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Speaker 1: This is How Men Think with growthsl and Gavin de

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Speaker 1: Grab and I Hear Radio Podcast. Welcome to another episode

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Speaker 1: of How Men Think Podcast. We do not have the

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Speaker 1: very lovable Mr Gavin DeGraw today, but we do have

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Speaker 1: We also don't have Rich Dmitria Ryan but filling their place.

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Speaker 1: This guy. I've been reading up a ton on him.

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Speaker 1: I'm a huge fan from what I've gained in the

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Speaker 1: knowledge of reading him, what he's done with his life,

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Speaker 1: his journey, and obviously his success speaks for himself. But

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Speaker 1: we have and I'm gonna grant you the esteemed privilege

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Speaker 1: of co host of How Men Think. Mr Mike mazzan

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Speaker 1: in with us. Mike, what's that buddy? Hey, I'm doing

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Speaker 1: very very good. I see how important I am to

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Speaker 1: you guys. When Gavin DeGraw doesn't want to show up

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Speaker 1: and no one else wants to show up, but you

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Speaker 1: know what, we'll make this the best episode that has

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Speaker 1: ever been created. And literally they'll be so mad that

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Speaker 1: they were not involved with this podcast. See. Here's the

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Speaker 1: thing that is, here's the thing. I have to say

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Speaker 1: that they didn't show up, but really, we gave them

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Speaker 1: the boot so that we could have you. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: but they it's a good trade. It's a solid trade.

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Speaker 1: It's a solid trade. They tune in. They're big fans

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Speaker 1: of the show as well as participants in the show,

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Speaker 1: so they're always listening. So I gotta give them a

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Speaker 1: shout out at home and make them feel good. But really, Tori,

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Speaker 1: our producer, Tor and I, we just devised and hatch

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Speaker 1: this little plan, like I get these guys out of

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Speaker 1: here so we can get the MSS in here all

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Speaker 1: by ourselves, all by ourselves. Dude, dude, I wanna. I'm

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Speaker 1: I'm so fascinated by your story. Most people will know

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Speaker 1: you from one of two things, from either reality TV

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Speaker 1: or mostly from your success as a w w E

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Speaker 1: absolute superstar. You have literally one everything there is to

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Speaker 1: win in the w w E that's true, and which

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Speaker 1: is when is it you? It's funny you see you

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Speaker 1: say that I'm more known for w w E like

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Speaker 1: in two thousand five. Was not the case. Like when

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Speaker 1: I got signed to w w E in two thousand five, six,

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Speaker 1: like five challenges. I was like on every reality show,

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Speaker 1: I would go, it was always the real world, always

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Speaker 1: the real world. And then I would say probably in yeah,

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Speaker 1: two eleven twelve, that's when it started changing to more

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Speaker 1: Because two thousand ten you headline was it WrestleMania, you

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Speaker 1: headline Wrestling and WrestleMania twenty seven against John Cena, the

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Speaker 1: Rock comes out, helps you retain my title as a

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Speaker 1: bad guy in the main event. To win and retain

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Speaker 1: the w w E Championship, it's absolutely unheard of. It

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Speaker 1: just does not happen in w w E ever, and

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Speaker 1: it happened that year, and it was luckily me of

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Speaker 1: all people, and uh, it's one of the shining moments

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Speaker 1: winning that is that's the pinnacle of sports entertainment, right,

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Speaker 1: WrestleMania in the main event, that's where it's at. UM.

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Speaker 1: So I want to get to this. So you are

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Speaker 1: because for our listeners, they see you, they see this

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Speaker 1: ultimate success, and they don't see it and just see

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Speaker 1: it in you. They'll see it in many people, especially

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Speaker 1: on social media, on TV wherever. You see people's ultimate success,

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Speaker 1: the grind and the rise to that success. So I

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Speaker 1: want to go back to the beginning for you, I

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Speaker 1: mean reading through your bio. In high school, you were

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Speaker 1: basketball and track and field, weren't you. I was in basketball,

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Speaker 1: I just loved competition. I loved being involved, uh in

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Speaker 1: You didn't like so that's the thing for me. I'm like, Wow,

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Speaker 1: to stay in shape for baseball and basketball. That's that

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Speaker 1: just so I can stay in shape. And I liked

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Speaker 1: with basketball. It's actually a funny story. The reason why

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Speaker 1: my junior year, I got cut from the team. How

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Speaker 1: I get all my miss from. I go home and

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Speaker 1: it's oh, my dad, I'm my dad. I like, I

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Speaker 1: don't understand how I got cut. He goes, Oh, I

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Speaker 1: He goes, Oh, I saw the coach out. I almost

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Speaker 1: And so that so not basketball is in the season

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Speaker 1: always see the wrestlers like shaving weight, not eating so

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Speaker 1: my senior year, that coach got fired. So I went

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Speaker 1: like my junior year I didn't make a team because

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Speaker 1: like you say that story like okay, yeah, your dad

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Speaker 1: I could be a w W superstar. I was a

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Speaker 1: huge fan growing up. Like I loved Ultimate Warrior. I

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Speaker 1: Well there's Spaceship with the rock pit fuel. I mean

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Speaker 1: I could recite that promo verbatim. And so I was

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Speaker 1: So when everyone else on the RAILAD was like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: There was an independent wrestling school called a Pro Wrestling

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Speaker 1: that was associated with w w E. They weren't signed

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Speaker 1: Remember him? Here it was there was Puck and there

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Speaker 1: and he was basically showing the world what it was

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Speaker 1: something I don't I don't think many people actually talk

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Speaker 1: Real world is basically kind of like leaving your parents,

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Speaker 1: I utilized that saying, Okay, I can speak in front

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Speaker 1: So that's kind of where that all came about. Because

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Speaker 1: friends were like, what's gonna stand you out? And I

429
00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,520
Speaker 1: was like, I don't know, but I'm gonna make this show.

430
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get on this show. And so after the

431
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,639
Speaker 1: in person interview I'll never forget. I was trying to

432
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:25,959
Speaker 1: figure out how people cry on TV because I was like,

433
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:30,000
Speaker 1: why are people always crying on TV? This is so stupid,

434
00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:34,560
Speaker 1: so annoying. After that interview, I understood finally, I was like,

435
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: oh wow, this is how people Actually, this is what

436
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 1: people cry, because they just they dig into you. They

437
00:23:40,560 --> 00:23:42,959
Speaker 1: want to talk about things that that you don't normally

438
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,199
Speaker 1: talk about. Like my parents got a divorce when I

439
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,840
Speaker 1: was in fifth grade. It never affected me. I looked

440
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 1: at it like two Christmas is two birthdays. But they

441
00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 1: started in going in depth with it, saying like, you know,

442
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,240
Speaker 1: how do you think that affected your father, How did

443
00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,919
Speaker 1: that affect your mother? How did it affect you? And

444
00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 1: then you start thinking about these things and you go, well,

445
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,200
Speaker 1: I don't know, like, and then you start thinking about

446
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,320
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh, wow, this is how they get

447
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,919
Speaker 1: people to like cheer up a little bit. Now I

448
00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:13,960
Speaker 1: didn't cry, but um, finally, uh they called me again.

449
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 1: And now, by the way, this is August all the

450
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:20,000
Speaker 1: way until December. This is how this is all taking place.

451
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 1: And now I don't know if I'm making the show

452
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 1: or not. But finally they call and say, hey, we're

453
00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 1: gonna put you with five other people in Palm Springs

454
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:34,520
Speaker 1: and only uh thirteen of you are going to make

455
00:24:34,560 --> 00:24:38,640
Speaker 1: it to either the Real World or road Rules. And

456
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,560
Speaker 1: so they were like, well, which one would you rather

457
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:42,240
Speaker 1: be in? And I was like, oh, I'd much rather

458
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 1: be on the real world and then I'll do the

459
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 1: challenges and so that would be like doing road Rules

460
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:49,280
Speaker 1: until I'd have the real world and road Rules and

461
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,160
Speaker 1: it'd be great. And so uh so finally I went

462
00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 1: to Palm Springs. And when I went there, it was

463
00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: the fakest thing I've ever seen in my life. Everyone

464
00:24:58,119 --> 00:24:59,919
Speaker 1: was like as soon as you meet somebody, people were

465
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: talking about like, uh, like whether they how how are

466
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: they politically? Uh, do they believe in abortion or do

467
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: they believe in uh you know, it was just it

468
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 1: was things you would never talk to about with people

469
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:18,359
Speaker 1: and now and it wasn't the show being fake, it

470
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: was the people being fake. But then we were there

471
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,439
Speaker 1: for four days. So after the second day, people started

472
00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:29,680
Speaker 1: getting real and people started acting how they normally would act.

473
00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:32,960
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, wow, this is what it's like.

