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Speaker 1: On this week's episode of Cultivating her Space.

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Speaker 2: Stage one of my practice is understanding purpose and what's important,

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Speaker 2: and then we look at clarity and then reflection.

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Speaker 3: And in that reflection piece, you might loose as a client.

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Speaker 3: You know, you might lose someone.

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Speaker 2: Because reflection truly means you're going to experience why I

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Speaker 2: did what I did that got me here.

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Speaker 1: Today's episode is sure to provide you with motivation, inspiration,

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Speaker 1: or a fresh perspective. If you have any AHA moments

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Speaker 4: Welcome to Cultivating her Space, a podcast dedicated to uplifting

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Speaker 4: women like you. We're your hosts doctor Dominique Brussard, a

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Speaker 4: college professor and psychologist.

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Speaker 1: And Terry Lomax, a techie and motivational speaker.

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Speaker 5: And a world where black women are often misrepresented and misunderstood,

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Speaker 5: please join us as we initiate authentic conversations on everything

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Speaker 5: from fibroids to fake friends and create a safe space

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Speaker 5: where black women can just be.

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Speaker 6: Okay, lady, have you ever met someone at work and

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Speaker 6: you're like, vibin, that's gonna be my friend, friend that

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Speaker 6: ever happened to you? Well, today's guest started out as

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Speaker 6: a colleague, but now he is my brother from another mother.

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Speaker 6: He's smart, smart, y'all okay, and his bio has some

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Speaker 6: big words, but don't let that deter you. Okay, Stay tuned,

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Speaker 6: Stay tuned until the end. Ben Atkins is the CEO

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Speaker 6: of Ben Atkins Coaching Solutions, with a wealth of experience

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Speaker 6: and technical process improvement, program and project management and implementing

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Speaker 6: agile methodologies to enhance workflow and standardization in corporate organizations.

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Speaker 6: Ben has worked with a diverse range of industries and

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Speaker 6: improvements have saved companies hundreds of dollars in countless hours

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Speaker 6: partnered with organizations in South Africa and Latin America to

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Speaker 6: and process improvement. Ben as a certified agile professional, coach

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Speaker 6: and practitioner, scrum master, and product owner through Ice Agile

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Speaker 6: been focused on mentoring and coaching individuals and their career

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Speaker 6: professional goals. He has successfully coached more than one hundred

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Speaker 6: individuals to date and is passionate about helping others achieve

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Speaker 6: their fullest potential. Ben Atkins, welcome to cultivating her space.

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Speaker 3: Thank you, I'm glad to be here.

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Speaker 7: We're so excited to have you.

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Speaker 8: All right, Yes, we are looking forward to this conversation.

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Speaker 8: So I will jump in with our quote of the day.

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Speaker 8: Success is only meaningful and enjoyable if it feels like

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Speaker 8: your own, from our forever first Lady, Michelle Obama.

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Speaker 1: So I'm I'll read that quote.

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Speaker 8: One more time for the people in the back. Success

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Speaker 8: is only meaningful and enjoyable if it feels like your own. Okay, So, Ben,

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Speaker 8: I hear you ones are? I see you engaging and

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Speaker 8: like your facial expression was like ooh, I'm in thought

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Speaker 2: Again, thank you for inviting me on the show. When

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Speaker 2: And when we understand the important things in our lives,

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Speaker 2: when we ask ourselves those big questions what's important to me?

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Speaker 2: And then when we ask ourselves what's my purpose, that's

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Speaker 3: Often we go down the road of figuring it out.

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Speaker 2: We go get the degree we were told to get,

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Speaker 2: we get frustrated, like, yeah, I'm making money.

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Speaker 9: Yeah I'm enjoying my life, but I dread Monday morning

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Speaker 9: because we're not living in our purpose. Because we didn't

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Speaker 2: In the world, and that became what we decided was, Hey,

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Speaker 6: Okay, so you're just gonna start preaching like a couple

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Speaker 2: To ste episode.

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Speaker 3: I got you.

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Speaker 6: So, Ben, let's just dive into it. Let's tell the

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Speaker 6: people who you are. What is your origin story and

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Speaker 6: how did you become the Ben Atkins that we see today.

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Speaker 2: My origin story is so unconventional to other people's careers.

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Speaker 8: Okay, Paul Fall Fall Fall taught all right, So I

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Speaker 8: know that we have people who are listening and they're like, way,

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Speaker 8: that big question that they ask all the kids, what

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Speaker 2: I was in my seventh grade Spanish class and they

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Speaker 3: But that's what we That's what I thought was Latino.

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Speaker 6: But what did that experience require of you in order

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Speaker 8: I appreciate that explanation. And as I'm listening to you

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Speaker 7: All right, let's get back into it.

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Speaker 2: When we understand what is important to us. And that's difficult.

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Speaker 2: frustrated because I allowed external stimulation to move things from me.

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Speaker 3: But agile allowed me to stay focused.

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Speaker 2: It allowed me to visualize what I need to do,

442
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Speaker 2: what I want to do, what I would like to do,

443
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Speaker 2: and then develop what's important out of those things to me.

444
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Speaker 2: And when I understood what was important, then I could

445
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Speaker 2: prioritize that and say, all right, I have to do

446
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Speaker 2: this in the next two months. That can wait till

447
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Speaker 2: the next three months, and that can wait to the

448
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Speaker 2: next four months.

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Speaker 3: And when I can see it, then I'm going to

450
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Speaker 3: start to activate it.

451
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Speaker 2: I'm going to identify what people, what things do I

452
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Speaker 2: need to get these things.

453
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Speaker 3: Done, and then lastly executing one of those things.

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Speaker 6: I love that, And it sounds like ben like if

455
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Speaker 6: I had to visualize it, it's kind of like if someone,

456
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Speaker 6: you know, how, they say, throw your ideas at the

457
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Speaker 6: wall and see what sticks. It's kind of like throwing

458
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Speaker 6: the ideas up on the wall, letting them stick, and

459
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Speaker 6: then organizing them and breaking them down into either bite

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Speaker 6: sized chunks or phases so that you can actually achieve

461
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Speaker 6: them versus being overwhelmed by all the things that are

462
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Speaker 6: on the wall.

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Speaker 7: I love that. I love it.

