump, fine, but that attack. 376 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 3: I don't know of a Republican voter who's persuaded by 377 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:16,080 Speaker 3: that attack, unless it's someone that already hates Trump, and 378 00:20:16,119 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 3: then they're like, yeah, yeah, Mexico didn't pay for it. 379 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,840 Speaker 3: It's like, come on, guys, I mean, he did more 380 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:24,640 Speaker 3: than anyone else has ever done, and the results were 381 00:20:24,680 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 3: really good. 382 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:29,080 Speaker 2: And look, yeah, he was clearly trying Chris Christy was 383 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,200 Speaker 2: clearly trying to have a moment. I want to play 384 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 2: that because it was a very interesting part of the 385 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,480 Speaker 2: debate you just mentioned it. Here is Chris Christy, in 386 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:36,440 Speaker 2: his own words. 387 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 5: Governor Christie, as governor of a non border state in 388 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:44,160 Speaker 5: twenty ten, you supported a path to citizenship, but when 389 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 5: you run for president in twenty sixteen you flipped saying 390 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 5: immigrants should be trucked like Edix packages. Where do you 391 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 5: stand now on a path to citizenship for eleven million 392 00:20:57,359 --> 00:20:58,560 Speaker 5: of on the commented immigrants. 393 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 4: The problem is that since no one has done anything 394 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 4: since we first had this discussion thirteen years ago, we're 395 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:06,880 Speaker 4: not in a position to be able to do any 396 00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 4: of that anymore. What we have to do now is 397 00:21:09,840 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 4: first treat this like the law enforcement problem. It is. 398 00:21:13,000 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 4: Our laws are being broken every day at the southern 399 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 4: border every day, and Joe Biden and his crew is 400 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 4: doing nothing about enforcing that law. 401 00:21:21,359 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: They are letting it go. 402 00:21:22,400 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 4: And by the way, they announced during the presidential race 403 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:25,399 Speaker 4: that we're going to. 404 00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: Let it go. 405 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,760 Speaker 4: And we need to have a president who acts like 406 00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 4: I did as governor, enforce the law first and foremost. 407 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 4: And that means what I'll do on day one is 408 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,720 Speaker 4: sign an executive order to send the National Guard to 409 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 4: partner with Customs and Border Patrol to make sure that 410 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 4: we stop the flow of fentanyl over the border, but 411 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,879 Speaker 4: also to make sure that we send a much different message. 412 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 4: We want you here in this country to fill the 413 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 4: six million vacant jobs we have, but only if you 414 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 4: come here to follow the law, and only if you 415 00:21:58,440 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 4: come here legally. Come here illegally, we will apprehend you 416 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 4: and we will send you back across the border from 417 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,359 Speaker 4: which you came. And the fact is that until we 418 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 4: set a lawn order agenda in this country, not only 419 00:22:11,359 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 4: now but in the future, we won't be able to 420 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 4: continue this. And I'll look, I'll tell you this. Donald 421 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:19,359 Speaker 4: Trump failed on this as well. He said he was 422 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,800 Speaker 4: going to build a wall across the whole border. He 423 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:23,640 Speaker 4: built fifty two miles a wall and said. 424 00:22:23,480 --> 00:22:24,520 Speaker 1: Mexico would pay for it. 425 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,040 Speaker 4: Guess what I think if Mexico knew that he was 426 00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:28,879 Speaker 4: only going to build fifty two miles, they might have 427 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:30,159 Speaker 4: paid for the fifty two miles. 428 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 2: But by the way, let center, if he would have 429 00:22:34,040 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 2: just stopped before he took the cheap shot at Trump, 430 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,119 Speaker 2: which I don't think landed with anybody that was watching, 431 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,879 Speaker 2: certainly not Trump supporters. It would have actually been a 432 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:43,719 Speaker 2: pretty decent response to the question. 