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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 2: Hey everyone, welcome to the Almost sus podcast. Today we

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Speaker 2: are recapping Jones Fantasy Sweet episode so very fantasy sweetie though,

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Speaker 2: and I'm doing it with Jared.

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Speaker 3: We figured it'd be more appropriate to have her husband

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Speaker 3: on talking about fantasy sweets and Ben.

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Speaker 4: Because we have so many fantasies sweets lately.

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Speaker 3: No fantasy sweets. You don't even like going on dates?

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Speaker 4: What do you mean?

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Speaker 3: I always ask you to dinner or like we did

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Speaker 3: do that and you're always like, well not tonight, like

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Speaker 3: because in the hours with our nanny, who's the best.

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Speaker 3: But obviously if we have her come later, then it

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Speaker 3: affects the day porsin. So there's a whole yeah, So.

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Speaker 4: Like I like to do it when you know, we

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Speaker 4: got built in grandparents and now you've projected me numerous

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Speaker 4: kinds projected you never anyway, Okay, our kid has the

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Speaker 4: hiccups behind us and Ben couldn't make the episode today,

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Speaker 4: so that's why I'm feeling it, and it has nothing

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Speaker 4: to do with the Fantasy Sweet anyway.

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Speaker 3: We're recapping Joe Fantasy Suite with let Me take a

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Speaker 3: Stab here guy Chalk and Pascal good job.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so it's it's It's fine.

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Speaker 2: Jared's doesn't watch this, he doesn't watch watch Oh no, no,

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Speaker 2: he watched this episode, but he hasn't.

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Speaker 3: I've seen watched if not. I love the show. Is

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Speaker 3: support such a big supporter, just two kids, a business,

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Speaker 3: you know, plus football season like that's the only the

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Speaker 3: only one.

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Speaker 4: It's top priority, and it's fine.

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Speaker 3: Between the World series football, like, I got a lot

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Speaker 3: going on my plate right now if I have any

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Speaker 2: But actually makes it more fun for me to talk

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Speaker 2: to Jared when he hasn't really been following the whole season,

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Speaker 2: because now I can get his first impressions right here

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Speaker 2: for you guys. And I told him, I was like,

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Speaker 2: we're not going to talk about the episode. We watched

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Speaker 2: it separately, and I was like, we're not going to

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Speaker 2: talk about the episode until we press record, because I

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Speaker 2: want to ask you a whole bunch of questions yep,

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Speaker 2: and I want them to also get your like first

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Speaker 2: reaction to them. Okay, so who is your who's your

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Speaker 2: favorite of all these three guys, who do you like

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Speaker 2: enjoy watching the most? I will say this is not

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Speaker 2: the most enthralling episode. They didn't their personalities didn't quite shy.

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Speaker 3: The front Runner and my favorite to watch are both

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Speaker 3: the same, and it's clearly chok okay. And I mean

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Speaker 3: there's like guy has to be he's very sweet, very nice.

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Speaker 3: Like when I'm saying these things, I first I feel

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Speaker 3: like I have to put a disclaimer out there because

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Speaker 3: they're all, you know, my elders, and I don't want

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Speaker 3: to respect my elders. They're all very good looking. Joan

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Speaker 3: is beautiful, these guys seem super sweet, their grandpas, so

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Speaker 3: you know, I just wanted to put that disclaimer out

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Speaker 3: because they're all wonderful men. But guys got to be

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Speaker 3: like the worst second place finisher of all time?

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Speaker 4: Oh my god, no offense.

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Speaker 3: To our very good looking but like in terms of

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Speaker 3: the connection between him and Joan did it. She's he's

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Speaker 3: I don't know like he said he but I just

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Speaker 3: I mean, she was so hesitant. It's very clear that

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Speaker 2: The worst second place finisher next to our friend and

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Speaker 2: lovely guy Justin from Katie Thurston season.

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Speaker 4: Like the fact that Justin got second.

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Speaker 3: Justin was not second.

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Speaker 4: He was.

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Speaker 3: Who did she pick?

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Speaker 4: She picked Blake points Justin not justin Glaze. Yeah, justin glaze.

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Speaker 3: Justin Glaze was not second. Shut up, Jared, he was.

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Speaker 2: And then Greg was the third left, remember, and then

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Speaker 4: And that's very similar to what happened in this episode.

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Speaker 3: Oh so Justin was realistically third.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, Sarah's yeah, bachelor at History.

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Speaker 3: Now that's so crazy.

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Speaker 4: Okay, that is crazy.

