Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I Heart Radio Podcast. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm so excited because I have the Tory spelling on
Speaker 1: UM wind Down today, my amazing beautiful co host, UM,
Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1: Of course we're finally like in person. I know, it's
Speaker 1: nice to like a long time in the coming. I know,
Speaker 1: I was like, I'm hugging dot and making making what
Speaker 1: I thought you liked me for me. I do like you,
Speaker 1: but I also really loved Actually I watched it. I
Speaker 1: didn't watch it then I watched because you're ten years
Speaker 1: younger than me. No, no, no, but no, I just
Speaker 1: I love you. But I've I've come to like get
Speaker 1: to know you because where we were like damn buddies. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just really enjoyed getting to know you because you
Speaker 1: are You're You're just You're beautiful person like inside and
Speaker 1: out and your Herdwroken mama, and I just like I
Speaker 1: love your heart like you have an amazing heart. You
Speaker 1: feel the same way about you. Um, we have an
Speaker 1: amazing guess. I'm I got lots to chat with Tori about.
Speaker 1: But um, we have our guest Christine Carlson in the
Speaker 1: waiting room. So let's get her on and then me
Speaker 1: and Tory will catch up after that, so you're not
Speaker 1: gonna want to miss a second of it. But before that,
Speaker 1: let's take a break. Hi. Hi, it's Janna and Tori. Hi.
Speaker 1: You doing Hi? Um, don't sweat the small stuff. It's
Speaker 1: going to be is on Lifetime? Did you get to
Speaker 1: cast who you wanted to play you? No? No, no,
Speaker 1: I had very little to do with any of that.
Speaker 1: That's all production. I feel like I would like be like, no, no,
Speaker 1: like this is who i'd want to play me, because
Speaker 1: like what if like you were just like, wait, that's
Speaker 1: not that's that's what if you didn't like her as
Speaker 1: an actor? Oh I was thinking physically, but yes, that too.
Speaker 1: You know, they asked me who my wish list was
Speaker 1: and and so you know, I got to say who
Speaker 1: my wish list was. But then was Michelle Pfiffer on there?
Speaker 1: Because I feel like you guys kind of look alike, right,
Speaker 1: I love Michelle Phiffer. I didn't think of her, but
Speaker 1: I thought of Reese Witherspoon. I love Reese Witherspoon. And yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm so thrilled. Yeah, oh my gosh, yeah, she's amazing.
Speaker 1: I'm so so happy about who they chose. Okay, So
Speaker 1: I have not had the privilege to read Don't Sweat
Speaker 1: the Small Stuff yet, but I feel like I need
Speaker 1: to because I feel like I swept the small stuff along. Yeah, same,
Speaker 1: but you read it. I read it, and I still
Speaker 1: sweat the small stuff. But I love it. Like it's
Speaker 1: that type of thing that you pass on to everyone.
Speaker 1: You're like, you need to do this, but execution, and
Speaker 1: like you take it in, but it's hard to execute things.
Speaker 1: Why is that trying to? Well, I mean, don't speat
Speaker 1: this small stuff is more about keeping life in perspective
Speaker 1: than it is anything else. So I mean, we all
Speaker 1: have so much small stuff that we're dealing with all
Speaker 1: the time, and I think it's important to recognize what's
Speaker 1: really small because it takes your life the energy away.
Speaker 1: And then certainly, when something really big happens, you don't
Speaker 1: swept the small stuff. And I think, um, that becomes
Speaker 1: very obvious to most of us. And I'm sure that
Speaker 1: when you've gone through a hard time, both of you,
Speaker 1: you probably realized that that the little things that might
Speaker 1: have bothered you the day before something big happens don't
Speaker 1: even touch your radar for a long time. Have you
Speaker 1: ever noticed that? Yeah? Actually, yeah, it's interesting. And I
Speaker 1: also wonder too, you know, when it comes to this
Speaker 1: small stuff, I mean, I or putting things in perspective,
Speaker 1: I have a hard time, like when I know the perspective,
Speaker 1: but then I just let it sit there, like I
Speaker 1: know what I need to do, but I'm just like,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna just keep going down this road thinking that
Speaker 1: something's gonna change, and then it never changes. Like that's
Speaker 1: that's my problem with my perspective. Does that make sense?
Speaker 1: It does? And I think, Um, there was a time
Speaker 1: in my life where I lived that way too, especially
Speaker 1: when I was younger. And then suddenly, um, my husband
Speaker 1: died and that pretty much changed everything. You know, I
Speaker 1: was living things, I was thinking things that I should
Speaker 1: be doing differently, Um, living a little more asleep to life, Um,
Speaker 1: not as awake as as I have after his death.
Speaker 1: And he passed tragically right from a very rare was
Speaker 1: it what was it again? Pulmonary embolism? Thanks for not
Speaker 1: thanks for not saying it and not knowing what that happens.
Speaker 1: Sometimes people make the mistake of saying, oh, he died
Speaker 1: from a heart attack. He didn't die from a heart attack,
Speaker 1: It was a blood clot, a pulmonary embolism on a
Speaker 1: on the descent of a flight into New York. So
Speaker 1: it was very sudden. He was only forty five years
Speaker 1: old and I was forty three. How did you get
Speaker 1: up after that? It was tough. I mean, I, you know,
Speaker 1: first of all, like I wasn't prepared at all, like
Speaker 1: most people aren't for sudden death. I you know, didn't
Speaker 1: have any I really didn't have it in my consciousness
Speaker 1: that Richard would die suddenly. So I was completely shocked.
Speaker 1: But I think that when you have kids, the blessing
Speaker 1: of having children is that you do what you need
Speaker 1: to do for them. And certainly, um, I knew that
Speaker 1: I had to get up every day and be with
Speaker 1: my kids and make sure they were okay because I
Speaker 1: wasn't the only one in grief. They were in deep griefs.
Speaker 1: So it was tough. But I think my life and
Speaker 1: so many levels, I had done so much spiritual work,
Speaker 1: and I had been a meditator my whole life, and
Speaker 1: Richard and I had written and taught together, and so
Speaker 1: the tenants of don't spent the small stuff in the
Speaker 1: principles of happiness that are woven in that series really
Speaker 1: helped me, gave me a lot of emotional tools to
Speaker 1: work with. And that said, it was still really really
Speaker 1: it was heartbreaking, and it was it was horrible, and
Speaker 1: there were times where I didn't want to get up.
