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Speaker 4: I wanted Mike be able to be the successor of

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Speaker 4: Bill Belichick for a while now, so fan you're plan.

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Speaker 4: didn't make it happen. I was pretty upset about it.

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Speaker 4: There's also just something appealing about let's get a fresh

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Speaker 3: want that. It hits I don't want that. That's to me,

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Speaker 3: that's not working.

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Speaker 4: But they went to the playoffs.

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Speaker 3: If that's if that's working, well, then I'm not but

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Speaker 3: don't care.

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Speaker 4: Well even eight games the last two years.

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Speaker 3: If but he's going to point to that style, is

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Speaker 3: You can have those arguments and then move on.

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Speaker 3: It's like, are we doing tours of the house, Like,

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Speaker 3: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here

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Speaker 3: at Jillette Stadium and the head coaching watch continues for

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Speaker 3: the New England Patriots. A lot of news out there,

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Speaker 3: Mike Rabel. It seems to be the consensus front runner

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Speaker 3: for the new England Patriots. However, they do have a

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Speaker 3: scheduled call supposedly tomorrow with Ben Johnson Aaron Glenn. I

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Speaker 3: don't know if there's others besides those two, but we

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Speaker 3: shall see what happens. But just everybody in the know,

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Speaker 3: and I'm not talking about the local people of the

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Speaker 3: national people all seem to think that it's you know,

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Speaker 3: Vrabel or bust for the team.

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Speaker 5: It kind of sounds that way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's where we are. That's where we are,

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Speaker 3: and as far as the rest of the staff, you know,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, feel for those guys right now. Kind of in limbo.

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Speaker 5: So there was a ESPN dot com. I think Dan

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Speaker 5: Graziano and Jeremy Fowler today sort of tag team effort

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Speaker 5: like a lot of other people, has added Josh McDaniels

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how I feel about that. I'm you know,

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Speaker 3: But that was the ghost of Cam Newton.

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Speaker 6: But Cam Newton is the best comp in terms of

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Speaker 3: The problem with the whole power running is you're either

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Speaker 5: Yeah, and even more so than him. I I don't

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Speaker 5: But I think they can do that with a question.

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Speaker 6: he can do all these different types of things. I'm

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Speaker 3: Threat to keep them on their heels. You can't be

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Speaker 5: But even if it's a smaller number than Cam Newton,

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Speaker 5: you don't need a You're just going to pick your

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Speaker 6: Now I love that idea.

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Speaker 5: I don't like that.

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Speaker 6: not saying that you have to do that with Drake

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I'm thinking of it plays that are

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Speaker 6: They they would run a lot of like you know,

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Speaker 4: But I like what I've been saying though, I think

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Speaker 5: And I know it was, you know, kind of a

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Speaker 5: Don't do that. It's on tool.

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Speaker 3: No, I'm just promoting your trying to your recall.

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Speaker 5: You're already trying to make me go back on my resolution. Anyway,

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Speaker 5: they give the little you know, the fake handoff zone read.

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Speaker 3: We know of any like Ben Johnson has the you know,

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Speaker 6: Know, I mean Ray Agnew is the name that gets

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Speaker 5: Yeah, But I like Mike's point because I do think

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Speaker 3: I think the great Yeah, just to get may on

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Speaker 5: But I want to make sure it's fair because I

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Speaker 3: But think about, like, forget about the fans. We will

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Speaker 5: But I'm just saying, like, regardless of who the offensive

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Speaker 5: But you're probably gonna blame it on the offensive coordinate. No,

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Speaker 6: end couldn't make.

439
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Speaker 5: I would say the Miami game would be a really

440
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Speaker 5: good example of what you're talking about.

441
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Speaker 6: The game at Miami, Yeah, I mean, or even the

442
00:20:10,474 --> 00:20:12,873
Speaker 6: pick against the one in the red zone. I think

443
00:20:12,874 --> 00:20:14,833
Speaker 6: it was against the Chargers right where you know, he

444
00:20:14,914 --> 00:20:17,593
Speaker 6: tried to throw the corner route and the two receivers

445
00:20:17,634 --> 00:20:20,474
Speaker 6: collided and then and there was nobody that ended up there.

446
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Speaker 3: But let's let's let's play the game. Let's say year two,

447
00:20:25,593 --> 00:20:28,194
Speaker 3: everything's the same. Mayo is still the head coach, a

448
00:20:28,313 --> 00:20:32,234
Speaker 3: VP is still the you know, coordinator, and the talent

449
00:20:32,273 --> 00:20:35,234
Speaker 3: around him, including the offensive line, is similar to what

450
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Speaker 3: ye're one was. I would still expect Drake may to

451
00:20:39,194 --> 00:20:44,794
Speaker 3: look better. I would too, Yeah, And if he doesn't, then.

452
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Speaker 6: I no, No, I think it's hard, because I think

453
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Speaker 6: a lot of hard. A lot of these, you know

454
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Speaker 6: a lot of guys in the similar mold have have

455
00:20:50,874 --> 00:20:54,353
Speaker 6: had similar ups and downs or peaks and valleys, like

456
00:20:54,434 --> 00:20:56,793
Speaker 6: Trevor Lawrence. Like Trevor Lawrence has got a lot of

457
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Speaker 6: raw talent. You can clearly see that Trevor Lawrence is

458
00:21:00,073 --> 00:21:03,994
Speaker 6: a talented, capable, you know, franchise quarterback, but the Jaguars

459
00:21:04,033 --> 00:21:06,313
Speaker 6: are a dumpster fire and have been his entire career.

460
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Speaker 6: So like, is it Trevor Lawrence is the problem? Or

461
00:21:08,914 --> 00:21:10,073
Speaker 6: is the Jaguars the problem?

462
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Speaker 5: And it's hard to imagine guys that have none of

463
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Speaker 5: the elements like so you say, like Joe Burrow, he

464
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Speaker 5: he was able to show you right away that he

465
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Speaker 5: was good with not a tremendous amount around him. But

466
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Speaker 5: then you know, okay, so you didn't have a lot

467
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Speaker 5: of pass protection, but he had T. Higgins. And then

468
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Speaker 5: year two we gets Jamar Chase and T. Higgins, so

469
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Speaker 5: at least he has elite weapons now, and you can

470
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Speaker 5: start to see how good it can be. To Evan's point,

471
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Speaker 5: Drake really has nothing.

472
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Speaker 6: No, he's got nothing, nothing like if he If they

473
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Speaker 6: go into year two and they have you know, Cam

474
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Speaker 6: Robbinson or Kelvin Banks playing left tackle and T. Higgins

475
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Speaker 6: is on the outside and he's still throwing picks and

476
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Speaker 6: he's still having these ups and downs, then we start

477
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Speaker 6: to be concerned about Drake.

478
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Speaker 5: I think it's right now.

479
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Speaker 6: I think it's there's one person that pointed at it,

480
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Speaker 6: and it's it's at Elliot Wolf or whoever's in charge

481
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Speaker 6: in that seat to pick the personnel. You know, they

482
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Speaker 6: have to make it easier on the quarterback. It's there's

483
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Speaker 6: too much on him right now.

484
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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure. Deuis you mentioned in passing the article

485
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Speaker 3: in the Herald today about the dysfunction in the organization

486
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Speaker 3: from the top down, you know would seem uh and

487
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Speaker 3: you know a lot of it was stuff that went

488
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Speaker 3: on this season with Gerrod Mayo. What was the thing

489
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Speaker 3: that you most took out of that article? I know

490
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Speaker 3: I have mind.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I say my overall thought which I

492
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Speaker 4: served with the guys was just like I felt like

493
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Speaker 4: a like a shooting circle, Like everyone's shooting at each

494
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Speaker 4: other in a circle and like you know, blaming and

495
00:22:38,634 --> 00:22:41,593
Speaker 4: pointing fingers it at everyone else. But I mean, I

496
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Speaker 4: let Paul talk about the one part that stood out

497
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Speaker 4: the most to me because I thought, immybe Paul was

498
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Speaker 4: just that you know that they said Joe was very,

499
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Speaker 4: very very excited about that win in Cincinnati, and I think,

500
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Speaker 4: you know, Paul led the way. But we all had

501
00:22:53,154 --> 00:22:55,594
Speaker 4: that conversation after that win and like, man, I mean

502
00:22:55,674 --> 00:22:58,434
Speaker 4: Ramandre was breaking tackles in the backfield. I mean, they're

503
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Speaker 4: getting the brakes, they're getting random you know, interceptions or whatever,

504
00:23:01,714 --> 00:23:03,953
Speaker 4: fumbles in their red zone. You know. I mean, there

505
00:23:03,994 --> 00:23:06,113
Speaker 4: was a lot of stuff went their way, and I

506
00:23:06,114 --> 00:23:08,394
Speaker 4: think we were all clear that this is not sustainable

507
00:23:08,394 --> 00:23:10,474
Speaker 4: how they're going to win it. So, you know, otherwise,

508
00:23:10,593 --> 00:23:13,354
Speaker 4: just a lot of you know, pointing to Girod's inexperience,

509
00:23:13,434 --> 00:23:16,593
Speaker 4: not a clear vision, but also plenty of pointing at

510
00:23:16,593 --> 00:23:19,553
Speaker 4: the players and the lack of development, the lack of talent.

511
00:23:19,593 --> 00:23:21,393
Speaker 4: I mean, everything we talked about, it's just you know,

512
00:23:21,434 --> 00:23:23,913
Speaker 4: it's everybody shooting at everybody else. It's that's why I

513
00:23:23,954 --> 00:23:25,553
Speaker 4: like when I said the thing about Rabel, like you

514
00:23:25,593 --> 00:23:27,913
Speaker 4: need someone to come in and clear the slate and

515
00:23:27,914 --> 00:23:29,793
Speaker 4: clear the deck. And I don't know if that means

516
00:23:29,833 --> 00:23:31,994
Speaker 4: all the personnel, and I know some people here would

517
00:23:32,033 --> 00:23:34,154
Speaker 4: say yes, but they got they got to get a

518
00:23:34,154 --> 00:23:37,074
Speaker 4: whole new program in place here. That's my main takeaway.

519
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that takeaway the reaction after the Cincinnati game where

520
00:23:41,954 --> 00:23:45,234
Speaker 3: whoever the player was that you know, he's bouncing off

521
00:23:45,273 --> 00:23:47,754
Speaker 3: walls after win, and it's like someone shot his dog

522
00:23:47,833 --> 00:23:51,474
Speaker 3: after a loss and that they're not even sure that

523
00:23:51,593 --> 00:23:54,194
Speaker 3: he watched the tape from that game, you know, because

524
00:23:54,234 --> 00:23:56,354
Speaker 3: the other coaches are watching the tape. It's like, oh boy,

525
00:23:56,434 --> 00:24:00,073
Speaker 3: we got lucky, you know, and here's why. And they're

526
00:24:00,073 --> 00:24:03,074
Speaker 3: not even sure that he did that. And they contrasted

527
00:24:03,073 --> 00:24:06,033
Speaker 3: it with Belichick, and I know, you know, we're comparing

528
00:24:06,114 --> 00:24:09,114
Speaker 3: him with the greatest coach ever. But Belichick, even after

529
00:24:09,194 --> 00:24:12,633
Speaker 3: a great win, would do the low light tapes. You know,

530
00:24:13,114 --> 00:24:15,033
Speaker 3: here's the things that we need to get better. And

531
00:24:15,073 --> 00:24:17,073
Speaker 3: if we keep doing these things, we're not gonna have

532
00:24:17,114 --> 00:24:20,674
Speaker 3: wins like this for long. And a lot of players

533
00:24:20,954 --> 00:24:23,313
Speaker 3: don't like that these days. But you have to, in

534
00:24:23,353 --> 00:24:26,234
Speaker 3: my opinion, you have to do that. You have to

535
00:24:26,273 --> 00:24:28,874
Speaker 3: do that. And then I was reading an article about Vrabel.

536
00:24:29,833 --> 00:24:31,873
Speaker 3: I think it was Logan Ryan was saying it.

537
00:24:31,914 --> 00:24:33,513
Speaker 4: I'm not sure, but he does.

538
00:24:33,714 --> 00:24:37,873
Speaker 3: He did the same thing in Tennessee to his credit

539
00:24:37,994 --> 00:24:41,113
Speaker 3: at Tennessee, and I think Brian Hoyer said it like

540
00:24:41,833 --> 00:24:43,754
Speaker 3: some of the leaders and the team were okay with that.

541
00:24:44,154 --> 00:24:46,994
Speaker 3: And so if your leaders are okay with being called

542
00:24:47,033 --> 00:24:51,034
Speaker 3: out in meetings and all that, and then the younger

543
00:24:51,194 --> 00:24:54,673
Speaker 3: guys will follow suit. But I think this year with

544
00:24:54,833 --> 00:24:58,273
Speaker 3: the captains being hurt and all that. You know, Mayo

545
00:24:58,353 --> 00:24:59,633
Speaker 3: didn't have that leadership, but.

546
00:24:59,714 --> 00:25:04,633
Speaker 4: The secondary maybe weren't ready for it.

547
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Speaker 3: But you can't. You can't be on that roller coaster

548
00:25:07,313 --> 00:25:09,474
Speaker 3: if you're a head coach. You know, you can't be

549
00:25:09,513 --> 00:25:12,994
Speaker 3: too high, you can't be too low. Uh, you got

550
00:25:13,033 --> 00:25:17,074
Speaker 3: to be steady throughout because you everything you do trickles

551
00:25:17,114 --> 00:25:18,194
Speaker 3: down to the rest of the team.

552
00:25:18,273 --> 00:25:20,673
Speaker 6: We saw that with him. We pointed it out in

553
00:25:20,754 --> 00:25:24,273
Speaker 6: real time that after the Cincinnati win the Monday morning,

554
00:25:24,634 --> 00:25:27,833
Speaker 6: Zoom called that he had with reporters. He was, My goodness,

555
00:25:27,914 --> 00:25:30,153
Speaker 6: was he on cloud nine? And I get it, like

556
00:25:30,194 --> 00:25:31,954
Speaker 6: it was an exciting win and for him, you know,

557
00:25:31,994 --> 00:25:33,714
Speaker 6: his first win in the NFL as a head coach.

558
00:25:33,754 --> 00:25:36,553
Speaker 6: I totally get it. But you could feel that in

559
00:25:36,593 --> 00:25:37,354
Speaker 6: real time. Now.

560
00:25:37,474 --> 00:25:40,273
Speaker 3: Carol did the same thing. Yeah, Pete Carroll did the

561
00:25:40,273 --> 00:25:44,434
Speaker 3: same thing. Comes here, starts off on to four or five,

562
00:25:44,793 --> 00:25:47,273
Speaker 3: I mean five and oh remember five and oh in

563
00:25:47,313 --> 00:25:49,433
Speaker 3: the NFL it's getting late in the evening, he's like

564
00:25:49,513 --> 00:25:52,474
Speaker 3: singing and dancing at the podium, you know, and like James,

565
00:25:53,994 --> 00:25:56,873
Speaker 3: you gotta be, you gotta be, you know, Let the

566
00:25:56,914 --> 00:26:01,954
Speaker 3: players celebrate, Let the players celebrate Sunday night. But Monday

567
00:26:01,994 --> 00:26:04,313
Speaker 3: the first year, I was like, what am I doing? Yeah, Monday,

568
00:26:04,353 --> 00:26:07,314
Speaker 3: we're on. We're on to the next opponent. We don't

569
00:26:07,353 --> 00:26:08,034
Speaker 3: have time right.

570
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean the story is from Builder in the

571
00:26:09,793 --> 00:26:11,674
Speaker 4: seven season when they went sixteen to oh and he's

572
00:26:11,754 --> 00:26:13,834
Speaker 4: just like tearing them how it's not good enough. And

573
00:26:14,273 --> 00:26:16,393
Speaker 4: I mean we went that's probably our discussion on that

574
00:26:16,394 --> 00:26:18,913
Speaker 4: Tuesday show after that Bengals game was just going through like,

575
00:26:19,353 --> 00:26:21,193
Speaker 4: I don't know, man, that wasn't good. That was I mean,

576
00:26:21,394 --> 00:26:23,874
Speaker 4: there was nice to win, but you could see the cracks.

577
00:26:24,313 --> 00:26:26,793
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I would say that. And there was a

578
00:26:26,833 --> 00:26:29,794
Speaker 5: story in The Athletic with Chad graft On the day

579
00:26:29,793 --> 00:26:33,793
Speaker 5: before Wednesday that you know, it was kind of you know,

580
00:26:33,833 --> 00:26:38,553
Speaker 5: similar vein different anecdotes. I didn't think there was really

581
00:26:38,593 --> 00:26:43,073
Speaker 5: anything that was all that surprising to read and hear.

582
00:26:44,553 --> 00:26:47,234
Speaker 5: And this stuff typically happens when it doesn't go well,

583
00:26:47,273 --> 00:26:49,394
Speaker 5: you have a bad season, you make a coaching change,

584
00:26:49,394 --> 00:26:51,793
Speaker 5: and people are going to sort of line up. I

585
00:26:51,833 --> 00:26:54,154
Speaker 5: did think that My one takeaway from both of the

586
00:26:54,234 --> 00:26:56,434
Speaker 5: stories that I thought was interesting was the amount of

587
00:26:56,474 --> 00:26:59,513
Speaker 5: people and because I assumed that there's a lot of

588
00:26:59,714 --> 00:27:02,994
Speaker 5: anonymous players involved in these quotes. Yes, for sure. The

589
00:27:03,033 --> 00:27:06,553
Speaker 5: amount of times that someone said our roster was among,

590
00:27:06,634 --> 00:27:09,433
Speaker 5: if not the worst, you know, among the worst in

591
00:27:09,474 --> 00:27:12,634
Speaker 5: the league. And I always assume that players are involved

592
00:27:12,634 --> 00:27:16,553
Speaker 5: in these, you know, anonymous quotes. So I thought that

593
00:27:16,553 --> 00:27:20,153
Speaker 5: that was sort of telling that there wasn't just pointing

594
00:27:20,194 --> 00:27:23,794
Speaker 5: fingers at the lack of organization, the lack of structure,

595
00:27:23,793 --> 00:27:27,073
Speaker 5: the lack of discipline. Is they're all knew we weren't.

596
00:27:27,114 --> 00:27:28,273
Speaker 5: We also weren't good enough.

597
00:27:28,793 --> 00:27:30,354
Speaker 4: It's got to come from the veterans, to the guys

598
00:27:30,353 --> 00:27:32,553
Speaker 4: who've been around, who have been on talented teams. It's not,

599
00:27:32,914 --> 00:27:34,673
Speaker 4: you know, coming from Jalen Polk telling you we're not

600
00:27:34,714 --> 00:27:35,274
Speaker 4: talented enough.

601
00:27:35,593 --> 00:27:37,513
Speaker 5: One of the you know, it just sort of like

602
00:27:37,553 --> 00:27:39,313
Speaker 5: you don't know what you don't know, Like that that

603
00:27:39,513 --> 00:27:42,553
Speaker 5: anecdote that was in the Herald, one about jayvon Baker,

604
00:27:43,434 --> 00:27:45,313
Speaker 5: who you know, we all kind of thought that something

605
00:27:45,353 --> 00:27:48,234
Speaker 5: probably happened in London right off the field, and they

606
00:27:48,273 --> 00:27:50,793
Speaker 5: said indeed that was the case. He was like he

607
00:27:50,874 --> 00:27:52,513
Speaker 5: miss Curfey or something. You got back late.

608
00:27:52,513 --> 00:27:55,674
Speaker 3: You understand he was trying, yeah, but what does that mean?

609
00:27:56,033 --> 00:27:58,194
Speaker 5: But he thought that that was meant to why are

610
00:27:58,234 --> 00:28:00,153
Speaker 5: you why are you benching me? I tried to be

611
00:28:00,234 --> 00:28:02,033
Speaker 5: here and try to be here, like just like you

612
00:28:02,033 --> 00:28:03,034
Speaker 5: don't know what you don't know?

613
00:28:03,474 --> 00:28:03,673
Speaker 3: You know?

614
00:28:03,754 --> 00:28:07,353
Speaker 5: That to me illustrated the younger problem. You're right, right,

615
00:28:07,474 --> 00:28:09,354
Speaker 5: Like the quotes from the people who say we weren't

616
00:28:09,353 --> 00:28:11,994
Speaker 5: good enough, those are probably veterans who are good enough.

617
00:28:11,994 --> 00:28:15,033
Speaker 4: Like Jonathan Gotch, like the older guys who've been around

618
00:28:15,033 --> 00:28:15,433
Speaker 4: a little bit.

619
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Speaker 6: Yeah, there was one quote in there that the Herald

620
00:28:18,313 --> 00:28:22,513
Speaker 6: piece where they said he kept on Mayo kept on

621
00:28:22,593 --> 00:28:25,073
Speaker 6: referencing a north star, but then.

622
00:28:24,954 --> 00:28:27,073
Speaker 5: Could it is?

623
00:28:28,674 --> 00:28:31,434
Speaker 6: And that to me summed it up perfectly. I was like,

624
00:28:31,754 --> 00:28:34,954
Speaker 6: here's a guy that just really didn't have a vision

625
00:28:35,154 --> 00:28:37,513
Speaker 6: and couldn't Maybe he did have a vision, but he

626
00:28:37,513 --> 00:28:41,953
Speaker 6: couldn't articulate that vision to the people below him and

627
00:28:41,994 --> 00:28:45,354
Speaker 6: so everybody. He was just talking in these like you know,

628
00:28:45,634 --> 00:28:46,874
Speaker 6: corporate leadership.

629
00:28:46,634 --> 00:28:49,354
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, say it's corporate mumbo jumbo as opposed to

630
00:28:49,514 --> 00:28:51,034
Speaker 5: practical leadership, right.

631
00:28:50,954 --> 00:28:54,034
Speaker 6: Like we're all trying to point towards the north star. Well,

632
00:28:54,034 --> 00:28:56,834
Speaker 6: what's the north star? Girodd It's the north star?

633
00:28:56,994 --> 00:28:59,913
Speaker 3: You know, Like right, I think I think everyone's supposed

634
00:28:59,954 --> 00:29:02,873
Speaker 3: to have their own north star what guides you? You know?

635
00:29:03,594 --> 00:29:05,834
Speaker 5: But but shouldn't you have a shared vision of where

636
00:29:05,874 --> 00:29:07,514
Speaker 5: you want to be? Like, do you think that there

637
00:29:07,554 --> 00:29:11,393
Speaker 5: was any ambiguity as to the goal? Exactly what the

638
00:29:11,394 --> 00:29:13,354
Speaker 5: goal was when Tom Brady was the QUARTERBA we want

639
00:29:13,354 --> 00:29:15,234
Speaker 5: to win. We're going to win Super Bowl? Like that's

640
00:29:15,234 --> 00:29:17,554
Speaker 5: our goal, that's the north star, right, and like here

641
00:29:17,594 --> 00:29:20,274
Speaker 5: I'm not really sure everybody knew exactly what their.

642
00:29:20,154 --> 00:29:24,074
Speaker 3: Goal was, right, And there's no shortcuts to that, all right?

643
00:29:24,634 --> 00:29:27,673
Speaker 3: Eight five five past five hundred is the TPX Hotline

644
00:29:28,114 --> 00:29:31,274
Speaker 3: podcasts at Patriots dot com is the email address. We

645
00:29:31,314 --> 00:29:34,114
Speaker 3: need to hurry because even though the Patriots season is done,

646
00:29:34,154 --> 00:29:37,474
Speaker 3: the picks must go on. So later on we'll be

647
00:29:37,514 --> 00:29:39,634
Speaker 3: doing our wild Card weekend pick.

648
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Speaker 4: Yeah, special guest Alex will join.

649
00:29:41,514 --> 00:29:44,834
Speaker 3: Us Saturday and Sunday, and then tonight and tomorrow we

650
00:29:44,874 --> 00:29:46,794
Speaker 3: have the college playoffs. So that's pretty cool.

651
00:29:46,874 --> 00:29:48,794
Speaker 5: I'm excited to put those games too.

652
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Speaker 4: I got some heavy thoughts on those, so I'd love

653
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Speaker 4: to pick them.

654
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Speaker 3: Pick those games.

655
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Speaker 6: We can pick them, but just for fun.

656
00:29:56,194 --> 00:29:57,914
Speaker 3: Yeah, it'll be fun. Let's pick those games too.

657
00:29:57,954 --> 00:29:58,514
Speaker 4: What do we got tonight?

658
00:29:58,554 --> 00:30:00,234
Speaker 6: Who we got to maybe I'll give you some draft

659
00:30:00,234 --> 00:30:04,434
Speaker 6: prospects to Penn State. I don't know if Abdul Carter

660
00:30:04,514 --> 00:30:07,914
Speaker 6: is gonna plays not hurt in the quarterfinal, right, And

661
00:30:08,154 --> 00:30:10,714
Speaker 6: that was a bummer because I was watching the quarterfinal

662
00:30:10,714 --> 00:30:12,594
Speaker 6: game when he got hurt, and I was like, I

663
00:30:12,634 --> 00:30:13,754
Speaker 6: don't need to watch this anymore.

664
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Speaker 5: He's got the juice.

665
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Speaker 4: He's got the juice.

666
00:30:17,114 --> 00:30:19,714
Speaker 3: Oh you got that tight end from Penn State. Yeah,

667
00:30:19,754 --> 00:30:21,194
Speaker 3: he's pretty good. He doesn't move me.

668
00:30:22,234 --> 00:30:23,194
Speaker 4: Really, he's good.

669
00:30:23,314 --> 00:30:27,354
Speaker 5: Tyler Warren, he's good tight end class. It is the

670
00:30:27,434 --> 00:30:30,554
Speaker 5: kid from Vanderbilt I really liked. There's a kid from

671
00:30:30,554 --> 00:30:34,954
Speaker 5: Bowling Green actually got the award. Maki, Yeah, who I

672
00:30:34,994 --> 00:30:36,873
Speaker 5: only saw. I only saw him play once though. I

673
00:30:36,914 --> 00:30:39,114
Speaker 5: don't know as much about him. But the kid from

674
00:30:39,154 --> 00:30:40,474
Speaker 5: Vanderbilt I've seen a few times.

675
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Speaker 4: He's pretty good.

676
00:30:42,114 --> 00:30:45,234
Speaker 3: All right, let's get to the phone calls, the TPX outline.

677
00:30:45,314 --> 00:30:48,633
Speaker 3: We'll start in Pennsylvania. Ryan, what's up? Ryan?

678
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Speaker 8: Hey?

679
00:30:50,594 --> 00:30:51,994
Speaker 3: How you doing?

680
00:30:53,674 --> 00:30:53,914
Speaker 9: Hey?

681
00:30:53,954 --> 00:30:56,074
Speaker 10: I got a two questions for you. The first one's

682
00:30:56,114 --> 00:31:03,034
Speaker 10: the hypothetical. I know, Paul, so would you rather run

683
00:31:03,034 --> 00:31:07,034
Speaker 10: it back with the same regime? You know, Mayo's your coach?

684
00:31:07,634 --> 00:31:10,994
Speaker 10: A v P Covington or would you rather have Rabel

685
00:31:11,194 --> 00:31:13,634
Speaker 10: as your head coach and not Patricia as.

686
00:31:13,554 --> 00:31:21,674
Speaker 4: Your probably be b B options.

687
00:31:22,034 --> 00:31:27,713
Speaker 3: Yeah, thought with the you know you need, you need

688
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Speaker 3: the leadership.

689
00:31:30,634 --> 00:31:33,754
Speaker 10: Okay, okay, I'm you know, Fred, I know you still

690
00:31:33,754 --> 00:31:35,794
Speaker 10: are thankful for Matt Thatcher says doing.

691
00:31:35,554 --> 00:31:41,594
Speaker 3: His best, but listen, I am him, thanks proud of him.

692
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Speaker 10: And my second question is sort of off topic here.

693
00:31:44,754 --> 00:31:48,873
Speaker 10: There's been a video circulating of I think it's Jared

694
00:31:48,914 --> 00:31:52,754
Speaker 10: goff Lions play in Seattle where he does a fake

695
00:31:52,834 --> 00:31:56,474
Speaker 10: handoff and he fakes the handoff or he hands it off,

696
00:31:56,594 --> 00:31:58,994
Speaker 10: or he hands it off and fakes that he's still passing,

697
00:31:59,434 --> 00:32:02,393
Speaker 10: and he fakes so well that he gets mirrored, he

698
00:32:02,474 --> 00:32:06,474
Speaker 10: gets backed big time and they throw the uh ruughing

699
00:32:06,474 --> 00:32:09,554
Speaker 10: the passer flat. I just wanted you guys opinion on

700
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Speaker 10: that if you're if you're faking that, you still have

701
00:32:11,514 --> 00:32:14,274
Speaker 10: the ball. I don't think that should be a fifteen

702
00:32:14,354 --> 00:32:17,153
Speaker 10: yard tunnelty when you when you fake the handoff and

703
00:32:17,194 --> 00:32:19,074
Speaker 10: you know the running back gets hit, there's.

704
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Speaker 3: No for that.

705
00:32:20,594 --> 00:32:22,914
Speaker 5: What do you guys have thought? I need to see

706
00:32:22,914 --> 00:32:25,193
Speaker 5: the hit, So yeah, I agree with his premise.

707
00:32:25,394 --> 00:32:27,673
Speaker 3: Yeah I do too, if he just followed out.