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Speaker 2: And it is just as crazy, if not crazier, that

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Speaker 3: I think Joan has other.

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Speaker 4: In this episode that she's like catching up with him.

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Speaker 4: I don't believe it.

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Speaker 3: Well, also, it's so.

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Speaker 4: An audience just as to speak your mind and your truth.

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Speaker 3: And well, no, not my truth. I don't want to

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Speaker 3: be a jerk about things, because you know, Joan's very

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Speaker 3: sweet and we say things. We all say things in

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Speaker 3: My point in saying this was when you know, Joan

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Speaker 3: to her feelings towards chalk in a matter of four hours.

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Speaker 3: I mean that talk about like not giving validity to

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Speaker 3: the you know love that is the love of the show.

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Speaker 2: Let me make you feel a little bit better about

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Speaker 2: talking a little smack. Guy has a restraining order. His

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Speaker 2: ex wife got a restraining order on him.

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Speaker 3: Damn, that's crazy. I can't believe he's on the show.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's one of those other seems like it

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Speaker 3: But whatever, I don't know anything about that will credit.

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Speaker 4: His kids seemed warm to him last week.

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Speaker 3: And also I'm sure there's a lot more to the

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Speaker 3: what we're talking about. And for this, yeah, there's no

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Speaker 3: connection with guy. Even before she goes on the date,

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Speaker 3: she has has a meetup with Nancy, and I have

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Speaker 3: split thoughts about this.

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Speaker 2: Nancy is so pretty, but that's all and I was

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Speaker 2: a little for her personality.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she was at the Golden Bachelor wedding. She was

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Speaker 3: very sweet.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, she they're both from northern Virginia. Well they're from

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Speaker 3: Very nice, good personalities. So before Nancy shows up, Jones

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Speaker 3: I guess it's so simple but yet so true. And

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Speaker 3: everything because in everyday life you're able to rely on

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Speaker 3: like I'll be right. There will be okay. But yeah,

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Speaker 3: it is crazy to think, and I can't believe I've

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Speaker 3: never really thought about it in detail before before, or

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Speaker 3: Jones said something is that, like, yeah, you really are

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Speaker 3: just making every decision by yourself. Because as much as

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Speaker 3: we love producers and I love them so much and

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Speaker 3: they are our friends, we're also very aware that they

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Speaker 3: have a job to do.

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Speaker 4: You never thought of this before.

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Speaker 3: I guess I never really thought like, oh my god, yeah,

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Speaker 3: the fact that like you are choosing everything by yourself.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's super crazy.

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Speaker 3: It is crazy because you do need outside perspectives. That's

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Speaker 3: why friends and family members are so important.

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Speaker 2: That's why hometowns and the final two meeting them families

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Speaker 3: I know, there really should be more time.

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Speaker 2: Really well, Ben and I were talking about that last week,

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Speaker 2: how hometowns maybe should happen earlier on.

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Speaker 3: So I loved how they brought in a friend to

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Speaker 3: the show, but it's like Nancy's known her for five

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Speaker 2: Year even And it's not Nancy's fault.

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Speaker 3: And it's also not the TV. It's not the Bachelorette's fault,

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Speaker 3: because you want to bring someone in that the audience knows,

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Speaker 3: what do I care about this? At least it's Nancy, like, oh,

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Speaker 3: for Joan if it was somebody who had known her

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Speaker 3: for more than just a year. Daughter, Yeah, a daughter,

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Speaker 3: But so yeah, with the Nancy thing, I thought that was.

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Speaker 3: It was like and then Nancy said something again, love

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 2: One theme of the season that I'm not sure is

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Speaker 4: Maybe maybe she's not already. No, I disagree, I think

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Speaker 4: I don't know, I feel guilty. I'm feeling guilty. I'm like,

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Speaker 4: maybe your guy's just not here.

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Speaker 3: Her guy may not be there, but that doesn't mean

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Speaker 3: that she isn't ready.

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Speaker 4: I don't think she would feel as guilty if her

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Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know. I mean, how long was she

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Speaker 3: I don't think any guy entering her life at this

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Speaker 4: Forty years, her ex husband, late husband.

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Speaker 3: Late husband. Excuse me for the terminology, but for example,

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Speaker 3: how long have we known each other?

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Speaker 4: Seven years? Wait? No, sorry, we've been together seven years

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Speaker 4: and we've known each other for nine and a half.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so let's just say ten years.

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Speaker 4: Year's right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're both thirty six, so we had twenty six

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Speaker 3: years of our life without each other. And think about

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Speaker 3: how impactful the last ten years have been on our lives. Yes,

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Speaker 3: well I'm that by.