Speaker 1: And I think that's normal. I think that no matter
Speaker 1: how heroic you might feel that you can be, you know,
Speaker 1: you you have to also make allowances for the days
Speaker 1: where you can't be that and you have to be
Speaker 1: in a state of wherever you are because it's a
Speaker 1: healing process. You know, we we don't realize that when
Speaker 1: we go through a trauma of any kind, you know,
Speaker 1: we we could be a very stable person prior to
Speaker 1: that trauma and then suddenly you're like a wounded animal.
Speaker 1: And that's what we all are in trauma, you know,
Speaker 1: whether it comes through the loss of your spouse, through death,
Speaker 1: through divorce, through you know, you get news of your
Speaker 1: health and suddenly one day you thought you were a
Speaker 1: healthy person and the next day you found out you're not.
Speaker 1: That's traumatic and we have to go through a process.
Speaker 1: We have to allow for a process of healing to
Speaker 1: how fun um and in order to gain the strength
Speaker 1: that we need to really call on all the resilience
Speaker 1: that we have, and you know, let's face it, like
Speaker 1: like those kinds of issues are the issues that are
Speaker 1: the really big stuff of life, and there are issues
Speaker 1: that we're all going to face at one point or another,
Speaker 1: for sure. Yeah, I feel like the process is the
Speaker 1: interesting part because my friends are big how are you?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I gotta I always have to think
Speaker 1: about it. I'm like, um, like today, I'm good, Like
Speaker 1: ask me again tomorrow because like tomorrow because I'm going
Speaker 1: through divor actually I'm divorced. It's not going through anymore.
Speaker 1: I'm divorced, and so like every day is like a
Speaker 1: different kind of like am I good today? Because and
Speaker 1: then I told my therapist. I was like, man, I
Speaker 1: had a real rough weekend last week and I was
Speaker 1: so down on myself, and she was just like, you're
Speaker 1: gonna have those moments again, and you're gonna have really
Speaker 1: great moments and then you're gonna have really bad moments.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, but I just want the good
Speaker 1: moments and she's like that's not how healing and even works,
Speaker 1: Like you're going to have the hamster wheel and I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's that part. It's like, okay, can I just like
Speaker 1: wheel it really fast, like get to the get to
Speaker 1: the good. That's great that you're able to even take
Speaker 1: a pause to think about it, because I feel like
Speaker 1: naturally our instinct is when someone says how are you?
Speaker 1: Oh good? Great, and then you know, like why did
Speaker 1: I say that I'm not? And did you I mean,
Speaker 1: either of you ever feel guilty saying like, oh, I
Speaker 1: don't know what bad other persons going through, but I
Speaker 1: am individually dealing with my own grief and loss, and
Speaker 1: I feel bad putting it on them and saying like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm not good because for me, I'm always like, well,
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're going through, so I don't
Speaker 1: want to unload my stuff on them. But it's important
Speaker 1: to be able to speak your truth to get it out.
Speaker 1: And I think your friends want you to write do
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Like like they want to
Speaker 1: know Like like for me, I'm like I hate it
Speaker 1: when Catherine goes I'm fine. I go, I know you're
Speaker 1: not right, yes, And it makes me like I get
Speaker 1: annoyed with her and she knows that because I'm like
Speaker 1: when I ask a out you know, her and her husband.
Speaker 1: I know she doesn't want to talk about it, but
Speaker 1: I'm also like, talk to me. I'm your best friend,
Speaker 1: like I love you, you know, and I'm and I'm
Speaker 1: like and also because selfishly, I'm going to be crying
Speaker 1: on your lap in about five minutes, so like, let
Speaker 1: me help you. You know. Yeah, I love that too,
Speaker 1: when you you know, pause and you know you're not
Speaker 1: an automatic pilot and pretending you know the everything is
Speaker 1: all right when it's not. I I do agree with
Speaker 1: both of you, and I think that's beautiful that you
Speaker 1: do that, Jana, that you you stop and ask yourself.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's at the really core of mindfulness is
Speaker 1: to really take that pause and ask yourself how am
Speaker 1: I feeling and then put your attention there. You know.
Speaker 1: It's not to deny your feelings or to become like
Speaker 1: you know, I I've learned over the years about just
Speaker 1: how dangerous being like overly positive can be, you know,
Speaker 1: because it's like honoring of what is truly in your heart.
Speaker 1: And when we don't honor what we're feeling, then those
Speaker 1: feelings tend to fester and become something else. And that's
Speaker 1: I think what we don't want is we want those
Speaker 1: feelings to have a way out. And I always like
Speaker 1: to think of depression as um the opposite of expression.
Speaker 1: So expression is getting it out and depression is holding
Speaker 1: it in. Yeah. I think it's something too to not
Speaker 1: judge your when you because I judge when I'm like
Speaker 1: weak yourself. Yeah, And I think that's normal too. I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people do that. I think we're
Speaker 1: we tend to be very hard critics on ourselves. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I had someone say to me like, Okay, it's been
Speaker 1: six months, like get over it, and I'm like, it's not,
Speaker 1: just get over it. And then but then I like judge.
Speaker 1: I'm like, maybe I should be over it, but I'm
Speaker 1: like no, because I still have feelings and I still
Speaker 1: have emotions, and I think people are just they I
Speaker 1: don't know, those people might just not be as empathetic
Speaker 1: or have I mean, some part of you should never
Speaker 1: be over it because it's a part of your life,
Speaker 1: your journey and and your love. You made beautiful babies.
Speaker 1: Are you remarried, No, Okay, are you back out in
Speaker 1: a scene? Do you have a boyfriend? Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it's been fifteen years. I've had many boyfriends. My love
Speaker 1: life hasn't been boring. I'll just say that, Christine, are
Speaker 1: you in bumble currently? Currently, I'm not a bumble. But
Speaker 1: I did podcast about online dating for a while just
Speaker 1: as an experiment. It was it was fascinating to me,
Speaker 1: So I really like, I kind of. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: had a lot of friends meet their person online and
Speaker 1: on bumble, but my luck, um, whenever I'm on it
Speaker 1: doesn't it doesn't seem to be really great. So I
Speaker 1: don't know. I've always dated men that kind of come
Speaker 1: through connections, um or I've met them organically. Do you
Speaker 1: want to get married again? I don't think so. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was. I was having that conversation your girls. You
Speaker 1: girls are a lot younger than I am, so I'm
Speaker 1: you know, I'm like, I'm fifty eight now, so I'm
Speaker 1: I'm sort of past the need of necessarily getting married.
