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Speaker 1: framed into this chronically online political discourse of oh, it's

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00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,680
Speaker 1: the CIA coup and it's like, no, it's not a

424
00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 1: CIA coup. Yeah, the CIA horrible all the time. Yeah, exactly,

425
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 1: they've been they've been up to no good. But but

426
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 1: the problem is when you start calling everything that doesn't

427
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:47,240
Speaker 1: agree with your political ideology a CIA coup, you're essentially

428
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: taking off agency from a whole race of people, a

429
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 1: whole nation. Oh they couldn't those brown people that couldn't

430
00:23:53,840 --> 00:23:56,400
Speaker 1: possibly rise up on their own, It must be the CIA.

431
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:59,400
Speaker 1: It's like an invited racist idea. To be honest, Um,

432
00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:04,520
Speaker 1: we're not been invited, but right side up racist. Yeah,

433
00:24:03,680 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 1: yeah exactly. So that to me it was really really annoying.

434
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 1: But I was really focused on it at the time

435
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 1: and it was very fascinating. There was literally footage of

436
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:15,520
Speaker 1: Maduro on TV. UM there's a famous video of him.

437
00:24:15,560 --> 00:24:18,400
Speaker 1: He's accidentally caught on camera like he's such a fat pig,

438
00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 1: he couldn't go anywhere without a sandwich, so he's like

439
00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,520
Speaker 1: eating a sandwich on live TV whilst people were literally

440
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:27,960
Speaker 1: in bins, like eating out of bins, you know, and

441
00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 1: you know, you had these often cremling link media was saying, oh,

442
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 1: it's this, it's a lie, it's a Western whatever. I

443
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:39,960
Speaker 1: had friends that went there, um and not even I'm

444
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: fairly politically, you know, I'm deeply anti authoritarian, anti fascist

445
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 1: my whole life. But other than that, I'm not. I'm

446
00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,720
Speaker 1: obsorticularly you know, tied to any ideology. I'm not interested

447
00:24:49,720 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: in is um schism, this and that. But I have

448
00:24:51,600 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 1: friends that are like you know, reporters that don't not

449
00:24:54,080 --> 00:24:56,560
Speaker 1: really you know, don't give a ship about politics. And

450
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 1: even they went there and we're like, yeah, no, this

451
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 1: is There are children like you know, have it, like

452
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,120
Speaker 1: the can't starving literally like you know what I mean

453
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,120
Speaker 1: in Venezuela at the same time as maduros on TV

454
00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:09,919
Speaker 1: eating burgers and stuff. So you know, there was this

455
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,840
Speaker 1: really genuine movement and there was extremely tough clashes in

456
00:25:13,880 --> 00:25:17,400
Speaker 1: the streets. There was even a group trying to kill

457
00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 1: Maduro with like a drone mounted bomb, so you know,

458
00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 1: like a d g ey drone you can get from Amazon,

459
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 1: you know, like influences get them and that they're pretty useful. Um, people,

460
00:25:28,600 --> 00:25:30,200
Speaker 1: this has happened all over the world by the way,

461
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,360
Speaker 1: like Isis have used it, the Kurds have used it.

462
00:25:32,840 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: Um It's been used in Ukraine right now. There's a

463
00:25:35,040 --> 00:25:41,760
Speaker 1: way to like attach a grenade to it basically, so yeah, yeah,

464
00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,560
Speaker 1: very yeah, yeah yeah. So so they did that at Medua,

465
00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 1: like they tried to attack him like that. There was

466
00:25:47,880 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: this there's this guy. I think Guido was the opposition.

