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Speaker 1: Hi guys, and welcome to You Need Therapy Podcast. My

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Speaker 1: name is Kat and I am your host, and thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for showing up with us. I always

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Speaker 1: think that it's like a Monday that you're listening to this,

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Speaker 1: but then I realized that people listen to this randomly

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Speaker 1: throughout the week, So whatever day it is, happy that day.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited about this episode because I have a guess

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Speaker 1: that I've been trying to get on the show for

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Speaker 1: a while. You think it would be easier because she

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Speaker 1: literally works at my practice, but we've had quite a

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Speaker 1: time doing that, so we finally have her. Her name

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Speaker 1: is Stacy. She is a therapist who works at Three

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Speaker 1: Courts Therapy, which is my practice, and she's amazing. Today specifically,

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Speaker 1: we talked about her experience going to therapy and becoming

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Speaker 1: in our society, and I think it's a really cool

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Speaker 1: have I think i'd call anxiety doing these kinds of

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Speaker 1: episodes because I know I'm going to say something wrong

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Speaker 1: because my goal is never to hurt or do anything

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Speaker 1: or say anything harmful. But I also know that the

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Speaker 1: only way for me to learn things, and the only

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Speaker 1: way for me to grow as a human is to

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Speaker 1: ask and say the things that come to my mind

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Speaker 1: sometimes so then I can learn what is harmful and

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Speaker 1: what isn't harmful. And so you might hear me stumble

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Speaker 1: over my words in this episode, and that's probably why.

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Speaker 1: But Stacy was a great job of talking to us

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Speaker 1: about her experience and then not generalizing, but talking about

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Speaker 1: family system and community growing up when it comes to

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Speaker 1: mental health. And it's a really good conversation. I think

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Speaker 1: this is not just a conversation that we are putting

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Speaker 1: white to listen to it. It's specifically also for white

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Speaker 1: people to hear so we can learn. And I say

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Speaker 1: this was like remorse and shame. But when I first

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Speaker 1: was being trained as a therapist, I didn't take this

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Speaker 1: stuff as seriously as it is. And I've learned not

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Speaker 1: just through therapy, because this isn't just something that affects

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Speaker 1: my work. This affects all my relationships and how I

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Speaker 1: go about the world and then the greater good of

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Speaker 1: the world. So this is something that I think is

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Speaker 1: important to talk about and continue to talk about. If

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Speaker 1: you have any questions or comments or stories that you

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Speaker 1: want to share with us about your experience in this topic,

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Speaker 1: send them to us. We talked about this at the

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Speaker 1: end of the show, but we would love to do

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Speaker 1: a couch talks with Stacy answering some questions from y'all,

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Speaker 1: so email them to Catherine at You Need Therapy podcast

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Speaker 1: dot com. You can follow me at at cat dot

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Speaker 1: de fata, and you can follow the podcast at at

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Speaker 1: You Need Therapy Podcast on Instagram. We would love for

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Speaker 1: you to do that. And before I keep rambling about

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Speaker 1: this conversation and all of my shame and insecurities, I'm

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Speaker 1: just gonna let the conversation do the work. So here

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Speaker 1: is my talk with Stacy. I have a very special

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Speaker 1: about this for a while. Well, first of all, Hi, Hi, welcome,

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Speaker 1: and we are going to have her on to talk

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Speaker 1: about multiple things, one just the process of becoming a therapist,

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Speaker 1: what it was like for her becoming a therapist as

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Speaker 1: a black woman in our culture. So one, how are

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Speaker 1: you doing? I'm nervous, It's okay. Um, might have been

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Speaker 1: the best places. You're starry. Okay. So I met Stacy

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Speaker 1: many moons ago. This was probably like six or seven

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Speaker 1: I met Stacy when she was well, she still as

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Speaker 1: to you through like social media and the fitness world.

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Speaker 1: pretty much was just like, Okay, therapy seems to be

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Speaker 1: exactly what I'm doing in physical fitness, but on the

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Speaker 1: finally applied and here you are here, I am okay,

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Speaker 1: so let's talk about because you had a different experience

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Speaker 1: as you're entering and you're becoming like, Okay, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: Maybe first off, just being black. A lot of people

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Speaker 1: out and be like a much better person. Second thing

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Speaker 1: that's brave. Anyway back on track, I had a different

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Speaker 1: like what type of help do they think that they

434
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,600
Speaker 1: could give from you? Yeah, which I know that you,

435
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 1: as an awesome, amazing therapist could help any human being.