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Speaker 4: Foal no, but that's why I don't even know, like

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Speaker 4: how I feel. I don't know if I would ever

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Speaker 3: I know that, like, yeah, I don't know either. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's just one of.

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Speaker 2: Those about this before tering Golden Bachelor, and we got

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Speaker 4: A grandpa, Pascual is a grandpa.

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Speaker 4: Yeah he does. Okay, did you notice that he has

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Speaker 3: Which one?

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Speaker 3: My biggest thing about Chock is that he just says.

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Speaker 2: He's like, I'm obsessed with you, I love you, You're

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Speaker 4: I've never felt like this before. I don't know. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And maybe you're not intentionally doing this, but subconsciously you're

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Speaker 2: She definitely makes out with him, like I mentioned last week,

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Speaker 3: Even like we look back upon last season, right Golden Bachelor,

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Speaker 4: He's ready to propose, though he will be living engaged.

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Speaker 3: He said, Yeah, I know. Again, if he picks her,

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Speaker 3: it's just like a little everything everything about Chalk is

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Speaker 3: I don't know, it's just that would be my only

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Speaker 2: So that was something I was gonna say because it

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Speaker 4: You know what I mean, because we all do that

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Speaker 2: Can't imagine anything better? Well you gotta, yeah, you jump

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Speaker 3: Well you think about crystals on your seat. He was

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Speaker 3: And when you're not with Chris, you're with producers who

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Speaker 3: So Chris, just like Caylin, just like us, we'll have

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Speaker 2: Know, relationshotibility thing you like are kind of like brainwashing

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that could work out that you could live in Deadwood,

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Speaker 4: Is dead I got dead Wood, South.

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Speaker 3: Dakota, got it. And then where does he live in Iowa?

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Speaker 3: He lives I don't know, somewhere.

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Speaker 4: I forget now.

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Speaker 3: Yeah you think, oh my god, you can't you know,

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Speaker 2: Okay, moving on, So they had our there's our same

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Speaker 3: Oh did you love how slow they were going?

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Speaker 4: You think they were going slower than us?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: Really?

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Speaker 3: I was like, okay, that makes sense this insurance purposes.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. When they went to the wide Shot,

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Speaker 2: They She spoke to both the guys about how she

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Speaker 2: I mean, I don't even think there's much to say here.

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Speaker 2: I agree. I think it's kind of how it should be.

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Speaker 2: I'm pretty much every season, but I'm a little bit

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Speaker 4: What do you think I do?

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Speaker 2: It's kind though, No, No, okay, I think it's cleaner like that.

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Speaker 2: I think it's cleaner to do it like that. I

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Speaker 2: bachelorettes in the past and been like, did the physicality

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Speaker 3: I would say it steers you in a different direction,

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Speaker 3: no problems with you know, somebody going to fantasy suites

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Speaker 3: and exploring different avenues of a relationship. But I will

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Speaker 3: agree with you, of course it muddies the waters.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Mundy's the waters because you're dating three other people.

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Speaker 4: Like That's why I understand the part shall.

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Speaker 3: Have sex with three people in a matter of a week, yes,

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Speaker 2: A matter of like six days usually, yes, it's every

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Speaker 2: don't know it's cleaner.

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Speaker 4: I understand if you go the other route. However, here,

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Speaker 3: I didn't get that.

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Speaker 2: I thought they were trying to I don't think she did.

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Speaker 2: I just think that they were trying to make it

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Speaker 3: Guys, Uh, Nope, you don't.

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Speaker 2: It's just I also think we should add that, like

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Speaker 4: And I think, like, especially at their age, it's like

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Speaker 3: Really those guys a good line.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't really. I don't know, we're not that old.

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Speaker 2: But like I don't think it's.

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Speaker 4: Like like what they really need right now is companionship.

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Speaker 4: Well they're really looking for as companions.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, of course. I mean it's just a circle of life.

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Speaker 3: You know, sex is not when you're in your early twenties.

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Speaker 3: It's just intimacy is a lot different than how you

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Speaker 3: just I think as you get older in life, you

441
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,840
Speaker 3: get more perspective, you gain more knowledge. I hope you do.

442
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:13,040
Speaker 3: You you learn every day, which is why we respect

443
00:21:13,040 --> 00:21:15,760
Speaker 3: our elders, because we see them as somebody who's smarter

444
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:19,360
Speaker 3: than ourselves. So I think sex is just a part

445
00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:24,640
Speaker 3: of a larger conversation in that we'll put Ben. Thanks.

