1 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 2 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Kaddy. 3 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 2: Armstrong and Joy and He. 4 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 3: Arm Drawn live from a studio c in a dimly 5 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,839 Speaker 3: lit room either them the bowels of the Armstrong and 6 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 3: Getting Communications Compound. And today, y'all, we're under the tutelage 7 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:45,360 Speaker 3: of our general manager. 8 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk. 9 00:00:46,479 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: Of course, in his message, which I pray will carry 10 00:00:50,960 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: on or perhaps even be amplified. 11 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 2: And what message was that. 12 00:00:58,000 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: That we need to talk to each other civilly and 13 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: trade ideas out in the open. It was also a 14 00:01:03,920 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: fierce advocate for conservative notions and against the woke crowd. 15 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: But his methods were entirely enthusiastically peaceful and friendly. 16 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, for that, he was murdered. It's hard to imagine 17 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 3: a a more American thing than going around to college 18 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 3: campuses and saying, who disagrees with me, move to the front, 19 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 3: and then you have a reasonable discussion about things. I mean, 20 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 3: if we can't do that, we are one hundred percent doomed. 21 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:46,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would, I would say so. 22 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 3: I mean that is as basic to the structure of 23 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 3: people being able to govern themselves as you can possibly 24 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 3: get and if if we no longer can do that, 25 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:04,440 Speaker 3: and I question whether we can. I mean, one political 26 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 3: view has not been welcome on college campuses for a 27 00:02:07,160 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 3: very long time. And if we can't do that, then 28 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:14,560 Speaker 3: then I guess people can't govern themselves and you have 29 00:02:14,600 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 3: to have a king or a dictator because we're just 30 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 3: incapable of. 31 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 2: Holment together. 32 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: So it would seem so a little contrast here turning 33 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 1: point USA's announcement about Charlie's visit that ended in his assassination. 34 00:02:30,760 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: Joined Charlie Kirk on campus for a lively discussion of 35 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,280 Speaker 1: freedom in America. Don't agree with Charlie, great, go to 36 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:37,160 Speaker 1: the front of the line. 37 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:37,840 Speaker 2: See you there. 38 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 1: Meanwhile, change dot org, the progressive organization, put out a 39 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: statement Kirk's presence and the message he delivers let's just 40 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: stop there. Kirk's presence stands in contrast to the values 41 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,519 Speaker 1: of understanding, acceptance, and progress that many of us hold dear. 42 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: His very right to and acceptance of the invitation to 43 00:03:04,160 --> 00:03:07,080 Speaker 1: speak is an outrage to those people. 44 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 3: Well, uh, that's one of the reasons I'm very down 45 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:18,640 Speaker 3: about this. I am not optimistic at all that we 46 00:03:18,720 --> 00:03:22,239 Speaker 3: can turn this around, maybe at all, certainly not a 47 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 3: short term. No, we're not going to stop claiming that 48 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 3: the other side is out to jaal us, throw in 49 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,440 Speaker 3: prison or kill us. We're not gonna stop doing that. 50 00:03:33,520 --> 00:03:37,120 Speaker 3: I don't think because of the function of social media 51 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 3: and our culture combined with social media, with modern communication, 52 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 3: I just I'm not sure it can be fixed, right right, 53 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 3: As I've said many times. Oh, just a quick observation that, yeah, 54 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 3: I share your pessimism. Because some prominent politicians, like the 55 00:03:54,480 --> 00:03:57,560 Speaker 3: most prominent ones on the Republican side, said we've got 56 00:03:57,600 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 3: to stop the violence, for instance, and they called out 57 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 3: only left wing violence, right and then many many Democrats 58 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:06,160 Speaker 3: rolled out and said we've got to stop the violence 59 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:08,280 Speaker 3: and called out only right wing violence. 60 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 2: As we have said before, and. 61 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 3: People are saying no, when people start calling out their 62 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 3: own side, then we have a chance. But I don't 63 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 3: know when that's going to occur, right right, Well, and 64 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:24,360 Speaker 3: back to your internet point. 65 00:04:24,440 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: And this is uh, this is one of the firmest 66 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: beliefs I have about the modern world. And some of 67 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: you have heard me say this before, so I'll give 68 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:36,279 Speaker 1: you the short version. But for all of human history, 69 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:41,840 Speaker 1: if you had an awful, unhinged idea. Everyone around you, 70 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:46,279 Speaker 1: your world would tell you that's an awful, unhinged idea 71 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: because there's only one jackass that you know for five 72 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 1: hundred square miles who thinks something is stupid and unhinged 73 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,360 Speaker 1: as you, Right, But if you get on the Internet, 74 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:02,040 Speaker 1: that same ratio of one one stupid sick person every 75 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:05,360 Speaker 1: five hundred miles is a community of eight hundred thousand 76 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: worldwide who then enforce each other's stupid, vicious, sick ideas. 77 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 3: How we get beyond that? I don't have any idea, well, 78 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:19,520 Speaker 3: and it gets better if you lean that political direction. 