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Speaker 1: Good morning, peepsend. Welcome to WIKP Daily with me your girl,

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Speaker 1: Danny Almody recording from a nondisclosed location because I'm actually

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Speaker 1: not in the home bunker. Dear friend, I am excited

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Speaker 1: for today's conversation that I'm bringing to you today, which

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Speaker 1: is with Will Ragland, who is the vice president for

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Speaker 1: research at the Center for American Progress Action. And we

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Speaker 1: get into a conversation today about Project twenty twenty five,

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Speaker 1: the plans that are in store for America if in

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Speaker 1: folks five days, Donald Trump is re elected President of

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Speaker 1: the United States, and Will and I kind of go

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Speaker 1: through the ways that Project twenty twenty five will up

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Speaker 1: end democracy, will up end our social safety nefts, will

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Speaker 1: up end American life as we know it. And you

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Speaker 1: think you know to yourself, well, it's five days until

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Speaker 1: the election. Fifty million people have already voted. A lot

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Speaker 1: still time for this conversation, still time to alert those

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Speaker 1: in your life to how important and consequential this election

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Speaker 1: and this moment is. We need everyone engaged, we need

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Speaker 1: everyone educated. And this conversation with Will provides us with

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Speaker 1: a little more in depth plans of what the future

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Speaker 1: of America will look like. And I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 1: If you've listened to Elon musk recent comments about America

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Speaker 1: needing to face hardship in the short term in order

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Speaker 1: coming from an effing billionaire who's not going to give

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Speaker 1: Trump regime and get rid of social safety nets, get

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Speaker 1: rid of entitlement programs, get rid of all of the

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Speaker 1: be able to thrive in this society. Yeah, the future

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Speaker 1: under Donald Trump and Elon Musk looks dark. The future

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Speaker 1: under twenty twenty five looks star five days, friends, and

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Speaker 1: we're either moving forward or we're going back to the

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Speaker 1: nineteenth century. Take a listen to this interview with Will Ragland,

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Speaker 1: vice president of Research at the Centate for American Progress. Folks,

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Speaker 1: I am very happy to welcome to WOKF Daily, the

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Speaker 1: vice president for Research at the Cene for American Progress action,

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Speaker 1: Will Ragland, to talk to us today about Project twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty five, Donald Trump and how he wants to go

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Speaker 1: even further than what has been out lined in this

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Speaker 1: over nine hundred page manifest So will welcome talk to

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Speaker 1: us about what it means to go further. Being as

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Speaker 1: how I thought this was the cliff.

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Speaker 2: Well, yeah, no, I think broad the twenty twenty five's

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Speaker 2: outline and move toward an authoritarian state is what people

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Speaker 2: core is a roadmap, a manual to eliminate any hurdles,

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Speaker 2: first priority. That's exactly what they try to lay out.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump laid that out in the first administration and

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Speaker 2: And a lot of those folks were career officials, career

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Speaker 2: The number one priority that he has made clear in

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Speaker 1: So talk to me about this, because these are things

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Speaker 1: that we've been talking about on WOLLKF for well over

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Speaker 1: and talking about the construction of a dictatorship that can

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Speaker 2: That's a great question. So, I mean, at its core, democracy,

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Speaker 2: He tried to destroy any sort of trust in institutions

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Speaker 2: We have a doj that would be the president's personal attack.

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Speaker 2: Do that's creating lists of people to monitor and watch?

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Speaker 1: So let me ask you this, because these are things

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Speaker 2: I think there are a number of factors. It depends

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Speaker 2: But you know, I do think that as you know,

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Speaker 2: part of Project twenty twenty five. You've got your nine

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Speaker 1: So you know, the funny thing is, well, I don't

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Speaker 1: to do with xenophobia, It has everything to do with hate.

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Speaker 3: And I really love Vice President Harris's proposal for the

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Speaker 2: You brought it up earlier. It really takes a lot

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Speaker 1: Well, we'll leave it there today. Thank you so much

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely so. My co author is Kelly McCoy and

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Speaker 2: the report that is being released is called five Ways

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump's plans are even more extreme than Project twenty

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Speaker 1: Amazing. All right, thank you so much, and we will

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Speaker 1: That is it for me today. Dear friends, on wo

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Speaker 1: gay up as always, Power to the people and to

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Speaker 1: all the people. Power, get woke and stay woke. As

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