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Speaker 8: Guys, Okay, all right, But as we're looking at this wall,

465
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Speaker 8: right and we've like thrown out like three or four

466
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Speaker 8: different things that thick, I mean, you map it out,

467
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Speaker 8: and we figured out what to do for each of those, right,

468
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Speaker 8: how do we know which one to choose first? Or

469
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Speaker 8: do we have to choose just one? Can we do

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Speaker 8: more than one at a time?

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, So we have to go back to phase one,

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Speaker 2: Tier one, which is what is important. When you understand

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Speaker 2: what's important to you, and let's say it's three different things.

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Speaker 2: Working with a coach allows you to strategize. You know,

475
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Speaker 2: we don't really strategize on our own. We think very

476
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Speaker 2: critically on our own a strategy, what are we bouncing

477
00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,880
Speaker 2: off of? When you think about what strategy means, you're

478
00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 2: bouncing ideas off of other ideas. And if it's just you,

479
00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 2: then you're not really getting anything other than what you think.

480
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:29,359
Speaker 2: And so using a coach to strategize around what is important,

481
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Speaker 2: you're now seeing all right, cool? I think these two

482
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Speaker 2: things are important. Now someone's asking you why why are

483
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Speaker 2: they important? Let's talk about return. So when I work

484
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Speaker 2: with corporate organizations, it's always the return. So we quickly

485
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Speaker 2: get to that piece of what is the return, and

486
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Speaker 2: then we'll work our way through the middle.

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Speaker 3: Of how to get there. And I believe that.

488
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Speaker 2: In our lives and don't come for me, y'all, But

489
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 2: in our relationships, what's the return?

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Speaker 3: Why am I going to do this?

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Speaker 2: Why am I going to sign up this contract with

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Speaker 2: a person, a business.

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Speaker 3: A job to do? What is the return to me?

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Speaker 2: And so if the return on a relationship is die

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Speaker 2: old with you, wake up in the morning and have

496
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Speaker 2: coffee with you, somebody to walk in the park with.

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Speaker 2: When we in our seventies if that's the return that

498
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Speaker 2: you desire, what are those people giving you in the middle,

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Speaker 2: then that information really isn't as not really important. If

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Speaker 2: they cannot decide that I can give you that ending,

501
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 2: we can figure out the rest of the middle. So

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Speaker 2: we think about, you know, job opportunities and how we

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Speaker 2: deal with people companies go all right, cool partnering with you.

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Speaker 3: You're agreeing that I'm going to earn a.

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Speaker 2: Forty percent interest and dividends after your acquisition.

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Speaker 3: Whatever, that's what I care about. How we get there,

507
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Speaker 3: we'll figure it out.

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Speaker 2: Those things are going to change, because if we write

509
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,440
Speaker 2: a plan to get there, the plan messes up on us.

510
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 2: We get disappointed, we get frustrated because we're not allowing

511
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Speaker 2: ourselves to see change. It's okay that things change, but

512
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Speaker 2: if we have the same concept of what the end

513
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Speaker 2: would be, the change in the middle, we're open to that.

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Speaker 2: We're agile about the change.

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Speaker 6: Now, then, speaking of jobs, you mentioned jobs, let me

516
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Speaker 6: just say, lady, Ben is Ben knows how. I'm trying

517
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Speaker 6: to figure out how to word this powerfully, Okay, because

518
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Speaker 6: this is a conversation that the world will hear. But

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Speaker 6: you know how to Ben knows how to maximize the

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Speaker 6: benefits of corporate Okay, we're not going to get into

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Speaker 6: all the details, but let me ask you this question, Ben,

522
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Speaker 6: what should an employee, a new employee focus on in

523
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Speaker 6: the first thirty to ninety days on the job.

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Speaker 3: That's multi tiered.

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Speaker 2: General employees should just focus on understanding their job and

526
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Speaker 2: doing well at that job.

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Speaker 3: You're going to be tempted with who I want to

528
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Speaker 3: be in that position.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna be tempted with that, but be focused on

530
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Speaker 2: getting the job done.

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Speaker 3: I've been in that space where I'm managing teams.

532
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Speaker 2: And first week at new hires talking about their next position,

533
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Speaker 2: and I'm.

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Speaker 3: Like, Bro, you don't know what the hell you do

535
00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 3: it now?

536
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Speaker 2: Bro, you can't turn your computer role, like learn to

537
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Speaker 2: turn a computer role first. And it's not that I

538
00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 2: don't want to support your interest, you know, because I

539
00:31:22,600 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 2: think that's important. But corporate is not like I'm gonna

540
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 2: get my bachelor's degree and then it's not the same way.

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Speaker 3: Like I need to do a really good job here.

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Speaker 2: But when I say it's multifaceted there, then for black employees,

543
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Speaker 2: you need to do your job, but you also need

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Speaker 2: to build you is what I call a fuck you folder,

545
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Speaker 2: and that's what you're gonna hold in your personal You

546
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Speaker 2: go hold that in your personal Gmail drive or whatever

547
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 2: drive you have personal. Anytime someone says something you don't like,

548
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 2: even if you don't respond, your pace screenshot, send that

549
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,959
Speaker 2: to that folder. You want to start building this process.

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00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:09,720
Speaker 2: Who is this person? Who is this organization? If you

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Speaker 2: schedule a meeting with your manager, it's very tedious, but

552
00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 2: I'm going to tell you why you have to do it.

553
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 2: It's tedious. But your schedule a meeting with your manager

554
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Speaker 2: in your thirty to ninety days and they cancel, screenshot

555
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 2: the cancelation from them, send it to your drive because

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Speaker 2: they likely will do it again and again and at

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Speaker 2: ninety days. Often what happens in a lot of organizations

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Speaker 2: today is the organization will start to evaluate your progress

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Speaker 2: and if you have not achieved what they believed that

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Speaker 2: you should have achieved in ninety days, they may let

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Speaker 2: you go. So when I mentioned for black people in

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Speaker 2: that second tiers that you are building this.

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Speaker 3: Idea, like all right, cool, in ninety days, I've been here.

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Speaker 2: I sent you emails about XYZ, I sent you invitation,

565
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Speaker 2: you canceled them.

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Speaker 3: So in that moment. That's the big CYA situation for.

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Speaker 2: A black person because you won't get the same grace

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Speaker 2: that they'll give someone else. That's the reality. I've seen it.

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Speaker 2: I've been a part of it. You won't get the

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Speaker 2: same grace.

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Speaker 7: Question.