433 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,600 Speaker 3: Yeah. Look, there is not a single human being on 434 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 3: planet Earth that thinks Chris Christie would be better on 435 00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,199 Speaker 3: stopping illegal immigration than Donald Trump was. 436 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: There just isn't. 437 00:22:56,960 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 3: The question began with, gosh, you flip flopped and you've 438 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 3: embraced amnesty repeatedly in your career, and Chris Christy built 439 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 3: his career as a blue state governor and a liberal, 440 00:23:06,520 --> 00:23:11,840 Speaker 3: demoderate Republican and so the attack. Look, I think in 441 00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 3: debates and in politics, truth and authenticity matters that when 442 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 3: you have when you make a point that's from the heart, 443 00:23:20,359 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 3: that's real, that can land. And so it's why I 444 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,840 Speaker 3: think Dessantus's point about we need to win and we 445 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,200 Speaker 3: didn't win the way we should have in twenty eighteen, 446 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 3: twenty twenty and twenty twenty two, that's a real argument. 447 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 3: That's something primary voters are like, holy crap, we can't 448 00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,240 Speaker 3: lose in twenty four and I'm a little bit nervous. 449 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 3: I don't want us to lose, Like that's an argument 450 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 3: that has some teeth. The argument that Trump didn't care 451 00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,960 Speaker 3: enough about securing the border. It's just not true. And 452 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 3: I don't think it hurts any of the candidates to 453 00:23:51,520 --> 00:23:54,560 Speaker 3: acknowledge truth and reality to say, yeah, look, I mean, 454 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,040 Speaker 3: we had some real successes on securing the borders. There're 455 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 3: more to do, sure, but you didn't have anyone explain 456 00:24:02,840 --> 00:24:07,200 Speaker 3: what caused this crisis was the decision one decision from 457 00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:11,679 Speaker 3: Joe Biden, which is to embrace catch and release, so 458 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 3: that now when illegal immigrants are apprehended, they let them 459 00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 3: go and they don't deport them. 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This did seem to be something 504 00:26:32,080 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 2: that Republicans agreed on that we have a big problem. 505 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,200 Speaker 1: The issue is how do you fight back. 506 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:41,440 Speaker 2: Nikki Haley said, time to go to war economically with China. 507 00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:43,200 Speaker 1: As she described it, until they. 508 00:26:43,080 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 2: Stopped sending all the fetanyl into this country that's killing Americans. 509 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,480 Speaker 2: She described it as they're at war with us. They're 510 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 2: taking our stealing our intellectual property. They're stealing everything then 511 00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:55,280 Speaker 2: get their hands on from us. They're setting up spy 512 00:26:55,359 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 2: bases in Cuba. They've done countless things that compromises countries, 513 00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,240 Speaker 2: spybal over this country as well, and this president clearly 514 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,159 Speaker 2: seems to be compromise and cannot stand up to China. 515 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,560 Speaker 2: I think we can all agree on that, but there 516 00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 2: did seem to be a sent on stage that hey, 517 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 2: it's time to go on offense and to stop letting 518 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:15,960 Speaker 2: China run all over us. 519 00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,240 Speaker 3: Well, look, you know it's interesting. You just said a 520 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 3: minute ago in your question you said this President Joe 521 00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:24,560 Speaker 3: Biden has compromised on China. It was interesting. There was 522 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 3: not a word said tonight about Biden's corruption, about the 523 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:32,920 Speaker 3: WHI was shocking, and there was very little said about 524 00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:37,800 Speaker 3: Biden's record. There was very little said. What I found curious, 525 00:27:39,040 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 3: and it's why I think most of the candidates did 526 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,480 Speaker 3: not have a great night tonight. There was very little 527 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,520 Speaker 3: said about why they were the best candidate to beat 528 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,879 Speaker 3: Donald Trump. And in the primary, that's the only question 529 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 3: is who can win the primary, And there was very 530 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 3: little said about why they were the best candidate to 531 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 3: beat Joe Biden. And at the end of the day, 532 00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,840 Speaker 3: that's what Republican primary voters are looking for. And it 533 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 3: was it was odd. When it came to Trump, most 534 00:28:08,080 --> 00:28:11,560 Speaker 3: of the candidates seem to forget that he existed, and 535 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 3: when it came to Joe Biden, by and large, most 536 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:18,000 Speaker 3: of the candidates for god he existed, and you're trying 537 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:20,439 Speaker 3: to prosecute a case. You're trying to make the case 538 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 3: that I'm the guy or I'm the gal to take 539 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 3: us to victory. And on China, look, there was some 540 00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 3: rhetoric China's bad, China's bad, China's bad, But what we 541 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 3: didn't hear from anybody was a systematic, comprehensive plan to 542 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 3: how do we beat China. And I believe I've talked 543 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 3: about this a lot, that we need the sword of 544 00:28:44,120 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 3: systematic plan that Reagan had to win the Cold War, 545 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,959 Speaker 3: a plan that takes on that that combats China's lies. 546 00:28:52,040 --> 00:28:55,640 Speaker 3: It's murder, its torture, it's genocide, it's espionage, it's theft, 547 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 3: its propaganda that goes after China, and there was very 548 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 3: little said about how specifically. 549 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 4: We do that. 550 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,560 Speaker 3: There was some general rhetoric China bad, but not a 551 00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 3: whole lot of substance. So therefore, what. 552 00:29:11,120 --> 00:29:13,880 Speaker 2: I was shocked by what you just mentioned, and let's 553 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:15,920 Speaker 2: dive into this for a moment. I think it was 554 00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 2: a huge mistake to not bring up the big breaking 555 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 2: news that you and I broke on this podcast yesterday 556 00:29:24,320 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 2: in a. 557 00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 3: Quarter million dollars sent to Joe Biden's house. 558 00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, from Beijing, and no one mentioned it. On top 559 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 2: of the fact that it broke after we did that 560 00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 2: show that based on the Plea deal agreement that was 561 00:29:36,800 --> 00:29:40,000 Speaker 2: given by David Weiss, it said in that plea agreement 562 00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:44,640 Speaker 2: that during the time that payment was made, the residence 563 00:29:44,720 --> 00:29:46,520 Speaker 2: for Hunter Biden was in California. 564 00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:47,960 Speaker 1: That's in the plea agreement. 565 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:49,880 Speaker 2: That came out as kind of like, hey, if you 566 00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,200 Speaker 2: think that he was living in this house, that's the 567 00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 2: same residents of the President of the United States of America, 568 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 2: you know, in Delaware, you're wrong. The plea agreement said 569 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,320 Speaker 2: during the time, and it also came out afterwards Center 570 00:30:02,680 --> 00:30:05,360 Speaker 2: that in his own book that Hunter Biden wrote, he 571 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,000 Speaker 2: also said his book that he was living in California 572 00:30:08,040 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 2: at the time that wire transfer would have come through. 573 00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,240 Speaker 2: So there's even a bigger problem there, and no one 574 00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 2: said anything about it on stage. That was a huge mistake, 575 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 2: I think for all of them. 576 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 3: Well, if you think about any moment, and this was 577 00:30:23,480 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 3: a long debate, this was a two hour debate and 578 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 3: by the way, I got to say, there's something weird 579 00:30:27,520 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 3: about the debate at the Reagan Library. So in twenty sixteen, 580 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 3: we had a debate at the Reagan Library, right on 581 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,200 Speaker 3: the stage where they were, and the twenty sixteen debate 582 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 3: that was the CNN debate, and it went three hours. 583 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 3: It was the longest debate of the entire cycle. And 584 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 3: I remember, I don't know if this was true tonight, 585 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,440 Speaker 3: but in twenty sixteen, the Reagan Library did not have 586 00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 3: air conditioning that was made to survive the cleague lights 587 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:57,200 Speaker 3: of a television debate, and so it was hot. 588 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,720 Speaker 2: And that many warm bodies in the room. People don't 589 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 2: realize as rooms get hot and you have that many 590 00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:01,600 Speaker 2: people in there. 