1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,280 Speaker 1: Welcome to another Nation of the Giants lital podcast, brought 2 00:00:02,279 --> 00:00:04,320 Speaker 1: to you by citizens Official Bank of the Giants, John 3 00:00:04,320 --> 00:00:06,600 Speaker 1: Schmelk Pauldatino in the Hackensack and Marine Hell podcast. 4 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:08,039 Speaker 2: So you'll keep getting better, We. 5 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:10,959 Speaker 1: Go to Indianapolis and the NFL Combine for one of 6 00:00:11,039 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: the great producers in NFL films, executive producer and hosts 7 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: of the NFL Matchup Show, which you can find on 8 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 1: ESPN one and only, great co sal Greg. 9 00:00:19,200 --> 00:00:21,079 Speaker 2: Good to talk to you again, my friend. How are you. 10 00:00:21,800 --> 00:00:24,439 Speaker 3: I'm doing great, guys. Sorry that we're doing it this way, 11 00:00:24,480 --> 00:00:26,759 Speaker 3: but it's always great talking with you guys. Yeah. 12 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 2: Absolutely, and we'll make sure we see in person very soon. Greg. 13 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:31,280 Speaker 2: So let's start here. 14 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:33,600 Speaker 1: Every year, I feel like you're at different places in 15 00:00:33,680 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 1: terms of this draft class. 16 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:36,480 Speaker 2: How much work have you done on this draft class 17 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 2: and where you at? 18 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:40,479 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean not as much as I normally have 19 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:42,720 Speaker 3: by the combine, because I feel like the Super Bowl 20 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 3: just happened yesterday. 21 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 2: It feels that way. 22 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,000 Speaker 3: Yeah. So I mean, you know, because I can't really 23 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 3: start in detail till like mid January. Now I have 24 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 3: a baseline of a lot of guys because what I 25 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:55,240 Speaker 3: do in the summer is I watch about one hundred 26 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:57,360 Speaker 3: and hundred and twenty guys that are likely to be 27 00:00:57,440 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 3: in the next year's draft. Now, usually twenty five thirty 28 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:02,760 Speaker 3: of those guys drop off one way or another. But 29 00:01:03,680 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 3: I've seen a lot of the main guys. You know, 30 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 3: it's not a great draft in my opinion from what 31 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,840 Speaker 3: I've seen so far, certainly at the positions that we're 32 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:15,640 Speaker 3: used to talking about, you know, those sort of main positions, 33 00:01:15,760 --> 00:01:19,320 Speaker 3: the fun positions. I guess you know, this is a 34 00:01:19,400 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 3: draft where I'm hearing from people, and I think the 35 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 3: tape validates it. You know, normally in any given draft 36 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:28,279 Speaker 3: there's probably fifteen to twenty players that have true first 37 00:01:28,440 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 3: round grades. This year, i'm hearing there might be ten 38 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,280 Speaker 3: or eleven that have true first round grades. But of 39 00:01:34,319 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 3: course thirty two guys are going to get drafted in 40 00:01:36,360 --> 00:01:37,040 Speaker 3: the first round. 41 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:40,560 Speaker 4: The Ohio State guys up at the top. 42 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:42,639 Speaker 3: I've done those guys. 43 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:45,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, I figured you had, So I'm gonna ask you 44 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 4: because there's a lot of flavor kinds of preferences here 45 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:53,280 Speaker 4: in terms of how do you rank them and does 46 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 4: the positional value come into play? Can I go right 47 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 4: there to the top handful of Ohio State guys and 48 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 4: ask and how you feel about their translations to the pros. 49 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, those guys I've done so Yeah, you definitely can 50 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 3: do that. 51 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 4: So so so, how how would you rate the most 52 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 4: NFL potentialed in terms of that that cluster of Ohio 53 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 4: State guys. 54 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:20,560 Speaker 3: Well, I mean they're really good players. The question becomes 55 00:02:20,600 --> 00:02:24,359 Speaker 3: deployment in the NFL. Like Caleb Downs is a very 56 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:28,320 Speaker 3: good player, but he's not Nick him and Warrior Derwin James, 57 00:02:28,560 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 3: he's probably and I don't have his numbers right now. 58 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 3: I think dv's go. They work out on tomorrow, right, Yeah, 59 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 3: And I'm sure the numbers are in. I just haven't 60 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 3: seen him. My guess is he's going to be in 61 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 3: the five eleven to six foot range and probably the 62 00:02:44,440 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 3: way you know, one ninety five to two hundred. 