WEBVTT - It's a MizStory 0:00:00.880 --> 0:00:04.440 This is How Men Think with growthsl and Gavin de 0:00:04.559 --> 0:00:09.120 Grab and I Hear Radio Podcast. Welcome to another episode 0:00:09.160 --> 0:00:12.880 of How Men Think Podcast. We do not have the 0:00:13.039 --> 0:00:16.360 very lovable Mr Gavin DeGraw today, but we do have 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:19.840 We also don't have Rich Dmitria Ryan but filling their place. 0:00:20.600 --> 0:00:23.560 This guy. I've been reading up a ton on him. 0:00:23.840 --> 0:00:26.200 I'm a huge fan from what I've gained in the 0:00:26.280 --> 0:00:29.360 knowledge of reading him, what he's done with his life, 0:00:29.360 --> 0:00:32.800 his journey, and obviously his success speaks for himself. But 0:00:32.880 --> 0:00:36.480 we have and I'm gonna grant you the esteemed privilege 0:00:36.560 --> 0:00:39.839 of co host of How Men Think. Mr Mike mazzan 0:00:40.000 --> 0:00:42.640 in with us. Mike, what's that buddy? Hey, I'm doing 0:00:42.800 --> 0:00:45.600 very very good. I see how important I am to 0:00:45.640 --> 0:00:47.680 you guys. When Gavin DeGraw doesn't want to show up 0:00:47.720 --> 0:00:49.080 and no one else wants to show up, but you 0:00:49.120 --> 0:00:52.320 know what, we'll make this the best episode that has 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:56.080 ever been created. And literally they'll be so mad that 0:00:56.120 --> 0:00:59.520 they were not involved with this podcast. See. Here's the 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:02.360 thing that is, here's the thing. I have to say 0:01:02.360 --> 0:01:04.240 that they didn't show up, but really, we gave them 0:01:04.240 --> 0:01:07.880 the boot so that we could have you. Yeah, but 0:01:07.880 --> 0:01:10.399 but they it's a good trade. It's a solid trade. 0:01:10.680 --> 0:01:13.800 It's a solid trade. They tune in. They're big fans 0:01:13.840 --> 0:01:15.759 of the show as well as participants in the show, 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:17.960 so they're always listening. So I gotta give them a 0:01:17.959 --> 0:01:20.640 shout out at home and make them feel good. But really, Tori, 0:01:20.760 --> 0:01:23.400 our producer, Tor and I, we just devised and hatch 0:01:23.480 --> 0:01:25.080 this little plan, like I get these guys out of 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:27.560 here so we can get the MSS in here all 0:01:27.560 --> 0:01:31.960 by ourselves, all by ourselves. Dude, dude, I wanna. I'm 0:01:32.000 --> 0:01:35.680 I'm so fascinated by your story. Most people will know 0:01:35.800 --> 0:01:39.000 you from one of two things, from either reality TV 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:44.319 or mostly from your success as a w w E 0:01:44.880 --> 0:01:49.920 absolute superstar. You have literally one everything there is to 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:53.400 win in the w w E that's true, and which 0:01:53.440 --> 0:01:55.000 is when is it you? It's funny you see you 0:01:55.040 --> 0:01:58.000 say that I'm more known for w w E like 0:01:58.560 --> 0:02:01.440 in two thousand five. Was not the case. Like when 0:02:01.440 --> 0:02:04.760 I got signed to w w E in two thousand five, six, 0:02:04.880 --> 0:02:07.640 seven eight, I was on the Real World. I did 0:02:07.680 --> 0:02:11.000 like five challenges. I was like on every reality show, 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:15.119 fear Factor, you name it, and uh and literally anywhere 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:17.640 I would go, it was always the real world, always 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:23.120 the real world. And then I would say probably in yeah, 0:02:23.160 --> 0:02:26.080 two ten, maybe maybe even a little bit after like 0:02:26.120 --> 0:02:29.959 two eleven twelve, that's when it started changing to more 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:34.920 w w E than MTV or any type of reality. Um. 0:02:35.080 --> 0:02:37.799 Because two thousand ten you headline was it WrestleMania, you 0:02:37.840 --> 0:02:41.040 headline Wrestling and WrestleMania twenty seven against John Cena, the 0:02:41.160 --> 0:02:44.600 Rock comes out, helps you retain my title as a 0:02:44.720 --> 0:02:48.000 bad guy in the main event. To win and retain 0:02:48.080 --> 0:02:52.360 the w w E Championship, it's absolutely unheard of. It 0:02:52.480 --> 0:02:56.120 just does not happen in w w E