591 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,160 Speaker 3: There was a whole audience of people that there are 592 00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:07,600 Speaker 3: bright lights. I remember by the third hour, we were 593 00:31:07,800 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 3: drenched in sweat and I was standing there. I was 594 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,680 Speaker 3: actually standing, Mike Huckabee was next to me, Marco Rubio 595 00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 3: was next to me. Actually, Marco, to his credit, had 596 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 3: a handkerchief which which he let both Huckabee and me 597 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 3: use because we were both sweating like crazy, and it 598 00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:26,560 Speaker 3: was by hour three. It was unpleasant. Now, the good 599 00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:28,800 Speaker 3: news is I think there were six people in the 600 00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:31,080 Speaker 3: entire world that stayed up to watch the third hour 601 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 3: of that debate, So it didn't matter that we all 602 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 3: looked like we were drowning in our own sweat. I 603 00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 3: couldn't tell if they had the same issue this time, 604 00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 3: but I will say in two hours, it was striking 605 00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 3: that there was not really an effective case made. Here's 606 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 3: how we beat Joe Biden and that matters a lot. 607 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 3: Nor was there an effective case. You know, Dana Prino 608 00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,080 Speaker 3: tried to get to it when she said, Okay, write 609 00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,240 Speaker 3: down on your piece of paper who you're going to 610 00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:02,600 Speaker 3: vote off the island. And by the way, I will 611 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 3: credit the candidates for all of them saying no, we're 612 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,200 Speaker 3: not playing that kind of BS game. That was the 613 00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:11,840 Speaker 3: right response for them to say no. But even though 614 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,400 Speaker 3: you don't write on a card, you're not playing Jeopardy. 615 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,880 Speaker 3: There wasn't really anyone making the case other than the Santis, 616 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,840 Speaker 3: which is why I think he won tonight. There wasn't 617 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:25,640 Speaker 3: really anyone making the case I'm the right standard bearer 618 00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 3: to win the primary, and I'm the right standard bearer 619 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:30,360 Speaker 3: to win the general and here's how and why. 620 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: Yeah. 621 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:34,800 Speaker 2: There was also a lot of missus people said, at 622 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,600 Speaker 2: least in response online, that this debate was on Univision 623 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 2: and they didn't feel like the candidates did a good 624 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 2: enough job reaching out to Hispanic voters. 625 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: Your reaction to that as well. 626 00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 3: Look, I think they did almost nothing. I mean to 627 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:55,360 Speaker 3: Hispanic voters. Listen, the Hispanic community. Our community is fundamentally conservative. 628 00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 3: It is culturally conservative. You look at the values that 629 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,480 Speaker 3: resonate in the Hispanic CAAs community. 630 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: Family oriented, very family oriented. 631 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 3: Family faith, patriotism, hard work, the American dream. Those are 632 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 3: values that are fundamentally conservative. You didn't see anyone saying, 633 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 3: you know what, you want to talk about the Hispanic community. 634 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 3: The Hispanic community in South Texas and in California and 635 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:22,800 Speaker 3: Arizona's getting hammered by seven point six million illegal immigrants. 636 00:33:22,800 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 3: By the way, every candidate tonight got the number wrong. 637 00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 3: They all said six million. Your numbers or are a 638 00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:30,640 Speaker 3: million and a half off. It's up to seven point six. 639 00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,200 Speaker 3: The candidates should get their numbers right. But they didn't 640 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 3: talk about the misery that is being imposed on the 641 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,280 Speaker 3: Hispanic community by this crisis of illegal immigration. 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Every 682 00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 2: candidate wants a moment when they're on stage and they 683 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 2: want to have these big moments that are talked about. 684 00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,799 Speaker 2: Nicky Haley tried to land one against the deck and 685 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,080 Speaker 2: this is what it sounded like. 686 00:35:58,360 --> 00:35:59,960 Speaker 3: Every time I hear you, I feel a little bit 687 00:36:00,120 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 3: dumber for what you say. 688 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,160 Speaker 1: I don't think that landed the way she was hoping. 