436
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 1: I'm just saying just as a generalization, like why, yeah,

437
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,200
Speaker 1: when I get out of that, what is the solution

438
00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:19,439
Speaker 1: to that for you? I don't know that I have

439
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 1: the answer to that, but I want to be a

440
00:25:23,080 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 1: part of the solution, I guess, just starting with representation

441
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 1: and having conversations like this and making making therapy cool

442
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,919
Speaker 1: on my Instagram, not making it kind of exposing that

443
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,199
Speaker 1: it is cool. I think my biggest thing is going

444
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 1: to be representation, Like just like we put effort and

445
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:48,920
Speaker 1: money and investment into all of the outer parts. And

446
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:51,240
Speaker 1: I'm going to speak as a black woman, just like

447
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,920
Speaker 1: how much I invest in getting my hair doing or

448
00:25:55,480 --> 00:26:00,159
Speaker 1: clothes or Obviously I am a fitness professional, so I

449
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 1: really highly value just like what kind of food I eat,

450
00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,560
Speaker 1: moving your body, moving my body. So I'm thinking about

451
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 1: other people, like where they have to put money to

452
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,120
Speaker 1: like keep those things up and keep that consistent. I

453
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,120
Speaker 1: want to highlight that the inner workings are equally important

454
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,160
Speaker 1: and that this all works together. I'm even thinking as

455
00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,760
Speaker 1: a fitness professional, and I think we talked about this

456
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 1: to like how even yoga in the past was seeing

457
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,360
Speaker 1: as like something for white people. And think about how

458
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 1: beneficial that mind body connection or that quiet space or

459
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:39,600
Speaker 1: just that individual time where you come to your mats,

460
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: set your intention, move your body, get quiet, and how

461
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: long black people did not participate in something like that

462
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:51,159
Speaker 1: that was kind of marketed or seeing as something for

463
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: white people. So I kind of feel like that about therapy,

464
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 1: and just I want to highlight how important it is

465
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:02,600
Speaker 1: if you need help, that you can get it without

466
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:07,080
Speaker 1: all of that extra around it. Most importantly, therapists are

467
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:11,960
Speaker 1: real people. So I think I forgot this important part,

468
00:27:12,280 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 1: the most important part that we bring that aspect to

469
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 1: walking with people who want to make changes, who want

470
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: some help and assistance, Like you get a real person

471
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:27,479
Speaker 1: with experiences. Yeah, well, and you know, I would like

472
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: to even talk about this for a second, because yes,

473
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,440
Speaker 1: we are real people, and because of that, your therapist

474
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:36,840
Speaker 1: is going to mess up. So I'm speaking specifically if

475
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,920
Speaker 1: you're a black person with a white therapist. So I'm

476
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 1: really talking about like really me, but I'm going to

477
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: mess up. So and even in this conversation, I probably

478
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: might have said something the wrong way or that could

479
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 1: offend somebody or whatever. We're just we're going to do that.

480
00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:55,680
Speaker 1: But the beauty of therapy is you have this curated

481
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 1: experience slash experiment where you get to be with some

482
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,880
Speaker 1: buddy and they get to mess up and you get

483
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,760
Speaker 1: to like heal and repair those relationships and you get

484
00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,760
Speaker 1: to I I mean, even speaking from experience, I've obviously

485
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,040
Speaker 1: I've had clients that aren't the same color skin as me,

486
00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 1: and we've had to work through that in some areas,

487
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 1: and they've had to teach me things and sometimes I'm like,

488
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:21,240
Speaker 1: I don't understand what you're talking about, and so we

489
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:23,159
Speaker 1: have to talk about that, and then I have to

490
00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:25,440
Speaker 1: go like do my own work of Okay, it looks

491
00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:27,639
Speaker 1: like that I'm saying too much in my bubble. The

492
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,440
Speaker 1: cool thing about that is this gets to be an

493
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 1: experiment where you get to have relationships that are messy.

494
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: And that's perfect because I'm a human and I think

495
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: that's cool. I'm having enough had the same experience all

496
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 1: throughout school and internship again because a large population of

497
00:28:45,680 --> 00:28:49,000
Speaker 1: the people coming to therapy are not black, So I'm

498
00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: having the exact same experience as you of getting to

499
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:57,040
Speaker 1: be curious and learn, like how I can bess help

500
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 1: you or be with you or be a presence that

501
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: is helpful when a good therapist will admit their shortcomings. Right. So,

502
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 1: and one of the things that I say in the

503
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: beginning of every session part of this is I want

504
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:11,680
Speaker 1: you guys to hear that, like, I am not a

505
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 1: perfect therapist. There's no such thing. But one of the

506
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,719
Speaker 1: first things I say to clients in our first session

507
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,040
Speaker 1: is just so you know I'm going to mess up.

508
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,440
Speaker 1: And if I say something that offends you, and this

509
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,800
Speaker 1: is to any client I say something that offends you

510
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,480
Speaker 1: or you don't agree with it, or if I make

511
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: a face and the face like sometimes I might roll

512
00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:36,040
Speaker 1: my eyes and I and you might take it one way,

513
00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 1: but I meant it another way. And so I always say,

514
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: I need you to let me know when I do

515
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: something that feels harmful to you. I gotta start doing

516
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: that because my eyebrows. They talk at their own thing.

