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Speaker 1: Jason Love the show, best basketball podcast in the game

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Speaker 1: right now, Thank you for the kind words. My question

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Speaker 1: or Virginia. Hi, Jason, what's up? I was curious about

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Speaker 1: some things which would be better for the Lakers. A

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Speaker 1: A couple things, a lot of different things to get

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Speaker 1: that position that makes sense as a guy like Herb Jones,

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Speaker 1: Dylan Brooks. That sort of thing discounted move for a

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Speaker 1: guy like that. I don't think Dylan Brooks is in

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Speaker 1: the same caliber of all around kind of like dynamic

433
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Speaker 1: athletic wing that a guy like Andrew Wiggins or Herb

434
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Speaker 1: Jones is. But he's reasonably close, and if you can

435
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Speaker 1: get him for cheap, I think he makes the Lakers better.

436
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Speaker 1: I certainly think that would be a decent move, But

437
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Speaker 1: for Dylan Brooks, I think I would want to get

438
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Speaker 1: it done for cheap if that makes sense, or for

439
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Speaker 1: less expensive. I should say, what the heck is wrong

440
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Speaker 1: with the Magic? The team looks terrible. They're playing tier

441
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Speaker 1: so far as projected around fifty plus wins early on

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Speaker 1: in the season. I'm right there with you. I was

443
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Speaker 1: of the opinion that the Orlando Magic had like the

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Speaker 1: best chance to keep up with Cleveland. I want to

445
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Speaker 1: say what I said in the Warriors segment, don't get

446
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Speaker 1: too high, don't get too low in the NBA regular season.

447
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 1: This Magic team is so stacked with talent that they

448
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Speaker 1: could go on a two week run where they go

449
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Speaker 1: seven to one and they could be right back at

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Speaker 1: the top of the Eastern Conference in that conversation, and

451
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Speaker 1: then another couple of weeks where they go, you know,

452
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Speaker 1: eight and three, or a month where they go eight

453
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Speaker 1: and three and suddenly they're you know, the two seed,

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Speaker 1: three seed again. So like, I don't want to sit

455
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Speaker 1: here and act as though the season is over just

456
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Speaker 1: because the Magic looked poor to start the season. That said,

457
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Speaker 1: I did express some concern before the year about how

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Speaker 1: even though I love the Desmond Bane fit because he

459
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Speaker 1: specifically addresses some needs for this team, I was concerned

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Speaker 1: that the Orlando Magic, led by Jamal Moseley, wouldn't use

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Speaker 1: him properly, and that fear came to fruition almost immediately

462
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Speaker 1: to start this season, and when you dig into it,

463
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Speaker 1: they're actually kind of using Bain and Paalo as like

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Speaker 1: your turn, my turn, superstars. I talked about I can't

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Speaker 1: even remember which game it was, but I did an

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Speaker 1: Orlando Magic segment where they lost a game, but I

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Speaker 1: thought they took a step forward on offense. And it

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Speaker 1: was a game it was against the Sixers, and it

469
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Speaker 1: was a game where they ran like seven possessions of

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Speaker 1: Bain Paolo inverted pick and roll where Paalo is the handler,

471
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Speaker 1: and I broke down in detail how they got great

472
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Speaker 1: looks every single time down the floor. And then the

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Speaker 1: other day I'm watching Hawks Magic and they don't run

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Speaker 1: it a single time in the first half, not a

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Speaker 1: single time. And I'm sitting there and I'm like, this

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Speaker 1: is the problem. There's no intentionality to the offense. There's

477
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Speaker 1: no here's our best offensive players, here's what they're great at.

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Speaker 1: Here's how we can get them to work and junction

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Speaker 1: with each other, and here's where the defense is vulnerable.

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Speaker 1: Here are our targets. Here are ways that we can

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Speaker 1: attack this particular defense to get great looks for this

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Speaker 1: particular lineup. There's no intentionality to what the Orlando Magic

483
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Speaker 1: do they literally just go play basketball? And you know,

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Speaker 1: I put a good amount of this blame on Pallo.

