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Speaker 1: This is our life, this is our passion. That's the

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Speaker 1: spirit we bring to this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm

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Speaker 1: Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 2: This this Morning Combat.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah? Is that sound again? The Sound of Art Friday,

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Speaker 3: January twentieth, twenty twenty three, Live local and late breaking.

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Speaker 3: It's the award winning combat sports showcase known as Morning Combat.

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Speaker 3: I'm just one half of the equation that BBC with

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Speaker 3: the BDE the Base Fella inside of Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, Today

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Speaker 3: Hotel Life ahead of tonight's showbox, the new Generation Card.

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Speaker 3: This is Brian Campbell, welcome, thank you very much. But

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Speaker 3: the man next to me right Nation's capital, integrity, toughness,

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Speaker 3: it's Luke tan Lt. Are you ready to set the

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Speaker 3: stage for UFC two eighty three or not? That's the

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Speaker 2: I am although we tested this set up yesterday and

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Speaker 2: wonder if mikey armtrepid producer wants to put the video

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Speaker 3: Reckon, the waters of life are equally choppy. Okay, we persevere. Nonetheless,

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Speaker 3: for yourself if this is a desperate move to stay

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Speaker 3: you know what you got going there? PC Award winning shit. Okay,

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Speaker 3: I believe that, believe that we're gonna get Luke on

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Speaker 3: broken down. But great show for you today. Obviously, UFC

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Speaker 3: week's debut of the Head to Head Challenge. Each week

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Speaker 3: between Luke Thomas and myself, I took a shellakin and

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Speaker 3: that one spoiler Earlert. We'll see how that plays this

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Speaker 3: time and recap the latest news. Hey, a lot of

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Speaker 3: fights being made in boxing and MMA. Are the rumors

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Speaker 3: back at John Jones's recent comments, step A Miocic and

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Speaker 3: so much more. But while I have Luke Thomas here

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Speaker 3: but you keep teasing. There's big names to come, the

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Speaker 2: We have two guests to announce. By the way, this

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Speaker 2: And I gotta say, you know, we got an update

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Speaker 3: Can't wait for it. So there you go, right there, Luke,

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Speaker 2: No, there is UFC two eighty three tomorrow, and of

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Speaker 3: like it would be, especially if he has success. But

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00:19:52,440 --> 00:19:55,119
Speaker 3: maybe maybe I'm wrong. Maybe the success is ultimately the

430
00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,640
Speaker 3: thing that leads him down the dark roads. Life is tough, Luke.

431
00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,159
Speaker 2: I just don't know why folks would look at this

432
00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:03,640
Speaker 2: and think this is something this chapter is built for longevity.

433
00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:07,840
Speaker 2: He's been in the fight game fifteen years ish, something

434
00:20:07,960 --> 00:20:10,399
Speaker 2: like that, certainly by the time that his you know,

435
00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,600
Speaker 2: next birthday rolls around. So we're talking a very long

436
00:20:13,600 --> 00:20:15,359
Speaker 2: time prize fighting. And I get what you're saying with

437
00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,920
Speaker 2: long breaks, and there's other reasons why you might want

438
00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:19,640
Speaker 2: to consider this the thing that he could keep doing

439
00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,199
Speaker 2: and keep going. But I was not surprised by this

440
00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:24,800
Speaker 2: at all. I was surprised he's actually signed to come back.

441
00:20:24,840 --> 00:20:27,159
Speaker 2: First of all, the eight fight deal you knew was

442
00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,680
Speaker 2: a retirement contract, right, That's what they're doing. They're locking

443
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:33,520
Speaker 2: him into a retirement contract. And then which is going

444
00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:34,960
Speaker 2: to say that after two fights, if he goes in

445
00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,119
Speaker 2: there and blows the doors off these guys, that they

446
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:39,480
Speaker 2: couldn't figure something else out for future fights. I mean, again,

447
00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,439
Speaker 2: there are some ways he has three maybe four, but

448
00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:44,679
Speaker 2: he's been burned out for a while. I think he's

449
00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:46,800
Speaker 2: I think he both loves MMA, but it can get

450
00:20:46,840 --> 00:20:48,960
Speaker 2: bored by it over time, which is why he was never,

451
00:20:49,320 --> 00:20:51,399
Speaker 2: you know, living a monastic life that a lot of

452
00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,720
Speaker 2: other fighters have to, even very good ones, where they're

453
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,959
Speaker 2: constantly in the gym. I also don't I mean, dude,

454
00:20:56,560 --> 00:21:00,199
Speaker 2: that's it sounds kind of silly, but it's real that

455
00:21:00,240 --> 00:21:04,159
Speaker 2: injury he suffered against jail Sonnen is debilitating. That is

456
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,880
Speaker 2: to smash up your big toe like that where everything

457
00:21:07,960 --> 00:21:09,840
Speaker 2: is coming apart at the seams. Your big toe is

458
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:16,720
Speaker 2: huge for things like explosion, balance, coordination, you know, agility,

459
00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:19,080
Speaker 2: all those things, and it was badly damaged in that

460
00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:21,520
Speaker 2: whole thing. So to me, it's like, you know, that

461
00:21:21,680 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 2: is not the reason why he couldn't keep going, but

462
00:21:23,880 --> 00:21:26,399
Speaker 2: that among all the other injuries he's piled up, that,

463
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,040
Speaker 2: among all the other fatigue and everything else he's built

464
00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,399
Speaker 2: up two sounds right, two plus bonus night, whatever you

465
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,119
Speaker 2: want to call that, That actually sounds about one of

466
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:36,240
Speaker 2: the smartest things he's ever said.

467
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:37,680
Speaker 3: To be honest, at the under on that, I just

468
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:39,720
Speaker 3: feel like, you take three years to rebuild your body,

469
00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 3: and he does still in a larger sense, have some

470
00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:42,480
Speaker 3: certain things to prove.

471
00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:46,359
Speaker 2: And if he loses, if he loses BC, there's no

472
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:49,359
Speaker 2: question it's more than two. But if he wins, and

473
00:21:49,400 --> 00:21:51,360
Speaker 2: he wins them both relatively easily.

474
00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,439
Speaker 3: I'm of the opposite belief. But it will see how

475
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,520
Speaker 3: it plays out. Luke, talking to Sports Illustrated, though, he

476
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:59,560
Speaker 3: was asked about Francis's decision, and I think it's Here's

477
00:21:59,560 --> 00:22:01,680
Speaker 3: what's really interesting, Luke, is you know right now it's

478
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:03,879
Speaker 3: a fertile time for UFC headlines and a lot of

479
00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:08,600
Speaker 3: them being negative, and it's you. I want to see

480
00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,080
Speaker 3: if all these changes from the Dana White scandal, through

481
00:22:11,119 --> 00:22:14,320
Speaker 3: Power Slap, through the gambling situation, through all of that,

482
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,119
Speaker 3: if this is gonna lead to the beginning of a

483
00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:19,080
Speaker 3: new era of empowerment for the fighter. But how about

484
00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,919
Speaker 3: speaking out for the fighter. I was surprised that some

485
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,120
Speaker 3: of the negatives speaking out about the Power Slap League

486
00:22:24,119 --> 00:22:26,320
Speaker 3: in particular, which we'll probably touch on later, by some

487
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,960
Speaker 3: active fighters right now, that felt refreshing, Like Matt Arvola

488
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:31,800
Speaker 3: going ham on the Twitter. I haven't seen a lot

489
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:35,440
Speaker 3: of people speak though, when asked about the Francis situation

490
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 3: in any way that like that was an empowering moment.

491
00:22:39,080 --> 00:22:40,720
Speaker 3: Let me use it and take my power. Now. I

492
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,560
Speaker 3: get why. You certainly get why, But you get also

493
00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:46,280
Speaker 3: why everybody's asking each one about it. Now. Here's John

494
00:22:46,359 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 3: specific quote. I'm happy for Francis in the Sports Illustrated interview.

495
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 3: I'm glad he knows his worth. No man has a

496
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:54,160
Speaker 3: right to shame another man for fighting for his worth.

497
00:22:54,359 --> 00:22:56,800
Speaker 3: I was in a very similar similar situation as Francis

498
00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,640
Speaker 3: as at light heavyweight. I was never happy with my salary,

499
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:01,760
Speaker 3: had to sit out three years and I missed a

500
00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,159
Speaker 3: lot of time. But now we're here. I encourage Francis

501
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 3: on his journey. I wish him all the best. Another

502
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 3: company is going to be truly best blessed by him.

503
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,680
Speaker 3: But I do believe our paths will cross. Dana White

504
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 3: always gives the fans what they want to see, and

505
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:17,720
Speaker 3: a John Jones and Ghanu fight will always be a

506
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:20,199
Speaker 3: fight of interest, so I'm not counting it out. I

507
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 3: will keep an eye on Francis. Makes sense, this has fade,

508
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 3: really has fad Or versus Randy potential of being the

509
00:23:28,040 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 3: kind that got away, especially if both can continue winning

510
00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 3: big fights and doing big things here. But Luke, do

511
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,520
Speaker 3: you think we'll see anybody follow up on the Francis

512
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,679
Speaker 3: situation by speaking out more than just saying, hey man,

513
00:23:41,720 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 3: he's got to do what he's got to do and

514
00:23:42,840 --> 00:23:43,480
Speaker 3: I commend him.

515
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,040
Speaker 2: No, the fighters are there's two problems with the fighters.

516
00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:50,640
Speaker 2: They're either have Stockholm syndrome or they're deathly afraid. It's

517
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:52,480
Speaker 2: kind of funny, right, like the fighters. When people are oh,

518
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:55,840
Speaker 2: they're afraid of their opponents ninety nine percent of the time,

519
00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 2: that's not true. It's not true. I mean it can

520
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,040
Speaker 2: happen on occasion, but it's very, very rare. But they

521
00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 2: are terrified of the UFC. They're terrified of rocking the boat.

522
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:06,960
Speaker 2: They're terrified of being part of a movement where they're

523
00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,840
Speaker 2: seen as malcontents. Someone asked me in my lifvechat yesterday BC, like,

524
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,399
Speaker 2: should should Francis have made the negotiations public to then

525
00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 2: get the fighters on his side? And I'm like, bro,

526
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,080
Speaker 2: the fighters would have abandoned him on the side of

527
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,000
Speaker 2: the road if he had tried that, Like no, Like,

528
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,760
Speaker 2: that's a terrible idea. That wouldn't have worked at all.

529
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:24,920
Speaker 2: So no, I'm not surprised. I mean, the fighters are

530
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,800
Speaker 2: you know, they're incredible athletes, they are incredible technicians. They

531
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,919
Speaker 2: do the job of something that is just, you know,

532
00:24:31,000 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 2: remarkable to watch. But when it comes to acting collectively

533
00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 2: or frankly, even in individually to secure their futures, they're

534
00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 2: terrible at it. They signed with bullshit managers, they repeat

535
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:47,480
Speaker 2: bullshit talking points. They don't want to unionize. They they

536
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:49,919
Speaker 2: don't want to do anything. You know, I'll support them

537
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:52,439
Speaker 2: where they do deserve it, which is the overwhelming majority

538
00:24:52,480 --> 00:24:54,160
Speaker 2: of the time. But when it comes to pointing the finger,

539
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 2: like why their situation is not better, here's the reason

540
00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:00,640
Speaker 2: why they won't do shit about it. That's why. So no,

541
00:25:00,680 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 2: they that would, I don't. I'm not in any way

542
00:25:03,359 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 2: surprised that they didn't use this moment as a sort

543
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 2: of a springboard for anything else.

544
00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,840
Speaker 3: All right, Spinning it back on Jones. Look, it's been

545
00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:15,160
Speaker 3: such a negative stretch for Jones whenever we talk about

546
00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:19,000
Speaker 3: him rightfully, so that just see him like confidently laughing

547
00:25:19,000 --> 00:25:21,920
Speaker 3: and being encouraged by new coach Henry Shudo on Sohudo's

548
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 3: YouTube channel, like you do, remind yourself the good parts

549
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,800
Speaker 3: about John Jones, that the parts that we respect within

550
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 3: the very challenging side of that. How do you think

551
00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 3: the fans will receive him? Because part of John's teflon

552
00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,880
Speaker 3: reputation and ability to get in trouble but not let

553
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 3: it like you know, ruin his plan. I mean did

554
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 3: get stripped of the title three times and came back

555
00:25:41,280 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 3: each time. But fans, I think you know, from my

556
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,960
Speaker 3: vantage point, have always wanted him to be great wanted

557
00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,720
Speaker 3: him to be active, wanted him to be that guy

558
00:25:50,760 --> 00:25:53,480
Speaker 3: of their era, their Mayweather, and have a lot of times,

559
00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 3: you know, I mean they maye dce a villain during

560
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,960
Speaker 3: a lot of that that rivalry from a public perception standpoint,

561
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:02,600
Speaker 3: just by always having John's back, this will be a

562
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 3: true test three years removed. But do you think fans

563
00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 3: in general will just be more happy to have this

564
00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 3: guy back chasing history than try to sit here and

565
00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:11,640
Speaker 3: judge him or booho him or anything like that.

566
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,080
Speaker 2: The fans love to love John Jones and they love

567
00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:18,359
Speaker 2: to hate John Jones. You'll get both. Especially if something

568
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 2: happens between now and then where some kind of USADA issue,

569
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 2: some kind of outside the cage issue, some kind of

570
00:26:28,040 --> 00:26:32,200
Speaker 2: police issue, something like that, the fans will just pile

571
00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 2: on him as they always have. And by the way,

572
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,600
Speaker 2: that's not necessarily without good reason. I'm not suggesting that's unfair,

573
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:40,439
Speaker 2: although certainly, you know, he has been the subject of

574
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:43,840
Speaker 2: extraordinary ridicule at times. But they also love to love

575
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 2: John Jones. They love to watch him going there. They

576
00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:50,720
Speaker 2: love to watch the lion feast on you know, the prey.

577
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,800
Speaker 2: They love to watch the great white shark return to

578
00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 2: his native waters. I mean, whatever metaphor or analogy you

579
00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,439
Speaker 2: would like to use, they'll do both. So how do

580
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 2: I think he'll be I think largely if he is.

581
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: By the way, he's probably not going to be asked

582
00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 2: about firing guns drunk in his car in the middle

583
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 2: of the pandemic, so that's probably not going to come up.

584
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,399
Speaker 2: He's probably not going to be asked about the incident

585
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 2: in Las Vegas or at all likelihood he won't be,

586
00:27:13,600 --> 00:27:16,439
Speaker 2: And I think in large part he'll shelter himself from that.

587
00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 2: He won't talk to people who would anyway bring that up, right,

588
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,600
Speaker 2: So I would be very surprised if he talks to Ariel,

589
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,800
Speaker 2: for example, though it's possible, certainly possible. But in any case,

590
00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 2: if those things aren't part of the of the news cycle,

591
00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:32,000
Speaker 2: of the pre fight discussion, and it's really just a

592
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:35,399
Speaker 2: question of John's greatness, the individual matchup, what does it

593
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:38,679
Speaker 2: mean for theyaway division? They will love him very very dearly,

594
00:27:38,760 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 2: they always have, they always will, and then when they

595
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 2: want to hate him, they'll unload on that, but it

596
00:27:43,920 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 2: never really undoes the love, so to speak.

597
00:27:46,800 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a fair point tied to this. Luke especially

598
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,120
Speaker 3: if John Jones wins on March fourth, and a way

599
00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:57,800
Speaker 3: anything but controversial is Stepe Miocic wants next. Stepe is

600
00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,120
Speaker 3: arguably the greatest heavyweight in UFC history. He has been

601
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 3: inactive in recent years when to be fair, he's playing

602
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 3: the leverage in politics the best he can, meaning he

603
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 3: only wants the biggest fights. He feels at times that

604
00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:13,120
Speaker 3: they push him out and maybe this happened again right here,

605
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 3: but he'll We've pre'sproven in the past he'll wait it out.

606
00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 3: He waited out, you know, some certain key moments there

607
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 3: got himself into that trilogy with Daniel Cormier. He wants

608
00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 3: the winner here next. I love how you could sell

609
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:29,000
Speaker 3: that fight by the way of greatest heavyweight ever Stepe

610
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:31,479
Speaker 3: against greatest fighter ever John to try to you know,

611
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 3: I would have loved if that was the initial title about,

612
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,000
Speaker 3: though not against Gon Sliding in here, but Stepe caught

613
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:40,240
Speaker 3: up with Ariel in the MMA hour and gave his

614
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 3: thoughts and Luke from his vantage point, he was approached

615
00:28:43,040 --> 00:28:46,040
Speaker 3: and offered the fight for March fourth. He signed for it,

616
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,840
Speaker 3: but he didn't find out he wasn't the one chosen

617
00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:52,440
Speaker 3: by UFC until we all found out during last Saturday's

618
00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:54,959
Speaker 3: Fight Night broadcasts that they went in the other direction.

619
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 3: He was disappointed. The quote was, yeah, I definitely disappointed.

620
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 3: Jones is a great fight, a great matchup for me.

621
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 3: But at the end of the day, it's not my decision, unfortunately.

622
00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 3: But we'll see what happens. I think those two guys

623
00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 3: are going out going to go out and have a

624
00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 3: great fight. They're both gamers and I'd love to get

625
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 3: a crack at whoever wins it. Uh luke. I don't

626
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 3: think I'm over stating that. I think it's it's big business.

627
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 3: There's history on the line, and it'd be a great fight.

628
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 3: Cyril Gon or John Jones against deep Amochich.

629
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 2: Next, Yeah, I will say, you know, he lost to

630
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 2: Francis in March of twenty twenty one. It'll be March

631
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 2: of twenty twenty three before this fight with John Jones

632
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:37,240
Speaker 2: and Gone happens. I gotta tell you I would not

633
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 2: in any okay if they make the fight. To me,

634
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:43,120
Speaker 2: I'm okay with it for the reasons that you've kind

635
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 2: of articulated. But be see, let me spin it back

636
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 2: to you just for a second. You don't find it

637
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:48,960
Speaker 2: a little bit weird that the guy basically sat out

638
00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 2: for two years and is like I got next coming

639
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 2: off of a vicious KO loss.

640
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 3: Well that that was gonna be. Ultimately, my question after

641
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:59,960
Speaker 3: response is like he's historic, he's a legend. No one's question.

642
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 3: He's also a really nice guy. No one's questioning that.

643
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,360
Speaker 3: But how long does that just allow you to be

644
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:08,920
Speaker 3: that old name in the bullpen, always trying to be

645
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:13,000
Speaker 3: the cake topper when you've got a hungry and active

646
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 3: division at the moment, and you've got Curtis Blades in particular,

647
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 3: who's done a lot of things. But I mean, I

648
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:23,800
Speaker 3: don't imagine, oh for sure, but outside of somebody else

649
00:30:23,840 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 3: getting hot for a moment and then that just becomes

650
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 3: the right fight. I don't see them saying to steep A, Okay,

651
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,560
Speaker 3: if you want this, we're only going to want it

652
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,560
Speaker 3: if you go out and beat Curtis Blades first.

653
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,720
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, the thing is, it's like, Okay, if

654
00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 2: you did standard business practice, steep A would have to

655
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 2: fight somebody else first, right, Pavlovich Blades whoever it ends

656
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:47,000
Speaker 2: up being, and maybe he wins at maybe he doesn't

657
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,880
Speaker 2: like a reminder. Steepe is forty Now you might be like, well,

658
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,000
Speaker 2: it's heavyweight, okay, but even at heavyweight forty is starting

659
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 2: to get up there a little bit. That's that's relatively

660
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 2: old even for heavyweight, or at least it can be

661
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 2: in many circumstances, although as we understand, not necessarily always.

662
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:03,800
Speaker 2: But I just want to point out, like he would

663
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 2: have to fight a Pavlovitch, you would have to fight

664
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 2: a Blades. What is going to be the fans sentiment

665
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 2: if you told them he has to fight one of

666
00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,680
Speaker 2: those guys before he could fight John. And by the way,

667
00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 2: you know John's got a very limited window potentially two

668
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 2: fights right potentially, Then why would you get in the

669
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 2: way of it? I understand it. So I think in

670
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: the end, the right call probably is Steepe next. For

671
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: the thing that the reasons we're examining, however, this might

672
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 2: be one of the very few times where we ever

673
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 2: endorse someone sitting out for two years, very quietly, by

674
00:31:33,960 --> 00:31:36,080
Speaker 2: the way, for two years, and then just getting a

675
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:39,640
Speaker 2: title shot right away that you won't see this situation

676
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 2: happen very often.

677
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting stuff, But if the promotion gets an opportunity

678
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 3: to make Joan Stepe, they're gonna make it. I believe that.

679
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 2: I think it really just comes down to that, right,

680
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 2: Like you get a chance to make it, make it,

681
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 2: just fucking do it right. I mean that ends up

682
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 2: being what it is. But it's unusual. It's unusual, and.

683
00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 3: That can be hit or missed, or it can break

684
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 3: your code or not. For some people, When Bisbee Hen

685
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 3: two got announced for the title, it was like, yeah, man, cool,

686
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 3: I've always wanted this, you know, did that speak to

687
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,160
Speaker 3: the rankings at the time. This is not comparable of

688
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 3: that situation though, in my opinion, and there's too much

689
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,000
Speaker 3: history at state. Sliding into our second topic, Luke, we

690
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:16,880
Speaker 3: are staying in the MMA's heavyweight division, only we're not

691
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 3: talking about a UFC fighter. It's the fallout to everything

692
00:32:19,080 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 3: that happened with Francis and Ghanu. And you know, everybody's

693
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 3: allowed their opinion, and I've seen a lot of negative

694
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 3: opinions still against Francis. A lot of them smell Luke.

695
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 3: But but you know, you want to give the you

696
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 3: want to be able to take in the full thing.

697
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 3: There just a reminder and maybe something you and I

698
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 3: didn't fully say as eloquently, like he was actually a

699
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 3: free agent allowed to go public and seek offers in

700
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 3: early December. We found out from that aerial interview like

701
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 3: it like we said that on the show, we didn't

702
00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 3: explore it though, so so good for you Luke for

703
00:32:49,560 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 3: saying that. I may have missed that in the moment,

704
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 3: but the whole idea of like, if it was about money,

705
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 3: dude could have been parading around trying to get offers

706
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 3: at that moment, but no, he still wanted to talk

707
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,360
Speaker 3: to the UFC. That you whether people can argue it

708
00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 3: was good faith or not. And the fact look that

709
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 3: they wouldn't even negotiate with him about any of his demands.

710
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 3: It's like, I get it, and dude, I've been touched

711
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:14,040
Speaker 3: at how big this moment has has felt and meant

712
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 3: to certain fans, celebrity fans sometimes that we talk to

713
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 3: who you know, are emotional over this decision. So there's

714
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:23,280
Speaker 3: a lot of moving parts to it. But one of

715
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,040
Speaker 3: those parts is that Francis thinks he's going to be

716
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 3: boxing this summer, and look, he seems to be only

717
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 3: talking about the direction of doing it legitimately and doing

718
00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:36,600
Speaker 3: it on the title level and trying to go for all.

719
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 3: I mean, what are your expectations here?

720
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 2: In terms of him actually being able to get a

721
00:33:43,040 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 2: boxing match.

722
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, because you know you're gonna get a lot of

723
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,680
Speaker 3: people saying this. He's an attraction in a in an

724
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 3: odd way, in the in the true sense in the

725
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 3: boxing game. But do you think promoters are going to

726
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 3: be willing to jump at him and do this?

727
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 2: Yes, I think theyre going to try. I think they're

728
00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,520
Speaker 2: going to try. So let's back up a step. So, currently,

729
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 2: as it stands, Anthony Joshua does not have a fight book,

730
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 2: true or false.

731
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 3: True, But people are expecting, based on his own words,

732
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:15,799
Speaker 3: to try to fight three times this year and to like,

733
00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 3: you know, go after tough competition and doing.

734
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, I'm just sort of putting it out there.

735
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 2: So Fury and Usk if that happens, when is that

736
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:23,320
Speaker 2: expected to happen?

737
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 3: I would guess in the in the April area. I

738
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:27,960
Speaker 3: don't want to say March because I feel like if

739
00:34:27,960 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 3: it was March, you'd have to be announcing it now

740
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 3: and doing a very aggressive campaign.

741
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,960
Speaker 2: Okay, and then Wilder and Fury excuse me, Wilder and Ruiz,

742
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 2: we just haven't heard yet, but I'm expecting what maybe

743
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 2: second third quarter or something like that.

744
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:41,680
Speaker 3: Maybe even earlier, Luke, maybe even earlier. I haven't heard

745
00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 3: anything to give me confidence in that, but it's it's

746
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,440
Speaker 3: easy to make. Everybody wants it. I feel like you

747
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 3: could see that, you know, early Midda.