708
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Speaker 5: A fake and was a routine hit and they only

709
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Speaker 5: penalized him because he hit the quarterback, I agree with him. Yeah,

710
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Speaker 5: my guess is that the hit was I.

711
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Speaker 3: Think it depends on how many steps has taken, what

712
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Speaker 3: he hits some blind.

713
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Speaker 5: Side, but how much after the fake?

714
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Speaker 10: Well, it's I would say it's second second and a half,

715
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Speaker 10: two seconds something like that. He felt he felt it, well,

716
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Speaker 10: I mean we What I'm wondering is that linebackers are

717
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Speaker 10: ed rushers. Do we have to like walk around the

718
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Speaker 10: other side of the quarterback to make sure they still

719
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Speaker 10: off the ball first before we.

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Speaker 5: Hit No's But you should yes. The answer to that

721
00:33:01,274 --> 00:33:03,154
Speaker 5: is yes, you should know if the quarterback is throwing

722
00:33:03,154 --> 00:33:06,234
Speaker 5: the ball. That's part of roughing the passer. You can't

723
00:33:06,274 --> 00:33:08,633
Speaker 5: hit him late. That's that's part of it. Now, on

724
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Speaker 5: the surface, the way you're describing it, I agree with you.

725
00:33:11,954 --> 00:33:13,554
Speaker 5: Like it sounds like he just had a good fake

726
00:33:13,634 --> 00:33:15,913
Speaker 5: and the guy didn't realize he he didn't have the ball.

727
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Speaker 10: The reason it looks sogregious. It looks egregious is because

728
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Speaker 10: the defensive player then goes and starts celebrating while the

729
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Speaker 10: play is still developing behind him because he thinks he

730
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Speaker 10: got the sack.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. On the surface, I agree

732
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Speaker 5: with you shouldn't be a penalty.

733
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Speaker 3: Well thanks for the carrying. Yeah yeah, okay, thanks.

734
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Speaker 5: I look for that. Should look for that. So like

735
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Speaker 5: so like an option, email a clip to to Matt

736
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Speaker 5: and he maybe he can play it.

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Speaker 3: So like in an option run, sometimes you see the

738
00:33:42,194 --> 00:33:46,394
Speaker 3: quarterback like kind of follow the running back the mesh, right.

739
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Speaker 5: If someone mesh and if someone comes in and tackles

740
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Speaker 5: the quarterback, that's not a penalty.

741
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Speaker 3: I don't think it should be.

742
00:33:50,514 --> 00:33:51,794
Speaker 5: It's not I've seen it.

743
00:33:52,034 --> 00:33:54,554
Speaker 6: Maybe maybe it was helmet to helmet or that's why

744
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Speaker 6: I need too hard.

745
00:33:56,834 --> 00:33:59,354
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know dotty Wait, I was gonna say, did

746
00:33:59,354 --> 00:34:00,554
Speaker 5: he land on? Did he burp them?

747
00:34:00,634 --> 00:34:00,874
Speaker 6: Yeah?

748
00:34:00,994 --> 00:34:03,153
Speaker 3: And I've heard the coaches say, listen, if they're going

749
00:34:03,194 --> 00:34:06,074
Speaker 3: to run that, make the quarterback pay. Treat him like

750
00:34:06,114 --> 00:34:08,354
Speaker 3: a runner. You know, that's what they want you to think,

751
00:34:08,354 --> 00:34:09,393
Speaker 3: that he's a runner.

752
00:34:09,114 --> 00:34:10,914
Speaker 5: That goes back to you know, I know it's a

753
00:34:10,994 --> 00:34:12,154
Speaker 5: much different game now, but.

754
00:34:12,874 --> 00:34:14,034
Speaker 3: Kill the head for how.

755
00:34:17,074 --> 00:34:19,594
Speaker 5: For? How long do you know? You can't run a

756
00:34:19,594 --> 00:34:21,834
Speaker 5: triple option in the NFL because you can't expose your

757
00:34:21,874 --> 00:34:24,474
Speaker 5: quarterback to that amount of hits. Right in the in

758
00:34:24,514 --> 00:34:26,714
Speaker 5: the old college game, the old Big Eight days with

759
00:34:26,794 --> 00:34:30,993
Speaker 5: Oklahoma and Nebraska, they're running triple out. They go through

760
00:34:30,994 --> 00:34:35,274
Speaker 5: three quarterbacks because they didn't killed, you know, even when

761
00:34:35,314 --> 00:34:35,953
Speaker 5: they didn't run.

762
00:34:35,913 --> 00:34:40,554
Speaker 4: The ball, like Eric Crouch, Scott Frost, Yes, Scott Frost.

763
00:34:41,034 --> 00:34:42,674
Speaker 3: Calvin's in Florida, Hey.

764
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Speaker 5: Calvin, Jamil Holloway from Oklahoma.

765
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Speaker 11: Hey, guys, how you doing?

766
00:34:46,274 --> 00:34:48,314
Speaker 5: Hey? You know that, don't shake your head.

767
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Speaker 11: So, in my opinion, I feel like we should target

768
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Speaker 11: Tetro McMillan with the number four pick, assuming see Higgins

769
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Speaker 11: doesn't come to New England.

770
00:34:56,194 --> 00:34:56,834
Speaker 5: What if he does.

771
00:34:56,994 --> 00:34:59,194
Speaker 11: Want to know what you guys think about?

772
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Speaker 5: Take them both.

773
00:35:00,354 --> 00:35:03,754
Speaker 11: Some of these players that aren't playing because they're injured,

774
00:35:03,794 --> 00:35:06,194
Speaker 11: like the tackle from Ohio State. Do you think the

775
00:35:06,234 --> 00:35:09,714
Speaker 11: Patriots would be willing to trade back up and take

776
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Speaker 11: a risk on someone that didn't play this year?

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Speaker 3: This is the kid that had the A c L.

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Speaker 6: Yes, Josh Simmons from We talked about him a little

779
00:35:15,953 --> 00:35:17,834
Speaker 6: bit last week Tuesday or whatever.

780
00:35:19,674 --> 00:35:19,873
Speaker 5: Yeah.

781
00:35:19,913 --> 00:35:22,433
Speaker 4: I mean you feel like they need immediate help and

782
00:35:22,473 --> 00:35:24,113
Speaker 4: they need tackles, and you can't go in the next

783
00:35:24,194 --> 00:35:26,274
Speaker 4: year saying we got a rookie tackle and he's probably

784
00:35:26,314 --> 00:35:27,794
Speaker 4: not gonna play this year. But at the same time,

785
00:35:27,834 --> 00:35:30,194
Speaker 4: you know they're far away and there has to be

786
00:35:30,194 --> 00:35:34,393
Speaker 4: some degree of patience in between. In the second round.

787
00:35:35,074 --> 00:35:38,513
Speaker 6: Yeah, Josh Simmons is like to deuce his point if

788
00:35:38,514 --> 00:35:41,434
Speaker 6: they signed Cam Robinson in free agency and they had

789
00:35:41,873 --> 00:35:44,953
Speaker 6: a starting left tackle on the roster, not chokes the

790
00:35:45,034 --> 00:35:47,994
Speaker 6: corps for like a starting left tackle on the roster.

791
00:35:48,554 --> 00:35:50,594
Speaker 6: You can take your chance on Josh Simmons in the

792
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Speaker 6: second round and hope that it hits and then in

793
00:35:53,834 --> 00:35:56,634
Speaker 6: a year or two he's playing tackle for you, you know,

794
00:35:56,873 --> 00:35:59,673
Speaker 6: but you can't. That can't be your only plan.

795
00:35:59,834 --> 00:36:02,154
Speaker 3: Yeah, that that's a thanks Calvin's a good way to

796
00:36:02,154 --> 00:36:02,433
Speaker 3: put it.

797
00:36:02,554 --> 00:36:06,794
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. I McMillan, no question. Yeah, I

798
00:36:07,154 --> 00:36:09,073
Speaker 4: wouldn't rule him out. I mean he's not like I'm

799
00:36:09,074 --> 00:36:11,034
Speaker 4: not in love with him, but I see it and

800
00:36:11,074 --> 00:36:14,154
Speaker 4: I'm not usually the big, tall, you know, contested receiver

801
00:36:14,234 --> 00:36:16,754
Speaker 4: kind of guy. I mean, he's he's got really good skill.

802
00:36:16,834 --> 00:36:18,674
Speaker 4: It's just I mean I said it before, I want

803
00:36:18,714 --> 00:36:20,473
Speaker 4: speed on this team. I think that's what this team needs.

804
00:36:20,473 --> 00:36:23,114
Speaker 4: A speed and to push the push the envelope, and

805
00:36:23,594 --> 00:36:25,714
Speaker 4: you know, thinking if Verbe could find another A J.

806
00:36:25,794 --> 00:36:30,194
Speaker 6: Brown, if it was Leah. I mean, he's a really

807
00:36:30,274 --> 00:36:33,194
Speaker 6: fluid guy. Tepic Millan, I mean he does. He moves

808
00:36:33,554 --> 00:36:37,154
Speaker 6: like a much smaller receiver for his size. But I

809
00:36:37,314 --> 00:36:40,154
Speaker 6: just worry about the fact that if you put him

810
00:36:40,194 --> 00:36:42,074
Speaker 6: in a good wide receiver class, like where are we

811
00:36:42,114 --> 00:36:44,834
Speaker 6: really talking about him getting drafted? And now you're going

812
00:36:44,873 --> 00:36:47,513
Speaker 6: to draft him at four overall when last year I

813
00:36:47,554 --> 00:36:49,473
Speaker 6: think he probably is like the fourth or fifth wide

814
00:36:49,514 --> 00:36:51,993
Speaker 6: receiver taking off the board. I don't want to do that.

815
00:36:52,074 --> 00:36:54,074
Speaker 6: I don't want I want to take the most talented

816
00:36:54,074 --> 00:36:57,074
Speaker 6: player at that position and not get desperate for the receiver.

817
00:36:57,194 --> 00:36:59,354
Speaker 5: Yeah, but where do you think because I think a

818
00:36:59,354 --> 00:37:02,754
Speaker 5: lot of it is similar with those two tackles. Yeah,

819
00:37:02,794 --> 00:37:05,393
Speaker 5: so you know, you know, I'm not sure. I don't know.

820
00:37:05,554 --> 00:37:07,274
Speaker 5: I'm not an expert in this stuff, but it doesn't

821
00:37:07,314 --> 00:37:10,634
Speaker 5: sound like Banks or Campbell would be considered better than

822
00:37:10,714 --> 00:37:12,154
Speaker 5: Alt or Fashion.

823
00:37:12,473 --> 00:37:12,673
Speaker 3: Yeah.

824
00:37:12,754 --> 00:37:14,554
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think they would be in the same tier

825
00:37:14,594 --> 00:37:19,433
Speaker 6: as US fash You'll see what what Campbell measures out like.

826
00:37:19,514 --> 00:37:22,154
Speaker 6: But in terms of talent, I would say those guys

827
00:37:22,194 --> 00:37:23,794
Speaker 6: are in that tier. They're just not in the Joe

828
00:37:23,834 --> 00:37:26,714
Speaker 6: All tier. They're not in the you know, automatic blue

829
00:37:26,754 --> 00:37:31,394
Speaker 6: chip tier, but there they would be probably in most drafts,

830
00:37:31,473 --> 00:37:33,553
Speaker 6: drafted in you know, at least the back end of

831
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Speaker 6: the top ten, you know, high high teams, something like that.

832
00:37:37,354 --> 00:37:41,314
Speaker 3: Dominicks in New York, Kate Dominic, Hey, guys.

833
00:37:41,074 --> 00:37:42,153
Speaker 12: How y'all doing all right?

834
00:37:43,473 --> 00:37:43,794
Speaker 3: Yeah?

835
00:37:43,834 --> 00:37:46,434
Speaker 12: So I was curious about, like I guess, Mike Brabel

836
00:37:46,473 --> 00:37:50,114
Speaker 12: and sort of the offensive coordinated talk. It's kind of interesting.

837
00:37:50,154 --> 00:37:52,514
Speaker 12: I think the years that he would with the Titans,

838
00:37:52,514 --> 00:37:55,473
Speaker 12: he had Matt Leffler and Arthur Smith, and the team

839
00:37:55,514 --> 00:37:58,194
Speaker 12: had found great success, especially when Arthur Smith was there.

840
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Speaker 12: So I'm like wondering in the back of my head,

841
00:38:00,794 --> 00:38:02,154
Speaker 12: is Mike be able to kind of got with his

842
00:38:02,314 --> 00:38:05,073
Speaker 12: organizational skills you can kind of he cannot. I don't

843
00:38:05,074 --> 00:38:06,953
Speaker 12: know if it's identified the talent, but he's able to

844
00:38:06,953 --> 00:38:08,993
Speaker 12: make the right connections, find the right fit, to find

845
00:38:08,994 --> 00:38:10,673
Speaker 12: the right you know, oc to be able to actually

846
00:38:10,754 --> 00:38:13,634
Speaker 12: run this team because he's had success with somebody who's

847
00:38:13,674 --> 00:38:15,994
Speaker 12: struggling now with the Steelers, who would struggle as a

848
00:38:15,634 --> 00:38:19,194
Speaker 12: head coach with the Falcons. So I'm wondering maybe he

849
00:38:19,274 --> 00:38:21,393
Speaker 12: is just someone like even a Nick Katy that you

850
00:38:21,393 --> 00:38:23,314
Speaker 12: could bring. I know we talked about him as a

851
00:38:23,354 --> 00:38:26,594
Speaker 12: head coach candidate last Glass cycle. Could you have a

852
00:38:26,634 --> 00:38:28,873
Speaker 12: connection to bring him in and unblooked him, Like, do

853
00:38:28,953 --> 00:38:32,433
Speaker 12: you prefer someone with more of a veteran experiences offensive

854
00:38:32,433 --> 00:38:34,834
Speaker 12: coordinator for bringing Mike Rabel or do you believe in

855
00:38:34,873 --> 00:38:36,873
Speaker 12: Brabel to bring someone young and kind of coach him

856
00:38:36,953 --> 00:38:38,554
Speaker 12: up and give him the motivation and the freedom to

857
00:38:38,594 --> 00:38:39,274
Speaker 12: be able to call play.

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00:38:40,754 --> 00:38:42,154
Speaker 3: Okay, thanks Dominic.

859
00:38:42,234 --> 00:38:42,834
Speaker 4: It's a good question.

860
00:38:42,834 --> 00:38:43,794
Speaker 3: What's Nick Kaylee doing.

861
00:38:45,594 --> 00:38:49,074
Speaker 6: He's doing. Yeah, he's with the Rams still passing passing

862
00:38:49,074 --> 00:38:51,834
Speaker 6: game coordinator. Now he got promoted with the Rams and

863
00:38:52,234 --> 00:38:54,473
Speaker 6: you know, but the bigger problem with him to me,

864
00:38:54,554 --> 00:38:56,834
Speaker 6: with Nick Kayley is he's never called plays before. You know,

865
00:38:56,834 --> 00:38:58,873
Speaker 6: at least some of these other guys that we're talking about.

866
00:38:58,913 --> 00:39:01,274
Speaker 6: You know, Tommy Reese for example, call plays at the

867
00:39:01,274 --> 00:39:04,234
Speaker 6: college level and at Notre Dame in Alabama. So even

868
00:39:04,274 --> 00:39:07,153
Speaker 6: though it's a different level, at least he's he's done

869
00:39:07,194 --> 00:39:09,234
Speaker 6: it before. He knows the flow of it and he

870
00:39:09,314 --> 00:39:12,194
Speaker 6: knows the type of thing that goes into it. But

871
00:39:12,634 --> 00:39:15,114
Speaker 6: in terms of what the caller asks like I I

872
00:39:15,154 --> 00:39:19,393
Speaker 6: would prefer Rabel to to go younger and try to

873
00:39:19,433 --> 00:39:22,073
Speaker 6: develop the next guy, Like try to bring in then

874
00:39:22,354 --> 00:39:24,913
Speaker 6: the next Ben Johnson, the next Joe Brady, you know,

875
00:39:24,913 --> 00:39:27,953
Speaker 6: the next uh, you know, Liam Cohane, Like don't you

876
00:39:28,154 --> 00:39:30,913
Speaker 6: have the experience to run the ship? Like we're not

877
00:39:30,994 --> 00:39:33,473
Speaker 6: worried about that, you know, you want somebody that's a

878
00:39:33,514 --> 00:39:36,714
Speaker 6: little bit more innovative, a little bit fresher. So Tommy Reese,

879
00:39:36,794 --> 00:39:39,554
Speaker 6: Josh McCown, you know, one of those types of people.

880
00:39:39,393 --> 00:39:41,754
Speaker 5: Josh mccon starting to get some some play too. What

881
00:39:41,913 --> 00:39:43,634
Speaker 5: I'd be interested in. And I don't know the answer

882
00:39:43,634 --> 00:39:48,194
Speaker 5: to this is what led Mike Rabel to get the

883
00:39:48,314 --> 00:39:51,154
Speaker 5: flooring and Arthur Smith from the first place, Like, how

884
00:39:51,154 --> 00:39:54,393
Speaker 5: did that come about? Was that because of the Titans organization?

885
00:39:54,473 --> 00:39:57,714
Speaker 5: Was that John Robinson we have some connections. Did Mike

886
00:39:57,834 --> 00:40:00,274
Speaker 5: have a wider network because he did spend some time

887
00:40:00,634 --> 00:40:03,154
Speaker 5: both in the college game in in Houston, Like, I

888
00:40:03,194 --> 00:40:03,633
Speaker 5: don't know.

889
00:40:04,194 --> 00:40:05,834
Speaker 4: Go from Washington? I was just thinking the same thing,

890
00:40:05,834 --> 00:40:09,993
Speaker 4: but did go from Washington to Tennessee? So yeah, that's

891
00:40:09,994 --> 00:40:11,274
Speaker 4: a great question. I don't know the answer that.

892
00:40:12,794 --> 00:40:14,594
Speaker 6: Arthur Smith, I want to say was on a staff

893
00:40:14,634 --> 00:40:14,873
Speaker 6: with him.

894
00:40:14,953 --> 00:40:16,393
Speaker 4: Think he was like the tight ends coaches.

895
00:40:16,354 --> 00:40:19,754
Speaker 6: Somewhere, maybe in Houston or something. I don't know that

896
00:40:20,034 --> 00:40:21,953
Speaker 6: I could be wrong. I tried to go down this

897
00:40:22,034 --> 00:40:24,513
Speaker 6: rabbit hole last night to try to figure out all

898
00:40:24,554 --> 00:40:28,394
Speaker 6: of his coaching connections, and I don't remember exactly about

899
00:40:28,433 --> 00:40:30,954
Speaker 6: those two, but it's a good point. He has found

900
00:40:30,994 --> 00:40:33,834
Speaker 6: good coordinators in Tennessee till the end. You know, Tim

901
00:40:33,913 --> 00:40:36,513
Speaker 6: Kelly and Todd Downing didn't exactly work out.

902
00:40:36,634 --> 00:40:39,354
Speaker 5: And Todd Downing's problem was more off field too, He

903
00:40:39,393 --> 00:40:40,314
Speaker 5: had some issues there.

904
00:40:40,433 --> 00:40:44,034
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then obviously the quarterback played the decline. You know,

905
00:40:44,114 --> 00:40:47,314
Speaker 6: Ryan Tannehill hit a wall and that contributed.

906
00:40:46,754 --> 00:40:49,473
Speaker 3: To Ben and Hershey Pennsylvania writes, and we were talking

907
00:40:49,473 --> 00:40:52,354
Speaker 3: about the football z are, and he says, is it

908
00:40:52,393 --> 00:40:55,234
Speaker 3: possible that the team already has its football ZAR And

909
00:40:55,274 --> 00:40:58,513
Speaker 3: he has TSAR in Elliott Wolfe, who will serve as

910
00:40:58,554 --> 00:41:01,194
Speaker 3: football overlord while a new head coach will have the

911
00:41:01,234 --> 00:41:04,593
Speaker 3: autonomy to select the team's general manager. Both head coach

912
00:41:04,714 --> 00:41:09,434
Speaker 3: and GM would report directly to wolf Historically, in EVP,

913
00:41:09,754 --> 00:41:13,033
Speaker 3: title has represented a higher level role than GM in

914
00:41:13,074 --> 00:41:17,354
Speaker 3: football operations, and he gives examples in twenty fourteen, the

915
00:41:17,433 --> 00:41:21,194
Speaker 3: Dolphins brought in Tannenbaump to oversee the entire operation as EVP,

916
00:41:21,714 --> 00:41:25,874
Speaker 3: while Dennis Hickey served as GM. The Commanders a similar

917
00:41:25,873 --> 00:41:28,834
Speaker 3: structure from twenty twenty one to twenty twenty three, with

918
00:41:28,994 --> 00:41:34,194
Speaker 3: Marty Hernie EVP of personnel and Martin Mayhew GM. The

919
00:41:34,274 --> 00:41:38,634
Speaker 3: Broncos staff both John Elway EVP and Matt Russell GM,

920
00:41:38,873 --> 00:41:43,234
Speaker 3: and later George Peyton as GM. In twenty thirteen, the

921
00:41:43,314 --> 00:41:47,034
Speaker 3: Jaguars gave Tom Kaughlin the title of EVP and GM.

922
00:41:47,154 --> 00:41:50,873
Speaker 3: Dave Calwell managed day to day player personnel decisions, and

923
00:41:50,913 --> 00:41:55,194
Speaker 3: in fifteen Rich McKay was EVP of football for the

924
00:41:55,234 --> 00:41:58,154
Speaker 3: Falcons and Tom Dimatroff was their GM.

925
00:41:58,274 --> 00:42:00,594
Speaker 6: Yeah, Rich McKay is still there with the Falcons. It's

926
00:42:00,634 --> 00:42:04,194
Speaker 6: a good point. But the guys that you name, for

927
00:42:04,234 --> 00:42:08,834
Speaker 6: the most part, have a level of expertise in a

928
00:42:08,834 --> 00:42:10,993
Speaker 6: lot of ways that I don't think pretty much.

929
00:42:10,994 --> 00:42:12,754
Speaker 5: All those examples are disasters by the.

930
00:42:12,714 --> 00:42:16,074
Speaker 6: Way, that don't fit Elliott right, like Elliott Wolf. To me,

931
00:42:16,994 --> 00:42:18,634
Speaker 6: it should be if you're going to keep him on

932
00:42:18,674 --> 00:42:21,873
Speaker 6: as an executive, like he's the personnel guy. He's not

933
00:42:21,994 --> 00:42:25,594
Speaker 6: the bizarre, he's not the overseer. Like, the best example

934
00:42:25,634 --> 00:42:27,794
Speaker 6: of it working, I think in this way is John

935
00:42:27,873 --> 00:42:31,234
Speaker 6: Lynch with San Francisco. And John Lynch is sort of

936
00:42:31,314 --> 00:42:34,553
Speaker 6: like the tone setter to the organization, right, He's an

937
00:42:34,554 --> 00:42:37,593
Speaker 6: intense guy. He brings a lot of energy, he brings

938
00:42:37,634 --> 00:42:40,354
Speaker 6: a lot of leadership qualities. The guy that's picking the

939
00:42:40,354 --> 00:42:43,153
Speaker 6: players is Kyle Shanahan, right, Kyle Shanahan is the one

940
00:42:43,194 --> 00:42:46,913
Speaker 6: that's grinding the tape. John Lynch is not in his office,

941
00:42:47,074 --> 00:42:50,194
Speaker 6: but the computer screens up watching you know, the bowling

942
00:42:50,234 --> 00:42:51,913
Speaker 6: green tight end and saying we should draft this.

943
00:42:51,994 --> 00:42:54,433
Speaker 5: So that to me is the two different things. And

944
00:42:54,714 --> 00:42:56,673
Speaker 5: I know a lot of people are like, well, there's

945
00:42:56,714 --> 00:42:58,513
Speaker 5: a lot of teams and it's almost all of them

946
00:42:58,514 --> 00:43:00,594
Speaker 5: they have the GM and the coach is under the GM.

947
00:43:00,714 --> 00:43:05,194
Speaker 5: But like, to me, the best situations are where the

948
00:43:05,314 --> 00:43:09,873
Speaker 5: coach might not have final say in every single personnel

949
00:43:09,953 --> 00:43:12,274
Speaker 5: move that they make, like the one that Evan just mentioned,

950
00:43:13,034 --> 00:43:15,834
Speaker 5: but the coach is kind of in charge. You know,

951
00:43:16,074 --> 00:43:20,953
Speaker 5: Andy Reid is not having Brett Veach like force feed

952
00:43:21,034 --> 00:43:25,073
Speaker 5: him every He's not saying no, no, no, You're not going

953
00:43:25,114 --> 00:43:27,193
Speaker 5: to keep that guy in your fifty three man roster.

954
00:43:27,234 --> 00:43:29,394
Speaker 5: You're going to keep this guy that's not now. Veach

955
00:43:29,473 --> 00:43:31,713
Speaker 5: is out there getting the players Andy reads, not as

956
00:43:31,834 --> 00:43:35,393
Speaker 5: Evans says, minding the tape for every single personnel guy

957
00:43:35,433 --> 00:43:38,073
Speaker 5: that they move, that they make. I think those are

958
00:43:38,114 --> 00:43:40,074
Speaker 5: the best situations where you have a strong you know,

959
00:43:40,114 --> 00:43:42,354
Speaker 5: Sean McVay unless Snead work well together.

960
00:43:42,514 --> 00:43:45,714
Speaker 4: They know what each other wants and they understand. That's

961
00:43:45,754 --> 00:43:47,634
Speaker 4: that's That's what I'm not here to tell you.

962
00:43:47,754 --> 00:43:50,673
Speaker 5: I can't tell you exactly who has the final final say.

963
00:43:51,314 --> 00:43:53,433
Speaker 5: And I'm not suggesting that Mike Rabel should come here

964
00:43:53,514 --> 00:43:55,913
Speaker 5: and have carte blanche like Bill Belichick did. I'm not

965
00:43:55,953 --> 00:43:59,234
Speaker 5: telling you that that's true. But if there's something that

966
00:43:59,314 --> 00:44:02,393
Speaker 5: needs to be decided, I think I would err on

967
00:44:02,433 --> 00:44:05,114
Speaker 5: the side of the coach over an EVP.

968
00:44:06,034 --> 00:44:06,274
Speaker 3: Yeah.

969
00:44:06,354 --> 00:44:09,473
Speaker 4: So it just to be clear, is traditionally EVP is

970
00:44:09,554 --> 00:44:10,674
Speaker 4: below the GM or a.

971
00:44:12,154 --> 00:44:16,913
Speaker 5: Above above, you know, Like I just think that a

972
00:44:16,913 --> 00:44:20,314
Speaker 5: lot of those are like figurehead types, like Marty Hernie, Right,

973
00:44:21,154 --> 00:44:22,234
Speaker 5: that's a figurehead.

974
00:44:22,354 --> 00:44:23,314
Speaker 3: I don't even know he is.

975
00:44:23,554 --> 00:44:25,433
Speaker 5: He used to be in Carolina. He did actual really

976
00:44:25,433 --> 00:44:28,514
Speaker 5: good job in Carol. He was He's the old media

977
00:44:28,554 --> 00:44:31,754
Speaker 5: guy who became a GM like Dave Caldwell. You know,

978
00:44:31,873 --> 00:44:35,354
Speaker 5: Tom Coughlin is outstanding, So he was in charge kind

979
00:44:35,393 --> 00:44:38,993
Speaker 5: of like Bill Parcells was in charge of Miami Lateon's career. Like,

980
00:44:39,114 --> 00:44:40,913
Speaker 5: I don't really want to do this anymore. I just

981
00:44:40,994 --> 00:44:43,993
Speaker 5: oversee everything, you know, Like Tom Coughlin was really good

982
00:44:43,994 --> 00:44:47,594
Speaker 5: what he was. Dave Caldwell wasn't a good GM. You know,

983
00:44:47,634 --> 00:44:50,473
Speaker 5: they had some success there. You know, we saw at

984
00:44:50,554 --> 00:44:53,314
Speaker 5: firsthand when the Jags almost beat the Patriots in the

985
00:44:53,314 --> 00:44:54,234
Speaker 5: AFC title game.

986
00:44:54,714 --> 00:44:57,033
Speaker 6: Yeah, that type of guy's the bottom line.

987
00:44:57,074 --> 00:45:00,553
Speaker 3: You don't think that Elliott has the experience to be

988
00:45:00,594 --> 00:45:01,074
Speaker 3: an EVP.

989
00:45:01,433 --> 00:45:04,393
Speaker 6: I just yeah, or just like the personality, like I

990
00:45:04,473 --> 00:45:07,674
Speaker 6: think Elliott wolf Is is a scout. I think he

991
00:45:07,754 --> 00:45:10,954
Speaker 6: you know, he he's a tape grinder. He's a scout. He's,

992
00:45:10,994 --> 00:45:13,114
Speaker 6: you know, somebody that goes to all these you know,

993
00:45:13,194 --> 00:45:17,074
Speaker 6: Senior Bowl, you know, Shrine Bowl and private workouts, and

994
00:45:17,114 --> 00:45:19,794
Speaker 6: he's like in the trenches with with his guys. You know,

995
00:45:19,873 --> 00:45:23,314
Speaker 6: I don't think that that role like the Tom Coughlin

996
00:45:23,913 --> 00:45:26,314
Speaker 6: is like somebody that has been around the block a

997
00:45:26,354 --> 00:45:28,834
Speaker 6: little bit that either was a head coach or an

998
00:45:28,873 --> 00:45:30,393
Speaker 6: executive for decades.