446
00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:37,000
Speaker 2: Okay, So now we get to Pascal's date. And this

447
00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 2: was kind of teased that something would happen with Pascal

448
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:41,080
Speaker 2: the entire season.

449
00:21:42,560 --> 00:21:45,920
Speaker 4: You You were like, I was like, Jared, what happened

450
00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:46,640
Speaker 4: with the Pascal thing.

451
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:48,479
Speaker 2: Was it like super dramatic at the end, and then

452
00:21:48,520 --> 00:21:51,040
Speaker 2: you're like what, No, he left and then like he

453
00:21:51,119 --> 00:21:52,639
Speaker 2: was like, hey, can you like not have the camera

454
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,920
Speaker 2: on the for a second. I'm like, oh, wow, there's

455
00:21:55,000 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 2: definitely not as dramatic as we thought it would be.

456
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,919
Speaker 2: Pascal that I thought was going to happen at the ceremony,

457
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,880
Speaker 2: the bonding ceremony they had, I thought she was going

458
00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 2: to stand up there and be like, I can't do

459
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 2: a ceremony that's not with my husband. I thought she

460
00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 2: was going to be a big realization moment, but actually she.

461
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:14,200
Speaker 4: Hadn't that fine.

462
00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,240
Speaker 3: I thought he was going to go to Joan before

463
00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:18,840
Speaker 3: the day even began, because when he sat down with Jesse,

464
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:20,359
Speaker 3: he definitely.

465
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,000
Speaker 4: Was showing signs of not being fully in with signs.

466
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 3: I mean he was saying set it clear as day

467
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:29,240
Speaker 3: to Jesse and Pascal seems very sweet.

468
00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:34,120
Speaker 4: Again disclaimer, we loved his character, Ben and I loved him.

469
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,080
Speaker 2: We came out of hometowns with him being our favorite.

470
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:40,040
Speaker 2: Oh that's nice, yeah, because we thought that he was

471
00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,240
Speaker 2: what she needed at this chapter of her life.

472
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:43,240
Speaker 4: Just kind of fun.

473
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,320
Speaker 3: It potentially could be but obviously won't be it.

474
00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,959
Speaker 2: He kept saying, I think we're in a good spot

475
00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,520
Speaker 2: because you and I both are like still have our

476
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,840
Speaker 2: walls up, like you're still has about.

477
00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:58,240
Speaker 4: Jumping into something like this. I am as well, and

478
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 4: we were like yeah, maybe, like they both couldn't go

479
00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:02,800
Speaker 4: slow together. But apparently that's not what anybody wanted here.

480
00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 3: Apparently not, because he changed his mind even before the

481
00:23:06,240 --> 00:23:09,440
Speaker 3: next time he saw her. So that's pretty impressive. He yeah,

482
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,600
Speaker 3: as soon as he sat down with Jesse, it's like, okay, well,

483
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 3: he's obviously just taking himself out of this. So when

484
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,840
Speaker 3: they went through the whole date, it was certainly awkward

485
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:19,439
Speaker 3: is not the correct word to use, but it was

486
00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:24,880
Speaker 3: just procrastinating or you know, putting it off. I was like, okay,

487
00:23:24,960 --> 00:23:27,840
Speaker 3: let's you know, he's leaving. Why are we going through

488
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:29,320
Speaker 3: this date? Like he should have just said it before

489
00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:31,200
Speaker 3: the date, But that's fine. Maybe he thought he was

490
00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 3: going to change his mind again three hours, like.

491
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,640
Speaker 4: You know, let's see I've seen.

492
00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 3: When I saw was like, okay, let's let's look.

493
00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,640
Speaker 4: He said one line that was like yeah, and hopefully

494
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 4: we can get there today.

495
00:23:44,160 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

496
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,160
Speaker 4: Whenever you say that, it's.

497
00:23:45,960 --> 00:23:49,840
Speaker 3: Like no, it's over. But when he sat down with Jesse, Yeah,

498
00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 3: because he was talking about you know, a lot of

499
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 3: he's never been married, correct, No, he's been married. Oh okay,

500
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 3: because he said he was dating someone recently.

501
00:23:58,560 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 2: He seems that he divorced for quite some time. They

502
00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 2: were only married for seven nine years somewhere in there.

503
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:10,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Pascal just I I'm applaud his honesty,

504
00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:13,440
Speaker 3: letting her know that he's not looking for anything. He's

505
00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 3: not looking to get married, He's not looking for anything

506
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:15,679
Speaker 3: serious right now.