748
00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 2: So it does line up a couple of different ways

749
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 2: where if you wanted to fight July or August, June

750
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,799
Speaker 2: seems a little aggressive, but July or August that does

751
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,440
Speaker 2: seem possible. But again we've sort of spoken of about it.

752
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 2: You know, if Fury loses to Usick, I would imagine

753
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:07,319
Speaker 2: he's gonna want to rematch. I don't I think he

754
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 2: will beat Usick, but you know, one never knows, so

755
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 2: that could complicate things aj did to your point, you know,

756
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 2: it is kind of like changing everything up and really

757
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:17,319
Speaker 2: just wants tough fights, or it seems to want tough

758
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 2: fights anyway, which is commendable, but that would not necessarily

759
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 2: put him into Francis and Gone of sweepstakes. By the way,

760
00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 2: he already makes shit tons of money, so it's not

761
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 2: like he needs one of those big fights to get

762
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 2: a big check. And then with Wilder and Ruiz, now

763
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 2: that's the fun one, because I do think those would

764
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:37,040
Speaker 2: be relatively easy to make okay, not with the ruiz,

765
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:41,280
Speaker 2: but assuming Wilder wins, which he probably should, I think

766
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 2: Andy's a better boxer. But you know, Wilder has just

767
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 2: nuclear power in his right hand, and that seems to

768
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 2: be their enough of a difference maker. So I think

769
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,879
Speaker 2: that you could there's a couple of ways that could go.

770
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:54,719
Speaker 2: But you know, listen, man, you know what's funny. You

771
00:35:54,760 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 2: know what documentary we were talking about. I think that

772
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 2: you and I were talking about the other day when

773
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 2: Bush had to follow Corn at the ninety nine Woodstock event.

774
00:36:04,520 --> 00:36:07,359
Speaker 2: Do you remember this? And we were both like amazed that,

775
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 2: you know, Bush was able to like go out and

776
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 2: do that because if you know, if you see the documentary,

777
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:14,839
Speaker 2: like Corn completely destroyed the place. I mean they had

778
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,280
Speaker 2: the crowd and the palm of their hand and then Bush,

779
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:20,839
Speaker 2: you know, with glycerine. It's supposed to come on after that,

780
00:36:20,880 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 2: and they're like, what the fuck are we gonna do?

781
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,839
Speaker 2: You know, they haven't had Gavin Rosstoll being like, how

782
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 2: the hell am I supposed to follow that? But they did,

783
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,000
Speaker 2: they did, and they made it work. But his analogy was,

784
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 2: it's like you've ever been on a cruise ship or

785
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:36,520
Speaker 2: on the boat at sea. You know, the ocean is dark,

786
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:38,920
Speaker 2: and it is vast, and it is almost to an

787
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,720
Speaker 2: extent quiet as well. He goes it was like jumping

788
00:36:41,760 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 2: off of a boat into the black abyss of the

789
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,000
Speaker 2: ocean in the middle of nowhere and just hoping that

790
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 2: eventually you find a life raft. That's what Francis has done.

791
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 2: He has jumped off the ship into the middle of

792
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 2: the ocean and it's dark and there's nothing around, and

793
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 2: he's he is just hoping that things kind of lie

794
00:37:00,120 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 2: up for him. Now he can make his own luck.

795
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,439
Speaker 2: In certain ways. I suspect if Fury and Usik fight,

796
00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:06,839
Speaker 2: you are going to see Francis front row at that thing.

797
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 2: If Wilder and Ruiz fight, you might see something kind

798
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:11,359
Speaker 2: of similar, like he's going to make a lobbying case

799
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,120
Speaker 2: for himself. But it is very speculative. Be see, you're

800
00:37:15,160 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 2: asking what the chances are at this stage, It's impossible

801
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,319
Speaker 2: to know. I'd say probably fifty to fifty is our

802
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,879
Speaker 2: best guess. But he has wandered into the abyss, and

803
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:25,879
Speaker 2: only only God knows what will happen next.

804
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,920
Speaker 3: I think his best case timing wise and trying to

805
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 3: align himself with one of those big names is, if

806
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:34,920
Speaker 3: the Fury Usik fight can happen as soon as possible,

807
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:38,080
Speaker 3: and if Fury can win without any need for a rematch,

808
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 3: you know what else are you going to ask for

809
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:41,680
Speaker 3: Fury at that point? Yeah, if you want to do

810
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,440
Speaker 3: something you know, fun and crazy and crossover, go do it.

811
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 3: No one's going to be pushing you, you know, aggressively

812
00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 3: in any direction. Plus Anthony Joshua, which I would believe

813
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 3: is Fury's next big, true super fight separate from many

814
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,680
Speaker 3: Frances experiment, we need time for Anthony to get better.

815
00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 3: But in talking to Ariel Francis did say he would

816
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 3: prefer Fury and in Joshua first on the same level

817
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 3: in terms of who we would if he had to choose.

818
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 3: Wilder is sort of in that next level below in

819
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 3: terms of someone he's interested in. But Luke, I have

820
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 3: a couple of questions related to this because on the

821
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:16,120
Speaker 3: flip side here on a Devil's advocate, he doesn't have

822
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 3: any boxing experience outside of you know, training in France

823
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 3: to initially try to become a pro boxer. So even

824
00:38:23,360 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 3: when Floyd Mayweather fought Connor McGregor, which had an exhibition

825
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 3: feel but was a real one hundred and fifty four

826
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 3: pound fight that counted on Floyd's unbeaten record, which I

827
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 3: think by making it a real fight, it made it

828
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 3: even more exciting from the idea of like could Connor

829
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 3: be the one that lands the first, you know, hands

830
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,000
Speaker 3: him the first l But there was a lot of

831
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 3: debate about, you know, is it safe commission wise, which

832
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 3: doesn't always tend to be a problem to get through

833
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 3: at the end of the day for promoters whenever there

834
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,840
Speaker 3: is a promotion of an issue with the commission, but

835
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:54,440
Speaker 3: commission wise, was that even safe and smart for somebody

836
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 3: with no experience? When we're talking about heavyweight and the

837
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 3: heavyweight title, there is of that one reference of Pete

838
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:05,919
Speaker 3: Rodemacher back in the He was a nineteen fifty six

839
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:09,160
Speaker 3: Olympic gold medalist and he fought for the world heavyweight

840
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 3: title in nineteen fifty seven in his pro debut against

841
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:16,759
Speaker 3: Floyd Patterson and lost. But you can certainly see the

842
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,799
Speaker 3: allure and the gimmick there. Rodamacher was almost doing like

843
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 3: a Lomachenko, but even even more there to be great

844
00:39:22,400 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 3: and it didn't work out, but it was a spectacle

845
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 3: and the dude was an Olympic gold medalist at heavyweight

846
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 3: makes sense while Fury and talk about a fight within

847
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 3: Gon who sometimes centers around mixed rules and m mey gloves,

848
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,399
Speaker 3: and Ghano said he would rather do it the real

849
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 3: way for the title pure boxing. Do you think boxing

850
00:39:41,320 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 3: would have an issue of taking an MMA fighter was

851
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 3: zero experience and not just putting him in a fight

852
00:39:45,640 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 3: against you know, arguably the best in the sport and

853
00:39:47,880 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 3: certainly in that division and Fury, but look for the

854
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 3: full championship, for the undisputed championship. If that's the way

855
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 3: the timeline falls out, Is that fair to this game?

856
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 2: Is that legal dog? You and I both know what's

857
00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 2: going to happen here. One of two things. Number One,

858
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 2: they'll put it in Nevada, and Nevada will do what

859
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:08,480
Speaker 2: they did for Meywether McGregor whether they're like, well, look

860
00:40:08,520 --> 00:40:11,120
Speaker 2: at his status as an MMA fighter, and you know, listen,

861
00:40:11,320 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 2: if any heavyweight has status, it's Francis. He's the number

862
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 2: one fucking guy, right and in terms of everyone he's

863
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:23,439
Speaker 2: faced except Derek Lewis, he's beaten them in the UFC, right,

864
00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 2: So just wort have keep that in mind. And of course,

865
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:26,880
Speaker 2: if you fought Derek Lewis at this point, I would

866
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 2: like Francis's chances to win. I think you probably would

867
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 2: as well. So just keep that in mind. He's the

868
00:40:31,880 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 2: number one guy. They're gonna say he's the number one

869
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 2: heavyweight in MMA. You know, they may maybe whether they'll

870
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 2: do twelve rounds or not, I don't know, but you know,

871
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 2: so probably, But you know, they'll either get a commission

872
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:43,279
Speaker 2: to sign on to it or something like that. That's

873
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:45,400
Speaker 2: the first thing that's gonna happen. If that doesn't happen

874
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 2: a La Margarito not being able to get sanctioned in

875
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 2: New York, they'll just commission shop. They'll just move it

876
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 2: to a place that will regulated this is not a

877
00:40:57,200 --> 00:41:00,799
Speaker 2: stumbling block. They'll either go to a what do you

878
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:06,239
Speaker 2: call it, a a place of renown, a place of prestige,

879
00:41:06,560 --> 00:41:08,279
Speaker 2: and either beg them to do it and find some

880
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,200
Speaker 2: kind of way to get it done, or if they rejected,

881
00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:13,720
Speaker 2: they'll just go to Texas or Florida or Saudi Arabia

882
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 2: or whatever. That that's not going to hold this up.

883
00:41:16,320 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 2: All the things that could hold this fight up, that's

884
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 2: not one of them.

885
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I don't think it ultimately will and

886
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:24,040
Speaker 3: I wouldn't fear for him, you know, in a health sense,

887
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:26,359
Speaker 3: outside of the regular fears that you have in a fight,

888
00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 3: like you know, in a combat sports event. But it

889
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 3: is interesting just to play that devil's advocate and make sure,

890
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 3: you know, would this be accepted by the sport. I

891
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 3: think ultimately it would be and it would be interesting

892
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 3: based on how you could potentially sell it there. But

893
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 3: my final question on this in the in Ganu boxing direction, Luke,

894
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 3: is if he can't get any of those big names

895
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 3: we talked about, do you think it's smart to take

896
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 3: any boxing fight? And I know, like you mentioned Derek

897
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,719
Speaker 3: Tasour's name in the past as the idea of like

898
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,120
Speaker 3: a guy who's absolutely legit but is older. Is that

899
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 3: sort of the perfect thing? I mean, it is a

900
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,719
Speaker 3: gamble for in Ghana, whereas I don't thinking Gon who's

901
00:42:00,960 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 3: just doing this for the money or the freak show element,

902
00:42:03,239 --> 00:42:05,319
Speaker 3: or or the leverage that he has in trying to

903
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 3: create this, Like I really think it's scratching an itch.

904
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,680
Speaker 3: It's part of his life of always having big goals.

905
00:42:10,680 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 3: I mean, there was a very inspirational part of his

906
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 3: speech to Ariel about you know, every time he climbs

907
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 3: him out, and it's the it's the bottom of the

908
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 3: next mounta and and and like That's why, in a

909
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 3: very romanticized sense, you almost want to cheer for him

910
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 3: to try to do something absolutely insane, like with no experience,

911
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 3: just crossing over and fighting the heavyweight boxing champion of

912
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 3: the world. But do you think it's a risk to

913
00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 3: fight anybody else but the but the most elite, biggest

914
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 3: fight he can make opponent. I mean, how how much

915
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:42,279
Speaker 3: do you actually believe his intention is to do this

916
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 3: on a on a long term, on any form of

917
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 3: a long term level beyond one.

918
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 2: Fight zero, maybe maybe two. Like okay, so let's say

919
00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:53,960
Speaker 2: he fights Tyson Fury or Wilder Rite something like that,

920
00:42:54,120 --> 00:42:57,759
Speaker 2: and you know, lady luck is on his side. He

921
00:42:57,840 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 2: lands one of his big punches and he knocks him,

922
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 2: and this is all very surprising. He would do it

923
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 2: again for one of those. He might even do it

924
00:43:03,520 --> 00:43:05,839
Speaker 2: a third time. Like let's say he fought Wilder once

925
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 2: and then one fought Wilder twice and then loses whatever

926
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,120
Speaker 2: that may be. First of all, they could do a

927
00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 2: trilogy at that point. But at that point, whatever he

928
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 2: is building off of a bit of a capital he

929
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 2: has built, right, positive capital, Okay, He's going to spend

930
00:43:20,600 --> 00:43:23,320
Speaker 2: that positive capital trying to get the biggest name possible,

931
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,719
Speaker 2: and if that leads to other subsequent bouts where he

932
00:43:26,760 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 2: could also either gain more capital to spend right like

933
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:31,719
Speaker 2: he did well enough against Wilder that Fury wants some

934
00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:34,480
Speaker 2: or vice versa. Yes, you might see it, but why

935
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 2: would you spend that capital on Chizorra or Dillion White

936
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 2: or Povetkin or you know, and any in any name

937
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 2: that's kind of out there in the heavyweight division that

938
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,440
Speaker 2: A won't sell a ton B is frankly dangerous, you know,

939
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 2: to lesser the varying degrees, and that if that goes

940
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 2: in any way wrong, it blows up the possibility of

941
00:43:53,600 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 2: getting one of Like the worst thing you can do

942
00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,440
Speaker 2: in combat sports is make fights that don't necessarily need

943
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: to happen that interfere with the ones that do. That's

944
00:44:01,040 --> 00:44:04,760
Speaker 2: what he would be doing. It makes zero sense at all, unless,

945
00:44:05,040 --> 00:44:07,200
Speaker 2: you know, unless he got one hundred million for one

946
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:10,640
Speaker 2: of those by some suitor or something, which is extremely unlikely.

947
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:14,879
Speaker 2: As well. The goal is Wilder, Fury, Joshua, period, any

948
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 2: of those names great anything other than that you're in trouble.

949
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 3: That's a smart take, and because he does have the

950
00:44:21,880 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 3: potential of being able to fight not just somebody in

951
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,120
Speaker 3: those names, but Fury, especially if Fury then becomes undispeeded champion.

952
00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 3: Leading up to it, you don't risk that. You know

953
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 3: at that point, whether you're doing it more about money, royalty,

954
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 3: you know, achievement, competition, any of that, you go right

955
00:44:37,200 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 3: to that So crazy that we're even talking about it, though, Luke,

956
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,279
Speaker 3: it's going to just be another wrinkle to this new

957
00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:46,720
Speaker 3: combat sports year, which I think on a boxing side,

958
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 3: we're really anticipating the potential some big fights landing and

959
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 3: some already getting announced. But you know, I think UFC

960
00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:54,799
Speaker 3: side it was good. I though it was a good

961
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 3: year last year. We're some people who thought it was

962
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:59,520
Speaker 3: a step back, but I feel like we're gonna the

963
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,120
Speaker 3: best thing to do to get out of the way

964
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 3: of all these headlines Lucas to make great fights and

965
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:07,720
Speaker 3: do it. So having the Francis boxing experiment just injected

966
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 3: into our already busy schedule is somewhat interesting. I know,

967
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:12,680
Speaker 3: if I try to make a Jake Paul question, you're

968
00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 3: gonna just tell me you don't have any care whatever.

969
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:17,440
Speaker 3: But who do you think it would actually win? If

970
00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:19,439
Speaker 3: Francis and got a Jake Paul boxing match? Right now,

971
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:22,320
Speaker 3: it's not being talked about. You don't want it, it's ridiculous.

972
00:45:22,600 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 3: But who actually wins that eight miles?

973
00:45:25,000 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 2: I would I would probably say Francis because at that

974
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 2: point weight classes matter, and you know who's the more

975
00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 2: skilled boxer, probably Jake Paul, like you know, pound for

976
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:37,840
Speaker 2: pound talent or something. But dude, the power of Francis

977
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 2: is overwhelming and he would be able to take any

978
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:44,799
Speaker 2: shot Jake would deliver. You can't say the reverse at all.

979
00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 3: Is there any part in Jake? Final question? Then we

980
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:50,920
Speaker 3: move on to the good stuff. But you know, Jake's crazy.

981
00:45:50,960 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 3: You know, Logan took the Floyd fight thinking there's a

982
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 3: great chance you can get knocked out. But he wanted

983
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 3: to have this moment on his life resume of like,

984
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:58,719
Speaker 3: holy shit, look at I did this. You know I

985
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 3: jumped off. Why am I falls into the water? I

986
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 3: mean I did that on camera. You know, do you

987
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 3: think that there's big enough daredevil in in Jake Paul

988
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 3: to even consider this idea?

989
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 2: No? No, I don't think that. I think it's wrong.

990
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 2: That Jake wants easy fights. I mean, we'll see what

991
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,160
Speaker 2: Tommy Feury's got for him. Probably not much, but we'll see.

992
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 2: And then, you know, nay Diaz is not in his

993
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 2: twenties anymore. He's pretty close to forty at this point,

994
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,240
Speaker 2: so you know, it's not like he's fighting the toughest

995
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 2: guys he could be fighting pretty far from it. He

996
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,600
Speaker 2: is selectively picking them for you know, all the different

997
00:46:34,600 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 2: ways in which he can. But I thought Anderson was

998
00:46:36,600 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 2: a step up from Tyron and so forth. But that

999
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:43,680
Speaker 2: is a bridge too far. That is a bridge too far.

1000
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 2: And also you're like, well, Logan fought Floyd due Floyd

1001
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 2: is half Logan's size, you know what I mean? Like

1002
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 2: part of the reason that was sanctioned was one, it

1003
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:52,239
Speaker 2: was an exhibition, and two is like the guy who

1004
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 2: was much bigger was far worse as a boxer. That

1005
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 2: was sort of the reason there. And even then you

1006
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 2: saw Floyd ste on him constantly and couldn't put him away.

1007
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: You know, that was really sort of somewhat surprising. If

1008
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 2: I can be honest with you, I don't think Jake

1009
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:08,840
Speaker 2: wants to do that. It's not strategic, it's not smart.

1010
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:12,759
Speaker 2: He could get fucking hurt. Don't do that, right, No,

1011
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 2: you disagree?

1012
00:47:14,080 --> 00:47:16,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think it's worth it in the grand gamble,

1013
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:17,680
Speaker 3: you know, you know.

1014
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:20,280
Speaker 2: Because I know you have brought up Jake Paul Mike Tyson.

1015
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,120
Speaker 2: I do think that might be a little bit different.

1016
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 3: I mean, look, there is a morbid element of Jake

1017
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,880
Speaker 3: Paul versus Mike Tyson. But the guy's also in his fifties,

1018
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 3: so that does.

1019
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,359
Speaker 2: Yes, he's in his fifties, he's not the top dominant force.

1020
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:32,799
Speaker 2: He would still box. I think Jake's ears off. Even then,

1021
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:36,160
Speaker 2: I still wouldn't like Jake's chances. But that is such

1022
00:47:36,200 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 2: a once in a lifetime dream matchup if you're Jake,

1023
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 2: if you're not not saying for the customer per se,

1024
00:47:42,160 --> 00:47:44,279
Speaker 2: but certainly for Jake. And again I do think there

1025
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:46,520
Speaker 2: would be a customer base for it. I can kind

1026
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 2: of squint and understand that. But Francis just seems like

1027
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 2: you get all of the danger, some of the financial reward,

1028
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:54,399
Speaker 2: but not on part with what you would get with Mike.

1029
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 2: And Yeah, no, Luke.

1030
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,440
Speaker 3: Topic number three takes us to recent fight announcements. We

1031
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 3: want to be able to react to these properly. We

1032
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 3: had already mentioned on Wednesday show that Amanda Nunis Irene aeron.

1033
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,160
Speaker 2: Ana al Donna.

1034
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:12,960
Speaker 3: Not official but reported by Rafael Marinho for UFC two

1035
00:48:13,120 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 3: eighty five. Holy crap. Is that card coming together potentially

1036
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:20,920
Speaker 3: with a bang. Also on that card Valentina Chipchenko defending

1037
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 3: the Flyway title against Alexa Grosso, which we mentioned. Bon

1038
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 3: Nickel getting his long awaited UFC debut under order, not

1039
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,520
Speaker 3: that long awaited, continue to considering he just won twice

1040
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,879
Speaker 3: on the Contender series, but it had gotten pushed back

1041
00:48:34,880 --> 00:48:37,880
Speaker 3: against Jamie Pickett. So Luke, UFC two eighty five is

1042
00:48:37,920 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 3: really starting to come together here.

1043
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:42,880
Speaker 2: It certainly is. First of all, we didn't really talk

1044
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:44,520
Speaker 2: about it in our predictions. We should have had a

1045
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:46,479
Speaker 2: more of a discussion about like what kind of year

1046
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three is going to be for bon Nickel,

1047
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 2: who just looks to be, you know, once in a

1048
00:48:53,760 --> 00:48:56,439
Speaker 2: generation kind of prospect. I just want to point that out,

1049
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 2: as you mentioned before, Amanda Nunas versus e ren Al

1050
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:03,320
Speaker 2: Amanda Nuonez, you know, certainly accomplished much more than al Donna.

1051
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 2: But Aldana's good boxer. She's on a decent win streak.

1052
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 2: Like I like that match. After it, I think, yeah.

1053
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 3: Exactly, she's going to be willing to get stopped to

1054
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,200
Speaker 3: try to win. And I think she brings a new,

1055
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:18,879
Speaker 3: a new wrinkle to a challenge of Amanda. And even

1056
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 3: though Amanda, I mean Spectator bounce back spectacularly against Juliana,

1057
00:49:24,680 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 3: she is getting into her thirties here, and you know,

1058
00:49:27,560 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 3: the division's largely empty, but somebody's gonna come up and

1059
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 3: be here Tyler Santos soon Luke, which made Valentina suddenly

1060
00:49:35,160 --> 00:49:38,439
Speaker 3: potentially look human in the right matchup Alexa Grosso though

1061
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:40,879
Speaker 3: look well, I mean that's not a bad fight. That's

1062
00:49:40,880 --> 00:49:42,760
Speaker 3: going to be an interesting test boxing wise.

1063
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 2: But and and by the way, al Donna and Grosso

1064
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 2: from the same camp in Mexico. You have two women

1065
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 2: from Mexico, like Mexican nationals, fighting for UFC weight class

1066
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 2: titles in separate well actually in the same month, but

1067
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 2: in separate events that or roughly the same time. Yes,

1068
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 2: yet no, sorry, my the same card. What am I saying?

1069
00:50:01,000 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 2: Exactly the same card? I apologize, Yes, two eighty five,

1070
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 2: so you're gonna be getting them on the same night.

1071
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:09,840
Speaker 2: That is a huge moment for Mexican MMA. That's a

1072
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 2: huge woman for women's MMA in just in terms of

1073
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 2: like the growth and where you can now harvest contenders

1074
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 2: from in terms of the global population of fighters, like,

1075
00:50:18,120 --> 00:50:22,080
Speaker 2: this is all really good news. Even if the powerhouses

1076
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:25,160
Speaker 2: in Nunez and Schevchenkill retain their titles, this is still

1077
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:27,319
Speaker 2: a great a great sign, is what I would say.

1078
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 3: Well, there is still a big if if all these

1079
00:50:29,280 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 3: fights go down because the Newness fight not officially announced

1080
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 3: by the UFC. They did send out a press release

1081
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,080
Speaker 3: just the other day, probably to you know, rile up

1082
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 3: ticket interest promoting John Jones and Cyril Gone in the

1083
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,600
Speaker 3: main event of course for the vacant heavyweight Championship. But

1084
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:44,560
Speaker 3: if it ends up being John Jones's return for the

1085
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 3: heavyweight championship, Amanda Nunis back and Valentina Shipchenko back, not

1086
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 3: only was that a loaded top of a pay per

1087
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:53,200
Speaker 3: view card which is already pretty good top to bottom,

1088
00:50:53,600 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 3: but then, Luke, you almost are just setting up Amanda

1089
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 3: and Valentino then fighting in the you know, the next

1090
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,680
Speaker 3: pay per view cycle their for their trilogy of both wins.

1091
00:51:01,680 --> 00:51:05,719
Speaker 3: So there's some connective storytelling potential here. Tissue that I

1092
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,360
Speaker 3: like and the fights that I were mentioning else on

1093
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:10,720
Speaker 3: this card that have been announced, not just Bownekel against

1094
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:14,160
Speaker 3: Jamie Pickett, Jeff Neil against Schoff, Catt Rock Monoff, Derek

1095
00:51:14,200 --> 00:51:19,439
Speaker 3: Brunson versus Drinkis Duplessi, Cody Garbrant, Julio Arse at back

1096
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,479
Speaker 3: of bandonweight. There a few others that you know, Jessica Penney,

1097
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:24,719
Speaker 3: Tabitha Ricci, Luke, you know, I mean, there's there's some

1098
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 3: good ones there.