467
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,400
Speaker 1: He was very comfortable with America. But again it's it's

468
00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 1: one of these ones where and anyone annoys me. I'm

469
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:59,120
Speaker 1: very critical of America, but it's one of these ones

470
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 1: where it's like if you're on the back for an

471
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 1: America guy, like do you want her hand? What you're

472
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 1: gonna do? No, sorry, some people on the internet are

473
00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 1: gonna get really mad with me, like no, of course

474
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 1: you're okay, yeah, you know, like you know, it's a

475
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:14,800
Speaker 1: lot of people are having to go at the Kurds

476
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 1: because you know, there are kind of left libertarian organization

477
00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,440
Speaker 1: in Java and they were like, oh, these hyper online

478
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,359
Speaker 1: communists or Stalinists. Most of them were like, oh, we

479
00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: hate them because they took assistance from America. Now, what

480
00:26:27,800 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: you're saying there is these Kurds should have died, perished,

481
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: and been wiped out by isis to make us happy

482
00:26:35,160 --> 00:26:38,879
Speaker 1: here in America because of our ideology. People are pragmatic

483
00:26:38,920 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: in war. And yes, look look the name on a gun.

484
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 1: Do matt as weapons? Like Ja Stuck said, a weapon

485
00:26:47,000 --> 00:27:17,280
Speaker 1: has no ideology. A weapon has no ideology. Exactly, it's like, look,

486
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: when you're hungry, you'll take birth, saying themselves, you know

487
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:25,159
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And yeah, and that's and that's I

488
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:27,800
Speaker 1: love how you tapped on that, and especially like why

489
00:27:27,840 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: they're making nice with America because it's like, you know,

490
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: we out here complaining about these gas prices. But again,

491
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 1: I'm from the city, and I understand sometimes the price

492
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 1: of something is much more than what you're paying, you

493
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So if it's like, if I'm

494
00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:47,200
Speaker 1: gonna come get this oil from Russia, you understand what

495
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying, then that put me in a situation where

496
00:27:49,080 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 1: I'm like Russia, you you're gonna owe them, You owe

497
00:27:52,760 --> 00:27:55,400
Speaker 1: them mold than what you're paying them, So you better

498
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:57,440
Speaker 1: find you a new connect, you know what I'm saying.

499
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:00,320
Speaker 1: So it's like, so even if even if you go

500
00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:03,160
Speaker 1: to mess around here and pretend like like as America

501
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:06,040
Speaker 1: you find a pretend like the president who's the president,

502
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: who ain't really the president because ain't nobody actually vote

503
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 1: for this, you know what I'm saying. But if you like, look,

504
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 1: if he got some roil, like I take it from

505
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,560
Speaker 1: this mess, then I will from that mess because it's

506
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 1: gonna cost me less. Absolutely, And I really think people

507
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,800
Speaker 1: need to understand that it's a harsh reality, but there is.

508
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,960
Speaker 1: There is not really moral governments. Everything is a business

509
00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:30,479
Speaker 1: transaction at the end of the day. Um, And I

510
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: think that's that's not conspiratorial, it's obvious. You know. It's like,

511
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,760
Speaker 1: you know, it's sorry to get America political, but I

512
00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: remember when people were like, oh, Biden and Kamala are

513
00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: these great But it's like whoa, no, no, no, no,

514
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,200
Speaker 1: they're not great people the same as everyone else. You

515
00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: just would rather them like, let's not get it twisted, Like, yeah,

516
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: I really I don't. There's a thing like that in

517
00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 1: Europe as well, Like people are like NATO, it's amazing ambivalent,

518
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:59,600
Speaker 1: like not ambivalent, like like ethical organization. And it's like, no,

519
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: they're not ethical there, there is no ethics. It's just

520
00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:05,239
Speaker 1: it's a it's a coalition of people that are in

521
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: the same group that don't want to stop war on

522
00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: their doorstep. I get it, of course, it makes sense

523
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:13,760
Speaker 1: and and to some degree I'm glad it exists for

524
00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,480
Speaker 1: my own selfish reasons totally. But that doesn't mean they

525
00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:19,719
Speaker 1: haven't done horrible things as well. You just look like

526
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,720
Speaker 1: I'm like this, you just need to have a list

527
00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: of people that will jump in if you're getting jumped exactly, Like,

528
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what there you know, and I don't care.