999
00:45:30,674 --> 00:45:32,834
Speaker 5: Tom Coughlin built the Jags the first.

1000
00:45:32,554 --> 00:45:34,873
Speaker 3: Time, got them from scratch.

1001
00:45:34,913 --> 00:45:38,554
Speaker 5: But from scratch, I mean, he was in charge of everything.

1002
00:45:38,794 --> 00:45:41,513
Speaker 5: So I trust you want to give me a guy

1003
00:45:41,554 --> 00:45:44,033
Speaker 5: like Tom Coughlin, you know the you know whatever the

1004
00:45:44,034 --> 00:45:49,393
Speaker 5: current version of that is. You you know what I mean, Like,

1005
00:45:49,473 --> 00:45:51,314
Speaker 5: you want to give me a version of that, now,

1006
00:45:51,994 --> 00:45:56,953
Speaker 5: sign me up. Just looking at Matt Lafleur, he was

1007
00:45:56,953 --> 00:46:00,634
Speaker 5: in Houston, but not with my eight oh nine. He

1008
00:46:00,634 --> 00:46:04,153
Speaker 5: was an offensive assistant. Mike was still playing at that time.

1009
00:46:04,794 --> 00:46:07,433
Speaker 5: You know, he went from Atlanta as quarterbacks coach in

1010
00:46:07,473 --> 00:46:11,433
Speaker 5: fifteen sixteen to the Rams. It says offensive coordinator. My

1011
00:46:11,554 --> 00:46:14,593
Speaker 5: guess is that's Sean mcvay's first year. So he really,

1012
00:46:15,354 --> 00:46:18,354
Speaker 5: to Fred's point, was just coordinating the offense, not actually

1013
00:46:18,393 --> 00:46:22,114
Speaker 5: the offensive coordinator. And then he went to the He

1014
00:46:22,194 --> 00:46:25,433
Speaker 5: went to the Titans in eighteen and then you know,

1015
00:46:25,514 --> 00:46:28,433
Speaker 5: ended up getting his head coaching job from that one year.

1016
00:46:28,634 --> 00:46:29,994
Speaker 5: One year with the Titans.

1017
00:46:29,994 --> 00:46:30,714
Speaker 4: It's your nightmare.

1018
00:46:31,034 --> 00:46:34,073
Speaker 5: So I don't know the bottom line is, I'm with Evan.

1019
00:46:34,114 --> 00:46:36,393
Speaker 5: I don't know exactly what the connection was. Yeah, to

1020
00:46:36,433 --> 00:46:38,874
Speaker 5: get Mike Rabel in contact and at least.

1021
00:46:38,754 --> 00:46:42,114
Speaker 4: Shows that he's plugged in. He's knows, you know, Like

1022
00:46:42,154 --> 00:46:43,594
Speaker 4: I mean, if we were to hire I don't know

1023
00:46:43,754 --> 00:46:46,073
Speaker 4: the rams offensive quator right now, like you know, you'd

1024
00:46:46,114 --> 00:46:46,993
Speaker 4: feel pretty good about it.

1025
00:46:47,034 --> 00:46:48,034
Speaker 3: I mean, I would feel.

1026
00:46:47,834 --> 00:46:50,673
Speaker 5: Really good about that. If Nick Keley is that next

1027
00:46:50,714 --> 00:46:52,873
Speaker 5: guy I know that we were strongly interested in as

1028
00:46:52,873 --> 00:46:55,393
Speaker 5: OC last year, I would feel I'd feel pretty good.

1029
00:46:55,393 --> 00:46:58,314
Speaker 6: That's that's why you hire Rabel, right is because he's

1030
00:46:58,354 --> 00:47:01,033
Speaker 6: a turnkey option, Like he should have all these connections

1031
00:47:01,074 --> 00:47:03,354
Speaker 6: and he probably already has these guys lined up. But

1032
00:47:03,354 --> 00:47:05,634
Speaker 6: it doesn't seem like anybody has a great idea of

1033
00:47:05,674 --> 00:47:07,993
Speaker 6: who it is one hundred percent. But I'm sure that

1034
00:47:08,034 --> 00:47:11,033
Speaker 6: he already has a one guy or maybe you know

1035
00:47:11,034 --> 00:47:12,553
Speaker 6: two or three that on a short list.

1036
00:47:12,554 --> 00:47:14,274
Speaker 4: That's that's the most interesting thing to me about the

1037
00:47:14,274 --> 00:47:17,073
Speaker 4: Ben Johnson interview of who's he bringing with him? You know,

1038
00:47:17,114 --> 00:47:19,393
Speaker 4: like that part of the conversation to me is who

1039
00:47:19,433 --> 00:47:20,754
Speaker 4: do you have lined up? Who do you you know?

1040
00:47:20,794 --> 00:47:22,794
Speaker 4: And is it easy? Is he like this guy, this

1041
00:47:22,834 --> 00:47:24,473
Speaker 4: guy I know they'll come or is it well I'd

1042
00:47:24,514 --> 00:47:26,033
Speaker 4: like to try to get him. I'd like to try

1043
00:47:26,074 --> 00:47:27,274
Speaker 4: to get you know, like what's I.

1044
00:47:27,194 --> 00:47:29,474
Speaker 5: Think Fred asked, you know, if you could pick anybody

1045
00:47:29,514 --> 00:47:31,274
Speaker 5: who would you want. I don't have the answer because

1046
00:47:31,274 --> 00:47:32,394
Speaker 5: I need I need more.

1047
00:47:32,234 --> 00:47:34,914
Speaker 4: Information because it's gonna come with with with people.

1048
00:47:34,994 --> 00:47:38,154
Speaker 5: The idea of Ben Johnson probably intrigues me more than

1049
00:47:38,194 --> 00:47:40,433
Speaker 5: any other idea. But if you're going to tell me

1050
00:47:40,594 --> 00:47:42,873
Speaker 5: Mike Rabel is gonna come, he's going to take care

1051
00:47:42,913 --> 00:47:45,074
Speaker 5: of the defense, and he's got a really strong offense,

1052
00:47:45,274 --> 00:47:47,913
Speaker 5: even if it's Josh like a really strong offensive coordinator

1053
00:47:47,953 --> 00:47:51,274
Speaker 5: in mind, well, Ben Johnson, I don't know. We're going

1054
00:47:51,354 --> 00:47:53,194
Speaker 5: to try to cobble together a staff the way that

1055
00:47:53,274 --> 00:47:54,874
Speaker 5: Gerard Mayo had to take.

1056
00:47:55,074 --> 00:47:56,473
Speaker 4: Right, He's gonna have to poach a bunch of guys

1057
00:47:56,473 --> 00:47:58,714
Speaker 4: from the Lions. And you know who's gonna go who's not?

1058
00:47:58,913 --> 00:48:03,433
Speaker 6: Yeah, so his offensive coordinator, Ben Johnson, most people think

1059
00:48:03,473 --> 00:48:06,393
Speaker 6: is Mark Brunell, who's currently with the with the the

1060
00:48:06,433 --> 00:48:11,474
Speaker 6: Lions coming here as the quarterbacks and uh and he's

1061
00:48:11,514 --> 00:48:16,154
Speaker 6: so ed Strand right the tight ends coach Tanner Extrand.

1062
00:48:16,234 --> 00:48:18,754
Speaker 6: He's he's next in line in Detroit to take over

1063
00:48:18,873 --> 00:48:21,114
Speaker 6: for as offensive coordinator for Ben Johnson.

1064
00:48:21,234 --> 00:48:23,953
Speaker 5: So there's always was he one of the guys we

1065
00:48:23,994 --> 00:48:24,754
Speaker 5: talked to last year.

1066
00:48:24,794 --> 00:48:26,993
Speaker 6: We interviewed him last year. This is like always these

1067
00:48:27,794 --> 00:48:30,474
Speaker 6: these like unwritten rules of like you can't poach these guys,

1068
00:48:30,473 --> 00:48:33,634
Speaker 6: but you can poach those guys, right, So apparently Brunell's

1069
00:48:33,674 --> 00:48:36,113
Speaker 6: the guy that he could poach and bring with him

1070
00:48:36,114 --> 00:48:38,314
Speaker 6: to his next stop as his coordinator. Uh.

1071
00:48:38,473 --> 00:48:40,993
Speaker 5: And they can't take the succession plan, right, he can't

1072
00:48:40,994 --> 00:48:42,873
Speaker 5: take the succession plan, but maybe.

1073
00:48:42,634 --> 00:48:44,514
Speaker 3: The Patriots could take this guy Instagram.

1074
00:48:45,393 --> 00:48:48,474
Speaker 5: Uh as an I mean without as an oc, without

1075
00:48:48,473 --> 00:48:49,553
Speaker 5: Ben Johnson, you mean.

1076
00:48:50,794 --> 00:48:53,754
Speaker 3: Without Ben Johnson. Rabel comes in and takes that guy.

1077
00:48:54,114 --> 00:48:56,834
Speaker 5: But but now, now, if I'm the extrand guy, I'm like,

1078
00:48:57,274 --> 00:49:01,393
Speaker 5: why are exactly leaving the best offense and your offense?

1079
00:49:01,634 --> 00:49:04,713
Speaker 3: But it's anyway, I see what you're saying.

1080
00:49:04,834 --> 00:49:09,314
Speaker 6: Yeah. So on the defensive side, he was in Miami

1081
00:49:09,393 --> 00:49:13,393
Speaker 6: with lou Anarumo. So so Big Lu gets fired in

1082
00:49:13,473 --> 00:49:17,913
Speaker 6: Cincinnati and now he's available to come be his defensive coordinator.

1083
00:49:18,194 --> 00:49:21,754
Speaker 6: Darren Rizzy, the New Orleans Saints interim head coach, was

1084
00:49:21,953 --> 00:49:25,674
Speaker 6: in Miami with Ben Johnson as well, so staff would

1085
00:49:25,714 --> 00:49:29,433
Speaker 6: most likely be Brunell, lou Anaumo, and Rizzy as a

1086
00:49:29,473 --> 00:49:30,514
Speaker 6: special teams coordinator.

1087
00:49:30,754 --> 00:49:33,113
Speaker 5: Rizzy, by the way, has you know if you wanted

1088
00:49:33,114 --> 00:49:35,274
Speaker 5: to bring him here for a special team like he's

1089
00:49:35,634 --> 00:49:41,113
Speaker 5: played at u ur I local guy teammates with. He's

1090
00:49:41,114 --> 00:49:43,354
Speaker 5: got a lot of a lot of boxers to check though.

1091
00:49:43,433 --> 00:49:46,114
Speaker 6: Oh, actually, do you know who is the last special

1092
00:49:46,114 --> 00:49:52,674
Speaker 6: teams coordinator for Rabel and Tennessee? No, Tom Quinn, who

1093
00:49:52,754 --> 00:49:54,714
Speaker 6: is currently employed by the New England Patriots.

1094
00:49:54,873 --> 00:49:55,393
Speaker 5: I don't know who.

1095
00:49:55,393 --> 00:49:57,913
Speaker 6: Tom Quinn is our assistant special teams coordinator.

1096
00:49:57,953 --> 00:50:01,354
Speaker 4: I know Bob was also the defensive coordinator at holy

1097
00:50:01,393 --> 00:50:03,714
Speaker 4: Cross my first my freshman year there. One of his Like,

1098
00:50:03,714 --> 00:50:05,194
Speaker 4: he's a well traveled coach.

1099
00:50:05,274 --> 00:50:09,073
Speaker 6: But yeah, there's probably a decent chance that if it's

1100
00:50:09,194 --> 00:50:12,234
Speaker 6: Rabel that special teams might not be touched. It's like

1101
00:50:12,473 --> 00:50:12,834
Speaker 6: when we.

1102
00:50:12,794 --> 00:50:15,634
Speaker 5: Had Googe as the offensive line coach. Googe was a

1103
00:50:15,674 --> 00:50:17,154
Speaker 5: player at BU when I when I.

1104
00:50:17,154 --> 00:50:20,033
Speaker 4: Was really Yeah, that's funny.

1105
00:50:19,234 --> 00:50:22,274
Speaker 3: Greg and Charlotte. I'm sort of in the camp that

1106
00:50:22,393 --> 00:50:25,234
Speaker 3: I'd be happy with either Rabel or Johnson at this point,

1107
00:50:25,354 --> 00:50:27,433
Speaker 3: But I wondered what your opinion was. Do you think

1108
00:50:27,473 --> 00:50:29,594
Speaker 3: either Rabel or Johnson would be a better draw for

1109
00:50:29,994 --> 00:50:32,674
Speaker 3: free agent talent and do you think one coach or

1110
00:50:32,674 --> 00:50:35,114
Speaker 3: the other would significantly impact how we think about the

1111
00:50:35,154 --> 00:50:39,594
Speaker 3: fourth overall pick. Like which which coach would be a

1112
00:50:39,634 --> 00:50:41,354
Speaker 3: bigger drawer or a better drawer.

1113
00:50:41,433 --> 00:50:43,033
Speaker 4: I think they're different, Like I can say I can

1114
00:50:43,074 --> 00:50:45,234
Speaker 4: make arguments for both guys, because I think there'll be

1115
00:50:45,473 --> 00:50:48,314
Speaker 4: guys who like Rabel's kind of personality. Is a tough guy,

1116
00:50:48,754 --> 00:50:51,034
Speaker 4: you know, a guy who played, who's been there and

1117
00:50:51,274 --> 00:50:52,634
Speaker 4: I had a little bit of success. But I think

1118
00:50:52,634 --> 00:50:55,674
Speaker 4: guys would also be drawn to the offensive wizard.

1119
00:50:55,473 --> 00:50:58,033
Speaker 5: As simple as that. You know, like, offensive guys would

1120
00:50:58,034 --> 00:51:00,593
Speaker 5: probably be more drawn to the Johnson. Defensive guys would

1121
00:51:00,554 --> 00:51:02,074
Speaker 5: probably be more drawn to Rabel.

1122
00:51:02,274 --> 00:51:04,754
Speaker 4: Yeah, probably. So then it becomes about the coordinators and

1123
00:51:04,873 --> 00:51:06,754
Speaker 4: how do you balance it out? And how do you

1124
00:51:06,834 --> 00:51:10,194
Speaker 4: hire an offensive coordinator with Rabel that brings some offensive

1125
00:51:10,194 --> 00:51:12,354
Speaker 4: guys in? If you're Ben Johnson, how do you hire

1126
00:51:12,354 --> 00:51:14,713
Speaker 4: a defensive coordinator that brings some of the defensive guys too?

1127
00:51:16,433 --> 00:51:19,634
Speaker 3: Uh? Boston Kream writes in if Rabel means McDaniels and

1128
00:51:19,714 --> 00:51:24,194
Speaker 3: McDaniels means a fullback, sign me up, Uh, Paul. One

1129
00:51:24,194 --> 00:51:26,394
Speaker 3: of my favorite parts of the twenty twenty four shows

1130
00:51:26,473 --> 00:51:29,674
Speaker 3: was you calling out so many of Belichick's double standards

1131
00:51:29,834 --> 00:51:32,594
Speaker 3: and using his media gigs to take shots at the organization.

1132
00:51:33,074 --> 00:51:35,074
Speaker 3: So what do you think about his comments in regards

1133
00:51:35,154 --> 00:51:37,834
Speaker 3: to the last four years and having a disconnect with

1134
00:51:37,873 --> 00:51:39,794
Speaker 3: the scouts and managers.

1135
00:51:40,074 --> 00:51:45,794
Speaker 5: Very convenient line of demarcation, right, the maginal line. Tom

1136
00:51:45,834 --> 00:51:51,314
Speaker 5: Brady's gone and suddenly our vision isn't the same coincidence

1137
00:51:51,354 --> 00:51:54,113
Speaker 5: I think not? Yeah, just another in a long line

1138
00:51:54,154 --> 00:51:58,394
Speaker 5: of it was his hypocrisy. Don't blame me, it's.

1139
00:51:58,314 --> 00:52:00,834
Speaker 3: Them, right, not a shared vision.

1140
00:52:01,234 --> 00:52:02,873
Speaker 4: It is interesting though, like I mean, not that I

1141
00:52:02,953 --> 00:52:05,194
Speaker 4: expected it not, Tom Brod, do you never have any

1142
00:52:05,234 --> 00:52:09,113
Speaker 4: even acknowledgment that things completely fell apart here from him?

1143
00:52:09,154 --> 00:52:11,434
Speaker 4: Like he just you know, it's like he kind of sits,

1144
00:52:11,473 --> 00:52:12,434
Speaker 4: like like he stands.

1145
00:52:13,314 --> 00:52:15,114
Speaker 5: I know you're no longer had the same vision.

1146
00:52:15,433 --> 00:52:22,393
Speaker 3: Yeah, Anthony and settle right, Anthony settles They maybe right

1147
00:52:22,433 --> 00:52:24,953
Speaker 3: now I feel like a kid without parents. I need

1148
00:52:24,994 --> 00:52:26,754
Speaker 3: a coach to come in and make me feel like

1149
00:52:26,794 --> 00:52:29,954
Speaker 3: everything's going to be okay. Right now, I just feel lost.

1150
00:52:30,714 --> 00:52:32,754
Speaker 3: I do think they should have given Mayo another year.

1151
00:52:32,834 --> 00:52:35,033
Speaker 3: But my one exception was if we had a chance

1152
00:52:35,034 --> 00:52:37,194
Speaker 3: to get Ben Johnson. I don't know if he can

1153
00:52:37,234 --> 00:52:38,714
Speaker 3: be a head coach or not, but I want to

1154
00:52:38,714 --> 00:52:41,194
Speaker 3: take a big swing and That's my example of a

1155
00:52:41,194 --> 00:52:43,954
Speaker 3: big swing. I'm warming up to the idea of Rabel,

1156
00:52:44,034 --> 00:52:47,274
Speaker 3: but I'm certainly not afraid of losing out on him

1157
00:52:47,274 --> 00:52:51,234
Speaker 3: by doing our diligence and interviewing other candidates. Lastly, on

1158
00:52:51,274 --> 00:52:54,754
Speaker 3: a side note, on the postgame show, what Nelson called

1159
00:52:54,754 --> 00:52:57,674
Speaker 3: into the show. I turned up my volume because he

1160
00:52:57,754 --> 00:53:00,754
Speaker 3: never lets me down. Sure enough, three seconds in he

1161
00:53:00,834 --> 00:53:04,394
Speaker 3: drops an S bomb. You guys reacted, but let it slide.

1162
00:53:04,514 --> 00:53:07,874
Speaker 3: Ten seconds in F bomb call drop and I'm dying laughing.

1163
00:53:08,034 --> 00:53:11,194
Speaker 5: I'm trying, like I tried to, like, you know, okay one,

1164
00:53:11,714 --> 00:53:14,154
Speaker 5: I can't let you get come on, F bombs, Come on,

1165
00:53:14,234 --> 00:53:16,593
Speaker 5: I know, no, got to have some standard those socks.

1166
00:53:16,594 --> 00:53:19,034
Speaker 4: His glasses steamed up a little where we heard that.

1167
00:53:19,114 --> 00:53:20,993
Speaker 5: He didn't like the span of like fifteen seconds. It

1168
00:53:21,194 --> 00:53:22,154
Speaker 5: was s and then.

1169
00:53:22,154 --> 00:53:22,834
Speaker 4: F oh no.

1170
00:53:23,473 --> 00:53:26,594
Speaker 3: Rake says, uh, why would the Patriots considered Mike Vrabel

1171
00:53:26,594 --> 00:53:28,234
Speaker 3: as their head coach when he was passed on a

1172
00:53:28,314 --> 00:53:31,433
Speaker 3: year ago, bringing Gronk. I think Gronk as the head

1173
00:53:31,433 --> 00:53:32,553
Speaker 3: coach of the football team.

1174
00:53:33,114 --> 00:53:35,834
Speaker 5: Yes, I can Animal House in Detroit.

1175
00:53:37,274 --> 00:53:39,434
Speaker 4: He's like one of those just be good, just be awesome.

1176
00:53:39,594 --> 00:53:40,674
Speaker 4: Why can't you just be awesome.

1177
00:53:40,674 --> 00:53:43,554
Speaker 5: Why can't you just jump over that guy and catch it?

1178
00:53:43,674 --> 00:53:46,674
Speaker 4: Just be six seven and fifty and run.

1179
00:53:47,913 --> 00:53:50,153
Speaker 5: We're on the picture right now.

1180
00:53:52,074 --> 00:53:54,674
Speaker 4: You all right, Yeah, I'm not sick at all that

1181
00:53:54,873 --> 00:53:57,514
Speaker 4: don't like throat lava.

1182
00:53:57,913 --> 00:54:01,754
Speaker 5: Little Chris Berman like gargoing with lava tuline.

1183
00:54:01,953 --> 00:54:04,954
Speaker 3: Let's go back to it and we'll go to John

1184
00:54:05,034 --> 00:54:08,194
Speaker 3: in Virginia. Hey, John, Oh, John is not there.

1185
00:54:09,913 --> 00:54:11,113
Speaker 5: You didn't make him wait that long.

1186
00:54:11,274 --> 00:54:16,594
Speaker 3: Uno lunch Patty's an what's up? Patty?

1187
00:54:17,913 --> 00:54:19,034
Speaker 9: Hey, good afternoon, gentleman.

1188
00:54:19,194 --> 00:54:21,034
Speaker 5: Is more of a liquid lunch. Patty.

1189
00:54:21,714 --> 00:54:25,674
Speaker 9: I got a couple of hypothetical for you, and that

1190
00:54:25,794 --> 00:54:27,553
Speaker 9: it has to do with the offensive court of the

1191
00:54:28,433 --> 00:54:33,834
Speaker 9: possible offensive coordinate nators for the two top candidates. So

1192
00:54:33,913 --> 00:54:36,913
Speaker 9: the first one, like if Brabile does come and he

1193
00:54:36,994 --> 00:54:40,993
Speaker 9: does bring Josh McDaniels, and then remember this is hypothetical,

1194
00:54:40,994 --> 00:54:43,714
Speaker 9: would you like the idea of kind of what Andy

1195
00:54:43,754 --> 00:54:46,034
Speaker 9: Reid did. I can't remember if it was before or

1196
00:54:46,034 --> 00:54:49,754
Speaker 9: after they drafted Pat mahomes where he got someone from

1197
00:54:49,754 --> 00:54:52,954
Speaker 9: the college ranks to sort of modernize his West Coast offense,

1198
00:54:53,154 --> 00:54:55,873
Speaker 9: Like if we could possibly work with somebody in the

1199
00:54:55,873 --> 00:54:58,234
Speaker 9: college ranks to modernize Josh's offense.

1200
00:54:59,074 --> 00:55:01,513
Speaker 5: Well, I think yeah, I mean that would make sense.

1201
00:55:01,554 --> 00:55:03,914
Speaker 4: I mean Josh was you know, we did our shot,

1202
00:55:03,913 --> 00:55:06,234
Speaker 4: our you know, Brady thing with Josh, and that's what

1203
00:55:06,274 --> 00:55:08,234
Speaker 4: he's been doing. He's been going around to colleges and

1204
00:55:08,354 --> 00:55:10,314
Speaker 4: other places and other programs. That's what he's been doing.

1205
00:55:10,433 --> 00:55:10,794
Speaker 4: Last time.

1206
00:55:10,873 --> 00:55:12,513
Speaker 5: Yeah, he talked to us a little bit about that.

1207
00:55:12,514 --> 00:55:14,593
Speaker 5: That's a good point, Mike, I had forgotten about that.

1208
00:55:14,634 --> 00:55:17,754
Speaker 5: He spent some time with Ohio State, I think out

1209
00:55:17,794 --> 00:55:19,274
Speaker 5: in the West coast with USC and.

1210
00:55:19,274 --> 00:55:22,074
Speaker 4: Auditing, a lot of auditing, doing a lot of Daniels

1211
00:55:22,074 --> 00:55:22,274
Speaker 4: did this.

1212
00:55:22,473 --> 00:55:25,314
Speaker 5: Yeah, he spent a lot of time on some college campuses.

1213
00:55:25,674 --> 00:55:26,714
Speaker 5: That's last year.

1214
00:55:26,714 --> 00:55:27,873
Speaker 3: Well, that's that's hopeful.

1215
00:55:27,953 --> 00:55:29,234
Speaker 5: Yeah, but I think, Patty, you're.

1216
00:55:29,194 --> 00:55:31,834
Speaker 6: Right tically it was Brad Childress, so it wasn't a

1217
00:55:31,873 --> 00:55:32,473
Speaker 6: college coach.

1218
00:55:32,514 --> 00:55:35,834
Speaker 5: But I digress about the spread. Yeah, yeah, no, but

1219
00:55:35,873 --> 00:55:38,553
Speaker 5: I just whoever, whoever it was, I don't really care

1220
00:55:38,594 --> 00:55:42,553
Speaker 5: who it is, as long as you understand your limitations. Yeah,

1221
00:55:42,794 --> 00:55:45,034
Speaker 5: that's why I really liked the idea of Rabel spending

1222
00:55:45,194 --> 00:55:48,194
Speaker 5: time with Cleveland trying to learn offense. Yeah, Like, I

1223
00:55:48,234 --> 00:55:51,234
Speaker 5: know what people think and I know what I don't know.

1224
00:55:51,473 --> 00:55:51,794
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1225
00:55:51,873 --> 00:55:52,113
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1226
00:55:52,194 --> 00:55:55,714
Speaker 6: So in twenty thirteen, when Andy Reid got to Kansas City,

1227
00:55:55,953 --> 00:55:58,953
Speaker 6: so this is before Patrick Mahomes, he hired Brad Childress

1228
00:55:58,994 --> 00:56:01,873
Speaker 6: as a spread game analyst.

1229
00:56:01,194 --> 00:56:02,513
Speaker 5: And so that's what I was thinking.

1230
00:56:02,554 --> 00:56:06,074
Speaker 6: He turned his West Coast offense into what Mike Lombardi

1231
00:56:06,154 --> 00:56:08,994
Speaker 6: coined as West Coast College and he combined the spread

1232
00:56:08,994 --> 00:56:11,994
Speaker 6: elements of the college game with the traditional West Coast

1233
00:56:12,034 --> 00:56:15,074
Speaker 6: offense and birth what we now know is the Chiefs offense.

1234
00:56:15,473 --> 00:56:18,033
Speaker 6: And obviously, you know, Mahomes came later and took it

1235
00:56:18,074 --> 00:56:21,314
Speaker 6: to New Heights, but that that was the birth of that.

1236
00:56:21,354 --> 00:56:23,074
Speaker 6: But that was Brad Childress, who was the guy that

1237
00:56:23,433 --> 00:56:24,274
Speaker 6: he hired to do.

1238
00:56:24,314 --> 00:56:26,674
Speaker 4: What do you guys remember Andy Reid's first stint. I

1239
00:56:26,714 --> 00:56:28,394
Speaker 4: mean I was doing a little just you know, looking

1240
00:56:28,433 --> 00:56:30,994
Speaker 4: back at some of the coaches that got second chances,

1241
00:56:30,994 --> 00:56:33,114
Speaker 4: and you know, I remember Andy Reid really kind of

1242
00:56:33,114 --> 00:56:35,473
Speaker 4: had a bad rap as like terrible game manager. Right

1243
00:56:35,473 --> 00:56:37,993
Speaker 4: at the end of the game. I still don't think

1244
00:56:38,034 --> 00:56:41,314
Speaker 4: he's yeah, that's win Super Bowls anyway, but it was.

1245
00:56:41,953 --> 00:56:43,514
Speaker 4: But he went to like what three or four straight

1246
00:56:43,594 --> 00:56:45,714
Speaker 4: NFC championships kind of right out of the gate, Like

1247
00:56:45,714 --> 00:56:48,993
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, four in a row. I don't know.

1248
00:56:48,994 --> 00:56:50,354
Speaker 4: I just I just just doing a little bit.

1249
00:56:50,393 --> 00:56:53,194
Speaker 5: He was a very good coach in Philadelphia. He's been

1250
00:56:53,234 --> 00:56:56,754
Speaker 5: a great coach, not coincidentally with you know, the best

1251
00:56:56,834 --> 00:56:57,553
Speaker 5: quarterback in the game.

1252
00:56:57,634 --> 00:56:59,913
Speaker 4: That's how it kind of works.

1253
00:56:58,514 --> 00:57:03,634
Speaker 6: It's not when he called time out interesting.

1254
00:57:03,834 --> 00:57:06,834
Speaker 5: So I could tell, I could tell you mocking me.

1255
00:57:07,354 --> 00:57:09,874
Speaker 6: You know, it's actually more.

1256
00:57:11,234 --> 00:57:13,234
Speaker 5: But this is kind of what I'm talking about, Like

1257
00:57:14,034 --> 00:57:18,514
Speaker 5: we give the coach the credit, like Patrick Mahomes fixed

1258
00:57:18,514 --> 00:57:22,034
Speaker 5: Andy Reid's clock management issues, much like Tom Brady in

1259
00:57:22,474 --> 00:57:26,354
Speaker 5: Bellichick admitted it two weeks ago. Yeah, Tom Brady covered

1260
00:57:26,434 --> 00:57:29,794
Speaker 5: up for a lot of missteps along the way. That's

1261
00:57:29,874 --> 00:57:35,474
Speaker 5: the benefit of having such greatness at that position. Brady

1262
00:57:35,594 --> 00:57:39,154
Speaker 5: kind of made Belichick look at clock and time management

1263
00:57:39,194 --> 00:57:39,954
Speaker 5: in a whole different way.