474
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 1: Because when I first got there, I was like, God,

475
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: this is this sucks, like this isn't this isn't that fun.

476
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 1: But then after after two days, I was like, Wow,

477
00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 1: this is something I need in my life, Like this

478
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:47,440
Speaker 1: can teach me a lot about, you know, life. Because

479
00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: I was from Parmer, Ohio, I never I never ventured

480
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:53,080
Speaker 1: anywhere like, I never I never went to like New

481
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 1: York City or l A like, but I always wanted to.

482
00:25:57,119 --> 00:26:00,640
Speaker 1: And so this was my prospect of that. What's that.

483
00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: I love the dreamer aspect of that because I'm from

484
00:26:03,520 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: a small rural community up in Canada as well. And

485
00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:09,480
Speaker 1: you have to have that dreamer aspect of that. The

486
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 1: world is bigger than the place you currently live, yeah,

487
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: and you have to have the confidence to know that

488
00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,640
Speaker 1: you can actually do it, that you that. So everyone

489
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:20,760
Speaker 1: in my fraternity I was like, why are you trying out.

490
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: Why why this Now? Granted they were still supportive, but

491
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 1: they were kind of in denial that I was gonna

492
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: make it. In my mind, I was making it. And

493
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: it was funny because after the third after the third interview,

494
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: they started believing. They were like, dude, I think I

495
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 1: might try out, And so the next year everyone was

496
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,600
Speaker 1: like trying out, you know, And it was funny. And Uh,

497
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: I'll never forget. When I first got casted, I didn't

498
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: know if I was going on the real world or

499
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,440
Speaker 1: if I was gonna be on road rules. They wouldn't

500
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 1: tell me. So I flew to Staten Island and they

501
00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:55,119
Speaker 1: gave me a pager. Yes back then, we had pagers,

502
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: and they said, you're gonna get a page and you're

503
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: gonna have to call this number and it's gonna tell

504
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: you where to go. So I went on this on

505
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: the Saten Island ferry. Uh is where my PAGEOT told

506
00:27:06,560 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 1: me to go. So I get I get on the

507
00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,840
Speaker 1: ferry and I first meet up with I believe it

508
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 1: was coral Uh and Uh, we have no idea where

509
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:17,560
Speaker 1: we're going. We don't know if we're gonna see the

510
00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 1: RV for being on rodals or We're gonna go into

511
00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,439
Speaker 1: a house and be on the Real World. And it

512
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 1: took me to Hudson and uh, that was the Real

513
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:29,679
Speaker 1: World house. And I was on the tenth season of

514
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 1: the Real World back to New York. Was picked seven

515
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 1: strangers picked to live in a house. And it was

516
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 1: a true dream come true. Now to go all the

517
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: way back a half hour before where you asked me,

518
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: where did the miss come from? The miss on the

519
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: Real World? The reason I created the miss on the

520
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:51,639
Speaker 1: Real World was because I I wasn't comfortable. I hadn't

521
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 1: I was saying the wrong things to everyone. I was

522
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:57,399
Speaker 1: bumping I was bumping heads with everyone in the house.

523
00:27:57,520 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: Nobody liked me, and I wasn't used to that because

524
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 1: I used to being the person that everybody liked, believe

525
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: it or not. Uh and uh, I just didn't understand.

526
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:10,240
Speaker 1: And I was saying the wrong things, doing the wrong things.

527
00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,239
Speaker 1: You know. But I was like a sponge like I

528
00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: wanted to learn. I wanted to know about, you know,

529
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,120
Speaker 1: these people and where they're from and what they're like,

530
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: and what their lives were like and what they've been

531
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,800
Speaker 1: through and and nobody was giving me a chance until

532
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,800
Speaker 1: I started creating a character called the Miss, and the

533
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:30,600
Speaker 1: Miss didn't care what you thought. The Miss just said

534
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 1: exactly what was in his head and exactly what was

535
00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: on his mind. And normally I was drunk at the time,

536
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: but everyone started liking the Miss, everyone started respecting the Miss,

537
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden, my roommates, my castmates, were

538
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: starting to tell me like, Hey, do the miss, Hey

539
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,360
Speaker 1: do the miss? Hey do them is? And I was like,

540
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:52,080
Speaker 1: all right, all right, all right, I'll do the Miss.

541
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:53,360
Speaker 1: I'll do the Miss. I'll do the Miss. So the

542
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: Miss was my coping mechanism for being on the real

543
00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: world and not being comfortable in an area where I

544
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: was at. And once I got off the real world,

545
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,520
Speaker 1: I started thinking, like what do I want to do now,

546
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 1: Like I'll never forget. I went home to Parma, Ohio,

547
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: and I looked myself in the mirror, and I said,

548
00:29:11,680 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 1: what do you want to do with your life? And

549
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 1: on my shelf was a Rock was the Rock action

550
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: figure that my castimates got me. And I looked at

551
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: that and I go, I want to be a w

552
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,120
Speaker 1: W superstar. So I go over to my computer. I

553
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,680
Speaker 1: go on Yahoo and I look up an independent wrestling school.

554
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,720
Speaker 1: Found one in in Los Angeles, and from then on,

555
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: I set my goal. I sacrificed. I was in pain

556
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: all the time at my independent wrestling school I had,

557
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: I was there was there were moments of doubt. There

558
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,720
Speaker 1: were moments where I didn't believe. There are moments was like, well,

559
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 1: what am I gonna do with the rest of my life?

560
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:51,959
Speaker 1: But I kept going and kept fighting, and kept and

561
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: kept doing it. Like my first month of wrestling school,

562
00:29:54,920 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: I broke my ankle and it was the only time

563
00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: I've ever broken anything in in in my career of wrestling.

564
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,480
Speaker 1: But imagine going and into wrestling school your first month,

565
00:30:04,600 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 1: you break something and you're out for two months. But

566
00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 1: I said, you know what, this is just a minor setback.

567
00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: I used that time to find a trainer, find a

568
00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: nutritionist that can get me in shape while still having

569
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: a broken ankle, but also going to acting school, improv school,

570
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 1: and still doing challenges. Because I wanted to get my

571
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: name out there, I developed a T shirt line that

572
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: people could go on. You know now you can get

573
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 1: T shirts everywhere. Back then I was I was the

574
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 1: first real worlder to put his name on a T

575
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,680
Speaker 1: shirt and have a logo, and people would I would

576
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 1: literally be anyone that has those original miss T Miss

577
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:44,880
Speaker 1: T shirts, like I was packing those in. I made

578
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 1: a website where you could buy them, and I was

579
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 1: the person packing it. I would go to the post

580
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 1: office every day without like a hundred shirts sending them

581
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: out like I did everything I possibly could to get

582
00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: w w e's attention. And uhh, And here's another thing.

583
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: When I was on the Real World and doing challenges,

584
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: I tried out for Tough Enough season two and they

585
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 1: said I wasn't allowed to try out because I was

586
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: already on MTV. Back then, you weren't allowed to be

587
00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: on two different reality shows. You could only be on one.

588
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,760
Speaker 1: And MTV wouldn't allow me to be on Tough Enough

589
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: until Tough Enough went to the c W where it

590
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 1: was part of SmackDown. That was the first time that

591
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: I was able to try out for Tough Enough. And

592
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: I'll never forget. I was on the independent wrestling scene

593
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 1: and I knew that if you go on Tough Enough,

594
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: it's not looked it's like frowned upon. And as a

595
00:31:37,160 --> 00:31:39,920
Speaker 1: w w E town like w W talent, like wrestlers,

596
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: real wrestlers frowned upon it because you're cheating. You didn't.

597
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: You didn't like go to the territories. You didn't. You didn't.

598
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,520
Speaker 1: You weren't an independent wrestling scene. You weren't developing your

599
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: skills and making it on your own. You were used

600
00:31:54,120 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 1: using a reality show to get a contract that was

601
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: bigger than half of the the w w WE superstars

602
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 1: is contracting. So I remember calling a guy that I

603
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: met and I asked him, I said, Hey, should I

604
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: do this? And his name was Simon Dean and uh

605
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:16,200
Speaker 1: and the guy said, dude, you have a chance and

606
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: making a million dollars if you win this thing. It's

607
00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: a no brainer. I go yes, But I wan't respect

608
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 1: and and and in my mind I didn't think about

609
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,120
Speaker 1: this like I didn't. I wasn't thinking about the money.

610
00:32:27,360 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: I was thinking about the longevity of my career, because

611
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: I know when people from tough enough go into w

612
00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: w E, they don't make it. They don't make it

613
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: because whether back then, it was a whole different mindset,

614
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 1: whole different mentality in the locker room, and you were

615
00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,440
Speaker 1: shipped out like you were you were you were cast

616
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: aside as an outcast, and nobody wanted you there. And

617
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 1: so in w w E, you have to be wanted there.