ever, and 0:02:56.480 --> 0:03:00.800 it happened that year, and it was luckily me of 0:03:00.880 --> 0:03:03.560 all people, and uh, it's one of the shining moments 0:03:03.560 --> 0:03:05.320 of my life. I love it. So I want to 0:03:05.360 --> 0:03:08.040 get more into this journey because that is I mean, 0:03:08.040 --> 0:03:10.680 winning that is that's the pinnacle of sports entertainment, right, 0:03:11.000 --> 0:03:13.600 that is that is the top of the mountain in 0:03:13.680 --> 0:03:17.160 the sports entertainment world. Winning the w w E Championship 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:21.400 is top. But then retaining it or winning it at 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:26.880 WrestleMania in the main event, that's where it's at. UM. 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:28.639 So I want to get to this. So you are 0:03:29.320 --> 0:03:32.880 because for our listeners, they see you, they see this 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:35.119 ultimate success, and they don't see it and just see 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:38.040 it in you. They'll see it in many people, especially 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:42.840 on social media, on TV wherever. You see people's ultimate success, 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:47.120 but you don't see the years and often decades of 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:50.480 the grind and the rise to that success. So I 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:53.760 want to go back to the beginning for you, I 0:03:53.800 --> 0:03:56.160 mean reading through your bio. In high school, you were 0:03:56.280 --> 0:04:00.000 basketball and track and field, weren't you. I was in basketball, 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:02.200 I was in cross country. I was captain of the 0:04:02.280 --> 0:04:05.840 baseball team, cross country team. I played every sport like 0:04:05.880 --> 0:04:10.440 I just loved competition. I loved being involved, uh in 0:04:10.800 --> 0:04:13.880 in team sports. I like the camaraderie in the locker room. 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:16.880 And so yeah, I was really involved with any type 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:20.039 of sport. So the fascinating thing for me, though, is 0:04:20.880 --> 0:04:23.520 when I look at those two things. Okay, you did basketball, 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:26.599 you did track and field or a cross country Um, 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:28.320 I believe you were a swimmer too. He did some 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:32.160 of that and then to rise to w w E 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:38.799 UM superstar and champion of the world. Um, you didn't 0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:42.400 wrestle in high school? No, you didn't had a wrestling 0:04:42.480 --> 0:04:45.040 You didn't like so that's the thing for me. I'm like, Wow, 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:48.360 this guy achieved amazing things, but it was his journey 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:52.040 that brought him to that achievement versus he wanted that 0:04:52.080 --> 0:04:54.760 from the get go. That was in high school. I 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:58.839 went to Normandy High School, public school in uh in Parma, Ohio, 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:02.960 and I, uh, I was involved with cross country. The 0:05:03.000 --> 0:05:04.800 reason why I wanted to do cross country was just 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:08.080 to stay in shape for baseball and basketball. That's that 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:11.919 was the number one goal. So I was cross country 0:05:11.960 --> 0:05:13.960 just so I can stay in shape. And I liked 0:05:14.040 --> 0:05:16.839 I liked running, like, I really enjoyed it. And then 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:19.760 with basketball. It's actually a funny story. The reason why 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:23.560 I got involved with swimming was so basketball. My sophomore year, 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:27.080 I was put on the varsity team, and uh then 0:05:27.160 --> 0:05:30.360 my junior year, I got cut from the team. How 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:34.039 does that happen? Yeah, your sophomore year you make the 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:36.840 varsity team, and then the junior year you don't. So 0:05:36.880 --> 0:05:42.320 I forget somebody off. Watch this so you'll see where 0:05:42.360 --> 0:05:45.200 I get all my miss from. I go home and 0:05:45.200 --> 0:05:49.080 it's oh, my dad, I'm my dad. I like, I 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:51.520 don't understand how I got cut. He goes, Oh, I 0:05:51.520 --> 0:05:53.440 know I knew you would. I go, what do you mean? 