1264
00:57:40,314 --> 00:57:45,234
Speaker 3: Speaking of clock management in game thinking, Rabel gets a

1265
00:57:45,234 --> 00:57:49,154
Speaker 3: lot of credit for that. I think there was an

1266
00:57:49,674 --> 00:57:53,394
Speaker 3: anecdote on the Twitter yesterday about a game and I

1267
00:57:53,434 --> 00:57:55,954
Speaker 3: forget who they were playing, but toward the end of

1268
00:57:55,994 --> 00:57:58,434
Speaker 3: the game, he purposely ran a twelfth guy out in

1269
00:57:58,474 --> 00:58:01,914
Speaker 3: the field to get that penalty to and it ended

1270
00:58:01,994 --> 00:58:04,394
Speaker 3: up saving forty seconds at the end of the game

1271
00:58:04,434 --> 00:58:05,394
Speaker 3: and they ended up winning.

1272
00:58:06,634 --> 00:58:09,434
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, he knows all those from Belichick, like a

1273
00:58:09,474 --> 00:58:12,274
Speaker 6: lot of those wrinkles and stuff. But you know, that

1274
00:58:12,434 --> 00:58:16,874
Speaker 6: was sort of the exchange with Kevin Stefanski. Stefanski wanted

1275
00:58:16,914 --> 00:58:19,154
Speaker 6: to get better at that kind of stuff and Rabel

1276
00:58:19,154 --> 00:58:21,354
Speaker 6: wanted to get better at offense. So they brought him

1277
00:58:21,394 --> 00:58:25,114
Speaker 6: in last year in Cleveland as a consultant and Stefanski

1278
00:58:25,474 --> 00:58:28,874
Speaker 6: him offense and he tossed the fans feed game management now.

1279
00:58:29,314 --> 00:58:32,114
Speaker 5: Little things like that, So you know, you do that,

1280
00:58:32,274 --> 00:58:34,474
Speaker 5: you know, you do the loophole and the clock when

1281
00:58:34,474 --> 00:58:36,594
Speaker 5: it's outside of five minutes that we saw him do

1282
00:58:36,794 --> 00:58:40,314
Speaker 5: here in the wild card game, right, because I'm the

1283
00:58:40,314 --> 00:58:43,194
Speaker 5: only one allowed to bend the rules exactly right, right,

1284
00:58:43,274 --> 00:58:46,754
Speaker 5: And you know this is you know, Mike Rabel was

1285
00:58:46,754 --> 00:58:49,474
Speaker 5: involved with the original thing way back when when they

1286
00:58:49,514 --> 00:58:52,073
Speaker 5: called two timeouts in a row, that's right, And then

1287
00:58:52,114 --> 00:58:54,354
Speaker 5: they ended up altering that rule so you couldn't do

1288
00:58:54,394 --> 00:58:59,274
Speaker 5: that anymore, ye you know, So again, is it the

1289
00:58:59,274 --> 00:59:02,234
Speaker 5: coach or do you have some special players too?

1290
00:59:02,314 --> 00:59:04,194
Speaker 4: Well, that was part of it. I just I remember

1291
00:59:04,274 --> 00:59:05,914
Speaker 4: Andy Reid being a little bit of a punch line

1292
00:59:05,954 --> 00:59:08,754
Speaker 4: and even you know, had tons of success. But I

1293
00:59:08,834 --> 00:59:10,634
Speaker 4: just wonder what the move was in Kansas City if

1294
00:59:10,634 --> 00:59:12,354
Speaker 4: they're saying a lot of the things like we're saying

1295
00:59:12,394 --> 00:59:14,474
Speaker 4: of like, yeah, you know, he was a good coach there,

1296
00:59:14,554 --> 00:59:16,354
Speaker 4: but is he really going to get us to the

1297
00:59:16,394 --> 00:59:18,914
Speaker 4: promised land? You know? Is he really that special guy?

1298
00:59:19,154 --> 00:59:21,634
Speaker 5: It wasn't. I mean, the Andy Reid hiring in Kansas

1299
00:59:21,634 --> 00:59:24,834
Speaker 5: City was not met with, you know, but this is it,

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00:59:24,874 --> 00:59:26,434
Speaker 5: This is the missing piece that we needed to get

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00:59:26,514 --> 00:59:28,474
Speaker 5: us over the top. But they weren't that kind of

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00:59:28,474 --> 00:59:29,074
Speaker 5: a team.

1303
00:59:29,514 --> 00:59:32,354
Speaker 3: Sixty Schottenheimer who came before.

1304
00:59:32,034 --> 00:59:36,633
Speaker 5: Him, No, not Shottenneimer. Geez, it would have been would

1305
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Speaker 5: it be.

1306
00:59:37,714 --> 00:59:39,074
Speaker 4: Who was that jerk coach?

1307
00:59:39,194 --> 00:59:43,314
Speaker 5: Herm Edwards or hers or Vermeil before.

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00:59:43,354 --> 00:59:44,634
Speaker 4: There's another guy out of Pittsburgh.

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00:59:44,634 --> 00:59:47,194
Speaker 5: I'm thinking of maybe she want to say Herm Edwards

1310
00:59:47,674 --> 00:59:50,113
Speaker 5: he succeeded, but I don't. I don't know for sure.

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00:59:50,154 --> 00:59:55,514
Speaker 3: Bryan's and Raleigh, North Carolina. I hate Brian, Bryan, Bryan,

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00:59:56,354 --> 00:59:57,114
Speaker 3: Hello Brian.

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00:59:58,474 --> 01:00:02,594
Speaker 6: So technically it was Romeo Cornell. Cornell served as the

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Speaker 6: interim in twenty eleven when they fired Todd Haley's from Pittsburgh,

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Speaker 6: and then Cornell hung on for one more year after

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01:00:12,354 --> 01:00:15,794
Speaker 6: his interim season, and then they hired Andy Todd.

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Speaker 5: Haley actually brought him to the playoffs and No. Nine,

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Speaker 5: I forgot about him.

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Speaker 3: One more email than we'll take a break. We got

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Speaker 3: to hurry. Pete Odawa now in Fort Lauderdale listening to

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Speaker 3: old podcasts from January twenty twenty three. At that time,

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Speaker 3: Evan seemed to really dislike and not think that Josh

1323
01:00:32,274 --> 01:00:35,633
Speaker 3: Allen was good. When did Evan change his opinion? Also

1324
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Speaker 3: around that time, Mike was thinking he was going to

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Speaker 3: have to get a dog due to pressure from his family.

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Speaker 3: Did he get a dog? No dog. I don't trust

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Speaker 3: people who don't like dogs.

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Speaker 5: No dog, no or something.

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Speaker 4: I don't like dogs. I just don't want to have

1330
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Speaker 4: to take care of a dog.

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Speaker 6: You want to be the uncle to a dog?

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Speaker 4: I want to do it.

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Speaker 13: Do Yeah.

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Speaker 5: I don't trust people that like dogs more than people.

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Speaker 5: Oh sorry, he doesn't like people who don't like dogs. Yeah,

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01:00:58,674 --> 01:01:01,834
Speaker 5: I don't know their dogs like there they are actual people.

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Speaker 4: I think.

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Speaker 3: When did you decide that Josh Allen was good?

1339
01:01:05,834 --> 01:01:08,034
Speaker 6: Like five years ago? So I would assume that was

1340
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Speaker 6: a sarcastic as you met him last year, I was

1341
01:01:09,994 --> 01:01:15,794
Speaker 6: maybe a sarcastic Okayne with him after the game, like, yeah, awesome.

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Speaker 5: Own your bad takes own on it, own it folks.

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Speaker 5: What do you think of Joe today?

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01:02:58,474 --> 01:03:00,673
Speaker 7: May played great. It was a lot of fun to watch.

1374
01:03:00,914 --> 01:03:03,194
Speaker 7: Saw the preparation that he put in throughout the weekend.

1375
01:03:04,434 --> 01:03:06,594
Speaker 7: You know, I told him on the field, you know

1376
01:03:07,154 --> 01:03:09,073
Speaker 7: it's hard to do. You know, you haven't played all year.

1377
01:03:09,074 --> 01:03:10,514
Speaker 7: You come in the last game of the year and

1378
01:03:11,114 --> 01:03:13,194
Speaker 7: do the things that you did. You know, obviously put

1379
01:03:13,234 --> 01:03:15,834
Speaker 7: a lot of people on notice around the league, you know,

1380
01:03:15,914 --> 01:03:17,954
Speaker 7: And like I told him, I was excited for what

1381
01:03:17,994 --> 01:03:18,274
Speaker 7: he did.

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Speaker 16: You know, it was a lot of fun to watch.

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01:03:20,314 --> 01:03:23,153
Speaker 17: Well, you're surprised at what he did today, but then again,

1384
01:03:23,194 --> 01:03:25,114
Speaker 17: probably not because you guys watched him do it against

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01:03:25,434 --> 01:03:26,274
Speaker 17: defense all year long.

1386
01:03:26,354 --> 01:03:28,434
Speaker 7: Right, Yeah, Nah, I wasn't surprised at all, Like I said,

1387
01:03:28,434 --> 01:03:31,554
Speaker 7: the preparation that he did, uh throughout the week, you know,

1388
01:03:31,674 --> 01:03:33,674
Speaker 7: and and and it and it came to fruition today.

1389
01:03:34,954 --> 01:03:35,994
Speaker 13: To become a free agent.

1390
01:03:36,034 --> 01:03:38,034
Speaker 5: And how do you do your future tis?

1391
01:03:38,874 --> 01:03:40,714
Speaker 7: Uh that's probably of being a free agent. You don't

1392
01:03:40,714 --> 01:03:44,113
Speaker 7: know right now obviously, and uh so figure some things

1393
01:03:44,154 --> 01:03:44,874
Speaker 7: out and then.

1394
01:03:45,434 --> 01:03:45,954
Speaker 16: Go from there.

1395
01:03:46,154 --> 01:03:48,714
Speaker 13: What's important to you and your next assassinations.

1396
01:03:48,914 --> 01:03:48,994
Speaker 6: Uh.

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01:03:49,034 --> 01:03:51,434
Speaker 7: I think I'll get some time to reflect and and

1398
01:03:51,434 --> 01:03:53,794
Speaker 7: and you know, every year you gotta reevaluate what's important

1399
01:03:53,834 --> 01:03:56,474
Speaker 7: and you know, and and you know, in a couple

1400
01:03:56,474 --> 01:03:58,514
Speaker 7: of weeks, I'll figure that out and figure out my

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01:03:58,514 --> 01:03:59,314
Speaker 7: plan of action.

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01:03:59,154 --> 01:04:02,074
Speaker 18: Which could be from what you've experienced in the NFL.

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01:04:02,554 --> 01:04:04,153
Speaker 3: What do what do you.

1404
01:04:03,954 --> 01:04:06,954
Speaker 18: Think this team in this franchise needs to do this

1405
01:04:07,034 --> 01:04:10,034
Speaker 18: off season and things tom to move forward to to

1406
01:04:10,114 --> 01:04:11,914
Speaker 18: take a step back back for being your.

1407
01:04:11,794 --> 01:04:15,634
Speaker 7: Contender, Uh continue to Bill you know obviously, uh, not

1408
01:04:15,674 --> 01:04:17,714
Speaker 7: the results we want, but you know, its first year

1409
01:04:17,754 --> 01:04:19,434
Speaker 7: for a lot of you know, head coach off Scording

1410
01:04:19,514 --> 01:04:21,954
Speaker 7: d Scorting a GM you know, uh, you know but

1411
01:04:21,954 --> 01:04:25,034
Speaker 7: people don't understand all that. But uh, you know, obviously,

1412
01:04:25,274 --> 01:04:27,474
Speaker 7: good things take time. You know, it's not like Rome

1413
01:04:27,554 --> 01:04:29,714
Speaker 7: was building to day. I know that's saying, but uh,

1414
01:04:29,754 --> 01:04:31,593
Speaker 7: you know, keep building with the right people around here.

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01:04:31,714 --> 01:04:31,794
Speaker 5: Uh.

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01:04:31,874 --> 01:04:33,194
Speaker 7: You know, got a lot of talent here, got a

1417
01:04:33,234 --> 01:04:36,954
Speaker 7: lot of good coaches around here. And you know, the

1418
01:04:36,954 --> 01:04:38,754
Speaker 7: the word that people don't want to use is patience.

1419
01:04:38,794 --> 01:04:39,994
Speaker 7: You know, you gotta have patience with this thing.

1420
01:04:40,034 --> 01:04:40,194
Speaker 3: Man.

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01:04:40,234 --> 01:04:43,593
Speaker 16: It's and you know, I think just keep getting better.

1422
01:04:43,794 --> 01:04:47,634
Speaker 18: You mentioned first year co uh head coach offensive coordinator

1423
01:04:47,674 --> 01:04:50,754
Speaker 18: Defense Cord. How hard is that for a team to

1424
01:04:50,834 --> 01:04:52,754
Speaker 18: come together when everybody's.

1425
01:04:52,354 --> 01:04:53,113
Speaker 3: Learning on their job.

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01:04:53,634 --> 01:04:55,834
Speaker 16: Uh, yeah, it's hard, you know.

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01:04:56,154 --> 01:04:58,954
Speaker 7: Uh uh, But at the same time, that's why they

1428
01:04:58,954 --> 01:05:02,034
Speaker 7: pay us an a And you know, obviously next year

1429
01:05:02,034 --> 01:05:04,474
Speaker 7: will be second year, so you know, you obviously you

1430
01:05:04,474 --> 01:05:05,714
Speaker 7: know you gotta continue to get better.

1431
01:05:05,554 --> 01:05:07,834
Speaker 16: From year one to year two. And and you know,

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01:05:08,154 --> 01:05:09,634
Speaker 16: I figured that's the mindset.

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01:05:09,874 --> 01:05:11,354
Speaker 13: Did you see growth from coach Mayo?

1434
01:05:11,434 --> 01:05:13,314
Speaker 6: Like are the things you would point to that say.

1435
01:05:13,554 --> 01:05:14,474
Speaker 3: He was better?

1436
01:05:14,754 --> 01:05:14,954
Speaker 4: Sure?

1437
01:05:15,754 --> 01:05:17,794
Speaker 7: You know, it's it's it's it's hard for y'all to

1438
01:05:17,834 --> 01:05:20,234
Speaker 7: see that because y'all obviously aren't here every day.

1439
01:05:20,474 --> 01:05:23,914
Speaker 16: Uh you know, uh so, uh, but you know, I.

1440
01:05:23,874 --> 01:05:26,914
Speaker 7: Think it's it's continue growth throughout the year that I saw,

1441
01:05:27,194 --> 01:05:29,714
Speaker 7: uh and you know, obviously getting the off season when

1442
01:05:29,914 --> 01:05:31,834
Speaker 7: there's no games in time like for the dust to

1443
01:05:31,874 --> 01:05:34,394
Speaker 7: settle and and you know, and look back at each

1444
01:05:34,434 --> 01:05:36,593
Speaker 7: week in each game and and reevaluate and.

1445
01:05:36,474 --> 01:05:37,874
Speaker 16: Then you see the jump. It's just like what you

1446
01:05:37,914 --> 01:05:38,514
Speaker 16: do with players.

1447
01:05:38,554 --> 01:05:42,234
Speaker 7: You know, you you're one y, you what you expect

1448
01:05:42,234 --> 01:05:44,154
Speaker 7: from rookie, and and then year two you get better,

1449
01:05:44,194 --> 01:05:45,634
Speaker 7: and year three you get better, and your four you

1450
01:05:45,674 --> 01:05:45,994
Speaker 7: get better.

1451
01:05:46,034 --> 01:05:48,394
Speaker 16: And that's how that's how this league works.

1452
01:05:48,594 --> 01:05:50,314
Speaker 6: More questions guys like.

1453
01:05:52,594 --> 01:05:55,354
Speaker 7: Yeah, man, I mean who, Like I said, it's it's

1454
01:05:55,394 --> 01:05:57,274
Speaker 7: obviously you gotta reflect on a lot of things and

1455
01:05:57,274 --> 01:05:58,874
Speaker 7: and figure those things out.

1456
01:05:59,594 --> 01:06:01,994
Speaker 16: Yeah, what do it mean to you to win?

1457
01:06:02,354 --> 01:06:04,514
Speaker 17: Tell you especially when you consider how those season wit

1458
01:06:04,554 --> 01:06:04,954
Speaker 17: this year?

1459
01:06:05,194 --> 01:06:07,994
Speaker 8: Uh, I mean it feels good, you know, like when

1460
01:06:08,394 --> 01:06:09,914
Speaker 8: and uh, it feels good, you know, you know, the

1461
01:06:10,074 --> 01:06:11,434
Speaker 8: end the season with a dub.

1462
01:06:11,754 --> 01:06:14,994
Speaker 17: The as you know, it was a weird week if

1463
01:06:15,034 --> 01:06:16,754
Speaker 17: fans all knew if you guys lost, you get the

1464
01:06:16,794 --> 01:06:17,354
Speaker 17: number one pick.

1465
01:06:17,394 --> 01:06:18,874
Speaker 3: How weird was that? Today?

1466
01:06:19,554 --> 01:06:21,674
Speaker 17: With the vibe in the stadium kind of they they

1467
01:06:21,754 --> 01:06:23,434
Speaker 17: wanted you to lose, so you get the number one

1468
01:06:23,434 --> 01:06:24,074
Speaker 17: pick and the threat.

1469
01:06:24,114 --> 01:06:26,474
Speaker 8: Oh I, they ain't got nothing to do with me.

1470
01:06:26,554 --> 01:06:27,474
Speaker 3: I I want this win.

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Speaker 8: I don't care about nothing, you know, not a I

1472
01:06:30,674 --> 01:06:33,514
Speaker 8: mean the first round pick of I just wanted this

1473
01:06:33,594 --> 01:06:34,113
Speaker 8: win back.

1474
01:06:34,474 --> 01:06:35,314
Speaker 3: What about?

1475
01:06:35,354 --> 01:06:35,914
Speaker 16: What did you think of.

1476
01:06:37,874 --> 01:06:38,113
Speaker 4: A lot?

1477
01:06:38,434 --> 01:06:39,074
Speaker 5: You nice?

1478
01:06:39,194 --> 01:06:40,834
Speaker 8: But I I I already knew that though. I mean

1479
01:06:40,834 --> 01:06:43,394
Speaker 8: I trained with him in a uh summer, and I

1480
01:06:43,434 --> 01:06:46,073
Speaker 8: always knew he he had talent, god like him though a.

1481
01:06:45,994 --> 01:06:47,354
Speaker 15: Few weeks of light name you said, you know your

1482
01:06:47,394 --> 01:06:49,634
Speaker 15: name losing obviously, how to go.

1483
01:06:49,754 --> 01:06:50,874
Speaker 8: To an out of teason like that's?

1484
01:06:50,954 --> 01:06:51,034
Speaker 5: Uh?

1485
01:06:51,074 --> 01:06:52,874
Speaker 8: How would you kind of reflect on that interest in

1486
01:06:52,914 --> 01:06:53,234
Speaker 8: what this.

1487
01:06:53,194 --> 01:06:54,034
Speaker 15: Season has been like?

1488
01:06:54,354 --> 01:06:57,714
Speaker 8: Uh? I mean for me, I mean I'm gonna work,

1489
01:06:57,994 --> 01:07:01,794
Speaker 8: you know. Uh, you know I I don't like losing seasons,

1490
01:07:01,794 --> 01:07:05,874
Speaker 8: and uh, I feel like for the team, everybody should

1491
01:07:05,874 --> 01:07:06,874
Speaker 8: have that same mindset.

1492
01:07:06,954 --> 01:07:08,113
Speaker 4: You know, man, we don't.

1493
01:07:08,234 --> 01:07:11,314
Speaker 8: We don't like this taste, and I mean getting another taste,

1494
01:07:11,354 --> 01:07:13,593
Speaker 8: you know, next year and a good taste though this.

1495
01:07:13,594 --> 01:07:16,394
Speaker 4: Time pretty cheering for people just got that same mindset

1496
01:07:16,754 --> 01:07:19,314
Speaker 4: they they do? You think everybody has that same minds?

1497
01:07:19,434 --> 01:07:21,673
Speaker 8: I mean they should. I mean, I I I don't

1498
01:07:21,714 --> 01:07:24,634
Speaker 8: know how everybody's thinking. So I mean they should I mean,

1499
01:07:25,554 --> 01:07:28,394
Speaker 8: they shouldn't like how this season went. So I feel like,

1500
01:07:28,834 --> 01:07:31,514
Speaker 8: you know it should come back, work hard this offseason

1501
01:07:31,594 --> 01:07:32,674
Speaker 8: and come back next year.

1502
01:07:32,674 --> 01:07:33,434
Speaker 4: And let's get it.

1503
01:07:33,874 --> 01:07:36,434
Speaker 17: You've talked about liking to play for Gerard Mao, A

1504
01:07:36,514 --> 01:07:38,794
Speaker 17: lot of you guys have he've had his back. I'm

1505
01:07:38,834 --> 01:07:40,554
Speaker 17: sure you'd love to play for him again for sure,

1506
01:07:40,674 --> 01:07:42,594
Speaker 17: But if he were let go, how disappointed would you be?

1507
01:07:43,034 --> 01:07:44,394
Speaker 4: H I'll be yeah, I would be hurt.

1508
01:07:44,474 --> 01:07:46,394
Speaker 8: I ain't gonna lie to be hurt just because uh

1509
01:07:47,114 --> 01:07:47,514
Speaker 8: he he he.

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01:07:47,674 --> 01:07:48,394
Speaker 16: He's a good coach.

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01:07:48,554 --> 01:07:50,274
Speaker 8: I mean it's his first it's his first you know,

1512
01:07:50,434 --> 01:07:53,274
Speaker 8: first year with a lot of young players. You know, uh,

1513
01:07:53,514 --> 01:07:55,754
Speaker 8: a lot of captains was out hurt. I mean, so

1514
01:07:56,074 --> 01:07:58,274
Speaker 8: I'm a lot of people didn't take that into consideration.

1515
01:07:58,514 --> 01:08:01,194
Speaker 8: You know, we we was a young team and you know,

1516
01:08:01,514 --> 01:08:03,794
Speaker 8: with a first, first year coach, and it was a

1517
01:08:03,954 --> 01:08:07,514
Speaker 8: whole new DNA you know, uh, different coaches and stuff

1518
01:08:07,554 --> 01:08:09,633
Speaker 8: like that. So I mean it it's gonna be slow

1519
01:08:09,674 --> 01:08:11,754
Speaker 8: at first, but once we all get together, you know,

1520
01:08:11,874 --> 01:08:13,514
Speaker 8: lock in, it'll be different.

1521
01:08:13,634 --> 01:08:15,754
Speaker 17: What did you guys see behind the scenes that we

1522
01:08:15,874 --> 01:08:18,554
Speaker 17: didn't see or that the fans didn't see. That makes

1523
01:08:18,594 --> 01:08:20,794
Speaker 17: you so uh sure that he's gonna be a really good.

1524
01:08:20,714 --> 01:08:22,594
Speaker 8: Coach, cause I mean he w we worked and he

1525
01:08:22,674 --> 01:08:24,874
Speaker 8: he pushed us. You know, uh it it just the

1526
01:08:24,954 --> 01:08:26,594
Speaker 8: out come then come our way.

1527
01:08:26,754 --> 01:08:26,914
Speaker 6: You know.

1528
01:08:27,114 --> 01:08:29,514
Speaker 4: Uh we just had the the bad end of the stick.

1529
01:08:29,674 --> 01:08:32,114
Speaker 8: But you know, uh it doesn't last for ever, you know,

1530
01:08:32,234 --> 01:08:34,474
Speaker 8: bad time throne last for ever, and we just gotta

1531
01:08:34,474 --> 01:08:36,434
Speaker 8: go out there and ball.

1532
01:08:36,994 --> 01:08:38,754
Speaker 3: D pap was it was this a a k sort

1533
01:08:38,794 --> 01:08:41,554
Speaker 3: of a strange atmosphere today, sort of like a a

1534
01:08:41,674 --> 01:08:42,714
Speaker 3: scattering of booze or you.

1535
01:08:42,714 --> 01:08:45,314
Speaker 8: Guys w went you know, yeah, I mean I don't

1536
01:08:45,314 --> 01:08:47,674
Speaker 8: wanna get into that cause you know, I love the Fairs.

1537
01:08:47,754 --> 01:08:49,994
Speaker 8: Even though they could be mad at us, you know

1538
01:08:50,114 --> 01:08:50,714
Speaker 8: that we won't.

1539
01:08:50,714 --> 01:08:53,714
Speaker 4: But uh that it was weird.

1540
01:08:53,794 --> 01:08:53,994
Speaker 14: You know.

1541
01:08:54,234 --> 01:08:56,714
Speaker 8: Uh it wasn't as loud as you usually get when

1542
01:08:56,754 --> 01:09:00,394
Speaker 8: you but I I mean I understand, yeah, I understand.

1543
01:09:00,594 --> 01:09:01,234
Speaker 3: Gerard said it.

1544
01:09:01,234 --> 01:09:02,994
Speaker 17: Was emotional in the locker room after the game.

1545
01:09:03,074 --> 01:09:05,274
Speaker 8: What was his message to you guys, Uh, you know,

1546
01:09:06,074 --> 01:09:08,154
Speaker 8: just you know, uh s bit definitely stay safe you

1547
01:09:08,194 --> 01:09:11,234
Speaker 8: know for the you know, the off season, but you know, uh,

1548
01:09:11,314 --> 01:09:13,314
Speaker 8: we should be proud of this, this win, you know,

1549
01:09:14,754 --> 01:09:16,914
Speaker 8: you know, despite how the season win, man, this this

1550
01:09:17,034 --> 01:09:18,354
Speaker 8: wind still means something.

1551
01:09:20,114 --> 01:09:20,234
Speaker 16: Uh.

1552
01:09:20,274 --> 01:09:22,674
Speaker 10: How do you feel like you've developed, you know, individually

1553
01:09:22,754 --> 01:09:24,474
Speaker 10: personally in this district? Uh?

1554
01:09:25,114 --> 01:09:29,634
Speaker 4: I believe developed pretty good. Uh the better than last year.

1555
01:09:29,874 --> 01:09:32,754
Speaker 8: So I mean I'm going, you know, up and as

1556
01:09:32,874 --> 01:09:34,874
Speaker 8: long as I'm going in the right direction, I believe

1557
01:09:34,914 --> 01:09:36,034
Speaker 8: I'm doing pretty good.

1558
01:09:36,634 --> 01:09:38,354
Speaker 13: You guys won't make the plans of off seasons to

1559
01:09:38,394 --> 01:09:40,954
Speaker 13: get together West Drake and just kind of hone in

1560
01:09:41,034 --> 01:09:42,274
Speaker 13: on more with no.

1561
01:09:42,474 --> 01:09:45,034
Speaker 8: Yeah, Drake had came up to me and say, popshot

1562
01:09:45,114 --> 01:09:46,914
Speaker 8: of Uh, where you will you be?

1563
01:09:47,234 --> 01:09:47,954
Speaker 3: I'd be in Florida.

1564
01:09:48,154 --> 01:09:50,114
Speaker 8: They said, Oh, we're gonna be at the beach working line.

1565
01:09:50,114 --> 01:09:51,914
Speaker 8: I said, yeah, let's get it. And uh, you know

1566
01:09:51,954 --> 01:09:53,674
Speaker 8: he'd be in North Carolina. I come up to North

1567
01:09:53,714 --> 01:09:55,674
Speaker 8: Carolina with you. He said, I don't know if you

1568
01:09:55,714 --> 01:09:57,274
Speaker 8: want that still gonna be a little cold. I said

1569
01:09:58,274 --> 01:09:59,954
Speaker 8: it'd be all right for sure.

1570
01:10:01,794 --> 01:10:02,114
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1571
01:10:02,274 --> 01:10:03,034
Speaker 5: I appreciate it.

1572
01:10:05,194 --> 01:10:07,274
Speaker 15: And now great moments in.

1573
01:10:09,594 --> 01:10:12,034
Speaker 3: History, he says, are any of you playing World?

1574
01:10:12,514 --> 01:10:12,714
Speaker 16: Yeah?

1575
01:10:13,034 --> 01:10:14,234
Speaker 3: I played? Do you play right now?

1576
01:10:14,634 --> 01:10:14,994
Speaker 6: Why not.

1577
01:10:16,914 --> 01:10:17,674
Speaker 5: Get so upset?

1578
01:10:17,914 --> 01:10:21,074
Speaker 3: Well, the way you answered it that's not isn't that

1579
01:10:21,154 --> 01:10:21,914
Speaker 3: how we just said it?

1580
01:10:22,914 --> 01:10:23,074
Speaker 5: Yes?

1581
01:10:23,514 --> 01:10:24,994
Speaker 3: Absolutely, you were very.

1582
01:10:25,274 --> 01:10:26,634
Speaker 5: This is not how I said it in my head.

1583
01:10:26,834 --> 01:10:29,114
Speaker 5: I tell you how I read it. I read it that.

1584
01:10:29,354 --> 01:10:31,394
Speaker 5: I have no time for that. No, no, no, he

1585
01:10:31,434 --> 01:10:33,114
Speaker 5: has plenty of time for it. He plays a bunch

1586
01:10:33,154 --> 01:10:33,994
Speaker 5: of other games like that.