Speaker 1: And now that said, I mean, I if I found
Speaker 1: the right man and I have a very high bar,
Speaker 1: you know, to partner with, and and I felt like
Speaker 1: he was really going to be a great partner for me,
Speaker 1: I would of course do that and be open to that.
Speaker 1: But I actually think I might have some commitment issues
Speaker 1: after Richard, you know, in which in which sense just
Speaker 1: that I just don't, you know, I just don't have
Speaker 1: that necessary need to feel like I want to be
Speaker 1: in a committed, committed relationship long long term. Now the
Speaker 1: guy that I'm dating right now doesn't know that, So
Speaker 1: I hope he doesn't listen to I'm sure he's not
Speaker 1: a fan of wine now might Yeah, I gotta be
Speaker 1: careful what I say if we're gonna be recorded. Trust
Speaker 1: by the way, I heard that you said that. No.
Speaker 1: It's funny though, because I was having I went out
Speaker 1: on this date and I was, um, I I asked,
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, would you because he had
Speaker 1: been married before and he's older, and I was like,
Speaker 1: would you want to be married again? And He's like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. And a part of me was kind
Speaker 1: of like because I'm like, I I like, I know,
Speaker 1: I've been married so many freaking times, but like, I
Speaker 1: love marriage, and I just I want my kids to
Speaker 1: see what like a healthy marriage looks like. And it's
Speaker 1: just so important to me, you know, And I would,
Speaker 1: but also, like my mom, it took her. She was
Speaker 1: she was single for twenty years and then she met
Speaker 1: and she got married at fifty five. Um. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: so it's like, but I totally hear what you're saying,
Speaker 1: because there is that part, like you have lived so
Speaker 1: much of your life now where you're like you're good,
Speaker 1: like you don't need to have like this. I don't know. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's like I'm not lacking. My My
Speaker 1: life is very full and fulfilling, and I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not looking toward a relationship to fill me. Um. I
Speaker 1: think that if I found somebody that was as whole
Speaker 1: as I am and as complete that I found exciting
Speaker 1: to be with and he checked all my boxes, you know,
Speaker 1: I have a really high bar. My husband was amazing.
Speaker 1: He was the love of my life and we had
Speaker 1: a we had an amazing marriage. So and it was
Speaker 1: a twenty five year relationship. So it's you know that
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways, I feel like I have
Speaker 1: fulfilled that part of my destiny and you know, and
Speaker 1: I still feel like I'm very much with him, although
Speaker 1: I know that if the tables were turned, I would
Speaker 1: want him to find somebody and be with somebody, so
Speaker 1: I know he wouldn't. He wants the same thing for me.
Speaker 1: But I just think I have a really high bar
Speaker 1: and I and I think that's okay, and that's good,
Speaker 1: and you know, that's that's fine. Um, it doesn't mean
Speaker 1: I want meet that person. I'm totally open, but I'm
Speaker 1: certainly not desperate. So do you believe you can have
Speaker 1: multiple soul made a different form? I do? I do. I.
Speaker 1: I do believe that we have multiple soulmates, both male
Speaker 1: and female, and our friends are often our soulmates. And
Speaker 1: you know, we have so many sisters and so many
Speaker 1: brothers and so many lovers. And yeah, for sure, do
Speaker 1: I feel like there's perhaps maybe a couple of people
Speaker 1: in the world that are the most special people that
Speaker 1: are you know, you're really super compatible with that, you
Speaker 1: share the same values that you are. You know, you
Speaker 1: keep that connection alive, you know, in the same way. Um,
Speaker 1: I think that's probably true that we have a couple
Speaker 1: of people like that. And but you know, and I
Speaker 1: think a lot of people are still searching for their
Speaker 1: one person like that. And so I feel like, you know,
Speaker 1: I had that person, and if I met another one
Speaker 1: would be great, but I'm not. I'm not actively searching
Speaker 1: or meeting of it. And I felt a little differently
Speaker 1: when I was in my forties. You know, my my
Speaker 1: sexual desires have changed a little bit. Not that I
Speaker 1: don't enjoy sex. I love sucks, but I'm not as
Speaker 1: horny as I was when I tell me that as sister. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a totally different thing. When you're in your forties.
Speaker 1: That's like the I think that's the worst time in
Speaker 1: your life to lose your husband. I will say this,
Speaker 1: which is kind of funny, like it's around the same
Speaker 1: this topic where you because I'm gonna be thirty eight,
Speaker 1: and you know, there have been, you know, some men
Speaker 1: that have wanted to hang and I'm like, in my twenties,
Speaker 1: I have been like, yeah, come over, But now I'm like,
Speaker 1: my vibrator is going to do just fine. And my
Speaker 1: vibrator goes in a drawer and I don't want to
Speaker 1: be like you can give me, please leave because I
Speaker 1: like being alone now. So I'm like like like that,
Speaker 1: I feel like that's an older thirties, like into your forties.
Speaker 1: Really I'm good. Things I don't need, like my little
Speaker 1: pink bunny is fine. I feel like the bunnies don't
Speaker 1: move fast enough. Sorry, just going back to something that
Speaker 1: you did say that I thought it was interesting is
Speaker 1: you know, the bar was set high, and I feel
Speaker 1: like I have to be careful because I want it
Speaker 1: so bad that I don't rush into something because I
Speaker 1: wanted so bad. That's something I feel like I've always done,
Speaker 1: like I've rushed into like oh my god, he's my
Speaker 1: soul mate and this is the one. And then I'm like, wait,
Speaker 1: I would not have if I really looked, I would
Speaker 1: have seen all these red flags and then I wouldn't
Speaker 1: have stayed. But I like, I don't see them. I
Speaker 1: have got these like blinders. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: saw this one emoji thing where it was like the
Speaker 1: therapist said, didn't you see the red flags and the
Speaker 1: little monkeys? Like I thought it was a carnival, Like
Speaker 1: that's like I lived my life. I'm just like, oh,
Speaker 1: I thought it was just like whoa, I don't know.