79 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 3: The algorithm of whatever site you go to on a 80 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 3: regular basis feeds you that stuff as if that's the 81 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 3: only thing that's out there, and feeds you the worst 82 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 3: of the other side to amplify your discuss with them. 83 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:35,360 Speaker 2: Yeah. 84 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:37,960 Speaker 1: I don't know the right metaphor, but I think healthy 85 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:42,279 Speaker 1: people saying people need to start looking at the Internet 86 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:43,320 Speaker 1: like I don't. 87 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 2: And again I don't know what the right metaphor is. 88 00:05:45,000 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: But something like fentanyl, for instance, which is an extremely 89 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:55,159 Speaker 1: useful surgical drug and incredibly horribly. 90 00:05:54,680 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 3: Dangerous, couldn't be more dangerous the Internet is that it's 91 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:06,080 Speaker 3: wonderful and horribly dangerous. I think people are cognizant of that. 92 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 3: I like a lot of people thought when the Internet 93 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 3: came along, that, you know, the democratization of information and 94 00:06:17,320 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 3: doing away with the gatekeepers of information was such a 95 00:06:21,080 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 3: good thing. It clearly was not and is not, and 96 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:27,080 Speaker 3: I don't know if there's any coming back. I was 97 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 3: happy to see that almost entirely your old school gatecp 98 00:06:31,440 --> 00:06:34,520 Speaker 3: keepers yesterday treated this like the tragedy. It was like 99 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 3: I watched the ABC Evening News. They treated this one 100 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 3: hundred percent like the tragedy. It was from the beginning. 101 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 3: I thought that was great. All living presidents, all your 102 00:06:43,760 --> 00:06:47,840 Speaker 3: big time leaders, Nancy Pelosi, whoever, everybody. They said the 103 00:06:47,920 --> 00:06:50,240 Speaker 3: right things, the gatekeepers, but they just don't have the 104 00:06:50,320 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 3: influence they used to have. 105 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: Right, and so certainly not over the sort of people 106 00:06:56,360 --> 00:06:57,960 Speaker 1: who would engage in this sort. 107 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,520 Speaker 3: Of horror, Right do you think I was thinking about 108 00:07:00,520 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 3: this on the drive in. They're discussing on Fox how 109 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,440 Speaker 3: this is the first time that anybody can remember when 110 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 3: there's been a major a major assassination or a major 111 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 3: assassination attempt where you don't have the person very quickly, 112 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 3: like practically immediately. Yeah, So uh does that help the 113 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 3: discussion or hurt the discussion that we don't have any 114 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 3: idea who it is? I almost think it helps us 115 00:07:27,520 --> 00:07:31,440 Speaker 3: frame the discussion around our political discourse that it's out 116 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 3: of control when something needs to be done, because once 117 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:37,480 Speaker 3: you get the individual and you start looking into the 118 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 3: things they think and say, and then it waters everything 119 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 3: down and then. 120 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 1: They're prosecuting them and their beliefs as opposed to just 121 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 1: violence in general. 122 00:07:45,760 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 2: Yeah. 123 00:07:46,120 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 3: Right, and uh, and it's possible the guys a complete loan. 124 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 3: It's it's possible that it's a well thought out, coordinated 125 00:07:56,760 --> 00:07:59,880 Speaker 3: with some group or country they were talking about on 126 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:01,760 Speaker 3: I hadn't even thought about that. Charlie Kirk was a 127 00:08:01,800 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 3: big enough deal that there could have been countries that 128 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 3: would have been willing to take him out but anyway. 129 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: Or he was a dedicated Zionist, so it could be 130 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 1: a transnational movement of a certain religion. Yeah, it could 131 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: be that I have any information that's true. It just 132 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: could be could be something big like that, or he 133 00:08:16,960 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: could be a complete loon. The guy that's on trial 134 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 1: right now for the second Trump assassination is a complete lunatic. Yeah, 135 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:29,280 Speaker 1: but obviously the current state of rhetoric in this country 136 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,680 Speaker 1: gets through to the lunatics and tips them off that hey, 137 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:35,640 Speaker 1: now's the time, this is do or die time. Do 138 00:08:35,720 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 1: you want to be a patriot? Takeout whoever? 139 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 2: Well right? 140 00:08:39,040 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 3: And the. 141 00:08:40,960 --> 00:08:46,200 Speaker 1: Spectrum of how grounded in reality you are ranges from 142 00:08:46,200 --> 00:08:52,960 Speaker 1: you know, perfectly saying to completely psychotic, and it's fairly 143 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:56,559 Speaker 1: rare you see an assassination who's an assassin rather who's 144 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: fully sane. They're usually unhinged at one level or another. 145 00:08:59,679 --> 00:09:04,480 Speaker 1: But again, given the reinforcement of the ideas of the unhinged, 146 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 1: I mean, without even dabbling into the world of AI 147 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: which I was just reading about, how it aided and 148 00:09:10,679 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: embedded a young man committing suicide in a way that 149 00:09:14,400 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: is just unthinkable. There are enough people like that that 150 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 1: the sane among us have to think hard and long 151 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 1: about what, if anything, can be done about it? 152 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:32,400 Speaker 3: What are your network? Crime and justice reporters said. Officials 153 00:09:32,400 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 3: believe this was a very well thoroughly planned out assassination, 154 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:44,560 Speaker 3: as it almost had to be to you know, know 155 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 3: where he was going to be, know where you should 156 00:09:46,559 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 3: be to get the line of sight, have an escape plan. 157 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,520 Speaker 3: Usually these people don't have any plan for getting out. 158 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 3: This person got out of there, I mean, so it's. 159 00:09:57,480 --> 00:09:58,880 Speaker 2: Who knows. 