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Speaker 8: Now, most of us who've been in the work world

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Speaker 8: for a little bit know what CYA is. But for

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Speaker 8: those who might be new to corporate, what is cya?

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Speaker 2: CYA is covered your ass everywhere if you send an email.

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Speaker 3: I can remember sending emails that I just didn't like.

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Speaker 3: I was like blind copy.

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Speaker 2: Send it to myself, and I did not realize that

579
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Speaker 2: I would need those things sometimes. You know, there were

580
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Speaker 2: circumstances where I was dealing with difficulties with my leadership

581
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Speaker 2: and I was able to go into my fuck you

582
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Speaker 2: folder and pull out some things and say, but I

583
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Speaker 2: email him on this. I emailed him on that. I

584
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Speaker 2: emailed them on this. I didn't get a response, So

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Speaker 2: their non response is seeming complicit to my experience or

586
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Speaker 2: my behavior. I tried to reach out, and that's why

587
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Speaker 2: we see why a while we cover our ass. And

588
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Speaker 2: I've seen it and the reason why I make the distinction.

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00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:26,040
Speaker 2: You know, my white brothers and I've seen it where

590
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Speaker 2: they don't cover their ass and nothing happens. That's just reality.

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00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 2: It's a slap on the hand if that. But I've

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Speaker 2: seen with the smallest minute things people of color will

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Speaker 2: have to cover their ass or you're facing termination or

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Speaker 2: being put on a performance improvement plan.

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Speaker 6: And that takes us to our next question, ben like,

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Speaker 6: what practices can black people put into place to cya

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Speaker 6: or cover their ass on the job? And I also

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Speaker 6: kind of want to add in the little part be

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Speaker 6: to that question. You talked about the fuck you folder.

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Speaker 6: I'm assuming because we talked about this before that there's

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Speaker 6: like a praise folder as well. When you get that

602
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Speaker 6: feedback and someone's like, oh, great job. So what are

603
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:04,960
Speaker 6: some of the other best practices that black people can

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Speaker 6: use to cover their ass on the job? Because the

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Speaker 6: playing field is not equal for us.

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Speaker 2: Right, absolutely, So I'll start with the praise folder anything.

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Speaker 2: I see this work so many times where I coached

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Speaker 2: an individual on and my boss always tells me how

609
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Speaker 2: great things are, like you screenshot it. And once I

610
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Speaker 2: gave her that and she started doing it and she

611
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Speaker 2: was it was time for promotion.

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Speaker 3: We worked together and at the time and she came

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Speaker 3: for promotion. They told her.

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Speaker 2: No, she came to me, and so immediately, because I

615
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Speaker 2: just adored this person, I was like, I'm scared of him.

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Speaker 3: I was like, John, let's talk. Why did this happen?

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Speaker 2: And he gave me his BS explanation and so I

618
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Speaker 2: was like, so and so, send me that folder. And

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Speaker 2: she sent me the folder. I on her behalf walked

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Speaker 2: through all of those things. But you told her this,

621
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Speaker 2: You told her things were fantastic. You told her she

622
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Speaker 2: was the best on the team. You told her and

623
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Speaker 2: we see it in the stats, and she's your best employe.

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Speaker 3: So why didn't she get this?

625
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 8: Now?

626
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Speaker 2: Granted, did I ruin a relationship. I damaged it, but

627
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Speaker 2: that was four years ago. Me and that person just

628
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,200
Speaker 2: went had drinks last week. It's not damaging when you

629
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Speaker 2: are able to coach and teach and mentor simultaneously, where

630
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Speaker 2: it's not me attacking you, it's me saying, hey, one

631
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Speaker 2: of my people deserves this promotion, and here is the facts.

632
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Speaker 2: And so when you take these moments, it's tedious. But

633
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 2: when you take the moments to screenshot and forward those

634
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 2: emails to yourself, you can build this case of why

635
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 2: you deserve that promotion. If they're looking at merit alone,

636
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,120
Speaker 2: you have it, and you're going to build that and

637
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,160
Speaker 2: take that and build it into a really nice document

638
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Speaker 2: that says, on this date, I did this, on this date,

639
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 2: I did that.

640
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Speaker 3: And at those things. I've seen it where it works.

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00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 2: It's still a challenge, but I've seen where we win

642
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 2: when we do this work.

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Speaker 6: As y'all know, when the performance review comes at the

644
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Speaker 6: end of the year, we'd be like, wait, what did

645
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Speaker 6: I do this year?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 6: I forgot bab. You have your praise your praise folder.

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Speaker 6: You know exactly where to go. So yes, yes, well.

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Speaker 8: I think that it might be time to shift up

650
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Speaker 8: the energy.

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Speaker 7: Oh true, true, I'm ready for the next question.

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Speaker 6: I'm like, I got more question. I'm trying to hear

653
00:37:32,160 --> 00:37:34,799
Speaker 6: it from Ben. Okay, So Ben, let's get into it.

654
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Speaker 6: So Ben, we're going to shift up the energy just

655
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Speaker 6: a little bit. And because we recognize, appreciate, and celebrate

656
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Speaker 6: the multifaceted woman, and we believe that it's okay to

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Speaker 6: be bougie and classy and ratchet, we want to invite

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Speaker 6: you to the ou blatchet segment.

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Speaker 7: So Ben, do you take on the challenge?

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Speaker 3: I take on the challenge.

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Speaker 6: Let's go all right, let's get it. Let's get it

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Speaker 6: so down. Now that we got him, we're going to

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Speaker 6: go ahead, and I'm looking at all the goodies we

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Speaker 6: have over here on screen for you.

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Speaker 7: Got some surprises for you over here. Ben. We're going

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Speaker 7: to start off with our three questions. We're going to

667
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Speaker 7: ask you three questions.

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Speaker 6: We're going to share three sentence completions, and then we

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Speaker 6: have three photos pulled up on the big screen that

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Speaker 6: Well shared with you. We want you to choose one

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Speaker 6: of the photos and give us some context about the

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Speaker 6: photo that we would not know unless we were there

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Speaker 6: or unless we were you. So our first question for

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Speaker 6: you is what's the best piece of wisdom or advice

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Speaker 6: you've ever received?

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Speaker 3: Keep a living.