Speaker 1: It's hard fun, but there's something so pure and beautiful
Speaker 1: to that, you know, like I don't want you to
Speaker 1: ever lose that, like the red flag suck, but like
Speaker 1: you got to follow your heart to some extent to
Speaker 1: you do you guys are like how do you know? I? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I believe that. I don't think that there's any lost relationship.
Speaker 1: You know, we learned so much about ourselves through the
Speaker 1: reflection of the person that we're with. And so whoever
Speaker 1: you decide to spend time with, you're going to learn
Speaker 1: something about yourself, you know, through that that person, And
Speaker 1: they're going to learn about themselves too, because I feel
Speaker 1: like we're all mirrors of one another, and we have
Speaker 1: our own holographic universe. And you know, right now, you
Speaker 1: too are in my holographic universe through Zoo, you know.
Speaker 1: And and who knew I'd be sitting in Heather Lockler's
Speaker 1: home right now and talking to you right now in
Speaker 1: her house right now. Yeah, we're gonna be on Good
Speaker 1: Morning America tomorrow. So I came over and I'm spend
Speaker 1: the night with her. Will you give her my love?
Speaker 1: I've known forever. I know she's the best, She's the sweetest,
Speaker 1: such a kind person, is so talented. Sweet love that okay,
Speaker 1: So Heartbroken Open is a book you have out right
Speaker 1: now on Amazon. What can like? What can I Tori
Speaker 1: readers listeners expect in that book? Well, I guarantee if
Speaker 1: you pick it up and you start to read it,
Speaker 1: you probably won't put it down. It's a definite page
Speaker 1: Turner and it's UM. I only say that because that's
Speaker 1: what people tell me. So UM. I know actually don't
Speaker 1: read much of my own books after I write them,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't go back and read them. But UM,
Speaker 1: but it's a very raw, a little bit on the
Speaker 1: untamed category, I think, you know, like um with like
Speaker 1: I haven't read Glenn and Doyle's book, but my daughter's
Speaker 1: read some of it to me, and I think that
Speaker 1: it's a little bit like that, where it's my story,
Speaker 1: but it's very raw and it's very deep, but it
Speaker 1: also has a lot of after in it. Um. You
Speaker 1: really talk about, UM, kind of my journey of how
Speaker 1: I discovered myself through my loss and how it's almost
Speaker 1: like going through that. It was such a deep awakening
Speaker 1: for me. And I wasn't a person that I ever
Speaker 1: really thought I was asleep, you know, but I really
Speaker 1: woke up to life in such a very new and
Speaker 1: powerful way through loss and UM, and that's why I
Speaker 1: was really compelled to write the book. But it's also
Speaker 1: just very raw and vulnerable and and people love it.
Speaker 1: It's like it's like being in somebody's head, in somebody's
Speaker 1: world with them. What did you learn most about yourself
Speaker 1: from from the loss. Oh my gosh, so so much.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's very it's pretty deep, like where I
Speaker 1: learned about my ego and how my ego had been
Speaker 1: really sneaky and how it had been really tied up
Speaker 1: and being Richard's wife. And I always say, when you
Speaker 1: always know when you're in a true crisis because you're
Speaker 1: you're in an identity crisis. So whatever kind of laws
Speaker 1: you go through, when it rips apart your identity and
Speaker 1: it puts you a just ground zero where you just
Speaker 1: don't know who you are, that's actually really amazing place
Speaker 1: to be because when you don't know who you are,
Speaker 1: your egos not in charge, that's when you are who
Speaker 1: you are. And it's a kind of interesting feeling. Like
Speaker 1: you remember, I just remember sitting sometimes and I was
Speaker 1: so present and I was sitting and I'd be like, Wow,
Speaker 1: this is what it feels like to be me. Mhm,
Speaker 1: you know. And I mean because I wasn't all caught
Speaker 1: up in holding the perfect life, having the perfect life,
Speaker 1: all the stuff that we as women do to make
Speaker 1: sure everyone in our households has the perfect life, you know,
Speaker 1: for the first time, I wasn't caught up In that
Speaker 1: I was my life had shattered. And and in that shattering,
Speaker 1: I started to realize, Wow, I could see it all,
Speaker 1: Like I could see what a gift this was in
Speaker 1: some level, and I hated it. I wanted my husband back,
Speaker 1: like I loved him. I love him still. I wanted
Speaker 1: him back. But I thought, Jess, if he has to die,
Speaker 1: I'm going to get something out of this, you know,
Speaker 1: like this is gonna be like big for my growth.
Speaker 1: It has to be. And and so I was completely
Speaker 1: open to seeing life totally different. And I did. And
Speaker 1: that's what the book is about, is just waking up,
Speaker 1: you know, waking up to who you really are. I
Speaker 1: love that because I feel like I'm trying to figure
Speaker 1: that out too, like who am I? And like in
Speaker 1: those moments of just being alone and not having any
Speaker 1: distractions and sitting there, it's it's a painful, but it's
Speaker 1: also I feel like it's a beautiful process too. And
Speaker 1: I'm I'm kind of finding the bat I'm trying to
Speaker 1: find the balance in between the two. Yeah. And I
Speaker 1: think when you when you really get comfortable with who
Speaker 1: you are, you know, when you're without a partner or
Speaker 1: you know, a man in your life. Then you know,
Speaker 1: you get that's where real confidence comes from. That's where
Speaker 1: true confidence comes from. Confidence doesn't have anything to do
Speaker 1: with all the outside things that we make it have
Speaker 1: to do with it's it's a true feeling of of
Speaker 1: knowing and resonating with your inner sense of your inner
Speaker 1: identity and who you are from the inside. And I've
Speaker 1: just always put my worth like from a man, like
Speaker 1: like whatever a man said to me or whatever, like
Speaker 1: how he treated me, I'm like, oh, that's what I deserve,
Speaker 1: that's my worth and like and then I try and
Speaker 1: like so that's why it's like I'm really truly trying
Speaker 1: to force myself to just like be you know, mindful
Speaker 1: and alone and try and figure me out because I'm
Speaker 1: like I can't. My friends are always like you always
Speaker 1: go left. You gotta start growing right, and like right
Speaker 1: is you? Right is finding you and hopefully on that
Speaker 1: path as well, we're you know, you'll be confident enough
Speaker 1: to choose not the left path again. You know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I have to choose yourself first. Um, And and we
Speaker 1: are not taught that as women were taught to take
Speaker 1: care of everyone else and choose ourselves last. And that
Speaker 1: doesn't work very well, you know. And I also think
Speaker 1: that when we don't know ourselves and we that's when
Speaker 1: we're looking for somebody else to fulfill that sense of
Speaker 1: who we are. Like just what you said, and that's
Speaker 1: all very common and you know you just you. I
Speaker 1: think when we look at our patterns, that's very very helpful.
