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Speaker 1: Revere, Revere Dalks.

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Speaker 2: Look at this now, tip to tip. This is our life,

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Speaker 2: this is our passion. That's the spirit we bring to

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Speaker 2: this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning Combat. Well well, well look what the

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Speaker 1: cat dragged in. Oh, I know what it is. It's

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Speaker 1: full strength Morning Combat. Hello everyone on this twenty fourth

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Speaker 1: of August twenty twenty two. Yes, I am back. Hello,

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Speaker 1: merely one half of your hosting duo. My name is

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Speaker 1: Luke Thomas. I am joined with you today with my

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Speaker 1: editorial hetero life. Mate. He is the King of Connecticut.

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Speaker 1: He's got a weird smirk on his face. He's probably

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Speaker 1: tired of his balls. We're having to carry the show

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Speaker 1: for so long, but no longer. The rest is over

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Speaker 1: for me. The work is back. That's Brian Campbell, Hello BC.

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 2: Uh? Luke, welcome back. Glad to hear you had a

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Speaker 2: great time. I didn't know if you were coming back, Luke.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna be honest, okay, I know when you combine

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Speaker 2: you know, BBLS and the and you know, I thought

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Speaker 2: it was going to be the Luke Thomas Live Show

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Speaker 2: for the rest of the rest of my life here,

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Speaker 2: but you're back. Uh you said, this is not going

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Speaker 2: be you know, super charged. Did you sprinkle a little

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Speaker 2: cocaine leaves on top from from the mainland? Luke?

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Speaker 1: Did you you could? You couldn't make it one minute

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Speaker 2: Huh no, No, Look, it's a it's a natural product

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Speaker 1: I mean, just it ish. No, I didn't need the

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Speaker 1: coca leaves because I was on sea level. I was

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Speaker 1: in Carta Heina, Columbia, Cardi Gina for everyone else and

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Speaker 1: uh so, no, you don't need that kind of stuff there.

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Speaker 2: Well, you know they did legalize they legalized the the

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Speaker 2: Booger sugar while you were there, Luke.

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Speaker 1: No, no, no, they didn't legalize it. Petro who's the president,

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Speaker 1: good idea, I can tell you that much. How are

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Speaker 1: you BC. I know your back must be hurting from

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Speaker 1: all the labor you've had to endure, which I want

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Speaker 1: to let me just say this to start the show,

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Speaker 1: because whenever one of us goes, it's always a hassle

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Speaker 1: for the other one that stays. But that's life because

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Speaker 1: people have to, you know, go live their lives outside

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Speaker 1: the show. But it just so happened that I went

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Speaker 1: on vacation at like the worst possible time for BC

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Speaker 1: because there was last I mean, there's all kinds of

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Speaker 1: he had to do stuff for CBS Sports. There was

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Speaker 1: and there was Bellator that I missed. On top of that, dude,

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Speaker 1: with Keith Thurman down in Florida. My friend, I have

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Speaker 1: as your friend, thank you, my friend, thank you very much, or.

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Speaker 2: Some sugar on me in the name of love, thank you, Luke.

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Speaker 2: I will use this moment to pat myself on the back.

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Speaker 2: Fit if we could be, if I could be knighted

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Speaker 2: Welshman Honorary Welshman. That would be great, but Luke is

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Speaker 2: as as much as I want to gloat of my

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Speaker 2: couple months, Hey, Towey, it's it's Hardy. Let's bang, yeah.

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Speaker 1: Bro Bro. From September, and not every month evenly, but

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Speaker 2: And final question on your vacation, how dark were your sunglasses?

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Speaker 2: To keep away the idea of like there's bbls, I

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Speaker 1: And dude, the gyms, the bodybuilding gyms in Colombia, the

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Speaker 1: was like my Instagram search parameters all in one room.

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Speaker 1: The gym there, the gym culture is totally different. The

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Speaker 2: Yeah, ud, But does it does the transaction end in

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Speaker 2: victory for those guys? Yeah? Probably, Luke, Okay, probably.

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Speaker 1: They're not very by why they're not very well built

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Speaker 2: Let me tell you, Wow, it's a good aggressive start

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Speaker 2: for m K. But finally, Luke, and this is the

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Speaker 2: We got a lot done. So this family that we're building,

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Speaker 2: you know, Shaq, this family that we're building, it's unstoppable.

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Speaker 1: Okay, it is. They did a great job as well.

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Speaker 1: I saw the Demetrius Johnson you sit down, you guys

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Speaker 1: So he fights Friday. He fights Friday at evening. So

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Speaker 1: we have a lot to get to, all right. As

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Speaker 2: Bomber jacket sison is upon us, Luke. So here's the deal.

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Speaker 2: I want to let people know because you know, oh,

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Speaker 1: I'll say this, My wife likes all the shirts and

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Speaker 1: You know what can I say Athletic Greens. I mean

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Speaker 1: they keep us healthy, they keep us regular, they keep

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I actually love it the best on

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Speaker 2: the road, Luke, because sometimes that's when you can't always

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Speaker 2: my day with that one green magical scoop. I feel

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Speaker 2: clean because that's what it tastes like. Mild tropical taste,

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Speaker 2: but I'm getting there with ag one certainly am.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, like I mentioned, we took the packets,

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Speaker 1: I was able to travel with the BC. How about that? Oh,

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Speaker 1: and so how about this. It'll cost you less than

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Speaker 1: it's cheaper than your stupid colebrew have at BC.

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Speaker 2: And you know, I won't get into details, but there's

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Speaker 2: been twice in my own household over the past year

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Speaker 2: I can't believe you didn't get sick, and I go,

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Speaker 2: I can't really explain it, but you know, I'm putting

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Speaker 2: that green scoop in every morning, So why don't you

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Speaker 2: do the math?

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Speaker 1: That's right. Athletic Greens has over seven thousand and five

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Speaker 2: I mean, if you can't trust those two guys, you

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Speaker 1: show off JA. Yeah, all right, topic number one. While

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Speaker 2: one way traffic the whole way. And then the big

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00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,919
Speaker 2: moment this is this was different, but that that was

430
00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,239
Speaker 2: like a like a moment in like regular news, not

431
00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:17,399
Speaker 2: just sports, when Rowsey lost that, you know what I'm saying.

432
00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that was so huge. And then here's

433
00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:21,280
Speaker 1: the other part. I didn't watch it live, so I

434
00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,919
Speaker 1: have a I don't know how to appreciate it in

435
00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,119
Speaker 1: the same kind of way. I mean, that's that's really

436
00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:28,800
Speaker 1: one of those fights where you just have to be

437
00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:31,040
Speaker 1: there lived, I think, and while at least watching it

438
00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:33,880
Speaker 1: live to get the full appreciation of it, so I could.

439
00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:35,560
Speaker 1: It's it's a little hard for me to answer that.

440
00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,240
Speaker 1: To me, I watched Silva son in One live and

441
00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,720
Speaker 1: I remember thinking this was over for Anderson. It had

442
00:20:41,800 --> 00:20:43,520
Speaker 1: come and then to put in the triangle last minute

443
00:20:43,520 --> 00:20:45,000
Speaker 1: when he was beat up and his knees were fucked

444
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,919
Speaker 1: and everything else. That's a hard moment to beat, but

445
00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,000
Speaker 1: it's it's it. And again, the rowsy thing was one

446
00:20:51,040 --> 00:20:55,399
Speaker 1: way traffic, but she was such a towering figure that

447
00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:58,680
Speaker 1: it was this crumbling of an edifice in the most mind.

448
00:20:58,720 --> 00:21:00,320
Speaker 1: I mean, it was a true implosion in that way.

449
00:21:00,560 --> 00:21:02,840
Speaker 1: Here's what I'll say about what it means for Leon Edwards.

450
00:21:03,320 --> 00:21:08,080
Speaker 1: Show me any Leon Edwards press conference moment, Show me

451
00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:11,520
Speaker 1: anything he's ever posted by himself on social media, Show

452
00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,760
Speaker 1: me any interview he's ever done. None of them will

453
00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:16,840
Speaker 1: show you as much about who he is as that

454
00:21:16,920 --> 00:21:19,960
Speaker 1: post fight interview with Joe Rogan where he honestly says

455
00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:21,400
Speaker 1: the same thing over and over, look at me, now,

456
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:23,439
Speaker 1: look at me now. We talked about being from the

457
00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:24,360
Speaker 1: trenches and everything else.

458
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:24,640
Speaker 2: Dude.

459
00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:28,639
Speaker 1: He showed more emotion, more life in terms of like

460
00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:31,879
Speaker 1: a he's not a very talkative guy, right, he showed

461
00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 1: you the inside of who he was, something I think

462
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,760
Speaker 1: he'd kept guarded for a very long time in ways

463
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 1: that was very brand new, and I think that's what

464
00:21:39,040 --> 00:21:41,000
Speaker 1: people respond to. People I don't think he had made

465
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:44,000
Speaker 1: a lot of connection to Leon And it wasn't just

466
00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:47,720
Speaker 1: the major achievement, it was the outpouring of you know, dude,

467
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 1: you could see him the years of difficulty wearing on

468
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:54,200
Speaker 1: him and everything else, like he came to life in

469
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:56,679
Speaker 1: a certain way that he never had in his entire

470
00:21:56,840 --> 00:22:00,000
Speaker 1: career after that knockout. I think that's what people are

471
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,280
Speaker 1: resonate with him. I'm gonna be honest, I felt that too.

472
00:22:02,440 --> 00:22:04,280
Speaker 2: I felt that too, and I like that he's getting

473
00:22:04,320 --> 00:22:06,479
Speaker 2: this love, not only publicly, but on this show. Some

474
00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:09,720
Speaker 2: people didn't love that. Rashad was on Monday Show, and

475
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,520
Speaker 2: you know, his perspective was completely different. He was in

476
00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 2: the front row sitting with the Usmann family when the

477
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:17,880
Speaker 2: knockout happened as a friend of Kamorrow. So I get that.

478
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:20,120
Speaker 2: I think you know, Rashad also delivered, by the way,

479
00:22:20,160 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 2: so you can.

480
00:22:20,520 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 1: Back the hell off, but deliver.

481
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:25,480
Speaker 2: I mean, come on, you know, you know, if you

482
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,000
Speaker 2: want to, if if you're gonna lick a toad and

483
00:22:27,040 --> 00:22:30,520
Speaker 2: you can choose one, Shaman Luke, you're going with Rashot.

484
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:31,640
Speaker 1: Right right, big time.

485
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Speaker 2: Uh yeah. So it's good to see Rocky get this

486
00:22:34,320 --> 00:22:37,000
Speaker 2: moment completely. I probably had something else in my head.

487
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 2: I was going to transition to Luke with that moment.

488
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about that comin event. I'd be curious. I

489
00:22:40,880 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 1: have not heard what you had to say about the

490
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Speaker 1: co main event. I know some people had a weird

491
00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:48,320
Speaker 1: feeling about it. I've seen we're talking about Luke rock

492
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Speaker 1: Hold and Paulo Costa. I will tell you, and I've

493
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,159
Speaker 1: been thinking about this a little bit. Yes, that was

494
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,360
Speaker 1: in many I gotta tell you, BC, I had two

495
00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 1: feelings about it. On the one hand, it's one of

496
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Speaker 1: the worst performances I've ever seen from Luke Rockold right

497
00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:04,159
Speaker 1: in terms of just overall skill for folks. I mean,

498
00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:06,960
Speaker 1: I realize, you know, you want to see skill from

499
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:10,000
Speaker 1: Luke Rockold, go watch the first Michael Bisping fight. That

500
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:12,600
Speaker 1: is Luke Rockhold in full Yeah, and that.

501
00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 2: Is the.

502
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:16,679
Speaker 1: Fight, yes, where he takes the back and beat the

503
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,080
Speaker 1: living shit out of him. I mean he for you know,

504
00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 1: what made Luke Rockold special was you know, obviously you

505
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:23,800
Speaker 1: have a certain look, but you know, just getting down

506
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,439
Speaker 1: to brass tacks, he was highly skilled, highly skilled, he

507
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 1: could strike, he was athletic, he had phenomenal jiu jitsu, right,

508
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: he could really do a lot. This fight with with

509
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:37,159
Speaker 1: Paulo didn't showcase really hardly any of that, but I

510
00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:38,960
Speaker 1: will tell you what it did look like to me.

511
00:23:39,520 --> 00:23:43,960
Speaker 1: Okay uh. And again this is not a totalizing comparison,

512
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,760
Speaker 1: but people were wondering why was he smearing the blood

513
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,679
Speaker 1: and why was he doing all this other stuff? To me,

514
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,680
Speaker 1: you're talking about Leon Edwards and his triumph there after

515
00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: all the difficulty. Luke Rockol was in a similar kind

516
00:23:56,320 --> 00:23:58,199
Speaker 1: of position. But I think he knew that he was,

517
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,200
Speaker 1: you know, on the way out of the sport. Probably.

518
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 1: I don't think he just retired on a whim. Uh.

519
00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 1: It felt to me like in the movie Forrest Gump

520
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,640
Speaker 1: when Lieutenant Dan tries to fight the storm and has

521
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,520
Speaker 1: this like cathartic moment about the whole thing.

522
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,640
Speaker 2: To me, it was almost like for after he lost

523
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,400
Speaker 2: his legs, Luke spoiler alert, Well.

524
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,119
Speaker 1: I think it's after he lost his legs. It was

525
00:24:19,160 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 1: in the It was it was in the storm where

526
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,920
Speaker 1: he was trying to deal with the trauma that it

527
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: happened to him, right, And the whole point was you

528
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 1: can't beat the storm, but you can beat your demons.

529
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 1: And I think Luke Rockhold was trying to exercise, exercise

530
00:24:32,040 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: some demons that he had been dealing with about three

531
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,720
Speaker 1: years off and getting viciously knocked out. Remember Yan Blohovich

532
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 1: broke his jaw, and he had all kinds of other

533
00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,040
Speaker 1: knee injuries and everything else, and and the self doubt

534
00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:44,800
Speaker 1: and what was going to happen. I think it was

535
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:48,480
Speaker 1: a giant like him getting that off of his the weight,

536
00:24:48,600 --> 00:24:51,120
Speaker 1: so to speak, off of his shoulders. And so if

537
00:24:51,160 --> 00:24:54,720
Speaker 1: it viewed as a cathartic moment, it actually brings me,

538
00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:57,399
Speaker 1: to be honest, a little bit of joy. But you know,

539
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 1: he is so not reminiscent of the guy that he

540
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:03,320
Speaker 1: once was. I was very very glad and frankly, you know,

541
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,840
Speaker 1: he's got other opportunities outside the octagon. I was glad

542
00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,639
Speaker 1: to see him retired, and I think it's time to

543
00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 1: go to He did some great things.

544
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 2: He did, but like he needed that moment internally, as

545
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:18,080
Speaker 2: you're mentioning, no question, but I think, like his how

546
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:20,439
Speaker 2: are you going to remember Luke rock Hold? This is

547
00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 2: the ultimate bow on top of the package. Because Luke

548
00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:25,480
Speaker 2: the second half of his career, which featured so many

549
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,360
Speaker 2: spectacular losses and time off and you know, public spats

550
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 2: and all that stuff. You know, it's easy to hate

551
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 2: a guy like that who's got swagger and like that.

552
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:36,080
Speaker 2: I don't think he was beloved yet he did like

553
00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,439
Speaker 2: the ultimate babyface turn if this was pro wrestling, to

554
00:25:39,520 --> 00:25:42,280
Speaker 2: not just the fans, but to Dana White, who afterwards Luke.

555
00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 2: I mean, they'd been fighting all week over fighter pay,

556
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:46,359
Speaker 2: in the back and forth comments, and Dan's just like,

557
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 2: I'm never going to say a bad thing about him again.

558
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 2: I mean, that's the ultimate way to make everybody happy.

559
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 2: And he seemed to fix whatever doubts or you know,

560
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:56,440
Speaker 2: with all the injuries and all the doubt of him

561
00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 2: ever competing on a high level again. And yeah, it

562
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 2: was a batshit crazy. It wasn't a good performance. He

563
00:26:01,760 --> 00:26:05,000
Speaker 2: almost gassed out after rounds one and two, but somehow

564
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 2: that just it just fueled what this kind of bizarre

565
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:12,920
Speaker 2: fight was like to watch. I mean, this was ultimate

566
00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 2: weird theater that does not happen in twenty twenty two.

567
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,119
Speaker 2: Like people don't go out like this. This was a

568
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,520
Speaker 2: victory for rock Hold, and how it's publicly perceived, you

569
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 2: know what I mean, And it's I don't know, it's

570
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 2: freaking wild, dude.

571
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:30,160
Speaker 1: The fact that he lasted, you know, and he again

572
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: he didn't look great. I mean, Luke rock Hole was

573
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:33,600
Speaker 1: a guy. I want to be very clear about this one.

574
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,280
Speaker 1: He was in his prime, his very top days. He

575
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: was just known as a very smooth, multi dimensional operator.

576
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: This was very much the opposite of that. But but

577
00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: lasting the full three as painful and as exhausting as

578
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,080
Speaker 1: it looked, I think that was kind of important for him.

579
00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 1: I think it says a lot about why he was there,

580
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 1: which was again just to just kind of give a

581
00:26:54,840 --> 00:26:58,080
Speaker 1: fuck you to everything that had tormented him up to

582
00:26:58,160 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: that point, and to then finally, you know, to not

583
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,199
Speaker 1: succumb to everything. I just it seems to me like

584
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 1: he felt like he was trapped under a sheet of ice,

585
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 1: whether it was injury or you know, promotional this, or

586
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 1: you know who the hell knows all the different things

587
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: he's dealt with. To me, him lasting the full distance

588
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 1: was his way of, you know, planting his flag at

589
00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: the top of Killiman Jarrow and saying I made it,

590
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:23,080
Speaker 1: and good for him. I'm really glad he got that opportunity,

591
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 1: but it is time to go.

592
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:26,520
Speaker 2: I got two things quickly to ask you about this

593
00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:29,840
Speaker 2: Number one. You referenced Lieutenant Dan Earlier from Forrest COUMP

594
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,119
Speaker 2: given his service, the ultimate service to our country and

595
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:35,679
Speaker 2: the likely PTSD he was suffering in that wheelchair. Do

596
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 2: you judge him morally for his love of prostitutes?

597
00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:42,320
Speaker 1: Luke, I gotta tell you, if you want to judge

598
00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,720
Speaker 1: the troops for their love of prostitutes, there's not many

599
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 1: of them. You're going to leve.

600
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 2: Okay, here you go. Here's some inside baseball for you

601
00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 2: and number two, Luke, this was a big day for

602
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:55,479
Speaker 2: the Tukes today, right, huge day for the Tukes.

603
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 1: Yes, Turkey is not here right now because she is

604
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:02,880
Speaker 1: at preschool. She today was her first day of preschool.

605
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: She was a little bit nerviolso, but also pretty happy,

606
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:10,800
Speaker 1: and we haven't gotten a call from the school yet

607
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 1: telling us she's in hysterics.

608
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,879
Speaker 2: So I'm excited for her. I know this meant a

609
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 2: lot to Buela and the family. I'm really excited for

610
00:28:17,160 --> 00:28:20,840
Speaker 2: you guys. But if the NLK boys surprised her with

611
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,360
Speaker 2: a gift of a luchador mask, would you go all

612
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 2: Luke rock hold on them. I gotta tell hispanic misappropriation.

613
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, I gotta tell you that was bad form on

614
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 1: the Milk Boys. Here's the thing. Do I think that

615
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 1: they were in trying to insult Chieto Vera or trying

616
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: to insult Latinos or anything I like that. No, I

617
00:28:42,120 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 1: don't believe that. I don't think that was ever in

618
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 1: their mind. But it's just one of those moments where

619
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,440
Speaker 1: you're so fucking clueless you don't realize what you're doing.

620
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 1: And let's be honest, I've had a few of those

621
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: moments in my life, not all of them were caught

622
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: on camera, and so you know, I'm not going to

623
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: sit here and beat them up in that kind of

624
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,920
Speaker 1: way where let he who is without sindcast the first time,

625
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 1: as you know what I say all the time. But

626
00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: what I will say is, you know, why the fuck

627
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,440
Speaker 1: would you ask an Ecuadorian guy, whether he's in San

628
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: Diego or not, to put on something that is very

629
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: much uniquely part of Mexican culture. It's because you don't

630
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:16,560
Speaker 1: really understand or appreciate the differences between these people whatsoever.

631
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: And so you know, I have seen, I have seen

632
00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 1: my wife. I've literally I've born witness to this where

633
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: someone has asked my wife where she's from, and she'll

634
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:28,080
Speaker 1: say Columbia. And I watched it with my own eyes.

635
00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:32,440
Speaker 1: At a work event, someone told her I really love tacos.

636
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,080
Speaker 1: I heard it. I heard it, dude. You know what

637
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,680
Speaker 1: sucks in Colombia tacos. They make the worst fucking tacos

638
00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:40,960
Speaker 1: on earth. It's not what they do. It's got nothing

639
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,600
Speaker 1: to do with them. And it's only because you just

640
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 1: sort of see these people as a monolith. So what

641
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:47,800
Speaker 1: I don't think is a good idea is just to

642
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,239
Speaker 1: beat them up ad nauseum. But this should be very

643
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 1: much a reflective moment for them to realize you've got

644
00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: some learning about the world to do. And Luke rock

645
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: Hold was right to call them out.

646
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: Well, I don't even know if like they knew or

647
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 2: like they I have been ignorant to the level they're

648
00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,040
Speaker 2: just like, oh, this could be a fun gag. Let's

649
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:06,000
Speaker 2: let's put this on like either way, it's ignorant, Luke.

650
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 2: But it was just weird to see Luke Rockold like

651
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 2: pull up arms over it, you know what I mean.

652
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a question. Do you think he

653
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 1: was sober when he made that speech? I don't know.

654
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 2: I don't know anymore. Luke, I don't try to judge

655
00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 2: for sobriety anymore worse things.

656
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: First, who the hell knows if he was like on

657
00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: weed or you know, sober, And I'm not judging him

658
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,360
Speaker 1: for like, you know, who cares at this point, right,

659
00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: But the reality is this. I bet Cheeto Vera came

660
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: to him and said something about it. Dude. It fucking

661
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,160
Speaker 1: clearly bothered him. It bothered me.

662
00:30:33,240 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 2: No, he loves Cheeto and I love their bromance. But yeah, bro,

663
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,240
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, you know, he who has

664
00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,280
Speaker 2: the first watermelon vape cast the first stone at another

665
00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 2: man for being I.

666
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: Got candy, I got rainbow candy vape here today? How

667
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:48,320
Speaker 1: about that? Wow?

668
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: That has low class as a That's like, that's great, Luke.

669
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,360
Speaker 2: That is you know what I mean? That's just wow? Yeah,

670
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 2: I mean, why don't you just dip a foot long

671
00:30:59,160 --> 00:30:59,920
Speaker 2: and a beer, Luke?

672
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 1: Great, dude, we should do the Glizzi beer thing on Friday.

673
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 1: But okay, that aside very quickly the Aldo fight, I

674
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: wonder what you make of that. My only takeaway from

675
00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: it is Aldo was clearly feeling the altitude. This is

676
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 1: the first thing I would say, and the second thing

677
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 1: I would say, is dude, that was I There was

678
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,760
Speaker 1: a moment in time where Aldo was happy to just

679
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: win fights right around the Korean zombie Lamas fight ish

680
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: in that territory, and I distinctly, distinctly remember people asking

681
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: him media ask him, did you think that fight was close?

682
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 1: Because a lot of us did in certain cases, and

683
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:37,520
Speaker 1: he'd be like, no, I wasn't close at all, Like

684
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:39,680
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, why didn't you do more? I didn't

685
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: need to. It was that guy. It was that guy

686
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:45,080
Speaker 1: all over again. He felt like, yeah, he was doing

687
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:46,720
Speaker 1: And by the way, I think, I think he won

688
00:31:46,760 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: the first round. I think there's a case to give

689
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 1: him the second, but he clearly lost the third, and

690
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 1: the second round was close, like tough shit, dude. The

691
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: other guy didn't get a takedown, but he did a

692
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: lot more work.

693
00:31:57,720 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 2: I don't I don't agree that he's playing the Juan

694
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 2: Manuel Marquez card of I've never lost like I should

695
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 2: have won. I was up three to nothing. I think

696
00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:07,320
Speaker 2: he I think the altitude. I think that the altude

697
00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:08,680
Speaker 2: is a great thing again to bring up, and people

698
00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:10,760
Speaker 2: keep dm MEBC, how come you guys aren't talking about

699
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 2: the altitude. I think there's enough of a pattern here

700
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:15,440
Speaker 2: where I think Josie Alta, who not only was gonna

701
00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 2: have to use most of his guest tank if he

702
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 2: was going to keep Morob off of plan A to

703
00:32:20,160 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 2: wrestle him, I think he threw everything he had Luke

704
00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,520
Speaker 2: into keeping his back off the ground, and there just

705
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 2: wasn't enough left and the altitude hit him, and I

706
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 2: think it just got to a point where that was

707
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,640
Speaker 2: gonna be the best most professional performance although can do

708
00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 2: at this age, this altitude, this weight class with a

709
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 2: guy non stop trying to take you to the ground.

710
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 2: I mean it was a herculean effort. He basically pitched

711
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 2: a no hitter there, but didn't score any runs. You

712
00:32:44,200 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 2: can pitch a no hitter and lose, by the way

713
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:48,120
Speaker 2: in baseball. I mean, it was one of those situations, Luke,

714
00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 2: where yeah, it's tough because he fought great, but he

715
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 2: was missing that sauce that separates regular meat from looking

716
00:32:56,520 --> 00:33:00,280
Speaker 2: and sounding like every other damn talk show, Luke, you know, yeah.

717
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: I mean also, that fight was what we thought it

718
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: was elevation, notwithstanding because we did miss that. I think

719
00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: in our pre fight analysis we didn't give it enough consideration.

720
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: But what I will say is we knew it was

721
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: going to be like workhorse versus skilled fighter, and just

722
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: you didn't know where it was gonna give. The altitude

723
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 1: played I think a pretty significant role in that contest.

724
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,640
Speaker 1: But you know, Aldos looked like he was rolling on

725
00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,280
Speaker 1: the ground and like looking up, like in disbelief. Yes,

726
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: there was one thirty twenty seven scorecard which I thought

727
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 1: was indefensible. I don't know how you could give Morob

728
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: the first, but like there was I got, I got.

729
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: That was the first time I'd seen Aldo since maybe

730
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 1: the Korean Zombie or the Lamas fight, where he was

731
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 1: like what do you mean? I of course I won

732
00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 1: every round? Like how could this be? There was a

733
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,320
Speaker 1: there was a twinge of that kind of hanging on

734
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: to me. But you know, here's the thing. It's like

735
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 1: Morob stock. It's a nice win. Okay, you beat Aldo,

736
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 1: but his stock didn't go up a ton. I feel like,

737
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: or as much as you might imagine with a win

738
00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: over Aldo. Conversely, I don't know how much Aldo's stock

739
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 1: really takes a hit by the rankings position will be affected,

740
00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: But in terms of how we think about them, I

741
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: think you would agree, right, BCE. Not a whole lot

742
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:13,360
Speaker 1: changes that equation.