618
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: So it was a million dollar tough Enough and I

619
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: was asking Simon Dean if I should do this, and

620
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: he's like, dude, you have a chance. When a million dollars,

621
00:33:02,640 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 1: that's it's it's a no brainer. Like who cares what

622
00:33:05,120 --> 00:33:08,600
Speaker 1: everyone else thinks? It doesn't matter what other superstars take now,

623
00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: this is his mentality. Uh and a lot of other

624
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,760
Speaker 1: I knew going in to Tough Enough, I was gonna

625
00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: have hell to pay. But it was my way in

626
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: the door to get to w W eight. And if

627
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 1: you have if you have even an inch of that

628
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 1: door open, you need to open it wide open. You

629
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: need to just open that door as far as you

630
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,760
Speaker 1: possibly can. Dude, I love it that story. It's inspiring.

631
00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 1: You're you're not You're a dreamer and a doer, and

632
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 1: I think you have to be both in order to

633
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: achieve success. You have to have a massive dream and

634
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: then you have to take action. And you have done

635
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: both of those. So I want to get into more

636
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 1: of this, and also I want to get into your

637
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 1: your personal success, because that's career success that we've seen

638
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:51,840
Speaker 1: for you, but also you are a husband and a father,

639
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: a family man. I want to get into a little

640
00:33:53,840 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: bit of that right after this quick break back from

641
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:10,719
Speaker 1: break with Mike Zanan w w superstar achiever, dude of

642
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Speaker 1: all things in the world. Um, I love I love

643
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Speaker 1: your story, I love your hustle. I love people that

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00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,520
Speaker 1: one when I listen to your story. I love people

645
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Speaker 1: that create circumstance in the world. And I always say

646
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: that to two people, to my friends, people in my community.

647
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Speaker 1: Create the life you want. And you're literally a living

648
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,359
Speaker 1: example of that. You're in in university. You dropped out

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Speaker 1: of that to pursue. You hustled and literally managed created

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00:34:36,160 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 1: the opportunity on real world. You use that to your

651
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Speaker 1: advantage to literally create a w w E career. Um,

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Speaker 1: I just think you're a shining example of somebody that

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Speaker 1: creates circumstance in the world. Um. So I want to

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Speaker 1: get funny, like you say that. It's like with w

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Speaker 1: w E, Like I look at it and I still

656
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Speaker 1: think I'm not done. Like I'm still not where I

657
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Speaker 1: want to be unless I am the poster child of

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Speaker 1: w w E. I'm hosting every single show out there.

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00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: I'm an animation. Like I look at the Rocks career

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00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,719
Speaker 1: and it's like my God and now now even John Cena,

661
00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: Like they are the biggest movie stars out there right now,

662
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,920
Speaker 1: Like they put butts in seats, people will pay tickets

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Speaker 1: to see them in whatever movie they are, whatever they're doing,

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Speaker 1: like you want to know what it is that they're doing. Like, uh,

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Speaker 1: now I'm a I'm the new host of a show

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Speaker 1: called Cannonball on USA that's gonna come out this summer.

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00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: And I was like, wow, now I'm hosting something. What

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Speaker 1: else can I do? And then you know there's Miss

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Speaker 1: and Mrs. My own reality show. And when I got

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Speaker 1: miss and when when when Miss and Mrs Was presented

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Speaker 1: to me, I said, I don't think I want to

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Speaker 1: do this. And the reason I said I didn't I

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00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 1: didn't think I wanted to do this was because when

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Speaker 1: you were back in the day, when you were on

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Speaker 1: a reality show, you were the worst thing on TV,

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Speaker 1: Like no one respected you. And when I was on

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Speaker 1: the real world, I had no respect. I had to

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Speaker 1: fight for everything I got. Nowadays, everything is a realit.

679
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:03,279
Speaker 1: They show Instagram's a reality show, YouTube's a reality show.

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00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: Everyone knows everyone's life. But back then, you weren't allowed

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Speaker 1: to be on any of that stuff. So I was

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Speaker 1: frowned upon, so I always have that stigma. Like I

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Speaker 1: loved being on the real world. I love everything the

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Speaker 1: real world gave to me. I think MTV and Beauty

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Speaker 1: Murray for putting me on those shows, like, I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: change anything, but I can't. I'm not gonna lie to

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Speaker 1: you and say I was thrown. I was like, I

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Speaker 1: don't know if I want to do miss and misses

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00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: because of the real world, like the stigma that you

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Speaker 1: get when you're on reality. I thought to get rid

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Speaker 1: of that that reality stigma and hopefully make it cool

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Speaker 1: to be on reality. And then I realized I was like,

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Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna do it because I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: do what I want to do. It's something that I think.

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Speaker 1: My family is interesting, my wife and my my dynamic

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Speaker 1: is amazing. My daughters are absolutely incredible. They're the best

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Speaker 1: things I've ever done in my entire life. And I

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Speaker 1: want to I want to show that, like I want

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Speaker 1: to show what it is to be a hard working father,

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Speaker 1: but not only that, be a hard worker in w

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Speaker 1: w E and in in hosting whatever I have to host,

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00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 1: whether it's Cannonball or an MTV reunion show, whatever it

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Speaker 1: may be you know that I'm hosting. I want to

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Speaker 1: make sure that people know, like, you can do it all.

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00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: You can be a great father, but you can also

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Speaker 1: do the job that you want to do and the

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Speaker 1: dreams that you want to pursue. Yes, I love it.

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Speaker 1: And the same goes for a mother, same thing for

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Speaker 1: a mother. You don't have to sacrifice personal or career

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Speaker 1: for the other. You can achieve both. My wife is

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Speaker 1: is living proof. She's still with w w E along

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Speaker 1: like she was a w w E superstar as well.

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Speaker 1: That's how we kind of met. And uh, I'll never

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Speaker 1: forget when she first walked in. I was hosting a

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Speaker 1: show called the deva search for w w E and

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Speaker 1: it's like finding the next w w E, the woman's

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Speaker 1: w w E superstar. And she walked in and I

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Speaker 1: was My mouth was to the floor because she was

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Speaker 1: the most beautiful person I've ever seen. And then hearing

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Speaker 1: her talk, she didn't speak English, she only spoke French,

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Speaker 1: so I didn't even understand her the first year talking

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Speaker 1: to her, and uh, she had me at at right away.

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Speaker 1: And um, and you know we've created this family and

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Speaker 1: now watching her with our daughters, she hasn't stopped working,

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Speaker 1: Like we're still filming Miss and Misses and making it

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Speaker 1: the most entertaining, funny show that a family can watch

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Speaker 1: each and every every every week. I mean, if you

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Speaker 1: haven't seen it, definitely go watch Miss and Mrs on

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Speaker 1: demand or on USA Network dot Com. I believe it's

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Speaker 1: still on there and Hulu has it as well. Um

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Speaker 1: you definitely want to, Uh definitely don't want to do that? Awesome?

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Speaker 1: UM So can I ask you this? And I ask

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Speaker 1: you this out of one appreciation and to curiosity for myself, Sure,

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Speaker 1: I believe that w w E superstars are better at

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00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 1: using their platform and creating other opportunities outside of their

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Speaker 1: profession or sport than any other professional sport out there.

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Speaker 1: Better than way, better than hockey players, better than football players,

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Speaker 1: better than basketball players, better than baseball players, um, race

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Speaker 1: car drivers. It's almost unfair though, by saying that, because

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Speaker 1: we we utilize our audience. We we tell stories in

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00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,799
Speaker 1: in hockey, in basketball, and baseball, like when you're out

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Speaker 1: in the court, you're out on the ring the rink,

743
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 1: like you're not trying to create a story, you're trying

744
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,960
Speaker 1: to win at all costs. We we drive our w

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Speaker 1: w E is all about story, larger than life characters

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Speaker 1: and telling an incredible story, whether it's in the ring

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Speaker 1: or outside the ring. And that's what we learned. Uh,

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00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 1: you know, we're performers, like we only get one take.

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Speaker 1: We are alive, so if we fumble a word or

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Speaker 1: stumble on something or get lost out there, like you're

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Speaker 1: witnessing it. So I feel like that's a reason that

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00:40:01,320 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 1: that we excel at at almost everything because w W

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Speaker 1: E is athletics, it's it's it's entertainment, it's it's Hollywood,

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00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: it's acting, it's it's entertaining, you know what I mean.

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00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,879
Speaker 1: It's all these different things all wrapped up into one.

