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Speaker 1: All right, it's another episode of splash Hit. We're so

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Speaker 1: excited for our guests today.

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Speaker 2: I hope everybody out there had a great Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 1: It's f P.

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Speaker 2: Santangelo and my buddy is joining us today. Jack Thomas

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Speaker 2: Snow Junior, sixteen year career ten with the San Francisco Giants,

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Speaker 2: had two seventy three for the Giants, with one hundred

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Speaker 2: and twenty four home runs, six hundred and fifteen runs

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Speaker 2: driven in my friend, six time Gold Glove winner JT Snow.

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Speaker 1: JT, what's going on?

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Speaker 3: Man?

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Speaker 1: Thanks for coming on today.

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Speaker 3: Anytime, anytime. Got a lot of initials on this show today. So, yeah,

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Speaker 3: you guys are doing a great job. I watched your

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Speaker 3: last podcast. I believe it. Shana Rubendy, who writes for

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Speaker 3: the Giants, does a great job. She was awesome, And

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Speaker 3: you guys are doing a great job. So my pleasure

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, we got we got to take care of

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Speaker 1: Splash hit territory. Check out the cool logo. We got

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Speaker 1: a kayak and.

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Speaker 2: The cove, so it's very unique to San Francisco. It's

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Speaker 1: So JT we got breaking news right now.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you're you're a professional manager of the Modesto Roadster.

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Speaker 1: So that after broadcasting and after being an advisor for the.

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Speaker 2: Giants, after being a coach for the Oakland Ballers, you're

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Speaker 1: So tell us about that and how it all evolved.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So I was the Pioneer League, which has been

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Speaker 3: around since the forties, used to be affiliated baseball up

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Speaker 3: in Idaho and Montana. A lot of great players. If

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Speaker 3: you get a chance with people out there, google Pioneer

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Speaker 3: League and see some of the alumni have come through there.

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Speaker 3: Two expansion teams a couple of years ago, Oakland and

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Speaker 3: now it's Uba City. They weren't Davis this year. Two

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Speaker 3: more expansion teams, Modesto and Long Beach. And the owner

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Speaker 3: for the Modesto team a guy named Dave Heller. Check

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Speaker 3: him out research him. Owns this will be his fourth

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Speaker 3: minor league team. He owns the Billings Mustangs in the

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Speaker 3: Pioneer League, Quand City River Bandits, and the I believe

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Speaker 3: So anyways, he called me or reached out. He was

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Speaker 3: interested in maybe getting someone that ties to the area,

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Speaker 3: maybe next Giant. So we talked and hashed it out

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Speaker 3: over the last couple of months. And it really goes

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Speaker 3: back to earlier. I did some work with the Giants.

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Speaker 3: I've been doing something since I retired, and I reached

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Speaker 3: out to them first, and then talked to the guys

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Speaker 3: in the minor league system and had a chance to

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Speaker 3: work with Bryce Elders last year, which was fantastic and

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Speaker 3: he's gonna be a great player. And so yeah, that

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Speaker 3: didn't really pan out. Couldn't get it, couldn't get as

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Speaker 3: influence as I wanted. So I took this job. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna manage the Medesto Roadsters. The last time I

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Speaker 3: Star team, So we're gonna it's gonna be a lot

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Speaker 3: of fun. I put together coaching staff. We have three coaches.

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Speaker 3: Pitching coach is a guy named Alex Leech. He's the

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Speaker 3: head baseball coach at Modesto Junior College. Great pitching guy.

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Speaker 3: And then my bench coach is Gary Templeton Junior who

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Speaker 3: we all know is Dad Gary Templeton shortstop with the Podres.

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Speaker 3: So Gary's been in the league a long time, so

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Speaker 3: we're excited. Yeah, it's gonna be fun. Modesta lost their

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Speaker 3: team last year. They've been affiliated ball They were the

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Speaker 3: A's for a long time, as you know FP, and

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Speaker 3: and we can get into it. It's it's gonna be

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Speaker 3: pretty cool because it's it's gonna be a Modesto's team.

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Speaker 3: It's not affiliated with any major league organization. Our goals

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Speaker 1: So what level is this of minor leagues? What would

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Speaker 3: I think it's pretty strong middle to high single A.

