1 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:16,919 Speaker 1: Coming to you live from the Cross Country Mortgage Campus 2 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: in Barrio, Ohio. This is Cleveland Browns Daily, presented by 3 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,280 Speaker 1: Bally Bett, an official sports betting partner of your Cleveland 4 00:00:24,280 --> 00:00:27,680 Speaker 1: Browns on eight fifty ESP and Cleveland. You are your 5 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: hosts Bo Bishop and Nathan Zegura. 6 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,000 Speaker 2: He let's are live on a reaction Monday edition at 7 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns Daily. I am merely Bo. 8 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 3: He is the great z. 9 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,480 Speaker 2: It is Christmas week, my friend, let's go. 10 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:50,640 Speaker 3: Let's go, am I on this, You're on, I'll right it. 11 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:51,320 Speaker 4: We'll do it live. 12 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:56,440 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, matche Christmas. Yeah, there you go. People can it? 13 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 2: How was Cincinnati of the match? 14 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 3: Cold? Brother? It was cold. It was a cold, cold, cold, 15 00:01:04,440 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 3: coldest booth I've ever been in my radio broadcasting career. 16 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 5: Shout out to uh, the cheap owners of the Bengals 17 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 5: who basically turn off the heat because we took out 18 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 5: the windows. 19 00:01:17,120 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 2: Hold on a second, that's right? Is that real? Yep? 20 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 5: Oh eight hours cold would say five degrees. 21 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 3: Water bottles were turning into ice. 22 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh now, I see so. Because of various calamities 23 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,320 Speaker 2: with with my oldest I was unaware that you are 24 00:01:39,360 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 2: in a macho grab a Bacho Christmas. 25 00:01:41,840 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 3: I didn't realize that. 26 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I just thought you came out of the 27 00:01:45,800 --> 00:01:47,560 Speaker 2: gates because we were up on the zoo. But I 28 00:01:47,600 --> 00:01:49,559 Speaker 2: just thought you just came out of the gates with March. 29 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 2: And I'm like, where where's March coming from? I mean, 30 00:01:51,960 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 2: I love lot and the. 31 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:55,560 Speaker 3: Beat goes on and the beat goes on. 32 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. 33 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:01,040 Speaker 3: So cold in there. My toe and I will, I 34 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 3: will socked it. I did the whole deal frozen. I'm 35 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:09,639 Speaker 3: just praying I don't get Wednesday. 36 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 2: So they're off their reaction to do you guys requested 37 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:16,840 Speaker 2: the windows out or do you just do them yourself? 38 00:02:18,760 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: We have to call in request. Okay, so I understanding 39 00:02:23,040 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 2: is correct. Once you call and request. They then turned 40 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 2: off the heat to the room, yes, to not waste money. 41 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:34,120 Speaker 5: Yeah, there was. There was CBS. I don't believe had 42 00:02:34,160 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 5: any heat because that's I was able to pill for 43 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,920 Speaker 5: some hand warmers and footwarmers. Was never taking them to 44 00:02:40,960 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 5: their talent who we could watch because we had the 45 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 5: truck feed. We could see them like bundled up. 46 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 2: So what about their own broadcast? They probably closed the windows. 47 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 5: I don't know if they close it's every team is different, 48 00:02:56,720 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 5: but I mean they had to have at least one 49 00:02:58,840 --> 00:02:59,400 Speaker 5: window open. 50 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,720 Speaker 2: I would assume how can you call a game without 51 00:03:02,880 --> 00:03:07,679 Speaker 2: the ambient noise? Kansas City, Oh they do it that 52 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 2: way too. I can't say you can't open any of 53 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 2: the windows, can't open anything. 54 00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 5: You have to like literally plug in in a cable 55 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 5: that gets you the audio, the effects and crowd feet. 56 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:22,440 Speaker 3: Oh well, let's yeah, Ken't City. You can't. And the 57 00:03:22,480 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 3: windows are kind of like slanted like this, like you're 58 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:26,240 Speaker 3: kind of in a slant, so like if it was open, 59 00:03:26,280 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 3: maybe'd fall out. 60 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 5: But it was like, it's it's a great view. We've 61 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 5: had a problem like this before, Like I never encountered 62 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 5: this in Cincinnati before. But it was like bloody cold. 63 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 5: It was, dude, it was we'd go into the hallway 64 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 5: during commercial. 65 00:03:43,280 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, was Siciliano. I mean he's a northern boy, 66 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 2: but was he prepared for that? 67 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,200 Speaker 3: He was prepared. Yeah, with Syracuse, he knows cold. 68 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's been a minute. I mean he's living 69 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:56,040 Speaker 2: the life on the beach the last two couple of decades. 70 00:03:56,240 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 3: He even wore he had to wear the pom pom beanie, 71 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 3: which is not his favorite, but that thing with the 72 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 3: fleece lining. Is that is warm? My head was not 73 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 3: cold at all. Unfortunately, the game didn't make me any warmer. 74 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 3: You know. It was one of those situations where can. 75 00:04:09,320 --> 00:04:09,840 Speaker 2: I be honest? 76 00:04:09,840 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 3: It was tough. 77 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 2: Do you can I be honest? 78 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 3: Depends? 79 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 4: Well, I'm all. 80 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,240 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm aware of what we're doing. The show man, 81 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:17,799 Speaker 2: I thought. 82 00:04:17,640 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 3: Now they said, when you're in the five timers club, 83 00:04:19,320 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 3: you every can say whatever they wanted there really want. 84 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 2: Uh, it was for me it was over as soon 85 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:26,839 Speaker 2: as we fumble inside the one. 86 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 3: That's unfortunately, well you fumble inside the one and then 87 00:04:32,040 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 3: you and I'm not even sure Diabate actually was in 88 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 3: the neutral zone on that. Nonetheless, you give a penalty 89 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 3: and then they go ninety at that point ninety four yards. 90 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,320 Speaker 3: They really went ninety nine yards. And yeah, it just it. 91 00:04:43,360 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 2: Was so deflating. 92 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 3: It was incredibly deflating. And it's you know, think about 93 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 3: how many games have we started now where we turned 94 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 3: the ball over early and then are down seven to nothing. Man, 95 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 3: can't the last two games in a row since we 96 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 3: were and I'm pretty sure I have this right. Wasn't 97 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 3: the final in Pittsburgh twenty seven to fourteen. I'm pretty 98 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 3: sure I have that. 99 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 5: Na. 100 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, so since we were ahead seven to three, yeah, 101 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 3: early in Pittsburgh on the Jerry Judy jamis to Jerry Judy. 102 00:05:11,960 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 3: Since that point, over the next eleven quarters, we've been 103 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 3: outscored twenty four to twenty one, which is what forty 104 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 3: five and then this was another twenty four, so sixty nine. 105 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 3: We've been outscored sixty nine to twenty in the last 106 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:32,440 Speaker 3: eleven quarters. Yeah, we scored seven points. We go in 107 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:34,520 Speaker 3: six this week, which are two lowest of the season. 108 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 3: In our last eleven quarters, we've scored three touchdowns. 109 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 2: The Bengals haven't done this to anybody like six points. 110 00:05:42,800 --> 00:05:45,919 Speaker 3: No, No, they have not. No, they were giving up 111 00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:50,520 Speaker 3: twenty seven point six a game. Yeah, the Cincinnati Bengals 112 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,440 Speaker 3: twenty seven point six a game. You want to hear 113 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 3: the full rundown of it, I'll give you the full 114 00:05:56,360 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 3: rundown of it. I don't even need a reason. I 115 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 3: don't even need a reason. The Bengals defense, I mean, 116 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 3: and listen you again, it's it's self inflicted wounds. Turnovers. 117 00:06:12,760 --> 00:06:14,120 Speaker 3: Over the last eight weeks, we leave the league in 118 00:06:14,120 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 3: turnovers by a wide Marchin we lead the league in 119 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 3: penalties those things. So one of these is not like 120 00:06:20,160 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 3: the other, okay, and it's not like we're talking juggernauts here. Okay. 121 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,560 Speaker 3: The New York Giants scored seven points against them, that 122 00:06:28,680 --> 00:06:33,159 Speaker 3: was the previous low. Then it was US with fourteen 123 00:06:33,240 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 3: against them, which was the second low. YEP, Eagles thirty seven. 124 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 3: This is their scores. What the Eagles have scored is 125 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 3: thirty seven. The Raiders score twenty four YEP, Ravens thirty five, 126 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:57,800 Speaker 3: Chargers thirty four, Steelers forty four, Cowboys twenty Tennessee Titans YEP, 127 00:06:58,040 --> 00:07:00,919 Speaker 3: twenty seven, Brown six yep. 128 00:07:03,800 --> 00:07:05,839 Speaker 2: You know, here's the this is the other thing is 129 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:11,600 Speaker 2: we're this is this is we're we got two games left. 130 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 2: We are not a disciplined football team at all. No, 131 00:07:15,520 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 2: the penalties are crazy. I mean, it's it's been a 132 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 2: couple of years of this and with penalties and turnovers, 133 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 2: we are just way too loose with both and it's 134 00:07:24,720 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 2: not winning football. And yes, we've got injuries that were unforeseen. 135 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 2: A lot of people have injuries that were unforeseen, but 136 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 2: we keep doing the same thing self inflicting week in 137 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 2: and week out, and it's maddening. 138 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 3: Yep, so we are. We are second most turnovers in 139 00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:45,679 Speaker 3: the league right now, We've got thirty behind the Titans 140 00:07:45,680 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 3: who are at thirty two. But over the last eight games, 141 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:56,560 Speaker 3: we are number one in the NFL and turnovers. And 142 00:07:56,560 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 3: then I'm trying to pull up penalties. 143 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 2: Let's see, I guarantee we're near the. 144 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 3: Top penalties this year. We have committed one hundred and seven. 145 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 3: We are near the top. Yes, we are seventh. The 146 00:08:16,520 --> 00:08:18,239 Speaker 3: Titans are number one at one twice, so the Titans 147 00:08:18,240 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 3: are number one in both. We have the most pre 148 00:08:21,040 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 3: snap penalties in the NFL though. 149 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 4: Yeah. 150 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 2: So it's just we're just not a very disciplined outfit. 151 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,680 Speaker 2: And when you couple that with the injuries at the 152 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 2: positions that you have the injuries, then this is what 153 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 2: you get. It's tough. I mean it's tough. It's tough 154 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,280 Speaker 2: to know what to look forward to. The one positive 155 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 2: that happened yesterday was the Raiders stupidly won and so, yep, 156 00:08:42,920 --> 00:08:45,200 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, Now, if you can lose out 157 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 2: you can pick fourth or better. Conversely, the Raiders now 158 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:52,920 Speaker 2: are going to be picking the third quarterback in this draft. Yeah, 159 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 2: because they won a stupid game. Against Jacksonville. 160 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,679 Speaker 3: Unbelievable that they won, by the way, just real quickly, 161 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,320 Speaker 3: the Browns lead the NFL. I was right in this 162 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 3: fifth d seven pre snap penalties fifty seven. Tell me 163 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 3: what these two teams have in common. Detroit and Kansas City, 164 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 3: who together combined have forty five pre snap penalties combined. 165 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:13,439 Speaker 2: Those two teams combined for three losses. 166 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 3: That's right. Yeah, and we have three wins unfortunately. Yeah, 167 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:20,280 Speaker 3: that's the thing that's so hard for me to get 168 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 3: my head around, like me too, that is, those are 169 00:09:27,000 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 3: things that should be able to be cleaned up. We 170 00:09:29,559 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 3: cannot help. But it feels like at this point we 171 00:09:32,559 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 3: turned the ball over three times a game. We just 172 00:09:34,559 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 3: can't help it. We can't help it penalty wise, you know. 173 00:09:38,320 --> 00:09:40,200 Speaker 3: And this one was only five. It was five to five, 174 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 3: So it wasn't it wasn't terrible relatively speaking, and below 175 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 3: certainly below our average. But it's just it's self inflicted wounds. 176 00:09:49,120 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 3: And then it's inability to be elite in a high 177 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:58,360 Speaker 3: leverage situations. So what are high leverage situations? Third downs 178 00:09:58,400 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 3: we were three for twelve, fourth down we were one 179 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:03,920 Speaker 3: for three, and then in the red zone, red zone 180 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:06,960 Speaker 3: we were one for three with two turnovers, one for 181 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 3: three with two turnovers. 182 00:10:11,160 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you think about everything that Kevin preach 183 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,840 Speaker 2: for me got here. It was smart, tough, accountable, and 184 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 2: yeah we're not particularly smart. We're not accountable with our 185 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 2: turnovers and penalties. 186 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:25,600 Speaker 3: So it's not manifesting itself in the product on the field. 187 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 3: That's the thing that I think is so frustrating to you, 188 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 3: to me, to everybody who is a Browns fan that 189 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:35,959 Speaker 3: it's one thing if you're playing good games and you're 190 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 3: getting beat or it's this that, But when you are 191 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 3: doing and unfortunately committing the same types of self inflicted 192 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 3: wounds week after week after week after week with no 193 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 3: change in sight, it's tough. It's tough. I mean, at 194 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 3: the beginning of the season we weren't really scoring, but 195 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 3: we weren't like turning the ball over like this. We 196 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:01,959 Speaker 3: just weren't read on offense. Now it's it's turnovers. I 197 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 3: mean at the first half, I think detail was three 198 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 3: of six for fifteen yards and we had more sack 199 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 3: yards than we had passing yards. On the second half, 200 00:11:10,240 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 3: I thought he made some nice throws. There was a 201 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 3: dig the judy that was a very nice throw, but 202 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 3: too often I felt like he was under dress, which 203 00:11:17,200 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 3: is not necessarily his fault. But also you could tell 204 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,880 Speaker 3: that his he was very quick to process that. And 205 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 3: he's not yet comfortable, you know, as like a as 206 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,120 Speaker 3: a a somebody who had been a starting quarterback for 207 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 3: a while in this league would be in certain situations, no, 208 00:11:36,920 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 3: you know, and of course he's young, he's young in 209 00:11:40,000 --> 00:11:44,439 Speaker 3: the game, but you know, he was under pressure basically 210 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,960 Speaker 3: on forty percent of his of his dropbacks, which is 211 00:11:47,040 --> 00:11:48,080 Speaker 3: a decent amount. 212 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 2: Is there a common denominator between him and Deshaun versus 213 00:11:51,240 --> 00:11:56,400 Speaker 2: Jamis when it comes to pressures because James, I mean, 214 00:11:56,440 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 2: it's such a pressure couple size. 215 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:02,160 Speaker 3: But right Jamis is much better. Jamis is much more 216 00:12:02,160 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 3: of a pocket passer than either dtr or DeShawn. So 217 00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 3: I do think there is some of you know, he 218 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 3: maybe is a little bit farther back at the top 219 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:14,319 Speaker 3: of his drop He doesn't have necessarily the up escapability. 220 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,760 Speaker 3: His escape in his mind, and similar to Deshawn's is 221 00:12:16,760 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 3: always to go out, yeah and around, So there has 222 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:23,640 Speaker 3: to be something too that pull it up. I'll pull 223 00:12:23,640 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 3: it up for the season real fast to see if 224 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,719 Speaker 3: they're if they're if there just like jumps out as 225 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:29,920 Speaker 3: being something that you know, there are a lot of 226 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 3: factors that go into it. I'm sure, but yes, quarterbacks. 