63 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: Probably Brian Branch. Brian Branch kind of size, right like 64 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:51,519 Speaker 1: kind of like that that that type of thing. 65 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, and a lot of people see him that way. 66 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 3: The other two names that I thought of when I 67 00:02:56,360 --> 00:02:59,040 Speaker 3: finished his tape and I watched him last summer and 68 00:02:59,160 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 3: this year, I thought of Buddha Baker and Antoine Winfield. 69 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, those are good, and I. 70 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 3: Think he's going to be a really good player. His 71 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 3: tape is fun to watch. He's smart, he's savvy. I 72 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 3: spoke to a coach who told me that his intelligence 73 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 3: was off the charts, So you know, but he's not 74 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 3: Nick Immon Warrior, Derwin James, so you have to know 75 00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 3: what he is. But he's a really, really good football player. 76 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,280 Speaker 1: How about Sonny Styles? The other guy again a non 77 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,119 Speaker 1: premium position, a converted safety. 78 00:03:32,080 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 2: Your thoughts on him? 79 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,200 Speaker 3: Love him? Did him? Last summer before anybody knew about him? 80 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 3: Called up a good friend of mine who worked for 81 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,560 Speaker 3: me years ago on the Matchup show, who's been a 82 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 3: scout in the league for years. I said, hey, he 83 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:48,040 Speaker 3: does the Midwest by the way, I said Sunday Styles. 84 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 3: I said, this guy is phenomenal. He goes, oh yeah, 85 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 3: he is ridiculous. I love Sunny Styles. He's six', three 86 00:03:55,120 --> 00:03:58,520 Speaker 3: probably two forty. Ish he's only in his second year playing. 87 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,840 Speaker 3: Linebacker he was much better this year just in terms 88 00:04:01,880 --> 00:04:05,840 Speaker 3: of how he saw the. POSITION i spoke to A 89 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,840 Speaker 3: gm THAT i know well yesterday who's been in the 90 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:11,440 Speaker 3: league for, years who told me he was the best 91 00:04:11,480 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 3: interview he's ever. Done SO i don't think there's any 92 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:20,280 Speaker 3: negative wards On Sunny. STYLES i think he's a really 93 00:04:20,520 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 3: really good. Prospect AND i underline the word prospect, guys 94 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 3: because these guys have not played in the league. 95 00:04:26,160 --> 00:04:29,719 Speaker 1: Yet now let me ask, you do you Put Carnell 96 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:33,240 Speaker 1: tate in the same category just in terms of quality 97 00:04:33,279 --> 00:04:35,320 Speaker 1: of player as those other two, guys Greg or is 98 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: he on a tier. 99 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:38,600 Speaker 2: A little bit below those guys for? You a little bit? 100 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 3: BELOW i, mean you, know you know, me, GUYS i 101 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 3: don't necessarily make. Lists he'd probably he'd probably be my 102 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 3: number one receiver IF i made a, LIST i. Don't 103 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 3: there's No Jamar chase in this. Draft let's start. There 104 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 3: BUT i Think tate's going to be a solid. Pro you, 105 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:59,040 Speaker 3: KNOW i THINK i asked somebody About tate Versus abuka 106 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 3: who came out last year, here and the feeling, is you, 107 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 3: know they're sort of in the same, box you, know 108 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:06,320 Speaker 3: or the exactly the Same, no but they're kind of 109 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 3: in the same. BOX i, MEAN i Think tate will 110 00:05:08,560 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 3: be a really solid pro. Receiver we get caught up 111 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 3: and who's the number, one who's the number? Two you, 112 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,920 Speaker 3: know who's, This who's? That LIKE i, said there's, No Jamar, 113 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,280 Speaker 3: chase BUT i Think. Tate. Yeah and you know how 114 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 3: THE nfl, Is it depends on the pass. Game you, 115 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,800 Speaker 3: know sometimes a guy could catch ninety, balls but you 116 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 3: would never say, that, oh he's a top three receiver 117 00:05:28,960 --> 00:05:30,840 Speaker 3: in the. League you know he could catch a lot 118 00:05:30,839 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 3: of balls based on the you, know the pass game. 119 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 3: SCHEMATICS i, mean look At Wandell, Robinson Rondelle, robinson you, 120 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 3: know caught a ton of. Balls AND i know he's 121 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 3: a free, agent but no one's gonna say he's a 122 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 3: top three receiver in the. 123 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 4: League Marvil weeks a Guy greg WHO i think de 124 00:05:46,240 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 4: petting upon the scheme and the. Coordinator you may get 125 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 4: max value ahead of, him and maybe you. Won't how 126 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:53,360 Speaker 4: do you see him translating? 