507
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:16,880
Speaker 4: They I'm not looking to get married.

508
00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 3: I'm just assuming if he's telling Joan that he's not looking.

509
00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 4: For anything, I say that he just wasn't into her enough,

510
00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:23,720
Speaker 4: of course.

511
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,639
Speaker 3: I think that's I think if it was the woman

512
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,040
Speaker 3: of his dreams, he would propose. Okay. Yeah, so it just.

513
00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:33,680
Speaker 2: Your way of saying it, that's offensive way of saying

514
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,520
Speaker 2: it's it's I just it's just not.

515
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 3: I don't think Joan was into it either. I think

516
00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 3: she actually felt in that moment when she was at dinner.

517
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 3: I got the sense that she felt a little relief

518
00:24:43,640 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 3: that she wasn't the one who was going to have

519
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 3: to break up with him, because she she she didn't

520
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 3: really fight back when she said she said something about

521
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 3: how this made her sad, but if this is you know,

522
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,200
Speaker 3: what you feel is right, then you should do it.

523
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,760
Speaker 3: It was just like, you know, okay, you guys are

524
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,119
Speaker 3: both ready to just walk away from this, which I

525
00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,280
Speaker 3: totally get, and you know, thank you for your service,

526
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,040
Speaker 3: and I bid you, adod.

527
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:13,919
Speaker 2: I left this episode just thinking she's not into it

528
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:17,320
Speaker 2: enough anywhere. Chalk is so much more into her.

529
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 3: So Chalk's not and he's not the guy, huh No,

530
00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 3: I mean.

531
00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:23,200
Speaker 4: He's gonna be the guy if she chooses a guy. Obviously.

532
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,399
Speaker 4: If she doesn't choose guy, he'll be Chock will be

533
00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:33,240
Speaker 4: the guy. But I just don't know. But it's interesting

534
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,520
Speaker 4: because it's kind of like the Golden Bachelor in that

535
00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 4: way because he ended up with Teresa, and we were like, really,

536
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:41,920
Speaker 4: you have the strongest feelings for Theresa. Yeah?

537
00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:46,840
Speaker 3: Who was this runner up? Leslie? Yeah? I forgot about Leslie.

538
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:48,440
Speaker 3: She's so sweet and then Faith.

539
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:50,200
Speaker 4: Everybody thought was be like Faith and Leslie and then

540
00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:51,199
Speaker 4: she ended up with and.

541
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,320
Speaker 3: Then he chose Teresa and then they got divorced.

542
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 4: So I don't know. I don't know.

543
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 2: I hope she's happy. That's all I care about. Chock

544
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 2: seems like a really great guy.

545
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 3: She should be happy. I guess that's my Also advice

546
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:06,280
Speaker 3: for her right now.

547
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 1: Is that.

548
00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:11,040
Speaker 4: She's forced into anything. That's all I feel like he

549
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:13,159
Speaker 4: might be, Like she might be feeling a little forced

550
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 4: into it.

551
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 3: M I hope she's not.

552
00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 4: And I just don't think that the show should be

553
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:22,119
Speaker 4: ending with an engagement. Yeah, I mean, it's still the

554
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:26,480
Speaker 4: Bachelor life though, Like I understand like getting the engagement

555
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:30,919
Speaker 4: for the twenty somethings at the early thirty somethings because

556
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,439
Speaker 4: like you're about to embark on like whole life together,

557
00:26:34,680 --> 00:26:37,480
Speaker 4: children together, lah lah. But these people are just looking

558
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:41,320
Speaker 4: for like somebody to hang with for you know. Look,

559
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:42,920
Speaker 4: I don't think you have to like put a ring

560
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:43,480
Speaker 4: on it, I.

561
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 3: Know, but if you're talking about like the TV aspect

562
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,640
Speaker 3: of it, you've gotta have steaks, you know, the stakes,

563
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:52,360
Speaker 3: the steakstas, I don't know. Plus worst comes the worse

564
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:54,719
Speaker 3: they if they get engaged. I mean, what happened with

565
00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:57,520
Speaker 3: Gary and Teresa's that they got married, yeah, and then

566
00:26:57,560 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 3: they had to get divorced a month later. That was

567
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 3: the mistake. Yeah, I don't think getting engaged was the mistake.

568
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, fine, Well I don't want them to have

569
00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 2: the pressure of getting married, which I do not think.

570
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:07,560
Speaker 4: That they will put on this couple.