743
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 2: It's very grey. The area is very gray here. I

744
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:20,080
Speaker 2: don't think all those reputation or even his standing takes

745
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 2: a huge hit, except for the obvious fact that three

746
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 2: wins in a row had him on a track toward

747
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 2: a potential title shot. Wow, now he's off of that track.

748
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,959
Speaker 2: It's not impossible to come back. It's unlikely to come back.

749
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: He has a big enough name you never know you

750
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:36,080
Speaker 2: get it, But I think I don't. It's tougher on

751
00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:39,320
Speaker 2: the Morob discussion because I did argue in the post

752
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:43,920
Speaker 2: reaction that, like, holy shit, Morob got his entire job,

753
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 2: one game plan a taken away from him, and he

754
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 2: still won the damn fight, but yet didn't necessarily solve

755
00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:53,680
Speaker 2: all these questions we had about can he strike on

756
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:56,360
Speaker 2: the elite level because of what the threat of his

757
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 2: pressure ended up doing in disarming you know, Jose. So

758
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 2: you know, Okay, maybe maybe I'm naive to some of

759
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 2: this thing you're saying on Jose where he thought stuff

760
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 2: and takedowns and dominating that was enough. Maybe. I mean,

761
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:11,680
Speaker 2: I don't even know if anybody understands what MMA scoring

762
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 2: is really about right now, Luke, So there could have

763
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,800
Speaker 2: been some of that, but with Morob not answering the questions,

764
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,000
Speaker 2: there's only so much you can take away from that

765
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,399
Speaker 2: because of the of who Aldo still is and how

766
00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 2: hard it was to do exactly what devilish Willy did

767
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 2: with no takedowns. I mean, that's crazy.

768
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 1: Agreed, Agreed, it was. The thing is, if you didn't

769
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,439
Speaker 1: live through Aldo doing that, you you would easily forget

770
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,840
Speaker 1: about it because the more modern version of him, like

771
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: after he lost to Volkanovski, you didn't see any of that.

772
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,359
Speaker 1: Like he kind of took the l for what it

773
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:44,239
Speaker 1: was and accepted it. Same with Max. Of course I

774
00:35:44,280 --> 00:35:47,680
Speaker 1: was a finish but but you know that that guy

775
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,719
Speaker 1: I think we had thought was long departed ever since

776
00:35:50,719 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 1: maybe losing to McGregor. We thought that guy was long departed.

777
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:56,399
Speaker 1: And again, you know, if they thought at sea level,

778
00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: would that fight have gone the way that it did?

779
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:01,719
Speaker 1: Maybe not? Actually maybe not, But it was interesting for me.

780
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 1: I had forgotten about that guy, and like, I had

781
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 1: these flashbacks of that postfight press conference after beating Korean Zombie,

782
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:08,920
Speaker 1: which on the record was like a TKO, but it

783
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: was an injury really and his foot was blown up

784
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:14,399
Speaker 1: and everything else where. The guy was like incredulous at

785
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 1: the idea that this was even close. People were like

786
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: sure about that, bro, Like I remember, Aldo got a

787
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:23,080
Speaker 1: lot of bad press around that time for just not

788
00:36:23,120 --> 00:36:26,000
Speaker 1: even thinking shit was close. And he had to know

789
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: after the third it was gonna be dicey. He had

790
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: to know it was going to be real close. And

791
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: he just seemed like what, like, how could this happen?

792
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 2: Now?

793
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 1: Dude, you know how this happened. You didn't do enough.

794
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:37,120
Speaker 1: That's how this happened.

795
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 2: I'll tell you who had no problem with elevation in

796
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:42,520
Speaker 2: their time, Luke, Fabricio Ver, Doom Tensing, Norgay.

797
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,439
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, all right, real quickly that shirt.

798
00:36:47,480 --> 00:36:49,919
Speaker 2: But should have got credit for that, Luke, Okay.

799
00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:54,040
Speaker 1: Probably probably should real quickly. Usmann told TMZ about the

800
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,279
Speaker 1: trilogy because we heard Dana say that they want to

801
00:36:56,280 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: rearrange the calendar to bring the fight over to England.

802
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,359
Speaker 1: Here's what Usman told TMZ about it. What else makes sense?

803
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:04,800
Speaker 1: I mean, look at the division of course, you know,

804
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: talk about who else you could fight. It's absolutely what's

805
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,799
Speaker 1: going to happen next. I've talked to Dana we're going

806
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: to see. I'll let him do his job. We're gonna

807
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: see what date makes sense. I'm going to be top

808
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,360
Speaker 1: of next year. Excuse me, it's gonna be top of

809
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: next year. I was gonna try and squeeze one in

810
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 1: this year, but I think it'll probably be the top

811
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 1: of next year. And I want to go to England.

812
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:21,719
Speaker 1: I've been fiening to go to England. I feel like

813
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 1: England is my second home now and England is half Africa.

814
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: People don't know that, but it's half Africa. So it's

815
00:37:26,560 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: time to go over there entertain my English people. And

816
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,799
Speaker 1: what better story. You couldn't write this any better. So

817
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:32,840
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see what's next and we will definitely

818
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: figure something out. BC was interesting. Folks are saying, you know,

819
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:39,439
Speaker 1: should they go to England for this? One thousand percent?

820
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: They should go to England for this, Yes, but it's

821
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: related to the question of like, should they not go

822
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: to places with altitude? B See, you know this as

823
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,000
Speaker 1: well as I do. And this is just we always

824
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: talk about fighter pay as like this defining thing about

825
00:37:50,600 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: imbalance between promoter and fighter. But the reality is, if

826
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,160
Speaker 1: Eryl Spence is in the main event and the promoter says,

827
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 1: we want to go to Salt Lake, and he says,

828
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: I don't want to go to Salt Lake. Is there

829
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:05,120
Speaker 1: any chance whatsoever when Aerol Spence says I don't want

830
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: to go to Salt Lake, that they go, Fuck no,

831
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:10,080
Speaker 1: there's not. He has enough say where they have to

832
00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:13,840
Speaker 1: agree upon this to go to a place of mutual benefit.

833
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 1: And of course it doesn't need to be anywhere else

834
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: other than Texas because that's where he's from. But the

835
00:38:18,000 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: point I'm trying to make is people like will show

836
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: the UFC go to high altitude or not. The way

837
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 1: to look at this is if the fighters had to say,

838
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:26,200
Speaker 1: you wouldn't even have to worry about these questions. It

839
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: would be it would make much more sense about where

840
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,120
Speaker 1: they hold events relative to who is in the main event.

841
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: Now that being said, given that Edwards is now the

842
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,640
Speaker 1: walterweight champion and just knocked off the number one pound

843
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,520
Speaker 1: per pound guy and is from England slash Jamaica, does

844
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 1: it make sense to go to England? Million percent? It

845
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:46,120
Speaker 1: makes sense to go to England.

846
00:38:46,600 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 2: And why is Ustman embracing in so much? Not just

847
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 2: because I do think Usman is quote unquote a real champion,

848
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 2: meaning he does have the right intangibles underneath, he's not

849
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,280
Speaker 2: always the most beloved you know, we always a debate

850
00:38:58,320 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: why or whatever, but he I think he bounces back,

851
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 2: but I think he also looks at this as Okay,

852
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:06,000
Speaker 2: it's obviously not the intended plan. I wouldn't have wanted

853
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 2: a loss in this scenario, but I was kind of

854
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,400
Speaker 2: dominating the fight, and I'm not sure I would be

855
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 2: able to, you know, short of fighting chamayav next get

856
00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,879
Speaker 2: a chance to have an event, financially important event like that.

857
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:20,879
Speaker 2: So I think he's excited about this potential of now

858
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 2: going to England. And because he looke, we thought maybe

859
00:39:24,040 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 2: like Kolby could be the villain like Chaal was for

860
00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 2: Anderson to see if this could push Kamaru over the top,

861
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 2: like commercially. And I don't think he's hated or nobody cares.

862
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:35,960
Speaker 2: I just think that, you know, when you get to

863
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 2: the pomp for pound level number one level, you're like,

864
00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 2: we sort of look, can you be the complete package?

865
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,520
Speaker 2: And I think this, in a weird way kind of

866
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:45,960
Speaker 2: helps him financially and in that area especially. You go

867
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 2: back and you redeem yourself and win back the title

868
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,640
Speaker 2: and now, if you do it in enemy territory with

869
00:39:50,680 --> 00:39:53,879
Speaker 2: a legitimate fan base like this could end up being

870
00:39:53,920 --> 00:39:57,240
Speaker 2: a plus for Usman in the long run. That's all I'm.

871
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 1: Saying there, Yeah, no doubt about it. There's a lot

872
00:39:59,040 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 1: of way. And by the way, if if Edwards is

873
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: somehow able to retain, can you imagine beating Kamar back

874
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:05,960
Speaker 1: to back and then doing it in England and what

875
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 1: that might do for that already burgeoning and developing market. Again,

876
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:12,759
Speaker 1: we always talk about how insane the UK boxing crowds are. Well,

877
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 1: if we can get closer to that, we are going

878
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: to be in business. Edward's winning would be important and dramatic.

879
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: I want to ask one question, though, which is something

880
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 1: I get asked a lot here, which is how long

881
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,280
Speaker 1: do you think Edwards will hold on to the title?

882
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,520
Speaker 1: And that's obviously very hard to know because one, hello,

883
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,560
Speaker 1: you got to beat Usman twice. Good luck with that.

884
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: That's not easy. But even if you do, chimaiv is

885
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: on his way, Sean Brady's on his way, Shotcott Rockmanov

886
00:40:34,960 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 1: is on his way. I don't think whoever holds this

887
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: title do I think Usman's going to hold her for

888
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:41,360
Speaker 1: much longer? Even if he gets it back, probably not

889
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: his fucking thirty five. Edwards is younger, I think, just

890
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,760
Speaker 1: thirty or so, but still be See this is welterweight, dude.

891
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:51,680
Speaker 1: You never bet on longevity at high level MMA. It's

892
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: just so hard to keep.

893
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,920
Speaker 2: And those hammers are coming right in every division, but

894
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 2: particularly this one with A with that next wave of

895
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,919
Speaker 2: ultraweight is coming on. But I think again, let's put

896
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 2: the focus back on Leon and give him his respect here, Luke,

897
00:41:08,040 --> 00:41:10,600
Speaker 2: part of when you looked at Leon over the years,

898
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 2: I think part of why it was easy to underrate

899
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: him was like, it's not just the marketable side of it,

900
00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 2: but a lot of his offensive and defensive categories. He's

901
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,239
Speaker 2: like B plus a minus across the board, like in

902
00:41:25,280 --> 00:41:28,319
Speaker 2: a solid way, but not always a spectacular way. But

903
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 2: we didn't know until he was at the bottom of

904
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 2: the well here that his intangibles, like like I just

905
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 2: talked about with another fighter, like they're a plus plus.

906
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:40,240
Speaker 2: I mean, he hung in there, rallied back, kept his poise,

907
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 2: all that stuff that it does make it hard moving

908
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 2: forward to try to handicap like like do I favor

909
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 2: usman in this rematch? Of course I saw the first fight.

910
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 2: You know, the odds are going to be the odds

911
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 2: for a reason. But that's a special power. Not only

912
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 2: the level of confidence Edwards walked into, but what that

913
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,200
Speaker 2: confidence fuels for him, which is, you know, that grit

914
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 2: and determination. And because he is so sound B plus

915
00:42:03,160 --> 00:42:05,840
Speaker 2: a minus across the board in every category, he doesn't

916
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 2: get dominated and handled too often, right, Like you know

917
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,160
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like he may not always blow you away,

918
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,759
Speaker 2: but he's always very responsible and still in the fight,

919
00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,560
Speaker 2: which he proved in such a demonstrative way in this

920
00:42:17,600 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 2: one that it's like, it's kind of what I thought

921
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,040
Speaker 2: on a different side. What made Charles Olivera's run at

922
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,200
Speaker 2: this moment special is his confidence in his danger is

923
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:29,880
Speaker 2: so damn through the roof that he's getting into these

924
00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 2: crazy fights, he's getting hurt, but he's still winning them.

925
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 2: That's usually when someone hits their peak of their powers

926
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 2: and then they have this lightning bolt of momentum carrying them.

927
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 2: It doesn't usually last long, but Leon Edwards might be

928
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 2: in the midst of that right now. So I'm not

929
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 2: ready to take the bill off of him until I

930
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:47,960
Speaker 2: see somebody do it. Is really what I'm saying here, Luke.

931
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 2: And I know people say, hey, nice to hear BCB.

932
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 2: You've been shitting on this guy for years. He woke

933
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 2: up my ass Luke. He woke up my asshole. I mean,

934
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:57,160
Speaker 2: what do you want me to say? People?

935
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, But also it's like, you know, I

936
00:42:59,200 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 1: said this before a pop quiz ready discounting Saturday. So

937
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: you can't say that is your answer. What's your favorite

938
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:10,799
Speaker 1: Leon Edwards knockout, the.

939
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 2: One where ny Diaz almost got him? Yeah, the good answer, looke, Okay, this.

940
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: Is my point. It's not like he's you could say,

941
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: Seth Bozinski from like fucking however many years ago, but

942
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: it's like, this is my point. He had nice wins

943
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: and a long difficult path to get here, but the

944
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 1: kind of shit he showed, you know, it's somewhat new.

945
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: If people are sleeping on him, it's not because they

946
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:31,959
Speaker 1: didn't recognize he was good. It's just they he hadn't

947
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: done anything quite like this to this point, and so

948
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:35,920
Speaker 1: I thought he had some new tricks, which are interesting

949
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: in the fight. But you know, the reason why we've

950
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: been somewhat skeptical of him is because there was a

951
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:44,839
Speaker 1: new level of something he could show us based on

952
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,760
Speaker 1: what tomorrow. You know, what he brought out of himself,

953
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:49,840
Speaker 1: but what the challenge brought out of him. And so

954
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: you know, we are willing to amend it as a

955
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: consequence of that. But if we were a little bit

956
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,920
Speaker 1: short sighted, it's because we had a reason to be

957
00:43:56,920 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: a little bit short sighted.

958
00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 2: All right, very quickly, quick, let me jumping, because you know,

959
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 2: any chance I get to point back at that cinematic

960
00:44:03,280 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 2: classic Dune, I'm gonna do that, Luke, that the new one,

961
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:08,760
Speaker 2: the new Dune. You know how they hit that button

962
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 2: and their body had like a shield over them. Yes,

963
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:14,600
Speaker 2: that's what momentum is like at the highest level of

964
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:17,160
Speaker 2: the UFC, when you're on that rocket ship. Of it

965
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 2: doesn't matter the matchup. I can't lose at this moment,

966
00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:21,560
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Connor may have had the

967
00:44:21,560 --> 00:44:23,399
Speaker 2: biggest we've ever seen at the end of the day, Luke,

968
00:44:23,560 --> 00:44:25,920
Speaker 2: that may have been the biggest lightning bolt. I mean,

969
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 2: bigger than the one he had against Mayweather at the way.

970
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 2: And to be fair, god, I mean.

971
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: I could do a mistake he had in his dungery. Boy, Yeah,

972
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:37,840
Speaker 1: all right, BC, real quickly, takeaways from BKFC, and PFL.

973
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:39,919
Speaker 1: I'll do this very quickly. To start with PFL one,

974
00:44:40,000 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: I saw that Rory lost and lost badly to an

975
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: opponent on short notice, and I saw he retired long overdue,

976
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:48,680
Speaker 1: long overdue. I thought he'd been done for some time,

977
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: and I think if he sticks around, he's just going

978
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 1: to continue to get hurt. I really believe this. BC

979
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: hard to say with any certainty, but it's just what

980
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 1: my hunch is. I think that lawlor fight changed his irrevocably.

981
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,640
Speaker 2: He retired. Did they tell you he retired? On Instagram?

982
00:45:04,719 --> 00:45:05,680
Speaker 1: I just said that he retired.

983
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 2: I said, okay, okay, I want now, who's not listening?

984
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:12,360
Speaker 2: Huh ha king Sorry, I was just still in the

985
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 2: uh you know that after a moment after you just

986
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 2: you just land the plane, Luke, and.

987
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,759
Speaker 1: You were sniffing your own farts and too busy to

988
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: listen to your partner who's been gone for two weeks.

989
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:24,320
Speaker 1: So what I was gonna say was he retired. I

990
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:26,359
Speaker 1: think it's long overdue. I'm glad to see it. He's

991
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: only going to get hurt. You know, Yes, he could

992
00:45:28,080 --> 00:45:30,719
Speaker 1: beat some guys here or there, but you know, it's

993
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,279
Speaker 1: just not worth it. At this point, so I glad

994
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 1: to see that Kayla won again. I saw that there

995
00:45:35,080 --> 00:45:36,959
Speaker 1: was a lot of guys. I saw this before I left,

996
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 1: that Umulatov, who for example, Rory was supposed to fight

997
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:42,880
Speaker 1: in the heavyweight guy as well. They couldn't get visas in,

998
00:45:42,920 --> 00:45:45,680
Speaker 1: which was a fucking disaster for the PFL last night.

999
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:48,279
Speaker 2: That sucks. No one's talking about that. That sucks, dude.

1000
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: It's like, what do you if you're the guy in

1001
00:45:50,280 --> 00:45:52,280
Speaker 1: the semis and you can't make it because of the visa,

1002
00:45:52,320 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 1: then someone just slots in. It's like, if you're going

1003
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,280
Speaker 1: to have a matchmaking system based on a tournament schedule

1004
00:45:58,320 --> 00:46:02,919
Speaker 1: and then the financial considerations are built into that systemic order,

1005
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,600
Speaker 1: you can't just change and jumble the shit up later.

1006
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:09,439
Speaker 1: Like the whole point is everything is based on that. Yeah,

1007
00:46:09,480 --> 00:46:11,759
Speaker 1: you can sub in guys, but it focks over the

1008
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:13,760
Speaker 1: people in the semis big time.

1009
00:46:13,920 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 2: So that tells you they got a really good sight

1010
00:46:16,040 --> 00:46:16,799
Speaker 2: feeding go there.

1011
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:20,480
Speaker 1: That's no shit, no shit for real, that's true. But

1012
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: the BKFC side, here's something we should talk about very quickly.

1013
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,160
Speaker 1: I saw that Mike Perry one, I saw that it

1014
00:46:25,200 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: was a split draw. I mean I saw most of

1015
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:31,800
Speaker 1: the fight, and then of course I saw the final round. Dude,

1016
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,440
Speaker 1: if you take this fight, and yeah, MVP is not washed.

1017
00:46:35,520 --> 00:46:40,320
Speaker 1: But Paulie by the time he fought uh to our

1018
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 1: artum was you know, he was long past prime by

1019
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: that point. But here's what I want to say. People

1020
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: think the difference between BKFC and boxing is not just

1021
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,000
Speaker 1: the quality of like athlete, but the fact that they're

1022
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 1: not wearing gloves. Yes, that is a relevant consideration, but

1023
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,760
Speaker 1: I would argue that the constrained space and the rules

1024
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:01,439
Speaker 1: about what you can do when you which you can't

1025
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: do in terms of grabbing opponents and dirty boxing and

1026
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:08,880
Speaker 1: shit like that, that makes a gritty, grimy fighter who's

1027
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: willing to take damage but has big power it can

1028
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,560
Speaker 1: deliver it much more of a threat to a more

1029
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:18,680
Speaker 1: sophisticated kind of sticking mover or a guy who's got more,

1030
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:21,440
Speaker 1: you know, sort of technical boxing skill. It's not boxing,

1031
00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:24,239
Speaker 1: it's BKFC. It is different, and Mike Perry had to

1032
00:47:24,280 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 1: grind it out, but dude, he fucking did it. Pretty

1033
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:28,640
Speaker 1: impressive job by him.

1034
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 2: Yep, I'm out. You said. You said what I've been saying,

1035
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:37,239
Speaker 2: Luke heading into this fight after this fight, it's I know,

1036
00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 2: it's the last stop for for the veterans who are

1037
00:47:39,880 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 2: gristled but still have a punch left in them, or

1038
00:47:42,440 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 2: still have a chin to take a punch left and then.

1039
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 2: But uh, it's I mean, look, it's creating these these

1040
00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 2: folk heroes, Luke, like britten Hart, all right, it's great.

1041
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 2: I mean, it's it's it's it's a market that's working

1042
00:47:54,840 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 2: for them. I saw John Jones posted the picture on

1043
00:47:56,840 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 2: ig with who's a Taylor Starling. She's another one of these.

1044
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 2: It's like this women's division's wild, Luke. I don't know

1045
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 2: if if they could have the success in the actual discipline.

1046
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 2: Some of them have tried professional boxing or MMA or whatever.

1047
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:12,640
Speaker 2: But you put them in that circle fists only, Luke,

1048
00:48:13,200 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 2: you see it, it takes a different breed. All right.

1049
00:48:16,560 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Last thing I'd say is the constrained space and

1050
00:48:19,040 --> 00:48:20,040
Speaker 1: the two minute rounds.

1051
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 2: It's just well, you can't you can't land. It's like, yeah,

1052
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 2: we do see knockouts. We do see one punch knockouts,

1053
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:32,320
Speaker 2: absolutely we do. But you can't consistently be all or

1054
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 2: nothing in pursuit of that. You're not only hurt your

1055
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:37,200
Speaker 2: fists but you know, you'll get caught off balance and

1056
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,719
Speaker 2: somebody will dirty box you and catch you with something gnarly.

1057
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 2: I mean it's and then you know, just the slicing

1058
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 2: up Luke, it's I mean, I never would have put

1059
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 2: any money down that PVZ in her prime would have

1060
00:48:47,040 --> 00:48:49,600
Speaker 2: ever come near this. I mean, you could get you

1061
00:48:49,640 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 2: can get caught, you can get Teddy Atlas there. Okay,

1062
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,440
Speaker 2: maybe that's extreme. Maybe that's you know, that was the.

1063
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:55,359
Speaker 1: That's a little hot, that's a little harsh. All right,

1064
00:48:55,400 --> 00:48:57,080
Speaker 1: Let's go to topic number two, which was the other

1065
00:48:57,080 --> 00:49:00,320
Speaker 1: big fight that I missed on the boxing side of things,

1066
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 1: very quickly. Let's talk about Usik Joshua too, and then

1067
00:49:02,920 --> 00:49:05,239
Speaker 1: we'll talk about Tyson Fury versus Usik and what might

1068
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 1: happen there. We see, I was looking at the tweets

1069
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:11,480
Speaker 1: when I was walking around the streets of Cartagenle on vacation,

1070
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 1: and they made it seem to me like Usik dominated

1071
00:49:16,640 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 1: in the way he did the first time, and so

1072
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 1: I watched it. I don't really agree. Now here's what

1073
00:49:21,640 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: I thought. I thought that up until the eighth round,

1074
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 1: I had maybe given Joshua like one or two rounds

1075
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:30,719
Speaker 1: like I was like, Okay, this is what they were

1076
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 1: talking about. But here's my big takeaway. Two things. One, dude,

1077
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 1: that was that was a winnable fight for Joshua, and

1078
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: I did not understand large parts of his strategy. He

1079
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 1: did his best work by far when he went in

1080
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:50,400
Speaker 1: the eighth round. In that ninth round, continuously to the body,

1081
00:49:50,719 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: he had Usic backpedaling along the ropes and continuously Joshua

1082
00:49:57,080 --> 00:50:00,040
Speaker 1: would let him off and let him just roam. I

1083
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 1: was like, dude, what the fuck are you doing? I

1084
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: just didn't get it. Like those that was clear. It

1085
00:50:06,800 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: was clear significant continuous body work not only slowed him

1086
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,800
Speaker 1: but had him backpedaling, had him leaning against the ropes.

1087
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,640
Speaker 1: That was a open invitation for Joshua to be the

1088
00:50:16,680 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 1: big man there and big brother him, and he let

1089
00:50:19,640 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: him off the hook. So who's the better boxer, Well,

1090
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:27,200
Speaker 1: it's Usik. Usik is the better boxer clearly between them.

1091
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 1: But the idea that this wasn't winnable for Joshua, It's like,

1092
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:32,680
Speaker 1: I don't know what to attribute this to. Was it

1093
00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:35,400
Speaker 1: fight Iq? Was it? I don't know, I don't know

1094
00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: how to say. I think it was.

1095
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,440
Speaker 2: He could have won this look there's always been talk that,

1096
00:50:39,560 --> 00:50:41,359
Speaker 2: you know, because there was always pressure on AJ to

1097
00:50:41,400 --> 00:50:42,880
Speaker 2: shake up his team, get you know, get rid of

1098
00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 2: the trainer. He finally did it this fight, but to

1099
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 2: be honest, he also kept one of his other original trainers,

1100
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 2: so it didn't even look like Robert Garcia had complete control.

1101
00:50:50,080 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 2: There's always been sort of talk that, you know, AJ's

1102
00:50:52,640 --> 00:50:54,560
Speaker 2: got a lot lot of yes guys around him. I've

1103
00:50:54,640 --> 00:50:56,560
Speaker 2: never known that, or you know, I've never been in

1104
00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,600
Speaker 2: the camp, so it's hard to know if that's true.

1105
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 2: But I think it was a little bit still underestimating

1106
00:51:03,800 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 2: what Usik's really about, but very much overvaluating if you're Aj,

1107
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 2: what you're capable of. From this standpoint, there were two

1108
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:13,839
Speaker 2: paths to go in the woods after that first fight,

1109
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 2: either all or nothing on be the bigger man, walk

1110
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:20,879
Speaker 2: him down and knock him out, or try to do

1111
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,239
Speaker 2: what you couldn't do the first time, which was out

1112
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,640
Speaker 2: box the best boxer in this division and somebody with

1113
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,839
Speaker 2: boxing skills and footwork that we just I mean, if

1114
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:32,719
Speaker 2: Tyson Fury is a unicorn, Luke Usik's a pretty damn

1115
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:36,520
Speaker 2: interesting unicorn himself in this division, in this modern era

1116
00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:39,399
Speaker 2: where you know, you don't see Muhammad Ali's and Joe

1117
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 2: Frazier's and all those guys walk off the bus. You know,

1118
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:44,600
Speaker 2: it's a different breed in this super heavyweight era. I

1119
00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:48,000
Speaker 2: think AJ thought, because he was close in that first fight.

1120
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 2: It was a clear loss, but it was competitive. I

1121
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:52,959
Speaker 2: think he thought, let me just add a little bit more,

1122
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,960
Speaker 2: no stone's unturned. I'll produce the best boxing performance I

1123
00:51:57,040 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 2: ever could produce, and it will be enough to win.

1124
00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,400
Speaker 2: It was almost enough to win, meaning split decision in

1125
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,319
Speaker 2: the end. Whether you agree with Glenn Feldman or not.