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Speaker 1: So when you put us in, say a movie like

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00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 1: I'll never forget when I first did The Marine, I

758
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:24,759
Speaker 1: was a lead in a movie and I was like,

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00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:28,280
Speaker 1: oh my god. And the director couldn't believe the work

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Speaker 1: ethic of of of me. And I was like, well,

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Speaker 1: isn't everyone liked it? He goes absolutely not, because I

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Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that, like this whole movie was

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Speaker 1: derived was was revolving around my acting ability and my

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Speaker 1: Thank goodness, I you I spent so much time in

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Speaker 1: acting school because it led me to where I am

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Speaker 1: today and where I was with Marine three. So it's

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00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 1: it's it's one of those things, like you know, we

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Speaker 1: are incredibly hard working. We never take days off. We

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Speaker 1: we we go year round. We don't make excuses if

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Speaker 1: we we Sometimes we wrestle injured. I'm not saying hurt,

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00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: I'm saying injured. Whether it's a bruise, whether it's a sprain,

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00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: you know, we'll still go full force because that's the

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Speaker 1: type of dedication it needs for our w w E audience.

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00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 1: These people pay a lot of money, hard earn money

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00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 1: for their tickets, and we want to give them the

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00:41:23,680 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: show that they want and the show that they deserve.

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Speaker 1: And w w E fans, I've been to a couple events. Um,

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00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: because I also grew up loving it. I grew up

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00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: loving it. My mom never let us watch it, but

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00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,520
Speaker 1: because she thought it was too violent, and then her

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00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: son goes into professional hockey. We're fighting is legal, um Um.

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00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,359
Speaker 1: W w E fans are as rapid of fans as

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00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 1: any sport or even more intense they are. Yeah, I

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00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: mean they're incredible. I mean if if we if we

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00:41:53,719 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 1: say something is cool, our w w E audience will

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00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,600
Speaker 1: literally say it's cool, uh and so, or if we

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00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: say something terrible we at the same instance, like art,

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00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:08,720
Speaker 1: we have a very, very um loyal fan base. And

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00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,480
Speaker 1: that's the incredible part about it. Whether they hate me

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00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 1: or they love me, they are incredibly loyal to me.

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00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:18,720
Speaker 1: I love it, my friend, UM love the topic for loyalty.

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00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 1: I just love to hear how being a family man, um,

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00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,400
Speaker 1: how that feels to you because you've had so much success.

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00:42:27,440 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 1: I've had success in my career. I'm not yet a father,

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00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: but like, what is a being a husband and a

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00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: family man like to you? And in relation or perspective

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00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: to your career, what's that dance? Like hardest thing I've

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00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: ever done in my life, really being a dad one

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Speaker 1: hundred like to all like and I couldn't imagine if

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Speaker 1: I was a single dad or to any single mother

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00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:56,880
Speaker 1: out there, like, I don't know how they do it.

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00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,759
Speaker 1: My wife is the rock of this family and she

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00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 1: keeps us all together and going and being a dad

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00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:10,360
Speaker 1: is the hardest thing because you worry all the time,

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00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,040
Speaker 1: like you want to be like you see you know,

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00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:16,920
Speaker 1: like say my daughter Monroe, she's too she jumps on everything,

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00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: she tries to crawl on everything, like you keep her

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00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 1: out of your vision for even a second. She's into

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00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,279
Speaker 1: something and you don't know what is and and you're

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00:43:25,320 --> 00:43:27,160
Speaker 1: always like, oh my god, what will happen? But you

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Speaker 1: also want to guide them, you want to teach them,

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00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,880
Speaker 1: you want to make sure that that that they're given

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00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,839
Speaker 1: everything that maybe you didn't have as a kid. And

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00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: and these are all things that I think every parent

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Speaker 1: goes through. And it's it's the toughest thing I've ever done.

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00:43:42,560 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 1: And I've been choke slammed by the Undertaker, you know,

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00:43:47,160 --> 00:43:51,960
Speaker 1: So I mean undertaker. Yeah, so I mean like I

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00:43:52,320 --> 00:43:55,479
Speaker 1: uh and but I'll tell you what, it's the most

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00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 1: rewarding thing I've ever done. To see my daughter's face

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00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: when she is be when whenever I leave and she

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00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: goes dad da dad da dad dad hug and then

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00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 1: she just gives me a hug. It's it warms my heart, like, uh,

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00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 1: in my heart. I didn't know there was that much

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00:44:12,280 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: love there until you know, you think it's there with

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00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: your wife like you think. But once you have a daughter,

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Speaker 1: and I don't know what it's like to have a son.

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00:44:21,440 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 1: I have two daughters. But once you have a daughter,

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Speaker 1: and then your second daughter like it just fills your

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00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 1: heart with so much love, and you just want to

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00:44:30,080 --> 00:44:32,959
Speaker 1: make sure that you protect them and you give them

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00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 1: everything they could possibly want. You always want to make

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00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: them smile when they cry, and you try to use

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00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: all these tricks to stop them from crying, and it's

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00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 1: not working. It breaks your heart and nothing was ever

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00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:48,719
Speaker 1: able to break my heart. Um, and my daughter, if

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00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:52,280
Speaker 1: I hear her like just cry for even a split second,

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Speaker 1: it just breaks me. Dude. I have the ultimate respect

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00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,200
Speaker 1: for that. I admire. I admire anybody who's in a

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Speaker 1: parent It's it's to me, I think the ultimate dream

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00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 1: in my life one to get married and to to

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00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:07,360
Speaker 1: to have life beyond my own and serve and impact

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00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: that life. So I admire you as a parent. I

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00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,000
Speaker 1: also admire the the dance and the walk that you

844
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: have done in your life as being a creator of circumstance,

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00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: achieving your own career aspirations and dreams, and making the

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00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:23,799
Speaker 1: way for yourself. And also, and even more importantly, as

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00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: you stated, being fulfilled and happy in a loving relationship

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00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 1: and being a family man. You are a shining example,

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00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: my friend. That's why I was so excited for this

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00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 1: interview because some a lot of people believe you can

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00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,879
Speaker 1: have one or the other. I can be successful at

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00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: the cost of my um personal relationship, or I can

853
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: have a great personal relationship at the cost of my

854
00:45:44,080 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: career success and desires and aspirations and your living proof

855
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 1: that that. But it's all It's all dedication, you know

856
00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,080
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, I am a dedicated husband and

857
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,120
Speaker 1: a dedicated father. No matter how many things I am

858
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,080
Speaker 1: doing at work. When I am home, I am there.

859
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: I am present. I'm not on my phone. I'm not

860
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: instagramming or twittering, you know, I am. I am literally

861
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 1: there and I'm present, and I am with my family

862
00:46:08,719 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: as much as humanly possible. And trust me, as a

863
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: w W superstar, we travel all over the world. Our

864
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,279
Speaker 1: seasons never end. And not only am I doing w

865
00:46:16,280 --> 00:46:18,800
Speaker 1: W E, but I also have Cannonball, which I'm hosting.

866
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: I have miss and Missus which I am my wife

867
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: and I are executive producer, and we want to make

868
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,880
Speaker 1: sure that we are giving a television show that audiences

869
00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,200
Speaker 1: are going to love and enjoy. And on top of that,

870
00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: I'm still trying to be bigger and better at everything

871
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,800
Speaker 1: that I am doing. Yeah, I love it. Always happy,

872
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: never satisfied. I love the hustle, my friend. Exactly, where

873
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:42,160
Speaker 1: can people find you? Where can our community are listeners

874
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:44,080
Speaker 1: that are inspired by you? Where can they connect with you?

875
00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 1: And where do you spend most of your your off time?

876
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: The time when you're there is no off time. But

877
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: you can find me on Instagram at at Mike them

878
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: Is as well as Twitter at Mike the m Is,

879
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: and you can see me on the USA Network, uh

880
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:02,160
Speaker 1: for miss and Missus. It's my wife's and my family

881
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,040
Speaker 1: reality show. If you want something for the whole family

882
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:07,080
Speaker 1: that you can laugh at, that you can have fun with,

883
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,919
Speaker 1: then you definitely don't want to miss this show. And

884
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 1: also Cannonball is a new show. It's the biggest, wettest

885
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 1: and wildest water sports competition that you will ever see.

886
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,400
Speaker 1: It's funny, it's fun I'm the host of it, and

887
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,600
Speaker 1: it comes out this summer on the USA Network as well.

888
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,879
Speaker 1: And then you can also find me on SmackDown Friday night,

889
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 1: eight o'clock on Fox. Throwing is awesome. Drowing guys very

890
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 1: much for having me, Um dude, I appreciate you so much.

891
00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 1: Best of best wishes to you, your wife and two daughters.

892
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,239
Speaker 1: Stay safe, stay active, uh, and I can't wait to

893
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 1: see what you do just as a fan, as a

894
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: person transitioning from professional sports into other opportunities. You've been

895
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: a guiding light for me and I'm gonna follow your

896
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: story more. Um. And also, I just want to say

897
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: I've always thought it was the coolest thing ever, the

898
00:47:55,880 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 1: inter Continental Champion. I just I love me too. Intercontinental

899
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,520
Speaker 1: title is my favorite title of all time. And it's

900
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,560
Speaker 1: amazing that I am like twenty days away from having

901
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 1: the most days of having the intercontinental title ever in

902
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:14,000
Speaker 1: the history of w w E. And all I need

903
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 1: is like twenty more days. I love it. My man.