689 00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 2: It didn't come across to me as I was watching 690 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,319 Speaker 2: it is this you know, big moment. I get that 691 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 2: what she was trying to accomplish. Was that a mistake? 692 00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a mistake. It that moment was harsh 693 00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:22,320 Speaker 3: and it seemed too harsh. Look, look, Haley's a talented candidate. 694 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,160 Speaker 3: She's a talented communicator. She's one of the best communicators 695 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:27,960 Speaker 3: on that stage. She had a really good night in 696 00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,160 Speaker 3: the first debate. This one was not nearly as good. 697 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 3: That shot was mean spirited, it wasn't substantive in a debate, 698 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:39,759 Speaker 3: I think you're almost always better disagreeing with someone on 699 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:44,280 Speaker 3: substance rather than just sort of one line at hominem attacks. 700 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 3: And by the way, look, you can disagree with Evey 701 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,840 Speaker 3: because you could say that he doesn't have the experience 702 00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 3: to be president. You could disagree with him on policy, 703 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,080 Speaker 3: but the guy's not dumb. He's a smart guy. So 704 00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 3: the claim every time I listen to you, I feel 705 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 3: dumber like that, that is a pretty condescending comment. That 706 00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 3: going back to my point before, in a debate, you 707 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 3: want truth and authenticity, you want the words coming out 708 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 3: of your mouth for people to say, yeah, yeah, that's right, Yeah, 709 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,879 Speaker 3: I agree with that, and I don't think very many 710 00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:19,839 Speaker 3: people agreed with that, and so it diminished her more 711 00:37:19,880 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 3: than it diminished Vivek. Now, I do think the other 712 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,160 Speaker 3: candidates on that stage are pretty chippy towards Vivek because 713 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,880 Speaker 3: he was pretty condescending and nasty to them in debate 714 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,920 Speaker 3: number one, and he made him shine. But there's some 715 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 3: grudges that were playing out tonight. I'll also point out 716 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,759 Speaker 3: there that there were moments when when Nicki Haley and 717 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:39,839 Speaker 3: Tim Scott were going at each other and they were 718 00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:41,640 Speaker 3: just yelling at each other, back and forth and back 719 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,280 Speaker 3: and forth, and it was kind of a South Carolina 720 00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:50,040 Speaker 3: pissing fight, and my take on it, that didn't really 721 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 3: help either one of them. It was too parochial. I 722 00:37:53,560 --> 00:37:56,080 Speaker 3: don't know that a whole lot of people care about 723 00:37:56,200 --> 00:38:02,360 Speaker 3: the internescine fights in South Carolina. And I think the 724 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 3: effect of it is that both of them seem to 725 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 3: be taking their eye off the ball, that the objective 726 00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 3: is first to win the primary and then to beat 727 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:13,120 Speaker 3: Joe Biden in the general. And I think that back 728 00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 3: and forth bickering didn't help either one of them in 729 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:17,240 Speaker 3: that respect. 730 00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's gonna be very interesting to see who gets 731 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:24,400 Speaker 2: kicked off that stage come Miami in the next debate there. 732 00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:25,400 Speaker 1: Don't forget. 733 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,799 Speaker 2: If you missed our big podcast yesterday, go back and 734 00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 2: listen to it. We talked about those payments coming into 735 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,480 Speaker 2: the Biden crime family from Beijing. That news is still 736 00:38:35,560 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 2: not being covered by the media. If you missed it, 737 00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 2: make sure you go back and listen to that as well, 738 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:45,160 Speaker 2: and share it on social media. Also in the in 739 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,320 Speaker 2: between days between Verdict, and make sure you down with 740 00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:49,600 Speaker 2: my show, The Ben Ferguson podcasts as well. I'll keep 741 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:52,240 Speaker 2: you update on the breaking news in between Verdict shows 742 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 2: and we'll see you back here in a couple of days.