1126
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 2: I didn't in this case, but I had to eight

1127
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 2: for USIC. I mean close enough. But at the end

1128
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 2: of the day, you picked the wrong strategy and you

1129
00:52:13,600 --> 00:52:16,600
Speaker 2: had no overinflated value of what would have happened if

1130
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,480
Speaker 2: you made whatever adjustments that weren't there in the past

1131
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,799
Speaker 2: that you needed to make. Look, he made those adjustments.

1132
00:52:21,960 --> 00:52:24,400
Speaker 2: This was the best boxing performance you're going to get

1133
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 2: out of AJ. That's right, and it wasn't good enough

1134
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:29,719
Speaker 2: because he's fighting a unicorn. And that is ultimately I

1135
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 2: think what fueled him blowing up and you know, acting

1136
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 2: like like he had a couple of margaritis. We know

1137
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 2: the comparison, but like it was, I mean, look, what

1138
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:41,400
Speaker 2: did you think of that? I mean, this was like, I.

1139
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: Just want to be very clear about something I did

1140
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 1: not think. If you just watch him box in the

1141
00:52:45,840 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 1: center of the ring with Usik, it's pretty clear he

1142
00:52:48,880 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 1: can get you know, a shot in here or there,

1143
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,480
Speaker 1: but he can't win. That's not a way to win, dude.

1144
00:52:53,520 --> 00:52:57,879
Speaker 1: He had Usik fucking wincing, visibly wincing and covering up,

1145
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 1: and he let him off a hook. I could not

1146
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:05,600
Speaker 1: believe the lack of urgency along the ropes to just

1147
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,239
Speaker 1: keep him there, wrap up with him if you have to,

1148
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,680
Speaker 1: but constantly go back to the body, Go back to

1149
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:12,759
Speaker 1: the body, go back to the body. Remember steep A

1150
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 1: in the in the rematch with Cormier, just left hook,

1151
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,319
Speaker 1: left hook, left hook to the body, over and over.

1152
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:20,680
Speaker 1: I was like, motherfucker, do that.

1153
00:53:20,680 --> 00:53:22,560
Speaker 2: She's had a pivotal question to ask you about what

1154
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 2: you just said?

1155
00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:24,080
Speaker 1: You ready, yes?

1156
00:53:24,800 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 2: In that remember how romanticized and how much I got

1157
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 2: into this DC steep A trilogy. And it was DC's chance,

1158
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 2: you know, and they lost the belt, but it was

1159
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 2: his chance to you know, cement that legacy, and he

1160
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 2: came up short. But what I always said was in

1161
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:39,160
Speaker 2: that rematch, dude, you slammed him like three times in

1162
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:41,799
Speaker 2: the first round. Why did you abandon the wrestling which

1163
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:44,080
Speaker 2: allowed you to lose the second fight? And in some

1164
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 2: ways we all thought he was going to come back

1165
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:47,320
Speaker 2: wrestling or nothing in the third fight, but he just

1166
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,000
Speaker 2: didn't have it. And we always talk at the end, well, stamina,

1167
00:53:50,080 --> 00:53:53,240
Speaker 2: it's why even usman, these guys get to a certain level.

1168
00:53:53,320 --> 00:53:55,680
Speaker 2: Were at that age, you can't wrestle at that pace

1169
00:53:55,719 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 2: and level anymore. I mean, we never saw habib Old

1170
00:53:58,680 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 2: where he couldn't utilize his plan a right, but you

1171
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:03,279
Speaker 2: do end up hitting a wall. If that's why people

1172
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:05,719
Speaker 2: evolve and add the striking, just like that's why Michael

1173
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 2: Jordan would involve and add the you know, fadeaway jump

1174
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:11,200
Speaker 2: shot to attacking the rim so he could become a

1175
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:17,160
Speaker 2: complete player. So in that regard, Luke, I don't know

1176
00:54:17,160 --> 00:54:18,840
Speaker 2: where I was going, but it was gonna land. It

1177
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:21,400
Speaker 2: was gonna be big, Luke, it was gonna be it

1178
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,600
Speaker 2: was really I was really painting, you know, setting it up.

1179
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,040
Speaker 2: It was going to be something special.

1180
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:27,200
Speaker 1: I was surprised, I thought based on the tweets that

1181
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: I had read that this was, you know, kind of

1182
00:54:29,320 --> 00:54:30,880
Speaker 1: like the first one, maybe a little bit closer, and

1183
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 1: for a lot of it it was. But oh, I

1184
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 1: got it out.

1185
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:35,479
Speaker 2: I got it out. You're ready. I'm sorry, you gotta

1186
00:54:35,520 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 2: hit this. It was about the stamina, Luke. At the

1187
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,320
Speaker 2: end of the day, thirty nine year old DC couldn't

1188
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:44,759
Speaker 2: wrestle Stipe for five rounds. Right, it's not It's not possible,

1189
00:54:45,040 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 2: is Joshua something that's always been said about him, too

1190
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 2: bulked and jacked to be able to have twelve round

1191
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 2: up and down wild fights. Yeah, he found it against

1192
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,799
Speaker 2: Klutch Goo, but he had a stamina dump that led

1193
00:54:56,800 --> 00:54:59,440
Speaker 2: to him getting knocked down. So it was he was

1194
00:54:59,480 --> 00:55:01,719
Speaker 2: asking some thing of himself, Luke, that I don't think

1195
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:04,279
Speaker 2: he realized wasn't possible. So you say, why didn't he

1196
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,919
Speaker 2: turn it on in round ten? You know, I don't.

1197
00:55:07,120 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 2: You only got so much in a tank that big

1198
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 2: you know, a tank, that big gash tank, that small, Luke.

1199
00:55:11,840 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 1: That's the way he was going to the uppercuts to

1200
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,200
Speaker 1: the body at the end of combinations. I thought the

1201
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: Chris al Jerry did a great job as a commentator

1202
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: talking about it early on. Why didn't. Why did he

1203
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 1: wait till the eighth round to start going to the

1204
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,439
Speaker 1: body continuously? I mean, this is my point about the fight. IQ.

1205
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:26,719
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the issue. I don't know

1206
00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:29,840
Speaker 1: if there's something else. Yeah, is he kicking bulky? Maybe?

1207
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,960
Speaker 2: No, he was getting countered, dude, Usik. The difference between the.

1208
00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 1: First two and the first and second rounds, No, he wasn't,

1209
00:55:34,880 --> 00:55:35,439
Speaker 1: not very much.

1210
00:55:35,560 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 2: Let me tell it to you like this. The difference

1211
00:55:37,120 --> 00:55:38,960
Speaker 2: in the two fights to me, mostly was that Usick

1212
00:55:39,040 --> 00:55:41,080
Speaker 2: needed to establish in the first part of the first

1213
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:43,839
Speaker 2: fight that he's strong and accurate enough to put AJ

1214
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:47,440
Speaker 2: in trouble if AJ gets two cocky, too reckless goes

1215
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:49,600
Speaker 2: for the push. He didn't have to do that in

1216
00:55:49,600 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 2: the second fight because he changed his strategy and only

1217
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 2: worked on basically off counters because he was countering AJ's

1218
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,560
Speaker 2: jab so quickly and it was starting to puff up

1219
00:55:57,600 --> 00:56:00,200
Speaker 2: his eye that I think he basically took a way

1220
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 2: not only AJ's hunt for the body, but really the

1221
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 2: effectiveness of his own jab that it became AJ looking

1222
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 2: to land one big punch that wasn't there until he

1223
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 2: tired him up, but couldn't get him out of.

1224
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:14,120
Speaker 1: There I am. I am very skeptical that it took

1225
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 1: until the eighth round to find openings to the body

1226
00:56:17,239 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: like that repeatedly. I think he waited too long to

1227
00:56:20,160 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 1: really do it, and even when he did it, he

1228
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,279
Speaker 1: didn't do enough of it. To me, it's it was

1229
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,840
Speaker 1: a conscious choice to some degree. Anyway you're asking about

1230
00:56:26,880 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: the post fight rant, I don't have as negative things

1231
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:34,439
Speaker 1: to say about other as other people do. I saw

1232
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: people killing him for it. And to be clear, like

1233
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:40,200
Speaker 1: the shit he said was weird and like Kanye interrupting

1234
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,040
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift type shit, like it was bad. It was bad.

1235
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,120
Speaker 2: That's a good comparison. Wow, that's what like it.

1236
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,319
Speaker 1: Here's how I felt, dude, Like he broke down at

1237
00:56:48,360 --> 00:56:51,720
Speaker 1: the postfight press conference. You know he had on all black.

1238
00:56:51,800 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 1: You know, he had the black gloves, he had the

1239
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: black trunks, the black shoes. He had almost like a

1240
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 1: little Mike Tyson esque vibe going on. Dude, I think

1241
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:00,920
Speaker 1: he really wanted this one. Well that sounds kind obvious,

1242
00:57:00,960 --> 00:57:02,680
Speaker 1: but like a lot of times, boxers like, oh, I

1243
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: made a bunch of money and I kind of tried,

1244
00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:05,359
Speaker 1: and yeah, he was a little bit better, and they

1245
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: can kind of live with it, dude. It devastated him.

1246
00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:08,839
Speaker 1: It devastated him.

1247
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:11,080
Speaker 2: Because he went all in. Agree with that. It's because

1248
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 2: he went all in.

1249
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: He went all in. He went all in. And I

1250
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:16,080
Speaker 1: got to tell you, A he was just in a

1251
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:19,080
Speaker 1: prize fight. And again credit to Usik, rounds kind of

1252
00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:21,400
Speaker 1: tennish and then eleven and twelve. He was putting it

1253
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 1: on AJ himself. So like AJ had been hitting the

1254
00:57:23,440 --> 00:57:25,880
Speaker 1: head a little bit, certainly in the last quarter of

1255
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:28,520
Speaker 1: that or last third of that fight, and a little bit.

1256
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 1: And so what I would say is BC, you know,

1257
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 1: do I think what he said was graceful or awesome. No,

1258
00:57:34,440 --> 00:57:37,080
Speaker 1: it was weird and bad. But at the same time,

1259
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 1: after I saw him break down, it was pretty clear

1260
00:57:39,400 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: to me that he really told himself something about who

1261
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,439
Speaker 1: he was, Yeah, what he was going to do that day,

1262
00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:48,240
Speaker 1: and it didn't happen, and it fucking devastated him. And

1263
00:57:48,360 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 1: absolutely to me, it's like I forgive him. I don't.

1264
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 1: I don't really want to beat him up for it.

1265
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:56,400
Speaker 1: I agree that's weird, but I don't want to beat

1266
00:57:56,440 --> 00:57:57,040
Speaker 1: him up for it.

1267
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,640
Speaker 2: Well, okay, if if there was no conflict, this didn't

1268
00:58:00,640 --> 00:58:03,680
Speaker 2: mean as much to Usik and Ukraine to be fair.

1269
00:58:03,760 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 2: And you know when you when you watch the interviews

1270
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 2: leading up to the fight, you suddenly started to realize,

1271
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,520
Speaker 2: oh shit, like this is you know, a monumental moment

1272
00:58:11,600 --> 00:58:14,360
Speaker 2: in terms of impact for this these people in the

1273
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 2: midst of this struggle, and and and and you know

1274
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,160
Speaker 2: it was taken right away from Usik. I mean, he's

1275
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,040
Speaker 2: got tears in his eyes, he's got the flag over

1276
00:58:22,080 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 2: his shoulders, and the flag got taken away from him

1277
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 2: for this like condescending. I mean the fact that at

1278
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:31,000
Speaker 2: the postfight press conference, not only was everybody there on

1279
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,680
Speaker 2: the stage almost like trying to reinflate the balloon, so

1280
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:36,280
Speaker 2: obviously to tell AJ no, no, you're not shit, you're great,

1281
00:58:36,320 --> 00:58:38,480
Speaker 2: and like they were like they were verbally blowing him

1282
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 2: luke and okay, if that was what was needed to

1283
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:43,520
Speaker 2: prevent the you know, the former champ from going downhill,

1284
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:46,080
Speaker 2: I'm not here to stop that. But the journalists who

1285
00:58:46,120 --> 00:58:49,160
Speaker 2: are grabbing the mic and like AJ just so much

1286
00:58:49,200 --> 00:58:52,160
Speaker 2: class in the post fight and class.

1287
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:57,400
Speaker 1: No really class, but dude, like here, just really serious

1288
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 1: question given everything that had happened. Remember, he was just

1289
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,360
Speaker 1: in a prize fight. There's adrenaline coursing through his veins

1290
00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:04,800
Speaker 1: and everything.

1291
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 2: Somebody's got to grab the mic, get the hulk of.

1292
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 1: The Eddie hearn or somebody should have intervened. But do

1293
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: you think, and I'm gonna ask this honestly, do you

1294
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:15,480
Speaker 1: think at that moment he was in his right mind?

1295
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 1: Because I don't. I don't now. If he later on,

1296
00:59:18,840 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: like in two months as an interview and like defends it,

1297
00:59:21,520 --> 00:59:23,520
Speaker 1: well that's a little bit different. But for right now,

1298
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 1: it looked to me like he was not in his

1299
00:59:25,600 --> 00:59:28,720
Speaker 1: right mind and was just like he had so much

1300
00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:32,080
Speaker 1: grief he was trying to process. He didn't know what

1301
00:59:32,120 --> 00:59:34,440
Speaker 1: the fuck he was doing. To be quite home, I'm almost.

1302
00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:37,680
Speaker 2: I'm almost not blaming him as much because that was

1303
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 2: a human reaction and we all can go too far

1304
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:44,440
Speaker 2: and any any argument dispute, But there was nobody to

1305
00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 2: check that on a live, you know, global television event,

1306
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 2: and there was many people that could have checked. I mean,

1307
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:51,919
Speaker 2: I don't think if you watch the video close enough,

1308
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 2: there's actually YouTube breakdowns of the meltdown where people had

1309
00:59:56,480 --> 01:00:00,000
Speaker 2: brilliant ways of looking at it. So when Aj right afterwards,

1310
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 2: when he he was trying to fist, he was offering

1311
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 2: fist pumps to Usik's team, which were all younger professional fighters,

1312
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 2: but he was like punching their fist and they were

1313
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:10,640
Speaker 2: like And this was adding to the growing tension in

1314
01:00:10,680 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 2: the ring, where Usik was starting to be like, oh

1315
01:00:12,560 --> 01:00:14,760
Speaker 2: my god, like he's basically shitting on me, you know

1316
01:00:14,760 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. Like there was almost a fight between

1317
01:00:17,200 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 2: U six handlers and AJ for that very reason. So given, dude,

1318
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:24,000
Speaker 2: given the all that dude, give the guys fucking moment

1319
01:00:24,120 --> 01:00:25,920
Speaker 2: he forced Griffin get out of a cage, all right,

1320
01:00:26,280 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 2: come on.

1321
01:00:26,760 --> 01:00:29,200
Speaker 1: It was it was, it was. It was poor. It

1322
01:00:29,280 --> 01:00:29,880
Speaker 1: was like the.

1323
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 2: Moment at a wedding when Uncle Richie grabs the mic

1324
01:00:32,440 --> 01:00:34,240
Speaker 2: and is like, oh god, I remember when we see

1325
01:00:34,320 --> 01:00:35,080
Speaker 2: it's the thing.

1326
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:39,080
Speaker 1: What if Uncle Richie just got divorced, The wife took

1327
01:00:39,120 --> 01:00:42,200
Speaker 1: the house, the wife took his kids, half of his

1328
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 1: net worth. He's now living in a van down by

1329
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 1: the river. He had one too many margaritas at the

1330
01:00:48,080 --> 01:00:50,920
Speaker 1: open bar. You can listen, you don't. You don't allow

1331
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:52,440
Speaker 1: him to do it. You know, you got you're right,

1332
01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,760
Speaker 1: you got intervened. But the same time, my man's going

1333
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:55,360
Speaker 1: through some shit.

1334
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:57,680
Speaker 2: You gotta be he is so you give it, you

1335
01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 2: probably give him like one to two either like accidental

1336
01:01:01,000 --> 01:01:04,680
Speaker 2: slurs or like you know, calling women broads or something that.

1337
01:01:04,720 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 2: But like I think a second time you'd be like,

1338
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:09,440
Speaker 2: uncle Rich, we got like this is a you know, yeah.

1339
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:10,600
Speaker 1: That's the issue. Someone should have been to intervene. But

1340
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: I think he was devastated, and you know, it's hard.

1341
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 1: It's hard to be in your right mind when you're

1342
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:17,240
Speaker 1: like that. It just really is all right. So that

1343
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,960
Speaker 1: leads us to the question BC of what happens next now.

1344
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:23,520
Speaker 1: Tyson Fury, I think announced just today he'll fight Usick

1345
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:25,760
Speaker 1: if the Saudi's paid five hundred million.

1346
01:01:26,200 --> 01:01:27,080
Speaker 2: Michael Benson.

1347
01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:29,959
Speaker 1: Michael Benson, who is a boxing reporter, tweeted that Frank

1348
01:01:30,040 --> 01:01:33,000
Speaker 1: Warren has declared that Tyson Fury versus Usick for the

1349
01:01:33,080 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: undisputed WBABC IBFBO heavyweight titles will be a fifty to

1350
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 1: fifty per split between the two world champions, and also

1351
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 1: said that it will take place wherever it generates the

1352
01:01:43,080 --> 01:01:46,280
Speaker 1: most money and indicate that it's almost certainly not going

1353
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:48,040
Speaker 1: to be in the UK. What do you make it

1354
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 1: as BC.

1355
01:01:48,720 --> 01:01:51,040
Speaker 2: Or the US To be fair, not only does Tyson

1356
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 2: Furry could he even get into the US, No he can't.

1357
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 2: But look this has Yeah, it comes down to the

1358
01:01:55,960 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 2: bottom line. Ideally this should be in the UK, even

1359
01:01:58,920 --> 01:02:02,600
Speaker 2: though that's a potential home field advantage for Fury because

1360
01:02:02,640 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 2: you could put you know, ninety thousand a Wembley Stadium.

1361
01:02:04,840 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 2: It's this, This would meet that that atmosphere without question.

1362
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,840
Speaker 2: But I mean, let's let's recap. Why was why was

1363
01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 2: Joshua sick too just there in Jedta. I mean probably

1364
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 2: because when Joshua thought Andy Ruiz in their rematch in

1365
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:24,320
Speaker 2: Saudi Arabia, it was reported that he made like eighty million.

1366
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:27,080
Speaker 2: That was the the Hey, if you come fight here,

1367
01:02:27,200 --> 01:02:30,840
Speaker 2: you personally get eighty million. Look that's Mayweather McGregor, Mayweather

1368
01:02:30,880 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 2: Pachiel level shit, Like that's ridiculous. That's for the A side,

1369
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 2: just to show that hell up. Okay, so you have

1370
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:40,880
Speaker 2: to believe that they're gonna they're gonna find all them

1371
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 2: dollars here. It's probably gonna be there. I love that

1372
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:47,120
Speaker 2: Tyson's finally saying, you know, not dancing around it, he

1373
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:50,160
Speaker 2: wants it. I think all that stuff he does back

1374
01:02:50,200 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 2: and forth, retirement, all that is probably at the end

1375
01:02:52,600 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 2: of the day, more for this negotiation. But if his

1376
01:02:55,760 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 2: co promoter Frank Warren is saying publicly no, we're doing

1377
01:02:58,880 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 2: fifty to fifty. Obviously, Tyson in the bigger star, but

1378
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 2: Usik's got three of the four belts and now that

1379
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:06,480
Speaker 2: mythical Ring Magazine championship, so lineal champ. Well, you know

1380
01:03:06,600 --> 01:03:09,480
Speaker 2: you get what I'm my point here. If it's that easy,

1381
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 2: that's looke. That's the reason why Team Eddie Hearn was

1382
01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 2: all over aj after the loss and didn't care about

1383
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 2: Usik because that was the end of Usik's contract with

1384
01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 2: Matchroom and his own and you know they knew it

1385
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 2: and everybody. So it's probably gonna end up on ESPN

1386
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:25,680
Speaker 2: pay per view if everybody puts it all together, and

1387
01:03:27,240 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 2: we need to protect this at all costs. This is

1388
01:03:29,320 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 2: the fight we need, the fight we deserve. Both guys undefeated,

1389
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 2: both guys already legends in their own way. I want

1390
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:39,320
Speaker 2: to ask you quickly here, Luke, you still you still

1391
01:03:39,360 --> 01:03:42,760
Speaker 2: got a favor fury for a lot of reasons. So

1392
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 2: are the two Joshua wins super overly impressive? That shows

1393
01:03:46,480 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 2: everybody that no matter the matchup, USA can find a

1394
01:03:48,920 --> 01:03:51,200
Speaker 2: way or is it a little bit of fool's goal

1395
01:03:51,240 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 2: because Joshua tried to box twice, and Fury can do everything,

1396
01:03:54,320 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 2: including lean on him if he needs to.

1397
01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: Well, I think just beating Joshua twice again over the

1398
01:03:59,040 --> 01:04:02,920
Speaker 1: course of twenty four rounds, dude, that's very difficult to

1399
01:04:02,920 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 1: do up a weight class. That's very difficult to do,

1400
01:04:06,280 --> 01:04:06,520
Speaker 1: and to.

1401
01:04:06,600 --> 01:04:08,760
Speaker 2: Not get screwed on the cards and doing.

1402
01:04:08,520 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 1: That right, That's right, that's right, pretty pretty fucking impressive. Right. However,

1403
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 1: I think Fury is a different animal. I think Fury

1404
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,680
Speaker 1: thinks on his feet. I think they're gonna have a

1405
01:04:20,680 --> 01:04:24,440
Speaker 1: great game plan and I think that Usik will make it,

1406
01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 1: no doubt about it competitive. This is not going to

1407
01:04:27,520 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 1: be a guy that's going to be easy to put

1408
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:31,480
Speaker 1: away either. But I think the buck stops at Fury.

1409
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:33,800
Speaker 1: I think Fury is not just you know, all this

1410
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 1: crazy sales guy and you know this carnival show and

1411
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 1: everything else in these huge dimensions and everything. But dude,

1412
01:04:42,560 --> 01:04:44,760
Speaker 1: he's a He's a thinking man's fighter, he really is.

1413
01:04:45,200 --> 01:04:47,000
Speaker 2: Oh, and he'll get off off the canvas Luke. He

1414
01:04:47,040 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 2: has no problem and that the hardy showed in the

1415
01:04:49,360 --> 01:04:52,200
Speaker 2: third Wilder fight. We have to remember that right, Holy shit,

1416
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:52,800
Speaker 2: we have to again.

1417
01:04:52,880 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 1: I just go back to round eight. You watch round

1418
01:04:55,040 --> 01:04:57,919
Speaker 1: eight of this second Joshua and Husick fight, and you're like, dude,

1419
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 1: there's ways we're a big heavyweight to put it on us.

1420
01:05:00,680 --> 01:05:03,080
Speaker 1: We just didn't see enough of it. Fury's gonna find him.

1421
01:05:03,080 --> 01:05:04,320
Speaker 1: I feel like Fury's gonna go.

1422
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:07,480
Speaker 2: And and Fury's not afraid to get gnarly, whether that's cheating,

1423
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 2: whether that's leaning, brawling, whether whatever. I mean, he.

1424
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,600
Speaker 1: Literally too It's like due. Joshua was always kind of

1425
01:05:12,680 --> 01:05:16,520
Speaker 1: a little bit afraid of contact. You know, Fucking Tyson

1426
01:05:16,560 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 1: Fury is nots Furry has fought the biggest puncher of

1427
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:23,240
Speaker 1: this generation three fucking times. You know.

1428
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 2: It was always in Tyson Fury meaning to have what

1429
01:05:26,920 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 2: he to have the heart to do with like getting

1430
01:05:28,720 --> 01:05:30,720
Speaker 2: up off the canvas in round twelve of the first

1431
01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 2: Wilder fight. It was always in him. But I think

1432
01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:35,640
Speaker 2: that Otto Vaileen fight he had after that first Wilder

1433
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 2: fight where the you know, eyes busted open, the fight

1434
01:05:38,280 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 2: could have been stopped at any round. I think, really, Luke,

1435
01:05:40,560 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 2: that's where he learned how to use the big man's

1436
01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:46,160
Speaker 2: style and really cut you know, I mean he He

1437
01:05:46,240 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 2: completely did what you're supposed to do when you're hurt

1438
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:50,800
Speaker 2: and you're in danger there, and he used all of

1439
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 2: his advantages. You do that against Usick, it's gonna change

1440
01:05:53,840 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 2: the equation. But I want to close by giving Usik

1441
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:58,160
Speaker 2: his ups. Did you notice that after round eight and nine,

1442
01:05:58,160 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 2: which looked disastrous, Usik looked ready to be to be stopped. Really,

1443
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 2: he took that right cross from Joshua Luke, that would

1444
01:06:04,840 --> 01:06:08,120
Speaker 2: have folded anybody. Did you see that right right hand

1445
01:06:08,160 --> 01:06:11,400
Speaker 2: that Joshua in round ten and Usk just took it

1446
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 2: and came right back and rallied. That's like a like

1447
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:18,320
Speaker 2: he's he's a real one. He's a real one, Luke.

1448
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:20,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's tough as shit, there's no denying it. I

1449
01:06:20,880 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 1: just feel like Fury, he's something special. He's something special. Yeah,

1450
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 1: all right, let's talk about this topic number three. We

1451
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 1: have a shit ton of fight announcements. Let's go through

1452
01:06:31,800 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 1: them here very quickly. BC. We'll start with this one.

1453
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:37,240
Speaker 1: And I saw this and I was like, damn, they're

1454
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:43,200
Speaker 1: doing WonderBoy, dirty Shop caught Rock Monov versus Stephen Thompson.

1455
01:06:43,240 --> 01:06:46,200
Speaker 1: There's a timetable not set, but likely before the end

1456
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:50,200
Speaker 1: of the year. Holy shit, now listen, yeah, seven Thompson.

1457
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 1: He can surprise people even in his in this advanced

1458
01:06:52,840 --> 01:06:56,160
Speaker 1: age that he has, But fucking giving him to rock

1459
01:06:56,240 --> 01:06:59,120
Speaker 1: Monov it just feels like they're setting him up for

1460
01:06:59,160 --> 01:07:00,560
Speaker 1: an execution, that Thompson.

1461
01:07:00,600 --> 01:07:03,520
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's also the right fight to make. Seriously,

1462
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 2: it really is timing wise, the right opponent at the

1463
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:09,040
Speaker 2: right time. You know, different style from the most recent ones,

1464
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:12,040
Speaker 2: veteran former title contender, all that can still fill up

1465
01:07:12,080 --> 01:07:14,040
Speaker 2: a marquee and help give a little bit of a rub.

1466
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:16,840
Speaker 2: But yes, that's a lot to ask of a guy

1467
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:20,040
Speaker 2: at this age, damn. But look, it'd be it could be.

1468
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:22,720
Speaker 2: The right test could really be what if Chhafcutts got

1469
01:07:22,760 --> 01:07:25,240
Speaker 2: to think and be really violent and precise but also

1470
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:25,880
Speaker 2: really think.