904
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: You know what I feel about you. I feel you've

905
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 1: accomplished so much. But dude, I truly feel your your

906
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:23,640
Speaker 1: best days are still ahead. You will do more. And

907
00:48:23,719 --> 00:48:25,680
Speaker 1: three I've got I've got a two year old and

908
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,399
Speaker 1: a seven month old, so my my, my best days

909
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: are definitely ahead of me. It's amazing. What a blessings.

910
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,240
Speaker 1: Man so much. I appreciate you being on the show.

911
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Thank you. It's been awesome, buddy.

912
00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,280
Speaker 1: That was awesome, man. And I just loved Mrs story.

913
00:48:52,560 --> 00:48:56,080
Speaker 1: I love the success career wise, I love what he's

914
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,360
Speaker 1: created career wise, and I also love more the personal

915
00:48:59,360 --> 00:49:02,000
Speaker 1: success that he's had and the father and the relationship

916
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: that he's built and how he's um developed that side

917
00:49:06,040 --> 00:49:09,279
Speaker 1: of his life as his priority. And with that in mind,

918
00:49:09,360 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: we have another special guest to us or with us,

919
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: we have Spike van Briese in here to talk about

920
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:22,600
Speaker 1: a new show about love, about connection, about building a family.

921
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: Um So, Spike, welcome to how Man Think. How are

922
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: you my man? Well, thank you, thanks for having me. Um.

923
00:49:28,680 --> 00:49:31,720
Speaker 1: By the way, your home office slash garage slash bunker

924
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:36,080
Speaker 1: is super clean, super tidy, and I'm like, kind of

925
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,279
Speaker 1: you're probably hoping you actually don't go back to work.

926
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:42,960
Speaker 1: That looks like an amazing workspace. My brother's right. I

927
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 1: can take the new normal this way. Um So, tell

928
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: me a little bit about this new show that's coming out.

929
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 1: So it's um new show on Fox. It's called Labor

930
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 1: of Love. Give myself and all the listeners the low

931
00:49:54,760 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 1: down on why we're tuning into this thing as soon

932
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 1: as it comes out. Well, I think you know, Labor

933
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: of Love was a labor of that was kind of

934
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 1: born out of the question of what is the pathway

935
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: to parenthood? In right, Like, I think that's really where

936
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: it came from. I think, Um, you know, so many

937
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,240
Speaker 1: unscripted series cover being a parent, but if you be

938
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: coming one, they don't discuss that a lot, right like

939
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:21,719
Speaker 1: we we we it's kind of just set out there.

940
00:50:21,760 --> 00:50:23,120
Speaker 1: So what we set out to do is it's kind

941
00:50:23,120 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 1: of a national uh conversation that's shifting, I think, right,

942
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:29,439
Speaker 1: I think there was a place where it was all

943
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 1: dependent upon your marital status and that kind of thing.

944
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,359
Speaker 1: And I think what we really see Labor of Love

945
00:50:34,400 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: being is a first and foremost a show that says

946
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,640
Speaker 1: everyone can have it all, um, and it doesn't matter

947
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 1: your marital status, it doesn't matter, you know, you know

948
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: what what what however you get that to that journey,

949
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: you can do that and a lot of people are

950
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: taking a lot of alternative roads to do this. So

951
00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: we have our leading lady, Christie Katzman, who is just

952
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: an unbelievable UM woman. She is um. She has a

953
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:08,680
Speaker 1: really successful career. Uh she graduated with her masters from

954
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 1: Northwestern UM. Really smart really you know, just just building

955
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:15,400
Speaker 1: a great life. The one thing she found that she

956
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 1: was missing when she turned forty was a baby, right,

957
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:23,440
Speaker 1: so she really set out that that that's something that

958
00:51:23,440 --> 00:51:25,920
Speaker 1: that's something else that she wanted. And I think that

959
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:28,959
Speaker 1: a lot of women, um, and maybe and men too.

960
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 1: Is what we find out in the series is that

961
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: a lot of women come to this point in their

962
00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,279
Speaker 1: life where they go, oh, this, I gotta do this,

963
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: this is this is it's time for me to do

964
00:51:37,040 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: this and um, because because they we have biological clocks

965
00:51:42,480 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 1: and and I think that's really what this show is about,

966
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 1: is about one woman's journey to parenthood, to becoming a mother,

967
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 1: but also to find love. Right. I think that what

968
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,319
Speaker 1: we're trying to say is that we've all seen a

969
00:51:56,320 --> 00:51:59,440
Speaker 1: lot of reality shows where everybody's looking for love, everybody's

970
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 1: looking to you know, get married and proposals and all

971
00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 1: these things. But what we wanted to do was to say,

972
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:10,160
Speaker 1: I think that this show is really saying, let's go

973
00:52:10,200 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 1: out there and find women that want to have it all,

974
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: including love, including a baby, and those two things can

975
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:22,439
Speaker 1: be intermixed. Wow, it's it's yeah, yeah, but it's it's

976
00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,279
Speaker 1: I applaud you because it's a different conversation. Traditionally, they

977
00:52:26,280 --> 00:52:29,799
Speaker 1: would say you have to find love, you know, then

978
00:52:29,840 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 1: you can believe or then you can have the concept

979
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: of a family and and modern life is a little

980
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,160
Speaker 1: bit different. You hear of single people adopting, you hear

981
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: of just there's different ways to becoming a parent. You

982
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: do not have to be traditionally married and in love

983
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: to be a parent, to give love to another human being.

984
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: So I think I think the world is sort of

985
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:57,360
Speaker 1: challenging this quote unquote prerequisite of the traditional marriage to

986
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,600
Speaker 1: be a parent. Um. But I love that you're you

987
00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:04,040
Speaker 1: guys are undertaking a journey to help what was the

988
00:53:04,040 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: young lady's name, Christie Katzman Risty to help Christie with

989
00:53:07,680 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 1: this in the pursuit of this. So what is the

990
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,000
Speaker 1: format of the show? So you have Christie and then

991
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: you have gentlemen that are also in the same stage

992
00:53:14,640 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: of life looking to find love and looking to build

993
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 1: a family exactly. I mean, I think that it's it's

994
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 1: you know, I think that it mirrors a lot of

995
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:27,880
Speaker 1: similar kind of reality shows, dating shows. There's basically one woman,

996
00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: fifteen men. Um Uh, they are all. We've brought them

997
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: to a location, We've kind of set them inside of

998
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:43,240
Speaker 1: this bubble um and we've had them pursue this conversation

999
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 1: along with Will they find will is their chemistry, is

1000
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: there a connection? Is all all those things. But but

1001
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,879
Speaker 1: like I said, the big through line in the conversation

1002
00:53:54,120 --> 00:53:57,919
Speaker 1: is all about parenthood, what that means, about becoming a parent,

1003
00:53:58,000 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: what that means for Christie. But all so, what is

1004
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 1: just absolutely fascinating is what the men started to think

1005
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:08,960
Speaker 1: about and how the men really started to think about

1006
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:13,280
Speaker 1: what becoming a parent is and what that's all about.

1007
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: Can you touch on that, because I I really want

1008
00:54:17,520 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: to be a parent, Like that's that's in my grand

1009
00:54:20,160 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: scheme of things. I did life goals in two thousand nine.

1010
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: I did a life goals thing and the very first

1011
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 1: goal I had was to be a loving husband and

1012
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:31,839
Speaker 1: loving father. That for me is the ultimate destiny in life. Um.

1013
00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:35,040
Speaker 1: But I think there's a stereotype that men aren't as

1014
00:54:35,560 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: family oriented as women and it's more important to women

1015
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: to have kids. But I want to challenge that. I

1016
00:54:41,600 --> 00:54:43,879
Speaker 1: want to say, no, it just depends on the individual.

1017
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:48,319
Speaker 1: It's not gender related, it's individually related. Um. But the

1018
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: men that you're seeing are they like being a family man,

1019
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,920
Speaker 1: being a father, having life beyond themselves their own? Is

1020
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,719
Speaker 1: that one of the paramount values in their life? Or

1021
00:54:59,840 --> 00:55:03,200
Speaker 1: was not when they entered this and it has become that.

1022
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,360
Speaker 1: I mean, yes, one of the what we needed to

1023
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 1: find were men that wanted to become fathers, right So

1024
00:55:10,360 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: setting out that was that was the that was the standard.

1025
00:55:13,120 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: We were like, look, this is you're coming into this show.