160 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 3: I hope it wasn't coordinated by some other country or 161 00:10:03,840 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 3: transnational group. It's not good no matter what. I don't know, 162 00:10:08,679 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 3: I am not. 163 00:10:10,720 --> 00:10:11,199 Speaker 2: It's funny. 164 00:10:11,240 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 3: A friend of mine the other day I was talking 165 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:16,520 Speaker 3: about something and was talking about how I'm always so 166 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 3: long term optimistic, and I am about myself in my 167 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 3: own little world I can control. I'm always long term 168 00:10:22,679 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 3: optimistic for whatever reason. I am not about the state 169 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,839 Speaker 3: of our politics at all. Long term optimistic. No, I 170 00:10:30,880 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 3: would agree. I would agree completely. Getting back to the. 171 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:40,920 Speaker 1: Murderer, the horrifying destroyer of not only a young man's 172 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: life and young children's dad, I just woman's husband. 173 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,680 Speaker 3: I just heard someone and the kids were there. I 174 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,280 Speaker 3: didn't know that they were there. Oh was that right? 175 00:10:50,720 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 2: They were at the event. Oh that's horrible. 176 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, But so a monster who is willing to do 177 00:10:57,160 --> 00:11:00,199 Speaker 1: that sort of damage to the fabric of the United 178 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: States and it's people, not just the family. I certainly 179 00:11:03,800 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 1: hope he has caught. I presume it's a male as 180 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,599 Speaker 1: quickly as possible. Let's hope that because there was a 181 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:15,200 Speaker 1: vehicle involved almost certainly in the approach in the getaway, 182 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:19,920 Speaker 1: and college campuses are reasonably secure that the authorities have 183 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: the evidence that they need to track this guy down eventually. 184 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: What a nightmare scenario it would be if he were 185 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:30,880 Speaker 1: to disappear into the woods and never be apprehended. 186 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 2: I can't imagine that that's possible. 187 00:11:33,280 --> 00:11:36,079 Speaker 1: It seems unlikely since the full weight of the federal 188 00:11:36,120 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: government is going to be oh ought to bear here. 189 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:41,240 Speaker 1: I'm sure Trump not to mention the Utah authorities, who 190 00:11:41,280 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 1: are quite suitably second and rather enthusiastic about tracking this 191 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 1: guy down. 192 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 3: I'm sure Trump said to cash Pattel, whatever expense, this 193 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 3: is priority. 194 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:58,240 Speaker 2: Number one, Right, we should start to show officially. 195 00:11:58,280 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 3: There's so much to say about it, and we want 196 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 3: to hear from you, and we've got the reactions of 197 00:12:01,960 --> 00:12:03,719 Speaker 3: a lot of pundits and writings and that sort of 198 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 3: stuff to pass along today. I'm Jack Armstrong, He's Joe 199 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 3: Getty on this. It is Thursday, September eleventh, you're twenty 200 00:12:11,280 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 3: twenty five. We're Armstrong and getting and we approve of 201 00:12:13,240 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 3: this program. 202 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 203 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:16,400 Speaker 1: I just want to mention very briefly that we also 204 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: have a fair amount of audio of Charlie himself doing 205 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:22,920 Speaker 1: the most American thing you can imagine, engaging on issues 206 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: in the open and discussing the things that matter in America. 207 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,760 Speaker 1: So let's begin now according sec rules, Rags at Mark. 208 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 4: If you could be associated with one thing, how would 209 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 4: you want to be remembered. I want to be remembered 210 00:12:37,080 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 4: for courage from my faith. That would be the most 211 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 4: important thing. Most important thing is my faith in my life. 212 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 3: Community college dropout, Charlie Kirk. What a brain did that 213 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:55,800 Speaker 3: guy have? I was listening to some of his getting 214 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 3: into arguments with people. One of the reasons he was 215 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:59,840 Speaker 3: so confident in arguing with people is he has, like 216 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,880 Speaker 3: all the facts and figures that exist in his brain 217 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 3: ready to go. 218 00:13:05,320 --> 00:13:05,520 Speaker 2: Yeah. 219 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: Once in a while I heard people use college drop 220 00:13:09,040 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: out in a disparaging way. No, he thought, this is 221 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 1: a waste of time, this is moving too. 222 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 3: It have been it would have been a waste of 223 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,959 Speaker 3: time to go to any college for him, yes, obviously, 224 00:13:17,440 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 3: But anyway, I got a lot more good stuff. I 225 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 3: got the headlines on the way I hope you can 226 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:22,080 Speaker 3: stay here by the way way in text line four 227 00:13:22,120 --> 00:13:32,280 Speaker 3: one five two nine five k FTC some major development, 228 00:13:32,400 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 3: and they've got a press conference going on right now 229 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 3: in Utah. They just announce that they believe the weapon 230 00:13:40,200 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 3: that was used to assassinate Charlie Kirk has been found 231 00:13:43,440 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 3: in a wooded area nearby. 232 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:47,359 Speaker 2: So that is interesting. 233 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 3: So if it's a super high level planned operation, then 234 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:53,760 Speaker 3: it was some sort of untraceable clean gun that the 235 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 3: smart thing to do was to immediately discard it and 236 00:13:56,600 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 3: go on and they won't get much out of it, 237 00:13:59,840 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 3: or you know, they're gonna be able to trace immediately 238 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:04,319 Speaker 3: where it was purchased and who belonged to and all 239 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 3: that sort of stuff. 240 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,679 Speaker 2: So we'll find out very quickly, I would imagine. All right, 241 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 2: let's see what else happened in the news. Who's reporting what? 242 00:14:11,400 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 2: It's the lead story with Jensen Raider Jensen. 