485
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Speaker 1: I've been kind of fascinated by this idea, the concept

486
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Speaker 1: of like organization versus natural high IQ basketball. I was

487
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Speaker 1: listening to Steph kind of break this down in his

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Speaker 1: in his interview that he did on the Mind the

489
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Speaker 1: Game podcast. The Warriors run sets, but there's also a

490
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Speaker 1: lot of natural read and react basketball that they do

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Speaker 1: on a possession to possession basis that almost looks like

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Speaker 1: sets because they are so smart that they all just

493
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Speaker 1: play a natural style of basketball that involves ball in

494
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Speaker 1: player movement and screening and cutting, and it gets all

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Speaker 1: these great easy opportunities. And one of the things I'm

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Speaker 1: noticing with Palo, and this isn't a death sentence, and

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Speaker 1: I'll get into why in a minute, but one of

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Speaker 1: the things I'm noticing with Palo is his natural inclination

499
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Speaker 1: is to play pick up basketball, to play let me

500
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Speaker 1: call for a random guard screen here, let me play iso,

501
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Speaker 1: let me get into my bag type of basketball. Pallo

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Speaker 1: does not play with intentionality on the offensive end of

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Speaker 1: the floor. What that means is is the Orlando Magic

504
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Speaker 1: as currently constructed desperately needs structure. They need a head

505
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Speaker 1: coach because they're not the Warriors and they're not going

506
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Speaker 1: to naturally play with ball and player movement and screening

507
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Speaker 1: and cutting. They need a coach that's going to come

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Speaker 1: in and heavily implement structure so that guys like Pallo

509
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Speaker 1: are not left to their own devices, because if they're

510
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Speaker 1: left to their own devices, there's going to be a

511
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Speaker 1: lot of wasted possessions that don't have that level of intentionality.

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Speaker 1: Desmond Bain hasn't been very good over the course of

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Speaker 1: the last couple of weeks, and I think a big

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Speaker 1: part of that is in this particular situation, surrounded by

515
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Speaker 1: the freelance basketball that isn't producing quality opportunities. He's not successful.

516
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Speaker 1: Desmond Bain isn't an ISO guy. Desmond Bain isn't a

517
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Speaker 1: guy that's going to be transcendently great with his individual gifts.

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Speaker 1: He is a player that thrives in structure. He thrives

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Speaker 1: in structure because he's a player that is excellent playing

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Speaker 1: off of screens. But if you have him running off

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Speaker 1: of the wrong types of screens with screening partners who

522
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Speaker 1: are not threats in poor spacing, it limits his success

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Speaker 1: in those situations. Why I've been asking for the Palo

524
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Speaker 1: Bain inverted pick and roll so much is because it's

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Speaker 1: a simple piece of structure that consistently will put the

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Speaker 1: defense in the bind with two players that are legitimate threats.

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Speaker 1: If you switch, Palo's gonna have a huge size advantage

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Speaker 1: that he's gonna be able to take for close range

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Speaker 1: baskets around the basket. If you don't, Palo's gonna get downhill.

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Speaker 1: If you hedge and recover, Desmond Bain's gonna get easy

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Speaker 1: closeouts where he's going to thrive. And we broke that

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Speaker 1: down in detail, and that Sixers game is an example

533
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Speaker 1: of where they got great shots every single time down

534
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Speaker 1: the floor. But ultimately the problem here is they are

535
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Speaker 1: a team that does not play with intentionality on offense.

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Speaker 1: They are left to their own devices too often, and

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Speaker 1: the natural inclinations of their players on the floor when

538
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Speaker 1: left to their own devices is to be in poor spacing,

539
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,680
Speaker 1: to make poor decisions in terms of who to screen

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Speaker 1: for who to play iso ball, to make the game

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Speaker 1: more difficult than it needs to be. And so ultimately

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Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think they're going to be

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Speaker 1: as bad as they've looked. I think they're too talented.

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Speaker 1: They're so damn talented that they're gonna find a lot

545
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Speaker 1: of ways to win games just simply based on paper skill,

546
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Speaker 1: like on Paper Town. But if this Magic team is

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Speaker 1: ever going to reach their goals, it's going to require

548
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Speaker 1: a coaching change toward towards a guy who brings enormous

549
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Speaker 1: structure to the offense. It's what they need. These guys

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Speaker 1: need to be told what to do in order to

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Speaker 1: thrive on the offensive end of the four. Hey, Jason,

552
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Speaker 1: love the show. I'm an Australian and would love to

553
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Speaker 1: know if this Josh Giddey emergence is a real thing

554
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 1: or not. After Paddy Mills and that generation of Australian

555
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 1: basketballers have gotten older, we need a new leader of

556
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Speaker 1: the national team. Is it possible it could be an