517
00:29:49,960 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: But like, I think that's cool because when people do

518
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: end up doing that, it's usually somebody says something that

519
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:59,840
Speaker 1: offends you or living cancel culture. So my therapist didn't

520
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,280
Speaker 1: understand this, she sucks, she's this, she's that, And this

521
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what color you are, but it can be

522
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 1: applied to this conversation. But we need to work more

523
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: on like learning how to understand and learn from each

524
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: other more rather than just write people off when they

525
00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 1: do one thing that you don't like, and that that

526
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 1: definitely goes with the whole trust building that I'm talking about,

527
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: and I really want all cultures to hear that, Like,

528
00:30:25,880 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: therapy is a very special relationship and it is sacred

529
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: and it is you bringing yourself, your vulnerable self to

530
00:30:33,760 --> 00:30:39,160
Speaker 1: a space with another person. And I think trust is key.

531
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: And that's just not something that I have experienced that

532
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 1: my culture has had or been welcomed because of what

533
00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: you're saying of cancel culture now or just the trying

534
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: to understand each other versus like they don't get it.

535
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 1: They won't get it. Yeah, it's unique in the way

536
00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:02,560
Speaker 1: that like we are too strangers coming together to help

537
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:06,040
Speaker 1: you figure out your ship. And because I'm not the

538
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: expert in your life, you're gonna have You're gonna have

539
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:09,959
Speaker 1: to teach me things. I learned stuff from my clients

540
00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: all of the time. I think I literally say that

541
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 1: in almost every decision, because I just said it last

542
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,880
Speaker 1: night to my clients, like, teach me, because you're telling

543
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 1: me about something. I definitely learned something from my clients

544
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 1: every decision, and that helps me to, like I get

545
00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:28,200
Speaker 1: to show up better. Are there any other reasons other

546
00:31:28,240 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 1: than they're not being a representation and some of the

547
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: trust issues. That makes sense, m Is there any other

548
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: reasons that somebody who is black might not show up

549
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:41,560
Speaker 1: to therapy? Minimizing trauma in my experience and whether this

550
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 1: has come from the experience of being black or from

551
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:50,680
Speaker 1: the dominant culture, but black people minimize trauma, and again

552
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 1: it's kind of like, uh, suck it up, it's not

553
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: that bad. And I'm thinking too in this moment, thinking

554
00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: about me telling you, like, oh, don't go tell our business.

555
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: If you're not talking about it, it does just go away.

556
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 1: I mean, we know it actually doesn't go away, but

557
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,920
Speaker 1: it's not addressed and therefore is on the surface minimized.

558
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: So I think to just not being in the habit

559
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:22,560
Speaker 1: or normalizing that I need to process these very serious

560
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: and or emotionally harmful things that have happened, or these

561
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: things are literally living with me but have been pushed

562
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 1: down for years and again generations throughout the family. So

563
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: I think it's a lot of like minimization, and I

564
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 1: just want to bring awareness to that that, Like, I mean,

565
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 1: you have the right too and call it a trauma,

566
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 1: that's what it is for you, and process it or

567
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: get the help they need. As I said before, well

568
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: and what would you offer, especially a client who it's

569
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 1: like I want to go to therapy? And and this

570
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: makes me think, I think I brought this up to you.

571
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: I probably talked about this way too much in general,

572
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 1: my life a million little things. The show, huh, because

573
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:12,440
Speaker 1: that show literally covers everything and I love it. But

574
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: there is a black couple in the first episode. He

575
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: attempts suicide and then he ends up. I'm struggling to

576
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: say this stuff because I don't want to give away,

577
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: but he hiding it from his baby. The point is,

578
00:33:26,560 --> 00:33:29,800
Speaker 1: the point is nobody knows he's hiding it from his family,

579
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: and there is a huge The way his family responds

580
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: when they find out that he is one going to therapy,

581
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:43,160
Speaker 1: but to taking medication for depression is really hard to watch.

582
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 1: But even before that, his why is because he knows

583
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: that they are going to respond in a way that's

584
00:33:49,600 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: not supportive or that will feel invalidating. So, I mean,

585
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: even the fact that he needs to try to hide it,

586
00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: that is very representative of like what the black experience

587
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: is like, which makes things worse. It makes things worse.

588
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 1: I think that that's the point you're trying to make.

589
00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 1: And so what would you offer to somebody who's like,

590
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: I know that this is actually something that affects me,

591
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: but I'm so afraid for what my family, or my friends,

592
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: or my just community in general will think of me

593
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:22,200
Speaker 1: if they know that I one going to therapy or

594
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: two if I'm even taking medication for a mental health disorder.