227 00:12:32,720 --> 00:12:35,680 Speaker 3: So Jamis for the season was under pressure on thirty 228 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:39,880 Speaker 3: one percent of his snaps, Dashawan forty four percent of 229 00:12:39,880 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 3: his snaps, DTR forty percent of his snaps. So yeah, 230 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 3: I mean that's to me, that's ten percent out of four. 231 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 3: That's a statistically significant difference. 232 00:12:49,520 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, it is. I think you nailed it. 233 00:12:52,440 --> 00:12:55,080 Speaker 2: I think that's probably is the common denominator that Jamis 234 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 2: hits a point and then he goes up in the 235 00:12:57,080 --> 00:13:00,200 Speaker 2: pocket with eyes down and ready to throw, whereas the 236 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 2: other two do what you just said. Miles did get 237 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:05,599 Speaker 2: to one hundred sacks in this game, the youngest to 238 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 2: ever do so before turning twenty nine, So that's awesome. Well, 239 00:13:10,120 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 2: more on his comments probably a little bit later on. 240 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 2: The Chief did return and looked good, so that was 241 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 2: good too. And Mike Hall Junior and Isaiah McGuire both 242 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 2: look pretty damn good. 243 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,360 Speaker 3: Mike Call is a stud. My Hall is going to 244 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 3: be a force for a very very long time for 245 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 3: the Cleveland Browns. I don't have any any doubts about that. 246 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,440 Speaker 3: You've seen it enough now, the way he flashes, the 247 00:13:32,520 --> 00:13:35,200 Speaker 3: dominance that he can show up at getting up the field, 248 00:13:35,200 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 3: which in this defense is absolutely a perfect fit. It's 249 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 3: there in spades. Isaiah McGuire continues to be a very 250 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 3: productive young player for us. And I'll even say another one, 251 00:13:44,160 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 3: Juwan Briggs has been very good in the middle of 252 00:13:46,920 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 3: the defense, showing strength at the point of attack. So 253 00:13:49,960 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 3: that's all really good. I thought Devin Bush had a 254 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 3: great game, and Devin Bush is somebody who feels like 255 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,680 Speaker 3: I could be in your linebacker room for quite some time. 256 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 3: So you like, that was good. And Devin Bush just 257 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:01,959 Speaker 3: still a relatively young player. But you know, you think 258 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 3: of Mike Hall, Briggs and McGuire first or second of 259 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 3: your players who looked excellent in this game, and I 260 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,320 Speaker 3: thought that was a great thing to see. And McGuire 261 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,679 Speaker 3: looks to me like somebody who absolutely can start for 262 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,080 Speaker 3: this football team, Like, yeah, there's no doubt in my 263 00:14:15,120 --> 00:14:16,760 Speaker 3: mind that he can. I mean, I think next year, 264 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:21,280 Speaker 3: you know, you could have your starting four could be Miles, 265 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 3: Mike Hall, Dalvin, and McGuire. Dalvin's having a very nice 266 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 3: season as well, so that's that to me is encouraging 267 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 3: what you've got there in terms of, you know, some 268 00:14:31,560 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 3: of that youth on the defensive line. But you know, 269 00:14:36,240 --> 00:14:39,240 Speaker 3: unfortunately you talk about that milestone. You know, Chief comes 270 00:14:39,280 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 3: back has eight catches. That's nice. Jerome Ford, I think 271 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:45,720 Speaker 3: we should point out, continues to be impressive. Eleven Gary 272 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:47,920 Speaker 3: for ninety two yards and a touchdown. He had five 273 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 3: for thirty nine. Who has been over one hundred total 274 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:51,600 Speaker 3: yards in each of the last two games. You know, 275 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 3: dtr with his legs actually made some place and he 276 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 3: had some unbelievable play extensions. I mean the throwback across 277 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 3: the field to Jerome Ford was wild, and then the 278 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 3: one where he did like three pirouettes and then found 279 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 3: the Chief on the sideline was crazy. But there isn't 280 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:08,880 Speaker 3: enough in rhythm and three targets for Jerry Judy not enough, 281 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 3: not enough, no, not enough. And you could see from 282 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 3: Cincinnati for Tea a lot of times it was just 283 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 3: like a quick little stick over the middle of the ball. 284 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,560 Speaker 3: Just get the ball in his hands. Easy plays. Just 285 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 3: get the ball into their hands and get them into 286 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:25,760 Speaker 3: the rhythm of the game. And I think that's you know, 287 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 3: you think about this one, and you think about the 288 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 3: Pittsburgh game. We did not do a good job of 289 00:15:30,120 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 3: that early in either of those games. Yes, he had 290 00:15:32,160 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 3: the touchdown Pittsburgh, but then he didn't have another He 291 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:35,400 Speaker 3: had one more target until like the end of the 292 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 3: third quarter. That can't happen. You've got to scheme things 293 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,480 Speaker 3: up for him just to make it easy for him 294 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 3: to get to get some of those plays. 295 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think, you know, as we turn our attention, 296 00:15:47,480 --> 00:15:49,240 Speaker 2: you know, the next couple of weeks and get to 297 00:15:49,280 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 2: the off season, this organization has a real question to 298 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 2: figure out what type of quarterback they want going forward. Yeah, 299 00:15:57,880 --> 00:16:02,840 Speaker 2: because that's the key to this thing, because what what 300 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 2: what Kevin's offense was versus what this version of Kevin's 301 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,080 Speaker 2: offense is are two very different things. And and we 302 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:12,280 Speaker 2: got to figure out what type of core Here's the thing. 303 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 2: Dtr did fine, But I don't think he's somebody that 304 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 2: And this is me speaking obviously, not for the organization 305 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 2: in any way, shape or form. Uh, You're not going 306 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 2: to redo the offense to make it fit his skill set. No, 307 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:25,320 Speaker 2: And I think something he's a back. 308 00:16:25,720 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 3: This was an audition, but I think he's still auditioning 309 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,520 Speaker 3: to say I am the backup for the next two years, 310 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 3: you know, and you're in ABC progress. That would be great, yes, 311 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 3: but I still think you need to see a little 312 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 3: bit of progress. The fact is, unfortunately its touchdown interception 313 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 3: ratio is really bad. It's one to nine. And I 314 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 3: love the kid, and he has not been able to 315 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 3: take what we've seen in the preseason into the regular 316 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 3: season yet. And maybe, you know, if he starts the 317 00:16:50,840 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 3: final three, maybe you see some signs against Miami and 318 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 3: and Baltimore. But I think right now, as we talked 319 00:16:58,520 --> 00:17:01,800 Speaker 3: about the Shawn coming off of a serious injury for 320 00:17:01,840 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 3: the second time in two years, Jamis is we know 321 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:10,239 Speaker 3: exactly what Jamis is. DTR needs to show more, I 322 00:17:10,280 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 3: think for you know, to solidify a spot here and 323 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 3: then we don't know we've got in Zappy. Other than 324 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:17,679 Speaker 3: the fact that you know what we saw him do 325 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:22,040 Speaker 3: it with New England, I think you have to be 326 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 3: thinking about, you know, looking at this quarterback room, right 327 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 3: what do we want out of that position, How do 328 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 3: we want to play offense? What do we want to 329 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 3: be our bread and butter? And certainly we heard Miles 330 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 3: had his his opinion on what he wants that offense 331 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 3: to be given that, what's the best fit for us? 332 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 3: And how do we approach this? Are we a team 333 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 3: that if Kirk Cousins gets cut that we know he 334 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:42,480 Speaker 3: can run the fancy offense? They did it together at 335 00:17:42,520 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 3: a very high level of Minnesota. Does he Is he 336 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 3: somebody that you've signed the way that like Russ signed 337 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,879 Speaker 3: for nothing in Pittsburgh? Is that some first name? I 338 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 3: thought it is justin Fields? I mean, do you kind 339 00:17:54,160 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 3: of do the whole full Pittsburgh experience, Say, okay, let's 340 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:03,480 Speaker 3: get let's get Cousins. Let's also get Fields because after 341 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:05,320 Speaker 3: having a year with Arthur Smith, he's actually going to 342 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 3: be pretty familiar. And the offense they ran early in 343 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:09,040 Speaker 3: the year is kind of similar to what we would 344 00:18:09,080 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 3: run if we were running more Kevin stuff. And he's 345 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 3: somebody that could become a long term solution because Cousin 346 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 3: certainly is not. I think you have a whole look 347 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:21,600 Speaker 3: at that quarterback room because right now, given the injury 348 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 3: status to the Sean Watson and then given everything else 349 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:28,439 Speaker 3: we've seen, it's a big question mark in terms of 350 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:30,280 Speaker 3: what that path forward is going to look like. 351 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:34,640 Speaker 2: And until you identify that path, that's job one. That's 352 00:18:34,640 --> 00:18:37,240 Speaker 2: the most important, that's the most important. Rest of facing 353 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 2: this organization. Yeah, the rest of it is is window dressing. 354 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:43,800 Speaker 2: You have to you have got to figure out what 355 00:18:43,880 --> 00:18:46,479 Speaker 2: the path forward is, you know, at that position. And 356 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 2: it's made even more abundantly clear when you have a 357 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 2: steady diet of the teams that we're seeing we continue 358 00:18:53,520 --> 00:18:55,680 Speaker 2: to play football in the AFC. We saw Patrick Mahomes, 359 00:18:55,680 --> 00:19:00,639 Speaker 2: we saw Joe Burrow, Lamar Job Yeah, I mean just 360 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,639 Speaker 2: the last two weeks though, like sure, you know, you 361 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 2: look at you look at Joe and you go you 362 00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,840 Speaker 2: you just think of them malfeasance that organization did, like 363 00:19:08,880 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 2: screwing this year up and not winning some of those 364 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,480 Speaker 2: ridiculous games they lost early in the season. Jamar Chase 365 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 2: is right. Nobody would want to play them, nobody, but 366 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:18,840 Speaker 2: they're not. 367 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 3: Going to get in a competent offense probably would not 368 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 3: be that afraid of them. 369 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 2: But as we talked and Hoff talked about this last week, 370 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:27,400 Speaker 2: the problem with. 371 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 3: Them is they're so scary. 372 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 2: Even if you are a really good offense like Baltimore, 373 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 2: so are they You're good, you got there's the pressure 374 00:19:35,800 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 2: to score every drive. 375 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 3: Were you surprised how they really our defense played well 376 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 3: in the second half, but how they kind of they 377 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 3: really took their foot off the gas as well in 378 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:44,360 Speaker 3: the second half. 379 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 2: It felt like I agree, and I think they knew 380 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 2: that we couldn't do anything. 381 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:54,600 Speaker 3: I will say this, I thought it was pretty fascinating, 382 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:58,560 Speaker 3: pretty fascinating at the end. And I don't know if 383 00:19:58,560 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 3: you were aware of this or not, but Oburrow needed 384 00:20:01,160 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 3: one more passing touchdown and exactly thirty yards to become 385 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 3: the first quarterback in NFL history to have seven straight 386 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,399 Speaker 3: games with two hundred and fifty yards and three passing touchdowns, 387 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:13,200 Speaker 3: and he threw a thirty two yard touchdown to Jamar 388 00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 3: Chase when they absolutely did not need to throw the ball. 389 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,200 Speaker 2: I did not know the context of that, so. 390 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,919 Speaker 3: I thought that was interesting. I also thought, you know, 391 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 3: one of the thing when you're on defense, you have 392 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,239 Speaker 3: to play until the play is shut down, And on 393 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 3: that play, I think cam Mitchell thought the play was 394 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,360 Speaker 3: blown dead and kind of just stopped running and ended 395 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 3: up being the easiest touchdown in the world for Jamar 396 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 3: Chasing for Joe Burrow. 397 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean their path to get in 398 00:20:40,320 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 2: took a bit of a hit yesterday with Indie winning, 399 00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 2: it's it's tough for them. Yeah, they do get Denver 400 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 2: this week, and we'll go over the FC playoff picture 401 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,720 Speaker 2: in a bit, But yeah, I mean they're they're in 402 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 2: your division. Pittsburgh's in your division, Baltimore's in your division. 403 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 2: Like the path forward at quarterbacks got to get sorted out. 404 00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:02,399 Speaker 2: After we got off the air Friday, Miles had his 405 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 2: press conference and then he spoke postgame Sunday as well. 406 00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,159 Speaker 2: I know that what the headlines are on it, I 407 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 2: didn't read it that way at all. I didn't read 408 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,560 Speaker 2: it from I just read it from a perspective of 409 00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 2: a guy who's like, man, I want to win. 410 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 6: Ye. 411 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 2: I didn't view it from like I'm gonna, I'm demanding 412 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:25,080 Speaker 2: a trade or anything like that. I didn't read it 413 00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:26,199 Speaker 2: that way at all, and that a lot of the 414 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,639 Speaker 2: headlines I saw kind of painted it that way. I 415 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 2: just think this is a guy at the peak of 416 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 2: his powers who wants to hear what the plan is. 417 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,439 Speaker 2: I didn't think that was there's much controversy to that. 418 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 3: Listen the guys turning twenty nine this Sunday. He is 419 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 3: the first player in the history of the National Football 420 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 3: league to record one hundred sacks before turning twenty nine, 421 00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 3: and had to do it in this game. His birthdays 422 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 3: is literally next Sunday, the day we played the Dolphins. 423 00:21:50,400 --> 00:21:53,159 Speaker 3: Had to be done. This game, got it. And I 424 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,119 Speaker 3: think he is, you know, he is the best player 425 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,719 Speaker 3: on this team, but I you know, Denzel is elite 426 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 3: as well. But Miles gear It's a defensive Player of 427 00:22:00,880 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 3: the Year, is the best player on this team. And 428 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:04,480 Speaker 3: I think he wants He's saying, I need to know 429 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,440 Speaker 3: what the plan is. I'm I'm my window of being 430 00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,159 Speaker 3: great is not open forever. 431 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:10,359 Speaker 7: Now. 432 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 3: He reminds a lot of people of Julius Peppers, But 433 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 3: you know, I don't know if he'll play a career 434 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:17,479 Speaker 3: as long as Julie Peppers for a variety of reasons. 