529
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: We should talk about this briefly about Ukraine. So obviously

530
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: there's a problem with far right extremism neo Nazism in Ukraine,

531
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: of course. Of course it's in Eastern Europe. Million people

532
00:29:41,240 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: lived there, you know, Yes, of course the point the

533
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: Nazis occupied the place. Yeah, there's a real big problem

534
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: with it. However, if you're an old woman and you're

535
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 1: in some house and the Russians are trying to literally

536
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:54,640
Speaker 1: blow you up and your kids. And the Nazi comes

537
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,080
Speaker 1: to the door and says, oh, we're coming to protect you.

538
00:29:57,560 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: She's not going to go hang on, let me check

539
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: your ideology. Yeah, it's just gonna be like, you know,

540
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: save it, save us whatever. And again they are actually

541
00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 1: you know, they're getting a lot of exposure because everybody

542
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,600
Speaker 1: jumps on it, but they're actually a really small part

543
00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,320
Speaker 1: of the fighting force. You're talking about a hundred and

544
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: fifty I think thousand regular troops versus uh a neo

545
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:19,680
Speaker 1: Nazi battalion of maybe two three thousand, which is bad.

546
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: Don't get me wor um. You know, there's also Jewish battalions.

547
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 1: There's a whole anti fascist battalion which I'm going to

548
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 1: film with soon. There's a Muslim battalion. There's a had

549
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: This battalion, you know, you had this battalion fights alongside

550
00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 1: one of the Nazi battalions. Look, war is crazy. That's

551
00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, man, like, when the bullets fly,

552
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 1: you like, we'll deal with this later, you know, the exactly.

553
00:30:43,080 --> 00:30:45,640
Speaker 1: And it doesn't mean it's good. It doesn't mean it's good,

554
00:30:45,760 --> 00:30:47,920
Speaker 1: but it's happening, and deal with it, you know, and

555
00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: people are dealing with it. I spoke to a Jewish

556
00:30:50,400 --> 00:30:52,640
Speaker 1: guy in a battalion the other day about the I

557
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:54,080
Speaker 1: was like, look, come on, might be honest, there's a

558
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:57,280
Speaker 1: fascist problem here. He's like, well, yeah, he was like,

559
00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:01,040
Speaker 1: but Russia is trying to bomb us. He's like, I

560
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:03,120
Speaker 1: don't care. He's like, I don't care. That's like, we'll

561
00:31:03,160 --> 00:31:06,800
Speaker 1: deal with that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's easy for me,

562
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: you know. And I have been very vocal about as if.

563
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:11,880
Speaker 1: I've been reporting on them for eight years. You know.

564
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,400
Speaker 1: I made a documentary with them, showing all of the

565
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,040
Speaker 1: Nazi and far right imagery amongst them and what they do.

566
00:31:18,320 --> 00:31:20,640
Speaker 1: But it's very easy to be in a safe spot

567
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 1: on the internet and oh well they shouldn't they're bad,

568
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 1: And it's like, no, they are bad. But right now, um,

569
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:28,640
Speaker 1: I think the people that you know are in the

570
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,680
Speaker 1: town where they're fighting, just happy anyone is there. You

571
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying the same reason that a lot

572
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: of Muslims in Syria that live in Idlib, for example,

573
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 1: don't believe in the ideology of high terrier el Sham

574
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: that run Idlib. They have a very hardline frankly far

575
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: right ideology fascist, you know, like an islam of fascist

576
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: kind of ideology. Um, and most of the the people in

577
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 1: Italy are lovely, you know what they're getting people, But

578
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,040
Speaker 1: what they're gonna do say like no, get out, No,

579
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: they have to just deal with it, you know. It's

580
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,600
Speaker 1: the same sort of thing, to be honest, that's good man. Yeah.

581
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 1: And it's it's like it's very easy to I don't know,

582
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,480
Speaker 1: it's easy to be I'm sure people will listen to me,

583
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: but like, oh my god, he's an apologist. It's like, no, man,

584
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,640
Speaker 1: I'm not. I've just and look at my work. I

585
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,240
Speaker 1: really am not, you know, like I've done. You know,

586
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: my reporting has helped to win to do Punt Award,

587
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: my report and on far right militancy in America, I

588
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 1: hate them. But war is war like ones. You know,

589
00:32:23,040 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 1: you have to seen it, you have to have understood

590
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 1: it just to just to realize that. And it's also yeah,

591
00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 1: it's also like being in it. Like my father, former

592
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:34,840
Speaker 1: black panther, he was in the Vietnam War. Yeah, and

593
00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 1: was like he was like his his like battalion chiefs.