1026
00:55:15,760 --> 00:55:17,760
Speaker 1: You know what this is all about. This is about

1027
00:55:17,840 --> 00:55:20,560
Speaker 1: you know what that's about. So, yes, they knew that

1028
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:24,040
Speaker 1: that was part of it. I think what um, what

1029
00:55:24,080 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 1: they found out is that I think, like most of us,

1030
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: we think about yes, like you're saying, I would love

1031
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 1: to become a father, I would love to be a dad,

1032
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:39,759
Speaker 1: I would love all those things. I think that when

1033
00:55:39,800 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 1: you are put into an environment where that is what

1034
00:55:44,680 --> 00:55:47,120
Speaker 1: you start to think about and that is the discussion

1035
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 1: that you're having, what we saw in what You'll see

1036
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 1: is that that conversation starts to get a lot more real,

1037
00:55:56,480 --> 00:55:59,799
Speaker 1: it starts to get a lot bigger. So I think

1038
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 1: that that was you know, one of the things that

1039
00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:04,440
Speaker 1: I said to them while we were interviewing them to

1040
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,319
Speaker 1: come onto the show is because all of them are

1041
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 1: very successful. Right there. We have a Harvard doctor, we

1042
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: have a WOW CEO, a guy from Yale, like just

1043
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:22,719
Speaker 1: really businessmen people that you know, really successful guys that that.

1044
00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,719
Speaker 1: And I said to them, what is it? How much

1045
00:56:26,320 --> 00:56:29,160
Speaker 1: time and effort have you put into your careers, into

1046
00:56:29,440 --> 00:56:32,440
Speaker 1: your education, into your businesses? And they were, you know,

1047
00:56:32,520 --> 00:56:35,320
Speaker 1: it's night and day, right. And then I said how

1048
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:41,279
Speaker 1: much thought have you put into about becoming a father? Right?

1049
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,000
Speaker 1: And that was kind of the cold water moment for them,

1050
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:48,760
Speaker 1: because yes, we think about it. But what they really

1051
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 1: got asked in this journey was to go, this is

1052
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 1: this is all you're thinking about. I'm taking your phones,

1053
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:56,160
Speaker 1: I'm taking to your devices. This is the conversation that

1054
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,400
Speaker 1: you guys are going to be in and it really

1055
00:57:00,120 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: it gets very real, real fast for that. I really

1056
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: I'm excited to tune into this. UM. Just today, Spike,

1057
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 1: just today, I've spoke to two friends, UM, two of

1058
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:18,480
Speaker 1: my best friends, and one found out that they were

1059
00:57:18,520 --> 00:57:22,800
Speaker 1: pregnant today, pregnant with their first UM. As soon as

1060
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: I woke up, I got the text message from my

1061
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:28,440
Speaker 1: buddy and it was just a pregnancy test that said pregnant. UM.

1062
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,320
Speaker 1: So that was just this morning. And I spoke to

1063
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: another friend, a guy that I played a decade with

1064
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 1: professional hockey, and he's awaiting his second baby about a

1065
00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:40,400
Speaker 1: month from now. So it's been the timing of this

1066
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: podcast is amazing. The timing of this show is so relevant.

1067
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:45,200
Speaker 1: And then when I was fishing this morning at my

1068
00:57:45,280 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: lake house and I was fishing, I was just thinking

1069
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 1: about Um, yesterday there was a father and a son

1070
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:54,600
Speaker 1: who pulled into our bay here and this dad was

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00:57:54,640 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: fishing with his son and they caught a fish right

1072
00:57:57,360 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 1: in front of my bay. And I was watching this

1073
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,800
Speaker 1: and I was talking to these guys. And my dad

1074
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 1: grew up taking me fish. I grew up with my

1075
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:06,960
Speaker 1: dad taking me fishing. It was something that I shared

1076
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:10,560
Speaker 1: with my father and I Instagram story that I was like,

1077
00:58:10,640 --> 00:58:13,520
Speaker 1: this is life goals. A father out in the boat

1078
00:58:13,640 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 1: teaching his son, sharing the experience with his son um

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00:58:17,160 --> 00:58:19,680
Speaker 1: to fish, and I was just like, that is life goals.

1080
00:58:19,720 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 1: To me. That is so fulfilling and rewarding. And I

1081
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,520
Speaker 1: so look forward to that day. Um. So I'm excited

1082
00:58:25,560 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 1: to see other men along this same sort of journey,

1083
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 1: and it's starting to become more real in my life.

1084
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: Like the pursuit of also the pursuit of want to

1085
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 1: be wanting to be a father is one thing, but

1086
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:40,600
Speaker 1: then the actual like like, when I spoke with my

1087
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:42,240
Speaker 1: friend this morning. I'm not going to mention his name

1088
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:45,600
Speaker 1: because everybody doesn't always they're pregnant yet, but um, when

1089
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: I spoke with him this morning, I was like, he

1090
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 1: was so like excited and jittery and terrified and nervous

1091
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:54,080
Speaker 1: and just like everything because like the pursuit of it

1092
00:58:54,120 --> 00:58:57,960
Speaker 1: is easy, and then the stepping into becoming a father. Wow,

1093
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:03,200
Speaker 1: the realization of dreams, real big dreams is sometimes scary.

1094
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 1: So I'm excited to see like the journey that these

1095
00:59:05,840 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: men go on, and then excited to see at the end. Um,

1096
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:12,600
Speaker 1: does this common bond of values of being wanting to

1097
00:59:12,640 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 1: be a parent, does that actually lead to more intimacy

1098
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 1: and connection with with the lady? Like maybe maybe the

1099
00:59:19,720 --> 00:59:24,080
Speaker 1: intimacy or maybe the connection and chemistry isn't strong or

1100
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,200
Speaker 1: is strong right off the get going, but maybe the

1101
00:59:26,320 --> 00:59:30,840
Speaker 1: shared common values leads to furthering a connection. I don't know,

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00:59:31,600 --> 00:59:33,440
Speaker 1: it's funny that you say that too, because I think

1103
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:36,760
Speaker 1: that what you get and and look, I love reality

1104
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:39,520
Speaker 1: dating shows obviously, I think that they're great. I think

1105
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: that that you know, there's so many really great ones

1106
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: out that they're super entertaining but I think that what

1107
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:48,600
Speaker 1: we have with Labor of Love is that you usually

1108
00:59:48,600 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: watch two people pursue each other on their chemistry, on

1109
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:56,120
Speaker 1: how they feel, and all those things adds a whole

1110
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:59,720
Speaker 1: other layer of steaks. Right, So no longer you just

1111
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: king at this person to go you know, I'm attracted

1112
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:04,200
Speaker 1: to them. They seem to like some of the same

1113
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:05,920
Speaker 1: things that I like. This is more of like you're

1114
01:00:05,920 --> 01:00:08,439
Speaker 1: looking at their each looking at each other and going

1115
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 1: is this a good is it? Would this be a

1116
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:15,320
Speaker 1: good partner first of all? Right? And second or first

1117
01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 1: of all parent and then second of all partner, Like

1118
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,560
Speaker 1: can I bond with this person and and raise a

1119
01:00:20,640 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: child together? Which I think is you know, that's that's

1120
01:00:25,040 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: got a lot of steaks in it, right, Like you

1121
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 1: are choosy and you're really thinking about it, and you're

1122
01:00:31,160 --> 01:00:33,720
Speaker 1: asking questions that you normally wouldn't ask, right, Like you're

1123
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:38,040
Speaker 1: you're getting to the to the depth pretty quickly. Yeah, wow,

1124
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:41,120
Speaker 1: I can't wait. I gotta tune into this. So um

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Speaker 1: oh Tori, which producer Tori has a question. Well, in

1126
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:47,560
Speaker 1: the first episode, we see them get their seamen tested,

1127
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 1: So was that something not done prior to them going

1128
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 1: on like when they see guys get sent home right

1129
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: off the bat because of that. Um, well, I'm not

1130
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:01,200
Speaker 1: going to give anything away, right, um. I think that

1131
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: when we did that, that that's a dent um um authentic.

1132
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:09,600
Speaker 1: It was one of the scariest things I've done in

1133
01:01:09,640 --> 01:01:12,720
Speaker 1: my career because you know, you go into a network

1134
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 1: meeting and you promise a lot. This is not giving

1135
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:18,479
Speaker 1: a problem. On the day, I realized when I had

1136
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: the trucks pull up, I didn't know what they were

1137
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,000
Speaker 1: going to do, and I was willing to. You know, look,

1138
01:01:23,000 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 1: if they were gonna bail, they were going to bail.

1139
01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:30,680
Speaker 1: But having you know, grown men on national television go

1140
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:34,440
Speaker 1: give a sample, um, I was. I was in My

1141
01:01:34,560 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 1: heart was pounding. I didn't know what they would do.