435 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 3: His interests in a great many things. But I think 436 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 3: he's saying, I want to make sure that I'm in 437 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 3: a position where I can win. 438 00:22:25,359 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 4: Yeh. 439 00:22:25,560 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 3: I think that's what's so hard about this season is 440 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:30,760 Speaker 3: I think everybody in this building, everybody on that football team, 441 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:33,760 Speaker 3: when we went to the Greenbrier, everybody believed that this 442 00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:35,679 Speaker 3: team was assembled to do one thing, to win the 443 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:37,280 Speaker 3: AFC North and then to go to compete for a 444 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:43,480 Speaker 3: super Bowl and we're three and twelve, yeah, which nobody 445 00:22:43,520 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 3: saw coming. No, even the most even a skeptical negative 446 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:50,840 Speaker 3: person would have said, oh, they're going to be seven 447 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 3: and ten. Yeah, not staring three and fourteen, you know, 448 00:22:56,359 --> 00:23:03,320 Speaker 3: in the face. And at this point, unfortunately, that's better 449 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:09,080 Speaker 3: for long term than the alternative. Anybody who plays this sport, 450 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 3: you have to play to win, you have to play 451 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:15,720 Speaker 3: all out. But at this point, right now, it's a 452 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 3: This season is over. This season is a rap. It's 453 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 3: about evaluating. And when you say it's about evaluating, it's 454 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 3: about putting yourself in the position best position for the future, 455 00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 3: not only finding out who on your team fits that 456 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 3: that bill, but then also the positioning because unfortunately that 457 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:30,560 Speaker 3: stuff matters. 458 00:23:31,040 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 2: Of course. Yeah, I mean it's not just where you're 459 00:23:34,680 --> 00:23:36,440 Speaker 2: picking in round one, it's where you're picking in round 460 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 2: two and three. 461 00:23:37,400 --> 00:23:41,919 Speaker 3: And the Ravens, the Ravens, with their win, they're alive. 462 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:47,879 Speaker 3: They control their own destiny, don't they. At least the 463 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,800 Speaker 3: Steelers clinch, It would have clinched with a win. They 464 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 3: lost to the Ravens, as we all know. So the 465 00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:59,160 Speaker 3: Steelers and Ravens are have the same record right now, 466 00:23:59,720 --> 00:24:03,159 Speaker 3: so and they split one in one. They both have 467 00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 3: one more division game to go. 468 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 5: So Week eighteen, we're in Baltimore Pittsburgh play Cincinntanzi and 469 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 5: they're gonna have to schedule both of those at the 470 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 5: same time. Will that be on Saturday? Will that be Sunday? 471 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 5: At one? 472 00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 3: Is there are there Saturday games that week? 473 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 2: Oh? 474 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:25,520 Speaker 3: Yes, Week eighteen? They're none listed. Oh yes, it doesn't 475 00:24:25,520 --> 00:24:27,040 Speaker 3: even say is a TBA. Are you sure? 476 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 2: Yeah? Wow, yeah you were. 477 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:33,440 Speaker 5: You are subject to play Saturday, Sunday at any time 478 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,560 Speaker 5: or Monday night, so right now is around the table. 479 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 5: We won't know till Sunday evening, so right now, but. 480 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 3: It doesn't list anything on Saturdays. 481 00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 4: Yah. 482 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 3: Is there a Monday night game the last week? 483 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:50,119 Speaker 5: Yes, that's part of ESPN's thing. There didn't used to 484 00:24:50,160 --> 00:24:52,640 Speaker 5: be Sunday night football, used to be the final one. 485 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:55,720 Speaker 5: There is a Monday night football because now there's a 486 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:56,920 Speaker 5: Monday night wildcard. 487 00:24:57,320 --> 00:25:02,920 Speaker 2: Oh god, we got to get everybody thinking on the 488 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 2: same page as television. By the way, I mean, what 489 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 2: a mess, what a mess? 490 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:07,679 Speaker 8: You? 491 00:25:07,800 --> 00:25:12,439 Speaker 2: Saturday was an abject absurdity to play all that stuff 492 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 2: and what's going to happen on Christmas Day with all 493 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 2: of that, Like, let's let's let's all get on the 494 00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:20,160 Speaker 2: same page. Let's try to do the fans a little 495 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 2: bit of service here with it. 496 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:22,680 Speaker 4: Yeah. 497 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 3: That was crazy, Yes, and unfortunately you had five games 498 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:34,119 Speaker 3: that none of them really were all that compelling. 499 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 2: You're talking about in the which way you are you go? 500 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:39,400 Speaker 2: College football or pro? 501 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 3: Because the pro the five on Saturday were never really 502 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,800 Speaker 3: that close in the city. Houston was never that close. 503 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 3: Pittsburgh Baltimore was close to heel rush through the pick six. 504 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:48,920 Speaker 2: Yeah. 505 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:52,320 Speaker 3: And then the college game, I mean the Buckeyes beating 506 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 3: called it college football night. Hey, throw the ball to 507 00:25:54,840 --> 00:25:57,320 Speaker 3: the best players on the field. Okay, we'll do that. 508 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 3: You're up twenty one, nothing, no big deal. It's hard 509 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,640 Speaker 3: college football on a heater. I am on a heater, 510 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 3: I went. I I mean not that those are hard 511 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 3: to go three for three, but. 512 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 2: The you know, it's fun. This is the This is 513 00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 2: what I would how I would sum up the college 514 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:18,199 Speaker 2: football side of it. Do a couple of minutes. The 515 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:22,440 Speaker 2: reality is there aren't twelve deserving teams in college football. 516 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,800 Speaker 2: College football is not reverse engineered the way the NFL 517 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,560 Speaker 2: is so that everyone's the same. College football is a 518 00:26:30,640 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 2: class system. There are haves and there are have nots, 519 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 2: And yes, on a given Saturday, a team can rise 520 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 2: up and spring an upset. But by and large, the 521 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:44,879 Speaker 2: great teams have the greatest amount of talent. And that's 522 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,159 Speaker 2: the way that this thing has played out this season. 523 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:51,880 Speaker 2: Is the reality is that Tennessee was no more deserving 524 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 2: to play in this thing than Indiana was, or SMU was, 525 00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:58,240 Speaker 2: or Arizona State or s or Boise State or the 526 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:01,480 Speaker 2: rest of them. They do not have a puncher's chance. 527 00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 2: The lines in those games. The smallest one is Ohio 528 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 2: State's at seven, and that's just because people were viewing 529 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 2: it through the eyes of what happened in the Michigan game. 530 00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 3: Michigan game, that's it. 531 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 2: All the rest of them. And by the way, when 532 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 2: you go to the quarterfinals next week, Boise State is 533 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 2: a is a Are they thirteen and a half? And 534 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:21,720 Speaker 2: I think Texas is fourteen and a half over Arizona State? 535 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:25,919 Speaker 2: What are we doing this? There is a huge drop 536 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 2: off from the four or five to the next group 537 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,639 Speaker 2: of them, and it wouldn't have mattered anybody crowing about 538 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 2: Alabama Alabama lost to that Tennessee team and a Vanderbilt 539 00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 2: and Vanderbilt and got housed at Oklahoma, who's terrible, terrible, 540 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 2: and I near anybody saying, well, Tennessee didn't deserve to 541 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:49,280 Speaker 2: be there. I heard Chris Fowler on the broadcast talking 542 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:51,960 Speaker 2: about how the Indiana game wasn't as close as the 543 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 2: final score because Indiana scored late. Brother that should have 544 00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 2: been fifty six to nothing. Ohio State over Tennessee. A 545 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 2: bogus passinger spearance call on the on the interception in 546 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,000 Speaker 2: the end zone that they didn't call on Jeremiah Smith 547 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,360 Speaker 2: when they would have walked in to go up twenty 548 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:10,639 Speaker 2: eight to nothing when he absolutely mugged him. The ridiculous 549 00:28:10,680 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 2: roughing the passer call which gave him another first down 550 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:15,560 Speaker 2: on a third and first. That was that nullified an interception, 551 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:18,199 Speaker 2: that's their first points. Come on that. 552 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,400 Speaker 3: I gotta tell you so. I haven't watched a whole 553 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,800 Speaker 3: lot of Tennessee football, but I came away thinking from 554 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:25,520 Speaker 3: that game being like, they never had a chance. Their 555 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 3: quarterback can't. 556 00:28:26,080 --> 00:28:28,879 Speaker 2: Throw the ball, No, he couldn't read the defense, No 557 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:32,159 Speaker 2: he can run. Yeah, and Tennessee got a garbage touchdown. 558 00:28:32,200 --> 00:28:33,120 Speaker 2: It was forty two to ten. 559 00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, it was a beating. 560 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,600 Speaker 2: And no one threw stones at Tennessee and you're gonna 561 00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:39,360 Speaker 2: go at Indiana and go at smut of people. 562 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 3: A lot of people picked Tennessee to win, which was 563 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:45,040 Speaker 3: not stupid. I know the Buckeyes lost the Michigan but 564 00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:48,600 Speaker 3: race their kryptonite and and in years pass they wouldn't 565 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 3: be in the playoff. But what did I say? If 566 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,600 Speaker 3: they are, just take advantage of the great gifts that 567 00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 3: they have at their disposal. They they're gonna win. They're 568 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:56,560 Speaker 3: gonna win it. 569 00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,120 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're the best team left the three the four 570 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,840 Speaker 2: most talented teams at the start of this year in 571 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 2: college football by any measure, by everyone's measure, or Ohio State, Oregon, 572 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:11,120 Speaker 2: Texas and Georgia and Georgia's without their starting quarterback. Yep. 573 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:14,960 Speaker 2: So that's the reality of it. And by the way 574 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 2: college football did deliver, those environments were awesome. The games 575 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,800 Speaker 2: weren't great because there's an incredible fall off from the 576 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 2: most talented teams to the next group. 577 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 3: The funny thing is, and everybody's saying though, and this 578 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:29,400 Speaker 3: is something that college Football Nate's been debating with people 579 00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,719 Speaker 3: is that they're saying, you know, the nil and all 580 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 3: that has caused more of a it's raised the middle up. 581 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:43,360 Speaker 3: And that may be true maybe, but but that middle 582 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:48,520 Speaker 3: it's still far away from the top. It's like, like 583 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 3: I always talk about using golf as example, somebody use 584 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 3: a scratch golfer. They are in the top one percent 585 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 3: of all golfers on the planet. But the difference between 586 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 3: them and an eighteen handicap, while in stroke wise isn't 587 00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:07,440 Speaker 3: the same, but in terms of their ability to truly 588 00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,840 Speaker 3: play the game is the same difference as it is 589 00:30:09,880 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 3: between them and Bryce and d Schambeau. 590 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:12,880 Speaker 4: Right. 591 00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, so you can raise the middle all you want, 592 00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 3: but the elite elite is still on a different They're 593 00:30:18,080 --> 00:30:21,000 Speaker 3: playing a different sport because they have different talent available 594 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 3: to them. 595 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 2: Yeah. 596 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, It's not what it used to be in the 597 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,520 Speaker 3: sense that you would have those schools where you have 598 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:30,280 Speaker 3: that elite elite talent four deep at every position, because 599 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,239 Speaker 3: now people are transferring out and going and spreading their 600 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 3: wings like beautiful butterflies and playing everywhere. But in terms 601 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,880 Speaker 3: of being able to assemble a roster of that magnitude, 602 00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,040 Speaker 3: there are only a handful of schools that can do it. 603 00:30:40,600 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 2: There is. And the other thing that happened last year 604 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 2: that was that was incredibly a that affected a lot 605 00:30:45,560 --> 00:30:49,120 Speaker 2: of teams is Nick Saban left Alabama and so there 606 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:51,840 Speaker 2: was an exodus of talent. Ohio State got three of them, 607 00:30:52,040 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 2: Texas got a couple of them, Oregon's got one of them. 608 00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 2: Like some of those guys went to other places that 609 00:30:57,560 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 2: lifted those schools. There's no question out that Ohio State 610 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 2: was lifted by Caleb Downs and Seth McLaughlin. No question 611 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,880 Speaker 2: next year you're gonna be lifted by Julian sand Texas. 612 00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,400 Speaker 2: One of texas receivers came from Alabama. One of Oregon's 613 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 2: receivers came from Alabama. Like that's how this, That's what 614 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 2: happens in the sport, that coaching change. So there just 615 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,520 Speaker 2: aren't twelve deserving teams and they force fed it. And 616 00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 2: if you look in for proof of how they force 617 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 2: fed it, just realize there was so little foresight into 618 00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 2: this that the college football playoffs were on TNT, while 619 00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:37,960 Speaker 2: ESPN showed college basketball regular season games on ESPN one 620 00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,280 Speaker 2: and two, and ABC showed the FCS one Double A 621 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,800 Speaker 2: semi final games on ABC Yeah. They didn't do that 622 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:48,959 Speaker 2: because they wanted to. They did it because they contractually 623 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 2: obligated to, because nobody thought there was going to be 624 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:54,120 Speaker 2: a twelve team playoff this quick so they had to 625 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 2: run those games. So their talent was calling games on TNT, 626 00:31:58,240 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 2: who does not have college football talent to do the 627 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:05,160 Speaker 2: actual games. Nobody's thought this was coming this quickly. Nobody, yeah, 628 00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 2: and they. 629 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 5: Forced to say this College game Day on Friday evening 630 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:15,880 Speaker 5: was off the hinges and Nick saban is living his 631 00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 5: best life. I did not realize that all of a sudden, 632 00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,240 Speaker 5: the ESPN is okay with the four letter bombs just 633 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 5: oh yeah, magically appearing. But it was like every half 634 00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 5: hour someone was dropping like Shane gil coach effect, guys, 635 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,240 Speaker 5: that McAfee effect. 636 00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 3: Shane Yillis. 637 00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 2: Shane Gillis put him in a body bag when he 638 00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 2: called him Alabama Alabama Jones over here saying the SEC 639 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:38,800 Speaker 2: never paid anybody. 640 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, and Saved's like, I tried to raise kids with 641 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 3: integrity and make them great professionals, and he's like, okay, 642 00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:46,200 Speaker 3: then it never happened. I got to the Alabama Jones 643 00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:49,680 Speaker 3: getting upset. He was great. Now. I know we all 644 00:32:49,680 --> 00:32:51,800 Speaker 3: say it's the Pat mcafeeing of sports, and like, I 645 00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,640 Speaker 3: get that, but I do think that there is somewhat 646 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 3: and this is going to make me sound like an 647 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 3: old man, they're somewhat of an appuation knowing that kids 648 00:33:01,360 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 3: are watching, Like the stuff about the Buckeye fan and yeah, 649 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 3: I would even say his name, but everybody knows what 650 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 3: I'm talking about, Like, come on. 651 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's it's like the Shane Gillow stuff. 652 00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 3: Funny a brand of profanity here there, Like that's the 653 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,800 Speaker 3: parlance of our times. That's a lexicon. 654 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 5: About someone in his underwearing mom's basement talking blank about 655 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 5: Ohio State. You got to stop paying attention to all that. 656 00:33:27,320 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 2: Here, you know what? You what I have to say 657 00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:29,040 Speaker 2: about to me? 658 00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,560 Speaker 3: That was the only one thing that was over the line. 659 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 3: Was the thing that I think we would all agree 660 00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 3: is that he should have outrageous. 