243 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 5: Yeah, a lot of the news is being dominated right 244 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:21,120 Speaker 5: now about the Kirk shooting. An investigation going on. Fox 245 00:14:21,160 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 5: News was leading with Governor Spencer Cox declaring Charlie Kirk 246 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:28,359 Speaker 5: killing a political assassination at Utah's campus. 247 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, that reminds me. 248 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're gonna have Governor Cox's speech, his comments yesterday, 249 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: which I found incredibly eloquent. Boy was he good and 250 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 1: well done. Yeah, that was really very impressive. 251 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 3: Oh, by the other way, the other piece of information, 252 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 3: they just so the high powered bolt action rifle is 253 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,000 Speaker 3: what they recovered, and they've got a good video. 254 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 2: They think of the guy. So that helps. 255 00:14:55,160 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 5: Now to Fox ten in Phoenix, Turning Point, USA headquarters 256 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:00,760 Speaker 5: is becoming immemorial for Charlie Kirk. 257 00:15:01,480 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 2: That's in Phoenix, Yes, okay, and. 258 00:15:04,320 --> 00:15:07,320 Speaker 5: Then the New York Times social media falls into well 259 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,520 Speaker 5: worn grooves after Charlie Kirk's death. 260 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's a fair enough assessment. Although again social 261 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:20,840 Speaker 1: media the Internet in general, is such a gathering place 262 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:23,000 Speaker 1: for or for scumbags. 263 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:25,720 Speaker 3: I didn't, I didn't. I didn't agree with that. I 264 00:15:25,760 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 3: saw that headline. I didn't agree with the headline. It 265 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,280 Speaker 3: fell into well worn group. I felt it was a 266 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 3: much better universal outcry. If this is awful than I've 267 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 3: seen in a long time. Yeah, except at the outer edges. 268 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 3: But that's that's not going to change. Those people are 269 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 3: scumbags and or Russian bots. The number of yes, the 270 00:15:47,280 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 3: number of Twitter accounts I saw that said he got 271 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 3: what he deserved, karma, blah blah blah. I click on 272 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:59,040 Speaker 3: the identities and they had fourteen followers following two hundred 273 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 3: and forty people as the classic bots. 274 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 2: I did this profile. I did this in the middle 275 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 2: of the night last night. 276 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 3: I was reading through the fringe weirdos and thinking this 277 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 3: is so disgusting, and I thought, wait a second, you're 278 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,040 Speaker 3: being jerked around by Chinese bots. 279 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:12,200 Speaker 2: Don't read Russians. 280 00:16:12,280 --> 00:16:17,680 Speaker 5: Yeah, this out of newsweek. MSNBC fires Matthew Daud after 281 00:16:17,840 --> 00:16:20,000 Speaker 5: Charlie kirk assassination comment. 282 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 2: For instance. 283 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 3: I don't think that's a well worn groove that MSNBC 284 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:30,200 Speaker 3: immediately fired somebody who said something out of the out 285 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 3: of line with the feelings of the day. 286 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll play that for you probably next segment. But 287 00:16:35,560 --> 00:16:38,120 Speaker 1: he said essentially, well, you know, guys who say what 288 00:16:38,160 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: he said kind of are asking for it. Was horrific. 289 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: This guy was a pretty prominent politician too. 290 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 5: And then in slightly different news Washington Post aleged Trump 291 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 5: golf course gunman to give an opening argument in his 292 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 5: own trial. 293 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, oh today, Yeah, and that gets to what I 294 00:16:55,800 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 3: was talking about earlier. The guy came close enough to 295 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:00,000 Speaker 3: assassinating Trump. 296 00:17:00,160 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 2: Was completely nuts. So who knows who this person is? 297 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:06,680 Speaker 2: Right right? I hope we find out quickly. 298 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,639 Speaker 5: To wrap up with the Babylon be tough on crime, 299 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 5: Democrats propose one hundred strikes in your outlaw. 300 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:18,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, no kidding, Yeah, more on that story of free murder. Yeah, 301 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,200 Speaker 3: what did various people say? What did Charlie Kirk himself 302 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,440 Speaker 3: say throughout the years? If you don't know his act? 303 00:17:23,520 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 3: Lots on the way today, I hope you can stay with. 304 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,359 Speaker 2: Us Armstrong and Getty. 305 00:17:31,440 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 6: I go around universities and have challenging conversations and because 306 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 6: that's what is so important to our country is to 307 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:44,120 Speaker 6: find our disagreements respectfully, because when people stop talking, that's 308 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 6: when violence happens. 309 00:17:45,200 --> 00:17:46,480 Speaker 1: I've never seen someone movies. 310 00:17:46,560 --> 00:17:49,719 Speaker 6: Well, it's a growing trend because people like me are 311 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 6: facing violence, assaults the left, yes, the campus Antifa. I've 312 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,960 Speaker 6: been stormed out of restaurants. I've been assaulted publicly, multiple 313 00:17:58,960 --> 00:17:59,840 Speaker 6: death threats. 314 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 2: Bunch of college. There's more people that. 315 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:06,040 Speaker 6: Agree with me than some people would actually believe, and 316 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 6: they come out of the woodwork. When I do stuff 317 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 6: like this, we record all of it so that we 318 00:18:09,440 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 6: put on the internet so people can see these ideas collide. 319 00:18:12,359 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 6: When people stop talking, that's when you get violence. That's 320 00:18:15,080 --> 00:18:17,280 Speaker 6: when civil war happens because you start to think the 321 00:18:17,320 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 6: other side is so evil and they lose their humanity. 