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Speaker 3: When I was with the Ballers, I was amazed, and

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Speaker 3: you know this, people probably don't, But when I came

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Speaker 3: So there's half the kids that aren't getting drafted. They're

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Speaker 3: really good players. So what do they do. They go

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Speaker 3: to independent ball. There's four independent leagues in the country.

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Speaker 3: There's the Pioneer, there's a Frontier League in the Midwest,

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Speaker 3: we're already getting, were already putt we got pictures throwing

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Speaker 3: It's like I said, it's gonna be Modesto's team and

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Speaker 3: hoping the fans will come out and are our owner's

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Speaker 3: whole stick is just to make a baseball affordable game.

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Speaker 3: Come out by ticket, you know, grab some food for

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Speaker 3: the kids, grab a beverage, and watch them. Good baseball.

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Speaker 1: Dude.

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Speaker 2: We've been friends for a long time, and we did

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Speaker 2: the fantasy camp for the Giants last year and just

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Speaker 2: you lit up coaching fans and I could just see it.

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Speaker 2: I've known you for thirty years. I could just see

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Speaker 2: it in your face right now, like you're happy, You're excited.

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Speaker 1: You're I think.

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Speaker 2: And I've told you this, like like privately, that I

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Speaker 2: think you were born to coach, and it's so cool

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Speaker 2: to see you do this, and you.

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Speaker 1: Just kind of look managerial sitting there.

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Speaker 2: You texted me last week and you said we're looking

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Speaker 2: for a slogan and I said, Modesto Roadsters drive to Win.

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Speaker 1: Is that gonna stick? Am I gonna get like the

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: You might.

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Speaker 3: You might. There's a bunch of slogans going around guys

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Speaker 3: like full Throttle, guys like pedal to the Medal. If

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Speaker 3: you haven't seen our logo, go to Modesto Baseballs on

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Speaker 3: I'm really appreciate it to the owner. He's given me

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Speaker 3: full just carte blanche to like I designed along with

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Speaker 3: we got home and roads, we got an alternate. We're

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Speaker 3: been fun. I got a chance to I get to

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Speaker 1: You're gonna pay the clubhouse yourself.

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Speaker 3: No, no, I I was there last week last Thursday

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Speaker 3: Modesto High high six figures to paint the ballpark, paint

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I went through with the painter and uh

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Speaker 3: spend in the clubhouse. We have some TV's that we're

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Speaker 3: some guys in the league. Aaron Miles as a manager

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Speaker 3: a lot like UFP, just a grinder, utility guy.

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Speaker 1: He did it.

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Speaker 3: They won the whole league last year, and then Davis

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Speaker 3: But I think the players are starving for it, and

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Speaker 3: there needs to be get back to fundamentals. We watch

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Speaker 3: My players will know the infield fly rule. They will

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Speaker 1: All right, I gotta take care of some business real quick.

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Speaker 3: It's such an era nown society where we were so

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Speaker 2: No, that's much I saw you play in college. At

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Speaker 1: So you're being real humble right now.

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Speaker 2: So Devers, I think is progressing well. Can can Bryce

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Speaker 1: Because you talk about feet, You just talk about feet.

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Speaker 3: I think he can work on it. I think he

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Speaker 3: At the end of the year, my agent was in

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Speaker 3: You know, cutoffs, How do you know when to cut

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Speaker 3: Just read the third base coach. The third base coach

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Speaker 3: He's a great kid. He's a I think he can

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Speaker 1: That's good stuff. But those are nuggets, dude.

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Speaker 2: Those are going to be cut up and people are

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Speaker 2: You did that for the majority of your career, and

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Speaker 1: Why you stopped hitting right handed and just hit left handed?

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Speaker 3: I felt pretty good. And I also knew that I

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Speaker 3: was going to get a day off against a tough

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Speaker 3: lefty right Randy Johnson, Mike Hampton, those guys. Glavin wasn't

437
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Speaker 3: as bad. There was, there were some other good ones.

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Speaker 3: So I knew I was going to get a day off.

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Speaker 3: And then I ended up my splits before so I

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Speaker 3: think righty I was about two twenty lefty to eighty.

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Speaker 3: Then after I stopped. I was two fifty lefty on

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Speaker 3: left and about stay at two eighty, so I got better.