571
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 2: No what happened, not after what happened, and to like,

572
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 2: the ratings are just not as bonanzas as Nanza's. I

573
00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:17,119
Speaker 2: just kind of came up with that word as that

574
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: season was and they just really wanted to profit off

575
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:19,840
Speaker 2: of it.

576
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 3: Do you think that there'll be another season.

577
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 4: Of Golden Apparently they're casting for it.

578
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 3: I saw that. Yeah, as long as this doesn't impede Paradise,

579
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 3: then sure.

580
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 2: I really just think, you know, maybe don't even cast

581
00:27:32,920 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 2: another Golden Bachelor, just.

582
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 4: Do the Golden Paradise. Everybody wants the Golden Paradise, which

583
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 4: I don't think. We've talked about this in the podcast

584
00:27:40,640 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 4: a number of times. I don't think it should be tropical.

585
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 4: I think it should be in the mountains.

586
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, we talked about we talk about Nancy, right, Yeah,

587
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,640
Speaker 3: like Nancy's so pretty. What if she got thrown into Paradise?

588
00:27:49,800 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know exactly.

589
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:55,240
Speaker 3: I think guys would be nuts into her. Yeah, of course,

590
00:27:56,840 --> 00:27:59,199
Speaker 3: But then that leads down a whole known conversation of

591
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 3: you know, if they're is like a thirty year gap

592
00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 3: thirty year gap old Nancy, she's sixty. Some of them

593
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 3: say she starts dating a thirty year old No, I

594
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 3: mean paradise, I don't mean Golden what golden.

595
00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:14,479
Speaker 4: Paradise dates Golden Bachelor? You know, Bachelor, Golden, Golden.

596
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, but what if you throw golden contestants to just

597
00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 3: see what happens?

598
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,400
Speaker 4: You would think that like, twenty something year old guys

599
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:20,399
Speaker 4: are gonna be in a Nancy.

600
00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:24,200
Speaker 3: Have you met twenty something year old guys.

601
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 2: I'm not saying that they're not gonna find her attractive,

602
00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 2: but there's no way.

603
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 4: That that mix up is gonna happen.

604
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 3: See what what hurts the show is not so much

605
00:28:32,280 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 3: a guy dating a golden Bachelorette contestant. It's a girl

606
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 3: dating a Golden Bachelor contestant. Because that is weird.

607
00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: Jared's that is not gonna happen. But there is plenty

608
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 2: shipping going around.

609
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 3: Why not let's make some good TV. Let's do it,

610
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,880
Speaker 3: you know, let's push some boundaries here. I'm kidding, let's

611
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 3: not do it, Okay, but you could have like Bill

612
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 3: Belichick and his girlfriend on there.

613
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 2: You know, all right, Well, I think that's it for

614
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:02,240
Speaker 2: this episode. There's not much to predict, as you and

615
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,760
Speaker 2: I both think that she will end up with Chock.

616
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 2: I just don't know if they're going to be like

617
00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 2: endgame forever.

618
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:16,720
Speaker 3: I guess the real for me, uh drama would be

619
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 3: to see if the final episode, if there's any way

620
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:23,840
Speaker 3: that Chuck Chock Chalk. I just want to say, Chuck, Yeah, Chalk.

621
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 4: Chok is quite an interesting name. Yeah, Like it's different,

622
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,720
Speaker 4: but not as interesting as the name Guy.

623
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. I would say Chalk is more interesting than guy.

624
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:34,840
Speaker 3: I've heard. I've met many of that's.

625
00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 4: Guys before too, which I still think it's a very

626
00:29:37,240 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 4: weird name choice.

627
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 3: But you know, yeah whatever, But what was I saying?

628
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,360
Speaker 4: I don't know, oh no, oh.

629
00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 3: The only drama would be if if Chalk like starts

630
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 3: changing his mind.

631
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 4: He's not.

632
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,240
Speaker 3: I don't think he is either.

633
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,720
Speaker 4: Because then we'd be like, let's not trust this guy's.

634
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 3: I just I feel like there's even just by her her,

635
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,479
Speaker 3: it doesn't even feel like you know something. When they

636
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 3: go into the final two, it's like it's clear that

637
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 3: the bachelorette has a strong connection more of a connection

638
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 3: with one contestant, but there's more red flags with that

639
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 3: contestant compared to the second one. So it's like, do

640
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 3: you go with the safe option and someone that you

641
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 3: know you'll.

642
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 4: Cure red flag? Chock does not have red flags? Like

643
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 4: you know how its like you're making the competition thing too.