1099
00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 2: Also, the brother of Javid Basharat, Fried Basharatt, is on

1100
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 2: that card as well. He's also very good. The Basharott

1101
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 2: brothers are very talented.

1102
00:51:32,440 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 3: The bash Bros as I think they're called, right.

1103
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:36,560
Speaker 2: The bash bro That's a good one. I haven't that

1104
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 2: we haven't heard that one in a long time, but yeah,

1105
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 2: that's a good one.

1106
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,919
Speaker 3: Look, how about this for a March eleventh UFC Fight

1107
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 3: Night main event that I believe is all official and announced.

1108
00:51:45,960 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 3: In the bantamweight division, Wow, dude, peyotor Yan, the former

1109
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:55,120
Speaker 3: champion Luke, he only matches himself as difficult as friggin possible.

1110
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:55,759
Speaker 2: Uh.

1111
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 3: He may have come up empty in the recent attempts

1112
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 3: to get back that championship that he once held, but

1113
00:52:01,640 --> 00:52:05,479
Speaker 3: Morob devolish Willy who has needed an elite opponent here

1114
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 3: to get himself into the title position. They're going to

1115
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 3: face off, and I love this fight.

1116
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 2: I love this fight for its geopolitical implications. There's like

1117
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 2: a Georgian mma journalist I follow who told me this

1118
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,359
Speaker 2: is probably the biggest fight in Georgian mma history if

1119
00:52:21,360 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 2: you think about it, which wouldn't have occurred to me naturally,

1120
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 2: but that's something that he had said.

1121
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 3: I mean Georgian mma historian.

1122
00:52:28,080 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 2: Luke Okay, but you're talking about a guy in Dewalish

1123
00:52:31,680 --> 00:52:34,160
Speaker 2: Wheely who has climbed the ranks. He did beat Jose

1124
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 2: Aldo or whatever happened was it. I think he did win,

1125
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 2: but it was like the worst, you know, it's a

1126
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 2: terrible fighters at an altitude, it was a whole thing.

1127
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 2: But he has steadily climbed the ranks. He's with an

1128
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 2: elite team, and he is taking on a guy who

1129
00:52:44,719 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 2: was the former champion who happens to be from Russia.

1130
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,319
Speaker 2: There are we want, we sometimes want to remove the

1131
00:52:49,480 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 2: sport from the world in which it exists, but there

1132
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:54,319
Speaker 2: is obviously some geopolitical considerations there that I think are

1133
00:52:54,360 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 2: going to make the fight big for those audiences Russian

1134
00:52:57,360 --> 00:52:59,600
Speaker 2: and then worldwide two obviously because it's a relevant fight

1135
00:52:59,640 --> 00:53:02,880
Speaker 2: for the Bend and with division, but it's a huge contest.

1136
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 2: You know, Jan has had to deal with Sterling, Yon

1137
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 2: has had to deal with O'Malley, very different kinds of guys.

1138
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,800
Speaker 2: Dwaalash Wheely is not really the O'Malley type. He's a

1139
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:12,919
Speaker 2: little bit more Sterling. They do train together, but even

1140
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 2: then he's not the same positional control guy that like Sterling,

1141
00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 2: to me is the grappling equivalent of a of a

1142
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:25,560
Speaker 2: boxing slickster. You know what I mean, BC right, He's

1143
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:30,360
Speaker 2: just real smooth, real clever, real fundamental, especially with his

1144
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,240
Speaker 2: back takes and back control. That's not de wallash Wheeley.

1145
00:53:33,320 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 2: But what does he have that like no one I've

1146
00:53:35,120 --> 00:53:38,000
Speaker 2: ever even seen maybe has. He has a motor that

1147
00:53:38,200 --> 00:53:42,040
Speaker 2: is out of control his cardiovascular conditioning and this is

1148
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 2: true of a lot of fighters, but not even as

1149
00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,799
Speaker 2: true as he makes it is an absolute weapon. He

1150
00:53:47,880 --> 00:53:50,400
Speaker 2: can go as long and as hard as he needs to.

1151
00:53:50,480 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 2: That's pause on that one, by the way, but he

1152
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 2: can certainly push the pace on his opponents as far

1153
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 2: as he needs to. He can he doesn't have to

1154
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 2: apportion his offense. He doesn't have to worry about what

1155
00:54:02,000 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 2: are my resource is going to be the third or

1156
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 2: fourth minute into a three or even a five round fight,

1157
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,879
Speaker 2: doesn't matter at all, doesn't care. He can just go.

1158
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,040
Speaker 2: He lacks a little bit the polish that a guy

1159
00:54:13,080 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 2: like Yan has. Yon is significantly more well rounded and

1160
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 2: has significantly more developed skill sets, but against that motor

1161
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 2: BC it almost cancels out everything. And for Yon to

1162
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,760
Speaker 2: be as frustrated as he's been and yet to accept

1163
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:31,440
Speaker 2: a fight like this is interesting, man, really interesting. De

1164
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 2: Walashwheely is a guy you could lose rounds against by

1165
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 2: just being unable to get your game going right. I mean,

1166
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 2: look at the Aldo fight is a great example of that, right,

1167
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:42,520
Speaker 2: just by virtue of how much he does and how

1168
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:44,560
Speaker 2: quickly he does it, and how aggressively he can do

1169
00:54:44,600 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 2: it without concern for the cardiovascular implications. It just runs though.

1170
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:51,520
Speaker 2: It's like the wave that just runs over the shore

1171
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:53,560
Speaker 2: of the beach. It doesn't matter what kind of beautiful

1172
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:57,279
Speaker 2: sand castle you have built. The wave will smooth it

1173
00:54:57,320 --> 00:55:00,160
Speaker 2: all out no matter what. So, man, this is a

1174
00:55:00,320 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 2: really tough test. But I will say this, if Yon

1175
00:55:03,640 --> 00:55:06,399
Speaker 2: can get past him, he reasserts himself at the top

1176
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:10,120
Speaker 2: of that division. I think with authority. By contrast, if

1177
00:55:10,160 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 2: Dawallas Wheeley wins, that is, you could say the Aldo

1178
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,439
Speaker 2: win is the best win. I would disagree. I would

1179
00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 2: think if he beats Yon, that would be the best

1180
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:18,600
Speaker 2: win in his career. And when I say best win,

1181
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:20,399
Speaker 2: I don't mean like it looked the best. I mean

1182
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 2: just the best name on the resume. But if he

1183
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:24,759
Speaker 2: beats Yon, to me, that would be the best name

1184
00:55:24,800 --> 00:55:27,200
Speaker 2: on the resume by a million miles. Now he's a

1185
00:55:27,200 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 2: title contender, and then BC if Sirling is still the champion,

1186
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:35,600
Speaker 2: then you have some interesting questions that begin to get

1187
00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 2: asked after that point.

1188
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,000
Speaker 3: Now at a vedy one who's been in this spot

1189
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,880
Speaker 3: where their teammate is the champion and we've seen different reactions,

1190
00:55:41,920 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 3: and you know what a friend and what a friend

1191
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 3: you have in Daniel Cormier, right, who will go to

1192
00:55:46,080 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 3: another division altogether? And who knows if Alja will hold

1193
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:51,320
Speaker 3: on to the belt let alone not just move up anyway,

1194
00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 3: because he's talked about it a lot. But they will not,

1195
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 3: under any circumstance fight each other because of how much

1196
00:55:57,080 --> 00:55:59,840
Speaker 3: they've become brothers and depend on each other, and Morab

1197
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 3: looking at al Joe as a as a mentor and

1198
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 3: you know, and almost as a life mentor in some

1199
00:56:05,040 --> 00:56:07,520
Speaker 3: ways too, and helping him transition to moving to the

1200
00:56:07,520 --> 00:56:10,440
Speaker 3: States here. But it's crazy that Morob actually lost his

1201
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 3: first two UFC fights in succession there and then ripped

1202
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:16,000
Speaker 3: off this win streak that is now eight in a row,

1203
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 3: and he is raising his game with each step up

1204
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,759
Speaker 3: the ladder. And yeah, I mean, Jean's one of the

1205
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:23,640
Speaker 3: best fighters in the world, Luke, you know what I mean.

1206
00:56:23,680 --> 00:56:25,839
Speaker 3: Like if we did an extended pound for pound out

1207
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 3: to you know, twenty twenty five, He's going to figure

1208
00:56:28,719 --> 00:56:31,080
Speaker 3: into that a lot. Yet he's lost three of four

1209
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:33,280
Speaker 3: and one was a d two that he was winning,

1210
00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:35,799
Speaker 3: and two were split decisions, even though I did think

1211
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,760
Speaker 3: he lost in a way against Sterling that wasn't split

1212
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,280
Speaker 3: in my own personal judgment, But he just as easily

1213
00:56:41,280 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 3: could have beaten O'Malley and certainly was was elite in

1214
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:47,239
Speaker 3: game in that fight. So I love that pyotr Jan

1215
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 3: just just doesn't give an f man. Let's go right

1216
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 3: back to it. Let me get right back in there

1217
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,600
Speaker 3: and show you, and I think if from the idea of,

1218
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,600
Speaker 3: you know, looking back at his recent run, certain big

1219
00:56:56,640 --> 00:56:58,760
Speaker 3: mistakes he made that that you'd like him to change.

1220
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:01,080
Speaker 3: But Luke, he's not getting out class in there. He

1221
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,759
Speaker 3: just wants to constantly face the best and try to

1222
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,799
Speaker 3: become champion again. Damn. This has big steaks and I

1223
00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 3: love it. I could romanticize it left and right. But

1224
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:11,439
Speaker 3: how about this, Luke? Are you moved by UFC two

1225
00:57:11,440 --> 00:57:14,520
Speaker 3: eighty seven on April eighth, when Michelle Waterson Gomez takes

1226
00:57:14,560 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 3: on Luana Pinero. No, not moved.

1227
00:57:23,360 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 2: No, don't really. I mean I don't hate it. I

1228
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:26,720
Speaker 2: don't love it. I don't.

1229
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,880
Speaker 3: Well, maybe I use that Luke as a palette, you know,

1230
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 3: refresher the little sorbet before I give you the meat here,

1231
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:40,200
Speaker 3: and that meat is this April fifteenth, Edson Barbosa versus

1232
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:43,440
Speaker 3: a man who is MK approved and you're looking at him,

1233
00:57:43,480 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 3: Billy Quorn Tillo, who is an all action machine, trying

1234
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 3: to prove that he belongs at the cool lunch table. Luke,

1235
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:53,960
Speaker 3: but he's got to go up against a legend and

1236
00:57:54,040 --> 00:57:57,920
Speaker 3: a violent one. I love the flaming shit out of

1237
00:57:57,920 --> 00:57:59,920
Speaker 3: this fight, Luke, only this. That's not the right edge

1238
00:58:00,080 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 3: to describe it. This is a great fight.

1239
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 2: This is a stick fight. And dude, look at that.

1240
00:58:03,880 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 2: This is the picture right here. They're showing it right now,

1241
00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:10,040
Speaker 2: our producer. Which was the win over Alexander Hernandez. Hernandez

1242
00:58:10,040 --> 00:58:12,000
Speaker 2: came out in that first round and looked great. Now.

1243
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,440
Speaker 2: That was down a weight class obviously, which didn't work

1244
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 2: out for him, but he looked great in that fight

1245
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,920
Speaker 2: once he dealt with the early difficulty of Billy Quarantillo

1246
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:25,160
Speaker 2: did of Hernandez. Hernandez started so strong, but then Hernandez

1247
00:58:25,160 --> 00:58:26,760
Speaker 2: I think he mounted to come back towards the end

1248
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 2: of that first and then certainly in the second he

1249
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:33,040
Speaker 2: put it on Hernandez winning via stoppage in there. He

1250
00:58:33,080 --> 00:58:35,520
Speaker 2: looked great. Now. He came off the win over Shane Burgos,

1251
00:58:35,640 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 2: which was understandable, but he had to win over Mowgli

1252
00:58:37,720 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 2: Benitez before that. I love this for Billy Quarantillo. Now,

1253
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:43,040
Speaker 2: Billy has to know this. I'm not saying anything he

1254
00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 2: doesn't know or the audience doesn't know. That's a tough fight.

1255
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 2: Barboza is not what he once was, but he is still.

1256
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 2: I mean, you fuck around, you find out against Edson Barboza.

1257
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:54,320
Speaker 2: I think I'm sure, yeah, I'm sure Billy knows that

1258
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 2: as well. But this, I love the way you framed

1259
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,600
Speaker 2: it right, because Billy has been a fun fighter, and

1260
00:58:58,640 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 2: he's been a good fighter. He's got wins over Spike,

1261
00:59:00,560 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 2: Carlisle and some other fun, fun action fights that have

1262
00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 2: been there. But you want to start climbing the ranks,

1263
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:06,880
Speaker 2: you want to start making a name for yourself. You

1264
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 2: really want to see, like exactly how far you can go.

1265
00:59:09,920 --> 00:59:12,240
Speaker 2: This is a great fight to begin to really push

1266
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:15,479
Speaker 2: that off, especially off the back of the Hernandez wins.

1267
00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,280
Speaker 2: So very tough fight for Billy Q, but a fun

1268
00:59:18,320 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 2: one for the fans. Can't wait to see it, and big,

1269
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 2: big stakes for that young man's career.

1270
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:26,760
Speaker 3: Barbosa's what was he thirty six?

1271
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 2: He's an old thirty six man.

1272
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:32,200
Speaker 3: He's been up and he did reinvent himself at a

1273
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:34,520
Speaker 3: lower way class and all that. But since he beat

1274
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:38,560
Speaker 3: Benil Daryuch in twenty seventeen, just three and seven since then.

1275
00:59:38,600 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 3: But look, I mean there was some crazy fights in there,

1276
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:43,640
Speaker 3: from Habib to Kevin Lee and Dan Hooker as well.

1277
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:47,600
Speaker 3: To kick that off, most recently losing streak of two fights,

1278
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:51,280
Speaker 3: getting stopped by Giga Chikazi and the decision loss to

1279
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 3: Bryce Mitchell last March. So yeah, let's find out what

1280
00:59:54,880 --> 00:59:58,600
Speaker 3: that fight Crossroads. Indeed, TJ. Brown versus Bill al Jayo

1281
00:59:58,680 --> 01:00:01,400
Speaker 3: sept for April fifteenth, the same night, Luke, I don't

1282
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 3: know if you love that, But Carol Rosa against Norma

1283
01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:07,520
Speaker 3: Dumont usc fight night April twenty second, I don't hate.

1284
01:00:07,320 --> 01:00:10,120
Speaker 2: That, all right, uh No, it's a fine fight.

1285
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:14,320
Speaker 3: And also, Luke, how about this for Belatoor two ninety two,

1286
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:18,160
Speaker 3: James Gallaher versus Leandro Higo.

1287
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, that's a tough fight for Gallaher, who, by

1288
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:23,560
Speaker 2: the way, you know, switched up his whole life and

1289
01:00:23,640 --> 01:00:26,720
Speaker 2: left Ireland to go to James Krause's camp, and now

1290
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,439
Speaker 2: that whole thing fucking blew up. I don't I don't

1291
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:31,760
Speaker 2: know if Bellatore has put the same kind of restrictions

1292
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 2: on working at that gym that USC has, but I

1293
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:36,560
Speaker 2: doubt it matters at this point, considering everyone else probably

1294
01:00:36,600 --> 01:00:38,959
Speaker 2: had to leave, and the gym is in whatever state

1295
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,800
Speaker 2: that it's in, you know, it's not great, and so

1296
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:45,080
Speaker 2: he's had to reinvent and everything. He was riding so

1297
01:00:45,280 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 2: high early and has had a lot of difficulty. He

1298
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,200
Speaker 2: still is quite talented and it's a winnable fight against

1299
01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,840
Speaker 2: EGO for sure, but that's a tough fight for him.

1300
01:00:52,920 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 2: And yeah, we'll see what happens.

1301
01:00:56,080 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 3: Picture him riding dirty, Luke. I have after that conversation

1302
01:00:58,720 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 3: we had with him at you that time, James Galaher,

1303
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 3: you know what.

1304
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 2: I'm talking about? I do. Yes.

1305
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:05,200
Speaker 3: He was like, guys, not on the air, please, okay,

1306
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 3: not on the air, Please don't mention the pipe I'm

1307
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 3: laying on air Topic number four Luke. UFC has taken

1308
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 3: the formal legislative steps to continue to build the walls

1309
01:01:17,000 --> 01:01:19,680
Speaker 3: that are necessary to separate them and the money they

1310
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:24,560
Speaker 3: can make on legalized gambling from the potential of further scandal,

1311
01:01:24,600 --> 01:01:27,200
Speaker 3: fight fixing all the things that have been associated or

1312
01:01:27,240 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 3: at least threatened in the James Krouse, Derek Minner and

1313
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:36,280
Speaker 3: ETCA situation. UFC now partnering with betting with the Betting

1314
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 3: Integrity Company. They've announced a new, updated, expanded code of

1315
01:01:41,520 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 3: conduct in terms of the rules on who can bet

1316
01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:51,800
Speaker 3: and who can't. Every single fighter under contract, including their managers, nutritionist, trainers,

1317
01:01:51,840 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 3: anyone associated with the camp now officially banned from betting

1318
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 3: on any UFC fights, and Luke the fallout, which is

1319
01:01:58,600 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 3: certainly not you know, just connected with this is the

1320
01:02:01,760 --> 01:02:08,080
Speaker 3: Province of Ontario fully once again restoring legalized betting on UFC.

1321
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:10,760
Speaker 3: There's some details here we can go through, but your

1322
01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 3: general reaction to what I have to believe was an

1323
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 3: expected move, right.

1324
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:18,479
Speaker 2: I think in general, I mean this, you know, listen again,

1325
01:02:18,520 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 2: I had someone ask me, Hey, if the UFC wanted

1326
01:02:20,640 --> 01:02:22,560
Speaker 2: some good press, could they really just do a better

1327
01:02:22,640 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 2: job of in this in this climate where you know,

1328
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:28,560
Speaker 2: Dana White's issues and then this James Crouse issue and

1329
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 2: everything else that's going on, could they just you know,

1330
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:33,680
Speaker 2: make try really harder to make fun fights. And it's like, guys,

1331
01:02:33,720 --> 01:02:36,160
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure that those matchmakers are maxed out, you

1332
01:02:36,200 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like that that job is not enviable.

1333
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:41,600
Speaker 2: It sounds cool. I'm the matchmaker for the Ultimate Fighting Championship,

1334
01:02:41,600 --> 01:02:43,320
Speaker 2: and I'm sure some people would love it, but it's

1335
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:45,600
Speaker 2: hell on your life. I mean, the travel, in the hours,

1336
01:02:45,640 --> 01:02:47,720
Speaker 2: it's you just can't imagine what they have to do.

1337
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 2: It's like, why did why did Joe Silva? You know,

1338
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 2: take the money after the sale and then just leave

1339
01:02:53,280 --> 01:02:55,280
Speaker 2: the sport, probably because it took years off of his

1340
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 2: life while he was doing.

1341
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:58,760
Speaker 3: It's not just matchmaking. The other half of it is

1342
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 3: contract negotiation. And obviously they're bringing in like a what

1343
01:03:02,080 --> 01:03:04,280
Speaker 3: it was a Hunter Campbell and does Laurence Epstein do

1344
01:03:04,320 --> 01:03:06,000
Speaker 3: contracts to look, I try to get everybody.

1345
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 2: I don't think he's involved with that.

1346
01:03:07,560 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 3: No, it's certainly Hunter Campbell, and I know Dan's got

1347
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,360
Speaker 3: a big influence. But matchmakers have to do something called

1348
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 3: talent relations and we've heard four years from Jim Ross

1349
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:16,720
Speaker 3: in the pro wrestling world it's like the you know,

1350
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:20,000
Speaker 3: the absolute worst job you can have that ruins relationships

1351
01:03:20,080 --> 01:03:22,840
Speaker 3: and makes you a babysitter and yeah, it's rough.

1352
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what I was gonna say was, you know,

1353
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 2: I don't think that's the answer the way to get

1354
01:03:26,520 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 2: good press. And again I don't think that you saw

1355
01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 2: it does what people think that it does. But remember

1356
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:33,000
Speaker 2: what did they do when the TRT scandal hit, Like

1357
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:35,040
Speaker 2: when it finally blew up and they were getting headlines,

1358
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:39,480
Speaker 2: they said, Okay, let's do the corporate, buttoned up, responsible thing.

1359
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:41,120
Speaker 2: And it is what the public perceives to be the

1360
01:03:41,160 --> 01:03:44,840
Speaker 2: responsible thing, and let's go get what people perceive to

1361
01:03:44,880 --> 01:03:47,000
Speaker 2: be the very best drug testing that you could probably

1362
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 2: get for an independent organization, and let's do that. And

1363
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 2: that actually got them really good headlines, and in some

1364
01:03:52,240 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 2: people's perspective, it made it at least it didn't fully

1365
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 2: clean it up. It made it a lot better than

1366
01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 2: what they had before. Right, that was actually what you do.

1367
01:03:58,600 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 2: You actually go and address the problem and a sort

1368
01:04:00,560 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 2: of buttoned up professional way. In large part, I view

1369
01:04:03,920 --> 01:04:06,200
Speaker 2: this like that they had a bit of a very

1370
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 2: unregulated gray territory where there was just a lot of misconduct,

1371
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 2: but who was really watching, who really cared, No one

1372
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:15,440
Speaker 2: was really bothered by it, and then they had an

1373
01:04:15,440 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 2: issue blow up and now they're trying to do things

1374
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:20,440
Speaker 2: to address it. It's good that they got reinstated in Ontario.

1375
01:04:20,520 --> 01:04:23,520
Speaker 2: I think partnering with US integrity is I mean, it's

1376
01:04:23,520 --> 01:04:25,400
Speaker 2: hard to see how that's a bad thing, right, I mean,

1377
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:27,480
Speaker 2: what would be the downside of that, at least from

1378
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:29,680
Speaker 2: what we can see right now, So that all that

1379
01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 2: seems quite good and quite fine. The only part that

1380
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:33,560
Speaker 2: comes back to me on this BC and I've actually

1381
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 2: contacted a couple of lawyers about this, and they didn't

1382
01:04:36,840 --> 01:04:38,840
Speaker 2: really have a good answer for me either, which is,

1383
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 2: it is very much not clear to me by what

1384
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:46,040
Speaker 2: regulatory mechanism they can actually enforce that code of conduct

1385
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:50,720
Speaker 2: in the following provision, namely that let's say one of

1386
01:04:50,760 --> 01:04:54,960
Speaker 2: the cornermen for one of the fighters, see something god

1387
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 2: knows what kind of an event or whatever that gives

1388
01:04:57,680 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 2: him a bit of an inside track. He uses that

1389
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 2: to bet on something and it's suspicious or whatever, like,

1390
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:05,200
Speaker 2: how would they even identify something like that? How would

1391
01:05:05,200 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 2: they enforce it? And then the penalty for something like

1392
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:09,680
Speaker 2: that would be that you would penalize the fighter. What

1393
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:12,840
Speaker 2: if the fighter was totally unaware of it? That seems

1394
01:05:12,880 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 2: to me like something that has really not been fully

1395
01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:18,880
Speaker 2: explored at all, And that, by the way, doesn't even

1396
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 2: get to the situation of how do you enforce it

1397
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:23,440
Speaker 2: from a logistical perspective? How do you enforce that from

1398
01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:26,520
Speaker 2: a legal perspective? By what legal mechanism do they have

1399
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:31,240
Speaker 2: to penalize fighters for the conduct of people they have

1400
01:05:31,400 --> 01:05:34,200
Speaker 2: no control over, who might do something without any of

1401
01:05:34,240 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 2: their knowledge. That seems to me plainly absurd, And I

1402
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 2: don't even know if that's legal. So the fighters are

1403
01:05:40,520 --> 01:05:43,560
Speaker 2: not as if passed his prologue, they're not going to

1404
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,280
Speaker 2: do a fucking thing about it. But I just want

1405
01:05:46,320 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 2: to point out when we get to this conversation about

1406
01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 2: employee versus independent contractor what plumber do you know? Is

1407
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 2: exclusive to one a single employment entity and be depending

1408
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 2: on the nature of their work, can be penalized if

1409
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:04,760
Speaker 2: somebody in their family or in their orbit who's not

1410
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 2: really working for that other organization because they're not does

1411
01:06:09,920 --> 01:06:12,880
Speaker 2: something that that other organization or the other the employer

1412
01:06:12,960 --> 01:06:16,240
Speaker 2: doesn't like. That is like you could never ever ever

1413
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 2: enforce it. These guys are employees. They're treated like independent contractors,

1414
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,760
Speaker 2: but they're employees, and I think something like this really

1415
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 2: begins to muddy the waters, even if by the way,

1416
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:26,520
Speaker 2: I want to be clear, if you see last thing,

1417
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:29,560
Speaker 2: last thing to do though, right, right, So this is so,

1418
01:06:30,000 --> 01:06:33,120
Speaker 2: this is the thing. I'm so glad you said it.