661 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:38,320 Speaker 2: Anyone on that desk should have asked him, Hey, Nick, 662 00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 2: if you never won a national championship at Alabama and 663 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 2: you lost four straight games to Auburn and you did 664 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,880 Speaker 2: not win an SEC title in four straight games, how 665 00:33:47,880 --> 00:33:48,880 Speaker 2: hot would your seat be? 666 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 4: Quite? 667 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:52,960 Speaker 2: Why did no one push back? 668 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:55,040 Speaker 3: Yeah? 669 00:33:55,400 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 2: Why did every one of these guys, These guys Saban 670 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 2: made twelve million a year. It's paid for by the fans. 671 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 2: I tell you, guys, are all boosters pay coaches salaries. 672 00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:10,320 Speaker 2: Boosters pays buyouts. Boosters are paying for rosters. Now, yep, 673 00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 2: the fans are the shareholders in college athletics. They're the shareholders. 674 00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 2: They're the ones paying for it. They all have Netflix, 675 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:21,959 Speaker 2: they all want Netflix. Boosters sign up, pay us fifty 676 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:25,200 Speaker 2: bucks a months, who can pay nil meantime coaches taking 677 00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 2: eleven twelve million. 678 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,279 Speaker 3: It's amazing too. That to your point that when you 679 00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 3: disparage the fan the way that he did, the people 680 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,319 Speaker 3: that are calling, in many cases around the Ohio State 681 00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 3: Organization let's just call it, that are fed up. Are 682 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,880 Speaker 3: the ones that are not in their underwear in their 683 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 3: mom's base. No, they are highly successful executives and multi 684 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 3: multi multi millionaires who want a return on their investment. 685 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:52,080 Speaker 2: That's exactly right, and they're owed that because they're paying 686 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:52,440 Speaker 2: for it. 687 00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 3: They're paying for it. 688 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,799 Speaker 2: Yes, that saint, you're not. 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Visit today timed 702 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,480 Speaker 2: Head to the Podium presented by Vivid Seats purchase your 703 00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:46,439 Speaker 2: official fan Experience Package day for the ultimate game Day. 704 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:48,480 Speaker 2: Here's Coach Stefanski from the podium. 705 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:53,680 Speaker 9: Okay, thanks, Jordan. Injury front, Dorian's working through that CAF injury. 706 00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 9: I'll be able to update you guys as we get 707 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,520 Speaker 9: through the week. Dave Nijoku came out of the game 708 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 9: with a knee injury. Don't have a ton of updates 709 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 9: there again, We'll see how he comes through. You know, 710 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,000 Speaker 9: obviously very proud of him for pushing through that hamstring injury, 711 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 9: and you know, I think it says a lot about 712 00:36:08,680 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 9: Dave and his ability to do that. You know, watching 713 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,879 Speaker 9: the tape obviously feel very similar how we felt after 714 00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 9: the game. We just put ourselves in a hole early 715 00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:22,480 Speaker 9: and struggled to dig ourselves out of that. But you 716 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,640 Speaker 9: have to look at the things that we did early 717 00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,319 Speaker 9: in that ball game to put ourselves behind and those 718 00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:30,880 Speaker 9: are the things that we're addressing today. But with that, 719 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:31,800 Speaker 9: I'll take any questions. 720 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:32,720 Speaker 7: Kevin. 721 00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:36,320 Speaker 10: This isn't the first time you've been asked about Judy 722 00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,839 Speaker 10: getting not getting the ball enough, and you've always responded, yes, 723 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 10: we have to get. 724 00:36:40,520 --> 00:36:41,040 Speaker 7: Him the ball. 725 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,959 Speaker 10: My question is, is that inability to get receiver ball 726 00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:51,160 Speaker 10: more a function of game planning, play calling, or quarterback 727 00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:52,120 Speaker 10: decision making. 728 00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,920 Speaker 9: Well, I think it's a combination of all of those things, Tony. 729 00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 9: When you're talking about any type of target, you know, 730 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,640 Speaker 9: it's our job as coaches to put together a game 731 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:05,480 Speaker 9: plan where you know your best players are obviously the primary, 732 00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 9: but then you have to go with what the defense does. 733 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:09,319 Speaker 4: That's the other piece of it. 734 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,880 Speaker 9: I think Tony, that you have to when you're coaching 735 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 9: the quarterbacks, make sure they understand that the ball goes 736 00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:18,160 Speaker 9: where the ball goes dictated by coverage. Obviously, there's things 737 00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:21,080 Speaker 9: that we do and will always continue to do to 738 00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:24,600 Speaker 9: try to get our guys open. And certainly it's no 739 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,840 Speaker 9: secret that Jerry is a huge, huge part of our offense. 740 00:37:27,880 --> 00:37:30,440 Speaker 9: So it goes without saying that we want him to 741 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 9: touch the ball more. 742 00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 10: Okay, and just to ask you again about Dtr. If 743 00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:39,720 Speaker 10: he is healthy this week, he will start against Miami. 744 00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:44,200 Speaker 8: Yes, yeah, Kevin, just wondering if for some reason Dorian 745 00:37:44,360 --> 00:37:47,600 Speaker 8: isn't healthy, who are you kind of getting ready to 746 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 8: start against the Dolphins. Would that be Bailey or would 747 00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:52,280 Speaker 8: you go back to Jamis? 748 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:57,600 Speaker 9: I think it's probably premature to We will work through that, 749 00:37:57,680 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 9: Mary Kay. I say that just because I got to 750 00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:01,359 Speaker 9: see how Jamis comes with his shoulder injury as well, 751 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,680 Speaker 9: So we have to see how all that shakes out 752 00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 9: this week. 753 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:05,080 Speaker 4: Hey, Kevin, on. 754 00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:07,360 Speaker 11: That dtr calf, I mean, yesterday after the game, you 755 00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 11: thought you expected when to be okay. By Sunday he 756 00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,520 Speaker 11: said he was going to do everything. Does anything changed? 757 00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:13,480 Speaker 11: Do you still optimistic he'll be the guy Sunday. 758 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,279 Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean, he played through it the whole time, 759 00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 9: So you know, give the kid credit for that because 760 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:21,200 Speaker 9: that happened on the first couple of plays. But like anything, 761 00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,560 Speaker 9: like any injury, you just have to be careful and 762 00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:24,640 Speaker 9: make sure that you treat it. 763 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:28,320 Speaker 4: But yeah, of course hopeful, yes, okay. 764 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,080 Speaker 11: And then with him, what can he do better inside 765 00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,839 Speaker 11: the pocket to avoid some of those sacks in some 766 00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:37,120 Speaker 11: of those pressures that he faced yesterday? 767 00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 9: Yeah, I mean I think it's always a combination of things, Scott. 768 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:43,440 Speaker 9: We have to number one, you need to put yourself 769 00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:45,640 Speaker 9: in a position where you don't have to drop back 770 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:49,040 Speaker 9: as often as we have. That's one piece of it. 771 00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,920 Speaker 9: But also it always is a combination of quarterbacks moving 772 00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 9: within the pocket, having the correct depth in the pocket, 773 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,760 Speaker 9: the line setting the depth of the pocket, and the width. 774 00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:59,960 Speaker 9: So everybody has to work together in that regard. 775 00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,920 Speaker 6: Kevin, you know, dtr didn't have any passing yards or 776 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,799 Speaker 6: net passing yards, I should say they're in that first half, 777 00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,959 Speaker 6: but he seemed to kind of get on a little 778 00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 6: bit of a role there in the third quarter. Just 779 00:39:10,600 --> 00:39:13,799 Speaker 6: what did you see from him coming out of the 780 00:39:13,840 --> 00:39:16,719 Speaker 6: locker room and how can he build on that from 781 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,440 Speaker 6: a developmental standpoint in these next couple of weeks. 782 00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,359 Speaker 9: Yeah, I think we played better as a football team 783 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,920 Speaker 9: in the second half there. Daryl obviously made some plays 784 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:30,080 Speaker 9: there with Dorian with his feet first and foremost. I 785 00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 9: thought he did a nice job of gaining some first 786 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,759 Speaker 9: downs with his feet, and then they did a nice 787 00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,399 Speaker 9: job spreading the ball around to our guys when those 788 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:38,960 Speaker 9: opportunities presented themselves. 789 00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:41,920 Speaker 6: And we just we've talked so much about the turnovers 790 00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 6: these last two years. You even mentioned, you know, the 791 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,080 Speaker 6: thirty seven you had a year ago. You're up to 792 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:51,319 Speaker 6: thirty this year. You know, how do you as you 793 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:56,680 Speaker 6: wind this season down? I guess evaluate how you guys 794 00:39:56,719 --> 00:40:01,080 Speaker 6: as coaches can I guess, you know, work on that 795 00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:04,359 Speaker 6: more in practice, or change how you work on it 796 00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,200 Speaker 6: or whatnot so you can slow those down come twenty 797 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:08,799 Speaker 6: twenty five. 798 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:11,279 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think I understand the question. 799 00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:15,680 Speaker 9: I think big picture, I'll save the reflections if you will. 800 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:20,359 Speaker 9: As you can imagine, you're constantly coaching ball security when 801 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,080 Speaker 9: it comes to the offense, and that can be as 802 00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 9: simple as technique from center quarterback exchange to the quarterback 803 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 9: handing the ball, the running back to quarterbacks, decision making. Really, 804 00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:33,239 Speaker 9: it factors into so many of those things because we 805 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,640 Speaker 9: know how important that is when you're talking about. 806 00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:36,120 Speaker 4: Winning and losing. 807 00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 9: So but in terms of the big picture, Daryl, I'd 808 00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,200 Speaker 9: say I'd save some of those thoughts until after the season. 809 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,880 Speaker 12: Hey, Kevin, just a few quick ones then, So, do 810 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,400 Speaker 12: you think David's going to try to play against Miami 811 00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:49,799 Speaker 12: or are you ruling him out? 812 00:40:50,400 --> 00:40:51,399 Speaker 4: No, not ruling them out. 813 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,800 Speaker 9: I don't have all the information yet, just yet, Ashley. 814 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 9: I'll update you guys one appropriate as you can imagine. 815 00:40:57,040 --> 00:40:58,279 Speaker 9: If he can play, he'll play. 816 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,520 Speaker 12: And then what about said and ruling him out? And 817 00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 12: do you guys expect him to practice this week or 818 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:05,440 Speaker 12: how's he coming through the protocol? 819 00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,719 Speaker 9: Yeah, still making his way through the protocol and we'll 820 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 9: be obviously patient with this and make sure he's you know, 821 00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 9: accomplishing all the appropriate steps. But we'll see how it goes. 822 00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,920 Speaker 13: Hey, Kevin, I know that Dustin Hopkins has a process 823 00:41:20,960 --> 00:41:23,359 Speaker 13: and he kind of sticks to it, stays confident in that. 824 00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:27,719 Speaker 13: Is there at any point though, where you see some 825 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 13: of those struggles and you want to maybe insert a 826 00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:33,239 Speaker 13: different process, kind of have him switch it up, have 827 00:41:33,360 --> 00:41:36,000 Speaker 13: him try something new or do you kind of let 828 00:41:36,080 --> 00:41:38,320 Speaker 13: that process play out despite. 829 00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,560 Speaker 9: That, Well, I think to your question, Cam, I think 830 00:41:41,560 --> 00:41:43,160 Speaker 9: we have to work through it. I think it's something 831 00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:46,759 Speaker 9: that he's continuing to work through. Obviously wants to get 832 00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 9: his technique back down where he feels really good about it, 833 00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:51,759 Speaker 9: and we'll just work through it. 834 00:41:52,080 --> 00:41:53,280 Speaker 4: Is really the bottom line. 835 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,640 Speaker 8: Yeah, Kevin, just wondering, I'm not sure if you said 836 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,719 Speaker 8: this already or not, but is Dave having an MRI? 837 00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,839 Speaker 9: Yes, but I don't have all the information yet on 838 00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:05,080 Speaker 9: the injury, Okay. 839 00:42:05,440 --> 00:42:08,920 Speaker 8: And then the other question is, in the event that 840 00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,680 Speaker 8: Bailey has to start or if not, maybe service the 841 00:42:12,680 --> 00:42:15,360 Speaker 8: backup again, what have you seen in him in his 842 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:17,000 Speaker 8: short time here to show you that he could go 843 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:17,720 Speaker 8: in there and function. 844 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,200 Speaker 9: Well, yeah, we have confidence in all of our guys, 845 00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 9: Mary Kay, I think Bailey has done a nice job 846 00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,239 Speaker 9: since he's gotten here picking up the system. I think 847 00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,640 Speaker 9: he probably had the system down after about a day. 848 00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:31,480 Speaker 9: Very intelligent. And then there's some similarities to what he 849 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:33,560 Speaker 9: was doing when he was in New England this summer, 850 00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:37,120 Speaker 9: so really understands what we have to do. He's done 851 00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 9: a nice job in practice. So but we'll see where 852 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:41,000 Speaker 9: this week takes us. 853 00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:42,719 Speaker 11: Hey, Kevin, I know what we see Miles do a 854 00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:44,960 Speaker 11: bunch of you know, freak stuff. But did you get 855 00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,719 Speaker 11: a good view of him chasing down Burrow towards your 856 00:42:47,719 --> 00:42:50,360 Speaker 11: guy's sideline yesterday? And did that just looked different to 857 00:42:50,440 --> 00:42:53,120 Speaker 11: me the speed he was using in that effort to 858 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:53,680 Speaker 11: get to him. 859 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,040 Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, obviously I had a good view of 860 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:57,719 Speaker 9: that when it happened live and then had a good 861 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,279 Speaker 9: view of it just watching the tape and listen that 862 00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:06,279 Speaker 9: that's a unbelievable effort play to run him down, to 863 00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:10,920 Speaker 9: contact him in bounds, you know, versus a player that 864 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,239 Speaker 9: we know is very, very elusive. So uh, that's when 865 00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,000 Speaker 9: when we're at our best. That's that's our defense flying 866 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:17,600 Speaker 9: around the field. 867 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 11: And then my mood when he got the neutral zone 868 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,239 Speaker 11: when they were the one looked like he objected you 869 00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:27,520 Speaker 11: did he go offside? And if so, how frustrating because 870 00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,279 Speaker 11: obviously that's what they were trying to do is get 871 00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:30,120 Speaker 11: him to jump offside. 872 00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:32,879 Speaker 9: Listen, my Mood is a young player. He's a very 873 00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:37,719 Speaker 9: very smart player. That was not his best play. That's 874 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,279 Speaker 9: that's not indicative of the type of player he is, 875 00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:43,080 Speaker 9: and he will learn from that, and honestly, our entire 876 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:44,400 Speaker 9: team will learn from that. 877 00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:45,200 Speaker 4: Thanks Jordan. 878 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,959 Speaker 14: Hey, Kevin, and I apologize if you were asked about 879 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:51,040 Speaker 14: this yesterday. On Friday, Miles talked about not wanting to 880 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,560 Speaker 14: go through a rebuild again here, and you know, I 881 00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,560 Speaker 14: know you don't want to share any conversations you've had 882 00:43:55,560 --> 00:43:58,960 Speaker 14: with it personally, but can you appreciate, you know, his frustration, 883 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:01,320 Speaker 14: and I know you would probably always encourage your players 884 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,120 Speaker 14: to speak their minds when they have the opportunity. 885 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,279 Speaker 9: Yeah, like you said, Tom, any conversations I'd keep with 886 00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:09,480 Speaker 9: our guys, and I have a lot of conversations with 887 00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:13,680 Speaker 9: our guys, so they know that they can share their 888 00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,680 Speaker 9: opinions with me and it will always be that way. 889 00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:19,680 Speaker 4: Obviously, Miles. 