1471
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:29,720
Speaker 1: Luke, Yeah he will. He'll have to think his way through,

1472
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 1: but he tends to do that pretty easily. This is

1473
01:07:33,520 --> 01:07:36,400
Speaker 1: an interesting one. Tony Ferguson wants to go back to

1474
01:07:36,520 --> 01:07:39,960
Speaker 1: welterweight and take on the Leach Or I want to

1475
01:07:39,960 --> 01:07:41,840
Speaker 1: say back to Walter I think he had fought there previously.

1476
01:07:41,880 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 1: But le Jiang Lang confirmed for UFC two seventy nine

1477
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:48,760
Speaker 1: September tenth. I gotta tell.

1478
01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:50,919
Speaker 2: You welterweight tough champion, Luke.

1479
01:07:51,120 --> 01:07:55,520
Speaker 1: Yes, he had previously fought at welter weight. My point is,

1480
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:58,040
Speaker 1: I gotta say he went to Jackson's. He went up

1481
01:07:58,040 --> 01:07:59,840
Speaker 1: a weight class which at this point in his age

1482
01:07:59,880 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 1: is probably not as actually a pretty good idea and

1483
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:06,600
Speaker 1: Lijeng Lang very very tough, very difficult fight, but it

1484
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 1: seems like, at least in theory, winnable for Ferguson. I

1485
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:12,800
Speaker 1: gotta say, I kind of like this a little bit.

1486
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:13,360
Speaker 1: What do you think?

1487
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't like it, but I think Tony

1488
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 2: has deserved a shot, a chance to have this opportunity,

1489
01:08:19,439 --> 01:08:23,080
Speaker 2: a chance to carve out one more run on your

1490
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:26,840
Speaker 2: own terms, I'm suspect of it just on what I've seen,

1491
01:08:27,439 --> 01:08:31,040
Speaker 2: and it's and you know, this opponent could could do

1492
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 2: damage on him, Luke if it goes bad. So it

1493
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 2: is an interesting fight from the standpoint that we really

1494
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:38,400
Speaker 2: don't know if it'll go bad and maybe really bad,

1495
01:08:38,920 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 2: or if this is sort of the right matchup that

1496
01:08:41,520 --> 01:08:43,720
Speaker 2: an old sort of legend and that's what Tony islet

1497
01:08:43,880 --> 01:08:45,639
Speaker 2: I mean, the fans treat him like he is. He's

1498
01:08:45,680 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 2: deserved it again he's capable of winning it. Yes, but

1499
01:08:49,640 --> 01:08:51,760
Speaker 2: oh god, Luke, I just it's it.

1500
01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:53,799
Speaker 1: I know it's handler.

1501
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:57,040
Speaker 2: You're like, hit me in the fields, dude, I didn't expect.

1502
01:08:57,080 --> 01:08:59,200
Speaker 2: I didn't realize I love Tony that much. It's hitting

1503
01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:01,800
Speaker 2: me in the fields to the wheels just fall off,

1504
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:04,599
Speaker 2: one by one and again there's not matchmaking that can't

1505
01:09:04,640 --> 01:09:06,640
Speaker 2: do him an honor if they want to do that.

1506
01:09:06,800 --> 01:09:08,559
Speaker 2: This is a tough ass fight, Luke. This is a

1507
01:09:08,600 --> 01:09:10,840
Speaker 2: real hard fight. He's got uh.

1508
01:09:11,360 --> 01:09:14,559
Speaker 1: It certainly is all right. Andre Feeley taken on Bill Algio.

1509
01:09:14,600 --> 01:09:16,880
Speaker 1: By the way, these are gonna go in chronological order.

1510
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:19,320
Speaker 1: So first one I mentioned the tenty fergus to fight

1511
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 1: September tenth, Bill Algio and Andre Feeley, of course, a

1512
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:26,200
Speaker 1: featherweight contest, Algio coming off that win over Herbert Burns.

1513
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 1: This will be September seventeenth, UFC Vegas sixty fun fight.

1514
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:32,920
Speaker 1: I like it. Algo's two for a step up in competition,

1515
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:35,040
Speaker 1: and this is a good test.

1516
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:37,760
Speaker 2: And Pheeley keeps teasing that he's ready to make that

1517
01:09:37,880 --> 01:09:41,519
Speaker 2: real prime run of his maturation. Luke, he keeps teasing it.

1518
01:09:43,560 --> 01:09:46,599
Speaker 1: How about this one he's teasing you? He is. He

1519
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:50,759
Speaker 1: is certainly teasing me Bo Nickel taking on Donovan Beard.

1520
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 1: This will be Dana White's Contender Series Week ten, which

1521
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,200
Speaker 1: will be September twenty seventh. For folks who may not

1522
01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 1: know Donovan Beard, he just won I'm sure if you

1523
01:09:58,320 --> 01:10:01,520
Speaker 1: want or defended it. But he is the existing CFFC

1524
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:06,280
Speaker 1: welterweight excuse me, yes, middleweight champion. He has a seven

1525
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 1: to one record. I actually like this fight a lot

1526
01:10:09,240 --> 01:10:11,559
Speaker 1: because folks are like, I'll just send him to the UFC,

1527
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:14,640
Speaker 1: and yes, we all really agree he can beat Bo

1528
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:17,880
Speaker 1: Nickel UFC level competition and maybe he'll just run through

1529
01:10:17,880 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 1: this guy like a freight train too. It's certainly possible.

1530
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 1: But a guy who's seven and one holds a title

1531
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:26,720
Speaker 1: on the regional scene. Okay, now we are going to

1532
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:30,400
Speaker 1: get a much clearer sense of exactly where his abilities lie.

1533
01:10:30,439 --> 01:10:32,639
Speaker 1: This fight may go to the second or third round,

1534
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:35,200
Speaker 1: we may see a little bit more of Bo Nichol's game,

1535
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 1: or we may not. Either way, this is the first

1536
01:10:38,280 --> 01:10:40,759
Speaker 1: test in his career that will give us at least

1537
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 1: some kind of indication about where he's at.

1538
01:10:44,240 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's aggressive, but it's not dangerously aggressive yet because

1539
01:10:48,320 --> 01:10:50,360
Speaker 2: you know, there's some criticism of yeah, could he already

1540
01:10:50,400 --> 01:10:51,880
Speaker 2: be there right now? Did he already show you enough?

1541
01:10:51,920 --> 01:10:52,120
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1542
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 2: Combined he did, But why rush? You know you like this?

1543
01:10:55,120 --> 01:10:57,639
Speaker 2: They have made mistakes in the past, well, certain guys rushing.

1544
01:10:57,680 --> 01:11:01,240
Speaker 2: So this is a way of having your own development system.

1545
01:11:01,280 --> 01:11:04,040
Speaker 2: It's like on the boxing side, people will forever credit

1546
01:11:04,120 --> 01:11:06,320
Speaker 2: Top Rank for being the best matchmakers. They just know

1547
01:11:06,360 --> 01:11:08,600
Speaker 2: how to get a guy from point you know, A,

1548
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 2: to point B and have him experience what he needs

1549
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 2: to experience to make sure he's ready for it. As

1550
01:11:15,439 --> 01:11:17,920
Speaker 2: much as we always praise the matchmaking, that's like video

1551
01:11:17,920 --> 01:11:20,280
Speaker 2: game level match making, Like high on a couch. Who

1552
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 2: are the two most exciting guys, Let's match him together.

1553
01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:24,479
Speaker 2: We all love that, right, and that's we get a

1554
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:27,599
Speaker 2: lot of that. This is also kind of necessary, and

1555
01:11:27,680 --> 01:11:30,880
Speaker 2: I think, you know, we don't. The cameras aren't normally

1556
01:11:30,920 --> 01:11:34,240
Speaker 2: this zoomed in on this part of a fighter's career,

1557
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 2: even a fighter who's you know, it seemed destined for

1558
01:11:37,400 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 2: big things. But we can still watch that growth and

1559
01:11:41,040 --> 01:11:43,040
Speaker 2: make it make it must see and it has been

1560
01:11:43,080 --> 01:11:45,120
Speaker 2: I think it will be. Bow looks like it looks

1561
01:11:45,120 --> 01:11:46,760
Speaker 2: like a pretty cool dude, Luke Okay, I don't know

1562
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:49,280
Speaker 2: if that equals, you know, winning fights, but uh, I

1563
01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:50,880
Speaker 2: think I think if we had him on the couch

1564
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:52,880
Speaker 2: one day, I think we'd all fallen together.

1565
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:57,760
Speaker 1: All right. That's weird, uh gyr Zeno. Rosen strike is

1566
01:11:57,840 --> 01:12:02,160
Speaker 1: our Rosen Strook. We'll take on Chris Dawcas's the UFC

1567
01:12:02,280 --> 01:12:06,400
Speaker 1: Vegas sixty one October first heavyweight contest. Chris Daucas. I

1568
01:12:06,439 --> 01:12:09,439
Speaker 1: think looking for some rebound opportunities. I think rosenscrooks same

1569
01:12:09,520 --> 01:12:12,879
Speaker 1: kind of way. It just seems to me if I'm Dawcas,

1570
01:12:12,920 --> 01:12:15,160
Speaker 1: I might want to consider wrestling a little bit here.

1571
01:12:15,400 --> 01:12:15,800
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1572
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:18,839
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, it's like the perfect loser's bracket

1573
01:12:18,920 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 2: TV fight. Somebody's gonna get knocked out. Both need it

1574
01:12:21,960 --> 01:12:24,400
Speaker 2: really bad. But you do wonder if this is the

1575
01:12:24,400 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 2: point where Daucas adds on makes a pivot, Well, it

1576
01:12:26,920 --> 01:12:28,360
Speaker 2: is a perfect fight for that. I mean on the

1577
01:12:28,360 --> 01:12:32,360
Speaker 2: flip side, Luke Rosen strikes stock not all that high

1578
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:35,400
Speaker 2: right now? No, I mean this is this as maker now?

1579
01:12:35,560 --> 01:12:36,880
Speaker 2: Is this a make or break fight? I mean, we

1580
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:38,400
Speaker 2: love to add that on top. We like to just

1581
01:12:38,400 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 2: put that candle right on top of the cupcake, Luke.

1582
01:12:40,560 --> 01:12:41,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if I don't know if it's that,

1583
01:12:41,800 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 1: but I'll tell you for Chris Dawcas, it would be

1584
01:12:43,320 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 1: the biggest name on his record right for sure that

1585
01:12:47,160 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 1: if he can get the win. How about this one, dude?

1586
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:51,560
Speaker 1: Can you believe it? Seampunk is calling fights, which is

1587
01:12:51,560 --> 01:12:54,040
Speaker 1: a good gig by the way I think for CFFC.

1588
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:57,760
Speaker 1: But Mike Jackson still the MM media guy, still in

1589
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:00,599
Speaker 1: the UFC. He's gonna take on Pete Rodgers. This will

1590
01:13:00,640 --> 01:13:04,360
Speaker 1: be UFC Vegas sixty two, October fifteenth. God bless Mike Jackson. Boy,

1591
01:13:04,640 --> 01:13:08,360
Speaker 1: he has he has had a much longer UFC run

1592
01:13:08,400 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 1: than I thought was gonna happen. So good for him.

1593
01:13:10,080 --> 01:13:13,080
Speaker 2: I mean, it's hard because, like you know, he's acted

1594
01:13:13,080 --> 01:13:15,679
Speaker 2: like a peacock in the cage and that really really

1595
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 2: pissed off Dana. But it's like, you know, do I

1596
01:13:18,920 --> 01:13:20,760
Speaker 2: do I think he's a clown for that. I mean,

1597
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:22,960
Speaker 2: some of the antics kind of made you feel good

1598
01:13:22,960 --> 01:13:26,280
Speaker 2: to me, But he's also proving that you know, now

1599
01:13:26,280 --> 01:13:28,360
Speaker 2: only does he have a chance to redeem his his

1600
01:13:28,400 --> 01:13:30,640
Speaker 2: sort of reputation on how we've known him up to

1601
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 2: this point. You keep getting chances and come back. It

1602
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:35,640
Speaker 2: shows you're a survivor, survivor and a fighter, and that

1603
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:38,200
Speaker 2: you know that takes some navigation too. A lot of

1604
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 2: guys would have gone full time videographer after that moment, Luke,

1605
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 2: but he's gonna come back and fight it out, so

1606
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be interested. I want to I want to

1607
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:45,320
Speaker 2: see this.

1608
01:13:45,520 --> 01:13:48,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, I got barbecue with him in Texas. What fight

1609
01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:52,160
Speaker 1: was that? I can't remember. And he's a good dude,

1610
01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:56,120
Speaker 1: he's a he's a funny guy, all right. Misha Serkanov

1611
01:13:56,240 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 1: taking on Alonzo Minifield UFC Vegas sixty two. It's the

1612
01:13:59,040 --> 01:14:01,840
Speaker 1: same card October fifth Team. Here's why that's relevant. Remember

1613
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:04,120
Speaker 1: Serkoov jumped down to one eighty five to see what

1614
01:14:04,160 --> 01:14:05,599
Speaker 1: he could do there. I didn't go all that great.

1615
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 1: So Menifield is a light heavyweight, so I'm guessing Kerkoov

1616
01:14:09,520 --> 01:14:12,439
Speaker 1: is now going back to two five, and I kind

1617
01:14:12,439 --> 01:14:14,000
Speaker 1: of agree with that. It's like, I don't know really

1618
01:14:14,000 --> 01:14:15,800
Speaker 1: what he got from the one eighty five experience. It

1619
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:17,439
Speaker 1: didn't make him faster. I mean maybe he was a

1620
01:14:17,479 --> 01:14:20,840
Speaker 1: little bit stronger, but it didn't didn't change his his

1621
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 1: the way in which he interacted with his opponents in

1622
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:25,120
Speaker 1: any kind of observable way, So why not just go

1623
01:14:25,200 --> 01:14:27,760
Speaker 1: back with the less weight cut. Minifield's a tough guy

1624
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:29,640
Speaker 1: to beat, but you know, I think it's winnable in

1625
01:14:29,640 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 1: either direction here.

1626
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:32,840
Speaker 2: So I mean, what do he get? He got dehydration

1627
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:35,479
Speaker 2: and probably tighter abs Luke from that experience, but I

1628
01:14:35,479 --> 01:14:37,439
Speaker 2: think he'll be better up. You know, it's it's not

1629
01:14:37,479 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 2: you got to you gotta do something here. Let's make

1630
01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:40,840
Speaker 2: that move, Let's go for it. There's there's still some

1631
01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 2: life in there.

1632
01:14:41,560 --> 01:14:45,160
Speaker 1: Look okay, same card at I think Bansam weight, haf

1633
01:14:45,160 --> 01:14:49,840
Speaker 1: Ala Sunsow taking on Victor Henry a sunshow in desperate need.

1634
01:14:50,120 --> 01:14:52,639
Speaker 1: I think of a win at this point.

1635
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:55,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I have so many. He's just one

1636
01:14:55,400 --> 01:14:58,720
Speaker 2: of those like Hammers that never got the acclaim, like

1637
01:14:58,760 --> 01:15:01,280
Speaker 2: never had his rdam moll meant to go from like

1638
01:15:01,880 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 2: you know, behind the scenes, the real fans love him.

1639
01:15:03,880 --> 01:15:06,160
Speaker 2: But he's been in big fights, Luke, and he's he's

1640
01:15:06,200 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 2: always shown up, you know.

1641
01:15:07,560 --> 01:15:09,840
Speaker 1: He certainly has. Now we move to the next one

1642
01:15:09,920 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 1: UFC fight night on October twenty ninth, The Olympian is back.

1643
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,680
Speaker 1: Mark O Mattson No. He's not Irish. Oh Is is

1644
01:15:16,920 --> 01:15:21,880
Speaker 1: the beginning initial of his middle name, taking on Drakar close, dude.

1645
01:15:21,880 --> 01:15:25,000
Speaker 1: That should be a fun action fight for as long

1646
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:27,400
Speaker 1: as it lasts. I love the matchmaking here.

1647
01:15:27,880 --> 01:15:29,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll accept this.

1648
01:15:29,320 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 1: Let's do it. How about this one? Hanatsomikano taking on

1649
01:15:32,960 --> 01:15:37,320
Speaker 1: Brad Riddell UFC tune eighty one. Yes, fucking please?

1650
01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:38,160
Speaker 2: Wow?

1651
01:15:38,200 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 1: Great is this one? BC?

1652
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:41,599
Speaker 2: Yeah? That's like when you go to your favorite band's

1653
01:15:41,640 --> 01:15:43,479
Speaker 2: concert and then they're like doing a Zeppelin cover and

1654
01:15:43,520 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 2: you're like, really, okay, yeah, let's let's you know, yeah,

1655
01:15:47,360 --> 01:15:48,800
Speaker 2: let's let's do it.

1656
01:15:49,080 --> 01:15:51,439
Speaker 1: Moi Kano back at one fifty five Riddell in need

1657
01:15:51,439 --> 01:15:53,559
Speaker 1: of a win quite badly. This is gonna be a

1658
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:55,680
Speaker 1: fun one. These were all gonna be. From UFC to

1659
01:15:55,760 --> 01:15:56,200
Speaker 1: eighty one.

1660
01:15:56,600 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 2: You're ask your favorite led Zeppel album and you could

1661
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:02,160
Speaker 2: not produce an answer, and it did make me question

1662
01:16:02,400 --> 01:16:05,680
Speaker 2: whether we were really meant to be uh coexisting.

1663
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 1: It's the one with all the good songs. Carolina Koblekeevitch

1664
01:16:10,439 --> 01:16:14,559
Speaker 1: taken on Silvana Gomez Warez This will be again, UFC

1665
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:17,320
Speaker 1: two eighty one. You know, I gotta tell you this

1666
01:16:17,320 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 1: should be a winnable fight for cobl Keevich. I know

1667
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:21,800
Speaker 1: Gomez Warez had a nice win in her last fight,

1668
01:16:21,920 --> 01:16:25,720
Speaker 1: the knockout, but I've not been overly blown away by

1669
01:16:25,760 --> 01:16:29,679
Speaker 1: the Argentines ability. Cobl Kievitch had a nice rebound obviously,

1670
01:16:29,720 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 1: we saw this is an interesting one for.

1671
01:16:31,320 --> 01:16:33,959
Speaker 2: Her, Yeah, for sure. And you know that that rebound

1672
01:16:34,040 --> 01:16:36,920
Speaker 2: was so emotional that when anyone gets that at that age,

1673
01:16:36,920 --> 01:16:39,240
Speaker 2: in that moment, you have to like, you know, was

1674
01:16:39,280 --> 01:16:40,880
Speaker 2: that the moment for them just to get back and

1675
01:16:40,960 --> 01:16:43,720
Speaker 2: prove that or is this the beginning of something. She's

1676
01:16:43,720 --> 01:16:45,599
Speaker 2: certainly gonna have to come out and prove that because

1677
01:16:45,760 --> 01:16:47,920
Speaker 2: she was so flat during that losing streak that it's

1678
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:50,720
Speaker 2: just something seemed wrong, you know, it seemed it was

1679
01:16:50,760 --> 01:16:53,040
Speaker 2: weird to see how quickly she fell off. Let's give

1680
01:16:53,040 --> 01:16:55,400
Speaker 2: her a chance to climb back this seat, like you said,

1681
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:58,280
Speaker 2: could could be a winnable fight. This it's sad. See

1682
01:16:58,280 --> 01:17:01,720
Speaker 2: in my strawweight Harrows go away, Luke okay, h.

1683
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 1: A same card. Matt Fravola taken on atman as I

1684
01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:07,640
Speaker 1: tar for Vola. This guy who's got like a hell

1685
01:17:07,680 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 1: of an engine himself kind of been up and down

1686
01:17:10,200 --> 01:17:12,080
Speaker 1: in the octagon against atman as I Tar, who I

1687
01:17:12,080 --> 01:17:14,600
Speaker 1: think was previously cut for that weird balcony incident or

1688
01:17:14,600 --> 01:17:17,880
Speaker 1: whatever the fuck. But he's back. He's a hammer, he's

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01:17:17,880 --> 01:17:20,960
Speaker 1: certainly got big power. We'll see how much happens there.

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01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:22,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if you have any thoughts about it.

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01:17:23,000 --> 01:17:26,360
Speaker 2: Uh No, does Fravola use the nickname rock and rolla

1692
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:29,360
Speaker 2: like Anthony Crola, the boxer Dead Lou That isn't.

1693
01:17:29,120 --> 01:17:31,400
Speaker 1: He steam rolla something like that?

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01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 2: Okay, that's not that bad. That's that's pretty okay.

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01:17:34,439 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 1: This one is interesting. How about this one? Dan Hooker

1696
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:39,760
Speaker 1: taking on the Peruvian princes or prince of Peru which

1697
01:17:39,760 --> 01:17:43,160
Speaker 1: everyone name. He has Claudio POGs again UFC twot eighty one.

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01:17:44,040 --> 01:17:46,960
Speaker 2: Uh well, Luke, is this lightweight now?

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01:17:47,320 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 1: Yes? Back at lightweight? Yes, dude, that's a hell of

1700
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:53,400
Speaker 1: a fight. I love this in both directions and like

1701
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:56,640
Speaker 1: Hookers in need of a win. But dude, old Claudio

1702
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,000
Speaker 1: can fight his ass off. He is not to be

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01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:02,760
Speaker 1: fooled with, by the way, obviously, but fully bilingual, can

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01:18:02,760 --> 01:18:06,480
Speaker 1: do media in English. He might be poised for stardom.

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01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:08,320
Speaker 1: That's one to keep your eye on this kid.

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01:18:08,720 --> 01:18:12,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, dude, I it's this dude, hooker only fights

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01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:14,920
Speaker 2: great fights. He only fights great fighters in great fights.

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01:18:15,240 --> 01:18:17,200
Speaker 2: I wish he would have had more wins Luke during

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01:18:17,240 --> 01:18:20,120
Speaker 2: some of those, but you know, somebody's got to take

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01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:22,120
Speaker 2: the l Luke. He just keeps coming back looking to

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01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:24,439
Speaker 2: find that spark, and you just you want to see

1712
01:18:24,479 --> 01:18:26,080
Speaker 2: him get there. Look, you want to see him find

1713
01:18:26,080 --> 01:18:26,559
Speaker 2: that all right.

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01:18:26,520 --> 01:18:28,679
Speaker 1: Right, But I'll say this in his defense this time

1715
01:18:28,720 --> 01:18:33,679
Speaker 1: one full camp and number two the right way class right,

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01:18:33,760 --> 01:18:35,320
Speaker 1: so we're in the right way class four. I mean,

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01:18:35,320 --> 01:18:37,559
Speaker 1: he's gonna get a full camp. He's not fighting a

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01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:40,200
Speaker 1: top ten guy. Let's see what he can do. Let's

1719
01:18:40,200 --> 01:18:40,800
Speaker 1: see what he can do.

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01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:43,120
Speaker 2: Not everyone's willing to give money to an old hooker Luke,

1721
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:44,720
Speaker 2: but I still pay to watch him fight, you.

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01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:51,120
Speaker 1: Know, dad, uh Carla A Sparzo. This is probably gonna

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01:18:51,120 --> 01:18:53,800
Speaker 1: be your co main event. Who's your existing champion at

1724
01:18:53,800 --> 01:18:57,519
Speaker 1: strawweight taking on Jong Wai Lee BC? Do you like

1725
01:18:57,600 --> 01:18:59,760
Speaker 1: this title fight? Do you like this title fight being

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01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 1: on the card? I think for me the answer is

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01:19:02,120 --> 01:19:03,719
Speaker 1: mostly yes in both directions.

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01:19:03,840 --> 01:19:06,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love it. I love this fight and this

1729
01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:10,639
Speaker 2: division so rarely ever disappoints, And boy did that Rose

1730
01:19:10,680 --> 01:19:13,559
Speaker 2: Carla rematch do that and made sort of like who's

1731
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:15,439
Speaker 2: the real champ, Who's the best fighter at the moment,

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01:19:15,520 --> 01:19:17,439
Speaker 2: It's kind of hard to tell. I do think if

1733
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:20,600
Speaker 2: anybody young Wayley has been coming on and and I

1734
01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 2: mean she seemed to have found whatever she was looking

1735
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:26,240
Speaker 2: for after the high Kick loss to Rose, even though

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01:19:26,280 --> 01:19:31,840
Speaker 2: she lost the rematch, she just looked, she looked, she

1737
01:19:31,840 --> 01:19:35,479
Speaker 2: looked really focused, she looked really confident. The game plan

1738
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:39,040
Speaker 2: changes have been good. And then obviously she made quick

1739
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:44,280
Speaker 2: work of Yanna in outrageously spectacular fashion. So this, I mean,

1740
01:19:44,320 --> 01:19:48,040
Speaker 2: as the comaine to Ansanya and Padeda. Give me that, Luke,

1741
01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:50,280
Speaker 2: New York City. Let's let's go bro. This is good.

1742
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:52,960
Speaker 2: This is good. I mean, Wayley may make a round here, Luke,

1743
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:54,559
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. I mean, you can't count

1744
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:57,360
Speaker 2: Rose out. Rose flip fives, you can't count her out.

1745
01:19:57,400 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 2: Mackenzie Durn's coming on. There's there's there's some fighters here.

1746
01:20:00,160 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 1: Always always see Tatiano Suarez. She's still out there rehabbing

1747
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:06,679
Speaker 1: and getting ready and everything. She seems like she's getting

1748
01:20:06,720 --> 01:20:09,719
Speaker 1: pretty close to her return. So we'll see. Yeah, Okay,

1749
01:20:09,840 --> 01:20:11,840
Speaker 1: we move away from UFC two eighty one now ur

1750
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:15,639
Speaker 1: November nineteenth, which could be the weekend we don't know yet,

1751
01:20:15,680 --> 01:20:18,799
Speaker 1: but again one of the rumored weekends that could potentially

1752
01:20:18,880 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 1: be the Spence Versus Crawford fight at they end up

1753
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:24,200
Speaker 1: making it. Vanessa Demopolis, who we saw out in Vegas

1754
01:20:24,200 --> 01:20:27,959
Speaker 1: our last time out, taking on Maria Olivana, Vanessa Demopolas,

1755
01:20:27,960 --> 01:20:29,400
Speaker 1: showing a little bit of life that in ways I

1756
01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:31,120
Speaker 1: wasn't sure that we were going to see. But good

1757
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:32,000
Speaker 1: for her. Now done it.

1758
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:35,320
Speaker 2: And she makes fun fights, Luke. And sometimes she's take takes,

1759
01:20:35,720 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes she finds h to gets really close

1760
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:40,880
Speaker 2: to losing before she finds a way to win. And

1761
01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:43,000
Speaker 2: that certainly makes a really I mean, she's factory MMA

1762
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:45,559
Speaker 2: approve if you're looking for that answer, Luke. Okay, if

1763
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:48,000
Speaker 2: we were a real you know, a managerial team or promotion,

1764
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 2: we'd be we'd be you know, I mean, this is

1765
01:20:50,439 --> 01:20:52,200
Speaker 2: she makes fun fights. Let's keep going.