557
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Speaker 1: All star level? He could be at an all star

558
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Speaker 1: level where he does have to improve his game to

559
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Speaker 1: become a top twenty player in the league. And if

560
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Speaker 1: that ceiling even exists, So the numbers are insane. I

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Speaker 1: think he's have what twenty three, ten and nine to

562
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Speaker 1: start the season. He's been shooting well on catch and

563
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Speaker 1: shoot jumpers for a couple of years now, which has

564
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Speaker 1: made him more dynamic as an off ball player. I

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Speaker 1: think he deserves a lot of credit for the pace

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Speaker 1: that they've been playing at with kick ahead passes and

567
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Speaker 1: just bringing the ball up with speed and making early

568
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,440
Speaker 1: dribble drive attack and possessions that get the defense into rotation.

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Speaker 1: I saw, you know, and I don't take this seriously.

570
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 1: It's a straw man. But like I saw you know

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Speaker 1: some Bulls fans comparing him to Luca earlier, there's a

572
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Speaker 1: huge gap and shot making, like a gigantic, enormous gap

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Speaker 1: and shot making like every time Josh Getty shoots out

574
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Speaker 1: of pick and roll, he's getting just zero point six

575
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Speaker 1: y nine points per shot attempt. Like this is not

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Speaker 1: a guy that is a surgical shot maker the way

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Speaker 1: that Luka Doncic is. So I don't really look at

578
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Speaker 1: him like that, but he does fit the mold of

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Speaker 1: that like typical big bodied playmaker that can be methodical

580
00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 1: on his drives in terms of putting defenders in jail

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Speaker 1: and waiting for defenders to react and making the appropriate

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Speaker 1: kickout passes. I do look at him as that offensive

583
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Speaker 1: engine archetype that generates a lot of advantages that greases

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Speaker 1: the wheels for an entire offense. Again I mentioned the

585
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Speaker 1: pay stuff. It can be Tyre's Halliburton esque sometimes with

586
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Speaker 1: his ability to throw kickhead passes and get the offense

587
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Speaker 1: running up and down the floor. I think in order

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Speaker 1: for him to get to that all star level. Because

589
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Speaker 1: here's the thing right now, as a team, the Bulls

590
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Speaker 1: are shooting really, really well from three, and I'm not

591
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Speaker 1: sure how much longer they'll be able to maintain that,

592
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Speaker 1: although they are generating a good amount of good looks

593
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Speaker 1: for good shooters. But we'll see how long they can

594
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Speaker 1: maintain their three point shooting to this point in the season.

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Speaker 1: A big part of why they're six and one two

596
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:20,120
Speaker 1: is because of Nikola Vusevitch's shooting literally seven for ten

597
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Speaker 1: from the field in clutch situations, including the game winner

598
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Speaker 1: that he hit the other night in the Philadelphia seventy

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Speaker 1: six ers game. Right, So, like there's a certain amount

600
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Speaker 1: of some circumstances are going right for them, and things

601
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: will get tougher, Guys will cool off, things will get

602
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: more into half court situations. Teams will scout Chicago as

603
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Speaker 1: a team that likes to run a ton, and they

604
00:31:41,960 --> 00:31:44,760
Speaker 1: will start to be prepared for that with their transition

605
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Speaker 1: defense and stopping the ball, and that'll just put more

606
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Speaker 1: of a heavy emphasis on things like Josh Getty's shot

607
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Speaker 1: making and guys like Madis Buselli is hitting catch and

608
00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,080
Speaker 1: shoot threes, and certain little weak points that have come

609
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Speaker 1: up at various points this season. They've been in the

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Speaker 1: middle of the pack half court offense right, So like

611
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: those are the kinds of things that I think will

612
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 1: need to be worked out in order for them to

613
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Speaker 1: sustain success. But ultimately, Giddy has looked better. He's improved

614
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Speaker 1: as a scorer, He's improved as a catch and shoot player,

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Speaker 1: he is shown that he can run an offense at

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Speaker 1: a high level. I just think there's a pretty big

617
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Speaker 1: gap between him and the offensive engines at the top

618
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Speaker 1: of the league, and he needs to close that gap

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Speaker 1: in order to become an All Star or become the

620
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Speaker 1: kind of guy that can be the best offensive engine

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Speaker 1: on a serious playoff threat type of team. What's up,

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Speaker 1: Jason big Fan. One thing I've noticed while watching the

623
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Speaker 1: NBA this season is I feel like I'm seeing way

624
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Speaker 1: more zone than I typically see in the NBA. I

625
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Speaker 1: never really thought i'd see this much zone again. With

626
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Speaker 1: everybody being such good shooters. Why do you think teams

627
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: are showing zones so much now? And do you think

628
00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:51,280
Speaker 1: teams are any team's zones are translatable to the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: So a couple of things. Zone at the NBA level

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00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,240
Speaker 1: does look different than it does at like the college level.