1587
01:10:34,154 --> 01:10:37,114
Speaker 3: Okay, but everybody else is doing that one right, all right.

1588
01:10:37,994 --> 01:10:39,474
Speaker 5: So you don't like why I read it.

1589
01:10:39,514 --> 01:10:41,234
Speaker 3: You don't like word o eric, I don't know. I've

1590
01:10:41,274 --> 01:10:43,314
Speaker 3: never done it, So then why are you so dismissive.

1591
01:10:43,354 --> 01:10:45,074
Speaker 6: I'm not so dismissive, you know.

1592
01:10:47,354 --> 01:10:49,634
Speaker 5: I don't think they chose five letter words the most

1593
01:10:49,674 --> 01:10:52,914
Speaker 5: common number of the English language.

1594
01:10:52,954 --> 01:10:55,794
Speaker 4: I don't know, but it's it's always maddening when they

1595
01:10:55,874 --> 01:10:57,754
Speaker 4: use a letter twice, which I don't like that.

1596
01:10:57,954 --> 01:10:58,434
Speaker 3: I don't like that.

1597
01:10:58,514 --> 01:10:59,794
Speaker 5: I think they did did that today.

1598
01:11:00,074 --> 01:11:03,554
Speaker 3: They did well. If you pick a letter to explain

1599
01:11:03,594 --> 01:11:05,754
Speaker 3: all the rules, if you're interested, go find out.

1600
01:11:05,834 --> 01:11:08,154
Speaker 6: Like for examp, like if it was because you were

1601
01:11:08,194 --> 01:11:09,634
Speaker 6: so dismissive, I wasn't.

1602
01:11:10,194 --> 01:11:11,194
Speaker 3: Now you want to know about it?

1603
01:11:11,394 --> 01:11:13,954
Speaker 5: A little bit dismissive, just a little bit, just a

1604
01:11:13,994 --> 01:11:14,314
Speaker 5: little bit.

1605
01:11:14,474 --> 01:11:16,674
Speaker 3: That's another great moment from.

1606
01:11:19,714 --> 01:11:22,474
Speaker 5: Even listening to that Black's thought for sure, you were

1607
01:11:22,514 --> 01:11:26,674
Speaker 5: going to say, go yourself, would have an extreme go

1608
01:11:26,834 --> 01:11:27,754
Speaker 5: find out yourself.

1609
01:11:29,474 --> 01:11:33,754
Speaker 3: All right. I still play Wordley. Yeah, I play wordle

1610
01:11:33,794 --> 01:11:36,394
Speaker 3: and then I play connections. Oh yeah, you know which

1611
01:11:36,434 --> 01:11:36,834
Speaker 3: one that is.

1612
01:11:37,434 --> 01:11:40,434
Speaker 5: I don't know connections. I still play wordle more often

1613
01:11:40,474 --> 01:11:42,194
Speaker 5: than not. Did you ever not get it?

1614
01:11:42,674 --> 01:11:44,954
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, not not a lot. But I'd say like

1615
01:11:45,074 --> 01:11:46,314
Speaker 3: every once every thirty week.

1616
01:11:46,394 --> 01:11:49,354
Speaker 5: I had one last week. That's why I thought of it.

1617
01:11:49,434 --> 01:11:51,074
Speaker 5: I had one last week that I never want.

1618
01:11:51,354 --> 01:11:53,354
Speaker 3: Once in a while, I make a mistake and I

1619
01:11:53,474 --> 01:11:56,634
Speaker 3: use a letter I shouldn't. I know, you can't use anymore,

1620
01:11:56,874 --> 01:11:58,234
Speaker 3: And I'm like, oh, what did you just do?

1621
01:11:58,754 --> 01:11:58,914
Speaker 4: You know?

1622
01:12:00,474 --> 01:12:02,194
Speaker 5: Beats himself up over Yeah.

1623
01:12:05,314 --> 01:12:06,314
Speaker 3: Throw the phone across.

1624
01:12:07,074 --> 01:12:07,314
Speaker 5: Damn.

1625
01:12:07,634 --> 01:12:08,594
Speaker 4: What the Patriots do now?

1626
01:12:08,674 --> 01:12:08,714
Speaker 8: No?

1627
01:12:08,954 --> 01:12:10,554
Speaker 4: Nothing? All right?

1628
01:12:11,194 --> 01:12:16,354
Speaker 3: Eight five Pat's five hundred is the TPX hotline. Get

1629
01:12:16,434 --> 01:12:19,034
Speaker 3: some more emails and calls in here before we have

1630
01:12:19,154 --> 01:12:22,194
Speaker 3: to do picks. Alex will be joining us. Andre from

1631
01:12:22,234 --> 01:12:24,114
Speaker 3: New Jersey said, if Paul wants to break out his

1632
01:12:24,194 --> 01:12:27,394
Speaker 3: little pole, put me in for Vrabel as the next

1633
01:12:27,434 --> 01:12:30,714
Speaker 3: head coach over Ben Johnson, just because of the experience,

1634
01:12:30,874 --> 01:12:33,394
Speaker 3: the success with the Titans and feel like he will

1635
01:12:33,434 --> 01:12:36,194
Speaker 3: bring in a better coaching staff. Feel like with Ben

1636
01:12:36,554 --> 01:12:39,114
Speaker 3: the Crafts would sell a lot more on why he

1637
01:12:39,194 --> 01:12:41,754
Speaker 3: should be in Boston. With a disaster of a roster,

1638
01:12:42,474 --> 01:12:46,514
Speaker 3: maybe Gonzo may Gonzo, an all pro schooler, will not

1639
01:12:46,634 --> 01:12:49,594
Speaker 3: be good enough compared to a team like Chicago. Also

1640
01:12:49,714 --> 01:12:52,114
Speaker 3: side note, Fred is right, the league is better when

1641
01:12:52,194 --> 01:12:56,274
Speaker 3: Baker Mayfield is playing well. Let Baker bake this weekend.

1642
01:12:56,714 --> 01:12:57,434
Speaker 5: I love that one.

1643
01:12:58,194 --> 01:12:58,794
Speaker 4: Baker Bake.

1644
01:12:59,074 --> 01:13:01,234
Speaker 5: Yeah. I had a little poll going in the postgame

1645
01:13:01,314 --> 01:13:05,874
Speaker 5: show about how most people were pissed off that they

1646
01:13:05,954 --> 01:13:10,634
Speaker 5: had won the game and then went side at about

1647
01:13:10,634 --> 01:13:11,234
Speaker 5: five o'clock.

1648
01:13:11,354 --> 01:13:15,874
Speaker 6: Do you think that you just said it like the

1649
01:13:16,314 --> 01:13:21,594
Speaker 6: hastiness of the announcement with Gerrod Mayo after the team

1650
01:13:21,674 --> 01:13:26,514
Speaker 6: basically just got an earfull for win the game on Sunday,

1651
01:13:26,554 --> 01:13:28,714
Speaker 6: Do you guys think that that had any thing to

1652
01:13:28,794 --> 01:13:31,474
Speaker 6: do with how quickly that announcement came down, Because that

1653
01:13:31,514 --> 01:13:32,274
Speaker 6: announcement was.

1654
01:13:32,394 --> 01:13:34,114
Speaker 5: I'm not here, I'm not here to rule that out.

1655
01:13:34,474 --> 01:13:37,114
Speaker 6: We came up to the press box after open locker

1656
01:13:37,194 --> 01:13:39,874
Speaker 6: room and everything like that, and I remember I was

1657
01:13:40,394 --> 01:13:42,834
Speaker 6: walking to go use the restroom and all of a

1658
01:13:42,834 --> 01:13:46,634
Speaker 6: sudden I just heard this, like like roar in the

1659
01:13:46,754 --> 01:13:47,794
Speaker 6: press box, just like.

1660
01:13:47,874 --> 01:13:49,994
Speaker 5: Oh wow, are you up in the press box at that?

1661
01:13:52,314 --> 01:13:57,634
Speaker 6: And I actually saw the Yeah, I actually saw Mark Daniels.

1662
01:13:57,874 --> 01:14:00,074
Speaker 6: And I looked at Mark Daniels and I was like,

1663
01:14:00,514 --> 01:14:02,674
Speaker 6: you might want to get back to your computer. And

1664
01:14:03,234 --> 01:14:04,754
Speaker 6: he was like, what do you mean why? And I

1665
01:14:05,114 --> 01:14:08,194
Speaker 6: told him why and he just took off. He didn't

1666
01:14:08,194 --> 01:14:08,874
Speaker 6: even look at me.

1667
01:14:08,994 --> 01:14:12,394
Speaker 5: It just took Off's the worst feeling, yeah, because you

1668
01:14:12,434 --> 01:14:13,954
Speaker 5: think you got X amount of work to do and

1669
01:14:14,074 --> 01:14:15,834
Speaker 5: suddenly you realize.

1670
01:14:15,914 --> 01:14:17,634
Speaker 4: Imagine what the paper would have been like that night.

1671
01:14:19,154 --> 01:14:22,234
Speaker 3: Back in the day. You'd run to the pay phone right,

1672
01:14:22,634 --> 01:14:24,914
Speaker 3: drop it down and stop the presses, stop the presses,

1673
01:14:25,674 --> 01:14:28,154
Speaker 3: Dan Wrights, is there any way we could convince Rabel

1674
01:14:28,514 --> 01:14:30,834
Speaker 3: to be the GM footballs are and Ben Johnson the

1675
01:14:30,914 --> 01:14:35,794
Speaker 3: head coach? Is that an insane suggestion? Probably it's a

1676
01:14:35,834 --> 01:14:36,274
Speaker 3: fun one.

1677
01:14:36,434 --> 01:14:39,034
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, it's just a fun fact.

1678
01:14:39,234 --> 01:14:39,434
Speaker 11: Yeah.

1679
01:14:39,594 --> 01:14:42,634
Speaker 5: Yeah. So your whole theory about the win. I don't

1680
01:14:42,674 --> 01:14:45,114
Speaker 5: think they want winning the game had anything to do

1681
01:14:45,234 --> 01:14:48,594
Speaker 5: with why Gerard Mayo lock great job, agreed, But I

1682
01:14:48,634 --> 01:14:50,194
Speaker 5: don't completely dismiss.

1683
01:14:49,914 --> 01:14:54,434
Speaker 4: The uh yeah, the swiftness and you know what we're

1684
01:14:54,554 --> 01:14:54,874
Speaker 4: doing it.

1685
01:14:54,954 --> 01:14:57,034
Speaker 5: Now, like maybe they would, you know, like, I can't

1686
01:14:57,074 --> 01:14:58,194
Speaker 5: believe we just won that game.

1687
01:14:58,234 --> 01:14:58,514
Speaker 6: You know what.

1688
01:14:58,754 --> 01:15:01,274
Speaker 5: Now I'm not waiting till tomorrow to hear though, And

1689
01:15:01,314 --> 01:15:03,194
Speaker 5: I'm not saying that that's what happened, but you know,

1690
01:15:03,354 --> 01:15:06,034
Speaker 5: I can see, you can see that stranger things have happened.

1691
01:15:06,114 --> 01:15:06,874
Speaker 5: Let's put it that way.

1692
01:15:07,594 --> 01:15:10,073
Speaker 3: Brandon says. I want to give Evan and Barth props

1693
01:15:10,474 --> 01:15:13,194
Speaker 3: for their show yesterday. It was their best episode of

1694
01:15:13,274 --> 01:15:16,034
Speaker 3: Catch twenty two, Yeng, and I look forward to more

1695
01:15:16,114 --> 01:15:19,354
Speaker 3: of their offseason episodes, especially if Ben Johnson is somehow

1696
01:15:19,434 --> 01:15:21,874
Speaker 3: selected as eighth seed. What do you think made yesterday's

1697
01:15:21,914 --> 01:15:22,554
Speaker 3: show so good?

1698
01:15:22,834 --> 01:15:25,794
Speaker 5: So this listened to a little bit we weren't so

1699
01:15:26,274 --> 01:15:26,874
Speaker 5: getting after it.

1700
01:15:26,994 --> 01:15:30,834
Speaker 6: I would say that these are our two philosophies on football,

1701
01:15:31,474 --> 01:15:34,834
Speaker 6: manifested in two different people like that now just so

1702
01:15:35,034 --> 01:15:37,914
Speaker 6: happened to be candidates to be the Patriots next head coach.

1703
01:15:38,874 --> 01:15:42,474
Speaker 6: So normally we argue about like Kyle Shanahan, which is

1704
01:15:42,594 --> 01:15:44,794
Speaker 6: like irrelevant really in the grand scheme of things with

1705
01:15:44,874 --> 01:15:47,514
Speaker 6: the Patriots. But now that the Patriots could hire their

1706
01:15:47,594 --> 01:15:50,434
Speaker 6: Kyle Shanahan, I'm all hot and bothered by that. And

1707
01:15:50,594 --> 01:15:53,274
Speaker 6: he's got his football guy and Mike Rabel that's going

1708
01:15:53,314 --> 01:15:55,714
Speaker 6: to come in and you know, run the program, and

1709
01:15:55,874 --> 01:15:57,954
Speaker 6: I know all that kind of stuff, and so he's

1710
01:15:57,994 --> 01:16:00,674
Speaker 6: hot and bothered by that, and so it's just a

1711
01:16:00,794 --> 01:16:03,554
Speaker 6: perfect debate between the two of us. And I think

1712
01:16:03,594 --> 01:16:05,874
Speaker 6: the fun most fun part about it was that we

1713
01:16:06,074 --> 01:16:08,834
Speaker 6: both like both guys, So it's not like we would

1714
01:16:09,114 --> 01:16:11,994
Speaker 6: be super upset if it wasn't our guy that gets hired.

1715
01:16:12,114 --> 01:16:13,714
Speaker 6: But you know, we can go to the mat with

1716
01:16:13,794 --> 01:16:14,354
Speaker 6: him still too.

1717
01:16:14,834 --> 01:16:16,474
Speaker 3: I don't think we should get too far ahead of

1718
01:16:16,514 --> 01:16:19,994
Speaker 3: ourselves by worrying about Rabel's OC getting taken away from

1719
01:16:20,074 --> 01:16:23,394
Speaker 3: us after a year or two. Obviously that wouldn't be ideal,

1720
01:16:23,594 --> 01:16:26,274
Speaker 3: and acknowledge it's a concern, but I don't think Rabel

1721
01:16:26,274 --> 01:16:28,554
Speaker 3: should hire someone based on whether or not they'll be

1722
01:16:28,634 --> 01:16:31,314
Speaker 3: here long term. If we end up churning through OC's,

1723
01:16:31,394 --> 01:16:34,234
Speaker 3: hopefully it's a sign that our offense is elite and

1724
01:16:34,354 --> 01:16:36,074
Speaker 3: our program is strong. Good point.

1725
01:16:37,394 --> 01:16:39,914
Speaker 6: But yeah, yeah, I like that was Alex's point yesterday.

1726
01:16:39,954 --> 01:16:41,914
Speaker 6: It was just you know, just like Bill, did you

1727
01:16:42,354 --> 01:16:44,394
Speaker 6: start a pipeline? You know, it's Charlie Weiss and then

1728
01:16:44,434 --> 01:16:47,314
Speaker 6: it's Josh McDaniels and it's Bill O'Brien and all that

1729
01:16:47,474 --> 01:16:51,114
Speaker 6: type of thing. But that was I think very rare

1730
01:16:51,474 --> 01:16:54,234
Speaker 6: and led by Brady. But obviously if you can pull

1731
01:16:54,314 --> 01:16:55,194
Speaker 6: that off, you pull it off.

1732
01:16:55,674 --> 01:16:55,914
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1733
01:16:56,114 --> 01:17:01,154
Speaker 5: It's also I think in the modern game, to use

1734
01:17:01,234 --> 01:17:04,914
Speaker 5: Fred's thing from earlier, I think that those things happened

1735
01:17:04,954 --> 01:17:08,754
Speaker 5: faster now. You know, it was you know, four years

1736
01:17:08,834 --> 01:17:11,914
Speaker 5: of Charlie Weiss with Brady before Charlie Weiss left, and

1737
01:17:11,994 --> 01:17:16,154
Speaker 5: then it's you know, six seven years of McDaniels before

1738
01:17:16,194 --> 01:17:18,354
Speaker 5: he left, and then you had Billy Oh for another

1739
01:17:18,714 --> 01:17:21,154
Speaker 5: three four years before you then all of a sudden,

1740
01:17:23,154 --> 01:17:25,074
Speaker 5: you don't have as you know, as much time to

1741
01:17:25,234 --> 01:17:27,594
Speaker 5: groom those people behind the scenes. Now, they should have

1742
01:17:27,674 --> 01:17:32,354
Speaker 5: had somebody ready to go when McDaniels left the second time. Yeah,

1743
01:17:32,514 --> 01:17:35,674
Speaker 5: that's a misstep on Belichick's part in my opinion, if

1744
01:17:35,674 --> 01:17:38,154
Speaker 5: they should have had someone, but like they started to

1745
01:17:38,274 --> 01:17:40,474
Speaker 5: leave quicker, and I think if you look around the

1746
01:17:40,554 --> 01:17:44,274
Speaker 5: league now, people start, you know, you have a couple

1747
01:17:44,314 --> 01:17:47,274
Speaker 5: of really good years. If some if Nick Keyley came

1748
01:17:47,354 --> 01:17:50,474
Speaker 5: here to be Vabel's offensive coordinator and has two good years,

1749
01:17:50,554 --> 01:17:52,594
Speaker 5: he's gone, someone's going to hire him.

1750
01:17:52,994 --> 01:17:53,154
Speaker 4: You know.

1751
01:17:53,234 --> 01:17:56,474
Speaker 5: You see, like Bobby Slowick last year came out of nowhere.

1752
01:17:56,554 --> 01:17:59,434
Speaker 5: He was getting interviews. Even with a subpar year and

1753
01:17:59,554 --> 01:18:04,874
Speaker 5: year two with Stroud, he's still kind of in the cycle. Yeah, cycle,

1754
01:18:04,954 --> 01:18:07,354
Speaker 5: it's probably the I was gonna use Fred Zeitgeist, but

1755
01:18:07,634 --> 01:18:11,314
Speaker 5: you know, cycle. Yeah, I just wonder if this happens

1756
01:18:11,394 --> 01:18:13,154
Speaker 5: fast now, I wonder what would.

1757
01:18:12,994 --> 01:18:17,914
Speaker 6: Have happened, And and Bill, I'm sure knows. I'm sure

1758
01:18:17,994 --> 01:18:20,234
Speaker 6: I know Bill knows better than all of us about

1759
01:18:20,314 --> 01:18:22,794
Speaker 6: Nick Keyley, But like, what would have really happened if

1760
01:18:22,834 --> 01:18:24,874
Speaker 6: they had given the offense to Nick Keley in twenty

1761
01:18:24,914 --> 01:18:27,914
Speaker 6: twenty too? And what he was he really that far

1762
01:18:28,034 --> 01:18:30,674
Speaker 6: away from being ready because he was on the staff

1763
01:18:30,714 --> 01:18:32,954
Speaker 6: for a while, you know, at that point, I want

1764
01:18:32,954 --> 01:18:34,754
Speaker 6: to say it was four or five years that he

1765
01:18:34,914 --> 01:18:37,194
Speaker 6: was already on the staff and he was coaching tight ends,

1766
01:18:37,194 --> 01:18:41,194
Speaker 6: which is a usual pipeline to offensive coordinator. And it

1767
01:18:41,354 --> 01:18:43,074
Speaker 6: was just interesting, you know, if he had handed it

1768
01:18:43,154 --> 01:18:45,074
Speaker 6: over to ni Achille in twenty two would have been

1769
01:18:45,194 --> 01:18:46,194
Speaker 6: that much of a disaster.

1770
01:18:46,434 --> 01:18:48,634
Speaker 4: I think too, with these comments about the last four

1771
01:18:48,754 --> 01:18:51,954
Speaker 4: years from Bill thinking about it now, it makes a

1772
01:18:51,994 --> 01:18:53,794
Speaker 4: little bit more sense to me some of the stuff

1773
01:18:53,834 --> 01:18:56,514
Speaker 4: we speculated of him doing things out of spite of

1774
01:18:56,594 --> 01:18:58,674
Speaker 4: being like, well that's how you want to do it, Okay,

1775
01:18:58,874 --> 01:19:00,634
Speaker 4: we'll do it that way. You know, some of those

1776
01:19:00,634 --> 01:19:02,514
Speaker 4: things never really ran true. But now that you see

1777
01:19:02,554 --> 01:19:04,794
Speaker 4: Bill clearly points the line going back all the way

1778
01:19:04,834 --> 01:19:07,514
Speaker 4: to twenty twenty, a lot of those decisions now make

1779
01:19:07,554 --> 01:19:09,234
Speaker 4: a little bit, like make a little bit more sense

1780
01:19:09,274 --> 01:19:10,794
Speaker 4: to me. I can find it a little bit more

1781
01:19:10,834 --> 01:19:13,754
Speaker 4: believable that he was, you know, being obtuse about things

1782
01:19:13,834 --> 01:19:16,754
Speaker 4: and like, you know, making decisions that maybe weren't necessarily

1783
01:19:16,834 --> 01:19:18,874
Speaker 4: what he thinks is best for the football team, but

1784
01:19:19,074 --> 01:19:20,594
Speaker 4: he was kind of just doing it to do it

1785
01:19:20,634 --> 01:19:22,754
Speaker 4: because you know, in his view that's what they wanted

1786
01:19:22,834 --> 01:19:24,354
Speaker 4: him to do or you know how they want to

1787
01:19:24,394 --> 01:19:24,514
Speaker 4: do it.

1788
01:19:24,634 --> 01:19:28,634
Speaker 5: That's silly, right, Like who other than him wanted Mat

1789
01:19:28,754 --> 01:19:32,474
Speaker 5: Patricia to be the offensive coordinator? Matt Patricia didn't want

1790
01:19:32,514 --> 01:19:35,754
Speaker 5: to be the offensive coordinator. He took a bullet for

1791
01:19:35,794 --> 01:19:39,954
Speaker 5: the coach. We owe gratitude and you just say, really,

1792
01:19:39,954 --> 01:19:41,954
Speaker 5: I'd rather have you just say thank you and beyond

1793
01:19:41,994 --> 01:19:42,194
Speaker 5: with it.

1794
01:19:42,354 --> 01:19:47,314
Speaker 3: Right some day, Ray and Saint Louis, do you all

1795
01:19:47,354 --> 01:19:49,994
Speaker 3: feel there was a different reaction from players compared to

1796
01:19:50,074 --> 01:19:52,754
Speaker 3: when we let Bill go. Last year seems like they

1797
01:19:52,794 --> 01:19:55,754
Speaker 3: had Gerard's back more as compared to Bill. What do

1798
01:19:55,834 --> 01:19:59,113
Speaker 3: you think not now, you guys, I disagree, you guys.

1799
01:19:59,234 --> 01:20:01,514
Speaker 4: Well, it's hard because you had an open locker room

1800
01:20:01,554 --> 01:20:03,434
Speaker 4: after Jerra was fired and we didn't really get to

1801
01:20:03,554 --> 01:20:08,474
Speaker 4: talk to any of the patriots. Got absolutely absolutely correct,

1802
01:20:08,714 --> 01:20:11,354
Speaker 4: it would have gotten I think I don't.

1803
01:20:11,554 --> 01:20:14,794
Speaker 5: I actually thought the reaction was kind of lukewarm on Monday.

1804
01:20:17,634 --> 01:20:20,234
Speaker 5: I mean I thought there were some people that sort

1805
01:20:20,274 --> 01:20:22,474
Speaker 5: of just said, well, that's the business that we're in,

1806
01:20:22,634 --> 01:20:25,154
Speaker 5: and that's I know what happens. I thought David Andrew

1807
01:20:25,394 --> 01:20:26,794
Speaker 5: was pretty matter of fact about it.

1808
01:20:26,914 --> 01:20:29,114
Speaker 4: He was, he definitely would. I mean he just seen what.

1809
01:20:29,314 --> 01:20:31,914
Speaker 5: Godshaw was pretty I thought Dietrich wise on the it

1810
01:20:32,074 --> 01:20:34,114
Speaker 5: was was one that was, you know, he deserved more

1811
01:20:34,194 --> 01:20:38,434
Speaker 5: like someone killed his daughter. Yeah, but I didn't. I

1812
01:20:38,874 --> 01:20:40,874
Speaker 5: think Mike makes a great point. We didn't get that

1813
01:20:41,314 --> 01:20:41,594
Speaker 5: in that.

1814
01:20:41,754 --> 01:20:44,354
Speaker 4: Locker room with Bill, which was unfettered access, and I

1815
01:20:44,434 --> 01:20:46,514
Speaker 4: mean that was you know, I think last year they

1816
01:20:46,554 --> 01:20:49,354
Speaker 4: wrote a like didn't Andrew Callahan and Doug Kyde wrote

1817
01:20:49,354 --> 01:20:52,394
Speaker 4: a postseason kind of analysis like they did this year.

1818
01:20:52,434 --> 01:20:54,194
Speaker 4: But you didn't have a chance to just walk through

1819
01:20:54,194 --> 01:20:55,794
Speaker 4: the locker room and have all those guys just sitting

1820
01:20:55,794 --> 01:20:57,674
Speaker 4: there at the ready waiting, and there are plenty of

1821
01:20:57,674 --> 01:21:00,153
Speaker 4: those conversations going on on the side beside the scrums

1822
01:21:00,194 --> 01:21:01,674
Speaker 4: that you know, we were all part of.

1823
01:21:01,954 --> 01:21:04,514
Speaker 6: It was definitely bizarre to go into a locker room

1824
01:21:04,554 --> 01:21:07,074
Speaker 6: where there wasn't a head coach that was in charge,

1825
01:21:07,394 --> 01:21:09,114
Speaker 6: and it did kind of feel a little bit like

1826
01:21:09,234 --> 01:21:11,834
Speaker 6: the wild wild West, like you know, these guys could

1827
01:21:11,874 --> 01:21:14,074
Speaker 6: say anything like there's nobody in charge, like you know,

1828
01:21:14,114 --> 01:21:14,874
Speaker 6: there's nobody.

1829
01:21:14,754 --> 01:21:17,034
Speaker 5: They said everything when someone was in che I know,

1830
01:21:17,194 --> 01:21:19,994
Speaker 5: so now there's nobody in charge of it, even you know,

1831
01:21:20,354 --> 01:21:21,234
Speaker 5: even worse.

1832
01:21:21,914 --> 01:21:25,314
Speaker 3: Joe has it. Would you rather two options? Option A

1833
01:21:26,154 --> 01:21:29,794
Speaker 3: is head coach Rabel oh C is Josh McCown, d

1834
01:21:29,994 --> 01:21:35,154
Speaker 3: C is Shane Bowen. Option B head coach is Ben Johnson,

1835
01:21:35,594 --> 01:21:37,754
Speaker 3: oh C is Mark Brunell, and d C is lou

1836
01:21:37,834 --> 01:21:38,394
Speaker 3: Ana Romo.

1837
01:21:40,034 --> 01:21:40,874
Speaker 6: Both good options.

1838
01:21:41,034 --> 01:21:43,714
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like both options, very well thought out.

1839
01:21:43,914 --> 01:21:45,834
Speaker 6: Shane Bowen is not going to be the DC, but

1840
01:21:46,354 --> 01:21:47,714
Speaker 6: he's the giant, right Yeah.

1841
01:21:48,194 --> 01:21:50,554
Speaker 5: But I don't need d Yeah, like I don't need

1842
01:21:50,794 --> 01:21:54,354
Speaker 5: you know, necessarily like a louted.

1843
01:21:55,394 --> 01:21:57,034
Speaker 4: He's a pretty good defensive heart out. He was in

1844
01:21:57,114 --> 01:21:59,834
Speaker 4: the in the hard notch this summer with with the giants,

1845
01:21:59,914 --> 01:22:00,994
Speaker 4: and you know they I.

1846
01:22:00,994 --> 01:22:04,034
Speaker 5: Would probably take b I would probably take Ben Johnson,

1847
01:22:05,074 --> 01:22:09,314
Speaker 5: but not you know, those are good. Those are both good.

1848
01:22:09,154 --> 01:22:10,474
Speaker 6: Options, Like I like to.

1849
01:22:11,994 --> 01:22:12,594
Speaker 5: Well thought out.

1850
01:22:13,074 --> 01:22:20,834
Speaker 3: Another email comes in. Who's this from? Jay? All Right? First,

1851
01:22:20,874 --> 01:22:23,114
Speaker 3: I wanted to ask if you also think Phil Perry

1852
01:22:23,514 --> 01:22:26,114
Speaker 3: kind of looks like Andy bighead but with a smaller head.

1853
01:22:26,754 --> 01:22:31,194
Speaker 5: No, Phil is striking, He's a strikingly handsome man. Andy's not.

1854
01:22:33,314 --> 01:22:37,594
Speaker 3: Taken by Andy. The women he had his followers.

1855
01:22:37,674 --> 01:22:39,954
Speaker 5: Oh, I don't know who that be. I know Bill Perry,

1856
01:22:40,674 --> 01:22:41,514
Speaker 5: I know Phil Perry.

1857
01:22:41,754 --> 01:22:42,274
Speaker 4: He's a type.

1858
01:22:42,354 --> 01:22:46,434
Speaker 6: He's got a type, our own mob Phil Perry.