644
00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 3: Big of a new no no, no, no no, It's

645
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,520
Speaker 3: not about competition, it's about the like as audience members,

646
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 3: I feel like a lot of times it's like they

647
00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 3: make it seem whether it actually is happening on set

648
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,880
Speaker 3: like that or not. Like the lead the person that

649
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,000
Speaker 3: is clearly the choosing, like.

650
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 4: Give them a back seat during the finale episode.

651
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 3: Not even a backseat, but they try like they try

652
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 3: to make it seem like there's something hindering this relationship,

653
00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 3: which is why does she go with the safe choice

654
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 3: with number two and someone that she knows that will

655
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 3: be there or does she go after her heart and

656
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 3: then see if.

657
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,480
Speaker 2: The Yeah, I understand what you're saying, that is typical

658
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 2: this season isn't typical though, with her absolute lack of bluster.

659
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,960
Speaker 3: With But that's my point is that guys, not even

660
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Speaker 3: the safe choice, like it feels like Chalk is more

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00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:10,960
Speaker 3: of a safe choice, and she has more of a

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00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,720
Speaker 3: connection with them, and they're more in love with each other.

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Speaker 4: Feel like, is she just gonna dumb guy? Now?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that'd beginning.

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Speaker 2: Of the episode and then be like, okay, family, you

666
00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:21,200
Speaker 2: can just meet Chalk.

667
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:25,280
Speaker 3: And honestly, for a golden season, I think audience members

668
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 3: would love to watch.

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Speaker 4: I'm totally fine with that.

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Speaker 3: You know, just to see like, Okay, let's get Guy

671
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:32,360
Speaker 3: of the way. We're not we want to see Joan

672
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 3: fall in love, she's in love with Chalk, and let's

673
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:40,120
Speaker 3: have the final hour of the episode just be you know,

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Speaker 3: about these two coming together and starting a new life.

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00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 2: I really wanted to know how much the producers are

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00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 2: pushing the whole, Like I feel guilty about John.

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00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,840
Speaker 4: I feel guilty about John thing because.

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00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 2: Maybe she's out there being like I have such strong

679
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 2: feelings for Chalk and then in the room, you know

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00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 2: the idea, they're like, but how do you think about John?

681
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 3: But I also, I mean, yes, the producer.

682
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 4: John looking down on you saying this, I.

683
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 3: Mean the producers could easily be doing that. But also

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Speaker 3: at the same time, I don't think you're giving enough.

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00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 3: Uh well, I think you're give enough gravity to like, Okay,

686
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 3: let me ask Jared.

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00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 4: I just told you, I don't even think she should

688
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:23,920
Speaker 4: be like, well, like, I only think she's ready.

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00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 3: Well, let me ask you this.

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00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:27,640
Speaker 4: Who tip a devil's advocate?

691
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 3: So do you want her to choose someone?

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00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 4: Yeah? I want her to choose someone, but like, also,

693
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 4: just like take it slow, just like, don't feel the pressure.

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00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,080
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm gonna ask you some rapid fire freightins

695
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 3: and then just be ready for him. So you want

696
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 3: her to choose someone?

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00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:41,360
Speaker 4: Yes?

698
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 3: Okay? Do you do you believe in soulmates?

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00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 4: Yeah?

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00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 3: Okay? Was is her soulmate her ex husband or chalk,

701
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:51,360
Speaker 3: her ex husband or her late husband?

702
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 4: Excuse me, yeah, her late husband. But so that's my

703
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 4: point is that it's just we're just looking for a

704
00:32:56,280 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 4: fun companion, That's.

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00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 3: What I mean. So, like, I don't I don't think

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00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 3: I think there's anything wrong with her moving on with

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00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 3: her life in a relationship with Shock while also still

708
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:10,480
Speaker 3: holding on to feelings for her late husband. I don't

709
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:15,239
Speaker 3: think her feelings of guilt is an example of her

710
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 3: not being ready.

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00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,040
Speaker 4: Okay, Okay, now you thumbed it up right there with

712
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 4: that statement.

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00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 3: That's just my feelings, okay, you know, And also just

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00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:27,479
Speaker 3: for her own how long has has her husband been

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00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 3: passed away?

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Speaker 4: One? So not that long?

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00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 3: No, not that long.

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00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 4: No. But at the same time, I'm like, are we

719
00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 4: sure here?

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Speaker 3: Well, also, it hasn't been that long in the grand

721
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:37,800
Speaker 3: scheme of things.

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00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,080
Speaker 4: After forty years does not feel like a lot.

723
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Speaker 3: But also three years is a long time, Jared, I.