322 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:21,800 Speaker 7: This is a dark day for our state. 323 00:18:23,560 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 2: It's a tragic day for our nation. 324 00:18:26,320 --> 00:18:28,479 Speaker 7: And I want to be very clear that this is 325 00:18:28,680 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 7: a political assassination. 326 00:18:31,920 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 2: That was the Governor of Utah there at the end. 327 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, the first voice, obviously, Charlie Kirk answering questions from 328 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 1: a gal about why he does what he does, and 329 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:43,640 Speaker 1: then Governor Spencer Cox of Utah, part of his very 330 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: eloquent words. Governor Gavin Newsom of California called it a 331 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:53,199 Speaker 1: vile and disgusting Charlie Kirk was the first guest Gavin 332 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: Newsom had when he launched his podcast, it is vile 333 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: and disgusting. I wish I were more optimist that we 334 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:07,480 Speaker 1: could turn around our attitudes on this sort of thing. Yeah, Yeah, Unfortunately, 335 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 1: the most eloquent words we could generate, or the governor 336 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,440 Speaker 1: could generate, or anybody else who's talking about it today, 337 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,520 Speaker 1: even Gavin Newsom, I just I don't think that those 338 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:22,040 Speaker 1: who would who would carry out such a horrific act 339 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: can be reached, which is a pretty horrifying notion. So 340 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:35,280 Speaker 1: now we have had some emails, For instance, I may 341 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:38,400 Speaker 1: have saved one for a mailbag saying that, hey, there 342 00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: were other periods where there were way too many assassinations 343 00:19:41,920 --> 00:19:44,919 Speaker 1: and just as a society, we all became so horrified. 344 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,200 Speaker 1: It was, you know, similar to drunk driving, which used 345 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:50,159 Speaker 1: to be commonplace and kind of winked at, and that 346 00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:53,199 Speaker 1: there may be a societal trend away from it. I 347 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,320 Speaker 1: don't know if that's possible in the days of the Internet. 348 00:19:55,359 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 2: I just don't. 349 00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:03,200 Speaker 3: I agree, Yeah, I agree. Yeah, it's just it's such 350 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 3: a different structure than society used to be, where the 351 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 3: bulk of opinion could drag along the fringes or obscure 352 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 3: the fringes. Now it's almost the other way around. 353 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 2: Yeah. 354 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: The mechanisms by which ideas are traded and spread have 355 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: changed completely, or at least so significantly that it's just 356 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:32,959 Speaker 1: it's a different machine now, the idea of an idea 357 00:20:33,040 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: going viral or becoming you know, popular, or or practically 358 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: universally adopted. It's just it's a completely different machine, and 359 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,200 Speaker 1: nobody's quite sure how it works. 360 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 3: I would assume, I mean, we haven't said this yet, 361 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 3: does it even need to be said? I would assume 362 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,520 Speaker 3: pretty much everybody listening to this show realizes, if you 363 00:20:48,560 --> 00:20:52,200 Speaker 3: start down the road of political violence, it's over. There's 364 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 3: no winning that race to the bottom. It's the end 365 00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 3: of the experiment. 366 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: Unless it's settled by enormous blood letting in the way 367 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 1: the Civil War. For instance, Governor Spencer Cox, as we said, 368 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,439 Speaker 1: very eloquent yesterday, Let's hear a little more of what 369 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,199 Speaker 1: he had to say. 370 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:18,760 Speaker 2: This is the key. One of the key horrors of this. 371 00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:24,879 Speaker 1: Was the nature of Charlie's approach and beliefs. As he 372 00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:28,159 Speaker 1: himself said, We've got to be able to talk to 373 00:21:28,240 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: each other, otherwise you get horror and violence. So I'm 374 00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: going to go out and talk to people, and for 375 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,800 Speaker 1: that he was murdered. This is Governor Cox and. 376 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:40,840 Speaker 7: Charlie believed in the power of free speech and debate 377 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:45,280 Speaker 7: to shape ideas and to persuade people. 378 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 2: Historically, our university. 379 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 7: Campuses in this nation and here in the state of 380 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 7: Utah have been the place where truth and ideas are 381 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:02,720 Speaker 7: formulated and debated. And that's what he does. He comes 382 00:22:02,760 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 7: on college campuses and he debates as foundational to the 383 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:13,960 Speaker 7: formation of our country, to our most basic constitutional rights. 384 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:21,399 Speaker 7: And when someone takes the life of a person because 385 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 7: of their ideas or their ideals, then that very constitutional 386 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:27,400 Speaker 7: foundation is threatened. 387 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 2: Roll on, Michael, Now. 388 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 7: We have a person of interest in custody. Later astigation 389 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:40,639 Speaker 7: is ongoing, but I want to make it crystal clear 390 00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:45,040 Speaker 7: right now to whoever did this, we will find you, 391 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 7: we will try you, and we will hold you accountable 392 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:55,879 Speaker 7: to the furthest extent of the law. And I just 393 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:57,720 Speaker 7: want to remind people that we still have the death 394 00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,320 Speaker 7: penalty here in the state of Utah. 395 00:23:00,560 --> 00:23:02,560 Speaker 2: And then the last clip, if you don't mind. 396 00:23:02,760 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 7: If anyone in the sound of my voice celebrated even 397 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 7: a little bit at the news of this shooting, I 398 00:23:11,200 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 7: would beg you to look in the mirror and to 399 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 7: see if you can find a better angel in there somewhere. 