127 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 3: Now that Guy paul is a. FREAK i would play 128 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 3: him on the. EDGE i think that that's where he can. 129 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 3: Be you know that's a premium. Position now keep in, mind, 130 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 3: well you you have to have a plan for him 131 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 3: before you draft, him because when you line up your 132 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,599 Speaker 3: first day of OTAs and you know you're in shorts 133 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 3: and A t, shirt you got to put him. Somewhere 134 00:06:15,880 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 3: you can't put him one place On monday another place On, 135 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,240 Speaker 3: tuesday another place On. Wednesday you got to teach him 136 00:06:21,240 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 3: how to play one position in THE, nfl AND i 137 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 3: think his most pactful position as he continues to grow and. 138 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 3: Develop he's twenty years old and is a one year. Starter, 139 00:06:31,520 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 3: OKAY i think as an edge player that he could be, 140 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:40,479 Speaker 3: really really. Disruptive he's got, Power he's he's you, know 141 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 3: is he truly? Bendy maybe, not but boy does he 142 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 3: have power and he is an explosive. Athlete howdle up 143 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 3: get in? 144 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 5: Here if you're lined up, here you got to go 145 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 5: over the middle with at the? Score? 146 00:06:52,480 --> 00:06:55,440 Speaker 3: Great how do we make that? HAPPEN i don't? 147 00:06:55,480 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 5: Know but? Citizens does it makes sense of your money With? 148 00:06:59,120 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 5: Citizens Official bank Of Eli. 149 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 3: Manning. 150 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,320 Speaker 1: YEAH i think if he, DEVELOPS i think you're looking 151 00:07:05,360 --> 00:07:07,720 Speaker 1: at A Will anderson type right in terms of in 152 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:08,720 Speaker 1: terms of how he plays the. 153 00:07:08,760 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 3: POSITION i, MEAN i Almost and, again you, KNOW i 154 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 3: hate making these comparisons because that's all all people think 155 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 3: about instead of going to the context the, nuance which 156 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 3: unfortunately seems to be lost in a lot of conversations these. 157 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 3: Days BUT i MEAN i looked at him AND i 158 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 3: thought that down the road there's A Micah parsons element 159 00:07:27,240 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 3: to his. Game. 160 00:07:28,520 --> 00:07:32,400 Speaker 1: Wow, Interesting, yeah that's that's a big. Name what do 161 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: you think Of Monsieur delayne out OF? Lsu i've done, Him, 162 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: yep what do you? 163 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:41,120 Speaker 3: THINK i like? Him he looks bigger than he. Is 164 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:46,200 Speaker 3: he plays, Long he's very, smooth he's very. Fluid he 165 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 3: has a great feel for. ROUTES i wouldn't call him 166 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:54,400 Speaker 3: sudden and, twitchy but he's he's really a comfortable looking. 167 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:59,600 Speaker 3: ATHLETE i really liked his tape a. Lot you, know, 168 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 3: again the corner, position there's a lot of guys AND 169 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 3: i haven't gotten to those guys yet because corners take 170 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 3: a lot of work to. Do but you, know my 171 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 3: guess is he'll be in the top two or. THREE 172 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 3: i can't imagine many guys that would be, better you, Know, Greg. 173 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,200 Speaker 1: It's, funny by the, Way, paul real, quick it's. Funny 174 00:08:17,520 --> 00:08:20,160 Speaker 1: WHEN i Watched, DELANE i even. Said we Had Dan 175 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:22,200 Speaker 1: brugler on on one of our shows AND i said to, 176 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:24,880 Speaker 1: Him Dave, man you, know he always gets around the 177 00:08:24,920 --> 00:08:27,040 Speaker 1: receivers to knock the ball. Away you, know he plays 178 00:08:27,080 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 1: like you, know he's a long player and he goes you, Know, 179 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 1: john he's only gonna measure with like thirty inch. Arms 180 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,120 Speaker 1: AND i was surprised WHEN i heard, that BECAUSE i 181 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:37,160 Speaker 1: agree with you when you watch, him he plays long. 182 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,439 Speaker 3: And he looks long on, tape like you know WHEN 183 00:08:40,440 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 3: i put the tape. On AND i didn't do him 184 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:44,680 Speaker 3: last year At Virginia, tech but OBVIOUSLY i did him this. 185 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 3: Year you, KNOW i, thought, oh this guy's like six 186 00:08:47,320 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 3: two two oh. FIVE i, agree you, know then WHEN 187 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 3: i looked him, up he's probably gonna be six, feet you, 188 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:54,319 Speaker 3: know one ninety. Five but he plays. 