724
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Speaker 4: Like, Jared, I was pregning with Dawson three years ago.

725
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 3: Think how along though that felt?

726
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 4: I don't think so, that's our difference.

727
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 3: Actually, we've had a three year olds, We've moved twice,

728
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 3: we've had a new baby, we have done a lot.

729
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 3: Three years is a long time to do things. So

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Speaker 3: my point in saying that is at some point Joan

731
00:34:01,160 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 3: and she should, and I hope she feels okay with this,

732
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 3: should move on with her life.

733
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 4: Are we dragging this out?

734
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:08,480
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I feel like it's interesting, like

735
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 3: she has to and it's okay. I'm sure. Do we

736
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Speaker 3: know where her late husband is? John?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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00:34:13,600 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 3: John, I'm sure John, if he was able to speak

740
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:20,440
Speaker 3: to Joan, would want her to move on, you know,

741
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:23,600
Speaker 3: and try to be as happy as possible. Yeah, and

742
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 3: so I hope she is able to do that, and

743
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 3: even if that means picking chalk, and then they realize

744
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,200
Speaker 3: in six months that it wasn't the right scenario. But

745
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 3: like her being in a new relationship and discovering new things,

746
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 3: whether it be good or bad, I think it's important.

747
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 3: Are you okay?

748
00:34:40,400 --> 00:34:42,360
Speaker 4: My foot is so asleep and uncomfortable.

749
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 3: Okay, I thought you had to like poop. No, Like

750
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 3: she's shuffling in the seat a lot, like she's either

751
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 3: got a pee or.

752
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 4: This is the craziest feeling in my foot right now.

753
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 3: You would always make fun of me because I I know,

754
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 3: almost painful.

755
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,120
Speaker 4: I know this is not painful. It's like doesn't exist.

756
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:11,120
Speaker 3: I have no legs. You don't know what movie that's from.

757
00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 3: I wonder if anybody listening knows a movie that's from.

758
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 4: What's it from?

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00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 3: I'll give you so think about it. I have no legs.

760
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 3: I have no legs. Three to one, no idea can't

761
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 3: hardly waite.

762
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 4: Hanne Harley Wade. Oh, I know because Shane west.

763
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:30,799
Speaker 2: Is actually in that what part of Shane Weston? He's

764
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 2: not a main character, No, he's definitely no. Not Karen

765
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 2: Harley Wade there's.

766
00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 3: Another one that he's in, like Shane Weston.

767
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 4: Sane Hardley Wade. Who else is in there?

768
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,640
Speaker 3: Jennifer love Hewett and Ethan Embry. He was the kid

769
00:35:43,800 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 3: from that Thing You Do and he's in Empire Records.

770
00:35:49,000 --> 00:35:51,439
Speaker 3: Oh and he's the kid. Wait, I think Shane west

771
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,960
Speaker 3: might be in this hold on seth Green. Oh yeah,

772
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 3: such a good movie. Oh my god, Jason Siegel is

773
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 3: in it. That's right before Jason's Siegel was ever any

774
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 3: type of star. Jamie Presley, Oh, this is coming back memory. Sorry, guys,

775
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 3: we're just going down memory lane here. Sama Blair makes

776
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 3: a cameo on it. That's right. This movie is so good.

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00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:16,520
Speaker 3: I can't hardly wait. If you're a fan of THEND,

778
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 3: you'll need to.

779
00:36:17,080 --> 00:36:20,400
Speaker 2: Get Jennifer love Hewitt on this podcast because she is

780
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 2: a Bachelor fan and she's so sweet and better in

781
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 2: real life though, no, this messages us sometimes, but the.

782
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 3: Fact that like she even messages you is just need

783
00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 3: to get.

784
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 4: Bean burritos during pregnancy?

785
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,000
Speaker 3: Amazing? And I know what you did last summer. The

786
00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 3: third one apparently is set to go with Brian Philpy.

787
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 3: No he's dead, No, no, no, well, Ryan Philip is

788
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:44,960
Speaker 3: dead but Freddy, Prince Junior and Jennifer Love Hewitt's fun.

789
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,880
Speaker 3: That's really fine. Ready to go. It's gonna be cute.

790
00:36:48,920 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 3: It's gonna be like a legacy sequel like Scream Cool.

791
00:36:51,560 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, let's go.

792
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:52,880
Speaker 4: Okay.

793
00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,879
Speaker 2: Well, now that we've fully moved on from the Golden Bachelorette,

794
00:36:57,040 --> 00:37:00,680
Speaker 2: well bid you, Ado bye guys, See you next week.

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