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Speaker 1: At the college level, they're always playing the middle of

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Speaker 1: the floor moreggressively, and it's primarily designed to shut down

633
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Speaker 1: the paint and it's pretty easy to just swing the

634
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Speaker 1: ball around the perimeter and get catch and shoot three

635
00:33:07,280 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: point shot looks against a traditional kind of two three zone.

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Speaker 1: Most two three zones in the NBA are rangy, and

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00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: they kind of are almost more like four to one zones,

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00:33:16,440 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: where the wings and the top are more keyed in

639
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 1: on the three point line. The big is staying back

640
00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: and they're kind of leaving the middle of the floor open.

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00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: It's more designed to try to give up like mid

642
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,000
Speaker 1: range jump shots and to contain dribble penetration. So like that,

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Speaker 1: it does look a little bit different at the NBA level,

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Speaker 1: But the reason why we're seeing so much of it

645
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Speaker 1: is pretty simple. It's the same reason why we're seeing

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Speaker 1: a lot of transition pushes from teams like Miami, teams

647
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 1: like Chicago, teams like Portland. It's a copycat league. If

648
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Speaker 1: you're a smart person and you're a competitive then you're

649
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,160
Speaker 1: always looking at the people around you in your industry

650
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 1: that are having success and you're going why are they

651
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:54,480
Speaker 1: having success? And you're thinking like, what are they doing?

652
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Speaker 1: What can I do to try to be more like them? Right?

653
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: And NBA coaches that are watching Indiana have the success

654
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Speaker 1: that they had last year in the postseason, that are

655
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: watching Oklahoma City have the success that they had in

656
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Speaker 1: the postseason, that are watching teams like Denver have success

657
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Speaker 1: with zone in the postseason, You're seeing all these teams

658
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: go mixing up coverages with zone is working, pushing the

659
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 1: pace and playing in transition, a ton is working, ball

660
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: pressure is working, and so all of these coaches around

661
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,839
Speaker 1: the league are essentially trying to copy that for good

662
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: reason because they want to have success similar to the

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Speaker 1: teams that have had great success around the NBA. First

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Speaker 1: of all, a great fan of the show and I

665
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 1: basically watch every episode. I wanted to make a more

666
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Speaker 1: conceptual question, how do you factor in position when rating

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Speaker 1: defensive capability. I think that bad to average defender can

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00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: be more or less detrimental to his team depending on

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Speaker 1: which position he plays. For example, in a vacuum, I

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00:34:50,160 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: think Jokic is a slightly better defender than Luca, but

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00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:54,400
Speaker 1: I'd rather have Luke on my team when building a

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Speaker 1: defense simply because he allows me to play a center

673
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: and they tradition and they generally have the most impact

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Speaker 1: on the floor because they can provide rim protection and

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Speaker 1: shot blocking. Additionally, I think the reverse applies too. For example,

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Speaker 1: even though Marcus Smart was dpoy and played amazing defense

677
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty two, I'd prefer a defender is worse

678
00:35:11,239 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 1: in a vacuum but does provide rim protection and shot

679
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: blocking like go Bear when a team is when building

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Speaker 1: a team defense, I was just wondering what your thoughts

681
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: are in this conceptually, and whether you have some thoughts

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00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: on offense that are similar conceptually. So I disagree about

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Speaker 1: the Luka Jokic cop The main reason why is that

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Speaker 1: I think that it's actually easier to build a defense

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Speaker 1: around a guy like Jokic in the sense that he

686
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:39,240
Speaker 1: won is like an absolutely dominant defensive rebounder. But two,

687
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 1: you can build a traditional defensive scheme around the idea

688
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:45,279
Speaker 1: of bringing your big up to the level. So if

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Speaker 1: Yokic isn't a great rim protector, he is good at

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Speaker 1: getting up to the level of screens, being active with