1419
01:06:33,120 --> 01:06:37,880
Speaker 2: It's not an unwise rule, right, it's not a stupid rule.

1420
01:06:38,040 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 2: It's not a bad rule. And if they were employees,

1421
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:43,560
Speaker 2: you wouldn't bat an eye. You'd be like, yeah, that's

1422
01:06:43,640 --> 01:06:47,080
Speaker 2: exactly what the organization did. It only becomes an issue

1423
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:50,880
Speaker 2: because they want the benefit of classifying them as independent contractors,

1424
01:06:51,120 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 2: but they want all of the benefit that actually comes

1425
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:56,400
Speaker 2: with basically treating them like employees. It's that tension there

1426
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 2: that causes the problems.

1427
01:06:57,880 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you're not talking about nasaka. Oh I got it, Luke.

1428
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 3: And also it did. This is so much out of

1429
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:07,160
Speaker 3: the Vince McMann WW playbook, the way that this is

1430
01:07:07,200 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 3: still like this and you know, and that's considered still

1431
01:07:10,040 --> 01:07:12,160
Speaker 3: a wild West way, although I think the treatment of

1432
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:14,840
Speaker 3: athletes has gotten better in recent years to a certain degree.

1433
01:07:14,880 --> 01:07:17,360
Speaker 3: But it's wild. But yeah, you have to have this

1434
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:19,479
Speaker 3: to cover your ass, first of all, but I also

1435
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:23,160
Speaker 3: to put out that fear in anyone that potentially because

1436
01:07:23,160 --> 01:07:25,080
Speaker 3: you can't, I agree with, you can't monitor it, you

1437
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:26,480
Speaker 3: can't be on top of it. It's gonna be hard

1438
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:28,840
Speaker 3: to catch people unless they make really stupid decisions. But

1439
01:07:29,120 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 3: in hindsight, James Cross bragging about it on Ariel even

1440
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 3: before that became the rule, So technically what he was doing,

1441
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:37,440
Speaker 3: most of it was legal or some of it, you know,

1442
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:40,880
Speaker 3: whatever you can decipher for yourself. You know, that just announced, Hey,

1443
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:43,160
Speaker 3: bring attention this way, but you're not gonna be able

1444
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 3: to enforce it as much as is. It's going to

1445
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 3: deter people. But Luke, if you're a fighter who feels

1446
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:51,640
Speaker 3: like you are in a position where you're so burdened

1447
01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 3: by the current pay structure and the rights you already have,

1448
01:07:54,720 --> 01:07:57,880
Speaker 3: and you were using that in a as honest the

1449
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 3: way you could, meaning betting to offset your income, man,

1450
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:02,720
Speaker 3: that's got to suck, now, you know what I mean. First,

1451
01:08:02,760 --> 01:08:04,960
Speaker 3: the rebound deal. Now this it's just a continuation in

1452
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:07,280
Speaker 3: that direction. But god, that's it has to be in there.

1453
01:08:07,320 --> 01:08:09,920
Speaker 3: You have to have these safeguards built in to protect

1454
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:13,400
Speaker 3: yourself because you know, you lose that integrity, you lose

1455
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:14,760
Speaker 3: a lot more than money.

1456
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean, you can have all the bad press

1457
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:21,679
Speaker 2: in the world about your product, but maybe the worst

1458
01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:24,040
Speaker 2: kind of press you could have is that your product

1459
01:08:24,080 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 2: is not what you say it is, that it's fraudulent.

1460
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:30,479
Speaker 2: That's that's the worst you could have. So again, I

1461
01:08:30,479 --> 01:08:32,840
Speaker 2: think partnering with US Integrity makes all the sense in

1462
01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 2: the world. I hope they do their job. I would

1463
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:36,880
Speaker 2: love for this to go away and the you know,

1464
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,760
Speaker 2: case closed and it's fine, but the restrictions that they

1465
01:08:39,840 --> 01:08:45,160
Speaker 2: place on these fighters and then now coaches, agents, managers, cornermen,

1466
01:08:45,320 --> 01:08:48,880
Speaker 2: anyone in that orbit. The penalization of the fighter by

1467
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 2: a virtue of their actions. I mean, how on earth

1468
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:54,000
Speaker 2: is that legal? We won't know until it's challenged. We

1469
01:08:54,080 --> 01:08:55,599
Speaker 2: know they're not going to challenge it, but it is,

1470
01:08:56,160 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 2: you know, to borrow from Dan Lebattard, it is highly questionable.

1471
01:08:59,560 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 3: There you go, there, you go, well done, there, Luke. Uh,

1472
01:09:02,600 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 3: somewhat transgentially connected to this.

1473
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a weird that's a weird word's air.

1474
01:09:08,720 --> 01:09:12,280
Speaker 3: I did not mean that under any potential negative connotations

1475
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:16,000
Speaker 3: beyond my own inability to make fake grammatical choices, Luke.

1476
01:09:16,040 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 3: But I will tell you this because we have nowhere

1477
01:09:18,920 --> 01:09:20,280
Speaker 3: else to put it in the show. Like this is

1478
01:09:20,400 --> 01:09:23,519
Speaker 3: UFC with this betting running toward regulation like they did

1479
01:09:23,520 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 3: to you know, eventually get UFC fit for cable TV,

1480
01:09:28,840 --> 01:09:32,000
Speaker 3: but like they also did for Slap Fighting, Luke, with

1481
01:09:32,120 --> 01:09:35,760
Speaker 3: the debut of Power Slap on TBS. Uh, was it

1482
01:09:35,760 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 3: Wednesday night, Thursday night whatever? Luke, Wednesday night? And but

1483
01:09:41,080 --> 01:09:44,160
Speaker 3: it's a different game. And the backlash was there when

1484
01:09:44,160 --> 01:09:46,800
Speaker 3: it launched, and the backlash seemed to potentially have a

1485
01:09:46,800 --> 01:09:49,720
Speaker 3: big effect on the ratings because what they're coming in

1486
01:09:49,800 --> 01:09:54,759
Speaker 3: over overnight there is that Power Slap. The Dana White

1487
01:09:55,080 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 3: Pro Combat Slap League, in its debut episode, had the

1488
01:09:58,200 --> 01:10:00,120
Speaker 3: one of the greatest leadings you could have with the

1489
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:03,800
Speaker 3: Red Hot aw Wrestling Show ahead of it, and looke

1490
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:06,920
Speaker 3: I believe the wrestling show peaked at just under a

1491
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:10,719
Speaker 3: million viewers, whereas the Power Slap averaged just two hundred

1492
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:13,840
Speaker 3: and ninety five thousand following that and did just a

1493
01:10:13,960 --> 01:10:17,599
Speaker 3: point one in the eighteen to you know, thirty four.

1494
01:10:17,720 --> 01:10:21,280
Speaker 3: Whatever category you're looking that everyone's looking for to connect with,

1495
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:25,439
Speaker 3: you're probably not surprised. M Effort, But do you have

1496
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:29,000
Speaker 3: any comment about this or the the larger reaction which

1497
01:10:29,160 --> 01:10:32,400
Speaker 3: refreshing to actually see fighters, a few of them, I

1498
01:10:32,400 --> 01:10:34,200
Speaker 3: mean guys like Ben asking to have nothing to lose,

1499
01:10:34,240 --> 01:10:36,680
Speaker 3: but others who might who have been going against it,

1500
01:10:36,720 --> 01:10:39,479
Speaker 3: and then to see concussion experts like Chris Nowinski, the

1501
01:10:39,960 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 3: EXWW athlete basically describe and a quote tweet exactly the

1502
01:10:45,040 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 3: carnage that comes in a sport. This barbaric and ridiculous. Damn.

1503
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 3: I hope this is the end for this luke, and

1504
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:53,799
Speaker 3: not out of a grudge, just out of the decency.

1505
01:10:53,880 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 3: I mean, what does this say about America?

1506
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:58,320
Speaker 2: Luke Thomas, Yeah, it says that, you know, I was

1507
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 2: I did a sports radio show here this week and

1508
01:11:00,280 --> 01:11:01,920
Speaker 2: they were asking, like, isn't there an audience for this?

1509
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:05,599
Speaker 2: And I'm like, a declining one. I mean, they had

1510
01:11:05,600 --> 01:11:07,719
Speaker 2: a lead in of a bit of just under a million,

1511
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,639
Speaker 2: and they averaged just under three hundred thousand. So they

1512
01:11:10,680 --> 01:11:12,720
Speaker 2: lost they could I mean you could say, did they

1513
01:11:12,720 --> 01:11:14,640
Speaker 2: lose six or seven hundred thousand over the course of it.

1514
01:11:14,640 --> 01:11:16,880
Speaker 2: That parts hard to know specifically, but they couldn't retain

1515
01:11:16,920 --> 01:11:19,320
Speaker 2: the audience. If that number is correct, that means it

1516
01:11:19,400 --> 01:11:22,080
Speaker 2: lost over the What you want is whatever your leading is,

1517
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:24,680
Speaker 2: you want to build over the course of the broadcast, right,

1518
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:26,200
Speaker 2: So that's what you're looking for. You're looking for either

1519
01:11:26,240 --> 01:11:28,759
Speaker 2: to hold the audience or grow it during the actual

1520
01:11:28,760 --> 01:11:32,799
Speaker 2: broadcast of whatever you're looking for. The exact opposite happened

1521
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:36,080
Speaker 2: under this condition. They lost the audience over the course

1522
01:11:36,120 --> 01:11:38,760
Speaker 2: of the broadcast. It's sort of two responses I have

1523
01:11:38,840 --> 01:11:40,639
Speaker 2: to a one BC is that you know, it tells

1524
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,720
Speaker 2: you the reality of this, like PC boxing, like and

1525
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 2: I mean there's in a serious way for just a second, right,

1526
01:11:46,520 --> 01:11:49,559
Speaker 2: maybe you could say combat sports at this point, but certainly, like, dude,

1527
01:11:49,560 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 2: what has been the great love of your life? And

1528
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 2: I don't mean romantic love, I mean the thing that

1529
01:11:53,160 --> 01:11:56,479
Speaker 2: drove you from like a personal passion thing before you

1530
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:58,880
Speaker 2: ever met your wife. Dude, boxing has been the love

1531
01:11:58,920 --> 01:12:00,639
Speaker 2: of your life in that sense, you know what I mean?

1532
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,080
Speaker 2: And you've been watching it for the vast majority of

1533
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:05,679
Speaker 2: your life at this point, certainly almost nearly the entirety

1534
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 2: of your adult life. MMA is something approximating that. For me,

1535
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:11,719
Speaker 2: we could say combat sports. Could you imagine yourself watching

1536
01:12:11,720 --> 01:12:14,759
Speaker 2: another twenty years of boxing? Easily? It's not hard at all, Right,

1537
01:12:14,880 --> 01:12:16,680
Speaker 2: twenty years of m I can watch it. Can you

1538
01:12:16,720 --> 01:12:19,600
Speaker 2: imagine watching fifteen years of slat fighting? Like? Here's the

1539
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:22,200
Speaker 2: interesting part about it. On the one hand, it's both

1540
01:12:22,280 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 2: revolting and awful for all the reasons aforementioned. And two,

1541
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:30,920
Speaker 2: it's fucking boring. It's boring, like it's you kind of

1542
01:12:30,960 --> 01:12:33,479
Speaker 2: it works on your phone when like you're you know,

1543
01:12:33,640 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 2: scrolling through YouTube shorts or TikTok or Instagram or whatever,

1544
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 2: and then it comes up and you see someone get

1545
01:12:39,160 --> 01:12:40,360
Speaker 2: hit and you're like, oh wow, that's something. When we

1546
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:42,880
Speaker 2: actually try to watch the programming. There's really just not

1547
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:44,960
Speaker 2: much to it. And I think the lack of the

1548
01:12:45,160 --> 01:12:48,360
Speaker 2: interest and from the audience, aside from the revulsion, speaks

1549
01:12:48,360 --> 01:12:50,320
Speaker 2: to that. The second part is we now have The

1550
01:12:50,400 --> 01:12:52,680
Speaker 2: Ultimate Surfer, we now have the boxing reality show which

1551
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:54,439
Speaker 2: I believe was called The Fighters, and we now have

1552
01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:57,559
Speaker 2: this among other independent efforts from Dana White, and I

1553
01:12:57,560 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 2: want folks to understand something, Bro.

1554
01:12:59,080 --> 01:13:00,800
Speaker 3: Put some respect on howler Heads name.

1555
01:13:00,840 --> 01:13:02,400
Speaker 2: We I don't know much about Howlerhead. I've not tried it.

1556
01:13:02,439 --> 01:13:03,479
Speaker 2: I don't know what kind of market. No.

1557
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:05,360
Speaker 3: I mean, that looks like a win for him, right.

1558
01:13:05,400 --> 01:13:07,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's probably a win. Probably everyone's got a liquor

1559
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:10,920
Speaker 2: of these days. But in terms of like television programming,

1560
01:13:11,200 --> 01:13:13,200
Speaker 2: it has been a series of failures for him, and

1561
01:13:13,200 --> 01:13:16,040
Speaker 2: not just failures like very dramatic ones. The Fighters lasted

1562
01:13:16,080 --> 01:13:18,880
Speaker 2: one episode, The Ultimate Surfer flamed out, and this looks

1563
01:13:18,880 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 2: like it's going to have an even worse week two

1564
01:13:20,360 --> 01:13:21,880
Speaker 2: than it had in a week one, not to say

1565
01:13:21,880 --> 01:13:24,200
Speaker 2: nothing of the controversy that came from it. And the

1566
01:13:24,240 --> 01:13:27,080
Speaker 2: other part too, is they used they like unlike The Fighters,

1567
01:13:27,080 --> 01:13:30,200
Speaker 2: and unlike The Ultimate Surfer. They used the full court

1568
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:34,879
Speaker 2: UFC press here, using UFC fighters, UFC programming, UFC digital assets,

1569
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:40,559
Speaker 2: UFC architecture, UFC athletic Justification, Commission sanctioning. They used all

1570
01:13:40,600 --> 01:13:42,879
Speaker 2: of these things, and they still couldn't hold the audience

1571
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:45,800
Speaker 2: at all. From a fantastic lead in neal note BC,

1572
01:13:45,920 --> 01:13:48,599
Speaker 2: they borrowed the same thing they did from The Ultimate Fighter.

1573
01:13:48,640 --> 01:13:51,280
Speaker 2: What was the lead in programming for The Ultimate Fighter

1574
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 2: on Spike all the way back in two thousand and five,

1575
01:13:53,439 --> 01:13:56,800
Speaker 2: It was raw. It was WWE's raw programming. That was

1576
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:59,400
Speaker 2: what their lead in was. They used aw this time

1577
01:13:59,439 --> 01:14:01,880
Speaker 2: they borrowed all the same parts. So not only do

1578
01:14:01,960 --> 01:14:04,679
Speaker 2: you have now a series of failures on the television side,

1579
01:14:05,040 --> 01:14:07,080
Speaker 2: they're not even doing it in an original way. The

1580
01:14:07,160 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 2: Ultimate surfers just to borrow what they already did. This

1581
01:14:09,880 --> 01:14:12,559
Speaker 2: was really just borrowing from what they already know from

1582
01:14:12,560 --> 01:14:15,080
Speaker 2: the UFC product. They just kind of transport it over like.

1583
01:14:15,120 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 2: This is what I mean when I say, do I

1584
01:14:17,160 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 2: think that that the UFC benefits by having Dana White's presence? Yes?

1585
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:26,160
Speaker 2: But do I think removing him really causes long term

1586
01:14:26,200 --> 01:14:29,000
Speaker 2: cost to the business. I don't what on earth is

1587
01:14:29,040 --> 01:14:31,600
Speaker 2: the argument for that? At this point, no new ideas

1588
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:33,960
Speaker 2: and the other things he tries to launch don't work.

1589
01:14:34,680 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 2: That thing he did with MMA was so amazing you

1590
01:14:37,960 --> 01:14:40,160
Speaker 2: can't take it away from him. But that you need

1591
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:43,559
Speaker 2: him to still do the same old show. It doesn't

1592
01:14:43,680 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 2: It doesn't work anymore. That people are not interested in that.

1593
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:49,960
Speaker 2: They want new fresher ideas and they're not coming from him.

1594
01:14:50,600 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 3: Do you do you think it was I mean he

1595
01:14:53,120 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 3: was allowed to eat. I mean this is like a

1596
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:57,439
Speaker 3: competing entity, not a competing entity against UFC, but like

1597
01:14:57,479 --> 01:14:59,479
Speaker 3: this is a separate Dana side thing. You got his

1598
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:02,240
Speaker 3: own TV feel separate from you know, ESPN. But like

1599
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:05,280
Speaker 3: you mentioned, using the UFC vehicle to promote it, that

1600
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:08,080
Speaker 3: I thought was a little interesting, the aggressiveness used. Obviously

1601
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:12,160
Speaker 3: they just cloned their own presentation and strategy, like you said,

1602
01:15:12,400 --> 01:15:14,040
Speaker 3: which they've done a few times. But it kind of

1603
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:17,880
Speaker 3: only works here unless we see UFC Cliff Diver or

1604
01:15:17,920 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 3: you know, Ultimate Clift Diver coming out soon, Luke. But interesting.

1605
01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:24,960
Speaker 3: I'm trying to think of how I was trying to

1606
01:15:24,960 --> 01:15:27,720
Speaker 3: frame that to you. Good. Good to take it back, Luke,

1607
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:29,400
Speaker 3: take it back. You know I got a lot.

1608
01:15:29,560 --> 01:15:31,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't have much to add beyond that.

1609
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:35,600
Speaker 2: It's just like it turns out. I think what's going

1610
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:38,200
Speaker 2: to happen with slat fighting is that we wanted to

1611
01:15:38,240 --> 01:15:39,960
Speaker 2: be like, oh my god, this is so stupid and

1612
01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:44,120
Speaker 2: so revolting that it doesn't deserve airtime. And you know,

1613
01:15:44,880 --> 01:15:48,920
Speaker 2: people ask me like, does that negative pushback hurt the product?

1614
01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:51,519
Speaker 2: I actually think it actually generated publicity for it, certainly

1615
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 2: of some awareness for it at a bare minimum. Right,

1616
01:15:54,320 --> 01:15:56,240
Speaker 2: maybe it actually boosted it in the short run. But

1617
01:15:56,280 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 2: it just turns out in the end it's just a

1618
01:15:59,080 --> 01:16:02,280
Speaker 2: shitty product. It's like, forget about the medical implications, forget

1619
01:16:02,280 --> 01:16:06,400
Speaker 2: about all that stuff. It's just a bad, uninteresting, low

1620
01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:11,519
Speaker 2: brow shit product that's not fun, cool, or really able

1621
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:12,719
Speaker 2: to grab and hold people's attention.

1622
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:15,240
Speaker 3: I don't even take that into a factor. I'm looking

1623
01:16:15,280 --> 01:16:17,040
Speaker 3: at the hell side because I didn't try to watch this.

1624
01:16:17,080 --> 01:16:18,479
Speaker 3: I don't want to watch it, but I saw the

1625
01:16:18,479 --> 01:16:22,080
Speaker 3: clips that were being tweeted out, especially Nowinski, who is

1626
01:16:22,120 --> 01:16:24,320
Speaker 3: doing such a great job, you know, in his full

1627
01:16:24,320 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 3: time job Harvard graduate in campaigning and discovering and exposing

1628
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:33,200
Speaker 3: everything that trauma brings and head trauma, and obviously there's

1629
01:16:33,240 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 3: a difference between accepting boxing and mixed martial arts in

1630
01:16:36,240 --> 01:16:39,599
Speaker 3: the NFL and NHL and the head trauma that happens

1631
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:44,720
Speaker 3: sometimes in fair fights. There's nothing fair about this, But

1632
01:16:45,240 --> 01:16:47,280
Speaker 3: if you don't know, if you didn't see it at all,

1633
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:50,280
Speaker 3: you have a certain amount of time. I think it's

1634
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:53,479
Speaker 3: one minute after if you're dropped and you're obviously concussed,

1635
01:16:53,479 --> 01:16:55,360
Speaker 3: and people that were dropped it was like, you know,

1636
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:57,880
Speaker 3: their body was shaking like a boxer that's been knocked out.

1637
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:01,719
Speaker 3: You know, look the rule that you have sixty seconds

1638
01:17:01,760 --> 01:17:03,960
Speaker 3: to kind of revive yourself and get back up, and

1639
01:17:04,000 --> 01:17:06,080
Speaker 3: you could say, okay, there's no different than getting knocked

1640
01:17:06,080 --> 01:17:07,760
Speaker 3: down in boxing, right, and you have ten seconds to

1641
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:10,600
Speaker 3: get back up. I think the only comparison there is

1642
01:17:10,600 --> 01:17:13,280
Speaker 3: the ten seconds. I mean, these guys are getting viciously

1643
01:17:13,360 --> 01:17:17,360
Speaker 3: concussed and then revived the very You know, you can't

1644
01:17:17,400 --> 01:17:19,800
Speaker 3: say much about boxing and the safety history and all

1645
01:17:19,800 --> 01:17:21,880
Speaker 3: that and the danger. You really can't, even though it's

1646
01:17:21,880 --> 01:17:25,000
Speaker 3: at least organized from a safety standpoint, But you know,

1647
01:17:25,040 --> 01:17:28,240
Speaker 3: if somebody, especially in this era, gets dropped and is

1648
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:31,599
Speaker 3: visibly knocked out, even if they revive, referees are more

1649
01:17:31,600 --> 01:17:34,800
Speaker 3: often than not jumping in without account. It's built into

1650
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:37,719
Speaker 3: the structure of this that you know, if you can survive,

1651
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 3: you know, being knocked out cold and get revived and

1652
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:45,080
Speaker 3: do it again. I mean, it's it's obviously the worst

1653
01:17:45,120 --> 01:17:47,799
Speaker 3: message you could ever send if you're a fight promoter

1654
01:17:47,920 --> 01:17:50,679
Speaker 3: and the fight promoter. But why are we not mentioning

1655
01:17:50,680 --> 01:17:52,640
Speaker 3: the thing I forgot earlier came back to me, the

1656
01:17:52,720 --> 01:17:55,400
Speaker 3: Furteta's involvement in here. When this was first announced Luca

1657
01:17:55,479 --> 01:17:58,599
Speaker 3: in the press release, it was Dana White and Lorenzo

1658
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:02,040
Speaker 3: and Frank Furtita, like you nighting to launch something that like,

1659
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:06,360
Speaker 3: I'm surprised that the success those brothers have had. And

1660
01:18:06,360 --> 01:18:08,559
Speaker 3: you know, no one, no one can be undefeated. You

1661
01:18:08,640 --> 01:18:11,000
Speaker 3: have to have failures, and UFC almost was one. Let's

1662
01:18:11,000 --> 01:18:13,280
Speaker 3: give him credit for getting through it. How did they

1663
01:18:13,320 --> 01:18:15,840
Speaker 3: look at this as like and not see the other

1664
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:18,840
Speaker 3: side of it, the messaging, the all that, I mean,

1665
01:18:19,120 --> 01:18:20,480
Speaker 3: it even survives.

1666
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:24,000
Speaker 2: Because they're convinced, that dude, that they're convince that they're

1667
01:18:24,040 --> 01:18:28,280
Speaker 2: convinced their geniuses right, They're convinced of the surety of

1668
01:18:28,320 --> 01:18:31,680
Speaker 2: their own ideas. And I've spoken to Lorenzo, Lorenzo, I mean,

1669
01:18:31,720 --> 01:18:34,559
Speaker 2: all of these guys you know Dana, I don't think has.

1670
01:18:35,439 --> 01:18:38,600
Speaker 2: Dana has a very clear sense. He's like, he's a

1671
01:18:38,720 --> 01:18:42,400
Speaker 2: very legitimate fight fan, and I think that that understanding

1672
01:18:42,439 --> 01:18:45,120
Speaker 2: of being a real fight fan gives him certain wisdom

1673
01:18:45,160 --> 01:18:47,919
Speaker 2: about what works and what doesn't inside the fight game itself.

1674
01:18:48,120 --> 01:18:50,599
Speaker 2: I do take that seriously. Again, his success is not accidental.