1859
01:22:47,274 --> 01:22:47,514
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1860
01:22:47,634 --> 01:22:49,994
Speaker 3: Well, she also thought that Mike Giardi was the best

1861
01:22:50,034 --> 01:22:51,074
Speaker 3: smelling guy on the beat.

1862
01:22:51,194 --> 01:22:57,074
Speaker 5: But I can I can confirm. But yeah, I don't

1863
01:22:57,234 --> 01:23:00,274
Speaker 5: necessarily think they look I mean, first of all, Andy's

1864
01:23:00,314 --> 01:23:03,714
Speaker 5: half the size. Phil's tall, and.

1865
01:23:03,754 --> 01:23:04,434
Speaker 4: He's pretty jacked.

1866
01:23:04,474 --> 01:23:07,194
Speaker 6: I mean, he's probably just keep smelling it now.

1867
01:23:09,794 --> 01:23:12,914
Speaker 3: Jay also says I hate Time six, double hate and

1868
01:23:13,114 --> 01:23:16,834
Speaker 3: loathe entirely the idea of Josh McDaniel's coming back to

1869
01:23:16,914 --> 01:23:19,994
Speaker 3: be the OC it's just another retread, and one would

1870
01:23:20,074 --> 01:23:23,474
Speaker 3: think Rabel, the leading candidate, seemingly would have more options

1871
01:23:23,554 --> 01:23:27,274
Speaker 3: and options with more innovative new concepts to take advantage

1872
01:23:27,314 --> 01:23:30,274
Speaker 3: of Drake May's skill. Also, if Rabel is the coach,

1873
01:23:30,394 --> 01:23:33,234
Speaker 3: I could really see them drafting Will Campbell. He seems

1874
01:23:33,314 --> 01:23:35,314
Speaker 3: like the type of player right up his alley. He

1875
01:23:35,394 --> 01:23:38,954
Speaker 3: could also see them signing someone in free agency, uh

1876
01:23:40,034 --> 01:23:41,394
Speaker 3: something for Evan.

1877
01:23:42,034 --> 01:23:46,034
Speaker 6: Sodo sign one draft one. Oh, that's what that means,

1878
01:23:46,074 --> 01:23:48,994
Speaker 6: sign a tackle, draft to tackle. Okay, Yeah, because we were,

1879
01:23:49,114 --> 01:23:52,434
Speaker 6: you know, no half measures at the tackles a corps

1880
01:23:52,474 --> 01:23:54,754
Speaker 6: for you know, so like, let's actually go out there

1881
01:23:54,834 --> 01:23:57,554
Speaker 6: and let's let's address the position.

1882
01:23:58,234 --> 01:24:02,314
Speaker 3: He says. Wyatt Millum is another interesting prospect, but I

1883
01:24:02,354 --> 01:24:04,714
Speaker 3: can't see them taking tackles in the first two rounds.

1884
01:24:05,474 --> 01:24:05,994
Speaker 6: Okay.

1885
01:24:06,194 --> 01:24:08,954
Speaker 5: I do like your thought of Rabel leaning toward.

1886
01:24:08,754 --> 01:24:12,554
Speaker 4: A tackle, especially a kid like that wou attitude.

1887
01:24:12,634 --> 01:24:14,394
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I would say Ben Johnson would do the same.

1888
01:24:14,474 --> 01:24:17,634
Speaker 6: Like Ben Johnson, I am sure knows that what butters

1889
01:24:17,714 --> 01:24:20,434
Speaker 6: his bread and in Detroit is that offensive line and

1890
01:24:20,674 --> 01:24:23,554
Speaker 6: Penny sewell in that whole group. So I would be

1891
01:24:23,594 --> 01:24:25,434
Speaker 6: shocked if Ben Johnson came in here and I was like,

1892
01:24:25,554 --> 01:24:27,794
Speaker 6: do what I really need a wide receiver? Like I

1893
01:24:28,034 --> 01:24:29,954
Speaker 6: don't think that he would be that way at all.

1894
01:24:30,314 --> 01:24:33,274
Speaker 3: Travis in West Virginia Wright sin fred Ace ticket was

1895
01:24:33,314 --> 01:24:36,474
Speaker 3: pretty self explanatory. But I have no idea what TPX is,

1896
01:24:36,594 --> 01:24:40,073
Speaker 3: and you've never specified. They make phones and communications systems.

1897
01:24:41,474 --> 01:24:47,114
Speaker 3: So on all our desks they're TPX phones. That's nobody uses.

1898
01:24:47,394 --> 01:24:49,274
Speaker 3: Does anybody in companies use their desk phone?

1899
01:24:49,314 --> 01:24:51,194
Speaker 4: And I got to call the other day one anymore?

1900
01:24:51,274 --> 01:24:53,874
Speaker 3: I get messages but they're from like nonsense.

1901
01:24:54,074 --> 01:24:57,314
Speaker 5: Well I I can't retrieve my messages.

1902
01:24:57,474 --> 01:24:59,994
Speaker 3: I don't know how, but it's got to. It is

1903
01:25:00,074 --> 01:25:03,314
Speaker 3: a symbol, literally, it's a it's a mail and I.

1904
01:25:03,394 --> 01:25:04,034
Speaker 5: And I get to that.

1905
01:25:04,394 --> 01:25:07,074
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't have a pin code.

1906
01:25:07,154 --> 01:25:09,634
Speaker 5: I thought I did, but I evidently it's not the

1907
01:25:09,674 --> 01:25:12,954
Speaker 5: same as it was. Okay, so I did. It was

1908
01:25:12,994 --> 01:25:14,594
Speaker 5: striking because I got a call.

1909
01:25:15,274 --> 01:25:17,074
Speaker 3: So you have to set your new phone up. You

1910
01:25:17,194 --> 01:25:18,394
Speaker 3: never set your new phone up.

1911
01:25:18,714 --> 01:25:20,714
Speaker 5: What are you going to do? As you said the.

1912
01:25:20,794 --> 01:25:23,754
Speaker 3: Inanettront, I don't think you need it. And then it

1913
01:25:23,874 --> 01:25:24,554
Speaker 3: has a list of.

1914
01:25:24,674 --> 01:25:28,114
Speaker 5: Got to call Alabama the all the other day and hello,

1915
01:25:28,234 --> 01:25:30,514
Speaker 5: this is Paul. I can't remember the last time I

1916
01:25:30,554 --> 01:25:31,194
Speaker 5: took a call.

1917
01:25:31,074 --> 01:25:32,634
Speaker 4: On when it rings and you're like, what is that

1918
01:25:32,954 --> 01:25:33,354
Speaker 4: my phone?

1919
01:25:33,754 --> 01:25:36,034
Speaker 3: Is it? Who's the coach over in Alabama?

1920
01:25:36,114 --> 01:25:39,554
Speaker 5: Now the boorka Kok?

1921
01:25:40,514 --> 01:25:41,434
Speaker 3: Is that him calling you?

1922
01:25:41,954 --> 01:25:41,994
Speaker 5: No?

1923
01:25:42,114 --> 01:25:44,554
Speaker 4: It was the radio show some recommendations about coach.

1924
01:25:44,714 --> 01:25:48,113
Speaker 5: Big Patriots fan producer, one of the shows down in Alabama.

1925
01:25:48,154 --> 01:25:50,274
Speaker 5: I wanted to I wanted to get my take on

1926
01:25:52,634 --> 01:25:53,314
Speaker 5: No High Tide.

1927
01:25:54,594 --> 01:25:58,714
Speaker 3: Also, Travis says, also, will you be issuing a written

1928
01:25:58,794 --> 01:26:03,114
Speaker 3: statement about massimists similar to the one mister crapout my own?

1929
01:26:04,034 --> 01:26:07,594
Speaker 3: That's that's terrible. That's terrible.

1930
01:26:07,794 --> 01:26:09,594
Speaker 4: I put that in a terrible position.

1931
01:26:12,514 --> 01:26:21,434
Speaker 3: Position, that's great. I should do a fake that just

1932
01:26:21,514 --> 01:26:23,914
Speaker 3: kind of leave it on the copy machine downstairs for

1933
01:26:24,034 --> 01:26:24,634
Speaker 3: him to find.

1934
01:26:26,674 --> 01:26:29,674
Speaker 5: That's gonna that's gonna leave a market. That's awesome.

1935
01:26:29,874 --> 01:26:31,594
Speaker 6: Fred is the steward of the most games.

1936
01:26:31,674 --> 01:26:35,434
Speaker 5: There's your email of the week, Alex. That's awesome.

1937
01:26:36,314 --> 01:26:40,634
Speaker 3: That's funny. All right, Oh, a couple more calls. We

1938
01:26:41,074 --> 01:26:43,674
Speaker 3: don't really have to hurry too much. We are going

1939
01:26:43,754 --> 01:26:47,554
Speaker 3: to do a couple of bonus touts the college games.

1940
01:26:48,754 --> 01:26:50,314
Speaker 3: You know what I mean by that, Paul, I do

1941
01:26:50,434 --> 01:26:50,954
Speaker 3: know what you mean.

1942
01:26:51,034 --> 01:26:52,794
Speaker 5: I just am not really prepared to make picks.

1943
01:26:52,874 --> 01:26:55,754
Speaker 3: But just go with it at all. Not really you're

1944
01:26:55,754 --> 01:26:56,274
Speaker 3: not into it.

1945
01:26:56,634 --> 01:26:57,874
Speaker 5: Oh, I'm into it. I just don't know.

1946
01:26:58,594 --> 01:27:01,554
Speaker 3: Oh for the college, it's two games for the college.

1947
01:27:01,674 --> 01:27:04,194
Speaker 5: For the college, I'll give it a college try.

1948
01:27:04,714 --> 01:27:06,314
Speaker 6: You'll be fine.

1949
01:27:06,434 --> 01:27:07,794
Speaker 3: You never lose college picks.

1950
01:27:08,394 --> 01:27:10,194
Speaker 5: I'm not writing them down anyway, so it doesn't matter.

1951
01:27:10,394 --> 01:27:15,874
Speaker 3: A couple a couple of bonus touts on today's picks. Oh,

1952
01:27:15,954 --> 01:27:19,074
Speaker 3: by the way, on one of your shows, Evan, the

1953
01:27:19,834 --> 01:27:24,554
Speaker 3: Saturday Morning Show at seven with with Kendrick Millerton and.

1954
01:27:26,234 --> 01:27:27,514
Speaker 6: And Dan my boy dad.

1955
01:27:27,674 --> 01:27:30,794
Speaker 3: Yeah, they got into it. They got it like right

1956
01:27:30,874 --> 01:27:33,634
Speaker 3: off the back, so disrespectful. They got into this big

1957
01:27:33,834 --> 01:27:37,954
Speaker 3: argument for like twenty minutes about what about, you know,

1958
01:27:38,074 --> 01:27:40,834
Speaker 3: making fun of when the other person has a bad

1959
01:27:40,914 --> 01:27:43,514
Speaker 3: week or a bad pick, not taking victory laps.

1960
01:27:44,114 --> 01:27:44,514
Speaker 4: And he.

1961
01:27:46,114 --> 01:27:49,034
Speaker 3: He said, okay, the gloves are off. She thought it

1962
01:27:49,154 --> 01:27:51,354
Speaker 3: was done, but then he went on Twitter and made

1963
01:27:51,394 --> 01:27:55,154
Speaker 3: fun of her, and and so they went back and forth.

1964
01:27:55,474 --> 01:27:58,554
Speaker 3: It was it was they don't they don't think they

1965
01:27:58,714 --> 01:27:59,274
Speaker 3: like each other.

1966
01:27:59,474 --> 01:28:02,274
Speaker 6: So they I'm pretty sure that they're friends, but now

1967
01:28:02,394 --> 01:28:03,153
Speaker 6: maybe they've.

1968
01:28:02,954 --> 01:28:04,994
Speaker 3: Had well they said they love each other. But I

1969
01:28:05,114 --> 01:28:07,914
Speaker 3: think it was a kind of like professional colleague love,

1970
01:28:08,434 --> 01:28:10,514
Speaker 3: you know what I mean? Yeah, no, but I mean

1971
01:28:10,594 --> 01:28:12,474
Speaker 3: not his friends. Not his friends.

1972
01:28:13,154 --> 01:28:15,954
Speaker 6: Yeah. I don't catch that show all the time because

1973
01:28:16,234 --> 01:28:16,834
Speaker 6: that's one of your.

1974
01:28:16,834 --> 01:28:18,514
Speaker 5: Showy morning Saturday morning.

1975
01:28:18,634 --> 01:28:21,394
Speaker 3: Well, I'm driving to tennis on Saturday.

1976
01:28:22,954 --> 01:28:23,234
Speaker 6: I am.

1977
01:28:24,034 --> 01:28:30,074
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's Freddy. I like play tennis. He can play tennis.

1978
01:28:30,114 --> 01:28:31,914
Speaker 6: I like it when he brings the racket on the road.

1979
01:28:33,034 --> 01:28:33,674
Speaker 3: I did that once.

1980
01:28:34,114 --> 01:28:35,554
Speaker 6: No, you didn't you bring it to Arizona?

1981
01:28:35,674 --> 01:28:37,074
Speaker 3: Oh yeah right yeah last year?

1982
01:28:37,154 --> 01:28:39,634
Speaker 5: Yeah yeah yeah, And didn't you like by last year

1983
01:28:39,634 --> 01:28:40,474
Speaker 5: you mean like a month ago.

1984
01:28:40,594 --> 01:28:43,794
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, we went to Arizona, but Vegas. I brought

1985
01:28:43,834 --> 01:28:43,994
Speaker 3: it to.

1986
01:28:44,354 --> 01:28:46,714
Speaker 6: Okay, But isn't there like an app where you can like.

1987
01:28:47,074 --> 01:28:49,434
Speaker 3: Like no, but I I call I. There probably is

1988
01:28:49,474 --> 01:28:51,554
Speaker 3: an app. Okay, Then I didn't use that. I just

1989
01:28:51,634 --> 01:28:53,834
Speaker 3: find a local club and see if I can book

1990
01:28:53,874 --> 01:28:55,954
Speaker 3: some time with the pro. Yeah, there you go.

1991
01:28:58,034 --> 01:29:00,434
Speaker 5: You're such a hard Oh I'm on the road. I

1992
01:29:00,514 --> 01:29:02,474
Speaker 5: have to call wherever I am and book some time

1993
01:29:02,554 --> 01:29:02,874
Speaker 5: with the pro.

1994
01:29:03,874 --> 01:29:05,194
Speaker 3: I going to play at home.

1995
01:29:05,274 --> 01:29:06,274
Speaker 5: You can book time with the pro.

1996
01:29:06,514 --> 01:29:07,474
Speaker 3: I do that as well.

1997
01:29:07,634 --> 01:29:09,714
Speaker 5: But I'm gonna be gone for a day and a half.

1998
01:29:09,754 --> 01:29:11,954
Speaker 3: I need to If I can't play on Saturday, I

1999
01:29:11,994 --> 01:29:13,234
Speaker 3: don't want to miss my Saturday.

2000
01:29:13,514 --> 01:29:15,474
Speaker 4: See when you brought your golf clubs, Paul, and you

2001
01:29:15,554 --> 01:29:16,994
Speaker 4: were going golf in one of these I.

2002
01:29:16,994 --> 01:29:19,194
Speaker 5: Would love to do that, but never did it once

2003
01:29:19,394 --> 01:29:19,994
Speaker 5: because I'm.

2004
01:29:19,874 --> 01:29:22,434
Speaker 6: Not a hard So do you you bring your own racket?

2005
01:29:22,914 --> 01:29:23,074
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2006
01:29:23,234 --> 01:29:24,434
Speaker 6: So do you check the racket?

2007
01:29:24,554 --> 01:29:24,594
Speaker 14: Like?

2008
01:29:24,634 --> 01:29:25,954
Speaker 6: Did they let you it under the plane?

2009
01:29:26,994 --> 01:29:28,994
Speaker 3: You saw me I had the bag, yeah, and it

2010
01:29:29,114 --> 01:29:29,874
Speaker 3: was a separate bag.

2011
01:29:29,954 --> 01:29:31,354
Speaker 6: Yeah. See that's the class system.

2012
01:29:31,434 --> 01:29:31,594
Speaker 16: You know.

2013
01:29:31,714 --> 01:29:33,794
Speaker 6: Fred gets to bring stuff and put it under the plane.

2014
01:29:33,834 --> 01:29:35,154
Speaker 5: Pretty sure they wouldn't let me bring.

2015
01:29:36,994 --> 01:29:39,074
Speaker 6: So I could. I could. I could bring a tennis

2016
01:29:39,154 --> 01:29:40,074
Speaker 6: dragging on the plane.

2017
01:29:40,314 --> 01:29:43,274
Speaker 3: You don't know tennis, because you know, you don't want

2018
01:29:43,314 --> 01:29:43,914
Speaker 3: to be made fun of.

2019
01:29:44,074 --> 01:29:48,674
Speaker 6: Yeah, I like a pickleball could fit in my bag

2020
01:29:48,754 --> 01:29:49,554
Speaker 6: that you could do it.

2021
01:29:50,034 --> 01:29:51,914
Speaker 3: I was trying to get Lucas Smith.

2022
01:29:52,194 --> 01:29:53,074
Speaker 5: Does he play tennis?

2023
01:29:53,514 --> 01:29:56,194
Speaker 3: He's a good he's a good actually played in high school.

2024
01:29:56,514 --> 01:29:58,354
Speaker 5: Oh that's right. I knew that. Yeah, I knew that.

2025
01:29:58,434 --> 01:30:00,674
Speaker 6: I could definitely see Lucas being a good golfer. That

2026
01:30:00,874 --> 01:30:01,274
Speaker 6: checks out.

2027
01:30:01,354 --> 01:30:04,074
Speaker 5: He's a pretty good golf Yeah, yeah, yeah, hits it

2028
01:30:04,154 --> 01:30:08,674
Speaker 5: a ton. Lucas Yeah, Lucas big hitter of the loamap,

2029
01:30:08,714 --> 01:30:12,354
Speaker 5: big big hitter.

2030
01:30:13,194 --> 01:30:15,674
Speaker 3: So we went to Top Golf two nights ago. I

2031
01:30:15,794 --> 01:30:19,434
Speaker 3: went to Top Top Golf and it was the international team.

2032
01:30:19,674 --> 01:30:21,194
Speaker 3: You know, the people that we have working on the

2033
01:30:21,234 --> 01:30:25,634
Speaker 3: international thing. We have some big hitters. Joe Durant can

2034
01:30:25,714 --> 01:30:31,314
Speaker 3: crush it. Kawhi are Brazilian, he could crush it. And

2035
01:30:31,394 --> 01:30:33,274
Speaker 3: then we had Marcus Kuhn who used.

2036
01:30:33,114 --> 01:30:35,194
Speaker 4: To play the villain.

2037
01:30:35,274 --> 01:30:38,354
Speaker 3: He was hitting it like it was the but I

2038
01:30:38,394 --> 01:30:40,434
Speaker 3: swear to god, it was going over the net onto

2039
01:30:40,554 --> 01:30:42,714
Speaker 3: the Road's the Top Golf.

2040
01:30:42,754 --> 01:30:45,234
Speaker 6: They get mad when you do that. You're not Yeah,

2041
01:30:45,274 --> 01:30:47,554
Speaker 6: they kick people out for doing that. Well he wasn't

2042
01:30:47,594 --> 01:30:49,914
Speaker 6: doing it, yeah, like over the net.

2043
01:30:49,994 --> 01:30:53,234
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean because you could cause an accident.

2044
01:30:52,954 --> 01:30:55,314
Speaker 5: Right, I'm not gonna lie. I went with Mike in

2045
01:30:55,434 --> 01:30:56,954
Speaker 5: my goal. The whole time I was trying to hit

2046
01:30:57,034 --> 01:30:59,474
Speaker 5: it over the back net. I hit, I hit a

2047
01:30:59,514 --> 01:31:01,074
Speaker 5: couple off the net, but I couldn't get one over

2048
01:31:01,274 --> 01:31:01,594
Speaker 5: this guy.

2049
01:31:01,834 --> 01:31:03,514
Speaker 3: I mean, it was like Herman Munster.

2050
01:31:03,914 --> 01:31:04,114
Speaker 4: It was.

2051
01:31:06,034 --> 01:31:06,994
Speaker 3: It was unbelieving him.

2052
01:31:07,234 --> 01:31:09,354
Speaker 4: I also imagine Kuhn had like twenty five beers. In

2053
01:31:09,434 --> 01:31:12,274
Speaker 4: him at that point? Is that guy were in Germany.

2054
01:31:11,994 --> 01:31:13,514
Speaker 3: Man, he was just going and.

2055
01:31:15,234 --> 01:31:18,594
Speaker 6: He could hit everybody there a Europeans So that checks out.

2056
01:31:18,674 --> 01:31:20,154
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, it's golfing.

2057
01:31:20,274 --> 01:31:25,074
Speaker 5: Yeah, so it sounds like a fun night. Yeah, we

2058
01:31:26,114 --> 01:31:29,234
Speaker 5: get you know, you'll get nothing to like it.

2059
01:31:31,954 --> 01:31:35,194
Speaker 3: Let's see, well, let's go to the phones. Uh, Kendalls

2060
01:31:35,234 --> 01:31:42,074
Speaker 3: in North Carolina trying again. What's up Kendall? Good? What's

2061
01:31:42,114 --> 01:31:42,834
Speaker 3: going on over there?

2062
01:31:44,834 --> 01:31:45,034
Speaker 9: Yeah?

2063
01:31:45,114 --> 01:31:48,954
Speaker 5: My question do you think, I mean, if Josh McDaniels

2064
01:31:49,154 --> 01:31:50,234
Speaker 5: is the higher, do you think.

2065
01:31:50,234 --> 01:31:54,154
Speaker 9: He could get the most out of the slot Josh McCain.

2066
01:31:54,514 --> 01:31:56,594
Speaker 3: Hey, I like the idea that he knows how to

2067
01:31:56,674 --> 01:31:58,154
Speaker 3: get production out of that pot.

2068
01:31:58,474 --> 01:32:01,514
Speaker 5: The idea of getting another slot receiver kind of agree.

2069
01:32:01,714 --> 01:32:03,554
Speaker 5: I kind of get someone that's better than.

2070
01:32:04,994 --> 01:32:08,634
Speaker 6: Ok meccabuka from Ohio State. There you go.

2071
01:32:09,314 --> 01:32:10,954
Speaker 5: I had no doubt that Evan would have the option.

2072
01:32:12,954 --> 01:32:14,434
Speaker 6: Yeah, Jansen two point zero?

2073
01:32:15,434 --> 01:32:18,914
Speaker 5: Ye, like, yeah, you want to get j s n Yeah,

2074
01:32:19,394 --> 01:32:22,114
Speaker 5: let's no. But no, I'm just saying, let's accentuate the slot.

2075
01:32:22,314 --> 01:32:25,234
Speaker 5: Like if we have to Mario Douglas, he's a complimentary peace.

2076
01:32:25,354 --> 01:32:26,634
Speaker 5: I don't need to accentuate him.

2077
01:32:27,074 --> 01:32:32,514
Speaker 3: I'll give the Chargers poke pop and born in.

2078
01:32:32,634 --> 01:32:37,714
Speaker 5: You don't want to ask for Herbert to good trade?

2079
01:32:37,794 --> 01:32:38,314
Speaker 6: Good trade.

2080
01:32:39,914 --> 01:32:41,794
Speaker 3: Nelson's in La. What's up Nelson?

2081
01:32:42,794 --> 01:32:43,074
Speaker 11: Oky?

2082
01:32:43,154 --> 01:32:43,714
Speaker 9: What's the guy?

2083
01:32:43,794 --> 01:32:44,434
Speaker 5: I want to say?

2084
01:32:44,434 --> 01:32:45,834
Speaker 9: I'm doing a wonderful y'all today?

2085
01:32:46,674 --> 01:32:50,154
Speaker 3: Happy you're always even though y'all hang up after I Curt,

2086
01:32:50,834 --> 01:32:52,874
Speaker 3: I don't care about it, you know, but I never

2087
01:32:52,874 --> 01:32:53,874
Speaker 3: forget my dad.

2088
01:32:56,314 --> 01:32:58,234
Speaker 4: I hope you're good up there, Nelson with the fires man.

2089
01:32:58,674 --> 01:33:01,434
Speaker 5: Yes, I'm away from all that right now.

2090
01:33:02,994 --> 01:33:05,354
Speaker 6: I forget it exactly.

2091
01:33:05,394 --> 01:33:06,194
Speaker 4: I know. Wonderful.

2092
01:33:07,074 --> 01:33:11,354
Speaker 3: Okay, Thanks, that's just called to apologize, alright, apology.

2093
01:33:11,514 --> 01:33:15,274
Speaker 5: We still love you. He's fired out and you know everybody, Yeah,

2094
01:33:15,394 --> 01:33:17,794
Speaker 5: everybody gets passionate and emotional.

2095
01:33:17,834 --> 01:33:21,554
Speaker 3: After the game. When you after that, you're hydrated. That's

2096
01:33:21,554 --> 01:33:23,874
Speaker 3: a good point too, Freddy yep.

2097
01:33:24,994 --> 01:33:25,074
Speaker 4: Uh.

2098
01:33:25,434 --> 01:33:26,394
Speaker 3: What else do we got here?

2099
01:33:28,314 --> 01:33:28,434
Speaker 5: Uh?

2100
01:33:28,874 --> 01:33:31,834
Speaker 3: Let's see Johann from Germany. What do you think about

2101
01:33:31,874 --> 01:33:34,514
Speaker 3: Cliff Kingsbury? He was a hot candidate and probably still is.

2102
01:33:34,634 --> 01:33:37,874
Speaker 3: What do you think Why is he not being talked

2103
01:33:37,914 --> 01:33:38,674
Speaker 3: about more so?

2104
01:33:38,874 --> 01:33:42,394
Speaker 6: I love I love Cliff Kingsbury. He gave a press

2105
01:33:42,554 --> 01:33:46,154
Speaker 6: conference last week or the week before that where he

2106
01:33:47,674 --> 01:33:51,354
Speaker 6: expressed maybe some patients and wanting to kind of wait

2107
01:33:51,394 --> 01:33:53,434
Speaker 6: it out a little bit longer for him to take

2108
01:33:53,714 --> 01:33:56,114
Speaker 6: another plunge at it at A and you know, obviously

2109
01:33:56,154 --> 01:33:58,714
Speaker 6: he's in a great situation with Jayden Daniels in Washington,

2110
01:33:59,314 --> 01:34:02,194
Speaker 6: so he's getting requests though. I think he two teams

2111
01:34:02,234 --> 01:34:05,314
Speaker 6: have very Chicago, which makes a ton of sense because

2112
01:34:05,314 --> 01:34:09,474
Speaker 6: he coached Caleb Williams at UILLC. Yeah, he's interested. You know,

2113
01:34:09,554 --> 01:34:11,474
Speaker 6: he's in the cycle. There's there's no doubt about it.

2114
01:34:11,514 --> 01:34:13,154
Speaker 6: But it might be next year for him.

2115
01:34:13,354 --> 01:34:14,794
Speaker 4: I mean that's your thing though, Like if you were

2116
01:34:14,954 --> 01:34:16,834
Speaker 4: Washington right now, when you be thinking like we got

2117
01:34:16,874 --> 01:34:18,994
Speaker 4: this guy maybe one more year, maybe two, a four, lucky,

2118
01:34:19,074 --> 01:34:20,834
Speaker 4: like you really got to start to plan that out

2119
01:34:20,914 --> 01:34:23,194
Speaker 4: and know that you're gonna need a succession plan.

2120
01:34:23,594 --> 01:34:25,554
Speaker 6: It's a perfect example because Dan quick And is a

2121
01:34:25,594 --> 01:34:28,674
Speaker 6: lot like Mike Rable, you know, defensive coach ra ra guy,

2122
01:34:29,234 --> 01:34:31,794
Speaker 6: and then you know he could circle through oh C's

2123
01:34:31,874 --> 01:34:33,354
Speaker 6: you know that that could be an issue for him.

2124
01:34:34,114 --> 01:34:35,874
Speaker 3: One more question then we're going to get to our

2125
01:34:35,954 --> 01:34:38,714
Speaker 3: pick segment. Ben in California, and this is a good one.

2126
01:34:38,794 --> 01:34:41,474
Speaker 3: I don't dismiss this question, Paul. I want you to

2127
01:34:41,554 --> 01:34:45,514
Speaker 3: think about it other than staffing. What's one question you

2128
01:34:45,554 --> 01:34:51,514
Speaker 3: would ask Mike Rabel in his interview, what's the one question?

2129
01:34:51,954 --> 01:34:55,034
Speaker 3: Not who are you going to bring with you? That's staffing,

2130
01:34:55,154 --> 01:34:57,794
Speaker 3: but what's the one question other than that, what's your

2131
01:34:57,794 --> 01:34:58,434
Speaker 3: plan for Drake?

2132
01:35:01,034 --> 01:35:04,474
Speaker 5: I would I would ask about discipline, discipline, like his

2133
01:35:04,714 --> 01:35:07,674
Speaker 5: thoughts on you know, how, how do you feel like

2134
01:35:07,794 --> 01:35:09,554
Speaker 5: you can treat the modern player?

2135
01:35:09,754 --> 01:35:11,034
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, that's a good one.

2136
01:35:11,594 --> 01:35:12,874
Speaker 4: That's a good one. It's like, I'm for it. I'm

2137
01:35:12,874 --> 01:35:13,554
Speaker 4: for discipline.