594
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:42,400
Speaker 1: So you know, sergeant whatever, he's like from the Deep South,

595
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: horribly racist. You know what I mean. And he was like,

596
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: it is what it is. The bullets are flying, like,

597
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: you know, funk that guy. But like, if the bullets

598
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: are flying, you know what I'm saying. And I'm like,

599
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:55,880
Speaker 1: I'm a shoot into the smoke, you know, and and

600
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 1: like and and it is what it is, you know.

601
00:32:58,200 --> 00:33:01,719
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's complicated and war. It's real life. It's

602
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,520
Speaker 1: it's real life. Everybody has been so twitterized in their

603
00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: ideologies and their opinions, and it's like, no, it's real life.

604
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: You know what you're saying. Your dad didn't like that guy,

605
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 1: of course not. But what's he gonna do? Yeah, just

606
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 1: like sorry, I'll just get shot or yeah, bro, like

607
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna do this, you know what I'm saying. So

608
00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 1: authoritarian Maduro streets rise up. I know they have an election,

609
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 1: right right, like a few years ago. Yeah, and they

610
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: elect them all last other dude, right, well this again, Yeah,

611
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: so help me out. No, I'm a little rusty on it.

612
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I think Guido I think he was elected,

613
00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,440
Speaker 1: but then he won the majority. I could be wrong

614
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,720
Speaker 1: in this. I forget exactly he won something anyway, But

615
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:46,280
Speaker 1: the thing is Maduro was not going to let him

616
00:33:46,280 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 1: win of you know what I'm saying, And it's like, yeah,

617
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: and I know a lot of Venezuelans actually through the work.

618
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,800
Speaker 1: I didn't at the time. I very nearly went there

619
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: to film but it got too tricky. But you know,

620
00:33:56,640 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: a lot of the antimoduro Venice Whalens, the Ice Polkes,

621
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 1: you didn't really like guide though, but they were just like, well,

622
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,760
Speaker 1: he's better than who else. We're gonna vote for the

623
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,239
Speaker 1: option right now, you know. So that was that was

624
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,760
Speaker 1: one thing, um, and then yeah, he basically just didn't

625
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,720
Speaker 1: allow it. It's like, if you're putting people in prison

626
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 1: for speaking out about certain things, it's very easy for

627
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: him to just go, no, that doesn't exist. You know,

628
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: that's like an I legitimate reason for it, you know

629
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,879
Speaker 1: what I mean. And it's just like right, it's it's

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Speaker 1: Then it's like, well you're okay, song as your self censor,

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Speaker 1: don't mention this. And you know, as we all know,

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Speaker 1: it's a very very slippery slope. And you know it's

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Speaker 1: it's like once that starts being allowed, um, then it

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Speaker 1: That's the issue. I don't know about Guido he you know,

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Speaker 1: You know, he didn't really have He did have a

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Speaker 1: it was for resistance to the authoritarians. Yeah, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean. It was just like, yeah, we love

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Speaker 1: guard though. I mean there's there's a little bit of

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Speaker 1: that in um getting rid of old Trumpy. It's like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're not fans of like you said, we're not fans

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Speaker 1: He's the bare minimum, like just like just like it

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Speaker 1: just I guess, I guess, you know what I mean. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: some people they can't I find And I really think

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Speaker 1: really disingenuous. Yeah, I'm not disingenuous. I'm actually opposite. I

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Speaker 1: It's just I'm not I don't you know. For me

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Speaker 1: to say, right, I'm completely against Putin's invasion doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: like that's yeah, yeah, yeah, people like nuances. I say

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Speaker 1: nuances sacred word like and it's and it is as

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Speaker 1: so much more interesting, all right, because you can get

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Speaker 1: on with people that you don't always agree with. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. That's good man. All right, I might

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Speaker 1: have to stop you all right here, because this mug

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Speaker 1: is getting hell along. Uh. Tune in next week from

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