Speaker 1: You know, what is your pattern in relationship? And then
Speaker 1: the idea of not repeating the pattern is becomes kind
Speaker 1: of the goal is to look at how can I
Speaker 1: not repeat the same thing over? What could I do
Speaker 1: differently now? And I think life is so much about
Speaker 1: an inquiry, and the journey of finding out who you
Speaker 1: are is about the questions you ask yourself. We all
Speaker 1: have the answers. I mean, we all do. We just
Speaker 1: have to ask the right questions, and sometimes we ask
Speaker 1: the wrong questions. So I feel like I asked the
Speaker 1: right questions and I get the wrong answers. But I'm
Speaker 1: still like, well, they'll get the right answer, Like they'll
Speaker 1: eventually come with the right answer that I want the answer.
Speaker 1: Have you ever thought you've like broken the pattern? And
Speaker 1: this doesn't always have to be a love relationship. It
Speaker 1: can be a friendship, It could be a work relationship.
Speaker 1: I've broken that pattern, and then all of a sudden
Speaker 1: you get into it and you're like, oh gosh, it's
Speaker 1: just another form of my pattern. It just wasn't obvious
Speaker 1: at first. I thought for sure I had it right
Speaker 1: with this last marriage. Like I was like, oh, like
Speaker 1: we're on the same bait, Like it's like totally different.
Speaker 1: Then I'm like, nope, just a disguise. It stealth better.
Speaker 1: That's almos Like damn it, Like I hate that. Um okay,
Speaker 1: so everyone watch Don't Sweat the Small Stuff. Um. It's
Speaker 1: the Christine Carlson story on Lifetime and then by her
Speaker 1: book Heartbroken Open. It's a page turner, and thank you
Speaker 1: for Um I'm I'm going to buy it because I
Speaker 1: I need to. I need to be on that journey
Speaker 1: that you're on. So thanks for helping guide the way.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it's been a pleasure, ladies. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for having you. You have such a beautiful energy.
Speaker 1: I know we're on zoom, but it's just like kidding
Speaker 1: is like, it's so great. Thank you, Thank you for
Speaker 1: all you do for everyone out there. Thank you and
Speaker 1: thank you for all all you do. What a wonderful
Speaker 1: conversation we had today. Thank you so much. All right, thanks,
Speaker 1: happy good morning America too. Okay, I will Oh my god,
Speaker 1: I love her. You know what broke my heart in
Speaker 1: that though? I mean it was an amazing interview. She's incredible,
Speaker 1: but like I felt a little piece of, like well,
Speaker 1: a sadness, like because she loved her husband so much,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, and but then I felt a little
Speaker 1: tinge of like I want to feel that, Like what's
Speaker 1: that like, you know, like just like being so madly
Speaker 1: like uh and then losing that. I'm like, what, Like
Speaker 1: that's just like people don't get that and then you
Speaker 1: lose it, like how I would just be devastated. I
Speaker 1: wonder what it was like though before she lost him,
Speaker 1: Like if she appreciated that every day I was. It's
Speaker 1: hard when someone's had such grief to know what's appropriate
Speaker 1: to ask what's not. I know she talks about this
Speaker 1: all the time, but just you know, I feel like
Speaker 1: we get in relationships, we get comfortable, and we forgot,
Speaker 1: we forget to say like I appreciate you or this
Speaker 1: is what I love and I don't know, and it's hard.
Speaker 1: She was married to say twenty years. No, I think
Speaker 1: she's like total. Yeah, so that's a long time. That is.
Speaker 1: That's such a good point though, and sometimes you feel
Speaker 1: like the magic is going in and out. And of course,
Speaker 1: like when he was gone, she was like that was everything.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I would love to know. Oh man, By
Speaker 1: the way, Tori gave me this like is it burning?
Speaker 1: I have Like I think I put too much on
Speaker 1: because I was like I don't really feel it, and
Speaker 1: then I just kept rolling. It's like this like cryoh
Speaker 1: what is it? Cryoderm it's a painstick. It's by the way, no,
Speaker 1: it's like mental. Anyone that knows me knows it's the
Speaker 1: story of my life. Um yeah, I like literally put
Speaker 1: it on my temples, my neck like I've got like Antarctica,
Speaker 1: like on the back of my neck. It's so cold. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The worst is in past experiences I've been using it
Speaker 1: forever that you put it on forget and then someone
Speaker 1: goes into a nuzzle you or kiss you and they're like,
Speaker 1: my eyes, oh god, if you ever have you ever
Speaker 1: got how the pens and then touched your eyes. I
Speaker 1: thought you were going to say something else well, but
Speaker 1: also like and then also touched your vagina because let
Speaker 1: me tell you what. I thought you were going to
Speaker 1: say something else somebody else's I don't know. And that's
Speaker 1: where my mind went hamsy. I don't know why, sorry,
Speaker 1: but yes it hurts. Yeah, And then I'm googling, like
Speaker 1: how do you like get it's like poor milk and
Speaker 1: pouring milk on my vagina, like it's like convigorating. That's
Speaker 1: good for East confections too, by the way, milk Yeah? Wait,
Speaker 1: am I wrong? Day? Make that up? Easton? Can you
Speaker 1: please google? What's good for East? Infections? Are bladder infections?