189 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 4: Long, greg the positional value thing has a lot of 190 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 4: people try to push the tackles maybe higher than their 191 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:08,200 Speaker 4: grades should. Be manoah And fano are two guys who 192 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 4: we think are going to be probably the first two tackles. 193 00:09:11,080 --> 00:09:14,839 Speaker 4: Taken but in your, opinion are we looking so much 194 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:18,240 Speaker 4: at projection here and possession of value that we're really 195 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 4: warping their grades a little too? 196 00:09:19,800 --> 00:09:23,800 Speaker 3: Much, WELL i think in this, Draft, paul you're going 197 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:26,560 Speaker 3: to see a lot of guys get, drafted AND i 198 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,520 Speaker 3: think that's true of wide receivers as. Well you're going 199 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 3: to see them drafted in the first round and then 200 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:35,480 Speaker 3: they become first round picks who are probably not guys 201 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:39,720 Speaker 3: that have universal first round, grades you. Know and The miami, 202 00:09:39,840 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 3: kid there's a big conversation about whether he's a tackle 203 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 3: or a, guard you, know AND i bet he gets 204 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 3: a shot of. Tackle but you know That i've had 205 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 3: that discussion with online people who know more THAN i. 206 00:09:51,440 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 3: DO i Did fano last summer AND i kind of 207 00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 3: like the way he. PLAYED i think he needs to get. 208 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 3: Stronger and you, know when you, watch when you determine 209 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 3: whether a guy gets, stronger think of it this. Way 210 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 3: if he does everything right from a technique standpoint and 211 00:10:08,440 --> 00:10:12,640 Speaker 3: he still get shoved, back then it's not likely that 212 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 3: he's gonna be able to really deal with speed to 213 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:19,360 Speaker 3: power in a great. Way if his technique is problematic 214 00:10:19,640 --> 00:10:22,319 Speaker 3: and that's why he gets pushed, back then AN o 215 00:10:22,520 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 3: line coach can probably, say you know, what IF i 216 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:29,080 Speaker 3: fix his, technique then he can be. Better, so you, 217 00:10:29,120 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 3: Know fano needs to be stronger at THE nfl level 218 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 3: and anchor. Better The miami, kid he's built like a. 219 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 3: Guard he's a power. Player, Yeah i'm with. 220 00:10:41,240 --> 00:10:43,160 Speaker 1: You WHEN i watch mymy, NO I i think he's 221 00:10:43,200 --> 00:10:44,599 Speaker 1: gotta built like a guard. Too BUT i, AGREE i 222 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 1: think he'll get a chance out there At Tackle Johns Little. 223 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:49,719 Speaker 1: Podcast it is brought to you By, citizens Official bank 224 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: of The giants From. Gaining they celebrations your everyday financial. 225 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,000 Speaker 1: Needs giant fans get the most out of every moment With. 226 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,320 Speaker 1: Citizens learn more At citizens bank dot com Slash Giants. 227 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: GREG i want to switch here AND i go to THE. 228 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: Nfl no one watches more tape than. You what are 229 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: some of the main, trends both on offense and on, 230 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: defense separate into two parts that you saw develop over 231 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 1: the course of this season in THE nfl that you 232 00:11:12,640 --> 00:11:15,000 Speaker 1: think when teams go back and game plan for next 233 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: season and set up their offense and, defenses that that 234 00:11:17,760 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: part of the game is. 235 00:11:18,960 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 2: Going to be super charged come twenty twenty. 