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Speaker 3: And I was also in the National League. And the

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Speaker 3: other reason was I knew i'd be in the game

445
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Speaker 3: late for a double switch or defense, so I was

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Speaker 3: gonna get a chance to play maybe a pinch hit.

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Speaker 3: And as I was getting older, it kind of gave

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Speaker 3: me a little day off. So the thing with Patrick

449
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Speaker 3: Bailey is I'm not sure if he's now to your

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Speaker 3: right or left, but if he did decide, and like

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Speaker 3: you said, that's for him to decide. He catchers get

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Speaker 3: days off so a manager can actually schedule. This is

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Speaker 3: my manager cat now he can actually look ahead in

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Speaker 3: the schedule and the pitching and get he can give

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Speaker 3: you a day off against a tough lefty, like the

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Speaker 3: backup is going to catch that day. You gotta really,

457
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Speaker 3: you know, you got to really work hard at your

458
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Speaker 3: right handed swing because you don't do it as much.

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Speaker 3: So I was like some days I just I would

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Speaker 3: look at the next series, the next couple who were facing,

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Speaker 3: Oh they don't We're facing six righties in a row.

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Speaker 3: So I may not take a lot of right handed

463
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Speaker 3: swings in the cage, but I'm glad I did it.

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Speaker 3: I probably should have done it earlier because and also

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Speaker 3: may also made an adjustment where I moved up on

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Speaker 3: the plate and talking to guys. I talked to Barry

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Speaker 3: a lot about it, and Barry was like, it's not

468
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Speaker 3: that you know you could do it. I've seen you swing.

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Speaker 3: He got me up on the plate a little open

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Speaker 3: stance so that I closed down my front foot and

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Speaker 3: that kept me from my first move my front shoulder

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Speaker 3: flying out, so I was more open. And then as

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Speaker 3: I closed it, it's hard to like close down and

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Speaker 3: then you know, open up. So it was more of

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Speaker 3: one thing. And then he told me, he's like, just

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Speaker 3: look for the ball away, Like, just look middle away.

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Speaker 3: They might show you in They're not going to throw

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Speaker 3: your change up. It's gonna be sliders, per balls and

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Speaker 3: fastballs away.

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Speaker 2: Maybe they have some Ballerina meundies to those would be

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Speaker 2: a good Christmas So quickly and then I want to

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Speaker 2: transition to Barry Bonds.

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Speaker 1: If you were talking could to Patrick Bailey right now quickly?

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Speaker 1: What would you tell him?

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Speaker 2: Would you tell him to do it? And if so,

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Speaker 2: how would you tell him to go about it?

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Speaker 3: I would ask him how he feels, and I would

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Speaker 3: talk to him and kind of get into him mentally

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Speaker 3: about what do you feel left handed as opposed to

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Speaker 3: right handed, and just just get down with him. And

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Speaker 3: it's fun to talk to players because they'll open up

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Speaker 3: to other players. He might tell me, when I go

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Speaker 3: up the right handed, you know that I have no clue.

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Speaker 3: I don't know where my swing's at. I didn't take

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Speaker 3: an your right hand swings today. Would you have ever

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Speaker 3: done lefty on lefty? And then my other point was like,

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Speaker 3: you know, you might just get and you're getting you're

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Speaker 3: getting older. If he can, if he can catch five

520
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Speaker 3: days a week, maybe he gets days off against the lefty.

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Speaker 3: He's gonna be in there late in the game for

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Speaker 3: double switch or for a switch. They don't have to

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Speaker 3: do double switches anymore. But just just to ask him

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Speaker 3: how he feels and just try it. And if he's

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Speaker 3: not comfortable, then bag it and don't do it. But

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Speaker 3: get on that get on that curveball machine. And he could.

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Speaker 3: He hits the ball good the other way like he's

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Speaker 3: a right the right center left center guy. Once when

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Speaker 3: he keeps the ball off the ground and doesn't roll

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Speaker 3: over like a lot of us lefties do, he's he's

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Speaker 3: pretty good. And I think that the thing I liked

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Speaker 3: about him was he was having a rough season, but

533
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Speaker 3: at the end he got better, and it was almost

534
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Speaker 3: like it's easy to it's easy to throw the talent

535
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Speaker 3: at the end of the year and he was getting

536
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Speaker 3: crushed right by people and fans and media, but he rallied,

537
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Speaker 3: had a pretty good end of the year and just

538
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Speaker 3: just enough carrot right to dangle for the next year.