1675
01:18:50,800 --> 01:18:54,360
Speaker 2: None of their success is accidental. And the Fertidas as well,

1676
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:56,200
Speaker 2: Like I've spoken to Lorenzo a couple of times, he

1677
01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:58,160
Speaker 2: is a very very bright god. I've never spoken to Frank,

1678
01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:00,360
Speaker 2: but I'm sure he's something similar. It's not that these

1679
01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 2: guys are dumb guys, I don't think so. But when

1680
01:19:02,920 --> 01:19:05,200
Speaker 2: you have major success like they've had. You've seen this

1681
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:08,120
Speaker 2: in Silicon Valley, guys who are able to start certain

1682
01:19:08,160 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 2: projects that work really well, then they want to start

1683
01:19:10,120 --> 01:19:13,160
Speaker 2: subsequent ones and they're all fucking disasters and none of

1684
01:19:13,160 --> 01:19:15,360
Speaker 2: them work. Sometimes you get guys who can leverage as

1685
01:19:15,439 --> 01:19:18,080
Speaker 2: VC investors, you know, subsequent projects, but you get a

1686
01:19:18,120 --> 01:19:19,760
Speaker 2: lot of them like they did this, then they can't

1687
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:22,519
Speaker 2: do anything else. It's very very common, and the reason

1688
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:26,959
Speaker 2: why is because these guys in general, not just the Fertidas,

1689
01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:29,240
Speaker 2: are white, but like we're talking to, say Silicon Valley.

1690
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:32,559
Speaker 2: They become convinced of the certainty of their own ideas. Right.

1691
01:19:32,600 --> 01:19:35,080
Speaker 2: If you have one big hit that really works, especially

1692
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:38,000
Speaker 2: when everyone else speaks out against it and they doesn't

1693
01:19:38,040 --> 01:19:40,840
Speaker 2: get it, you just know they're wrong. You've seen this before, right,

1694
01:19:40,880 --> 01:19:43,400
Speaker 2: That's what your mind is telling you, when in reality,

1695
01:19:43,640 --> 01:19:46,519
Speaker 2: the truth is most people, especially the ones who are

1696
01:19:46,520 --> 01:19:49,880
Speaker 2: successful like that, don't have multiple successful projects in their life.

1697
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:52,840
Speaker 2: It's just very for anyone, for you, for me, it's

1698
01:19:52,880 --> 01:19:55,720
Speaker 2: just very difficult to do BC. We should say it

1699
01:19:55,760 --> 01:19:57,920
Speaker 2: out loud. This is probably going to be our peak.

1700
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,680
Speaker 2: I mean I don't know that maybe, but like it

1701
01:20:00,680 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 2: wouldn't surprise me. Yeah, well, I'm just saying if it was,

1702
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:07,200
Speaker 2: it wouldn't surprise you. Life comes for you fast. And

1703
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:09,760
Speaker 2: so you get these guys in these executive roles. They

1704
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:12,559
Speaker 2: just are convinced they know how to do things right

1705
01:20:12,600 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 2: and no one else does by virtue of the massive

1706
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:17,720
Speaker 2: success that one big project really did for them. And again,

1707
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:19,919
Speaker 2: you can't take away what they did with UFC was amazing,

1708
01:20:20,200 --> 01:20:22,320
Speaker 2: how they resuscitated it and built it into what it is.

1709
01:20:22,600 --> 01:20:25,280
Speaker 2: But that doesn't mean they have competencies to go launch

1710
01:20:25,360 --> 01:20:28,640
Speaker 2: other things. It doesn't mean that at all, And the

1711
01:20:28,720 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 2: fact that these things are failing every time they try

1712
01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:32,080
Speaker 2: should tell you that.

1713
01:20:32,680 --> 01:20:36,440
Speaker 3: I just I just don't understand how somebody that successful

1714
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:40,200
Speaker 3: could push through so much hypocrisy, even just from a

1715
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:44,519
Speaker 3: business strategic sense, Like this thing actually went to TV,

1716
01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:49,360
Speaker 3: you know, this closely removed to a public slapping incident

1717
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:52,479
Speaker 3: of the guy's name on it like that, withstanding Luke,

1718
01:20:52,640 --> 01:20:54,920
Speaker 3: like they used the UFC to launch this, but even

1719
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:57,439
Speaker 3: in the UFC, which has to maintain a certain level

1720
01:20:57,439 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 3: of health standards to be to be absorbed by the mainstream,

1721
01:21:01,200 --> 01:21:03,160
Speaker 3: and they've done a great job of that. If you

1722
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 3: get knocked out and it's visible that you're knocked out, dude,

1723
01:21:05,960 --> 01:21:08,719
Speaker 3: you can't even in that sport, get back up. They're

1724
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:10,439
Speaker 3: gonna stop that fight if they felt like you've been

1725
01:21:10,479 --> 01:21:14,240
Speaker 3: knocked out. That's built into like this slab fight. Like,

1726
01:21:14,280 --> 01:21:16,960
Speaker 3: I don't see how you can be you know, talking

1727
01:21:16,960 --> 01:21:18,639
Speaker 3: out of both sides of the mouth at the same time.

1728
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:22,640
Speaker 3: It's it's not just hypocrisy, it's it's like it's just

1729
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:27,080
Speaker 3: showing of late that there's just a moral standard within

1730
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:29,800
Speaker 3: this business that is just not there.

1731
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:32,320
Speaker 2: And yeah, I.

1732
01:21:32,320 --> 01:21:34,080
Speaker 3: Don't know if I'm just too numb and used to

1733
01:21:34,160 --> 01:21:37,200
Speaker 3: it in boxing, but it's different though because of the

1734
01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:40,519
Speaker 3: way the structure is. But UFC of Late, which is

1735
01:21:40,560 --> 01:21:42,360
Speaker 3: one of you knows, been one of the joys of

1736
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:45,679
Speaker 3: my adult personal life, as you mentioned, along with boxing,

1737
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:49,360
Speaker 3: it feels fucking grimy lately, and I'm and I'm getting

1738
01:21:49,400 --> 01:21:51,559
Speaker 3: kind of sick of it, you know, because the product's great.

1739
01:21:51,920 --> 01:21:54,200
Speaker 3: The athletes for the most part, are great, and they

1740
01:21:54,200 --> 01:21:57,479
Speaker 3: inspire me on a regular basis, and I love their

1741
01:21:57,520 --> 01:21:59,960
Speaker 3: their life stories, which is a big part of my job.

1742
01:22:00,080 --> 01:22:02,280
Speaker 3: My one of my favorite things is writing pre fight

1743
01:22:02,600 --> 01:22:04,720
Speaker 3: you know, feature columns for CBS Sports. I have a

1744
01:22:04,760 --> 01:22:07,360
Speaker 3: big pay per view, especially when you've interviewed somebody and

1745
01:22:07,400 --> 01:22:10,680
Speaker 3: you're framing what this moment means to their life, not

1746
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:14,680
Speaker 3: just their career. Where we're going with this lately, it's

1747
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:17,200
Speaker 3: just like, damn, it's not like it's not about politics,

1748
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:20,000
Speaker 3: it's not about anything about decency. It's like, what is that?

1749
01:22:20,240 --> 01:22:22,760
Speaker 3: Like what happened? I like, you already know that they're

1750
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:26,880
Speaker 3: not that they're that they're agro dudes, but they they

1751
01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:30,200
Speaker 3: they built this thing that and they you know, sanitized

1752
01:22:30,240 --> 01:22:32,200
Speaker 3: it enough and they gave it to us and we

1753
01:22:32,320 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 3: loved it.

1754
01:22:33,800 --> 01:22:36,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean also, you know I was I said

1755
01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:37,960
Speaker 2: this on the morning radio show I did this morning.

1756
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:40,680
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, well, these guys don't take as much

1757
01:22:40,680 --> 01:22:42,599
Speaker 2: as boxers. First of all, we don't even know what

1758
01:22:42,640 --> 01:22:44,720
Speaker 2: the health effects are of just getting clubbed in the

1759
01:22:44,760 --> 01:22:47,519
Speaker 2: face with no defense over the course of a year

1760
01:22:47,680 --> 01:22:49,960
Speaker 2: or five years or ten years under this rule set.

1761
01:22:49,960 --> 01:22:52,280
Speaker 2: Please spare me that this is safer. You have no

1762
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:55,720
Speaker 2: fucking idea if that's true at all. In fact, I'm

1763
01:22:55,760 --> 01:23:00,479
Speaker 2: extremely skeptical of it. Number one, number two BC. For

1764
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:03,679
Speaker 2: all the issues in fighter pay, I'm gonna guess in UFC,

1765
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:05,880
Speaker 2: if you're good at this, you're gonna make a lot

1766
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:09,720
Speaker 2: more money than you are doing slap bullshit. Like it's like,

1767
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:12,160
Speaker 2: you really expect me to believe that the people who

1768
01:23:12,360 --> 01:23:15,080
Speaker 2: are under scrutiny for underpaying fighters, which by the way,

1769
01:23:15,120 --> 01:23:17,439
Speaker 2: still has done a little bit in that regard, is

1770
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:19,880
Speaker 2: going to then like handsomely reward these people and that

1771
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:22,320
Speaker 2: they're also going to get proper medical care. Like all

1772
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:24,960
Speaker 2: of this is like they're just taking a playbook that

1773
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:28,080
Speaker 2: they work with in one environment and then try to

1774
01:23:28,160 --> 01:23:30,439
Speaker 2: use it in another, but to your point, doing it

1775
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:33,920
Speaker 2: in a much more like nakedly questionable way and then

1776
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:36,840
Speaker 2: wondering why people aren't on board with it. It's a

1777
01:23:37,000 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 2: bad idea, it's bad execution. It should have never happened,

1778
01:23:41,320 --> 01:23:44,919
Speaker 2: and it looks like, because it's frankly boring, it probably

1779
01:23:44,960 --> 01:23:47,680
Speaker 2: won't last. That will be the final arbiter. It's just

1780
01:23:47,840 --> 01:23:50,439
Speaker 2: not good entertainment, at least in terms of what the

1781
01:23:50,520 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 2: vast majority of people seem to think.

1782
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:55,479
Speaker 3: I don't know, dude, I mean, you know, we're all

1783
01:23:55,600 --> 01:23:57,519
Speaker 3: adults at the end of the day, Luke, and even

1784
01:23:57,560 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 3: as a respectable responsibble, adults make questionable decisions. It's it's

1785
01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:06,320
Speaker 3: human life. But there's just been some absolute bullshit lately

1786
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:09,000
Speaker 3: that just wow. All right, moving on to the potential

1787
01:24:09,040 --> 01:24:13,160
Speaker 3: of actually some good news here topic five. How about

1788
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:17,320
Speaker 3: this when we reported the news that was Niowa in

1789
01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 3: away the pound for pound king, the undisputed bandamweight champion,

1790
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:25,080
Speaker 3: vacating all four titles to move up to one twenty two,

1791
01:24:25,800 --> 01:24:29,400
Speaker 3: our end of the rainbow goal if he was still

1792
01:24:29,400 --> 01:24:31,800
Speaker 3: in the division was to have Stephen Fulton Junior the

1793
01:24:31,880 --> 01:24:36,280
Speaker 3: unbeaten pound for pound level unified champion at what do

1794
01:24:36,320 --> 01:24:39,840
Speaker 3: we call in this uh super bandhamweight one twenty two

1795
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:44,639
Speaker 3: junior featherweight a fantastic division that if they could get

1796
01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:46,720
Speaker 3: together for some super fight down the road for all

1797
01:24:46,720 --> 01:24:48,720
Speaker 3: the belts, you know, we could be talking about legitimately

1798
01:24:48,760 --> 01:24:51,160
Speaker 3: fighting for the pound for pound number one crown potentially.

1799
01:24:52,080 --> 01:24:55,960
Speaker 3: Look that might happen this spring. Mike Coppinger of ESPN,

1800
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:59,320
Speaker 3: Keith Idec of Boxing Scene dot Com, and their own

1801
01:24:59,320 --> 01:25:01,919
Speaker 3: reports kind of I told the picture here. Nothing's official,

1802
01:25:02,320 --> 01:25:05,880
Speaker 3: but here's the report. Stephen Fulton and Iowa in Away

1803
01:25:05,960 --> 01:25:09,719
Speaker 3: have agreed on the key terms financially and have signed

1804
01:25:09,760 --> 01:25:12,080
Speaker 3: off on it to put a fight in order where

1805
01:25:12,080 --> 01:25:15,960
Speaker 3: Fulton would travel to Japan and defend his two titles

1806
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:18,120
Speaker 3: at one hundred and twenty two pounds in what in theory,

1807
01:25:18,120 --> 01:25:20,920
Speaker 3: would be his final fight in that division before moving

1808
01:25:21,000 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 3: up to featherweight. There's the assumption that it's going to

1809
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:27,320
Speaker 3: air on ESPN Plus. In a way, not only has

1810
01:25:27,640 --> 01:25:30,519
Speaker 3: a co promotion deal with Top Rank, but his Japanese promoter,

1811
01:25:30,800 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 3: mister Honda, is ultimately the signal caller here. We could

1812
01:25:34,840 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 3: end up seeing Fulton versus in a way in like

1813
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:40,519
Speaker 3: May or June on like a weekday morning, Luke, and

1814
01:25:40,600 --> 01:25:42,639
Speaker 3: this is on my wish list if there was nothing

1815
01:25:42,680 --> 01:25:43,960
Speaker 3: that could get in the way. And you said, BC,

1816
01:25:44,120 --> 01:25:45,920
Speaker 3: what boxing fights you want to see this year? It's

1817
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:48,200
Speaker 3: all the famous ones you like, plus the idea of

1818
01:25:48,479 --> 01:25:51,280
Speaker 3: Devin Haney versus Shakurs, Stevenson and you know better be

1819
01:25:51,320 --> 01:25:53,920
Speaker 3: even all those guys. But this one right here is

1820
01:25:54,040 --> 01:25:56,320
Speaker 3: like holy shit, and we're going to potentially see it

1821
01:25:56,400 --> 01:25:59,240
Speaker 3: right now if this report is accurate, Luke, And it

1822
01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:03,800
Speaker 3: seems like it was more about Fulton just saying I

1823
01:26:03,880 --> 01:26:06,360
Speaker 3: want to be great. I want to find out right now. Oh,

1824
01:26:06,360 --> 01:26:08,120
Speaker 3: the best fighter in the world is now in my

1825
01:26:08,160 --> 01:26:12,040
Speaker 3: weight class. Oh and he fights for another network and promoter.

1826
01:26:12,200 --> 01:26:16,080
Speaker 3: And on the other side of the globe, I'm in Scooter,

1827
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:18,519
Speaker 3: cool boy, steph whatever we want to call you.

1828
01:26:18,600 --> 01:26:18,760
Speaker 2: Bro.

1829
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:23,360
Speaker 3: That's d two BG stuff, daring to be great. And

1830
01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:25,920
Speaker 3: I think he deserves the same praise that we give

1831
01:26:26,120 --> 01:26:29,040
Speaker 3: Ryan Garcia for making it happen behind the scenes to

1832
01:26:29,080 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 3: be able to fight Tank Davis on Showtime pay per view.

1833
01:26:31,960 --> 01:26:34,840
Speaker 3: I say the same thing about Stephen Fulton here, Luke, Wow,

1834
01:26:35,000 --> 01:26:38,040
Speaker 3: is this could this be a special fight this calendar year?

1835
01:26:38,400 --> 01:26:41,000
Speaker 2: This is I mean, we were hoping to get Fulton

1836
01:26:41,080 --> 01:26:45,040
Speaker 2: Junior versus Murra John Akmadaliev, who is not necessarily a

1837
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:48,320
Speaker 2: big name, but quite the hammer, right. But either way,

1838
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:51,760
Speaker 2: Fulton's either number two or number one in that weight

1839
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:53,880
Speaker 2: class at one twenty two. So let me see if

1840
01:26:53,880 --> 01:26:56,280
Speaker 2: I understand this. The guy who had unified at one

1841
01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:59,120
Speaker 2: eighteen in a way, who we've been talking about him

1842
01:26:59,120 --> 01:27:00,720
Speaker 2: on the show for a while. BC hit me to

1843
01:27:00,800 --> 01:27:01,559
Speaker 2: him a long time ago.

1844
01:27:01,720 --> 01:27:03,519
Speaker 3: He's already a three division champion by the way.

1845
01:27:03,479 --> 01:27:05,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, already a three division champion. Was unified a one

1846
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:07,760
Speaker 2: eight team drop the titles moves to one twenty two

1847
01:27:07,800 --> 01:27:10,920
Speaker 2: and his first fight, which is gonna be on ESPN

1848
01:27:10,960 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 2: Plus now it's gonna be in Japan. He's gonna be

1849
01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 2: taken on Stephen Fulton Junior, the slickster, the guy who

1850
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:20,920
Speaker 2: can seemingly do everything out of Philly undefeated, I mean,

1851
01:27:20,960 --> 01:27:23,840
Speaker 2: two weight or two division or two belt holder in

1852
01:27:24,160 --> 01:27:27,040
Speaker 2: in one twenty two. You just gotta be kidding me, like,

1853
01:27:27,120 --> 01:27:29,479
Speaker 2: and it came together easily, you know, for all the

1854
01:27:29,479 --> 01:27:30,960
Speaker 2: folks being like, well, we don't get the fights we

1855
01:27:31,000 --> 01:27:32,920
Speaker 2: want in boxing. It's not an unfair argument, like we

1856
01:27:32,920 --> 01:27:35,960
Speaker 2: were already listen, Spence Crawford was supposed to happen in

1857
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:38,200
Speaker 2: November and it didn't. And we are maybe are gonna

1858
01:27:38,200 --> 01:27:41,000
Speaker 2: get Garcia versus Tank Davis and on April. But you know,

1859
01:27:41,120 --> 01:27:43,400
Speaker 2: God only knows, right, it seems that who the hell knows.

1860
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:45,800
Speaker 3: Maybe we'll get Fury you sic. It should happen, right, ma.

1861
01:27:45,880 --> 01:27:47,479
Speaker 2: It could happen. But like a lot of this is

1862
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:49,760
Speaker 2: like it didn't happen or could happen, you know, should have,

1863
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 2: could have? Would These two guys said fuck it, let's go.

1864
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:56,439
Speaker 2: His first fight at one twenty two is arguably against

1865
01:27:56,479 --> 01:27:58,479
Speaker 2: the very best guy in that division. Who By the way,

1866
01:27:58,520 --> 01:28:01,599
Speaker 2: if you've not watched Fulton Junior, he's amazing. He can

1867
01:28:01,640 --> 01:28:04,479
Speaker 2: do everything. He's fast, he can jab, he can move,

1868
01:28:04,760 --> 01:28:07,320
Speaker 2: he's got good defense, he can he can lead, he

1869
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:10,519
Speaker 2: can push, he can retreat, got great ring craft. I mean,

1870
01:28:10,560 --> 01:28:14,080
Speaker 2: he's just a very good fighter. Doesn't have huge power necessarily,

1871
01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:17,120
Speaker 2: but he's really talented. Daniel Roman's a good fighter, and

1872
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:20,200
Speaker 2: Daniel Ramon had nothing for him. It was a blank

1873
01:28:20,280 --> 01:28:22,160
Speaker 2: sheet he had out there. And then again the fight

1874
01:28:22,200 --> 01:28:24,599
Speaker 2: against Figarola was a potential Fighter of the Year contender,

1875
01:28:24,840 --> 01:28:27,679
Speaker 2: and he's gonna fight in a way in his first one. Dude, Jude,

1876
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:30,000
Speaker 2: this is what you want out of boxers. You want

1877
01:28:30,040 --> 01:28:33,400
Speaker 2: boxers willing when they're done with their contemporaries to keep

1878
01:28:33,680 --> 01:28:36,599
Speaker 2: moving up to more difficult challenges. I'd spoken to Fulton Junior.

1879
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:38,240
Speaker 2: He's like, I always want to smoke, and you know

1880
01:28:38,520 --> 01:28:40,760
Speaker 2: fighters say that, and then especially boxers say that. You're

1881
01:28:40,800 --> 01:28:42,360
Speaker 2: kind of like, yeah, right, like when the time comes,

1882
01:28:42,520 --> 01:28:44,639
Speaker 2: we'll see. Well, the time came in, he did it.

1883
01:28:45,000 --> 01:28:47,800
Speaker 2: He did it. Now, BC, this is my question to you.

1884
01:28:48,960 --> 01:28:52,800
Speaker 2: PBC has rights under Fulton, So how did this fight

1885
01:28:52,920 --> 01:28:55,000
Speaker 2: get made? If one guy's on one side of the

1886
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:57,040
Speaker 2: promotional track and one guy's on the other in a

1887
01:28:57,080 --> 01:28:58,720
Speaker 2: ways with top rank and it's going to be in

1888
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 2: Japan and it's gonna be in the ESPN Plus, Fulton

1889
01:29:01,320 --> 01:29:04,720
Speaker 2: Junior has been fighting on showtime PBC cards. Whatever, how

1890
01:29:04,720 --> 01:29:06,080
Speaker 2: did this? How does this work?

1891
01:29:06,120 --> 01:29:08,400
Speaker 3: Well? To reiterate what I said earlier, it's it's been

1892
01:29:08,439 --> 01:29:10,920
Speaker 3: reported that it's expected to be on ESPN Plus, but

1893
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:13,200
Speaker 3: we don't have a date yet or or you know,

1894
01:29:13,280 --> 01:29:15,840
Speaker 3: it's probably in May. But obviously the key parts which

1895
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:18,719
Speaker 3: you're asking me, According to the reports from Coppinger and Idec.

1896
01:29:19,760 --> 01:29:21,720
Speaker 3: They've been through the war they got you know, so

1897
01:29:22,160 --> 01:29:24,160
Speaker 3: I don't know, Luke, I don't know. This is a

1898
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:27,559
Speaker 3: great move for boxing. This continues an interesting new trend

1899
01:29:27,560 --> 01:29:30,280
Speaker 3: here of maybe getting things we didn't think we were

1900
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:32,320
Speaker 3: possible that we could. And does that involve a fighter

1901
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:34,679
Speaker 3: going back to his team and pushing to make it happen,

1902
01:29:35,479 --> 01:29:37,439
Speaker 3: you know, if this was Al Hayman making that happen

1903
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:40,120
Speaker 3: for a fighter who you know, campaigned for it, because

1904
01:29:40,160 --> 01:29:42,000
Speaker 3: look what we found out that the reporting of both

1905
01:29:42,040 --> 01:29:45,720
Speaker 3: guys is that Fulton was already intending to move up

1906
01:29:45,720 --> 01:29:48,360
Speaker 3: to one twenty six, have a rematch with Brandon Figureoa

1907
01:29:48,439 --> 01:29:50,080
Speaker 3: the fight of the Year a couple of years back,

1908
01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:53,400
Speaker 3: and do it this early this, you know, early spring,

1909
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:57,639
Speaker 3: and now this came together. I don't have the details.

1910
01:29:57,640 --> 01:29:59,720
Speaker 3: The report had very you know, was sourced out as

1911
01:29:59,720 --> 01:30:01,880
Speaker 3: a So we're going to see if this all comes

1912
01:30:01,880 --> 01:30:04,439
Speaker 3: to light and this ultimately gets announced. But however, the

1913
01:30:04,479 --> 01:30:08,680
Speaker 3: sausage was made. Dude, this is a win for boxing

1914
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:11,439
Speaker 3: and for I think this future trend that I'm starting

1915
01:30:11,479 --> 01:30:13,360
Speaker 3: to talk about in different interviews and people have me

1916
01:30:13,400 --> 01:30:17,320
Speaker 3: on the American boxers of this new era. They want

1917
01:30:17,320 --> 01:30:20,160
Speaker 3: the smoke, and they want it right now. They don't

1918
01:30:20,200 --> 01:30:22,360
Speaker 3: want to spend all that long time.

1919
01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:22,800
Speaker 2: You know.

1920
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:24,879
Speaker 3: They want to become champion and they'll defend, but they're

1921
01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:27,479
Speaker 3: not willing to just go the path of the slow

1922
01:30:27,600 --> 01:30:29,879
Speaker 3: grind to the big fight at the end of the rainbow.

1923
01:30:30,880 --> 01:30:34,200
Speaker 3: This generation wants it right now and that's going to

1924
01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:37,840
Speaker 3: do wonders collectively for the sport. And look, the part

1925
01:30:37,840 --> 01:30:39,639
Speaker 3: of that report, by the way, was that Figueroa could

1926
01:30:39,720 --> 01:30:43,080
Speaker 3: end up facing Mark Monk Sile, the former featherweight champion.