400 00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 7: I don't care what his politics are. I care that 401 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:22,920 Speaker 7: he was an American. 402 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 2: He yeah, Glad to hear that. 403 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 3: Glad to hear things like this from Ezra Kleine of 404 00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 3: The New York Times, writing today on Charlie Kirk. You 405 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 3: can dislike much of what Kirk believed, and the following 406 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 3: statement is still true. Kirk was practicing politics and in 407 00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 3: exactly the right way. He was showing up to campuses 408 00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 3: and talking with anyone who talked to him. He was 409 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:48,119 Speaker 3: one of the era's most effective practitioners of persuasion. When 410 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 3: the Left thought it's hold on the hearts and minds 411 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:52,919 Speaker 3: of college students was nearly absolute, Kirk showed up and 412 00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,440 Speaker 3: again and again to break it. He was central and 413 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 3: laying the groundwork for it. I do not know Kirk, 414 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 3: and I am not the right person to you eulogize him, 415 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 3: but I envied what he built, and he was doing 416 00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 3: politics exactly the right way in this country. Yeah, that's 417 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,960 Speaker 3: what's so disturbing. It would be bad if it was 418 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 3: one of the bombchuckers on either side, it would still 419 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 3: be bad because we can't, like I said, we can't 420 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,840 Speaker 3: go down this road or it's all over. But he 421 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:22,320 Speaker 3: wasn't one of the bombchuckers. He was one of the 422 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:25,200 Speaker 3: let's have a reasonable conversation people, and he got killed 423 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 3: right right. I was trying to think and put in 424 00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 3: my mind, can you come up with anybody close to 425 00:24:33,160 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 3: the equivalent on the left. 426 00:24:36,280 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 2: I don't know who it would be. 427 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 3: Or I was just I was kind of doing a 428 00:24:41,119 --> 00:24:45,440 Speaker 3: thought experiment for myself because I saw some of the 429 00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 3: fringe voices who were somewhat celebrating this yesterday, and it 430 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:52,199 Speaker 3: was fringe. 431 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:55,880 Speaker 2: I think that needs to be stated over and over again. 432 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,199 Speaker 3: There was more of a universal condemnation of this than 433 00:24:59,280 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 3: practically anything I've seen in a very long time in 434 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 3: terms of both sides coming together in mainstream media. But 435 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,200 Speaker 3: I was trying to think of as a thought experiment 436 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,520 Speaker 3: for my own emotions, somebody who I really can't stand 437 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 3: on the left, and I don't know who'd be a 438 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 3: good example, joy Read or I don't know who, but 439 00:25:21,440 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 3: I'm positive that if I heard they were shot, I 440 00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 3: wouldn't think yay, I'm positive of that, right, I would think, 441 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 3: oh my god, that's horrible. 442 00:25:31,359 --> 00:25:33,879 Speaker 2: We can't go down this road. I'd have the same feelings. 443 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, there were a shocking number of multi colored haired, 444 00:25:39,000 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: angry young women in particular on the internet celebrating, But 445 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: I mean, just if three percent of the population are angry, 446 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,959 Speaker 1: soulless idiots, that's a hell of a lot of people. 447 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,320 Speaker 1: I try not to worry too much about those people. 448 00:25:56,359 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: As disgusting as it is, the details leaking out on 449 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: so the FBI says they have solid footage of who 450 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:06,399 Speaker 1: they believe was the shooter. 451 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,480 Speaker 2: They found the weapon, college. 452 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:15,160 Speaker 3: Age male, So it'll be interesting to find out what's 453 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,320 Speaker 3: going on here. Like I said earlier, though, it's almost 454 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,840 Speaker 3: better we don't know while we're having some of this discussion, 455 00:26:20,880 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 3: because does it make any difference. Does it really make 456 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 3: any difference. I'm not sure it makes any difference. It 457 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 3: would make a difference if he was, you know, funded 458 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:35,120 Speaker 3: by Iran or something, that would obviously make a difference. 459 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 3: But yeah, if he's completely insane or you know, thoroughly 460 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,120 Speaker 3: saying and thought this out, I'm not sure it makes 461 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 3: any difference on how we need to react as a 462 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 3: country or what we need to do going forward. We 463 00:26:50,640 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 3: need to quit with the apocalyptic view of our politics. 464 00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 2: That would help. 465 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:02,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, although that is a that's a great discussion 466 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:06,480 Speaker 1: and a difficult line to draw. If, for instance, you believe, 467 00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: as I do, that the far left progressive activists, for instance, 468 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: on college campuses, actually want the downfall of the United 469 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,600 Speaker 1: States and Western civilization in general. 470 00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,160 Speaker 2: They're avowed Marxists. 471 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: I will call them avowed Marxists because I have to 472 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 1: take them at their word and by their actions. On 473 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,440 Speaker 1: the other hand, I'm not in favor of killing Marxists either. 474 00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:31,439 Speaker 1: I'm in favor of making so many people aware of 475 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,200 Speaker 1: how terrible their ideas are that they reject them. True, 476 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: but we can win that battle, and it's a multi 477 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:42,399 Speaker 1: year battle. I'm speaking mostly of the I forget what 478 00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 1: the percentages were, but it was well into the majority. 