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Speaker 3: But that that kid can he can just flat out cash.

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Speaker 3: I mean you can't. You got to work with that.

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Speaker 3: So anything he gives you offensively's a bonus.

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Speaker 2: I would think the hardest adjustment, Like I was better

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Speaker 2: right handed, and I thought about going straight right. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: actually right, and my right hand is my dominant hand,

545
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Speaker 2: so I could get on top of the ball, and

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Speaker 2: then left handed, I was always underneath it, hitting a

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Speaker 2: lot of fly balls because this Sam.

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Speaker 1: Was a spaz and I couldn't get on top of it.

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Speaker 2: But I always thought, like at the big leagues, with

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Speaker 2: like exploding breaking stuff, if I tried to go straight right,

551
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Speaker 2: that it would be coming at me. And since I

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Speaker 2: was eighteen, I started later than you. I started my

553
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Speaker 2: senior year in high school switch in.

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Speaker 1: Then I would just buckle. So like when when you

555
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Speaker 1: when Bailey.

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Speaker 2: Faces the first three quarter guy left handed that throws us.

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Speaker 2: Isn't there gonna be a tendency to just be like

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Speaker 2: whoa and just buckle and let it go in for

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Speaker 2: a strike.

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Speaker 1: And I don't know that. That's what scared me the most.

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Speaker 3: That's the hardest part. You gotta trust yourself. And I

562
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Speaker 3: thought that the worst thing that's going to happen is

563
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Speaker 3: that it's gonna hit me, you know. But now with

564
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Speaker 3: all their all their guard, their armor they got on,

565
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Speaker 3: it's not gonna hurt. But that's why you get that's

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Speaker 3: when you get down the cage, get get on the machine.

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Speaker 1: It's called everybody soft.

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Speaker 3: And just see it. Just called everybody and get the

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Speaker 3: machine where one starts at your head and break and

570
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Speaker 3: then one starts behind you. And that's why that's why

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Speaker 3: I try to open up so when I close down

572
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Speaker 3: and got kept me in there. And then if you

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Speaker 3: get right on the plate, the hardest, the hardest pitch

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Speaker 3: leftown left, he is gonna throw a two seamer because

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Speaker 3: you don't see him move at the end. And I

576
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Speaker 3: got jammed plenty of times. But you learn to take

577
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Speaker 3: that pitch and then you just center over the shortstop's

578
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Speaker 3: head right you're trying to hit the ball in the

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Speaker 3: left center and see I was let my left hand

580
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Speaker 3: on it, so left handed was my strong arm so

581
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Speaker 3: I could get and then right handed. It was a

582
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Speaker 3: little bit too much of this, like you say, like

583
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Speaker 3: little drags. I had to really like and I tried everything.

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Speaker 3: I had a lot of successes putting the bat on

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Speaker 3: my shoulder, so my hands were this way, and I

586
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Speaker 3: did that when I was with the Angels. Joe Madden

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Speaker 3: was our Rovin hitting coach, so he taught me to

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Speaker 3: do that. Just lay it on your shoulder and then

589
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Speaker 3: that way. Your hands are kind of coming through like

590
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Speaker 3: this instead of like this where I was losing it

591
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Speaker 3: and I was losing the barrel. So I tried everything, and.

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Speaker 2: You know was the adult was Joe Madden insulted because

593
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Speaker 2: you didn't put sorry inside joked there.

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Speaker 3: I love Joe. He's the first guy I ever saw

595
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Speaker 3: with a laptop computer. And I was in Vancouver and

596
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Speaker 3: Triple A, I guess got sent down. He had a

597
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Speaker 3: laptop computer logging all your bats and the only thing

598
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Speaker 3: he said he did this print out. He came out

599
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Speaker 3: to me, he goes, look what you're hitting ahead in

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Speaker 3: the count one, o, two, one, three, one three, zero

601
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Speaker 3: above three fifty, every one of them. He goes, look

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Speaker 3: what you hit behind the count? One two, one below

603
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Speaker 3: two hundred. Everyone He's like, so go get ahead the count,

604
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Speaker 3: get a good pitch to hit like that was our analytics.