890 00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:23,120 Speaker 9: All of our guys are extremely competitive and they want 891 00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:26,120 Speaker 9: to obviously win these games. We want to win this 892 00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:29,000 Speaker 9: one versus Miami. Is that's our focus, all right? 893 00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:29,440 Speaker 7: Kevin? 894 00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:33,600 Speaker 10: That was Ken Dorsey's first game calling plays for Dorian. 895 00:44:34,200 --> 00:44:37,800 Speaker 10: What is the natural growth process between play caller and 896 00:44:37,840 --> 00:44:40,360 Speaker 10: a brand new quarterback? Should we expect that to be 897 00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:42,320 Speaker 10: as good right off the bat? 898 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:45,760 Speaker 9: I think it always is dependent on so many things, Tony. 899 00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,440 Speaker 9: I think we can play better as a team. We 900 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,680 Speaker 9: can play better as an offense starting this week. There's 901 00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,279 Speaker 9: things that I know we can improve upon. Obviously, when 902 00:44:54,520 --> 00:44:57,480 Speaker 9: you have a young quarterback out there for the first 903 00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,520 Speaker 9: time this season as a starter, you're learning about him 904 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:03,600 Speaker 9: with every rep. You're learning about him with every rep 905 00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,240 Speaker 9: at practice as well. So we'll take all those learnings 906 00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,560 Speaker 9: and apply them as we move forward. 907 00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:11,839 Speaker 10: And my other question about DTR is all of us 908 00:45:12,160 --> 00:45:15,760 Speaker 10: on the outside of the building have our own opinion 909 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:21,120 Speaker 10: on DTR. Do you personally know what his ceiling is 910 00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:21,840 Speaker 10: in the NFL? 911 00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:25,000 Speaker 9: I think with any young player, I would tell you, Tony, 912 00:45:25,160 --> 00:45:29,520 Speaker 9: that's always a something that you're looking towards achieving with 913 00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:33,319 Speaker 9: your guys. Young players need reps to get better. I 914 00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,360 Speaker 9: see a young player in his second year that's getting 915 00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:37,400 Speaker 9: better with reps. 916 00:45:37,880 --> 00:45:42,520 Speaker 8: Yeah, Kevin, Given Dorian's calf injury and Jamibes's shoulder injury, 917 00:45:43,160 --> 00:45:46,240 Speaker 8: would you maybe try to have him run a little 918 00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:50,279 Speaker 8: bit less both on you RPOs and different things like that, 919 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:52,880 Speaker 8: and just scrambling around and putting himself kind of in 920 00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:54,680 Speaker 8: harms way the way he sometimes does. 921 00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,480 Speaker 4: I would say it's a little it's early. 922 00:45:56,560 --> 00:45:59,160 Speaker 9: Mary Kage just to see how he progresses through this 923 00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,160 Speaker 9: week and with the injury. Like I said, he played 924 00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:05,799 Speaker 9: the entire game with this injury, so we'll just see 925 00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:06,640 Speaker 9: how he progresses. 926 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:08,480 Speaker 11: Thanks coach, appreciate it. 927 00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:09,640 Speaker 4: Okay, thanks guys. 928 00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:12,200 Speaker 2: All right back for another season from your favorite four 929 00:46:12,280 --> 00:46:15,560 Speaker 2: leg companion is Year three of Barking Backers, presented by Milkbone, 930 00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,800 Speaker 2: the fan club for dogs. If your membership options and 931 00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:20,600 Speaker 2: joined today at Barkingbackers dot com, we'll take a look 932 00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,919 Speaker 2: at the NFL playoff picture with two weeks and one 933 00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:25,680 Speaker 2: game remaining. That's coming up next. 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Drink Smart Quick. 951 00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,920 Speaker 2: Look at the NFC playoff picture, it was shaken up 952 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:28,160 Speaker 2: bigly by the loss of Jalen Hurts in the Philly 953 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:31,440 Speaker 2: game as they end up losing to Washington. The other 954 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:33,759 Speaker 2: big development here is Michael Penix look prett damn good 955 00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:36,640 Speaker 2: quarterback in Atlanta well. 956 00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,759 Speaker 3: In their defense, that scored twice in that game, and 957 00:47:39,200 --> 00:47:43,719 Speaker 3: the Giants looked woefully incompetent in that. I think the 958 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:48,520 Speaker 3: big I think the big development is actually Tampa Bay 959 00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:54,080 Speaker 3: losing to Dallas crazy crazy. That is a massive, massive, 960 00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,440 Speaker 3: massive loss in that one. Pennis definitely can sling the 961 00:47:57,440 --> 00:47:59,160 Speaker 3: ball a little bit. Eighteen to twenty seven two oh 962 00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,560 Speaker 3: two did row a pick not his fault though that 963 00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:02,880 Speaker 3: was off Kyle Pitts's hands. 964 00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:07,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, the PFF guys were really high on his on 965 00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,560 Speaker 2: his his performance, on his performance, yeah, yeay, I mean 966 00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:13,360 Speaker 2: look good and they're I mean, the Giants are woefully 967 00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:14,439 Speaker 2: incompetent right now. 968 00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:18,200 Speaker 3: Smart Tampa Bay. Tampa Bay to lose to Dallas, that 969 00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:22,960 Speaker 3: was a that is a big, big, big loss. 970 00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:26,560 Speaker 2: The Jalen Hurts issue. I mean, because there was a 971 00:48:26,600 --> 00:48:29,000 Speaker 2: time you thought, Okay, they may end up getting the 972 00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:30,839 Speaker 2: buye in the one seed. Then he goes out early 973 00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,840 Speaker 2: with the concussion, and then that changed everything. Pickets in 974 00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:36,720 Speaker 2: there and he's obviously that's an incredible step back from Hurts. 975 00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,160 Speaker 2: So the way it shakes down right now, Detroit is 976 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:41,480 Speaker 2: the one, they responded as we knew that they would 977 00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:44,560 Speaker 2: thirty four to seventeen. Philly right now is the two. 978 00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:49,640 Speaker 2: Just Rammant is the three. Atlanta is now back in 979 00:48:50,160 --> 00:48:54,600 Speaker 2: with Pennix. They're the four. Minnesota is thirteen and two. 980 00:48:55,239 --> 00:48:57,040 Speaker 2: For crying out loud, they are the five. 981 00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:01,040 Speaker 3: They played Detroit in week eighteen, so that could be 982 00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:04,160 Speaker 3: for the guy interesting host green Bay. 983 00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,800 Speaker 5: They play green Bay. The NFL just announced they're moving 984 00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:14,120 Speaker 5: games Sunday Oh really, Dallas Philly's been moved up to 985 00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:17,160 Speaker 5: one o'clock because it was just us and them at 986 00:49:17,160 --> 00:49:19,400 Speaker 5: four four in the four o'clock window. 987 00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:20,479 Speaker 2: Uh huh uh. 988 00:49:21,080 --> 00:49:25,799 Speaker 5: Green Bay and Minnesota now at four to twenty five 989 00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,520 Speaker 5: on Fox. We're on CBS, and I'm pretty sure at 990 00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,160 Speaker 5: four o'clock only in Cleveland and Miami. Can you watch 991 00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:32,600 Speaker 5: that game? 992 00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:33,440 Speaker 3: Yeah? 993 00:49:33,600 --> 00:49:37,880 Speaker 2: I bet so, I bet so. Washington in as the seven. 994 00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:40,400 Speaker 2: So this this is going to just come down to. 995 00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:42,799 Speaker 2: Right now, the Rams have a one game lead on 996 00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,200 Speaker 2: Seattle for the division. The winner there will be in, 997 00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:48,840 Speaker 2: the loser will be out, and then Tampa Bay just 998 00:49:48,840 --> 00:49:51,040 Speaker 2: an incredible loss because they do not have the tie 999 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:54,800 Speaker 2: breakers with Atlanta. Atlanta's beaten them already twice yep. 1000 00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,120 Speaker 3: And now Atlanta controls its own destiny. But Atlanta has 1001 00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:04,560 Speaker 3: a tougher go of it, certainly than does the the 1002 00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:08,200 Speaker 3: Tampa Bay Buccaneers. The Bucks home Carolina home New Orleans. 1003 00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:13,600 Speaker 3: Now Carolina almost beat them last time. Atlanta is at 1004 00:50:13,680 --> 00:50:16,080 Speaker 3: Washington home Carolina, so they are going to have to 1005 00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:19,839 Speaker 3: beat Washington in Washington Sunday Night football this weekend if 1006 00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:22,600 Speaker 3: they want to get in. I don't think anybody's getting in. 1007 00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:24,879 Speaker 3: I think it's either Tampa or Seattle are only getting 1008 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:29,359 Speaker 3: in by winning their division. The Rams play Arizona at home, 1009 00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,120 Speaker 3: Seattle at home. Seattle is at Chicago at the Rams. 1010 00:50:33,960 --> 00:50:36,680 Speaker 2: So last week that Rams think about that. 1011 00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:40,520 Speaker 3: Seattle's got a lot of juice. In the last week. 1012 00:50:41,040 --> 00:50:43,560 Speaker 3: Detroit Minnesota could be for the number one seed. In 1013 00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:47,000 Speaker 3: the last week. Minnesota has a tough final two. They 1014 00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:51,080 Speaker 3: go green Bay at home at Detroit. Detroit's at San Francisco. 1015 00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:56,080 Speaker 3: Who's reeling home for Minnesota. Philly is home, Dallas home 1016 00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:03,120 Speaker 3: the Giants, and then Washington has the Washington's got Atlanta 1017 00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:08,120 Speaker 3: at home, and then they must have Philly. No, Philly's 1018 00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:09,200 Speaker 3: got the Giants there, so. 1019 00:51:09,200 --> 00:51:10,600 Speaker 2: They maybe the Dallas. 1020 00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:12,759 Speaker 3: Do they not play it? Yeah, they play at they 1021 00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:16,440 Speaker 3: get at Dallas at they have Atlanta at home at Dallas. 1022 00:51:16,640 --> 00:51:19,160 Speaker 2: That'll be the batch up of the guys who finished 1023 00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,120 Speaker 2: first and second last year in the Heisman when Atlanta 1024 00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:22,000 Speaker 2: and Washington battle. 1025 00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:24,120 Speaker 3: YEP boot your. 1026 00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:25,920 Speaker 2: Game day this season with the bally Bet Sportsbook APT 1027 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,560 Speaker 2: Please your first bet at twenty five bucks more. You 1028 00:51:27,560 --> 00:51:29,759 Speaker 2: get one hundred and fifty back in bonus bets. 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Time for the Joe Thomas Half hour 1039 00:52:07,840 --> 00:52:09,759 Speaker 2: of the program. The Hoff joins us for the next 1040 00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:11,760 Speaker 2: thirty on the Twisted Datline brought to you by Twisted 1041 00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,080 Speaker 2: T Hard iced T, official sponsor for your Cleveland Browns. 1042 00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:17,160 Speaker 2: Keep it Twisted Cleveland. All right, So we are a 1043 00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,719 Speaker 2: college football Hall of Famer. We are a Pro football 1044 00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:23,839 Speaker 2: Hall of Famer. We have coached in Germany. We've been 1045 00:52:23,920 --> 00:52:27,120 Speaker 2: on a game show with The Rock where he could 1046 00:52:27,120 --> 00:52:31,600 Speaker 2: not believe your athleticism. And yet tonight Obaby will also 1047 00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,719 Speaker 2: do something that I have to imagine was pretty hard 1048 00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:36,800 Speaker 2: to wrap around the head of a young Joe Thomas 1049 00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:39,320 Speaker 2: and that is you are going to call an NFL 1050 00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,239 Speaker 2: game at Lambeau how's that all sit? 1051 00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,720 Speaker 7: Yeah, a baby, and I get to do with my partner, 1052 00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:52,200 Speaker 7: Kevin Harlan, one of the legends in sports play by 1053 00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:54,759 Speaker 7: play media. So it's gonna be a lot of fun. 1054 00:52:54,840 --> 00:52:58,319 Speaker 7: I think walking into the stadium is always special, even 1055 00:52:58,360 --> 00:53:00,920 Speaker 7: if you didn't grow up in Wisconsin. Talking to players 1056 00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:04,120 Speaker 7: throughout the league, they always talk about playing in Lambelefield 1057 00:53:04,200 --> 00:53:06,640 Speaker 7: is one of the more special places that you get 1058 00:53:06,640 --> 00:53:09,200 Speaker 7: to play. History that goes into it in the fact 1059 00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,040 Speaker 7: that it feels like you're playing in the college stadium. 1060 00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,799 Speaker 7: You go through basically a tiny little neighborhood and all 1061 00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,440 Speaker 7: of a sudden, bammed Lambeau Field right in front of 1062 00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:19,479 Speaker 7: your face. People are parking in everybody's front yard and 1063 00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:21,959 Speaker 7: you walk into the stadium. My dad and my son 1064 00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:23,319 Speaker 7: get to go to the game to night with me. 1065 00:53:24,040 --> 00:53:27,120 Speaker 7: A little sideline passes. Jack doesn't know about that yet. 1066 00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,960 Speaker 7: It's a little Christmas surprise for him. So yeah, it's 1067 00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:32,080 Speaker 7: gonna be h It's gonna be a great night. 1068 00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:39,239 Speaker 3: That's awesome, Hoffa and certainly very very well deserved. When 1069 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,200 Speaker 3: you're saying so you're going. You're on your way now. 1070 00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,520 Speaker 3: It sounds like we're in we're en route, We're in 1071 00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:44,279 Speaker 3: root right now. 1072 00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,279 Speaker 7: Yeah, we're in route right now, driving through a couple 1073 00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,839 Speaker 7: of inches of snow here as you'd expect driving through 1074 00:53:50,000 --> 00:53:52,440 Speaker 7: Wisconsin going up to Title town there in Lambeau. 1075 00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:56,240 Speaker 3: So you're on the way and then Jack's coming later. 1076 00:53:57,960 --> 00:53:59,840 Speaker 7: Yeah, my dad's gonna come up pick him up, and 1077 00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:02,279 Speaker 7: then they're going down because as you know, being a 1078 00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,759 Speaker 7: big B media guy there and you got to get 1079 00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,640 Speaker 7: there a little early for shaking hands and kissing babies 1080 00:54:07,640 --> 00:54:10,279 Speaker 7: on the sideline doing pregame stuff. So I'll be there 1081 00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,200 Speaker 7: a little bit earlier and then Jack and my dad 1082 00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,000 Speaker 7: will come a couple hours after. 1083 00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,040 Speaker 3: Three generations on the sidelines at Lambo. 1084 00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:18,480 Speaker 7: That is. 1085 00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:22,120 Speaker 3: That's pretty special. Make sure you get a picture, huff, 1086 00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:23,720 Speaker 3: make sure that you get somebody to take a picture 1087 00:54:23,719 --> 00:54:23,960 Speaker 3: of the. 1088 00:54:26,120 --> 00:54:29,080 Speaker 7: I'm gonna set a reminder on my phone aka text 1089 00:54:29,160 --> 00:54:31,200 Speaker 7: dates in the text me. You can be my personal 1090 00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,439 Speaker 7: Assistan today take a picture with your son and your dad. 1091 00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:36,680 Speaker 3: I will I'll send one. I'll send one at some 1092 00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,560 Speaker 3: point tonight for sure, just to be to look out 1093 00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:43,640 Speaker 3: for you. Ah, Unfortunately, you had the I wouldn't say privileged, 1094 00:54:43,680 --> 00:54:46,759 Speaker 3: but you had the uh, the reality of being in 1095 00:54:46,840 --> 00:54:50,240 Speaker 3: situations like the Browns currently find themselves at various points 1096 00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:54,200 Speaker 3: throughout your career. It's just right now, it's every week. 1097 00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,960 Speaker 3: It's the turnovers, it's the self inflicted wounds. That really 1098 00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,160 Speaker 3: has been that way all season. We've seen it. The Browns, 1099 00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,160 Speaker 3: you know, number two in turnovers for the season, number 1100 00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,360 Speaker 3: one over the last over the second half of the season, 1101 00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:07,560 Speaker 3: they're you know, top seven in penalties, number one in 1102 00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:12,480 Speaker 3: pre snap penalties. What causes that to be a week in, 1103 00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:14,960 Speaker 3: week out problem? And how does that get fixed? 1104 00:55:17,440 --> 00:55:20,799 Speaker 7: Well, when you're coaching in the NFL, they say, you 1105 00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,080 Speaker 7: can't focus on everything. Right, If you coach them to 1106 00:55:23,120 --> 00:55:24,880 Speaker 7: do everything, you're gonna get nothing. So you got to 1107 00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:28,799 Speaker 7: focus on one thing or the next. And I think 1108 00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:35,520 Speaker 7: obviously penalties, missed assignments, those type of mental errors have 1109 00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:39,640 Speaker 7: been killing us, right, And I think Kevin Stevanski and 1110 00:55:39,680 --> 00:55:44,080 Speaker 7: company have probably been emphasizing other things, right. They've been 1111 00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:49,879 Speaker 7: emphasizing I think, maybe more of the schematic details of Hey, 1112 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:51,680 Speaker 7: you got to line up here, you got to be here, 1113 00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:55,600 Speaker 7: you got to get this leverage on this player because 1114 00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:59,360 Speaker 7: for whatever reason, they felt like that was more important 1115 00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:01,760 Speaker 7: in that moment. And I think maybe it's a reflection 1116 00:56:01,880 --> 00:56:05,200 Speaker 7: of where some of the players are on this team. 1117 00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:09,000 Speaker 7: You've got guys that are veterans that know exactly what 1118 00:56:09,040 --> 00:56:12,840 Speaker 7: they're doing. You can kind of focus in on different things, 1119 00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:14,680 Speaker 7: and you don't have to go to the basics on 1120 00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:16,920 Speaker 7: a lot of this stuff. And so maybe part of 1121 00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,880 Speaker 7: it is offensively potentially bringing in a new scheme and 1122 00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:23,040 Speaker 7: trying to blend some of Ken Dorsey's stuff coming in 1123 00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:27,400 Speaker 7: from Buffalo, trying to introduce some of the gun runs 1124 00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:30,040 Speaker 7: and the gun play action things. And so when you've 1125 00:56:30,080 --> 00:56:32,600 Speaker 7: got some new stuff that you're putting on offense, you're 1126 00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,600 Speaker 7: trying to figure out, all right, this is where you 1127 00:56:34,600 --> 00:56:37,799 Speaker 7: line up, These are the basics of these plays. And 1128 00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,000 Speaker 7: as you layer those things on, then you can kind 1129 00:56:40,000 --> 00:56:43,759 Speaker 7: of turn your focus away from basically just installing what 1130 00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,120 Speaker 7: are all the addendums we have to make when the 1131 00:56:46,160 --> 00:56:50,680 Speaker 7: defense changes these things? And so I think some of 1132 00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:54,880 Speaker 7: those things potentially got overlooked book When Eric Mangini was 1133 00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:57,919 Speaker 7: here in two thousand and nine and ten, I think 1134 00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:01,200 Speaker 7: we were great. We never had any penalties, like, we 1135 00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:04,239 Speaker 7: never had any self inflicted wounds. But we weren't very 1136 00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:06,839 Speaker 7: good football players because that's all he focused on, right. 