595
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,080
Speaker 1: It's a lot there. But first of all, I mean,

596
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,640
Speaker 1: you have to prioritize your health, and I think that

597
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,320
Speaker 1: is a part of the awareness that I want to

598
00:34:34,360 --> 00:34:38,279
Speaker 1: bring this is health. So just as you would go

599
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: to the doctor for a checkup or if in that

600
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:46,080
Speaker 1: visit there were some diagnosis that you need to follow

601
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 1: up on. I mean I see that as similar to this,

602
00:34:50,560 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: and that this is your health and that is a

603
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: personal thing. I don't think that you have to be

604
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: loud and proud about it. If you don't, if that's

605
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:01,279
Speaker 1: not where you're at, well, I think that's the other thing.

606
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 1: You don't have to post and tell everybody about your stuff.

607
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: You don't tell everybody about like you're going to college disappointments,

608
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,239
Speaker 1: so like it's weird, but like we should be going

609
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: and getting our check ups. But you don't have to

610
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: post on Facebook going to the guy. Know, like just

611
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: like you don't have to post on Facebook. I'm going

612
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: to see my therapist. Are more than welcome this is

613
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: your personal health. Yeah, you are more than welcome to

614
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 1: post whatever you want, go for it. But I think

615
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: also people don't need to know what you're doing if

616
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 1: you don't want them to know. Like I say that

617
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: with a grain of salt, because I don't think it

618
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,720
Speaker 1: needs to be a secret. But also that's all relative

619
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,520
Speaker 1: to you. There's people that love to post about their

620
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: own mental health and their stories on social media and

621
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: all of that, and there's some people that don't. It

622
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:48,160
Speaker 1: doesn't make you right or wrong. So I think that's

623
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,720
Speaker 1: one part of like, this gets to be your thing too.

624
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: If you're struggling with what my family think, well, this

625
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 1: gets to be your thing and you get to decide

626
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: what you tell them and what you don't tell them.

627
00:35:57,600 --> 00:35:59,759
Speaker 1: And that might be a boundary for you of like

628
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:01,920
Speaker 1: I'm not going to share this with people who I

629
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: know are going to say hurtful things about it. Yeah,

630
00:36:04,320 --> 00:36:07,959
Speaker 1: are people that you are unsure if their safety there. Yeah.

631
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: I would highlight that this is a part of your

632
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: overall health and that it's personal. If there was a

633
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: person that felt that way or felt very hesitant because

634
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 1: of their family quote unquote rules or expectations or just

635
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: general culture, like I said, with trust or minimization or representation,

636
00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:35,240
Speaker 1: like those things can be overcome because your health should

637
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:39,839
Speaker 1: be power test. So thank you guys for listening to

638
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: this conversation. Stacy, thank you for having it. Yes, I

639
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: enjoyed it. I think this is a conversation that obviously

640
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,200
Speaker 1: needs to be continued to have. I would love for

641
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 1: us to take questions and feed come back and do

642
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: it again. You will be on a couch Talks. Thank you, Stacy.

643
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 1: We'll have Stacy on Couch Talks, probably not this week

644
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: because we won't have time because it comes out in

645
00:37:02,200 --> 00:37:05,799
Speaker 1: two days. But if you maybe if you have questions

646
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,840
Speaker 1: about Stacy and her experience about if you have feedback

647
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: for me, if you have just questions in general about

648
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,319
Speaker 1: this topic or stories like I would love to hear

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Speaker 1: like your experience of your white, black, brown, yellow. I

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Speaker 1: don't care, like I want to know your experience with

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Speaker 1: your own culture and therapy because I think it's interesting

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Speaker 1: to get multiple perspectives. So if you have anything like that,

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Speaker 1: send it Catherine at you Need Therapy podcast dot com.

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Speaker 1: I would love to do a couch talks to us

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Speaker 1: about that, which, yes, we need to keep this conversation going,

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Speaker 1: and that's a way to do that. If you know

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Speaker 1: what you're like, Stacy sounds cool. I wish she was

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Speaker 1: my therapist. Guess what she can be. But only if

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Speaker 1: you live in Tennessee. So that's another thing. I'm just

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Speaker 1: gonna say it again I've never said it before. I'm

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Speaker 1: only licensed in Tennessee. Therefore, I can only see clients

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Speaker 1: who live in Tennessee. Same with Stacy. She can only

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Speaker 1: see clients that live in the state that we are

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Speaker 1: in right now. I am not taking on any more

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Speaker 1: clients at the moment, but Stacy is. So if you're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I need to talk to her, and you can email

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Speaker 1: her at Stacy at three Courts Therapy dot com, or

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Speaker 1: you can just go to three Courts Therapy dot com

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Speaker 1: and go to her about her page and there's a

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Speaker 1: form at the bottom you can send in an email

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Speaker 1: to her and and I will talk to you on

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Speaker 1: Wednesday for couch Talks. Bye, guys,