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Speaker 1: Keep it simple.

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Speaker 2: I love it all right, Uh all giants fans love

607
00:27:27,960 --> 00:27:31,680
Speaker 2: to hear Barry Bond stories. You played with Barry during

608
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Speaker 2: his most dominant era. What was he like in the clubhouse?

609
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Speaker 2: What was he like as a teammate. I came on

610
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Speaker 2: here early and said that I would rather have Jeff

611
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Speaker 2: kent up in a big situation than Barry, And I

612
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 2: thought about it after the show.

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Speaker 1: Dude, sometimes you say the stupidest crap. I meant that

614
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Speaker 1: that Barry wouldn't get a chance to hit he had walking.

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Speaker 1: They would walk him. So I didn't articulate that. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure if Barry saw I'm gonna hear about it.

617
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Speaker 2: But talk about talk about Barry Bonds as a teammate

618
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Speaker 2: in the clubhouse and maybe share some stories with him

619
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Speaker 2: from behind the scenes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. So I didn't know this at the time when

621
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Speaker 3: I retire, but a reporter came up and said that,

622
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Speaker 3: he said, you know, you played with Arry longer than

623
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Speaker 3: anybody in his career. And I said, I didn't know that. Yeah,

624
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,920
Speaker 3: he said nine years. He was with the Pirates for six,

625
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,119
Speaker 3: but the Giants had some rope. He said, yeah, you

626
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 3: played with them longer. We had the same agent. So

627
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:25,280
Speaker 3: I knew Barry off the field from some things. The

628
00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 3: first time I ever met Barry was in the off

629
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Speaker 3: Sea and I got trained and we were going to

630
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 3: function and a fundraiser, and he came up and we

631
00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,719
Speaker 3: talked and he goes to me. He says, you provide

632
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 3: the defense and I'll provide the offense a lot of

633
00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 3: games and I said, well, you know I can swing

634
00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 3: it too. You know, I just got done hitting like

635
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 3: twenty four and driving in one hundred runs. He's like,

636
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 3: just worry about the defense. But he's the smartest hitter

637
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:51,240
Speaker 3: I ever played with. And you got to tap into him.

638
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 3: He didn't come out outwardly and just volunteer stuff, but

639
00:28:57,520 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 3: when you got him on a plane or you got

640
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 3: him in the dugout, he was great. And he he

641
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 3: really added about two or three years onto my career

642
00:29:06,160 --> 00:29:10,680
Speaker 3: because I adjusted later in my career and I was

643
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 3: watching him like, well, if he chokes up. Everybody should

644
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 3: choke up. Because he was all about the barrel. He

645
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 3: got me to move up on the plate, and then

646
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,520
Speaker 3: he got me to move up in the batter's box

647
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,479
Speaker 3: because his theory was, when you bunt, you move up

648
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:25,040
Speaker 3: in the box right because it makes the foul lines

649
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Speaker 3: go wider. He goes, why won't you do that as

650
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 3: a hitter, move up in the box. Now, the balls

651
00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 3: I was pulling foul down the right field line were

652
00:29:31,760 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 3: staying fair. The balls down the left field line are

653
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 3: staying fair. The ball out the right fielder is now,

654
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:40,719
Speaker 3: you know, to his right. And he was just like,

655
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 3: there's there's four areas on the field where you can

656
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 3: get a hit down the right field line, right center,

657
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 3: left center, left field line. The other you can get

658
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 3: hit the other areas, but it's got to be like

659
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 3: a perfect line drive. You can get it hit the left, straight, left, center, right.

660
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 3: You had a perfect line drive to get the ball down.

661
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:59,720
Speaker 3: So he's like, focus on those four areas to drive

662
00:29:59,760 --> 00:30:02,520
Speaker 3: the ball. And it worked. And a lot of guys

663
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 3: are afraid to move up in the box. But I

664
00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:07,480
Speaker 3: found when I moved up in the box, I got it.

665
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:10,240
Speaker 3: Got me going mentally It gets you into the fire

666
00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 3: and like you got to be ready to hit. And

667
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 3: then he was right balls. They started hitting at the

668
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 3: center fielder. We're now in right center and vice versa.