Speaker 1: Why is why is this your computer? Oh? Man? I
Speaker 1: love that you. I saw a article you did about
Speaker 1: you were in a verbally abusive relationship. I was so
Speaker 1: I felt Okay, here's the hard part. I did a
Speaker 1: post for Luke Perry. It was his birthday, no thing,
Speaker 1: and I still want people tell me they're sorry. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I get really guilty, like no, not me, sorry for
Speaker 1: his family, like but also it's we're talking like self worth.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing, like even things like that, I'm like, no, no, um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, when he passed away, I felt this thing
Speaker 1: like is it shaming or do I feel guilty? Like
Speaker 1: being I didn't want to bring attention to me. It
Speaker 1: was about him, so I didn't post stuff, and you know,
Speaker 1: he's been gone for a while now, and it just
Speaker 1: I felt the need to put it out there. I
Speaker 1: don't know that was my truth, and I never said it,
Speaker 1: and I was just like I'm missing him today and
Speaker 1: his energy, and I just wanted to put it there.
Speaker 1: And then I felt bad afterwards because I saw like
Speaker 1: some castmates just had like a short thing and I
Speaker 1: was like, and I saw like I got picked up everywhere,
Speaker 1: and I was like, ah, that's not what I meant. Like,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to tell everyone how great he was
Speaker 1: to me and he was family to me, and that
Speaker 1: was your you know, right, because sometimes when we post stuff,
Speaker 1: it's for us, even the millions of people are saying it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because I had posted there's one thing that was for
Speaker 1: my song. But I was like, I talked about being
Speaker 1: an abusive relationship to your song by the way, thank you,
Speaker 1: but your sweep. But then my head out and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I didn't do this to get picked up. I didn't
Speaker 1: do my dad. And then I get you know, my
Speaker 1: X was upset with me, like that wasn't about you.
Speaker 1: It was. It was about my like experiences with like relationships,
Speaker 1: and like it's such like a when you when you
Speaker 1: want to post something because it's on your heart, you're
Speaker 1: not looking for the for us weekly to pick it up.
Speaker 1: You're looking it's because it's that's he meant something to
Speaker 1: you and he was family to you. And yeah, and
Speaker 1: I waited a while, and you know, people would always
Speaker 1: have the hashtag, you know, our R. I p like
Speaker 1: rest in peace, and I was like, I can't never
Speaker 1: do that. And then it's been a while and I'm
Speaker 1: just like I'm feeling it. But yes, I was in
Speaker 1: a verbally abusive relationship when I was nineteen, and that
Speaker 1: was It's interesting because as hard as it is on you,
Speaker 1: you don't know when you're young that it's so hard
Speaker 1: on everyone else. And yeah, Luke hated him and was
Speaker 1: very protective. And at my parents Christmas Eve party one year,
Speaker 1: he was there and he was just like I saw
Speaker 1: this ex boyfriend and they got into it and he
Speaker 1: tried to punch him and like Je's Hebbestly had to
Speaker 1: pull him off. It was like it was one of
Speaker 1: those epic stories. You're like, WHOA looking back, like that's crazy,
Speaker 1: but um. Yeah, after that, Luke and I worked together
Speaker 1: every day but didn't talk for a while because I
Speaker 1: was I was nineteen, and I was just like mad.
Speaker 1: I was mad at him. I was mad at him
Speaker 1: because I was like, sometimes when friends stick up for you,
Speaker 1: you feel like, well, but then you go home and
Speaker 1: I go home with this person and I have to
Speaker 1: take them taking what they experienced with you regarding me
Speaker 1: out on me. Does that make sense? Totally does? So? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had to go home with like, oh, so your
Speaker 1: friend did that at your parents house and I was nineteen,
Speaker 1: so I was mad at him instead of realizing and hindsight,
Speaker 1: it was like this guy loved me and he was
Speaker 1: like I don't care, like I'm gonna go to bat
Speaker 1: for her, and he was a great friend. You know
Speaker 1: what's interesting about that is um and that my abuser
Speaker 1: same age. It was nineteen and I just moved out
Speaker 1: to l A and even like the relationships since then
Speaker 1: that have been verbally or physically abusive. When I eventually
Speaker 1: tell my friends, they're like, that's not normal, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: it's not And that's like that reaction, like it's not
Speaker 1: like the fact that we think that's normal in that moment.
Speaker 1: And sometimes I'm like, well, I mean I was kind
Speaker 1: of like bitchy or like and then I'm like making
Speaker 1: excuses for the person that doesn't deserve it, like all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Yeah, you become defensive on their behalf
Speaker 1: when they did it to you all the Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: just so interesting and it's so sad because I'm like
Speaker 1: if if and then I put myself and remember my
Speaker 1: friends too, they're like, you got to start putting yourself
Speaker 1: and like if your daughter was in the situation, how
Speaker 1: would you react? And then I'm like, oh, come on,
Speaker 1: don't don't bring my daughter into this. They're like no,
Speaker 1: I'm serious, Like what would you say to her? And
Speaker 1: I would say that's not right, like he should never
Speaker 1: say that. You should never put you no matter what.
Speaker 1: And it's like, but yet I can't tell myself that.
Speaker 1: You can't tell yourself that. It's such an interesting it's
Speaker 1: it's sad. I'm glad you said that because people I
Speaker 1: always see people talk about like don't behave in life?
Speaker 1: How you you know, if you don't want your kids
Speaker 1: behaving that way, like be the example, many different things,
Speaker 1: and it's like it's not always that easy to do, like,
Speaker 1: of course we can be strong moms and tell our
Speaker 1: daughters this is what I hope you do. But they're
Speaker 1: going to make their own decisions and they're gonna make
Speaker 1: mistakes like like we did, and I don't know, and
Speaker 1: it's not easy to change, Like it's a behavior that
Speaker 1: it's like, great, I don't want my daughter to be
Speaker 1: treated like this when she's older. But I'm still enduring
Speaker 1: it because it's it's what we think we deserve, it's
Speaker 1: what we think are worth is and like because it
Speaker 1: was ingrained in us at a young age and then
Speaker 1: we you know, that's just it's and it's so not
Speaker 1: true nor right, and yeah, that's why I'm like, I
Speaker 1: love kind of what she said with Christine was she
Speaker 1: was saying, like you finding yourself and choosing you going
Speaker 1: on that journey where I'm like, God, I hope I
Speaker 1: go right, because go on the other way it sucks.