1137 00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:10,239 Speaker 7: It came from New England where it was Bill Belichick 1138 00:57:10,280 --> 00:57:12,680 Speaker 7: and he harped on penalties and turnovers, and so we 1139 00:57:12,719 --> 00:57:16,320 Speaker 7: really didn't make those type of mistakes, but we focused 1140 00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:19,360 Speaker 7: so much on that that we didn't really execute very 1141 00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:23,320 Speaker 7: well on the offense. And so I think it's part 1142 00:57:23,320 --> 00:57:26,800 Speaker 7: of it's who you got installing a new offense and 1143 00:57:26,840 --> 00:57:30,160 Speaker 7: what you have opportunity to emphasize. And I'm sure at 1144 00:57:30,200 --> 00:57:32,640 Speaker 7: the end of the season, Kevin and company are going 1145 00:57:32,680 --> 00:57:34,640 Speaker 7: to go back and look and say, hey, you know what, 1146 00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:38,920 Speaker 7: even though it may hurt installing some of the schematic stuff, 1147 00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,320 Speaker 7: installing some of the details of what we want to 1148 00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:43,960 Speaker 7: do each week from a game plan standpoint, we just 1149 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:47,920 Speaker 7: need to harp on the basics of don't make penalties, 1150 00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,800 Speaker 7: know where you got to line up, and eliminate self 1151 00:57:51,840 --> 00:57:55,160 Speaker 7: inflicted wounds, because that'll kill you faster than anything else. 1152 00:57:56,120 --> 00:57:58,800 Speaker 2: If you've been in the you've been in a situation 1153 00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:02,360 Speaker 2: similar to Miles where you've been in your prime and 1154 00:58:03,320 --> 00:58:05,320 Speaker 2: you look around you go, this is a roster I 1155 00:58:06,160 --> 00:58:09,439 Speaker 2: don't know about. I read his comments Friday and again 1156 00:58:09,560 --> 00:58:12,120 Speaker 2: again post game Sunday, is like, Man, I just really 1157 00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:13,880 Speaker 2: want to win and I just want to know what 1158 00:58:13,880 --> 00:58:15,520 Speaker 2: the plan is going forward. I didn't read it as 1159 00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,920 Speaker 2: anything more than that. He picks up sack number one 1160 00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:20,080 Speaker 2: hundred Sunday as well, which means he's the youngest to 1161 00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:24,360 Speaker 2: ever get to one hundred sacks, So a big moment there. 1162 00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:27,080 Speaker 2: How did you you know him? Well, how did you 1163 00:58:27,160 --> 00:58:29,640 Speaker 2: read his comments Friday and Sunday? 1164 00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,080 Speaker 7: Well, first of all, I think you have to view 1165 00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:36,920 Speaker 7: it through the lens of this is a tough season, 1166 00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,160 Speaker 7: and when you're dealing with a tough season, you don't 1167 00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:41,440 Speaker 7: have as many fun things to talk about, and so 1168 00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:46,000 Speaker 7: when players make comments, especially your most important players like 1169 00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,400 Speaker 7: a Miles Garrett, right, they get dissected a little bit 1170 00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:52,640 Speaker 7: more than in a normal situation. Well, that said, I 1171 00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:54,560 Speaker 7: think it was probably sixty forty. I think it was 1172 00:58:55,000 --> 00:58:57,280 Speaker 7: sixty percent him just saying, look, I want to win, 1173 00:58:57,480 --> 00:58:59,640 Speaker 7: like that is the most important thing for me, and 1174 00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,920 Speaker 7: if this is not going to be a win now situation, 1175 00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:04,800 Speaker 7: then I don't want to be part of it. Like 1176 00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:07,880 Speaker 7: the home stretch of his career, however long he wants 1177 00:59:07,920 --> 00:59:10,040 Speaker 7: to play, he wants to be on a winning team. 1178 00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:13,200 Speaker 7: Gook good for him, Like, yes, I think we all do. 1179 00:59:13,600 --> 00:59:16,120 Speaker 7: And I think he's just holding everybody's feet to the 1180 00:59:16,120 --> 00:59:19,200 Speaker 7: fire a little bit and saying, I don't want to 1181 00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,640 Speaker 7: be here if the goal is not year in and 1182 00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,120 Speaker 7: year out to win, if this is a tear down 1183 00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,560 Speaker 7: rebuild like it was when he got here in twenty 1184 00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:30,360 Speaker 7: and seventeen, He's not interested in being part of a rebuild, 1185 00:59:30,560 --> 00:59:33,440 Speaker 7: which I get it. I think that's a noble thing 1186 00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,880 Speaker 7: for him to say. But I think forty percent was 1187 00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:41,440 Speaker 7: probably him reflecting because of reaching that hundred stack milestone, 1188 00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:44,960 Speaker 7: the youngest person ever do it, fourth fastest of all time, 1189 00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:49,920 Speaker 7: tied with Bruce Smith. Excuse me, he still got a 1190 00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:54,160 Speaker 7: little tickle at my throat from last weekend. I think 1191 00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,040 Speaker 7: he's had a chance to reflect on his legacy a 1192 00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,240 Speaker 7: little bit. And when guys reached that stage in their career, 1193 00:59:59,240 --> 01:00:01,600 Speaker 7: when they feel like they've done a lot and they're 1194 01:00:01,600 --> 01:00:03,479 Speaker 7: probably knocking on the door of the Hall of Fame, 1195 01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:07,000 Speaker 7: they do start thinking about legacy. And for pass rushers 1196 01:00:07,000 --> 01:00:11,280 Speaker 7: it's sacks. You know, sacks, all pros. Those are the 1197 01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:14,720 Speaker 7: things that separate yourself at the top of the list 1198 01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:16,920 Speaker 7: of the all time greats, and so I think some 1199 01:00:17,000 --> 01:00:21,280 Speaker 7: of that reflection probably led him whereas earlier and in 1200 01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:23,800 Speaker 7: the season or early, excuse me, earlier in his career, 1201 01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:27,120 Speaker 7: he probably wouldn't have maybe made any public comments. I 1202 01:00:27,120 --> 01:00:31,000 Speaker 7: think it's led him to feel confident and feel needed 1203 01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:33,280 Speaker 7: where he had to say something about, Hey, look, guys, 1204 01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:36,440 Speaker 7: my legacy is important to me. I want to win now. 1205 01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,880 Speaker 7: I want to win the last part of my career 1206 01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:44,280 Speaker 7: because one, it's what being an NFL player is all about, 1207 01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:47,480 Speaker 7: winning championships. And then two, it's like it's going to 1208 01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:51,480 Speaker 7: be hard for him to reach the pinnacle the potential 1209 01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:54,560 Speaker 7: of his legacy with the ability that he has, unless 1210 01:00:54,560 --> 01:00:57,040 Speaker 7: he's on ase. It's going to be really hard for 1211 01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:59,880 Speaker 7: him to reach that unless he's on a team that's 1212 01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:01,800 Speaker 7: winning games, because you've got to be winning games in 1213 01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,280 Speaker 7: the fourth quarter to get one on ones, to get 1214 01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:08,080 Speaker 7: opportunities to affect the quarterback, to sack the quarterback. And 1215 01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:10,080 Speaker 7: I think that's really important for him. 1216 01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:14,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, he said, you know, he also joined Lawrence 1217 01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:16,720 Speaker 3: Taylor as the only two players to have five straight 1218 01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:20,320 Speaker 3: twelve SAX seasons, and he said that that's great honor, 1219 01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:22,560 Speaker 3: but he said, the reason we all remember Lawrence Taylor's 1220 01:01:22,560 --> 01:01:26,560 Speaker 3: because he won Super Bowls is he won. And you 1221 01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:29,720 Speaker 3: can tell that that is eating at Miles Garrett. Miles 1222 01:01:29,720 --> 01:01:33,120 Speaker 3: Garrett's career right now is what two playoff appearances and 1223 01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:37,880 Speaker 3: one playoff win, and he wants more and understandably so. 1224 01:01:38,040 --> 01:01:41,840 Speaker 3: And I think that's why this Brown's offseason is so 1225 01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:44,959 Speaker 3: important and could go in so many different directions coming 1226 01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,920 Speaker 3: off of this which was, you know, obviously an incredibly 1227 01:01:47,960 --> 01:01:51,880 Speaker 3: disappointing season that fell so short of expectations. 1228 01:01:53,560 --> 01:01:57,560 Speaker 7: Yeah, and look, guys, numbers matter, right, your sacks matter, 1229 01:01:57,960 --> 01:02:03,920 Speaker 7: all pros things like that. But it's the individual highlights, 1230 01:02:03,960 --> 01:02:06,600 Speaker 7: the moments that we remember that are the things that 1231 01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,960 Speaker 7: stick with fans, that stick with not only Browns fans, 1232 01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:13,480 Speaker 7: but all of Fame voters, it sticks with NFL fans. 1233 01:02:13,800 --> 01:02:15,760 Speaker 7: It's those moments where you get the sack when the 1234 01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:17,240 Speaker 7: game is on the line. When I was a kid, 1235 01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:20,680 Speaker 7: was a huge Green Bay Packer fan, and to this day, 1236 01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:22,560 Speaker 7: when I think of Reggie White, one of the greatest 1237 01:02:22,560 --> 01:02:25,520 Speaker 7: of all time, regardless of physician, I think of the 1238 01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:27,120 Speaker 7: sacks that he had in the Super Bowl against the 1239 01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:29,520 Speaker 7: New England Patriots to steal the game and win the game. Like, 1240 01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:32,840 Speaker 7: unless you have that opportunity to have those moments. 1241 01:02:33,400 --> 01:02:34,080 Speaker 4: It's cool to. 1242 01:02:34,040 --> 01:02:37,200 Speaker 7: Have two hundred sacks, but in less Miles is doing 1243 01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:41,040 Speaker 7: great things and having those moments in Super Bowls or 1244 01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:44,240 Speaker 7: playoff games, you're not gonna remember it as much. 1245 01:02:44,960 --> 01:02:45,240 Speaker 4: Yep. 1246 01:02:45,520 --> 01:02:49,360 Speaker 2: There's a reason that when you go to Canton, pretty 1247 01:02:49,440 --> 01:02:51,600 Speaker 2: much everybody on the seventies Steelers is there. 1248 01:02:51,720 --> 01:02:54,160 Speaker 3: It's gonna say them seventy Steelers, they're all in. 1249 01:02:54,480 --> 01:02:58,640 Speaker 2: They're all in like you would have. I mean, everybody's in. 1250 01:02:59,120 --> 01:03:02,520 Speaker 2: It's the winning. If there's a tiebreaker, it's the winning. 1251 01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:06,480 Speaker 2: Winning is the tiebreaker, and it's it's synonymous with greatness. 1252 01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:09,320 Speaker 2: And it's weird because in this sport and hoff you 1253 01:03:09,320 --> 01:03:12,440 Speaker 2: can attest to this. You can be as great individually 1254 01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:16,200 Speaker 2: as has ever walked the planet, but it's your one 1255 01:03:16,280 --> 01:03:19,600 Speaker 2: eleventh and unless you're the quarterback and you touch the 1256 01:03:19,600 --> 01:03:22,800 Speaker 2: ball every play, every other position, it takes a village 1257 01:03:23,120 --> 01:03:24,240 Speaker 2: to lift everybody up. 1258 01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:28,920 Speaker 7: That's right, that's right. And I think his Hall of 1259 01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:32,680 Speaker 7: Fame candidacy is pretty much atchton Stone at this point. 1260 01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,040 Speaker 7: He's going to be a Hall of Famer. But I 1261 01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,760 Speaker 7: think when you think back once you're in the Hall 1262 01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,160 Speaker 7: of Fame. You know. Deon Senders talked about it a 1263 01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:41,560 Speaker 7: little bit in the last few years, like first ballot 1264 01:03:41,600 --> 01:03:45,640 Speaker 7: is important, it's meaningful to people. And then how you 1265 01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:49,240 Speaker 7: stack up amongst your peers? Look who part of being 1266 01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:52,720 Speaker 7: a competitor is you're always comparing yourself against the guys 1267 01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:54,800 Speaker 7: at your position. How do I stack up? 1268 01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:55,480 Speaker 3: Right? 1269 01:03:55,760 --> 01:03:59,200 Speaker 7: And I'm sure for Miles he wants to be number one. 1270 01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:02,560 Speaker 7: He wants to go down. Is everybody's, without a doubt 1271 01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:07,000 Speaker 7: greatest pass rush, your greatest edge player in modern history. 1272 01:04:07,600 --> 01:04:09,680 Speaker 7: And be able to do that, you gotta do it 1273 01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,160 Speaker 7: in big moments, and he wants those big moments. I 1274 01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:14,760 Speaker 7: can't blame him. 1275 01:04:14,880 --> 01:04:16,520 Speaker 3: I mean I always talk about in the Hall of Fame, right, 1276 01:04:16,560 --> 01:04:18,800 Speaker 3: it's are you in? And I think there's the Hall 1277 01:04:18,800 --> 01:04:20,360 Speaker 3: of Fame, then there should be a section where they 1278 01:04:20,360 --> 01:04:22,320 Speaker 3: make it cool, look like a little mini stadium, and 1279 01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:24,280 Speaker 3: then you have the bust in there. Are you in 1280 01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:26,280 Speaker 3: the greatest game that was ever played? 1281 01:04:26,880 --> 01:04:27,280 Speaker 2: Yeah? 1282 01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:28,000 Speaker 4: That's right? 1283 01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:30,520 Speaker 3: And then you people cycle in and out of that 1284 01:04:30,560 --> 01:04:33,120 Speaker 3: as things change and all of that. But would you 1285 01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:35,120 Speaker 3: be in and you could make it? You know, two 1286 01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:38,400 Speaker 3: full rosters right, you can make it too deep on offense, 1287 01:04:38,440 --> 01:04:40,520 Speaker 3: too deep on defense, so you'd have like a starting offense, 1288 01:04:40,520 --> 01:04:43,680 Speaker 3: starting defense for both teams. And if you're in that game, 1289 01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:46,240 Speaker 3: that's that's the goal, right, So are you one of 1290 01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:48,320 Speaker 3: the four best ever? Are you on the mount rushmore 1291 01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:49,800 Speaker 3: of your particular position? 1292 01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:51,520 Speaker 4: Yeah? 1293 01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:54,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, And that's I thought there's a lot 1294 01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:56,520 Speaker 3: of legacy that And as you said earlier today, I 1295 01:04:56,520 --> 01:05:00,400 Speaker 3: think you were talking with Mo Pedman, it's different for 1296 01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,680 Speaker 3: an offensive lineman than it is for a defensive lineman. 1297 01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:04,800 Speaker 3: Like you're in that game, even though you didn't have 1298 01:05:05,520 --> 01:05:08,840 Speaker 3: that the opportunity to play in some of those moments 1299 01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:10,440 Speaker 3: that you would want. But I think you're right with 1300 01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,360 Speaker 3: a defensive player, like they have to make the big 1301 01:05:12,400 --> 01:05:14,479 Speaker 3: play in a big moment, in a big playoff game, 1302 01:05:14,880 --> 01:05:17,040 Speaker 3: all of that to really kind of propel them up. 1303 01:05:18,960 --> 01:05:19,439 Speaker 4: That's right. 1304 01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:22,080 Speaker 7: As an offensive lineman, if anything, if I'm on a 1305 01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:24,200 Speaker 7: bad team, it makes my job harder and you get 1306 01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,000 Speaker 7: more respect because you're sitting back there in the two 1307 01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:30,000 Speaker 7: minute drill for the whole second half, the quarterback is 1308 01:05:30,040 --> 01:05:32,439 Speaker 7: standing there and he's chucking the ball down the field 1309 01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:34,160 Speaker 7: every play, and you're going one on one against their 1310 01:05:34,200 --> 01:05:37,040 Speaker 7: best pass rusher who doesn't care about the run anymore. Right, 1311 01:05:37,280 --> 01:05:39,400 Speaker 7: My job's harder, and so the people that know the 1312 01:05:39,480 --> 01:05:43,160 Speaker 7: game that watch they understand that. But for Miles, like 1313 01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:47,000 Speaker 7: he needs to have those moments where he's going one 1314 01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:49,760 Speaker 7: on one against a great tackle in the playoffs, in 1315 01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:52,200 Speaker 7: the Super Bowl to be able to get the respect 1316 01:05:52,280 --> 01:05:55,240 Speaker 7: that I think he definitely deserves. I said it on 1317 01:05:55,440 --> 01:05:58,080 Speaker 7: social media a few weeks ago, I said, give me 1318 01:05:58,120 --> 01:06:02,280 Speaker 7: one pass rush against any player in history. The last 1319 01:06:02,280 --> 01:06:05,200 Speaker 7: guy I would choose is Miles Garrett because for one 1320 01:06:05,240 --> 01:06:09,000 Speaker 7: rep at his best, nobody's better. But people won't respect 1321 01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:12,120 Speaker 7: that unless he's able to play in those big moments. 1322 01:06:12,120 --> 01:06:14,160 Speaker 7: And look, if it was only about winning a super Bowl, 1323 01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:16,240 Speaker 7: if that was the only thing that mattered to players, 1324 01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:19,040 Speaker 7: Brady wouldn't have kept playing. Dude had a ton of 1325 01:06:19,040 --> 01:06:20,920 Speaker 7: Super Bowls, but he kept playing in New England and 1326 01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:23,000 Speaker 7: then even wanted to keep playing after that, go to 1327 01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:25,800 Speaker 7: Tampa to win more Super Bowl. It's like, so, yes, 1328 01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:28,240 Speaker 7: it's about winning every season and winning that Super Bowl, 1329 01:06:28,600 --> 01:06:32,320 Speaker 7: But legacy matters for these dudes who are among the 1330 01:06:32,320 --> 01:06:35,440 Speaker 7: greatest of all time, and they want their moments to 1331 01:06:35,480 --> 01:06:38,360 Speaker 7: be able to set their place in history, to be 1332 01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:41,560 Speaker 7: able to set their place where they stack up against 1333 01:06:41,720 --> 01:06:43,840 Speaker 7: all of the greats, not just in their generation, but 1334 01:06:43,960 --> 01:06:45,600 Speaker 7: in the generation. 