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Speaker 2: My uncle, who I have the privilege of taking care

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Speaker 2: of in his last two years of life, we have

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Speaker 2: some amazing ties, talk to a lot of shit, and

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Speaker 2: he said keep living. At almost thirty five, I find

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Speaker 2: myself saying this to nieces and nephews when they talk

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Speaker 2: about their troubles and what they're keep living, keep living.

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Speaker 8: I love that that is. Yes, I have received that

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Speaker 8: that wisdom from the elders as well. And yes, yes,

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Speaker 8: and as an auntie, I passed it down to like,

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Speaker 8: yet keep living. He's living, all right. So our next question,

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Speaker 8: I got four words for you, t work or two steps.

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Speaker 3: Two steps I'm from.

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Speaker 6: This is true. We definitely went out dancing. I saw

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Speaker 6: you two steps and so you r you right. The

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Speaker 6: last question for you, Ben is what is the sexiest

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Speaker 6: item you own?

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Speaker 8: Me?

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Speaker 3: I'm the item. I oh, yeah, yeah, I'm here for it.

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Speaker 3: Ice stocks here, I stock here.

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Speaker 8: Yes, you have believe in before anybody else came so yes.

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Speaker 8: All right, So now we have the sentence completion.

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Speaker 3: Okay.

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Speaker 8: One question or topic I wish people asked me about

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Speaker 8: more often is.

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Speaker 2: How did I get here? How did I get here?

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Speaker 2: Because I shouldn't be here? Statistics say I should not

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Speaker 2: be here in this space from as a black man.

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Speaker 2: Professionally I should still be a teacher. How did I

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Speaker 2: get here?

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Speaker 7: Well, we're going to switch it up a little bit.

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Speaker 6: Instead of doing another sentence completion, We're just going to

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Speaker 6: ask a question, man, how.

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Speaker 7: Did you get here? How did you get here?

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Speaker 8: Ben?

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Speaker 7: Tell us how you get here?

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Speaker 2: I saw people and things, and I wanted to be

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Speaker 2: those people, and I wanted those things.

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Speaker 3: I remember thinking.

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Speaker 2: Like I never had a oh, I want to be

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Speaker 2: a singer or or I never had that even though

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Speaker 2: I was a musician, I was a singer, I played piano.

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Speaker 2: I never wanted that. I wanted.

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Speaker 3: Crazy.

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Speaker 2: But Oprah, to me, is not famous. She's a celebrity,

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Speaker 2: but she's not famous.

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Speaker 3: It's what she did.

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Speaker 7: Now.

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Speaker 2: Granted people had any politics about Oprah, that's your business.

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Speaker 2: But Oprah opened eyes. She brought people that looked like us,

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Speaker 2: black people, black women, LGBTQ people. She literally said, I'm

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Speaker 2: taking y'all all along for the ride, to expose the

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Speaker 2: world to who you are. Who are black women, who

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Speaker 2: are black men, who are LGBTQ people. She did that,

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Speaker 2: and I always admired that, watching her evolution over the

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Speaker 2: years of not the fame and the billions, but there's

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Speaker 2: things about my life that I know because of you,

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Speaker 2: things that I found acceptable. You know, you brought Yallavinza

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Speaker 2: into our lives, and I was just like, this woman's

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Speaker 2: told me I could just be free and be me.

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Speaker 2: This woman told me the book back. She said, you

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Speaker 2: have to think richly to be rich. The rich don't

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Speaker 2: always have money, but the thing that they have that

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Speaker 2: you don't have is that they think richly, and so

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Speaker 2: like being this thought leader. That's how all ended. Being

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Speaker 2: a thought leader is what I saw in Oprah, and

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Speaker 2: I said, I want to be that.

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Speaker 7: I love that.

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Speaker 2: All right.

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Speaker 8: So I think in our final sentence completion will, it's

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Speaker 8: like the perfect ending to what you were just sharing.

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Speaker 8: What I love most about myself.

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Speaker 2: Is I didn't have words for this before the pandemic

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Speaker 2: and being a single person being I was stuck in

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Speaker 2: my apartment like many other singles.

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Speaker 3: For me, it was a beautiful moment to learn.

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Speaker 2: Me because gratefully I have my job, so I didn't

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Speaker 2: want for anything.

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Speaker 3: I was stuck at home, but I learned to love me.

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Speaker 3: I saw things on.

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Speaker 2: Social media that challenged how I thought about certain things,

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Speaker 2: and one of them was it said I love me.

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Speaker 3: Naked, and I remember thinking what what does that mean?

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Speaker 2: And so I remember waking up one morning in the

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Speaker 2: pandemic and the early like May twenty.

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Speaker 3: Twenty, and I was just like, I ain't gonna put

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Speaker 3: no close. I'm gonna take a shower and loash it up.

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Speaker 3: This is it.

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Speaker 2: But it's something about that that I was like to

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Speaker 2: see myself all day long reflection on the.

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Speaker 3: TV I was like, this is you, this is who you.

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Speaker 2: Are, and I started to fall in love with myself.

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Speaker 2: I started to fall in love with myself. I started

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Speaker 2: to see who Ben was. I started seeing you ain't perfect, brother,

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Speaker 2: but you got some amazing qualities about you. And then

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Speaker 2: when I would watch my friends and family come and

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Speaker 2: eat because I I hoed out in the kitchen and

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Speaker 2: they would and I would watch them. I had a

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Speaker 2: friend who is definitely allergic to shellfish, but he said,

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Speaker 2: I got to try them tripping that stripping grips, and

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Speaker 2: and and and went on and on and on about

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Speaker 2: it for hours and how good it was, and it

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Speaker 2: brought me so much joy. And I started to realize, like, wow,

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Speaker 2: you have all these amazing qualities. So I love who

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Speaker 2: Ben has become, who Been is becoming. And then our sister,

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Speaker 2: Michelle Obama gave us the words because I didn't have

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Speaker 2: the words at first. She gave us the words of becoming.

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Speaker 2: It's the continuous evolution of who we are. But that

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Speaker 2: ties back into the methodology of agile. It's about continuous improvement,

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Speaker 2: and for me using it in personal agility, it's about

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Speaker 2: continuous improvement in your life.

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Speaker 7: I feel like you should just do a mic drop

788
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Speaker 7: right there. But we done yet, We not done. We

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Speaker 7: not done. We got more.

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Speaker 6: That was so beautiful, Ben, And we're gonna transition now

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Speaker 6: because we have some photos pulled up of you on

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Speaker 6: the next screen that we're gonna change just one second.