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:55.640 He goes, Oh, I saw the coach out. I almost 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:58.240 got a fight with him, and uh. I was like, man, 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:00.640 I wonder if this is gonna affect that my son 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:04.719 is playing for that coach and uh, well it did. Sorry, 0:06:05.200 --> 0:06:09.400 And so that so not basketball is in the season 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:13.719 of swimming and and wrestling. I had a choice. I'd 0:06:13.720 --> 0:06:17.360 always see the wrestlers like shaving weight, not eating so 0:06:17.400 --> 0:06:19.960 they can get lower. I was like, man, I don't 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:22.200 want to do that, Like, there is no way I 0:06:22.200 --> 0:06:23.880 want to do that. So and I was a really 0:06:23.880 --> 0:06:27.120 good swimmer. So I went on the swim team and 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:29.000 uh I became one of the best swimmers on the 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:32.920 swim team. And uh that was my junior year. Then 0:06:32.920 --> 0:06:35.200 my senior year, that coach got fired. So I went 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:37.560 and played basketball for my senior year and I made 0:06:37.560 --> 0:06:40.920 the team. So I mean it just goes to show 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:43.039 like my junior year I didn't make a team because 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:45.880 my dad got me cutting. People when you tell that, 0:06:46.000 --> 0:06:48.560 like you say that story like okay, yeah, your dad 0:06:48.600 --> 0:06:52.320 got you cut, Like no, really, my father got me 0:06:52.400 --> 0:06:55.000 cut from the basketball team. And my senior year that 0:06:55.040 --> 0:06:58.200 coach got fired, and I got and another coach was 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:01.200 on and I made the basketball team once get. So 0:07:01.520 --> 0:07:03.320 I mean that just goes to show and I was 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:06.120 just I was the captain of the baseball team. So 0:07:06.240 --> 0:07:09.320 I was always involved with sports. I never realized like 0:07:09.440 --> 0:07:11.520 I could be a w W superstar. I was a 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:14.360 huge fan growing up. Like I loved Ultimate Warrior. I 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:18.240 loved the energy, three clothes lines, splash, panting the stage. 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:21.160 Well there's Spaceship with the rock pit fuel. I mean 0:07:21.160 --> 0:07:24.760 I could recite that promo verbatim. And so I was 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:27.680 a huge fan. And uh, you know, I I would 0:07:27.720 --> 0:07:29.880 eat my vitamins because Hulk Hogan told me to eat 0:07:29.880 --> 0:07:33.360 my vitamins, and uh, but I never thought I could 0:07:33.360 --> 0:07:36.800 do it. I mean, these guys were six five pounds 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:40.320 of pure solid muscle and just ooze charisma. I mean, 0:07:40.360 --> 0:07:43.240 these were my heroes, and you never believe that you 0:07:43.280 --> 0:07:46.840 can be your heroes. So I I just went on 0:07:47.280 --> 0:07:50.000 with my life and just kind of didn't even think 0:07:50.040 --> 0:07:52.480 about it. The first time I thought that I wanted 0:07:52.520 --> 0:07:54.960 to be a w W E superstar was after the 0:07:55.000 --> 0:07:57.800 real world. The real world gave me the confidence to 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:01.040 actually say, you know what, I could do anything. I 