236 00:11:21,280 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 3: Six, well you, know you never know if one year 237 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 3: or even two years signifies a. Trend BUT i think 238 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,760 Speaker 3: you're seeing a couple of things that you're. Seeing you, 239 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:32,839 Speaker 3: know you saw a good amount Of number, one you're 240 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 3: seeing on, defense more and more teams play with what 241 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 3: we call four, across whether you want to call it 242 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 3: quarters cover, four but four across because you, know playing 243 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 3: with a single high safety that's nowhere near as in 244 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 3: vogue as it used to, be because when you play 245 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 3: with four across to take away the, seams and and 246 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 3: that's a big deal because if you want to take 247 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 3: away the seams with single, high you got to do 248 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 3: some things that compromise your. Covering so you're seeing a 249 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 3: lot more for, across, which by the, WAY i think 250 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 3: increases the value of defensive. Tackles but that's a length 251 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 3: to your. Conversation the other thing that you're seeing on 252 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 3: the offensive side is an increased use of what we 253 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 3: would call base. Personnel for years we spoke about THE 254 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 3: nfl being an eleven personnel, league meeting three wide. Receivers 255 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:24,360 Speaker 3: now you're seeing more multiple tight end, sets two and 256 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:28,720 Speaker 3: even three tight, ends, fullbacks some teams playing with six 257 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:32,559 Speaker 3: offensive linemen a good. Amount so those are two things 258 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 3: that immediately come to. Mind you, Know, john when you 259 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 3: asked me about things that are THAT i saw more 260 00:12:38,040 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 3: of this, Year i'm. 261 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,040 Speaker 1: Curious you think defensive tackles are more valuable because you 262 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:43,920 Speaker 1: don't have that extra guy in the box with the 263 00:12:43,960 --> 00:12:46,439 Speaker 1: single high and the safety download, Correct. 264 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 3: Yeah so what happens is you don't have to you 265 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,400 Speaker 3: don't have a safety as a gap player in the run. 266 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 3: Game so now defensive tackles have to deploy a technique 267 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 3: that it's called gap and a half because now they've 268 00:12:59,120 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 3: got to take care of an extra gap because you 269 00:13:02,160 --> 00:13:04,440 Speaker 3: do not have that extra player in the. 270 00:13:04,480 --> 00:13:08,320 Speaker 4: Box, Greg we've been asking a bunch of people about 271 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 4: this offensive coaching mixture That giants. Have you Got, naggie, 272 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 4: right you Got, callahan you Got, roman this meat loaf 273 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:20,120 Speaker 4: of offensive philosophies that's going to be in The giants 274 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 4: coaching room these. Days you STUDY nfl tape more than 275 00:13:24,600 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 4: anybody probably on the. Planet how do you expect that 276 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 4: this meat loaf is going to turn? 277 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:33,560 Speaker 3: Out you, Know, paul that's a hard, question And i'm 278 00:13:33,600 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 3: just being, honest you. KNOW i, mean you, Know i've 279 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 3: been asked here at The combine a lot about Mad. Naggi, 280 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:43,319 Speaker 3: OKAY i can't answer that. QUESTION i mean people will, 281 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 3: say you, know what's it going to look? Like you know? 282 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 3: What you, know what's the game? Play what's the play? 283 00:13:47,640 --> 00:13:50,319 Speaker 3: Calling you, know you'd have to be sitting in those 284 00:13:50,360 --> 00:13:53,199 Speaker 3: meetings to know. That you. KNOW i think what they 285 00:13:53,280 --> 00:13:57,359 Speaker 3: wanted was they probably wanted a good mix of, ideas 286 00:13:57,480 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 3: a good mix of. Concepts i'm. Sure they feel That 287 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 3: Jackson dart and mentally can handle a, lot and they 288 00:14:04,160 --> 00:14:07,960 Speaker 3: want to give him a lot and let him. Grow you, Know, 289 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:12,200 Speaker 3: Callahan Brian callahan has been schooled with a lot of different. 290 00:14:12,240 --> 00:14:16,200 Speaker 3: Quarterbacks he came From Zach, taylor you, know, initially which 291 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,160 Speaker 3: is a lot of the. McVeigh he also worked In 292 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 3: detroit With Matthew, stafford you, know for a number of, 293 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 3: years so you, know he's seen a lot of different 294 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 3: concepts and really good quarterback. Play he knows what it looks. 