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Speaker 7: But I know, get ready to get ready.

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Speaker 3: We want you to.

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Speaker 7: Soda. Get ready. So Ben, choose the number out of

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Speaker 7: one in three? Okay too? Two? All right, now get ready, y'all.

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Speaker 6: You gotta go to our website, Herspace podcast dot com,

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00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:55,720
Speaker 6: and you gotta subscribe to Patreon to see the video

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Speaker 6: of us three here on video. But then also this

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Speaker 6: photo because the photo right here is given, Zaddy is given.

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Speaker 6: I'm gonna take your partner like it's given. Oh it's not,

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Speaker 6: y'all can't see it's given.

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Speaker 3: It's given.

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Speaker 7: So Ben telling it was the first.

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Speaker 6: Okay for the people that are not watching, describe the

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Speaker 6: photo and then give us context about the photo that

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Speaker 6: we wouldn't know by looking at it.

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Speaker 3: Okay, this photo was last summer.

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Speaker 2: It was my rooftop barbecuing, probably drinking some rose. I

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Speaker 2: definitely was listening to because last summer I had a

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Speaker 2: playlist that was heavy rotation. It was earth wind, fire,

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Speaker 2: tyres Old, Tyrese not crying, Tyrese Old, Tyrese.

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Speaker 3: It was a vibe. It was a vibe. I was

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Speaker 3: feeling myself. Yeah, I was feeling myself.

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Speaker 7: I'm feeling myself. That's why I said, it's given, Zaddy, It's.

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Speaker 6: Given, and it's giving. Come on, I love it. I

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Speaker 6: love That's a good picture right there. We appreciate you

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Speaker 6: for paying.

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Speaker 3: My dating sight on edge. Go find me as.

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Speaker 7: It should be. Find me.

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Speaker 6: You know my name, Go find me as it should

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Speaker 6: be because it's fly Ben. We appreciate you participating in

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Speaker 6: the ou Blatchest segment, but we have a couple more

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Speaker 6: questions for you about agile and all that good stuff.

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Speaker 6: So I forgot to actually say this.

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Speaker 7: In the beginning.

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Speaker 6: Ben's middle name. So Ben's name is Ben. Get to

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Speaker 6: the bag Atkins. Ben is where the money reside. Okay

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Speaker 6: before our brother who came out with the money reside,

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Speaker 6: So Ben was already did.

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Speaker 7: Let me just tell y'all.

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Speaker 6: So Ben, the question for you is what should we

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Speaker 6: keep in mind when negotiating a salary? And how do

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Speaker 6: you know when to stop asking for more and just

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Speaker 6: accept the offer and be like, all Right'm gonna just

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Speaker 6: just go ahead and move forward with this offer here.

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Speaker 2: Yes, practicing, I've had multiple individuals I've worked with over

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Speaker 2: the past that have come to me about salary negotiations,

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Speaker 2: and the reality is there's always more money on the table,

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Speaker 2: but sometimes it's not always a monetary value, and it

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Speaker 2: depends on the level of value the organization places on

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Speaker 2: that role. So for anyone, I'm going to use this

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Speaker 2: in money because this is how corporate and organizations speak.

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Speaker 2: When you start making eighty k plus, people actually care

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Speaker 2: about what you're doing.

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Speaker 3: They care about what you're doing when you're making under

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Speaker 3: eighty k. It's especially in technology, it's very likely that

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Speaker 3: you're on.

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Speaker 2: The operation side, account management, sales, you are on the

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Speaker 2: revenue team. These are the teams who are doing the

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Speaker 2: what I call grunt work, and so these individuals are

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Speaker 2: acting like machines. Customers email, you do not answer the question,

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Speaker 2: They send that email into the account manager success manager,

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Speaker 2: and you're going to the engineers, hey, what do we

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Speaker 2: need to do? And you're just being the person to

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Speaker 2: render the message back to that customer.

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Speaker 3: And that's seen as a low value job. It's a

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Speaker 3: great job.

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Speaker 2: They pay well, but it's still seen as a low

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Speaker 2: value job because you're not adding value to the company.

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Speaker 3: You're doing your job.

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Speaker 2: So that's the thing that's one thing to keep keep

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Speaker 2: in mind, doing your job versus adding value to the company.

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Speaker 2: People who make eighty K above, i'd say we up

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Speaker 2: to one fifty. These people are still heavy doers. But

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Speaker 2: these people are valuable because you have something of value

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Speaker 2: to the company. Typically, if you're making any K and

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Speaker 2: a tech company or most corporate environments, you're probably a

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Speaker 2: senior lead, or you are a senior status, or you

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Speaker 2: are a manager of some type.

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Speaker 3: And in those roles you hold value.

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Speaker 2: Senior leads you're responsible for people and the success of

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Speaker 2: their work. A manager you're responsible for people and them

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Speaker 2: not suing the organization. And then as a senior associate

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Speaker 2: you're responsible for output at big levels. When CEOs say

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Speaker 2: we need something done, you're responding to that. Senior level

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Speaker 2: people are responding to those requests from the CEO. So

878
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:06,840
Speaker 2: when you're thinking about your salary, you have to ask yourself,

879
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 2: is this a role that gives value to the organization

880
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 2: or is it just a role that has to get done.

881
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:15,759
Speaker 2: The roles that have to get done those roles. You

882
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,040
Speaker 2: don't have a lot of leverage. You don't have a

883
00:50:18,040 --> 00:50:20,879
Speaker 2: lot of leverage. You can ask for more. You can

884
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 2: leverage if you have another job offer and say, hey,

885
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 2: I really want to work with this company, but I'm

886
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:29,040
Speaker 2: being offered this that is somewhere else, and currently this

887
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,480
Speaker 2: is more important to me. And that's the question where

888
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:34,080
Speaker 2: we go back to tier number one. What's important to you,

889
00:50:34,560 --> 00:50:37,520
Speaker 2: because sometimes it's not the money. Sometimes that ten twenty

890
00:50:37,520 --> 00:50:40,360
Speaker 2: thousand will make a difference for some people. For somebody,

891
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:42,319
Speaker 2: it's just the culture of a business that they want,

892
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 2: so that's important. But if it's money, then you're looking

893
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 2: at something different. So you don't have a lot of leverage.