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:03.480 want with my life. If I sent my mind to 0:08:03.560 --> 0:08:07.680 it and I sacrifice everything, then I can do this. 0:08:08.480 --> 0:08:11.120 So when everyone else on the RAILAD was like, yeah, 0:08:11.160 --> 0:08:12.640 I want to be a VJ. I want to be 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:14.960 a host, I want to be an actor, I want 0:08:14.960 --> 0:08:16.320 to be a model. I said, I want to be 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:19.120 a w W superstar, and everybody laughed at me. Everyone 0:08:19.200 --> 0:08:21.240 was like, there is no way because at the time 0:08:21.840 --> 0:08:23.960 it was you had to be six five and like 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:27.160 three pounds of pure solid muscle. And how is I 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:30.360 gonna do it? I don't know. But I found a 0:08:30.480 --> 0:08:33.080 school in um in Los Angele. I want to move 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:37.040 to Los Angeles just because I when I when I 0:08:37.080 --> 0:08:38.960 look at something, I go all right, what are the 0:08:39.000 --> 0:08:42.400 tools that I need to be successful in this? And 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:45.400 the tools are for w w E. I said, Okay, 0:08:45.440 --> 0:08:48.840 I need to get learned the art of professional wrestling. 0:08:48.920 --> 0:08:51.880 There was an independent wrestling school called a Pro Wrestling 0:08:51.920 --> 0:08:55.640 that was associated with w w E. They weren't signed 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:57.360 with w w E, but they had they had the 0:08:57.400 --> 0:09:00.120 opportunity to talk to w W and say, hey, we 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:02.800 got this kid here and get you know my name 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:04.840 in the mix. I guess you could say. So I 0:09:04.880 --> 0:09:07.400 started training there. When I moved to Los Angeles, then 0:09:07.440 --> 0:09:09.440 I started in acting at school because I was like, 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:11.880 all right, what is w w E? W w E 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:15.600 is not only athletically gifted, but you must be able to, 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:19.280 you know, tell a story. And how can I figure 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:20.920 out how to tell a story? I went to acting 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:23.600 classes and then I was like, it's a lot of improv. 0:09:23.880 --> 0:09:26.080 When you're on the microphone. You better know how to 0:09:26.360 --> 0:09:28.880 handle yourself on there. If someone says something you, you 0:09:28.960 --> 0:09:31.800 better be able to say something back really fast. So 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:34.760 I went to Improv Olympics, where I learned the art 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:38.280 of improv. And then UM I was also when I 0:09:38.280 --> 0:09:40.680 when I get off the Real World, Beau to Murray. 0:09:40.720 --> 0:09:44.560 The production company that um that that produces the Real 0:09:44.600 --> 0:09:49.000 World sent us to like Sonoma State to learn how 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:51.400 to talk in front of an audience. Now, I don't 0:09:51.400 --> 0:09:55.160 know if you remember Pedro from Real World San Francisco? 0:09:56.559 --> 0:09:58.679 Remember him? Here it was there was Puck and there 0:09:58.720 --> 0:10:02.280 was Pedro. Pedro what had HIV? He was HIV positive 0:10:02.559 --> 0:10:04.960 and he was basically showing the world what it was 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:09.280 like to live with being HIV positive. This guy created 0:10:09.320 --> 0:10:12.120 something I don't I don't think many people actually talk 0:10:12.160 --> 0:10:16.480 about this, but he would do speeches at colleges about 0:10:16.600 --> 0:10:20.960 his experience with being HIV positive, and then after that 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:24.520 a lot of other real worlders would talk about their 0:10:24.520 --> 0:10:28.160 experiences to colleges, Like colleges would hire us to go 0:10:28.240 --> 0:10:30.680 to their school and talk. Because what is real world. 