295 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:32,320 Speaker 3: Like you, Know naggie's been With Andy. Reid don't. Forget 296 00:14:32,360 --> 00:14:34,160 Speaker 3: you can say what you want About, naggie AND i 297 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 3: know there's this sense that he's not a good, coach 298 00:14:36,880 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 3: and no one knows. That that stuff's always easy to, 299 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 3: say but you, know don't. Forget he made the playoffs 300 00:14:41,800 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 3: with The bears With Mitch. Trubisky SO i, mean you, 301 00:14:44,720 --> 00:14:48,520 Speaker 3: KNOW i don't know the answer to that question other 302 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 3: than there's going to, be you, know a good influx 303 00:14:51,960 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 3: of ideas AND i think you want. That and my 304 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 3: guess is they believe That Jackson dart can handle all. 305 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,760 Speaker 3: That if you want to know how to manage two, 306 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 3: many it's a crunch time. Football i'm your. 307 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 5: Man but if you're wondering about a long term financial, 308 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:05,240 Speaker 5: plan you should talk To. 309 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,960 Speaker 3: Citizens, HEY i can also talk long. Care i'd like 310 00:15:07,960 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 3: to learn About amillia. Routine, YES i KNEW i. 311 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 5: Could help make sense of your money With. Citizens, yeah 312 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 5: let's look to the defensive. 313 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: SIDE i, Think, greg what do you think we're gonna 314 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: get From Denard wilson based on what you saw from 315 00:15:19,200 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: In tennessee over the last couple of years and obviously 316 00:15:22,920 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: his year before. 317 00:15:23,920 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 2: That playing In baltimore on The mike. 318 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:29,880 Speaker 3: McDonald denard's a fascinating. Guy they didn't blitz very much In, 319 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 3: tennessee but that's because their corner were not very. 320 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: Good, yeah because he was Under Todd bowles And Greg 321 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 1: williams and those guys used to blitz all the. 322 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 3: TIME i was gonna say, THAT i think deep down 323 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 3: he would like to do, That but you, know you 324 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 3: have to play to your personnel and then you have 325 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 3: to decide with the. Giants and he'll decide, this you, 326 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 3: know whether he feels good about his, corners, because LIKE i, 327 00:15:51,320 --> 00:15:54,640 Speaker 3: said In, tennessee they were playing with backups street free 328 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 3: agents at. Corner SO i mean he just didn't feel 329 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 3: comfortable with. Pressure BUT i think deep down he would 330 00:16:00,520 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 3: like to. PRESSURE i can tell you one thing about The, 331 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:05,280 Speaker 3: nard BECAUSE i know him is. Man he holds guys. 332 00:16:05,280 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 3: Accountable there's no bds With Lenard. Wilson you'll see, it you, 333 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 3: know once he gets. STARTED i, mean this guy is. 334 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,640 Speaker 3: Serious you, know he loves, ball he lives. BALL i 335 00:16:15,680 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 3: mean he will hold guys accountable in a big. 336 00:16:18,040 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 4: Way greg the optimist and the guy who's going to 337 00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:24,080 Speaker 4: hold out a bunch of, hope, says you, Know hawball's in. 338 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 4: Here giants won four games last, year but they underachieved 339 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:29,880 Speaker 4: in a lot of, ways and there's more talent on 340 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 4: the roster than people. Think in, fact Pal ball said 341 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 4: that as one of the reasons why he came. Here 342 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 4: Obviously dart was the league guy that he talked. About 343 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,720 Speaker 4: your estimation because you've seen the whole league time and time. 344 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 4: Again where's The giants' roster in terms of this, division 345 00:16:45,000 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 4: THE Nfc? East how close are they Is? 346 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 2: Hawball? 347 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:51,040 Speaker 4: Really is he that far out of? Whack what he 348 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 4: says he wants to be able to try to win right? 349 00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 3: Away, WELL i, can't you. Know now that's the off Season. 