479 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:50,119 Speaker 1: On both sides of the political aisle thought, if the 480 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 1: other side wins this election, the presidential election, this is 481 00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:57,560 Speaker 1: the election will have in this country. Both sides thought 482 00:27:57,600 --> 00:27:59,240 Speaker 1: that that's crazy. 483 00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, I would agree. 484 00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,920 Speaker 1: And speaking of troubling, there's a poll that came out 485 00:28:04,960 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 1: recently that indicated that a truly shocking number of Americans 486 00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,919 Speaker 1: on both sides of the aisle thought that, you know, 487 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,680 Speaker 1: it is occasionally justified to kill your opponent in politics. 488 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:19,760 Speaker 2: Right right? 489 00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 3: I remember that polling coming out about the shockingly high 490 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,960 Speaker 3: number of people are okay with political violence. 491 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 2: That's very troubling. 492 00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 3: Now, whether that was a performative reaction to the poll, 493 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 3: I hope a lot of it was. But just even 494 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 3: the willingness to say to a polster is horrifying. Then 495 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,520 Speaker 3: you got a chunk of people who I absolutely believe it. Right, 496 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 3: So on a lighter note, if you will, but yes, 497 00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:44,720 Speaker 3: I was about to say in their defense, I can't 498 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 3: say in their defense about people who agree with political violence. 499 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,560 Speaker 3: But you're being led in some cases by representatives who 500 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,240 Speaker 3: just told you the country will end if that person wins. 501 00:28:55,040 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 2: Right. If that doesn't. 502 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 3: Justify political violence in some people's minds, I don't know 503 00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:00,720 Speaker 3: what would well. 504 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: And also, as we've discussed more than once, if someone 505 00:29:03,840 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: is actually seriously convinced that a would be political leader 506 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 1: as a kin to Aidolf Hitler, then that person should 507 00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:16,320 Speaker 1: be eliminated. We tried to assassinate Hitler every chance we got. 508 00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: His opponents inside Germany did and nobody's saying WHOA WHOA 509 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:22,960 Speaker 1: WOA political violence is wrong because he was that dangerous 510 00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 1: a character. So yeah, to use rhetoric like that is 511 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:29,200 Speaker 1: to invite violence, absolutely, one hundred percent. On a lighter note, 512 00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: football revved up, full force, exciting play though, my gosh, 513 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,040 Speaker 1: there were some great games last weekend. There are going 514 00:29:37,080 --> 00:29:39,480 Speaker 1: to be more this weekend, and Prize Picks is a 515 00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 1: great fun way to get involved. It's daily fantasy sports 516 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 1: without the dang the responsibility of running a team. You 517 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: just pick more or less on at least two player 518 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 1: stat projections go for there. 519 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:57,160 Speaker 3: Ceazy on Commander's Packers Tonight. 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They call it their 530 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 3: max discount. Super fun. Download the Prize Picks. He used 531 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:35,959 Speaker 3: the code Armstrong. Prize Picks. It's good to be right. Anywait, 532 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 3: we do have kind of an odd thing going on, 533 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 3: Like the President and Millenia are at a nine to 534 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 3: eleven memorial thing in New York. You have to do 535 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 3: that sort of thing. Obviously, it is worth remembering and 536 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,239 Speaker 3: all that. But in terms of a threat to this 537 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:55,560 Speaker 3: country today, top of mind threat is our own internal 538 00:30:55,600 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 3: political violence, not Muslim extremists knocking down buildings. 539 00:30:59,800 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: So right, yeah, some of the reactions on the right 540 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: and left coming up next hour. I promised you the 541 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:13,400 Speaker 1: Matthew Dowd stuff from MSNBC that got him fired, and 542 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:15,320 Speaker 1: we'll pay that off next hour. 543 00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 2: I think it's sick. 544 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: It's significant that he's not just some dips talking head 545 00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: on MSNBC, but is a pretty significant politician. And I 546 00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: think it was Tennessee for a long time. Well, he's 547 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: been a pundit forever. He's one of those Republicans. He 548 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 1: used to run campaigns and then turned against his own party, 549 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 1: and then MSNBC just loved him, and he's been on 550 00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,080 Speaker 1: all the talk shows forever. Shot off his mouth yesterday. 551 00:31:38,080 --> 00:31:40,400 Speaker 3: What I'm happy to see is that a network said no, no, no, no, 552 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 3: too far, you can't, we can't do this. That's good news. 553 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,479 Speaker 3: That's a little ray of light in the whole thing. Anyway, 554 00:31:46,480 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 3: we've got mailbag, next bunch of stuff. Drey Gowdy, who 555 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of, was just on Fox saying 556 00:31:58,120 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 3: every American needs to watch the video, the close up 557 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 3: video with the blood and everything. I think he's completely 558 00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 3: wrong about that, but I do want to discuss the 559 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 3: video and the way it traveled around and Executive producer 560 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 3: Hanson and I both having the same experience of picking 561 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 3: our kids up from school, wanting to explain to them 562 00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,840 Speaker 3: what happened today and finding out they'd already seen the 563 00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 3: most graphic of videos multiple times before we even got 564 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 3: to them at school. 