669
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 3: Get we were in a game once in Atlanta and

670
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 3: there's a pitching change like this left he came in.

671
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 3: I was sitting next to Barry in the dock. He

672
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 3: was up third that inning or second, and the guys

673
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,760
Speaker 3: getting his eight warm up pitch, he bounced like four

674
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 3: of his off speed pitches. So I never forget. Barry

675
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 3: was putting his helmet on it, and he looks and

676
00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 3: he goes, do you really think he's gonna throw that

677
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 3: to me? He goes, he can't even throw it with

678
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:44,120
Speaker 3: nobody else at the plate. He goes, he ain't throwing

679
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 3: that to me. He just bounced four of on me

680
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,280
Speaker 3: through four and then he got up and first pitch

681
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 3: he looked fastball, boom, home run, runs around the bases,

682
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 3: takes his helmet off. He looks at me and he's

683
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 3: just like I told him, it's an easy game. And

684
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 3: so that's that's something to stuff.

685
00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:03,400
Speaker 2: You can't see that in an iPad, exactly right. I

686
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:05,840
Speaker 2: I keep I see these guys in the iPads, and

687
00:31:05,880 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 2: I know that it's very helpful. But like the game

688
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 2: is an open book.

689
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 1: It's a cheat sheet.

690
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 2: It's right out there in front of you, whether it's

691
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:16,320
Speaker 2: warm up pitches, whether you're watching the third basement between innings.

692
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,160
Speaker 2: You can't throw the ball the first you lay down

693
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,160
Speaker 2: a butnt pitch your tipping pitches.

694
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: Like it's all out there in front of you. And

695
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,680
Speaker 1: I see these guys and it's kind of maybe.

696
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 2: I'm sounding old and screaming at clouds right now, but

697
00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,200
Speaker 2: there's so much information to be gathered by just having

698
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 2: your head up and watching the game.

699
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 3: Watch the game. I remember our great pitching coach, David Getty.

700
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 3: We'd be in the dugout. He was like, guys, watch

701
00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 3: the game, and so like Barry would do that in

702
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 3: between innings. I also had really good talks. I remember

703
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 3: in two thousand we lost the Mets and we were

704
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:46,600
Speaker 3: flying back home and in the playoffs, and Barry was

705
00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 3: not very good in the playoffs throughout his career until

706
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:51,840
Speaker 3: two that year. We went on a run, but we

707
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,720
Speaker 3: sat on the plane for two hours and him and

708
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 3: I had a few beers and we sat there and talked,

709
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 3: and he opened up to me like probably nobody in

710
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,959
Speaker 3: his career and telling me things like how he feels

711
00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 3: like the whole world's watching the teams on his shoulders.

712
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,640
Speaker 3: And because I'd always played pretty good in the postseason,

713
00:32:08,680 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 3: I just played like I have a theory that guys

714
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 3: that played the same all year getting the postseason just

715
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:16,840
Speaker 3: keep playing the same. The stakes are higher, the adrenalines higher.

716
00:32:17,400 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 3: But and Barry was telling me, He's like, I get

717
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 3: up and I paced around my hotel room at night,

718
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 3: I can't sleep. I get to the yard. I know

719
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 3: every abbat, everybody wants me to hit a home run.

720
00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 3: So we had a really good talk, and I think

721
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 3: he got a little bit of that, and I said,

722
00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 3: just you know, Barry loved it when you jabbed him.

723
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 3: And so I said something to him like, hey, Barry,

724
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,320
Speaker 3: you're not as good as you think you are, like

725
00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 3: come on, and then the two went to he went off,

726
00:32:42,320 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 3: and then O three, the same thing. So I remember

727
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:47,320
Speaker 3: him talking to me going, yeah, just just relaxed me.

728
00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 3: He had a lot of anxiety, and he had a

729
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 3: lot of like stress and stuff early on in the play,

730
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 3: and the you know, the whole like the Sidbream thing

731
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 3: right in Pittsburgh and Atlanta when the guys took a

732
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,120
Speaker 3: lot of flock to that. But I like Barry's he

733
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 3: was good to me. Best hitter ever saw. I was

734
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 3: very lucky. Tell people I played the best left handed

735
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 3: hitter ever and Barry the best right handed hitter I

736
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,400
Speaker 3: think I ever saw. It was Manny ra rror Is.