350 00:16:56,720 --> 00:17:00,760 Speaker 3: PAUL i can't remember the Entire giants, roster, ye BUT 351 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:04,040 Speaker 3: i think he's there because of the, quarterback BECAUSE i 352 00:17:04,040 --> 00:17:06,640 Speaker 3: think the belief is That Jackson, dart you, know will 353 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:08,439 Speaker 3: be a good. Player no, one no, ONE i, think 354 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 3: can sit here and say he's going to be this 355 00:17:10,040 --> 00:17:13,600 Speaker 3: or that, exactly BUT i think he showed enough that 356 00:17:13,680 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 3: you feel like he's going to be a QUALITY nfl. 357 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 3: Quarterback and you, know from WHAT i, understand he's a 358 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 3: pretty sharp. Kid so you, KNOW i Think tarbo went 359 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:27,280 Speaker 3: somewhere where he feels that if there's kind of normal quarterback, 360 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 3: development that that gives you a chance to win. Games, 361 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:33,960 Speaker 3: now you, know no one's going to predict fourteen and 362 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,440 Speaker 3: three or anything like, that BUT i think the feeling 363 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:40,160 Speaker 3: would be, that, hey If dart continues to, Develop you've 364 00:17:40,160 --> 00:17:43,960 Speaker 3: got two veteran offensive coaches In naggie And callahan that 365 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:48,639 Speaker 3: this team can you, know. Compete whatever that means in 366 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 3: the context of number, one the division where The eagles 367 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 3: have made significant, changes that is that are total unknown right, 368 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 3: now you know that they can compete in the. Division 369 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:02,280 Speaker 3: whether that, means you, know eight, wins nine, wins twelve, 370 00:18:02,320 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 3: wins we can't. Answer that now late In, february but you, 371 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 3: KNOW i think he's there because the. 372 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 4: Quarterback AND i Know greg that you haven't had time 373 00:18:11,320 --> 00:18:14,280 Speaker 4: with darn but just looking at the film from what 374 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 4: you saw On giants' tape last, year what made you 375 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 4: the most optimistic about him and what did you want 376 00:18:21,200 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 4: to see him clean? 377 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:25,880 Speaker 3: Up, WELL i, think as is the case with many 378 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 3: quarterbacks who can, run what you've got to clean up 379 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,679 Speaker 3: is you've got to get him to understand that to 380 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:35,919 Speaker 3: run the past game and to you, know execute it 381 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:38,439 Speaker 3: the way it's meant to be. Executed quarterbacks that can 382 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:41,440 Speaker 3: run tend to leave the pocket too, early and they 383 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 3: all do, that and he did that and obviously we 384 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 3: saw that he got. Hurt that's going to have to. 385 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 3: Change that's not. Profound everybody knows. That i'm sure it's 386 00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 3: been talked about it a thousand. Times the one THING 387 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,120 Speaker 3: i think that he really needs to do a better job, 388 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 3: of and you, know now you get into coaching and 389 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,760 Speaker 3: now you get into whether he's he can do, it 390 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 3: is he just needs to the field quicker and, better 391 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,200 Speaker 3: because that means the ball will come out, quicker and 392 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 3: that's something that you can help them with to a certain. 393 00:19:09,440 --> 00:19:13,880 Speaker 3: Point some quarterbacks then develop. It other quarterbacks. Don't they 394 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:16,320 Speaker 3: just don't see the. Field, well no matter, what you, 395 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,359 Speaker 3: know the hope IS i think he's capable of. IT 396 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 3: i think there were flashes of, it but he definitely 397 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 3: needs to be able to do that with far more 398 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 3: understanding and. 399 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 1: Clarity, greg you're. Awesome tell the folks what's up. TO 400 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: i know you've been kind of a constant guest on 401 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: a couple. Pods anything you have going on that you 402 00:19:34,600 --> 00:19:36,000 Speaker 1: want the fans to know, About. 403 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:39,159 Speaker 3: Well right, Now i'm just in draft, mode you, Know, 404 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 3: John i'm just you, know it's. FUNNY i can't watch tape. 405 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:44,439 Speaker 3: Here you. Know the days are long and busy and, 406 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,480 Speaker 3: fun BUT i can't wait to get back in my 407 00:19:46,560 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 3: office At films On monday and Then i'm just gonna 408 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 3: be grinding until the draft And i'm really looking forward 409 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 3: to doing. 410 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,840 Speaker 1: That, yeah, well we're doing exactly the, Same, Greg let's 411 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: catch up before the. 412 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 2: Draft always appreciate joining, Us thank you so. 413 00:19:57,440 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 3: Much take care all, right, guys appreciate. It, guys thank. 414 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: You looking for more than just to ticket elevate experiences 415 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: DELIVERS vip access to the world's biggest. 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