1335 01:06:45,240 --> 01:06:45,800 Speaker 11: Of all time. 1336 01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:50,200 Speaker 2: I think Brady wanted to track down Manning on everything. Yeah, 1337 01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,160 Speaker 2: I think he wanted the yards, the touchdowns, all of it. 1338 01:06:53,560 --> 01:06:55,400 Speaker 2: He wanted to track down Manning. And that's I think 1339 01:06:56,120 --> 01:06:58,400 Speaker 2: I'm with you, Off, I sure, yeah, everyone wants to win, 1340 01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:03,680 Speaker 2: but I think there's no question that that's that. That 1341 01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:09,080 Speaker 2: was it that he wanted to leave no doubt and 1342 01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:11,160 Speaker 2: he did. He ended up doing all of those things 1343 01:07:11,720 --> 01:07:15,480 Speaker 2: all right real quickly. Around this last week in the NFL, 1344 01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:19,280 Speaker 2: we had a very interesting Saturday with the Chiefs taking 1345 01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:21,680 Speaker 2: care of the Texans horrific injury to Tank Dell in 1346 01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:24,760 Speaker 2: that one, and then you had the Ravens really taking 1347 01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:27,600 Speaker 2: care of the Steelers thirty four to seventeen. Rusk with 1348 01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:29,200 Speaker 2: a pick in that when he has sort of fumble 1349 01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,360 Speaker 2: where he scrambling and just kind of kind of looked 1350 01:07:31,360 --> 01:07:33,880 Speaker 2: like he almost ran into the hit off. What did 1351 01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:37,600 Speaker 2: you make of those two? In Kansas City? Now, they 1352 01:07:37,680 --> 01:07:39,360 Speaker 2: had to make sure they have a one game lead 1353 01:07:39,360 --> 01:07:41,440 Speaker 2: over Buffalo, and obviously they're in a position now to 1354 01:07:41,440 --> 01:07:42,200 Speaker 2: make sure they do that. 1355 01:07:44,000 --> 01:07:47,000 Speaker 7: You know, we did the let's pick our ten Super 1356 01:07:47,040 --> 01:07:49,560 Speaker 7: Bowl favorites last week on the Wednesday Show that I 1357 01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:51,400 Speaker 7: was there, and I hope you guys hang on to 1358 01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:54,600 Speaker 7: that because I was pretty good. At least through one week. 1359 01:07:55,320 --> 01:07:58,600 Speaker 7: The list that I put together has held up pretty good. 1360 01:07:58,640 --> 01:08:00,720 Speaker 7: And I think, you know, Green Bay doesn't really face 1361 01:08:00,800 --> 01:08:03,600 Speaker 7: much of a challenge tonight against the Saints, as they're 1362 01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:07,800 Speaker 7: two touchdown favorites. But I think the Chiefs are starting 1363 01:08:07,800 --> 01:08:10,959 Speaker 7: to hit their stride. You know, they're playing a good ball. 1364 01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:14,120 Speaker 7: They're starting to win by a few more points. I 1365 01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:16,800 Speaker 7: think the Texans they've got too many injuries and then 1366 01:08:16,880 --> 01:08:20,880 Speaker 7: the tankd Dell injury that hurts him even further. And 1367 01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:24,200 Speaker 7: the Steelers, I just they don't have any one thing 1368 01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:26,120 Speaker 7: that I would say is they're superpower. I think they're 1369 01:08:26,200 --> 01:08:29,080 Speaker 7: very balanced, they're very well coached. But I don't think 1370 01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:31,639 Speaker 7: that you can make a great run in the Super 1371 01:08:31,680 --> 01:08:33,720 Speaker 7: Bowl by just being balanced, Like I think you have 1372 01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:36,320 Speaker 7: to have some superpower that can rise up when the 1373 01:08:36,360 --> 01:08:39,880 Speaker 7: game's close. And I just I think Russell Wilson is 1374 01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:41,639 Speaker 7: still a good quarterback. But I don't know if he's 1375 01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:45,080 Speaker 7: good enough to go toe to toe with Josh Allen 1376 01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:48,679 Speaker 7: or Patrick Mahomes or Lamar Jackson. And so I think 1377 01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:52,520 Speaker 7: the AFC IS is shaping up to be really interesting 1378 01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:56,560 Speaker 7: with the Ravens kind of figuring out defense just a 1379 01:08:56,600 --> 01:09:01,400 Speaker 7: little bit, Lamar Jackson putting himself back into that MVP conversation, 1380 01:09:01,560 --> 01:09:04,400 Speaker 7: especially after Josh Allen didn't have the best of games 1381 01:09:04,400 --> 01:09:09,000 Speaker 7: against the New England Patriots. So it's a fun run 1382 01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:10,920 Speaker 7: here as we're coming down the home stretch of the 1383 01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:11,960 Speaker 7: regular season. 1384 01:09:14,320 --> 01:09:17,559 Speaker 3: That division is likely when the season ends, you have 1385 01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:22,400 Speaker 3: three twelve win teams Detroit, Green Bay, and Minnesota. Minnesota. 1386 01:09:22,560 --> 01:09:24,960 Speaker 3: Detroit could determine the number one seed in the NFC. 1387 01:09:25,200 --> 01:09:27,439 Speaker 3: I mean, when is the last time that anybody can 1388 01:09:27,479 --> 01:09:32,320 Speaker 3: remember that kind of performance in a single division. It's 1389 01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:33,240 Speaker 3: really incredible. 1390 01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:38,639 Speaker 7: Yeah, it's interesting as I'm getting ready for this Packers game, 1391 01:09:38,720 --> 01:09:42,120 Speaker 7: you know, there they could have thirteen wins and like 1392 01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:46,360 Speaker 7: the fifth, sixth or seventh seed, just because you know 1393 01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:49,479 Speaker 7: they're going to be the second wildcard team potentially behind 1394 01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:53,639 Speaker 7: either Detroit or Minnesota. And it's just crazy to think 1395 01:09:53,680 --> 01:09:57,639 Speaker 7: how good the NFC North is and potentially how good 1396 01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:00,599 Speaker 7: they could be for a while because they're pretty stacked. 1397 01:10:00,640 --> 01:10:04,560 Speaker 7: Like these are teams that have overwhelmingly fairly young rosters. 1398 01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:09,200 Speaker 7: They're very very well balanced. They quarterbacks that are either 1399 01:10:09,280 --> 01:10:12,000 Speaker 7: locked up long term like Jordan Love or they're not 1400 01:10:12,280 --> 01:10:16,120 Speaker 7: breaking a bank like Jared gob Sam Darnold. So the 1401 01:10:16,240 --> 01:10:19,479 Speaker 7: NFC North has an opportunity potentially to go on quite 1402 01:10:19,479 --> 01:10:20,000 Speaker 7: a run here. 1403 01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:23,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, they really. It sets up that way, and it's 1404 01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:26,360 Speaker 2: I mean, it's gonna be what could be pretty dang remarkable, 1405 01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:31,000 Speaker 2: fellas if we hold this week next week and Detroit 1406 01:10:31,080 --> 01:10:35,200 Speaker 2: is fourteen and two hosting, isn't it Minnesota at Detroit 1407 01:10:36,040 --> 01:10:37,520 Speaker 2: fourteen and two? Minnesota? 1408 01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:40,320 Speaker 3: It is Minnesota at Detroit. 1409 01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:43,599 Speaker 2: Yep, So fourteen and two hosting fourteen and two in 1410 01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:50,320 Speaker 2: week eighteen for the one seed. While think about it, 1411 01:10:50,360 --> 01:10:52,760 Speaker 2: I mean, fourteen to two in old years, you're the one. 1412 01:10:52,840 --> 01:10:54,880 Speaker 2: Forget about it. No one's in the mix. 1413 01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:55,800 Speaker 4: Yep. 1414 01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:57,719 Speaker 2: They one of them is gonna go. They're both fourteen 1415 01:10:57,720 --> 01:11:01,080 Speaker 2: and two if they both win next week and they're expected. 1416 01:11:00,720 --> 01:11:05,960 Speaker 3: To Detroit at Niners, Minnesota home for green Bay. Tough game. 1417 01:11:06,000 --> 01:11:08,480 Speaker 3: Minnesota's finals too, is tough. 1418 01:11:08,640 --> 01:11:12,000 Speaker 2: They are, but they just win. Man, that's a big 1419 01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:14,400 Speaker 2: time win for them yesterday winning at Seattle, the way 1420 01:11:14,400 --> 01:11:14,920 Speaker 2: they did. 1421 01:11:15,040 --> 01:11:16,360 Speaker 3: Well, especially the way they had to come back. 1422 01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:20,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, no, it's it's crazy. And and also 1423 01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:25,000 Speaker 2: some pretty wild injuries, the Jalen Hurts concussion that happened yesterday, 1424 01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:28,640 Speaker 2: big and then Pennis getting the getting to play for Atlanta. 1425 01:11:29,680 --> 01:11:31,800 Speaker 2: The stats don't maybe do justice to as well as 1426 01:11:31,800 --> 01:11:34,120 Speaker 2: he played. But now that sets up uh, and then 1427 01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:37,240 Speaker 2: the loss for Tampa bayhoff Uh to lose that Dallas, 1428 01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:39,479 Speaker 2: that's as bad as it's going to get. 1429 01:11:41,600 --> 01:11:43,800 Speaker 7: Yeah, that's not so good. I mean, the NFC South 1430 01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:48,200 Speaker 7: has probably been the weakest division in football all season long. 1431 01:11:48,280 --> 01:11:50,680 Speaker 7: But the Buccaneers, I think they had a lot of 1432 01:11:50,680 --> 01:11:53,920 Speaker 7: believers in including myself, not necessarily that they were going 1433 01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:56,559 Speaker 7: to be a team that could, you know, win the 1434 01:11:56,600 --> 01:11:59,919 Speaker 7: Super Bowl. But they did a great running game, good defense, 1435 01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:02,720 Speaker 7: Baker Mayfield playing well. But you gotta win the ones 1436 01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:04,880 Speaker 7: you're supposed to win when it's down the stretch. You 1437 01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:08,080 Speaker 7: gotta be hot as you hit the playoffs to really 1438 01:12:08,120 --> 01:12:09,639 Speaker 7: have any belief in the building. 1439 01:12:09,720 --> 01:12:10,759 Speaker 4: And that one. 1440 01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:13,839 Speaker 7: Really could be the dagger, the nail and the coffin 1441 01:12:13,920 --> 01:12:16,080 Speaker 7: of their Super Bowl chances because I don't know how 1442 01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:18,559 Speaker 7: you get your team to buy into a belief that 1443 01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:20,960 Speaker 7: you guys can make a run when you play the 1444 01:12:20,960 --> 01:12:24,320 Speaker 7: way you did on national television America and a team 1445 01:12:24,320 --> 01:12:27,280 Speaker 7: that had seemingly given up on the season about five 1446 01:12:27,320 --> 01:12:27,920 Speaker 7: weeks ago. 1447 01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:31,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, whoever wins that division is going to play 1448 01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:33,000 Speaker 3: Detroit or Minnesota. 1449 01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:34,760 Speaker 2: Yep, good luck. 1450 01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:38,600 Speaker 3: That's a tough opening. That's a tough opener. 1451 01:12:39,000 --> 01:12:42,439 Speaker 2: All right, Fellas. In honor of Christmas, which is two 1452 01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:47,960 Speaker 2: days from today, what was your favorite sports themed gift 1453 01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:50,800 Speaker 2: you ever received? Will start with you and then duckt 1454 01:12:50,840 --> 01:12:51,120 Speaker 2: to Zee. 1455 01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:58,040 Speaker 7: It's funny because I was never a hockey player organizationally, 1456 01:12:58,080 --> 01:13:01,599 Speaker 7: like from a serious damp, but I love playing street hockey, 1457 01:13:01,680 --> 01:13:04,559 Speaker 7: and so I got a hockey net and a goalie 1458 01:13:04,960 --> 01:13:07,960 Speaker 7: stick when I was like ten years old, and I 1459 01:13:08,080 --> 01:13:11,200 Speaker 7: was so happy because it was one of those presdents' 1460 01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:15,400 Speaker 7: mom couldn't wrap, so he came downstairs. I can't wait 1461 01:13:15,400 --> 01:13:18,120 Speaker 7: to see what Santa brings you in. The hockey net 1462 01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:20,640 Speaker 7: is just sitting right there, and I think in that 1463 01:13:20,720 --> 01:13:22,840 Speaker 7: moment just brought me so much great joy because I 1464 01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:25,000 Speaker 7: could just see that the next six months of my 1465 01:13:25,040 --> 01:13:28,000 Speaker 7: life there's gonna be outside like six hours a day 1466 01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:30,760 Speaker 7: with my neighbor Nicky Hammill, just fire and slapshots right 1467 01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:32,840 Speaker 7: at my face. I was like a happy Gilmore. I 1468 01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:34,519 Speaker 7: could not wait to get hit right ahead and get 1469 01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:35,720 Speaker 7: a concussion. 1470 01:13:36,439 --> 01:13:40,400 Speaker 2: Off as a defenseman would have been terrifying, like, oh 1471 01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:45,240 Speaker 2: my god, that would have been cheez NHL A nope. 1472 01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:47,160 Speaker 2: For the guys like haf On skates, that would have 1473 01:13:47,200 --> 01:13:47,840 Speaker 2: been outrageous. 1474 01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:53,240 Speaker 3: You know, I was thinking sports themed. I was really 1475 01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:57,080 Speaker 3: trying to think about it so the easy. So actually 1476 01:13:57,240 --> 01:13:59,200 Speaker 3: something just popped in my head. That is the absolute answer. 1477 01:13:59,200 --> 01:14:00,960 Speaker 3: But before that, I was thinking, I remember when Nerve 1478 01:14:01,040 --> 01:14:02,439 Speaker 3: came out with that one that had like the little 1479 01:14:02,439 --> 01:14:04,479 Speaker 3: things onside. So when he threw like a spiral through 1480 01:14:04,479 --> 01:14:07,599 Speaker 3: a bombit like whistled. Yeah, I thought that was pretty cool. 1481 01:14:07,600 --> 01:14:10,719 Speaker 3: But then I just remembered my definitely the best sports 1482 01:14:10,760 --> 01:14:14,040 Speaker 3: team Christmas gift I ever got was a Rollings big 1483 01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:18,360 Speaker 3: stick that was to Nathan Merry Christmas, Mark McGuire, Martin McGuire, 1484 01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:24,280 Speaker 3: Rawlings big stick, that's McGuire. There was a pastag glass yeah, 1485 01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:26,400 Speaker 3: still still have it, still have it. 1486 01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:28,680 Speaker 2: There was a there was a meg. There used to 1487 01:14:28,720 --> 01:14:32,000 Speaker 2: be a store called Sears, and when we were kids, 1488 01:14:32,040 --> 01:14:35,200 Speaker 2: there was a magazine that would come There's Cattle Sears 1489 01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:38,040 Speaker 2: Christmas Catalog, and you could it had everything in it, 1490 01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:40,559 Speaker 2: everything that Steers had. And when that thing showed up, 1491 01:14:40,560 --> 01:14:42,439 Speaker 2: I'd look at it in wonderment that you could buy 1492 01:14:42,479 --> 01:14:45,120 Speaker 2: anything that you wanted at this magical store. And on 1493 01:14:45,120 --> 01:14:49,560 Speaker 2: one page they had every NFL team Hutch uniform set. 1494 01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:50,519 Speaker 3: So I love it. 1495 01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:52,080 Speaker 2: I never saw any of that stuff like you could 1496 01:14:52,120 --> 01:14:53,559 Speaker 2: only get like where I grew up, you could get 1497 01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:55,519 Speaker 2: the Broncos, or you'd get the Seahawks or the Vikings. 1498 01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:55,960 Speaker 3: That was it. 1499 01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:57,840 Speaker 2: Those are the three teams. You could get gear for 1500 01:14:57,920 --> 01:15:00,280 Speaker 2: them where I grew up. But in that you could 1501 01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:02,960 Speaker 2: get anything. And I remember looking at I had no 1502 01:15:03,040 --> 01:15:05,000 Speaker 2: I was a Bears fan as a kid, but I 1503 01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:09,439 Speaker 2: remember looking at the Dan Founts Chargers uniform in the 1504 01:15:09,439 --> 01:15:12,680 Speaker 2: bright blue and thinking, God, that looks great, gorgeous. 1505 01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:13,200 Speaker 4: That looks great. 1506 01:15:13,640 --> 01:15:15,880 Speaker 2: I circled that sucker for Santa and I said, that's it, 1507 01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:17,720 Speaker 2: That's what I want. And when I walked out and 1508 01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:19,880 Speaker 2: I saw that sucker sitting there, come on, I didn't 1509 01:15:19,880 --> 01:15:21,960 Speaker 2: take that off for the whole Christmas break. I left 1510 01:15:21,960 --> 01:15:24,960 Speaker 2: that sucker on the whole time, pants, jersey, helmet, the 1511 01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:28,040 Speaker 2: whole thing. I didn't think they make that stuff anymore, 1512 01:15:28,080 --> 01:15:31,840 Speaker 2: but god, no, those were so good, so good, so good. 1513 01:15:31,960 --> 01:15:34,559 Speaker 2: All right, hoff enjoy it. This is a this is 1514 01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:37,439 Speaker 2: an unbelievable one tonight. I mean, Harlan being a Wisconsin guy, 1515 01:15:37,520 --> 01:15:41,320 Speaker 2: a legend. You there three generations of Thomas's. This is unbelievable. 1516 01:15:41,360 --> 01:15:43,519 Speaker 2: Enjoy that, buddy. Merry Christmas to you and your family. 1517 01:15:44,280 --> 01:15:47,880 Speaker 7: Yes, love, I love you guys too. I appreciate you 1518 01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:49,839 Speaker 7: having me on the Great. 1519 01:15:49,600 --> 01:15:54,920 Speaker 3: Hob En Root the Dulcet Tones tonight, filling our ears. 1520 01:15:55,160 --> 01:15:58,439 Speaker 2: I mean that's I mean, Harlan's, Harlan's, Harland's great, an 1521 01:15:58,479 --> 01:16:01,320 Speaker 2: all timer. He'd be on my Perseroute Mount Rushmore play 1522 01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:05,479 Speaker 2: by play guy. I think he's awesome. And as a wisconsinight, come. 1523 01:16:05,280 --> 01:16:07,160 Speaker 3: On, oh baby, that's beautiful. 1524 01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:09,519 Speaker 2: All right. Coming up next, we'll take a look at 1525 01:16:09,520 --> 01:16:14,840 Speaker 2: the AFC playoff picture Miles Garrett's one hundredth sack in 1526 01:16:14,880 --> 01:16:17,439 Speaker 2: your great clip as well. 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Visit vivid seats 1536 01:16:52,080 --> 01:16:54,719 Speaker 2: dot com today to learn more. Time for the great clips, 1537 01:16:54,720 --> 01:16:56,719 Speaker 2: Great clip of the game, Great clips, It's gonna be great. 1538 01:16:57,120 --> 01:17:00,080 Speaker 2: Here is the call of Biles Sack number one hundred. 1539 01:17:00,360 --> 01:17:02,639 Speaker 15: And now they go hurry up from the Browns thirty 1540 01:17:02,720 --> 01:17:05,679 Speaker 15: seven Burrow to throat. Here comes Garrett. There it is 1541 01:17:06,120 --> 01:17:10,519 Speaker 15: Miles Garrett. Welcome to the one hundred club. He takes 1542 01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:15,519 Speaker 15: down Joe Burrow one hundred career sacks for the future 1543 01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:16,320 Speaker 15: Hall of Famer. 1544 01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:20,479 Speaker 3: He set the Browns record against Bailey Zappy, now his teammate, 1545 01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:24,240 Speaker 3: and how fitting Joe Burrow man he is harassed throughout 1546 01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:27,839 Speaker 3: his career thirteen sacks. Now against the Bengals. Miles Garrett 1547 01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:30,920 Speaker 3: the first to get to one hundred sacks before his 1548 01:17:31,040 --> 01:17:36,000 Speaker 3: twenty ninth birthday with not a weak despair Andrew unbelievable. 1549 01:17:35,400 --> 01:17:39,719 Speaker 15: And early birthday present and early Christmas present from Miles Garrett. 1550 01:17:39,720 --> 01:17:40,559 Speaker 3: It's a loss of eight. 1551 01:17:41,960 --> 01:17:44,160 Speaker 2: You know, it's really starting to set these great clips, 1552 01:17:44,200 --> 01:17:48,040 Speaker 2: great clips of the week apart is the context that 1553 01:17:48,040 --> 01:17:49,720 Speaker 2: we're getting on and the whole thing used to just 1554 01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:53,120 Speaker 2: be just like, here's what happened, and now we're getting 1555 01:17:53,240 --> 01:17:55,240 Speaker 2: I believe the technical term is a little bit of 1556 01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:57,240 Speaker 2: color and it's a game changer. 1557 01:17:57,640 --> 01:17:59,760 Speaker 3: It's weird that Gibbet looks disgusted as you say this, 1558 01:18:00,080 --> 01:18:02,240 Speaker 3: which you're speaking the truth and give me he's furious 1559 01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:02,479 Speaker 3: with you. 1560 01:18:02,960 --> 01:18:06,479 Speaker 5: I mean, you know, the analysis is the analysis. He 1561 01:18:06,520 --> 01:18:08,720 Speaker 5: had a sack. It was number one hundred. That's a 1562 01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:12,000 Speaker 5: big moment. Let's not let the let's not let the 1563 01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:13,719 Speaker 5: analysis be bigger than the moment. 1564 01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:16,920 Speaker 2: I believe that was a perfect call around the way there. 1565 01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:20,200 Speaker 2: It seems like if anything, your boy, Gabriel, your boy 1566 01:18:20,280 --> 01:18:22,000 Speaker 2: Gabriel is going against your wishes. 