894
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:48,759
Speaker 2: But for the people who are eighty to about one

895
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty k, you have leverage. You have leverage

896
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 2: at that point. And now, because you're bringing a value

897
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:58,280
Speaker 2: that they want and need, you're able to negotiate higher

898
00:50:58,320 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 2: salaries at thirty.

899
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:02,760
Speaker 3: Percent and sometimes up to fifty percent more simply because

900
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 3: you have leverage.

901
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:06,279
Speaker 2: And if you do what you do well and you

902
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 2: can interpret that throughout the interview process, they won't say

903
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:14,799
Speaker 2: no to you. I interviewed for a company, I laugh

904
00:51:14,920 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 2: because it's crazy, but it's real. The company basically needed

905
00:51:19,640 --> 00:51:22,680
Speaker 2: me to do let's say ten items, and the.

906
00:51:22,840 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 3: Tenth item I could not do.

907
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 2: That was not a part of my background, and so

908
00:51:28,640 --> 00:51:32,839
Speaker 2: I disclosed that in my interviewing with with this team,

909
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,400
Speaker 2: and they liked me so much and they were like,

910
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 2: we'll figure it out. But the reason why they did

911
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:42,839
Speaker 2: that is because and when I say that one thing,

912
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 2: it wasn't like a which I can't disclose, but it

913
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 2: wasn't like a oh, it's okay if we don't have it. No,

914
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:53,080
Speaker 2: it was extremely necessary. If I were that director, I

915
00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:56,399
Speaker 2: would have put this at a level ninety percent. We

916
00:51:56,480 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 2: need this particular skill and technical skill, and I didn't

917
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,120
Speaker 2: have that. And so they liked what I would bring

918
00:52:05,120 --> 00:52:07,479
Speaker 2: as a coach as a thought leader, but they really

919
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:08,440
Speaker 2: needed this other piece.

920
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,440
Speaker 3: And so but because I had leverage, because I'd worked.

921
00:52:12,160 --> 00:52:15,560
Speaker 2: At certain big name companies and I've done certain projects

922
00:52:15,600 --> 00:52:19,360
Speaker 2: that because I did the tedious work of documenting my

923
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:21,839
Speaker 2: personal work and leave it in my own personal drive,

924
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,839
Speaker 2: I was able to show I've done this work and

925
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:25,600
Speaker 2: I can do this.

926
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 3: And also a piece of that is who I am

927
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 3: as a person, you know, And.

928
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:31,720
Speaker 2: So all those things came together and gave me leverage

929
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 2: to not only get thirty thousand dollars more than what

930
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 2: they offered, but get a job that I really wasn't

931
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:42,720
Speaker 2: qualified for. And so that's leverage. When you have leverage,

932
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 2: you can get those things and ask for more. The

933
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 2: one thing that I would say that I would go

934
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 2: back and do differently is I would have negotiated that

935
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 2: particular skill because I left after thirty days because I

936
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 2: realized I wasn't the right fit. I wasn't enjoying it

937
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 2: because I step out of purpose. Because it was a

938
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,000
Speaker 2: great offer. It's an amazing offer, I was like, but

939
00:53:05,400 --> 00:53:08,280
Speaker 2: because but that wasn't important to me. What was important

940
00:53:08,640 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 2: is that I make impact. And so after thirty days,

941
00:53:12,200 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 2: I had to leave that company. And so to answer

942
00:53:14,880 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 2: your first question, and so we're leading right into that

943
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:20,759
Speaker 2: when you you know, when we talk about severance, severance

944
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 2: is a sticky subject because there's three tiers for severance.

945
00:53:25,120 --> 00:53:29,720
Speaker 2: There's I got fired severance, there's we're laying people off severance,

946
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:33,840
Speaker 2: and there's I want to leave this company separation agreement severance.

947
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 2: And it still has the exact same levers that we're pulling.

948
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 2: Leverage I worked at a company for thirty days and

949
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:47,839
Speaker 2: I walked away with four months leverage because I understood

950
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:51,480
Speaker 2: employment law but also have a background of human resources.

951
00:53:51,520 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 2: So the expectations not that you go and learn employment law,

952
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:57,920
Speaker 2: but a little bit of reading, a little bit of googling,

953
00:53:58,600 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 2: much time you spend on TikTok insta go, get on

954
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:04,399
Speaker 2: Google and figure out what in your state you could

955
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:09,279
Speaker 2: ask for. And essentially I was able to make a

956
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 2: case to say this role was given to me fraudulently.

957
00:54:15,000 --> 00:54:17,920
Speaker 3: You really needed this skill, and then.

958
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,680
Speaker 2: You pushed me when I got in the role after

959
00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:23,920
Speaker 2: you agreed to hire me to not have the skill.

960
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,759
Speaker 2: Now you're telling me you really need this skill, and

961
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 2: I'm already here, and so you're putting me in a

962
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 2: difficult situation. So I took it upon myself to exit.

963
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 2: But because of the leverage, I'm basically saying if you

964
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 2: had told me no, how to stated my last job,

965
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 2: so I had leverage because of the employment law that

966
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 2: says that that was a fraudulent situation. They should not

967
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 2: have entered into the agreement with me simply because what

968
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:51,840
Speaker 2: they really needed.

969
00:54:51,960 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 3: But that's where a job can be applied.

970
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 2: In corporate spaces to understand what's important to you. Is

971
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:00,759
Speaker 2: it more important that he's a thought or is it

972
00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:05,080
Speaker 2: more important that he's technical. And if they had that interaction,

973
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 2: that conversation, they would have absolutely said, Hey, we like you,

974
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:09,359
Speaker 2: well let me find another role.

975
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 3: But this role we need X y Z, so.

976
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:16,120
Speaker 6: Real quick, a quick recap. So we got this is powerful.

977
00:55:16,160 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 6: Then we got one more question. Then we're gonna let

978
00:55:18,560 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 6: you go. But so you answered, what should we keep

979
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 6: in mind when negotiating a salary? How do we go

980
00:55:23,440 --> 00:55:26,160
Speaker 6: about negotiating a severence package? And then the last question

981
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:31,520
Speaker 6: here is within that little those questions are I'm confusing myself, be.

982
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 7: And behold on.

983
00:55:32,120 --> 00:55:35,040
Speaker 6: How do you know when to stop asking for more money?