565 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's horrible, Yes it is. 566 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 3: That's a modern media, the way we disseminate information. 567 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,240 Speaker 2: Story. But yeah, I want to talk about that later. 568 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, I do too, And actually I have a different 569 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:45,080 Speaker 1: opinion than you do on that topic, so I'm interested 570 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: to exchange views. 571 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:48,920 Speaker 2: You know. 572 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 1: The long story, sure of mine, is that it varies 573 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,560 Speaker 1: very much person to person. But here's your freedom loving 574 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: quote of the day from Abraham Lincoln his famous Lyceum 575 00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:01,960 Speaker 1: address at nineteen I'm sorry eighteen thirty eight. If destruction 576 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. 577 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: As a nation of free men, we must live through 578 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:11,640 Speaker 1: all time or die by suicide. And that has been 579 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:18,080 Speaker 1: paraphrased many times that if we falter and lose our freedoms, 580 00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,440 Speaker 1: it will because it be because we destroyed ourselves. And 581 00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:26,400 Speaker 1: I would agree, fresh and cold Abe mail Bag, you 582 00:33:26,400 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: can write us anytime. Mail Bag at Armstrong Egeddy dot com. 583 00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: It's email address. Lots and lots and lots of really good, eloquent, 584 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:40,160 Speaker 1: interesting emails about the assassination of young Charlie Kirk. Pete 585 00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: Kirk would have sat and talked to his murderer to 586 00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,000 Speaker 1: discuss their differences. I'm sad to think that the murderer 587 00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,200 Speaker 1: had such fear of facing truth that they would slaughter 588 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: a young man instead. The coward that killed Kirk just 589 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,920 Speaker 1: made him Obi wan Kenobi turning point. USA is going 590 00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 1: to be a bigger player in the future than it 591 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:56,280 Speaker 1: was yesterday. 592 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,640 Speaker 2: I totally hope that's true. Yeah, I don't know about that. 593 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,479 Speaker 2: He was a singular talent. 594 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 3: I mean, if you want to just do brass knuckles politics, 595 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 3: the killer took out an irreplaceable talent for a certain 596 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,080 Speaker 3: segment of society. 597 00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 1: Marina from San Diego, My heart is so heavy. Charlie 598 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 1: Kirk was a national treasure. I like in his assassination 599 00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,480 Speaker 1: at mlk's Charlie had a dream to teach young people 600 00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 1: to love God and country, to restore dialogue and debate 601 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,759 Speaker 1: to college campuses, to bring a revolution of love and 602 00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:35,080 Speaker 1: respect for one another through open and respectful conversations. She 603 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: quotes Greg Guttfeld as hoping that Charlie's movement will be 604 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 1: emboldened to not silence thousands of satellite groups in high 605 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 1: schools and colleges around the country. Let's see, Anonymous. I 606 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,840 Speaker 1: have not loved Charlie Kirk, but I hate political violence. 607 00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,960 Speaker 1: My fifteen year old daughter said she saw the video immediately, 608 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:57,200 Speaker 1: which broke my heart, and that the alphabet crowded her Roseville, 609 00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:00,600 Speaker 1: California High school was cheering in life, laughing when the 610 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: news about Charlie's death arrived. 611 00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:03,000 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 612 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:06,360 Speaker 1: Fortunately my daughter was saddened by it. Our soft children 613 00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,960 Speaker 1: do not understand what they are cheering. This is not 614 00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:09,399 Speaker 1: the way. 615 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 3: Oh my god, that is horrifying. That's the worst thing 616 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 3: I've heard since the shooting. 617 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:15,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know. Wow. 618 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 1: Aaron Wright's Charlie Kirk was one of our own, and 619 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,759 Speaker 1: the best of us. The crack of gunfire and his 620 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,720 Speaker 1: head rearing back is as jugular, erupted, as forever burned 621 00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: into our minds, along with a gorgeous young girl who 622 00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,319 Speaker 1: had enough time to look up at her murderer and 623 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 1: shock before burying her head in her hands and bleeding out. Transhooters. 624 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,120 Speaker 1: Christian killers, assassinations, rampant crime child mutilation, all of it 625 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: under the rainblow flag of progress. This is the lasting 626 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: legacy of the left. The tough reality is that we 627 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:48,120 Speaker 1: cannot coexist with the radical left. So what now? I 628 00:35:48,200 --> 00:35:50,320 Speaker 1: might need to talk to someone I haven't been this angry, 629 00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:57,239 Speaker 1: et cetera. Reading emails did not necessarily indicate a full 630 00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: endorsement of their ideas. I just want to give you 631 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,000 Speaker 1: an idea of the range of thoughts we're getting. 632 00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:05,400 Speaker 3: Going back to that last email, those kids who erupted 633 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,760 Speaker 3: in cheers or laughter at that, they didn't raise themselves. 634 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,840 Speaker 1: They have been successfully indoctrinated. That's unbelievable. 635 00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,680 Speaker 3: So they heard somebody from the other side just got 636 00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,879 Speaker 3: shot to death in front of his wife and little kids, 637 00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 3: and say, yay, that is the worst thing I've heard 638 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,120 Speaker 3: in the last twenty four hours. 639 00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,360 Speaker 1: That's a great example of why I'm so adamant about 640 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,640 Speaker 1: the indoctrination taking place in government schools. 641 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 2: At second Wow, Armstrong and Getty