1142
01:01:36,680 --> 01:01:39,720
Speaker 1: But because men are men, as soon as one went,

1143
01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 1: the other guys were a little bit like you know,

1144
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:46,600
Speaker 1: they they straighten their neck. They jumped right into it.

1145
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 1: And what it really told me out of the gate

1146
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:52,680
Speaker 1: is that they were all there for the right reasons,

1147
01:01:52,960 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 1: that they all wanted this, and it's you know, but man,

1148
01:01:57,880 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if I could do it, to be honest,

1149
01:01:59,800 --> 01:02:02,720
Speaker 1: you out, I don't know, But I guess if it's

1150
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:04,800
Speaker 1: part of the process. And like you said, I think

1151
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: that right there is a good filter, that's a good

1152
01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 1: that's a good barrier to entry. Is like, Okay, somebody

1153
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:11,400
Speaker 1: not here for the right reasons. I'm not going to

1154
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:15,240
Speaker 1: subject myself to this, but somebody they're truthfully seeking out

1155
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 1: a true partnership and to become a parent. They're like, Okay,

1156
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:22,400
Speaker 1: that's that's what it takes. Let's go line me up. Yeah.

1157
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:25,560
Speaker 1: Do you see any of these dad's being stay at

1158
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:28,400
Speaker 1: home dad's or were these all men who are just

1159
01:02:28,520 --> 01:02:32,880
Speaker 1: kind of working towards being somebody that could fit the

1160
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:36,919
Speaker 1: raising a baby roll. I think what you find out

1161
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 1: good question, Tory. I think that what you find out

1162
01:02:39,240 --> 01:02:43,480
Speaker 1: during it is that it becomes a conversation, right like

1163
01:02:43,560 --> 01:02:46,760
Speaker 1: it's not it. That's what I like about this. The

1164
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:49,400
Speaker 1: rule books are kind of thrown out. I think that

1165
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 1: that Christie and the men all had those different conversations

1166
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:56,040
Speaker 1: to go, what would we want? How would it work? Right? Like?

1167
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,280
Speaker 1: What what? And then you really see two people instead

1168
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:03,000
Speaker 1: of going you know, look, you're super cute, blue looks

1169
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:06,080
Speaker 1: really nice on you, blah blah blah. Right, you know, honeymoon,

1170
01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 1: you see two people start working it out from a

1171
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 1: place of going, how do we want to do this?

1172
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:12,479
Speaker 1: Like your career is super important to you, My career

1173
01:03:12,520 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 1: super importance to me like that, and all of those

1174
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:19,320
Speaker 1: conversations come come up. I'm a single dad and and

1175
01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 1: I love it, right like, it's that's my journey. And

1176
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:24,600
Speaker 1: it's been like co parent really well with with my

1177
01:03:24,640 --> 01:03:27,760
Speaker 1: mother's uh, with my daughter's mother, and we have a

1178
01:03:27,960 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 1: we have just an amazing relationship and you know, we

1179
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,560
Speaker 1: both just love our daughters so much and and but

1180
01:03:34,600 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 1: that's how that's our journey and that's how we worked

1181
01:03:36,360 --> 01:03:40,640
Speaker 1: it out. That takes a lot of communication, that takes

1182
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:43,520
Speaker 1: a lot of you know, how is this gonna work?

1183
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:46,800
Speaker 1: Like she's she's you know, we're in this whole thing.

1184
01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 1: She's been accepted into a couple of really amazing private schools.

1185
01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:52,520
Speaker 1: She really wants to go to public. Like there's a

1186
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:55,880
Speaker 1: lot of conversations that we're talking about that you know,

1187
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:58,200
Speaker 1: we work out as a family now because she's going

1188
01:03:58,240 --> 01:04:01,680
Speaker 1: to be fourteen and god week and a half, And

1189
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 1: it almost makes me tear up telling man like because

1190
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:11,240
Speaker 1: because being a father is the most amazing experience for me,

1191
01:04:11,600 --> 01:04:14,640
Speaker 1: right like, and you gotta taste of that when you're

1192
01:04:14,640 --> 01:04:17,720
Speaker 1: looking at that, that that father and their son on

1193
01:04:17,720 --> 01:04:19,160
Speaker 1: the dock, right, Like, you look at that and you

1194
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 1: kind of go it starts to go ship. That's something

1195
01:04:21,720 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 1: I want. And I think that what men realize from

1196
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:29,080
Speaker 1: this show, and you will realize, is that we also

1197
01:04:29,160 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 1: have biological clocks, right like we Yes, there's a theory

1198
01:04:33,040 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: that we can have, you know, babies up into a

1199
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:38,360
Speaker 1: certain age and all these things, but the truth of

1200
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:40,840
Speaker 1: it is is that everything slows down a little bit,

1201
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:43,400
Speaker 1: everything stops working different the same way that it did.

1202
01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:46,000
Speaker 1: And and I knew for me, I didn't want to

1203
01:04:46,040 --> 01:04:48,440
Speaker 1: be kind of an old dad, right like I wanted to.

1204
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 1: I wanted to be a younger dad so I can

1205
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 1: move with her, so I can do things with her,

1206
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 1: so I can do all of that, right. And I

1207
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 1: think that's part of that biological clock too, right. I

1208
01:04:56,600 --> 01:04:58,880
Speaker 1: think it's great when dads have, you know, kids in

1209
01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:01,600
Speaker 1: their fifties or whatever. But you know that that was

1210
01:05:01,720 --> 01:05:04,200
Speaker 1: that that's not the journey that I wanted to have, right,

1211
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 1: And that's what these men really started to get into too,

1212
01:05:07,240 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 1: because all of them, including Christie, are I think the

1213
01:05:11,680 --> 01:05:14,640
Speaker 1: youngest person we had on the show was thirty eight, right,

1214
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,920
Speaker 1: So that's a whole different thing to like, we're not

1215
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,840
Speaker 1: seeing you know, you know, young fit trainers and you

1216
01:05:21,840 --> 01:05:23,400
Speaker 1: know that. I mean, you know what I mean. Like

1217
01:05:23,440 --> 01:05:25,080
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to put anything down, but it's like

1218
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:26,959
Speaker 1: a lot of these shows are just like really good

1219
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:29,320
Speaker 1: looking people and they're like if you you know, if

1220
01:05:29,320 --> 01:05:31,960
Speaker 1: you saw there, if you saw where they lived, it's

1221
01:05:32,040 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 1: gonna be an apartment with the roommate, you know what

1222
01:05:33,840 --> 01:05:36,160
Speaker 1: I mean, versus it being like these are all established

1223
01:05:36,200 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 1: men and and you know, um are are thinking about

1224
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 1: things a little bit differently. So yeah, I think that

1225
01:05:42,720 --> 01:05:44,360
Speaker 1: that that was a big wake up call to a

1226
01:05:44,360 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 1: lot of the guys too. This like they wanted to

1227
01:05:46,120 --> 01:05:48,920
Speaker 1: start this journey. Once they got into this, they were like,

1228
01:05:49,480 --> 01:05:52,959
Speaker 1: I've never seen fifteen guys want to impregnant one woman

1229
01:05:53,120 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 1: so bad in their life really, And um, I think

1230
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 1: it's super I'm super interested in it. I just am.

1231
01:06:03,080 --> 01:06:06,320
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm fascinated by that journey. I want to

1232
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 1: see what these men go through. I was curious on

1233
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 1: which was what was the youngest man that you had

1234
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:13,120
Speaker 1: on the show. Um, I'm also I agree with you

1235
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:17,520
Speaker 1: that maybe biological clock for men is maybe a little different,

1236
01:06:17,560 --> 01:06:20,680
Speaker 1: but and it's energetic clock. You know. Like you said,

1237
01:06:20,680 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 1: you want to be a young father, you want to

1238
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:26,640
Speaker 1: be active with your daughter. Um, I'm thirty six. I'm

1239
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:28,640
Speaker 1: not yet a father, but I feel the same way

1240
01:06:28,680 --> 01:06:32,200
Speaker 1: like my I look at fatherhood as my purpose is

1241
01:06:32,240 --> 01:06:37,280
Speaker 1: to give this new being the best possible life ever.

1242
01:06:37,720 --> 01:06:39,280
Speaker 1: I do it with my dog, who, if you can

1243
01:06:39,320 --> 01:06:43,440
Speaker 1: see right back, is right back here, sleeping right there, spiking.

1244
01:06:43,560 --> 01:06:47,480
Speaker 1: See my dog just sleeping on the couch. It was comfortable. Yeah,

1245
01:06:47,520 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 1: it was raining, It's pouring rain here at my LG house.

1246
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:53,360
Speaker 1: But I was like, we're running this morning like we

1247
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:56,280
Speaker 1: are because he loves being outside. He doesn't care about

1248
01:06:56,280 --> 01:06:59,640
Speaker 1: the rain. Um. Maybe not ideal conditions, but who cares.