1927
01:30:43,120 --> 01:30:45,800
Speaker 3: So if that ends up getting announced as a consolation, dude,

1928
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:47,920
Speaker 3: that's a fight of the year fight waiting to happen

1929
01:30:48,040 --> 01:30:51,679
Speaker 3: right there. Fulton in a way could could I mean, dude,

1930
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:54,479
Speaker 3: imagine if Fulton beat him in a way where like

1931
01:30:54,560 --> 01:30:57,519
Speaker 3: the weight wasn't the enduring difference. Like let's just say

1932
01:30:57,520 --> 01:30:59,559
Speaker 3: he's the better fighter and he beat him, you would

1933
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:01,519
Speaker 3: have to ask yourself what you're gonna do with in

1934
01:31:01,600 --> 01:31:03,160
Speaker 3: pound for pound he might be number.

1935
01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:04,920
Speaker 2: One, you know what I mean? Like it, it might be.

1936
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:07,800
Speaker 3: A transfer of power right there in front of your eyes.

1937
01:31:08,120 --> 01:31:10,680
Speaker 3: There's no bigger stakes than that. That's it. That's what

1938
01:31:10,960 --> 01:31:13,160
Speaker 3: at the end of the day outside of the money,

1939
01:31:13,320 --> 01:31:14,840
Speaker 3: and Floyd's the rare guy who was able to do

1940
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:17,000
Speaker 3: both right. He was able to win on both sides.

1941
01:31:17,680 --> 01:31:20,040
Speaker 3: But there's no bigger stake in the game than to

1942
01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:23,240
Speaker 3: fight the person that the sport believes is the best

1943
01:31:23,439 --> 01:31:27,040
Speaker 3: in show at the moment and defeat them to let

1944
01:31:27,120 --> 01:31:29,120
Speaker 3: the world know there's a new sheriff in town. There

1945
01:31:29,120 --> 01:31:30,760
Speaker 3: are a lot of people competing for this pound for

1946
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:33,479
Speaker 3: pound thrown, and if Spence and Crawford do fight, the

1947
01:31:33,520 --> 01:31:35,840
Speaker 3: winner could have a say, just the same as could

1948
01:31:35,880 --> 01:31:38,280
Speaker 3: the winner of Fury and who's sick as could Canelo

1949
01:31:38,360 --> 01:31:40,479
Speaker 3: on any given day, should he challenge himself and beat

1950
01:31:40,479 --> 01:31:43,720
Speaker 3: Feba again? Wow, you hear what we're talking about. We're

1951
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:48,639
Speaker 3: talking about active, ambitious stars in their prime who want

1952
01:31:48,640 --> 01:31:51,680
Speaker 3: to dance. And maybe we do it on your network here,

1953
01:31:51,760 --> 01:31:54,559
Speaker 3: maybe we do it again on my network. It's something's

1954
01:31:54,600 --> 01:31:58,280
Speaker 3: happening here and I don't know what it is, right.

1955
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:01,960
Speaker 2: I'll just say this, John, The boxing system doesn't have

1956
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:05,599
Speaker 2: a great way to force matchups short of its mandatory system,

1957
01:32:05,600 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 2: which by itself is not great but sometimes does work

1958
01:32:08,000 --> 01:32:11,000
Speaker 2: pretty well. You know, you go back to Lopez and

1959
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:14,280
Speaker 2: cambosis would be a good example where it actually worked.

1960
01:32:14,880 --> 01:32:17,800
Speaker 2: But in general, what it needs for big fights to

1961
01:32:17,800 --> 01:32:19,840
Speaker 2: happen like this is for the fighters to want it.

1962
01:32:19,880 --> 01:32:21,800
Speaker 2: They have to want it at the end of the day,

1963
01:32:22,240 --> 01:32:24,559
Speaker 2: they have to want it, and they do, and there's

1964
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:27,360
Speaker 2: no question about it. The speed with which this fight

1965
01:32:27,400 --> 01:32:29,920
Speaker 2: has been made me see, has been shocking, and it

1966
01:32:30,080 --> 01:32:32,280
Speaker 2: just goes to show you if the fighters want it,

1967
01:32:32,800 --> 01:32:36,559
Speaker 2: anything is possible. Truly, anything is possible. And so when

1968
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:39,959
Speaker 2: the fighters do something like this, we should be very grateful,

1969
01:32:40,320 --> 01:32:44,920
Speaker 2: very acknowledging, and thank them because if it's not for

1970
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:48,120
Speaker 2: their moxie, if it's not for their minerals, it just

1971
01:32:48,120 --> 01:32:48,800
Speaker 2: wouldn't happen.

1972
01:32:49,240 --> 01:32:52,680
Speaker 3: You know what we should do, take every promoter and

1973
01:32:52,840 --> 01:32:56,080
Speaker 3: network executive in boxing, send them to like a get

1974
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:58,000
Speaker 3: away you know, on a remote island to get away

1975
01:32:58,040 --> 01:33:01,880
Speaker 3: retreat Luke where there's just you know, edibles in ayahuasca

1976
01:33:02,200 --> 01:33:04,640
Speaker 3: and the greatest fights in boxing history just playing on

1977
01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:07,640
Speaker 3: a loop on TVs all over the yoga room in

1978
01:33:07,640 --> 01:33:09,760
Speaker 3: front of them, and you know, maybe we're Shad's there

1979
01:33:09,800 --> 01:33:12,519
Speaker 3: with some toads and then you know they come out

1980
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:15,719
Speaker 3: of there going, let's all work together for the betterment

1981
01:33:15,760 --> 01:33:17,960
Speaker 3: of the sport because at the end of the day,

1982
01:33:18,520 --> 01:33:23,400
Speaker 3: boxing was always boxing, meaning boxing is always great. I

1983
01:33:23,439 --> 01:33:24,920
Speaker 3: know that's a controversial statement.

1984
01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:26,759
Speaker 2: No, it's a right, it's a true statement.

1985
01:33:27,520 --> 01:33:32,360
Speaker 3: Okay, it's not always great, but it's never it's always

1986
01:33:32,720 --> 01:33:35,439
Speaker 3: just a just a quick couple things from happening, from

1987
01:33:35,479 --> 01:33:38,559
Speaker 3: being like fucking great. It's always you know what I mean,

1988
01:33:38,640 --> 01:33:42,160
Speaker 3: Like it cleans up quickly and uh and you're like, oh,

1989
01:33:42,200 --> 01:33:44,880
Speaker 3: that's that guy's marriage material Suddenly. Oh he's not going

1990
01:33:44,960 --> 01:33:47,080
Speaker 3: to be again next year, but right now, you know,

1991
01:33:47,200 --> 01:33:50,120
Speaker 3: right now he is, So savor the flavor when boxing

1992
01:33:50,160 --> 01:33:53,559
Speaker 3: cleans up. Luke, it is what a time to be alive. Bro.

1993
01:33:53,640 --> 01:33:56,000
Speaker 3: It's like that that long term investment you did in

1994
01:33:56,000 --> 01:33:58,960
Speaker 3: that shitty property, but then that town became a resort,

1995
01:33:59,080 --> 01:34:01,479
Speaker 3: you know, tourist, and you were able to sell it.

1996
01:34:01,520 --> 01:34:03,160
Speaker 3: Like your house, Luke, one day you're gonna sell your

1997
01:34:03,160 --> 01:34:05,479
Speaker 3: house in DC and you're probably you probably quit MK

1998
01:34:05,520 --> 01:34:06,479
Speaker 3: because you'll be loaded.

1999
01:34:06,800 --> 01:34:08,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, my house is not great, but the

2000
01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:11,599
Speaker 2: real estate price is turning into a very valuable piece

2001
01:34:11,600 --> 01:34:12,960
Speaker 2: of real estate. So we'll see you can.

2002
01:34:12,880 --> 01:34:14,479
Speaker 3: Get a mansion in Orlando next to that.

2003
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:17,880
Speaker 2: I could get it. I could, I could house you know,

2004
01:34:18,120 --> 01:34:20,400
Speaker 2: South American leaders on the run at my place. If

2005
01:34:20,400 --> 01:34:21,800
Speaker 2: that happen, we go, Luke.

2006
01:34:21,840 --> 01:34:24,320
Speaker 3: We have a great partner in what we do. They're

2007
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:27,040
Speaker 3: called Money Lion, and they got this thing called the

2008
01:34:27,080 --> 01:34:30,040
Speaker 3: Hammer of the Month. Or they put our viewers on notice.

2009
01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:32,120
Speaker 3: We got We know you guys love combat sports. You

2010
01:34:32,160 --> 01:34:34,840
Speaker 3: watch Big Time Boxing, Bare and Knuckle MMA all that

2011
01:34:34,840 --> 01:34:36,960
Speaker 3: stuff along with us. And I know when you're watching,

2012
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:40,320
Speaker 3: somebody just jumps through your screen and makes you go man.

2013
01:34:40,360 --> 01:34:45,439
Speaker 3: Hashtag Holy hammer, right, hashtag Hammer of the Month. Who

2014
01:34:45,479 --> 01:34:47,920
Speaker 3: on the undercards or early in the main cards are

2015
01:34:48,000 --> 01:34:50,920
Speaker 3: coming the hell on? You've let us know. We've got

2016
01:34:50,920 --> 01:34:54,640
Speaker 3: Aaron Blanchfield holding the hammer soon under the if the

2017
01:34:54,680 --> 01:34:57,519
Speaker 3: mail system goes through, Luke, Ilia Taporia gonna put his

2018
01:34:57,600 --> 01:35:00,600
Speaker 3: hands around that. Who is it this month? Fluke? There

2019
01:35:00,640 --> 01:35:03,760
Speaker 3: were some great nominees on last week's UFC Fight Night

2020
01:35:03,840 --> 01:35:06,920
Speaker 3: card and at two eighty three this weekend. There are

2021
01:35:07,000 --> 01:35:11,280
Speaker 3: no shortage of opportunities for other people to enter this conversation.

2022
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:15,160
Speaker 3: Uh at Money Lion on Twitter, at money Lion Inc.

2023
01:35:15,240 --> 01:35:18,639
Speaker 3: On Instagram with use the hashtag let your vote be heard,

2024
01:35:18,720 --> 01:35:20,479
Speaker 3: or you can scan the QR code at bottom of

2025
01:35:20,479 --> 01:35:23,479
Speaker 3: the screen, or go to moneyline dot com slash Morning

2026
01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:26,320
Speaker 3: Combat for more information. Luke, when you look at the

2027
01:35:26,360 --> 01:35:29,960
Speaker 3: two eighty three card as we begin this healthy transition

2028
01:35:30,439 --> 01:35:34,040
Speaker 3: into our betting segment where we give you our final picks, here, baby,

2029
01:35:35,240 --> 01:35:37,080
Speaker 3: if you see any hammers that are that might that

2030
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:37,800
Speaker 3: might be coming on.

2031
01:35:38,240 --> 01:35:40,839
Speaker 2: Man, there's a lot of different ways this could go. Obviously,

2032
01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:42,599
Speaker 2: your main event would be a candidate. If it wasn't

2033
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:44,760
Speaker 2: the main event, I'm just saying the matchup would produce it.

2034
01:35:45,080 --> 01:35:48,320
Speaker 2: The bomb Fiend Brothers are interesting and worth paying attention to.

2035
01:35:48,400 --> 01:35:52,439
Speaker 2: Terrence McKinney is worth paying attention to. Yeah, there's a

2036
01:35:52,439 --> 01:35:54,000
Speaker 2: lot of different ways you could go on this one.

2037
01:35:54,200 --> 01:35:56,880
Speaker 2: I I'm you know, would you count Gilbert Burns and

2038
01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:59,120
Speaker 2: Neil MAGNI Probably not right, it's a little too advanced.

2039
01:35:59,320 --> 01:36:01,080
Speaker 3: No, Gilbert Burns has a new haircut. He let the

2040
01:36:01,080 --> 01:36:04,360
Speaker 3: curly hair grow out. Saw I saw, and he and

2041
01:36:04,400 --> 01:36:07,479
Speaker 3: he's just as like he's just as much about that

2042
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:10,439
Speaker 3: life as he's always been, Luke. He's he may drop

2043
01:36:10,439 --> 01:36:12,720
Speaker 3: a hammer on Saturday night, okay, But in.

2044
01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:14,120
Speaker 2: Any case, like you just look up and down that

2045
01:36:14,200 --> 01:36:19,040
Speaker 2: card and it's just filled filled with potential, great possible

2046
01:36:19,080 --> 01:36:19,880
Speaker 2: hammers of the month.

2047
01:36:20,760 --> 01:36:23,719
Speaker 3: You're damn right, So once again QR code in the corner.

2048
01:36:23,800 --> 01:36:25,639
Speaker 3: Thank you to money Lion. If you're watching you see

2049
01:36:25,680 --> 01:36:28,280
Speaker 3: something at money Line on Twitter, at money Lion Inc.

2050
01:36:28,360 --> 01:36:30,320
Speaker 3: On Instagram. If you see something in this game, you

2051
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:33,719
Speaker 3: better you better recognize and say something. Luke, it's time

2052
01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:36,840
Speaker 3: for our growing segment, week two of it. It now

2053
01:36:36,960 --> 01:36:38,800
Speaker 3: has a name, Luke. Do you want to set this up?

2054
01:36:38,840 --> 01:36:39,720
Speaker 3: You want to launch to it?

2055
01:36:39,960 --> 01:36:42,559
Speaker 2: Yeah? So last week we just we launched a betting segment,

2056
01:36:43,000 --> 01:36:44,519
Speaker 2: or at least a pick segment. I should say you

2057
01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:47,080
Speaker 2: can bet, I mean bet accordingly, you know, be careful

2058
01:36:47,120 --> 01:36:49,440
Speaker 2: with this, but just to take it a record.

2059
01:36:49,280 --> 01:36:51,600
Speaker 3: Don't get caught by the UFC, please, Okay.

2060
01:36:51,479 --> 01:36:54,240
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, Uh, you know, more and more just for fun.

2061
01:36:54,280 --> 01:36:55,920
Speaker 2: I hope folks understand it. But we want to do it,

2062
01:36:55,920 --> 01:36:57,599
Speaker 2: you know, go ahead to head. We did one last week,

2063
01:36:57,600 --> 01:36:59,360
Speaker 2: we're gonna do or whatever it was, and we're going

2064
01:36:59,439 --> 01:37:02,120
Speaker 2: to do one week. Are we gonna go over the

2065
01:37:02,120 --> 01:37:03,320
Speaker 2: results of the last one.

2066
01:37:03,360 --> 01:37:04,960
Speaker 3: First, I just wanted you to say the name.

2067
01:37:05,640 --> 01:37:08,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, the name is okay bet, which is you know

2068
01:37:09,120 --> 01:37:11,200
Speaker 2: someone of my friends say that, So that's the name

2069
01:37:11,240 --> 01:37:12,840
Speaker 2: of the new segment I offer it.

2070
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:16,400
Speaker 3: I did offer the Crows inspired parlays and Punani and

2071
01:37:16,400 --> 01:37:17,400
Speaker 3: it got shot down.

2072
01:37:17,640 --> 01:37:20,120
Speaker 2: It did it? Did? I? Also? I also offered the

2073
01:37:20,200 --> 01:37:23,920
Speaker 2: bet off and uh, the producers were like, we can't

2074
01:37:23,920 --> 01:37:26,760
Speaker 2: probably sell ads against that, so we have to get

2075
01:37:26,760 --> 01:37:28,960
Speaker 2: a different one. But okay, bet is the new one,

2076
01:37:29,000 --> 01:37:30,840
Speaker 2: which means all right, let's do it. All right, I'll

2077
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:31,160
Speaker 2: do it.

2078
01:37:31,600 --> 01:37:34,559
Speaker 3: So here's the premise. Five picks from each of us.

2079
01:37:34,920 --> 01:37:36,720
Speaker 3: We're gonna pick who wins the main event of the

2080
01:37:36,760 --> 01:37:39,280
Speaker 3: biggest card that weekend. We each get to pick a

2081
01:37:39,439 --> 01:37:43,519
Speaker 3: favorite to win that is within a certain respectable betting threshold,

2082
01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:47,559
Speaker 3: any underdog to win and over under, and pick a

2083
01:37:47,600 --> 01:37:50,000
Speaker 3: specific fight in which direction it goes in terms of

2084
01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:52,439
Speaker 3: going the distance or not, and then whether a fight

2085
01:37:52,479 --> 01:37:55,800
Speaker 3: will end in ko or submission, and which one will

2086
01:37:55,840 --> 01:37:56,120
Speaker 3: it be?

2087
01:37:56,240 --> 01:37:56,439
Speaker 2: Luke.

2088
01:37:56,479 --> 01:38:00,240
Speaker 3: In week one, you took me to the woodshed. Our

2089
01:38:00,280 --> 01:38:02,640
Speaker 3: fight got canceled there at the last minute on our

2090
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:06,680
Speaker 3: over underpick after the way, and so that was a push.

2091
01:38:06,840 --> 01:38:10,040
Speaker 3: But your boy BC went zero for four as Sean

2092
01:38:10,080 --> 01:38:13,679
Speaker 3: Strickland took out emov Off. We both had na sardine.

2093
01:38:13,720 --> 01:38:16,160
Speaker 3: We both come up empty there. But after that, Luke Thomas,

2094
01:38:16,520 --> 01:38:19,120
Speaker 3: uh you get the opportunity to gloat. We went head

2095
01:38:19,160 --> 01:38:22,240
Speaker 3: to head and away with Pennington versus Vietna, and uh

2096
01:38:22,280 --> 01:38:24,519
Speaker 3: you handled me there. So shout out to Team Tiny

2097
01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:27,120
Speaker 3: Tornado and the addition to new edition of the family.

2098
01:38:27,160 --> 01:38:30,599
Speaker 3: But damn, Luke, you uh you hate doing this. It

2099
01:38:30,640 --> 01:38:32,120
Speaker 3: was like that time we had that free throw contest,

2100
01:38:32,160 --> 01:38:33,040
Speaker 3: remember that we filmed it.

2101
01:38:33,560 --> 01:38:35,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't want to do it and then I won.

2102
01:38:36,200 --> 01:38:38,320
Speaker 2: So what are you gonna do? Uh? Here, this here's

2103
01:38:38,320 --> 01:38:39,800
Speaker 2: the thing. You see. I would like to gloat and

2104
01:38:39,880 --> 01:38:42,920
Speaker 2: dunk on you, and I probably should because when the

2105
01:38:43,040 --> 01:38:45,760
Speaker 2: roles are reversed, you're I just know you're not going

2106
01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:47,840
Speaker 2: to be the bigger man and you're going to dunk

2107
01:38:47,880 --> 01:38:49,120
Speaker 2: on me because you're a piece of shit.

2108
01:38:49,760 --> 01:38:53,479
Speaker 3: So so I'm a big Campbell again is this?

2109
01:38:53,520 --> 01:38:56,160
Speaker 2: We're absolutely be a ship head to me. But here's

2110
01:38:56,200 --> 01:38:58,160
Speaker 2: the reality. I just have to be honest with myself. Yeah,

2111
01:38:58,160 --> 01:38:59,720
Speaker 2: it went better for me last week than it did

2112
01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:03,320
Speaker 2: for you, But I just know I'm having done this

2113
01:39:03,400 --> 01:39:05,519
Speaker 2: long enough. I'm gonna have a week where I go

2114
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:08,479
Speaker 2: over four, over five whatever, I'm gonna fuck it up.

2115
01:39:08,520 --> 01:39:10,800
Speaker 2: So nice start, but it ain't gonna last.

2116
01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:13,040
Speaker 3: And we have tried to put in some safeguards to

2117
01:39:13,200 --> 01:39:16,679
Speaker 3: prevent any duplicate picks outside of number one. The main event,

2118
01:39:16,840 --> 01:39:19,840
Speaker 3: the most important fight, so the whoever is in the

2119
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:22,479
Speaker 3: lead at the time will get first rejection. Didn't We

2120
01:39:22,479 --> 01:39:24,800
Speaker 3: didn't pick anything similar here, Luke, except for potentially the

2121
01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:26,719
Speaker 3: main event. Will see where we went in that direction.

2122
01:39:27,080 --> 01:39:28,680
Speaker 3: But if you want to know the stakes, we are

2123
01:39:28,720 --> 01:39:30,680
Speaker 3: gonna have to do something embarrassing if we lose by

2124
01:39:30,680 --> 01:39:32,880
Speaker 3: the end of this calendar year. I believe the working

2125
01:39:32,960 --> 01:39:35,439
Speaker 3: idea is I make you go to a concert of

2126
01:39:35,439 --> 01:39:37,920
Speaker 3: my choice with me, or you do the opposite, and

2127
01:39:38,040 --> 01:39:40,880
Speaker 3: we film it with Jake and the MK doc crew.

2128
01:39:41,200 --> 01:39:42,840
Speaker 3: Maybe we go backstage with the band, Luke.

2129
01:39:43,560 --> 01:39:45,360
Speaker 2: Maybe we pushed the show forward so that I can

2130
01:39:45,400 --> 01:39:46,920
Speaker 2: do my CBS Sports HQ hit.

2131
01:39:48,080 --> 01:39:50,559
Speaker 3: That's great, it's great stuff, all right, This week's okay,

2132
01:39:50,600 --> 01:39:54,080
Speaker 3: bet Luke. I'm assuming we're largely focusing on UFC two

2133
01:39:54,120 --> 01:39:57,680
Speaker 3: eighty three on Saturday, but I'm sure anything's eligible if

2134
01:39:57,720 --> 01:40:01,240
Speaker 3: it's prominent enough. We start with the the main event pick,

2135
01:40:01,800 --> 01:40:04,120
Speaker 3: and we start with UFC two eighty three and the

2136
01:40:04,160 --> 01:40:07,000
Speaker 3: light heavyweight title. It's vacant Glover to share of the

2137
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:11,240
Speaker 3: former champ, Jamal Hill, red hot with three straight knockout

2138
01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:14,519
Speaker 3: victories he got it was an advantageous position, of course

2139
01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:17,480
Speaker 3: for the number seven Hill. It took a Yan Blohovich

2140
01:40:17,560 --> 01:40:21,360
Speaker 3: ma ankliev Tye draw to get to this point. Luke

2141
01:40:21,680 --> 01:40:24,720
Speaker 3: the upset feelings afterwards, but no matter what you think

2142
01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:28,120
Speaker 3: about this fight, they're gonna bang, Luke Thomas. Who's your

2143
01:40:28,200 --> 01:40:30,639
Speaker 3: pick for who wins this main event? And why?

2144
01:40:31,160 --> 01:40:33,599
Speaker 2: I've actually not seen the odds. I had them up earlier.

2145
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:35,000
Speaker 2: I don't know where they are, but I'm gonna go

2146
01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:38,040
Speaker 2: with Glover. I'm gonna take Glover because I mean, we

2147
01:40:38,160 --> 01:40:40,280
Speaker 2: kind of all know the score here right. Hill has

2148
01:40:40,320 --> 01:40:44,519
Speaker 2: got fast hands, great accuracy. He has dropped any number

2149
01:40:44,520 --> 01:40:46,360
Speaker 2: of opponents on a great win streak. But he's got

2150
01:40:46,360 --> 01:40:50,559
Speaker 2: a massive, massive, I would say, problem with his takedown defense.

2151
01:40:50,560 --> 01:40:52,639
Speaker 2: The numbers in terms of the overall percentage don't speak

2152
01:40:52,680 --> 01:40:56,519
Speaker 2: to it. But I had this piece up from our man,

2153
01:40:56,920 --> 01:40:58,519
Speaker 2: our guy Dick Mann. I don't know what I did

2154
01:40:58,520 --> 01:41:01,280
Speaker 2: with it. I have to find it. But he had

2155
01:41:01,320 --> 01:41:03,840
Speaker 2: pointed out that there is just a gaping hole in

2156
01:41:03,880 --> 01:41:07,000
Speaker 2: his takedown defence, and that even the guy like Tiago

2157
01:41:07,000 --> 01:41:09,400
Speaker 2: Santos was able to get him down pretty repeatedly. In fact,

2158
01:41:09,800 --> 01:41:12,760
Speaker 2: I think in terms of per fifteen minutes how many

2159
01:41:12,760 --> 01:41:15,400
Speaker 2: takedowns he surrenders, which I think is plus three, so

2160
01:41:15,520 --> 01:41:19,120
Speaker 2: more than more than a takedown around. That's one of

2161
01:41:19,160 --> 01:41:22,880
Speaker 2: the worst for a ranked fighter. So you know, if Glover,

2162
01:41:22,960 --> 01:41:25,559
Speaker 2: who has good takedowns and good guard passing and good

2163
01:41:25,560 --> 01:41:27,920
Speaker 2: ground to pound and good jiu jitsu, I have a

2164
01:41:27,920 --> 01:41:29,960
Speaker 2: feeling if he's able to get that takedown, Hill ain't

2165
01:41:30,000 --> 01:41:32,880
Speaker 2: gonna get up. But of course Hill could kom so

2166
01:41:32,960 --> 01:41:34,920
Speaker 2: it's close. You know, I wouldn't really bet if I

2167
01:41:34,960 --> 01:41:37,280
Speaker 2: didn't have to, but I'll pick Glover in this case.