0:10:30.720 --> 0:10:34.400 Real world is basically kind of like leaving your parents, 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:37.720 leaving your family, leaving your friends and going somewhere like 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:41.640 unknown and living somewhere different. We are experiences on the 0:10:41.679 --> 0:10:43.800 real world. And since kids in college where it was 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:47.439 so huge with colleges, colleges would hire us to go 0:10:47.559 --> 0:10:50.079 and speak in front of an audience. So I used 0:10:50.120 --> 0:10:53.520 I utilized that saying, Okay, I can speak in front 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:56.680 of a thousand people here, and if I can get 0:10:56.720 --> 0:10:59.600 this crowd motivated, then I can definitely get the w 0:10:59.600 --> 0:11:03.040 w E crowd motivated. So it was basically my practice. 0:11:03.679 --> 0:11:06.199 So that's kind of where that all came about. Because 0:11:06.200 --> 0:11:08.400 also in in in your line of work in the 0:11:08.520 --> 0:11:13.120 w w E UM, you said, um, the ability to 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:15.320 speak in front of people or to be witty, to 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:18.199 be an engaging conversation with somebody that you're talking to, 0:11:18.320 --> 0:11:21.840 your competitor or your opponent, whatever, but also the ability 0:11:21.880 --> 0:11:25.359 to play to the crowd or to manipulate or interrogate 0:11:25.480 --> 0:11:28.719 or not interrogate, irritate the crowd. You know, like that 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:32.080 is such a really good irritating your crowd. Yeah, that 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:35.480 that energy transaction from you to them, and that's kind 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:38.720 of sometimes what UM Gavin does on our show, or 0:11:38.960 --> 0:11:42.719 like the polarity between Gavin and I resonates differently with 0:11:42.760 --> 0:11:46.560 our listeners, you know, so um the ability to either 0:11:46.600 --> 0:11:48.880 be a good guy and have the crowd behind you, 0:11:49.000 --> 0:11:51.920 or be the bad guy and just irritate the crap 0:11:51.920 --> 0:11:55.280 out of the crowd. Either way, you perk their interests 0:11:55.280 --> 0:11:58.240 and you have them invested in you. They are fans 0:11:58.240 --> 0:12:01.800 of you, even though they might despise you. You have, 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:07.520 of course, there's attention. You have the currency of their attention. Good. Yeah, 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:09.560 I mean that's that's the whole thing about being a 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:12.960 w w E superstar. You have to know how if 0:12:13.000 --> 0:12:15.560 an audience when you walk out and your entrance music 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:19.199 hits and you hear crickets. You have to know how 0:12:19.840 --> 0:12:22.640 to get an audience behind you, whether they're booing you 0:12:22.760 --> 0:12:25.080 or cheering you. You have to figure out a way 0:12:25.240 --> 0:12:27.160 and their tricks to it I mean, there are easy 0:12:27.200 --> 0:12:30.880 ways where you just say, you know, uh, if the 0:12:31.640 --> 0:12:34.720 fans are channing you suck, It's like I couldn't possibly suck. 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:37.240 I'm not from Los Angeles and you're in Los Angeles. 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:39.600 I mean that's an easy way. Those are easy ways, 0:12:39.720 --> 0:12:42.880 but then there's also the difficult ways where you just 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:45.600 you kind of develop a character. And that's what I said. 