1766
01:20:52,360 --> 01:20:55,519
Speaker 1: Let's do it all right, Bob Lawler, Robbie Lawler, just

1767
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:57,439
Speaker 1: taking on I mean we talk about like you know,

1768
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:00,840
Speaker 1: RDA's resume and Jeremy Stevens's resume, it's up and it's down.

1769
01:21:00,840 --> 01:21:03,439
Speaker 1: But it's just nothing but hammers. How about fucking Robbie

1770
01:21:03,479 --> 01:21:07,000
Speaker 1: Lawler now taking on Santiago Ponds and nibbio dude, Robbie Lawler,

1771
01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:09,759
Speaker 1: I mean, for folks who don't realize this. Robbie Lawler

1772
01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:12,640
Speaker 1: knocked out Tiki Ghoson, who has been a manager for

1773
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:15,479
Speaker 1: fighters for like over a decade. Some motherfucker is so

1774
01:21:15,600 --> 01:21:18,680
Speaker 1: old he has knocked out fighters.

1775
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:21,120
Speaker 2: I don't want to get fearful of you know the

1776
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:25,120
Speaker 2: amount of damage. But he came up in the Bettendorf.

1777
01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:26,080
Speaker 1: Militant military fighting system.

1778
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:29,320
Speaker 2: Every practice session is a full on fight like that.

1779
01:21:29,360 --> 01:21:30,840
Speaker 2: He came up old school.

1780
01:21:30,840 --> 01:21:33,320
Speaker 1: I mean he fought Evan Tanner, I mean and shit

1781
01:21:33,439 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 1: like that. Like it's unbelievable that he's still around. But

1782
01:21:36,040 --> 01:21:38,479
Speaker 1: I do worry about the damage. Anyway, It will continue

1783
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:41,280
Speaker 1: UFC two eighty two, December tenth, God bless him. Love

1784
01:21:41,320 --> 01:21:44,360
Speaker 1: the fight. It's gonna be a war. It's gonna be

1785
01:21:44,400 --> 01:21:46,559
Speaker 1: a war. That's right, It's gonna be the same.

1786
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:47,439
Speaker 2: Wow.

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01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:49,800
Speaker 1: And then last but not least you know this is

1788
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:51,800
Speaker 1: you mentioned do or die. I do think it might

1789
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:53,599
Speaker 1: be do or die for Deron Winn. I like Deron

1790
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 1: a lot, but after that last performance against Phil Hawes.

1791
01:21:56,479 --> 01:21:58,000
Speaker 1: Seems like the riding is gonna be in the wall.

1792
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:00,120
Speaker 1: If you want to stick around, you gotta win this one.

1793
01:22:00,280 --> 01:22:03,640
Speaker 2: Hungry. I mean, he's he's tough as shit, but you know,

1794
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:05,280
Speaker 2: I don't know, Luke.

1795
01:22:05,439 --> 01:22:07,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the number seventeenth for this one.

1796
01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:11,599
Speaker 2: Marquezws former Golden Boy MMA star Luke, Okay, that's right.

1797
01:22:11,520 --> 01:22:13,960
Speaker 1: That's right, along with Tom Lawler. All right, that's it

1798
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:15,479
Speaker 1: for our topics here. I want to do the World

1799
01:22:15,640 --> 01:22:17,720
Speaker 1: MMA Awards read I don't see one here, but let's

1800
01:22:17,720 --> 01:22:20,479
Speaker 1: just remind folks we are up and nominated again for

1801
01:22:20,520 --> 01:22:23,400
Speaker 1: Best MMA Programming. Please be so kind as to vote

1802
01:22:23,400 --> 01:22:25,840
Speaker 1: for us. You have no idea how transformative it would

1803
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:27,920
Speaker 1: be for us. It would be huge, huge, huge.

1804
01:22:28,000 --> 01:22:30,080
Speaker 2: You told that I've been giving the wrong info, Luke.

1805
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:32,840
Speaker 2: I think we are at the final round? Am I right? Mikey,

1806
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:34,719
Speaker 2: Mikey put me in my place? Is this the one.

1807
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:36,880
Speaker 1: Where no, no, no, this is it? There's no final round?

1808
01:22:37,000 --> 01:22:40,879
Speaker 1: Like we're in the final round. This is there's the nominees,

1809
01:22:40,920 --> 01:22:42,880
Speaker 1: there's five nominees I think total, and we're in it

1810
01:22:42,920 --> 01:22:44,560
Speaker 1: and that's it. Like there's no second round to this

1811
01:22:44,600 --> 01:22:45,840
Speaker 1: ship you got to vote now.

1812
01:22:46,080 --> 01:22:48,360
Speaker 2: Maybe I'm thinking of the other Podcast Award that we're

1813
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:50,120
Speaker 2: in the final round and now it just comes down

1814
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:52,680
Speaker 2: to like the select viewers to vote. Yeah, maybe it's

1815
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:54,880
Speaker 2: maybe this is open season right now on us.

1816
01:22:55,000 --> 01:22:57,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I'm glad this is the one. We went

1817
01:22:57,160 --> 01:22:58,080
Speaker 1: to Vegas four last time.

1818
01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:00,360
Speaker 2: Dude, this is the one, and I'm I'm ready to

1819
01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:01,880
Speaker 2: win it the second time if our people would be

1820
01:23:01,960 --> 01:23:03,800
Speaker 2: so kind. But it's up to them, Luke, Okay, I can't.

1821
01:23:03,840 --> 01:23:05,360
Speaker 1: I can't thank you doing it. So if you're watching

1822
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:07,320
Speaker 1: the show on YouTube, there's a QR code on the screen.

1823
01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:09,000
Speaker 1: Just put your phone up to it and go vote.

1824
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 1: If you're listening on the podcast World mm Awards plural

1825
01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:17,800
Speaker 1: dot com slash nominees, Worldmeme Awards dot Com slash nominees,

1826
01:23:18,120 --> 01:23:20,639
Speaker 1: please go vote for us. It would be huge, huge,

1827
01:23:20,720 --> 01:23:22,840
Speaker 1: huge if you had all like the show and you

1828
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:24,719
Speaker 1: want to support us, and you haven't about merged because

1829
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 1: you know, hey, you got to keep your money where

1830
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:28,720
Speaker 1: it is. I get it. Here's a very simple way

1831
01:23:28,760 --> 01:23:30,800
Speaker 1: for you to help us that doesn't cost you a dime.

1832
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:34,760
Speaker 1: Please help us. It'd be great, all right, b See,

1833
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:37,760
Speaker 1: let's try this before we get to fan subs. The

1834
01:23:37,920 --> 01:23:40,719
Speaker 1: producers wanted us to do something like our top favorite

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01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 1: our five favorite things.

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01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:45,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, still time, let's fill time and have fun,

1837
01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:45,719
Speaker 2: you know, let's.

1838
01:23:45,560 --> 01:23:47,599
Speaker 1: Gee, let's fill some time, have some fun. So they

1839
01:23:47,600 --> 01:23:53,080
Speaker 1: asked us to do our top five favorite strikers to watch. Now,

1840
01:23:53,160 --> 01:23:56,160
Speaker 1: let's be clear about this. This is not five best

1841
01:23:56,200 --> 01:24:00,679
Speaker 1: all time. This is not our five best even right now.

1842
01:24:01,200 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 1: Listen to the way we are describing it. These are

1843
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:09,479
Speaker 1: our top five favorite, just who we like for the

1844
01:24:09,520 --> 01:24:12,200
Speaker 1: reasons that we like them. Now, BC, a couple of

1845
01:24:12,240 --> 01:24:13,800
Speaker 1: questions for you. One, do you want to go for

1846
01:24:13,880 --> 01:24:17,599
Speaker 1: in order? Like five, five, four, four? Okay? Exactly, Okay,

1847
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:20,760
Speaker 1: here's what I'm gonna say about mind BC. I picked these, yes,

1848
01:24:20,920 --> 01:24:23,840
Speaker 1: based on a little bit of ability, obviously, but I

1849
01:24:23,880 --> 01:24:26,240
Speaker 1: wanted to find fighters who, like you know, predominantly do

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01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:28,680
Speaker 1: their best work in this field as opposed to like

1851
01:24:28,680 --> 01:24:32,280
Speaker 1: ground and pound artists. And here's my way of which

1852
01:24:32,280 --> 01:24:34,439
Speaker 1: I selected them. Which ones bring me the most joy?

1853
01:24:34,479 --> 01:24:36,400
Speaker 1: Which ones when I see their fights come up, I

1854
01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:38,120
Speaker 1: get the spidy sense, same thing.

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01:24:38,040 --> 01:24:41,200
Speaker 2: I did, Luke, same thing I did, by the way. Okay,

1856
01:24:41,200 --> 01:24:42,680
Speaker 2: and I think this is the debut of a new

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01:24:42,720 --> 01:24:45,600
Speaker 2: segment we have called Sinco de MK. Is that is

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01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:48,200
Speaker 2: that that's not a pro that's not that's not it.

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01:24:48,240 --> 01:24:50,479
Speaker 1: I didn't only if you did, it would be Sinco

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01:24:50,680 --> 01:24:53,360
Speaker 1: dem ca. That's how it would be. Okay.

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01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:55,960
Speaker 2: I don't want to be disrespectful to anybody's people's luke,

1862
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:58,160
Speaker 2: but Sinco DMK is going to be a killer segment

1863
01:24:58,240 --> 01:24:58,639
Speaker 2: moving forward.

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01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:02,519
Speaker 1: I'm telling you sink okay. So how about this? You

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01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:06,160
Speaker 1: go first, I'll go second. Who is your top five

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01:25:06,439 --> 01:25:09,679
Speaker 1: number five favorite striker to watch PC?

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01:25:09,880 --> 01:25:12,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, long time watching her, first time screaming about it.

1868
01:25:13,120 --> 01:25:15,800
Speaker 2: How about a legend to me and sort of my

1869
01:25:15,920 --> 01:25:18,680
Speaker 2: favorite fighters. He's been with Belator a long time and

1870
01:25:18,720 --> 01:25:22,880
Speaker 2: he's been knocking fools the hell out Andre Spartan Koreshkov.

1871
01:25:23,160 --> 01:25:27,080
Speaker 2: I believe multiple time Belaitor welterweight champion had injuries in

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01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:30,280
Speaker 2: recent years, has only consistently lost to the very best.

1873
01:25:30,280 --> 01:25:32,599
Speaker 2: But why do I enjoy watching him fight so much?

1874
01:25:33,280 --> 01:25:36,479
Speaker 2: Because he is savage as shit and it took a

1875
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:38,360
Speaker 2: long time for him to round out his game and

1876
01:25:38,400 --> 01:25:41,479
Speaker 2: his original fights. Watch the title loss to Ben Askern.

1877
01:25:41,560 --> 01:25:45,320
Speaker 2: He was raw in many categories, but he throws everything

1878
01:25:45,640 --> 01:25:49,640
Speaker 2: into every strike, and he's technical enough that he's not

1879
01:25:49,760 --> 01:25:53,400
Speaker 2: some cave man. But it is like, I don't know

1880
01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:56,240
Speaker 2: if I feel like I'm watching street fights sometimes when

1881
01:25:56,280 --> 01:25:59,280
Speaker 2: he explodes, when he lands the type of shots that

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01:25:59,320 --> 01:26:02,800
Speaker 2: he patiently that's up these shots and fights, and he's

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01:26:02,840 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 2: tough his nails, and he's been in some very good

1884
01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:07,439
Speaker 2: fights and I'm not even sure everyone's seen against some

1885
01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:11,000
Speaker 2: very good names. If Smartan's gonna be back around, That's

1886
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:13,240
Speaker 2: how it used to be as a fan and journalist

1887
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:15,920
Speaker 2: for me. Oh oh, Kreshkov's on this shit. I'm watching it.

1888
01:26:16,280 --> 01:26:18,320
Speaker 2: I was there when he won back the title at

1889
01:26:18,360 --> 01:26:21,280
Speaker 2: the Mohegan Sun and it was a it was a

1890
01:26:21,280 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 2: fun moment. There was that Benson Henderson. I'm thinking of

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01:26:23,400 --> 01:26:23,680
Speaker 2: that fight.

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01:26:23,760 --> 01:26:26,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, he beat the shit out of him.

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Speaker 2: You know, this is not technicole, you know, city kickboxing here, Luke,

1894
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 2: But this is a guy who smashes. He makes fun fights,

1895
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:36,519
Speaker 2: and I've always had a specific love for how he

1896
01:26:36,640 --> 01:26:39,840
Speaker 2: sets up these fight ending smashes. He's a smart dude,

1897
01:26:40,400 --> 01:26:43,120
Speaker 2: but he leans heavily into the violent side of him

1898
01:26:43,120 --> 01:26:44,160
Speaker 2: to get the job done.

1899
01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:46,720
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like that pick. That's a good one for me, though,

1900
01:26:46,720 --> 01:26:48,439
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go a bit of a different direction. For me,

1901
01:26:48,520 --> 01:26:51,200
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go for my number five pick. I'm gonna

1902
01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:55,120
Speaker 1: go Raphael Fazev. He is a guy that when I

1903
01:26:55,160 --> 01:26:57,800
Speaker 1: see his name come up in matchmaking, I get that

1904
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:00,960
Speaker 1: Spidey sense that this is a to watch. I like

1905
01:27:01,040 --> 01:27:03,840
Speaker 1: his acrobatic defense where he does the lean back the

1906
01:27:03,880 --> 01:27:06,800
Speaker 1: matrix type stuff that's obviously fun and flashy. But BA See,

1907
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 1: the reason why I like him is because he's got

1908
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:11,479
Speaker 1: a hard nose striking style. Right. He can fight you

1909
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:14,280
Speaker 1: at kickboxing range and he's devastating there. But dude, he

1910
01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:16,200
Speaker 1: can be hit a little bit. He'll fight in boxing

1911
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:19,280
Speaker 1: range and mix it up, but he's devastating there too. Obviously,

1912
01:27:19,320 --> 01:27:21,240
Speaker 1: with the winover RDA and the way that he got it,

1913
01:27:21,479 --> 01:27:26,479
Speaker 1: he is poised for something special and he he's the

1914
01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:30,040
Speaker 1: best of both worlds. He's got the technical pedigree when

1915
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:32,760
Speaker 1: he needs it, and he's got the hard nosed attitude

1916
01:27:33,120 --> 01:27:35,439
Speaker 1: when it's time to deliver. Plus at this stage in

1917
01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:38,000
Speaker 1: his career anyway, he likes to entertain. It seems like

1918
01:27:38,040 --> 01:27:40,160
Speaker 1: a little bit he likes to give something back to

1919
01:27:40,200 --> 01:27:42,840
Speaker 1: the fans. So for me, I'm always gonna side with

1920
01:27:42,880 --> 01:27:45,000
Speaker 1: people that got that slickness. That's to me the most

1921
01:27:45,040 --> 01:27:48,799
Speaker 1: important thing. But you sprinkle on top the acrobatic matrix

1922
01:27:48,800 --> 01:27:50,880
Speaker 1: shit as well as just a biting down on the

1923
01:27:50,920 --> 01:27:54,160
Speaker 1: mouthpiece at times. He's a fun guy. He's a fun

1924
01:27:54,400 --> 01:27:57,160
Speaker 1: talented striker to watch. He's my number five pick.

1925
01:27:57,400 --> 01:27:59,599
Speaker 2: He's one of those guys where he's exploded. He's so

1926
01:27:59,640 --> 01:28:03,280
Speaker 2: exploded that I'm not really sure how great he can be.

1927
01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:05,680
Speaker 2: Like he's gonna be in big fights, I'm sure, but

1928
01:28:05,840 --> 01:28:08,080
Speaker 2: I'm convinced that he can do anything at any time.

1929
01:28:08,120 --> 01:28:10,439
Speaker 2: He's one of those guys like like Prime Anthony Pettis, right,

1930
01:28:10,520 --> 01:28:13,000
Speaker 2: can do anything at any time and this fight can

1931
01:28:13,080 --> 01:28:15,080
Speaker 2: be over. I get that feeling watching him, So I

1932
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:15,559
Speaker 2: like that pick.

1933
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:17,479
Speaker 1: Luke, all right, who's your number four? All right?

1934
01:28:17,479 --> 01:28:19,679
Speaker 2: My number four? Look, this is like a hardcore pick.

1935
01:28:19,680 --> 01:28:21,920
Speaker 2: It might surprise you. But how about some love for

1936
01:28:22,040 --> 01:28:24,840
Speaker 2: d rod Daniel Rodriguez. Luke, you know this guy? You

1937
01:28:24,880 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 2: know this guy?

1938
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:25,559
Speaker 1: Right?

1939
01:28:25,600 --> 01:28:28,759
Speaker 2: He is much I mean, he happens to be pretty

1940
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:30,519
Speaker 2: damn good and is climbing on a nice run at

1941
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:32,519
Speaker 2: the moment. He must be injured or something. He's been

1942
01:28:32,520 --> 01:28:34,720
Speaker 2: out for a while. But when I see him on

1943
01:28:34,880 --> 01:28:38,080
Speaker 2: the card, it is musty TV. So why, first of all,

1944
01:28:38,200 --> 01:28:40,480
Speaker 2: does he have a bad ass side to him? Absolutely,

1945
01:28:40,479 --> 01:28:42,479
Speaker 2: he could take a big punch. Sometimes he takes too

1946
01:28:42,479 --> 01:28:45,320
Speaker 2: many big punches, but then Ralli's back And it's not

1947
01:28:45,520 --> 01:28:48,160
Speaker 2: that though necessarily it's not even the sort of like

1948
01:28:48,680 --> 01:28:52,559
Speaker 2: Nate Diazi swagger that he carries, but it is the

1949
01:28:52,640 --> 01:28:56,559
Speaker 2: whole package. He's got an aggressive tattoo set and he

1950
01:28:56,640 --> 01:29:01,439
Speaker 2: carries himself while still being a very interesting and tough

1951
01:29:01,479 --> 01:29:04,960
Speaker 2: to figure out striker in almost a street fight schoolyard

1952
01:29:05,080 --> 01:29:07,519
Speaker 2: swagger to him. I mean, you can confuse it with

1953
01:29:07,600 --> 01:29:09,840
Speaker 2: stuckt in there, Luke, but he's got his own, his

1954
01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:12,040
Speaker 2: own rhythm to it. And when he gets in the

1955
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:13,960
Speaker 2: midst of a fight, which he often pretty much is,

1956
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:14,960
Speaker 2: he goes for it.

1957
01:29:15,479 --> 01:29:15,599
Speaker 1: Uh.

1958
01:29:16,120 --> 01:29:19,320
Speaker 2: The craft that he shows from a from a swagger

1959
01:29:19,479 --> 01:29:22,240
Speaker 2: stance of his hands off and dropped it always surprises me.

1960
01:29:22,280 --> 01:29:24,400
Speaker 2: He has an ability to get off shots at very

1961
01:29:24,400 --> 01:29:26,920
Speaker 2: good angles and make them heavy and make them count.

1962
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:29,519
Speaker 2: I love his combinations. I love when he's in a

1963
01:29:29,560 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 2: fight and he's going downhill and he knows he's taking

1964
01:29:32,160 --> 01:29:35,240
Speaker 2: the momentum and the control his ability to pick guys apart.

1965
01:29:35,600 --> 01:29:37,599
Speaker 2: It doesn't look like he's going to have that craft.

1966
01:29:37,840 --> 01:29:40,559
Speaker 2: But he also adds some very interesting footwork, combinat and

1967
01:29:40,600 --> 01:29:44,960
Speaker 2: you know, natural boxing entrance and exits that I think

1968
01:29:44,960 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 2: there's a lot more to his game than people realize

1969
01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:48,759
Speaker 2: when you see the blood and guts and the tattoo,

1970
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:51,280
Speaker 2: and I mean he's willing. He's willing to make those fights.

1971
01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:54,439
Speaker 2: But there's something intriguing about his South ball boxing style

1972
01:29:54,479 --> 01:29:58,080
Speaker 2: and how he's adapted to the game without compromising from

1973
01:29:58,240 --> 01:30:00,360
Speaker 2: that swagger that that makes him fun to watch. That

1974
01:30:01,120 --> 01:30:03,240
Speaker 2: he's good. He may you know, he may win some

1975
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:05,639
Speaker 2: fights that you don't think, Luke, he can fight this guy.

1976
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:08,080
Speaker 1: He's a problem solver, you know. That's what you want

1977
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:10,080
Speaker 1: out of these guys. You want guys to take some risks,

1978
01:30:10,080 --> 01:30:11,920
Speaker 1: no doubt about it, but you want them to like,

1979
01:30:12,400 --> 01:30:17,760
Speaker 1: you know, uh, figure things out. Excuse me. I would

1980
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:20,120
Speaker 1: say that Rodriguez does that and more Like people look

1981
01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:22,080
Speaker 1: at him with the tattoos and they think, oh, brawler.

1982
01:30:22,720 --> 01:30:25,160
Speaker 1: Well that's not really fair, is it. He's a guy

1983
01:30:25,240 --> 01:30:27,120
Speaker 1: yet he'll mix it up with you. Okay, it's not

1984
01:30:27,160 --> 01:30:30,320
Speaker 1: like he's afraid of contact. But to me if you

1985
01:30:30,600 --> 01:30:32,800
Speaker 1: just you. This is a perfect case of don't judge

1986
01:30:32,800 --> 01:30:34,760
Speaker 1: a book by its cover, depending on your You know me,

1987
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:36,439
Speaker 1: I'm not against the tattoos, but I know a lot

1988
01:30:36,479 --> 01:30:38,240
Speaker 1: of people kind of see that and think you must

1989
01:30:38,280 --> 01:30:39,840
Speaker 1: be one kind of fighter. It's not really fair with

1990
01:30:39,920 --> 01:30:42,000
Speaker 1: Daniel Rodriguez. He can do a lot. He can do

1991
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:44,280
Speaker 1: a lot. I like him, and he's fun and he

1992
01:30:44,360 --> 01:30:47,479
Speaker 1: gets shited done. He figures opponents out and then really

1993
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:50,479
Speaker 1: kind of is malicious in a good way. Like you.

1994
01:30:51,080 --> 01:30:53,320
Speaker 2: He's so good technically that it's almost like you want

1995
01:30:53,320 --> 01:30:55,200
Speaker 2: to tell him to dial down the edge. But the

1996
01:30:55,320 --> 01:30:58,320
Speaker 2: edge is what is what allows him to take chances

1997
01:30:58,320 --> 01:31:00,880
Speaker 2: and win big fights, right, And he's fun in that way.

1998
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:03,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right for number four for me, now, he's

1999
01:31:03,360 --> 01:31:05,160
Speaker 1: had some troubles although he's got a big fight coming

2000
01:31:05,200 --> 01:31:08,240
Speaker 1: up against song Ya Dong. I'm gonna go Corey Sandagen.

2001
01:31:08,439 --> 01:31:11,240
Speaker 1: I love watching Cory Sandhagen go at. And he's got

2002
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:14,840
Speaker 1: his own style. Man. He's switching stances all different kinds

2003
01:31:14,880 --> 01:31:17,280
Speaker 1: of ways. He's hitting you from angles and it's this

2004
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:19,639
Speaker 1: punch and he's exiting and it's back at this angle.

2005
01:31:20,040 --> 01:31:22,920
Speaker 1: And I still think he hasn't fully figured out how

2006
01:31:22,960 --> 01:31:25,160
Speaker 1: he wants to fight or fully apply it. And again

2007
01:31:25,400 --> 01:31:27,960
Speaker 1: you've seen him come up short, you know, against TJ. Dillashaw,

2008
01:31:28,000 --> 01:31:31,360
Speaker 1: against Yan, against other guys. But but in terms of

2009
01:31:31,439 --> 01:31:35,920
Speaker 1: like the different fun ways the new wave, so to speak,

2010
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:38,840
Speaker 1: especially in that bantamwey division, but more generally among the

2011
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:42,000
Speaker 1: next vanguard of strikers. Who do I put at that

2012
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:45,559
Speaker 1: next vanguard of strikers, Well, there's several guys, but one

2013
01:31:45,600 --> 01:31:48,559
Speaker 1: of them would be Corey Sandhagen. Corey Sandagen goes out

2014
01:31:48,560 --> 01:31:54,839
Speaker 1: there and does really interesting constant motion, constant trickery, constant deception,

2015
01:31:55,439 --> 01:31:58,120
Speaker 1: and when he's you know, in his element and doing

2016
01:31:58,120 --> 01:32:00,960
Speaker 1: the things that he wants to do, he's a joy

2017
01:32:01,040 --> 01:32:02,920
Speaker 1: to watch. I think we'll have to see about the

2018
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:05,040
Speaker 1: other parts of his game. Has he got as well

2019
01:32:05,080 --> 01:32:07,400
Speaker 1: rounded as he needs to be, as he consistently applied

2020
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:08,760
Speaker 1: as much as he needs to all the things that

2021
01:32:08,800 --> 01:32:11,920
Speaker 1: have kind of held him back. But I love watching

2022
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:14,439
Speaker 1: this guy strike. And I think, as I mentioned, part

2023
01:32:14,439 --> 01:32:17,080
Speaker 1: of that future you see leading the way in which

2024
01:32:17,200 --> 01:32:18,680
Speaker 1: MMA striking is headed.

2025
01:32:20,080 --> 01:32:22,720
Speaker 2: Very well said, to be honest, him and Cheyenne for

2026
01:32:22,760 --> 01:32:25,519
Speaker 2: Listmus just barely missed the cut of my top five, Luke,

2027
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:29,000
Speaker 2: and I love the innovation, the thought process behind it.

2028
01:32:29,200 --> 01:32:32,639
Speaker 2: How dangerous he's been able to land single strikes, which

2029
01:32:32,920 --> 01:32:35,960
Speaker 2: certainly allows him more control of the terms. And once

2030
01:32:35,960 --> 01:32:38,120
Speaker 2: he's got you in his web, he has fun to

2031
01:32:38,160 --> 01:32:41,200
Speaker 2: watch him pick guys apart with shots that they wouldn't

2032
01:32:41,200 --> 01:32:45,680
Speaker 2: necessarily expect in that moment. It's tough to see him

2033
01:32:45,680 --> 01:32:47,320
Speaker 2: out the current run right now, because you know how

2034
01:32:47,400 --> 01:32:49,120
Speaker 2: much he puts into these big fights and how close

2035
01:32:49,160 --> 01:32:51,479
Speaker 2: he's gotten to have almost like we were talking about

2036
01:32:51,520 --> 01:32:53,920
Speaker 2: Dan Hooker, a fighter that is of that ilk. But

2037
01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:56,200
Speaker 2: in the biggest moments, I've had more losses than wins

2038
01:32:56,240 --> 01:32:58,200
Speaker 2: of late, But I think there's still time for this

2039
01:32:58,240 --> 01:33:00,160
Speaker 2: guy to put it all together. It's the right fight

2040
01:33:00,200 --> 01:33:02,320
Speaker 2: at the right time, the right moment. He's been close

2041
01:33:02,360 --> 01:33:05,519
Speaker 2: to delivering those moments, Luke, And it's the striking that's

2042
01:33:05,560 --> 01:33:07,120
Speaker 2: so fun. I mean, you know he's he's a wizard

2043
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:09,479
Speaker 2: on the ground too, and can get fights from from

2044
01:33:09,560 --> 01:33:11,240
Speaker 2: on the feet to the ground in no time. But

2045
01:33:11,520 --> 01:33:14,760
Speaker 2: it's the way he sets up those creative strikes. It's exotic, Luke.