2168
01:41:37,520 --> 01:41:40,280
Speaker 3: I love picking this fight because there's so many ways

2169
01:41:40,320 --> 01:41:42,840
Speaker 3: it could go. It could be explosive, He'll could get

2170
01:41:42,840 --> 01:41:45,200
Speaker 3: completely gassed down and dominated on the ground and submitted.

2171
01:41:46,280 --> 01:41:48,280
Speaker 3: It's wild. As you asked for. The odds are friends

2172
01:41:48,280 --> 01:41:52,920
Speaker 3: at Caesars minus one thirty Jamal Hill plus one ten

2173
01:41:53,360 --> 01:41:56,040
Speaker 3: Glover to share a trying to become a two division champion.

2174
01:41:57,640 --> 01:42:00,960
Speaker 3: I actually think what you did is the safer bet overall,

2175
01:42:01,200 --> 01:42:04,720
Speaker 3: going Glover to Shara but I'm feeling something here, and

2176
01:42:04,760 --> 01:42:07,120
Speaker 3: I love Glover and he's the King Connecticut anytime he

2177
01:42:07,120 --> 01:42:09,760
Speaker 3: wants to put that crown on. I'm just feeling this.

2178
01:42:09,880 --> 01:42:14,080
Speaker 3: He's forty three. We're asking a lot of him to

2179
01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:18,240
Speaker 3: come back after in all time violent, pour it out

2180
01:42:18,360 --> 01:42:23,400
Speaker 3: action fight in which although Glover was insanely amazing in

2181
01:42:23,439 --> 01:42:27,760
Speaker 3: that fight and all action friendly, but also just man,

2182
01:42:27,880 --> 01:42:31,840
Speaker 3: he stepped up, you know, he kind of fought like

2183
01:42:31,960 --> 01:42:34,599
Speaker 3: crazy until he could know more and collapse in round

2184
01:42:34,680 --> 01:42:36,840
Speaker 3: five and you know, was submitted, which was a which

2185
01:42:36,920 --> 01:42:39,920
Speaker 3: was a monster. You know, development there are the odds

2186
01:42:39,960 --> 01:42:42,559
Speaker 3: anywhere clear that Hill could do something like that exactly

2187
01:42:42,560 --> 01:42:44,840
Speaker 3: and take them late, and no they're not in this case,

2188
01:42:44,880 --> 01:42:48,479
Speaker 3: especially with the ground game deficiency. But I am wondering

2189
01:42:48,560 --> 01:42:51,040
Speaker 3: if that was the last stand for Glover. And that

2190
01:42:51,200 --> 01:42:54,479
Speaker 3: is a real thing in the fight game. You know,

2191
01:42:54,520 --> 01:42:56,360
Speaker 3: when you're in a situation that you feels like your

2192
01:42:56,439 --> 01:42:58,720
Speaker 3: last chance at something big or whatever and you just go,

2193
01:42:58,800 --> 01:43:00,960
Speaker 3: you know what, I'm gonna pour it all out. Glover

2194
01:43:01,040 --> 01:43:03,439
Speaker 3: had to go through hell to have those moments in

2195
01:43:03,479 --> 01:43:05,880
Speaker 3: that fight. I just wonder if there's a tax in

2196
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:08,040
Speaker 3: a receipt mixed with the fact that look, he's forty

2197
01:43:08,040 --> 01:43:09,960
Speaker 3: three and at this age you don't see even the

2198
01:43:10,040 --> 01:43:12,120
Speaker 3: light heavyweight. You don't tend to see this. Right, there's

2199
01:43:12,360 --> 01:43:15,080
Speaker 3: Randy the you know, is Captain America for a reason.

2200
01:43:15,160 --> 01:43:18,559
Speaker 3: In a lot of ways. In that regard, I just

2201
01:43:18,600 --> 01:43:21,920
Speaker 3: think that Hill's better on his setups and his explosiveness

2202
01:43:21,920 --> 01:43:26,080
Speaker 3: and speed in terms of getting clean punches off. That

2203
01:43:26,320 --> 01:43:28,439
Speaker 3: this is a Glover who He's going to know the

2204
01:43:28,479 --> 01:43:30,280
Speaker 3: advantage he has on the ground, of course, and that's

2205
01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:32,479
Speaker 3: going to be part of the strategy. But I think

2206
01:43:32,520 --> 01:43:36,120
Speaker 3: Glover also loves being the aging action fighter right now.

2207
01:43:36,560 --> 01:43:38,559
Speaker 3: Knows that he's willing to go to a place pretty

2208
01:43:38,600 --> 01:43:42,040
Speaker 3: quickly that he knows not everybody can. I wonder if

2209
01:43:42,120 --> 01:43:45,479
Speaker 3: Hill can start connecting early and Glover can start opening

2210
01:43:45,520 --> 01:43:47,240
Speaker 3: it up, and if he starts willing to and if

2211
01:43:47,280 --> 01:43:49,120
Speaker 3: he's willing to go there, I think I think he'll

2212
01:43:49,120 --> 01:43:51,000
Speaker 3: can finish him. Look, and you know, there's not a

2213
01:43:51,000 --> 01:43:53,840
Speaker 3: big detailed history of Glover being finished, So this is

2214
01:43:53,880 --> 01:43:57,920
Speaker 3: a leap, but you know it's an opponent change. It

2215
01:43:57,960 --> 01:44:00,920
Speaker 3: was a grueling fight last time, and here we are again.

2216
01:44:01,240 --> 01:44:03,040
Speaker 3: We're asking a lot of the great Glover to share

2217
01:44:03,479 --> 01:44:07,000
Speaker 3: and Hill just might have that ice cold demeanor to

2218
01:44:07,120 --> 01:44:09,559
Speaker 3: deliver exactly what's potentially possible here.

2219
01:44:09,880 --> 01:44:12,320
Speaker 2: You make a strong case, especially the one about like

2220
01:44:12,800 --> 01:44:14,519
Speaker 2: you know, once you get the title and then lose

2221
01:44:14,560 --> 01:44:16,680
Speaker 2: it and then you're kind of like searching for it

2222
01:44:16,760 --> 01:44:19,000
Speaker 2: again and like a you know, not a desperate push

2223
01:44:19,120 --> 01:44:22,439
Speaker 2: per se, but a late one, it can blow up

2224
01:44:22,439 --> 01:44:25,360
Speaker 2: in your face. It's again, if I had money, if

2225
01:44:25,360 --> 01:44:27,080
Speaker 2: someone gave me like a million dollars to bet on

2226
01:44:27,120 --> 01:44:28,800
Speaker 2: this card, I wouldn't have bet on this main event.

2227
01:44:28,840 --> 01:44:29,960
Speaker 2: It's a little too hard to tell.

2228
01:44:31,800 --> 01:44:34,880
Speaker 3: Interesting. I'm going with Hill, You're going with Glover. So

2229
01:44:35,000 --> 01:44:37,920
Speaker 3: number two, Luke on our betting five picks each countdown,

2230
01:44:38,360 --> 01:44:41,280
Speaker 3: is we pick a favorite, all right?

2231
01:44:41,400 --> 01:44:44,560
Speaker 2: So first Haunt, Yes please, yes, please go ahead.

2232
01:44:45,800 --> 01:44:48,040
Speaker 3: It's a close favorite here. But I do have my

2233
01:44:48,080 --> 01:44:49,880
Speaker 3: eyes on this, Luke, And it's going to be on

2234
01:44:49,920 --> 01:44:55,280
Speaker 3: the actual early preliminary cards. Lightweight division Terence McKinney against

2235
01:44:55,640 --> 01:44:58,760
Speaker 3: Ismael Bonefeme. And is he part of this brother group,

2236
01:44:58,840 --> 01:45:00,640
Speaker 3: Luke that are coming on the scene.

2237
01:45:00,439 --> 01:45:01,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, the brothers.

2238
01:45:02,040 --> 01:45:04,240
Speaker 3: Look, this is a very close fight odds wise, and

2239
01:45:04,280 --> 01:45:06,160
Speaker 3: I think there is a lot of opinion to believe

2240
01:45:06,160 --> 01:45:08,000
Speaker 3: there's a potential for both brothers if you look at

2241
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:10,599
Speaker 3: their record and the you know, destruction that they've caused

2242
01:45:10,600 --> 01:45:12,880
Speaker 3: on the lower level getting to this point, that they

2243
01:45:12,920 --> 01:45:14,760
Speaker 3: might just have a breakout night in front of their

2244
01:45:14,760 --> 01:45:18,240
Speaker 3: home crowd. And Terrence McKinney's not a fighter that doesn't

2245
01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:20,880
Speaker 3: have that doesn't have mistakes and doesn't you know, give

2246
01:45:20,920 --> 01:45:23,559
Speaker 3: you openings. He does, but he's also somebody who could

2247
01:45:23,560 --> 01:45:25,880
Speaker 3: take advantage in the moment. And I know it just

2248
01:45:25,920 --> 01:45:28,639
Speaker 3: happened to be two consecutive picks. I'm sort of banking

2249
01:45:28,680 --> 01:45:31,280
Speaker 3: on that big moment happening, and sometimes people criticize me

2250
01:45:31,280 --> 01:45:32,919
Speaker 3: and say PC only goes with the sluggers.

2251
01:45:32,920 --> 01:45:33,240
Speaker 2: Baby.

2252
01:45:34,000 --> 01:45:36,840
Speaker 3: I've also been in this game at the elite level

2253
01:45:36,880 --> 01:45:39,760
Speaker 3: and know how how often things don't go the way

2254
01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:42,160
Speaker 3: that you're just confirmed and you feel that it probably

2255
01:45:42,160 --> 01:45:45,040
Speaker 3: should right now. And sometimes it's interesting factors in there

2256
01:45:45,200 --> 01:45:47,639
Speaker 3: minus one twenty five Terrence McKinney, So it's a close

2257
01:45:47,680 --> 01:45:50,600
Speaker 3: one plus one oh five for bomb theme Luke. I

2258
01:45:50,600 --> 01:45:52,920
Speaker 3: think they get into a into an early skirmish here.

2259
01:45:53,680 --> 01:45:56,800
Speaker 3: McKinney's in play here to to rise up and have

2260
01:45:56,840 --> 01:46:00,479
Speaker 3: a big moment. I think that kind of lawless to

2261
01:46:00,520 --> 01:46:04,080
Speaker 3: the way he he he judiciously hands out his striking.

2262
01:46:04,360 --> 01:46:06,679
Speaker 3: We'll catch up to him certainly the higher you climb.

2263
01:46:07,040 --> 01:46:10,080
Speaker 3: But on this level here, as as the road Warrior

2264
01:46:10,160 --> 01:46:13,360
Speaker 3: going down there, watch out Luke slight favor for a reason.

2265
01:46:13,400 --> 01:46:13,599
Speaker 2: Here.

2266
01:46:13,760 --> 01:46:15,920
Speaker 3: He could punch through the screen and give me that

2267
01:46:15,960 --> 01:46:16,479
Speaker 3: favorite win.

2268
01:46:17,400 --> 01:46:18,960
Speaker 2: H he could, But for me, I'm gonna go in

2269
01:46:18,960 --> 01:46:21,640
Speaker 2: a slightly different direction. I'm gonna go with Gregory Hadriguez.

2270
01:46:22,360 --> 01:46:24,680
Speaker 2: RoboCop is what they call him. He is in a

2271
01:46:24,720 --> 01:46:27,559
Speaker 2: fight against a dude named Bruno Fejeda. If you don't

2272
01:46:27,560 --> 01:46:30,160
Speaker 2: know Bruno Fajita by the way, two ends and Bruno

2273
01:46:30,400 --> 01:46:34,839
Speaker 2: he has one win really of notes for UFC fans anyway,

2274
01:46:35,040 --> 01:46:37,639
Speaker 2: which was his win in the Contender series over Leon Aliu,

2275
01:46:37,680 --> 01:46:40,000
Speaker 2: I think, an Italian guy. He fought and he won

2276
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:42,040
Speaker 2: that one switches stance a lot, but he gets hit

2277
01:46:42,120 --> 01:46:44,160
Speaker 2: a lot. Now he's got big power. But the thing

2278
01:46:44,240 --> 01:46:46,040
Speaker 2: is about RoboCop. First of all, he was supposed to

2279
01:46:46,040 --> 01:46:48,439
Speaker 2: be fighting Brad Tavares on this card, I believe, and

2280
01:46:48,439 --> 01:46:51,720
Speaker 2: then Tavares fell out so they couldn't make that. So

2281
01:46:51,760 --> 01:46:54,759
Speaker 2: Bruno is coming in on late. Notice that's the first thing. Again,

2282
01:46:54,840 --> 01:46:57,439
Speaker 2: he's pretty tough, but he's very hittable, and while he

2283
01:46:57,439 --> 01:47:00,680
Speaker 2: does have big power, RoboCop has proven to be very resilient.

2284
01:47:00,960 --> 01:47:02,840
Speaker 2: You just add all that up and it seems to

2285
01:47:02,880 --> 01:47:05,559
Speaker 2: me like this is one where RoboCop should win. I

2286
01:47:05,640 --> 01:47:07,479
Speaker 2: like Gregory Hadriganz is my favorite to win.

2287
01:47:07,960 --> 01:47:10,240
Speaker 3: He is coming on, Luke. He's been making fun fights.

2288
01:47:10,320 --> 01:47:12,800
Speaker 3: We'll go down to the underdog now and Luke, I

2289
01:47:12,840 --> 01:47:14,920
Speaker 3: had to dip into this light heavyweight bout because there

2290
01:47:15,000 --> 01:47:16,840
Speaker 3: is a lot of questions. It could be very entertaining

2291
01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:19,880
Speaker 3: when Paul and I'm told not to say Craig in

2292
01:47:19,920 --> 01:47:23,160
Speaker 3: the American way anymore, Luke by some of my Scottish

2293
01:47:23,160 --> 01:47:27,000
Speaker 3: brethren there. I mean, I'd be Scottish by you know, blood,

2294
01:47:27,240 --> 01:47:30,000
Speaker 3: but it's I have a Scottish last name, Luke. Yeah,

2295
01:47:30,000 --> 01:47:32,120
Speaker 3: it's Craig. And we better get that right, they say,

2296
01:47:32,200 --> 01:47:35,080
Speaker 3: or there's gonna be a problem bigger than the growing

2297
01:47:35,120 --> 01:47:39,280
Speaker 3: sentimism of yeay uk. Plus what an idea friendly let's

2298
01:47:39,280 --> 01:47:42,200
Speaker 3: do it? That has not been well received, Luke. But

2299
01:47:42,280 --> 01:47:46,320
Speaker 3: Paul Craig versus Johnny Walker is interesting. And even though

2300
01:47:46,360 --> 01:47:48,960
Speaker 3: Johnny Walker has shown us an level of improvement and

2301
01:47:48,960 --> 01:47:51,519
Speaker 3: commitment to the ground getting a submission win last time

2302
01:47:51,720 --> 01:47:54,439
Speaker 3: and finally making it look like could this Kavanaugh puzzle

2303
01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:56,720
Speaker 3: make sense of him going to Ireland and training at

2304
01:47:56,760 --> 01:48:01,720
Speaker 3: SBG for his skill set and the way he's wired. Dude,

2305
01:48:01,720 --> 01:48:03,960
Speaker 3: Paul Craig is gonna almost in this matchup if you

2306
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:05,960
Speaker 3: really think about it. He's gonna want it to be

2307
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:08,680
Speaker 3: a typical Paul Craig fight in which there's you know,

2308
01:48:08,800 --> 01:48:12,080
Speaker 3: mayhem early to get Walker off of a game plan,

2309
01:48:12,360 --> 01:48:16,240
Speaker 3: and when Walker takes such big chances, when he's flowing,

2310
01:48:16,760 --> 01:48:19,160
Speaker 3: there's gonna be out, you know, opportunities there for submissions

2311
01:48:19,200 --> 01:48:21,519
Speaker 3: as well, Luke. So Paul Craig needs a big rebound.

2312
01:48:21,720 --> 01:48:23,639
Speaker 3: This is a dangerous fight, but I think it's winnable

2313
01:48:23,680 --> 01:48:25,799
Speaker 3: for him. That's what I'm going with as your slight

2314
01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:27,719
Speaker 3: underdog of minus one seventy.

2315
01:48:28,120 --> 01:48:29,599
Speaker 2: I like that call. It was a call I would

2316
01:48:29,600 --> 01:48:31,120
Speaker 2: have made had you not already picked it, to be

2317
01:48:31,200 --> 01:48:33,080
Speaker 2: quite honest with you. So I'll go in a different

2318
01:48:33,080 --> 01:48:35,519
Speaker 2: direction for my underdog. I'm gonna go with Showgun, which

2319
01:48:35,520 --> 01:48:37,479
Speaker 2: I cannot believe he is the underdog, but he is,

2320
01:48:38,200 --> 01:48:39,800
Speaker 2: and I sort of get it right. He's fighting this

2321
01:48:39,880 --> 01:48:41,839
Speaker 2: dude out of the I guess he's the Ukrainian Ehor

2322
01:48:42,320 --> 01:48:46,400
Speaker 2: Potieria who looked good on the Contender series but then

2323
01:48:46,479 --> 01:48:50,519
Speaker 2: fell quite short against Nikolai Nigga Maranu, who's a good fighter,

2324
01:48:50,560 --> 01:48:54,080
Speaker 2: but not like a super elite one. Showgun has looked

2325
01:48:54,080 --> 01:48:56,280
Speaker 2: like he's been on his last legs for a long time.

2326
01:48:56,400 --> 01:48:58,080
Speaker 2: I get that. I get that he could go in

2327
01:48:58,120 --> 01:49:00,519
Speaker 2: there and take one punch and crumble, you know, like

2328
01:49:00,560 --> 01:49:03,360
Speaker 2: a corn chip just being crushed in your hand. He's

2329
01:49:03,160 --> 01:49:06,280
Speaker 2: he's that's the very real possibility. But we have just

2330
01:49:06,280 --> 01:49:08,679
Speaker 2: seen him storm back so many times. Plus it's gonna

2331
01:49:08,680 --> 01:49:10,840
Speaker 2: be in Brazil. The crowd's gonna be going crazy for him.

2332
01:49:11,200 --> 01:49:12,680
Speaker 2: I just wonder if he's got a little bit more

2333
01:49:12,720 --> 01:49:15,160
Speaker 2: Showgun magic in him. I'll say, I'll say, Showgun, who

2334
01:49:15,200 --> 01:49:16,000
Speaker 2: has my underdog?

2335
01:49:16,160 --> 01:49:19,160
Speaker 3: Look? How many people need to get food poisoning between

2336
01:49:19,160 --> 01:49:21,840
Speaker 3: now and Saturday Night. Now that Anthony Smith was not

2337
01:49:21,960 --> 01:49:25,240
Speaker 3: able to make Championship, wait as the backup for Showgun

2338
01:49:25,240 --> 01:49:28,080
Speaker 3: to end up fighting for the title in like Tony

2339
01:49:28,120 --> 01:49:32,519
Speaker 3: Ferguson versus Nadaz type absolutely weird situation. It would take

2340
01:49:32,560 --> 01:49:36,639
Speaker 3: a lot, but hey, Dan Hendo got that treatment, all right?

2341
01:49:36,760 --> 01:49:39,559
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, And for folks wondering why Anthony Smith was

2342
01:49:39,560 --> 01:49:41,599
Speaker 2: there even if he was gonna miss Wait, it's because

2343
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:44,120
Speaker 2: I'm guessing they told him like late that this was

2344
01:49:44,120 --> 01:49:45,400
Speaker 2: going to be a thing that they needed him for.

2345
01:49:45,479 --> 01:49:46,720
Speaker 2: And the other part is he was supposed to be

2346
01:49:46,720 --> 01:49:48,519
Speaker 2: fighting Jamal Hill. They took the fight from him, so

2347
01:49:48,960 --> 01:49:50,880
Speaker 2: I guess they thought, if the worst happens, you could

2348
01:49:50,880 --> 01:49:52,280
Speaker 2: be the guy who fills in on the main event.

2349
01:49:52,479 --> 01:49:53,640
Speaker 3: You know, did everybody make it?

2350
01:49:53,680 --> 01:49:53,920
Speaker 2: We're not.

2351
01:49:53,960 --> 01:49:55,080
Speaker 3: We don't have egg on our phone.

2352
01:49:55,240 --> 01:49:56,920
Speaker 2: The two titles, I think everyone made it for sure.

2353
01:49:56,920 --> 01:49:59,320
Speaker 2: The two title fights are on. Those guys had all

2354
01:49:59,400 --> 01:50:01,840
Speaker 2: weighed in on the first six minutes, so the fart

2355
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:03,599
Speaker 2: the fights that we care about are largely intact.

2356
01:50:03,680 --> 01:50:07,000
Speaker 3: Well, Luke, how did how did one Davidson Figaredo look?

2357
01:50:07,800 --> 01:50:10,439
Speaker 2: Uh? Terrible? But he made it? He made it?

2358
01:50:10,479 --> 01:50:13,120
Speaker 3: All right? There we go, all right, Luke, let's transition

2359
01:50:13,200 --> 01:50:15,160
Speaker 3: over to the over under. Let's pick a fight that

2360
01:50:15,200 --> 01:50:19,320
Speaker 3: either does go or not. Luke, I am picking ehor

2361
01:50:19,520 --> 01:50:23,200
Speaker 3: Poto Riha versus Showgun Hua. It's written on our rundown

2362
01:50:23,520 --> 01:50:26,200
Speaker 3: that I'm telling you it doesn't go the differance. But

2363
01:50:26,280 --> 01:50:28,680
Speaker 3: hearing you talk about Showgun and knowing that crowd is

2364
01:50:28,680 --> 01:50:32,920
Speaker 3: gonna be going insane, and knowing that Igor Ehor you know,

2365
01:50:34,360 --> 01:50:36,960
Speaker 3: is he a killer? Luke, I don't know Shogun's gonna

2366
01:50:36,960 --> 01:50:38,880
Speaker 3: go the distance in this fight. You say he's gonna win.

2367
01:50:39,000 --> 01:50:41,879
Speaker 3: I'm gonna change my over under in the moment Showgun

2368
01:50:41,960 --> 01:50:44,200
Speaker 3: goes the distance, win or lose in his final fight.

2369
01:50:44,360 --> 01:50:47,599
Speaker 3: That's my bet. That's that's right. Okay, okay, bet all right.

2370
01:50:47,479 --> 01:50:49,760
Speaker 2: All right. From my over under, I'm gonna guess that

2371
01:50:50,000 --> 01:50:53,559
Speaker 2: McKinney versus Bond theme does not go the distance. Terrence McKinney,

2372
01:50:54,200 --> 01:50:57,679
Speaker 2: you know, either he wins by the sort of balls

2373
01:50:57,680 --> 01:51:00,360
Speaker 2: out style which he fights, or he loses by virtue

2374
01:51:00,360 --> 01:51:01,840
Speaker 2: of the balls out style in which he fights. I

2375
01:51:01,840 --> 01:51:03,760
Speaker 2: think he's gonna be amped up again. The crowd is

2376
01:51:03,760 --> 01:51:07,080
Speaker 2: gonna be nuts obviously for Bonfime, but you know, I

2377
01:51:07,080 --> 01:51:09,599
Speaker 2: think it's gonna juice up McKinney as well. I think

2378
01:51:09,640 --> 01:51:13,599
Speaker 2: that that McKinny Bonfime does not go the distance. That's

2379
01:51:13,640 --> 01:51:14,599
Speaker 2: my pick, all right.

2380
01:51:14,640 --> 01:51:17,880
Speaker 3: Finally, on the head to head, okay, bet we're going

2381
01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:19,560
Speaker 3: with Ko or sub. We have to pick it, and

2382
01:51:19,560 --> 01:51:22,160
Speaker 3: we have to pick the fight. So Lukie, you know,

2383
01:51:22,240 --> 01:51:25,200
Speaker 3: I'd probably get plus money on this bet because Lauren

2384
01:51:25,280 --> 01:51:28,040
Speaker 3: Murphy is as battle tested and durable it seems in

2385
01:51:28,040 --> 01:51:29,840
Speaker 3: this division as they call him, although she was stopped

2386
01:51:29,840 --> 01:51:33,840
Speaker 3: by Valentina in her title bout. But Jessica Androge, I

2387
01:51:33,840 --> 01:51:36,320
Speaker 3: don't know, man. She just has a way of taking

2388
01:51:36,320 --> 01:51:39,440
Speaker 3: that big weapon and rising to the occasion with it.