2138
01:35:13,634 --> 01:35:15,634
Speaker 6: I think Mike and I are kind of on the

2139
01:35:15,674 --> 01:35:17,874
Speaker 6: same way. I would ask about offensive philosophy.

2140
01:35:17,914 --> 01:35:20,474
Speaker 5: Y like to me, I look at that as staffing, like,

2141
01:35:20,594 --> 01:35:21,754
Speaker 5: how do you how.

2142
01:35:21,714 --> 01:35:24,274
Speaker 6: Do you want to win football games? And did you

2143
01:35:24,354 --> 01:35:25,874
Speaker 6: win the way? I intend to see the way you

2144
01:35:25,954 --> 01:35:28,354
Speaker 6: won because you had prime Derrick Henry in a good

2145
01:35:28,434 --> 01:35:30,594
Speaker 6: defense and it just that was your personnel.

2146
01:35:30,834 --> 01:35:31,874
Speaker 5: Great question and it fit.

2147
01:35:32,154 --> 01:35:34,794
Speaker 6: Or why are you willing to win on the arm

2148
01:35:34,874 --> 01:35:36,754
Speaker 6: of the quarterback and do it that way?

2149
01:35:36,914 --> 01:35:38,594
Speaker 5: Yep? What's yours? Fred?

2150
01:35:40,394 --> 01:35:44,234
Speaker 3: I like yours? Paul? I think I might ask I'm

2151
01:35:44,234 --> 01:35:46,354
Speaker 3: playing the role of Robert Kraft here. I'm not asking

2152
01:35:46,434 --> 01:35:48,754
Speaker 3: this as Fred Kirsh I'm asking this as Robert Kraft,

2153
01:35:49,594 --> 01:35:52,674
Speaker 3: if you were me, what you would you be focused

2154
01:35:52,714 --> 01:35:57,354
Speaker 3: on for this team? In other words, put Mike, put

2155
01:35:57,394 --> 01:36:00,354
Speaker 3: yourself in my role, what would you be focused on

2156
01:36:00,874 --> 01:36:04,073
Speaker 3: for the New England Patriots? And see what he says, Yeah.

2157
01:36:04,114 --> 01:36:07,074
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that's the most attractive part of Mike

2158
01:36:07,154 --> 01:36:09,194
Speaker 6: Rabele to me is like he could come in here,

2159
01:36:09,434 --> 01:36:12,474
Speaker 6: like do an audit of their entire football program and

2160
01:36:12,914 --> 01:36:14,954
Speaker 6: give a list of like we need to do this, this,

2161
01:36:15,154 --> 01:36:17,434
Speaker 6: this and this and then that could like fix the

2162
01:36:17,474 --> 01:36:18,314
Speaker 6: whole thing, right, you know.

2163
01:36:18,354 --> 01:36:20,274
Speaker 4: There's no sacred cows with him, like you would go

2164
01:36:20,394 --> 01:36:22,354
Speaker 4: right across the board and tell you what he thinks.

2165
01:36:22,994 --> 01:36:26,034
Speaker 3: Yep, all right. So do we have Alex Oh where

2166
01:36:26,114 --> 01:36:26,314
Speaker 3: is she.

2167
01:36:29,234 --> 01:36:29,514
Speaker 5: Going to do?

2168
01:36:31,474 --> 01:36:31,994
Speaker 6: I guess.

2169
01:36:35,114 --> 01:36:35,394
Speaker 11: Zoom.

2170
01:36:36,914 --> 01:36:39,754
Speaker 3: Well, marine forgot what we're doing pics. You thought picks

2171
01:36:39,794 --> 01:36:43,154
Speaker 3: were over. Forgot that we do a brain.

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01:36:43,634 --> 01:36:45,154
Speaker 6: It's a failure of the marine going to give like

2173
01:36:45,194 --> 01:36:47,354
Speaker 6: a presentation or something. It looks like you're about to,

2174
01:36:47,514 --> 01:36:53,034
Speaker 6: like you teach us about like gut health or something that.

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01:36:54,994 --> 01:37:02,594
Speaker 3: Time hurry, gut health. All those things they sell on TV,

2176
01:37:02,794 --> 01:37:07,194
Speaker 3: the powders that you eat, it's like green stuff, not good.

2177
01:37:08,954 --> 01:37:10,794
Speaker 13: I'm not going to call out any specific brands, but

2178
01:37:10,834 --> 01:37:13,234
Speaker 13: they're scams, like Athletic Greens.

2179
01:37:13,274 --> 01:37:14,394
Speaker 3: That's a scam, is it?

2180
01:37:14,594 --> 01:37:16,034
Speaker 6: Yeah, and a lot of heavy metals.

2181
01:37:16,474 --> 01:37:19,474
Speaker 3: It sounds so good, like, oh it does it helps

2182
01:37:19,514 --> 01:37:22,594
Speaker 3: your eyesight and your hair and your toenails and your gut.

2183
01:37:23,034 --> 01:37:27,074
Speaker 13: You know, carrots and good probiotic foods and just a

2184
01:37:27,154 --> 01:37:27,714
Speaker 13: healthy diet.

2185
01:37:27,754 --> 01:37:28,394
Speaker 3: Doesn't say.

2186
01:37:30,114 --> 01:37:34,674
Speaker 13: That requires but if you're not eating a proper diet

2187
01:37:34,874 --> 01:37:37,274
Speaker 13: and then you think Athletic Greens is going to save you.

2188
01:37:38,834 --> 01:37:39,794
Speaker 3: That's the way they sell it.

2189
01:37:40,274 --> 01:37:42,834
Speaker 13: Yeah, you know, I don't subscribe.

2190
01:37:42,834 --> 01:37:43,354
Speaker 3: It doesn't work.

2191
01:37:43,474 --> 01:37:43,554
Speaker 4: Now.

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01:37:43,634 --> 01:37:45,754
Speaker 6: My favorite Alex food take now though, is that she

2193
01:37:45,834 --> 01:37:47,634
Speaker 6: tells me that I'm allowed to eat red meat and

2194
01:37:47,794 --> 01:37:50,714
Speaker 6: not feel guilty about it. That really makes me feel good.

2195
01:37:50,794 --> 01:37:55,594
Speaker 13: Well sourced steak and like grass fed finished beef. It's

2196
01:37:55,634 --> 01:37:57,794
Speaker 13: one of the most nutrient dense foods on the planet.

2197
01:37:57,874 --> 01:37:59,314
Speaker 13: I will die on that hill forever.

2198
01:38:00,674 --> 01:38:01,034
Speaker 3: Goodness.

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01:38:03,514 --> 01:38:05,434
Speaker 5: I don't know if you know, but I've had a burger.

2200
01:38:07,994 --> 01:38:12,034
Speaker 13: All those studies about like red meat being the villain,

2201
01:38:12,194 --> 01:38:15,074
Speaker 13: it's all studies done on people who are eating like

2202
01:38:15,434 --> 01:38:20,274
Speaker 13: pizza and sausage and everything. Like a person that's eating

2203
01:38:20,834 --> 01:38:23,234
Speaker 13: when Fred and I were growing up with broccoli.

2204
01:38:22,954 --> 01:38:26,474
Speaker 5: And was the thing every night that was healthy everything.

2205
01:38:26,514 --> 01:38:31,194
Speaker 13: I gave up me for probably like five months with

2206
01:38:31,354 --> 01:38:33,434
Speaker 13: my mom. My mom just went vegan for a summer.

2207
01:38:33,514 --> 01:38:35,234
Speaker 13: She was it was her midlife crisis. I'm sorry if

2208
01:38:35,234 --> 01:38:38,474
Speaker 13: she's listening. I joined her because I was home from college.

2209
01:38:39,034 --> 01:38:41,754
Speaker 13: My hair is falling out, my skin sucks. I've never

2210
01:38:41,874 --> 01:38:46,394
Speaker 13: had worse health. Reintroduced red meat and just like healthy. Yes,

2211
01:38:46,594 --> 01:38:49,074
Speaker 13: I've heard similar stories to that.

2212
01:38:49,354 --> 01:38:51,834
Speaker 3: You see these vegans and they got running noses, they're thin,

2213
01:38:51,874 --> 01:38:54,554
Speaker 3: they're mash and then you see the guys walking out

2214
01:38:54,554 --> 01:38:55,594
Speaker 3: of McDonald's, they're.

2215
01:38:55,514 --> 01:38:59,634
Speaker 5: You know, strong and healthy McDonald example. But yes, I

2216
01:38:59,714 --> 01:39:08,914
Speaker 5: get your points. Yeah, robust about like das. Okay, all right, so.

2217
01:39:09,034 --> 01:39:12,354
Speaker 3: We wait, okay, go ahead. What happened last week? No,

2218
01:39:12,434 --> 01:39:13,794
Speaker 3: you want to do them?

2219
01:39:13,914 --> 01:39:14,874
Speaker 5: I want to strike up the band?

2220
01:39:15,034 --> 01:39:15,234
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2221
01:39:19,954 --> 01:39:26,154
Speaker 5: Okay, more of a coronation final results just so Week

2222
01:39:26,274 --> 01:39:31,354
Speaker 5: eighteen always a tricky week, but not for Alex oh

2223
01:39:32,074 --> 01:39:36,554
Speaker 5: twelve and four, followed by Mike and Fred at eleven

2224
01:39:36,634 --> 01:39:41,114
Speaker 5: and five, Paul at nine and seven, and Evan at

2225
01:39:41,154 --> 01:39:42,994
Speaker 5: eight and eight. So I had my opportunity.

2226
01:39:43,114 --> 01:39:43,314
Speaker 16: I did.

2227
01:39:43,514 --> 01:39:45,794
Speaker 5: Yeah, I had my opportunity did not take.

2228
01:39:45,914 --> 01:39:48,474
Speaker 3: That eighteenth game, we might have been able to catch out.

2229
01:39:48,874 --> 01:39:52,674
Speaker 5: So the final standings, this is the overall final standings.

2230
01:39:53,354 --> 01:39:59,514
Speaker 5: It is Evan one ninety one in eighty one. Who Alex,

2231
01:39:59,554 --> 01:40:02,954
Speaker 5: I'm sorry so close, one ninety in eighty two wow.

2232
01:40:03,554 --> 01:40:06,834
Speaker 5: One game. Beat Evan by four games in week eighteen,

2233
01:40:06,954 --> 01:40:10,274
Speaker 5: but needed to beat by five. Then I was one

2234
01:40:10,354 --> 01:40:12,794
Speaker 5: eighty four and eighty eight, and then a tie for

2235
01:40:13,074 --> 01:40:16,314
Speaker 5: the poop emoji with Mike and Fred one eighty three

2236
01:40:16,394 --> 01:40:20,834
Speaker 5: and eighty nine, So poop for all with the spread

2237
01:40:23,154 --> 01:40:24,954
Speaker 5: Mike nine to six and one.

2238
01:40:25,234 --> 01:40:25,954
Speaker 3: Wow, could you?

2239
01:40:26,794 --> 01:40:31,514
Speaker 5: Followed by Evan and Fred eight seven and one, Paul

2240
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Speaker 5: seven eight and one. That's just poor to me? Uh,

2241
01:40:34,194 --> 01:40:36,794
Speaker 5: and Alex six nine and one.

2242
01:40:38,394 --> 01:40:41,274
Speaker 6: When ninety I don't understand how that happens.

2243
01:40:42,834 --> 01:40:45,994
Speaker 5: That's twelve and four to six nine and one. Evan

2244
01:40:46,194 --> 01:40:50,274
Speaker 5: also wins with the spread one fifty six one ten

2245
01:40:50,354 --> 01:40:54,394
Speaker 5: and six, which qualifies as a choke by me because

2246
01:40:54,434 --> 01:40:56,354
Speaker 5: again he went eight seven and one. He gave me

2247
01:40:56,434 --> 01:41:00,394
Speaker 5: the opening to pass him, and I choked one fifty

2248
01:41:00,474 --> 01:41:02,714
Speaker 5: four one twelve and six. I was two games back

2249
01:41:02,914 --> 01:41:07,274
Speaker 5: of Evan. Fred gets the Bronze at one fifty one,

2250
01:41:07,434 --> 01:41:12,434
Speaker 5: sixteen and six, Mike one forty nine, one seventeen and six,

2251
01:41:12,514 --> 01:41:16,234
Speaker 5: and Alex with the Poopamoji one forty one, one twenty

2252
01:41:16,314 --> 01:41:16,874
Speaker 5: five and six.

2253
01:41:17,114 --> 01:41:19,434
Speaker 3: I think that against the spread, this is the best

2254
01:41:19,674 --> 01:41:24,714
Speaker 3: year for collectively, don't you think, Paul, Because it's always

2255
01:41:24,754 --> 01:41:27,514
Speaker 3: somebody it's below five hundred. Not this year.

2256
01:41:28,154 --> 01:41:30,834
Speaker 5: Sixteen games over five hundred was the worst, right, not.

2257
01:41:31,234 --> 01:41:33,954
Speaker 3: Not even close to five hundred this year. So this

2258
01:41:34,034 --> 01:41:37,034
Speaker 3: is a pretty amazing game. Good effort. But everyone again

2259
01:41:38,314 --> 01:41:41,194
Speaker 3: like the double double, the double crown.

2260
01:41:41,554 --> 01:41:44,834
Speaker 5: Double crown did the ball and the nerds you did,

2261
01:41:45,474 --> 01:41:48,034
Speaker 5: you made a statement for the balls are so proud

2262
01:41:48,074 --> 01:41:48,234
Speaker 5: of you.

2263
01:41:48,394 --> 01:41:50,554
Speaker 6: Right now, I'm proud of myself.

2264
01:41:51,354 --> 01:41:53,434
Speaker 3: It's like when you know the nerd gets to like,

2265
01:41:54,074 --> 01:41:57,674
Speaker 3: you know, data day cheerleader, the cheerleader, It's like, if

2266
01:41:57,674 --> 01:41:59,474
Speaker 3: he can do it, I might be able to do

2267
01:41:59,554 --> 01:41:59,834
Speaker 3: it too.

2268
01:42:00,354 --> 01:42:01,634
Speaker 6: Yeah, Alex.

2269
01:42:01,754 --> 01:42:04,634
Speaker 5: Right now Alex is thinking this could happen for me. Yeah.

2270
01:42:05,234 --> 01:42:06,754
Speaker 5: I mean if it happened for Evan, it can happen

2271
01:42:06,834 --> 01:42:07,034
Speaker 5: for me.

2272
01:42:09,634 --> 01:42:09,834
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2273
01:42:10,434 --> 01:42:14,634
Speaker 6: I think he thinks that. Anyways, our situations.

2274
01:42:13,914 --> 01:42:17,154
Speaker 5: I'm not gonna so I would be remiss if I

2275
01:42:17,194 --> 01:42:21,194
Speaker 5: didn't include the folks. This is your lock of the

2276
01:42:21,274 --> 01:42:28,674
Speaker 5: week update. Took the took the l This week Fred

2277
01:42:28,794 --> 01:42:31,354
Speaker 5: had Atlanta as his luck of the week minus eight

2278
01:42:32,194 --> 01:42:34,394
Speaker 5: lost out right lost.

2279
01:42:34,994 --> 01:42:36,594
Speaker 3: Let me repeat that Atlanta.

2280
01:42:36,314 --> 01:42:41,034
Speaker 5: Had had Atlanta minus eight lost outright to Carolina. So

2281
01:42:41,394 --> 01:42:44,154
Speaker 5: for the season. This is obviously something I picked up

2282
01:42:44,234 --> 01:42:47,034
Speaker 5: late in the year three and six on your locker.

2283
01:42:47,394 --> 01:42:48,314
Speaker 3: I can't be perfect.

2284
01:42:48,994 --> 01:42:51,194
Speaker 5: No, you certainly can't be all right.

2285
01:42:51,234 --> 01:42:52,594
Speaker 3: So that's better. That's better.

2286
01:42:52,714 --> 01:42:53,034
Speaker 4: Better.

2287
01:42:53,074 --> 01:42:57,714
Speaker 3: Okay, now we start, Now we start son. Somebody on

2288
01:42:57,794 --> 01:43:02,994
Speaker 3: the different give me the college games spreads. Yes, tonight

2289
01:43:03,154 --> 01:43:04,634
Speaker 3: is Penn State and.

2290
01:43:05,394 --> 01:43:09,874
Speaker 6: Notre Dame Notre Dame on ESPN, ESPN. So it's a

2291
01:43:10,154 --> 01:43:11,994
Speaker 6: Notre Dame by one.

2292
01:43:12,114 --> 01:43:15,594
Speaker 3: Notre Dame by one. Interesting, yep.

2293
01:43:15,754 --> 01:43:16,514
Speaker 5: And what's the other one.

2294
01:43:17,194 --> 01:43:20,314
Speaker 6: The other one is Ohio State versus Texas and it's

2295
01:43:20,434 --> 01:43:24,074
Speaker 6: Ohio State by six. That's tomorrow, correct, both at seven

2296
01:43:24,194 --> 01:43:25,074
Speaker 6: thirty on SPN.

2297
01:43:25,234 --> 01:43:26,354
Speaker 5: Okay six Ohio State.

2298
01:43:26,514 --> 01:43:29,754
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, So we'll do the Notre Dame in Penn State. First,

2299
01:43:30,114 --> 01:43:31,154
Speaker 3: Penn State by one.

2300
01:43:31,554 --> 01:43:35,154
Speaker 5: Okay, I'm gonna Notre Dame by one Notre Dame.

2301
01:43:36,274 --> 01:43:39,394
Speaker 3: I thought you said Penn State by not Dame by one.

2302
01:43:39,994 --> 01:43:43,234
Speaker 3: That changes everything, A big win everything.

2303
01:43:43,274 --> 01:43:44,834
Speaker 4: I'm glad I finally had a chance to drop some

2304
01:43:44,874 --> 01:43:46,274
Speaker 4: college football knowledge on y'all.

2305
01:43:47,274 --> 01:43:47,874
Speaker 6: Drop it, Douce.

2306
01:43:49,474 --> 01:43:51,554
Speaker 4: You know Penn State. You said maybe missing Outdual Carter.

2307
01:43:51,594 --> 01:43:52,914
Speaker 4: I think it's a big blow for them. So I'm

2308
01:43:52,914 --> 01:43:53,194
Speaker 4: gonna go.

2309
01:43:53,394 --> 01:43:54,434
Speaker 3: Where's the game being played?

2310
01:43:54,834 --> 01:43:55,514
Speaker 5: The Orange Bowl?

2311
01:43:56,034 --> 01:44:00,034
Speaker 6: The Orange The other is the Cotton Bowl, Texas.

2312
01:43:59,754 --> 01:44:01,354
Speaker 5: More or less the home team, and the other one

2313
01:44:03,194 --> 01:44:03,674
Speaker 5: Notre Dame.

2314
01:44:05,634 --> 01:44:07,074
Speaker 13: I used to be in the camp with Evan. That's

2315
01:44:07,114 --> 01:44:09,274
Speaker 13: hard to pick Notre Dame in these big games, but

2316
01:44:09,714 --> 01:44:13,874
Speaker 13: him and Tamara had a pretty heated debate and Evan lost.

2317
01:44:14,754 --> 01:44:17,674
Speaker 6: Yeah, last week I lost. I didn't I undersold the

2318
01:44:17,794 --> 01:44:21,634
Speaker 6: fact that Georgia's was playing their backup quarterback. That really

2319
01:44:21,714 --> 01:44:22,074
Speaker 6: killed them.

2320
01:44:22,114 --> 01:44:24,834
Speaker 5: You know what really killed Georgia in that game? And

2321
01:44:25,394 --> 01:44:27,274
Speaker 5: their problem all year their receivers can't catch.

2322
01:44:27,794 --> 01:44:29,154
Speaker 6: Yeah, they can't catch.

2323
01:44:29,314 --> 01:44:31,954
Speaker 3: They drop. They lead the nation and drops.

2324
01:44:32,074 --> 01:44:34,834
Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean they obviously lost mconkie and Brock Bowers

2325
01:44:34,874 --> 01:44:36,914
Speaker 6: to the NFL, so they're kind of in a transition

2326
01:44:37,034 --> 01:44:42,514
Speaker 6: period there, So Notre Dame game, I'm sticking them with

2327
01:44:42,634 --> 01:44:46,474
Speaker 6: my gut. I've watched my entire life. Notre Dame choke

2328
01:44:46,554 --> 01:44:49,994
Speaker 6: and big football games exactly like this one. Drew Ayler,

2329
01:44:50,114 --> 01:44:52,594
Speaker 6: the Penn State quarterback, is the apple of a lot

2330
01:44:52,634 --> 01:44:55,514
Speaker 6: of people's eye right now might come out. So I'm

2331
01:44:55,514 --> 01:44:57,234
Speaker 6: going to take Penn State in this game.

2332
01:44:58,674 --> 01:45:01,434
Speaker 5: So to Evan's point, this is a game with two

2333
01:45:01,914 --> 01:45:05,914
Speaker 5: programs that traditionally choke and puke all over themselves in

2334
01:45:05,954 --> 01:45:08,634
Speaker 5: big games. I'm just going to take Penn State because

2335
01:45:08,634 --> 01:45:09,674
Speaker 5: my son's friend goes there.

2336
01:45:09,834 --> 01:45:11,234
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm taking Penn State two.

2337
01:45:12,674 --> 01:45:15,354
Speaker 5: All right, I'm rooting for Liam to get a national championship.

2338
01:45:15,394 --> 01:45:17,394
Speaker 6: Some people don't forget about the man Tito era.

2339
01:45:17,554 --> 01:45:20,874
Speaker 3: Okay, so now we move to Friday night on ESPN

2340
01:45:21,034 --> 01:45:21,714
Speaker 3: seven thirty.

2341
01:45:21,994 --> 01:45:22,874
Speaker 6: Did you say yep?

2342
01:45:22,994 --> 01:45:26,154
Speaker 3: I think both games a seven kick off probably won't

2343
01:45:26,154 --> 01:45:27,034
Speaker 3: be to like eight thirty.

2344
01:45:27,154 --> 01:45:30,314
Speaker 5: But really I thought they were kicking off kill you?

2345
01:45:30,714 --> 01:45:32,274
Speaker 5: Is that not right? I don't know, because I was

2346
01:45:32,314 --> 01:45:34,354
Speaker 5: actually holding out hope that I could actually watch these

2347
01:45:34,394 --> 01:45:36,314
Speaker 5: games and not being unconscious by the time.

2348
01:45:37,114 --> 01:45:42,874
Speaker 3: Probably have all the pre games. Yeah, it's a base.

2349
01:45:42,994 --> 01:45:44,234
Speaker 5: Ohio State by six.

2350
01:45:44,474 --> 01:45:47,074
Speaker 6: Yes, So Ohio State just beat Oregon, the number one

2351
01:45:47,114 --> 01:45:48,714
Speaker 6: team in the country, and smack them.

2352
01:45:48,834 --> 01:45:52,794
Speaker 4: Yeah, I actually watched that one. I'll stick with the

2353
01:45:52,914 --> 01:45:54,714
Speaker 4: Ohio State. Then I want to stick with Ohio State

2354
01:45:55,114 --> 01:45:58,714
Speaker 4: this week, same, I.

2355
01:45:58,794 --> 01:46:01,114
Speaker 6: Too, am gonna go with Ohio State. The Buckeyes. I

2356
01:46:01,154 --> 01:46:03,994
Speaker 6: think they have the most roster talent in the entire

2357
01:46:04,394 --> 01:46:06,354
Speaker 6: playoff and I think they're they're rolling now.

2358
01:46:06,794 --> 01:46:10,114
Speaker 5: Based on what little knowledge I have, that team has

2359
01:46:10,154 --> 01:46:13,194
Speaker 5: played the best in the playoffs. Both games they would dominate.

2360
01:46:13,314 --> 01:46:14,994
Speaker 5: I think they continue Ohio State.

2361
01:46:15,274 --> 01:46:20,034
Speaker 3: Folks, this is your lack of the week. Ohio State

2362
01:46:20,154 --> 01:46:21,394
Speaker 3: covers in this game.

2363
01:46:22,394 --> 01:46:25,674
Speaker 5: So I need to put a little haster. All the

2364
01:46:26,274 --> 01:46:30,514
Speaker 5: lower seeds, by the way, advanced in this playoffs five, six, seven,

2365
01:46:30,554 --> 01:46:36,274
Speaker 5: eight right now? And if it's Ohio State's eight, yes,

2366
01:46:37,114 --> 01:46:38,874
Speaker 5: so that would be the lower seed. Is Penn State

2367
01:46:38,994 --> 01:46:40,714
Speaker 5: the lower seed? Or is Notre Dame?

2368
01:46:40,754 --> 01:46:43,354
Speaker 6: I don't know, No, I think that's that's I think

2369
01:46:43,434 --> 01:46:46,274
Speaker 6: Penn State is six if I'm not mistaking Texas five.

2370
01:46:46,554 --> 01:46:47,634
Speaker 5: So Notre Dame is seven?

2371
01:46:47,714 --> 01:46:48,794
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think six? Seven?

2372
01:46:48,874 --> 01:46:50,034
Speaker 3: All right? All right?

2373
01:46:50,074 --> 01:46:53,994
Speaker 5: Now, he might play football enough with the college we got,

2374
01:46:54,314 --> 01:46:56,834
Speaker 5: we gotta hier. He got fourteen minutes for six games more.

2375
01:46:57,314 --> 01:47:00,314
Speaker 5: Oh In case anybody is wondering the over unders on

2376
01:47:00,394 --> 01:47:04,594
Speaker 5: the the pre on the Pregame Show presented by Duncan. Yeah,

2377
01:47:05,114 --> 01:47:08,594
Speaker 5: Paul sixty five and thirty seven, Matt fifty seven and

2378
01:47:08,714 --> 01:47:12,554
Speaker 5: forty five, Mike fifty six and forty six, the six pack,

2379
01:47:13,474 --> 01:47:16,714
Speaker 5: Paul fifty two, forty eight and two, and Matt and

2380
01:47:16,834 --> 01:47:18,834
Speaker 5: Mike tied at fifty one, forty nine and two.

2381
01:47:19,034 --> 01:47:21,074
Speaker 3: Okay, so people, those numbers check out with mine two.

2382
01:47:21,074 --> 01:47:24,114
Speaker 5: Paul correct, I'm stunned you have the right numbers. Thanks.

2383
01:47:25,234 --> 01:47:30,554
Speaker 3: All right, let's move to the NFL Saturday thirty on

2384
01:47:30,834 --> 01:47:37,554
Speaker 3: CBS Paramount Plus in Nickelodeon, it's the eleven channels.

2385
01:47:37,594 --> 01:47:39,314
Speaker 5: The game on CBS CBS.

2386
01:47:39,554 --> 01:47:40,074
Speaker 3: Oh, I like that.

2387
01:47:40,474 --> 01:47:41,754
Speaker 6: We have the slime Zone.

2388
01:47:42,074 --> 01:47:43,834
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, watch that.

2389
01:47:43,994 --> 01:47:44,634
Speaker 3: I don't know.

2390
01:47:45,114 --> 01:47:45,714
Speaker 6: Yeah, I watched it.

2391
01:47:46,274 --> 01:47:47,674
Speaker 4: I flipped it on just to see what it looks like.

2392
01:47:48,794 --> 01:47:49,514
Speaker 6: I think they're cute.

2393
01:47:49,634 --> 01:47:51,994
Speaker 13: They do the little novelty show.

2394
01:47:51,954 --> 01:47:53,714
Speaker 4: Something like Smithers is Running down the Shoe.

2395
01:47:54,794 --> 01:47:55,114
Speaker 16: Sweet.

2396
01:47:56,074 --> 01:47:58,434
Speaker 5: Okay, what did you did you say? The game?

2397
01:47:58,594 --> 01:48:01,874
Speaker 3: Yes, it's the Chargers eleven and six Chargers at the

2398
01:48:02,034 --> 01:48:03,754
Speaker 3: ten and seven Texans.

2399
01:48:03,714 --> 01:48:07,314
Speaker 5: The Chargers Road favorite, the Lack by three.

2400
01:48:08,154 --> 01:48:08,554
Speaker 3: I like that.

2401
01:48:08,994 --> 01:48:11,153
Speaker 4: I'm gonna stick with that. I'm gonna take the Chargers,

2402
01:48:11,874 --> 01:48:14,234
Speaker 4: you know, I just I don't think without tanked Dell,

2403
01:48:14,314 --> 01:48:16,394
Speaker 4: it seems like they kind of collapse a little bit.

2404
01:48:17,594 --> 01:48:20,274
Speaker 4: And I just again biased of seeing a team here

2405
01:48:20,434 --> 01:48:23,594
Speaker 4: live take it to the Patriots. So are the Chargers

2406
01:48:23,634 --> 01:48:26,114
Speaker 4: really that good? I don't know, but they both did that,

2407
01:48:26,554 --> 01:48:29,714
Speaker 4: oh fair enough, but you know, read more recently. More

2408
01:48:29,794 --> 01:48:32,074
Speaker 4: recently we saw the Chargers. So I'm gonna take Justin

2409
01:48:32,114 --> 01:48:34,354
Speaker 4: Herbert on the road, and uh, I think that's that'd

2410
01:48:34,354 --> 01:48:35,674
Speaker 4: be nice win for them, go on the road and

2411
01:48:36,194 --> 01:48:37,474
Speaker 4: pick that up. So I'm gonna go with them all

2412
01:48:37,594 --> 01:48:38,714
Speaker 4: lay the points Chargers.