2046
01:33:14,800 --> 01:33:16,280
Speaker 1: I like it all right, It certainly is all right.

2047
01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:17,800
Speaker 1: Who's your third pick.

2048
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:20,800
Speaker 2: A classic here? And it's hard not to have this

2049
01:33:20,840 --> 01:33:22,920
Speaker 2: guy because I like guys that jump through the screen

2050
01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:25,920
Speaker 2: that they can finish a fight any time, and that

2051
01:33:26,080 --> 01:33:30,519
Speaker 2: is the Brazilian legend, Yes Edson Barbosa, who has such

2052
01:33:30,560 --> 01:33:36,320
Speaker 2: a variety of just vicious knockout performances, of different varieties

2053
01:33:36,360 --> 01:33:41,120
Speaker 2: of ultimate Terry Adam, you know, spinning spectacular, but just

2054
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:44,559
Speaker 2: also other gritty ones and on the flip side, because

2055
01:33:44,720 --> 01:33:46,960
Speaker 2: he has such a badass and in two divisions has

2056
01:33:47,040 --> 01:33:51,320
Speaker 2: always matched himself as difficult as possible. He has spectacular losses,

2057
01:33:51,640 --> 01:33:55,600
Speaker 2: but he has the respect and reputation. He didn't just

2058
01:33:55,640 --> 01:33:59,360
Speaker 2: become this highlight reel guy like. He's as gritty and tough.

2059
01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:01,280
Speaker 2: I mean the beat he took against a bebe to

2060
01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:04,280
Speaker 2: prove that he could. You know, he wins a lot

2061
01:34:04,320 --> 01:34:06,920
Speaker 2: of points in those categories. But if you're asking me

2062
01:34:06,960 --> 01:34:09,200
Speaker 2: outside of the moments he's created and the fact that

2063
01:34:09,400 --> 01:34:11,760
Speaker 2: he brings an edge to watching a fight knowing that

2064
01:34:11,800 --> 01:34:14,880
Speaker 2: it could go you know, wild at any time, is

2065
01:34:15,360 --> 01:34:18,680
Speaker 2: for a guy that violent in the way the results are.

2066
01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:24,320
Speaker 2: There's an almost jazz like smoothness to how he enters

2067
01:34:24,360 --> 01:34:27,320
Speaker 2: into the spinning back kicks and the other you know,

2068
01:34:27,400 --> 01:34:29,479
Speaker 2: creative setups. And he's a threat with his hands too.

2069
01:34:29,800 --> 01:34:31,360
Speaker 2: But it's almost like I was just watching on the

2070
01:34:31,400 --> 01:34:33,439
Speaker 2: Showtime app a good plug for your thirty days free

2071
01:34:33,479 --> 01:34:37,280
Speaker 2: at showtime dot com, the NYC point Guards documentary on

2072
01:34:37,400 --> 01:34:39,919
Speaker 2: New York City point Guards, and you know they rightfully,

2073
01:34:40,280 --> 01:34:42,759
Speaker 2: you know, really put up like Mark Jackson, Rod Stricklan,

2074
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:45,960
Speaker 2: Kenny Anderson for for not only being great and representatives

2075
01:34:46,000 --> 01:34:48,360
Speaker 2: of the city, but with that swagger where you know,

2076
01:34:48,400 --> 01:34:50,720
Speaker 2: you watch the old Rod Strickland highlights and ray for

2077
01:34:50,800 --> 01:34:53,120
Speaker 2: Austin to skip to my lou and it's like they're

2078
01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:57,559
Speaker 2: dancing through it. Dude, Barbosa is as beautiful to watch

2079
01:34:57,640 --> 01:35:01,280
Speaker 2: like baseball Darryl Strawberry swing. I mean, it's just so beauty.

2080
01:35:01,360 --> 01:35:04,599
Speaker 2: Ken Griffyth Juter so beautiful to watch. Edson's the best

2081
01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:08,439
Speaker 2: example of being like as violent and devastating a dream

2082
01:35:08,520 --> 01:35:11,640
Speaker 2: fighter for a fan to watch and then also being graceful.

2083
01:35:11,720 --> 01:35:13,280
Speaker 2: And I told you the story, Luke, I'll say it

2084
01:35:13,280 --> 01:35:16,120
Speaker 2: again of being at att in South Florida for interviews

2085
01:35:16,120 --> 01:35:20,560
Speaker 2: with CBS and just hearing the most out lot outrageously

2086
01:35:20,680 --> 01:35:24,240
Speaker 2: loud and obnoxious sound of wach back and I mean

2087
01:35:24,280 --> 01:35:26,280
Speaker 2: it was so damn loud you thought they were beating

2088
01:35:26,280 --> 01:35:30,160
Speaker 2: animals outside. You know, it's Edson's Barbosa lightly warming up

2089
01:35:30,200 --> 01:35:33,320
Speaker 2: and doing spin kicks against the pads. And I know

2090
01:35:33,400 --> 01:35:35,280
Speaker 2: that any pro fighter, if you sit next to him,

2091
01:35:35,360 --> 01:35:38,120
Speaker 2: I did that, you'd get a little intimidated. Holy shit,

2092
01:35:38,200 --> 01:35:40,479
Speaker 2: was like watching an alien just you know, just sprout

2093
01:35:40,560 --> 01:35:43,400
Speaker 2: six arms. Luke. I mean this guy, I love. I

2094
01:35:43,439 --> 01:35:45,680
Speaker 2: love that man, and obviously he's got some.

2095
01:35:45,720 --> 01:35:47,800
Speaker 1: He's got some of the best highlight reel finishes literally

2096
01:35:47,840 --> 01:35:50,920
Speaker 1: in UFC history, like, for example, that that knee, the

2097
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:55,400
Speaker 1: vertical knee he hit on Vanil Daryush one shot put

2098
01:35:55,439 --> 01:35:57,280
Speaker 1: him out. How about the lag kicks on haf Aelo

2099
01:35:57,400 --> 01:36:01,760
Speaker 1: tractor Olavana. How about the beat down of was it

2100
01:36:01,800 --> 01:36:03,680
Speaker 1: Mike Lulo or whoever the fuck he fought in his

2101
01:36:03,880 --> 01:36:07,360
Speaker 1: in his promotional debut like Terry Adam where he turned

2102
01:36:07,400 --> 01:36:10,120
Speaker 1: him into a mannequin. I mean, do he has some

2103
01:36:10,160 --> 01:36:14,599
Speaker 1: of the most incredible finishes any UFC fighter will ever have,

2104
01:36:15,200 --> 01:36:17,000
Speaker 1: And do dude, they had. You know, eventually he got

2105
01:36:17,040 --> 01:36:18,360
Speaker 1: beat on the field a little bit, but for the

2106
01:36:18,439 --> 01:36:21,080
Speaker 1: vast majority of his losses it's because dudes were trying

2107
01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:23,280
Speaker 1: to take him down consistently because they didn't want any

2108
01:36:23,320 --> 01:36:25,840
Speaker 1: fucking part of that dynamite. And who could blame them,

2109
01:36:25,920 --> 01:36:26,120
Speaker 1: you know?

2110
01:36:26,840 --> 01:36:29,200
Speaker 2: And this is about favorite strikers, and and he he

2111
01:36:29,240 --> 01:36:31,840
Speaker 2: could be in anyone's top five. But he's also got

2112
01:36:31,840 --> 01:36:34,040
Speaker 2: a backbone on him that I just always. You're gonna

2113
01:36:34,040 --> 01:36:34,559
Speaker 2: respect that.

2114
01:36:34,600 --> 01:36:35,000
Speaker 1: To the end.

2115
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:37,920
Speaker 2: Luke, You're just gonna damn. He's willing, Luke.

2116
01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:40,680
Speaker 1: He's always his resume, the RDA, the Stevens is the

2117
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:43,960
Speaker 1: Bob Lawlers. Check out Barbos's resume. There ain't a fucking

2118
01:36:44,000 --> 01:36:46,280
Speaker 1: ounce of fat on it, man, I mean, just nothing

2119
01:36:46,320 --> 01:36:49,040
Speaker 1: but hammers the whole way through. All right, for my

2120
01:36:49,120 --> 01:36:51,559
Speaker 1: number three BC, it's gonna be a pretty easy one.

2121
01:36:51,600 --> 01:36:53,360
Speaker 1: We interviewed him. I interviewed him on the show here

2122
01:36:53,439 --> 01:36:56,479
Speaker 1: before the Break a couple months before Adrian yan Yez.

2123
01:36:56,520 --> 01:36:58,000
Speaker 1: I want to see how they put up the graphic too.

2124
01:36:58,000 --> 01:36:59,840
Speaker 1: By the way, let's see how they did it, Okay,

2125
01:37:00,040 --> 01:37:01,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask a favor. I know it wasn't intentional.

2126
01:37:01,960 --> 01:37:03,560
Speaker 1: Why I don't want to ask the graphics people a

2127
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:06,080
Speaker 1: favor going forward? You got to put a squiggle over

2128
01:37:06,120 --> 01:37:08,280
Speaker 1: the end it's an NYA and he has you know,

2129
01:37:08,400 --> 01:37:11,519
Speaker 1: anglicized his name to accommodate everyone else. Let's make sure

2130
01:37:11,560 --> 01:37:13,439
Speaker 1: we accommodate him and get the NYA over that is

2131
01:37:13,439 --> 01:37:17,080
Speaker 1: Adrian Yanyez. But BC, how do you not like this kid?

2132
01:37:17,160 --> 01:37:20,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's two reasons why I like him. One,

2133
01:37:20,840 --> 01:37:24,400
Speaker 1: I like that he has this sort of boxing centered game.

2134
01:37:24,439 --> 01:37:26,280
Speaker 1: And when I interviewed him, you know it, talked to

2135
01:37:26,360 --> 01:37:29,120
Speaker 1: him about boxing. He loves it, and he's incorporating all

2136
01:37:29,120 --> 01:37:32,160
Speaker 1: these different elements and he's trying and he's theorizing and

2137
01:37:32,200 --> 01:37:34,960
Speaker 1: it's working. And his understanding of the game given some

2138
01:37:35,000 --> 01:37:38,280
Speaker 1: of those precepts is really remarkable. So I'm excited about

2139
01:37:38,280 --> 01:37:41,000
Speaker 1: what he's already shown, which is dramatic and not just

2140
01:37:41,040 --> 01:37:43,960
Speaker 1: boxing by the way, kickboxing two with that. But I'm

2141
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:46,439
Speaker 1: excited about where he can go. I'm excited about what

2142
01:37:46,960 --> 01:37:50,679
Speaker 1: he and other people like him represent for that future.

2143
01:37:50,720 --> 01:37:54,120
Speaker 1: A guy who can take boxing sensibilities bring it to

2144
01:37:54,160 --> 01:37:57,519
Speaker 1: an Nima game build out more than just that obviously

2145
01:37:57,760 --> 01:38:00,160
Speaker 1: as he has, and then still be young enough to

2146
01:38:00,160 --> 01:38:02,040
Speaker 1: be like, Wow, where's he gonna look? What's he gonna

2147
01:38:02,040 --> 01:38:05,000
Speaker 1: look like? So excuse me? In two three years when

2148
01:38:05,040 --> 01:38:08,040
Speaker 1: he's really entering his prime. I think he's gonna be

2149
01:38:08,400 --> 01:38:10,280
Speaker 1: as exciting as he is. I think he's gonna be

2150
01:38:10,360 --> 01:38:14,280
Speaker 1: even more exciting. I love love watching him. And if

2151
01:38:14,280 --> 01:38:16,320
Speaker 1: you haven't seen the interview, if you like the kind

2152
01:38:16,320 --> 01:38:19,400
Speaker 1: of interviews where fighters allow you to pick their brains

2153
01:38:19,439 --> 01:38:21,360
Speaker 1: and are candid about the things that they see in

2154
01:38:21,439 --> 01:38:25,040
Speaker 1: Talk strategy and talk Shop, you gotta listen to this kid.

2155
01:38:25,080 --> 01:38:28,320
Speaker 1: He's phenomenal. My pick Adrian yan Yez.

2156
01:38:29,080 --> 01:38:32,880
Speaker 2: Great summation, Luke, of of the next generation that's growing.

2157
01:38:32,920 --> 01:38:35,200
Speaker 2: It's like you always ask that good question about boxing,

2158
01:38:35,240 --> 01:38:38,160
Speaker 2: seeing you know, more attempts at at switch hitting of

2159
01:38:38,160 --> 01:38:40,920
Speaker 2: both stances and doing it in a flow almost than

2160
01:38:41,000 --> 01:38:43,439
Speaker 2: ever before. It's like this next generation in MMA are

2161
01:38:43,479 --> 01:38:45,479
Speaker 2: starting to just kind of like when you know, after

2162
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:48,400
Speaker 2: GSP suddenly everyone's training from day one to be a

2163
01:38:48,439 --> 01:38:51,240
Speaker 2: complete mixed martial artist. It's the you're watching it happen.

2164
01:38:51,680 --> 01:38:53,360
Speaker 2: But he's also kind of a bad ass, Luke, and

2165
01:38:53,400 --> 01:38:56,480
Speaker 2: he watches Morning Combat. So Adrian Yanez with the creativity,

2166
01:38:56,800 --> 01:39:00,879
Speaker 2: his love of the box like myself, Luke, right and boxing.

2167
01:39:01,320 --> 01:39:03,840
Speaker 1: I gotta like this guy, all right, who's your second pick?

2168
01:39:05,240 --> 01:39:07,439
Speaker 2: My number two Look, it may not surprise you because

2169
01:39:07,479 --> 01:39:12,240
Speaker 2: she's my favorite fighter to watch consistently, but how about

2170
01:39:12,320 --> 01:39:16,320
Speaker 2: rosnama Unis and how about her striking game cerebrally and

2171
01:39:16,360 --> 01:39:18,920
Speaker 2: obviously you know this is one of the prime reasons

2172
01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:22,360
Speaker 2: why Trevor Whitman has deserved so much recognition Coach of

2173
01:39:22,400 --> 01:39:24,360
Speaker 2: the Year last year. And I know, you know, this

2174
01:39:24,439 --> 01:39:26,000
Speaker 2: is how the game works. It just so happens that

2175
01:39:26,080 --> 01:39:28,559
Speaker 2: his three big fighters all lost in title fights. And

2176
01:39:28,640 --> 01:39:31,479
Speaker 2: it wasn't, you know, necessarily impressive or inspiring, and that's

2177
01:39:31,479 --> 01:39:34,439
Speaker 2: the truth. But that happens in this game. What Rose

2178
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:37,679
Speaker 2: has done with Trevor, you know, from obviously her debut

2179
01:39:37,760 --> 01:39:40,960
Speaker 2: with Tough with the UFC to losing the inaugural title fight,

2180
01:39:42,400 --> 01:39:45,200
Speaker 2: she's it's it's beautiful to watch, you know. I talk

2181
01:39:45,200 --> 01:39:47,639
Speaker 2: about watching Barbosa, where it's so violent, but it's also

2182
01:39:47,760 --> 01:39:51,479
Speaker 2: so like there's so much, you know, elegance to it.

2183
01:39:51,880 --> 01:39:54,600
Speaker 2: Rose is like that to a certain degree, only she

2184
01:39:54,720 --> 01:39:57,200
Speaker 2: also can end the fight at any time with one strike.

2185
01:39:57,240 --> 01:39:58,880
Speaker 2: And you think of her in the first y Wanna fight,

2186
01:39:59,080 --> 01:40:02,080
Speaker 2: just surprising you with setting up that hook, and you

2187
01:40:02,160 --> 01:40:03,960
Speaker 2: think certainly of the head kick against way Lee. I

2188
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:06,280
Speaker 2: mean at the absolute highest level and the most tense

2189
01:40:06,280 --> 01:40:09,600
Speaker 2: and poison moment. She can go from cerebral and a

2190
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:13,160
Speaker 2: technician to an assassin. And that's why it's so fun

2191
01:40:13,200 --> 01:40:15,640
Speaker 2: because she was more of a submission threat when she

2192
01:40:15,720 --> 01:40:17,920
Speaker 2: first came on, as you know, this next rounda rousey

2193
01:40:18,600 --> 01:40:21,880
Speaker 2: in some degree, as the marketing push was. And do

2194
01:40:21,920 --> 01:40:24,559
Speaker 2: I love her intangibles and her story and how she

2195
01:40:24,760 --> 01:40:27,640
Speaker 2: lives lives at all public on her sleeve. Yeah, of

2196
01:40:27,680 --> 01:40:30,400
Speaker 2: course that that's what makes her so much. See, but

2197
01:40:30,400 --> 01:40:32,879
Speaker 2: I think it's fueled by this evolution as a striker

2198
01:40:32,920 --> 01:40:37,240
Speaker 2: where I don't think a lot of people, male or female,

2199
01:40:37,240 --> 01:40:40,040
Speaker 2: have a brain like that, and that's why Trevor seemed

2200
01:40:40,040 --> 01:40:41,840
Speaker 2: to be the perfect coach at the perfect time. And

2201
01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:45,000
Speaker 2: what they've built together I think, you know, on the

2202
01:40:45,080 --> 01:40:47,040
Speaker 2: on the women's side, that's helped evolve striking in a

2203
01:40:47,320 --> 01:40:49,840
Speaker 2: huge way. Her coming to prominence in the work they've

2204
01:40:49,880 --> 01:40:52,479
Speaker 2: done together, because she's as good as it gets, Luke

2205
01:40:52,520 --> 01:40:54,280
Speaker 2: on any given night, there's no question about it.

2206
01:40:54,560 --> 01:40:57,480
Speaker 1: So what do you make of what went wrong against Carla?

2207
01:40:58,760 --> 01:41:03,160
Speaker 2: Hearing that extended interview with Pat Barry afterwards, I believe

2208
01:41:03,160 --> 01:41:06,600
Speaker 2: it was with Ariel and I think it's sort of

2209
01:41:07,800 --> 01:41:10,360
Speaker 2: it's kind of been like this recurring theme where you know,

2210
01:41:10,439 --> 01:41:12,479
Speaker 2: Rose is very honest about her mental health journey and

2211
01:41:12,520 --> 01:41:14,640
Speaker 2: like I said, where's everything on her sleeve? And you know,

2212
01:41:15,040 --> 01:41:17,759
Speaker 2: lost in a state as you know, crazy a way

2213
01:41:18,000 --> 01:41:20,200
Speaker 2: against androge her title and then found a way to

2214
01:41:20,240 --> 01:41:23,080
Speaker 2: come back and keeps having these big moments. I don't

2215
01:41:23,080 --> 01:41:26,120
Speaker 2: think it's that old narrative of uncomfortability with the belt,

2216
01:41:26,439 --> 01:41:28,200
Speaker 2: but I think as Pat talked about, there was a

2217
01:41:28,240 --> 01:41:31,519
Speaker 2: specific thing that Rose was looking to do to neutralize Carla,

2218
01:41:31,920 --> 01:41:35,000
Speaker 2: and she did that and maybe not unlike what we

2219
01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:38,639
Speaker 2: were talking about with Aldo against Morab, but different there

2220
01:41:38,680 --> 01:41:42,080
Speaker 2: was almost a contentment with that and not enough onus

2221
01:41:42,080 --> 01:41:45,600
Speaker 2: to go for it. And she's had some of the

2222
01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:48,439
Speaker 2: most fun career to watch because it's been so up

2223
01:41:48,439 --> 01:41:50,200
Speaker 2: and down and you can relate to it so much.

2224
01:41:50,520 --> 01:41:52,600
Speaker 2: But there's a lot of like, I mean, we're at

2225
01:41:52,680 --> 01:41:54,720
Speaker 2: this level and then we're here, but then we're back

2226
01:41:54,720 --> 01:41:56,720
Speaker 2: at that level. And I think that's sort of who

2227
01:41:56,760 --> 01:41:59,160
Speaker 2: she is, and Pat's talking about it just so happens

2228
01:41:59,160 --> 01:42:01,360
Speaker 2: that there's the system. If you look over her wins

2229
01:42:01,360 --> 01:42:03,240
Speaker 2: and losses of order of a certain amount of wins

2230
01:42:03,240 --> 01:42:06,640
Speaker 2: and then a loss, and it's weird that it's that

2231
01:42:06,760 --> 01:42:09,519
Speaker 2: consistent and up and down, But damn, when she's the

2232
01:42:09,640 --> 01:42:11,960
Speaker 2: very best, she is the fucking very best. Pat's right,

2233
01:42:12,160 --> 01:42:14,160
Speaker 2: and a lot of that is how she's evolved as

2234
01:42:14,200 --> 01:42:18,880
Speaker 2: a striker. But she gave away that fight, and you know,

2235
01:42:19,439 --> 01:42:21,160
Speaker 2: we'll probably she hear a rally back and win back

2236
01:42:21,200 --> 01:42:22,960
Speaker 2: the belt knowing her luke, you know, and it's going

2237
01:42:23,040 --> 01:42:24,640
Speaker 2: to be fun to watch. I mean, what can you

2238
01:42:24,680 --> 01:42:26,080
Speaker 2: speak to to her striking evolution.

2239
01:42:26,120 --> 01:42:28,840
Speaker 1: It's been brilliant, It's been super brilliant. The footwork is

2240
01:42:28,840 --> 01:42:31,120
Speaker 1: a big one. The footwork and the flow and the

2241
01:42:31,160 --> 01:42:33,880
Speaker 1: positioning was good. You know, she had an off performance

2242
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:36,000
Speaker 1: in the last one, which tends to happen at times.

2243
01:42:36,000 --> 01:42:38,679
Speaker 1: I mean, no one, no one can be on every time,

2244
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:40,479
Speaker 1: you know. I think in a third fight, if they

2245
01:42:40,520 --> 01:42:43,360
Speaker 1: have another one, it wouldn't look that way. But in general,

2246
01:42:43,400 --> 01:42:45,080
Speaker 1: I think her body of work and what it's shown

2247
01:42:45,160 --> 01:42:47,880
Speaker 1: is what's you know, how devastating she can be and

2248
01:42:47,920 --> 01:42:50,400
Speaker 1: how to your point, it is almost like a dance

2249
01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:56,439
Speaker 1: in there, with the way she's balanced and shifting and moving. It's, frankly,

2250
01:42:56,479 --> 01:42:58,760
Speaker 1: it's kind of like just beautiful to watch, just the

2251
01:42:58,920 --> 01:43:02,759
Speaker 1: movement itself, but the fact that it's so devastating usually

2252
01:43:03,439 --> 01:43:07,640
Speaker 1: is a testament to, you know, just the level of

2253
01:43:07,680 --> 01:43:08,719
Speaker 1: skill that she occupies.

2254
01:43:09,439 --> 01:43:12,479
Speaker 2: Remember the first round of the first Androge fight, she

2255
01:43:12,600 --> 01:43:14,760
Speaker 2: looked like a million dollars? Remember that?

2256
01:43:15,080 --> 01:43:18,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, she really did? All right? So my number two,

2257
01:43:18,880 --> 01:43:21,719
Speaker 1: if I may here BC, I don't know how people

2258
01:43:21,760 --> 01:43:25,160
Speaker 1: exactly view him in totality. He is more than this,

2259
01:43:25,840 --> 01:43:28,160
Speaker 1: but we're talking about, like as a striker, how do

2260
01:43:28,240 --> 01:43:30,720
Speaker 1: we view him? I'm gonna go number two. Alexander Volkonowsky.

2261
01:43:31,160 --> 01:43:33,960
Speaker 1: I am. I am so blown away by what he

2262
01:43:34,040 --> 01:43:37,360
Speaker 1: has done and changed the game. He beat Max Holloway

2263
01:43:37,400 --> 01:43:40,080
Speaker 1: three times basically just striking with him, and I know

2264
01:43:40,120 --> 01:43:42,800
Speaker 1: some of those are controversial, but the last one was not,

2265
01:43:43,040 --> 01:43:46,160
Speaker 1: and it was really just that the whole time, the

2266
01:43:46,200 --> 01:43:48,160
Speaker 1: way which he talked to me about how he scrambles

2267
01:43:48,200 --> 01:43:52,160
Speaker 1: people's brains. I think this is beyond next level. And

2268
01:43:52,240 --> 01:43:54,280
Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of folks still understand or

2269
01:43:54,280 --> 01:43:56,559
Speaker 1: fully appreciate the level that he's on. They're waiting for

2270
01:43:56,600 --> 01:43:59,640
Speaker 1: some kind of devastating knockout. But the reality is is

2271
01:43:59,840 --> 01:44:02,880
Speaker 1: he he can take his style as he's mentioned apply

2272
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:05,680
Speaker 1: it across a wide spectrum of opponents, that's the first thing.

2273
01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:09,560
Speaker 1: And then more than that, he's got world class opponents

2274
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:14,439
Speaker 1: profoundly confused about whether he's coming or going, high or low,

2275
01:44:14,640 --> 01:44:18,040
Speaker 1: left or right, exiting or entering. And it is a

2276
01:44:18,520 --> 01:44:24,160
Speaker 1: magisterial thing to watch. I get so excited to watch

2277
01:44:24,240 --> 01:44:27,559
Speaker 1: him compete, you know, And because I learn new things,

2278
01:44:28,080 --> 01:44:30,000
Speaker 1: I get to see the future of the fight game

2279
01:44:30,080 --> 01:44:32,040
Speaker 1: in the present. It's a big thing. And you'll hear

2280
01:44:32,040 --> 01:44:35,680
Speaker 1: me repeat with a lot of these choices, and Volkanovsky

2281
01:44:35,760 --> 01:44:38,479
Speaker 1: to me is at the very, very very front of

2282
01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:40,000
Speaker 1: the pack, by the way, move to number one on

2283
01:44:40,040 --> 01:44:42,240
Speaker 1: the pound for pound list by virtue of usman's loss.

2284
01:44:42,840 --> 01:44:44,960
Speaker 1: And I think that's fair. I think he is the

2285
01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:47,280
Speaker 1: most talented fighter in the game right now as more

2286
01:44:47,320 --> 01:44:50,320
Speaker 1: than just a striker. But as a striker he is

2287
01:44:50,960 --> 01:44:54,000
Speaker 1: not completely unique. But the total package of what he

2288
01:44:54,520 --> 01:44:59,080
Speaker 1: presents and the basic quandary that his opponents find themselves

2289
01:44:59,080 --> 01:45:03,280
Speaker 1: in is to me without parallel. Basically, I love watching

2290
01:45:03,280 --> 01:45:04,080
Speaker 1: this guy compete.