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:47.680 You know what, I'm gonna be a character. I'm going 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:51.200 to beat someone that literally you can you can be 0:12:51.320 --> 0:12:53.080 next door, like you could be your next door neighbor 0:12:53.320 --> 0:12:54.880 and you just can't stand him and you want to 0:12:54.920 --> 0:12:57.559 punch him in the face. I'm gonna be that guy 0:12:58.000 --> 0:13:00.200 that that you know, John Cena is gonna be able 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:03.520 to punch me in the face for you, because I 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:05.120 know you're not gonna be able to do that to 0:13:05.160 --> 0:13:08.880 your neighbor, but you can in visualize this face as 0:13:08.920 --> 0:13:11.520 your neighbor and let John Cena just punched it a 0:13:11.559 --> 0:13:13.960 bunch of times. So I want to get into that. 0:13:14.320 --> 0:13:16.040 I'll dive into that right now because it's current, but 0:13:16.040 --> 0:13:18.080 I also want to get into what you said before 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:22.120 and and the steps prior to getting to real world 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:25.360 even and then the w W e. Um, but how 0:13:25.400 --> 0:13:28.840 do you? Because it's so much easier to want to 0:13:28.840 --> 0:13:31.640 be loved, Like as a professional athlete, playing at home 0:13:32.240 --> 0:13:34.440 is so much fun. When people are chanting your name, 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:37.320 wearing your jersey and everybody is just loving on you. 0:13:37.600 --> 0:13:40.800 It's I I also really enjoy when we go to 0:13:40.880 --> 0:13:44.400 Philadelphia or Pittsburgh and people who and you were getting 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:47.240 spit on walking out of the bus into the arena, 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:50.560 like people just hated you. That's also getting spit on 0:13:50.679 --> 0:13:53.760 is not fun. But um, people just hated you. That's 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:57.720 also kind of fun to be the villain. But I, 0:13:57.840 --> 0:14:01.480 given the options, I'd rather play at home, you play, 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:04.760 I would I would rather. I would rather be booed. 0:14:04.800 --> 0:14:07.360 And I think it derives from my dad. My dad 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:09.840 was always the type of person growing up. Whenever he 0:14:09.840 --> 0:14:12.120 would walk into the into the room, my dad would 0:14:12.120 --> 0:14:17.000 be like George is here, and be like, oh God. 0:14:17.080 --> 0:14:19.440 But they loved seeing him, love hearing but that the 0:14:19.480 --> 0:14:24.600 initial reaction was always ah, he's here, okay. Because my 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:28.040 dad was loud, he was obnoxious, and but he has 0:14:28.080 --> 0:14:30.880 an infectious thing that you just want to be around 0:14:30.960 --> 0:14:34.400 him and he's fun. But he's all I'll never forget 0:14:34.520 --> 0:14:40.000 that the initial reaction to people was always ah, and 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:44.040 it's like that that that reaction in w W E 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:47.920 like I am able to make sure that an audience 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:51.440 absolutely despises me and that that like you say, you'd 0:14:51.520 --> 0:14:54.320 rather be playing for the home I'd rather be your 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:58.040 biggest rivals team, like I would rather be the Cleveland 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:01.760 Browns in Pittsburgh and and beat the hell out of 0:15:01.800 --> 0:15:04.920 the Pittsburgh Steelers. That's what that, That's what thrives me 0:15:05.120 --> 0:15:08.640 getting food out of the building, being hated, uh and 0:15:09.200 --> 0:15:12.160 nothing like. So I'll give you for instance, yesterday it 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:14.560 was my I think I think it was ten year 0:15:14.600 --> 0:15:19.480 anniversary of when I lost the United States Championship in Toronto, 0:15:19.560 --> 0:15:24.840 Canada to Breadth the hit Man Heart. And it was funny. 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:28.080 It came up on Instagram and I was like, oh wow, 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:30.720 like I remember that. And the reason why I remember 0:15:30.760 --> 0:15:34.280 that is because I was the United States Champion and 0:15:34.560 --> 0:15:39.280 I when I lost, I never heard a happier crowd. 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:43.440 I know, kids went home and talked about the moment 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:46.480 that Breadth the hit Man Heart came back and beat 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:49.840 the miss for the United States Championship in that arena. 