Speaker 1: I've never chosen me in any circumstance of life. When
Speaker 1: it's hard now to choose you when you have got
Speaker 1: five kids and you know, like your empire and it's
Speaker 1: it's it's it's hard, but it's like at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, Like when I go back to my kids, Okay,
Speaker 1: if if choosing me is going to be the best
Speaker 1: version for my kids, So it is not selfish for
Speaker 1: us to choose us even though we go to well
Speaker 1: you're like oh no, no, no, like no, no, I'm good.
Speaker 1: I'm good when you're like starving, you know. I mean
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be mad at that for myself. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to lose the babyweight. And but hey,
Speaker 1: look it, you look incredible. It's a process that's a
Speaker 1: hard one to like. It's it's really difficult. Like I
Speaker 1: say to people all the time, like, oh, I'm you know,
Speaker 1: still working on losing way eight and they're like, but
Speaker 1: you look great, and it's but the thing is, and
Speaker 1: I'm not like taking anything about what you just said,
Speaker 1: but like when you're used to your body a certain
Speaker 1: way your whole life, and then it does radically change
Speaker 1: and people and it's a hard thing to say because
Speaker 1: then people are like, oh, I wish my body looked
Speaker 1: like that after five are always all individual and my
Speaker 1: body is different after five. And you know, isn't an
Speaker 1: honor that I created them and gave birth to them. Yes,
Speaker 1: I still want my body back. That's why people would
Speaker 1: give me, give me crap about like my boob job
Speaker 1: or whatever. I'm like, you know what, like, that's what
Speaker 1: I want to do because I want my body to
Speaker 1: look the way that I want my body to look like,
Speaker 1: and like it they weren't. Yeah, I'm like it's and
Speaker 1: then the people are like, oh, but you look great.
Speaker 1: They look great before, and I'm like, cool, but I
Speaker 1: need advice on that. By the way, minor, because they're
Speaker 1: expired and recalled. Oh, I mean, hey, what do you
Speaker 1: want them? Do you want new? Okay? I mean I
Speaker 1: loved I mean, I know you're like Beverly Hills, so
Speaker 1: it's you could have any amazing doctor. But doctor Younger
Speaker 1: in Nashville, Paula A. Duel went to him. Really, He's
Speaker 1: like he's incredible, He's amazing. I love him, and he
Speaker 1: got me. He was like, you know, I was like,
Speaker 1: I don't want too big. I want them to look natural.
Speaker 1: But like I think, when I redo them, I my god,
Speaker 1: did it there because they're fun. See. No one told
Speaker 1: me when I got mine done that in ten years
Speaker 1: you would have to get them redone. Well, they they're
Speaker 1: ones now. They say, like, I mean always talk to
Speaker 1: your doctor. Don't listen to wine down because I'm not
Speaker 1: a king doctor. Sorry Eastern um. But like he was like,
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen, maybe twenty. Okay, I'm a twenty though,
Speaker 1: and I don't think when I got mine put in
Speaker 1: like no, they had the ones no natral us, natral
Speaker 1: and plants and they're really good. Um. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean again, at the end of the day, like I
Speaker 1: get it. I still people like will be oh, look,
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, i'd like like to like I'll never
Speaker 1: always have a little piece of belly, but people are like, oh,
Speaker 1: my friends like, don't complain about that, Like, but again,
Speaker 1: it's my body. I know what it looks like. I
Speaker 1: would know what I wanted to look like, and we
Speaker 1: can just be like, well, I still love you. I
Speaker 1: think you're amazing. See. I need to get to that
Speaker 1: point where I'm okay saying like, okay, that's your opinion.
Speaker 1: But I'm not there yet. Like I'm still like when
Speaker 1: people say things, I'm like, oh, I'm sorry, where does
Speaker 1: it sories? Like my lifeline, where does that come from?
Speaker 1: You think, like does childhood stuff or just like not
Speaker 1: feeling like you I think childhood two things childhood and
Speaker 1: my parents. I never saw them argue, um, which I
Speaker 1: think is a problem too. I do too, because every
Speaker 1: time you agree to an argument, then it's like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, we must be over and it's done and
Speaker 1: it's doomed for days. Right, And they loved each other,
Speaker 1: but you know, growing up, you would realize like that
Speaker 1: was passive aggressive, Like you would hear it and I
Speaker 1: would be like, I wish they would just argue, or
Speaker 1: like they would just like silent, and then like and
Speaker 1: as I got older, I would ask my mom like,
Speaker 1: did you guys have an argument behind closed doors? She's
Speaker 1: like no, And I'm like that probably wasn't good for
Speaker 1: you guys, and I don't want to do that. But
Speaker 1: I grew up being very passive aggressive. And I think
Speaker 1: just being Aaron Spelling's daughter and a producer, people already assumed,
Speaker 1: like before I entered a room, like she's going to
Speaker 1: be a bit, like she's going to be entitled so
Speaker 1: and I mean to this day, I just worked on
Speaker 1: something recently and they were like, you're so lovely, like
Speaker 1: we thought. I was like, why wouldn't I be well,
Speaker 1: because you're Aaron Spelling's daughter, because you're on nine two.
Speaker 1: I was like, no, but I carry it with me.
Speaker 1: I'm harder myself. So because of that, I like dim
Speaker 1: my light to please everybody because God forbid, they think
Speaker 1: I'm like not nice, but I am nice, so that
Speaker 1: should be enough. But I go above and beyond at
Speaker 1: the detriment of myself. That's a lot of pressure too,
Speaker 1: and like a lot of energy to just to have
Speaker 1: to put on like it is you You're so sweet,
Speaker 1: like I know that, but like to even have to
Speaker 1: put on like it's like God, like can I just
Speaker 1: like why do I have to feel like I have
Speaker 1: to prove them and I this person when I am
Speaker 1: a nice person, right, But I'm still doing it. I
Speaker 1: still feel the need to do and it's exhausting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like five kids is nothing like the pressure I put
Speaker 1: on myself is worse. So what do we do to? Like,
Speaker 1: I don't know what do we do? We do? I
Speaker 1: don't know, we'll do this together, I don't know. Just
Speaker 1: butter three and three out that's what I usually do.