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Speaker 1: his hands, getting deflections on passes into the pocket and

692
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,799
Speaker 1: stuff like that. And he's a good communicator, high IQ

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Speaker 1: defender that can kind of work through the sequences in

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Speaker 1: terms of calling out act and helping his teammates. Right,

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00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: then there's a basic kind of concept on the backside. Right,

696
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,319
Speaker 1: Aaron Gordon comes over as the low man. When the

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00:36:07,320 --> 00:36:09,319
Speaker 1: ball gets kicked out, you x out, so the guy

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00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: from the top of the wing drops to the corner,

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Speaker 1: Aaron Gordon goes out to the wing. There's like rotational

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Speaker 1: concepts that you can use to cover for that, as

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Speaker 1: we saw in the Boston series in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: The Luka Doncic type, the perimeter based defender that like

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00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,560
Speaker 1: can't guard the ball. They're a little bit more vulnerable

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, while also not being the type of

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Speaker 1: big sized deterrent that you get from a guy like

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Speaker 1: Nikola jokicch so I and Lucas a guy who I

707
00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: think is an underrated off ball defender to the point

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Speaker 1: that you're trying to make, But I think I lean

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Speaker 1: slightly towards Jokich as a defender than a guy like Luca.

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Speaker 1: The concept you're talking about, I think is interesting in

711
00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 1: the sense that I look at your foundational defensive roles

712
00:36:52,080 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: as guarding the opposing star in defending ball screens. So

713
00:36:57,239 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: those two positions are arguably the most horton positions to

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Speaker 1: be good at. However, I think the bigger problem is

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Speaker 1: less like do you have a Rudy Gobert, you know,

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Speaker 1: all world screens stopper who can get up to the

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Speaker 1: level and play a deeper drop and blitz and switch

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00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:17,840
Speaker 1: on to guys and do all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: I think it's more important to not have a guy

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Speaker 1: that is a complete and total space case. The guys

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Speaker 1: that get absolutely fried at the five spot, it's usually

722
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 1: a mental thing. It's usually that they're just never in

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Speaker 1: the right spot. They're lunging at guys they shouldn't be

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00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,080
Speaker 1: lunging at, staying back when they shouldn't be staying back,

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00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: going for a shot block and leaving an easy offensive

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Speaker 1: rebound opportunity. So like for a guy like Jokic, for instance,

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Speaker 1: even though he doesn't have the physical tools obviously, as

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Speaker 1: a guy like Rudy Gobert, he's a high IQ defender

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00:37:47,080 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: that like can lock in and be in the right

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Speaker 1: spots and at least not be a problem. And then

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Speaker 1: if you have a lineup where there's no guy on

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Speaker 1: the floor that can guard the opposing star, that can

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Speaker 1: be an issue. Right. So, like overall, I think those

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00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: are the two most important position groups in terms of

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00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 1: building a foundational defense. But no matter what, you can

736
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Speaker 1: anchor with guys around. So for instance, like you can

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Speaker 1: have a weaker rim protector if you've got four elite

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00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 1: perimeter defenders around them, right, you can have lesser perimmeter

739
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:18,960
Speaker 1: defenders if you have an elite rim protector. Right. There's

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Speaker 1: certain groups that are more of a switching look, right,

741
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:23,799
Speaker 1: Like we've seen this with Portland and their centerless looks,

742
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:26,839
Speaker 1: where it's like it's not really about having one supremely

743
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:30,480
Speaker 1: gifted on ball defender or this awesome rim protector. It's like,

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00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: take your pick, do you want to try to drive

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00:38:32,200 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: it Jeremy Grant or Denny Avdia or Drew excuse me,

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00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:38,239
Speaker 1: Drew Holliday or Jimani Kamara, like, which one of these

747
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:39,719
Speaker 1: guys do you want to go at? Right? So, like

748
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 1: a lot of it is about team construct as well.

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Speaker 1: Can anyone explain why im Udoka keeps insisting on the

750
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Speaker 1: zone defense. First of all, the zone defense has been

751
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:56,480
Speaker 1: working for Houston. It's actually been working a little bit

752
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: better than their man demand defense. They have an eighty

753
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: nine defensive rating with their zone looks in the half court,

754
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 1: and then their half court man looks are getting a

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00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:07,959
Speaker 1: ninety one defensive rating, so they've actually been a little

756
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: bit better That eighty nine defensive rating. Zone is actually

757
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 1: the seventh best out of any team in the league,

758
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: but it's also doubled in volume of the second place team,

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00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,359
Speaker 1: Like they run by far the most zone. They run

760
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 1: like eighteen possessions of game and the second place team

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00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,759
Speaker 1: runs less than ten, So it has less noise in

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Speaker 1: the data because it's such a larger sample than the

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Speaker 1: rest of the teams. They're just an awesome zone defense.