737
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 3: My last year in Boston, I got to play with

738
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 3: Manny and see him and those guys are special.

739
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 2: My first day in spring training as a Giant, I

740
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 2: walked down the stairs in scott Stale in the clubhouse

741
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 2: and there's Barry and my locker's real close to him,

742
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 2: and I went over and shook his hand and he goes, man,

743
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:32,400
Speaker 2: I thought you were a smart player. And I go,

744
00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,880
Speaker 2: what are you talking about? He's like, he goes, you're

745
00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,400
Speaker 2: dumb for signing with us. He goes, you used to

746
00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: kill us. He used to kill us. He goes, not

747
00:33:41,040 --> 00:33:43,719
Speaker 2: all those hits you got against us, He goes, you

748
00:33:43,800 --> 00:33:46,120
Speaker 2: just took them away for this year because you're now

749
00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 2: you're on our team.

750
00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: Was like, oh crap, maybe I was.

751
00:33:50,560 --> 00:33:51,880
Speaker 3: I never really thought of that.

752
00:33:52,400 --> 00:33:54,120
Speaker 2: And my other story, and you know this one I

753
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 2: tell it all the time, was we were in Colorado

754
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 2: playing the Rockies and we had lost like five in

755
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,360
Speaker 2: a row, and Barry was in charge of the stereo

756
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 2: in the clubhouse and he would play the rap music

757
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: every day, which we all liked, but it wasn't working.

758
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 1: And I said, Barry, be let me do the Let

759
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:09,719
Speaker 1: me do.

760
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:11,959
Speaker 2: The stereo today and put some ac DC in, crank

761
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 2: it up a little bit to change the mojo. And

762
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 2: he goes, you ain't touch in this radio. And I

763
00:34:17,719 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 2: think at the time he had won three MVPs already.

764
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 2: He goes, when you win three MVPs, you can do

765
00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,759
Speaker 2: the radio. And in front of the whole team, I said,

766
00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 2: I have won three MVPs. B I was MVP in

767
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,320
Speaker 2: my high school team, my junior college team, in my

768
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:32,359
Speaker 2: my college team.

769
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: And everyone goes, oh, no, you didn't.

770
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:37,439
Speaker 2: And he he loved me from that day on because,

771
00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 2: like you said, I ribbed him.

772
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 1: I gave him crapping for the whole team. And I

773
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: used to say stuff like.

774
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 2: Player the decade, my ass, you got to go first

775
00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 2: to third on that ball in the shower after the game.

776
00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: So you used to tell me, He's like, careful, he

777
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:50,160
Speaker 1: likes you, now.

778
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 3: You know what, And I think that's a good like people.

779
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 3: The great players are great. What are the top ten

780
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 3: percent of players? But they like it when you kind

781
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,160
Speaker 3: of rib on because everyone just you know, kind of

782
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 3: kisses her behind and bows down. But my dad was

783
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 3: great like that. Would go to Saint Louis and my

784
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:09,040
Speaker 3: dad would come in the clubhouse and my dad and

785
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 3: Barry love my dad because my dad would be like, hey,

786
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 3: what are you What are you gonna do tonight? Do

787
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,200
Speaker 3: something thrill me? And my dad would be like, you

788
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:17,399
Speaker 3: ain't that good? Like I've seen you, you ain't that good?

789
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 3: He goes, and then he told he goes, now your dad, Bobby,

790
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:22,000
Speaker 3: he was a hell of a player. And then Ben,

791
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 3: oh you have like And then Barry go all that

792
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 3: night and hit two homers and come back to the

793
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 3: clubhouse and my dad would be like, good show, good

794
00:35:29,840 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 3: dude again tomorrow. That's a great thing about baseball. So

795
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 3: he loved it. He loved the kids. He had the place,

796
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 3: the big TV with the recliner in the clubhouse, and

797
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 3: we allays used to bring the kids. And I brought

798
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,160
Speaker 3: my son one day and we came and all the

799
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 3: kids would play PlayStation during batting practice and there's a

800
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 3: rule you know with your kids, like you can you

801
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,319
Speaker 3: can have whatever you have candy this. So we're coming

802
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 3: after VP one today, Barry walks in. He's like, hey,

803
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 3: there's chocolate all over my chair. Like who there's like

804
00:35:57,080 --> 00:35:58,880
Speaker 3: four kids in the clubhouse. And I looked at my

805
00:35:58,920 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 3: son Hine and he had chalk but like all around

806
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 3: and down. I said, you better go over and apologize, Barry.