984
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 6: Because I feel like I've been in situations when you're like,

985
00:55:38,040 --> 00:55:40,360
Speaker 6: it's you kind of it's it's it can be tense

986
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 6: when you're in the negotiation phase, right and they come

987
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:45,839
Speaker 6: back they're like, oh, this is the best we can do.

988
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 6: That's always the best they can do. How do you

989
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:50,399
Speaker 6: know when you should be like, mm, I should probably stop.

990
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:52,480
Speaker 6: I'm assuming you're going to go back to what's important

991
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 6: to you, but anything else we should know about when

992
00:55:54,280 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 6: to just take the offer that's on the table if

993
00:55:56,520 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 6: it feels it feels good for us.

994
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you take the time to do market research,

995
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:05,919
Speaker 2: most people don't, I would say blanketly. I'd say ninety

996
00:56:05,960 --> 00:56:09,560
Speaker 2: percent of job seekers are not doing market or people

997
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 2: on the job market, they're not doing market research. But

998
00:56:12,080 --> 00:56:13,360
Speaker 2: if you take the time to do a little bit

999
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 2: of market research, understand what other roles like yours at

1000
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 2: similar companies, not at same industry companies, similar companies. So

1001
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,680
Speaker 2: if it's Uber Lift, if it's door Dash, uber Eats,

1002
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 2: or you know, similar companies, what are they paying for

1003
00:56:31,080 --> 00:56:36,040
Speaker 2: those roles? Understand that. And that's system googling, that's LinkedIn,

1004
00:56:36,239 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 2: that's Glasstoor and you can quickly within thirty minutes figure

1005
00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 2: that out. And so when you realize I'm asking for

1006
00:56:43,200 --> 00:56:47,320
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand, and another competitor's giving it at eighty

1007
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 2: and the other one's given it at one ten, you

1008
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 2: have to do some simple mad what is the median

1009
00:56:52,960 --> 00:56:53,480
Speaker 2: around this?

1010
00:56:54,040 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 3: Now that you understand that, then you have to go

1011
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 3: back to tier one.

1012
00:56:58,000 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 2: This is why tier one can last for a month

1013
00:57:00,680 --> 00:57:03,440
Speaker 2: or so, because we keep going back to what's important,

1014
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,399
Speaker 2: what is important to you? If money is important to you,

1015
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:09,719
Speaker 2: And you said, when I leave this company, I'm gonna

1016
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:12,680
Speaker 2: make twenty thousand dollars more. If that's important to you,

1017
00:57:13,239 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 2: you have to stick to that. But for job seekers,

1018
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 2: when it comes to when do I need to shut

1019
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:21,600
Speaker 2: up and accept an offer, you need to understand your

1020
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 2: value and what value you have on an organization.

1021
00:57:24,960 --> 00:57:27,560
Speaker 3: Are you bringing skill? No one cares about your degree.

1022
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, y'all, I.

1023
00:57:28,680 --> 00:57:30,680
Speaker 2: Would say they told us we would not have gone

1024
00:57:30,720 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 2: to scold for certain things. I know I wouldn't, But

1025
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 2: what is the value? No one cares about my Spanish degree.

1026
00:57:38,560 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 3: They could care less. I don't need use Spanish for

1027
00:57:40,560 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 3: work anymore. They could care less. So what do they

1028
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 3: care about? Do they care about my certification?

1029
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:48,400
Speaker 2: Well, a lot of people can go get a scrum certification,

1030
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 2: an agile certification.

1031
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:54,040
Speaker 3: They don't care about that. They care about what I

1032
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:54,880
Speaker 3: can deliver on.

1033
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,439
Speaker 2: And as I said before and TikTok's and my own show,

1034
00:58:00,360 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 2: it takes years to develop these skills. You get these certifications,

1035
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 2: it takes years five minimum to actually become a practitioner

1036
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,120
Speaker 2: where someone says, what do you want? And that's where

1037
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 2: you find success. When companies ask you what you want

1038
00:58:13,560 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 2: not in the so what are you looking for? A way, now,

1039
00:58:16,040 --> 00:58:18,320
Speaker 2: after you've gone through interviews, they're like, so what do

1040
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:19,400
Speaker 2: you want for us to get you?

1041
00:58:19,920 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 3: There's a difference.

1042
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:24,520
Speaker 2: So I would say, once you understand that you are

1043
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:27,720
Speaker 2: in the market for the rate that they're offering you,

1044
00:58:28,440 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 2: I would say, ask one time for extra ten thousand.

1045
00:58:35,400 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 2: Maybe you're land right in the middle, but only if

1046
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 2: you are sure that you've done enough research to know

1047
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 2: if the market says one hundred thousand, who am asked

1048
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 2: for one hundred and ten? But if the market is

1049
00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:50,600
Speaker 2: constantly telling you eighty and you're asking for one hundred,

1050
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,520
Speaker 2: you better have something of leverage to offer those people

1051
00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:56,479
Speaker 2: because if you don't, they going to write you out

1052
00:58:56,600 --> 00:58:58,919
Speaker 2: that company within six months to a year.

1053
00:59:00,800 --> 00:59:07,200
Speaker 8: Oh all right, So we've talked a lot about what

1054
00:59:07,360 --> 00:59:12,320
Speaker 8: this looks like in corporate America. Right, we have a

1055
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 8: lot of listeners who aren't necessarily in don't necessarily have

1056
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:20,400
Speaker 8: jobs in corporate right, So like I have a job

1057
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 8: in academia, there are a lot of folks who may

1058
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 8: be in service industry, and so how does that translate

1059
00:59:32,440 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 8: if they're in a field that is an industry that's

1060
00:59:36,400 --> 00:59:37,560
Speaker 8: different from corporate.

1061
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:38,800
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

1062
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:42,560
Speaker 2: I love that you asked this question because I found

1063
00:59:42,560 --> 00:59:43,880
Speaker 2: that I was like a lot of people who are

1064
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,280
Speaker 2: hitting me up on TikTok off their videos I've made

1065
00:59:46,360 --> 00:59:48,919
Speaker 2: to just like do you only work in corporate space?