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Speaker 1: I think it makes sense because they're not particularly fast,

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00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:36,279
Speaker 1: but they are big, so they can cover ground and

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Speaker 1: stay stationary relative to a man de man look when

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00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:42,080
Speaker 1: they're in the zone. They are running their zone primarily

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00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 1: when Steven Adams is on the floor too. That's something

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00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:46,120
Speaker 1: to keep in mind, and it's part of just trying

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Speaker 1: to keep Steven Adams out of space and try to

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00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:51,320
Speaker 1: keep them closer to the rim. But overall, emails insisting

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Speaker 1: on zone because it works. It's not really any more

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00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:58,760
Speaker 1: complicated than that you said. Jah is one of maybe

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00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 1: twelve players in the with a foundational superstar skill, with

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00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 1: his being elite athleticism and downhill pressure. Who are those

776
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: other players in the NBA and what are their skills

777
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,759
Speaker 1: Jokich offensive mastery for example, Wenby's defensive prowess, et cetera.

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Speaker 1: Thanks and keep going, best ballpod in the game. Thank

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00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: you so much for the kind words and the support.

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Speaker 1: I ended up putting sixteen names down. And again, what

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00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: I'm looking at, hear is an individual skill set that

782
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: is impossible to account for defensively without throwing the kitchen

783
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Speaker 1: sink at them. So I'm gonna start with all like

784
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 1: the classic big playmakers, there's four of them here. This

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00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: is Luca, this is Nicola, jokicch, this is Kate Cunningham.

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Speaker 1: This is Lebron, although Lebron's obviously kind of aged out

787
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: of this equation. But just kind of more as like

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00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:54,320
Speaker 1: a proof of concept, but it's a combination of size, scoring,

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Speaker 1: and playmaking those three pieces together. When you're so damn

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00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 1: big and so good at score the basketball that you

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00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:04,280
Speaker 1: have to send additional defenders. But then they can pass

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00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: better than just about anybody out of those situations. That's

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Speaker 1: their foundational trait. Then we get into kind of like

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00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:15,800
Speaker 1: the unicorn type. So like Giannis overwhelming power, Steph Curry,

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00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 1: best shooter to ever touch the earth, but also one

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00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: of the best conditioned athletes on the earth. It was

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00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:25,240
Speaker 1: constantly running around in circles that breaks defenses. Wemby length

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00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: and mobility obviously, right, no one moves like that at

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00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 1: his size, and no one has that fluidity off the

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00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,560
Speaker 1: dribble that he does at his size. And you could

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00:41:32,640 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: argue even if Wemby was a mediocre offensive player, he'd

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00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: still have the ability to be the best player in

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00:41:37,280 --> 00:41:39,879
Speaker 1: the league because of how good he is defensively. Kevin

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00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:43,600
Speaker 1: Durant seven footer that's fluid and can shoot the basketball.

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00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:46,839
Speaker 1: So those are like kind of the kind of unicorn types.

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00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 1: I think that includes Zion Williamson in this too, rim pressure,

807
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: short range shot making and playmaking, but also just like

808
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:55,799
Speaker 1: built like a refrigerator, that sort of thing. Shake Yos

809
00:41:55,840 --> 00:41:59,319
Speaker 1: is Alexander start stop quickness and body control at his

810
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: size combined with shot making. LaMelo Ball He's not really

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Speaker 1: the size and power of the big playmakers we named earlier,

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00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:12,600
Speaker 1: but he brings good size to the guard position, excellent

813
00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 1: jump shooting and playmaking. He's a guy that obviously had

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00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: the As we get into this kind of tail end

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Speaker 1: of the list, these are guys that haven't really These

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00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 1: guys haven't really materialized as legitimate superstar talents, but they

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00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 1: have the baseline set of skills necessary to where if

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00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:32,360
Speaker 1: things go right, they can become that type of superstar.