1567 01:18:22,520 --> 01:18:28,960 Speaker 3: Young Gabriel has chosen the size the side. Gabriel. Yes, 1568 01:18:30,280 --> 01:18:32,920 Speaker 3: I asked you Gabriel last week. Last week I was 1569 01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:36,479 Speaker 3: in the balance. He knew what I said, what's that 1570 01:18:36,600 --> 01:18:38,280 Speaker 3: all from. Of course he knows that he's come to 1571 01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:42,200 Speaker 3: the of course he's coming to a learning tree. Always 1572 01:18:42,200 --> 01:18:44,760 Speaker 3: a guarantee he's come to the learning tree. G Man 1573 01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:46,920 Speaker 3: had a he faced. There was a fork in the 1574 01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:50,360 Speaker 3: road about a week ago, and g Man stood and 1575 01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:54,640 Speaker 3: he looked left and he looked right. And I asked him, 1576 01:18:54,720 --> 01:18:58,840 Speaker 3: quite simply, do you believe in goodness or badness? And 1577 01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:00,840 Speaker 3: he said, I want to be good? And now he's 1578 01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:02,439 Speaker 3: walking that path with the big bees. 1579 01:19:03,200 --> 01:19:05,479 Speaker 2: Hey, do you have a grievance as well? 1580 01:19:06,520 --> 01:19:09,920 Speaker 3: Oh, I do have a grievance. So earlier today I 1581 01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:13,759 Speaker 3: was the victim of a prank. Okay, which is fine. 1582 01:19:13,880 --> 01:19:16,679 Speaker 3: I enjoy it a good prank either. My grievance has 1583 01:19:16,720 --> 01:19:19,040 Speaker 3: nothing to do with the prank or the prank itself. However, 1584 01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:21,920 Speaker 3: when I found out about the prank, I didn't know 1585 01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:23,120 Speaker 3: it was a prank at the time. And when I 1586 01:19:23,120 --> 01:19:26,440 Speaker 3: found out what was told to me, I called Gibbe 1587 01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:30,879 Speaker 3: to be like, dude, you'll never believe what just happened. 1588 01:19:31,080 --> 01:19:34,200 Speaker 3: And I was like, and I'm not doing it like hard, no, 1589 01:19:35,920 --> 01:19:38,160 Speaker 3: not doing it, not doing it now. I said some 1590 01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:42,200 Speaker 3: other things as well. Gibbe was in on this. So 1591 01:19:42,280 --> 01:19:47,719 Speaker 3: when I called Gibbe, Gibbe answered the phone and put 1592 01:19:47,800 --> 01:19:52,599 Speaker 3: me without any woe or any knowledge of who may 1593 01:19:52,800 --> 01:19:54,639 Speaker 3: or may not have been in the room at the time. 1594 01:19:55,040 --> 01:19:59,240 Speaker 3: He put me on speaker phone while I aired my grievances. 1595 01:19:59,400 --> 01:20:04,360 Speaker 3: Oh my go which is not okay? Do fail? 1596 01:20:05,800 --> 01:20:06,160 Speaker 7: Hold on? 1597 01:20:06,560 --> 01:20:09,240 Speaker 3: Hold on? What that is not okay? Dude, that's not okay. 1598 01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:11,360 Speaker 3: I could have said anything and would have been within 1599 01:20:11,439 --> 01:20:13,120 Speaker 3: my right to do it, and I could have been 1600 01:20:13,439 --> 01:20:14,559 Speaker 3: much worse than it ended up. 1601 01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:17,240 Speaker 2: It was the g Man and Jordan. 1602 01:20:18,680 --> 01:20:23,320 Speaker 3: Wasn't Fela there? No, okay, that's too bad. 1603 01:20:23,880 --> 01:20:27,479 Speaker 5: I thought maybe there were luminaries like he makes it 1604 01:20:27,520 --> 01:20:30,200 Speaker 5: sound like. I. I put it on for the world, 1605 01:20:30,640 --> 01:20:33,679 Speaker 5: And as I told him number two there is there 1606 01:20:33,760 --> 01:20:38,679 Speaker 5: was a hand like, oh hey, we were there. In 1607 01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:42,479 Speaker 5: my it was m Would I ever put him in 1608 01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:44,600 Speaker 5: that position? You can't possibly know what I was going 1609 01:20:44,680 --> 01:20:48,240 Speaker 5: to say. Though you can't, you could have. You were 1610 01:20:48,280 --> 01:20:53,320 Speaker 5: worked into an amazing shoot. It was unbelie just told 1611 01:20:53,760 --> 01:20:58,839 Speaker 5: Ricky to continue it. If you would have actually stopped 1612 01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:02,320 Speaker 5: and thought about the quest that was being made, you 1613 01:21:02,360 --> 01:21:05,559 Speaker 5: would have realized there was no way in hell that 1614 01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:06,480 Speaker 5: was actually. 1615 01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:09,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, my response was I'm not doing it. I'm not negotiable. Period. 1616 01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:11,080 Speaker 4: Did this have. 1617 01:21:11,080 --> 01:21:13,520 Speaker 2: Something to do with one of the next two holidays? 1618 01:21:14,479 --> 01:21:17,000 Speaker 3: It did? It had? It had to do with me 1619 01:21:17,120 --> 01:21:21,439 Speaker 3: coming in to shoot a ten minute video because it 1620 01:21:21,439 --> 01:21:23,760 Speaker 3: could only be done at that time on Christmas, and 1621 01:21:23,800 --> 01:21:24,880 Speaker 3: I was like, not happening. 1622 01:21:25,040 --> 01:21:26,000 Speaker 4: Let's think about this. 1623 01:21:27,200 --> 01:21:28,000 Speaker 2: Who's working? 1624 01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:35,400 Speaker 3: I don't know. I bet we're having practice. At one point. 1625 01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:37,599 Speaker 5: Would that have ever happened on Christmas Day? 1626 01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:41,439 Speaker 2: I will say that this is a human Uh, this 1627 01:21:41,560 --> 01:21:44,000 Speaker 2: is a man who at one point had to one 1628 01:21:44,040 --> 01:21:48,040 Speaker 2: point left and had to return. Was there no audio? 1629 01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:50,280 Speaker 2: Didn't we have a no audio situation where you were 1630 01:21:50,280 --> 01:21:51,040 Speaker 2: like home and had. 1631 01:21:50,880 --> 01:21:52,920 Speaker 3: To come back? Oh, yeah, that happened. 1632 01:21:53,200 --> 01:21:57,040 Speaker 2: That happened. So we've had there's been some discrepancies. But yeah, 1633 01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:59,320 Speaker 2: say Christmas Day comes, shoot a ten minute video. It's 1634 01:21:59,320 --> 01:22:01,240 Speaker 2: the only time we can do it. Would be a 1635 01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:01,800 Speaker 2: big ask. 1636 01:22:02,760 --> 01:22:07,400 Speaker 3: Yes, And it was based on another person's By the way, 1637 01:22:07,439 --> 01:22:09,439 Speaker 3: my mom just texted me Gibb is such a scrooge. 1638 01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:12,479 Speaker 5: Nailed If I nailed it, could if I could have 1639 01:22:12,560 --> 01:22:14,960 Speaker 5: recorded it. I thought Gabe was going to chew his 1640 01:22:15,080 --> 01:22:15,479 Speaker 5: arm off. 1641 01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:15,960 Speaker 4: He was laughing. 1642 01:22:16,120 --> 01:22:17,840 Speaker 3: Where's the get g Man on camera. 1643 01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:20,800 Speaker 5: He literally got his head in his hand in his 1644 01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:25,200 Speaker 5: in his hands in the ground. He is crying, he's laughing. Sorry, 1645 01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:27,720 Speaker 5: the three of us are dying. And I'm like, what 1646 01:22:27,880 --> 01:22:28,559 Speaker 5: to tell you? 1647 01:22:28,600 --> 01:22:33,080 Speaker 3: Oh, I said, Unfortunately, I was like, listen, somebody, against's 1648 01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:35,920 Speaker 3: go down the road. That was not happening. I'm like, 1649 01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:39,960 Speaker 3: not happening, No problem saying no to this not happening. 1650 01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:44,400 Speaker 5: Oh, that's good, except that it was way over the top. No, 1651 01:22:45,800 --> 01:22:49,200 Speaker 5: it wasn't that world into a complete shoot. Well, the 1652 01:22:49,360 --> 01:22:52,000 Speaker 5: request was over the top, and it was like, no, 1653 01:22:52,120 --> 01:22:52,639 Speaker 5: not doing it. 1654 01:22:52,760 --> 01:22:54,080 Speaker 2: I don't believe I will be doing that. 1655 01:22:54,320 --> 01:22:56,240 Speaker 3: No, No, there's a lot that I'll do. I was 1656 01:22:56,240 --> 01:22:59,040 Speaker 3: gonna make. I made many accommodations to make it happen 1657 01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:01,680 Speaker 3: what they wanted. But I wasn't doing it then. Not 1658 01:23:01,720 --> 01:23:03,920 Speaker 3: that way, Buddy, the Alf, Buddy the Alph is locked 1659 01:23:03,920 --> 01:23:07,600 Speaker 3: in on Christmas. I am locked in on Christmas. I 1660 01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:11,320 Speaker 3: can't wait, g Man. G Man secretly told me that 1661 01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:12,920 Speaker 3: he felt it was bad that they were doing this 1662 01:23:12,960 --> 01:23:13,160 Speaker 3: to me. 1663 01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:18,160 Speaker 5: It was well out of bad bad. Yeah, no, he did, Yeah, 1664 01:23:18,160 --> 01:23:20,519 Speaker 5: he did. He loved every minute of it. 1665 01:23:20,880 --> 01:23:20,960 Speaker 4: All. 1666 01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:23,479 Speaker 2: Right, here's where we uh, there's a line between love 1667 01:23:23,520 --> 01:23:26,360 Speaker 2: and hate gibe that can go anyway. Here's where we 1668 01:23:26,400 --> 01:23:29,120 Speaker 2: sit in the AFC with two weeks to go. H 1669 01:23:29,320 --> 01:23:33,080 Speaker 2: Kansas City now with a still have that one game. 1670 01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:35,200 Speaker 2: They have a two game lead over Buffalo. They win 1671 01:23:35,320 --> 01:23:37,880 Speaker 2: one of their next two, they would be in good 1672 01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:41,479 Speaker 2: shape in terms of of winning the AFC and having 1673 01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:43,719 Speaker 2: the home field. Buffalo is sitting comfortably in the two. 1674 01:23:44,240 --> 01:23:45,240 Speaker 3: Uh. 1675 01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:48,960 Speaker 2: The Steelers are currently the three via their tiebreaker over Baltimore. 1676 01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:53,719 Speaker 2: Houston is the four, Baltimore is the five, the Chargers 1677 01:23:53,760 --> 01:23:57,840 Speaker 2: the six, in Denver, the seven, Indie, Miami, Cincinnati all 1678 01:23:57,840 --> 01:24:01,040 Speaker 2: seven and eight all on the outside looking in. Cincinnati 1679 01:24:01,080 --> 01:24:03,280 Speaker 2: does play Denver this week, so they could get that 1680 01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:06,040 Speaker 2: to a one game deficit. Denver plays Kansas City in 1681 01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:09,759 Speaker 2: the finale, So depending on what can who does Kansas 1682 01:24:09,800 --> 01:24:11,120 Speaker 2: City have this week? Steelers? 1683 01:24:11,600 --> 01:24:15,519 Speaker 3: Kansas City plays Steelers in Kansas City, I mean in 1684 01:24:15,520 --> 01:24:19,160 Speaker 3: in Pittsburgh, and then the Steelers play Cincinnati where. 1685 01:24:19,439 --> 01:24:26,320 Speaker 2: And in Cincinnati I believe against Pittsburgh. Yeah, so if 1686 01:24:26,400 --> 01:24:33,000 Speaker 2: Kansas City beats Pittsburgh this week, then then Cincinnati. 1687 01:24:32,600 --> 01:24:34,320 Speaker 3: Pittsburgh still controls their destiny. 1688 01:24:34,720 --> 01:24:39,240 Speaker 2: They do. They're currently have the tiebreaker over Baltimore. But 1689 01:24:39,400 --> 01:24:42,120 Speaker 2: if Kansas City beats Pittsburgh, then Kansas City will clinch 1690 01:24:42,160 --> 01:24:43,559 Speaker 2: the number one overall seed. 1691 01:24:44,560 --> 01:24:48,080 Speaker 3: So Pittsburgh controls on Dessey. But if Pittsburgh, if they 1692 01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:51,520 Speaker 3: both go one and one and Pittsburgh loses to Cincinnati 1693 01:24:51,680 --> 01:24:55,920 Speaker 3: and the Baltimore's one win is they beat Cleveland, then 1694 01:24:56,479 --> 01:24:58,880 Speaker 3: Baltimore would have a better division record and would get in. 1695 01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:02,120 Speaker 3: Is that factory saying that, Yes, No, that's fact because 1696 01:25:02,120 --> 01:25:04,720 Speaker 3: they have the same division record right now and they 1697 01:25:04,720 --> 01:25:06,280 Speaker 3: each play one more division game. 1698 01:25:06,120 --> 01:25:09,559 Speaker 2: So that would net them the three, which would right 1699 01:25:09,560 --> 01:25:11,680 Speaker 2: now Obviously the three always plays a six, so that 1700 01:25:11,680 --> 01:25:14,240 Speaker 2: would be right now. Would be Pittsburgh hosting the Chargers, 1701 01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:19,920 Speaker 2: Buffalo would host Denver, and Houston would host Baltimore. If 1702 01:25:19,920 --> 01:25:21,560 Speaker 2: it started right now. 1703 01:25:22,320 --> 01:25:24,320 Speaker 3: It's gonna be that's gonna be very interesting. 1704 01:25:25,160 --> 01:25:28,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's very So Cincinnati needs to win out. 1705 01:25:29,520 --> 01:25:34,160 Speaker 2: Miami's got us and then Buffalo. 1706 01:25:35,439 --> 01:25:40,560 Speaker 3: Miami has us and then at the Jets, oh Jets 1707 01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:44,400 Speaker 3: at Cleveland at the Jets, Cincinnati's Denver and Pittsburgh. And 1708 01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:46,439 Speaker 3: you said week eighteen, let me just verify that, is 1709 01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:52,040 Speaker 3: that a home Week eighteen is no, it's in Pittsburgh. Okay, 1710 01:25:52,680 --> 01:26:00,479 Speaker 3: so Cincinnati is home Denver at Pittsburgh Peke Pittsburgh PEEPAUW. 1711 01:26:00,479 --> 01:26:05,080 Speaker 3: Pittsburgh is home Kansas City and home Cincinnati, so they 1712 01:26:05,080 --> 01:26:06,000 Speaker 3: have two home games. 1713 01:26:07,120 --> 01:26:09,400 Speaker 2: And then Indy is still kind of in the mix 1714 01:26:09,439 --> 01:26:12,320 Speaker 2: of them. They have the tiebreakers over Miami and Cincinnati. 1715 01:26:12,320 --> 01:26:15,880 Speaker 2: Should they win, it's very theirs is really navigable. 1716 01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:19,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, at the Giants home Jacksonville. 1717 01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:20,000 Speaker 2: So that's a bye for sure. 1718 01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:22,040 Speaker 3: I see how Cincinnati is still alive. 1719 01:26:22,640 --> 01:26:24,760 Speaker 2: That's a ten percent. They need Miami and Indy to 1720 01:26:24,840 --> 01:26:28,320 Speaker 2: lose again one of their last two saying Minami to 1721 01:26:28,320 --> 01:26:31,000 Speaker 2: lose to either US or the Jets, Andy to lose 1722 01:26:31,040 --> 01:26:35,000 Speaker 2: to either the Giants or the Jaguars. They need to 1723 01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:37,000 Speaker 2: win out and then they need Denver to lose. 1724 01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:44,439 Speaker 3: Out and then Denver's finale Kansas City. Right, so Denver 1725 01:26:44,479 --> 01:26:46,439 Speaker 3: doesn't have an easy final stretch here. 1726 01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:49,120 Speaker 2: No, but if Kansas City beats Pittsburgh this week, they're 1727 01:26:49,160 --> 01:26:52,200 Speaker 2: not going to play for anything in the last week clinch, right, 1728 01:26:52,280 --> 01:26:55,400 Speaker 2: they clinched the number one seed and they would chill, chill, 1729 01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:58,360 Speaker 2: So at that point, basically, no, I don't think Cincinnati 1730 01:26:58,360 --> 01:26:59,880 Speaker 2: can get in, by. 1731 01:26:59,760 --> 01:27:02,160 Speaker 3: The way, though, if you're Kansas City, that's a long 1732 01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:07,640 Speaker 3: time to rest playing on a Wednesday, so it'd be 1733 01:27:07,680 --> 01:27:10,240 Speaker 3: eleven days then a bible, you would have played a 1734 01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:13,560 Speaker 3: game you wouldn't have had you wouldn't have played a 1735 01:27:13,600 --> 01:27:16,560 Speaker 3: game in what twenty five days? 1736 01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:17,519 Speaker 4: You're right? 1737 01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:19,600 Speaker 3: Am I doing that math? Right? It's eleven to the 1738 01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:22,599 Speaker 3: final bye would be eighteen and then the following week 1739 01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:24,160 Speaker 3: would be your first player game and be twenty five 1740 01:27:24,200 --> 01:27:25,280 Speaker 3: days without playing football. 1741 01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:28,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a long time that would They'd have to 1742 01:27:28,720 --> 01:27:29,400 Speaker 2: think that through. 1743 01:27:30,720 --> 01:27:32,160 Speaker 3: That's a long time not to play ball. 1744 01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:34,439 Speaker 2: The one thing I would say there's that's such a 1745 01:27:34,520 --> 01:27:38,160 Speaker 2: veteran group that you feel like they know their bodies 1746 01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:41,280 Speaker 2: and they know it well enough to kind of maybe 1747 01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:42,760 Speaker 2: call yep. 1748 01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:45,000 Speaker 3: And I don't believe in playing people for a half. 1749 01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:46,320 Speaker 3: Either you're playing them or you're not playing. 1750 01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:48,160 Speaker 2: I couldn't agree with you more. You're prepare to play 1751 01:27:48,200 --> 01:27:50,800 Speaker 2: or you don't, Right, Yeah. 1752 01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:54,120 Speaker 3: A half has every bit as much of risk as yeah, 1753 01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:54,840 Speaker 3: the whole. 1754 01:27:54,920 --> 01:27:57,200 Speaker 2: That was a monster win for Kansas City to beat Houston, though, 1755 01:27:57,240 --> 01:27:59,519 Speaker 2: because win one of their next two, they're the one 1756 01:28:00,280 --> 01:28:03,439 Speaker 2: yeph and Cincinnati is going to go nine to eight 1757 01:28:04,439 --> 01:28:07,759 Speaker 2: and missed the postseason and waste one of the greatest 1758 01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:12,639 Speaker 2: quarterback receivers seasons in the history of football. Yep, yep, 1759 01:28:13,360 --> 01:28:14,679 Speaker 2: it's Chase gonna win the Triple Crown. 1760 01:28:15,400 --> 01:28:18,080 Speaker 3: So, by the way, before we put a full bow 1761 01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:20,240 Speaker 3: on this thing, I just want to say that Larry 1762 01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:23,280 Speaker 3: David is exactly right. If you are talking to a 1763 01:28:23,280 --> 01:28:28,120 Speaker 3: person of that you consider a friend, if you're on speakerphone, 1764 01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:30,200 Speaker 3: no matter what the scenario is, that needs to be 1765 01:28:30,240 --> 01:28:33,840 Speaker 3: communicated at the beginning of that call. So you call 1766 01:28:33,880 --> 01:28:35,679 Speaker 3: in the car and you're in a car with kids 1767 01:28:36,120 --> 01:28:39,800 Speaker 3: or other people, I would Hey, I'm on you're on speakerphone. 1768 01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:41,920 Speaker 3: This was a prank. This was entrapman. 1769 01:28:43,000 --> 01:28:47,320 Speaker 2: I think I feel I agree with you. I think 1770 01:28:47,360 --> 01:28:50,599 Speaker 2: the Gibbie did know the audience that he was with, 1771 01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:54,400 Speaker 2: and so it's fair sort of though it was never 1772 01:28:54,520 --> 01:28:58,960 Speaker 2: put him in a agree I believe a scrooge on 1773 01:28:59,000 --> 01:29:00,800 Speaker 2: the outside. I think he's a sweetheart in the. 1774 01:29:00,720 --> 01:29:04,599 Speaker 3: Middle, the hardest grown three sizes it has. There's no questions. 1775 01:29:04,640 --> 01:29:08,000 Speaker 5: It was my stomach from Saturday night. But that's what'd 1776 01:29:08,040 --> 01:29:08,599 Speaker 5: you guys eat? 1777 01:29:09,080 --> 01:29:10,800 Speaker 3: A little precinct delicious. 1778 01:29:11,000 --> 01:29:15,080 Speaker 5: Oh, Nathan took us out for the Holiday Festivus. We 1779 01:29:15,240 --> 01:29:16,759 Speaker 5: ordered the whole left side. 1780 01:29:16,520 --> 01:29:19,000 Speaker 3: Of the menu. We did not order good for you 1781 01:29:19,080 --> 01:29:23,040 Speaker 3: with a couple orders of French very well. Were they 1782 01:29:23,080 --> 01:29:25,720 Speaker 3: know what they're doing. I didn't see that coming. They 1783 01:29:25,760 --> 01:29:28,040 Speaker 3: know what they're doing coming. They know what you're doing 1784 01:29:28,080 --> 01:29:31,320 Speaker 3: with the ruby joints. All right, we got a score 1785 01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:32,960 Speaker 3: and so much more to come. You listen to Cleveland 1786 01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:34,160 Speaker 3: Browns Daily on eight fifty. 1787 01:29:34,040 --> 01:29:35,120 Speaker 4: ESP and Cleveland. 1788 01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:41,320 Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns Daily presented by Bally Bett, an official sports 1789 01:29:41,360 --> 01:29:44,120 Speaker 1: betting partner of your Cleveland Browns on eight to fifty 1790 01:29:44,640 --> 01:29:46,040 Speaker 1: ESP and Cleveland. 1791 01:29:55,920 --> 01:29:58,759 Speaker 2: Kenneth Jerrot. Tonight, the Cleveland Browns Previews showing the University hospitals. 1792 01:29:58,760 --> 01:30:00,840 Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns Radio Network are gonna break down all the 1793 01:30:00,840 --> 01:30:02,920 Speaker 2: week sixteen to the NFL look Ahead to the Browns 1794 01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:06,280 Speaker 2: and the Fins with play by Playboys Andrew Sisiliano. We 1795 01:30:06,320 --> 01:30:08,639 Speaker 2: have a score tonight, give a Monday Night football. 1796 01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:11,639 Speaker 5: We do my friend and we go to the land 1797 01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:15,599 Speaker 5: of Beer and cheese, Kurds and more beer. I love 1798 01:30:15,640 --> 01:30:20,360 Speaker 5: every bit of it. Green Bay, lambeau Field, Merry Christmas 1799 01:30:20,400 --> 01:30:24,799 Speaker 5: Packers hosting the five and nine New Orleans Saints. Sigura 1800 01:30:25,520 --> 01:30:26,160 Speaker 5: so I don't. 1801 01:30:26,000 --> 01:30:27,400 Speaker 3: See am I on here? 1802 01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:28,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, you were on. 1803 01:30:29,720 --> 01:30:31,599 Speaker 3: I don't see a hook on what I'm looking at. 1804 01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:33,240 Speaker 3: So in my world, that's how I'll operate in here. 1805 01:30:33,479 --> 01:30:36,559 Speaker 3: Say go pack go packed by eight hundred billion. 1806 01:30:38,080 --> 01:30:41,599 Speaker 2: The Green Bay Packers are not gonna lose. With Kevin 1807 01:30:41,640 --> 01:30:45,040 Speaker 2: Harlan and Joe Thomas on the call in three generations 1808 01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:46,960 Speaker 2: of hofness, They're not losing. 1809 01:30:47,240 --> 01:30:48,479 Speaker 3: They're not even gonna let it be close. 1810 01:30:48,680 --> 01:30:53,200 Speaker 2: No, they're gonna bury him. Forty to ten sixty six nothing, 1811 01:30:53,479 --> 01:30:58,559 Speaker 2: Ray Nichke, let's go. Let's hay Merry Christmas, everybody. We 1812 01:30:58,600 --> 01:31:02,320 Speaker 2: are back on Thursday to get you set for the 1813 01:31:02,360 --> 01:31:05,760 Speaker 2: Dolphins and the Brownie. Thanks for listen, everybody. The next 1814 01:31:05,880 --> 01:31:08,840 Speaker 2: level is coming up next. Cleveland Brouns Daily, eight fifty 1815 01:31:08,920 --> 01:31:09,559 Speaker 2: ESPN Cleveland. 1816 01:31:11,280 --> 01:31:14,000 Speaker 1: You've been listening to Cleveland Browns Daily, a production of 1817 01:31:14,000 --> 01:31:17,280 Speaker 1: the Cleveland Browns and eight fifty ESPN Cleveland