807
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 3: So he went over and apologize, and Barry's like, that's okay,

808
00:36:08,160 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 3: you know, snowflake clean. So he cleaned it up and

809
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,080
Speaker 3: then but he loved it. Like those guys like when

810
00:36:13,080 --> 00:36:17,439
Speaker 3: you just you can challenge him a little bit. There's

811
00:36:17,560 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 3: there's so much knowledge there that yeah. And I saw

812
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 3: it with Barry and then Mandy when the great one

813
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 3: starts struggling, it's hard on them, like the whole playoff thing.

814
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 3: And then I was in Boston. Manny got off to

815
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 3: a terrible start and he's like, what do you see, Poppy,

816
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 3: what do you see? I said, you're not ready to

817
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 3: hit the fastball. Every fastball you fell back, Okay. So

818
00:36:35,560 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 3: he would look at me in the dugout and fenway,

819
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 3: we're in the first day stuff, and I would just

820
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,320
Speaker 3: go like this, look for the fastball. And then he

821
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:43,960
Speaker 3: started getting hot, two hits a game. And then he

822
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 3: came up one at bat and I told one of

823
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:47,759
Speaker 3: the players, you go watch this. I'm gonna go down

824
00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 3: the runway and he can't find me. He's looking for me,

825
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 3: and he strikes out. And he comes back and he says, Poppy,

826
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,600
Speaker 3: we're warrious. I'd used the bathroom. Sorry, he goes, I

827
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 3: just struck out. I need you, I need you. And

828
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 3: I'm like, so, it's just little things like that, Like

829
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 3: it's great looking back, it's great to play with great players.

830
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 1: Well, that's where you're gonna make a great manager.

831
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 2: And hey, congratulations on the modesto thing.

832
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: That's super cool. I'm super happy for you. You got to

833
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,080
Speaker 1: come out that I will, Dude, I'm gonna.

834
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 2: I'm gonna come out and just teach your kids how

835
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 2: not to play.

836
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,120
Speaker 3: No, I'm gonna. One of my goals is in Gevy

837
00:37:20,120 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 3: holme stand. I'm gonna try and get a former big

838
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:23,560
Speaker 3: league got to come out for a day or two

839
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 3: and just I want you to come out and work

840
00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 3: with the utility guys and and tell them how you

841
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 3: round the bases and introduce you guys, and I got

842
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 3: some guys to the Bay Area. I've already reached out

843
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 3: to guys like like Noah Lowry and when Rich really

844
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 3: is in town, and I got some buddies when they

845
00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:39,920
Speaker 3: come through, just come out and spin to day with

846
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 3: these kids. They love it. They soak it up and

847
00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:44,400
Speaker 3: they love it. I reach out to Mark Gardner and

848
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 3: Guardy's gonna come to some games and show them. I

849
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 3: yell the curveball and show them, you know, Guardy Guardy

850
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 3: through ninety ninety one and just carve people up. So

851
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 3: it's it's gonna be fun. I can't wait. It's a

852
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 3: lot of work, but I love it.

853
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:57,680
Speaker 2: Thanks for coming on today. I'll teach them how to

854
00:37:57,719 --> 00:37:59,360
Speaker 2: go out after the game too if you let me.

855
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 2: But but thanks for coming on, dude. It's been a

856
00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 2: pleasure that this was good. I mean, Giants fans are

857
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 2: going to eat this up. This is this is really

858
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,720
Speaker 2: good stuff. So thanks for coming on and I'll text

859
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:13,960
Speaker 2: you after. But have a great day, dude, Thanks so much.

860
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 3: Okay, good look for the show. Guys doing a great job.

861
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 3: And I'm watching this show, so I'll watch this one

862
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:19,399
Speaker 3: and yeah, keep going.

863
00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:21,880
Speaker 2: Yeah you can find us on splash it at splash

864
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:25,600
Speaker 2: it Territory on x on Instagram and obviously go to

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