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Speaker 1: To me, if LaMelo Ball can stay healthy and if

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Speaker 1: he continues to improve as a defender, improve in some

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00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: of his shot selections stuff, I do think LaMelo Ball

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Speaker 1: has superstar potentially. He's a guy who can damn near

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00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 1: average a thirty point triple double in the NBA. Like

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00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: you'd be foolish to not consider him as that type

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00:42:45,719 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: of talent, even if it hasn't materialized. Pallo pallow to

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00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:55,240
Speaker 1: me the kind of freelancing, low iq attack on offense

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00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 1: that can be frustrating sometimes, but he has the size,

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00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: power and polish to if he can figure that stuff out,

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00:43:03,080 --> 00:43:04,760
Speaker 1: or if he gets with the right coach that can

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00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 1: apply structure around him. I think Paalo's a guy that

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00:43:08,200 --> 00:43:11,800
Speaker 1: could be a defense breaking type of weapon. Zion Williamson

832
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: we mentioned earlier, but he's an example of a guy

833
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 1: that hasn't really materializes that top tier superstar, but he's

834
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 1: got that unbelievable foundational trait. If he could just stay healthy,

835
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 1: and if he could get good enough on defense, and

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Speaker 1: if they surrounded him with the right type of talent,

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Speaker 1: you could see a universe where Zion could have that

838
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:32,719
Speaker 1: type of MVP level campaign. Anthony Edwards, I should have

839
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 1: put him higher up on this list, but supreme athleticism

840
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: in size for him is just putting together the defense

841
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 1: and the mid range shot making piece and just continuing

842
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: to improve as a playmaker. John Morant the same kind

843
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:45,680
Speaker 1: of thing as Zion, just rim pressure with short range

844
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,399
Speaker 1: shot making and playmaking. And then I actually added Chet

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00:43:48,400 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 1: Holmgren to this list. Is my sixteenth guy. I'm actually

846
00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: I'm missing one other a Men Thompson and Men Thompson

847
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 1: to me kind of has a little bit of that

848
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 1: John Morant as well, like unbelievable rim pressure, sure, but

849
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 1: also the playmaking and short range shot making to potentially

850
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: be a devastating offensive weapon. Chet Holmgren. I put him

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00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 1: in here because it's elite rim protection switch ability to

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00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,240
Speaker 1: guard all these different positions, and he has the potential

853
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: to be a guy who averages twenty five points per

854
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:17,520
Speaker 1: game in the NBA at high efficiencies. Like this generation's

855
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:21,360
Speaker 1: kind of like weird perimeter oriented version of Anthony Davis

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00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 1: in terms of a two way weapon as a rim protector.

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Speaker 1: But again, that doesn't mean we have sixteen superstars in

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Speaker 1: many of them are about to get there, and some

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Speaker 1: Last one quickly here, I had someone say, man, you

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Speaker 1: if your team, if you've been thinking like, oh, I

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Speaker 1: you know, I am a Hawks fan and I want

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Speaker 1: whatever it might be, all you got to do is

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Speaker 1: go to our channel, go to playlists and scroll down

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Speaker 1: to your team and click that playlist and you will

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Speaker 1: see a link to every single video we've done this

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Speaker 1: year that references that team. That should give you an

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Speaker 1: team if that's what you're looking for. And again, I

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Speaker 1: do the best I can. The top teams in the league,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna talk about a lot more. The middle tier

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Speaker 1: teams in the league, I'm only going to talk about,

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Speaker 1: you know, three or four times in the entire season.

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Speaker 1: That's just how we orient our coverage. I know that

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Speaker 1: that's not the same as some of the other tea

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Speaker 1: people cover the league out there, but that's the way

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Speaker 1: we orient it. We do our best with the channel

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Speaker 1: easy to find for you guys. But again, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the Nuggets have played seven games and we've talked about

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Speaker 1: four of them, so you can find that in that

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Speaker 1: Nuggets folder if you're looking for some Nuggets content. All right, guys,

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Speaker 1: it's all I have for today is always sincerely appreciate

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Speaker 1: you guys for supporting us and supporting the show. I

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Speaker 1: hope every one of you enjoys your weekend. If you

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Speaker 1: night for Lakers Hawks on playback. That should be some fun.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited to get that endeavor off the ground. I'll

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Speaker 1: be taking callers, so you'll have an opportunity to come

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Speaker 1: on and ask questions, talk about the game, stuff like that. Again,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you guys for rocking with us in supporting

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