Speaker 1: Um Okay, now is the time two pimp everything that
Speaker 1: the Tori spelling is doing. Nano two and oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: oh my gosh, did you say nine O two and
Speaker 1: I want to do that. Um, it's funny podcasts that
Speaker 1: you guys do. It's fun. It's crazy. Um, because we've
Speaker 1: never watched the show back. I think I watched more
Speaker 1: than Jen has because the dv AR would pull up
Speaker 1: like nine O two one oh, because it has my
Speaker 1: name in there, so anything I do, and then it'd
Speaker 1: be like countless episodes of nine O two and oh.
Speaker 1: So I think I stopped watching when like one of
Speaker 1: my kids they're older now, the older ones were like,
Speaker 1: who's that and they would be like, there's Jenny, there's Iron,
Speaker 1: Where's where are you? And I'm like, I'm right there.
Speaker 1: When I tell this story, people are like, oh, when
Speaker 1: you had like dark hair, I was like, nope, I
Speaker 1: was blond. They still didn't know it was me. But
Speaker 1: I felt bad that I've always wanted you and Brian
Speaker 1: Auston Green to like secretly to be married. No, I
Speaker 1: probably on some secret level wanted it too, Like I
Speaker 1: don't know I was. I'm always like they're going to
Speaker 1: get back together, and I'm like it's like it's I
Speaker 1: don't know, It's like it's like a it's my Courtney
Speaker 1: and um Scott, Like I I not Courtney. Um yeah,
Speaker 1: Courtney and Scott, like I still want them to get
Speaker 1: back together. I'm the same way, And I feel ashamed
Speaker 1: saying that. Why because he was terrible. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get me all riled up because he's can
Speaker 1: you really terrible to her? But yet I love them
Speaker 1: because I want him to change and I wanted to
Speaker 1: be good. I think he has. I really truly am
Speaker 1: the biggest Courtney and Scott advocate. Um meet, wait, like
Speaker 1: I am too, And I'm always just like, can you
Speaker 1: all just please? Like I just like I see she
Speaker 1: still loves him. He's still obsessed with her, Like you
Speaker 1: can just see it. You think she still is in
Speaker 1: love with him. I don't know what. I just wish
Speaker 1: the way she acts now she had done with Scott
Speaker 1: because I feel like she I mean, I know he
Speaker 1: was a whole lot of horrible to her, but she
Speaker 1: was very She played a part. Two. We all play
Speaker 1: a part in every book. This is all from seeing
Speaker 1: it on TVs, like what actually happened, but like, yeah,
Speaker 1: big advocate for them, big advocate for you and Brian
Speaker 1: Austin Green. Okay, well we'll still see it out into
Speaker 1: either of those ever work out at third What is
Speaker 1: it they niverse? Ethernet? I don't know. Is that a
Speaker 1: cool fancy way of saying the Internet? I know it
Speaker 1: was smart for me. Universe Oh you mean Internet? Oh
Speaker 1: I mean Internet. I mean like the universe and the
Speaker 1: ether ether ether, that's it. So Ethernet is Internet, guys.
Speaker 1: This is when. Yeah, okay, okay, so go what are
Speaker 1: we What are we doing? What are we working on?
Speaker 1: The podcast? Letting you that under the rag? No? Um? Okay?
Speaker 1: So no two one, OMG. I have a show on
Speaker 1: MTV called Messiness. Um. We just filmed our second season
Speaker 1: and it's really fun because I get to be no
Speaker 1: like I've always been toned down like I have. I
Speaker 1: have like for everyone loves Donna, Donna is me. That
Speaker 1: was like me to a core. But I also have
Speaker 1: like a really like dirty sense of humor and I
Speaker 1: t am I like I talked too much about up
Speaker 1: and yeah there's that side. So but you know, in
Speaker 1: the public eye, like you're always told to not do that,
Speaker 1: like keep it this way. And I was just in
Speaker 1: Malta for a month filming a show that I can't
Speaker 1: about yet, but I'll be excited. Um okay, so when
Speaker 1: Pete look at me, I'm gonna be too honest, like
Speaker 1: so when people ask me, I literally I can't lie
Speaker 1: to you. Like Malta was great, but from what I saw,
Speaker 1: I made it look amazing on Instagram. I literally was
Speaker 1: working like nineteen hour days. I saw my bed which
Speaker 1: was super comfy at the Weston, and then I would
Speaker 1: get picked up and taken to set, which was not
Speaker 1: near the ocean. It was like Survivor. So then why
Speaker 1: film Dusty? I don't know, you know what I mean, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, they do a lot of shows in Malta.
Speaker 1: Interesting and um originally it was a UK show that's
Speaker 1: being done for the US and and their partners, so
Speaker 1: it's also simultaneously going to launch like the UK version
Speaker 1: and the US version, and so the crew was all
Speaker 1: from the UK because I actually didn't know where Malta is.
Speaker 1: I didn't either. When I got offered it, I was like,
Speaker 1: she wait, what's that. It's a country in Europe, so
Speaker 1: it's its own little country it is. It's an island.
Speaker 1: I honestly thought I was in Italy or like, it's
Speaker 1: on the coast, its own. You can take like an
Speaker 1: hour ferry from Malta and get to sicily beautiful. I
Speaker 1: heard it was a friend went with me and she
Speaker 1: didn't have to work, so she got to go and
Speaker 1: she said it was incredible. But yeah, I never even
Speaker 1: got to take my toes in the sea. What. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's beautiful. Look at look at she missed? So from
Speaker 1: my hotel room, I could see that view. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: heard the water was really warm, so I'll have to
Speaker 1: go back. So that's a hard working MoMA right there.
Speaker 1: You know, she doesn't even spend extra time to go
Speaker 1: dip her toes in the water because she has to
Speaker 1: get back home to her baby's go to the MLFI
Speaker 1: coast for three days, okay right afterwards? Yeah I want
Speaker 1: to do that, You're like, well, actually I did. I
Speaker 1: actually did, which was exhausting because because I was so tired,
Speaker 1: I just wanted to like sit by pool or a beach.
Speaker 1: But we were like exciting and shopping and eating and yeah,
Speaker 1: I love it. Well, thank you for being my co
Speaker 1: host today. Can we do a part two like later
Speaker 1: down the road? Yeah, of course, any time I actually
Speaker 1: want to come to Nashville, Um, please come. I it's
Speaker 1: yeah in my dream to come for a long time.
Speaker 1: All right, we'll wind down next. Thanks Toory Bye.