0:15:49.920 --> 0:15:53.360 I guarantee there were people have moments that they will 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:55.680 remember for a lifetime. And that's a moment. It's a 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:58.400 moment that I remember because I remember being a kid, 0:15:59.000 --> 0:16:01.680 like a ten year old kid, and wanting the sunglasses 0:16:02.120 --> 0:16:06.520 of Breath the Hitman Heart, and I, you know, every 0:16:06.560 --> 0:16:09.200 time he would come out in his entrance, he'd always 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:11.840 give his sunglasses some lucky kid, and I was just 0:16:11.840 --> 0:16:14.080 wanting to be that kid. And then there I was 0:16:14.200 --> 0:16:16.920 in the middle of the ring getting a sharpshooter by 0:16:16.920 --> 0:16:20.840 Breadth the Hitman Heart, tapping out and hearing the crowd erupt. 0:16:21.040 --> 0:16:24.400 And there is no bigger compliment to a bad guy 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:28.360 than hearing the crowd erupt when you lose a title, 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:31.400 and it's it's oh, it's been like my m O 0:16:31.560 --> 0:16:33.160 ever since I first started. Like when I won the 0:16:33.280 --> 0:16:36.080 w w E Championship, I cashed in this money in 0:16:36.120 --> 0:16:39.920 the bank contract where you could have a w w 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:44.400 E Championship match anytime, anywhere, and I chose Randy Orton 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:47.480 as the w W Champion, who was the biggest good 0:16:47.480 --> 0:16:50.160 guy at the time. Everyone loved him. And it was 0:16:50.280 --> 0:16:53.960 just after he faced nine superstars and went through a 0:16:54.000 --> 0:16:57.440 gauntlet match and he's barely standing and I cashed him 0:16:57.440 --> 0:16:59.680 the money in the bank contract and I beat him 0:16:59.680 --> 0:17:02.200 and I'm ever forget. There was a little girl in 0:17:02.240 --> 0:17:05.200 the audience that had a face that they call her 0:17:05.240 --> 0:17:09.159 the angry miss Girl, and it's solidified my w W 0:17:09.320 --> 0:17:11.959 E championship like that face. It was just like it 0:17:12.040 --> 0:17:17.160 was the meanest, maddest little girl face, like a pouty mean, 0:17:17.720 --> 0:17:19.879 I'm so mad at the miss face, and it was 0:17:19.920 --> 0:17:24.280 just it was perfect. I was like, great, and listening 0:17:24.320 --> 0:17:26.800 to this man, there's a there's a huge component in 0:17:26.960 --> 0:17:30.760 unselfishness in what you're doing. Oh yeah, Like I love 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:35.879 what you said they're about Because breta hitman. Heart was Canadian, right, Yeah, 0:17:36.000 --> 0:17:38.199 so he win he wins it in Toronto. He was 0:17:38.280 --> 0:17:42.199 beloved in Canada. Um. But the fact that you said that, 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:46.000 the joy that you get out of allowing a favorite 0:17:46.119 --> 0:17:49.880 or whatever to to get that eruption from the crowd, 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:54.359 it's got to be so internally fulfilling. In almost the 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:57.160 quietest way, the cheer isn't for you, but in a way, 0:17:57.200 --> 0:18:00.719 the cheer is for you. Yeah, there's no bigger like 0:18:00.760 --> 0:18:04.359 whenever you, as a bad guy are a champion, whether 0:18:04.400 --> 0:18:08.400 it's intercontinental, United States Tag Team or ww A. Your 0:18:08.560 --> 0:18:13.200 job is to be so despised, so hated that whenever 0:18:13.320 --> 0:18:15.960 you win that title, whenever you retain that title, the 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:19.760 people are so angry when you do. So, when you 0:18:19.920 --> 0:18:25.400 finally lose those titles, the crowd goes electric and whoever 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:29.680 beat you for that title is elevated because of what 0:18:29.760 --> 0:18:33.120 you just did. And so that's where that's the art 0:18:33.240 --> 0:18:37.040 of where I guess, I play, where I go, Okay, 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:39.080 this is my job. My job is to elevate this 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:41.760 title so much that no matter who I lose, this 0:18:41.840 --> 0:18:46.119 title two is elevated more than they already are. Which 