1249
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:02,640
Speaker 1: My off as a parent is to give him the

1250
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:07,840
Speaker 1: greatest possible life. So, um, I'm gonna be active forever. Um.

1251
01:07:07,880 --> 01:07:10,000
Speaker 1: It's one of the reasons why I'm not worried that

1252
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:11,960
Speaker 1: I'm thirty six and not yet a father. I'm going

1253
01:07:12,000 --> 01:07:17,680
Speaker 1: to be an active father at sixties, seventy eighty whatever, grandfather. Um,

1254
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:21,439
Speaker 1: So I want I'm interested just to see I'm also

1255
01:07:21,480 --> 01:07:23,880
Speaker 1: interested to see how these men feel about their careers

1256
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 1: and the success that they've had and now the lack

1257
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 1: of fulfillment that they truly have in life. Successes in

1258
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:34,520
Speaker 1: career is one thing, but a fulfilled life is happiness

1259
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 1: across the board and and life beyond ourselves, or a

1260
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 1: connection with a partner, A lifelong partnership is such an

1261
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:46,240
Speaker 1: immeasurable amount of joy in a being in a person

1262
01:07:46,320 --> 01:07:49,200
Speaker 1: that you're it's I I don't know that it would

1263
01:07:49,200 --> 01:07:53,120
Speaker 1: be possible to be truly fulfilled in life without that,

1264
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:57,280
Speaker 1: with just career achievements, a very successful man, which you mentioned.

1265
01:07:57,320 --> 01:08:00,480
Speaker 1: So I'm super excited to tune into this. How and

1266
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 1: when can I tune into Labor of Love this Thursday? Yes? One,

1267
01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,240
Speaker 1: I believe it's nine pm depending on where you're at

1268
01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:14,400
Speaker 1: on Fox on Fox? Oh yes, any um, any little

1269
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 1: insider tidbits you can give me, Spike, just you and

1270
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 1: I talking now, nobody's listens. Just you know, it's it's

1271
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Speaker 1: easy to kind of get in the weeds on this

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Speaker 1: thing to go. You know, this can be feel like

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Speaker 1: a very earnest show, right Like it can be like

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Speaker 1: like all these things. But the truth of it is

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Speaker 1: is also it was important to me that it's an

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Speaker 1: entertaining show, right and and um, what we really I

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01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 1: tried to me and the team really tried to do

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Speaker 1: is make it feel more like a rom com, right

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Speaker 1: and that and it does that really well. So I

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01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:50,800
Speaker 1: think it's a really fun, enjoyable watch. But I also

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01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:55,120
Speaker 1: think it makes you sit on the sofa, maybe with

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Speaker 1: a partner, and think about life, right. And I think

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01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:01,000
Speaker 1: it's a perfect time being in in these very strange

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Speaker 1: times that we're in. I think, um, it's going to

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Speaker 1: help people reflect and start to go you know, what's

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Speaker 1: what's what's important and what do I want? You know,

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01:09:09,800 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 1: we all get like can you can look at this

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01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 1: as quarantine or you can look at this is solitude? Right,

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01:09:14,080 --> 01:09:15,920
Speaker 1: and this is some solitude that we're all getting to

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Speaker 1: reflect and you know what we want in life? And

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Speaker 1: I think that a lot of us want to become parents.

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Speaker 1: So I think this this show really has a lot

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Speaker 1: of people look at it that way. I love that, Um,

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01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:29,879
Speaker 1: the purpose of our show of how men think podcast

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01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 1: is should try to um have discussions that maybe men

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Speaker 1: generally don't. And I love I almost see a parallel

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01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:41,200
Speaker 1: mission with Labor of Love is I'm sure we're gonna

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Speaker 1: watch this journey of One woman and fifteen men. But really,

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Speaker 1: you're hoping that the show actually encourages couples and encourages

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Speaker 1: even individuals single people to really have an open and

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01:09:52,600 --> 01:09:57,160
Speaker 1: honest discussion with either themselves or their partner about the

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Speaker 1: topic and truth behind being a parent. Because yeah, you

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Speaker 1: say you want to be a parent, that's great to

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Speaker 1: say it, But the truth behind the commitment, the journey, um,

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01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:09,280
Speaker 1: stepping into being a parent. You are one, you could

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01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:11,840
Speaker 1: attest to it. But that, I'm I'm sure is a

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Speaker 1: whole different level than just saying yeah, I want to

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Speaker 1: be a parent. So I'm sure the show is going

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Speaker 1: to inspire deeper, more thoughtful, more present, real conversations. Um,

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Speaker 1: and maybe you see a huge baby boom. Well you know,

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Speaker 1: yeah for sure, Oh incredible my brand. Well, spike any

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Speaker 1: other little tidbits or not get to you you want

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Speaker 1: to share with me this, dude, I'm excited to watch this.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna put on a fire. I'm gonna go catch

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Speaker 1: some fish, some clean fish. Put it on the barbecue.

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Speaker 1: Put on a fire, have myself just a little self

1317
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Speaker 1: date with labor love. Like I think the only little

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Speaker 1: tidbit I can give you is that in this show,

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01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to watch men experience the physical

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Speaker 1: pains of labor. So the best of our ability. Oh man,

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Speaker 1: oh boy, I bet too. At the end of this,

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Speaker 1: because only one guy is gonna get selected, or however

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01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:11,799
Speaker 1: it ends up, these other fourteen guys are just gonna

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01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,080
Speaker 1: they're just gonna get bombarded. Tori is gonna be messaging

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Speaker 1: all of them. That's right, that's right. Here's you're gonna

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Speaker 1: get some man tears in this as well, because I

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Speaker 1: think a lot of the guys that didn't get selected,

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01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:26,839
Speaker 1: it impacts right like you're if you're in that bubble

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01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:28,639
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you're like, you know what I mean,

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01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:33,840
Speaker 1: Like it's an impactful one, right. So because like as

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Speaker 1: a if you're there one, if you're there as a man,

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Speaker 1: you want to be a family man. That's the reason

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Speaker 1: you're there, and to getting close to that being a reality.

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Speaker 1: You have a potential person, a partner, looking for the

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Speaker 1: same thing, and you're close to that that this is

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Speaker 1: potentially a reality. I could see myself with this person,

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Speaker 1: I could become a family man. Step into that chapter.

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Speaker 1: The greatest being of our version of ourselves and then

1339
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Speaker 1: to have that not happen, it's got to be deflating

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Speaker 1: for these men. So um wow, I'm I'm super intrigued

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Speaker 1: by this. Spike, thanks for Sharon labor Love. Thursday nights,

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Speaker 1: nine pm Eastern on Fox nine pm Eastern on Fox. Dude,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, buddy. I appreciate you so much. Best to

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Speaker 1: luck to you and the show. Um, and I can't

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Speaker 1: wait to watch absolutely Thanks you guys, Thank you my friend.

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Speaker 1: Appreciate you have a good one too, super powerful episode today.

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Speaker 1: I missed my buddy Gavin, I missed my buddies Rick,

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Speaker 1: Dmitri and Ryan. But I want to thank the MSS

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Speaker 1: for coming on and Spike for coming on, and I

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Speaker 1: want to thank you guys for listening. Um, I miss

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Speaker 1: you guys. I wish we could connect. No, that was sorry,

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Speaker 1: I was just rambling. Thanks. Super powerful episode today. I

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01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:56,880
Speaker 1: want to thank the MSS for coming on. Just a

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Speaker 1: huge fan of his journey what he shared and just

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01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 1: encouraging and inspiring UM to hear that you can have

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01:13:04,520 --> 01:13:08,280
Speaker 1: everything you want in fulfillment, in career and in family,

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01:13:08,320 --> 01:13:10,560
Speaker 1: and that you can have both of them. So I

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01:13:10,560 --> 01:13:14,000
Speaker 1: want to inspire and encourage our community. If that's a

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01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,840
Speaker 1: debate going on inside your head, follow them is check

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01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:20,200
Speaker 1: out his story. UM, that's something that you two can

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Speaker 1: have in your life. And then I also want to

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Speaker 1: thank Spike for coming on and sharing labor of love. UM.

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Speaker 1: Super excited to watch the show. I know what I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna be watching here every Thursday night, UM on Fox.

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Speaker 1: So thank you guys for listening. I'm sending you guys

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Speaker 1: love wherever you're listening to this. I hope you're staying safe.

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Speaker 1: I hope you're staying active. I hope you're staying creative,

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Speaker 1: and I hope you're still finding ways to connect with

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Speaker 1: loved ones and give love and receive love. So until

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Speaker 1: next week, take care of one another, love one another,

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Speaker 1: and we'll see you back here for another episode of

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Speaker 1: How Men Think