2291
01:45:04,880 --> 01:45:07,160
Speaker 2: Look, we were waiting for you to sprout a city

2292
01:45:07,240 --> 01:45:09,200
Speaker 2: kicking boner on this top five. I mean, we were

2293
01:45:09,240 --> 01:45:12,400
Speaker 2: just waiting and you know what, I got a dead

2294
01:45:12,439 --> 01:45:15,559
Speaker 2: wrong myself. I've been calling Usman the pound for pound

2295
01:45:15,640 --> 01:45:18,599
Speaker 2: king throughout the build up to the Edwards fight, during

2296
01:45:18,640 --> 01:45:22,479
Speaker 2: and after, and yeah, he was still UFC's look I

2297
01:45:22,520 --> 01:45:25,559
Speaker 2: had on my CBS Sports for whatever that's worth, had

2298
01:45:25,640 --> 01:45:27,720
Speaker 2: made him the number one after doing what he did

2299
01:45:27,800 --> 01:45:31,120
Speaker 2: to Holloway in the third fight, and he was already

2300
01:45:31,200 --> 01:45:34,160
Speaker 2: a wizard and worthy of this countdown, especially if you

2301
01:45:34,200 --> 01:45:36,920
Speaker 2: preferred watching that type of mastery. I don't look at

2302
01:45:37,000 --> 01:45:38,639
Speaker 2: him as much as I look at like Rose as

2303
01:45:38,640 --> 01:45:41,240
Speaker 2: she's like playing jazz out there. He's like somebody who's

2304
01:45:41,240 --> 01:45:43,800
Speaker 2: playing one of those like like whack a mole games

2305
01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:46,760
Speaker 2: and is just on top of everything and can make

2306
01:45:46,840 --> 01:45:49,840
Speaker 2: people like like a puppet do what they don't want

2307
01:45:49,880 --> 01:45:54,719
Speaker 2: to do. And now he's adding more intentionality to finishing

2308
01:45:54,760 --> 01:45:58,320
Speaker 2: and looking to set up to do damage. Yeah, dude,

2309
01:45:58,479 --> 01:46:03,360
Speaker 2: striking wise, I mean, he's as historically great as it gets.

2310
01:46:03,479 --> 01:46:06,000
Speaker 2: I mean, this is I mean, is it quite like

2311
01:46:06,040 --> 01:46:08,920
Speaker 2: what Lolmachenko did to boxing, where it's like there's just

2312
01:46:08,960 --> 01:46:10,880
Speaker 2: this whole new style and way to look at it.

2313
01:46:10,880 --> 01:46:12,559
Speaker 2: It might be it might be the version of that

2314
01:46:12,600 --> 01:46:15,240
Speaker 2: what the guys at c KB have done.

2315
01:46:15,520 --> 01:46:17,360
Speaker 1: Yes, I mean he doesn't use Obviously, he's got a

2316
01:46:17,400 --> 01:46:19,439
Speaker 1: different style than Lomachenko and it's a different sports, so

2317
01:46:19,439 --> 01:46:21,320
Speaker 1: there's a lot of differences. So he's not like as

2318
01:46:21,439 --> 01:46:24,200
Speaker 1: angular in that way, although he is pretty fucking angular.

2319
01:46:25,280 --> 01:46:27,640
Speaker 1: But it's more than that. Again, I go back to it,

2320
01:46:27,680 --> 01:46:30,120
Speaker 1: the scrambling of the brains. I'm not going to fight

2321
01:46:30,200 --> 01:46:34,679
Speaker 1: you head on. I'm gonna leave you so confused. You're

2322
01:46:34,760 --> 01:46:37,519
Speaker 1: just gonna be open all the time. It's death by

2323
01:46:37,560 --> 01:46:40,200
Speaker 1: a thousand cuts. And dude, I'm gonna be very clear

2324
01:46:40,200 --> 01:46:44,679
Speaker 1: about this. When you're defending a title at the highest level. Yeah, okay,

2325
01:46:44,760 --> 01:46:46,960
Speaker 1: some of these guys have, you know, better skill sets

2326
01:46:46,960 --> 01:46:49,479
Speaker 1: than others. Dude, Max Holloway might be hittable, but it

2327
01:46:49,520 --> 01:46:52,599
Speaker 1: wasn't just that he got hit. Max Holloway could barely

2328
01:46:52,720 --> 01:46:55,120
Speaker 1: find him. He could barely find him, and he was

2329
01:46:55,160 --> 01:46:57,680
Speaker 1: standing right in front of him basically, you know. And

2330
01:46:57,720 --> 01:46:59,680
Speaker 1: it's sort of a general way of putting it. For

2331
01:47:00,000 --> 01:47:03,240
Speaker 1: twenty five minutes, it's fucking remarkable what he can do.

2332
01:47:03,439 --> 01:47:05,519
Speaker 1: And I just think there should be a lot more

2333
01:47:05,560 --> 01:47:08,240
Speaker 1: praise for his striking abilities, and there is already a lot,

2334
01:47:08,520 --> 01:47:11,599
Speaker 1: but still, I still he is gonna he already has,

2335
01:47:12,120 --> 01:47:14,960
Speaker 1: but people like him are going to change MMA. MMA

2336
01:47:15,000 --> 01:47:18,400
Speaker 1: will be different by virtue of what they did during

2337
01:47:18,439 --> 01:47:20,320
Speaker 1: their time here. And you can't say that about a

2338
01:47:20,360 --> 01:47:21,240
Speaker 1: lot of fighters.

2339
01:47:22,040 --> 01:47:24,360
Speaker 2: Well said Luke Varry said your number.

2340
01:47:24,120 --> 01:47:27,000
Speaker 1: One choice, my friend, who you got? Who's your number

2341
01:47:27,040 --> 01:47:29,479
Speaker 1: one favorite striker to watch? Right now?

2342
01:47:29,720 --> 01:47:32,559
Speaker 2: Okay? It's really challenged myself with this answer because in

2343
01:47:32,640 --> 01:47:35,719
Speaker 2: some ways, although not exclusive, this could be like asking

2344
01:47:35,760 --> 01:47:38,360
Speaker 2: who's your favorite fighter to watch? Is the one I'm

2345
01:47:38,360 --> 01:47:41,000
Speaker 2: going to reveal right now? Do I mention him among

2346
01:47:41,000 --> 01:47:43,000
Speaker 2: my favorite fighters? Not normally? But I really want to

2347
01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:45,599
Speaker 2: ask myself, like, who's the guy whether you're killing time

2348
01:47:45,640 --> 01:47:47,040
Speaker 2: and you go on UFC Fight Pass and you just

2349
01:47:47,080 --> 01:47:50,120
Speaker 2: want to be entertained, or when you hear his next fight,

2350
01:47:50,240 --> 01:47:52,720
Speaker 2: you get, oh god, I want to see that. It's

2351
01:47:52,720 --> 01:47:55,559
Speaker 2: easy for an all action fighter to make this number

2352
01:47:55,640 --> 01:47:58,800
Speaker 2: one spot just for being all action alone, and there

2353
01:47:58,840 --> 01:48:01,600
Speaker 2: is probably no better all action fighter right now and

2354
01:48:01,680 --> 01:48:04,760
Speaker 2: my current UFC fandom along with what we do journalistically,

2355
01:48:05,439 --> 01:48:08,280
Speaker 2: then the highlight, how about that for the perfect nickname?

2356
01:48:08,479 --> 01:48:13,639
Speaker 2: Justin Gaechee? If it was only big slug or take

2357
01:48:13,680 --> 01:48:19,479
Speaker 2: big damage and make amazingly aggressively fun, all Fight of

2358
01:48:19,479 --> 01:48:22,559
Speaker 2: the Year fights. Again, he could still populate this number

2359
01:48:22,600 --> 01:48:24,880
Speaker 2: one and no one's gonna no one's gonna complain. But

2360
01:48:25,320 --> 01:48:28,799
Speaker 2: that evolution again with Trevor Whitman, although it's now failed

2361
01:48:28,800 --> 01:48:31,280
Speaker 2: at the title level twice. I get that. But that

2362
01:48:31,400 --> 01:48:35,200
Speaker 2: evolution to going pound for pound, I mean, he was

2363
01:48:35,680 --> 01:48:37,800
Speaker 2: you know, there's questions, don't forget this question, A lot

2364
01:48:37,800 --> 01:48:39,759
Speaker 2: of questions when he came over from World Series of Fighting,

2365
01:48:39,800 --> 01:48:41,639
Speaker 2: you know, can you do that on this level? Can

2366
01:48:41,720 --> 01:48:43,080
Speaker 2: you know? And there were a lot of people saying, watch,

2367
01:48:43,080 --> 01:48:45,960
Speaker 2: he's gonna make crazy, insane fights. That's all he was

2368
01:48:46,000 --> 01:48:48,599
Speaker 2: committed to. But to make that adjustment to now the

2369
01:48:48,640 --> 01:48:51,800
Speaker 2: title slash, I actually had him in my top ten

2370
01:48:51,960 --> 01:48:55,080
Speaker 2: pound for pound. It's because he was able to tone

2371
01:48:55,120 --> 01:48:58,760
Speaker 2: down the violence just enough to craft and disguise it better.

2372
01:48:59,479 --> 01:49:02,680
Speaker 2: But he's fill through with everything he had in creative,

2373
01:49:02,800 --> 01:49:07,560
Speaker 2: aggressive ways that not only are you there for the carnage, absolutely,

2374
01:49:07,640 --> 01:49:11,760
Speaker 2: but the craft is dynamic. And I wasn't enough to

2375
01:49:12,040 --> 01:49:14,120
Speaker 2: overcome the top of the division as we found that.

2376
01:49:14,439 --> 01:49:16,759
Speaker 2: He's not a complete fighter on the same level across

2377
01:49:16,800 --> 01:49:19,920
Speaker 2: the board by any means. But he'll die knowing he

2378
01:49:20,000 --> 01:49:22,960
Speaker 2: was maybe one kick away from putting the greatest fighter

2379
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:26,040
Speaker 2: of his time in peril. And I'll know Luke that

2380
01:49:26,200 --> 01:49:27,479
Speaker 2: when it comes down to it at the end of

2381
01:49:27,479 --> 01:49:29,040
Speaker 2: the day. Yeah, I guess I am. I'm a Justin

2382
01:49:29,080 --> 01:49:31,759
Speaker 2: Gachee superfan, just like all the rest of you, because

2383
01:49:31,800 --> 01:49:35,320
Speaker 2: he frickin delivers and what he's done with his tools

2384
01:49:36,200 --> 01:49:40,840
Speaker 2: to craft them in this second chapter, damn. I mean

2385
01:49:40,880 --> 01:49:42,360
Speaker 2: I could have put Michael Chandler here, I could have

2386
01:49:42,400 --> 01:49:45,320
Speaker 2: put anybody that entertains me on that level. But I

2387
01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:49,320
Speaker 2: also love the highlights craft and that's why he's my

2388
01:49:49,439 --> 01:49:53,200
Speaker 2: number one. He's fighting. Don't hold my calls, Okay, Luke,

2389
01:49:53,720 --> 01:49:54,679
Speaker 2: hold my calls.

2390
01:49:54,880 --> 01:49:58,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's pretty hard to beat. He's pretty hard to beat.

2391
01:49:58,080 --> 01:50:01,920
Speaker 1: Justin Gaechee is, and you know, obviously, you know, I

2392
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:03,680
Speaker 1: don't know. People kind of think of him as like, hey,

2393
01:50:03,720 --> 01:50:05,280
Speaker 1: he has the wrestling background, not that he's a wrestler,

2394
01:50:05,320 --> 01:50:07,360
Speaker 1: he's the anti wrestler, but they think of him just

2395
01:50:07,400 --> 01:50:11,640
Speaker 1: as entertainment. They think of him just as like brawler.

2396
01:50:12,040 --> 01:50:15,080
Speaker 1: But dude, the way the performance he turned in against

2397
01:50:15,080 --> 01:50:18,920
Speaker 1: Tony Ferguson to me was you know, not just devastating,

2398
01:50:19,000 --> 01:50:21,679
Speaker 1: but epic. But even before that, like the leg kicks

2399
01:50:21,680 --> 01:50:23,960
Speaker 1: in short range that he throws, like where he can

2400
01:50:24,000 --> 01:50:25,439
Speaker 1: put a hand on your shoulder and then he'll leg

2401
01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:28,720
Speaker 1: kick you right there. It's innovative, devastating stuff, and it's

2402
01:50:28,760 --> 01:50:32,200
Speaker 1: also a killer be killed style. So I love that.

2403
01:50:32,280 --> 01:50:34,240
Speaker 1: I love the guys who bring a little bit of smarts,

2404
01:50:34,280 --> 01:50:36,320
Speaker 1: a little bit of you know, they definitely work on

2405
01:50:36,360 --> 01:50:37,920
Speaker 1: their craft. But then at the end of the day,

2406
01:50:38,280 --> 01:50:40,920
Speaker 1: I'm gonna marry that with the most blood and guts

2407
01:50:40,960 --> 01:50:45,720
Speaker 1: attitude you've ever fucking seen. That's that's justin Gaegee, and

2408
01:50:45,760 --> 01:50:50,879
Speaker 1: that's that's why people love him, no doubt about it. Helly, Yeah,

2409
01:50:50,920 --> 01:50:53,000
Speaker 1: all right, I'm gonna go for a very different direction.

2410
01:50:53,040 --> 01:50:54,479
Speaker 1: I think most folks who know me probably know what

2411
01:50:54,479 --> 01:50:56,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, which given his last performance, people didn't

2412
01:50:56,760 --> 01:50:58,519
Speaker 1: like it. You know, I'm gonna get shipped for it,

2413
01:50:58,560 --> 01:50:59,840
Speaker 1: but I really don't give a fuck because I think

2414
01:50:59,840 --> 01:51:02,080
Speaker 1: it's body of work is just beyond remarkable. My number

2415
01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:05,160
Speaker 1: one choice is very easy. Israel A de Sonya is

2416
01:51:05,560 --> 01:51:08,160
Speaker 1: my number one striker to watch right now, and I understand,

2417
01:51:08,200 --> 01:51:10,559
Speaker 1: I understand everyone out there is going to be like

2418
01:51:10,600 --> 01:51:13,479
Speaker 1: I didn't like his last performance, He's bory. Listen, this

2419
01:51:13,560 --> 01:51:16,839
Speaker 1: is just my list. As we say about our rifles

2420
01:51:16,840 --> 01:51:19,479
Speaker 1: in the Marine Corps, there are many like them. This

2421
01:51:19,520 --> 01:51:22,280
Speaker 1: one is mine. I'm not telling you what you have

2422
01:51:22,360 --> 01:51:25,240
Speaker 1: to have on your list, but for me, yeah, was

2423
01:51:25,240 --> 01:51:27,760
Speaker 1: his last performance the most thrilling I've seen. No, it

2424
01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:30,759
Speaker 1: was not pretty, far from it. But in the total

2425
01:51:30,840 --> 01:51:35,000
Speaker 1: body of work, no one has shown me more about

2426
01:51:35,040 --> 01:51:39,280
Speaker 1: the science of striking than him. He has been. If

2427
01:51:39,320 --> 01:51:43,120
Speaker 1: you want to really understand MMA's striking again, who is

2428
01:51:43,320 --> 01:51:45,800
Speaker 1: changing it, who's at the front of it, why things work,

2429
01:51:45,840 --> 01:51:48,920
Speaker 1: why things don't, and how effective it can be? Undefeated

2430
01:51:48,920 --> 01:51:52,920
Speaker 1: at middleweight, multiple contenders now getting multiple chances, and they

2431
01:51:53,000 --> 01:51:56,800
Speaker 1: still can't do shit to him. This is this is

2432
01:51:56,880 --> 01:52:00,240
Speaker 1: the guy, This is the king to me and to

2433
01:52:00,280 --> 01:52:03,719
Speaker 1: be made here. Obviously Kamara was winning the fight against Leon,

2434
01:52:03,800 --> 01:52:06,479
Speaker 1: but you can see that in short windows he can

2435
01:52:06,520 --> 01:52:09,160
Speaker 1: still be hit, right, he got finished off, Dude, This

2436
01:52:09,240 --> 01:52:11,040
Speaker 1: guy is he. Whatever you want to say about the

2437
01:52:11,120 --> 01:52:13,800
Speaker 1: lack of offensive urgency at times in the later chapter

2438
01:52:13,840 --> 01:52:16,439
Speaker 1: of his career at this point, fine make your argument,

2439
01:52:16,520 --> 01:52:21,200
Speaker 1: but they still can't lay a fucking glove on him defensively.

2440
01:52:21,280 --> 01:52:26,200
Speaker 1: Sound again, his body of work offensively is remarkable, and

2441
01:52:26,920 --> 01:52:32,800
Speaker 1: I have gotten more joy, more information, more insight, just

2442
01:52:32,960 --> 01:52:36,760
Speaker 1: more clarity about what is happening in Mma striking by

2443
01:52:36,800 --> 01:52:40,679
Speaker 1: watching him than virtually anybody else. I couldn't imagine another choice.

2444
01:52:40,680 --> 01:52:41,920
Speaker 1: And by the way, I want to make a point,

2445
01:52:42,280 --> 01:52:43,720
Speaker 1: there's a lot of other guys you could have put

2446
01:52:43,760 --> 01:52:47,679
Speaker 1: on this list, like Charles Lavera, Jorge masvidoal WonderBoy, whatever.

2447
01:52:47,800 --> 01:52:50,320
Speaker 1: Make your list, let us know what we missed. But

2448
01:52:50,520 --> 01:52:52,600
Speaker 1: for me and for what I'm looking for and the

2449
01:52:52,680 --> 01:52:55,439
Speaker 1: kinds of things that matter to me, I could not

2450
01:52:55,560 --> 01:52:59,360
Speaker 1: imagine putting anyone else at number one right now except Izzy.

2451
01:52:59,479 --> 01:53:00,880
Speaker 1: He's my top you.

2452
01:53:00,880 --> 01:53:02,920
Speaker 2: Said, the things that matter to you and the kind

2453
01:53:02,920 --> 01:53:04,479
Speaker 2: of things you like. That's why I had two women

2454
01:53:04,520 --> 01:53:07,120
Speaker 2: in my top seven. Luke, okay, right at the end

2455
01:53:07,160 --> 01:53:10,040
Speaker 2: of the day, No look here, Yeah, this is a

2456
01:53:10,080 --> 01:53:13,000
Speaker 2: no brainer, even for my list. He should have shown

2457
01:53:13,080 --> 01:53:15,000
Speaker 2: up some here and he's right there on the outside looking.

2458
01:53:15,040 --> 01:53:18,200
Speaker 2: And I've always loved and respected his game. Whether like

2459
01:53:18,240 --> 01:53:21,160
Speaker 2: you said, he's whether it fits your entertainment palette for

2460
01:53:21,160 --> 01:53:23,160
Speaker 2: that moment, it's for him. It's not about that, and

2461
01:53:23,200 --> 01:53:25,080
Speaker 2: the fact that it's not it's probably going to allow

2462
01:53:25,120 --> 01:53:27,639
Speaker 2: him to go even further than trying to please everybody

2463
01:53:27,640 --> 01:53:30,639
Speaker 2: with performances like I was lucky enough to be ringside

2464
01:53:30,640 --> 01:53:33,479
Speaker 2: for their cage side in the Kelvin Gastolon one. But

2465
01:53:34,160 --> 01:53:37,240
Speaker 2: you know, Luke, what I love about, you know, sitting

2466
01:53:37,280 --> 01:53:39,400
Speaker 2: in the eighth row on Delta and throwing on UFC

2467
01:53:39,439 --> 01:53:40,760
Speaker 2: Fight Pass and going, oh, who am I going to

2468
01:53:40,840 --> 01:53:44,960
Speaker 2: watch tonight? They always start the fight when you click

2469
01:53:45,000 --> 01:53:47,559
Speaker 2: on the man there with the video package that was

2470
01:53:47,640 --> 01:53:49,800
Speaker 2: leading in in the broadcast, So it's always Joe Rogan,

2471
01:53:50,040 --> 01:53:53,479
Speaker 2: and it's always at his most like not obnoxious, but

2472
01:53:53,600 --> 01:53:57,800
Speaker 2: like salesman extra level. You'll be like Robbie Lawler still

2473
01:53:57,840 --> 01:54:00,639
Speaker 2: to this day, one of the most dangerous and entertaining

2474
01:54:00,720 --> 01:54:04,719
Speaker 2: strikers who's ever stepped foot on planet Earth. You're like, well, yeah,

2475
01:54:04,800 --> 01:54:06,960
Speaker 2: I mean through twenty sixteen, sure, Joe, but it's like,

2476
01:54:07,040 --> 01:54:10,040
Speaker 2: you know, it's twenty twenty twenty two now. But when

2477
01:54:10,080 --> 01:54:12,400
Speaker 2: he opens those and is like ants Sonia might be

2478
01:54:12,439 --> 01:54:15,800
Speaker 2: the most dynamic and creative striker this sport has ever seen.

2479
01:54:17,080 --> 01:54:20,559
Speaker 2: He's actually right, So yeah, number one number one with

2480
01:54:20,560 --> 01:54:23,679
Speaker 2: a bullet watching this guy ply that craft and knowing

2481
01:54:23,720 --> 01:54:26,000
Speaker 2: what he is capable of. By the way, if you

2482
01:54:26,080 --> 01:54:28,040
Speaker 2: press him and make him bring that out of him.

2483
01:54:28,880 --> 01:54:31,000
Speaker 2: The times that that's happened, it's been fun to watch.

2484
01:54:32,200 --> 01:54:34,080
Speaker 2: I mean, I'd love to redo on that Romero fight.

2485
01:54:34,120 --> 01:54:36,280
Speaker 2: I wish that never happened, Luke. But you know it

2486
01:54:36,360 --> 01:54:38,960
Speaker 2: can't be perfect. Not all the paintings can be perfect.

2487
01:54:39,000 --> 01:54:41,680
Speaker 2: We've seen that so far on my on my easel, Luke.

2488
01:54:41,760 --> 01:54:46,240
Speaker 1: Okay, I understand, I understand, all right, I have to

2489
01:54:46,280 --> 01:54:48,600
Speaker 1: piss badly, So why don't we do the next topic

2490
01:54:48,680 --> 01:54:51,920
Speaker 1: because I'm I'm about to I'm about to just have

2491
01:54:51,960 --> 01:54:52,800
Speaker 1: an accident here.

2492
01:54:53,200 --> 01:54:55,000
Speaker 2: Okay, why don't you urinate and I'll set up the

2493
01:54:55,040 --> 01:54:58,960
Speaker 2: final segment. All right, it's been a while since we've

2494
01:54:58,960 --> 01:55:00,640
Speaker 2: done this. I don't if we can do them all.

2495
01:55:00,640 --> 01:55:02,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if we have that time. But here

2496
01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:04,840
Speaker 2: we go. Morningcombat at gmail dot com. Every week is

2497
01:55:04,880 --> 01:55:07,800
Speaker 2: your chance to reach out and touch somebody, mostly Mikey Morms,

2498
01:55:07,840 --> 01:55:11,760
Speaker 2: our producer, with your Wednesday fansubbs, with your Friday dead wrongs.

2499
01:55:11,760 --> 01:55:13,480
Speaker 2: We haven't read them. This is a BC and Luke

2500
01:55:13,560 --> 01:55:16,600
Speaker 2: only thing. But we're back today to hear from our fans,

2501
01:55:16,600 --> 01:55:20,200
Speaker 2: from our people, in a segment we like to call

2502
01:55:21,280 --> 01:55:29,120
Speaker 2: fan submissions. You've got mail, We've got males viewers, and

2503
01:55:29,240 --> 01:55:33,200
Speaker 2: a lot of these male viewers, thank you very much.

2504
01:55:33,760 --> 01:55:35,440
Speaker 2: By the way, Mikey, I got to call you out live.

2505
01:55:35,680 --> 01:55:39,680
Speaker 2: David Appleton says, you've been rejecting his submissions like mutumbo lately.

2506
01:55:39,720 --> 01:55:41,920
Speaker 2: I can only imagine the nudity in these that you

2507
01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:44,440
Speaker 2: needed to tone down. But shout out to Appy over

2508
01:55:44,440 --> 01:55:47,840
Speaker 2: there in France. Uh, you know, doing doing doing the

2509
01:55:47,920 --> 01:55:50,560
Speaker 2: lord's work there in terms of in terms of creatively

2510
01:55:50,640 --> 01:55:53,000
Speaker 2: with with MK. Not what he's doing in his personal

2511
01:55:53,040 --> 01:55:57,000
Speaker 2: time with the students, that's really on him. But Luke

2512
01:55:57,080 --> 01:55:58,920
Speaker 2: finishing up here. I think I heard a zipper.

2513
01:56:00,680 --> 01:56:01,000
Speaker 1: Too bad.

2514
01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:03,480
Speaker 2: We couldn't have had a naked gun. Leslie Nielsen moment

2515
01:56:04,200 --> 01:56:06,520
Speaker 2: probably be gross. We probably rethink the way we look

2516
01:56:06,560 --> 01:56:10,240
Speaker 2: at Luke or think about him hygienetically. But uh yeah,

2517
01:56:10,360 --> 01:56:12,240
Speaker 2: I'm sure we all have our own assumptions though. To

2518
01:56:12,280 --> 01:56:16,800
Speaker 2: be fair, right me, he's you know, yeah, all right,

2519
01:56:17,280 --> 01:56:21,720
Speaker 2: We're gonna kick off with Charles h He's from Hawaii.

2520
01:56:22,480 --> 01:56:26,400
Speaker 2: Aloha Charles to you and yours. He says, My girlfriend

2521
01:56:26,560 --> 01:56:29,839
Speaker 2: Brie and I run the family business Briann and Company

2522
01:56:29,920 --> 01:56:36,560
Speaker 2: jewelry boutique in Kawawi Kwie Maui, Wowie Kwi Kawhi Kawhi. Leonard.

2523
01:56:36,960 --> 01:56:39,240
Speaker 2: I told her I'd agree to selling her handmade, fine

2524
01:56:39,280 --> 01:56:43,640
Speaker 2: jewelry under two conditions. One I could watch sports on Saturdays,

2525
01:56:43,760 --> 01:56:46,800
Speaker 2: meaning football, boxing and MMA, and two I could listen

2526
01:56:46,840 --> 01:56:51,120
Speaker 2: to Morning Combat in between customers. Once customers are happy

2527
01:56:51,160 --> 01:56:55,000
Speaker 2: and the store is restocked, it's back to watching you

2528
01:56:55,400 --> 01:56:59,680
Speaker 2: washed walking. Midlife crisis is give a fuck to give

2529
01:56:59,720 --> 01:57:01,920
Speaker 2: fuck up on camera. Thanks for all your hard work

2530
01:57:01,960 --> 01:57:06,560
Speaker 2: A donk like me and the millions around the world appreciated. Uh,

2531
01:57:06,720 --> 01:57:09,920
Speaker 2: take care, Charles and ps I thought of a cool

2532
01:57:09,960 --> 01:57:13,720
Speaker 2: drinking game. We all we will watch BC's feces and

2533
01:57:13,760 --> 01:57:16,640
Speaker 2: take a drink every time Brian says Luke, and every

2534
01:57:16,720 --> 01:57:20,200
Speaker 2: time he says wow, I think we're gonna get shit faced. Luke.