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:49.720 is an incredibly unselfish thing when you actually really look 0:18:49.760 --> 0:18:53.320 at it. Yeah, it truly is, dude, it's it's truly 0:18:53.359 --> 0:18:56.480 an incredibly You win by it, to write like you 0:18:56.840 --> 0:19:01.240 in in in the grand scheme of things, you win career, successful, notoriety, fame, 0:19:01.520 --> 0:19:04.560 finances everything. Um, so you win by it too, but 0:19:04.760 --> 0:19:08.760 it is laced with a huge sense of unselfishness. Um, 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:12.560 take us to where, take our listeners to where this 0:19:12.720 --> 0:19:15.200 personality because this isn't this isn't the norm for a 0:19:15.240 --> 0:19:17.399 lot of people. They don't want to be the villain. 0:19:17.760 --> 0:19:22.119 You are the Emily, I believe amongst most people. UM, 0:19:22.680 --> 0:19:26.080 take us to where the myths, which is this w 0:19:26.080 --> 0:19:29.920 W E personality, this extreme personality, this business or villain. 0:19:30.240 --> 0:19:34.240 Take us to how that is born and birth and 0:19:34.240 --> 0:19:36.320 how all of a sudden you have the insight like whoa, 0:19:36.440 --> 0:19:42.480 this is something that I can utilize to achieve a goal. So, UM, 0:19:42.720 --> 0:19:46.879 I tried out for the Real World back in gosh, 0:19:46.920 --> 0:19:54.399 it had been August of I would say, so a 0:19:54.480 --> 0:19:58.720 knowledge at this point right theta kai at Miami University 0:19:58.800 --> 0:20:02.000 of Ohio, and I was in my I was in 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:05.520 my college fraternity in my room, and I was watching 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:08.720 The Real World New Orleans, and a commercial came on 0:20:08.800 --> 0:20:10.760 and said, hey, do you want to try out for 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:14.760 the Real World? Now? Back then, it was The Real World, Survivor, 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:18.119 Big Brother, Fear Factor. That's it. Those were all the 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:20.240 and and that. That was all the reality shows that 0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:23.160 were out there. Now everyone has a reality show YouTube. 0:20:23.240 --> 0:20:25.399 There was no YouTube. There was no there was There 0:20:25.480 --> 0:20:28.679 was barely internet. There was no my Space, no Instagram, 0:20:28.720 --> 0:20:31.879 no Twitter, no social media, no nothing. Okay, we didn't 0:20:31.880 --> 0:20:34.120 have camera phones back then. By the way, you want 0:20:34.160 --> 0:20:36.880 to take something, it was a VHS tape on your shoulder. 0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:41.480 So um, so it said try out. And so, you like, 0:20:41.640 --> 0:20:43.919 I would film a lot of stuff with my handheld 0:20:44.440 --> 0:20:49.400 VHS camera, always filming our parties, filming, you know whatever. 0:20:49.840 --> 0:20:52.080 And so I had a lot of tapes. So I 0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:54.880 edited up a tape. And by the way, editing, I'm 0:20:54.880 --> 0:20:58.080 not talking about going on my my my Apple like 0:20:58.400 --> 0:21:02.439 computer and doing it on you know whatever, you know 0:21:02.720 --> 0:21:05.280 program you had. We didn't have that note. I used 0:21:05.320 --> 0:21:10.359 a VHS um like uh, a VHS tape recorder and 0:21:10.400 --> 0:21:14.919 then my camera. I inserted it into one into my 0:21:15.040 --> 0:21:18.159 VHS tape and you would press record on it and 0:21:18.160 --> 0:21:20.680 then press play and then stop and then fast forward 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:23.240 it and then you'd have like little squiggles in between. 0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:26.040 I didn't It was the worst editing job you could 0:21:26.040 --> 0:21:29.639 possibly think of, but it worked. I sent in a 0:21:29.840 --> 0:21:32.479 like a two minute tape of just who I was, 0:21:32.720 --> 0:21:35.760 sit down interview, a little bit of splicing in between 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:38.760 of things that I've done. I put pictures on the 0:21:39.359 --> 0:21:43.040 on the cover of of the envelope of just me 0:21:43.200 --> 0:21:45.800 with all my friends, me with my family, and me 0:21:45.880 --> 0:21:48.080 with a bunch of girls, like whatever it was, you 0:21:48.080 --> 0:21:51.280