1066
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:54,000
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, personal agility is personal to you. So

1067
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 2: I recently met someone at a restaurant. He was a

1068
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 2: waiter and he overheard a commerce issue with me talking

1069
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 2: to a colleague and he says, I don't mean the

1070
01:00:04,360 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 2: buddy in, but what did you just say? And it

1071
01:00:08,000 --> 01:00:11,919
Speaker 2: was about personal Jillian reaching goals. And he said, how

1072
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:15,120
Speaker 2: could you help me? Because I'm going through X y

1073
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,960
Speaker 2: Z with my agent and I need to figure some

1074
01:00:19,000 --> 01:00:21,680
Speaker 2: things out with contracts. And the first thing I said

1075
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 2: to him, as some free advice, was what's important to you?

1076
01:00:26,480 --> 01:00:28,440
Speaker 2: You shouldn't be going back and forth with people that

1077
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:32,080
Speaker 2: you're paying, so what's important to you? Because if you

1078
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:35,560
Speaker 2: understand that, then they understand that. I'm going to say

1079
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:38,760
Speaker 2: that again, what's important to you? The people around you

1080
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:43,480
Speaker 2: then understand that your friends, your man, your woman, your mama,

1081
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:46,280
Speaker 2: your daddy. When they understand what's important to you, then

1082
01:00:46,320 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 2: they fall in line. So for people who are in

1083
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:53,120
Speaker 2: just other industries outside of corporate or just your personal life.

1084
01:00:53,320 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 2: We have to ask ourselves, what do I want to

1085
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:57,360
Speaker 2: do today? I want to go to the grocery store.

1086
01:00:57,840 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 2: I want to go to especially for people. Let's say

1087
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 2: I'm going to create a scenario. I am frustrated with

1088
01:01:04,880 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 2: my career, my life, whatever, and I'm finding myself in

1089
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 2: depressing moments. I'm sleeping a lot. How can I use

1090
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 2: personal agility to support my day to day experience?

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Speaker 3: All right?

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Speaker 2: Personal agility says, what's important to you? So it's Tuesday tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: What's important to me? Well, I know I need to

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Speaker 2: go pick up my dry cleaning. I definitely want to

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Speaker 2: read another chapter in this book that I'm reading. And

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Speaker 2: I want to go for a walk because it'supposed to

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Speaker 2: be nice in Chicago tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: All right.

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Speaker 2: Out of those three things, what's most important picking up

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Speaker 2: my drag cleaning because you're gonna charge me after tomorrow

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Speaker 2: if it's not there. So that's number one time box

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Speaker 2: that I can do that within an hour? Ooh done.

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Speaker 2: I want to go for a bike ride. Oh if

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Speaker 2: that's two hours, I can get that done tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: All right? Cool?

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Speaker 2: I want to read this chapter, right, I know I

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Speaker 2: need to do this, and I know I'm already feeling

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Speaker 2: this way and I might not want to do it.

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Speaker 2: So when I understand and truly what is important to me,

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Speaker 2: I can then start to action on those items. But

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Speaker 2: I have to ask myself what's important to me. That

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Speaker 2: scenario was a very simple scenario of just going through

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Speaker 2: your day. But someone who's like I need this bike ride.

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Speaker 2: You need to prioritize that bike ride. And if you

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Speaker 2: don't have a moment with yourself to say what is

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Speaker 2: important to me today, you won't get to that bike ride,

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Speaker 2: and then you'll find yourself frustrated because that bike ride

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Speaker 2: did what And working with a coach, or working with

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Speaker 2: your therapist or just communicating with someone, you realize that well,

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Speaker 2: that bike ride was distressing me, that bike ride was

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Speaker 2: giving me fulfillment. That bike ride got me into the community,

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Speaker 2: got air, and I'm feeling revived. But if you don't

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Speaker 2: understand the purpose and the why, you might not get

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Speaker 2: to what's really important for that day.

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Speaker 6: Ben, this has been amazing, so insightful, so much wisdom.

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Speaker 7: I already know.

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Speaker 6: As as the listeners are tuning in, they're just like,

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Speaker 6: where can we find Where can we find this man. Okay,

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Speaker 6: So let folks know where they can find you on

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Speaker 6: social where they can sign up for a coaching.

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Speaker 7: Session, all the good stuff.

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Speaker 6: Let them know where to find you, and we will

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Speaker 6: also be adding that into the show notes.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, thank you. Please come and find me on TikTok

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Speaker 2: b E n A d K eighty nine. You'll see

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Speaker 2: it. It says the Certified Agile Coach. And then my website

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Speaker 2: go to www dot Benjamin J. Atkins dot com. B

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Speaker 2: E n j A m I n j A d

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Speaker 2: K I n s dot com.

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Speaker 7: Amazing.

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Speaker 6: Make sure you go support Okay, go support Ben, follow

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Speaker 6: them on TikTok, sign up for sessions.

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Speaker 7: You already get the vibe.

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Speaker 3: Ben.

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Speaker 6: We thank you so much. Thank you for your wisdom,

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Speaker 6: your time, your stories, everything that you've given us today.

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Speaker 6: We appreciate you and hope this is not our last

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Speaker 6: time chatting.

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Speaker 2: No, thank you, thank you, Jam.

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Speaker 3: It has been a pleasure.

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Speaker 2: I am one of those people who believe we met

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Speaker 2: and it could have just been goodbye and we were

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Speaker 2: just like, no, she don't I'm keeping you.

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Speaker 3: Keep it. So thank you, thank you so much.

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Speaker 7: You're so welcome.

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Speaker 10: Hey, lady, it's doctor Dom here from the Cultivating her

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Speaker 10: Space podcast. Are you currently a resident of the state

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Speaker 10: of California and contemplating starting your therapy journey well, If so,

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Speaker 10: please reach out to me at doctor Dominique Brusard dot com.

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Speaker 10: That's d R D O M I N I q

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Speaker 10: D dot com to schedule a free fifteen minute consultation.

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Speaker 10: I look forward to hearing from you. Thanks for joining

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Speaker 10: us today. Please note that our show may contain conversations

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Speaker 10: about self help, advice, self empowerment, and mental health, but

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Speaker 10: is by no means meant to be a substitute for

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Speaker 10: an ongoing formal relationship with a trained mental health provider.

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Speaker 10: If you are someone you know is in need of

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Speaker 10: mental health care, please visit a Therapy for Black Girls

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Speaker 10: directory Psychology today or contact your insurance provider.

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Speaker 6: If you liked what you heard and want to keep

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Speaker 6: the conversation going, visit our website at herspacepodcast dot com

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Speaker 6: and before we meet again, repeat after me, I am

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Speaker 6: worthy of what I desire period