2535
01:57:20,280 --> 01:57:22,520
Speaker 2: This is a Charles from Hawaii. Him and his wife

2536
01:57:22,560 --> 01:57:25,840
Speaker 2: own a jewelry store and he's allowed to watch our

2537
01:57:25,880 --> 01:57:28,840
Speaker 2: show in the shop. I mean there's also no customers here, Charles,

2538
01:57:28,840 --> 01:57:30,280
Speaker 2: So you know you're not really doing you know, you know,

2539
01:57:30,320 --> 01:57:31,000
Speaker 2: not martyr here.

2540
01:57:31,040 --> 01:57:34,600
Speaker 1: Okay, you know you could patronage, but yeah, I mean

2541
01:57:34,680 --> 01:57:37,960
Speaker 1: less MK, more, more sales, more guys flipping signs on

2542
01:57:38,000 --> 01:57:38,720
Speaker 1: the street corner.

2543
01:57:39,520 --> 01:57:42,280
Speaker 2: We do appreciate his wife's support of our product as well.

2544
01:57:42,360 --> 01:57:44,480
Speaker 2: We don't really have too many female viewers. Let's go

2545
01:57:44,480 --> 01:57:47,480
Speaker 2: over to Jason S. So it goes hope it goes well.

2546
01:57:47,520 --> 01:57:49,600
Speaker 2: He says, a Cabby tried to rob me with a

2547
01:57:49,640 --> 01:57:51,720
Speaker 2: knife and I hit him in the head with a

2548
01:57:51,760 --> 01:57:55,160
Speaker 2: mini bat. I'm in jail. Felt cute. Might delete later,

2549
01:57:56,480 --> 01:57:57,680
Speaker 2: laugh my ass off.

2550
01:57:59,240 --> 01:58:03,080
Speaker 1: Okay, that's not true. Well, although he's wearing the hoodie,

2551
01:58:03,080 --> 01:58:04,840
Speaker 1: I see the look I'll give him.

2552
01:58:04,720 --> 01:58:07,240
Speaker 2: Cra if you're going to commit a felony, the MK

2553
01:58:07,400 --> 01:58:10,040
Speaker 2: will keep you, will keep you comfortable. Okay. So I

2554
01:58:10,080 --> 01:58:11,680
Speaker 2: don't know if that happen or if it's true. But

2555
01:58:11,920 --> 01:58:13,360
Speaker 2: his boys representing.

2556
01:58:12,960 --> 01:58:15,400
Speaker 1: Luke Okay, yeah, I don't know what happened to the eyebrows,

2557
01:58:15,400 --> 01:58:17,960
Speaker 1: but I also don't know what's cool, so it could

2558
01:58:17,960 --> 01:58:18,360
Speaker 1: be the thing.

2559
01:58:18,680 --> 01:58:20,960
Speaker 2: Look, if I see J Paul wearing it, I'll know

2560
01:58:21,080 --> 01:58:24,320
Speaker 2: it's it's arrived, all right. Fair shout out to Jason

2561
01:58:24,480 --> 01:58:26,280
Speaker 2: S and his buddy there. Let's keep it going. From

2562
01:58:26,400 --> 01:58:29,680
Speaker 2: JB Jopah, greetings to the whole m K team. I

2563
01:58:29,760 --> 01:58:32,160
Speaker 2: have one fan sub and I should say to Mikey

2564
01:58:32,440 --> 01:58:35,360
Speaker 2: that BC did preapprove myself. This is true, Mikey, I

2565
01:58:35,400 --> 01:58:38,040
Speaker 2: went over your authority. It is a drawing of Alex

2566
01:58:38,080 --> 01:58:42,560
Speaker 2: Padda by my wonderful friend. Her name is Anna Vita Leek.

2567
01:58:42,640 --> 01:58:44,160
Speaker 2: The see in her last name is pronounced the same

2568
01:58:44,200 --> 01:58:48,840
Speaker 2: way you would say Miocic Anna Vita Leitch, just like

2569
01:58:48,960 --> 01:58:52,200
Speaker 2: me and Miochi's parents from wonderful Croatia. I just want

2570
01:58:52,200 --> 01:58:54,160
Speaker 2: to let the MMA community see this great work of

2571
01:58:54,160 --> 01:58:58,840
Speaker 2: our much love. It's jb JP's friend Luke. She can,

2572
01:58:58,960 --> 01:59:00,880
Speaker 2: she can, she can work. That are right?

2573
01:59:01,120 --> 01:59:02,880
Speaker 1: Not bad. He looks a little bit more like the

2574
01:59:02,920 --> 01:59:04,240
Speaker 1: coneheads we are from France.

2575
01:59:04,320 --> 01:59:08,480
Speaker 2: But mister Hebas, sorry, mister Hebas.

2576
01:59:08,080 --> 01:59:10,680
Speaker 1: I'm teasing. I'm teasing. It's very good. It's very good.

2577
01:59:11,440 --> 01:59:14,000
Speaker 2: That was his friend Anna from Croatia. Shout out there.

2578
01:59:14,040 --> 01:59:16,920
Speaker 2: Hopefully Steepe can get back on track. Luke or crow

2579
01:59:17,000 --> 01:59:21,240
Speaker 2: cop or something. I don't know, right, yep uh the

2580
01:59:21,320 --> 01:59:24,760
Speaker 2: late Drasen Petrovitz respect on that name. I also don't

2581
01:59:24,760 --> 01:59:27,240
Speaker 2: we have that guy Joe peck Berup, that guy, that

2582
01:59:27,320 --> 01:59:29,400
Speaker 2: my guy, my guy. I butchered his name that guy

2583
01:59:29,440 --> 01:59:33,320
Speaker 2: also representing Croatia, Connor says, hey guys, my wife and

2584
01:59:33,320 --> 01:59:35,920
Speaker 2: I had identical twin boys a few weeks ago, so

2585
01:59:35,920 --> 01:59:38,160
Speaker 2: now I'm a wash dad like you. They were born

2586
01:59:38,160 --> 01:59:42,080
Speaker 2: too much premature two months and weighed three and four pounds,

2587
01:59:42,600 --> 01:59:45,480
Speaker 2: but are doing very well. Also, my wife's family is

2588
01:59:45,520 --> 01:59:48,000
Speaker 2: a tradition where they get each other a push gift.

2589
01:59:48,240 --> 01:59:50,000
Speaker 2: My wife's been giving me crap about not giving her

2590
01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:52,800
Speaker 2: a push gift. Luke, I give her two kids, right thought.

2591
01:59:52,840 --> 01:59:55,240
Speaker 2: I thought I got her a gold chain with our

2592
01:59:55,240 --> 01:59:57,320
Speaker 2: twin boys initials on it, and she got me my

2593
01:59:57,440 --> 02:00:00,320
Speaker 2: favorite podcast merch. I think we know who who won

2594
02:00:00,440 --> 02:00:02,960
Speaker 2: that her ten eight. She may have got the wrong

2595
02:00:03,000 --> 02:00:05,000
Speaker 2: size and it may look like I'm wearing a sh medium,

2596
02:00:06,120 --> 02:00:07,720
Speaker 2: but I guess she thought I was built like a

2597
02:00:07,800 --> 02:00:10,680
Speaker 2: dirt road and had no shoulders. Anyways, the shirt's awesome.

2598
02:00:12,240 --> 02:00:16,080
Speaker 2: Say hi to your youngest of fans from Canada. Also,

2599
02:00:16,120 --> 02:00:19,080
Speaker 2: I fixed my cable management thanks to Luke's constant ridiculing.

2600
02:00:19,360 --> 02:00:21,080
Speaker 2: And my dog his name is Nacho.

2601
02:00:22,120 --> 02:00:24,040
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, he's got a great family, had

2602
02:00:24,040 --> 02:00:26,800
Speaker 1: a nice little home gym there, and these these two

2603
02:00:26,840 --> 02:00:30,520
Speaker 1: little ones tan Lindos. They are very I'm very happy

2604
02:00:30,560 --> 02:00:32,840
Speaker 1: to hear that their story is ultimately a very positive one.

2605
02:00:32,880 --> 02:00:33,680
Speaker 1: So that's awesome.

2606
02:00:34,760 --> 02:00:38,320
Speaker 2: Let's do a shout out to Joba. I know JB Jopa.

2607
02:00:38,360 --> 02:00:40,480
Speaker 2: I know the people always say, Luke, you know, ah,

2608
02:00:40,520 --> 02:00:42,400
Speaker 2: you've been through something, BC by what I went through

2609
02:00:42,440 --> 02:00:45,760
Speaker 2: wasn't as much. No, you go through stuff. One day

2610
02:00:45,880 --> 02:00:48,160
Speaker 2: is equal to a thousand years. You understand it. You

2611
02:00:48,200 --> 02:00:50,440
Speaker 2: guys are fighters. I appreciate that. Let's close. We'll do

2612
02:00:50,520 --> 02:00:52,400
Speaker 2: one more hair loop. Will catch up next week with

2613
02:00:52,440 --> 02:00:55,680
Speaker 2: the others from Kimberly. She says, Hi, Luke, and oh

2614
02:00:55,760 --> 02:00:58,160
Speaker 2: yeah to b C. Here's a couple shots from Cheetos

2615
02:00:58,160 --> 02:01:02,560
Speaker 2: event in San Diego. Baby brother, who is deeply embarrassed

2616
02:01:02,560 --> 02:01:04,240
Speaker 2: of me, yet was the one who got me into

2617
02:01:04,320 --> 02:01:06,480
Speaker 2: M M A and MK in the first place, refused

2618
02:01:06,520 --> 02:01:09,080
Speaker 2: to take my photo until after the fights, so please

2619
02:01:09,120 --> 02:01:13,360
Speaker 2: excuse my sweaty and disheveled appearance. Absolutely love you guys,

2620
02:01:13,360 --> 02:01:14,880
Speaker 2: but I would be remiss if I didn't mention how

2621
02:01:14,960 --> 02:01:18,040
Speaker 2: upset my brother still is that you never discuss tension

2622
02:01:18,160 --> 02:01:19,800
Speaker 2: versus to Caeru.

2623
02:01:20,360 --> 02:01:22,480
Speaker 1: Yeah we didn't. We don't do a whole lot of

2624
02:01:22,520 --> 02:01:24,840
Speaker 1: kickboxing on this I gotta say. We don't think we

2625
02:01:24,920 --> 02:01:27,040
Speaker 1: have female fans, but they do exist.

2626
02:01:27,600 --> 02:01:30,560
Speaker 2: She says, Also, Luke, don't be harsh on my tattoos.

2627
02:01:30,640 --> 02:01:34,000
Speaker 2: The crow is technically unfinished, and my uterous snake is

2628
02:01:34,200 --> 02:01:36,320
Speaker 2: very fresh and peeling. Did I just read that?

2629
02:01:37,280 --> 02:01:38,080
Speaker 1: Oh?

2630
02:01:37,480 --> 02:01:41,120
Speaker 2: I hope you guys do a live show in Vegas

2631
02:01:41,240 --> 02:01:44,320
Speaker 2: for Nate Hamza. I'll skip the concert that I'm supposed

2632
02:01:44,360 --> 02:01:46,960
Speaker 2: to go to and I'll go to yours. Oh, my love,

2633
02:01:47,000 --> 02:01:49,280
Speaker 2: it's Kimmy and her brother's name is Kai. If we

2634
02:01:49,320 --> 02:01:50,600
Speaker 2: want to shout him out, Yo Kai?

2635
02:01:51,320 --> 02:01:55,360
Speaker 1: Right, Kai, who is the main villain in Kung Fu

2636
02:01:55,400 --> 02:01:56,920
Speaker 1: Panda three, which my daughter loves.

2637
02:01:57,440 --> 02:01:59,880
Speaker 2: All right, shout out, shout out there, Luke. Mikey wants

2638
02:01:59,920 --> 02:02:01,880
Speaker 2: to keep going, but I'm sweating bullets hair. We may

2639
02:02:01,920 --> 02:02:03,320
Speaker 2: have to call an end of the show, all right.

2640
02:02:04,880 --> 02:02:06,560
Speaker 1: As hot as balls down there? Your call, your call.

2641
02:02:06,600 --> 02:02:07,440
Speaker 1: I can keep going or not.

2642
02:02:08,200 --> 02:02:11,240
Speaker 2: I mean, two hours and five minutes. Is that enough? Mikey?

2643
02:02:11,240 --> 02:02:12,960
Speaker 2: You tell me you want me to read another one? Mikey,

2644
02:02:13,000 --> 02:02:15,440
Speaker 2: which one? Let's bang here? This might be the best

2645
02:02:15,440 --> 02:02:17,880
Speaker 2: one ever. You can't let that go. You can't miss that.

2646
02:02:17,880 --> 02:02:21,080
Speaker 1: Right, he says, They get this one all right.

2647
02:02:21,120 --> 02:02:23,400
Speaker 2: You know we love our fans. Here we go, Luke Sawool,

2648
02:02:23,560 --> 02:02:26,080
Speaker 2: not the guy Anthony that I thought was Saoul, the

2649
02:02:26,120 --> 02:02:28,960
Speaker 2: real one, he says, took the wife out for mid

2650
02:02:29,000 --> 02:02:31,520
Speaker 2: tier Mexican on a beautiful day. She suggested as a

2651
02:02:31,640 --> 02:02:34,480
Speaker 2: joke to wear matching shirts. But this was no joke

2652
02:02:34,560 --> 02:02:37,360
Speaker 2: for me. I knew exactly which pair we would wear

2653
02:02:38,000 --> 02:02:41,040
Speaker 2: MK all day, nearly every day. Did they wear the

2654
02:02:41,040 --> 02:02:42,920
Speaker 2: same shirt at that?

2655
02:02:44,200 --> 02:02:48,880
Speaker 1: You got the lomo, you got the bogito, you got

2656
02:02:48,880 --> 02:02:51,480
Speaker 1: the camera on as you got the whole bit up

2657
02:02:51,480 --> 02:02:52,680
Speaker 1: in this motherfucker.

2658
02:02:52,640 --> 02:02:54,960
Speaker 2: Sweat erl Yeah, you got.

2659
02:02:55,440 --> 02:02:57,520
Speaker 1: I see you, motherfucker. I know you've been dying to

2660
02:02:57,560 --> 02:02:57,840
Speaker 1: do that.

2661
02:02:58,600 --> 02:03:01,520
Speaker 2: Luke there and well in the neighborhood. I mean, if

2662
02:03:01,560 --> 02:03:03,760
Speaker 2: my wife let me release a photo of her eating,

2663
02:03:03,800 --> 02:03:05,360
Speaker 2: I don't know if we'd still be married. But shout

2664
02:03:05,360 --> 02:03:06,080
Speaker 2: out to Southwol.

2665
02:03:06,200 --> 02:03:08,120
Speaker 1: I mean, could you have more beer? I mean, that's

2666
02:03:08,120 --> 02:03:09,800
Speaker 1: just the biggest glass of beer I've ever seen.

2667
02:03:09,840 --> 02:03:12,000
Speaker 2: That's just he's one of our best fans. I love

2668
02:03:12,080 --> 02:03:12,880
Speaker 2: Sawul all right.

2669
02:03:13,000 --> 02:03:14,560
Speaker 1: By the way, I gotta say, this is like the

2670
02:03:14,600 --> 02:03:17,200
Speaker 1: best food to fucking eat. Man, This is it right here.

2671
02:03:17,520 --> 02:03:19,200
Speaker 1: I mean, people like Italian foods is the best, and

2672
02:03:19,240 --> 02:03:22,000
Speaker 1: it's pretty good, but I don't know. Man. A skillet

2673
02:03:22,040 --> 02:03:25,200
Speaker 1: with fucking cooked meat and some wakabui and some beer with.

2674
02:03:25,160 --> 02:03:28,200
Speaker 2: Your beautiful lady dressed in MK. That's a that's a day.

2675
02:03:30,120 --> 02:03:30,400
Speaker 1: Winning.

2676
02:03:30,480 --> 02:03:32,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, Sawel. Thank you to your lovely wife

2677
02:03:32,880 --> 02:03:35,240
Speaker 2: as well. Luke. You know I'm always trying to remind

2678
02:03:35,240 --> 02:03:39,560
Speaker 2: you who JP is. You know Jay Piquette from Mount Uniac,

2679
02:03:39,720 --> 02:03:40,440
Speaker 2: Nova Scotia.

2680
02:03:40,520 --> 02:03:42,320
Speaker 1: You know this guy I don't even know who works

2681
02:03:42,320 --> 02:03:42,800
Speaker 1: on the show.

2682
02:03:43,160 --> 02:03:44,800
Speaker 2: All right, he's got a little bit of web scream

2683
02:03:44,800 --> 02:03:46,840
Speaker 2: in his blood. He's coming for this fan. They here

2684
02:03:46,840 --> 02:03:50,040
Speaker 2: we go. I've been a fan of yours, Luke and

2685
02:03:50,160 --> 02:03:53,400
Speaker 2: MK crew before, since before the MMA beat days, and

2686
02:03:53,440 --> 02:03:55,400
Speaker 2: I've decided to resort back to my birth name of

2687
02:03:55,480 --> 02:03:59,040
Speaker 2: Jason for all future fansubs to help reduce your saltiness

2688
02:03:59,240 --> 02:04:02,280
Speaker 2: towards all things Jay. Like, fuck you, Jay Aaron, You're

2689
02:04:02,360 --> 02:04:05,920
Speaker 2: ruining everything I'm working for. Motherfucker long overdue. It's the

2690
02:04:06,000 --> 02:04:09,440
Speaker 2: Luke Thomas ag one vape product promotion where health and

2691
02:04:09,560 --> 02:04:12,480
Speaker 2: nutrition meets a dirty, old and washed forty year old

2692
02:04:12,560 --> 02:04:15,720
Speaker 2: habit benefits of daily use for less than three dollars

2693
02:04:15,800 --> 02:04:18,080
Speaker 2: a day. I can get the appropriate amount of healthy

2694
02:04:18,160 --> 02:04:22,320
Speaker 2: nutrition to be like j Piquette anyone associated with the

2695
02:04:22,320 --> 02:04:25,480
Speaker 2: same name as Jay. I'm now salty with it because

2696
02:04:25,520 --> 02:04:28,080
Speaker 2: of Jay. Aaron love you guys, keep up the award

2697
02:04:28,080 --> 02:04:29,520
Speaker 2: winning show Fan for Life.

2698
02:04:29,800 --> 02:04:36,080
Speaker 1: Fucking good. That's really good. Blow back up, real quick,

2699
02:04:36,080 --> 02:04:41,080
Speaker 1: blow back up. It says here warning vaping with ag

2700
02:04:41,280 --> 02:04:44,200
Speaker 1: one will not reduce the fact that you're plus forty

2701
02:04:44,240 --> 02:04:47,080
Speaker 1: old and washed. Then thor love and thunder. That is

2702
02:04:47,200 --> 02:04:48,240
Speaker 1: just fucking great.

2703
02:04:48,680 --> 02:04:50,920
Speaker 2: Oh boys, this is the same guy that made the

2704
02:04:51,240 --> 02:04:53,520
Speaker 2: super sloppy graphic for me when I pick out my

2705
02:04:53,560 --> 02:04:56,480
Speaker 2: fight of the week to watch this guy's fantastic shout

2706
02:04:56,480 --> 02:04:59,280
Speaker 2: out to Nova Scotia. Never been there, Luke you Nova

2707
02:04:59,320 --> 02:05:02,800
Speaker 2: Scotia yet not yet mount you Nike. Maybe I don't know,

2708
02:05:02,880 --> 02:05:06,200
Speaker 2: all right, this from Not Not Ruble tell Luke to

2709
02:05:06,240 --> 02:05:14,080
Speaker 2: stop hugging the frame. Oh god, that's brilliant. That is

2710
02:05:14,320 --> 02:05:15,120
Speaker 2: so good.

2711
02:05:15,320 --> 02:05:17,760
Speaker 1: This one, this one made the rounds on MMA Twitter.

2712
02:05:17,800 --> 02:05:19,600
Speaker 1: I got well, I mean everyone was just making fun

2713
02:05:19,600 --> 02:05:20,280
Speaker 1: of the whole scenario.

2714
02:05:20,320 --> 02:05:22,680
Speaker 2: It is so good, dude, that's so good.

2715
02:05:22,960 --> 02:05:24,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, look at that. I mean definitely he was not

2716
02:05:25,160 --> 02:05:28,160
Speaker 1: we were not the same size human. There is that,

2717
02:05:28,480 --> 02:05:30,360
Speaker 1: there is that what could I do? Man? And they

2718
02:05:30,400 --> 02:05:32,600
Speaker 1: always give you the low littlest fucking chair too.

2719
02:05:32,840 --> 02:05:35,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like Andre the Giant on an airplane. Right now,

2720
02:05:35,040 --> 02:05:36,880
Speaker 2: you're like so close to just shitting your pants with

2721
02:05:36,920 --> 02:05:39,680
Speaker 2: a curtain in front of you. Luke. Finally, danger mouse

2722
02:05:39,760 --> 02:05:43,320
Speaker 2: is here. He says, Hey, BC, I guess you've been

2723
02:05:43,400 --> 02:05:45,720
Speaker 2: the real loan Ranger this week. But as I fired

2724
02:05:45,760 --> 02:05:47,880
Speaker 2: shots at you upon your return, it's only fair to

2725
02:05:47,880 --> 02:05:51,040
Speaker 2: do the same to Luke. Not that you're escaping unscathed.

2726
02:05:51,520 --> 02:05:53,280
Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it's summer, but what the hell?

2727
02:05:53,520 --> 02:05:56,080
Speaker 2: I like this template. Plus it's true for you too.

2728
02:05:56,160 --> 02:05:58,000
Speaker 2: Right now, let's see what he's talking about here. First,

2729
02:05:58,000 --> 02:05:58,800
Speaker 2: there's Luke.

2730
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Speaker 1: Were away on vacation again? Oh fuck off everyone, I'm

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Speaker 1: going to do And by the way, can I wear

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Speaker 1: I mean, hold on, go back. I want to point

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Speaker 1: out something. Those aren't my normal shoes that I wear.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I think they gave me like dad

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Speaker 1: shoes in this motherfucker.

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Speaker 2: They're close, Luke, they're close, But you know you did.

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Speaker 2: You took off twelve days during the biggest fight week

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Speaker 2: of the year. Luke that's your preference. You can't be

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Speaker 2: hackled for that.

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Speaker 1: I had to. We had to. We hadn't no choice

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Speaker 1: going to vacation so hot right now. Yes, that's true,

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Speaker 1: very true.

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Speaker 2: And finally, Danger Mouse says you cannot be another you

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Speaker 2: cannot be serious, featuring guest host Chuck Mindenhall. No clever

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Speaker 2: meaning I'm just riffing here.

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Speaker 1: You said only one beer? Yeah you know I did.

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Speaker 1: You know how many beers I drank on vacation. I

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Speaker 1: think like six maybe seven total over the course of

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Speaker 1: all that time. I had one six pack I bought

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Speaker 1: the first day and it lasted the entire time.

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Speaker 2: That was very good from Danger Mouse. Was one of

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Speaker 2: a contender for Donk of the Year. You gotta believe that.

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Speaker 2: By the way, that John mcenrode doc is coming to

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Speaker 2: Showtime soon. We got one more Luke. Apparently my he's

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Speaker 2: got j paqett on here a second time. You know

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Speaker 2: him from Mount Unike. Yeah, I said it at Nova Scotia,

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Speaker 2: he says. At the end of episode three thirty four,

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Speaker 2: Luke reminded BC about getting tattoos if and when Sean

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Speaker 2: Brady wins if we look into the MK crystal Ball

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Speaker 2: after the win at UFC two eighty. What exactly would

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02:07:18,920 --> 02:07:21,520
Speaker 2: the trip to the Philly Tattoo Parlor look like? How

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Speaker 2: about BC going balls deep and all in with the

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Speaker 2: official MK City of Brotherly Love, Tip to tip tattoo

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Speaker 2: of him and Luke keep up the award winning show.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing and we are going to do that. I mean,

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Speaker 1: we got to figure out a way to get showtime

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Speaker 1: to pay.

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Speaker 2: But dude, look at your face and that that's just brilliant.

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Speaker 1: That's Max Holloway interview. That's great. That's really, really, really good.

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Speaker 1: These are good fansubs. I'm impress.

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02:07:46,200 --> 02:07:50,000
Speaker 2: We should hire like people like JP and and web

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02:07:50,080 --> 02:07:52,360
Speaker 2: Scream and do like an MK reality show spin off

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02:07:52,360 --> 02:07:54,800
Speaker 2: where they you know, it's kind of modeled after one

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Speaker 2: Championship Apprentice. Look, we'll bring Shatri in. It'll be great,

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Speaker 2: all right.

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Speaker 1: It'd be great. All Right. I gotta get going because

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02:08:01,920 --> 02:08:04,640
Speaker 1: we gotta fix our ac here and your sweat and bullets.

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02:08:05,320 --> 02:08:07,320
Speaker 2: We're both sweating balls. That's all I got this week.

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Speaker 2: Thanks thanks a lot.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, I hope everyone enjoyed the show. We're

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Speaker 1: caught up. We will be back Friday, so obviously stick

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02:08:13,800 --> 02:08:16,880
Speaker 1: around for that don't miss the Demetrius Johnson sit down

2783
02:08:17,080 --> 02:08:20,160
Speaker 1: BC Chuck Mendenhall. Tons of other good content on the

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Speaker 1: site coming obviously as we return. We got a big,

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02:08:22,720 --> 02:08:26,000
Speaker 1: big fall in winter coming. Man really cannot wait for

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Speaker 1: all of that. So for BC, for CBS Sports, for

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02:08:30,080 --> 02:08:33,440
Speaker 1: Malka for Showtime. You can follow us there on social.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget to vote for us for the World MMA Awards.

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Speaker 1: Don't forget to get those bomber jackets for the Winter

2790
02:08:39,400 --> 02:08:41,840
Speaker 1: Slash the Fall. You know you can vote first right

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02:08:41,880 --> 02:08:43,360
Speaker 1: there as the QR code to take a look at

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Speaker 1: that bad boy, and of course Morningcombat Dot store for

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02:08:46,880 --> 02:08:49,080
Speaker 1: the merch if you want to get a bomber jacket

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02:08:49,080 --> 02:08:52,480
Speaker 1: for you or your loved ones heading into the ag

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02:08:52,640 --> 02:08:54,440
Speaker 1: one flu and cold season. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: All right, that is it for us today. That's b C. I'mlt.

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Speaker 1: Thank you guys so much for watching. We really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to you on Friday, and until then, may

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Speaker 1: all of your gains be loyal