2413
01:48:38,834 --> 01:48:41,794
Speaker 6: Chargers. Yeah, I'm on the Chargers too.

2414
01:48:41,834 --> 01:48:42,394
Speaker 5: I did that.

2415
01:48:42,594 --> 01:48:45,634
Speaker 6: Texans team just hasn't really been right all year long,

2416
01:48:45,754 --> 01:48:47,834
Speaker 6: so you Jay Stroud's had a rough year, you know,

2417
01:48:48,074 --> 01:48:50,954
Speaker 6: relatively speaking, and I just think the Chargers are playing

2418
01:48:51,034 --> 01:48:53,954
Speaker 6: better and are a better team right now. Chargers.

2419
01:48:55,314 --> 01:48:58,834
Speaker 5: Yeah, I worry when it's like that, and it's like,

2420
01:48:58,994 --> 01:49:01,714
Speaker 5: you know, the road team's favorite. Everybody's on the road team.

2421
01:49:01,754 --> 01:49:03,874
Speaker 5: You know what happens. But I'm gonna take the Lack.

2422
01:49:04,274 --> 01:49:08,954
Speaker 3: Yeah, me too, Lack eight o'clock Saturday night on Prime Video.

2423
01:49:09,514 --> 01:49:11,274
Speaker 5: So that's the one I can't watch all.

2424
01:49:11,234 --> 01:49:15,354
Speaker 3: Right, ten and seven Steelers at the twelve and five Ravens.

2425
01:49:15,554 --> 01:49:17,994
Speaker 3: We got an early report that Zave Flowers might be out,

2426
01:49:18,154 --> 01:49:18,874
Speaker 3: so he is out.

2427
01:49:18,994 --> 01:49:23,154
Speaker 6: Yeah, John Harbaugh confirming today after practice, No Ja Flowers.

2428
01:49:24,154 --> 01:49:27,194
Speaker 5: The Ravens by nine and half. Wow, that's a big.

2429
01:49:27,114 --> 01:49:30,954
Speaker 3: Spread, big spread. No respect for the Steelers, no respect.

2430
01:49:30,954 --> 01:49:34,394
Speaker 4: I mean the injury day they Flowers is huge. Another

2431
01:49:34,474 --> 01:49:36,354
Speaker 4: thing I didn't really like. I heard Lamar talking a

2432
01:49:36,394 --> 01:49:38,114
Speaker 4: little bit about how he just needs to learn how

2433
01:49:38,154 --> 01:49:40,594
Speaker 4: to calm down in playoff games and he gets antsy.

2434
01:49:40,754 --> 01:49:40,994
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2435
01:49:41,194 --> 01:49:43,194
Speaker 4: I didn't love hearing that from him. Like, I didn't realize,

2436
01:49:43,634 --> 01:49:45,234
Speaker 4: you know, it's not a big deal, dude, you're really good.

2437
01:49:45,314 --> 01:49:48,474
Speaker 4: Just play. But but I just don't think the Steelers

2438
01:49:48,474 --> 01:49:49,954
Speaker 4: have enough. I'm gonna take the Ravens to win, but

2439
01:49:49,994 --> 01:49:51,914
Speaker 4: I'll take the points. I just think these two teams

2440
01:49:52,034 --> 01:49:53,434
Speaker 4: know each other well and it's always tough.

2441
01:49:54,074 --> 01:49:56,554
Speaker 6: I feel the same way. Yeah, I'm splitting it. Yeah,

2442
01:49:56,554 --> 01:50:00,354
Speaker 6: I'm with Deuce. I actually remember Brady saying that about

2443
01:50:00,394 --> 01:50:03,834
Speaker 6: Super Bowls. You know, the Patriots always notoriously started terribly

2444
01:50:03,874 --> 01:50:05,594
Speaker 6: in Super Bowls, and he said he was so amped

2445
01:50:05,674 --> 01:50:08,274
Speaker 6: up coming out that it would you know, almost be

2446
01:50:08,394 --> 01:50:11,074
Speaker 6: a deterrent. But I'm going to take the Ravens. I

2447
01:50:11,114 --> 01:50:12,914
Speaker 6: think they they end up pulling away in this game.

2448
01:50:12,954 --> 01:50:14,474
Speaker 6: But I'm going to take Pittsburgh to cover in a

2449
01:50:14,594 --> 01:50:17,034
Speaker 6: divisional three times, right, three times?

2450
01:50:17,194 --> 01:50:18,714
Speaker 4: Just beat them, you know, like Ravens just got that

2451
01:50:18,794 --> 01:50:20,714
Speaker 4: monkey off their back and now they got to do

2452
01:50:20,754 --> 01:50:21,034
Speaker 4: it again.

2453
01:50:21,114 --> 01:50:22,634
Speaker 5: I think they're going to blow them out. I'm gonna

2454
01:50:22,634 --> 01:50:25,594
Speaker 5: take the Ravens both ways. I just think Pittsburgh trending

2455
01:50:25,634 --> 01:50:27,754
Speaker 5: in the wrong direction. I think they've sort of figured

2456
01:50:27,794 --> 01:50:29,914
Speaker 5: out the whole Russell Wilson just throw it up in

2457
01:50:29,994 --> 01:50:34,954
Speaker 5: hope thing. Pickens did have a big drop in that

2458
01:50:35,034 --> 01:50:38,034
Speaker 5: Cincinnati game that I wouldn't necessarily expect. But I think

2459
01:50:38,074 --> 01:50:40,994
Speaker 5: that's their only means to make any plays is throwing

2460
01:50:41,034 --> 01:50:43,754
Speaker 5: bombs to to George Pickens. I'll take Baltimore. Yeah.

2461
01:50:44,834 --> 01:50:49,114
Speaker 3: In tout World or Sharp World, Raven's getting eight. They

2462
01:50:49,154 --> 01:50:54,114
Speaker 3: call these playoff points just so you know, okay, and

2463
01:50:54,314 --> 01:51:00,194
Speaker 3: so uh yeah, Ravens Ravens cover in this game.

2464
01:51:00,874 --> 01:51:02,314
Speaker 4: It's gonna be a good feature when you get that

2465
01:51:02,394 --> 01:51:10,914
Speaker 4: finally together. The Fred kurshutes.

2466
01:51:09,354 --> 01:51:12,274
Speaker 5: The playoff points.

2467
01:51:13,514 --> 01:51:14,394
Speaker 4: Gambling parlance.

2468
01:51:17,834 --> 01:51:21,914
Speaker 3: All right, that's the Saturday lineup. Now we move to

2469
01:51:21,994 --> 01:51:26,674
Speaker 3: Sunday one o'clock CBS, and again Paramount plus the ten

2470
01:51:26,754 --> 01:51:29,794
Speaker 3: and seven Broncos at the thirteen and four.

2471
01:51:29,714 --> 01:51:35,274
Speaker 5: Bills, Buffalo by eight and a half. Don't forget some

2472
01:51:35,434 --> 01:51:36,674
Speaker 5: of those are playoff.

2473
01:51:36,354 --> 01:51:38,954
Speaker 4: Points, but I don't know that's something I appreciate it. Yeah,

2474
01:51:39,034 --> 01:51:40,834
Speaker 4: good you point that out. I forgot about that.

2475
01:51:42,154 --> 01:51:42,314
Speaker 5: Yeah.

2476
01:51:42,354 --> 01:51:44,754
Speaker 4: I got to pick the Bills to win, and I just,

2477
01:51:44,874 --> 01:51:47,154
Speaker 4: you know, I feel like the Broncos are playing a

2478
01:51:47,154 --> 01:51:49,194
Speaker 4: little bit with house money right now, like that good season.

2479
01:51:49,194 --> 01:51:51,314
Speaker 4: They got a rookie quarterback. They didn't, you know, really

2480
01:51:51,354 --> 01:51:54,034
Speaker 4: expect to be in this position. I think they might

2481
01:51:54,114 --> 01:51:55,834
Speaker 4: try to cut it loose, but as I'm talking here,

2482
01:51:55,914 --> 01:51:57,794
Speaker 4: I'm gonna lay the points. I just think I've seen

2483
01:51:57,834 --> 01:52:00,154
Speaker 4: Buffalo blow out a team in the in this round

2484
01:52:00,234 --> 01:52:01,394
Speaker 4: up there before, and I think they do it.

2485
01:52:01,474 --> 01:52:02,154
Speaker 6: Oh really have you?

2486
01:52:02,274 --> 01:52:05,034
Speaker 4: Yeah? What team was that? Patriots?

2487
01:52:06,194 --> 01:52:06,394
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2488
01:52:06,794 --> 01:52:11,034
Speaker 6: I'm going Buffalo, Buffalo doesn't. This game kind of feels

2489
01:52:11,114 --> 01:52:13,554
Speaker 6: like that game. Now, the Broncos probably won't have half

2490
01:52:13,554 --> 01:52:16,154
Speaker 6: their secondary out because of COVID, but it feels a

2491
01:52:16,154 --> 01:52:18,594
Speaker 6: little bit like that game. Rookie quarterback ten and seven,

2492
01:52:18,794 --> 01:52:21,554
Speaker 6: you know, go on a wild card run Bills. Bills.

2493
01:52:21,994 --> 01:52:24,354
Speaker 6: They don't punt times too.

2494
01:52:26,874 --> 01:52:28,794
Speaker 5: I will take Buffalo to win the game, and I

2495
01:52:28,874 --> 01:52:31,314
Speaker 5: think they'll win it fairly easily. But I'm going to

2496
01:52:31,354 --> 01:52:34,594
Speaker 5: take the points. I think Denver might have some offense

2497
01:52:34,674 --> 01:52:39,514
Speaker 5: early in the game, and I think the Broncos defense

2498
01:52:39,594 --> 01:52:43,154
Speaker 5: is pretty good. I think certain Yeah, it was legit.

2499
01:52:43,354 --> 01:52:45,314
Speaker 3: Do we have a weather report for this game? Oh?

2500
01:52:45,314 --> 01:52:49,274
Speaker 5: I don't know. That's no one knows. No one in

2501
01:52:49,314 --> 01:52:51,634
Speaker 5: the world probably should have asked that question. But I'm

2502
01:52:51,634 --> 01:52:53,554
Speaker 5: gonna take Buffalo to win. I'll take the no one knows.

2503
01:52:53,834 --> 01:52:55,954
Speaker 6: If only there were people that job it was to

2504
01:52:56,034 --> 01:52:59,474
Speaker 6: tell us the weather. It says that right now. Just

2505
01:52:59,594 --> 01:53:01,194
Speaker 6: his twenty nine degrees and cloudy.

2506
01:53:01,274 --> 01:53:04,594
Speaker 3: So no, okay, no normal. Yeah, I'm gonna go with

2507
01:53:04,794 --> 01:53:06,994
Speaker 3: the Bills. But I'm with Paul. I think the Broncos

2508
01:53:07,114 --> 01:53:10,634
Speaker 3: cover Stevie Nicks does enough in the first half, and

2509
01:53:11,994 --> 01:53:16,434
Speaker 3: well there you go the Bills. Yep, get it again.

2510
01:53:20,034 --> 01:53:24,474
Speaker 4: Fleetwood person like Fleetwood, I mean, forget about it.

2511
01:53:24,634 --> 01:53:27,434
Speaker 5: You know eleven Steve was Fleetwood Mac.

2512
01:53:27,634 --> 01:53:27,834
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2513
01:53:28,234 --> 01:53:29,594
Speaker 13: The one Wing Dove song.

2514
01:53:29,914 --> 01:53:33,274
Speaker 4: Oh, she's like a wing seventeen.

2515
01:53:33,914 --> 01:53:35,194
Speaker 6: Yes, that's the lyrics.

2516
01:53:37,594 --> 01:53:42,154
Speaker 3: All right. On Sunday four thirty on Fox and Fox Deportes,

2517
01:53:42,554 --> 01:53:45,594
Speaker 3: the eleven and six Packers are at the fourteen and

2518
01:53:45,674 --> 01:53:47,234
Speaker 3: three Eagles.

2519
01:53:47,594 --> 01:53:49,554
Speaker 5: Philly by four and a half. Perts.

2520
01:53:50,394 --> 01:53:51,434
Speaker 4: Looks good, looks good.

2521
01:53:51,514 --> 01:53:54,794
Speaker 5: Both quarterbacks at the well below one hundred percent.

2522
01:53:54,954 --> 01:53:55,194
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2523
01:53:55,394 --> 01:53:57,714
Speaker 4: Yeah, in that case, I gotta I gotta go with

2524
01:53:57,794 --> 01:54:01,114
Speaker 4: Philly at home. You know, I like what the Packers

2525
01:54:01,154 --> 01:54:02,674
Speaker 4: did this year. I still think there are maybe a

2526
01:54:02,754 --> 01:54:05,034
Speaker 4: year or two off, but I'll go with Philly at home.

2527
01:54:05,514 --> 01:54:06,274
Speaker 4: I'll lay the points.

2528
01:54:07,594 --> 01:54:10,674
Speaker 6: Philly, Philly. This is my favorite game. I think of

2529
01:54:10,754 --> 01:54:13,634
Speaker 6: the entire Wildcard round, this would be a good one.

2530
01:54:13,994 --> 01:54:16,754
Speaker 6: I'm gonna take the Eagles. I just I know why

2531
01:54:16,794 --> 01:54:18,834
Speaker 6: I trust the Packers so much. But I do trust

2532
01:54:18,914 --> 01:54:21,674
Speaker 6: the Packers, So I'm gonna say that they covered Eagles

2533
01:54:21,714 --> 01:54:22,394
Speaker 6: by a field goal.

2534
01:54:23,274 --> 01:54:26,354
Speaker 5: Yeah, I I I think Philly will win the game

2535
01:54:26,394 --> 01:54:28,354
Speaker 5: because green Bay is playing a good team in generally

2536
01:54:28,434 --> 01:54:32,154
Speaker 5: they lose. But I don't trust Philly, so I'm gonna

2537
01:54:32,154 --> 01:54:34,034
Speaker 5: take the points. I don't trust them to play as

2538
01:54:34,114 --> 01:54:36,274
Speaker 5: well as they normally have. I think they'll be close enough.

2539
01:54:36,314 --> 01:54:39,274
Speaker 3: I'm with Evan, there always has well that doesn't have

2540
01:54:39,434 --> 01:54:41,274
Speaker 3: to be an upset, but often there is, and I

2541
01:54:41,314 --> 01:54:43,714
Speaker 3: think this is one. I think the Packers go on

2542
01:54:43,754 --> 01:54:46,754
Speaker 3: the road and they beat the Eagles to the dismay

2543
01:54:46,794 --> 01:54:50,074
Speaker 3: of the Philly fans, and uh, it's going to be

2544
01:54:50,354 --> 01:54:51,594
Speaker 3: the upset of the weekend.

2545
01:54:52,194 --> 01:54:52,954
Speaker 5: Can I put that down?

2546
01:54:53,154 --> 01:54:58,794
Speaker 3: The lock? No, not a lock? Listen, No, in all seriousness,

2547
01:54:59,514 --> 01:55:02,154
Speaker 3: I need to be responsible with my locks. If I'm not,

2548
01:55:02,754 --> 01:55:04,834
Speaker 3: I don't get serious.

2549
01:55:04,954 --> 01:55:07,394
Speaker 5: You don't go three and six by just really throwing

2550
01:55:07,474 --> 01:55:07,994
Speaker 5: locks out there.

2551
01:55:08,034 --> 01:55:08,434
Speaker 4: But we have to.

2552
01:55:09,154 --> 01:55:13,674
Speaker 7: We have to have two columns, one just normal every time.

2553
01:55:14,234 --> 01:55:14,874
Speaker 4: You need two.

2554
01:55:14,794 --> 01:55:17,754
Speaker 13: Columns, one his regular upsets that aren't locks, and then

2555
01:55:17,834 --> 01:55:19,834
Speaker 13: his locks, and you need to see which perform right.

2556
01:55:19,954 --> 01:55:22,594
Speaker 3: I know that a lot of people take my words

2557
01:55:22,674 --> 01:55:25,634
Speaker 3: and bet the you know, college tuition on it. I want,

2558
01:55:25,674 --> 01:55:28,154
Speaker 3: I need to be responsible about it. So I'm not

2559
01:55:28,314 --> 01:55:30,874
Speaker 3: locking this one, but I'm calling for the upset.

2560
01:55:31,714 --> 01:55:35,114
Speaker 5: That is good of you. It is, don't you think responsible?

2561
01:55:35,154 --> 01:55:35,354
Speaker 11: Yeah?

2562
01:55:35,474 --> 01:55:35,914
Speaker 5: Good word.

2563
01:55:35,994 --> 01:55:40,354
Speaker 3: At eight o'clock on Sunday night, NBC Peacock Universal telexitos

2564
01:55:41,514 --> 01:55:43,714
Speaker 3: like they already put Peacock in there for the first time.

2565
01:55:44,034 --> 01:55:49,274
Speaker 3: Twelve and five commanders at the ten and seven Baker

2566
01:55:49,394 --> 01:55:50,954
Speaker 3: led Buccaneers.

2567
01:55:50,434 --> 01:55:53,674
Speaker 5: Fire the Cannons, fire the Canons, Bucks by three.

2568
01:55:53,794 --> 01:55:54,474
Speaker 6: I'm surprised.

2569
01:55:54,514 --> 01:55:56,034
Speaker 4: It's a tough game. That's a tough game.

2570
01:55:56,154 --> 01:55:57,714
Speaker 3: Surprised the Bucks are favorite, I am.

2571
01:55:57,874 --> 01:55:58,074
Speaker 4: Yeah.

2572
01:55:58,634 --> 01:56:01,234
Speaker 6: Yeah, the game against the Saints last week. They needed

2573
01:56:01,274 --> 01:56:02,194
Speaker 6: that game, and it's.

2574
01:56:02,114 --> 01:56:04,434
Speaker 4: Just so up and down, like they scored like forty

2575
01:56:04,474 --> 01:56:05,674
Speaker 4: five points one week and then.

2576
01:56:05,594 --> 01:56:08,634
Speaker 5: The next had a lot of injuries on defense, especially

2577
01:56:08,674 --> 01:56:09,354
Speaker 5: in the secondary.

2578
01:56:09,554 --> 01:56:12,154
Speaker 4: That's why I'm gonna go to Washington. Just think too

2579
01:56:12,194 --> 01:56:15,594
Speaker 4: many banks, too many injuries, and yeah, there's just unreliable.

2580
01:56:15,794 --> 01:56:18,234
Speaker 4: I don't think it's impossible, but I'll take I'll take Washington.

2581
01:56:18,554 --> 01:56:20,314
Speaker 13: Yeah, Washington Road upset.

2582
01:56:20,634 --> 01:56:23,274
Speaker 6: I'm taking Washington as well. I just think the Buccaneers

2583
01:56:23,274 --> 01:56:26,274
Speaker 6: are really streaky. I think they're inconsistent, and I think

2584
01:56:26,314 --> 01:56:30,114
Speaker 6: the commanders are feeling the mojo there with Jaden Daniels.

2585
01:56:30,154 --> 01:56:32,114
Speaker 6: They got something brewing there in Washington.

2586
01:56:33,554 --> 01:56:35,714
Speaker 5: I was all on Washington and now everybody else is,

2587
01:56:37,194 --> 01:56:38,954
Speaker 5: so yeah, taking Washington.

2588
01:56:39,194 --> 01:56:41,314
Speaker 3: So would you say that the Rookie of the Year

2589
01:56:41,634 --> 01:56:44,314
Speaker 3: is down between Jade and Daniels and Brock Bowers.

2590
01:56:44,354 --> 01:56:44,954
Speaker 6: I think it's over.

2591
01:56:45,034 --> 01:56:47,954
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't really think it's between Daniels Daniels.

2592
01:56:48,074 --> 01:56:49,794
Speaker 3: Yeah, brock Bowers had a pretty good year.

2593
01:56:49,834 --> 01:56:52,274
Speaker 5: Great year, hell, finished second great year for a team

2594
01:56:52,354 --> 01:56:55,514
Speaker 5: that won four games, and yeah whatever, Well.

2595
01:56:55,474 --> 01:56:58,474
Speaker 3: Doesn't that even make him even better that he was able.

2596
01:56:58,314 --> 01:56:59,794
Speaker 5: To have that plastic stats?

2597
01:56:59,914 --> 01:57:00,954
Speaker 3: Plastic? Why are they?

2598
01:57:01,394 --> 01:57:02,994
Speaker 5: He's a good player, but like, come.

2599
01:57:02,874 --> 01:57:08,634
Speaker 3: On, so he didn't have to catch those balls? Yeah

2600
01:57:08,754 --> 01:57:09,394
Speaker 3: that's not real.

2601
01:57:10,034 --> 01:57:15,714
Speaker 5: Where's my one again? I mean, jayde Daniels won twelve

2602
01:57:15,834 --> 01:57:18,194
Speaker 5: games as a rookie quarterback. You don't think that's much

2603
01:57:18,274 --> 01:57:21,754
Speaker 5: more impressive than catching one hundred and ten balls. That's

2604
01:57:21,754 --> 01:57:23,354
Speaker 5: why someone's got to catch the ball.

2605
01:57:23,594 --> 01:57:29,154
Speaker 3: Okay, good stats team, right, Okay, the basketball anyway, This

2606
01:57:29,234 --> 01:57:31,994
Speaker 3: is a tough one. I would want, I really really

2607
01:57:32,194 --> 01:57:35,634
Speaker 3: really want to pick the Buccaneers, but I just don't.

2608
01:57:35,954 --> 01:57:38,154
Speaker 3: I don't trust them. I got to go with the Commanders.

2609
01:57:38,274 --> 01:57:38,474
Speaker 4: Yep.

2610
01:57:38,794 --> 01:57:41,434
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, so that's one we all lost. There's no

2611
01:57:41,514 --> 01:57:42,914
Speaker 5: way we're all going to be right with an s.

2612
01:57:43,234 --> 01:57:47,274
Speaker 3: Yep, yeah we are. What kind of spirit is that Monday?

2613
01:57:47,954 --> 01:57:51,314
Speaker 3: Monday Night? Should they have a Monday night game.

2614
01:57:51,194 --> 01:57:53,074
Speaker 5: And a w during I don't think so, but this

2615
01:57:53,234 --> 01:57:54,354
Speaker 5: is the league that we're in.

2616
01:57:54,674 --> 01:57:56,114
Speaker 6: Hell, But what is there to do on Monday.

2617
01:57:56,194 --> 01:57:58,274
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, it's not about us. It's about the team

2618
01:57:58,314 --> 01:58:00,114
Speaker 3: that has to play on Monday and then have the

2619
01:58:00,194 --> 01:58:01,114
Speaker 3: short week compared to.

2620
01:58:01,154 --> 01:58:03,754
Speaker 5: All the other teams that they'll play on Sunday the

2621
01:58:03,794 --> 01:58:05,474
Speaker 5: next week. All right, Yeah, I know it's about me.

2622
01:58:05,794 --> 01:58:06,474
Speaker 6: It's my viewing.

2623
01:58:06,834 --> 01:58:09,874
Speaker 3: I guess it's Sunday night. Guys have to play on Saturday. Yeah,

2624
01:58:10,394 --> 01:58:10,714
Speaker 3: I don't know.

2625
01:58:11,154 --> 01:58:12,474
Speaker 5: Anyway, short week for somebody.

2626
01:58:12,674 --> 01:58:17,674
Speaker 3: Monday night, eight o'clock, ESPN, ABC, ESPN two, ESPN plus

2627
01:58:18,114 --> 01:58:21,994
Speaker 3: ESPN Deportes. The fourteen is three in Vikings are at

2628
01:58:22,034 --> 01:58:23,154
Speaker 3: the ten and seven.

2629
01:58:23,034 --> 01:58:26,514
Speaker 5: Rams Minnesota by one and a half.

2630
01:58:27,234 --> 01:58:29,634
Speaker 4: Yeah. I was watching the NFL Network had the game

2631
01:58:29,674 --> 01:58:33,354
Speaker 4: they played this year on. It was tightly contested. That's

2632
01:58:33,354 --> 01:58:35,194
Speaker 4: just as hard as Sam Donald. That guy. Is he

2633
01:58:35,274 --> 01:58:37,034
Speaker 4: the one who played great of the whole season or

2634
01:58:37,114 --> 01:58:39,194
Speaker 4: is he the guy that had a down week last week? Ever,

2635
01:58:39,314 --> 01:58:43,114
Speaker 4: everyone was excited about him. You know, I'm gonna go

2636
01:58:43,154 --> 01:58:44,794
Speaker 4: with it. I'm gonna go with the Rams at home.

2637
01:58:44,954 --> 01:58:47,114
Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with the Rams at home. I just

2638
01:58:47,194 --> 01:58:50,034
Speaker 4: think Sam Donald is Sam Donald, and he's not gonna

2639
01:58:50,034 --> 01:58:50,714
Speaker 4: be able to get it done.

2640
01:58:52,954 --> 01:58:56,754
Speaker 13: Along the similar lines, I'm gonna pick the Rams too.

2641
01:58:56,994 --> 01:58:58,914
Speaker 13: I know like a lot of LA people aren't huge

2642
01:58:58,994 --> 01:59:03,594
Speaker 13: Rams fans, but there's something about the fires and natural

2643
01:59:03,634 --> 01:59:05,914
Speaker 13: disasters tend to rally sports teams.

2644
01:59:05,994 --> 01:59:09,514
Speaker 4: So the question is, though there any Rams fans that

2645
01:59:09,594 --> 01:59:11,554
Speaker 4: I live in LA that are actually a regular I.

2646
01:59:11,554 --> 01:59:12,914
Speaker 5: Wonder if it could help them if they ended up

2647
01:59:12,914 --> 01:59:14,874
Speaker 5: playing in Arizona neutral site.

2648
01:59:15,314 --> 01:59:18,434
Speaker 6: Well, I'm gonna I'm gonna go with Minnesota. I just

2649
01:59:18,514 --> 01:59:21,434
Speaker 6: feel like, I don't know, I feel like they've been

2650
01:59:21,474 --> 01:59:25,474
Speaker 6: disrespected all year long. People didn't think that they to

2651
01:59:25,514 --> 01:59:27,634
Speaker 6: that big game, and they I hear you, you know,

2652
01:59:27,914 --> 01:59:29,754
Speaker 6: I hear you. I picked them last week too, and

2653
01:59:29,874 --> 01:59:32,034
Speaker 6: I was wrong. But I just I don't know if

2654
01:59:32,074 --> 01:59:35,074
Speaker 6: something tells me that the Minnesota gets this, gets this

2655
01:59:35,274 --> 01:59:36,994
Speaker 6: one win done. I don't know if they're gonna go

2656
01:59:37,074 --> 01:59:39,154
Speaker 6: much further than this, but I I feel like they're

2657
01:59:39,194 --> 01:59:43,234
Speaker 6: gonna really play hard to not look like a joke.

2658
01:59:44,554 --> 01:59:47,354
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think Evan's right about the disrespect that Minnesota

2659
01:59:47,394 --> 01:59:49,914
Speaker 5: has gotten all year. I guess I'm gonna pile on.

2660
01:59:50,034 --> 01:59:52,274
Speaker 5: I'm gonna take the lar. You guys know, I'm gonna.

2661
01:59:52,314 --> 01:59:54,674
Speaker 5: I Like Matthew Stafford, this is a little bit of

2662
01:59:54,714 --> 01:59:57,874
Speaker 5: a heart pick for me, I like, I like the Rams,

2663
01:59:57,914 --> 01:59:59,394
Speaker 5: and I think that they'll get it done at home.

2664
02:00:00,034 --> 02:00:00,234
Speaker 11: Yeah.

2665
02:00:00,714 --> 02:00:01,594
Speaker 3: Another tough one.

2666
02:00:02,554 --> 02:00:03,554
Speaker 5: Tough yeah, good one.

2667
02:00:03,554 --> 02:00:07,554
Speaker 3: I mean really, what was Sam Darnell last week? Is

2668
02:00:07,634 --> 02:00:09,434
Speaker 3: that who he is in the big games and that's

2669
02:00:09,474 --> 02:00:12,634
Speaker 3: why he's never gonna be an elite quarterback? Tough one.

2670
02:00:12,794 --> 02:00:18,194
Speaker 3: Flores's defense started out okay, but you know, the Lions

2671
02:00:18,274 --> 02:00:21,234
Speaker 3: ran all over it last week. So I don't know's

2672
02:00:24,594 --> 02:00:27,514
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm hurry, I'm gonna stick. I'm gonna stick

2673
02:00:27,594 --> 02:00:31,114
Speaker 3: with the Vikings. I'm gonna go with the Vikings. Yeah,

2674
02:00:31,434 --> 02:00:33,354
Speaker 3: we're all kind of we'll split on it. Yeah.

2675
02:00:34,194 --> 02:00:35,154
Speaker 5: So that's the games.

2676
02:00:35,554 --> 02:00:37,754
Speaker 3: We'll see what happens next week. That's the show.

2677
02:00:38,434 --> 02:00:40,434
Speaker 5: Paton Peabty's Great weekend from my hometown.

2678
02:00:40,634 --> 02:00:42,314
Speaker 3: No, that is that's the show.

2679
02:00:42,554 --> 02:00:45,754
Speaker 6: We'll Nope, Sorry, Pat, I tried here claiming.

2680
02:00:46,154 --> 02:00:49,514
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2681
02:00:50,434 --> 02:00:55,514
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