2389
01:51:39,560 --> 01:51:41,760
Speaker 3: Murphy's thirty nine. But I don't consider her punch wary

2390
01:51:41,880 --> 01:51:44,040
Speaker 3: or anything. Luke, She's just somebody who kind of peaks late.

2391
01:51:44,520 --> 01:51:46,840
Speaker 3: But I think there's another large statement to be made

2392
01:51:46,880 --> 01:51:49,360
Speaker 3: here from Jessica Androdge. And even though Murphy is hard

2393
01:51:49,400 --> 01:51:52,200
Speaker 3: to dominate and certainly you know, take down and wrestle

2394
01:51:52,280 --> 01:51:55,280
Speaker 3: or anything like that, and that's not really what Jessica's

2395
01:51:55,280 --> 01:51:57,559
Speaker 3: going to be wanting to do here. I just have

2396
01:51:57,640 --> 01:51:59,160
Speaker 3: this feeling and I'm gonna take a flyer. I like

2397
01:51:59,200 --> 01:52:01,280
Speaker 3: to live on the edge. Looke, give me a stock

2398
01:52:01,680 --> 01:52:04,920
Speaker 3: Ko in the and Androge Murphy fight.

2399
01:52:05,240 --> 01:52:07,240
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a big that's a big claim. I mean

2400
01:52:07,280 --> 01:52:09,519
Speaker 2: it's on the table, but that's a very big claim.

2401
01:52:10,000 --> 01:52:11,280
Speaker 3: It's on the table.

2402
01:52:12,240 --> 01:52:15,000
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go for my Ko slash sub I'm gonna

2403
01:52:15,040 --> 01:52:19,760
Speaker 2: go with Giylton Almeida winning over Shamila after rockam Mov

2404
01:52:19,840 --> 01:52:22,960
Speaker 2: and Almeida has great submissions, so maybe I should go

2405
01:52:23,360 --> 01:52:27,599
Speaker 2: I should go with that. I put via t ko

2406
01:52:27,720 --> 01:52:29,559
Speaker 2: via ko. Should I change that? I mean, I definitely

2407
01:52:29,560 --> 01:52:31,679
Speaker 2: think he's gonna win, and I definitely think he's gonna

2408
01:52:31,720 --> 01:52:34,920
Speaker 2: stop him. I'm gonna be very clear about that. So

2409
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:37,519
Speaker 2: let me ask you. If Almeida wins but I didn't

2410
01:52:37,520 --> 01:52:39,439
Speaker 2: get the method right, do I get credit for it?

2411
01:52:39,560 --> 01:52:41,280
Speaker 2: Do I actually have to call both the winner and

2412
01:52:41,360 --> 01:52:41,799
Speaker 2: the method?

2413
01:52:42,200 --> 01:52:44,080
Speaker 3: Is your second this is your second fight involved in

2414
01:52:44,080 --> 01:52:45,599
Speaker 3: Almida or your first first?

2415
01:52:45,920 --> 01:52:46,240
Speaker 2: Okay?

2416
01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:48,800
Speaker 3: No, you just need that fight to end in either

2417
01:52:48,840 --> 01:52:49,519
Speaker 3: a KO or so.

2418
01:52:49,680 --> 01:52:52,920
Speaker 2: Okay, So then I'm gonna one. Yeah, right, So the

2419
01:52:52,960 --> 01:52:55,759
Speaker 2: one I'm gonna pick is Jelton Almeida versus shamilab De Rockamov.

2420
01:52:55,960 --> 01:52:58,160
Speaker 2: Almeida is giving up a lot of weight because he's

2421
01:52:58,160 --> 01:53:01,479
Speaker 2: not really naturally a heavyweight, but he is so fucking athletic,

2422
01:53:01,560 --> 01:53:04,639
Speaker 2: he is so dynamic as a talent. He's gonna run

2423
01:53:04,680 --> 01:53:06,680
Speaker 2: over this guy who is a little bit slow but

2424
01:53:06,800 --> 01:53:09,599
Speaker 2: good but kind of hit able. Almeta wins this one,

2425
01:53:09,640 --> 01:53:11,240
Speaker 2: I think quite cleanly, all.

2426
01:53:11,200 --> 01:53:13,120
Speaker 3: Right, that's our head to head there locked in for

2427
01:53:13,200 --> 01:53:15,880
Speaker 3: the week, Luke of Okay bet week two, we'll see

2428
01:53:15,880 --> 01:53:18,440
Speaker 3: who moves up in the score scoreboard in the standings.

2429
01:53:18,479 --> 01:53:20,439
Speaker 3: This is for fun, Okay, don't you don't live and

2430
01:53:20,479 --> 01:53:22,320
Speaker 3: die by this, but Luke, people will want to hear

2431
01:53:22,360 --> 01:53:25,680
Speaker 3: your thoughts though on this flyweight co main event, the

2432
01:53:25,800 --> 01:53:28,479
Speaker 3: fourth time that the meeting for a title, the champion

2433
01:53:28,520 --> 01:53:31,080
Speaker 3: is Devison figuredo. He has looked out. I get questionable

2434
01:53:31,160 --> 01:53:32,880
Speaker 3: is the best word I can say in these fight

2435
01:53:32,920 --> 01:53:35,000
Speaker 3: week shirtless picks of how hard of a weight cut

2436
01:53:35,040 --> 01:53:36,880
Speaker 3: this is, even though I've had people on my DM

2437
01:53:36,960 --> 01:53:39,920
Speaker 3: saying give that guy respect. He makes it almost every

2438
01:53:39,960 --> 01:53:43,040
Speaker 3: single time, no matter if he looks compromised. But whether

2439
01:53:43,120 --> 01:53:45,240
Speaker 3: or not he is compromised, Luke does play into the

2440
01:53:45,240 --> 01:53:49,599
Speaker 3: prediction here. Brandon Moreno's your interim champion. He stopped Kaikr France,

2441
01:53:49,720 --> 01:53:52,679
Speaker 3: come back win this. This is such a great fight,

2442
01:53:52,760 --> 01:53:54,639
Speaker 3: But who's gonna win it? Tell me about that?

2443
01:53:55,040 --> 01:53:57,160
Speaker 2: I don't really know. You know, watching that third five,

2444
01:53:57,200 --> 01:54:00,240
Speaker 2: there's a lot of times where Moreno lands and hurts

2445
01:54:00,320 --> 01:54:02,040
Speaker 2: him and if you like landed one or two more

2446
01:54:02,080 --> 01:54:05,280
Speaker 2: follow ups, it might have closed the show. But it

2447
01:54:05,320 --> 01:54:08,280
Speaker 2: wasn't even enough to win that one. It is in Brazil,

2448
01:54:08,360 --> 01:54:12,400
Speaker 2: there's so much turmoil in the camp of Moreno. I

2449
01:54:12,520 --> 01:54:16,960
Speaker 2: probably will side with Figuredo, but I will tell you man,

2450
01:54:17,120 --> 01:54:20,439
Speaker 2: like I think we just discussed it on Wednesday. The

2451
01:54:20,479 --> 01:54:22,960
Speaker 2: ability of Moreno to make adjustments this time, I think

2452
01:54:23,040 --> 01:54:26,360
Speaker 2: is real. His power is real. I think. I While

2453
01:54:26,400 --> 01:54:28,520
Speaker 2: you can be like, oh wow, it's amazing that Figuredo

2454
01:54:28,600 --> 01:54:31,559
Speaker 2: makes the weight and it is it compromises his ability

2455
01:54:31,600 --> 01:54:35,760
Speaker 2: to take a punch, it absolutely does. So it's a

2456
01:54:36,200 --> 01:54:39,240
Speaker 2: very very close call, and I like Moreno a lot.

2457
01:54:39,280 --> 01:54:41,640
Speaker 2: I'd like to see him win. Gun to my head,

2458
01:54:41,680 --> 01:54:44,560
Speaker 2: I'll probably go Figuredo. But it's a tough call.

2459
01:54:44,800 --> 01:54:47,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Moreno there's there's not like there's no

2460
01:54:47,640 --> 01:54:50,560
Speaker 3: questions facing him with the trainer change and everything there.

2461
01:54:50,920 --> 01:54:55,960
Speaker 3: But you know, he's younger in the sense in terms

2462
01:54:56,000 --> 01:54:58,600
Speaker 3: of he's a vault. He's a high motor volume guy.

2463
01:54:58,920 --> 01:55:00,560
Speaker 3: If he can push this into the I think you

2464
01:55:00,560 --> 01:55:02,520
Speaker 3: can win a decision on that. It's not saying it's

2465
01:55:02,560 --> 01:55:05,040
Speaker 3: easy to not get stopped by Figuredo, But even in

2466
01:55:05,120 --> 01:55:07,320
Speaker 3: the loss last time, Mareno still went the distance. So

2467
01:55:08,000 --> 01:55:10,800
Speaker 3: I think he's the fresher guy, But dude, Figaredo surprised

2468
01:55:10,800 --> 01:55:12,480
Speaker 3: the shit out of me when he came back and

2469
01:55:12,520 --> 01:55:15,200
Speaker 3: won that title at thirty four in this division against

2470
01:55:15,200 --> 01:55:17,240
Speaker 3: a guy who had just stopped him. So I love

2471
01:55:17,320 --> 01:55:20,040
Speaker 3: his swagger. I love everything about him. Let's close quickly, Luke,

2472
01:55:20,200 --> 01:55:22,840
Speaker 3: with our final segment here, we open up the chance

2473
01:55:23,200 --> 01:55:25,800
Speaker 3: with Morning Combat at gmail dot com the email address

2474
01:55:25,880 --> 01:55:27,960
Speaker 3: for you to call us out. Did we say something

2475
01:55:28,160 --> 01:55:30,320
Speaker 3: was wrong or were we just wrong?

2476
01:55:32,400 --> 01:55:35,160
Speaker 2: Or is it dead wrong, dead wrong?

2477
01:55:35,440 --> 01:55:38,400
Speaker 3: You better have some receipts for it though. Okay, you

2478
01:55:38,440 --> 01:55:40,360
Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. Male viewers, all right, this is

2479
01:55:40,400 --> 01:55:43,800
Speaker 3: from Mouhaimer. He's a regular on the Dead Wrongs. In

2480
01:55:43,840 --> 01:55:47,920
Speaker 3: today's Emergency Meeting episode at exactly three h five, BC

2481
01:55:48,080 --> 01:55:52,000
Speaker 3: states that in Gano Versus Gone happened on April twenty second.

2482
01:55:52,040 --> 01:55:54,920
Speaker 3: I don't believe, I oh, in April of twenty twenty two.

2483
01:55:55,640 --> 01:55:59,000
Speaker 3: Of course, in reality it was on January twentieth, two

2484
01:55:59,040 --> 01:56:02,440
Speaker 3: thousand and two. Way to fumble into the holiday episode,

2485
01:56:02,440 --> 01:56:06,120
Speaker 3: you washed piece of shit, just kidding, really appreciate the grind.

2486
01:56:06,160 --> 01:56:09,720
Speaker 3: It's Mouhamer from Austria. Cheers from Austria. All right, brother, yeah,

2487
01:56:09,720 --> 01:56:11,680
Speaker 3: I was wrong. I was dead wrong on there.

2488
01:56:11,800 --> 01:56:13,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, very good, take that, ol.

2489
01:56:14,360 --> 01:56:15,280
Speaker 3: Yeah it was January.

2490
01:56:15,280 --> 01:56:16,040
Speaker 2: You're right. Okay.

2491
01:56:16,560 --> 01:56:20,080
Speaker 3: Number two is from Nicklas. He's from Sweden, Luke. He

2492
01:56:20,120 --> 01:56:21,800
Speaker 3: spells it n I k Las.

2493
01:56:21,920 --> 01:56:23,800
Speaker 2: I like that, Yeah, like Nicholas Backstrom.

2494
01:56:24,640 --> 01:56:27,960
Speaker 3: Yes, that those of the of the hockey world. Yes, hi, guys,

2495
01:56:28,040 --> 01:56:30,280
Speaker 3: I think this is the third time BC is mentioning

2496
01:56:30,640 --> 01:56:34,760
Speaker 3: McGregor's bus attack before two twenty three and referring to

2497
01:56:34,840 --> 01:56:38,160
Speaker 3: Joanna as the one who got traumatized the thirty nine

2498
01:56:38,200 --> 01:56:41,720
Speaker 3: to fifty mark of Monday Show. They've got more about

2499
01:56:41,760 --> 01:56:43,160
Speaker 3: what I did wrong. But yeah, I was wrong. I

2500
01:56:43,200 --> 01:56:44,680
Speaker 3: was thinking Rose, I said, Yo Wanna. I mean they

2501
01:56:44,720 --> 01:56:46,760
Speaker 3: did fight each other that that pay per view, so

2502
01:56:46,960 --> 01:56:49,240
Speaker 3: you know, and they are somewhat linked together in history

2503
01:56:49,240 --> 01:56:50,760
Speaker 3: in a lot of ways, and you know, maybe two

2504
01:56:50,800 --> 01:56:52,720
Speaker 3: of my favorite fighters of all time Luke along with

2505
01:56:52,760 --> 01:56:55,480
Speaker 3: Brian Ortega. But let's see what he does with that tattoo. Look,

2506
01:56:55,480 --> 01:56:58,480
Speaker 3: I'm interested to find out he says that was my

2507
01:56:58,560 --> 01:57:02,360
Speaker 3: favorite fighter, Rose who got scared. Yeah, okay, it's incredible they.

2508
01:57:02,600 --> 01:57:06,240
Speaker 2: Whatever happened with Michael Kis's lawsuit against McGregor.

2509
01:57:05,800 --> 01:57:07,480
Speaker 3: I know people were mad. We didn't ask that in

2510
01:57:07,520 --> 01:57:10,400
Speaker 3: the RSD, and it wasn't because we were avoiding that.

2511
01:57:10,480 --> 01:57:12,880
Speaker 3: I just completely forgot. Yeah, I was talking to him

2512
01:57:12,880 --> 01:57:15,320
Speaker 3: about other more important stuff, like me, all right.

2513
01:57:15,640 --> 01:57:17,360
Speaker 2: He would answer the question. Here's the thing, It's like,

2514
01:57:17,400 --> 01:57:19,200
Speaker 2: why would we we be afraid of asking him that

2515
01:57:19,240 --> 01:57:21,400
Speaker 2: he would answer it. He's a fucking pro, you know.

2516
01:57:22,040 --> 01:57:24,560
Speaker 3: Look, I think our final one is also from Mouhamer.

2517
01:57:24,640 --> 01:57:27,640
Speaker 3: I know Loke and Oshref also wrote in about this,

2518
01:57:27,720 --> 01:57:30,200
Speaker 3: but Wuhammer says a long time viewer here, I hate

2519
01:57:30,200 --> 01:57:34,480
Speaker 3: to do this, but on the January sixteenth, Oh, they

2520
01:57:34,480 --> 01:57:36,160
Speaker 3: put it in British date, so it screwed me up.

2521
01:57:36,600 --> 01:57:38,000
Speaker 2: So that was like a few days ago.

2522
01:57:38,080 --> 01:57:40,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, fifty one thirty of Morning Combat. Luke said that

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Speaker 3: only one fighter other than John Jones had a reach

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01:57:43,160 --> 01:57:45,680
Speaker 3: of eighty four inches or longer in UFC history. While

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01:57:45,680 --> 01:57:48,400
Speaker 3: he is right that Semi Shildt has an eighty four

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01:57:48,440 --> 01:57:51,080
Speaker 3: inch reach, there are two other fighters who have equal

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01:57:51,240 --> 01:57:54,160
Speaker 3: or greater. Stephan Strube the skyscraper was eighty four and

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01:57:54,200 --> 01:57:54,480
Speaker 3: a half.

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01:57:55,080 --> 01:57:57,640
Speaker 2: Also a seven footer, also a seven footer.

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01:57:57,720 --> 01:58:01,440
Speaker 3: And Sergey Pavlovich has an eighty four inch reach. Does

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01:58:01,600 --> 01:58:04,920
Speaker 3: he really in a greater ape index than John Jones.

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01:58:05,000 --> 01:58:06,480
Speaker 3: So take this l.

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01:58:06,800 --> 01:58:08,440
Speaker 2: I'll take that out. I didn't know he had an eight.

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01:58:08,520 --> 01:58:12,160
Speaker 2: That's crazy. He's that fast and powerful. Plus he's rangy. Shit.

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Speaker 3: So here's the deal about Pavlo. Just real quick, we

2536
01:58:14,240 --> 01:58:16,680
Speaker 3: can end the show. People are already starting to say,

2537
01:58:16,720 --> 01:58:18,320
Speaker 3: like every time we talk about heavy, like, hey, guys,

2538
01:58:18,360 --> 01:58:19,800
Speaker 3: you're not mentioning him. He's coming.

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01:58:19,840 --> 01:58:21,839
Speaker 2: He like he may he may have this all okay,

2540
01:58:21,840 --> 01:58:25,520
Speaker 2: but the problem is he yes, he looks very dynamic.

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01:58:25,560 --> 01:58:28,440
Speaker 2: Now again rough start against Overreeam, but since then, off

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01:58:28,440 --> 01:58:31,480
Speaker 2: to the races. I need to see him more thoroughly

2543
01:58:31,520 --> 01:58:33,640
Speaker 2: tested because if we get him pushed to the second

2544
01:58:33,720 --> 01:58:35,480
Speaker 2: round and he's tired and it turns out to be

2545
01:58:35,520 --> 01:58:37,720
Speaker 2: the Overreeam thing was a harbing drip, what happens later

2546
01:58:37,760 --> 01:58:41,200
Speaker 2: in Fights great Or he actually gets tested and says

2547
01:58:41,200 --> 01:58:43,080
Speaker 2: that the Overheam fight was just UFC jitters. It was

2548
01:58:43,120 --> 01:58:45,600
Speaker 2: his pro debut. It doesn't mean anything. Move on. We

2549
01:58:45,760 --> 01:58:46,560
Speaker 2: just don't really know.

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01:58:47,280 --> 01:58:49,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, I know that I got to take

2551
01:58:49,440 --> 01:58:51,760
Speaker 3: a whiz luke, and nobody beats the whiz. So here's

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01:58:51,800 --> 01:58:54,280
Speaker 3: a couple of reminders. Quickly, you can check me out

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01:58:55,200 --> 01:58:59,520
Speaker 3: tonight nine pm Eastern here in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania on Showtime Showbox.

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01:58:59,560 --> 01:59:03,240
Speaker 3: The new generation unbeaten middleweights in the main event, Sean Hemphill,

2555
01:59:03,560 --> 01:59:07,360
Speaker 3: David Stevens, Hall of Fame trainers on the sidelines there. Uh,

2556
01:59:07,480 --> 01:59:09,560
Speaker 3: it's gonna be a great night of fights, nine pm Eastern.

2557
01:59:09,600 --> 01:59:11,839
Speaker 3: You can get Showtime for free by going to Showtime

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01:59:11,880 --> 01:59:14,640
Speaker 3: dot com thirty days free, in fact three ninety nine

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01:59:15,000 --> 01:59:18,680
Speaker 3: for six months each. I mean that's I'd take it

2560
01:59:18,680 --> 01:59:21,440
Speaker 3: if I were you. Luke Thomas. February eighth is a

2561
01:59:21,480 --> 01:59:25,400
Speaker 3: Wednesday MK and the UK Live Pod Live is the

2562
01:59:25,440 --> 01:59:29,720
Speaker 3: festival we are co headlining, and Dan Hardy's the big announcement.

2563
01:59:29,800 --> 01:59:33,680
Speaker 3: He's one of an expected couple guests that we're planning here.

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01:59:33,680 --> 01:59:35,520
Speaker 3: We got we got a lot of oars in the water,

2565
01:59:35,560 --> 01:59:38,040
Speaker 3: if that makes any sense. Uh, We're gonna have big,

2566
01:59:38,080 --> 01:59:40,040
Speaker 3: big names to continue to follow this, but for now,

2567
01:59:40,120 --> 01:59:43,000
Speaker 3: do the outlaw Dan Hardy. Hell yeah, you can get

2568
01:59:43,000 --> 01:59:46,520
Speaker 3: your tickets by hitting that QR code right now, and uh,

2569
01:59:46,640 --> 01:59:48,200
Speaker 3: I think you're gonna want to be there. I think

2570
01:59:48,200 --> 01:59:51,560
Speaker 3: there's about four hundred something ticket seats in total that

2571
01:59:51,600 --> 01:59:53,800
Speaker 3: we're trying to sell out. And we're getting really really,

2572
01:59:53,800 --> 01:59:55,480
Speaker 3: we're getting close. Due, We're getting really We're down.

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01:59:55,480 --> 01:59:57,720
Speaker 2: We're down to the final wire here. So we're not

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01:59:57,800 --> 02:00:00,000
Speaker 2: doing a bit like oh, like they're because they're not

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02:00:00,160 --> 02:00:02,240
Speaker 2: a lot of tickets. No, we are. That's the problem.

2576
02:00:02,280 --> 02:00:04,760
Speaker 2: The problem is we want. What we don't want is

2577
02:00:04,760 --> 02:00:06,640
Speaker 2: to get fucking emails from people because I know this

2578
02:00:06,680 --> 02:00:08,320
Speaker 2: is gonna happen, who are like, yeah, I wasn't sure

2579
02:00:08,360 --> 02:00:10,640
Speaker 2: about buying it. Then it sells out and then they're like,

2580
02:00:10,680 --> 02:00:13,760
Speaker 2: well I can't go. Fucking get your tickets now. If

2581
02:00:13,760 --> 02:00:15,760
Speaker 2: you have any interest in going. If you don't, well okay,

2582
02:00:15,800 --> 02:00:18,040
Speaker 2: but if you if you are actually thinking about going,

2583
02:00:18,520 --> 02:00:20,800
Speaker 2: I'm telling you the tickets are there's a good chow.

2584
02:00:20,840 --> 02:00:21,880
Speaker 2: We don't know if they're going to sell out, but

2585
02:00:21,960 --> 02:00:23,480
Speaker 2: you know, you never know, but it seems like it's

2586
02:00:23,480 --> 02:00:26,240
Speaker 2: moving in that direction. Please get your tickets now.

2587
02:00:26,640 --> 02:00:29,400
Speaker 3: I think I have an aggravated your ethrow right now, Luke.

2588
02:00:29,440 --> 02:00:31,160
Speaker 3: So we're gonna put this. We're gonna put the hood

2589
02:00:31,200 --> 02:00:33,280
Speaker 3: on the car here and drive off. Thank you to

2590
02:00:33,320 --> 02:00:35,200
Speaker 3: Mikey more mile he landed the plane, Luke.

2591
02:00:35,360 --> 02:00:37,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, he did spot all the issues with the frame

2592
02:00:37,960 --> 02:00:39,520
Speaker 2: rate and everything. It worked out pretty well.

2593
02:00:39,640 --> 02:00:42,720
Speaker 3: He was like, Sully Sullenberger right there, but you know, maybe.

2594
02:00:42,480 --> 02:00:44,360
Speaker 2: Remember dude, don't log off on this thing. We have

2595
02:00:44,400 --> 02:00:46,240
Speaker 2: to do something, so just he'll he'll end the show.

2596
02:00:46,280 --> 02:00:48,880
Speaker 3: Don't log off the HC level then, Sully. But thank

2597
02:00:48,920 --> 02:00:52,280
Speaker 3: you for watching. Folks YouTube dot com Last Morning Combat

2598
02:00:52,320 --> 02:00:54,600
Speaker 3: for more of our great content, enjoy the fights this

2599
02:00:54,640 --> 02:00:56,640
Speaker 3: weekend Saturday night. Luke Thomas is going to hit you

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02:00:56,720 --> 02:01:00,200
Speaker 3: right in the face, okay, with a instant analysis is

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02:01:00,240 --> 02:01:04,800
Speaker 3: from what goes down in Brazil. Okay, thank you very

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02:01:04,880 --> 02:01:08,960
Speaker 3: much for lt IMBC. Man, this was fun, right, the

2603
02:01:09,000 --> 02:01:12,440
Speaker 3: best two hours of my week. Okay, stay well, be

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02:01:12,600 --> 02:01:13,600
Speaker 3: kind we're out of here.